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At the GOP debate in Orlando, a moment that perfectly captures the essence of today’s Republican Party, in which the best seats in the house are occupied by grown men playing dress-up.
At the GOP debate in Orlando, a moment that perfectly captures the essence of today’s Republican Party, in which the best seats in the house are occupied by grown men playing dress-up.
3 | jaunte Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:04:52pm |
re: #2 Decatur Deb
All their favorite Congressmen have an Arrr after their names
4 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:07:51pm |
I like my cosplay like I like my porn. Hot asian chicks.
5 | The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:08:30pm |
Three men in a boat up shit creek without a paddle, to stay nothing of the dog.
6 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:08:30pm |
We paid for these costumes, dammit, were gonna get our monies worth out of 'em.
Thank dog none of them are my dad.
7 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:09:58pm |
Nothing says you're serious about modern problems like period costumes.
Perhaps that should be the theme of the next GOP debate. Each candidate can wear a costume from US History.
8 | dragonfire1981 Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:10:08pm |
Because oppressing women and minorities is awesome!
9 | The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:10:28pm |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I like my cosplay like I like my porn. Hot asian chicks.
You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.
10 | jaunte Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:12:27pm |
re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The message most people might take from this image is not a serious one; I wonder what these guys thought they would be saying when they decided to garb up?
11 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:12:49pm |
re: #8 dragonfire1981
Because oppressing women and minorities is awesome!
When they said they wanted to bring back the 50's, I didn't think they meant the 1750s.
12 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:12:58pm |
re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea
You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.
EDIT: Not quite NSFW.
13 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:13:06pm |
And looking at them, I'm betting all are cashing Social Security checks, getting health care paid for via Medicare, and not losing any sleep over doing both.
15 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:14:39pm |
re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And looking at them, I'm betting all are cashing Social Security checks, getting health care paid for via Medicare, and not losing any sleep over doing both.
But that's different!
//
16 | Daniel Ballard Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:14:44pm |
Just as an American-That is just so embarrassing. A caricature comes to life before our very eyes.
18 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:15:52pm |
re: #15 Gus 802
But that's different!
//
Hey Gus, we were worried you'd disappeared off the face of the Earth. Perhaps been relocated to one of Comrade Obama's reeducation camps.
19 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:16:56pm |
re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea
You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.
The lemon tea party?
20 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:17:42pm |
re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hey Gus, we were worried you'd disappeared off the face of the Earth. Perhaps been relocated to one of Comrade Obama's reeducation camps.
Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.
21 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:18:15pm |
"There are two things inevitable in life. The first is death, but I figured you cretins knew what the second one was." - Ben Franklin
22 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:19:46pm |
re: #20 Gus 802
Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.
Yeah, I've had those days. Well, it's good to have you with us, because this place seems a little less bright without you around.
24 | Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:21:10pm |
re: #20 Gus 802
Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.
Hang in there.
25 | Atlas Fails Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:22:52pm |
re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And looking at them, I'm betting all are cashing Social Security checks, getting health care paid for via Medicare, and not losing any sleep over doing both.
But they're part of the 47% who still pay taxes!!1!!11ty
Actually, considering their ages and the obvious excess time on their hands, they probably don't pay income taxes but are too stupid to realize it. They probably envision all "those people" as black ghetto welfare queens buying flatscreens and driving Cadillacs. Because it's the tea party.
26 | Mocking Jay Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:23:14pm |
re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea
You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.
What's yiffi... you know what? Nevermind.
29 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:23:56pm |
re: #20 Gus 802
Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.
*smooch*
because.
31 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:25:24pm |
re: #26 JasonA
What's yiffi... you know what? Nevermind.
Just walk away. Trust me, it's for your own sanity. I gazed into the abyss and have never been able to scrub my soul clean since.
32 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:28:17pm |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I like my cosplay like I like my porn. Hot asian chicks.
Does this mean these guys are wearing Spandex™ unitards underneath their costumes!?
Pass the brain bleach.
//
33 | Mocking Jay Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:28:51pm |
re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Just walk away. Trust me, it's for your own sanity. I gazed into the abyss and have never been able to scrub my soul clean since.
Google makes it so hard to resist... all I have to do is type it into that address bar up top... must...not...type...
34 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:30:27pm |
re: #33 JasonA
Google makes it so hard to resist... all I have to do is type it into that address bar up top... must...not...type...
The temptation, do not give in to. The Dark Side, it is.
35 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:30:37pm |
re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Just walk away. Trust me, it's for your own sanity. I gazed into the abyss and have never been able to scrub my soul clean since.
Like I said. Could be worse.
36 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:31:22pm |
At the GOP debate in Orlando, a moment that perfectly captures the essence of today’s Republican Party, in which the best seats in the house are occupied by grown men playing dress-up.
...in stockings and buckled shoes, too *_*
37 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:32:15pm |
re: #8 dragonfire1981
Because oppressing women and minorities is awesome!
Oppressing is a gas. We bourgeoisie hate the proletariat, so they deserve what we give them.
40 | reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:34:27pm |
I dunno. I like costumes.
'Course I live in a place where grown men paint themselves in garish colors every week.
41 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:34:49pm |
re: #36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
...in stockings and buckled shoes, too *_*
The only reason they wore these Colonial style costumes was because their white sheets didn't come back from the cleaners.
//
42 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:36:00pm |
re: #39 b_sharp
Hey Gus, you're back.
Unless my meds haven't worn off yet.
Si. I'm back. :)
Your meds are probably still working though. ;)
43 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:36:00pm |
re: #20 Gus 802
Had a case of the blues. Still with me but I thought I'd muster up some energy.
We're always available if you need to talk bro.
44 | The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:36:56pm |
re: #34 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The temptation, do not give in to. The Dark Side, it is.
More like "Lovecraftian awakening to knowledge that precedes madness because of its transformative scope."
I say do it, just remember to roll into the insanity, not away.
Then again, since a Savage Love column revealed the world of hook-ups between cold-symptoms fetishists ten years ago my brain has just given up. It's all good if everybody's consenting.
45 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:37:46pm |
re: #43 b_sharp
We're always available if you need to talk bro.
Copy. Thanks. I need to retain all of this in my memory banks next time I'm feeling down and out in Denver.
46 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:38:20pm |
re: #38 MikeySDCA
Michele Bachman as Lizzie Borden?
Check out the pic. She's got the eyes.
I was thinking Cotton Mather for her.
47 | Alexzander Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:38:38pm |
First day on the new job today; it was pretty tough to be honest. My experience is in young adult shelters, where most of the people are at least likely to get out of their homeless situation, they just got kicked out of their houses (often for LGBTQ reasons), spent their entire childhood in foster card or recently got fired on their first job.
My new job is with some of the most unlucky people you could imagine. I dont want to describe it too much as it would become pretty obvious where I work. But its an incredibly challenging space to work in.
I feel like siddhartha Gautama when he was first released from his palace and saw sickness, old age and decaying death with his own eyes.
48 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:38:47pm |
re: #42 Gus 802
Si. I'm back. :)
Your meds are probably still working though. ;)
Woh, cool, a twofer.
49 | Alexzander Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:40:23pm |
Between gazing into the abyss, knowledge bringing insanity and rolling into as as opposed to away from truth, I''d say this discussion is positively Nietzschian.
50 | Decatur Deb Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:42:18pm |
re: #49 Alexzander
Between gazing into the abyss, knowledge bringing insanity and rolling into as as opposed to away from truth, I''d say this discussion is positively Nietzschian.
Machts Nietzsch.
51 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:42:32pm |
re: #49 Alexzander
Between gazing into the abyss, knowledge bringing insanity and rolling into as as opposed to away from truth, I''d say this discussion is positively Nietzschian.
I prefer Lovecraft.
Bunch together a group of people deliberately chosen for strong religious feelings, and you have a practical guarantee of dark morbidities expressed in crime, perversion, and insanity.
H. P. Lovecraft
52 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:43:24pm |
re: #49 Alexzander
Between gazing into the abyss, knowledge bringing insanity and rolling into as as opposed to away from truth, I''d say this discussion is positively Nietzschian.
Who am I to argue with such an Uber statement?
53 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:45:02pm |
I again find myself force to wonder aloud how those men in Continental Army grab would have fared under Baron von Steuben's discipline. I wager that they'd be crying for their mothers.
Any of those men who are veterans are exempt from the above statement.
55 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:47:18pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
The only reason they wore these Colonial style costumes was because their white sheets didn't come back from the cleaners.
//
Haha, so true. Nice to see ya, Gus.
56 | engineer cat Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:47:39pm |
re: #54 Alouette
No powdered wigs?
the fact that they all have beards is also somewhat less than completely historically accurate
but i would really like a pair of 18th cen boots
57 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:48:55pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
The only reason they wore these Colonial style costumes was because their white sheets didn't come back from the cleaners.
//
Well, I would have worn mine, but my red Associated Loyalist Corps jacket was torn and needed mending.
/Kidding in part. Given my way of thinking and where my known ancestors lived at the time of the Revolution, that is the Tory unit I would have likely joined. I would not have joined the Revolution, truth to tell.
61 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:51:49pm |
re: #55 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Haha, so true. Nice to see ya, Gus.
Nice to see you as well. I'm tempted to take this laptop outside. Was just out there smoking a cig.
62 | reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:52:19pm |
63 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:52:24pm |
re: #61 Gus 802
Nice to see you as well. I'm tempted to take this laptop outside. Was just out there smoking a cig.
Do you need a wireless router?
65 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:53:15pm |
re: #63 b_sharp
Do you need a wireless router?
Using the 5G connection right now. Works much better in Denver than in Morgan Hill.
66 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:53:41pm |
re: #56 engineer dog
the fact that they all have beards is also somewhat less than completely historically accurate
but i would really like a pair of 18th cen boots
To be accurate, they should all be wearing Confederate costumes.
67 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:53:59pm |
re: #62 reine.de.tout
{{b-sharp}}
You're good peeps.
Aw shucks mam, you just made me turn red.
(Make sure the hubby isn't watching)
{{reine}}
68 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:54:00pm |
re: #65 Gus 802
Using the 5G connection right now. Works much better in Denver than in Morgan Hill.
It's actually a 3G connection. 5G monthly limit.
69 | Decatur Deb Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:54:06pm |
70 | bratwurst Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:54:13pm |
re: #53 Dark_Falcon
I again find myself force to wonder aloud how those men in Continental Army grab would have fared under Baron von Steuben's discipline. I wager that they'd be crying for their mothers.
Forget Baron von Steuben...I have my doubts how they would fare under THIS guy:
73 | engineer cat Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:55:35pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
I would not have joined the Revolution, truth to tell.
between 1776 and 1789 the united states was of course governed under the considerably less centralizing Articles of Confederation
during the debate between the Federalists - those promoting the federal constitution we have now - and the Anti-Federalists - those who thought it took too much power away from the states and created a dangerously powerful entity - which side do you think you might have taken then?
i've often wondered what i might have thought if i had been around during that debate...
74 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:56:45pm |
re: #65 Gus 802
Using the 5G connection right now. Works much better in Denver than in Morgan Hill.
I'll take that as a no. If you need any (802.11x) network hardware, give me a shout and I'll send you some.
75 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:57:07pm |
re: #66 Alouette
To be accurate, they should all be wearing Confederate costumes.
True, but that would actually be honest of them. No, they've been working hard to try to portray the Confederacy as the "True America," whining and moaning about the "imperalist" Lincoln and how the Constitution "died" when the Confederacy did.
The argument's always the same BS, just different wrapping.
77 | Alexzander Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:57:37pm |
Plato's Republican.
Well neoconservative anyway.
The noble lie.
78 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:57:56pm |
re: #66 Alouette
To be accurate, they should all be wearing Confederate costumes.
Which one would be Nathan Bedford Forrest?
79 | Digital Display Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:59:06pm |
re: #47 Alexzander
Kind regards and best of luck..I sat here and thought if I should reply to you about my experiences at Napa State Mental hospital while I went to Napa JUCO my first 2 years of college..I just wanted to play ball but I needed easy credits and it seemed a good gig.. Look anybody scores 4.0 working the T ward 4 hours a week..I have some stories.. So maybe some day we will do a page..
/ Those days had a lot with shaping my life in College and really my whole life..I would come home and the first thing I would do is jump in the shower and wash away the ugliness.. I screamed sometime.. I just didn't know
81 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:59:29pm |
82 | Kronocide Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:59:57pm |
re: #78 Gus 802
Which one would be Nathan Bedford Forrest?
Like Jack Sparrow minus the irreverence and The Fabulous.
83 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:00:00pm |
re: #72 MikeySDCA
Immanuel Kan't.
Don't you dare force me to go dig my philosophy texts out.
I probably couldn't understand what I was reading.
84 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:00:30pm |
re: #70 bratwurst
Forget Baron von Steuben...I have my doubts how they would fare under THIS guy:
I'd been meaning to show this to you, but had forgotten. The play runs through Sunday if you are interested. Here is a review. Not my sort of thing, Waiting for Lefty, but I thought you might be interested.
85 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:03:46pm |
re: #79 HoosierHoops
Hey,
You!
*smooch*
There.
86 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:04:13pm |
re: #78 Gus 802
Which one would be Nathan Bedford Forrest?
None. As MikeySDCA noted, none of them would likely have the guts for the role (Forrest had enough physical courage and inner fire for 8 normal men), nor are they dumb enough to pretend he was a good guy.
Nathan Bedford Forrest was perhaps the Civil War's best cavalry commander, but he was the worst human being of any general of the war.
87 | Decatur Deb Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:06:47pm |
re: #83 b_sharp
Don't you dare force me to go dig my philosophy texts out.
I probably couldn't understand what I was reading.
Morning Philosophy classes make me Sic et Non.
88 | Achilles Tang Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:07:00pm |
I wonder if the dress up guys voted for Cain.
89 | Atlas Fails Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:07:54pm |
re: #73 engineer dog
between 1776 and 1789 the united states was of course governed under the considerably less centralizing Articles of Confederation
during the debate between the Federalists - those promoting the federal constitution we have now - and the Anti-Federalists - those who thought it took too much power away from the states and created a dangerously powerful entity - which side do you think you might have taken then?
i've often wondered what i might have thought if i had been around during that debate...
I like to think that I'd have joined the Revolution, but who really knows?
I do think that I would have been an anti-Federalist. Aristocrats holding secret meetings in a boarded-up room, and one of the key leaders of the Revolution refusing to participate because he "smelled a rat"? No way I'd have wanted anything to do with that. Of course, the Federalists ended up coming up with a document that proved to pretty damn good at setting up a government, but you can thank anti-Federalists for the Bill of Rights.
90 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:09:16pm |
re: #88 Naso Tang
I wonder if the dress up guys voted for Cain.
Hard to say. Most of those who voted for Cain were white, so at least 35% of those voting in the straw poll weren't racist (I rate the actual number who aren't racist a good deal higher).
91 | Digital Display Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:09:46pm |
re: #85 Floral Giraffe
Hey,
You!
*smooch*
There.
What's cooking good looking?
Greetings from Oklahoma..
Does this Cowboy hat make my head look fat?
/Winston says Hi.. I hate him now..He is like BFF with the maid...She has him completely spoiled and I mean nothing to him any more..
*wink*
92 | Alexzander Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:10:31pm |
re: #79 HoosierHoops
Kind regards and best of luck..I sat here and thought if I should reply to you about my experiences at Napa State Mental hospital while I went to Napa JUCO my first 2 years of college..I just wanted to play ball but I needed easy credits and it seemed a good gig.. Look anybody scores 4.0 working the T ward 4 hours a week..I have some stories.. So maybe some day we will do a page..
/ Those days had a lot with shaping my life in College and really my whole life..I would come home and the first thing I would do is jump in the shower and wash away the ugliness.. I screamed sometime.. I just didn't know
Thank you for the kind response and thoughts! I've also done the "jump in the shower" right away thing before. I'm actually surprised I didn't do it this afternoon but I am almost too exhausted (it is actually hard for me to type out a coherent sentence at the moment.)
I'm relatively young and I am partly taking this job because I think it will necessary lead to huge personal growth. When I left work today I kept asking myself "Am I insane for actually wanting to do this?" It is like a living collection of all of my worst fears, a personal ring of hell. And yet I sought out this kind of work. But on some level I am aware I am doing this because I know I need to be aware of these worlds and to stop being afraid of them if I want to understand how to improve them. I'm seeking this path not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
93 | Atlas Fails Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:10:31pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
None. As MikeySDCA noted, none of them would likely have the guts for the role (Forrest had enough physical courage and inner fire for 8 normal men), nor are they dumb enough to pretend he was a good guy.
Nathan Bedford Forrest was perhaps the Civil War's best cavalry commander, but he was the worst human being of any general of the war.
There are stories that he actually reformed himself later in life, going so far as to advocate for tolerance of mixed race couples and even kissing a black woman in public. Does it make up for Fort Pillow? No, but it's nice to know that even the most vile and seemingly irredeemable among us can change.
94 | Amory Blaine Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:12:11pm |
Childish douchebags doing childish things. Are the three wise men in the front row cheering for death?
95 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:12:55pm |
re: #87 Decatur Deb
Morning Philosophy classes make me Sic et Non.
You must be a terror when it comes to computers.
Excuse me for a moment, I'm trying to doubt without going all hyperbolic.
96 | reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:14:07pm |
re: #91 HoosierHoops
What's cooking good looking?
Greetings from Oklahoma..
Does this Cowboy hat make my head look fat?
/Winston says Hi.. I hate him now..He is like BFF with the maid...She has him completely spoiled and I mean nothing to him any more..
*wink*
Speaking of Winston and doggie BFF's - didja see what my daughter did last week?
97 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:14:49pm |
re: #91 HoosierHoops
Hey, Handsome,
That DOG doesn't know for shit.
Just don't tell him, OK?
*smooch for you, NOT Winston*
98 | BongCrodny Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:22:50pm |
This is just me, but if I were running a debate, I'd want to put the crazy people in the back of the room.
99 | freetoken Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:24:21pm |
re: #98 BongCrodny
This is just me, but if I were running a debate, I'd want to put the crazy people in the back of the room.
What? You mean you wouldn't put them on stage like current GOP "debates"?
100 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:26:11pm |
re: #98 BongCrodny
This is just me, but if I were running a debate, I'd want to put the crazy people in the back of the room.
Considering the last couple debates, if you consigned the crazy folks to the back of the room, there would be no audience to film.
101 | engineer cat Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:26:56pm |
re: #99 freetoken
What? You mean you wouldn't put them on stage like current GOP "debates"?
speaking of which, i wonder how many other gifts the audiences at the gop debates are going to give the democratic party before the gop figures out that it should stop having debates if it wants to win any elections next year
102 | Digital Display Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:27:39pm |
re: #97 Floral Giraffe
Hey, Handsome,
That DOG doesn't know for shit.
Just don't tell him, OK?
*smooch for you, NOT Winston*
My dang dog! When the maid is coming over and blocks away booming her Rap Music out of the Black Escalade he hears her and starts jumping up and down going wild.. Running back and forth to the door and then jumping on me.. She is here Daddy! answer the damn door!
I look out the window and sure enough she is pulling up...He sucks up to her the whole time she is here
Hey Winston! I thought you were afraid of vacuum cleaners! Why are you following her around?
You obviously don't do it correctly dad...
Winston? Ever heard of adoption? huh?
LOL
103 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:31:09pm |
re: #101 engineer dog
speaking of which, i wonder how many other gifts the audiences at the gop debates are going to give the democratic party before the gop figures out that it should stop having debates if it wants to win any elections next year
The debates aren't going to end, especially not when Romney's slowly gaining the upper hand with each one. Was reading awhile back that Perry habitually avoided debates in past electoral appearances and I can see why.
104 | Achilles Tang Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:33:06pm |
re: #47 Alexzander
I have a daughter who works as a supervisor of case workers for kids either under state care or under supervised monitoring. Her issue is not the work with the kids, but the paperwork and high turnover of those under her, meaning she has to finish what others should be doing much of the time.
Learn the system and cross your Ts and check all the right boxes and you will be fine.
105 | Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:34:25pm |
For those who enjoy hippie clubbings....
NYPD Violently Strips the Right to Free Speech - OCCUPY WALL STREET
106 | Atlas Fails Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:38:06pm |
From Pat "Where Have All the White People Gone?" Buchanan at Whirled Nuts Daily:
BREAKING NEWS: Politician tries to appeal to multiple constituencies! Of course, since it's Obama, it's really an attempt to ignite race/class warfare. The wingnuts are growing more delusional by the day.
107 | Tigger2 Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:39:31pm |
It must be really embarrassing to be a Republican at this time in history.
108 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:40:13pm |
re: #107 Tigger2
It must be really embarrassing to be a Republican at this time in history.
I suspect most of them are proud of themselves.
111 | palomino Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:42:10pm |
That photo neatly sums up the reactionary nature of the TP (and thus much of the current GOP). It's not the 20th century they want to return to, or even the 19th...let's go all the way back to the beginning, the late 18th century.
The TP appeal is thus inherently limited. Most nonwhites and women know the juice here: women were second class citizens at the time, as were the few Hispanics who lived in the US; it was open season on Asians, and blacks, of course, weren't citizens at all. Not only were these groups oppressed, they had NO INPUT whatsoever in the formation of our govt and holy founding documents. Is it any wonder the TP movement doesn't attract many people outside a narrow demographic range?
113 | Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:42:12pm |
115 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:43:05pm |
re: #107 Tigger2
It must be really embarrassing to be a Republican at this time in history.
I'd say no more so than the folks on the far-Left who supported Mondale back in '84. There's always crazies in the ranks, but sometimes they slip the environmental constraints and proliferate out of control until electoral reality smacks them down hard.
116 | freetoken Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:44:13pm |
re: #106 Atlas Fails
PaleoPat has been on quite the roll the past couple of weeks, condemning: one-man one-vote, democracy, anti-apartheid movements, anti-colonialism, etc.
The reactionary right is almost completely out of the closet now. I suspect as the 2012 election gets closer and it looks like Obama might well be re-elected, whatever pretense remains in the neo-confederate world will vanish and we will see them in all their glory.
118 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:46:01pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
For those who enjoy hippie clubbings...
NYPD Violently Strips the Right to Free Speech - OCCUPY WALL STREET[Video]
I don't see it that way. This is normal for the NYPD, which has long had a policy of coming down hard on demonstrations perceived as getting out of hand. It does work, though.
119 | palomino Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:46:17pm |
re: #106 Atlas Fails
From Pat "Where Have All the White People Gone?" Buchanan at Whirled Nuts Daily:
BREAKING NEWS: Politician tries to appeal to multiple constituencies! Of course, since it's Obama, it's really an attempt to ignite race/class warfare. The wingnuts are growing more delusional by the day.
Isn't he still employed by NBC? He's way more extreme to the right than the few liberals at Fox are to the left.
But even he's smart enough to know that his side is losing the gay rights debate. Not long ago he framed it in predictably militaristic terms: "We [the forces of good] are losing the citadel to the gays in this battle, and it's too late for our side to prevail."
120 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:46:41pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
Hard to say. Most of those who voted for Cain were white, so at least 35% of those voting in the straw poll weren't racist (I rate the actual number who aren't racist a good deal higher).
< thatllbetheday > I even bet 35% of their best friends are black, too < /thatllbetheday >
121 | freetoken Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:47:32pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Dr. Doom (Nouriel Roubini) was quoted last week that as the US and the world slip back into recession from henceforth, we'd see lots more social unrest and uprisings, even in the US.
122 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:47:41pm |
re: #120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
< thatllbetheday > I even bet 35% of their best friends are black, too < /thatllbetheday >
GAZE
123 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:48:04pm |
124 | bratwurst Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:48:17pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
I'd been meaning to show this to you, but had forgotten. The play runs through Sunday if you are interested. Here is a review. Not my sort of thing, Waiting for Lefty, but I thought you might be interested.
Hey thanks! Probably not so much my thing, but I am going to see a free lecture by ex-Newsweek editor and author of the recent Andrew Jackson bio Jon Meacham speak at Elmhurst College on Friday night. It is part of the Niebuhr forum on Religion in Public Life. He just wrote a piece on Dominionism for Time that made me want to hear him speak.
125 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:48:29pm |
126 | prairiefire Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:49:37pm |
re: #124 bratwurst
Ohh, he's a brainiac, it should be good.
127 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:50:05pm |
re: #124 bratwurst
Hey thanks! Probably not so much my thing, but I am going to see a free lecture by ex-Newsweek editor and author of the recent Andrew Jackson bio Jon Meacham speak at Elmhurst College on Friday night. It is part of the Niebuhr forum on Religion in Public Life. He just wrote a piece on Dominionism for Time that made me want to hear him speak.
I hope you enjoy it. I'm not thinking past 5pm on Friday myself. All my efforts are going into this last week at work.
128 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:50:12pm |
re: #124 bratwurst
Hey thanks! Probably not so much my thing, but I am going to see a free lecture by ex-Newsweek editor and author of the recent Andrew Jackson bio Jon Meacham speak at Elmhurst College on Friday night. It is part of the Niebuhr forum on Religion in Public Life. He just wrote a piece on Dominionism for Time that made me want to hear him speak.
129 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:51:49pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
For those who enjoy hippie clubbings...
NYPD Violently Strips the Right to Free Speech - OCCUPY WALL STREET[Video]
On a more serious note though I think it's kind of sad that more of these poor kids will be arrested than anyone that caused the financial meltdown of 2008. Granted they won't be in jail for long since protestors like this typically face a day or two in prison. But IMO these kids do have a point. And the financial marauders will never face jail nor any real investigation. Largely because they're in bed with politicians and judges from either side of the ideological aisle.
130 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:52:49pm |
re: #75 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
True, but that would actually be honest of them. No, they've been working hard to try to portray the Confederacy as the "True America," whining and moaning about the "imperalist" Lincoln and how the Constitution "died" when the Confederacy did.
The argument's always the same BS, just different wrapping.
Reliving their anti-integration protest days, back when they were in high school.
131 | Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:55:15pm |
re: #129 Gus 802
On a more serious note though I think it's kind of sad that more of these poor kids will be arrested than anyone that caused the financial meltdown of 2008. Granted they won't be in jail for long since protestors like this typically face a day or two in prison. But IMO these kids do have a point. And the financial marauders will never face jail nor any real investigation. Largely because they're in bed with politicians and judges from either side of the ideological aisle.
Agreed but on the bright side, these kid's trust funds hold a wide variety of stock and bonds. They'll never be wanting for creature comforts because they're dutifully provided by the folks they're protesting against. Most of them will retire wealthy. Must be nice.
132 | b_sharp Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:55:50pm |
re: #123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Too stupid to be ashamed.
I'm not sure stupid is the right word, they're more ignorant and driven by a bias that blinds them. Blindly ignorant may fit better than stupid. That's assuming stupidity is genetic and ignorance is a type of wilful stupidity.
133 | Amory Blaine Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:56:03pm |
re: #129 Gus 802
On a more serious note though I think it's kind of sad that more of these poor kids will be arrested than anyone that caused the financial meltdown of 2008. Granted they won't be in jail for long since protestors like this typically face a day or two in prison. But IMO these kids do have a point. And the financial marauders will never face jail nor any real investigation. Largely because they're in bed with politicians and judges from either side of the ideological aisle.
The protestors should carry guns and hang Tbags off their baseball caps then they wouldn't have these problems.
134 | Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:58:32pm |
135 | Atlas Fails Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:59:29pm |
re: #133 Amory Blaine
The protestors should carry guns and hang Tbags off their baseball caps then they wouldn't have these problems.
Anyone remember the whole "teabag your representatives" shtick from the infancy of the Old White Racist Homophobes movement? God, they are stupid. Lucky for us, their stupidity often yields unintentionally hilarious results; unlucky for us, they managed to take the House. Puke.
137 | palomino Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:02:16pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
Hard to say. Most of those who voted for Cain were white, so at least 35% of those voting in the straw poll weren't racist (I rate the actual number who aren't racist a good deal higher).
That's because, to them, Cain is the "good kind" of black guy. Cain's father is not a Muslim from Kenya, he doesn't have a scary middle name, he didn't spend any of his childhood in Indonesia, and he never community organized.
This may sound harsh, but how many conservatives in the media celebrated the fact that America broke down another cultural barrier by electing a black man? I still remember Juan Williams on Fox that night weeping while the guys around him acted like he was a pussy for thinking this was anything historically important.
Obama has done everything that the dominant white culture bemoans as lacking among blacks: he got educated, married, had kids, raised them responsibly, worked very hard...and for this he's demonized as some sort of traitor. Disgusting, and a generation from now Americans will look back with the same kind of shame we now have over McCarthyism.
138 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:04:09pm |
re: #132 b_sharp
I'm not sure stupid is the right word, they're more ignorant and driven by a bias that blinds them. Blindly ignorant may fit better than stupid. That's assuming stupidity is genetic and ignorance is a type of wilful stupidity.
I used to something similar, all the time re: stupidity vs ignorance. After all, stupid people can't help their stupidity; they *are* stupid, after all.
At this point, though, the state of the GOTP has reached the level of stupidity, afaic...stupidity that's self-induced via deliberately clinging to flat-earth-society level ignorance.
139 | freetoken Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:05:49pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
Hard to say. Most of those who voted for Cain were white, so at least 35% of those voting in the straw poll weren't racist.
Herman Cain was a preacher and still interjects plenty of fundamentalism into his speeches. His given name sounds very western European. His family name is Biblical.
IOW, he's everything the Tea Partiers need to prove that they're not racist - they just hate the gay-loving, Israel hating, communist muslim currently in the White House.
140 | Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:06:55pm |
141 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:10:13pm |
re: #137 palomino
That's because, to them, Cain is the "good kind" of black guy.
Well, until he slips up and does something "all about race" like Colin Powell did, he is. /
Cain's father is not a Muslim from Kenya, he doesn't have a scary middle name, he didn't spend any of his childhood in Indonesia, and he never community organized.
They like him, or purport to, because he's a willing token and racial bat against the incumbent, along the same lines of Clarence Thomas being handpicked to replace Thurgood Marshall, and only Thurgood Marshall.
They still HATE Thurgood Marshall.
If this were any other election year, Herman Shucky Ducky Cain would not have a chance with these dumb confederates.
142 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:11:26pm |
re: #137 palomino
IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama. If this straw poll win ultimately gets Cain a VP nomination, he'll be a help to whoever the Presidential nominee is. And he'd beat the daylights out of Joe Biden, and do so without being nasty.
143 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:12:32pm |
re: #139 freetoken
Herman Cain was a preacher and still interjects plenty of fundamentalism into his speeches. His given name sounds very western European. His family name is Biblical.
IOW, he's everything the Tea Partiers need to prove that they're not racist - they just hate the gay-loving, Israel hating, communist muslim currently in the White House.
Lol the only people who will believe that are other seething tricorners.
Everyone else has been watching white conservative bigots do this with handpicked minorities, for generations. No one is fooled by it.
144 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:13:13pm |
RE: the photo at the top of this thread --
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
145 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:13:34pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama.
Lol better not tell the tea tossers he was a regional chairman of the Fed.
It won't end well for him.
146 | freetoken Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:14:36pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama.
His "999" plan has as its sole virtue the ease of remembrance. It's sloganism. Just what the Tea Partying right loves.
President Obama doesn't have to be brilliant in economics. A President should hire people around him who know more about their specified subjects than any one man can know. And then the President should listen to them.
147 | palomino Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:17:54pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama. If this straw poll win ultimately gets Cain a VP nomination, he'll be a help to whoever the Presidential nominee is. And he'd beat the daylights out of Joe Biden, and do so without being nasty.
I have a hard time looking up to a guy who pledged not to put ANY Muslims in his adminstration, period.
I don't mean to belittle Cain, but running the 7th largest pizza chain in America isn't really much of a path to the White House. The last Pres./VP we had who hadn't held elective office was Eisenhower, who won WWII and knew a fair amount about how govt worked.
He'd beat Joe Biden...you mean in a debate? He can't even beat Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann in the debates thus far.
148 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:19:02pm |
re: #133 Amory Blaine
The protestors should carry guns and hang Tbags off their baseball caps then they wouldn't have these problems.
Not in NYC. That would win them a date with SWAT and the FBI's HRT.
149 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:20:54pm |
re: #147 palomino
I have a hard time looking up to a guy who pledged not to put ANY Muslims in his adminstration, period.
I don't mean to belittle Cain, but running the 7th largest pizza chain in America isn't really much of a path to the White House. The last Pres./VP we had who hadn't held elective office was Eisenhower, who won WWII and knew a fair amount about how govt worked.
He'd beat Joe Biden...you mean in a debate? He can't even beat Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann in the debates thus far.
It's hard to truly score a major win in the current "cattle show" format. He'd do better 1 on 1, I think.
150 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:20:59pm |
re: #147 palomino
I have a hard time looking up to a guy who pledged not to put ANY Muslims in his adminstration, period.
Seriously. I don't give a damn if he's the Einstein of economics. If he's that ignorant on social issues, he's clearly not worth any admiration.
151 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:21:58pm |
re: #149 Dark_Falcon
It's hard to truly score a major win in the current "cattle show" format. He'd do better 1 on 1, I think.
He doesn't have a chance of even getting the nomination, let alone winning the race, get real.
152 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:22:51pm |
OT, but the latest lame stalker insult on Twitter is that Charles is a gamer.
ROFL. They're desperate.
153 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:23:23pm |
re: #150 Lidane
Seriously. I don't give a damn if he's the Einstein of economics. If he's that ignorant on social issues, he's clearly not worth any admiration.
That's what cons purport to love about him.
A Black man behind whom they can hide and count on to willingly spew their stupid ignorance for them, instead of doing it themselves.
154 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:23:28pm |
re: #152 Lidane
OT, but the latest lame stalker insult on Twitter is that Charles is a gamer.
ROFL. They're desperate.
Being a gamer is an insult?
155 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:24:38pm |
re: #154 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Being a gamer is an insult?
Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.
Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.
156 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:25:56pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama. If this straw poll win ultimately gets Cain a VP nomination, he'll be a help to whoever the Presidential nominee is. And he'd beat the daylights out of Joe Biden, and do so without being nasty.
Claiming Cain has a "better grasp of economics" sounds too much like Mittens talking up how he "worked in the private sector," namely that in Cain's case it glosses over the steady decline in Godfather's, while in Romney's case it ignores that his track record in the private sector is of an opportunist that sucks companies dry and forces them into bankruptcy, then walks away padding the millions he "earned."
157 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:26:54pm |
re: #156 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Claiming Cain has a "better grasp of economics" sounds too much like Mittens talking up how he "worked in the private sector," namely that in Cain's case it glosses over the steady decline in Godfather's, while in Romney's case it ignores that his track record in the private sector is of an opportunist that sucks companies dry and forces them into bankruptcy, then walks away padding the millions he "earned."
Didn't you know? Cain has a better grasp of economics because he has an (R) after his name. That's all that matters. =P
158 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:27:54pm |
re: #155 Lidane
Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.
Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.
Agreed. My gaming group has three men north of 40 and none of them are losers by any stretch of the imagination. It's just more troll spew from the league leaders in troll spew.
159 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:28:13pm |
re: #155 Lidane
Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.
Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.
Must go with that other debating technique of calling people out for having a ponytail.
Seriously. That's pretty lame.
160 | freetoken Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:29:21pm |
Straight from Cain's website 999 page:
Economic Guiding Principles
Production drives the economy, not spending.
We can not spend our way to prosperity.
Government spending IS taxation.
Government spending is like taking a bucket of water from the deep end of the pool, pouring it in the shallow end. Then they HOPE that the water level will CHANGE.Risk taking drives growth .
Business formation and job creation are dependent on entrepreneurs taking risks.
Investors who fund those entrepreneurs likewise take risks.Measurements must be dependable.
A dollar must always be a dollar just as an hour is always 60 minutes.
Sound money is crucial for prosperity.
Those are either fallacies, or just plain stroking of simple minded prejudices.
All Herman Cain is doing, from his use of short English sentences, his homiletically inspired speaking mannerism, to his 999 "plan" is this: he's geared an advertising campaign for those consumers (i.e., potential voters) who want, or can only understand, the simplest, most facile, of political messages around which to rally.
IOW:
Cains campaign : real governance :: Godfather's pizza : real Italian dinner
161 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:29:36pm |
Alas! Some Chardonnay! Haven't had a glass of wine in ages. Drink!
162 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:29:56pm |
re: #155 Lidane
Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.
Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.
Shit, John Romero's 43 and he's a young punk compared to Shigeru Miyamoto, who was programming Donkey Kong and Mario Brothers when Romero was in high school.
163 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:30:56pm |
OT again, but I have to say this: OW. OW. OW.
Body is sore. I'm going to feel it tomorrow. I did my first C25K workout today. I acutally made it through all the runs, and even hiked up a steep hill afterwards before walking back to my apartment.
I definitely need to stretch out more next time, but so far, so good. :D
164 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:31:33pm |
re: #157 Lidane
Didn't you know? Cain has a better grasp of economics because he has an (R) after his name. That's all that matters. =P
Doesn't take much, with them.
Herman Cain reminds me of Palin in some ways -- heck, at least he has a personality, unlike the rest of the dorks on the GOP alienate-the-moderates list.
I think they see him, as they did her and a lot of those Tea Party Express losers, as someone they can control and direct. That's what makes him "one of the good ones".
165 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:32:57pm |
Hell, I still remember when the NES reigned as king and having a Gameboy made you hot stuff in school. And I'm only 2 years and some change away from 30 myself.
166 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:33:35pm |
167 | palomino Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:34:32pm |
re: #151 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
He doesn't have a chance of even getting the nomination, let alone winning the race, get real.
I don't think he'll be anyone's running mate either. The gop tried that kind of pandering with Palin, didn't work too well.
168 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:34:52pm |
Best one in the field is Huntsman. He's still "not my type" but he's the most rational and reasonable. But they're too stupid and too bigoted to realize that.
Turns out that a recent poll shows that most Republicans aren't even happy with the current crop of candidates.
Weirdest Republicans ever.
169 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:34:55pm |
re: #162 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Shit, John Romero's 43 and he's a young punk compared to Shigeru Miyamoto, who was programming Donkey Kong and Mario Brothers when Romero was in high school.
Romero's 43. Itagaki of the Ninja Gaiden games is in his 40's. Bioshock dev Ken Levine is 45. Tim Schafer is 44. Hideo Kojima is 48. And they're all young guys in the business.
170 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:36:29pm |
re: #160 freetoken
Straight from Cain's website 999 page:
Nothing but soundbytes, bumper-sticker phrases and dumb clichés.
Don't any of them have anything original to say?
Ever??
171 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:36:57pm |
re: #165 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hell, I still remember when the NES reigned as king and having a Gameboy made you hot stuff in school. And I'm only 2 years and some change away from 30 myself.
Eh, bought myself a Nintendo DS (original 'fat' version) today so I can play games. Even with the 3DS out, I can still run 99% of the games. Screw their bs.
172 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:37:18pm |
re: #158 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. My gaming group has three men north of 40 and none of them are losers by any stretch of the imagination. It's just more troll spew from the league leaders in troll spew.
Tabletop gaming =/= Video gaming.
q;
174 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:38:16pm |
175 | Mocking Jay Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:38:27pm |
Wow. An hour long Colbert for Radiohead? Sweet.
176 | jaunte Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:41:15pm |
re: #160 freetoken
Production drives the economy, not spending.
"If we build thousands and thousands of expensive houses, we'll have an economy..."
177 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:41:49pm |
Like check this out...
NRA Chief: Obama not taking our guns is a plan to take our guns
WTF. Give me a break. These folks need a mental enema or something.
178 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:42:20pm |
re: #167 palomino
I don't think he'll be anyone's running mate either. The gop tried that kind of pandering with Palin, didn't work too well.
The only thing he's good for right now is his color, to provide cover for race-hysterical GOTP conservatives, desperate to retain their damaging ideas about Blacks, all while pointing to their new black best friend. It's not the first time this has happened in American politics.
I despise that he is so apparently self-loathing he allows himself to be used in this way. Unlike professional slave catchers like Walter Williams and Jesse Lee Peterson, I think Cain might be somewhat above the role he is playing.
179 | jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:42:41pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama. If this straw poll win ultimately gets Cain a VP nomination, he'll be a help to whoever the Presidential nominee is. And he'd beat the daylights out of Joe Biden, and do so without being nasty.
"IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama."
*Citation Needed*
(I know its your opinion but even opinions don't just pop out of thin air!)
180 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:43:59pm |
re: #169 Lidane
Romero's 43. Itagaki of the Ninja Gaiden games is in his 40's. Bioshock dev Ken Levine is 45. Tim Schafer is 44. Hideo Kojima is 48. And they're all young guys in the business.
Ayep. Gamer history stretches a good while back. I mean, one of the defining moments in video games in America was the Great Crash of '83.
181 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:44:03pm |
I think I need some medical marijuana. I need it to cope with the wingnut and Republican BS.
//
182 | freetoken Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:47:31pm |
re: #170 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Don't any of them have anything original to say?
That's really not important. Cain is not as stupid as his campaign message. His campaign message is a product he's trying to sell, to a customer base that frankly isn't in the top two quartiles of the population education wise.
The US has 312 million people, and inside that group there resides a huge market for low quality products.
183 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:48:17pm |
re: #179 jamesfirecat
"IMO, it' more that Cain favors Republican policies and has a better grasp of economics than Obama."
*Citation Needed*
(I know its your opinion but even opinions don't just pop out of thin air!)
Depends, completely, on your definitions. I'd argue that neither knows squat about economics, only that bastardized version of the traditional school in a haphazard sort-of way that politicians specialize in. Krugman, OTOH, knows his economics, though he's still stuck in the Keynesian school. Unlike the politicians, he knows and understands what that really means and as a result knows the only real problem with the stimulus is that it was about 20% the size it should have been.
And of course, despite all the mud slinging, there is no one in US politics, to include Sen. Sanders, who is actually advocating for Socialism in America. Alas & all that.
184 | jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:49:34pm |
re: #183 wlewisiii
Depends, completely, on your definitions. I'd argue that neither knows squat about economics, only that bastardized version of the traditional school in a haphazard sort-of way that politicians specialize in. Krugman, OTOH, knows his economics, though he's still stuck in the Keynesian school. Unlike the politicians, he knows and understands what that really means and as a result knows the only real problem with the stimulus is that it was about 20% the size it should have been.
And of course, despite all the mud slinging, there is no one in US politics, to include Sen. Sanders, who is actually advocating for Socialism in America. Alas & all that.
What's wrong with the Keynesian school?
186 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:51:47pm |
Listening to Dead Can Dance.
I say we start taxing greed. Best way to do that would be to create a progressive tax where corporations get bigger tax breaks for paying their employees higher wages. Higher taxes for larger wage disparities.
187 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:51:53pm |
re: #182 freetoken
That's really not important. Cain is not as stupid as his campaign message. His campaign message is a product he's trying to sell, to a customer base that frankly isn't in the top two quartiles of the population education wise.
The US has 312 million people, and inside that group there resides a huge market for low quality products.
Oh I agree he's personally not stupid, at all; quite the opposite. I think he's a classic opportunist who is exploiting tea party stupidity, just like the tea party leaders, Breitbart, House of Saud News, Palin/Perry, and the rest.
188 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:55:40pm |
re: #187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh I agree he's personally not stupid, at all; quite the opposite. I think he's a classic opportunist who is exploiting tea party stupidity, just like the tea party leaders, Breitbart, House of Saud News, Palin/Perry, and the rest.
The Tea Party-Industrial Complex.
I seriously doubt that even guys like Breitbart even give a crap about what he's spewing. Andrew's just always been looking for attention. Failed screenwriter and all that.
But that asshole got a 500K advance for his "book". However, that's how this country works. We actually reward garbage.
189 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:56:55pm |
Three commissioners appointed by Gov. Rick Perry may grant some of the nation's largest refineries a tax refund of more than $135 million — money Texas' cash-strapped schools and other local governments have been counting on to help pay teachers and provide other public services.
190 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:56:55pm |
re: #184 jamesfirecat
What's wrong with the Keynesian school?
Seriously? Read some of Mike Harrington's books. Basically he only went as far as necessary to bandaid the problems that existed when he wrote " The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money" and gave capitalism another century, but still it's going to collapse before much longer. If we're not very lucky, it'll be back to feudalism for our grandchildren rather than the freedoms we have known in America.
191 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:57:09pm |
192 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:57:22pm |
That's American capitalism in a nutshell. No trash left unsold. A country of hooligans, racists, con-men and snake oil salesmen. Our greatest commodity is entertainment. And it's no longer good entertainment at that. You don't even have to have any talent to make millions.
193 | jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:59:06pm |
re: #190 wlewisiii
Seriously? Read some of Mike Harrington's books. Basically he only went as far as necessary to bandaid the problems that existed when he wrote " The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money" and gave capitalism another century, but still it's going to collapse before much longer. If we're not very lucky, it'll be back to feudalism for our grandchildren rather than the freedoms we have known in America.
Let me put this another way... what alternative school of economic theory would you propose in place of Keynesian economics?
194 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:59:15pm |
re: #191 wlewisiii
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said, "Boo"?
195 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:00:45pm |
You don't even have to do anything. Some architect from Spain was working on the DIA addition over here in Denver. He got 12.9 million for conceptual work. He was getting payed over 400,000 USD per month. Finally this egotistical asshole quit. Partially for "not getting payed enough." 12.9 million for sketch work.
It's all one big cluster fuck.
196 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:01:02pm |
re: #177 Gus 802
Like check this out...
NRA Chief: Obama not taking our guns is a plan to take our guns
WTF. Give me a break. These folks need a mental enema or something.
I love how NOT taking away guns and largely ignoring gun control issues is somehow a stealth conspiracy to take guns away later on. ROFL.
197 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:01:46pm |
re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said, "Boo"?
Life is best when the Packers win and the Vikings and Cowboys loose. Alas, only 2 our of 3.
198 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:04:04pm |
re: #192 Gus 802
That's American capitalism in a nutshell. No trash left unsold. A country of hooligans, racists, con-men and snake oil salesmen. Our greatest commodity is entertainment. And it's no longer good entertainment at that. You don't even have to have any talent to make millions.
Well, what're we gonna do about it?
199 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:04:19pm |
re: #196 Lidane
I love how NOT taking away guns and ignoring gun control issues is somehow a stealth conspiracy to take guns away later on. ROFL.
It's pathetic. They don't even go hunting anymore. Or hardly go hunting. Just a bunch of wanker gun fetishists thinking they can "save the day" like Dirty Harry. Mouth breathers.
But they can keep their guns. I don't give a crap. Might even buy a gun myself.
200 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:05:06pm |
re: #189 Lidane
Yeah, ya gotta love it. The TPers make a big stink all the time about how "our children's futures are being mortgaged," before yawning while money for education is used for everything from paying down debt and patching over budgetary holes to paying off private industries.
201 | jaunte Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:05:15pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
It sounds like he has interesting ideas, but has trouble solving real-world problems:
Calatrava’s work is famous around the world and has won over a dozen major awards. But Calatrava's designs have seen their fair share of criticism as well, mainly calling out some of his work as impractical. The airport in Bilbao, Spain has a bridge with tiles that are prone to breaking and get slippery under weather, according to El Correo Digital. Calatrava’s bridge in Venice has been plagued with problems, its design, which has been altered numerous times over the years, made for excessive weight that, if implemented, would cause the bank of the Venice canal to fail, according to La Repubblica.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
202 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:06:14pm |
re: #193 jamesfirecat
Let me put this another way... what alternative school of economic theory would you propose in place of Keynesian economics?
I'm a fairly old school democratic socialist.
Best place to start is with market determination of demand & price along with democratic ownership of the means of production. See any of Michael Harrington's books ("Socialism: Past & Future", his last book before he died, is a good place to start) or [Link: www.dsausa.org...]
203 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:06:44pm |
re: #198 laZardo
Well, what're we gonna do about it?
Nothing. There's nothing we can do about it. Nothing at all.
We're serfs my man. The system isn't really stacked against us but the system is stacked FOR them. It's all about money. Money and monied interests.
204 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:07:33pm |
re: #199 Gus 802
Hey, Gus. I'm pleased to notice that the reports of your demise were premature.
205 | jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:08:06pm |
re: #202 wlewisiii
I'm a fairly old school democratic socialist.
Best place to start is with market determination of demand & price along with democratic ownership of the means of production. See any of Michael Harrington's books ("Socialism: Past & Future", his last book before he died, is a good place to start) or [Link: www.dsausa.org...]
Gotcha sorry, just wanted to make sure that you weren't suggesting the Austrian system (WE WILL HAVE A STANDARD OF GOOLLLLLDDDDD!) I haven't spent much time looking at the strengths and weaknesses of economic theories to the left of the Keynesian system, and I really should do that.
For now though I need to hit the hay, have a good night everybody!
206 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:08:12pm |
re: #197 wlewisiii
Life is best when
the Packers win and the Vikings and Cowboys loose. Alas, only 2 our of 3.
This is practically blasphemy, but I gave up on Texas NFL teams years ago.
I was a Cowboys fan as a kid, but I've never liked Jerry Jones. I thought he handled Tom Landry's firing poorly. I understand why the firing happened. I get it. But treating a legend like a temp that stole office supplies was inexcusable. I also grew up in Houston, where Bud Adams was that city's asshole NFL owner.
Somewhere along the way, I decided that the Packers would be the closest to any team I'd follow because Cheeseheads are actually loyal fans and the city of Green Bay owns the team, so they're not going anywhere. It's worked out so far, especially since my boyfriend is a Packers fan.
208 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:08:32pm |
re: #196 Lidane
I love how NOT taking away guns and largely ignoring gun control issues is somehow a stealth conspiracy to take guns away later on. ROFL.
It's hilarious to watch them twist themselves into logical pretzels, trying to explain why the fabled "gun grabbing" hasn't happened yet. All the doomsday talk after Election Day '08 and nothing came of it. It's like all that talk about the Rapture: "Okay...it didn't happen yet...but that's just because it's been moved back to next year! FEAR!"
209 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:08:57pm |
re: #201 jaunte
It sounds like he has interesting ideas, but has trouble solving real-world problems:
I have an idea. Hire a Denver architect. And reduce the design fees to 10 percent or less of project cost. If even that much. It's just a damn hotel and a light rail station. No one around here really even cares about DIA. It's just an airport. In and out. Fly in. Fly out. It's not a destination.
This stupid town.
211 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:10:17pm |
re: #210 Gus 802
Why not? Because I still want to get laid?
Ah, the pursuit of the Great American Past-time. Heh.
/
212 | Amory Blaine Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:12:09pm |
re: #203 Gus 802
My household is revisiting its own trade policies. Taking a more careful look at who we "partner" with.
213 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:13:34pm |
All Hail the tri-cornered Hat!
How is everyone?
214 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:13:41pm |
re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, Gus. I'm pleased to notice that the reports of your demise were premature.
Still here. Trying to bite my tongue. Been hot all night in this stuffy place I'm staying. Can't complain though. So it feels like a have a fever. It's just hot! ;)
215 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:14:01pm |
re: #196 Lidane
I love how NOT taking away guns and largely ignoring gun control issues is somehow a stealth conspiracy to take guns away later on. ROFL.
If the Dems wanted to really mess with their minds and do the country some good, they'd say "Hey, the 1968 GCA was a mistake. Let's repeal it. The Hughes Amendment Reagan signed in 1986? Yeah that, too"
If they actually did that, they'd gut the NRA overnight.
216 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:14:29pm |
re: #213 ggt
Interview for Clerk position at a nearby drugstore tomorrow at 10 am.
So better than normal. :P
217 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:14:40pm |
re: #213 ggt
Sore. Tired. Watching Castle, because I'm a Nathan Fillion fangirl. All in all, life is good.
219 | Interesting Times Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:15:54pm |
re: #209 Gus 802
I'm guessing you've looked into this possibility already, but on the off-chance you haven't:
I've noticed what a thorough, complete, and effective job you do when it comes to research (e.g. your last item on the CFC inhaler ridiculousness, which got promoted to the front page). Have you ever considered checking if there are career opportunities in this field, like working for a think thank, non-profit, or similar organization?
220 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:15:58pm |
re: #216 laZardo
Interview for Clerk position at a nearby drugstore tomorrow at 10 am.
So better than normal. :P
Which one--national chain or local?
Good Luck, BTW!
221 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:16:20pm |
re: #217 Lidane
Sore. Tired. Watching Castle, because I'm a Nathan Fillion fangirl. All in all, life is good.
Glad to hear it!
Who is Nathan Fillion --I know, I can google too!
222 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:16:30pm |
re: #218 Gus 802
Smoke break.
Been there, done that. finally managed to quite a couple of years ago. I love Chantix.
223 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:18:40pm |
re: #213 ggt
All Hail the tri-cornered Hat!
How is everyone?
Cursing Microsoft's update policy that doesn't see new DLCs released before 5am EST. *muttergrumblemutter*
224 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:19:54pm |
re: #223 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Cursing Microsoft's update policy that doesn't see new DLCs released before 5am EST. *muttergrumblemutter*
Ok, can you translate that into American English?
225 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:20:29pm |
re: #221 ggt
Glad to hear it!
Who is Nathan Fillion --I know, I can google too!
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
I've liked him since Firefly. He's geeky and awesome. :D
226 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:20:50pm |
re: #219 publicityStunted
I'm guessing you've looked into this possibility already, but on the off-chance you haven't:
I've noticed what a thorough, complete, and effective job you do when it comes to research (e.g. your last item on the CFC inhaler ridiculousness, which got promoted to the front page). Have you ever considered checking if there are career opportunities in this field, like working for a think thank, non-profit, or similar organization?
Yes.
227 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:21:06pm |
re: #225 Lidane
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
I've liked him since Firefly. He's geeky and awesome. :D
ah, I never saw Firefly.
228 | jaunte Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:21:16pm |
Goodnight, Sarcastic Fringeheads and Collared Carpetsharks...
Thirty Vertebrate Common Names Potentially Useful As Insults
230 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:21:26pm |
re: #224 ggt
Ok, can you translate that into American English?
He's waiting on a dowloadable expansion for a game, but Microsoft doesn't put them online until 5am EST.
231 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:22:18pm |
re: #224 ggt
Ok, can you translate that into American English?
Microsoft doesn't seem to like to update the XBox Live Market prior to 5am EST, which means any new DownLoadable Content isn't available before then. And the new ones for Fallout: New Vegas are supposed to be available today, but I won't be able to get them for hours still.
232 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:22:26pm |
re: #219 publicityStunted
I'm guessing you've looked into this possibility already, but on the off-chance you haven't:
I've noticed what a thorough, complete, and effective job you do when it comes to research (e.g. your last item on the CFC inhaler ridiculousness, which got promoted to the front page). Have you ever considered checking if there are career opportunities in this field, like working for a think thank, non-profit, or similar organization?
Which BTW, I'd like to forward to a fb friend who is posting about the Obama "fuck-up" over this. Is it ok to do that without asking?
233 | Amory Blaine Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:24:04pm |
re: #144 Lidane
RE: the photo at the top of this thread --
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
Apparently it is. It gets you a front row seat for the greatest show on earth.
234 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:25:18pm |
re: #219 publicityStunted
I'm guessing you've looked into this possibility already, but on the off-chance you haven't:
I've noticed what a thorough, complete, and effective job you do when it comes to research (e.g. your last item on the CFC inhaler ridiculousness, which got promoted to the front page). Have you ever considered checking if there are career opportunities in this field, like working for a think thank, non-profit, or similar organization?
I was never good at selling myself though. Guess I lack the ego or something. But I have thought about this. Typically I wait around for an opportunity to come to me. But that's not how life works. Unfortunately, I've never been good at overcoming that. Not a good way to carry oneself but that's how I am. That page actually got over 25,000 views.
235 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:25:20pm |
re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Microsoft doesn't seem to like to update the XBox Live Market prior to 5am EST, which means any new DownLoadable Content isn't available before then. And the new ones for Fallout: New Vegas are supposed to be available today, but I won't be able to get them for hours still.
...that's 2am Pacific.
Us PS3 users usually get the week's stuff Tuesday evenings.
236 | Interesting Times Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:25:44pm |
re: #232 ggt
Which BTW, I'd like to forward to a fb friend who is posting about the Obama "fuck-up" over this. Is it ok to do that without asking?
Can't speak for Gus, but if I put that much time and effort into writing something, I'd want it read by as many people as possible. I would think the only things on this site we *shouldn't* share are those which could potentially reveal personal info.
237 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:27:57pm |
re: #232 ggt
Which BTW, I'd like to forward to a fb friend who is posting about the Obama "fuck-up" over this. Is it ok to do that without asking?
Go for it.
238 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:28:02pm |
re: #233 Amory Blaine
Apparently it is. It gets you a front row seat for the greatest show on earth.
The Greatest Clown Show on Earth, maybe. Heh.
Personally, if I had to cosplay to get front row seats for something, I'd only do it for Comic-Con. A political debate? Not so much.
239 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:28:10pm |
re: #235 laZardo
...that's 2am Pacific.
Us PS3 users usually get the week's stuff Tuesday evenings.
True. Guess I shouldn't complain...too loud.
240 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:29:19pm |
re: #234 Gus 802
I was never good at selling myself though. Guess I lack the ego or something. But I have thought about this. Typically I wait around for an opportunity to come to me. But that's not how life works. Unfortunately, I've never been good at overcoming that. Not a good way to carry oneself but that's how I am. That page actually got over 25,000 views.
Nothing wrong with tooting your own horn.
Sometimes I think of it as truthfully telling the good things about myself and leaving out the bad.
Helps to make a t-bar list thingy --I'm often surprised at how many positive things I can say about myself when trying to get work.
241 | Interesting Times Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:31:45pm |
re: #234 Gus 802
I was never good at selling myself though. Guess I lack the ego or something. But I have thought about this. Typically I wait around for an opportunity to come to me. But that's not how life works. Unfortunately, I've never been good at overcoming that. Not a good way to carry oneself but that's how I am. That page actually got over 25,000 views.
I've struggled with the same problem, so I can relate :( But look at this!
American Progress has an immediate opening for a Researcher to work with the research team that produces clean energy and climate-related content for the ThinkProgress War Room, and other research efforts.
Job responsibilities:
* Write content for media-ready research products.
* Research legislation and summarize arguments of the policy debate.
* Monitor media (print and television).
* Write content for the blog ThinkProgress.org, TP Green, etc.
* Assist with various research projects.
* Other tasks as assigned.
There are additional research jobs on their main career page.
242 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:31:46pm |
Ozone depleting chemical ban. Brought to you largely by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. Through the approval of the Montreal Protocol. My how times have changed. They don't make conservatives like they used to.
243 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:32:09pm |
re: #228 jaunte
Goodnight, Sarcastic Fringeheads and Collared Carpetsharks...
Thirty Vertebrate Common Names Potentially Useful As Insults
Haha, Chris Clarke - I know him. Fantastic writer.
244 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:33:50pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
Ozone depleting chemical ban. Brought to you largely by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. Through the approval of the Montreal Protocol. My how times have changed. They don't make conservatives like they used to.
Thank God for that. It's like talking about Nixon: Yeah, good things were done, but the bad is still weighted heavily against them.
245 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:35:16pm |
re: #241 publicityStunted
I've struggled with the same problem, so I can relate :( But look at this!
There are additional research jobs on their main career page.
Thanks. I'll make an effort to look into this further. For once.
246 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:36:38pm |
re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thank God for that. It's like talking about Nixon: Yeah, good things were done, but the bad is still weighted heavily against them.
I know. But I'm comparing them to the current crop of wingnuts. And the GOP field.
247 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:37:25pm |
re: #228 jaunte
Goodnight, Sarcastic Fringeheads and Collared Carpetsharks...
Thirty Vertebrate Common Names Potentially Useful As Insults
Captain Haddock does insults better. ;D
248 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:37:37pm |
re: #243 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Haha, Chris Clarke - I know him. Fantastic writer.
Yeah, well I know the California Smooth-Tongue.
Worked with him.
249 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:37:59pm |
re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thank God for that. It's like talking about Nixon: Yeah, good things were done, but the bad is still weighted heavily against them.
The hilarious thing is that Nixon couldn't get out of the primaries today. He took us off the gold standard and had a hand in both the EPA and OSHA, among other things.
250 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:38:10pm |
[Link: www.pangloss.com...]
251 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:39:45pm |
re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thank God for that. It's like talking about Nixon: Yeah, good things were done, but the bad is still weighted heavily against them.
Once upon a time it was possible to have decent conservative politicians. See Governor Dreyfus or Congressman Steve Gunderson from WI. Of course, Dreyfus is dead and Gunderson was forced out of his office when outed despite his very long term monogamy... :(
252 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:41:20pm |
re: #246 Gus 802
I know. But I'm comparing them to the current crop of wingnuts. And the GOP field.
Yeah, the decline of the GOP in sanity is rather sad to look at. Men like Eisenhower or even Nixon today would be RINOs who'd be run out of the party on a rail. And St. Ron himself is only tolerated so long as you stick to the myth rather than the man. Even Bush Sr. is absolutely reviled because he went against the holy scripture and raised taxes at a time of rising deficits.
253 | Lidane Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:42:09pm |
re: #252 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Even Bush Sr. is absolutely reviled because he went against the holy scripture and raised taxes at a time of rising deficits.
And Bush Sr. even had a degree in Economics to go with those tax hikes. Heh.
254 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:45:00pm |
re: #253 Lidane
And Bush Sr. even had a degree in Economics to go with those tax hikes. Heh.
Yep. And it's not like he was setting some kind of precedent, as Reagan hiked taxes 11 times, the first even as the recession that supposed was "solved" by tax cuts was going on. In total defiance of the "common knowledge" today that recessions are extended or deepened by higher taxes.
255 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:45:11pm |
re: #248 EmmmieG
Yeah, well I know the California Smooth-Tongue.
Worked with him.
The world is indeed small, after all.
256 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:45:18pm |
re: #249 Lidane
The hilarious thing is that Nixon couldn't get out of the primaries today. He took us off the gold standard and had a hand in both the EPA and OSHA.
Yep. Also price controls. And of course we should never forget that Nixon also capitulated in Vietnam. Sure, there were outside forces like the defunding of the war. But one of the bills to defund the Vietnam War was authored by a Republican as well (citation needed). Nixon was weird. But these Republicans today almost make Nixon look like a normal person.
Now that's really strange.
Kissinger on the other hand. Well, there are issues with Latin America that are almost unforgivable.
257 | freetoken Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:46:46pm |
re: #245 Gus 802
Thanks. I'll make an effort to look into this further. For once.
I wouldn't mind doing it, and I have the resume, but... I've worked in DC before and frankly I found the environment to be anything but enlightening or soul-satisfying.
258 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:47:06pm |
re: #249 Lidane
The hilarious thing is that Nixon couldn't get out of the primaries today. He took us off the gold standard and had a hand in both the EPA and OSHA, among other things.
But he was not a crook.
/you try saying that aloud, WITHOUT the accent.
259 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:47:51pm |
re: #252 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Bush, Sr, is a man I can respect. Not because of his views but there was nothing that required him to become the US Navy's youngest combat pilot, up to that time, in WWII. He was the utter opposite of the chicken hawks like Cheney. I may disagree with very nearly every decision he made, but damn it, he believed in this nation enough to put his neck out there on the line. As I have seen it put elsewhere, "A Veteran, whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve, is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to “The United States of America” for an amount of “up to and including my life.” " He put his name on that blank check.
260 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:54:06pm |
re: #197 wlewisiii
Life is best when the Packers win and the Vikings and Cowboys loose. Alas, only 2 our of 3.
No, life is best when all three of those teams lose.
/Go Bears!
261 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:54:40pm |
re: #259 wlewisiii
Bush, Sr, is a man I can respect. Not because of his views but there was nothing that required him to become the US Navy's youngest combat pilot, up to that time, in WWII. He was the utter opposite of the chicken hawks like Cheney. I may disagree with very nearly every decision he made, but damn it, he believed in this nation enough to put his neck out there on the line. As I have seen it put elsewhere, "A Veteran, whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve, is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to “The United States of America” for an amount of “up to and including my life.” " He put his name on that blank check.
I have respect for any man who puts on the uniform, provided he did nothing to disgrace himself or the service to which he pledged himself to. Which is why I generally saw no reason to rag on Dubya's TANG service, because even if you make the argument that Bush Sr. got him in, he still served. And the F-102 was not, by any measure of the imagination, an easy bird to fly.
262 | freetoken Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:56:07pm |
The problem I have with CAP, even though it's not a looney bin or out in the no-man's-land of nut-hood like real left wing organizations, is that ideological think tanks (of any stripe) are not really open to the big, big questions if the answers that come back undermine the mission of the people at the top.
This is true of any organization which is ideologically bound.
ThinkProgress might be a useful site for news pushers and bloggers, but I wonder how much it really affects the majority (or even large minority groups) of Americans?
Only the small fraction of the population (like us here) who are wonky enough to care about researching issues really get into the finer points of policies and information and politics.
Most Americans tonight are watching football, or DWTS, or the new Fox dino-series, rather than reading books or websites about the issues of the day.
That's just the way it is.
263 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:56:35pm |
re: #252 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, the decline of the GOP in sanity is rather sad to look at. Men like Eisenhower or even Nixon today would be RINOs who'd be run out of the party on a rail. And St. Ron himself is only tolerated so long as you stick to the myth rather than the man. Even Bush Sr. is absolutely reviled because he went against the holy scripture and raised taxes at a time of rising deficits.
He promised not to raise taxes and made that promise very memorable. And then he raised taxes. That sort of action will tick off your base every time. What he should have done was refuse to compromise on that point. If that meant a prolonged shutdown, then that should have been accepted. Once you take that kind of stand you have to hold the line.
264 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:57:14pm |
re: #262 freetoken
The problem I have with CAP, even though it's not a looney bin or out in the no-man's-land of nut-hood like real left wing organizations, is that ideological think tanks (of any stripe) are not really open to the big, big questions if the answers that come back undermine the mission of the people at the top.
This is true of any organization which is ideologically bound.
ThinkProgress might be a useful site for news pushers and bloggers, but I wonder how much it really affects the majority (or even large minority groups) of Americans?
Only the small fraction of the population (like us here) who are wonky enough to care about researching issues really get into the finer points of policies and information and politics.
Most Americans tonight are watching football, or DWTS, or the new Fox dino-series, rather than reading books or websites about the issues of the day.
That's just the way it is.
Terra Nova is worth watching, BTW.
265 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:58:14pm |
re: #264 Dark_Falcon
Terra Nova is worth watching, BTW.
Is it? I've got it on DVR and was considering watching it later. Did it do well in avoiding being too cheesy?
266 | goddamnedfrank Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:00:47pm |
re: #263 Dark_Falcon
He promised not to raise taxes and made that promise very memorable. And then he raised taxes. That sort of action will tick off your base every time. What he should have done was refuse to compromise on that point. If that meant a prolonged shutdown, then that should have been accepted. Once you take that kind of stand you have to hold the line.
That would have destroyed him all the same, by worsening his already bad economy. What he should have done is simply not made the promise, painting oneself into a corner is always a bad strategy.
267 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:01:32pm |
re: #262 freetoken
The problem I have with CAP, even though it's not a looney bin or out in the no-man's-land of nut-hood like real left wing organizations, is that ideological think tanks (of any stripe) are not really open to the big, big questions if the answers that come back undermine the mission of the people at the top.
This is true of any organization which is ideologically bound.
ThinkProgress might be a useful site for news pushers and bloggers, but I wonder how much it really affects the majority (or even large minority groups) of Americans?
Only the small fraction of the population (like us here) who are wonky enough to care about researching issues really get into the finer points of policies and information and politics.
Most Americans tonight are watching football, or DWTS, or the new Fox dino-series, rather than reading books or websites about the issues of the day.
That's just the way it is.
Maybe. But it's all about target marketing anyway.
Frankly. Most people are either eating, sleeping and working. The majority of people are on their iPhones talking about their girlfriends or boyfriends though. You know. The blue haze upon their faces.
But look at DWTS and Chaz Bono. Look at how political Perez Hilton became with his single question to that bimbo. The options are there for everyone.
268 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:05:19pm |
re: #265 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Is it? I've got it on DVR and was considering watching it later. Did it do well in avoiding being too cheesy?
Yes, it did. YMMV, of course.
269 | Amory Blaine Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:05:25pm |
re: #262 freetoken
It's nice to have the data in the ether, for those that are curious and posterity.
270 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:09:24pm |
re: #266 goddamnedfrank
That would have destroyed him all the same, by worsening his already bad economy. What he should have done is simply not made the promise, painting oneself into a corner is always a bad strategy.
Once you're there, you're there. But to some degree, it really is useless to wargame 'what-ifs' of either President Bush being outright combative in matters of domestic policy. That just is not the sort of man either the father or the son is or wants to be. Bush the Younger was willing to take a harder line, but even then he was never nasty about it.
So a scenario where George the Elder flung compromise aside and took an aggressive stance was never in the cards. He just is not that kind of man,
272 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:09:55pm |
re: #229 laZardo
Bartell. Regional chain for the Northwest.
I work part-time for a local drug store. I think one of the best things about it is that is in my community, so our regular customers are also part of my community. Most are people I would never know otherwise.
273 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:12:15pm |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
Once you're there, you're there. But to some degree, it really is useless to wargame 'what-ifs' of either President Bush being outright combative in matters of domestic policy. That just is not the sort of man either the father or the son is or wants to be. Bush the Younger was willing to take a harder line, but even then he was never nasty about it.
So a scenario where George the Elder flung compromise aside and took an aggressive stance was never in the cards. He just is not that kind of man,
I always got the idea that Bush Sr thought the POTUS should concentrate on Foreign Affairs and leave the domestic stuff to Congress and the States. He was, of course, strongest in Foreign Affairs.
Unfortunately, his presidency was at a time when the citizens seemed to want a Domestic Affairs POTUS. His perceived apathy during the Rodney King Incident and LA Riots was bad, bad planning.
274 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:12:55pm |
There used to be a certain amount of decorum though. You can see some old films of Robert Kennedy defending Ronald Reagan. We didn't have anonymity to hide behind. There were less pranksters around. Now, most of the internet is about being an anonymous asshole. The political dialogue is centered around this anonymity. In an ironic twist even after the sexual revolution and feminism the machismo has been turned up to 11.
275 | wheat-dogg Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:15:38pm |
re: #274 Gus 802
And some of most the machismo-sounding guys are anything but macho-looking, e.g., Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Andrew Breitbert, James O'Keefe.
276 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:16:54pm |
re: #275 wheatdogg
And some of most the machismo-sounding guys are anything but macho-looking, e.g., Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Andrew Breitbert, James O'Keefe.
They think their money makes them sexy.
Hannity is the only one that comes close --
/gah
277 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:17:52pm |
re: #273 ggt
I always got the idea that Bush Sr thought the POTUS should concentrate on Foreign Affairs and leave the domestic stuff to Congress and the States. He was, of course, strongest in Foreign Affairs.
Unfortunately, his presidency was at a time when the citizens seemed to want a Domestic Affairs POTUS. His perceived apathy during the Rodney King Incident and LA Riots was bad, bad planning.
It may have been bad planning but it was totally expected, as was his wife's callous attitude towards Katrina survivors in an unpreventable natural disaster.
One group of people to pick up on those attitudes were the rank/file Evangelicals, who, rightly, never really trusted HW's overtures.
278 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:18:51pm |
re: #275 wheatdogg
And some of most the machismo-sounding guys are anything but macho-looking, e.g., Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Andrew Breitbert, James O'Keefe.
They are perfect examples of why I can't stand something-to-prove conservative men. Not like the something-to-prove conservative women are any better. But still.
279 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:20:12pm |
re: #278 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
They are perfect examples of why I can't stand something-to-prove conservative men. Not like the something-to-prove conservative women are any better. But still.
I don't know "I am the embodiment of the perfect modern-day Christian woman" Bachmann is far worse to me than Limbaugh.
At least, Limbaugh knows he is an entertainer.
280 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:21:43pm |
re: #277 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It may have been bad planning but it was totally expected, as was his wife's callous attitude towards Katrina survivors in an unpreventable natural disaster.
One group of people to pick up on those attitudes were the rank/file Evangelicals, who, rightly, never really trusted HW's overtures.
Katrina was during Bush Jr's term --no?
I'm confused.
281 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:25:05pm |
re: #277 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It may have been bad planning but it was totally expected, as was his wife's callous attitude towards Katrina survivors in an unpreventable natural disaster.
One group of people to pick up on those attitudes were the rank/file Evangelicals, who, rightly, never really trusted HW's overtures.
Katrina still makes my head explode. So many days before we even delivered water to those people. Finally the Feds came and they showed up ready for an invasion treating the local population like an enemy force. Cops committing suicide or murder. Cops doing B and Es. That idiot Brown in charge of FEMA talking about how he looked on camera. That asshole Cheney touring NOLA. What a failure. The mayor. The governor. The Senators. The Reps. The president.
282 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:29:56pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Katrina still makes my head explode. So many days before we even delivered water to those people. Finally the Feds came and they showed up ready for an invasion treating the local population like an enemy force. Cops committing suicide or murder. Cops doing B and Es. That idiot Brown in charge of FEMA talking about how he looked on camera. That asshole Cheney touring NOLA. What a failure. The mayor. The governor. The Senators. The Reps. The president.
It was a clusterfuck all around. No one person holds all the blame, there's plenty to go around. And the media certainly didn't help matters, running stories about rumors and innuendo as though they were hard facts, using victims as stage props, and overall just making an utter mess of the whole deal.
283 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:31:07pm |
re: #280 ggt
Katrina was during Bush Jr's term --no?
I'm confused.
Yes. But George the Elder visited the Astrodome with Barbara (George H.W.'s wife, not the daughter of George W. who is named for her grandmother). She came across as indifferent to the plight of the of the refugees, or at least condescending.
284 | Gus Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:31:57pm |
re: #282 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It was a clusterfuck all around. No one person holds all the blame, there's plenty to go around. And the media certainly didn't help matters, running stories about rumors and innuendo as though they were hard facts, using victims as stage props, and overall just making an utter mess of the whole deal.
Yep. Like most of the BS stories about the stadium. From the "media" that is. You can't rely on the them though. They're just a bunch of hairdos.
285 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:33:38pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Katrina still makes my head explode. So many days before we even delivered water to those people. Finally the Feds came and they showed up ready for an invasion treating the local population like an enemy force. Cops committing suicide or murder. Cops doing B and Es. That idiot Brown in charge of FEMA talking about how he looked on camera. That asshole Cheney touring NOLA. What a failure. The mayor. The governor. The Senators. The Reps. The president.
and Nagin got re-elected . .
go figure.
286 | Targetpractice Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:35:17pm |
re: #284 Gus 802
Yep. Like most of the BS stories about the stadium. From the "media" that is. You can't rely on the them though. They're just a bunch of hairdos.
I still remember the rumors about bodies being stacked like cord wood, being squirreled away, and so much other BS. Thousands of body bags, man!
/
287 | austin_blue Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:36:02pm |
re: #279 ggt
I don't know "I am the embodiment of the perfect modern-day Christian woman" Bachmann is far worse to me than Limbaugh.
At least, Limbaugh knows he is an entertainer.
His audience doesn't. They suck it in and claim righteousness. He's a bad man.
288 | austin_blue Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:39:22pm |
re: #286 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I still remember the rumors about bodies being stacked like cord wood, being squirreled away, and so much other BS. Thousands of body bags, man!
/
Well, a thousand or so, anyway. They were recovering corpses well into '06.
289 | wheat-dogg Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:39:30pm |
Limbaugh has found an audience, and a ready source of income, like a lot of other RW mouthpieces. He's duplicitous, which is bad enough. Bachmann is a True Believer (and nuts), and that's even worse.
290 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:39:33pm |
If G-d had an iPhone, he wouldn't have to come down to earth to play Skee-ball.
291 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:41:01pm |
re: #289 wheatdogg
Limbaugh has found an audience, and a ready source of income, like a lot of other RW mouthpieces. He's duplicitous, which is bad enough. Bachmann is a True Believer (and nuts), and that's even worse.
Rush knows he is a carnival main attraction. Bachman thinks the carnival is real life.
292 | wheat-dogg Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:43:28pm |
Maybe the next TP debate should require the candidates to wear clown costumes. It's just a step removed from the 18th century get-ups their audience wears, and more representative.
293 | laZardo Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:44:38pm |
re: #292 wheatdogg
Maybe the next TP debate should require the candidates to wear clown costumes. It's just a step removed from the 18th century get-ups their audience wears, and more representative.
I didn't know juggalos voted Republican.
/hOnK hOnK
294 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:45:59pm |
re: #283 Dark_Falcon
Yes. But George the Elder visited the Astrodome with Barbara (George H.W.'s wife, not the daughter of George W. who is named for her grandmother). She came across as indifferent to the plight of the of the refugees, or at least condescending.
She came across as quite typical, really.
295 | wheat-dogg Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:49:20pm |
Time for a nap. Got classes in another hour. Cheers!
296 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:49:29pm |
The cutest retired couple came in the store today. Both were looking for items, asking for help and checking prices. I helped the husband.
When they finally came to the register, the husband said that his wife said they could only spend $2 today and he lost. She brought her items to the counter and then he brought out a baggie full of change. With tax it was something like $2.14. He dumped the baggie and started to count out the coins. She interrupted and finished counting --telling him to spend the pennies first so he would have less weight to carry.
He said "See, she won't even let me spend $2."
It was also obvious that she NEVER worked outside the home and they had plenty of money because she had been a saver not a spender.
They were a real team and I LMAO.
I want to be married for that long and be like that when I'm retired.
297 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:49:38pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Katrina still makes my head explode. So many days before we even delivered water to those people. Finally the Feds came and they showed up ready for an invasion treating the local population like an enemy force. Cops committing suicide or murder. Cops doing B and Es. That idiot Brown in charge of FEMA talking about how he looked on camera. That asshole Cheney touring NOLA. What a failure. The mayor. The governor. The Senators. The Reps. The president.
I was at a music conference in 2008, at which the main theme was the place of the arts and music in rebuilding after Katrina. The city was just barely starting to pick up, though of course downtown was thriving, not that I begrudge them.
But Katrina really showed up the conservative confederate attitude towards those who are in accidents or so-called acts of god, especially if one is nonwhite and most especially if one is Black and not part of the Republican target market.
Meet 'em on the bridge and shove the barrel of your gun in their face. Pull the trigger, if it pleases you.
Dirty confeds.
298 | austin_blue Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:51:19pm |
re: #289 wheatdogg
Limbaugh has found an audience, and a ready source of income, like a lot of other RW mouthpieces. He's duplicitous, which is bad enough. Bachmann is a True Believer (and nuts), and that's even worse.
Truth. I really believe she believes what she says.
That's why it's called Crazy Talk.
Unless Mitt Romney admits to having plural wives, I think the nom is his. I suppose Pointy Boots can make a run from behind, but he has had the bullshit kicked out of him (leaving only a pair of empty boots) in the debates. His weakness in a forum or debate, as opposed to the stump, where he is brilliant, has been exposed.
Which sucks. Obama would *so* kick his ass. Now he will continue to be my Governor.
299 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:00:41pm |
re: #290 ggt
If G-d had an iPhone, he wouldn't have to come down to earth to play Skee-ball.
Yeah, but Kevin Smith has not been given the ability to see into the future. He didn't know the iPhone was coming back when Dogma was made.
/I caught the reference
301 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:04:52pm |
re: #289 wheatdogg
Limbaugh has found an audience, and a ready source of income, like a lot of other RW mouthpieces. He's duplicitous, which is bad enough. Bachmann is a True Believer (and nuts), and that's even worse.
Actually, though, that would make Bachmann a better person, though. A True Believer, however crazy or evil, at least has the virtue of sincerity and some level of honesty. Duplicity has neither of those things.
Not talking about the person's effects on the world, just the person as a person.
304 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:12:29pm |
305 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:13:09pm |
From the comments section at the link on my Page.
Zappa was right. If only we had listened to him years ago we'd be free of the idiocy of TV. And we'd floss more.
LOL
307 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:14:28pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
Actually, though, that would make Bachmann a better person, though. A True Believer, however crazy or evil, at least has the virtue of sincerity and some level of honesty. Duplicity has neither of those things.
Not talking about the person's effects on the world, just the person as a person.
Strangely, I see Limbaugh as the honest person. Delusional is not honest, it's a lie to the self and to the world.
308 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:16:57pm |
re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea
You know those guys have developed the teaparty cosplay equilvalent of yiffing.
Perhaps 'mobbing', in honor of the mobcap?
309 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:17:51pm |
re: #307 ggt
Strangely, I see Limbaugh as the honest person. Delusional is not honest, it's a lie to the self and to the world.
That is a valid way to look at it, that Limbaugh is at least more honest to himself.
I've got to sign off for the night. Sleep well, all.
310 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:20:43pm |
311 | BongCrodny Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:23:14pm |
re: #275 wheatdogg
And some of most the machismo-sounding guys are anything but macho-looking, e.g., Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Andrew Breitbert, James O'Keefe.
If these guys are so tough, let's see 'em stay at Motel 6 on their next book tour.
312 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:27:08pm |
re: #155 Lidane
Apparently, being a gamer in his 50's is an insult.
Never mind that most of the people making the games are in their 40's and 50's. It's somehow an insult. ROFL.
My husband is only 35, but he will be a gamer in his 50s, ain't no doubt.
313 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:29:29pm |
re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist
My husband is only 35, but he will be a gamer in his 50s, ain't no doubt.
Gaming requires basic problem solving skills and reasoning, which some people seem to be sorely lacking in. No wonder they hate.
314 | BongCrodny Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:34:23pm |
The guy on the right (our left) in the photo looks like he's waving a bedpan over his head.
315 | Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:41:34pm |
re: #314 BongCrodny
The guy on the right (our left) in the photo looks like he's waving a bedpan over his head.
I've never seen a 3-cornered bed pan.
do they make those just for guys?
:0
316 | Amory Blaine Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:47:08pm |
re: #313 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It's a social activity like golf, or a bridge club.
317 | Kragar Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:50:55pm |
re: #316 Amory Blaine
It's a social activity like golf, or a bridge club.
Nothing like a few good friends getting together screaming WAAAGH! and BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! while the spend a few hours shooting each other in the name of good natured fun.
319 | freetoken Tue, Sep 27, 2011 1:10:11am |
re: #265 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Is it? I've got it on DVR and was considering watching it later. Did it do well in avoiding being too cheesy?
Well, I've tried to watch the premier (of Terra Nova) and only got half way.
No, it is not cheesy. But... the target audience is clearly for people younger than me.
The problem isn't the time travel or the silly "science" (I realize stories need McGuffins, no matter how unrealistic), but I find the characters to be so unbelievable (and some of the acting awkward) and the interpersonal dialogue comes off as written by a sophomore drama student. The most believable character, and actor, is the little girl, who is adorable.
It's classic Spielberg in a way - simple and formulaic, with lots and lots of stereotypes.
Not my cup of tea.
320 | freetoken Tue, Sep 27, 2011 1:10:49am |
If they had gone for more comedy and less drama I think it would have worked better.
324 | wheat-dogg Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:22:33am |
re: #311 BongCrodny
Motel 6? Too cushy. Let 'em sleep in their cars. Or better yet, one car.
327 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:55:49am |
Dixie Chicks still toxic:
Programmers Say Dixie Chicks Still Not Welcome On Their Airwaves
[Link: www.radio-info.com...]
In last Thursday’s Stark Country, we revealed that gold spins are on the rise for the Dixie Chicks eight and a half years after the incident that cost them their career. But even after all this time, a surprising number of country programmers say they’re still not playing the group’s past hits. Even those who are playing them are doing so very cautiously, with the politics of each market still playing a deciding role. When asked if all had been forgiven and forgotten when it comes to the Chicks, one programmer responded, “Are you kidding?”
328 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:56:48am |
re: #327 RogueOne
Dixie Chicks still toxic:
Programmers Say Dixie Chicks Still Not Welcome On Their Airwaves
[Link: www.radio-info.com...]
CENSORSH1!P!!!
329 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:57:10am |
re: #326 rwdflynavy
Rogue, Quit hiding!
Who's hiding? I didn't want to break up the quiet groove. Luckily you did it for me. How goes life CPT?
330 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:58:22am |
re: #329 RogueOne
Who's hiding? I didn't want to break up the quiet groove. Luckily you did it for me. How goes life CPT?
Good, School is getting busy with mid-terms and papers. How about you?
331 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:00:45am |
re: #330 rwdflynavy
Good, School is getting busy with mid-terms and papers. How about you?
I'm taking a few days off before the end of the year rush. Everyone stops building right around the end of the year so they try to get as many projects in as they can in Sept/Oct. I already have 6 more projects lined up.
332 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:01:02am |
Hey, Sergey, feel like contributing here?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
333 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:03:30am |
MSNBC is showing a clip from an Obama heckler yesterday. A young Jesus heckler, weird.
334 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:06:22am |
re: #333 RogueOne
MSNBC is showing a clip from an Obama heckler yesterday. A young Jesus heckler, weird.
Must be a racist if he is heckling Obama
//
335 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:08:04am |
I gotta run. Yearbook meeting and softball game after classes. It's like High School again, without the acne!!
Later Lizards!
336 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:16:20am |
re: #333 RogueOne
MSNBC is showing a clip from an Obama heckler yesterday. A young Jesus heckler, weird.
WOW
he must be old if he's heckled both Obama AND Jesus!
Did he do it in Aramaic??
337 | Shropshire_Slasher Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:21:55am |
A little housekeeping.
Gus, glad to see your back (I know your offline!)
I'm a gamer till I drop dead.
I'm currently having maple and brown sugar high fiber oatmeal with a pat of butter.
I'm wearing white sox with matching underwear.
Ok I'm good, now I can take on the day!
338 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:23:56am |
re: #337 Shropshire_Slasher
I'm wearing white sox with matching underwear
The socks look good, but why are you wearing the undies on your head?
339 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:25:08am |
340 | Shropshire_Slasher Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:25:13am |
re: #338 sattv4u2
You can see me WTH!
Damn hackers.
Remember, yellow in the front, brown in the back.
341 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:25:57am |
re: #340 Shropshire_Slasher
You can see me WTH!
Damn hackers.
Remember, yellow in the front, brown in the back.
And come Wednesday, turn them inside out to get another 3 days wear out of them
342 | BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:25:57am |
re: #327 RogueOne
Dixie Chicks still toxic:
Programmers Say Dixie Chicks Still Not Welcome On Their Airwaves
[Link: www.radio-info.com...]
I don't see how their audience is going to forgive the Dixie Chicks after eight years when it's still fighting the Civil War after 150 years.
343 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:28:20am |
re: #336 sattv4u2
WOW
he must be old if he's heckled both Obama AND Jesus!
Did he do it in Aramaic??
No, he did it in screaming english. Who pays $250 to get into a fundraiser so they can get immediately tossed out calling the president the "anti-christ"? OTOH, it gave the president a chance to confirm his love for the baby jesus.....
344 | Shropshire_Slasher Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:29:41am |
re: #342 BongCrodny
I don't understand the romance of the Civil War. While I was on vacation in Maine, I noticed a pickup with the stars and bars painted proudly on the hood, WTF. Maine had some of the best fighters in the Civil War. Nothing screams ignorance like the stars and bars.
345 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:33:46am |
re: #343 RogueOne
Well, the baby cheese head is pretty adorable.
346 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:34:47am |
Another wardrobe malfunction and this time it was Nancy Grace. Why can't any of these nipple slips happen to a pair you'd actually want to see?
Nancy Grace Has Nip Slip on Dancing with the Stars
[Link: www.usmagazine.com...]
DWTS has to be taken off the air. It's for the children...If it only saves one life pair of eyes....
347 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:35:55am |
re: #345 Obdicut
Well, the baby cheese head is pretty adorable.
The problem is he'll grow up to look like this:
Image: packers-fan01.jpg
348 | Shropshire_Slasher Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:37:03am |
re: #346 RogueOne
I threw up a little in my mouth
349 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:47:43am |
( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)ノ (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) ( ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟◉‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)☆ (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) ((((゜д゜;)))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃)۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)۶ (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
350 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:47:55am |
Honolulu police get ready for APEC meeting:
Honolulu Police Load Up on Taser Ammo, Pepper Spray, Bean Bags for APEC
[Link: www.civilbeat.com...]
Twenty-five-thousand pepper spray projectiles for nearly $90,000. Eighteen-thousand units of bean bag ammunition for more than $60,000. Three-thousand Taser cartridges for another $60,000.
And a special, $13,000, long-range loudspeaker typically used to communicate authoritatively from a distance — for example from military helicopters to pirates at sea.
Those items are just a sampling of the Honolulu Police Department's lengthy shopping list in preparation for the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit this November. (We share the full list at the bottom of this article.)
In all, the department requested more than $700,000 in so-called "non-lethal" or "less-lethal" weapon technologies in the last two years, according to Civil Beat's analysis of records obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union of Hawaii under the state's open records law. The ACLU provided Civil Beat with 42 pages of requests and invoices it received from the city.
351 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:48:27am |
re: #349 000G
( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)ノ ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) ( ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:࿶ 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)� 2606; (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
o_O
352 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:51:11am |
re: #351 iossarian
[Link: rotting.tumblr.com...]
353 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:55:16am |
Kelly Thomas' Father Claims Harassment by Cypress Police Department
[Link: www.ktla.com...]
(Video story)
354 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:55:49am |
The morning after the Dallas Cowboys defeat the Washington Redskins; I feel... satisfied... without any of the "morning after" regret...
355 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:59:11am |
re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The morning after the Dallas Cowboys defeat the Washington Redskins; I feel... satisfied... without any of the "morning after" regret...
There's a pill for that.
356 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:59:39am |
re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The morning after the Dallas Cowboys defeat the Washington Redskins; I feel... satisfied... without any of the "morning after" regret...
PS Romo still an awful quarterback.
357 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:03:32am |
re: #356 iossarian
Well, I ain't a big fan of Tony. But I'll tell you this.
He's tough as hell. He wooks wike a widdle pansy; but he ain't.
It would be close to impossible to do what he did last night.
358 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:13:17am |
Good morning lizards.
How bout them Cowboys!
359 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:14:42am |
re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, I ain't a big fan of Tony. But I'll tell you this.
He's tough as hell. He wooks wike a widdle pansy; but he ain't.
It would be close to impossible to do what he did last night.
He's tough, I will give him that.
Meaningless prediction: he will never win a Super Bowl.
360 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:21:12am |
re: #359 iossarian
I think this is the last year that they'll give him an opportunity to prove that he can go deep into the post-season.
I'm basing that on absolutely no inside information or knowledge.
361 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:27:39am |
re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think this is the last year that they'll give him an opportunity to prove that he can go deep into the post-season.
Yeah, I don't know. That whole organization seems to have been messed up for ages now. Off the field, on the field.
Yes, they won last night, but they looked pretty shambolic - missed snaps, players not knowing where to line up etc. You also have to remember that the Redskins are not exactly a powerhouse (Grossman was probably even worse than Romo last night, a craptastic display capped off by one of the stupidest sacks you'll ever see someone take).
You can't win championships that way.
362 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:29:22am |
re: #361 iossarian
No argument from me, there.
363 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:32:38am |
364 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:34:35am |
365 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:36:27am |
Did anyone else notice that Dallas now has Jeff Bridges coordinating their defense?
366 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:50:18am |
No Rocky Mountain high for Barack Obama
[Link: www.politico.com...]
The president, who pitches his new jobs plan at a downtown Denver high school this afternoon on his way home from a three-day West Coast trip, faces a surprisingly tough fight in a state one Obama adviser recently labeled as “the bellwether of bellwethers.”
What is particularly worrisome for the Obama campaign is that Colorado in many ways is the most friendly of the high-stakes, fast-changing swing states — that also include Virginia, North Carolina and Wisconsin — that he’s banking on for 2012.
367 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:59:42am |
re: #366 RogueOne
Meh, I'm not too worried about it. Obama certainly has problems but the GOP has bigger problems. They can run moderate Mitt and alienate the religious right/Tea Party base or the can run a radical loon (BAchmann, Perry, Cain) and scare the shit out of everybody. They don't have any good choices.
368 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:00:36am |
Good news: House GOP won't block spending deal
369 | AK-47% Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:00:57am |
re: #327 RogueOne
Dixie Chicks still toxic:
Programmers Say Dixie Chicks Still Not Welcome On Their Airwaves
[Link: www.radio-info.com...]
I cannot feel too sorry for the Dixie Chicks, they were making a lot of money but then they bit The Hand That Feeds Them: country music in America is all about celebrating great American Values in a idealized form: family, country, love of God/County, drinkin' fightin' and raisin' hell (on weekends only, though), etc.
They made a big mistake of thinking they could make even an offhand comment injurious to the sensibilities of those listeners and not offend them deeply.
370 | AK-47% Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:01:50am |
re: #349 000G
( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)ノ ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) ( ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:࿶ 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)� 2606; (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Was that an attempt at posting in Chinese?
371 | freetoken Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:02:29am |
re: #349 000G
( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)ノ (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) ( ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟◉& #8245;ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡&# 9531;━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・ ゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`) 734; (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃)۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾• ;̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)۶ (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Yeah, that's what Tutankhamun said.
372 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:02:40am |
re: #367 Killgore Trout
I think Mitt, if he ends up the nominee, could win in CO. Perry flamed into the lead and it looks like he's flaming back out. A lot of the base won't like voting for Romney, but they'll do it.
373 | BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:04:25am |
re: #344 Shropshire_Slasher
I don't understand the romance of the Civil War. While I was on vacation in Maine, I noticed a pickup with the stars and bars painted proudly on the hood, WTF. Maine had some of the best fighters in the Civil War. Nothing screams ignorance like the stars and bars.
Maine has its fair share of rednecks. We recently had the "Redneck Olympics" up here, which was very successful by any measuring stick.
Events included "wife carrying," "beer swilling" and "bobbing for pigs feet."
(That the U.S. Olympics Committee has warned the owner not to use "Olympics" any more is beside the point; the hootenanny was quite successful and they've made plans to do it again next year.)
About 25 or so years ago, the Ku Klux Klan came to my hometown (about an hour-and-a-half northwest of Portland) because they thought that economic conditions in the area made it a perfect recruiting place and one they thought would be receptive to the Klan's message.
374 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:08:04am |
re: #373 BongCrodny
...
Events included "wife carrying," "beer swilling" and "bobbing for pigs feet."
.....
Sounds like a good way to get Trichinosis
375 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:09:34am |
re: #365 iossarian
Did anyone else notice that Dallas now has Jeff Bridges coordinating their defense?
He looks like the Weary Kind...
376 | BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:12:21am |
re: #369 ralphieboy
I cannot feel too sorry for the Dixie Chicks, they were making a lot of money but then they bit The Hand That Feeds Them: country music in America is all about celebrating great American Values in a idealized form: family, country, love of God/County, drinkin' fightin' and raisin' hell (on weekends only, though), etc.
They made a big mistake of thinking they could make even an offhand comment injurious to the sensibilities of those listeners and not offend them deeply.
Then they doubled down with the Entertainment Weekly cover.
Then they doubled down again with the "FUTK" flap.
Then they doubled down again by releasing an angry, maybe even bitter, song as their "comeback."
For a group that sold as many albums as they did, they were kinda tone deaf when it came to understanding their market.
377 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:12:43am |
re: #371 freetoken
Yeah, that's what Tutankhamun said.
Translation?
"I'm not dead! Get me out of this damn box!"
378 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:13:59am |
re: #349 000G
( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)ノ ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) ( ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:࿶ 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)☆ (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
You really need a hobby!
379 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:14:15am |
re: #376 BongCrodny
Then they doubled down with the Entertainment Weekly cover.
Then they doubled down again with the "FUTK" flap.
Then they doubled down again by releasing an angry, maybe even bitter, song as their "comeback."For a group that sold as many albums as they did, they were kinda tone deaf when it came to understanding their market.
On one hand 8 years seems like a long time to hold a grudge. OTOH, I still change the station anytime Metallica comes on.
380 | BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:14:35am |
re: #349 000G
( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)ノ ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) ( ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:࿶ 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)☆ (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
The Aristocrats!
381 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:15:44am |
re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Translation?
"I'm not dead! Get me out of this damn box!"
"I thought you were dead"
"I got better"
382 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:16:35am |
re: #379 RogueOne
On one hand 8 years seems like a long time to hold a grudge. OTOH, I still change the station anytime Metallica comes on.
384 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:19:19am |
re: #383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
BTW ,, (meant to ask awhile ago) who's the furry critter?
385 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:21:43am |
386 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:22:45am |
C:UsersOwnerPicturesour boysDSC00549.JPG
gggrrrrr
388 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:24:53am |
389 | Interesting Times Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:25:12am |
re: #387 sattv4u2
It looks like you're pasting a URL that's for your own hard drive -
try LGF's "Upload Image" function instead.
390 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:25:50am |
Just found "The Adventures of Mark Twain" starring Frederick March on In-Demand.
John Ford was the "Art Director".
The hell with y'all for a couple of hours.
391 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:27:24am |
re: #384 sattv4u2
My dog, Rocky. Five and a half pounds of thunder!
392 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:27:31am |
re: #388 RogueOne
Do you carry them around in your purse?
I prefer calling it my Man Bag
[Link: www.ebags.com...]
393 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:28:32am |
re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My dog, Rocky. Five and a half pounds of thunder!
heh,, McDuff at a healthy 18 pounds (how, I have no idea as he eats at least that much per day
Einstien, the hyper one at a whopping 12 lbs
394 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:31:11am |
re: #386 sattv4u2
1) GET http://littlegreenfootballs.com/../C:/Documents/bank_password.doc
2) ???
3) PROFIT!
395 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:33:39am |
re: #390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm already back. No "Closed Captioning". Gosh, that pisses me off. Everything on TV should be closed captioned. I don't understand when it is not.
SATTV? How does it work? Not magnets, but CC?
396 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:34:13am |
re: #394 iossarian
1) GET http://littlegreenfootballs.com/../C:/Documents/ba nk_password.doc
2) ???
3) PROFIT!
Prophet!![Link: www.goodreads.com...]
397 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:34:37am |
re: #394 iossarian
1) GET http://littlegreenfootballs.com/../C:/Documents/ba nk_password.doc
2) ???
3) PROFIT!
Reminds me of one of my favorite sites:
[Link: 5z8.info...]
(I guess you'll have to scroll over to see the entire link)
398 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:34:56am |
re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm already back. No "Closed Captioning". Gosh, that pisses me off. Everything on TV should be closed captioned. I don't understand when it is not.
SATTV? How does it work? Not magnets, but CC?
Live event or a movie/ pre recorded show?
399 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:35:23am |
re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm already back. No "Closed Captioning". Gosh, that pisses me off. Everything on TV should be closed captioned. I don't understand when it is not.
SATTV? How does it work? Not magnets, but CC?
Why do you need it CC'd?
400 | wheat-dogg Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:37:03am |
re: #349 000G
( ´ ▽ ` )ノ ヽ(o`皿′o)ノ ; (・∀・ ) ( ̄(エ) ̄) ( ̄へ ̄) ( ゚,_ゝ゚) (ι´Д`)ノ (・ェ-) ლ(́◉◞౪◟& #x25C9;‵ლ) щ(ಠ益ಠщ) (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ 。◕ ‿ ◕。 ಠ_ಠ ( °٢° ) ʘ‿ʘ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ (ΘεΘ;) (n˘v˘•)¬ (✪㉨✪) ヽ(๏∀๏ )ノ (╹ェ╹) ╮(─▽─)╭ щ(ಥДಥщ) ≖‿≖ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:࿶ 5;゚✧ (⊙ヮ⊙) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( ಠ◡ಠ ) (•⊙ω⊙•) ‘︿’ ( ´∀`)☆ (≧ω≦) (´ー`) (つд`) ( ̄。 ̄) (*~▽~) ( ^▽^)σ)~O~) (=゜ω゜) (´ω`) (ノ_・。) (-_- )ノ (´ヘ`;) (^^;) ( ´∀`) (((゜д゜;))) (=ω=;) (。・_・。) (o´ω`o) (^▽^) (*´д`*) ( ̄□ ̄) ∩(︶▽︶)∩ (✿◠‿◠) (◡‿◡✿) (◕‿◕✿) (✖╭╮✖) (≧◡≦) (¬_¬) (◑‿◐) (◕‿-) ✖‿✖ (-’_’-) (╥_╥) (╯_╰) (╯3╰) (o_-) (¬‿¬) (◣_◢) (∪ ◡ ∪) (≧ω≦) o(≧o≦)o (⋋▂⋌) (॓_॔) (╯ಊ╰) (─‿‿─) ‹(•¿•)› (╯︵╰,) (︶︹︺) (∩︵∩) (。◕‿◕。) (⊙_◎) (~ ̄▽ ̄)~ (︶ω︶) (+_+) (。♥‿♥。) (✿ ♥‿♥) ♥╣[-_-]╠♥ ٩(͡๏̯͡๏) ۶ ٩(-̮̮̃•̃ )۶ ٩(̾●̮̮̃& #x033E;•̃̾)۶ ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)o 6; (u_u) (*_*) (º_º) ٩(×̯×)۶ (ñ_ñ) (∩▂∩) (¬▂¬) (╯◕_◕)╯ (╹◡╹)凸 少 ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (▰˘◡˘▰) (☞゚∀゚)☞ ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Asian smilies Linkage.
401 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:40:06am |
Shower
Chiropractor
Grocery shopping
nap
Make dinner
Eat dinner
Nap
Go to work
Got a full day ahead of me kiddies
402 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:40:16am |
I love this lady!:
Board OKs $125,000 settlement for woman injured by officer in traffic stop
[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]
The Metropolitan Police Department will pay $125,000 to settle a federal lawsuit filed by a woman who suffered a torn rotator cuff and neck ligaments, and three injured ribs during a 2008 traffic stop.
....
Looking for a parking spot, she admits considering making U-turn in front of the courthouse, 309 S. 3rd St., because she saw an open parking spot.At the same time, she also saw motorcycle cop Goslar eyeing her. Instead, however, she found a parking spot and didn’t have to make the U-turn.
Even so, Goslar pulled up to her vehicle on his motorcycle.
“He told me, ‘You were going to make a U-turn back there,’” she recalled. “I said, ‘I was going to speed, too, but you can’t give me a ticket for it.’”
She said Goslar asked for her license and registration. She said she stepped out of her car with her documentation “he took my right arm and threw me up against the car.”
She said Goslar wrenched her right arm so high behind her back that she could see her fingers over her left shoulder. “I screamed ‘get the (expletive) off me. Where’s your probable cause?’”
He let her go then, she said, and told her she had failed to hand over her paperwork fast enough.
Goslar issued her a citation but a judge dismissed it.
403 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:40:59am |
re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'll shoot you a brief e-mail about how CC works on live events later
405 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:43:07am |
Militants attack Egyptian gas pipeline to Israel
Al-Qaida-inspired militants have been increasingly active in Sinai since Mubarak's ouster on Feb. 11, taking advantage of the security vacuum caused by the abrupt withdrawal of police forces. Authorities have blamed the militants for attacks on police patrols as well as the previous five on the gas pipeline.
A powerful Bedouin group in Sinai warned Tuesday that they will not cooperate with authorities against such attacks unless the government releases thousands of Bedouin youth from prisons.
"The sons of Sinai are not responsible for anything happens on Sinai land and will not take part in the protection measures unless the government releases thousands of our people," Salem Uneizan, spokesman for the "Coalition of Free Sinai Sons" said.
406 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:43:10am |
re: #402 RogueOne
motorcycle cop Goslar asked for her license and registration
In his new job, he gets to ask "wants fries with that, sir?"
407 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:43:37am |
re: #398 sattv4u2
Movie. From 1944. Not like they haven't had time.
408 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:44:47am |
re: #407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Movie. From 1944. Not like they haven't had time.
Are you sure your TV settings are CC on? (some TV's even have different CC settings for different types of CC)
409 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:46:10am |
re: #405 Killgore Trout
,,,taking advantage of the security vacuum ,,,
I'm still nervous about how their "spring" is going to shake out in the end
410 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:46:57am |
re: #403 sattv4u2
I understand live better than old movies.
412 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:48:05am |
re: #403 sattv4u2
I'm gonna wiki dive... don't worry about it.
413 | sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:58:29am |
414 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:00:43am |
I guess congrats are in order!
Charles Johnson emerges as Giants' top stakeholder
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
415 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:02:15am |
re: #414 RogueOne
I guess congrats are in order!
Charles Johnson emerges as Giants' top stakeholder
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
I think our Charles is a little taller.
416 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:05:47am |
re: #415 Cannadian Club Akbar
found on the sidebar of this story:
'Troubling' frequency of Oakland cops pulling guns
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
As part of the fallout from the "Riders" scandal, the monitor looked at a random sampling of police reports from the first three months of this year and found 80 incidents in which officers drew their weapons, two of which resulted in fatal shootings.
Although the analysis found that officers had acted appropriately in a majority of the cases, court monitor Robert Warshaw and his team said they were "troubled by the high number of instances" - 28 percent - in which police didn't have to draw their guns.
"Officers frequently presumed - often, with no basis - that whomever they were contacting was armed," their report said.
The report also found that in more than three-fourths of the cases in which officers didn't have to pull their guns, the suspects were African American. Latino suspects were involved in 17 percent of those cases and white suspects in just 3 percent.
417 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:10:29am |
re: #416 RogueOne
I wouldn't even drive through Oakland without an Armored Personnel Carrier covered in Raider flags. Just sayin'.
418 | lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:11:55am |
re: #414 RogueOne
That's not the Charles Johnson you're looking for.
419 | Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:12:15am |
re: #416 RogueOne
Off - topic, I guess you've been following this - but in case you haven't, I thought you'd find this interesting (seeing as how you've expressed the belief that "torture works,")
[Link: www.npr.org...]
421 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:13:52am |
re: #419 Talking Point Detective
Off - topic, I guess you've been following this - but in case you haven't, I thought you'd find this interesting (seeing as how you've expressed the belief that "torture works,")
[Link: www.npr.org...]
I never said it worked all the time or that it was the best method. My only beef is the argument that "it never works", that's bunk.
422 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:16:12am |
re: #420 lawhawk
The MTA has rejected Geller's "savages" ad campaign.
Someone needs to read more Dale Carnegie:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
423 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:18:29am |
re: #417 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wouldn't even drive through Oakland without an Armored Personnel Carrier covered in Raider flags. Just sayin'.
If you're going make sure you wear your seat belt, obey the speed limit, and don't be black and you should be fine.
424 | garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:22:28am |
re: #421 RogueOne
I never said it worked all the time or that it was the best method. My only beef is the argument that "it never works", that's bunk.
I think the "it never works" characterization is an exaggeration of the usual and better argument that it is unreliable.
425 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:23:38am |
Father of the Year nominee!!!!
APOLLO BEACH — A man walked into a bar Sunday, officials said. But it was no joke.
The man had brought his 9-month-old infant with him.
Deputies arrested Kristopher David Mills, 32, of Ruskin around 7 p.m. after he allegedly attacked three other patrons, attempted to escape arrest and then threatened to fight law enforcement officers after bringing his infant child with him to a local pub, deputies said.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
426 | Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:24:57am |
re: #421 RogueOne
I never said it worked all the time or that it was the best method. My only beef is the argument that "it never works", that's bunk.
Can you on relatively rare occasions extract useful information with torture? I suppose so. One problem is that generally information extracted through torture is less reliable than information obtained through more accepted interrogation techniques. Another problem is that you would, on average, get that information more quickly through those other techniques.
I seems to me that the most important analysis is what method works better. If you think that something that works less well than something else can be called "working," then your argument makes sense.
427 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:26:06am |
re: #424 garhighway
Even if I grant that it's unreliable the statement "it doesn't work" isn't factual.
428 | Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:29:08am |
re: #421 RogueOne
I never said it worked all the time or that it was the best method. My only beef is the argument that "it never works", that's bunk.
The other thing is that if you listen to the interview, you will find in that in the specific case referenced, useful information was flowing under other interrogation techniques, and that once torture (or enhanced interrogation if you insist) the information stopped flowing. So, it seems that in this instance, torture did not work even in a relatively less efficient manner.
429 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:30:45am |
re: #425 Cannadian Club Akbar
There's a reason why Florida looks like a dick hanging off of the country.
430 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:32:40am |
re: #428 Talking Point Detective
I've read his story before. If they were getting the information they wanted why would they change techniques? I don't know that the guy is telling a balanced retelling of the situation but I'm easily swayed with any argument that starts with "the CIA isn't very bright..."
431 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:36:30am |
re: #430 RogueOne
I've read his story before. If they were getting the information they wanted why would they change techniques? I don't know that the guy is telling a balanced retelling of the situation but I'm easily swayed with any argument that starts with "the CIA isn't very bright..."
Because bureaucracy is more interested many times in establishing power and control than in getting results?
432 | garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:37:37am |
re: #427 RogueOne
Even if I grant that it's unreliable the statement "it doesn't work" isn't factual.
If you have backpedalled from "it never works" to "it doesn't work" that's progress, I guess. But I would respectfully suggest that there is a difference between it working from time to time (no doubt people have, under torture, said true things) to it being reliable. If torture gets you truth sometimes and falsity sometimes, with no accurate predictor of which you are getting or which you are going to get, I would respectfully suggest that it is unreliable. At which point you have to ask yourself whether it is worth the candle? Is it worth it for us to violate our own laws, international law, and our own principles to use a technique that fails at its essential mission? Is the collateral damage it causes us worth whatever benefit it gains us? Unless your view is that we have so badly shit the bed in terms of our international reputation that any additional incremental damage thereto is just icing on the cake and inconsequential.
433 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:38:45am |
re: #430 RogueOne
Anybody who says that everybody does not have an agenda? Has an agenda for saying so.
The truth is only available to those who are involved with an event and are present.
I don't know if it works. I don't know if it doesn't work.
I know that personally? I am afraid of pain. I'll give up anybody in a heartbeat if I'm hurting or afraid I'll be killed.
I base my information on the fact that I am a huge fucking coward.
434 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:39:02am |
re: #431 oaktree
I can agree with that. There is a massive turf war in the various intelligence communities which gives me a reason to both believe his story is accurate and not believe it at the same time.
435 | Semper Fi Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:40:50am |
re: #406 sattv4u2
motorcycle cop Goslar asked for her license and registration
In his new job, he gets to ask "wants fries with that, sir?"
Hopefully...
436 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:41:07am |
Good ad from the DNC. Way to call 'em out.
437 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:43:21am |
Oh joy. One of the fake Gus stalker accounts on Twitter knows who I am and is adding my name to their inane shit.
Blocked and reported for spam already. What a tool.
438 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:43:37am |
re: #436 makeitstop
Helluvan ad.
I think John McCain would have called them out.
Of course, it helped get his ass kicked last time.
439 | garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:45:11am |
Attn GOP voters: make up your minds.
440 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:45:58am |
re: #437 Lidane
You should get that mole looked at.
/
441 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:47:07am |
re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Helluvan ad.
I think John McCain would have called them out.
Of course, it helped get his ass kicked last time.
Yep. The last man to call these crowds on their behavior was McCain. I don't agree with much when it comes to McCain, but that was a stand-up moment and he deserves credit for it.
This pack of wannabes is simply afraid of those who would nominate them. Not a good place from which to exhibit leadership.
442 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:48:38am |
re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There's a reason why Florida looks like a dick hanging off of the country.
your team kicks field goals.
443 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:05am |
Oh, boy. They got a live one at Obama's speech last night...
Heckler Screamed ‘Anti-Christ’ At Obama Before Being Whisked Away
A lot of people in this country have flat-out lost their damn minds.
444 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:23am |
re: #441 makeitstop
Yep. The last man to call these crowds on their behavior was McCain. I don't agree with much when it comes to McCain, but that was a stand-up moment and he deserves credit for it.
This pack of wannabes is simply afraid of those who would nominate them. Not a good place from which to exhibit leadership.
But the Koch brothers are the leaders. What is on the stage is a bunch of power-hungry puppets.
445 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:34am |
re: #442 Cannadian Club Akbar
Six to be exact.
446 | Renaissance_Man Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:34am |
re: #441 makeitstop
Yep. The last man to call these crowds on their behavior was McCain. I don't agree with much when it comes to McCain, but that was a stand-up moment and he deserves credit for it.
This pack of wannabes is simply afraid of those who would nominate them. Not a good place from which to exhibit leadership.
If my base were frothing hate cultists who were whipped into a frenzy by media forces trying to make them as angry and deranged as possible, I might be afraid of their nomination too.
447 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:51:23am |
re: #441 makeitstop
I think that John McCain ran the most honorable, "Boy am I going to get my ass handed to me" campaign ever.
Yeah, though he nominated a no-talent rock-star running mate; I admired his honor during the campaign.
448 | Talking Point Detective Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:52:02am |
re: #430 RogueOne
I've read his story before. If they were getting the information they wanted why would they change techniques? I don't know that the guy is telling a balanced retelling of the situation but I'm easily swayed with any argument that starts with "the CIA isn't very bright..."
I think that listening to the interview is worthwhile if you're interested in the topic. He's quite convincing.
As to your question - this isn't just a case of the CIA differing with the FBI on the recommended interrogation technique. This is the case of the CIA differing with significant majority (from what I've been able to tell) of expert interrogators, as well as established military rules and historical American legal precedent. It is also the case of the CIA relying on less experienced personnel to make decisions, as well as the CIA following directives from non-expert, and purely political entities in the Bush administration.
Sure - everyone has an agenda. But that's why it's important to look at all of the relevant information. Which is more likely - the CIA was following an political agenda imposed on them by the Bush administration, or the FBI was following a political agenda to reject, for political purposes, what the Bush administration wanted them to do?
449 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:52:41am |
re: #432 garhighway
If you have backpedalled from "it never works" to "it doesn't work" that's progress, I guess.
I don't think that is a backpedal. It's an acknowledgement that it works.
But I would respectfully suggest that there is a difference between it working from time to time (no doubt people have, under torture, said true things) to it being reliable. If torture gets you truth sometimes and falsity sometimes, with no accurate predictor of which you are getting or which you are going to get, I would respectfully suggest that it is unreliable. At which point you have to ask yourself whether it is worth the candle? Is it worth it for us to violate our own laws, international law, and our own principles to use a technique that fails at its essential mission? Is the collateral damage it causes us worth whatever benefit it gains us? Unless your view is that we have so badly shit the bed in terms of our international reputation that any additional incremental damage thereto is just icing on the cake and inconsequential.
There are a lot of factors to consider but I'll agree that is the basis of the argument. Even if you say that it doesn't work well you still have to admit that it works. That's when you have to ask if it's worth it in addition to trying to nail down what techniques are actual "torture" and which aren't.
So we don't have to rehash the entire argument again how about I boil my stance down to the decision of what techniques that we use should be left up to the voters which is what I believe happened in 2008. I'm content to leave the decision to the majority.
450 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:54:17am |
re: #443 makeitstop
A lot of people in this country have flat-out lost their damn minds.
See: Party, Tea. Also see: Base, Republican.
Some folks absolutely flipped their shit when the old white guy lost the election. It's been amazing to watch.
451 | Renaissance_Man Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:58:05am |
re: #450 Lidane
See: Party, Tea. Also see: Base, Republican.
Some folks absolutely flipped their shit when the old white guy lost the election. It's been amazing to watch.
The vast majority have been pushed that way. Thirty years of heavy propaganda and daily doses of hate are starting to come to a head. You can't pump hatred into people for a generation and not expect severe consequences for the nation.
452 | garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:58:10am |
re: #449 RogueOne
I don't think that is a backpedal. It's an acknowledgement that it works.
There are a lot of factors to consider but I'll agree that is the basis of the argument. Even if you say that it doesn't work well you still have to admit that it works. That's when you have to ask if it's worth it in addition to trying to nail down what techniques are actual "torture" and which aren't.
So we don't have to rehash the entire argument again how about I boil my stance down to the decision of what techniques that we use should be left up to the voters which is what I believe happened in 2008. I'm content to leave the decision to the majority.
If by "it works", you mean "it works sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't, and we really don't have any reliable way to tell when it is working and when it isn't", then yes, it works. Some people will tell you whatever you want to hear when you torture them. They will say whatever it takes to make the pain stop, and that means they read the interrogator, determine what they think he wants, and say it. Even if they have no earthly idea what the guy is really asking about, and they don;t give a shit, because they want to get your finger off of the power switch.
That guy will be every bit as convincing as the guy whom you have broken and is telling you the truth.
Good luck telling them apart.
454 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:00:50am |
re: #453 Lidane
ROFL. What an ass:
ASKED IF HE’S RACIST, SHERIFF JOE SAYS, ‘I’M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY PERSONAL LIFE’
That's not a question where you want to take the 5th.
455 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:01:38am |
re: #437 Lidane
Oh joy. One of the fake Gus stalker accounts on Twitter knows who I am and is adding my name to their inane shit.
Blocked and reported for spam already. What a tool.
...
But we're not stalkers!
Such pathetic, childish, little fools they are.
456 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:01:59am |
re: #454 RogueOne
That's not a question where you want to take the 5th.
Especially if you're a public law enforcement official.
It's an obvious yes/no question. Either you are, or you're not.
457 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:02:12am |
re: #454 RogueOne
That's not a question where you want to take the 5th.
He should have pulled the "I have Latino friends" card.
///
458 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:02:23am |
re: #453 Lidane
ROFL. What an ass:
ASKED IF HE’S RACIST, SHERIFF JOE SAYS, ‘I’M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY PERSONAL LIFE’
If it was just his personal life, he wouldn't have been sued for racial profiling.
459 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:02:59am |
Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.
460 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:03:02am |
re: #457 Cannadian Club Akbar
He should have pulled the "I have Latino friends" card.
///
He has plenty of Latino's working for him....punching out license plates in the sun.
462 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:03:57am |
re: #451 Renaissance_Man
The vast majority have been pushed that way. Thirty years of heavy propaganda and daily doses of hate are starting to come to a head. You can't pump hatred into people for a generation and not expect severe consequences for the nation.
I had a short yet extremely sharp exchange with my fundie sister yesterday. She accused me, by way of my support for Obama, of 'taking America away from her.'
I asked her a simple question, to which I do not expect an answer, but I had to ask it anyway. The question was
Who has made me your enemy?
The fact that she considers me part of the masses who want to 'take away her freedom' saddens me. But I've come to the realization that she's been completely brainwashed and this will not change.
463 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:04:41am |
Hey, Gus. Glad you're back.
464 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:04:51am |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.
I know a guy with a pellet rifle with a scope on it. Not sure why he has a scope.
465 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:05:16am |
re: #451 Renaissance_Man
The vast majority have been pushed that way. Thirty years of heavy propaganda and daily doses of hate are starting to come to a head. You can't pump hatred into people for a generation and not expect severe consequences for the nation.
In the middle of the Watergate mess, Nixon's AG made a frighteningly accurate prediction:
"This country is going so far right you are not even going to recognize it."
--John Mitchell, 1970
466 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:05:51am |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.
I hope you're planning on eating those and not out there killing for fun.
467 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:06:31am |
re: #461 Lidane
I especially loved this illiterate post:
You can tell who that is by the capitalization. Guess who follows that idiot? Yep, Andrew Breitbart. That's how much we live in all of their little brains.
Wingnuttery is a mental illness.
468 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:06:40am |
re: #466 RogueOne
I hope you're planning on eating those and not out there killing for fun.
He should chuck 'em into the hippie's yard.
469 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:07:40am |
re: #463 Sergey Romanov
Hey, Gus. Glad you're back.
Thanks. Thought I'd get back into my normal routine. ;)
470 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:08:14am |
471 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:08:34am |
re: #469 Gus 802
Thanks. Thought I'd get back into my normal routine. ;)
Hope you saw you got featured at the FP.
472 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:08:44am |
re: #468 Cannadian Club Akbar
He should chuck 'em into the hippie's yard.
I thought he was referring to the hippies!
(j/k)
And he can't eat them since they're too gamey already!
///
473 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:08:53am |
re: #464 Cannadian Club Akbar
I know a guy with a pellet rifle with a scope on it. Not sure why he has a scope.
Mine has a scope too.[Link: www.remington.com...]
Pellet guns have changed a lot since I was a kid. It's pretty dam powerful. I suspect the effective range would be about 100 feet. Could easily kill a rabbit or raccoon.
474 | Renaissance_Man Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:09:23am |
re: #462 makeitstop
The fact that she considers me part of the masses who want to 'take away her freedom' saddens me. But I've come to the realization that she's been completely brainwashed and this will not change.
Not without deprogramming. Which would be fine, if her cult was a traditional one that required her to live in a compound. This modern cult envelops people in their own homes, in their cars, at work, everywhere they go.
And worse yet, it turns families against themselves. Friends against friends. The only thing that matters to its victims is how much they hate their fellow Americans, their friends, and their families.
475 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:09:42am |
re: #471 Sergey Romanov
Hope you saw you got featured at the FP.
Yeah, I did. You mean here at LGF right?
476 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:09:59am |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.
You do know that it only sings when no one else is listening but you, don't you?
477 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:10:09am |
478 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:10:20am |
re: #466 RogueOne
I hope you're planning on eating those and not out there killing for fun.
I would eat a rat in the event of a zombie apocalypse but not for fun. The squirrels on the other hand look pretty tasty.
479 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:10:25am |
re: #451 Renaissance_Man
It's very interesting. I had dinner with some Republican friends the other evening. A few years ago they would joke about the fact that they are Republicans in a pretty liberal area. We would have mostly good-natured arguments about economics (they're socially fairly liberal and in any case we didn't really get into that, live and let live etc.). Basically we used to get on well in an "agree to disagree" kind of way, and mostly we still do.
I really noticed, the other night, however, that they seemed to be circling the wagons. They made a couple of pretty mean-spirited comments about prominent liberals and various recent news items. I got the impression they were trying to justify their political position: "see, liberals are arrogant/self-centered/unpleasant people, that's why it's OK to be a Republican". I mean, I think Ann Coulter is a pretty unpleasant person, but I wouldn't slag her off in the context of having dinner with these folks, because what's the point of being needlessly divisive?
I'm beginning to think that a lot of Republicans have backed themselves into a philosophical corner. So much of their platform is now logically inconsistent, the only way they can keep any kind of coherence is to basically blame everything on evil liberals (either that, or abandon the whole edifice, which I can absolutely appreciate requires immense intellectual courage).
480 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:10:49am |
re: #470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Who picks them up?
*shiver*
ewww
You pick them up with a stick with a nail on the end. Duh.
/
481 | The Left Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:11:00am |
re: #477 Sergey Romanov
Yeah. Pretty cool.
It was a great page! I was glad to see it make the front page.
482 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:11:02am |
re: #468 Cannadian Club Akbar
He should chuck 'em into the hippie's yard.
They would freak out. I just dump them in the garbage.
483 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:11:32am |
re: #477 Sergey Romanov
Yeah. Pretty cool.
Over 25,000 views no less. Tweets were a little week but that's fine.
484 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:11:47am |
re: #466 RogueOne
I fully support and endorse the killing of rats and mosquitoes.
If I don't like 'em? Fuck 'em.
485 | allegro Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:12:08am |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
Good news from the frogs this morning. One young adult singing this morning. Only one but it's a good sign that there will be other survivors. I killed my first two rats this morning with the air gun. I'm glad I got the high power model. Nice clean one shot kills.
Rats reproduce pretty quickly so shooting them may be gratifying but won't do a lot to control the population. It sounds like you re having problems with Norway rats that will have nests in burrows in the immediate area. Gassing the nests is a lot more effective and can be done successfully with car exhaust. Just don't do it if the burrow is under a house.
486 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:12:56am |
re: #474 Renaissance_Man
Not without deprogramming. Which would be fine, if her cult was a traditional one that required her to live in a compound. This modern cult envelops people in their own homes, in their cars, at work, everywhere they go.
Sad but true. I've tried for years to talk to her, to figure out why she vociferously and consistently argues against her own best interest. She can't, or won't, answer. I've given up.
But the question I asked her is the one I will ask any of my family or friends who attack me for not sharing their politics. I think it's a damned good one.
Who has made me your enemy?
487 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:13:06am |
re: #481 iceweasel
It was a great page! I was glad to see it make the front page.
Hi Ice. Yeah, I did a couple of comments on that topic during the day and later decided why not make it into a page. So it all fell together. The hook of it all is the Reagan connection. I couldn't stop laughing to myself when I saw that.
488 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:13:09am |
re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I fully support and endorse the killing of rats and mosquitoes.
If I don't like 'em? Fuck 'em.
You must hate pie because Lord knows you like killing them!!!
489 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:13:12am |
490 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:13:21am |
re: #465 Decatur Deb
In the middle of the Watergate mess, Nixon's AG made a frighteningly accurate prediction:
"This country is going so far right you are not even going to recognize it."
--John Mitchell, 1970
I can't hink of Mitchell without thinking of Haldeman, Erlichman, ... and Dean (set to music...) so you reminded me of this article I didn't get around to Paging.
John W. Dean
Barack Obama Is A "Fox," Not a "Hedgehog," and Thus More Likely To Get It Right
491 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:14:25am |
re: #479 iossarian
I'm beginning to think that a lot of Republicans have backed themselves into a philosophical corner. So much of their platform is now logically inconsistent, the only way they can keep any kind of coherence is to basically blame everything on evil liberals (either that, or abandon the whole edifice, which I can absolutely appreciate requires immense intellectual courage).
And that approach paints them farther and farther into the corner since it is essentially making a greater and greater emotional investment in that "your" group is right by demonizing the "other" group. Which makes a person admitting they are wrong more difficult. And the emotional debt makes the intellectual decision all the harder.
492 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:14:34am |
re: #485 allegro
Rats reproduce pretty quickly so shooting them may be gratifying but won't do a lot to control the population. It sounds like you re having problems with Norway rats that will have nests in burrows in the immediate area. Gassing the nests is a lot more effective and can be done successfully with car exhaust. Just don't do it if the burrow is under a house.
I've had poison out for a few weeks to reduce the population. The colony was huge and there were so many tunnels that they were starting to cave in and make sink holes. I would guess there were at least 100 rats living in a 25 sq ft area.
493 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:14:56am |
re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I fully support and endorse the killing of rats and mosquitoes.
If I don't like 'em? Fuck 'em.
How do you feel about feral cats? The rule is you have to eat what you hunt or you're going to hell. State law.
494 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:10am |
re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I fully support and endorse the killing of rats and mosquitoes.
If I don't like 'em? Fuck 'em.
I HATE Bambi.
/
495 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:24am |
re: #485 allegro
Norway rats also eat that "rakfisk" shite. That's gonna stink soon. Christmas is just around the corner.
496 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:26am |
re: #493 RogueOne
How do you feel about feral cats? The rule is you have to eat what you hunt or you're going to hell. State law.
Generally speaking, cats have no trouble eating what they hunt.
497 | Renaissance_Man Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:46am |
re: #491 oaktree
And that approach paints them farther and farther into the corner since it is essentially making a greater and greater emotional investment in that "your" group is right by demonizing the "other" group. Which makes a person admitting they are wrong more difficult. And the emotional debt makes the intellectual decision all the harder.
Precisely. You see it here on LGF all the time. It's human nature.
It's just tragic, and I don't see an endpoint.
498 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:51am |
re: #479 iossarian
Just one thing I wanted to add to this, not because I want to trumpet my anecdotal data, but because I think it perfectly illustrates one of the inconsistencies of the Republican position.
One of the news items that these friends brought up was the Solyndra story, and the whole "campaign donors/sleaze" aspect of it.
I wanted to ask: "that's very interesting, and which political party has made it possible for corporations to essentially buy politicians without any possibility of scrutiny or transparency?"
But I didn't. They do cook a fine dinner after all.
499 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:16:53am |
re: #479 iossarian
I'm beginning to think that a lot of Republicans have backed themselves into a philosophical corner. So much of their platform is now logically inconsistent, the only way they can keep any kind of coherence is to basically blame everything on evil liberals (either that, or abandon the whole edifice, which I can absolutely appreciate requires immense intellectual courage).
That's been true since the Clinton years. It just took a while for everyone else to catch on, because the only folks who were openly pointing that out were liberals, which gave the GOP cover.
It took the election of a black man to the White House for everyone else to start noticing the cognitive dissonance that's been driving the Republican party for a good while now.
500 | allegro Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:17:09am |
re: #492 Killgore Trout
I've had poison out for a few weeks to reduce the population. The colony was huge and there were so many tunnels that they were starting to cave in and make sink holes. I would guess there were at least 100 rats living in a 25 sq ft area.
The poison you were using, probably warfarin, is really effective IF it is used along with environmental controls, i.e. removing as many other food sources as possible. Are your neighbors helping out at all?
501 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:17:54am |
re: #493 RogueOne
How do you feel about feral cats? The rule is you have to eat what you hunt or you're going to hell. State law.
Feral cats around here feed the coyotes. Feral dogs eat the tourists, or try to. A few years ago the sheriff's department went hunting and killed 12 dogs. Didn't eat 'em, though.
502 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:18:05am |
re: #496 EmmmieG
Generally speaking, cats have no trouble eating what they hunt.
And they will torture a rat before killing it. Now, what's wrong with that?
/
503 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:18:05am |
re: #500 allegro
Are your neighbors helping out at all?
That's the problem right there.
Tragedy of the commons, really, being played out at Killgore's expense.
504 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:19:51am |
re: #502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And they will torture a rat before killing it. Now, what's wrong with that?
/
We should ask the rats which they prefer a little water boarding or poison and gas. Some of you are brutal////
505 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:20:21am |
re: #492 Killgore Trout
I've had poison out for a few weeks to reduce the population. The colony was huge and there were so many tunnels that they were starting to cave in and make sink holes. I would guess there were at least 100 rats living in a 25 sq ft area.
Yikes. Sounds like you needed to borrow a few trained terriers.
Just make sure they didn't have a small machine shop squirreled away down there or a leader named Darktan.
506 | allegro Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:20:50am |
re: #503 Obdicut
That's the problem right there.
Tragedy of the commons, really, being played out at Killgore's expense.
If their compost or other actions/conditions are creating the problem, the city/county health department needs to be notified to put some pressure on them. I know it doesn't seem "neighborly" but rats in those numbers are seriously dangerous and someone has to knock some sense into those folks.
507 | Renaissance_Man Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:22:12am |
re: #499 Lidane
That's been true since the Clinton years. It just took a while for everyone else to catch on, because the only folks who were openly pointing that out were liberals, which gave the GOP cover.
It took the election of a black man to the White House for everyone else to start noticing the cognitive dissonance that's been driving the Republican party for a good while now.
I'm not sure everyone else has noticed. I made a post a while back about how it really is okay, in American society, to hate liberals. That sort of stuff is, well, kind of patriotic. At best, people get frustrated by 'both sides fighting'.
The worst part of cult propaganda is not that it makes cultists angrier. That's tragic, but a limited, local phenomenon. The worst part is that it infects public perception, and gradually shifts public perception to ignore all but its most blatant excesses. It really is okay to hate liberals, to push hate. I talk to a lot of people, and I hear some variant of 'yeah, FOX is pretty bad, but all the other networks are just as bad, so it all works out' all the time. Or 'sure, I don't believe he's a Muslim/Kenyan traitor/whatever, but he's pretty socialist blah blah blah wealth redistribution blah blah higher taxes'. That's the worst part - changing reality.
508 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:22:26am |
re: #490 wrenchwench
Excellent article. I sometimes think Dean has had a sad life.
509 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:24:18am |
Arg. The local Tea Partiers have started a "Tea Party Attack Watch". Makes me want to attack them.
510 | The Left Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:24:32am |
re: #507 Renaissance_Man
I'm not sure everyone else has noticed. I made a post a while back about how it really is okay, in American society, to hate liberals. That sort of stuff is, well, kind of patriotic. At best, people get frustrated by 'both sides fighting'.
The worst part of cult propaganda is not that it makes cultists angrier. That's tragic, but a limited, local phenomenon. The worst part is that it infects public perception, and gradually shifts public perception to ignore all but its most blatant excesses. It really is okay to hate liberals, to push hate. I talk to a lot of people, and I hear some variant of 'yeah, FOX is pretty bad, but all the other networks are just as bad, so it all works out' all the time. Or 'sure, I don't believe he's a Muslim/Kenyan traitor/whatever, but he's pretty socialist blah blah blah wealth redistribution blah blah higher taxes'. That's the worst part - changing reality.
The Overton Window on right wing eliminationist rhetoric has been dragged all the way to the right over the last two decades. Dave Newiert has been great on documenting this. Radio screamers like Rush did their part too well.
511 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:24:53am |
re: #507 Renaissance_Man
We seem to be in the part of the US electoral cycle where the Politics of Rage are effective. It's not a new phenomena, but one that periodically comes back around and into prominence under different guises.
512 | lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:25:16am |
Egyptian leaders continue trying to clamp down on terrorists in Sinai, particularly after they attacked the oil pipeline to Israel for the 6th time since Mubarak was booted.
Egyptian security attacked smuggling tunnels with Gaza killing 3. They flooded one particular tunnel with sewage but it's been a losing effort to stop the smuggling into Gaza.
513 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:25:20am |
I love my wife to death but does everyone else's wife complain about her co-workers as much as mine? I may as well go to work with her and cut out the middle man because she's going to go on for hours going over each and every conversation she had during the day. Thanks to cellphones I don't even have to wait until she gets home in the evening, she calls me during the day to keep caught up on what's going on in her office.
514 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:27:11am |
re: #513 RogueOne
I love my wife to death but does everyone else's wife complain about her co-workers as much as mine? I may as well go to work with her and cut out the middle man because she's going to go on for hours going over each and every conversation she had during the day. Thanks to cellphones I don't even have to wait until she gets home in the evening, she calls me during the day to keep caught up on what's going on in her office.
She needs somewhere to vent where it cannot possibly get back to her boss and get her in trouble. Just remember, she isn't asking you to fix anything.
I vent about my "co-workers" all the time. The frustrating part is that my co-workers will grow up and become mature and delightful to be around--a few years after they leave us.
Ah well, I'm only in it for the grandkids.
515 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:06am |
re: #513 RogueOne
Buy her a pellet gun like KT's.
516 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:16am |
re: #492 Killgore Trout
I've had poison out for a few weeks to reduce the population. The colony was huge and there were so many tunnels that they were starting to cave in and make sink holes. I would guess there were at least 100 rats living in a 25 sq ft area.
You're getting into public health territory there. (You mentioned the hippies were composting disposable diapers--that's not hippie. Hippies use cotton reusables, moss, or the inner bark of birches.)
Time to drop a dime.
517 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:18am |
re: #507 Renaissance_Man
I'm not sure everyone else has noticed. I made a post a while back about how it really is okay, in American society, to hate liberals. That sort of stuff is, well, kind of patriotic. At best, people get frustrated by 'both sides fighting'.
The worst part of cult propaganda is not that it makes cultists angrier. That's tragic, but a limited, local phenomenon. The worst part is that it infects public perception, and gradually shifts public perception to ignore all but its most blatant excesses. It really is okay to hate liberals, to push hate. I talk to a lot of people, and I hear some variant of 'yeah, FOX is pretty bad, but all the other networks are just as bad, so it all works out' all the time. Or 'sure, I don't believe he's a Muslim/Kenyan traitor/whatever, but he's pretty socialist blah blah blah wealth redistribution blah blah higher taxes'. That's the worst part - changing reality.
In all my life I've never seen one anti-conservative bumper sticker. However, I've seen countless anti-liberal bumper stickers of every stripe. This is not a general observation but one based on the specific usage of the word "liberal" versus "conservative."
518 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:31am |
re: #500 allegro
The poison you were using, probably warfarin, is really effective IF it is used along with environmental controls, i.e. removing as many other food sources as possible. Are your neighbors helping out at all?
Yeah, I had a talk with them but they're serious hippies and thought rats are part of the natural environment. They were trying to compost baby diapers in an open compost pile. They've cleaned up but they're kinda stupid so they might not be much help in the long run.
519 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:28:46am |
re: #510 iceweasel
The Overton Window on right wing eliminationist rhetoric has been dragged all the way to the right over the last two decades. Dave Newiert has been great on documenting this. Radio screamers like Rush did their part too well.
Ding for Neiwert.
520 | The Left Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:30:32am |
re: #519 Sergey Romanov
Ding for Neiwert.
he's great, isn't he? Even though I misspell his name all the time. ;)
I haven't been reading him regularly at Crooks and Liars-- must get back into that.
Back in a bit. Hope you all have a great day!
521 | Syrius Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:30:56am |
I think we should allow these TEA Party types to go back in time with no water treatment plants, no electricity, no plumbing...most of them would die off pretty quickly.
522 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:31:43am |
re: #520 iceweasel
he's great, isn't he? Even though I misspell his name all the time. ;)
I haven't been reading him regularly at Crooks and Liars-- must get back into that.
Back in a bit. Hope you all have a great day!
Heh, absolutely same here. Used to pore over Orcinus. Don't really visit C&L. (But now LGF is actually a good substitute.)
523 | RogueOne Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:31:57am |
Time to run errands and buy that bb gun. Enjoy the rest of the day folks!
524 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:32:00am |
re: #517 Gus 802
In all my life I've never seen one anti-conservative bumper sticker. However, I've seen countless anti-liberal bumper stickers of every stripe. This is not a general observation but one based on the specific usage of the word "liberal" versus "conservative."
I was thinking this exact same thing two days ago when I saw yet another "annoy a liberal" bumper sticker (as I cycled to my white-collar job at a higher education institution, natch!).
I thought about printing a t-shirt with some kind of witty riposte against conservatives, but to be honest, that would be super, super lame.
525 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:32:24am |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I had a talk with them but they're serious hippies and thought rats are part of the natural environment. They were trying to compost baby diapers in an open compost pile. They've cleaned up but they're kinda stupid so they might not be much help in the long run.
I wonder if their attitude will change if/when the baby (or them) gets bit by a rat. Fleas and lice are part of the natural environment as well...
:p
Gah. And I joke about reintroducing mountain lions and wolves to the inner city to consume ignorant and unobservant pedestrians.
526 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:03am |
re: #513 RogueOne
You must be one of those dumb-ass husbands who "listen" and "just let them vent" and "project empathy"?
You need to start interrupting her frequently, and with little thought; offering solutions to her problems. Wives love that.
527 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:17am |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I had a talk with them but they're serious hippies and thought rats are part of the natural environment. They were trying to compost baby diapers in an open compost pile. They've cleaned up but they're kinda stupid so they might not be much help in the long run.
Seriously? Wow. Get them a pamphlet on what does and doesn't go into compost pile. You don't compost just anything.
528 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:26am |
re: #524 iossarian
I was thinking this exact same thing two days ago when I saw yet another "annoy a liberal" bumper sticker (as I cycled to my white-collar job at a higher education institution, natch!).
I thought about printing a t-shirt with some kind of witty riposte against conservatives, but to be honest, that would be super, super lame.
I never understood it. That's like driving around and telling everyone around you "hey look, I'm an asshole." It's like they're looking for trouble or something. Really low life trash mentality at play here.
529 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:53am |
Stupid voters enable broken government
So politically incorrect and so very true.
530 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:34:55am |
re: #524 iossarian
I was thinking this exact same thing two days ago when I saw yet another "annoy a liberal" bumper sticker (as I cycled to my white-collar job at a higher education institution, natch!).
I thought about printing a t-shirt with some kind of witty riposte against conservatives, but to be honest, that would be super, super lame.
Just get the kick-ass photo of Obama in the cowboy hat on the T-shirt and caption it "The Sheriff Is Near".
531 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:35:45am |
re: #517 Gus 802
We know liberals can't read.
/
532 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:37:22am |
re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
We know liberals can't read.
/
That's because they're busy texting on their iPhones while driving down the road.
//
533 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:38:06am |
re: #528 Gus 802
I never understood it. That's like driving around and telling everyone around you "hey look, I'm an asshole." It's like they're looking for trouble or something. Really low life trash mentality at play here.
It's a bizarre mindset.
"Get with the program, liberals! If you were just a conservative like me, you too could be driving a midsize Lexus and be married to a still-fairly-hot wife! And not have to think about the immense global inequity that makes these petty status tokens possible!"
534 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:38:20am |
re: #521 Syrius
I think we should allow these TEA Party types to go back in time with no water treatment plants, no electricity, no plumbing...most of them would die off pretty quickly.
...
Let's bring back muskets and ball cannons to fight the Chinese!!
535 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:38:25am |
re: #529 Varek Raith
Stupid voters enable broken government
So politically incorrect and so very true.
Great article. Great examples, too. Clear and flat-out.
536 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:38:28am |
re: #532 Gus 802
That's because they're busy texting on their iPhones in our Co-existing Priuses while driving down the road.
//
537 | lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:39:27am |
The Bakken field is one of the largest oil shale deposits in the world, and the key resource being exploited is oil. Energy producers aren't interested in the natural gas that is being found at the same time.
In fact, much of it is being flared off - wasted. 100 million cubic feet are being burned off daily. That's enough to heat 500,000 homes per day.
The companies driving the oil-shale exploration and drilling claim that they can't effectively and cost-effectively deal with the collection and transmission of the gas to market because natural gas prices have dropped.
It is a tremendous waste of a limited natural resource to simply burn it off because it can't be collected and stored. Collection and storage seems to be more cost effective in the long run than burning it off and contributing to increased air pollution downwind.
The government should look at ways to increase the costs for flaring off the natural gas (because of the environmental pollution costs downwind and squandering a limited natural resource) and improving/streamlining pipeline development so that this limited resource isn't squandered.
538 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:39:44am |
539 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:40:09am |
re: #529 Varek Raith
Stupid voters enable broken government
So politically incorrect and so very true.
Quality. I love me some LZG.
Do I believe our politicians need to be perfect? No.
But damn, you would think people would draw the line at crack.
542 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:41:21am |
Saw a big ol' Gulfstream heading northwest low and slow. Might be a Secret Service advance team.
543 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:41:35am |
re: #537 lawhawk
It's a criminal waste. That gas is a limited resource. Simply burning it harms the entire world and profits no one.
It's insane that we're in the 21st century and we're still acting like our resources are endless.
544 | Semper Fi Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:41:50am |
re: #513 RogueOne
I love my wife to death but does everyone else's wife complain about her co-workers as much as mine? I may as well go to work with her and cut out the middle man because she's going to go on for hours going over each and every conversation she had during the day. Thanks to cellphones I don't even have to wait until she gets home in the evening, she calls me during the day to keep caught up on what's going on in her office.
My girlfriend does the same --- tells me everything. I sense her need to vent but at the same time it's not always venting --- just wanting another opinion. I listen but sometimes my thoughts do wander and she'll catch me, "Are you listening?"
I hate myself when that happens.
545 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:42:34am |
Oh brother...
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Muslim American denied spot in Florida county Republican Party [Link: t.co...]
546 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:43:31am |
re: #544 Semper Fi
My girlfriend does the same --- tells me everything. I sense her need to vent but at the same time it's not always venting --- just wanting another opinion. I listen but sometimes my thoughts do wander and she'll catch me, "Are you listening?"
I hate myself when that happens.
You hate not listening or hate being caught not listening?
/
547 | Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:43:53am |
re: #476 oaktree
You do know that it only sings when no one else is listening but you, don't you?
548 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:43:54am |
re: #544 Semper Fi
My girlfriend does the same --- tells me everything. I sense her need to vent but at the same time it's not always venting --- just wanting another opinion. I listen but sometimes my thoughts do wander and she'll catch me, "Are you listening?"
I hate myself when that happens.
We sometimes caught our teenaged son napping through the middle of his girlfriend's phone calls. She never seemed to notice.
549 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:44:17am |
re: #538 Sergey Romanov
And reading is fundamental!
(Ahem. (c)NJDHockeyfan, for those who missed the fun yesterday ;).
550 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:44:29am |
re: #545 Gus 802
Oh brother...
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Muslim American denied spot in Florida county Republican Party [Link: t.co...]
Religious liberty! Individual rights!
551 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:44:34am |
re: #537 lawhawk
The government should look at ways to increase the costs for flaring off the natural gas
SNIP
When will you learn that government isn't the solution, government is the problem?
You mess with the free market at your peril.
552 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:45:10am |
re: #548 Decatur Deb
My crazy ex-wife would call me up talk for two minutes and then fall asleep. W hen I hung up she'd call me back angry that I'd hung up even though she'd been snoring and I really needed to study.
Did I mention she was crazy?
553 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:45:23am |
554 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:45:57am |
555 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:47:29am |
The fun part of working in a game studio -- I just did voiceover stuff for a prototype demo that the devs are working on. Hee!
556 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:47:54am |
re: #555 Lidane
The fun part of working in a game studio -- I just did voiceover stuff for a prototype demo that the devs are working on. Hee!
I hate you.
/
:P
557 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:48:51am |
re: #555 Lidane
The fun part of working in a game studio -- I just did voiceover stuff for a prototype demo that the devs are working on. Hee!
How are you gentlemen
558 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:49:38am |
re: #555 Lidane
There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.
559 | lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:49:50am |
re: #551 iossarian
Pollution that affects the air quality is a cost that everyone bears, even though it isn't fully factored into energy prices or the cost of doing business downstream. Energy companies say that it's too costly to capture the flared gases - yet you've got municipal sewage systems like in NYC that are recapturing methane and other gases from sewage systems and landfills to sell or utilize for mitigating energy consumption for those facilities instead of flaring them off with no energy recapture.
They have a highly valued commodity that they're squandering because they can't get it to market. Make it easier to get it to market - but penalize those who don't with higher penalties.
561 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:50:02am |
re: #558 Obdicut
There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.
I hate you, too.
/
562 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:50:38am |
re: #558 Obdicut
There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.
The original talk-like-a-pirate guy!
563 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:51:00am |
re: #559 lawhawk
Of course, I agree with you. I was merely pointing out that we both disagree with 100% of Republican candidates for president of the USA.
564 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:52:00am |
re: #554 Obdicut
Link doesn't work for me, but this does:
[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]
Interesting. It seems he's affiliated with CAIR so that could be a problem although it looks like the wingnuts handled this very poorly.
565 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:52:31am |
re: #563 iossarian
Of course, I agree with you. I was merely pointing out that we both disagree with 100% of Republican candidates for president of the USA.
You mean, you disagree with what they are saying.
Personally, I wonder what they really think. The Tea Partiers are so rabid (I know one, trust me, rabid), that they must be danced around.
566 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:52:45am |
re: #554 Obdicut
Link doesn't work for me, but this does:
[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]
Pathetic. And there's that "unindicted co-conspirator" bullshit again. How un-American is that? If they were never convicted or found guilty than "unindicted co-conspirator" merely remains hearsay, IMO. Anyone, or any group, for that matter could be considered an unindicted co-conspirator. But that's just part of the mess these idiots created:
"Terrorist!" said one man.
"Let him speak!" said another.
Members of Broward's Republican Party said Hamze was making a mockery of their rules and was trying to become a member as a publicity stunt.
"I don't have a positive impression of Mr. Hamze. I don't think he will be an asset to our party," said Scott Spages, who is involved in programs concerning radical Islam at his church, Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale.
In the end, the Broward Republican Executive Committee voted 11-158 to block him from committee membership. He can still attend meetings, but as a general member of the public.
"Wow," he said afterward. "If I had realized it would be like that, I wish they had just sent me a letter saying I was denied."
One Broward Republican member, blogger Javier Manjarres, objected to the process. "They singled him out," Manjarres said. "It was a set up."
Read more: [Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]
Fecking amazing. Sounded like a Klan meeting.
567 | Semper Fi Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:53:03am |
re: #546 Cannadian Club Akbar
You hate not listening or hate being caught not listening?
/
Not listening for sure. She deserves my full attention.
568 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:54:07am |
re: #565 EmmmieG
You mean, you disagree with what they are saying.
Personally, I wonder what they really think. The Tea Partiers are so rabid (I know one, trust me, rabid), that they must be danced around.
What they think is irrelevant. How they vote and (to a slightly lesser extent) what they say is all we have to go on.
Do you think Romney wouldn't nominate theocratic loons to the Supreme Court? Or sign gay marriage bans into law?
I don't.
569 | Semper Fi Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:54:25am |
re: #548 Decatur Deb
We sometimes caught our teenaged son napping through the middle of his girlfriend's phone calls. She never seemed to notice.
Wow! Now that's funny.
570 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:54:59am |
re: #564 Killgore Trout
Interesting. It seems he's affiliated with CAIR so that could be a problem although it looks like the wingnuts handled this very poorly.
It only depends on which grounds he was denied. Whether he is a good guy or not doesn't matter - AFAIC since he is an aspiring Republican pol, he's not such a good guy in the first place.
Since they did have legitimate grounds (CAIR) it's a non-starter story.
571 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:55:30am |
Direct from the Fever Swamp, today's outrageous outrage (one of them anyway):
Obama cracks jokes about devastating Texas wildfires
Obama cracks jokes about devastating Texas wildfires
You know, beneath the cool exterior of the basketball-playing hipster president, behind the facade of the partisan class warrior, there lurks a core truth — Barack Obama is a jackass:
While at a highdollar fundraiser San Jose, California, President Obama ridiculed Rick Perry.
“You’ve got a governor whose state is on fire denying climate change.” Obama said to laughter and applause, and added, “No, no, it’s true!”
It IS true, freeper derps. The weasel word stupid is strong with this bunch. Would a fair-minded person really conclude from this that Obama is ridiculing fire victims rather than our state's clueless and corrupt grifter-in-chief?
572 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:57:06am |
re: #564 Killgore Trout
Interesting. It seems he's affiliated with CAIR so that could be a problem although it looks like the wingnuts handled this very poorly.
Yeah, he might be a canny CAIR guy interested mainly in showing their racism.
However, it might be that CAIR varies from state to state and that in Florida they're less wingnutty, kind of like the New York GOP being a lot saner than the Alabama GOP.
Looking over their stuff, they're still terrible on Israel, of course-- calling the Israeli response in Gaza a 'massacre'-- but the vast majority of stuff on their site is just about legitimate anti-Muslim crap going on in the US.
573 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:57:18am |
re: #566 Gus 802
Pathetic. And there's that "unindicted co-conspirator" bullshit again. How un-American is that? If they were never convicted or found guilty than "unindicted co-conspirator" merely remains hearsay, IMO. Anyone, or any group, for that matter could be considered an unindicted co-conspirator. But that's just part of the mess these idiots created:
Fecking amazing. Sounded like a Klan meeting.
Agreed. And I've seen it argued that the unindicted co-conspirator status was only a ploy to make them testify - them and ca. 300 other Islamic groups. Most of which had nothing to do with that act in any case.
Now, that doesn't mean CAIR are suddenly good guys. But unless we're talking about an unindicted co-conspirator with an immunity (such as a President), this status doesn't mean a thing - tits charges or GTFO.
574 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:57:27am |
575 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:59:02am |
re: #572 Obdicut
Yeah, he might be a canny CAIR guy interested mainly in showing their racism.
However, it might be that CAIR varies from state to state and that in Florida they're less wingnutty, kind of like the New York GOP being a lot saner than the Alabama GOP.
Looking over their stuff, they're still terrible on Israel, of course-- calling the Israeli response in Gaza a 'massacre'-- but the vast majority of stuff on their site is just about legitimate anti-Muslim crap going on in the US.
Any time the rules have to be changed to deal with an individual, there's either something wrong with the rules, or something wrong with the reason for changing them.
576 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:59:48am |
re: #574 Varek Raith
Paranoid NRA Chief: Obama Leaving Gun Owners Alone Is ‘Conspiracy’ To Take Away Guns
The Prez is vewwy, vewwy, sneaky.
577 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:59:52am |
re: #570 Sergey Romanov
Hell, there's room in the GOP for white anti-Israel people, so why shouldn't there be room for Arab ones?
578 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:01:07am |
re: #577 Obdicut
Hell, there's room in the GOP for white anti-Israel people, so why shouldn't there be room for Arab ones?
[Video]
CAIR... Ron Paul... Pat Buchanan?
579 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:01:25am |
re: #524 iossarian
I was thinking this exact same thing two days ago when I saw yet another "annoy a liberal" bumper sticker (as I cycled to my white-collar job at a higher education institution, natch!).
I thought about printing a t-shirt with some kind of witty riposte against conservatives, but to be honest, that would be super, super lame.
I actually saw a car with an oldie of a bumper sticker - a peace sign with the words 'Footprint of the American Chicken.' I hadn't seen one of those since the early Seventies.
And the guy who was driving the car looked to be about 80 and like a stiff breeze would blow him over. An elderly, shriveled asshole, but an asshole nonetheless.
580 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:01:59am |
re: #574 Varek Raith
Paranoid NRA Chief: Obama Leaving Gun Owners Alone Is ‘Conspiracy’ To Take Away Guns
To a typical TPer this makes sense: Liberals are always doing things they don't understand, like reading old novels and listening to Beethoven and feeding homeless people. At the same time, the TP masses have the word of their leaders that liberals and all their works are evil, so it is natural to assume evil intent even if one is incapable of understanding the reasoning behind it.
581 | Gus Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:02:14am |
re: #574 Varek Raith
Paranoid NRA Chief: Obama Leaving Gun Owners Alone Is ‘Conspiracy’ To Take Away Guns
...
The fact that he has not done anything proves that he's about to do something!
Hey! What was that? Did you hear that? Something's out there!
582 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:02:39am |
re: #575 wrenchwench
I've seen bad stuff about CAIR. And while they're probably not as bad as Geller would describe them (tho still quite bad), this is the picture an average Republican is getting.
Now, the question is, did they vote against him because he's a Muslim or because of their view of CAIR? Let's even assume that they're deluded about CAIR, I think it doesn't matter much. They still have a legitimate (as they see it) reason for voting him down. I.e. we simply cannot state that it was because of him being a Muslim. (Deep down we do suspect any Muslim wouldn't pass. But...)
583 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:03:52am |
re: #577 Obdicut
Hell, there's room in the GOP for white anti-Israel people, so why shouldn't there be room for Arab ones?
[Video]
Hmm. Well, if these particular people wouldn't have voted down a Paulie, then I would say "go with it".
584 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:04:07am |
re: #582 Sergey Romanov
I've seen bad stuff about CAIR. And while they're probably not as bad as Geller would describe them (tho still quite bad), this is the picture an average Republican is getting.
Now, the question is, did they vote against him because he's a Muslim or because of their view of CAIR? Let's even assume that they're deluded about CAIR, I think it doesn't matter much. They still have a legitimate (as they see it) reason for voting him down. I.e. we simply cannot state that it was because of him being a Muslim. (Deep down we do suspect any Muslim wouldn't pass. But...)
Then there was something wrong with the rules.
585 | Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:04:27am |
re: #577 Obdicut
Hell, there's room in the GOP for white anti-Israel people, so why shouldn't there be room for Arab ones?
[Video]
That question answers itself.
586 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:04:53am |
re: #558 Obdicut
There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.
That's pretty cool. I shall henceforth refer to you as 'Five Pirates.' :)
How was the party last night?
587 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:05:23am |
re: #586 makeitstop
That's pretty cool. I shall henceforth refer to you as 'Five Pirates.' :)
How was the party last night?
He's five pirates! How could the party not be cool?
588 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:06:35am |
re: #582 Sergey Romanov
CAIR is bad. They take what I believe is a deliberately distorted view on Israel, one that ignores or ameliorates the lack of a negotiating position for Israel to deal with. In addition, they've called it a terrorist state, a racist state, and a state committing genocide.
[Link: www.adl.org...]
They do have solid research and reports on anti-Muslim stuff in the US, though. But as an organization, their anti-Israel bias is cartoonish.
589 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:07:02am |
re: #587 EmmmieG
He's five pirates! How could the party not be cool?
True! Any party is better with five pirates! :)
590 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:07:05am |
re: #572 Obdicut
Looking over their stuff, they're still terrible on Israel, of course-- calling the Israeli response in Gaza a 'massacre'-- but the vast majority of stuff on their site is just about legitimate anti-Muslim crap going on in the US.
Yeah, I took a look at the CAIR fla website and it seems fairly tame. They might have cleaned up some but I'm pretty sure they were involved with Sami Al-Arian who was convicted of supporting terrorists.
591 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:07:52am |
re: #588 Obdicut
A savvy org representing Muslims would simply shut up about Israel, IMHO. I mean, it's not the topic directly affecting Muslims in the US.
592 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:09:18am |
593 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:09:37am |
re: #586 makeitstop
That's pretty cool. I shall henceforth refer to you as 'Five Pirates.' :)
How was the party last night?
Oh man I'm kind of glad you didn't come, it was a little boring. There were only like ten people, and though there were some very interesting people there the boring people just broke up the flow so bad. And Annie and Michel only got to play a little. It was a cocktail party without the cocktails, and on just wine nobody got loose enough. And there was one older actress who made so many bad jokes I thought she was auditioning for the role of inverse drag-wearing Archie Bunker. It was surreal.
We're doing the Met today.
594 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:10:52am |
re: #591 Sergey Romanov
A savvy org representing Muslims would simply shut up about Israel, IMHO. I mean, it's not the topic directly affecting Muslims in the US.
Exactly. That they just can't let it go worries me, as does their hyperbole on the subject. They're not anywhere close to reasonable. Which is in direct contrast to some of their domestic stuff.
595 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:12:54am |
596 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:13:01am |
re: #593 Obdicut
Oh man I'm kind of glad you didn't come, it was a little boring. There were only like ten people, and though there were some very interesting people there the boring people just broke up the flow so bad. And Annie and Michel only got to play a little. It was a cocktail party without the cocktails, and on just wine nobody got loose enough. And there was one older actress who made so many bad jokes I thought she was auditioning for the role of inverse drag-wearing Archie Bunker. It was surreal.
We're doing the Met today.
Yikes! Sorry to hear that.
The Met will definitely make things better.
597 | garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:13:04am |
re: #568 iossarian
Do you think Romney wouldn't nominate theocratic loons to the Supreme Court? Or sign gay marriage bans into law?
Romney will do or say whatever he needs to do or say to win the next election. Period.
598 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:14:57am |
re: #591 Sergey Romanov
A savvy org representing Muslims would simply shut up about Israel, IMHO. I mean, it's not the topic directly affecting Muslims in the US.
Not sure about the second half of that statement - I mean, whatever the rights or wrongs of the IP debate, I don't see how it affects Muslims (or at least, those of Middle Eastern origin) in the US any less than it affects any other US citizens.
This is not to say that their position is the right one, only that they can justifiably claim to be "affected" by the political situation there, in that they feel an attachment to the region.
599 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:16:46am |
Here is a debate topic (good morning, btw):
Yesterday, we discussed NJD's habit of posting something, then getting into logic-defying arguments to support postions and being border-line trolly in his behaviour. But, he does, as one member put it, "stick around" to debate his points.
I have a much bigger issue with those "members" whose only contribution to the page is to post an uncommented link to always the same site, making ever the same point, and never bothering to discuss the points made, or provide any "value-added" links, data, opinion, or whatever to enhance the simple link. It is, essentially, a bookmark that keeps popping up on the "Recent Pages" feed.
What's worse? Irrational argumentation, or using lgf like a Twitter feed for the same blog link, over and over and over?
600 | The Left Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:17:57am |
re: #581 Gus 802
...
It must be nice to have a world view that can't be falsified-- all evidence, even the lack of evidence (maybe especially the lack) is all just PROOF OF TEH CONSPIRACIE! for these folks.
601 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:18:30am |
re: #598 iossarian
Not sure about the second half of that statement - I mean, whatever the rights or wrongs of the IP debate, I don't see how it affects Muslims (or at least, those of Middle Eastern origin) in the US any less than it affects any other US citizens.
This is not to say that their position is the right one, only that they can justifiably claim to be "affected" by the political situation there, in that they feel an attachment to the region.
Well, sure, but when we're talking about the org that basically tackles human rights issues inside the US, why does it have to have any POV in I-P?
602 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:19:12am |
re: #597 garhighway
Romney will do or say whatever he needs to do or say to win the next election. Period.
That would put him in the same bucket as all the other politicians in Washington.
603 | recusancy Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:19:19am |
re: #599 imp_62
Here is a debate topic (good morning, btw):
Yesterday, we discussed NJD's habit of posting something, then getting into logic-defying arguments to support postions and being border-line trolly in his behaviour. But, he does, as one member put it, "stick around" to debate his points.I have a much bigger issue with those "members" whose only contribution to the page is to post an uncommented link to always the same site, making ever the same point, and never bothering to discuss the points made, or provide any "value-added" links, data, opinion, or whatever to enhance the simple link. It is, essentially, a bookmark that keeps popping up on the "Recent Pages" feed.
What's worse? Irrational argumentation, or using lgf like a Twitter feed for the same blog link, over and over and over?
Yes that's bad. Probably bannable or at least some sort of auto hide feature would be nice. But NJD does not add any value to his posted links either. He was called on it yesterday and said "read the article". That's it. And that's what he normally does. All he sticks around to do is post more links or say "read the article".
604 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:19:41am |
re: #600 iceweasel
It must be nice to have a world view that can't be falsified-- all evidence, even the lack of evidence (maybe especially the lack) is all just PROOF OF TEH CONSPIRACIE! for these folks.
Falsifiability is the core analytical tool for the validation of any position. If a theory is unfalsifiable, it is wrong. Period.
605 | Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:20:11am |
re: #558 Obdicut
There are products out there with my voice on them because an incompetent producer I worked for never overdubbed me with the real actors. So, I'm like five pirates. Including one pirate doing a Christopher Walken impression.
You must be like all, aarr!
606 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:20:45am |
re: #603 recusancy
Yes that's bad. Probably bannable or at least some sort of auto hide feature would be nice. But NJD does not add any value to his posted links either. He was called on it yesterday and said "read the article". That's it. And that's what he normally does. All he sticks around to do is post more links or say "read the article".
Ok, so NJD aside as an example, you come down on the side of thinking that the second thing is more abusive?
607 | Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:21:15am |
re: #599 imp_62
Here is a debate topic (good morning, btw):
Yesterday, we discussed NJD's habit of posting something, then getting into logic-defying arguments to support postions and being border-line trolly in his behaviour. But, he does, as one member put it, "stick around" to debate his points.I have a much bigger issue with those "members" whose only contribution to the page is to post an uncommented link to always the same site, making ever the same point, and never bothering to discuss the points made, or provide any "value-added" links, data, opinion, or whatever to enhance the simple link. It is, essentially, a bookmark that keeps popping up on the "Recent Pages" feed.
What's worse? Irrational argumentation, or using lgf like a Twitter feed for the same blog link, over and over and over?
are you talking about aigle, the CAMERA spammer? He/She/It sucks.
608 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:21:28am |
re: #604 imp_62
Falsifiability is the core analytical tool for the validation of any position. If a theory is unfalsifiable, it is wrong. Period.
It's not wrong, it's unscientific, and then only according to Popper, whose analysis is not universally accepted nowadays.
609 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:21:50am |
re: #598 iossarian
Not sure about the second half of that statement - I mean, whatever the rights or wrongs of the IP debate, I don't see how it affects Muslims (or at least, those of Middle Eastern origin) in the US any less than it affects any other US citizens.
This is not to say that their position is the right one, only that they can justifiably claim to be "affected" by the political situation there, in that they feel an attachment to the region.
I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.
610 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:21:54am |
re: #607 Alouette
are you talking about aigle, the CAMERA spammer?
You saw my comment on aigle's page? Yes.
611 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:23:12am |
re: #608 Sergey Romanov
It's not wrong, it's unscientific, and then only according to Popper, whose analysis is not universally accepted nowadays.
We've had the Popper discussion in the past... But since the theory of falsifiability is falsifiable, isn't that a validation? But anyway, as applied to conspiracy theories, I think it holds true.
:)
612 | recusancy Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:23:21am |
re: #606 imp_62
Ok, so NJD aside as an example, you come down on the side of thinking that the second thing is more abusive?
I don't read or really even look at the right side bar so I don't really notice it. I don't think anything is worse or better. If that other person doesn't even bother to post in the comments about unrelated stuff then he/she's pretty much valueless to the blog and probably should be banned. Just for adding unnecessary clutter.
613 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:23:40am |
re: #601 Sergey Romanov
Well, sure, but when we're talking about the org that basically tackles human rights issues inside the US, why does it have to have any POV in I-P?
Well, I can see two reasons:
A) Because a lot of its members have strong opinions on that debate, and it exists at least in part in order to give voice to those opinions.
B) Because its members make a connection (rightly or wrongly) between US policy in the Middle East and the treatment of Muslims in the US.
614 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:24:25am |
re: #612 recusancy
I don't read or really even look at the right side bar so I don't really notice it. I don't think anything is worse or better. If that other person doesn't even bother to post in the comments about unrelated stuff then he/she's pretty much valueless to the blog and probably should be banned. Just for adding unnecessary clutter.
I'm very interested in the right side bar, but if something doesn't interest me, I just don't click.
615 | Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:24:37am |
re: #610 imp_62
You saw my comment on aigle's page? Yes.
I generally don't bother to look at aigle's links since I can go to CAMERA directly if I am so inclined. However lately I have been disinclined because of the amount of spam they send out (here, Twitter, Facebook and elsewhere)
616 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:24:38am |
I dunno. Aigle and the like don't bother me at all. It's like a newsfeed. If I see a potentially interesting item, I click. I don't necessarily need a long descr. beyond the title.
617 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:25:06am |
re: #609 Killgore Trout
I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.
I think they are having the discussion. It simply does not get the air- or webtime that CAIR et al command. Jewish social structure is more permissive of open dissent, at this point of history.
618 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:25:39am |
re: #613 iossarian
Well, again, they're free to do anything they want. They just don't fall under my def of a savvy org, is all.
619 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:26:39am |
re: #616 Sergey Romanov
I dunno. Aigle and the like don't bother me at all. It's like a newsfeed. If I see a potentially interesting item, I click. I don't necessarily need a long descr. beyond the title.
I like the idea of an ignore feature, though. Maybe Charles will use some of his ample free time (/ sarc) to code one.
620 | garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:27:07am |
re: #599 imp_62
What's worse? Irrational argumentation, or using lgf like a Twitter feed for the same blog link, over and over and over?
Is this a quiz? Does it count towards our final grade?
622 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:28:33am |
re: #612 recusancy
I don't read or really even look at the right side bar
Why not? You don't even know what you're missing if you don't look at it.
623 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:29:12am |
re: #620 garhighway
Is this a quiz? Does it count towards our final grade?
Lollipops for the highest score.
624 | iossarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:29:23am |
re: #618 Sergey Romanov
Well, again, they're free to do anything they want. They just don't fall under my def of a savvy org, is all.
That's fair enough, it certainly isn't "savvy" in terms of building mainstream support in the US.
625 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:29:57am |
Let a hundred flowers bloom!
/ONOZ! I just quoted a murderous commie!
626 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:31:13am |
PS: the commie is murderous but the principle is good. Magnets!
627 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:31:22am |
re: #619 imp_62
I like the idea of an ignore feature, though. Maybe Charles will use some of his ample free time (/ sarc) to code one.
Slasher: A downding? ummmm - why?
628 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:34:13am |
I figure I'm about as far left as Dwight Eisenhower, which makes me practically a Bolshevik in the present context.
629 | Shropshire_Slasher Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:35:28am |
re: #627 imp_62
I don't like INTIMIDATION.
You may not like NJD, but he does stick around, and he is polite, and is not a name caller. You no likepost, you no read/comment. We are not wasting paper here.
630 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:36:34am |
re: #629 Shropshire_Slasher
I don't like INTIMIDATION.
You may not like NJD, but he does stick around, and he is polite, and is not a name caller. You no likepost, you no read/comment. We are not wasting paper here.
C'mon. Imp defended NJD yesterday.
631 | recusancy Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:36:50am |
re: #622 wrenchwench
Why not? You don't even know what you're missing if you don't look at it.
It seems to just be news item postings. The few that are personal stories or insights similar to what you'd find on dkos are interesting but those are too far and few between. Plus Charles has been promoting those to the front page so I'm not really missing them either.
As far as the news clip postings, I've already gone through all my news feeds by the time I've gotten to this site so I don't need to know what Apple is doing or what other blogs said about some news item or what poll came out.
632 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:36:58am |
And...here's your shaggy dog story for the morning.
[Link: blog.oregonlive.com...]
633 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:37:34am |
I just thought we needed a shaggy dog story.
634 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:38:08am |
re: #633 EmmmieG
I just thought we needed a shaggy dog story.
This thread needs more cute kittens. And cowbell.
636 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:38:42am |
re: #629 Shropshire_Slasher
I don't like INTIMIDATION.
You may not like NJD, but he does stick around, and he is polite, and is not a name caller. You no likepost, you no read/comment. We are not wasting paper here.
OK. Now, first of all, I was the first person to stand up for NJD yesterday. This is not about him. Secondly, my support for the idea of an ignore button is driven by the fact that some posters, IMO, abuse the lgf platform as a redistributor of "naked" links. I would like to ignore those members.
How is any of this "Intimadation"?
637 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:39:15am |
re: #629 Shropshire_Slasher
and is not a name caller.
He made an exception for Stanley Sea yesterday....
639 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:42:18am |
re: #629 Shropshire_Slasher
Anyway, nbd. Misunderstandings happen.
640 | Shropshire_Slasher Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:42:20am |
re: #636 imp_62
I don't mean to be an ass. With your previous #599 post it sounded a lot like group think mentality banning the unwashed/unliked. NJD gets a lotta shit IMO.
642 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:43:38am |
re: #640 Shropshire_Slasher
I'd never use an ignore button. That's not what LGF is about, for me. At its best, it's about forcing you, or me, to confront opinions we disagree with that are presented well.
643 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:43:53am |
re: #640 Shropshire_Slasher
I don't mean to be an ass. With your previous #599 post it sounded a lot like group think mentality banning the unwashed/unliked. NJD gets a lotta shit IMO.
Nope. Complete misunderstanding. I have only ever recommended the removal of one page, and that was for legal/regulatory reasons.
646 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:48:13am |
re: #642 Obdicut
I'd never use an ignore button. That's not what LGF is about, for me. At its best, it's about forcing you, or me, to confront opinions we disagree with that are presented well.
Agreed, when there is some sort of opinion, or the poster is willing to discuss. But I would say that there are clearly some members who don't state opinions, don't engage, and are simply reposting. An option to ignore those posters would not suppress the exchange of ideas here, would it? It would simply clean up the page and allow me to see more value-added posts. Anyway, I am not advocating for an "ignore" button; I simply wish people would actually take advantage of this awesome free resource to engage in debate, discussion - hell even banter and socializing! But, I suppose that is their loss.
648 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:48:49am |
649 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:49:21am |
re: #644 Shropshire_Slasher
{{{GROUP HUG}}}
Hehehe - I'm a sucker for hugs. It's the sensitive Eurotrash side of me...
650 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:49:25am |
651 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:49:53am |
re: #646 imp_62
I have no problem with the existence of an ignore button. I just wouldn't use it. And if someone chose to 'ignore' someone other than a complete troll, I'd think much less of them.
652 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:52:30am |
re: #651 Obdicut
I have no problem with the existence of an ignore button. I just wouldn't use it. And if someone chose to 'ignore' someone other than a complete troll, I'd think much less of them.
What if someone repeatedly posted shaggy dog stories, just to be obnoxious?
653 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:53:48am |
Y'all are arguing over little ol' me?
I'm honored!
:)
654 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:54:02am |
re: #652 EmmmieG
What if someone repeatedly posted shaggy dog stories, just to be obnoxious?
There aren't that many shaggy dog stories.
655 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:54:27am |
656 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:54:56am |
re: #652 EmmmieG
What if someone repeatedly posted shaggy dog stories, just to be obnoxious?
I have a really good story about someone who told shaggy dog stories about tellers of shaggy dog stories. See, this guy was living on a really busy intersection, and it was the day of the GOP debate, but he wasn't planning on watching it, because his wife had already decided that they should go away for Thanksgiving.
More?
657 | Shropshire_Slasher Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:55:14am |
Well I have a pet peeve. I listen to a lot of radio, and when I hear about a local business, it annoys me greatly that the professional paid announcer can't pronounce the town correctly. Take the town of Coxsackie, NY. It is pronounced 'cook-saki" (like saki wine). In this paid advert, it is pronounced 'cock-suckie' I would hate to live in that town (unless you are into that thing, who am I to judge!), or have paid for that advert.
658 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:55:32am |
re: #653 NJDhockeyfan
No, I was using you as a bad example. Get back in the corner ;)
659 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:55:39am |
660 | Obdicut Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:55:52am |
re: #652 EmmmieG
What if someone repeatedly posted shaggy dog stories, just to be obnoxious?
What's a shaggy dog story?
Is that when someone-- I mean, maybe it's someone online, maybe in person, you might have met this person in a bar when you were trying to catch the eye of the bartender but the bartender was hitting on some chick so you had trouble getting his eye and so this old-timer, this real Rime of the Ancient Mariner dude just collars you and begin telling you a long, long story, and he seems like an interesting dude so maybe somewhere at the end of the story there's going to be a payoff, but you finally catch the bartender's eye and he comes over and you order a drink and the you ask the guy to finish his story and he starts all over from the beginning and it's all about some guy collaring him at a bar and beginning to tell him an interminable story while he tried to get the bartender's attention?
661 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:56:29am |
re: #658 imp_62
No, I was using you as a bad example. Get back in the corner ;)
That's what my wife keeps saying to the kids.
662 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:57:06am |
re: #661 NJDhockeyfan
That's what my wife keeps saying to the kids.
My brother, I don't think she's talking to the kids....
663 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:58:00am |
re: #662 imp_62
My brother, I don't think she's talking to the kids...
Oh, she is. "Don't be like daddy!"
664 | lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:58:15am |
re: #651 Obdicut
I've already got an "ignore" button. It's called the scroll button on my mouse - if there's something I don't care to read, I simply skip over it. If there's stuff in the links that are interesting, I read. If not, then I don't.
No need to go beyond that IMO - so I'm with you.
666 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:59:03am |
re: #664 lawhawk
I've already got an "ignore" button. It's called the scroll button on my mouse - if there's something I don't care to read, I simply skip over it. If there's stuff in the links that are interesting, I read. If not, then I don't.
No need to go beyond that IMO - so I'm with you.
tl;dnr
//
667 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:59:27am |
re: #648 Killgore Trout
The comments are a kaleidoscope of tp talking points and fractured bigot "folk wisdom." I especially liked this one, yet another variation on the morons' "book learnin' vs. commonsense" meme:
Try drilling in a work ethic instead. I'll take an employee who will actually show up over a well educated one any day. That's the biggest problem I see. We hire people, and then the don't show half the time, so we have to let them go. You can train for the job. But if they didn't learn work ethic by the time they actually enter the work force, then it's probably too late.
Yeah, asshole, there's no work involved in getting an education. I have a PhD, no doubt this fool thinks it was donated because of my good looks and awesome political connections. Actually, I got it on the GI Bill, which is not a bribe to induce lazy vets to vote librul, but something I damned well earned in Vietnam among other places. I also worked as a security guard at the Motel 6 while I was in college, spending hours in a lab then more hours fighting drunks and crazy rednecks like this asshole. Same with my military retirement check, which some of these salt of the earth types also find a cause for bellyaching. Fuck them, I'm keeping Uncle Sam's money.
668 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 9:59:53am |
Monster Puppy came home from his Tri-State Show tour all full of himself. Other two dogs weren't so impressed. So for three days, now, I've had three dogs "wrestling" and making very loud violent sounds. All while wagging their tails.
Monster Puppy on his back underneath the other two, growling and biting is while wagging his tail is rather humorous.
How has your day been so far?
669 | Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:00:24am |
re: #657 Shropshire_Slasher
Well I have a pet peeve. I listen to a lot of radio, and when I hear about a local business, it annoys me greatly that the professional paid announcer can't pronounce the town correctly. Take the town of Coxsackie, NY. It is pronounced 'cook-saki" (like saki wine). In this paid advert, it is pronounced 'cock-suckie' I would hate to live in that town (unless you are into that thing, who am I to judge!), or have paid for that advert.
They should have thought of that before they named the town!
671 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:02:07am |
re: #668 ggt
Monster Puppy came home from his Tri-State Show tour all full of himself. Other two dogs weren't so impressed. So for three days, now, I've had three dogs "wrestling" and making very loud violent sounds. All while wagging their tails.
Monster Puppy on his back underneath the other two, growling and biting is while wagging his tail is rather humorous.
How has your day been so far?
Like lancing boils on my mother-in-law's ass.
672 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:03:07am |
673 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:03:43am |
re: #668 ggt
Monster Puppy came home from his Tri-State Show tour all full of himself. Other two dogs weren't so impressed. So for three days, now, I've had three dogs "wrestling" and making very loud violent sounds. All while wagging their tails.
Monster Puppy on his back underneath the other two, growling and biting is while wagging his tail is rather humorous.
How has your day been so far?
I love the name "Monster Puppy".
674 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:04:08am |
Yeah, but my shaggy dog story was about a shaggy dog.
That got into traffic and then got home.
Which is probably even less interesting than a "shaggy dog story."
675 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:05:11am |
676 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:05:39am |
re: #674 EmmmieG
Yeah, but my shaggy dog story was about a shaggy dog.
That got into traffic and then got home.
Which is probably even less interesting than a "shaggy dog story."
[Link: tvtropes.org...]
[Link: tvtropes.org...]
677 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:05:42am |
re: #674 EmmmieG
Yeah, but my shaggy dog story was about a shaggy dog.
That got into traffic and then got home.
Which is probably even less interesting than a "shaggy dog story."
Monster Puppy isn't shaggy. He is show groomed and looks FABULOUS.
:)
678 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:06:17am |
re: #677 ggt
Monster Puppy isn't shaggy. He is show groomed and looks FABULOUS.
:)
Which is more than I can say for my sons. If we get as far as a clean shirt and face, I'm happy.
679 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:06:54am |
682 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:08:03am |
re: #678 EmmmieG
Which is more than I can say for my sons. If we get as far as a clean shirt and face, I'm happy.
Oh - Teenagers.
683 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:08:47am |
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
“And the question was asked, should we normalize trading with Cuba? Why would you normalize trading with a country that sponsors terror?” Bachmann said. “Cuba — there’s reports that have come out that Cuba has been working with another terrorist organization called Hezbollah. And Hezbollah is potentially looking at wanting to be part of missile sites in Iran.
“And, of course, when you’re 90 miles offshore from Florida, you don’t want to entertain the prospect of hosting bases or sites where Hezbollah could have training camps or perhaps have missile sites or weapons sites in Cuba. This would be foolish.”
684 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:09:08am |
re: #678 EmmmieG
Which is more than I can say for my sons. If we get as far as a clean shirt and face, I'm happy.
ahhahah
There is one family that comes into the store in which I work. They have the most adorable little boy --his face is ALWAYS dirty. Nothing else, just his face. One day he came in with a clean face and I commented that he must be sick, jokingly.
They laughed and said they-all had to wrestled him to the ground and went over him with a wash cloth before they left the house.
685 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:10:06am |
686 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:10:38am |
re: #682 imp_62
Oh - Teenagers.
A mother of grown boys told me not to worry. It would all change once girls entered their lives.
687 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:11:17am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
This women is a menace to the globe.
688 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:11:17am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
There MUST be a way to get her to believe that communist Morlocks are tunneling underneath Cuba on their way to D.C. to deliver a payload of illegal radioactive Haitian immigrants.
689 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:12:11am |
re: #679 Sergey Romanov
NTTAWWT!
I wasn't involved in the grooming process, but I understood it took 3 people to keep him in line.
He thought he was being tortured.
690 | albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:12:45am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
why would Hez train in Cuba when they could train in Mexico then simply walk across the border?
691 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:13:10am |
re: #686 ggt
A mother of grown boys told me not to worry. It would all change once girls entered their lives.
Yes. That is when our pity shifts from the mother of the boy to the father of the girl. No sarc tag. My kids: 19 yo girl, 17 yo boy, 15 yo girl.
692 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:13:19am |
re: #689 ggt
I wasn't involved in the grooming process, but I understood it took 3 people to keep him in line.
He thought he was being tortured.
Try a four year old little girl with curly hair. They can talk, and aren't afraid to try to hit.
I was told I didn't love her any more.
693 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:13:36am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
Quick! Send Bono in a U2 to confirm.
694 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:14:58am |
This is creepy...
Harvard's Website Hacked by 'Syrian Electronic Army'
Harvard University’s home page was hacked Monday morning by a group calling themselves the “Syrian Electronic Army.”
The hackers, sympathizers with the Syrian regime, replaced photos on the page with an image of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad with the tagline “Syrian Electronic Army Were Here.”
“The University’s homepage was compromised by an outside party this morning,” University spokesperson John D. Longbrake confirmed in a statement. “We took down the site for several hours in order to restore it. The attack appears to have been the work of a sophisticated individual or group.”
...“Do you support the war on Syria? If you are you, as well as the following Syria’s population of 23 million people. This means 23 million mobile bomb. Imagine what we could do.”
695 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:15:37am |
re: #693 Decatur Deb
Quick! Send Bono in a U2 to confirm.
But Bono knows How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb.
696 | allegro Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:15:50am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
Honestly, that woman makes a bowl of bean dip appear erudite. Could not occur to her that normalizing trade relations might just be the best preventative medicine there is?
697 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:16:03am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
Oh, FFS. That woman is clearly getting desperate.
She can see the end of her campaign from her house.
/
698 | lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:16:24am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Hizbullah?
That's quite the reach and probably can be sourced back to Debka or some other similar site. Apparently, there's a single Italian newspaper claiming that Hizbullah has set up a camp in Cuba.
Iran has been making inroads in Latin America and Chavez and Castro are likely aligned in similar anti-America interests, so there's a kernel of plausibility. But it's quite a stretch from plausibility to bringing missile in that would be capable of hitting the US. That's Cuban Missile Crisis territory - requiring transporting medium range missiles thousands of miles from Iran/ME to Cuba without anyone detecting and using missile tech that the Iranians have shown to have all kinds of issues with (fauxtographing failed launches for example).
Cutting against that is that Cuba is looking at ways to normalize relations with the US.
699 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:17:56am |
re: #694 NJDhockeyfan
This is creepy...
Banks of computers, a bunch of hackers, and the best they could do was hack Harvard? Bizarre.
700 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:18:23am |
re: #698 lawhawk
Besides if it were so, we would have heard from official sources already.
701 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:19:44am |
re: #695 EmmmieG
But Bono knows How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb.
More of your Thread Sabotage!!! (Had to look that up, and scrambled my tabs.)
702 | garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:21:06am |
re: #697 makeitstop
Oh, FFS. That woman is clearly getting desperate.
She can see the end of her campaign from her house.
/
Yup. As the poll numbers and contributions shrink, the need for attention of any kind grows.
703 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:22:08am |
OT (If we even have a topic, currently):
There was a page posted recently about Ahava having to cease trading in London due to constant harassment of the employees and protests at the shop.
For those of you who travel through JetBlue T5 at JFK, there is a beauty/cosmetics shop down one of the gate hallways which carries a pretty decent selection of Ahava products. I like the stuff, and I like to support merchants who carry it, so I make a point of stopping in to purchase items when I pass through T5 (all too frequently).
704 | CuriousLurker Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:24:56am |
re: #617 imp_62
I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.
I think they are having the discussion. It simply does not get the air- or webtime that CAIR et al command. Jewish social structure is more permissive of open dissent, at this point of history.
QFT.
CAIR, MAS, ISNA statements ≠ universal support in the Muslim community
There is every bit as much latitude of opinion in the Muslim community as there is in any other community. I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.
705 | Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:26:28am |
re: #703 imp_62
OT (If we even have a topic, currently):
There was a page posted recently about Ahava having to cease trading in London due to constant harassment of the employees and protests at the shop.
For thos eof you who travel through JetBlue T5 at JFK, there is a beauty/cosmetics shop down one of the gate hallways which carries a prety decent selection of Ahava products. I like the stuff, and I like to support merchants who carry it, so I make a point of stopping in to purchase items when I pass through T5 (all too frequently).
706 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:26:41am |
Sorry to shamelessly promote my page.
I never heard of Carlos Slim.
I don't read enough Current Events.
707 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:27:11am |
re: #702 garhighway
Yup. As the poll numbers and contributions shrink, the need for attention of any kind grows.
Scraping her nails against the mountain side as she falls . . . . . .
708 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:28:09am |
re: #704 CuriousLurker
I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.QFT.
CAIR, MAS, ISNA statements ≠ universal support in the Muslim community
There is every bit as much latitude of opinion in the Muslim community as there is in any other community. I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.
I think that in the aftermath of 9/11, the US Muslim community is still struggling to find its voice. The likes of CAIR, who had an infrastructure in place, had a natural advantage in presenting themselves as the representative voice of Islam in America. It takes a while for alternatives to establish themselves and claim the bandwidth necessary to be noticed in the debate. Could you, CL, link to some moderate Muslim sources/organizations in the US?
709 | CuriousLurker Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:30:52am |
re: #704 CuriousLurker
Just to clarify, the top seciton was posted by KT, not Imp_62. My comment should have looked like this:
re: #617 imp_62
re: #609 Killgore Trout
I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.I think they are having the discussion. It simply does not get the air- or webtime that CAIR et al command. Jewish social structure is more permissive of open dissent, at this point of history.
QFT.
CAIR, MAS, ISNA statements ≠ universal support in the Muslim community
There is every bit as much latitude of opinion in the Muslim community as there is in any other community. I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.
710 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:31:40am |
Hahaha. Gaffney fail...
Three weeks ago, Frank Gaffney released a new pledge asking presidential candidates to swear they will fight the non-existent threat of Sharia if elected president. Yet, as of publication time, none of the 10 major Republican presidential candidates have signed Gaffney’s anti-Sharia pledge.
He can't even get Santorum or Bachmann to sign on. The fail is strong in this one.
711 | lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:31:47am |
re: #706 ggt
Slim is a major investor in the NYT and who helped keep the paper afloat when it imploded fiscally.
712 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:32:42am |
re: #710 makeitstop
Hahaha. Gaffney fail...
He can't even get Santorum or Bachmann to sign on. The fail is strong in this one.
If he got Santorum all over the page, nobody else could sign it, anyway.
713 | garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:33:03am |
re: #710 makeitstop
Hahaha. Gaffney fail...
He can't even get Santorum or Bachmann to sign on. The fail is strong in this one.
I'd love to see him try to get Christie to sign that.
714 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:35:20am |
re: #704 CuriousLurker
I think the Muslim support for the Palestinians has been a major problem for them especially after 9-11. CAIR, MAS, ISNA, etc have all been very supportive of the Palestinian cause have pretty all been at least somewhat supportive of terrorism. I think the universal support in the Muslim community has hurt them greatly.
They should learn from the Jewish community. There is a large degree of support for Israel but rarely results in support for terrorists (Kahanists, JDL, etc). There is also a wide variety of opinion about Israel, even many progressive secular Jews hate Israel. But at least the conversation is being had and I think that's important. Muslims should be doing the same thing.QFT.
CAIR, MAS, ISNA statements ≠ universal support in the Muslim community
There is every bit as much latitude of opinion in the Muslim community as there is in any other community. I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.
I try to base my opinions on my personal dealings with other human beings. I find most of the muslims I meet or work with to be regular people. Most are customers at the store at which I work. Some of the men seem a little strange --or uncomfortable in dealing with me. The women are cold at first, but after a few transactions are wonderful.
I don't get any weird vibes or any indications that any of the "threat" stories are true.
Not that my experiences mean anything in the larger picture. It just makes it harder for me to take the scare rhetoric seriously.
People living in a totally white world have no frame of reference.
715 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:35:52am |
And on a related note, Gaffney's arched eyebrow still annoys the crap outta me.
Does he think it makes him look incisive or smart or something?
716 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:37:51am |
re: #709 CuriousLurker
I would think that should be obvious unless the assumption is that Muslims are so addle-brained by their religion that they're unable to form independent opinions.
Strawman Ackbar!
717 | garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:38:29am |
re: #714 ggt
One of the joys of living in NYC is that you deal with all sorts of people all the time. You learn quickly that people are people: some are nice, some are jerks, and whether they are nice or a jerk is pretty much unrelated to their ethnicity or religion.
718 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:38:48am |
re: #711 lawhawk
Slim is a major investor in the NYT and who helped keep the paper afloat when it imploded fiscally.
I saw that in the article I posted!
I really haven't been paying attention -- or haven't been sifting the infoworld efficiently.
720 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:39:48am |
re: #717 garhighway
One of the joys of living in NYC is that you deal with all sorts of people all the time. You learn quickly that people are people: some are nice, some are jerks, and whether they are nice or a jerk is pretty much unrelated to their ethnicity or religion.
I know. I've spent most of my life in the 'burbs of a large city. So much of what I consider "normal" isn't to many.
That kinda freaks me out a little.
721 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:40:22am |
722 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:41:12am |
Pandora really has the "music genome" thing nailed. I entered 3 artists: The Shins, Arcade Fire, and Leonard Cohen. Now, just an hour later, Pandora is essentially playing my ipod playlist.
723 | albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:41:46am |
re: #717 garhighway
One of the joys of living in NYC is that you deal with all sorts of people all the time. You learn quickly that people are people: some are nice, some are jerks, and whether they are nice or a jerk is pretty much unrelated to their ethnicity or religion.
I'm ethically challenged...I just don't give a shit...I value the difference between people far more than our similarities
724 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:42:16am |
re: #722 imp_62
Pandora really has the "music genome" thing nailed. I entered 3 artists: The Shins, Arcade Fire, and Leonard Cohen. Now, just an hour later, Pandora is essentially playing my ipod playlist.
What if your playlist is schizo?
725 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:43:57am |
re: #720 ggt
I know. I've spent most of my life in the 'burbs of a large city. So much of what I consider "normal" isn't to many.
That kinda freaks me out a little.
That's the best thing about NYC. Used to pass this guy (something of a genius) on my way to work each day:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
726 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:44:11am |
re: #724 EmmmieG
What if your playlist is schizo?
None of my personalities understands, or indeed appreciates, your comment.
727 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:44:40am |
re: #723 albusteve
I'm ethically challenged...I just don't give a shit...I value the difference between people far more than our similarities
I get weirded out in small towns. I feel like I'm surrounded by clones. Grain Elevators, cattle, tractors --like a Stephen King novel.
I relish new and different. I need my chain stores and signs of civilization written in different languages.
728 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:45:15am |
729 | CuriousLurker Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:45:34am |
re: #708 imp_62
I think that in the aftermath of 9/11, the US Muslim community is still struggling to find its voice. The likes of CAIR, who had an infrastructure in place, had a natural advantage in presenting themselves as the representative voice of Islam in America. It takes a while for alternatives to establish themselves and claim the bandwidth necessary to be noticed in the debate. Could you, CL, link to some moderate Muslim sources/organizations in the US?
Sorry for the delay, but I'm on a conference call. Here are a couple:
[Link: www.wisemuslimwomen.org...]
[Link: www.asmasociety.org...]
[Link: www.muslimleadersoftomorrow.org...]
[Link: www.cordobainitiative.org...]
[Link: www.nawawi.org...]
I'm glad you asked as I really should go through my bookmarks and make a proper list.
730 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:46:33am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
And the evil Demon-rats would just let them get away with it, just like they did in 1962.
/
I would be surprised if the Hezbos had a missile with the range to reach Florida from Cuba. Besides, Castro and his henchmen know perfectly well that if such a launch did occur, the launch site, all associated facilities, and their entire rickety infrastructure would be reduced to craters and smoking rubble by the next day.
731 | Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:49:23am |
re: #729 CuriousLurker
Sorry for the delay, but I'm on a conference call. Here are a couple:
[Link: www.wisemuslimwomen.org...]
[Link: www.asmasociety.org...]
[Link: www.muslimleadersoftomorrow.org...]
[Link: www.cordobainitiative.org...]
[Link: www.nawawi.org...]I'm glad you asked as I really should go through my bookmarks and make a proper list.
Please do, and post it here as a page.
732 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:49:29am |
re: #729 CuriousLurker
Sorry for the delay, but I'm on a conference call. Here are a couple:
[Link: www.wisemuslimwomen.org...]
[Link: www.asmasociety.org...]
[Link: www.muslimleadersoftomorrow.org...]
[Link: www.cordobainitiative.org...]
[Link: www.nawawi.org...]I'm glad you asked as I really should go through my bookmarks and make a proper list.
Perhaps a page is in order?
733 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:50:17am |
I had a come to Jesus meeting with my little girl dog. She has decided that she is the Alpha Bitch and can decide which dog is allowed on the bed or at my feet.
I made it clear that I am the ONLY Alpha Bitch in the house.
I don't know what she was thinking. . . .
734 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:50:57am |
re: #730 Shiplord Kirel
Besides, Castro and his henchmen know perfectly well that if such a launch did occur, the launch site, all associated facilities, and their entire rickety infrastructure would be reduced to craters and smoking rubble
by the next daylater that afternoon.
FTFY
Missile strikes from Cuba would be the fastest way for Castro to find himself on the business end of the U.S. military. He knows better than that.
735 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:18am |
736 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:27am |
re: #733 ggt
I had a come to Jesus meeting with my little girl dog. She has decided that she is the Alpha Bitch and can decide which dog is allowed on the bed or at my feet.
I made it clear that I am the ONLY Alpha Bitch in the house.
I don't know what she was thinking. . . .
Stay Away From this one, imp. No touchy.
737 | CuriousLurker Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:30am |
re: #714 ggt
I try to base my opinions on my personal dealings with other human beings. I find most of the muslims I meet or work with to be regular people. Most are customers at the store at which I work. Some of the men seem a little strange --or uncomfortable in dealing with me. The women are cold at first, but after a few transactions are wonderful.
I don't get any weird vibes or any indications that any of the "threat" stories are true.
Not that my experiences mean anything in the larger picture. It just makes it harder for me to take the scare rhetoric seriously.
People living in a totally white world have no frame of reference.
The men are probably just trying not to overstep any bounds (if they're American). If they're foreign, yeah, it could be discomfort.
As for the women seeming cold, please understand that a lot of it may be defensiveness. This is especially true if they're wearing hijab as they've probably dealt with all sorts of hostility (the hijab making them easily identifiable targets).
Glad to hear that you have at least some dealings with Muslims and base your opinions on those rather than the scare stuff. ;)
738 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:42am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
IIRC, Hezbollah primarily uses the Katyusha rocket.
It can't possibly reach Florida. Hell, it'll barely make it off the shores of Cuba.
739 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:51:52am |
Living People to Appear on Stamps
Who said the United States Postal Service isn’t au courant?
Starting next year, it will start putting the faces of living people on stamps.
The Postal Service announced Monday that it was dropping its age-old rule that required a person depicted on a stamp to have been dead for at least five years. Now, it is willing to use the mug of someone still alive or only recently dead.
Desperate to engage the public as postal revenues decline, the agency is even asking the public to jump on Facebook or Twitter to submit the names of five people whose faces they would like to see stuck on their envelopes. Of course, you can mail your suggestion to the Postal Service, too.
I don't have either Facebook or Twitter accounts but my picks are:
1. Jessica Alba
2. Katy Perry
3. Stacy Keibler
4. Scarlett Johansson
5. Evan Rachel Wood
741 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:52:22am |
re: #683 Killgore Trout
Bachmann’s Newest Conspiracy Theory: Hezbollah Could Build Missile Sites In Cuba!
Is there any conspiracy theory she doesn't believe in?
742 | CuriousLurker Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:53:01am |
743 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:53:15am |
re: #737 CuriousLurker
The men are probably just trying not to overstep any bounds (if they're American). If they're foreign, yeah, it could be discomfort.
As for the women seeming cold, please understand that a lot of it may be defensiveness. This is especially true if they're wearing hijab as they've probably dealt with all sorts of hostility (the hijab making them easily identifiable targets).
Glad to hear that you have at least some dealings with Muslims and base your opinions on those rather than the scare stuff. ;)
One of the girls on my daughter's field hockey team wears hijab. In matching uniform colour, naturally.
744 | CuriousLurker Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:53:45am |
re: #732 imp_62
Perhaps a page is in order?
Good idea. I'll have to dig through my bookmarks this weekend.
745 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:53:52am |
re: #741 Lidane
Is there any conspiracy theory she doesn't believe in?
Why would you ask that? Are you recording this? Is there someone else in the room?
746 | Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:54:02am |
re: #739 NJDhockeyfan
Living People to Appear on Stamps
I don't have either Facebook or Twitter accounts but my picks are:
1. Jessica Alba
2. Katy Perry
3. Stacy Keibler
4. Scarlett Johansson
5. Evan Rachel Wood
That's so cool! Can I get my grandkids their own stamps? Well, at least the U.S. ones, the Canadians and the Israelis are out of luck.
747 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:54:45am |
re: #739 NJDhockeyfan
Living People to Appear on Stamps
I don't have either Facebook or Twitter accounts but my picks are:
1. Jessica Alba
2. Katy Perry
3. Stacy Keibler
4. Scarlett Johansson
5. Evan Rachel Wood
Faces, not hacked cellphone nudes.
748 | CuriousLurker Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:54:51am |
re: #743 imp_62
One of the girls on my daughter's field hockey team wears hijab. In matching uniform colour, naturally.
Well, yeah. We still want to be color coordinated! ;)
749 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:54:57am |
re: #737 CuriousLurker
The men are probably just trying not to overstep any bounds (if they're American). If they're foreign, yeah, it could be discomfort.
As for the women seeming cold, please understand that a lot of it may be defensiveness. This is especially true if they're wearing hijab as they've probably dealt with all sorts of hostility (the hijab making them easily identifiable targets).
Glad to hear that you have at least some dealings with Muslims and base your opinions on those rather than the scare stuff. ;)
True on both counts. One Mother and daughter come in fully draped --only their faces showing. The first time I asked if they needed help, I really believe they were shocked. All smiles and hellos to me when the come in now.
I don't know CL, I'm in business to make money --whether I'm an hourly part-time employee or not. That is how I work. As long as people have green money to spend, I don't care if they are purple and polka-dotted with feathers coming out of their head. I'm going to try to help them.
Outside of work, I figure I never know what like of business I am going to be in next and everyone is a potential customer --or friend. I can't get drawn into some psychotic game of judging people. We are all children of the same creator.
750 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:55:01am |
re: #738 Varek Raith
IIRC, Hezbollah primarily uses the Katyusha rocket.
It can't possibly reach Florida. Hell, it'll barely make it off the shores of Cuba.
Don't harsh her buzzbomb.
751 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:55:24am |
re: #741 Lidane
Is there any conspiracy theory she doesn't believe in?
I don't think she's weighed in on the Bigfoot-UFO connection yet.
752 | Kragar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:56:00am |
re: #739 NJDhockeyfan
Living People to Appear on Stamps
I don't have either Facebook or Twitter accounts but my picks are:
1. Jessica Alba
2. Katy Perry
3. Stacy Keibler
4. Scarlett Johansson
5. Evan Rachel Wood
You realize you don't lick stamps anymore, right?
753 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:56:06am |
re: #746 Alouette
That's so cool! Can I get my grandkids their own stamps? Well, at least the U.S. ones, the Canadians and the Israelis are out of luck.
I think you can get anything you want on a stamp at stamps.com
This is America afterall. . . .
:)
754 | shutdown Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:04am |
re: #753 ggt
I think you can get anything you want on a stamp at stamps.com
We've come a long way from Alice's Restaurant.
755 | Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:09am |
Just yesterday I was thinking it has been a while since we saw a Reuters photo that was faked. Providence provides a new scandal...
Fauxtograph of RPG being fired
756 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:18am |
re: #751 Shiplord Kirel
I don't think she's weighed in on the Bigfoot-UFO connection yet.
I guess her husband hasn't told her what to think about it yet.
757 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:34am |
re: #754 imp_62
We've come a long way from Alice's Restaurant.
Group W bench seems so long ago . . .
758 | Kragar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:35am |
Speaking of stamps...
759 | lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57:39am |
re: #738 Varek Raith
The bulk of the Hizbullah missile inventory is at the short range - under 30 miles (the aforementioned Katuysha). The longest range missiles that they are reliably known to possess can have a max range of 100km - which still falls short of Key West but have only a limited quantity of those missiles. It's not believed that they possess Scuds or similar medium range missiles.
However, Hizbullah does have anti-shipping missile capabilities - as witnessed when they fired on an Israeli destroyer off the coast of Lebanon causing significant damage. That's a threat, but not one that the US Navy can't deal with.
760 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:58:42am |
re: #741 Lidane
Is there any conspiracy theory she doesn't believe in?
She evidently doesn't believe in Frank Gaffney's 'creeping Sharia' conspiracy enough to sign his stupid pledge.
At least not yet, anyway.
761 | Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:58:50am |
762 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:00:42am |
First row at the Democratic National Convention
I'm just sayin'...
763 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:01:16am |
re: #758 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Speaking of stamps...
Dan Rather, with his name in Windows default font, of course.
764 | lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:02:08am |
re: #739 NJDhockeyfan
There was a good reason that the Post Office held to the practice of using only deceased persons on stamps. But I guess the need for more revenues are forcing the company to change its policies.
Heck, while they're at it, they could strike a deal with those aforementioned actors/actresses/musicians to carry a line of stamps - with appropriate licensing revenues for branding the stamps.
765 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:02:18am |
re: #739 NJDhockeyfan
I eagerly await all the wingnut head explosions when Barack Obama's name starts showing up on the stamp request lists. The entertainment value alone would be priceless.
766 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:04:15am |
re: #765 Lidane
I eagerly await all the wingnut head explosions when Barack Obama's name starts showing up on the stamp request lists. The entertainment value alone would be priceless.
I'd like to nominate myself.
Image: RevanDLotS.JPG
767 | albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:05:19am |
re: #765 Lidane
I eagerly await all the wingnut head explosions when Barack Obama's name starts showing up on the stamp request lists. The entertainment value alone would be priceless.
BO is way too awesome for a stamp....he deserves his own Mt Barakmore
768 | allegro Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:07:10am |
re: #746 Alouette
That's so cool! Can I get my grandkids their own stamps? Well, at least the U.S. ones, the Canadians and the Israelis are out of luck.
Funny you should ask. I was just looking at this website that offers custom photo stamps.
769 | Lidane Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:07:26am |
re: #767 albusteve
Personally, I want to see Al Gore on a stamp, just to get people whining about the environmental waste of printing up all those stamps. That will be a hoot.
770 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:07:56am |
re: #768 allegro
Funny you should ask. I was just looking at this website that offers custom photo stamps.
I just got a wedding invitation with the couple as their own stamp.
771 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:08:21am |
re: #764 lawhawk
Have you seen the postal union's ad about why the post office is losing money?
Funny... they don't mention fewer letters being mailed in the whole thing. It's all because of the congressional requirements. Other than that? The postal service made 611 million dollars last year.
772 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:08:29am |
re: #767 albusteve
BO is way too awesome for a stamp...he deserves his own Mt Barakmore
Heh, we had to deal with the GOP naming and renaming every damned thing after Reagan.
Tis only fair.
:P
773 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:09:19am |
re: #768 allegro
Can they use a whole sheet for me? Kind of like a jigsaw puzzle?
774 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:10:10am |
re: #762 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
First row at the Democratic National Convention
I'm just sayin'...
I'll gladly take those three over the 3 guys dressed like Minutemen that showed up at the Orlando debate.
I'm just sayin'...
775 | albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:11:14am |
re: #772 Varek Raith
Heh, we had to deal with the GOP naming and renaming every damned thing after Reagan.
Tis only fair.
:P
St Louis will change it's name to St Barak when he retires
776 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:11:44am |
re: #775 albusteve
St Louis will change it's name to St Barak when he retires
Bastards.
I was promised it would be named after ME!
777 | allegro Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:13:23am |
re: #770 EmmmieG
I just got a wedding invitation with the couple as their own stamp.
I think that would be a cool way to send baby announcements. The envelope would be a great keepsake and addition to the baby book.
778 | Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:14:09am |
re: #769 Lidane
Personally, I want to see Al Gore on a stamp, just to get people whining about the environmental waste of printing up all those stamps. That will be a hoot.
I could not help but think a Monica Lewinsky stamp would be a great comedic possibility...
779 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:14:12am |
re: #776 Varek Raith
Bastards.
I was promised it would be named after ME!
the Undead can become Saints?
780 | Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:14:41am |
781 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:15:39am |
783 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:16:03am |
re: #774 makeitstop
Of course you would. Hippie.
784 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:21:17am |
785 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:22:33am |
re: #737 CuriousLurker
The men are probably just trying not to overstep any bounds (if they're American). If they're foreign, yeah, it could be discomfort.
As for the women seeming cold, please understand that a lot of it may be defensiveness. This is especially true if they're wearing hijab as they've probably dealt with all sorts of hostility (the hijab making them easily identifiable targets).
Glad to hear that you have at least some dealings with Muslims and base your opinions on those rather than the scare stuff. ;)
Another thought CL . .
Unless one is wearing the signs of one's religion --clothing, jewelry etc. other people don't know what you believe.
I learned I can't assume anything about most people. It's especially hard with people from Pakistan or India. It seems their native garb and all are the same, their accents are the same (to me anyway) and they can be most any religion.
Better not to make assumptions . . . .IMHO.
786 | b_sharp Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:24:29am |
re: #774 makeitstop
I'll gladly take those three over the 3 guys dressed like Minutemen that showed up at the Orlando debate.
I'm just sayin'...
There is nothing wrong with meditation. I've used it to clear my mind and to reduce anxiety attacks. It's just a way of developing mental discipline.
And those three young ladies are hot!
787 | makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:25:13am |
788 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:27:15am |
re: #786 b_sharp
There is nothing wrong with meditation. I've used it to clear my mind and to reduce anxiety attacks. It's just a way of developing mental discipline.
And those three young ladies are hot!
I've experienced the benefits of meditation as well.
It can be used as a way of developing mental discipline. I've met people who use it as an escape as well.