Video: The Uglification Illusion

What’s the ugliest part of your body?
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Here’s your strange, creepy optical illusion of the evening: the “Flashed Face Distortion Effect.”

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More info on this disturbing effect: RESEARCH | MATTHEW B. THOMPSON.

Like many interesting scientific discoveries, this one was an accident. Sean Murphy, an undergraduate student, was working alone in the lab on a set of faces for one of his experiments. He aligned a set of faces at the eyes and started to skim through them. After a few seconds, he noticed that some of the faces began to appear highly deformed and grotesque. He looked at the especially ugly faces individually, but each of them appeared normal or even attractive. We called it the “Flashed Face Distortion Effect” and wanted to share it with the world, so we put it on YouTube.

The effect seems to depend on processing each face in light of the others. By aligning the faces at the eyes and presenting them quickly, it becomes much easier to compare them, so the differences between the faces are more extreme. If someone has a large jaw, it looks almost ogre-like. If they have an especially large forehead, then it looks particularly bulbous. We’re conducting several experiments right now to figure out exactly what’s causing this effect, so watch this space!

(Blame Phil Plait.)

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532 comments
1 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 5:57:07pm

Syria slaughtered more civilians today ... And the international community just yawns ...

2 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 5:57:45pm

That's not an illusion, it's a revelation. It's the most effective way of identifying demons and aliens short of using the special goggles.

3 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:04:36pm

re: #2 b_sharp

That's not an illusion, it's a revelation. It's the most effective way of identifying demons and aliens short of using the special goggles.

Seriously.

When I really focused on the center it was fucking terrifying.
Made me think I need to lay off the booze for a second.

4 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:07:45pm

re: #3 Alexzander

Seriously.

When I really focused on the center it was fucking terrifying.
Made me think I need to lay off the booze for a second.

Our brains receive the residual signals in the rods and cones as well as the new signals so the faces become composites.

5 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:08:35pm

Alexzander, do you live in Van?

6 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:11:06pm

re: #5 b_sharp

Alexzander, do you live in Van?

Used to - Currently in Seattle. Why?

7 EdDantes  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:11:18pm

re: #1 _RememberTonyC

Syria slaughtered more civilians today ... And the international community just yawns ...

Sounds like it could be a line from this song from 1965.

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8 BongCrodny  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:14:23pm

The key question here, I think, is whether they tested the "Flashed Face Distortion Effect" during last call.

9 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:14:27pm

re: #6 Alexzander

Used to - Currently in Seattle. Why?

My kid lives in downtown Van, and it sounded like you did too.

10 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:15:47pm

re: #9 b_sharp

My kid lives in downtown Van, and it sounded like you did too.

I mean big Van, not little Van.

11 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:16:25pm

re: #9 b_sharp

My kid lives in downtown Van, and it sounded like you did too.

Of all the places I've lived, Van is probably the closest to 'home.' I love that city. I still visit once every month or so, but I've been travelling around a bit recently. Did you say you live in Ontario?

12 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:18:35pm

re: #11 Alexzander

now we must fight. Vancouver is like a bad version of Seattle or Portland with more crime.

It's only advantages are that it's in Canada and that the other Canadian cities are so bad that they'd make "little Van" look good.

13 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:20:31pm

Trippy.

14 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:21:35pm

I'm so happy, I haven't heard this song since 1995, and I've been obsessed with it since.

Youtube Video
15 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:25:39pm
What’s the ugliest part of your body?

I think it's your mind.

Highly-relevant note:

In the early 60s, the great Steve Allen published an album called "How To Think". I acquired this album as a wee tyke. On it was a song whose name I cannot recall to save my life, but the lyrics I remember were these:

Which do you think
Is the most important part?
Some say the eyes
Some say the heart

Some say the mouth
And some others say the nose
Some say the bones
On which you hang your clothes

Some say the lungs
For the air we breathe
And if you like to eat
You might say the teeth

Some say the feet
And some people say the hands
But I say the brain
Because it makes the plans

The brain is very necessary
Cause it makes the plans

--

Frank Zappa and Ray Collins were big fans of Steve Allen (c.f. FZ playing the bicycle on the Steve Allen Show)

What's The Ugliest Part of Your Body?

What's the ugliest part of your body?
What's the ugliest part of your body?

Some say your nose
Some say your toes
But I think it's your mind
I think it's your mind

(etc)

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Oh, never mind.

16 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:26:30pm

Well! That was disturbing!

Looked a lot like the manipulated photos one might see on The Church of the Subgenius website.

17 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:34:40pm

What what? this is the weirdest thing I've seen in awhile. You look at the faces individually and they're fine, you look at the cross and holy hell!

wow

18 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:34:48pm

Hi all. What's going on this evening?

19 seltzer123  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:36:01pm

Excellent effect. Thanks for posting.

20 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:38:56pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Hi all. What's going on this evening?

Not much. I'm just listening to some nice music.

Youtube Video
21 EdDantes  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:39:40pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Hi all. What's going on this evening?

Uncertainty in the economy, tensions in the middle east, natural disasters, political scandals, scandals in the press, future disasters, impending disasters. Nothing much. :)

22 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:39:44pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Hi all. What's going on this evening?

Hi Dark! We are rarely on at the same time anymore. Hope you're behaving in life and on LGF!

23 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:43:37pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

Hi Dark! We are rarely on at the same time anymore. Hope you're behaving in life and on LGF!

Work wise, today was good. A key sale moved forward and is on track to close early next week. It's mostly just paperwork now, since the interest and money are there. So that's my first sale of the month and others are lined up behind it.

I was weary and light headed this morning, but a check of my blood pressure revealed it to be normal, so I stayed at work and pushed through it.

24 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:45:22pm

re: #12 windsagio

now we must fight. Vancouver is like a bad version of Seattle or Portland with more crime.

It's only advantages are that it's in Canada and that the other Canadian cities are so bad that they'd make "little Van" look good.

Sorry I got distracted by some emails and didn't reply sooner.

I dont have a hard feeling about the differences in crime between Seattle and Van.
I've experienced some pretty shitty situations in both cities. I regularly have gun fire in the 2 block radius of my apartment in Seattle. My last home in Vancouver was surounded by IVDUs and related crime. But I cant say that Van should be singled out. What gives you that feeling?

25 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:47:36pm

re: #24 Alexzander

If I'm honest regional rivalry :D Vancouver gets all the good press and Sea/Portland get ignored :p

The crime thing I was referring to is that Vancouver has a SERIOUS Tong problem. Like they were really worried about overflowing gang violence at the Olympics.

26 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:47:54pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Good going. Keep pushing.

I heard a story on NPR today on my way home about this summer job, selling books door to door. The employee profiled was a Texas Tech grad looking for work. He was extreme in his determination (prob not the norm) and made 22K. But the crazy was the door to door, in Texas, in the summer. He had to see 30 a day to make it.

CRAZY, but damn, possible.

27 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:48:08pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Hi all. What's going on this evening?

Dinner in Santa Monica ...and hoping to avoid Carmageddon tomorrow on the way to LAX

28 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:49:05pm

re: #7 EdDantes

My iPad won't open it ... But is it Buffalo Springfield?

29 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:50:46pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

Good going. Keep pushing.

I heard a story on NPR today on my way home about this summer job, selling books door to door. The employee profiled was a Texas Tech grad looking for work. He was extreme in his determination (prob not the norm) and made 22K. But the crazy was the door to door, in Texas, in the summer. He had to see 30 a day to make it.

CRAZY, but damn, possible.

Wow, just wow.

30 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:52:13pm

Whew, I'm too old to climb the stairs anymore.

How is everyone?

31 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:52:52pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

Good going. Keep pushing.

I heard a story on NPR today on my way home about this summer job, selling books door to door. The employee profiled was a Texas Tech grad looking for work. He was extreme in his determination (prob not the norm) and made 22K. But the crazy was the door to door, in Texas, in the summer. He had to see 30 a day to make it.

CRAZY, but damn, possible.


Was it Bibles? :)

32 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:52:52pm

re: #25 windsagio

If I'm honest regional rivalry :D Vancouver gets all the good press and Sea/Portland get ignored :p

The crime thing I was referring to is that Vancouver has a SERIOUS Tong problem. Like they were really worried about overflowing gang violence at the Olympics.

I think part of me wishes I moved to Portland rather than Seattle.

I have to be honest, I'd never even heard the word 'tong' before, and I went to a highschool in Van that was 90 percent asian. But i just looked it up. There is definitely a lot of Asian and middle-eastern gang related violence in Van, true.
I wasn't aware it was a specific concern during the Olympics however. I suppose its the places you are looking I guess. I had a lot of aquatiences involved in the anti-olympics movement in Van so I mostly saw that end of politics.

33 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:52:53pm

re: #11 Alexzander

Of all the places I've lived, Van is probably the closest to 'home.' I love that city. I still visit once every month or so, but I've been travelling around a bit recently. Did you say you live in Ontario?

No, I live in Sask.

(sorry for the delay)

34 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:54:07pm

Egyptians push for 'total revolution'

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35 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:54:20pm

jet blue offering local flights in la this weekend to help avoid carmageddon

my bet is that local rush hour avoiding plane flights become permanent

36 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:55:14pm

re: #32 Alexzander

Now I'm totally looking up the anti-olympics movement :D

37 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:55:28pm

re: #30 ggt

Whew, I'm too old to climb the stairs anymore.

How is everyone?

Ask the stairs to climb you.

I'm bitchen.

38 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:56:27pm

re: #27 _RememberTonyC

Dinner in Santa Monica ...and hoping to avoid Carmageddon tomorrow on the way to LAX

Good luck you poor soul. There were signs here in San Diego warning people.

39 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:57:25pm

re: #37 b_sharp

Ask the stairs to climb you.

I'm bitchen.

It doesn't sound satisfying . . .

40 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:57:40pm

re: #27 _RememberTonyC

City streets! Use Sigalert dot com.
It's going to be a big old mess. Freeway closes in 4 minutes.
Good luck.
I'm hunkered down & plan to stay at home to avoid it!

41 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:57:46pm

re: #31 ggt

Was it Bibles? :)

That was their original business btw, no now it's school help for kids kinda stuff. Can't remember the company, but Rick Perry and some other notables (ha!) did their time with them. They started after the Civil War.

42 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:58:36pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

HEH! They've been using the CalTrans signs for more than 2 MONTHS.
Can you say "disaster in the making"?
Yes, you can!
*waves*

43 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:58:47pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

City streets! Use Sigalert dot com.
It's going to be a big old mess. Freeway closes in 4 minutes.
Good luck.
I'm hunkered down & plan to stay at home to avoid it!

Which freeway and for how long?

44 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 6:58:53pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Good luck you poor soul. There were signs here in San Diego warning people.

My flight leaves at 11:50pm tomorrow ... Hopefully that will help!

45 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:00:30pm

re: #42 Floral Giraffe

HEH! They've been using the CalTrans signs for more than 2 MONTHS.
Can you say "disaster in the making"?
Yes, you can!
*waves*

See your local businesses I guess. Can't believe TonyC has to get to LAX. Really, is that possible?

46 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:00:33pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

405 freeway from the santa monica to the 101.
53 hours, supposedly...
Here's one with a map.
20 busiest miles of freeway in the state...
[Link: blogs.laweekly.com...]

47 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:00:41pm

re: #36 windsagio

Now I'm totally looking up the anti-olympics movement :D

Much of it was organized at the Vancouver Media Coop:

[Link: vancouver.mediacoop.ca...]

It was a coalition of First Nations, Anarchist, anti-globalization activists and other local politicians who could foresee how much the Olympics would hurt the city.
The Olympics are the quintessential "Privatize Profit and give the public the debt" type enterprise. Vancouver as a city was screwed in a couple of ways.

48 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:00:55pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

City streets! Use Sigalert dot com.
It's going to be a big old mess. Freeway closes in 4 minutes.
Good luck.
I'm hunkered down & plan to stay at home to avoid it!

Staying in Marina del Rey ... Hopefully Lincoln Blvd won't be too ridiculous tomorrow night

49 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:01:10pm

re: #44 _RememberTonyC

My flight leaves at 11:50pm tomorrow ... Hopefully that will help!

Are you talking to drivers who know what's up? Or is it just hyped out beyond reason?

50 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:02:00pm

re: #48 _RememberTonyC

Sigalert dot com is your friend.
Allow extra time.
More than an hour, if you want to be safe.
Good luck!
Hope to hear your results!

51 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:02:09pm

re: #46 Floral Giraffe

405 freeway from the santa monica to the 101.
53 hours, supposedly...
Here's one with a map.
20 busiest miles of freeway in the state...
[Link: blogs.laweekly.com...]

So funny how when it RAINS it becomes a complete disaster. And we're talking California rain. Nothing like the Florida downpours I remember.

52 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:02:47pm

bbiab

53 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:03:01pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

Are you talking to drivers who know what's up? Or is it just hyped out beyond reason?

We will stay "below" the 10 freeway tomorrow ... Time to leave for dinner. Pray for my sorry butt!

54 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:03:27pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

Well, "it never rains in southern california" as the song says.
We're incompetent to drive in it. Plus, there's that oil build up.

55 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:03:51pm

re: #53 _RememberTonyC

Meh, below the 10 should be fine, headed south!

56 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:06:40pm

re: #46 Floral Giraffe

405 freeway from the santa monica to the 101.
53 hours, supposedly...
Here's one with a map.
20 busiest miles of freeway in the state...
[Link: blogs.laweekly.com...]

Good luck, Floral. That's just purely going to stink.

57 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:07:42pm

I am guessing this is just the relative context of proportions taken to an extreme (fat people look fatter next to skinny people) where the brain is overtaxed with trying to track proportions of the face, and starts to take cognitive "shortcuts"

and painters know a similar effect, local color

A grey next to a blue will appear warm, the same grey next to a bright red will appear to be blue, that's the brain taking a cognitive shortcut

so it is with proportions, facial, body, otherwise. I bet if you did a similar youtube experiment with colors, you could fool the brain into seeing very intense colors that aren't there, just by paging through disparat colors in sequence

58 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:08:27pm

also local LA folks should turn on KFI at 7pm to hear Phil hendrie riff on carmageddom :D

59 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:13:21pm

re: #58 WindUpBird

hendrie stream anywhere?

60 EdDantes  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:24:02pm

re: #28 _RememberTonyC

My iPad won't open it ... But is it Buffalo Springfield?

Hedgehoppers anonymous: Good news week.

61 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:24:19pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

Good going. Keep pushing.

I heard a story on NPR today on my way home about this summer job, selling books door to door. The employee profiled was a Texas Tech grad looking for work. He was extreme in his determination (prob not the norm) and made 22K. But the crazy was the door to door, in Texas, in the summer. He had to see 30 a day to make it.

CRAZY, but damn, possible.

Meanwhile, his astronomically elevated cortisol secretion wrecks his kidneys, causes his blood pressure to skyrocket, short-circuits his immune system, and puts him bedridden by age 55.

But hey, bootstraps and all that. If only he'd been of better character.

62 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:28:01pm

re: #61 negativ

Meanwhile, his astronomically elevated cortisol secretion wrecks his kidneys, causes his blood pressure to skyrocket, short-circuits his immune system, and puts him bedridden by age 55.

But hey, bootstraps and all that. If only he'd been of better character.

He was pulling himself up. And no one made him take the job. He chose it and ran with it. It's his life.

63 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:31:29pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

He was pulling himself up. And no one made him take the job. He chose it and ran with it. It's his life.

Equally applicable to:
teenage prostitutes
drug mules
etc etc.
Right?

64 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:32:26pm

Nicole Gelinas examines how the way the Tea Party sees TARP impacts the debt ceiling debate:

TARP’s Shadow

On Wednesday, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi sent a warning on the debt-ceiling hike. “Let’s get on with writing the bill,” she said. “I don’t need to see markets drop 400 points. But Republicans may need to see markets drop 400 points.” Pelosi remembers September 2008, when the House, then controlled by the Democrats, initially voted against the Troubled Asset Relief Program. Stocks plunged 778 points. Only after her caucus felt the visceral terror of an impending depression was Pelosi able to cobble together votes to counter Republican opposition.

If the House goes to the wire this time, there will be plenty to fear. A Treasury default would be worse than the financial crisis of 2008. The world economy is built on Treasury securities. Companies around the globe use them as collateral for overnight loans so that they have cash to pay workers as they wait for their own payments from other companies. Because this collateral is so safe, the lenders who make the overnight loans don’t have to worry about the borrowers. The key is that Treasury bonds are supposed to be risk-free.

But nothing is risk-free. If and when the market discovers this about Treasury bonds, the consequences will be dire. Companies short of cash would shed workers. Global asset selloffs could send the slow-brewing Eurozone crisis into multiple defaults, and European governments would struggle to protect their own financial institutions from panic. The fear of default could spur companies around the world to hoard more cash in anticipation, slowing the economy down. In the past week, a parade of leading financial figures has sounded the alarm—Federal Reserve chief Ben Bernanke, JPMorgan Chase honcho Jamie Dimon, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner, and former Obama economic adviser Larry Summers among them.

And that’s precisely the problem. Tea Party freshmen and their supporters hold this establishment in contempt. Implicitly invoking TARP, as Pelosi did when she mentioned a stock-market crash, won’t scare them; it will only embolden them. It would be one thing if Tea Party adherents merely believed that a default wouldn’t spell disaster; in that event, the GOP freshmen would figure out the truth soon enough. The problem is that many Tea Partiers consider TARP such a terrible idea that they would have chosen to brave a worse financial disaster instead. Today, they think that a market cataclysm would be better than another “sellout” vote. House veteran and GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann set the pace in last month’s GOP presidential debate: “I fought behind closed doors against my own party on TARP. It was a wrong vote then. It’s continued to be a wrong vote since then.” As the defeat of Utah senator Bob Bennett in 2010 showed, party voters are unforgiving of Republicans who supported TARP. A debt-hike vote will follow Republican candidates in their primaries next year.

Please do read the rest. It's not wingnutty at all, and its actually quite good.

65 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:32:44pm

Now I understand why some movie stars and other celebrities wear sunglasses, even indoors. They know what they will look like without them.

66 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:33:45pm

re: #63 negativ

Equally applicable to:
teenage prostitutes
drug mules
etc etc.
Right?

No, its not. Selling books doesn't hurt people, selling heroin does. I won't go into prostitution, as that's a far different and much uglier situation.

67 jvic  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:36:08pm

re: #57 WindUpBird

...cognitive "shortcuts"

and painters know a similar effect, local color

1. xkcd did a strip about that kind of thing.

2. I suspect there are many such cognitive shortcuts waiting to be discovered. I suspect they have bearing on how people form first impressions, and on how first impressions become permanent.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:38:21pm

re: #63 negativ

Equally applicable to:
teenage prostitutes
drug mules
etc etc.
Right?

I'm not sure selling books door to door is quite the same as being a drug mule.

69 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:39:13pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Nicole Gelinas examines how the way the Tea Party sees TARP impacts the debt ceiling debate:

TARP’s Shadow

Please do read the rest. It's not wingnutty at all, and its actually quite good.

This whole thing just reeks of politics and "winning" and nothing at all about serving the country. I just want to scream over and over and over: the debt ceiling was raised 7 times under W.

Fucking idiots.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:40:00pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

No, its not. Selling books doesn't hurt people, selling heroin does. I won't go into prostitution, as that's a far different and much uglier situation.

But if you get fed up and call to say you're not selling any more books, I hear they don't beat you up and rape you, they just say, "Oh, goddamn, another one? OK, can you drop the sales kit off on Monday? Shirl will be in."

71 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:40:25pm

'Kay, so I have a brilliant idea:

Prob 1: Greece has debt issues

Prob 2: Every four years we make some poor city spend an insane amount of money to house activities and tourists far beyond what they will need to house after the Olympics are over.

Solution! We build a permanent Olympic city in Greece. We buy some land from the Greeks, (they'll be okay, they get to staff it--jobs!), build permanent structures, and voila! Yeah, I know, there's the whole Olympic prestige thing, but is that really worth the millions that gets spent on it?

The Winter Olympics will still have to move around, because who wants to spend Norway prices on food or housing?

72 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:41:42pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

But if you get fed up and call to say you're not selling any more books, I hear they don't beat you up and rape you, they just say, "Oh, goddamn, another one? OK, can you drop the sales kit off on Monday? Shirl will be in."

I told my mother about a quilting shop that offers credit. She said that was as bad as a crack dealer offering credit.

She who dies with the most fabric wins.

73 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:43:07pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

This whole thing just reeks of politics and "winning" and nothing at all about serving the country. I just want to scream over and over and over: the debt ceiling was raised 7 times under W.

Fucking idiots.

Gelinas makes a good point, though about how the misperceptions of Tea Party members lead them to a bad conclusion.

74 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:44:20pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure selling books door to door is quite the same as being a drug mule.

A book is much harder to swallow.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:44:24pm

re: #72 EmmmieG

I told my mother about a quilting shop that offers credit. She said that was as bad as a crack dealer offering credit.

She who dies with the most fabric wins.

I know some spouses of quilters and other crafters who would not disagree with you on that. At all, at all.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:45:38pm

re: #74 b_sharp

A book is much harder to swallow.

True, unless you're selling those itty-bitty classics novelty books you sometimes see on the counter in bookstores.

77 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:46:08pm

re: #72 EmmmieG

I told my mother about a quilting shop that offers credit. She said that was as bad as a crack dealer offering credit.

She who dies with the most fabric wins.

I had 3 boxes of designer fabric swatches I received when a designer friend closed shop. Oh what I could have done with that stuff. Ralph Lauren. Pillow size. Ebay. etc. etc.

I had it in my house for 4 years. I gave it away for free to a very very happy lady, I had to move and quickly. It was all too much. (side note, I did use it to pack a ton of things, so I have some of it whenever I unpack)

I'm sad when I think about it, ahh fabric. But reality is reality.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:46:59pm

I'm fascinated with the Domino's Order Tracker.

Eric put my order in the oven at 7:43 PM.

I feel as though I should make polite small talk with Eric, but he's in Albany, and we don't actually know one another.

79 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:47:01pm

re: #72 EmmmieG

I told my mother about a quilting shop that offers credit. She said that was as bad as a crack dealer offering credit.

She who dies with the most fabric wins.

The local fabric shop asks for ID from all the customers when using credit cards - even the 65 year old grandmas. Now I understand why.

80 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:47:43pm

re: #79 Alexzander

The local fabric shop asks for ID from all the customers when using credit cards - even the 65 year old grandmas. Now I understand why.

LOL

81 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:49:01pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm fascinated with the Domino's Order Tracker.

Eric put my order in the oven at 7:43 PM.

I feel as though I should make polite small talk with Eric, but he's in Albany, and we don't actually know one another.

Interesting.

I was given a 20 dollar dominoes gift card but the local shop's system for accepting gift cards is down.

I'm making pizza for myself right now.

One is going to be a basil-red chilli- quatro-fromaggio.

The other is going to be a goat cheese, artichoke and pesto masterpiece.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:50:41pm

re: #81 Alexzander

Interesting.

I was given a 20 dollar dominoes gift card but the local shop's system for accepting gift cards is down.

I'm making pizza for myself right now.

One is going to be a basil-red chilli- quatro-fromaggio.

The other is going to be a goat cheese, artichoke and pesto masterpiece.

We almost never order take-out. Budget's tight. But I just got paid, and I have a mad yearning for cheap delivery pizza.

83 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:51:07pm

I might sprinkle some soy chorizo on the basil tomato sauce pizza.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:51:32pm

Eric double-checked my order for perfection at 7:50.

85 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:51:47pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

We almost never order take-out. Budget's tight. But I just got paid, and I have a mad yearning for cheap delivery pizza.

I get epic yearnings for delivery pizza too.
Its probably my biggest vice after wine.

86 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:52:29pm

Seriously, I'm going to post on craigslist a "crafter's special" when I unpack my storage unit. Oh the stuff I couldn't get rid of, that I'm away from now that doesn't even matter.

87 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:53:04pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Gelinas makes a good point, though about how the misperceptions of Tea Party members lead them to a bad conclusion.

I don't think it's a misperception, it's nihilism. They know exactly what will happen, they just don't give a rat's ass. They're apocalyptic fundamentalists, looking forward to living their own fantasy crash scenario, playing Road Warrior.

88 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:53:11pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Eric double-checked my order for perfection at 7:50.

lol, gotta do this!

89 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:55:41pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Eric double-checked my order for perfection at 7:50.

I'm currently waiting for my dough to do whatever it needs to do while it sits for 20 minutes after being taken out of the fridge.

90 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:56:14pm

If Eric realized dozens of people are waiting to see just how well he did his job, he must just choke.

Better he thinks it's just you.

91 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:57:24pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure selling books door to door is quite the same as being a drug mule.

I'll assume, then, that you've neither sold books door-to-door, nor been a drug mule.

92 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:57:33pm

re: #90 EmmmieG

We're all counting on you Eric!

93 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:58:30pm

re: #89 Alexzander

I'm currently waiting for my dough to do whatever it needs to do while it sits for 20 minutes after being taken out of the fridge.

Tri-tip is slow smoking on the Weber, after a three day soy, lime and horseradish marinade.

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:58:47pm

re: #91 negativ

I'll assume, then, that you've neither sold books door-to-door, nor been a drug mule.

To begin with, people are happy to see their drug dealers.

(Actually, I have bought books door to door, but I've never bought illegal drugs.)

95 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 7:59:44pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Tri-tip is slow smoking on the Weber, after a three day soy, lime and horseradish marinade.

starving. yum

96 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:00:14pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Tri-tip is slow smoking on the Weber, after a three day soy, lime and horseradish marinade.

I made The Princess cook dinner. Did I mention that both grandmothers and her aunt on her dad's side are all cooks by profession?

Except that my mother gets too creative, but The Princess doesn't seem to have that problem. Dinner was great. Some kind of red sauce with penne pasta and chicken.

97 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:00:53pm

On the Internet, anybody can be named Eric.

98 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:01:06pm

re: #94 EmmmieG


This

To begin with, people are happy to see their drug dealers.

is discredited by this

(Actually, I have bought books door to door, but I've never bought illegal drugs.)
99 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:01:36pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

I don't think it's a misperception, it's nihilism. They know exactly what will happen, they just don't give a rat's ass. They're apocalyptic fundamentalists, looking forward to living their own fantasy crash scenario, playing Road Warrior.

I think its more the "I'm mad as Hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" idea driven to an even more insane extreme. They remind me less of Islamist organizations than the Weatherman or the SLA. They are far into hate of "the establishment" that they're willing to wreck the country to be rid of it.

That's right folks: Right now those Tea Party people are closer to the mindset of Bill Ayers than Barack Obama. They've become the thing they claim to want to stop.

100 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:03:42pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

I think its more the "I'm mad as Hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" idea driven to an even more insane extreme. They remind me less of Islamist organizations than the Weatherman or the SLA. They are far into hate of "the establishment" that they're willing to wreck the country to be rid of it.

That's right folks: Right now those Tea Party people are closer to the mindset of Bill Ayers than Barack Obama. They've become the thing they claim to want to stop.

The last three die-hard Marxists in America are praying to the mummy of Lenin that the TPGOP will throw the capitalist world into a cascade of defaults.

101 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:08:40pm

Another random; I didn't know this guy did so many novelty songs, but this one is just so true!

Youtube Video

(I hate cops)
102 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:10:30pm

re: #100 Decatur Deb

The last three die-hard Marxists in America are praying to the mummy of Lenin that the TPGOP will throw the capitalist world into a cascade of defaults.

And isn't it ironic:

Youtube Video
103 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:11:45pm

re: #101 windsagio

Ragging on police officers angers me. Don't curse the police, bless them instead. They maintain order and you'd be in dire straights without them.

104 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:13:00pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

Unless you're black or a Mexican (or look Mexican).

105 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:14:01pm

I don't really want to make a big fight tho', just making conversation :p

also, its a funny song.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:14:19pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

> bless them instead

Now that's a bit going overboard. Cops are necessary, but they're, uh, how to say it, a necessary evil. /Altho windy might appreciate the American cops better if he lived in Russia ;)

107 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:14:32pm

re: #104 windsagio

This seems to be topical:

Youtube Video
108 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:14:37pm

re: #104 windsagio

Unless you're black or a Mexican (or look Mexican).

[eyeroll]

109 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:16:18pm

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

Or, again, Mexico. Our cops are bad, but we're still lucky compared to most places :p

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:16:49pm

re: #90 EmmmieG

If Eric realized dozens of people are waiting to see just how well he did his job, he must just choke.

Better he thinks it's just you.

Pizza arrived. Brought to my door by Carlos.

I greeted him with "Hi, you must be Carlos!" He looked slightly taken aback. I think most people are less into this thing than I.

I refrained from giving my best to Eric.

111 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:17:10pm

This is my Karaoke song tonight....I didn't think it would be

Youtube Video
112 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:17:24pm

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

> bless them instead

Now that's a bit going overboard. Cops are necessary, but they're, uh, how to say it, a necessary evil. /Altho windy might appreciate the American cops better if he lived in Russia ;)

Cops are people, and some people really suck.

No umbrella love.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:17:54pm

re: #101 windsagio

Another random; I didn't know this guy did so many novelty songs, but this one is just so true!

[Video]
(I hate cops)

I love cops. I was even fond of the one who arrested me.

114 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:18:34pm

re: #107 ProLifeLiberal

I always fail #4.

115 kirkghazi  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:18:37pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

I don't think it's a misperception, it's nihilism. They know exactly what will happen, they just don't give a rat's ass. They're apocalyptic fundamentalists, looking forward to living their own fantasy crash scenario, playing Road Warrior.

Not really nihilists. Anarcho-capitalists, perhaps. If such a thing isn't impossible, anarcho-fascists might be a better description. Might makes Right, and Mightiest of all is Gold.

(which is wrong, of course. If it goes to the law of tooth and nail, then "Iron -- Cold Iron -- is master of them all.")

116 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:18:44pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

Ragging on police officers angers me. Don't curse the police, bless them instead. They maintain order and you'd be in dire straights without them.

Police officers are, in general, personally insecure authoritarians who are -- again, in general -- not hired for their above-average intelligence.

Police officers are by definition the enforcement apparatus of the very same idiotic politicians you otherwise spare no expense in deriding.

117 jaunte  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:18:46pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

I imagine a good number of the 3,219 now online are contemplating calling the Solano St. Domino's and congratulating Eric for a job well done.

118 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:18:49pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Pizza arrived. Brought to my door by Carlos.

I greeted him with "Hi, you must be Carlos!" He looked slightly taken aback. I think most people are less into this thing than I.

I refrained from giving my best to Eric.

LOL I'm dying! Please provide the link after you've finished eating. I'm going to do it!

119 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:19:25pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm still annoyed about the cops that arrested me, obviously :p

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:19:43pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

LOL I'm dying! Please provide the link after you've finished eating. I'm going to do it!

It seems to be automatic if you order Domino's online.

121 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:19:58pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

I love cops. I was even fond of the one who arrested me.

Oh do tell

122 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:20:03pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

I love cops. I was even fond of the one who arrested me.

Stockholm Syndrome?

123 Ben Jhazi  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:20:16pm

re: #112 Stanley Sea

Cops are people, and some people really suck.

No umbrella love.

Even some of our men and women in uniform (Lynndie England, Nidal Hassan) are some despicable people.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:20:29pm

re: #119 windsagio

I'm still annoyed about the cops that arrested me, obviously :p

Evidently.

We freaked out Officer Roselli by telling him that some of us were nuns. He blanched, and asked us not to tell his mother.

(We were blocking traffic for a good cause.)

125 Lidane  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:20:36pm

Greatest. Thing. EVAR. If you're a music junkie, get on this:

Turntable.fm: The cool kids' Pandora?

I spent my entire workday today on Turntable and never heard the same song twice. And it's fun. If you can, check it out.

126 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:20:39pm

re: #117 jaunte

I imagine a good number of the 3,219 now online are contemplating calling the Solano St. Domino's and congratulating Eric for a job well done.

Is that how many are currently browsing LGF? Is that number accessible to all users?

127 jaunte  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:21:08pm

re: #126 Alexzander

You can find it in the left side toolbar under Statistics.

128 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:21:17pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

well see that's the difference, you were arrested for doing osmething admittedly illegal, if for a good cause.

I was just handy when they needed somebody to blame for a crime.

129 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:21:21pm

re: #117 jaunte

I imagine a good number of the 3,219 now online are contemplating calling the Solano St. Domino's and congratulating Eric for a job well done.

Really, I lol'd so good on this one my housemates think (again) that I'm crazy.

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:22:03pm

re: #125 Lidane

> Everyone knows Pandora

I don't!

131 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:23:02pm

re: #128 windsagio

well see that's the difference, you were arrested for doing osmething admittedly illegal, if for a good cause.

I was just handy when they needed somebody to blame for a crime.

go on....

132 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:23:20pm

I've been arrested too. Its on youtube. Muahaha.

133 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:23:22pm

re: #128 windsagio

well see that's the difference, you were arrested for doing osmething admittedly illegal, if for a good cause.

I was just handy when they needed somebody to blame for a crime.

What happened?

134 Ben Jhazi  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:23:23pm

re: #130 Sergey Romanov

> Everyone knows Pandora

I don't!

Christ. What, do you live in Russia or something?!?

135 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:23:50pm

re: #131 Alexzander

go on...

Tell it again Windy. It's an educational story.

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:24:07pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Oh do tell

We were getting arrested for blocking the street over some San Francisco-like thing. I think it was wanting the city to give the Wherry Housing for the homeless, rather than whatever they were doing with it.

The cops didn't want to make the arrests, so we eventually worked out a system whereby if you wanted to get arrested, you actually had to be holding the banner, then refuse to clear the intersection, then be placed under arrest. We were very organized and cooperative, on account of nuns were running the operation.

Best moment, all of us in the back of the little paddywagon (can I say that, seeing as I'm Irish?), and one of the women slips out of a too-loose pair of disposable cuffs. "Martha!" one of the other women chides. "Put those back on! We're supposed to cooperate!"

We drove the cops nuts. They were thrilled to see the back of us.

137 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:25:05pm

re: #131 Alexzander

Told the story before, so I'll do the short version. I was arrested for shoplifting a store I was nowhere near, they wouldn't check my readily checkable alibi (I was in another store for an hour at the time), held me in the back of a car for several hours, lied to, intimidated, lied to again, had to pay for a lawyer, and eventually had all charges dropped.

Cops really really shouldn't be able to lie to suspects to get them to confess things.

138 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:25:12pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

We were getting arrested for blocking the street over some San Francisco-like thing. I think it was wanting the city to give the Wherry Housing for the homeless, rather than whatever they were doing with it.

The cops didn't want to make the arrests, so we eventually worked out a system whereby if you wanted to get arrested, you actually had to be holding the banner, then refuse to clear the intersection, then be placed under arrest. We were very organized and cooperative, on account of nuns were running the operation.

Best moment, all of us in the back of the little paddywagon (can I say that, seeing as I'm Irish?), and one of the women slips out of a too-loose pair of disposable cuffs. "Martha!" one of the other women chides. "Put those back on! We're supposed to cooperate!"

We drove the cops nuts. They were thrilled to see the back of us.

I KNEW it would be good. Kudos SFZ!

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:25:28pm

re: #123 JasonA

Even some of our men and women in uniform (Lynndie England, Nidal Hassan) are some despicable people.

True. But in general, cops do a damn hard job, and do it decently.

I have no problem being respectful of the uniform until the person in it gives me reason not to be.

140 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:25:38pm

re: #137 windsagio

held me *cuffed* in the back of a car for several hours.

141 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:26:54pm

re: #137 windsagio

Told the story before, so I'll do the short version. I was arrested for shoplifting a store I was nowhere near, they wouldn't check my readily checkable alibi (I was in another store for an hour at the time), held me in the back of a car for several hours, lied to, intimidated, lied to again, had to pay for a lawyer, and eventually had all charges dropped.

Cops really really shouldn't be able to lie to suspects to get them to confess things.

Sorry you were mistreated, but the rules letting cops lie isn't going to be changed. Any political figure who proposed that would be hammered for favoring criminals and it would reduce the ability of police to effectively interrogate.

142 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:27:02pm

I realize that my grammar got messed up halfway through that post, its been 10 years but I still get pisst lol ><

143 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:27:03pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

We were getting arrested for blocking the street over some San Francisco-like thing. I think it was wanting the city to give the Wherry Housing for the homeless, rather than whatever they were doing with it.

The cops didn't want to make the arrests, so we eventually worked out a system whereby if you wanted to get arrested, you actually had to be holding the banner, then refuse to clear the intersection, then be placed under arrest. We were very organized and cooperative, on account of nuns were running the operation.

Best moment, all of us in the back of the little paddywagon (can I say that, seeing as I'm Irish?), and one of the women slips out of a too-loose pair of disposable cuffs. "Martha!" one of the other women chides. "Put those back on! We're supposed to cooperate!"

We drove the cops nuts. They were thrilled to see the back of us.

I was arrested at a similar kind of event, although without the clout of nuns. They left us in the 'paddy wagon' for hours and one us actually peed while we were in there. That was just the beginning of what was a unique 24 hours of trauma.

144 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:27:46pm

re: #140 windsagio

held me *cuffed* in the back of a car for several hours.


All because your jacket resembled the one "witnessed" right?

145 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:27:51pm

re: #134 JasonA

Apparently, I live under a rock. /

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:28:31pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

We were getting arrested for blocking the street over some San Francisco-like thing. I think it was wanting the city to give the Wherry Housing for the homeless, rather than whatever they were doing with it.

The cops didn't want to make the arrests, so we eventually worked out a system whereby if you wanted to get arrested, you actually had to be holding the banner, then refuse to clear the intersection, then be placed under arrest. We were very organized and cooperative, on account of nuns were running the operation.

Best moment, all of us in the back of the little paddywagon (can I say that, seeing as I'm Irish?), and one of the women slips out of a too-loose pair of disposable cuffs. "Martha!" one of the other women chides. "Put those back on! We're supposed to cooperate!"

We drove the cops nuts. They were thrilled to see the back of us.

When we got to Northern Station, they stuck all the women into one holding cell, and attached the guys to chairs in the lobby. After all the ladies had had a chance to use the toilet, we started trying to get them to switch us around so the guys could also pee. The cops, by then, were simply ignoring our helpful suggestions.

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:28:53pm

re: #137 windsagio

What, no beatings!? /

148 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:29:11pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I know it won't, for the reasons you stated. It should tho' seriously. They bully people all the time.

I should say also, it works. When I was in custody they had my 'accomplice' in another car. They told each of us that the other had fingered them, and admitted everything so they should make it easy on themselves and admit it too. The girl (who was actually guilty) later said to my lawyer 'why did your client say he knew me?'

149 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:30:11pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

yeah, and a clerk ID'd me from inside a tinted car 20 feet away. Haha you remember :D

re: #147 Sergey Romanov

I'm white. You know how it is. Consider how mouthy I was, I'm kind of lucky in that regard. Had the whole american 'HOW DARE YOU?!' thing going.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:30:13pm

re: #140 windsagio

held me *cuffed* in the back of a car for several hours.

I can see how you would not be a fan of the profession after that.

My own positive arrest experience is reinforced by being the daughter of an ex-police officer, and having grown up in a family full of law enforcement folks.

151 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:30:41pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

We were getting arrested for blocking the street over some San Francisco-like thing. I think it was wanting the city to give the Wherry Housing for the homeless, rather than whatever they were doing with it.

The cops didn't want to make the arrests, so we eventually worked out a system whereby if you wanted to get arrested, you actually had to be holding the banner, then refuse to clear the intersection, then be placed under arrest. We were very organized and cooperative, on account of nuns were running the operation.

Best moment, all of us in the back of the little paddywagon (can I say that, seeing as I'm Irish?), and one of the women slips out of a too-loose pair of disposable cuffs. "Martha!" one of the other women chides. "Put those back on! We're supposed to cooperate!"

We drove the cops nuts. They were thrilled to see the back of us.

The same Georgia judge who overturned Lt. Calley's sentence has sent
an 88yr old nun to jail for six months. She insisted on serving it.

[Link: articles.sfgate.com...]

152 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:31:06pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

When we got to Northern Station, they stuck all the women into one holding cell, and attached the guys to chairs in the lobby. After all the ladies had had a chance to use the toilet, we started trying to get them to switch us around so the guys could also pee. The cops, by then, were simply ignoring our helpful suggestions.

There's at least 3 porn movies in that paragraph.

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:31:07pm

re: #148 windsagio

Well, this bring back the death penalty discussion a day or so ago. Where people actually thought cops don't coerce confessions (and this is absolutely a coercion).

154 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:31:20pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Gelinas makes a good point, though about how the misperceptions of Tea Party members lead them to a bad conclusion.

is that sorta like the "misperception" that black people and hispanics are inferior to themselves

155 abolitionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:32:06pm

I suspect the phenomenon is related to the blind spot that each of us has in each eye. Try this:
Close (or cover) your right eye, and gaze at the right edge of your screen. Then hold up a finger near the point of your gaze. Then while maintaining your gaze at the right edge, slowly move your finger to the left. At some point, your finger disappears. (I'll leave testing your other eye as an excercise.)

I imagine the blind spot(s) would interfere horrifically with one's perceptions of faces. And I imagine the "ugly" comes from one's brain missing the expected facial features.

The perceived features seen by one's left brain and one's right brain will be inconsistent, not only with expectations, but with each other.

156 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:32:39pm

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

Once in MA, cops got in trouble for framing a guy for murder to protect a snitch.

Luckily they weren't big on the death penalty, so 20 years later somebody figured it out and got it overturned. In Texas he would have fried.

157 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:33:02pm

I think you folks are going to like this one.

158 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:34:09pm

re: #154 WindUpBird

wait, Nicole Gelinas? My relative (the DJ/engineer one) is named Gelinas and has a half-sister named Nicole... now I have something to ask about!

159 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:34:10pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

When we got to Northern Station, they stuck all the women into one holding cell, and attached the guys to chairs in the lobby. After all the ladies had had a chance to use the toilet, we started trying to get them to switch us around so the guys could also pee. The cops, by then, were simply ignoring our helpful suggestions.

Oh if at that time you had the phones of today, you could've recorded the whole thing. I would be happy as hell to watch.

160 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:34:22pm

The secret word for today is "badge-licker".

161 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:34:38pm

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

I can see how you would not be a fan of the profession after that.

My own positive arrest experience is reinforced by being the daughter of an ex-police officer, and having grown up in a family full of law enforcement folks.

A cop in my hometown south of Seattle once tried to have the book thrown at me because I was a dirtbag teenager in a Firebird who was speeding, tried to nail me with a reckless driving ticket, inflated the speed to a speed which was unearthly and almost physically impossible, have my license taken away, all kind of fun

whoops, turns out the dirtbag teenager comes from a family of lawyers who weren't having any of it, too bad so sad

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:34:47pm

re: #156 windsagio

Yeah. But you know, with proper cops, a proper jury, and a proper judge we absolutely should have DP! (The only thing to decide is who decides whether all of the above are proper in each and every case).

163 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:35:14pm

re: #156 windsagio

Once in MA, cops got in trouble for framing a guy for murder to protect a snitch.

Luckily they weren't big on the death penalty, so 20 years later somebody figured it out and got it overturned. In Texas he would have fried.

America!

fuck yeah!

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:35:24pm

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

I forgot /

165 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:35:43pm

re: #161 WindUpBird

Oh I was there for that one! He also said that he'd been following you for like 5 miles with his lights on and you just didn't notice!

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:36:03pm

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

Well, this bring back the death penalty discussion a day or so ago. Where people actually thought cops don't coerce confessions (and this is absolutely a coercion).

hahaha which people were these

were they of sound mind, they weren't wards of the state? :D

167 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:36:13pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

man all that and no mention of Tipper Gore?!

168 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:36:22pm

re: #154 WindUpBird

If you want to talk to me, you've got an apology to make. Until then, you're on my shit list.

169 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:36:58pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

If you want to talk to me, you've got an apology to make. Until then, you're on my shit list.

Oh good heavens, anything but that 9_9

170 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:37:05pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

You're right.

171 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:37:09pm

re: #167 windsagio

Youtube Video
172 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:37:22pm

re: #151 Decatur Deb

The same Georgia judge who overturned Lt. Calley's sentence has sent
an 88yr old nun to jail for six months. She insisted on serving it.

[Link: articles.sfgate.com...]

wow

173 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:38:04pm

re: #171 windsagio

damn should have listened to it, this is some weird mix. lame.

Good one:

Youtube Video
174 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:39:02pm

The only really sucky thing abut my arrest experience was that prior to it happening, I managed to sunburn myself badly lying on the lawn in front of City Hall, being a dead homeless person.

They didn't explain that we were supposed to STAY there while several speeches, sermons, and a gospel singer happened, and you couldn't really get up, since that would ruin the tableau completely.

I pray that my booking photo never comes to light. I looked like a damn lobster.

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:39:26pm

re: #161 WindUpBird

So how did it all end? Did he get a slap on the wrist?

176 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:40:22pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

The whole protest thing is so foreign to Portland, but also kind of cool.

177 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:41:10pm

re: #167 windsagio

man all that and no mention of Tipper Gore?!

They wouldn't do that. To bring up Tipper would disrupt the meme by having a Democrat who favored censorship. Now a good reporter could still explain the how that might come about, but movies normally aren't able to deal with complexity.

PS: I'm not trying to spout a 'liberal bias' line. Tipper Gore did indeed argue for record warning labels a buying restrictions, but that was not common among Democrats. But it was taken about by the Moral Majority, which tended to vote Republican.

178 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:41:55pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

You know how it is, the Gores are a weird family.

179 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:42:19pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

I think you folks are going to like this one.

I can't wait to see that. I will admit, I like Tom Cruise. Disregard his personal life, but as a screen presence (which, by the way is his job) I like him.

Check this pic out from this film

[Link: www.movieline.com...]

180 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:42:29pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

If you want to talk to me, you've got an apology to make. Until then, you're on my shit list.

If you or someone you love is on the shit list of someone on the Internet, don't wait another day. Send a self-addressed stamped envelope to:

SHIT-LIST RELIEF
P.O. Box 43447
Pueblo, CO 81009

Allow 4 to 6 weeks for delivery.

181 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:43:26pm

re: #180 negativ

If you or someone you love is on the shit list of someone on the Internet, don't wait another day. Send a self-addressed stamped envelope to:

SHIT-LIST RELIEF
P.O. Box 43447
Pueblo, CO 81009

Allow 4 to 6 weeks for delivery.

LOL!

182 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:43:39pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

a lot of really skilled actors are also really crazy.

183 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:44:36pm

re: #171 windsagio

WHAT?

184 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:45:40pm

re: #175 Sergey Romanov

So how did it all end? Did he get a slap on the wrist?


He got a speeding ticket!

Which, ya know, if Officer Cannonball had been honest, is what I should have gotten in the first place. I deserved the speeding ticket. I was going something like 15-20 over on a deserted four lane highway at 3am, on our way back from Ravensdale. I certainly was not going 90, which is what the pig said. Even the judge was looking at him like he was nuts. He claimed I was blasting it to 90 in between stoplights. He also claimed he was following me with his lights on for miles. It was ridiculous. He looked young, maybe he was being leaned on for a quota, who knows.

185 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:45:58pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

You do tell the bestest stories!
Enjoy the pizza!
*smooch*

186 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:46:19pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

They wouldn't do that. To bring up Tipper would disrupt the meme by having a Democrat who favored censorship. Now a good reporter could still explain the how that might come about, but movies normally aren't able to deal with complexity.

PS: I'm not trying to spout a 'liberal bias' line. Tipper Gore did indeed argue for record warning labels a buying restrictions, but that was not common among Democrats. But it was taken about by the Moral Majority, which tended to vote Republican.

Yah, and she incurred the rile of Frank.

187 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:46:27pm

re: #176 windsagio

The whole protest thing is so foreign to Portland, but also kind of cool.

we block freeways occasionally!

188 laZardo  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:48:09pm

Cops came for me once. Threatened a teacher with some pliers after a nervous breakdown and had me hauled to the Sacramento asylum where I spent the next week or so sedated and medicated.

Emphasized that "this was not a criminal arrest" when reading me my rights.

189 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:48:10pm

re: #182 windsagio

a lot of really skilled actors are also really crazy.

I took speech class in college. 1 & 2. Mostly actors in 2. They were fucking crazy. They had to be, to MAKE IT.

190 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:48:13pm

re: #184 WindUpBird

He got a speeding ticket!

Wait, what? He had to pay for that ticket he gave you or something? (Does not compute, sorry).

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:48:33pm

re: #176 windsagio

The whole protest thing is so foreign to Portland, but also kind of cool.

San Francisco's ongoing homeless issue was something I really wanted to be involved with, back when I was more of a moonbat. Which is not to say that the need of homeless people diminished when I got less moonbatty, but my tolerance for some of the people running most of the organizations working on the issue in the City got lower.

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:48:49pm

re: #130 Sergey Romanov

> Everyone knows Pandora

I don't!

Oh well.

Dear Pandora Visitor,

We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.

We believe that you are in Russian Federation (your IP address appears to be [...]). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com

193 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:49:43pm

re: #190 Sergey Romanov

Wait, what? He had to pay for that ticket he gave you or something? (Does not compute, sorry).

I thought you were just referring to me in the third person. :D The cop? The cop didn't have anything happen to him. The judge just knocked it down to a speeding ticket and ignored the cop's bullshit in the end. But certainly nothing happened to him.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:50:01pm

re: #188 laZardo

Cops came for me once. Threatened a teacher with some pliers after a nervous breakdown and had me hauled to the Sacramento asylum where I spent the next week or so sedated and medicated.

Emphasized that "this was not a criminal arrest" when reading me my rights.

One of my students had a couple of those on his record.

So they told me.

I was amazed. Once his meds got sorted out, you would not have guessed.

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:50:36pm

re: #193 WindUpBird

Impunity is compounding the problem, not that I had to say that :)

196 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:50:37pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

It's a reference to the late 80s censorship thing (the connection being that movie DF mentioned and Tipper)

2 Live Crew likes obscene lyrics and they got in trouble with the governor of the state:

The American Family Association did not think the presence of a "Parental Advisory" sticker was enough to adequately warn listeners of what was inside the case. Jack Thompson, a lawyer affiliated with the AFA, met with Florida Governor Bob Martinez and convinced him to look into the album to see if it met the legal classification of obscene. In 1990 action was taken at the local level and Nick Navarro, Broward County sheriff received a ruling from judge Mel Grossman that probable cause for obscenity violations existed.

Navarro ended up leaning on record stores to pull the album.

2LC's response was brilliant, they made that song making fun of Martinez and Navarro.

197 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:51:08pm

re: #196 windsagio

ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME

198 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:52:10pm

If you haven't read this, you should:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

199 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:52:21pm

re: #197 WindUpBird

Reading their wiki I didn't know that their first claim to fame was being really good at mixing and sampling. They were always dirty as hell tho'.

200 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:54:03pm

re: #199 windsagio

Reading their wiki I didn't know that their first claim to fame was being really good at mixing and sampling. They were always dirty as hell tho'.

sampling in the 80's was a big deal, not a lot of easy to use gera out there


There's this weird ass 80's 8-bit sampling keyboard I want called a Mirage, it sounds awesome if you're into the whole circuit-bent-corroded-digital sound

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:54:31pm

re: #192 Sergey Romanov

Oh well.

We're very sorry, but while we would love to let you in and rock out with us, we need to currently restrict turntable access to only the United States due to licensing constraints.

We are working very hard to try and get you in as soon as possible.

If you believe this is a mistake and you are located in the United States, please e-mail help [at sign] turntable dot fm

Again, sorry, and we hope to see you soon.

Billy Chasen
CEO

202 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:55:14pm

re: #201 Sergey Romanov

you know, I didn't know you actually for reals lived in Russia.

203 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:55:42pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

I took speech class in college. 1 & 2. Mostly actors in 2. They were fucking crazy. They had to be, to MAKE IT.

There was a show where actors listed their most favorite love scenes. Most of them ended in tears after relating their favorite scenes. So emotional! Hope everyone is well!

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:55:59pm

re: #199 windsagio

Reading their wiki I didn't know that their first claim to fame was being really good at mixing and sampling. They were always dirty as hell tho'.

What a strange time it was, when idiot scolds who happened to be married to congressmen were pulling musicians before congress

Tipper Gore probably sold a lot of metal bands a lot of records though!

205 Lidane  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:56:17pm

Aww. Sorry about that. I didn't know Turntable was only here in the States.

206 laZardo  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:57:51pm

re: #200 WindUpBird

sampling in the 80's was a big deal, not a lot of easy to use gera out there

There's this weird ass 80's 8-bit sampling keyboard I want called a Mirage, it sounds awesome if you're into the whole circuit-bent-corroded-digital sound

Oh right, it's 80s Saturday on one of my local radio stations. >_>

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:57:58pm

re: #201 Sergey Romanov

Get the same thing with hulu and some other stuff. Thank IPU for torrents!

208 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:58:09pm

re: #204 WindUpBird

Oh man its so hard to not to link more 2 live crew now.

"FACE DOWN ASS UP!" lol

209 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:58:42pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

I can't wait to see that. I will admit, I like Tom Cruise. Disregard his personal life, but as a screen presence (which, by the way is his job) I like him.

Check this pic out from this film

[Link: www.movieline.com...]

He's still 5'7".

210 jvic  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:58:43pm

My sense is that the police are coming to view themselves more as an overseer class than as public servants.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:59:16pm

re: #202 windsagio

you know, I didn't know you actually for reals lived in Russia.

Many people do. Almost a hundred and forty-two million.

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 8:59:46pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

You call that a living?
////

213 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:00:16pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

hate you so very very much :D

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:00:33pm

re: #213 windsagio

hate you so very very much :D

:)

215 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:00:55pm

gotta go get ready to go out, but I cna't resist linking this. The shocked expressions of the audience for the ENTIRE PERFORMANCE is just priceless:

Youtube Video
216 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:01:24pm

re: #198 austin_blue

If you haven't read this, you should:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

They don't give a fucking clarity for the country they serve shit.

I'm so pissed about the whole thing. Hopefully the Dali Lama visit to the WH will fortify Obama.

217 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:02:00pm

re: #199 windsagio

Reading their wiki I didn't know that their first claim to fame was being really good at mixing and sampling. They were always dirty as hell tho'.

They were actually at a porn expo in Rosemont earlier this month. My family made a point of avoiding the restaurants we frequent near the Stevens Convention Center, lest my mother see something that would upset her.

(Don't be too hostile. My mother grew up in North Carolina in the 1950's. She finds things that are as overtly sexual as that sort of event highly distasteful.)

218 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:03:05pm

re: #210 jvic

My sense is that the police are coming to view themselves more as an overseer class than as public servants.

How do you figure?

219 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:03:11pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

no its fine believe me. Plenty of my family are really uncomfortable with that kind of thing.

Last week I mentioned the one that said 'I can never respect a man that likes porn'

(she's in for a hard time)

220 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:03:15pm

re: #209 austin_blue

He's still 5'7".

I'm 5'2"

Workable

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:03:28pm

re: #216 Stanley Sea

They don't give a fucking clarity for the country they serve shit.

I'm so pissed about the whole thing. Hopefully the Dali Lama visit to the WH will fortify Obama.

Him and his occult spirits?

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:04:24pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

They were actually at a porn expo in Rosemont earlier this month. My family made a point of avoiding the restaurants we frequent near the Stevens Convention Center, lest my mother see something that would upset her.

(Don't be too hostile. My mother grew up in North Carolina in the 1950's. She finds things that are as overtly sexual as that sort of event highly distasteful.)

Protecting one's mother from a porn expo is meritorious--at least if she wants to be protected.

223 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:04:58pm

re: #200 WindUpBird

sampling in the 80's was a big deal, not a lot of easy to use gera out there

There's this weird ass 80's 8-bit sampling keyboard I want called a Mirage, it sounds awesome if you're into the whole circuit-bent-corroded-digital sound

If that sort of thing interests you, it is with the greatest sincerity I urge you to investigate the life and times of a guy named Raymond Scott. Composer, inventor, electronic music pioneer, and true mad scientist.

You've heard this, even if you didn't realize it.

Youtube Video

The guy who composed this:

Youtube Video

He invented and built the instruments you hear here:

Youtube Video

Same guy, 1959:

Youtube Video

Maybe he was onto something...

Youtube Video
224 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:05:02pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

I'm 5'2"

Workable

: )

225 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:05:16pm

re: #219 windsagio

Last week I mentioned the one that said 'I can never respect a man that likes porn'

(she's in for a hard time)

Or not.

226 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:05:34pm

re: #215 windsagio

gotta go get ready to go out, but I cna't resist linking this. The shocked expressions of the audience for the ENTIRE PERFORMANCE is just priceless:

[Video]

OMG

227 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:06:10pm

re: #216 Stanley Sea

They don't give a fucking clarity for the country they serve shit.

I'm so pissed about the whole thing. Hopefully the Dali Lama visit to the WH will fortify Obama.

Thank you, Gabby Johnson, for that brilliant example of Frontier Gibberish!

;-D

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:07:21pm

re: #215 windsagio

At :50 there's a grinning old guy in glasses and suit, righteous

229 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:07:25pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

Him and his occult spirits?

I hope the peace and zen passes off!!

230 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:07:45pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

I'm 5'2"

Workable

But why are so many leading *men* so short?

231 laZardo  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:08:23pm

re: #230 austin_blue

But why are so many leading *men* so short?

Because they're the ones that make sure the tall ones get so much attention. :I

232 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:08:37pm

re: #225 publicityStunted

Or not.

lol

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:08:56pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

what the Dalai Lama looks like to Rick Perry

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:09:55pm

re: #233 WindUpBird

what the Dalai Lama looks like to Rick Perry

Is that one of the guys from "Big Trouble In Little China"?

235 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:10:23pm

re: #223 negativ

That's one of Tom Waits' favorite musicians.

236 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:10:40pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

Is that one of the guys from "Big Trouble In Little China"?

He will rule the cosmos from beyond the grave.

237 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:10:58pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

Is that one of the guys from "Big Trouble In Little China"?

yes :D

238 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:12:17pm

re: #227 austin_blue

yeah I know. pimf

239 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:12:44pm

Dear Lawd..Late Friday night.. Drank too many beers at the Lodge and sitting at home with Winston Watching the 1962 movie Hitler.. I guess it was a classic..So I need to check it out..
/Winston..Grab me a beer while you are up!
Lazy Dog...

240 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:13:49pm

re: #223 negativ

If that sort of thing interests you, it is with the greatest sincerity I urge you to investigate the life and times of a guy named Raymond Scott. Composer, inventor, electronic music pioneer, and true mad scientist.

You've heard this, even if you didn't realize it.

[Video]

Raymond Scott was a genius.

Some albums that include his music that I own:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

241 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:14:30pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

How was your voice?

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:14:30pm

What sucks: interviewing for a job that would be perfect for you, being told that they are offering to another candidate, and, three weeks later, seeing the job go back up on Craigslist.

Should I reapply, or just mutter 'fuck 'em' and move on with my dignity sort of intact?

243 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:14:37pm

re: #196 windsagio

It's a reference to the late 80s censorship thing (the connection being that movie DF mentioned and Tipper)

2 Live Crew likes obscene lyrics and they got in trouble with the governor of the state:

Navarro ended up leaning on record stores to pull the album.

2LC's response was brilliant, they made that song making fun of Martinez and Navarro.

Uncle Luke cleaned himself up over the years and just ran in Miami's mayoral recall election. He didn't win but received 11% of the vote, about 20,000 votes and came in 4th place out of about 8 or 9 candidates.

[Link: www.hiphopdx.com...]

The wild thing is, the man made a lot of sense. Miami politics are a joke and he had a few good ideas.

244 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:14:46pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

Dear Lawd..Late Friday night.. Drank too many beers at the Lodge and sitting at home with Winston Watching the 1962 movie Hitler.. I guess it was a classic..So I need to check it out..
/Winston..Grab me a beer while you are up!
Lazy Dog...

Welcome back, Hoops! Were you in fine voice tonight?

245 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:14:52pm

re: #207 Sergey Romanov

Get the same thing with hulu and some other stuff. Thank IPU for torrents!

Have you tried hidemyass.com ?

246 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:14:59pm

Connecticut is so beautiful!

247 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:15:42pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

What sucks: interviewing for a job that would be perfect for you, being told that they are offering to another candidate, and, three weeks later, seeing the job go back up on Craigslist.

Should I reapply, or just mutter 'fuck 'em' and move on with my dignity sort of intact?

Re-apply. Fuck this shit, make them face the facts, i.e. tell you the story.

248 laZardo  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:16:27pm

re: #245 CuriousLurker

Have you tried hidemyass.com ?

IT'S AN FBI TRAP SITE

DON'T USE IT

/ :B

249 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:16:42pm

re: #245 CuriousLurker

Hey, CL!

I usually use ctunnel. Hey, I know all about proxies, I'm sitting in Tor as of this moment. It's just it's too much bother with these sites. Besides they're less fun since they're not truly international.

250 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:17:07pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

What sucks: interviewing for a job that would be perfect for you, being told that they are offering to another candidate, and, three weeks later, seeing the job go back up on Craigslist.

Should I reapply, or just mutter 'fuck 'em' and move on with my dignity sort of intact?

Go directly to the employer and ask them if they don't want to save time and money and hire you. What's to lose? In this day and age, jobs go to the bold.

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:17:43pm

re: #248 laZardo

IT'S AN FBI TRAP SITE

DON'T USE IT

/ :B

Do you mean trap as in... oh, too lazy right now.

252 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:18:00pm

re: #249 Sergey Romanov

Hey, CL!

I usually use ctunnel. Hey, I know all about proxies, I'm sitting in Tor as of this moment. It's just it's too much bother with these sites. Besides they're less fun since they're not truly international.

Yeah, I figured you probably knew about proxies. ;o)

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:18:07pm

So, I'm looking at an ad for a sperm bank donor--don't ask--and I read this:

We are constantly recruiting males from all ethnicities, religions, and races, but we currently have an increased need for Jewish, hispanic/Latino, full-blooded Italian, African American, and Filipino men. We also need full-blooded men of European descent with US citizenship.

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

254 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:19:11pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I'm looking at an ad for a sperm bank donor--don't ask--and I read this:

We are constantly recruiting males from all ethnicities, religions, and races, but we currently have an increased need for Jewish, hispanic/Latino, full-blooded Italian, African American, and Filipino men. We also need full-blooded men of European descent with US citizenship.

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

The "clout"

geeze

255 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:19:26pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

What sucks: interviewing for a job that would be perfect for you, being told that they are offering to another candidate, and, three weeks later, seeing the job go back up on Craigslist.

Should I reapply, or just mutter 'fuck 'em' and move on with my dignity sort of intact?

Reapply. A good job is a good job. They're too rare to be picky these days.

256 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:19:37pm

re: #248 laZardo

IT'S AN FBI TRAP SITE

DON'T USE IT

/ :B

Well, they must be gathering lots of interesting stuff on me 'cause I've been using it for quite a while and they still haven't come to kick my door down at 3am. LOL

257 jaunte  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:19:40pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

We don't want it to make any terror babies?

258 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:19:59pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I'm looking at an ad for a sperm bank donor--don't ask--and I read this:

We are constantly recruiting males from all ethnicities, religions, and races, but we currently have an increased need for Jewish, hispanic/Latino, full-blooded Italian, African American, and Filipino men. We also need full-blooded men of European descent with US citizenship.

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

They don't want the Irish? We're really older than the Euros.

[[Sob]]

259 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:20:26pm

re: #250 austin_blue

Go directly to the employer and ask them if they don't want to save time and money and hire you. What's to lose? In this day and age, jobs go to the bold.

qft - really SFZ, bold wins these days.

260 windsagio  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:20:41pm

re: #228 WindUpBird

hah I hadn't noticed that! He's all 'man I wonder if I could get some of that right there?'

261 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:21:32pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

The sperm bank is somehow affiliated with a certain doctor/lawyer/dentist?

262 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:21:43pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I'm looking at an ad for a sperm bank donor--don't ask--and I read this:

We are constantly recruiting males from all ethnicities, religions, and races, but we currently have an increased need for Jewish, hispanic/Latino, full-blooded Italian, African American, and Filipino men. We also need full-blooded men of European descent with US citizenship.

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

For wingnuts. That way if the wingnut couple can't get pregnant, at least they'll know the father was a "Real American!".

/This should be satire, but I fear it isn't.

263 laZardo  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:22:06pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I'm looking at an ad for a sperm bank donor--don't ask--and I read this:

We are constantly recruiting males from all ethnicities, religions, and races, but we currently have an increased need for Jewish, hispanic/Latino, full-blooded Italian, African American, and Filipino men. We also need full-blooded men of European descent with US citizenship.

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

Do they accept deliveries? ;D

264 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:22:25pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I'm looking at an ad for a sperm bank donor--don't ask--and I read this:

We are constantly recruiting males from all ethnicities, religions, and races, but we currently have an increased need for Jewish, hispanic/Latino, full-blooded Italian, African American, and Filipino men. We also need full-blooded men of European descent with US citizenship.

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

Interesting. An increase in desired minority sperm because of an increase in minorities? Minorities that will soon be the majority?

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:22:57pm

re: #263 laZardo

Do they accept deliveries? ;D

Probably not, but if you come back to California, we'll leave the light on, and a copy of Playboy with a cup out.

266 jaunte  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:23:05pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?


How do they carry their tiny little passports with no hands?

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:23:28pm

re: #264 prairiefire

Interesting. An increase in desired minority sperm because of an increase in minorities? Minorities that will soon be the majority?

Anyone here see "Made in America"? Funniest sperm donor movie EVAH.

268 laZardo  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:24:35pm

re: #261 publicityStunted

If I were a SEKRIT FILIPINO PRESIDENT I would:

Rig up a lechon rotisserie to the White House fireplace.
Hang a parol (those blinky Christmas star lanterns) on the window.
Hold mock crucifixions on the White House Lawn for Good Friday.
Keep my rice cooker on 24 hours a day, causing the entire area to be blanketed in a cloud of ominous steam (and prevent nosy photographers.)

/i could keep going

269 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:24:36pm

re: #266 jaunte

Luckily, there's a solution. They can write the pass info in their genomes now!

270 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:25:22pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I'm looking at an ad for a sperm bank donor--don't ask--and I read this:

We are constantly recruiting males from all ethnicities, religions, and races, but we currently have an increased need for Jewish, hispanic/Latino, full-blooded Italian, African American, and Filipino men. We also need full-blooded men of European descent with US citizenship.

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

What if the men are half-blooded or only - horror - quarter-blooded?

271 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:25:27pm

re: #244 austin_blue

re: #241 Stanley Sea

Thank you guys..I had fun..It was a packed Lodge tonight.. It's a whole Oklahoma Moose thing here in Norman this weekend.. It really starts up at 8am in the morning.. Goodness these Cowboys and Cowgirls know how to party in Oklahoma...You should have seen the leftover steak I brought home..You could feed a small city.. Winston is faint with excitement..
I love these people.. But honestly.. None of them could sing if their life depended on it..They cheer every singing as if Whitney Houston just sang..
I was #18.. It was pretty fun...

272 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:25:30pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I'm looking at an ad for a sperm bank donor--don't ask--and I read this:

We are constantly recruiting males from all ethnicities, religions, and races, but we currently have an increased need for Jewish, hispanic/Latino, full-blooded Italian, African American, and Filipino men. We also need full-blooded men of European descent with US citizenship.

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

Okay, just nit picking, but shouldn't that read men of full-blooded European descent? Unless you're worried about vampires applying or whatever.

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:25:43pm

re: #270 Sergey Romanov

(Looks more like an ad a vampire would put out /)

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:25:50pm

I've only been gone like a few minutes (2 hours) and there are 233 comments!

What did I miss?

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:26:01pm

re: #272 CuriousLurker

* head explosion *

276 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:26:09pm

re: #269 Sergey Romanov

Luckily, there's a solution. They can write the pass info in their genomes now!

...with this as the result.

277 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:26:20pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I'm looking at an ad for a sperm bank donor--don't ask--and I read this:

We are constantly recruiting males from all ethnicities, religions, and races, but we currently have an increased need for Jewish, hispanic/Latino, full-blooded Italian, African American, and Filipino men. We also need full-blooded men of European descent with US citizenship.

Why does the sperm need U.S. citizenship?

Now that everyone's had fun, probably there are legal issues with the different laws.

If this were a racist thing, Northern European blood would be more valuable, because you could promise that no sneaky Indian/African/Latino blood got in there if Sven's ancestors hadn't left the continent.

278 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:27:12pm

re: #273 Sergey Romanov

(Looks more like an ad a vampire would put out /)

LOL, GMTA

279 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:28:54pm

Also, how come only the Americans of European descent and the Italians need be full-blooded?

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:29:24pm

re: #277 EmmmieG

Now that everyone's had fun, probably there are legal issues with the different laws.

If this were a racist thing, Northern European blood would be more valuable, because you could promise that no sneaky Indian/African/Latino blood got in there if Sven's ancestors hadn't left the continent.

As I understand it, Sven's ancestors left the continent more than any other way back when . . . .

Really good seafaring people they were . . .

281 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:31:32pm

re: #280 ggt

As I understand it, Sven's ancestors left the continent more than any other way back when . . .

Really good seafaring people they were . . .

Yes, but Helga stayed home.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:31:34pm

re: #268 laZardo

If I were a SEKRIT FILIPINO PRESIDENT I would:

Rig up a lechon rotisserie to the White House fireplace.
Hang a parol (those blinky Christmas star lanterns) on the window.
Hold mock crucifixions on the White House Lawn for Good Friday.
Keep my rice cooker on 24 hours a day, causing the entire area to be blanketed in a cloud of ominous steam (and prevent nosy photographers.)

/i could keep going

I might vote for you in hopes of getting invited to a dinner. And you're still registered as a Republican, right?

(I once had a student write an essay for me about what he did over his Christmas break. He wrote, sadly, that he stayed with his grandparents, and had to eat homemade Filipino food, 'because there was nothing else'.

I told him that my heart bled for him.)

283 jvic  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:31:46pm

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

#210 jvic

My sense is that the police are coming to view themselves more as an overseer class than as public servants.

How do you figure?

1. For one thing, it's almost a corollary of the growth of the State.

2. The way they dress has changed. During the campus riots of the 1960s, police in some liberal jurisdictions dressed to blend in. Now the uniforms are explicit.

3. Small things: body language, blocking half a lane with their cruisers during traffic stops. In my semirural small town, it seems like I can't set out the trash without an officer pulling up to ask what I'm doing.

4. Another small thing: Lightning knocked my power out late one recent night. I called the power company and got transferred to the police dept. The officer on duty was polite and got a truck dispatched--but I noticed he addressed me by my first name when I called the outage in and when I called back to thank him. Not Mr. ____ or 'Sir', my first name. I'm in late middle age; he sounded in his twenties.

5. These are all straws in the wind, but they all seem to move in the same direction.

6. Most police IMO are conscientiously doing a difficult job, but there are always the few. The police are given more power, and power tends to corrupt.

7. The Agitator is a blog by a libertarian (nonpracticing) lawyer who tracks abuses of prosecutorial discretion and police authority.

284 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:33:16pm

re: #275 Sergey Romanov

* head explosion *

I'm shaking with the laughter. THANKS FOLKS

285 laZardo  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:33:16pm

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

I might vote for you in hopes of getting invited to a dinner. And you're still registered as a Republican, right?

(I once had a student write an essay for me about what he did over his Christmas break. He wrote, sadly, that he stayed with his grandparents, and had to eat homemade Filipino food, 'because there was nothing else'.

I told him that my heart bled for him.)

Unfortunately. I SWEAR I'LL BE GOING GREEN REAL SOON.

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:33:43pm

re: #270 Sergey Romanov

What if the men are half-blooded or only - horror - quarter-blooded?

God knows. I guess they want to be able to tell the prospective parents that they're getting some specific brand, but...bleah.

287 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:35:35pm

re: #284 Stanley Sea

The check for the laughter therapy is in the mail!/

288 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:35:53pm

Just checked my fb--nothing pissed me off.

Everyone can breathe a sigh of relief.

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:35:55pm

re: #277 EmmmieG

Now that everyone's had fun, probably there are legal issues with the different laws.

If this were a racist thing, Northern European blood would be more valuable, because you could promise that no sneaky Indian/African/Latino blood got in there if Sven's ancestors hadn't left the continent.

But if it's legal, why don't they seem to need the other men to be U.S. citizens?

And yes, my husband may be the blondest dude on our block, but as he pointed out, he is not 'full-blooded' anything, and I doubt most white men whose families have been here over two hundred years are either.

Some of them may not know it, or be less honest about it, but there it is.

290 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:37:42pm

re: #281 EmmmieG

Yes, but Helga stayed home.

Yeah, I know.

That would be why the whole "racial purity" concept is BOGUS! Unless you really compare humans to dogs any only go by a 4-generation pedigree . . . .

"Full-Blooded" WTF?

How can you tell? What, is there lab work that can be done?

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:37:46pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

Isn't "full-blooded" here a reference to masculinity/virility something like this, rather than racial-ethnic somethingorothers?

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:38:02pm

re: #279 EmmmieG

Also, how come only the Americans of European descent and the Italians need be full-blooded?

Probably because a lot of people are a little Italian, like a lot of people are a little Irish, but the people who ask for "Italian" want the full fettucine carbonara.

As for the European descent part, I have no clue.

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:38:43pm

re: #281 EmmmieG

Yes, but Helga stayed home.

Not always...women went out to the new settlements, and sometimes on trading expeditions. Not a-viking so much.

294 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:39:07pm

re: #277 EmmmieG

Now that everyone's had fun, probably there are legal issues with the different laws.

If this were a racist thing, Northern European blood would be more valuable, because you could promise that no sneaky Indian/African/Latino blood got in there if Sven's ancestors hadn't left the continent.

I'm guessing legal issues too, but then wouldn't they all have to be citizens?

I worked with a woman about 25 years ago who had a son from a sperm donor. I don't think I ever met anyone like her since or before. She told me she requested full-blood Iranian lineage. It's what she wanted.

She was an odd-duck. Not from her sperm selection. But she came from an extremely wealthy family. Old family money. Turned her back on her roots, lived alone, worked and wanted a kid, so she had one. I knew a few g/fs like that (minus the kid).

295 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:39:40pm

OT & apropos of nothing, I wanted to post this because I really enjoyed the photos. Very fierce looking ladies. So lovely to see their agility & grace of form, their youth, their excellent physical condition...

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

296 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:40:27pm

re: #283 jvic

How do you figure?

1. For one thing, it's almost a corollary of the growth of the State.

2. The way they dress has changed. During the campus riots of the 1960s, police in some liberal jurisdictions dressed to blend in. Now the uniforms are explicit.

3. Small things: body language, blocking half a lane with their cruisers during traffic stops. In my semirural small town, it seems like I can't set out the trash without an officer pulling up to ask what I'm doing.

4. Another small thing: Lightning knocked my power out late one recent night. I called the power company and got transferred to the police dept. The officer on duty was polite and got a truck dispatched--but I noticed he addressed me by my first name when I called the outage in and when I called back to thank him. Not Mr. ___ or 'Sir', my first name. I'm in late middle age; he sounded in his twenties.

5. These are all straws in the wind, but they all seem to move in the same direction.

6. Most police IMO are conscientiously doing a difficult job, but there are always the few. The police are given more power, and power tends to corrupt.

7. The Agitator is a blog by a libertarian (nonpracticing) lawyer who tracks abuses of prosecutorial discretion and police authority.

honestly, I wouldn't read anything into 4. He may have been trained to use your first name in that situation, as a means of putting you at ease.

297 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:40:36pm

re: #295 CuriousLurker

OT & apropos of nothing, I wanted to post this because I really enjoyed the photos. Very fierce looking ladies. So lovely to see their agility & grace of form, their youth, their excellent physical condition...

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

I like the one of the little child and his mom with the face painting of the flags.

298 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:40:36pm

re: #291 Sergey Romanov

Isn't "full-blooded" here a reference to masculinity/virility something like this, rather than racial-ethnic somethingorothers?

Both. It depends on the context.

299 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:41:26pm

re: #297 ggt

I like the one of the little child and his mom with the face painting of the flags.

Yeah, that one was cute.

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:41:27pm

re: #291 Sergey Romanov

Isn't "full-blooded" here a reference to masculinity/virility something like this, rather than racial-ethnic somethingorothers?

I think they do mean ethnically, since it's applied only to certain groups.

If it's masculinity, that's even funnier. "I'm sorry, you're in great health, wonderful sperm motility, educated, young...but you seem a little light in the loafers to us, and we need only FULL-BLOODED Italian men."

301 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:41:29pm

re: #298 CuriousLurker

I guess is they say "full-blooded Italian" but don't use it for others, my hypothesis is wrong. Still, weird.

302 laZardo  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:41:48pm

re: #290 ggt

Yeah, I know.

That would be why the whole "racial purity" concept is BOGUS! Unless you really compare humans to dogs any only go by a 4-generation pedigree . . .

"Full-Blooded" WTF?

How can you tell? What, is there lab work that can be done?

Looking up my lineage, I is a mutt. :3

/interestingly, our national football team is called the Azkals, shorthand for asong kalye meaning street dog but also loosely translated as mutt.

303 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:42:44pm

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

1. For one thing, it's almost a corollary of the growth of the State.

2. The way they dress has changed. During the campus riots of the 1960s, police in some liberal jurisdictions dressed to blend in. Now the uniforms are explicit.

3. Small things: body language, blocking half a lane with their cruisers during traffic stops. In my semirural small town, it seems like I can't set out the trash without an officer pulling up to ask what I'm doing.

4. Another small thing: Lightning knocked my power out late one recent night. I called the power company and got transferred to the police dept. The officer on duty was polite and got a truck dispatched--but I noticed he addressed me by my first name when I called the outage in and when I called back to thank him. Not Mr. ___ or 'Sir', my first name. I'm in late middle age; he sounded in his twenties.

5. These are all straws in the wind, but they all seem to move in the same direction.

6. Most police IMO are conscientiously doing a difficult job, but there are always the few. The police are given more power, and power tends to corrupt.

7. The Agitator is a blog by a libertarian (nonpracticing) lawyer who tracks abuses of prosecutorial discretion and police authority.

honestly, I wouldn't read anything into 4. He may have been trained to use your first name in that situation, as a means of putting you at ease.

All, I know is that I wouldn't want to be a cop. No way, no how.

Everybody hates you and lies to you. Marriage failure rate is high and everytime you stop someone or serve a warrent, you could get killed.

I totally get why cops have an attitude.

304 jvic  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:43:17pm

re: #290 ggt

."Full-Blooded" WTF?

How can you tell? What, is there lab work that can be done?

My impression is that it can, now or soon.

I don't follow this issue, but physicist Steve Hsu posts about it from time to time.

305 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:43:35pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

But if it's legal, why don't they seem to need the other men to be U.S. citizens?

And yes, my husband may be the blondest dude on our block, but as he pointed out, he is not 'full-blooded' anything, and I doubt most white men whose families have been here over two hundred years are either.

Some of them may not know it, or be less honest about it, but there it is.

Actually, my husband's family joined the LDS church in either Scandinavia or England and came straight to Utah/Idaho, so he actually would be. He's precisely 1/2 English and 1/2 Scandinavian.

Not that he would be the least bit tempted by that offer, but it (the ability to so cleanly track your ancestors) amazes me because my ancestors fall into the 200 years category and I have to start breaking it down into 1/128ths with a fair amount of "Not really sures."

306 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:44:24pm

re: #302 laZardo

Looking up my lineage, I is a mutt. :3

/interestingly, our national football team is called the Azkals, shorthand for asong kalye meaning street dog but also loosely translated as mutt.

Even if you think you know your lineage, you don't. Without DNA testing all the way back. You don't know "whose car was parked next door".

307 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:46:07pm

I know people here are really down on CATO, but they have a really good series on how to deal with cops. Can I link it?

308 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:46:43pm

Seriously? We have a goalie named Hope Solo? A very pretty goalie named Hope Solo?

Somewhere, there is an opportunity going to waste here.

309 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:46:58pm

re: #303 ggt

All, I know is that I wouldn't want to be a cop. No way, no how.

Everybody hates you and lies to you. Marriage failure rate is high and everytime you stop someone or serve a warrent, you could get killed.

I totally get why cops have an attitude.

Police have a high marriage failure rate by the nature of the job. Family events can get called off on a moment's notice and the job lends itself to severe stress and sometimes PTSD. Someone who is damaged and often absent is unlikely to be easy to deal with.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:47:07pm

My mother has asked a couple of times if I'd be interested in doing the whole ancestry-testing thing. But I'm fairly sure about what's in there, and if there's something else...well, interesting, but also, who cares? I mean, since you can't know who these people are...who cares if you're some little percentage something you didn't expect?

If it gets cheap and easy, perhaps.

311 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:48:01pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Police have a high marriage failure rate by the nature of the job. Family events can get called off on a moment's notice and the job lends itself to severe stress and sometimes PTSD. Someone who is damaged and often absent is unlikely to be easy to deal with.

I remember how hard it used to be on my mom. Full moons were a problem. Cops are firm believers that full moons make people crazy. My mom would look at the sky at night and stress out.

312 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:48:14pm

re: #308 EmmmieG

Seriously? We have a goalie named Hope Solo? A very pretty goalie named Hope Solo?

Somewhere, there is an opportunity going to waste here.

You're right:

Greedo shot first!

I had to say it.

313 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:48:16pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother has asked a couple of times if I'd be interested in doing the whole ancestry-testing thing. But I'm fairly sure about what's in there, and if there's something else...well, interesting, but also, who cares? I mean, since you can't know who these people are...who cares if you're some little percentage something you didn't expect?

If it gets cheap and easy, perhaps.

I might want to know for medical reasons. I think that stuff is really interesting.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:48:44pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother has asked a couple of times if I'd be interested in doing the whole ancestry-testing thing. But I'm fairly sure about what's in there, and if there's something else...well, interesting, but also, who cares? I mean, since you can't know who these people are...who cares if you're some little percentage something you didn't expect?

If it gets cheap and easy, perhaps.

And if I find a place I trust to interpret the results. Apparently someone told Oprah some really specific stuff about her ancestry, which other people say is not something you can tell from genetic work.

315 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:48:55pm

re: #311 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember how hard it used to be on my mom. Full moons were a problem. Cops are firm believers that full moons make people crazy. My mom would look at the sky at night and stress out.

Cops are vampire hunters?

316 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:49:47pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

You're right:

Greedo shot first!

I had to say it.

What does greedo mean?

317 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:50:09pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Is that a principled stand or just a quirk you have? /

318 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:50:50pm

re: #316 CuriousLurker

The guy on the left:

Image: Greedo_shoots_first.jpg

319 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:51:15pm

re: #318 Sergey Romanov

Uh sorry, that's right.

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:51:24pm

re: #313 ggt

I might want to know for medical reasons. I think that stuff is really interesting.

It is cool. I just think that if you run me through, what you get is "Assorted Northern-to-Central European, and Ashkenazi".

I'd be more interested in running the husband--I'm curious about my MIL's assertion of black ancestors. (I've mentioned before, I can't tell if she knows something, or if she's just torturing her family.)

321 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:52:23pm

re: #319 Sergey Romanov

Uh sorry, that's right.

I still don't get it. Never mind, not important.

322 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:52:28pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

I tell my kids they are 7 shades of white and 1/2 Japanese. My husband is a full 100% er and that seems rather rare now adays.

323 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:53:17pm

re: #321 CuriousLurker

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

324 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:53:26pm

re: #322 prairiefire

I tell my kids they are 7 shades of white and 1/2 Japanese. My husband is a full 100% er and that seems rather rare now adays.

what is a full 100% er?

325 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:55:12pm

re: #324 ggt

what is a full 100% er?

Both his parents are full Japanese. He is 2nd generation American.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:55:20pm

re: #321 CuriousLurker

I still don't get it. Never mind, not important.

Star Wars reference. Greedo is a character shot by Han Solo in the first Star Wars movie. The question of who fires first is a source of considerable friction between George Lucas and his fans.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

327 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:55:34pm

Someone told me I looked "french" the other day.

What does "french" look like?

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:56:10pm

re: #325 prairiefire

Both his parents are full Japanese. He is 2nd generation American.

ah, I was wondering if "er" was something I didn't understand.

329 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:56:27pm

re: #327 ggt

Someone told me I looked "french" the other day.

What does "french" look like?

Sarcastic?

330 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:56:38pm

re: #321 CuriousLurker

I still don't get it. Never mind, not important.

Her name is Hope Solo. That in my sci-fi nerd mind begged for a Star Wars joke.

331 Ben Jhazi  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:56:46pm

re: #321 CuriousLurker

I still don't get it. Never mind, not important.

You have no idea how important it is!!!

332 jvic  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:56:50pm

re: #307 ggt

I know people here are really down on CATO, but they have a really good series on how to deal with cops. Can I link it?

1. I'm not in charge here, but I think highly of Cato. If/when my cash flow resumes, so will my donations to Cato.

2. There's also the Flex Your Rights site.

3. My previous post neglected to mention the militarization of the police & spread of SWAT tactics because of the expletives deleted Drug War.

333 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:57:02pm

re: #323 Sergey Romanov

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Okay, I had to chew on that for a minute after reading it. The link isn't to soccer, it's to the goalie's name. Han Solo/Hope Solo

D'uh.

334 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:57:53pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

Her name is Hope Solo. That in my sci-fi nerd mind begged for a Star Wars joke.

Yeah, I finally figured it out, thanks. O_o

335 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:58:05pm

re: #332 jvic

1. I'm not in charge here, but I think highly of Cato. If/when my cash flow resumes, so will my donations to Cato.

2. There's also the Flex Your Rights site.

3. My previous post neglected to mention the militarization of the police & spread of SWAT tactics because of the expletives deleted Drug War.

Flex Your Rights is the site that Cato links as well.

I ordered the videos about traffic stops, as my son is soon getting his license. Very important, IMHO.

Cops have a difficult job, I think it is important to know how to behave.

336 Ben Jhazi  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 9:59:31pm

re: #335 ggt


Cops have a difficult job, I think it is important to know how to behave.

I have a simple rule that involves being on my best behavior when around people with guns...

337 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:00:04pm

re: #329 prairiefire

Sarcastic?

Me? Can a person look sarcastic?

My father said his family "came over with the Normans" to Wales. At least, that is the family myth. That was back in 1066? So, in my mind, any french genes that may or may not have been mixed with the Norse are way, way diluted.

338 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:00:33pm

re: #333 CuriousLurker

Okay, I had to chew on that for a minute after reading it. The link isn't to soccer, it's to the goalie's name. Han Solo/Hope Solo

D'uh.

There is a delightful series of...sort of fan fiction...set around the Star Wars prequel trilogy, a few pieces of which feature an intrepid young lady named Gretel Solo.

She, in fact, designs the AT-AT Walker, but discards the idea because it's stupid--anyone could destroy one by tangling the legs. The page she drew them on gets picked up by Palpatine, and the rest, as they say...

339 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:00:46pm

re: #335 ggt

The MO state troopers look impressive in their uniforms and hats. They are usually fit, hunky guys. I've never seen a dumpy looking state trooper.

340 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:01:03pm

re: #336 JasonA

I have a simple rule that involves being on my best behavior when around people with guns...

Right, but you don't know if that guy with the gun is being a dick or not. You don't have to let them in your house or let them search your car in most situations. The videos are really, really revealing.

341 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:01:45pm

re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist

Nice ad hoc right there.

342 Ben Jhazi  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:02:21pm

re: #340 ggt

Right, but you don't know if that guy with the gun is being a dick or not. You don't have to let them in your house or let them search your car in most situations. The videos are really, really revealing.

I know, I've watched them. Most cops I've dealt with have been cool. I tend to check the attitude at the door and thing's tend to go well.

343 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:02:42pm

Star Wars vs Star Trek?

344 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:02:57pm

re: #332 jvic

Cato promotes global warming denial and Austrian economic foolishness, too.

345 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:03:24pm

re: #337 ggt

I would take is as a compliment. From what I can tell, they are a stylish people. Adam Gopnick's memoir "From Paris to the Moon" is a great insight into the Parisian animal.

346 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:03:37pm

re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist

There is a delightful series of...sort of fan fiction...set around the Star Wars prequel trilogy, a few pieces of which feature an intrepid young lady named Gretel Solo.

She, in fact, designs the AT-AT Walker, but discards the idea because it's stupid--anyone could destroy one by tangling the legs. The page she drew them on gets picked up by Palpatine, and the rest, as they say...

Okay, the only part I understood out of that was Star Wars. Seriously, LOL. I saw it when it originally came out back in the 70's, and that was it—no sequels, prequels, nada. I loved the original, but I rarely watch films twice and I'm not a sci-fi fan so...

347 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:05:18pm

re: #345 prairiefire

I would take is as a compliment. From what I can tell, they are a stylish people. Adam Gopnick's memoir "From Paris to the Moon" is a great insight into the Parisian animal.

Ok, I will.

:)

348 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:05:34pm

re: #339 prairiefire

The MO state troopers look impressive in their uniforms and hats. They are usually fit, hunky guys. I've never seen a dumpy looking state trooper.

Same for the Jersey state troopers. Oh! NYC cops in their winter uniforms with the turtlenecks—*swoon*

349 jvic  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:07:08pm

re: #332 jvic

3. My previous post neglected to mention the militarization of the police & spread of SWAT tactics because of the expletives deleted Drug War.

Please don't tell this to the Sekrit Libertarian Conspiracy to Unleash Anarchy, but my previous post also neglected to mention that I am...(looks around carefully)...on a first-name basis with a couple of local police.

350 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:07:23pm

re: #348 CuriousLurker

Same for the Jersey state troopers. Oh! NYC cops in their winter uniforms with the turtlenecks—*swoon*

FIREMEN!

351 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:10:03pm

My aunt's dishwasher chimes a little tune when it is done. Crazy.
Night, lizards.

352 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:11:02pm

Okay, my dear lizards, it's time for me to go fill out my timesheet and recharge my brain cells. Have a great night.

353 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:11:27pm

re: #351 prairiefire

My aunt's dishwasher chimes a little tune when it is done. Crazy.
Night, lizards.

That would irritate the hell out of me.

I don't like inanimate objects that tell me what to do--especially alarm clocks.

So, I"d better follow suit (suite?)..

Have a great morning all!

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:11:58pm

re: #350 ggt

FIREMEN!

HOPE!

355 Ben Jhazi  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:13:09pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HOPE!

Gives new meaning to "sneaking one past the goalie."

And with that I banish myself for the night...

357 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:17:54pm

re: #351 prairiefire

My aunt's dishwasher chimes a little tune when it is done. Crazy.
Night, lizards.

My husband reports that his friend's cell phone's ring for when the girlfriend calls is her voice saying "Ring ring ring. Ring ring ring."

358 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:22:51pm

re: #344 Obdicut

Cato promotes global warming denial and Austrian economic foolishness, too.

Sometimes a person or org is strong on some issues and weak on others. Cato is one such org.

359 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:33:13pm

Goodnight, all.

360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:39:45pm

re: #200 WindUpBird

sampling in the 80's was a big deal, not a lot of easy to use gera out there

There's this weird ass 80's 8-bit sampling keyboard I want called a Mirage, it sounds awesome if you're into the whole circuit-bent-corroded-digital sound

I remember the Mirage.[Link: www.vintagesynth.com...]

361 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:44:24pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother has asked a couple of times if I'd be interested in doing the whole ancestry-testing thing. But I'm fairly sure about what's in there, and if there's something else...well, interesting, but also, who cares? I mean, since you can't know who these people are...who cares if you're some little percentage something you didn't expect?

If it gets cheap and easy, perhaps.

They are good for adoptees. I got mine about 6 years ago and wasn't surprised about the mix, which is pretty typical - Sub saharan African, Euro, Native American, but I was surprised at the percentages.

362 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 10:47:11pm

re: #361 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

"Sub saharan African, Euro, Native American....

Jealous.

363 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 11:01:29pm

re: #362 Alexzander

Jealous.

It's pretty standard mix for African Americans. Now to figure out just where in Africa, Europe and Native America. And get a second opinion, see what some other DNA company says about the mix.

364 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 11:06:26pm

I have Swedish and Norwegian great (great?) grandparents that came over from to the US after converting to Mormonism (no kidding). But its mostly English/Scottish heritage happening in my recent past.

365 Flavia  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 11:18:36pm

I must have some sort of hyperfocus (as in "when I look at the cross I can barely even see the faces") OR some sort of defect (see previous explanation). I had to "cheat" & shift my eyes slightly to even see a hint of what they were talking about - but it only lasted for bits of a second, because then my eyes focused on the actual faces.

366 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 11:19:58pm

Okay now you all got me tempted to have my DNA run. I traced back as best I could before the internet services got going. Traced my family name back to the colonial ship Mary & John. 1630
Whether I have a direct line that far back I do not know. I could only get a paper trail back 5 generations. All born here in the USA or way back Canada. My family has deep American roots.

367 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 11:22:38pm

re: #366 Rightwingconspirator

Anyone with First Nations heritage has got you beat; they go back 20,000 years.

368 simoom  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 11:25:29pm

Oh for f#@k's sake:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

At a closed-door meeting Friday morning, GOP leaders turned to their most trusted budget expert, Rep. Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, to explain to rank-and-file members what many others have come to understand: A fiscal meltdown could occur if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling.

House Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio underscored the point to dispel the notion that failure to allow more borrowing is an option.

"He said if we pass Aug. 2, it would be like 'Star Wars,'" said Rep. Scott DesJarlais, a freshman from Tennessee. "I don't think the people who are railing against raising the debt ceiling fully understand that."

The warnings appeared to have softened the views of at least some House members who, until now, were inclined to dismiss statements by administration officials, business leaders and outside economists that the economic impact would be dire if the federal government were suddenly unable to pay its bills.

Freshman Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.) said the presentation about skyrocketing interest rates that could result from downgraded bond ratings was "sobering."

Wouldn't it have been much better for the leadership to point this out to the tea-party caucus types a long time ago, back when they first started mouthing the BS in public? (the whole idea that not-raising the debt ceiling at all was an avenue to "getting our fiscal house in order" and that the market would actually reward going down that road).

I guess this also shows President Obama has been using the wrong rhetoric and metaphors when making his case. All he needed to have said was, "it would be like 'Star Wars,'" and presto, crisis averted!

369 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 11:47:33pm

re: #367 Alexzander

That's why my American Indian friend called me a "mayflower wetback". Cracked me right up.

370 laZardo  Fri, Jul 15, 2011 11:50:40pm

re: #366 Rightwingconspirator

Okay now you all got me tempted to have my DNA run. I traced back as best I could before the internet services got going. Traced my family name back to the colonial ship Mary & John. 1630
Whether I have a direct line that far back I do not know. I could only get a paper trail back 5 generations. All born here in the USA or way back Canada. My family has deep American roots.

Speaking of history, I have a Philippine Revolutionary as my great grandmother.

Then when Emilio Aguinaldo decided to have her first husband (Andres Bonifacio) killed, she decided he could GFH and left him to get run over by the Americans. :P

371 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:16:24am

re: #370 laZardo

That's pretty cool. I have some interest in the history there. Came out of quite a few years taking escrima lessons.

372 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:24:40am

I guess rendering 1020p video is going to tax even an I7 4 core chip. I put together a song by a friends band from a few years ago with some beautiful stormy sky footage. looks good, but the export render is taking a while.

373 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:36:30am

re: #210 jvic

My sense is that the police are coming to view themselves more as an overseer class than as public servants.

We have some notion that there is a linear relationship: more police = more security.

But there is a point of dimishing returns, and I believe we have started to hit it: one bad cop can undo or undermine the work of dozens of good cops. And when an entire police force goes bad on us, it can really damage our entire nation's well being.

374 Firstinla  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:40:18am

re: #361 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I did the mouth swab for DNA testings and sent it away. The results came back and destroyed most of the family's myths. Supposedly Irish on both sides: test results showed no Irish or English or Scot, etc. All the markers are for southern Mediterranean ancestry. Can't imagine what my poor old grandmother would think.

375 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:26:10am

Morning Honcos. Looks like some people forgot to shut down their computer last night.

376 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:29:51am

some people take long showers...

377 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:36:29am

"He slipped and went into the machine. He was still conscious at the time," Ferris said. "So I can imagine the agony he was in and he lost both of his legs in this accident."

It took about two hours to free Raper, but the trauma was just too much.
[Link: www.ksdk.com...]

Ouch.

378 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:39:45am

re: #373 ralphieboy

We have some notion that there is a linear relationship: more police = more security.

But there is a point of dimishing returns, and I believe we have started to hit it: one bad cop can undo or undermine the work of dozens of good cops. And when an entire police force goes bad on us, it can really damage our entire nation's well being.

It's an authoritarian mentality. Some people "feel" safer in the presence of cops, so presume everyone does, or should. Because they know good cops, they extrapolate their limited experience to all police.

Oddly, these are the same people telling us what rugged individuals they are, complete with all that legendary personal responsibility. Others have a more realistic view.

379 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:42:00am

re: #378 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's an authoritarian mentality. Some people "feel" safer in the presence of cops, so presume everyone does, or should. Because they know good cops, they extrapolate their limited experience to all police.

Oddly, these are the same people telling us what rugged individuals they are, complete with all that legendary personal responsibility. Others have a more realistic view.

Yes. See: RogueOne.

380 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:47:45am

And then the question arises, as it must: who will police the police?

We are raised on a diet of police and detective series where we see the criminal commit the act and then cynically exploit our system of law and justice to escape his due punishment.

But it is not as simple as that. Unfortunately, we are programmed for simple, and many of us long for simpler times when criminals were easily identified by the color of their skin, length of hair or choice of dress and association.

All the police had to do was crack a few heads and Law and Order were magically restored.

Maricopa County, Arizona is a fine example of what you get when you want law and order and Low Taxes at the same time: Sherrif Joe Arpaio.

381 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:07:09am

re: #380 ralphieboy

When police crack down!!!

382 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:25:05am

Golden Tate says Jimmy Johnson shouldn't be nominated for an Athlete of the Year ESPY. Funny, I don't know who Golden Tate is...
[Link: aol.sportingnews.com...]
But I am sure Golden Tate is on the list of nominees, right?
[Link: www.chiff.com...]
No? Wonder why?
[Link: espn.go.com...]
FWIW, I'm not bashing Mr. Tate. He just needs to worry more about his game and worry less about an awards show.

383 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:47:04am

re: #381 Cannadian Club Akbar

When police crack down!!!

Government interfering with "job creators"

384 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:54:17am

For those who have read my NDA piece, here's a Rus-lang news item about the visit:

Youtube Video
385 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:09:12am

re: #380 ralphieboy

Arizona must be destroyed

386 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:09:59am
Youtube Video
387 windsagio  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:11:59am

re: #380 ralphieboy

Joe Arpaio is, literally, a nazi.

He makes America look like the Khmer Rouge.

388 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:13:26am

re: #385 WindUpBird

Arizona must be destroyed

I assume that is meant in the figurative or ironic sense.

But it looks like they will need a serious scandal to begin to learn that Law and order costs money: the low-rent version leads to excesses and abuse, and ultimately breeds monsters like Sherrif Joe with his chain gangs and tent cities

389 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:16:59am

re: #386 WindUpBird

oh, my ears

390 laZardo  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:18:40am

re: #385 WindUpBird

Arizona must be destroyed

Youtube Video
391 laZardo  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:21:55am

re: #390 laZardo

Although it is a rather ironic stroke of fate that he ended up playing a cop on TV. q:

392 researchok  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:26:42am

Morning, all

393 mdey  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:27:49am

re: #391 laZardo

It was actually Ice T's band Body Count that recorded Cop Killer.

394 mdey  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:29:37am

re: #392 researchok

What's up?

395 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:29:39am

re: #393 mdey

It was actually Ice T's band Body Count that recorded Cop Killer.

Saw them at Lalapolooza (sp?) They also came back on stage and played with Jane's Addiction.

396 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:30:54am

re: #392 researchok

Morning, all

I googled "Michele Bachmann Reverend Wright" yesterday. Your page was #5.:)

397 mdey  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:31:18am

re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw them open up for in Oakland for Metallica and Guns N Roses. I think it was 92.

398 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:37:14am

re: #397 mdey

I saw them open up for in Oakland for Metallica and Guns N Roses. I think it was 92.

I saw GNR, Metallica and Soundgarden. Axl was an hour late to the stage. Whatta douche.

399 mdey  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:42:13am

I no Axl is a dick, but he showed up and did pretty well the two times I saw him. The other time was when GNR opened up for Aerosmith.

400 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:47:48am

An interesting article about human rights abuses in Tibet - starting with the Lamaist abuses: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I liked this bit:

Judicial mutilation - principally the gouging out of eyes, and the cutting off of hands or feet - which was formalized under the Sakya school as part of the 13th century Tibetan legal code, was used as a legal punishment until being declared illegal in 1913 by a proclamation of the 13th Dalai Lama.[31] This is one of the practices that had been eradicated by the Dalai Lama's reforms.[32][33][34]

Yet, incidents of mutilation have been recorded in Tibet in the period between the start of the 20th Century and the Chinese occupation. Tibetan communist Phuntso Wangye recalled his anger at seeing freshly severed human ears hanging from the gate of the county headquarters in Damshung north of Lhasa in 1945.[35] The top level Tibetan official Lungshar's eyes were gouged out by direct order of the Kashag or Tibetan Government was carried out in 1934.[36] An attempt was made at anesthetizing the alleged criminal with intoxicants before performing the punishment, which unfortunately did not work well.[36]

Yeah, they were occupied by bad guys. But on their own they weren't much better (if at all).

401 mdey  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:54:12am

Just had an earthquake in California.

402 mdey  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:56:20am

re: #401 mdey

A small one, probably 3 or 4 on the richter scale. That's what it felt like.

403 researchok  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:01:18am

re: #394 mdey

All quiet here

404 researchok  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:01:39am

re: #396 Cannadian Club Akbar

I googled "Michele Bachmann Reverend Wright" yesterday. Your page was #5.:)

damn!

405 researchok  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:06:19am

Treasury Direct.

Here's a chance to do your part

406 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:07:40am

re: #405 researchok

Treasury Direct.

Here's a chance to do your part

I would but I have a beer payment coming up.

407 mdey  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:08:30am

re: #403 researchok

pretty much.

408 laZardo  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:09:20am

re: #405 researchok

Treasury Direct.

Here's a chance to do your part

Just mail them gold coins, remind them where the real value of money lies!

409 researchok  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:10:10am

re: #408 laZardo

At 1500 an ounce, they'd be thrilled.

410 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:16:14am

re: #409 researchok

At 1500 an ounce, they'd be thrilled.

Send them dollar coins. Wait...
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

411 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:17:30am

re: #379 Cannadian Club Akbar

Some look to government to tuck them in their bed safe at night with a kiss on the forehead and some don't. Toss in a big helping of authority issues and you're close to my kind of people.

412 researchok  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:18:26am

L.A. County does not have to require condoms for porn actors, court rules

Los Angeles County public health officials do not need to require porn industry performers to wear condoms to protect against the spread of AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases, an appeals court affirmed Friday.

The Second District Court of Appeals upheld an earlier ruling that dismissed a petition from AIDS activists to force the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health to mandate condoms during the filming of hardcore pornography.

AIDS Healthcare Foundation had gone to court to compel county officials to act, arguing that they had "passively observed an ever-growing epidemic" within the porn industry. The foundation argued that the health department had documented thousands of sexually transmitted diseases among adult film stars and attributed the epidemic "to a lack of protection equipment for performers, including condoms."

413 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:20:34am

re: #411 RogueOne

Some look to government to tuck them in their bed safe at night with a kiss on the forehead and some don't. Toss in a big helping of authority issues and you're close to my kind of people.

"Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

414 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:21:45am

re: #412 researchok

L.A. County does not have to require condoms for porn actors, court rules

Keep the gubment out of my reservoir tip!!!
///

415 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:32:24am

re: #137 windsagio

Told the story before, so I'll do the short version. I was arrested for shoplifting a store I was nowhere near, they wouldn't check my readily checkable alibi (I was in another store for an hour at the time), held me in the back of a car for several hours, lied to, intimidated, lied to again, had to pay for a lawyer, and eventually had all charges dropped.

Cops really really shouldn't be able to lie to suspects to get them to confess things.

I lost a wallet and someone used my DL to sell stolen goods to a pawn shop in OH. An officer called me and asked that I come down and talk to him, I was young and dumb and hadn't grasped the whole "Never speak to the police" theory yet so I agreed. He lied, threatened, and tried to intimidate me into admitting to it. I walked out of the interview with a much better understanding that they'll do whatever it takes to pin something on people. I haven't answered an officers question in the 25 years since.

416 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:33:16am

I can't believe I missed the whole "down with the man!" thread. It's been that kind of week.

417 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:01:55am

Collinsville outlaws saggy pants
[Link: www.bnd.com...]


The City Council in the southwestern Illinois community voted 3-2 on Monday to ban saggy pants.

The Belleville News-Democrat reports the ordinance forbids pants that ride lower than 3 to 4 inches below the waistline of the underwear. A first offense is punishable with a $100 fine, while a second offense would carry a $300 fine plus 40 hours of community service.

The ordinance was passed over the objections of City Manager Bob Knabel, who argued that enforcing it would sidetrack police officers from more important issues.

But Councilman Mike Tognarelli says he trusts officers to use good judgment. He contends saggy pants are a symbol of gang activity and Collinsville residents don't need to put up with it.

Well of course he does because we have reams of evidence of officers using good judgment when it comes to dealing with young black men.

418 laZardo  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:12:03am

re: #417 RogueOne

Whoever said it was limited to blacks?

/

419 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:12:06am

I found a reference to LGF in this photo slideshow (via Reason):

"A Tour of the World's Worst Photoshop Propaganda"
[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]

The site seems to be down for maintenance at the moment. I believe it was a pic in 2007 from Iran. Something about militants using US made ammo.

420 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:14:25am

re: #418 laZardo

Whoever said it was limited to blacks?

/

That song is on my phone. "But they didn't have Ice Cube so he bought Vanilla Ice"!

421 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:14:37am

re: #419 RogueOne

I found a reference to LGF in this photo slideshow (via Reason):

"A Tour of the World's Worst Photoshop Propaganda"
[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]

The site seems to be down for maintenance at the moment. I believe it was a pic in 2007 from Iran. Something about militants using US made ammo.

Could have been the Reuters photoshop where they made 1 explosion into 3 in Gaza or where ever.

422 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:15:50am

re: #421 Cannadian Club Akbar

Could have been the Reuters photoshop where they made 1 explosion into 3 in Gaza or where ever.

That was in there too. The reference to LGF was in between those 2 photos and it wasn't entirely clear to me which one they were crediting LGF with finding.

423 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:19:07am

Here's the cached page:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

While we imagine our tour could stretch rather far back in time (are there any Stalin-era photos on the web?), we'll end in 2007, when the blog Little Green Footballs accused Iran's Fars News Agency of PhotoShopping U.S.-made weaponry that it claimed terrorists in southeastern Iran were using.



Image: Iran%20Photoshop%203.jpg

424 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:19:24am

A new movie about how we are all gonna die. Makes me think of the movie with Dustin Hoffman and the monkeys.

Youtube Video
425 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:21:19am

re: #423 RogueOne

I know ZERO about using photoshop and I could have done better than those pics. Hell, I can't draw but could have drawn better in those pics.

426 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:22:30am

re: #424 Cannadian Club Akbar

They could make that better by adding zombies.

427 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:26:35am

re: #424 Cannadian Club Akbar

Looks good.

428 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:32:43am

re: #427 Sergey Romanov

Looks good.

I did a quick look over the comments. Ran across one that said it was a movie to distract us from the new world order being created. Or something.

429 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:33:31am

re: #428 Cannadian Club Akbar

Aren't they all? /

430 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:36:22am

re: #429 Sergey Romanov

Aren't they all? /

According to this, yes. (I hate to post this but it is relevant. Check out these comments)
[Link: www.infowars.com...]

431 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:36:36am

re: #400 Sergey Romanov

An interesting article about human rights abuses in Tibet - starting with the Lamaist abuses: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I liked this bit:

Yeah, they were occupied by bad guys. But on their own they weren't much better (if at all).

I've seen a documentary (admittedly using Chinese propaganda footage) of evidence of atrocities under the religious rulers. It included a surprisingly intact human pelt that had hung 'to encourage the others".

432 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:37:49am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thanks! {nerd on}BTW, re: posting - it's OK in the comments, IMHO. The comments are not searched by Google, so that site's PageRank is not increased. In any other venue a noindex tag can be used.{nerd off}

433 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:39:58am

re: #432 Sergey Romanov

Thanks! {nerd on}BTW, re: posting - it's OK in the comments, IMHO. The comments are not searched by Google, so that site's PageRank is not increased. In any other venue a noindex tag can be used.{nerd off}

I actually understood what you said. I need to get out more!!!
/

434 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:41:29am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

According to this, yes. (I hate to post this but it is relevant. Check out these comments)
[Link: www.infowars.com...]

Never seen infowars stuff before (finicky). Bet the commenters think they all march into Bohemian Grove to the music of "Bohemian Rhapsody".

435 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:41:35am

re: #431 Decatur Deb

This is supposedly one of the victims of the "old rule": Image: i-952.jpg

Hard to see where the propaganda is and where the truth lies. But it seems both sides have much to atone for. The Chinese side - for occupation and brutal repression. The Tibetan side - for theocracy based on serfdom and savage customs.

436 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:43:01am

re: #435 Sergey Romanov

I wonder if he kept it to use as a back scratcher.

437 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:43:02am

re: #434 Decatur Deb

Total kook site. Actually fun to read. BOOGA!!!

438 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:43:59am

re: #436 RogueOne

I wonder if he kept it to use as a back scratcher.

Prolly used it to hold up the boys while washing his legs.

439 darthstar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:45:59am

Mornin' rabble. Can't stay. Headed out for a wine country bike ride this morning...37 miles...should be fun, and pretty. Here's where I'll be (from yesterday's warm-up ride)

440 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:47:53am

re: #437 Cannadian Club Akbar

Total kook site. Actually fun to read. BOOGA!!!

Besides the fear of cyber-cooties, the fear of giving them a marketable hit keeps me from visiting really offensive sites except by cache. My web-smart kid tells me they can count a coup even through cache, if their site sends a graphic or logo back your way.

441 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:50:47am

re: #440 Decatur Deb

Besides the fear of cyber-cooties, the fear of giving them a marketable hit keeps me from visiting really offensive sites except by cache. My web-smart kid tells me they can count a coup even through cache, if their site sends a graphic or logo back your way.

Of course. That way they have the best of both worlds - their counter increases while you save them some traffic. Better to just browse normally.

442 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:51:14am

re: #439 darthstar

Mornin' rabble. Can't stay. Headed out for a wine country bike ride this morning...37 miles...should be fun, and pretty. Here's where I'll be (from yesterday's warm-up ride)

This looks like it's more fun.

443 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:51:43am

re: #435 Sergey Romanov

This is supposedly one of the victims of the "old rule": Image: i-952.jpg

Hard to see where the propaganda is and where the truth lies. But it seems both sides have much to atone for. The Chinese side - for occupation and brutal repression. The Tibetan side - for theocracy based on serfdom and savage customs.

We could build a whole foreign policy on the simple principle: "Ya'll give us a call when you get your shit sorted out."

444 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 5:56:08am

LOL. People who will be trapped by this sort of an ad totally deserve it:

[Link: www.stansberryresearch.com...]

445 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:00:07am

re: #444 Sergey Romanov

LOL. People who will be trapped by this sort of an ad totally deserve it:

[Link: www.stansberryresearch.com...]

I've seen TV ads for gold coins for only $10. The coins have 14mg of gold in them and the ads pimp gold as being $1300-$1400 an OZ.

446 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:02:16am

I'm spending my money on this.

447 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:03:41am

Time for me to get to work. I need to catch up on all the work I was supposed to accomplish last week that I had to set aside to finish that emergency job in MI. I managed to get it finished but I had to put in 36 hours in 2 days last tuesday/wednesday to get it done. (22 hours on Wednesday alone.) I have to be in Ann Arbor on Monday, Cleveland on Wednesday, and South Bend on Thursday, another busy week. Enjoy your day folks!

448 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:05:41am

re: #446 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm spending my money on this.

Bad move, dude--that's the "Determined" Obama head. All the action is going to be in the "Happy" edition.

449 laZardo  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:07:01am

re: #447 RogueOne

Cheers.

450 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:07:47am

re: #448 Decatur Deb

Bad move, dude--that's the "Determined" Obama head. All the action is going to be in the "Happy" edition.

When President Obama was first elected they had Obama Chia Pets and either Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson (or both) freaked out. Walgreens here actually pulled them off the shelves.

451 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:08:33am

re: #441 Sergey Romanov

Of course. That way they have the best of both worlds - their counter increases while you save them some traffic. Better to just browse normally.

Thinking that--also checking to see if the pukes still make money if I turn off graphics at this end.

452 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:11:03am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

When President Obama was first elected they had Obama Chia Pets and either Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson (or both) freaked out. Walgreens here actually pulled them off the shelves.

I want him for President, not sacred icon. I'd bet he and FLOTUS get a laugh out of these.

453 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:11:30am

re: #451 Decatur Deb

Thinking that--also checking to see if the pukes still make money if I turn off graphics at this end.

BTW looking at the Google cache probably won't save from any net-bugs too. Try Tor bundle for "security risk" sites. It has things like Flash turned off.

454 laZardo  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:11:55am

Don't go on Google+ if you're looking to meet women.

Even if there aren't any women on the internet.

455 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:13:10am

bbl

456 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:15:12am

I get to help change a motor mount!! Weeeee!! The best part is that the CV joint runs through the motor mount!!! Weeee!!!

457 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:25:33am

re: #456 Cannadian Club Akbar

I get to help change a motor mount!! Weee!! The best part is that the CV joint runs through the motor mount!!! Weee!!!

I'll leave ya'll with this....

Youtube Video
458 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 7:08:56am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

When President Obama was first elected they had Obama Chia Pets and either Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson (or both) freaked out. Walgreens here actually pulled them off the shelves.

I want him for President, not sacred icon. I'd bet he and FLOTUS get a laugh out of these.

459 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 7:11:06am

re: #456 Cannadian Club Akbar

I get to help change a motor mount!! Weee!! The best part is that the CV joint runs through the motor mount!!! Weee!!!

You do have 911 on speed dial I hope

460 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 7:16:48am

re: #457 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll leave ya'll with this...

[Video]

As long as you leave!!!

461 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 7:26:18am

Man accused of throwing snacks on plane

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Maybe The Rocky Horror Picture Show was the in-flight movie and he was just participating!!

462 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 7:30:16am

ggaaahhh

my timing sucks

Two years ago, I was in Boston and went to see this

This year, it happened this past week and I won;t be back up there till the 2nd week of August,,,WAY after all the sculptures will be withered away!!

Ah well ,, as least theres a photo gallery!!

[Link: www.boston.com...]

463 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 7:45:34am

drattit!!!

[Link: blogs.ajc.com...]

TNT cancels beloved but low-rated ‘Men of a Certain Age’

Good show ,, great writing

BUT ,,, no blood, guts or T&A

464 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 7:58:06am

re: #459 sattv4u2

You do have 911 on speed dial I hope

You joke, but I make a point of having the cell within reach when I'm alone under a car.

465 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 7:58:41am

Seems like Lazarenko/Shiropayev/Vlaams Belang/Dewinter aren't the only fascist friends of Ayoob Kara:

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

BERLIN - Deputy Minister Ayoob Kara met with Swedish-German millionaire Patrik Brinkmann who has ties with German neo-Nazi groups in Berlin over the weekend, Yedioth Ahronoth reported.

Brinkmann, who is trying to establish a far-right anti-Islamic party in Germany claims he is not an anti-Semite, however his previous close contacts with the German neo-Nazi party (NPD) and his past membership in another neo-Nazi party raise questions regarding his ideology.

466 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 7:59:56am

re: #461 sattv4u2

Were those mfn snacks on a mfn plane? (Somebody had to say this.)

467 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:00:59am

re: #464 Decatur Deb

You joke, but I make a point of having the cell within reach when I'm alone under a car.

No joke

I make it a point of having someone who can dial a phone when I'm doing anything like that

468 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:01:19am

re: #465 Sergey Romanov

Seems like Lazarenko/Shiropayev/Vlaams Belang/Dewinter aren't the only fascist friends of Ayoob Kara:

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

BERLIN - Deputy Minister Ayoob Kara met with Swedish-German millionaire Patrik Brinkmann who has ties with German neo-Nazi groups in Berlin over the weekend, Yedioth Ahronoth reported.

Brinkmann, who is trying to establish a far-right anti-Islamic party in Germany claims he is not an anti-Semite, however his previous close contacts with the German neo-Nazi party (NPD) and his past membership in another neo-Nazi party raise questions regarding his ideology.

It's OK, they'll eat the Jews last.

469 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:02:56am

re: #468 Decatur Deb

An old Soviet/Russian Jewish joke.

An old Jew dies and gives his last advice to his children:

- Kids, defend the Armenians!
- Why Armenians, Dad?
- Because after they're done with Armenians, they will come for the Jews.

470 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:03:59am

re: #467 sattv4u2

No joke

I make it a point of having someone who can dial a phone when I'm doing anything like that

Best approach. I usually try to do it when the wife is at home. (Gotta realize that I have to be under a 73 Land Rover a lot.)

471 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:09:15am

re: #470 Decatur Deb

Best approach. I usually try to do it when the wife is at home. (Gotta realize that I have to be under a 73 Land Rover a lot.)

When I was in my late teens/ early 20's there was a garage in the Charlestown section of Boston that had a neat concept

It had 6 bays. Two with lifts and one with a pit. It also was fully stocked tool wise (both power and hand)

You could rent a bay for $x amount per hour. Bring in your own parts. There was a licensed mechanic who you could ask for advice from, but if he helped they would charge extra

472 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:11:14am

re: #471 sattv4u2

When I was in my late teens/ early 20's there was a garage in the Charlestown section of Boston that had a neat concept

It had 6 bays. Two with lifts and one with a pit. It also was fully stocked tool wise (both power and hand)

You could rent a bay for $x amount per hour. Bring in your own parts. There was a licensed mechanic who you could ask for advice from, but if he helped they would charge extra

There's a fair chance that was Click and Clack's garage--the Tappet Bros--they were doing that business plan around then.

473 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:12:38am

re: #472 Decatur Deb

There's a fair chance that was Click and Clack's garage--the Tappet Bros--they were doing that business plan around then.

I'm pretty sure they were the owners

Their actual garage was just across the bridge in Cambridge

474 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:13:42am

re: #473 sattv4u2

I'm pretty sure they were the owners

Their actual garage was just across the bridge in Cambridge

Cool. I hope you kept a worn bearing as a relic.

475 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:14:47am

re: #474 Decatur Deb

Cool. I hope you kept a worn bearing as a relic.

If I knew back then that they would turn out to be multi media stars, I would have had them sign a used oil filter or something!

476 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:23:31am

Skies are clearing

Suns peeking through


Think I'll go outside and try to be productive before the humidity sets in

477 laZardo  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:37:39am

Headan to bed. 10K early tomorrow. Nighty.

478 simoom  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 8:54:45am

From Coca-Cola to Koch Industries, how corporate giants are helping craft model legislation which is being passed by state legislators across the country:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

In late January, the Indiana House of Representatives adopted a resolution asking Congress to compel the Environmental Protection Agency to stop regulating carbon emissions, declaring that "EPA over-regulation is driving jobs and industry out of America." Almost identical resolutions have won at least partial approval in a dozen other states, from Virginia to Michigan to Wyoming.

And it's no coincidence that the language of these resolutions is similar, describing EPA's plans to curb air pollution as a "train wreck" that will harm the economy.

In each case, the basic text of the resolutions sprang not from state capitols but from a relatively little-known, Washington-based nonprofit group called the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC. Composed of more than 1,500 conservative state legislators and executives of some of the nation's biggest corporations, ALEC collects millions of dollars in corporate contributions to generate a steady stream of bills and resolutions for state action.

Topics include reducing government regulation, privatizing government services and requiring voters to show proof of identity at polling places.
...
Environmentalists believe that ALEC, working with other conservative groups such as Americans for Prosperity, has led an aggressive push to dismantle regional climate agreements. In past months, legislators in Montana, New Mexico, Oregon and Washington introduced legislation with nearly identical language demanding their states pull out of the Western Climate Initiative, which focuses on fighting global warming.

The model text they used is an ALEC document called State Withdrawal from Regional Climate Initiatives.

Lawmakers in Iowa, Michigan and New Hampshire took similar steps to abandon their regional accords. In some states, the bills did not muster enough votes, and in New Hampshire, the governor vetoed a bill that passed both houses. Weber said ALEC would continue working on this initiative.

Looks like they're messing with my state too.

479 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:12:55am

OT.

Reports are sketchy, but Brega (In Libya) may have been taken by the Rebels.

480 kirkghazi  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:16:35am

re: #478 simoom

From Coca-Cola to Koch Industries, how corporate giants are helping craft model legislation which is being passed by state legislators across the country:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

Looks like they're messing with my state too.

If you want fun/annoyance, see the titles of the model legislation they've already prepared at [Link: www.alec.org...] . You can't see the actual legislation unless you're a member (paid subscription) but the titles will be enough once you read the about page. That one, I'll quote.

The mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council is...

...to advance the Jeffersonian principles of free markets, limited government, federalism, and individual liberty, through a nonpartisan public-private partnership of America's state legislators, members of the private sector, the federal government, and general public.

...to promote these principles by developing policies that ensure the powers of government are derived from, and assigned to, first the People, then the States, and finally, the Federal Government.

...to enlist state legislators from all parties and members of the private sector who share ALEC's mission.

...to conduct a policy making program that unites members of the public and private sectors in a dynamic partnership to support research, policy development, and dissemination activities.

...to prepare the next generation of political leadership through educational programs that promote the principles of Jeffersonian democracy, which are necessary for a free society.
481 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:26:23am

Image: Negotiation-cartoon.jpg

482 Semper Fi  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:28:20am

re: #461 sattv4u2

Man accused of throwing snacks on plane

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Maybe The Rocky Horror Picture Show was the in-flight movie and he was just participating!!

On a flight to Heathrow from LA about 8 yrs ago, a mother and her two children, a boy and girl (about 10 & 12 yrs) were directly across the isle. A bulkhead was immediately behind our seats. They (all of them) threw all empty/used containers, trays, cups, napkins, behind them into that space between their seat backs and the bulkhead --- it was piled up pretty good. The female attendant did not intend to pickup and requested throughout the flight that they pickup discarded items and explained trash p-up occurs several times during and after each serving. They claimed no knowledge of how the trash got there. Attendant brought the pilot who saw the pile and asked them to pickup. The attendant said she saw them and they claimed she was lying. It all ended this way:
Trash was allowed to accumulate for, I suppose, evidence.
Upon arrival at Heathrow they were asked to remain in the their seats and would be escorted off the aircraft after everyone else had deplaned. A couple male attendants were stationed nearby to assure they remained as requested.
The female attendant was at the door as I deplaned and I asked what's going to happen to the trio. She said tickets were being prepared for their immediate 'return' flight (they were americans) on another aircraft leaving soon.
As I walked into the terminal I noticed two uniformed police waiting to board.
For those readers who know their aircraft I confess I don't recall which plane it was where bulkhead was behind our seats. It was not 1st class and I'm pretty sure it was British Airways.

483 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:32:19am

re: #478 simoom

From Coca-Cola to Koch Industries, how corporate giants are helping craft model legislation which is being passed by state legislators across the country:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

Looks like they're messing with my state too.

"Messing with"? Not hardly. What they are doing is proposing laws they feel will advance their interests and the interests of the country. Nothing nefarious in that.

484 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:32:55am

re: #482 Semper Fi

The jerk in me applauds the airlines decision to send them back.

485 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:34:36am

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

"Messing with"? Not hardly. What they are doing is proposing laws they feel will advance their interests and the interests of the country. Nothing nefarious in that.

They are actively hurting our chances of dealing with AGW in any manner.
I find that somewhat nefarious.

486 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:35:23am

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

"Messing with"? Not hardly. What they are doing is proposing laws they feel will advance their interests and the interests of the country. Nothing nefarious in that.

No, Dark. You have no reason to believe they think it will advance the interests of the country. I'm not sure anyone can think that pouring poison into the environment actually advances the interests of the country, or that defaming scientists advances the interests of the country.

Your defense of them is that they are such monumental morons that they think they know science better than scientists.

These are bills promoting denial of climate change. For them to support these bills require either that they be massively cynical-- that they know AGW is real but they simply don't care when it comes to making a profit-- or studiously, purposefully ignorant-- that they reject science as a part of decision-making, in which case they are amazingly dangerous.

487 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:36:19am

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

"Messing with"? Not hardly. What they are doing is proposing laws they feel will advance their interests and the interests of the country. Nothing nefarious in that.

Their interests, I will buy. I see absolutely nothing to indicate they wouldn't sell the country for scrap metal if it would turn them a buck.

488 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:36:49am

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

Have you figured out a way to reconcile your support of the GOP with your knowledge that AGW is real and needs to be dealt with, yet?

Remember, this is something that's going to wind up putting our military men and women in danger. The armed forces take it seriously as a threat, they've published quite a bit on how it's going to wind up getting US soldiers killed.

How do you reconcile yourself to supporting that?

489 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:37:50am

US military goes to war with climate sceptics

490 Semper Fi  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:39:20am

re: #484 Varek Raith

The jerk in me applauds the airlines decision to send them back.

The attendants word spread quickly during deplaning and most everyone who knew of the incident had a grin on their face.

491 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:42:02am

re: #482 Semper Fi

What weird behavior. What's the big deal? You just stuff the trash in the seat pocket until they come by, and then give it them. It's not hard.

I never even considered just chucking it over my shoulder while thinking "Not my problem anymore!"

492 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:48:26am

re: #489 Varek Raith

US military goes to war with climate sceptics

Great article. But it won't stop the Gaspers. They are well paid to support those who make big bucks off of carbon extraction, transport, and use.

493 Semper Fi  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:48:40am

re: #491 Obdicut

What weird behavior. What's the big deal? You just stuff the trash in the seat pocket until they come by, and then give it them. It's not hard.

I never even considered just chucking it over my shoulder while thinking "Not my problem anymore!"

Yes, and I must add, they were nicely dressed. I think it was mothers training + she may not have had both oars in the water and raised them that way.

494 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:48:46am

re: #491 Obdicut

What weird behavior. What's the big deal? You just stuff the trash in the seat pocket until they come by, and then give it them. It's not hard.

I never even considered just chucking it over my shoulder while thinking "Not my problem anymore!"

There are some real jerks in the world. I've had to clean up after a few of them myself (mostly those who trashed restrooms in stores I was working at, though some people at my current job will trash stalls in the men's room).

495 Ghazicide  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:54:59am

Climate Denier presents noose at climate conference.

496 Semper Fi  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:56:06am

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

There are some real jerks in the world. I've had to clean up after a few of them myself (mostly those who trashed restrooms in stores I was working at, though some people at my current job will trash stalls in the men's room).

Restrooms. That reminds me. As a young man using employers toilets I learned that guys, sitting on the pot, get bored, and start unscrewing things. Gotta be careful. Those toilet cubicles can collapse like a house of cards.

497 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:56:24am

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

Only their interests, DF. They do not care one whit about the interests of the nation. The nation can be destroyed, for all they care, as long as they make a profit. Just look at the example of Symantec in the recent Wired article on Stuxnet - they only cared about maintaining their profits (client security) no matter if that had a negative impact on US national security.

498 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 9:59:55am

re: #495 BigPapa

Climate Denier presents noose at climate conference.

Nice. He should visit us. We are *in* the greenhouse *now*.

Take a look at the whipsaw that has hit my state in only one year, from almost no drought to the horror show we are living in now:

[Link: www.drought.unl.edu...]

499 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:00:47am

re: #497 wlewisiii

Only their interests, DF. They do not care one whit about the interests of the nation. The nation can be destroyed, for all they care, as long as they make a profit. Just look at the example of Symantec in the recent Wired article on Stuxnet - they only cared about maintaining their profits (client security) no matter if that had a negative impact on US national security.

Link, please?

500 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:01:33am

The new FF doesn't like me.

501 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:01:55am

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

There are some real jerks in the world. I've had to clean up after a few of them myself (mostly those who trashed restrooms in stores I was working at, though some people at my current job will trash stalls in the men's room).

Ewe. Good morning.

502 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:03:07am

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

There are some real jerks in the world. I've had to clean up after a few of them myself (mostly those who trashed restrooms in stores I was working at, though some people at my current job will trash stalls in the men's room).

Don't remind me!
Working a various grocery stores and all those damn kids messing stuff up!
Rant mode off.
:)

503 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:04:00am

re: #495 BigPapa

Climate Denier presents noose at climate conference.

Pity he left his costume as home. They have to wear the white hood and call you a "n***** lover" to give the full effect.

/I wish I was kidding, but when you brandish a noose in America you go straight into KKK territory.

504 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:04:50am

re: #502 Varek Raith

Don't remind me!
Working a various grocery stores and all those damn kids messing stuff up!
Rant mode off.
:)

I worked at Officemax, so I know exactly what you mean,

505 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:06:04am

Those little jell-o boxes you buy at the store?
Total nightmare to stack.
I hate those damn things.

506 Ghazicide  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:07:47am

The noose presenter was responsible for the full video explaining green fascism.

Who the hell is this CEC?

507 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:08:02am

Automatic coupon dispensers in the isles.
Who thought that was a good idea?!

508 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:08:48am

re: #496 Semper Fi

Restrooms. That reminds me. As a young man using employers toilets I learned that guys, sitting on the pot, get bored, and start unscrewing things. Gotta be careful. Those toilet cubicles can collapse like a house of cards.

Did you work in Lynn Massachusetts?

509 Ghazicide  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:10:28am

Another Day, Another Death Threat

510 Semper Fi  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:10:58am

re: #508 Stanley Sea

Did you work in Lynn Massachusetts?

This was Detroit until I relocated to LA.
What's going on in Lynn?

511 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:12:55am

re: #503 Dark_Falcon

Pity he left his costume as home. They have to wear the white hood and call you a "n***** lover" to give the full effect.

/I wish I was kidding, but when you brandish a noose in America you go straight into KKK territory.

That's where the American mind goes, immediately. I wonder what on earth the German scientist it was being brandished at thought.

512 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:13:24am

re: #510 Semper Fi

This was Detroit until I relocated to LA.
What's going on in Lynn?

Bathroom stall collapse. Guy took about a week to complete the destruction. Funny, he's from Detroit.

513 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:13:32am

re: #482 Semper Fi

Attendant brought the pilot who saw the pile and asked them to pickup.

Pilot could have fixed that shit real quick by yelling,
I HAVEN'T SLEPT MORE THAN THREE HOURS IN THE PAST 5 DAYS AND I SWEAR ON MY MOTHER'S GRAVE THAT I WILL PUT THIS PLANE SO DEEP IN THE GROUND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DIG US OUT BEFORE WE'RE FOSSILS unless you clean that mess up and secure those little shits.

Last time I flew was 1990-something. Even then, I was convinced that every passenger should be issued a parachute and instructed that whether they disembark the aircraft at their destination or before it is entirely dependent upon their behavior. For emphasis, there would intentionally be fewer parachutes than passengers.

514 Semper Fi  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:18:15am

re: #512 Stanley Sea

Bathroom stall collapse. Guy took about a week to complete the destruction. Funny, he's from Detroit.

Aw, that is funny.

515 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:19:59am

Here's a nice piece from the former foreign minister of Spain on how NOT to create a Palestinian state ...

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

516 efuseakay  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:21:31am

OT: Good riddance to bad rubbish.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/15/texas.death.row.hate.crime/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

517 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:25:34am

A photo crying out for a caption.
Image: SnzkI.jpg

518 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:27:31am

re: #503 Dark_Falcon

Pity he left his costume as home. They have to wear the white hood and call you a "n***** lover" to give the full effect.

/I wish I was kidding, but when you brandish a noose in America you go straight into KKK territory.

Sort of. No white person, I don't care where they are from, would try and pull something like that in a Black venue. That is, if they were to even BE in a Black venue at all.

519 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:34:52am

re: #506 BigPapa

The noose presenter was responsible for the full video explaining green fascism.

Who the hell is this CEC?

Larouchie wingnuts.

520 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:38:06am

re: #509 BigPapa

Another Day, Another Death Threat


He accuses the scientist of being an "agent of the British Empire" and then of being "like Hitler". That the British Empire fiercely fought Hitler is apparently too much for his tiny wingnut mind.

521 Semper Fi  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:39:24am

re: #513 negativ

Pilot could have fixed that shit real quick by yelling,
I HAVEN'T SLEPT MORE THAN THREE HOURS IN THE PAST 5 DAYS AND I SWEAR ON MY MOTHER'S GRAVE THAT I WILL PUT THIS PLANE SO DEEP IN THE GROUND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DIG US OUT BEFORE WE'RE FOSSILS unless you clean that mess up and secure those little shits.

Last time I flew was 1990-something. Even then, I was convinced that every passenger should be issued a parachute and instructed that whether they disembark the aircraft at their destination or before it is entirely dependent upon their behavior. For emphasis, there would intentionally be fewer parachutes than passengers.

Issuing chutes would cause many to think the whole thing over.
Hal, a long time from a long time ago, and I would car-pool to our jobs. Hal thought pretty much the same way. Logically, on a sea voyage, a sufficient number of life preservers were available for all passengers. Why not chutes for aircraft passengers.

Hal also had something else that sounds pretty good -- we carpooled taking turns driving our autos. When driving, why is oncoming traffic separated by only a few feet. Hal predicted there will coma a day when roads will no longer be built this way but separated from oncoming traffic. He talked about this all the time on days when I drove. Probably because I used the #1 or fast lane.

522 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:39:29am

re: #518 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sort of. No white person, I don't care where they are from, would try and pull something like that in a Black venue. That is, if they were to even BE in a Black venue at all.

That's true. Anyone who tried that in a black venue or to a black person would be universally vilified. Even Glenn Beck would condemn it publicly.

523 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:52:43am

re: #499 Dark_Falcon

Link, please?

[Link: www.wired.com...]

524 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 10:59:22am

Everyone off huntin' wabbits???

525 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:03:59am

re: #524 Varek Raith

Everyone off huntin' wabbits???

Doing the Saturday NYT x-word...

526 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:05:39am

re: #522 Dark_Falcon

That's true. Anyone who tried that in a black venue or to a black person would be universally vilified. Even Glenn Beck would condemn it publicly.

They would never try it in a Black venue because they would be more than vilified. An individual Black person, yes they would try it if they thought they could get away with it.

None of these people screaming it's their free speech right to call us n@@@s will ever recommend going to their nearest hood, standing on the street corner and calling people n#### to their heart's content. That's because they know their "I have a 1st amendment right to treat you however I goddamn well please" argument is full of crap.

527 blueraven  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:06:47am

re: #523 wlewisiii

[Link: www.wired.com...]

Money quote:

The sophistication of the code, plus the fraudulent certificates, and now Iran at the center of the fallout made it look like Stuxnet could be the work of a government cyberarmy — maybe even a United States cyberarmy.

This made Symantec’s sinkhole an audacious move. In intercepting data the attackers were expecting to receive, the researchers risked tampering with a covert U.S. government operation. Asked recently if they were concerned about this, Chien replied, “For us there’s no good guys or bad guys.” Then he paused to reconsider. “Well, bad guys are people who are writing malicious code that infects systems that can cause unintended consequences or intended consequences.”

Whether the “bad guy” was the United States or one of its allies, the attack was causing collateral damage to thousands of systems, and Symantec felt no patriotic duty to preserve its activity. “We’re not beholden to a nation,” Chien said. “We’re a multinational, private company protecting customers.”

528 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:07:19am

re: #524 Varek Raith

Just marvelling at an indescribably fascinating lecture on the neurobiology of depression.

Youtube Video
529 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:15:33am

re: #495 BigPapa

Climate Denier presents noose at climate conference.

Seriously, he should just use it.

530 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:16:03am

re: #527 blueraven

Money quote:

Whether the “bad guy” was the United States or one of its allies, the attack was causing collateral damage to thousands of systems, and Symantec felt no patriotic duty to preserve its activity. “We’re not beholden to a nation,” Chien said. “We’re a multinational, private company protecting customers.”

And you know, that's pretty much exactly as it should be. Just as it should be the job of legislators to govern in the best interests of their nation and its people, not just the interests of a few who have no particular interest in the advancement of the country.

531 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:18:04am

re: #527 blueraven

Money quote:

Symantec felt no patriotic duty to preserve its activity. “We’re not beholden to a nation,” Chien said. “We’re a multinational, private company protecting customers.”

If this kind of thing interests you, you should read The Virus Creation Labs by George Smith. It's extremely dated, as it deals with early 1990s software technology, but it's interesting nonetheless.

*spoiler*
Big-name commercial "security" vendors like McAffee and Symantec are crooked, have always been crooked, and will probably always be crooked.

532 blueraven  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:27:27am

re: #530 Renaissance_Man

And you know, that's pretty much exactly as it should be. Just as it should be the job of legislators to govern in the best interests of their nation and its people, not just the interests of a few who have no particular interest in the advancement of the country.

Yes, I understand the nature of the business. However it is somewhat disconcerting to know that a security company that is seemingly an American company, really is not. All these Multinational companies have no allegiance except for the end user...their clients. Even if their clients are the bad guys.

If something like this had occurred during WW2, it would have been unthinkable that a California based firm would interfere with a US covert operation.


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