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Pamela Geller Associate John Jay Openly Calls for Mass Murder

AFDI founding member advocates murdering politicians, journalists, Muslims, and liberals
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One of the groups founded by anti-Muslim demagogues Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer is called the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI), an “umbrella” group that provides cover for their other activities and funding for their anti-Muslim advertisements.

John Jay, one of the founding members of the board of AFDI and a very frequent commenter at Pamela Geller’s website, has posted a manifesto very reminiscent of Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik’s — a deranged, violent fantasy of mass murder: summer patriot, winter soldier: start the revolution …

start the revolution …

first things first.—

1.)take out the talking head media, and burn the new york times, the los angeles times and the washington post to the ground.  draw and quarter the media, and shoot their remains from canons in the four directions of the prevailing winds.

rinse, lather, repeat as needed.

2.)take out all the incumbent leadership of both parties in the congress, and every self avowed socialist and communist in congress.  give them all proper muslim burials at sea, just like osama bin laden.

eliminate pensions for congressional service.  rinse, lather, repeat as needed.

3.)eliminate the faculty senates at harvard, yale, columbia, nyu and university of california at santa barbara.  boil bill ayers, bernie dorhn and angela davis in canola oil, and feed their remains to the fishes.

“send all of the muslim immigrants back to their native countries, in boxes or tourist, their choice”— John Jaythey are all physical cowards.  they should fall into line pretty quickly.  repeat every ten years as a prophylactic, on general principle.  

and, 

4.)now that the “arab spring” has brought enlightenment to the middle east, send all of the muslim immigrants back to their native countries, in boxes or tourist, their choice.

burn all the mosques.  period.

just sayin’.

john jay @ 09.26.2011

p.s.  burn the editors and contributors to “the daily kos” at the stake.  i’ll think of something suitable for hilary clinton.  bill, he has to room with jimmy carter in a clapped out pickup & camper on the edge of a southern peanut field, somewhere in arkansas: that’s about as close to a living hell as i can imagine for him.

and, throw all the living governors of new york, california, ohio, illinois, washington, florida and massachusetts into the fiery pits, from which there is no escape.  sorry, jeb.  but, i think that you were a skull & bones internationalist, too, weren’t you?

A stunning level of hatred and incitement, even for these crazed bigots. Let’s hope the authorities are keeping as close an eye on this lunatic as they are on radical Muslims.

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128 comments

1 laZardo  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:36:58pm

The authorities are deliberately creating these flamethrowing posts to slander and smear our efforts!

Yeah, totally calling it.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:36:58pm

How do we know John Jay is not you or Killgore, Charles?

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:37:11pm

John Jay, the founding father, just called.

He wants his good name back.

4 albusteve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:37:51pm

prepare to don Hazmat suits

5 Kragar  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:38:00pm

Obviously a lone wolf, with no ties to and not influenced at all by anyone...

Does he have a manifesto yet?

6 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:38:04pm

John Jay is a liberal plant!

7 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:38:30pm

His writings make Geller look relatively hinged and that is saying something. What a little baby though. Waah people are doing things I don't like so I threaten them like a pussy keyboard warrior. Pathetic.

8 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:38:46pm

re: #6 BongCrodny

Everyone is a Moby these days. Does anyone actually post at those sites anymore?

/

9 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:39:22pm

It's just satire--you can tell because he's using 'satire' capitalization.

10 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:39:30pm

John Jay is a whiny little shit of a man.

11 albusteve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:39:33pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously a lone wolf, with no ties to and not influenced at all by anyone...

Does he have a manifesto yet?

Spence is on it

12 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:40:03pm

You can't rinse and then lather. Shampoo does not work that way!

13 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:40:59pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously a lone wolf, with no ties to and not influenced at all by anyone...

Does he have a manifesto yet?

That post looks like a rough draft...of what Anders wrote.

John Jay:

they are all physical cowards.

The dumb internet confederate ought to know plenty about "physical cowards".

14 Kragar  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:40:59pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

You can't rinse and then lather. Shampoo does not work that way!

[Video]

OPPRESSOR!

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:41:44pm

AAAAARRGGGGHHHHH!

John Jay was a great man who served his country well.

It's like there's a power-hungry grifter with the name George Washington running around.

(As opposed to, say, George Washington Carver.)

16 laZardo  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:42:19pm

re: #8 ArchangelMichael

Everyone is a Moby these days. Does anyone actually post at those sites anymore?

/

Well, if we are all Charles then that doesn't leave anyone to be Spartacus.

17 engineer cat  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:42:35pm

rinse, lather, repeat as needed

or mostly just lather...

with some occasional frothing

18 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:42:55pm

Sounds exactly like Anders Brevik's manifesto.

19 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:43:10pm

re: #16 laZardo

Well, if we are all Charles then that doesn't leave anyone to be Spartacus.

Thought I was supposed to be 'V'. this week.

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:43:51pm
...has posted a manifesto very reminiscent of Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik’s

But much, much shorter. One thing to be thankful for.

21 laZardo  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:44:54pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Sounds exactly like Anders Brevik's manifesto.

The CliffNotes edition, because fuck if I'm gonna go through 1200 pages.

//

22 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:45:36pm

Exhibit A for putting the Tea Partiers on a watch list.

My anger may have gone back down to pre-7/22 levels, but I still think that many of the Tea Partiers are a national security threat. Watch-list them.

And arrest this guy for incitement and sedition.

23 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:46:25pm

re: #21 laZardo

The CliffNotes edition, because fuck if I'm gonna go through 1200 pages.

//

Easy: It's basically kill and burn everything and everyone I don't like. In otherwords if I don't get my oompa loompa I am going to kill "socialists." He seems to hate certain people on teh right as much as the left.

24 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:48:22pm

somebody needs more fiber

25 albusteve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:48:46pm

re: #22 ProLifeLiberal

Exhibit A for putting the Tea Partiers on a watch list.

My anger may have gone back down to pre-7/22 levels, but I still think that many of the Tea Partiers are a national security threat. Watch-list them.

And arrest this guy for incitement and sedition.

which Tea Partiers would that be?..threatening to kill people transcends a party

26 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:50:57pm

re: #25 albusteve

which Tea Partiers would that be?..threatening to kill people transcends a party

Guy is at least a fan: [Link: wintersoldier2008.typepad.com...]

27 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:51:09pm

re: #25 albusteve

which Tea Partiers would that be?..threatening to kill people transcends a party

I was going to use "transcends" also. And "pre-dates".

28 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:51:28pm

re: #25 albusteve

To be blunt: All of them. The actions their compatriots, both in the US (Plane in Austin, various police shootings) and elsewhere (The July 22nd attack in Norway) lead me to believe that they are a national security threat.

29 jaunte  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:51:35pm

Jay seems to be a big fan of do-it-yourself noise suppressor technology.

30 albusteve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:53:25pm

re: #28 ProLifeLiberal

To be blunt: All of them. The actions their compatriots, both in the US (Plane in Austin, various police shootings) and elsewhere (The July 22nd attack in Norway) lead me to believe that they are a national security threat.

but all republican, conservatives and TP's are not calling for murder...most just sit on their as while the world goes by....demonizing whole groups is very Gellerlike

31 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:55:23pm

re: #28 ProLifeLiberal

To be blunt: All of them. The actions their compatriots, both in the US (Plane in Austin, various police shootings) and elsewhere (The July 22nd attack in Norway) lead me to believe that they are a national security threat.

I don't like the TP anymore than you do man but going after all of them would make us no matter than the idiots like Geller and her stupid friend here who want to act like all Muslims are terrorists and to have that be policy. Their ideology sucks to high heaven but they're all not acting like this guy.

32 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:56:03pm

you watch the tea party movement because that is the group they belong to and its the group they are going to try and influence the most.

33 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:57:17pm

re: #30 albusteve

And yet, in the past several years, there have been multiple incidents, including a guy flying a plane into an IRS building, multiple shootouts with police, and attempted attacks on the Tides Foundation, among other places.

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Then what exactly? There will be a repeat of the OKC Bombing or the July 22nd Attack if something isn't done.

34 erik_t  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:58:45pm

BUT HE HATES THE GOVERNORS OF OHIO AND FLORIDA CLEARLY HE SLIPPED UP AND IS ACTUALLY A LEFT-WING MOONBAT CRAZY

35 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:59:14pm

re: #33 ProLifeLiberal

And yet, in the past several years, there have been multiple incidents, including a guy flying a plane into an IRS building, multiple shootouts with police, and attempted attacks on the Tides Foundation, among other places.

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Then what exactly? There will be a repeat of the OKC Bombing or the July 22nd Attack if something isn't done.

I don't know. I don't like the idea. of putting an entire group on a watchlist. I am not saying we should ignore their rhetoric but we should be focused on individuals. This guy clearly needs to be watched.

36 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:59:20pm
update: oh, yes. hello, little green footballs readers. end update.

[Link: wintersoldier2008.typepad.com...] . please read, lizards.

That's from the middle of this page, in a post that starts like this:

should conservatives disavow a single word or concept of their writing in light of anders breivik's actions in norway? the answer is a simple "no," quietly but emphatically stated.

Dated 8-1-11

37 Fenris  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:03:38pm

The comments for the manifesto are equally fascinating:

Thoroughly hosing the Obama administration with industrial strength DDT prior to deportation to the Mao-worshipping dictatorship of it's choice, is a must.

Here's one from John Jay himself, assuming no one else is using his name:

better to ship [liberals] to a plant in tupelo, mississippi, where they can be rendered into a good serviceable fuel oil, like the chicken & turkey beaks, legs, guts and feathers from the local tyson plants.

to be used in internal combustion engines. that's kinda poetic, to my mind.

38 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:03:38pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Jerusalem Post said something similar about the attacks as this guy did.

That didn't help relations between Norway and Israel, to put it mildly.

39 Gus  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:03:43pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

That's from the middle of this page, in a post that starts like this:

Dated 8-1-11

Dude's a psycho.

40 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:04:21pm

re: #37 fenrisdesigns

I think there may be enough writings here to charge him with Incitement and Sedition.

41 albusteve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:04:53pm

re: #39 Gus 802

Dude's a psycho.

full blown...probably an Eagles fan too

42 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:05:36pm

re: #41 albusteve

Hey, at least they don't like the Cubs!

43 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:06:00pm

re: #38 ProLifeLiberal

Jerusalem Post said something similar about the attacks as this guy did.

That didn't help relations between Norway and Israel, to put it mildly.

How does a private newspaper's opinion influence relations between states?

44 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:06:39pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

I don't know. I don't like the idea. of putting an entire group on a watchlist. I am not saying we should ignore their rhetoric but we should be focused on individuals. This guy clearly needs to be watched.

You mean entire groups such as the KKK or the Weather Underground?

Here's a simple reality. If the leaders, formal and informal, of a group espouse violence, crime, or sedition, then it really doesn't matter that not all of them will do it. Some will. Since there's really no good test for predicting which of the members are "some", all must be treated as possible.

45 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:06:55pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Guy is a fan of looooooooooooooooooong ramblings, kinda like Fjordman. Here is one on LGF: [Link: wintersoldier2008.typepad.com...]

46 albusteve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:07:07pm

re: #42 ProLifeLiberal

Hey, at least they don't like the Cubs!

only a godless, unAmerican commie doesn't like the Cuds

47 engineer cat  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:07:33pm

John Jay, one of the founding members of the board of AFDI

that's funny - from the general tone of his "essay" i would have thought more like a 14 year old in need of counseling

48 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:07:45pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

Because Norway was already bitter about the Lillehammer Affair back in 1973. This just adds more fuel to the fire.

49 erik_t  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:08:15pm

re: #47 engineer dog
I just assumed he was drunk.

50 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:08:49pm
51 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:08:56pm

re: #47 engineer dog

John Jay, one of the founding members of the board of AFDI

that's funny - from the general tone of his "essay" i would have thought more like a 14 year old in need of counseling

That too.

52 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:09:05pm

What do you want to bet this guy read The Turner Diaries and found it inspirational.

53 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:09:38pm

re: #48 ProLifeLiberal

Because Norway was already bitter about the Lillehammer Affair back in 1973. This just adds more fuel to the fire.

Lillehammer was an official fuckup. What do private opinions have to do with anything?

54 albusteve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:09:57pm

re: #44 kirkspencer

You mean entire groups such as the KKK or the Weather Underground?

Here's a simple reality. If the leaders, formal and informal, of a group espouse violence, crime, or sedition, then it really doesn't matter that not all of them will do it. Some will. Since there's really no good test for predicting which of the members are "some", all must be treated as possible.

that's laughable...give the feds a reason exercise police state authority?....no thanks

55 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:10:10pm

re: #52 aagcobb

What do you want to bet this guy read The Turner Diaries and found it inspirational.

I'm not taking that bet!

56 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:11:11pm

re: #50 000G

A treasure trove…

Jesus. He doesn't obsess much, does he?

57 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:11:12pm

re: #54 albusteve

that's laughable...give the feds a reason exercise police state authority?...no thanks

[shrug] Laughable or not it's a reality; it's already done.

58 jaunte  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:11:26pm

re: #50 000G

A treasure trove…

He sure does talk a lot.

59 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:11:27pm

re: #53 Sergey Romanov

I was reading the responses to the articles on various place reporting the article to Norwegians.

The Norwegians I saw were massively pissed. Maybe it doesn't change Governmental relations, but it did no favors among the people.

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:12:15pm

re: #59 ProLifeLiberal

I don't think most Norwegians ever heard of that editorial.

61 Gus  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:15:14pm

re: #49 erik_t

I just assumed he was drunk.

Yet another graduate of the University of Jack Daniels.

62 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:15:36pm

re: #44 kirkspencer

You mean entire groups such as the KKK or the Weather Underground?

Here's a simple reality. If the leaders, formal and informal, of a group espouse violence, crime, or sedition, then it really doesn't matter that not all of them will do it. Some will. Since there's really no good test for predicting which of the members are "some", all must be treated as possible.

I was actually thinking of left wing groups who have been profiled in the past. Believe me I have a big problem with the TP and a lot of their rhetoric but I haven't seen their leaders say stuff like this guy has. They shouldn't be ignored by any stretch but I don't think they're terrorists like the KKK and Weather Underground. Jerks, nutcases, etc yes but terrorists I don't see it.

63 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:15:49pm

re: #60 Sergey Romanov

Fair point. I was massively pissed when I heard of that article.

I remember a guy on here used to post articles from the guy who wrote that bile. Was that guy banned?

64 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:20:48pm

Heard an interesting report on NPR yesterday about internet trolls. People have studied Trolling and found that on sites that require email signing linked to things like Facebook, the vitrol is significantly less, obviously because people can be traced. Trolling is at its most violent when once off accounts can be used. But of most interest to me was that where pseudonymic sign offs were allowed but the site required someone to use the same name, the discourse was much more civil. They posited that people actually become fond of their by-lines on such sites and their on-line persona becomes a real part of them and its reputation becomes something of value. Reminded me of this site.

65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:22:04pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I was actually thinking of left wing groups who have been profiled in the past. Believe me I have a big problem with the TP and a lot of their rhetoric but I haven't seen their leaders say stuff like this guy has. They shouldn't be ignored by any stretch but I don't think they're terrorists like the KKK and Weather Underground. Jerks, nutcases, etc yes but terrorists I don't see it.

And even Weather Underground=KKK is MBF, really. The WU were a bunch of aholes and yes, domestic terrorists. But the KKK dates back to 100 years prior to the WU, and back to at least 100 years ago, in its current form. They are much more widespread and diversified, and way more violent than the WU.

Plus, their ideas about white supremacy have been far more articulated in the mainstream (and in our laws) than anything the WU was shrieking about. We've never had presidents endorsing the WU.

66 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:22:43pm

Wow - going back to some of his first posts on that blog you see him begging the pope to start a new crusade & sanction him as a holy warrior....

hey, if the pope were infallible in the crusades, he's infallible now.

dust off the old encyclicals, prod the old bulls, and let us get to the task of defending western civilization and christendom. yes, i am aware of the dangers of religious and "sectarian" passions loosed, and it is hard to get the dogs of war back into the kennels & on their leashes, all nicely held in restraint w/ the choke chains and the muzzled.

i am also aware of the danger of lying on your back while your "brother" pokes you in the belly w/ a bayonet and saws off your head with a dull knife.

"enough! enough! enough!" the west, the judeo-christian ethos has taken enough, and it is time that our religious leaders authorize us to strike back in self defense, and do whatever is necessary to quiet this unrelenting assault upon us. the pope, the patriarch, that idiot arch bishop and the rest of the quivering poopies are worried about a 40 years war?

well, how damned long has it been since leon klinghoffer went off the decks of the achille lauro? how many times does adam of baghdad have to die before the pope and the poopies get some spine?

all i am asking, actually demanding of this silly bunch of sissies, is that they confer religious sanction upon those of us who will defend the faith. who will defend our faith in g_d and in christ. the papal bulls and encyclicals that launched the crusades are still in the vatican libraries, and just as serviceable as ever, and it is time to revitalize them, and to let the faithful defend truth and faith.

67 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:25:30pm

re: #66 Thanos

Wow - going back to some of his first posts on that blog you see him begging the pope to start a new crusade & sanction him as a holy warrior...

The joke is that he wasn't Catholic. Popes launched crusades against heretics.

68 albusteve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:25:58pm

re: #66 Thanos

Wow - going back to some of his first posts on that blog you see him begging the pope to start a new crusade & sanction him as a holy warrior...

good stuff...Hollywood quality even
Hitleresque

69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:26:08pm

re: #66 Thanos

LOL. Totally ignorant of what the papal infallibility means.

70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:31:02pm

re: #66 Thanos

e_e

Desktop crusaders, internet confederates. smh

71 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:31:54pm

re: #70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

e_e

Desktop crusaders, internet confederates. smh

Komputerkampf.

72 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:32:13pm

re: #45 000G

So He begins by stating Charles Johnson's writing is "of little consequence", "bland" and "pedestrian" but then goes on to write a novella about him. OK.

73 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:32:31pm

re: #33 ProLifeLiberal

For better or worse we have no sedition prosecutions, and (hopefully, not so sure lately with FISA) there must me more probable cause than just belonging to a group. We know where that road goes. McCarthy hearings anyone? "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Tea Party?" "We have testimony you attended rallies at blah blah..."

74 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:33:02pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Komputerkampf.

+++++

75 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:33:29pm

re: #34 erik_t

[...and, throw all the living governors of new york, california, ohio, illinois, washington, florida and massachusetts into the fiery pits, from which there is no escape. sorry, jeb. but, i think that you were a skull & bones internationalist, too, weren’t you?[...]

Heh, he has Jeb Bush attending Yale. Jeb Bush went to Texas.

76 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:34:57pm

re: #73 Rightwingconspirator

Yeah, you're example with McCarthyism is a good point.

I do feel that a some subset of the Tea Party is a threat though. I guess I would be taking my concept a few steps too far.

77 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:36:35pm

re: #76 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, you're example with McCarthyism is a good point.

I do feel that a some subset of the Tea Party is a threat though. I guess I would be taking my concept a few steps too far.

That's kinda what I was getting at. Believe man, I hear your frustration with the TP and I am sick of the government being made out to be this demon by these dolts.

78 yoshicastmaster  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:36:41pm

wow- it reads like thought control porn!

79 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:36:43pm

I'm too lazy to look it up: does this neo-Nazi rant cross the Brandenburg v. Ohio threshold or not?

80 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:36:55pm

re: #73 Rightwingconspirator

For better or worse we have no sedition prosecutions, and (hopefully, not so sure lately with FISA) there must me more probable cause than just belonging to a group. We know where that road goes. McCarthy hearings anyone? "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Tea Party?" "We have testimony you attended rallies at blah blah..."

I dunno. Seems like a highly unlikely scenario. Right-wing is prone to getting a pass in the U.S. Remember this?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

81 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:37:08pm

re: #64 Big Steve

Heard an interesting report on NPR yesterday about internet trolls. People have studied Trolling and found that on sites that require email signing linked to things like Facebook, the vitrol is significantly less, obviously because people can be traced.

That's what I always figured would be the case, but I've seen some amazingly idiotic Facebook comments with real names, faces, and even workplaces attached. So sites with Facebook comments might be an especially useful way to determine who has common sense and impulse control, and who most definitely does not.

82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:39:12pm

re: #79 Sergey Romanov

I'm too lazy to look it up: does this neo-Nazi rant cross the Brandenburg v. Ohio threshold or not?

It doesn't.

Without an "imminent threat", it does not cross the line. Not much does, online or off.

83 laZardo  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:39:43pm

re: #81 publicityStunted

That's what I always figured would be the case, but I've seen some amazingly idiotic Facebook comments with real names, faces, and even workplaces attached. So sites with Facebook comments might be an especially useful way to determine who has common sense and impulse control, and who most definitely does not.

You gotta love them for their honesty. ;D

84 andres  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:40:58pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

But much, much shorter. One thing to be thankful for.

And yet, way too long for me to read without shivering.

85 albusteve  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:43:57pm

re: #83 laZardo

You gotta love them for their honesty. ;D

same people that can't point to Fla on a map

86 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:44:33pm

re: #76 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, you're example with McCarthyism is a good point.

I do feel that a some subset of the Tea Party is a threat though. I guess I would be taking my concept a few steps too far.

You are right, just as the rare but all too real commie spies were a threat. Sorting out the threatening extremist from the ordinary protester is the trick.

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:44:41pm

re: #82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Thanks, OC.

88 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:45:18pm

re: #80 000G

You're right - in the real world, it is extremely unlikely. See also the post on Weather Underground vs KKK and who's been able to get away with what, for far longer.

But as much as I detest the tea party, I don't want to see them witchhunted, namely because their kind are the very types advocating a reinstatement to the McCarthy era.

89 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:46:34pm

re: #80 000G

I dunno. Seems like a highly unlikely scenario. Right-wing is prone to getting a pass in the U.S. Remember this?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Looks like that now. But we should admit the worm turns. For example if a TP nut job actually killed the President in some mass casualty manner I shudder to think how things would go then.

90 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:47:37pm

re: #88 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You're right - in the real world, it is extremely unlikely. See also the post on Weather Underground vs KKK and who's been able to get away with what, for far longer.

But as much as I detest the tea party, I don't want to see them witchhunted, namely because their kind are the very types advocating a reinstatement to the McCarthy era.

QFT

91 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:48:45pm

re: #88 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You're right - in the real world, it is extremely unlikely. See also the post on Weather Underground vs KKK and who's been able to get away with what, for far longer.

But as much as I detest the tea party, I don't want to see them witchhunted, namely because their kind are the very types advocating a reinstatement to the McCarthy era.

This. I detest them too but registering and harassing people simply because of ideology is undemocratic.

92 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:50:12pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

Looks like that now. But we should admit the worm turns. For example if a TP nut job actually killed the President in some mass casualty manner I shudder to think how things would go then.

Just remember what happened to the anarchist movement in the United States after the assassination of William McKinley.

93 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:50:42pm

A copy:

[Link: www.webcitation.org...]

94 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:51:17pm

re: #93 Sergey Romanov

A copy:

[Link: www.webcitation.org...]

How much does WebCite actually achieve considering you can opt-out?

95 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:51:28pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

You are right, just as the rare but all too real commie spies were a threat.

That word should really be in quotes.

Sorting out the threatening extremist from the ordinary protester is the trick.

This is why the Smith Act was ruled unconstitutional and why the Great Sedition Trials of some of the US's most egregious, bald-faced fascists didn't work.

I expect the tea party wants things like the Smith Act reinstated. For their own sake, I don't recommend it. Especially dipshits like Orly Taitz.

96 dragonfire1981  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:52:17pm

Some conservatives I just don't get.

On the one hand they are against x-rated and R rated movies.

On the other hand they have some of the most graphically violent fantasies you could imagine.

Oh and I can guess how quickly they'd pounce if someone on the "other side" made a list like this:

"Throw all Tea Partiers to the bottom of the grand canyon."

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:52:22pm

re: #94 000G

How can a typepad user opt-out? And are the already-saved pages affected?

98 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:53:33pm

re: #97 Sergey Romanov

Not sure. Just food for thought.

99 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:53:46pm

re: #96 dragonfire1981

Some conservatives I just don't get.

On the one hand they are against x-rated and R rated movies.

On the other hand they have some of the most graphically violent fantasies you could imagine.

Oh and I can guess how quickly they'd pounce if someone on the "other side" made a list like this:

"Throw all Tea Partiers to the bottom of the grand canyon."

I don't either. The parents I never got growing up were the parents that were okay with their kids seeing violence but didn't want them seeing any boobs. My parents were liberal on both counts but I know my DAd would have rathered me and my brothers see a beautiful naked woman over a brutal dismemberment.

100 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:54:33pm

re: #98 000G

Well, the answer to the last question should answer most of yours.

101 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:54:46pm

When Obama gets re-elected, I fear alot of these nutjobs are gonna come crawling out of their hole ready for blood. I think alot of them are keeping their powder dry waiting for a turn in the election. If they don't get it, watch out.

102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:55:25pm

re: #96 dragonfire1981

Some conservatives I just don't get.

On the one hand they are against x-rated and R rated movies.

On the other hand they have some of the most graphically violent fantasies you could imagine.

Oh and I can guess how quickly they'd pounce if someone on the "other side" made a list like this:

"Throw all Tea Partiers to the bottom of the grand canyon."

They get to call for civil war when someone calls them "gay", yet shriek to high heaven about union seiu acorn thugs when Jimmy Hoffa Jr talks about voting. e_e

They really need to be forced to state their goals every time they open their dumb traps: they want to go back to government-issued special rights for themselves, and government-issued second class citizenship for all others.

103 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:56:10pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

I don't either. The parents I never got growing up were the parents that were okay with their kids seeing violence but didn't want them seeing any boobs. My parents were liberal on both counts but I know my DAd would have rathered me and my brothers see a beautiful naked woman over a brutal dismemberment.

My parents were against both, and my mom possessed that magical ability to walk into the room at the exact wrong moment for any show.

104 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:56:11pm

re: #33 ProLifeLiberal

And yet, in the past several years, there have been multiple incidents, including a guy flying a plane into an IRS building, multiple shootouts with police, and attempted attacks on the Tides Foundation, among other places.

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Then what exactly? There will be a repeat of the OKC Bombing or the July 22nd Attack if something isn't done.

Arrest Mr. Jay for inciting to arson? Sounds to me like he did just that, along with some other stuff. But that will do for starters.

105 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:57:24pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

When Obama gets re-elected, I fear alot of these nutjobs are gonna come crawling out of their hole ready for blood. I think alot of them are keeping their powder dry waiting for a turn in the election. If they don't get it, watch out.

Yes, but it will result in localized actions like OK City and Ruby Ridge. The nutcase busted with 4100 lbs of ANFO was getting his McVeigh on a little early.

106 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:58:11pm

re: #102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They get to call for civil war when someone calls them "gay", yet shriek to high heaven about union seiu acorn thugs when Jimmy Hoffa Jr talks about voting. e_e

They really need to be forced to state their goals every time they open their dumb traps: they want to go back to government-issued special rights for themselves, and government-issued second class citizenship for all others.

You know as do I that there's nothing more a bully hates than someone who tells that bully to go fuck himself. It was unbelivaible to me seeing a Tea Party leader whine about what Hoffa said. I was just amazed since the Tea Party has had numersous speakers say much worse stuff than Hoffa did but they wanted to feel like the big bad union man threatened them. Go figure. They're cowards.

107 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 1:59:28pm

re: #103 EmmmieG

My parents were against both, and my mom possessed that magical ability to walk into the room at the exact wrong moment for any show.

We haven't had HBO for 20 years because my wife walked in on the boys and "Porky's".

108 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:00:23pm

re: #80 000G

I dunno. Seems like a highly unlikely scenario. Right-wing is prone to getting a pass in the U.S. Remember this?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I could argue some instances where the left caught a break. But in either case we can take some pride in largely why this is an unlikely problem-We do have strong laws that prevent it happening easily. Even post FISA/Patriot act. We can celebrate the fact it's not easy for McCarthy to happen again.

Now if we can just get the FBI on board, as what ridiculous notions we see them training on for Muslims might also be (with differing details) what's being said about TP activists at FBI. Or environmental activists. Or just Green party members.

109 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:00:25pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

We haven't had HBO for 20 years because my wife walked in on the boys and "Porky's".

It's a gift God gives to Mothers. That, and the ability to find things.

110 erik_t  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:01:33pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

When Obama gets re-elected, I fear alot of these nutjobs are gonna come crawling out of their hole ready for blood. I think alot of them are keeping their powder dry waiting for a turn in the election. If they don't get it, watch out.

I worried about that for a while. I still do, but I'm slowly coming the conclusion that the vast majority of these clowns don't have it in them. All they can do is piss and moan about that one!!1 taking away their rightful lofty perch looking over the double-wide.

111 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:05:04pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

He he I was called to the principals office at Catholic school when they found out mom took me and my buddies to porkys at the drive in.

Quite the scandal. ;)

112 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:05:32pm

re: #108 Rightwingconspirator

I could argue some instances where the left caught a break.

Recently?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

113 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:05:45pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

When Obama gets re-elected, I fear alot of these nutjobs are gonna come crawling out of their hole ready for blood. I think alot of them are keeping their powder dry waiting for a turn in the election. If they don't get it, watch out.

Unreasonable fear. Nutjobs respect force, including the force of numbers. Part of the beauty of elections is that they are a rough and ready proxy for civil war: whoever wins the election has proved that he would win the war if it came to that. So it doesn't, mostly. Even those who care only for winning don't particularly care to lose again, and lose their life in the process. And if the election is close, even that is enough to cool enthusiasms. The fight might be close too, if it came to that. Hotheads might be glad to flip a coin and win or die, but they know they will not find many followers for that bet.

If Obama, and it's if not when, is reelected, they'll be subdued. Shellshocked, and subdued. Not for the duration, but in the immediate aftermath. Some will lose hope. Others will lose enthusiasm for the "cause".

If he loses, they'll discover quickly that the new administration is "barely better", and they'll resume their muttering. But who will listen? So either way, the problem fades.

114 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:09:56pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

He he I was called to the principals office at Catholic school when they found out mom took me and my buddies to porkys at the drive in.

Quite the scandal. ;)

Our Catholic school went to a 'special' schools showing of The Ten Commandments , where the kids all had to line up outside the back entry to the theater. Across the alley was the only burlesque house in Pittsburgh, featuring girls like Cancy Barr and Lillie St. Cyr. Two hundred kids with their noses pressed against the rear theater wall.

115 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:10:13pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

It's a gift God gives to Mothers. That, and the ability to find things.

My mother, rest her soul, had that gift. If I couldn't find something, I'd ask her where it was and she would always, always know.

I wish I had that. There are a few things around the house that I can't find for the life of me.

116 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:11:14pm

re: #115 makeitstop

My mother, rest her soul, had that gift. If I couldn't find something, I'd ask her where it was and she would always, always know.

I wish I had that. There are a few things around the house that I can't find for the life of me.

Actually, I'll tell you the secret: We're the ones who buy it and put it away. We wash it and put it away. We pick it up and put it away.

Not so mysterious.

117 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:11:57pm

re: #116 EmmmieG

Actually, I'll tell you the secret: We're the ones who buy it and put it away. We wash it and put it away. We pick it up and put it away.

Not so mysterious.

That's why I can't find anything - my wife does the putting away!
/

118 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:13:48pm

Maybe concern would be a better word. Either way, it's not unreasonable. The rhetoric from the right since Obama got elected has been mostly unhinged to say the least and not just from talking heads but from their politicians as well. Should rhetoric as from John Jays post be ignored or catalogued?

119 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 2:56:48pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

When Obama gets re-elected, I fear alot of these nutjobs are gonna come crawling out of their hole ready for blood. I think alot of them are keeping their powder dry waiting for a turn in the election. If they don't get it, watch out.

I'll be watching them on the news, having their asses handed to them by cops

120 Gus  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 3:05:00pm

Awesome. Look who showed up on Wall Street...

Image: 999x.jpg

NEW YORK, NY - SEPTEMBER 27: Over 700 hundred Continental and United pilots, joined by additional pilots from other Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) carriers, demonstrate in front of Wall Street on September 27, 2011 in New York City. The pilots want to draw attention to the lack of progress on negotiations of the pilots' joint collective bargaining agreement ahead of the one-year anniversary of the corporate merger close date of United and Continental airlines.

Occupy Wall Street baby!

121 Gus  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 3:06:17pm

More here.

Occupy Wall Street growing rapidly

Occupy Wall Street is experiencing a burst of rapid visibility and support. Several established groups are now getting involved...

122 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 3:07:38pm

Gus, whatcha doing down here, in the basement? ;)

123 Gus  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 3:08:43pm

re: #122 Sergey Romanov

Gus, whatcha doing down here, in the basement? ;)

Was trying to take a nap before. Got up and didn't want to go OT on the latest thread.

Going up!

124 docproto48  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 4:39:29pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

It's a gift God gives to Mothers. That, and the ability to find things.

My studies have shown that the "find it gene" is on the missing leg of the Y chromosome

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 7:26:25pm

re: #33 ProLifeLiberal

And yet, in the past several years, there have been multiple incidents, including a guy flying a plane into an IRS building, multiple shootouts with police, and attempted attacks on the Tides Foundation, among other places.

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Then what exactly? There will be a repeat of the OKC Bombing or the July 22nd Attack if something isn't done.

We watch, we learn, we prosecute illegal behavior to the fullest extent of the law, and we speak out against hate. There is nothing else we CAN do.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 7:31:00pm

re: #38 ProLifeLiberal

Jerusalem Post said something similar about the attacks as this guy did.

That didn't help relations between Norway and Israel, to put it mildly.

The JPost put up a mealy-mouthed apology about that. I wasn't impressed with it.

The original piece shocked the hell out of me. I no longer trust their editorial judgement on anything.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 7:34:11pm

re: #65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And even Weather Underground=KKK is MBF, really. The WU were a bunch of aholes and yes, domestic terrorists. But the KKK dates back to 100 years prior to the WU, and back to at least 100 years ago, in its current form. They are much more widespread and diversified, and way more violent than the WU.

Plus, their ideas about white supremacy have been far more articulated in the mainstream (and in our laws) than anything the WU was shrieking about. We've never had presidents endorsing the WU.

The Klan killed a HELL of a lot more people.

128 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:06:17pm

re: #118 Amory Blaine

Maybe concern would be a better word. Either way, it's not unreasonable. The rhetoric from the right since Obama got elected has been mostly unhinged to say the least and not just from talking heads but from their politicians as well. Should rhetoric as from John Jays post be ignored or catalogued?

Definitely the latter. Some of these cons are so fundamentally dishonest, they will try and convince you even a couple weeks later they said the opposite of what they actually did.

Can't be trusted, any farther than they can be thrown.


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