Swedish wunderkind Jimmy Walhsteen has a new album out, and here’s a great track titled “Halifaxation.” Some beautiful tones in this one, from Jimmy’s slotted Larrivée guitar.
Youtube VideoMore samples from this excellent album:
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:16:19pm |
*ahhhhh*
Fresh New Thread (FNT)
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Political Atheist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:20:16pm |
re: #1 ggt
*ahhh*
Fresh New Thread (FNT)
I typed mine in and then all 3 comments unfolded. Heh GMTA ggt!
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McSpiff Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:24:54pm |
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McSpiff Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:34:51pm |
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albusteve Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:46:56pm |
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McSpiff Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:53:39pm |
re: #12 albusteve
I knew that...I'm not dissin NS...my folks went up there and my dad loved the people...the rocks and water were so so I guess
Heh all good fun man. Gotta have the right water on the right rocks...
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:55:17pm |
So, my macbook seems to be running a bit slow.
Is there a cache or a defrag I need to pay attention to?
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zora Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:58:41pm |
[Link: www.thedaily.com...]
Sandusky lawyer impregnated a teen
Defense attorney Joe Amendola, 63, representing Sandusky in the sexual molestation case roiling Penn State and Joe Paterno’s legendary football program, impregnated a teenager and later married her, The Daily has learned.
According to documents filed with Centre County Courthouse, Amendola served as the attorney for Mary Iavasile’s emancipation petition on Sept. 3, 1996, just weeks before her 17th birthday.
The emancipation request said Mary graduated from high school in two years with a 3.69 grade point average and maintained a full-time job — but makes no mention of any special relationship between her and her lawyer.
he's going to be needing a new lawyer.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:00:20pm |
re: #15 zora
[Link: www.thedaily.com...]
Sandusky lawyer impregnated a teen
he's going to be needing a new lawyer.
After having a lawyer whose done that even Lionel Hutz would seem like a good choice by comparison!
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albusteve Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:01:33pm |
re: #15 zora
[Link: www.thedaily.com...]
Sandusky lawyer impregnated a teen
he's going to be needing a new lawyer.
worse by far...he's gonna miss the Heaven 5:05
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:02:13pm |
re: #14 ggt
So, my macbook seems to be running a bit slow.
Is there a cache or a defrag I need to pay attention to?
The mac itself or the browser? You can empty cache by Safari -> empty cache. You can also reset the browser under the same menu if that doesn't improve things.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:09:55pm |
re: #15 zora
[Link: www.thedaily.com...]
Sandusky lawyer impregnated a teen
he's going to be needing a new lawyer.
This situation is a snake pit.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:12:34pm |
re: #16 jamesfirecat
After having a lawyer whose done that even Lionel Hutz would seem like a good choice by comparison!
Lionel hutz: 'care for a belt of scotch?"
Marge "it's 8 in the morning!"
Lionel hutz: 'I haven't slept in three days." *swig*
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:12:57pm |
re: #18 goddamnedfrank
The mac itself or the browser? You can empty cache by Safari -> empty cache. You can also reset the browser under the same menu if that doesn't improve things.
I cleared the cache in Firefox.
Thanks!
We'll see how it works now.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:13:39pm |
No comments yet, but this Fox Nation thread will probably turn into a real hatefest:
[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:14:58pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:19:09pm |
re: #23 Charles
No comments yet, but this Fox Nation thread will probably turn into a real hatefest:
[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]
Given enough time, don't they wall turn into hatefests?
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Atlas Fails Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:19:34pm |
re: #23 Charles
No comments yet, but this Fox Nation thread will probably turn into a real hatefest:
[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]
Notice the "Quote Patrol" section next to the article:
Chelsea moves out, gets into the big world at 'NBC Nightly News' and 'Rock Center' for a while. Get good on television if you can. The jury's still out on that. They'll make a decision later. If she does well, 'Bam! It's on to elective office.' That's what this is." – Rush Limbaugh
Wow. And millions of people probably believe that.
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zora Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:20:08pm |
re: #23 Charles
the video ends just when he is about to explain why islam is not a religion. it must have been a doozy.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:20:58pm |
re: #23 Charles
Comment 1
I agree 100% If they renounce their faith publicaly then they are in the same danger as any of our soldiers If not then they have been PROVEN to be more likely to turn than even a stalin.
At least smart racists are better at hiding it.
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lawhawk Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:25:03pm |
re: #15 zora
He's needing a new lawyer, and that was the least of the reasons. That he allowed Sandusky to ever appear on Costas was as big a mistake as he could possibly make short of malpractice IMO.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:25:37pm |
re: #25 jamesfirecat
Given enough time, don't they wall turn into hatefests?
Wall hatefest.
Image: Desert.jpg
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zora Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:29:10pm |
[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]
there is a fox nation poll.
Herman Cain 50.07%
Newt Gingrich 43.71%
Mitt Romney 6.22%
they really don't like romney.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:29:34pm |
re: #31 zora
[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]
there is a fox nation poll.
Herman Cain 50.07%
Newt Gingrich 43.71%
Mitt Romney 6.22%
they really don't like romney.
He's the great white Nope.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:30:15pm |
re: #29 lawhawk
I was shocked when I heard that even happened.
Costas? He should have been on Chris Hansen.
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JAFO Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:30:28pm |
Now they're rolling.
Obama racist and cheif = Jew hater.
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zora Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:31:44pm |
re: #29 lawhawk
i agree. he let him give an interview where he admitted to showering with kids. wtf. maybe this guy is the lawyer he deserves.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:32:32pm |
re: #34 mracb
Now they're rolling.
How dare you say I hate mudslimes!?! Besides, everyone knows that all mudslimes (like our usurper in chief, Barry Soetoro Hussein Osama Obama) hate Jews!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:33:04pm |
re: #25 jamesfirecat
Given enough time, don't they wall turn into hatefests?
Pretty much any article you can comment on at a big news-site does.
Some are worse than others.
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albusteve Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:34:09pm |
re: #35 zora
i agree. he let him give an interview where he admitted to showering with kids. wtf. maybe this guy is the lawyer he deserves.
he's baked...his entire life, as he knows it, is gone forever...
his supporters can burn in hell too
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Atlas Fails Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:36:36pm |
re: #38 albusteve
he's baked...his entire life, as he knows it, is gone forever...
his supporters can burn in hell too
I don't think Sandusky has many supporters other than his lawyer (and apparently the bail judge). The mouth-breathing fanboys in my neck of the woods (most of whom didn't even go to PSU) are using most of their energy defending Paterno.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:39:50pm |
Since this is a music thread...
I've been catching up on some threads over on the Telecaster forum TDPRI, and this is a story for the ages. Every guitar player has heard stories about 'case queens' - vintage guitars that have ended up spending most of their lives sitting unplayed.
A guy comes on the Tele board and asks how much a guitar he inherited from his grandfather is worth. After some discussion with a few of the well-informed posters on the board, he takes it to be appraised.
It turns out that it's a 100% original, virtually unplayed, original-owner 1956 Fender Telecaster - which in itself is pretty amazing, but on top of that it's a custom finish which makes it even more valuable.
What a gorgeous guitar. That's one lucky guy - he could put a kid through college on what that guitar is worth. Gotta love it.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:41:16pm |
re: #38 albusteve
he's baked...his entire life, as he knows it, is gone forever...
his supporters can burn in hell too
I would have been more impressed by this as an answer. Obvious mental illness rather than pathetic defense that borders on complete cluelessness of the scale of the crime.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:41:47pm |
re: #39 Atlas Fails
I don't think Sandusky has many supporters other than his lawyer (and apparently the bail judge). The mouth-breathing fanboys in my neck of the woods (most of whom didn't even go to PSU) are using most of their energy defending Paterno.
If there's anybody out on the web defending Sandusky, I haven't seen them. Perhaps his family and some of the folks connected to his charity, but most I've viewed or talked to wish him consigned to the deepest, darkest, hottest circle of Hell possible.
Meanwhile, the level of stupid that is being displayed in the defense of "JoePa" is nauseating. One of the popular themes is that he's a "scapegoat" in all this, that he was just "following orders" and that it's the school who's entirely at fault. As though the man who was god of Penn State football, who ruled with an iron fist, had no control where Sandusky was involved.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:44:49pm |
On the subject of music- I'm listening to John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band right now, and I've gotta say, it gets better every time I hear it. Hard to believe it's the same guy who sang "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Eight Days A Week."
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:46:50pm |
re: #42 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If there's anybody out on the web defending Sandusky, I haven't seen them. Perhaps his family and some of the folks connected to his charity, but most I've viewed or talked to wish him consigned to the deepest, darkest, hottest circle of Hell possible.
Meanwhile, the level of stupid that is being displayed in the defense of "JoePa" is nauseating. One of the popular themes is that he's a "scapegoat" in all this, that he was just "following orders" and that it's the school who's entirely at fault. As though the man who was god of Penn State football, who ruled with an iron fist, had no control where Sandusky was involved.
I heard the defense last night that it was the state of Pennsylvania's fault for not catching Sandusky in the late 90s - so JoePa is the fall-guy now.
:p
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zora Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:47:39pm |
re: #38 albusteve
his gig is up. also, people want his autobiography removed from amazon. the unfortunate title is "touched: the jerry sandusky story".
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
from what i have read of this case, it appears that he spent up to 15 years of his life preying on children in his charity, second mile. he should spend the rest of his life in a cage.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:48:16pm |
re: #43 Atlas Fails
On the subject of music- I'm listening to John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band right now, and I've gotta say, it gets better every time I hear it. Hard to believe it's the same guy who sang "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Eight Days A Week."
That album scared me the first time I listened to it. He went into his closet, dragged out every skeleton he had and wrote songs about them. Talk about catharsis. It was unlike anything I ever heard.
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TedStriker Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:50:33pm |
re: #43 Atlas Fails
On the subject of music- I'm listening to John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band right now, and I've gotta say, it gets better every time I hear it. Hard to believe it's the same guy who sang "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Eight Days A Week."
All of the Beatles evolved from those early days onward. We can hear that progress on every album they made until they busted up, the evolution continuing through all of their solo careers.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:51:17pm |
re: #42 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If there's anybody out on the web defending Sandusky, I haven't seen them. Perhaps his family and some of the folks connected to his charity, but most I've viewed or talked to wish him consigned to the deepest, darkest, hottest circle of Hell possible.
Meanwhile, the level of stupid that is being displayed in the defense of "JoePa" is nauseating. One of the popular themes is that he's a "scapegoat" in all this, that he was just "following orders" and that it's the school who's entirely at fault. As though the man who was god of Penn State football, who ruled with an iron fist, had no control where Sandusky was involved.
It's the really ugly side of hero worship.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:53:40pm |
Who the Hell takes Showers with children?
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:55:08pm |
This kind of activity by members of our highest court undercuts any claim of impartiality in the health care litigation by the justices involved. Worse yet, it clearly violates the Code of Conduct for U.S. Judges, a set of ethical standards the Supreme Court helps enforce on lower federal courts but has refused to impose on itself.
The Code warns judges to abstain from speaking or serving as the guest of honor at any fundraising event.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:56:28pm |
re: #44 oaktree
I heard the defense last night that it was the state of Pennsylvania's fault for not catching Sandusky in the late 90s - so JoePa is the fall-guy now.
:p
On the Today's Show yesterday (I think), they had a taped interview with a "Penn State sports historian" (who says there aren't jobs in this economy?) in a segment on Sandusky. The "historian" was apparently a former friend of Sandusky's, and the interviewer asked him what he thought of him now. His answer was somewhere along the lines of "I can't say on TV what I'd do to him blah blah blah." When asked why, the guy teared up and croaked "Because he ruined Penn State!" Not because he, you know, raped and molested an undetermined number of children over the years, but because he made the guy's favorite football team look bad.
That asshole needs a serious look in the mirror.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:56:35pm |
re: #23 Charles
No comments yet, but this Fox Nation thread will probably turn into a real hatefest:
[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]
Who's on first 23 minutes ago
When I think of d e athto our enemies, I think of mooslims, and liberals.
Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.........
11 people liked this.
Here's one.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:59:31pm |
re: #47 talon_262
All of the Beatles evolved from those early days onward. We can hear that progress on every album they made until they busted up, the evolution continuing through all of their solo careers.
True, but I must confess, I love early Beatles music, especially early Lennon. Ticket to Ride, I Feel Fine, In My Life, Run For Your Life, Help!, Hard Day's Night...can't be topped, imho. POB album came damn close though.
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Political Atheist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:03:40pm |
re: #50 jaunte
And Elena Kagan would have to step off as well. Why or how did HuffPo manage to overlook that? Not worth mention?!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:07:13pm |
re: #14 ggt
So, my macbook seems to be running a bit slow.
Is there a cache or a defrag I need to pay attention to?
Invest in this. You won't be sorry.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:07:37pm |
Wonkette comments:
As an interesting side note, today, if you went to the Drudge Report, you’d see the screamer headline “JUDGE NOT: KAGAN CHEERED OBAMACARE PASSAGE.” That link goes to a story about the nefarious emailing activities of now-Justice Elena Kagan, who, back when Obamacare passed, expressed a certain amount of excitement about it to a fellow Harvard Law elitist. Of course she wasn’t even a justice then, and as far as we know Supreme Court justices are at least allowed to have opinions (right?), but all the same the wingnut blog post helpfully points out that “a Supreme Court justice must recuse from ‘any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.’”
[Link: wonkette.com...]
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:08:44pm |
re: #57 BishopX
It's kind of like watching 'Boardwalk Empire.'
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:11:03pm |
re: #60 McSpiff
We rely on the Supreme Court Justices' opinions on what actions seem proper for them.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:13:21pm |
Next they'll be passing out checks on the floor of the house...
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McSpiff Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:16:11pm |
re: #61 jaunte
We rely on the Supreme Court Justices' opinions on what actions seem proper for them.
Seems like a lack of checks and/or balances there.
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Interesting Times Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:16:55pm |
re: #62 Amory Blaine
Next they'll be passing out checks on the floor of the house...
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:19:30pm |
re: #63 McSpiff
Here's the part of the Judicial code of conduct that currently applies:
"1 Justices and employees of the Supreme Court are subject to standards established by the Justices of that Court."
[Link: www.uscourts.gov...]
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:20:31pm |
And now the latest twist in the Sandusky case:
AP: Email, TV talk add new twists to Penn State case
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — A former Penn State graduate assistant cited by a grand jury report as claiming he saw an ex-assistant football coach sexually abusing a young boy in a campus locker room shower says in an email he made sure the act was stopped and then went to police — contradicting what the report says.
Mike McQueary's comments, in an email made available to The Associated Press on Tuesday, appeared to add more confusion to a scandal that has enveloped the university and resulted in the firing of head coach Joe Paterno, the ousting of president Graham Spanier and charges of perjury against the athletic director and a senior vice president.
McQueary, now the football team's wide receivers coach, told a friend from Penn State that he made sure the 2002 shower assault he witnessed was stopped and went to the police about it. The friend made McQueary's email, written Nov. 8, available to the AP on Tuesday on the condition he not be identified.
McQueary, who has been placed on administrative leave and did not coach in Saturday's 17-14 loss to Nebraska, wrote: "I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police .... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds ... trust me."
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:20:39pm |
The get all you can mindset of society is going to be our downfall. Politicians, business owners, fucking coaches.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:22:43pm |
re: #61 jaunte
We rely on the Supreme Court Justices' opinions on what actions seem proper for them.
Who scolds the Supreme Court?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:23:16pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:23:21pm |
re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And now the latest twist in the Sandusky case:
Sounds like CYA to me. He knows he'll probably never get another coaching job unless he tries to dig himself out of the shitpile.
I don't buy it. If he talked to the cops, why didn't they arrest Sandusky?
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:23:34pm |
re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist
I think we people have to:
[Link: www.afj.org...]
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blueraven Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:24:20pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:25:00pm |
re: #70 makeitstop
Sounds like CYA to me. He knows he'll probably never get another coaching job unless he tries to dig himself out of the shitpile.
I don't buy it. If he talked to the cops, why didn't they arrest Sandusky?
He doesn't say which police, so for all we know, he could have been speaking of the campus police.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:25:10pm |
re: #70 makeitstop
Sounds like CYA to me. He knows he'll probably never get another coaching job unless he tries to dig himself out of the shitpile.
I don't buy it. If he talked to the cops, why didn't they arrest Sandusky?
He says he talked to the University police.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:26:44pm |
re: #70 makeitstop
Sounds like CYA to me. He knows he'll probably never get another coaching job unless he tries to dig himself out of the shitpile.
I don't buy it. If he talked to the cops, why didn't they arrest Sandusky?
I have no proof, but he is a fucking liar. LIAR. God these cretins.
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Lidane Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:27:18pm |
re: #74 JasonA
He says he talked to the University police.
Who have as much power as mall cops most of the time.
Hello? A sexual assault of a child and the Penn State cops don't immediately turn it over to the local police? I don't buy it.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:28:25pm |
re: #76 Lidane
Who have as much power as mall cops most of the time.
Hello? A sexual assault of a child and the Penn State cops don't immediately turn it over to the local police? I don't buy it.
Whoa whoa whoa! I'm not sticking up for the guy! I swear!
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:28:56pm |
re: #74 JasonA
He says he talked to the University police.
Well, that would explain the inaction. The campus cops were most likely too scared of losing their jobs to do anything.
Still sounds like McQueary is ass-covering here, though.
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Lidane Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:29:31pm |
re: #77 JasonA
Whoa whoa whoa! I'm not sticking up for the guy! I swear!
I never thought you were. I'm reacting to his bullshit excuse.
If it came across like I was accusing you of defending him, I apologize. I just get so angry over this whole Penn State shit I can't see straight.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:33:17pm |
re: #79 Lidane
I never thought you were. I'm reacting to his bullshit excuse.
If it came across like I was accusing you of defending him, I apologize. I just get so angry over this whole Penn State shit I can't see straight.
100% agreed. Living in PA, I've been trying to ignore the scores of imbeciles trying to defend "JoePa."
Sorry if this comes across as rude, and please don't answer if it does, but where do you go to school?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:33:23pm |
re: #64 publicityStunted
THAT would certainly make life a lot easier.
I'd love to know their sponsors are.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:35:28pm |
re: #79 Lidane
I never thought you were. I'm reacting to his bullshit excuse.
If it came across like I was accusing you of defending him, I apologize. I just get so angry over this whole Penn State shit I can't see straight.
{{{Lidane}}}
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lawhawk Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:35:41pm |
re: #78 makeitstop
McQueary has to live with the guilt of not doing nearly enough, and probably now trying to revise history of his inaction/acts. But that revision may put him in trouble too. If he's making statements that contradict prior statements made to law enforcement, he's got a chance of facing perjury/obstruction of justice charges himself. And any kinds of contradictory statements could undermine his credibility as a witness against Sandusky.
Is McQueary engaging in CYA? Most likely - but he still didn't do nearly enough to protect the kid he saw being abused. And everyone else he talked to did nothing. It's on them to explain their complete and utter inaction; up to and including the university PD (who in cases like this would have authority to arrest and investigate matters - but may have been more worried about protecting Penn State reputation than carrying out a full and thorough investigation).
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:40:03pm |
Jack of Shadows is going to replay the whole afternoon in Spy.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:40:07pm |
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BishopX Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:42:30pm |
re: #76 Lidane
Who have as much power as mall cops most of the time.
Hello? A sexual assault of a child and the Penn State cops don't immediately turn it over to the local police? I don't buy it.
I don't know what it's like in the more westerly regions of the country, but around the north east, campus police (as opposed to campus security) are treated almost exactly like municipal cops. Their standards of professionalism aren't always the best, and they occasionally cover for their institutions (the famous example around here being Harvard PD unwillingness to use the word marijuana in relation to stuff they find students smoking).
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:44:38pm |
ok, here i am at occupy cal on sproul plaza
i would send pictures except i am being stabby stab stabbed by anarchist rapists organized by well known organizers too painful to name unless you ask me nicely
radical signs from the union of highly oorganized anarchists:
no clubs on cal (picture of police billy club)
defend public education
end galactic corporate greed
foreclose wall st, not homes
all your politicians are belong to corporations
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Lidane Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:45:27pm |
re: #80 Atlas Fails
100% agreed. Living in PA, I've been trying to ignore the scores of imbeciles trying to defend "JoePa."
It's hard not to get angry at those people. It's almost like they see football as greater than life or something.
Sorry if this comes across as rude, and please don't answer if it does, but where do you go to school?
I'm in school here in Austin.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:46:49pm |
re: #87 engineer dog
ok, here i am at occupy cal on sproul plaza
i would send pictures except i am being stabby stab stabbed by anarchist rapists organized by well known organizers too painful to name unless you ask me nicelyradical signs from the union of highly oorganized anarchists:
no clubs on cal (picture of police billy club)
defend public education
end galactic corporate greed
foreclose wall st, not homes
all your politicians are belong to corporations
Well, at least it's keeping dry for you.
Report back about how it goes.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:47:17pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:48:03pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:49:22pm |
re: #86 BishopX
I have been told the OU cops are hired by the State. They are virtually State cops and I've been informed to never take them Lightly..I've seen enough of them at the 7-11 store to know these guys are the real deal..
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:51:15pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:52:42pm |
re: #84 jaunte
Jack of Shadows is going to replay the whole afternoon in Spy.
I predict a nasty meltdown, in the early hours of the Morn....
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:54:57pm |
Occupy DC Marches on behalf of Occupy Wall Street
Protestors with Occupy D.C. just took over the D.C. headquarters of Brookfield Properties, which owns Zuccotti Park.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:57:02pm |
All I know is that I'll remember LGF in it's week of the rapey stabbey.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:57:35pm |
re: #49 HoosierHoops
Who the Hell takes Showers with children?
10 year olds? Nobody.
I've heard of people showering with babies for convenience (one parent hands off to the other parent who washes baby and hands it back) but I never wanted to do that.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:58:42pm |
re: #97 EmmmieG
10 year olds? Nobody.
I've heard of people showering with babies for convenience (one parent hands off to the other parent who washes baby and hands it back) but I never wanted to do that.
Parents with kids under the age of 3 who have to get clean and can't trust that their toddler will stay-put ANYWHERE.
Other than that -- no one.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:59:25pm |
re: #98 ggt
Parents with kids under the age of 3 who have to get clean and can't trust that their toddler will stay-put ANYWHERE.
Other than that -- no one.
Yeah. In my case we had it worked out for me to shower while he was still home, and it was my only time alone all day.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:59:43pm |
re: #99 EmmmieG
Yeah. In my case we had it worked out for me to shower while he was still home, and it was my only time alone all day.
LOL
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:01:09pm |
re: #95 makeitstop
Nice Anon banner. I'm sure the hippies will be allowed to camp in Zuccotti park now. Who could resist such awesome peopled powered grass roots action?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:02:17pm |
re: #96 Stanley Sea
rapey stabby drum circle
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:02:49pm |
Sandusky has some sort of sports god fever or something. It's pathological. Duh
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:07:06pm |
re: #97 EmmmieG
10 year olds? Nobody.
I've heard of people showering with babies for convenience (one parent hands off to the other parent who washes baby and hands it back) but I never wanted to do that.
I hear ya Sister...Also.. I have never seen a coach take a shower with any players at any level of sports...Little league, Junior High, High School, College or the Pros...Coaches don't shower with players..much less a 10 year old child...
This is so disgusting...We always trust our coaches to help mature our kids..To lead them and develop into Adults...I'm at a loss
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:07:38pm |
re: #105 HoosierHoops
I hear ya Sister...Also.. I have never seen a coach take a shower with any players at any level of sports...Little league, Junior High, High School, College or the Pros...Coaches don't shower with players..much less a 10 year old child...
This is so disgusting...We always trust our coaches to help mature our kids..To lead them and develop into Adults...I'm at a loss
For that matter, 10 year olds don't shower with 10 year olds. They would be grossed out by the suggestion.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:08:26pm |
Yo. Jack of Shadows. Why don't you come out and play you stupid redneck.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:09:13pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
Nice Anon banner. I'm sure the hippies will be allowed to camp in Zuccotti park now. Who could resist such awesome peopled powered grass roots action?
Yeah, I figured that'd wind you up. :)
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:09:14pm |
Hahaha! Poor old Jack of Shadows came out to down ding all of my comments. Fuck you wingnut!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:09:38pm |
The Daily Show is eviscerating Cain right now.
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Kronocide Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:12:41pm |
re: #109 Gus 802
Hahaha! Poor old Jack of Shadows came out to down ding all of my comments. Fuck you wingnut!
Is that a character from Pirates of the Caribbean?
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Lidane Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:13:17pm |
re: #90 Atlas Fails
A Catholic school in Texas? How do you manage?
//
By being an atheist. Hehe.
Actually, it's a good school. There's a big emphasis on ethics and critical thought. My undergrad thesis here required me to look at an issue from an ethical point of view and make a moral argument about it. As a business major, I did mine on outsourcing and off-shoring of labor.
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:13:21pm |
re: #92 HoosierHoops
I have been told the OU cops are hired by the State. They are virtually State cops and I've been informed to never take them Lightly..I've seen enough of them at the 7-11 store to know these guys are the real deal..
Those Oklahoma State campuses are huge and their cops are like real cops.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:14:52pm |
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Jack of Shadows9/11/2005 4:55:17 pm PDT
....And what, praytell, is a "pure race"?
Identity Christians, I suppose. Or Arabs.
After all, they both practice inbreeding.
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sagehen Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:15:58pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:19:03pm |
re: #118 Gus 802
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I've been coming 'round here for awhile now and I've never heard of this poster.
Therefore, they do not matter.
:0
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:19:22pm |
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:19:29pm |
re: #121 Lidane
My current musical obsession:
[Video]I love her voice. And the music is awesome.
Yes!!! I am taking my daughter next month for her first concert ! We are going to dress up. I can't wait.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:19:59pm |
re: #122 ggt
I've been coming 'round here for awhile now and I've never heard of this poster.
Therefore, they do not matter.
:0
Umm. Yeah. They do not matter. I'm a little busy here.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:20:06pm |
re: #114 prairiefire
Those Oklahoma State campuses are huge and their cops are like real cops.
You can tell they are pros..They have the look of someone you don't mess with..I spoke to a few..Pretty friendly..But..Real cops..
When I first got here I got gas at local station and there was this some kind of policeman in a cowboy outfit and hat and cowboy tie with a big gun...
Right out of central casting i swear...He looked so cool
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:20:23pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:20:31pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:20:42pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:21:16pm |
re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist
How can Newt be a 'fresh face'?
Although, I must admit that my idea from yesterday about Newt marrying Kat Von D still amuses me.
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Lidane Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:21:19pm |
re: #123 jaunte
Newt Gingrich hasn't been a fresh anything in decades. He's old and is a completely rancid individual.
Anyone who thinks he's a credible POTUS candidate is a fucking moron. There's a reason that even the Republicans marginalized Newt for close to a decade.
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:22:48pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
Although, I must admit that my idea from yesterday about Newt marrying Kat Von D still amuses me.
What kind of tats would she give him? I bet she would rock his world.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:22:59pm |
re: #121 Lidane
My current musical obsession:
[Video]I love her voice. And the music is awesome.
The new album is amazing. They made the leap from regular ol' rock band to huge-idea hit machine without breaking a sweat.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:23:05pm |
re: #133 Gus 802
Thanks Killgore. I mean really. Thanks.
//
You can ask Charles to confirm the IP, it's not me. The constant dishonest smears are getting creepy. Please stop.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:23:17pm |
No surprise here...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Jack of Shadows
All well and good. Phlegming and the Rockfishies are not only antisemites but white supremacists and it's worth knowing if Trifkovic is one of them. But as long as we're considering the source, let's consider all the sources here. Like Political Research Associates whom you quote. I think it's worth knowing that they are a hard-left group led by an actual, not a metaphorical, Stalinist, one Chip Berlet who was formerly the head of something called Chicago Friends of Albania. He's a northern version of Morris Dees only (perhaps) without the grifting.
Anyway, if Trifkovic is writing books warnig against Islamism, he may not be in quite as good standing among the paleocons as that; it's no big secret that Phlegming, Dennis Raimondo, and Llewellyn Lincoln Rockwell are not so closeted UBL fans. For now I'm comfortable giving Trifkovic the benefit of a doubt.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:23:37pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
You can ask Charles to confirm the IP, it's not me. The constant dishonest smears are getting creepy. Please stop.
What are you warning me?
Corrected.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:24:25pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
You can ask Charles to confirm the IP, it's not me. The constant dishonest smears are getting creepy. Please stop.
I didn't mean to say this was you bonehead. I was talking about something else.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:24:38pm |
re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist
How can Newt be a 'fresh face'?
I read too fast and thought it said 'fish face.'
Made perfect sense there for a second.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:24:43pm |
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Lidane Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:24:52pm |
re: #137 makeitstop
The new album is amazing. They made the leap from regular ol' rock band to huge-idea hit machine without breaking a sweat.
I've had both Lungs and Ceremonials on near constant replay lately. Her voice just kills me. Fantastic stuff.
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:25:35pm |
re: #137 makeitstop
The new album is amazing. They made the leap from regular ol' rock band to huge-idea hit machine without breaking a sweat.
They are also really styling her, I'm thinking they are going for iconic "Annie Lennox" status. The concert is going to be great. It's a smallish venue. My daughter will be thrilled.
| 147 |
Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:25:39pm |
re: #144 ggt
I've had enough of this shit.
Goodnight all!
He got confused about something else. No, I saying that KT was this other asshole. Cripes.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:25:50pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:25:58pm |
re: #143 makeitstop
I read too fast and thought it said 'fish face.'
Made perfect sense there for a second.
"You fish-faced enemy of the people!!"
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:26:05pm |
Hello! Earth to base! I didn't say that Jack of Shadows was Killgore.
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McSpiff Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:26:42pm |
re: #147 Gus 802
He got confused about something else. No, I saying that KT was this other asshole. Cripes.
I think you accidentally a word.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:27:29pm |
re: #151 McSpiff
I think you accidentally a word.
Yeah. Oh well. I tried clarifying that but they all left in a huff.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:27:30pm |
re: #123 jaunte
When Newt "Divorce Papers in the Hospital" Gingrich is the GOP's best hope for the presidency, shit has gotten deep. As in Marianas Trench deep.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:27:53pm |
re: #146 prairiefire
They are also really styling her, I'm thinking they are going for iconic "Annie Lennox" status. The concert is going to be great. It's a smallish venue. My daughter will be thrilled.
Funny you should mention Annie. That song 'What The Water Gave Me' really reminds me of post-Eurythmics Annie.
Not a bad artist to be compared to by any stretch.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:29:13pm |
re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist
"You fish-faced enemy of the people!!"
Hi you! Hope today finds you well...I'll be back Home Friday..I'm getting jacked up
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:29:28pm |
re: #152 Gus 802
Yeah. Oh well. I tried clarifying that but they all left in a huff.
I wish I could afford one of those fancy sports cars.
(Old joke. Sorry.)
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:30:01pm |
re: #150 Gus 802
Hello! Earth to base! I didn't say that Jack of Shadows was Killgore.
It's out of control.
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Lidane Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:30:28pm |
re: #153 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
When Newt "Divorce Papers in the Hospital" Gingrich is the GOP's best hope for the presidency, shit has gotten deep. As in Marianas Trench deep.
The Marianas Trench is a small line in the sand compared to the deep trouble the GOP would have to be in to nominate Newt.
It's laughable that he's even relevant in 2011. WTF.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:31:59pm |
re: #157 Stanley Sea
It's out of control.
Sure was there for a second. Whew. I was just busting KT's balls about the whole OWS stuff by thanking him. I wasn't saying he was Jack of Shadows. But, I'm glad you, James, and McSpiff noticed.
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McSpiff Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:34:11pm |
re: #159 Gus 802
Sure was there for a second. Whew. I was just busting KT's balls about the whole OWS stuff by thanking him. I wasn't saying he was Jack of Shadows. But, I'm glad you, James, and McSpiff noticed.
WHAT? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF BEING STANLEY SEA AND JAMES?
Jokes.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:36:15pm |
re: #160 McSpiff
WHAT? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF BEING STANLEY SEA AND JAMES?
Jokes.
No I wasn't! Boo hoo!
[Runs away crying.]
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:38:37pm |
High-speed rail that never was: 1910 proposal for SF to LA in four hours
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:38:54pm |
I would have expected some kind of acknowledgement with the 2nd person in question. Oh well.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:41:27pm |
reich to speak soon on 'class warfare'
some friends of mine here
now reciting greatest hits of the free speech movement
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:41:29pm |
re: #164 Stanley Sea
Masters thesis on lgf the last few weeks. Someone?
Well we know Herman Cain doesn't know much about Foreign policy...
When asked about Libya he stepped back and pointed his finger at the camera and exclaimed.. I did not touch that woman there!
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McSpiff Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:42:17pm |
re: #168 HoosierHoops
Well we know Herman Cain doesn't know much about Foreign policy...
When asked about Libya he stepped back and pointed his finger at the camera and exclaimed.. I did not touch that woman there!
annnnd on that note, im going to bed!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:43:13pm |
re: #3 Rightwingconspirator
Ahhh. That's a nice change up.
Did Killgore dance the happy dance today? I'd thought he'd be ecstatic when OWS got the boot.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:49:43pm |
re: #158 Lidane
The Marianas Trench is a small line in the sand compared to the deep trouble the GOP would have to be in to nominate Newt.
It's laughable that he's even relevant in 2011. WTF.
He's capable as an ideas man, and he's a very capable organizer (that second one cannot be doubted. You don't last two terms as Speaker of the House if you aren't a good organizer.) But Newt's got too much baggage for a White House run.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:50:19pm |
The total amount is significantly larger than the $300,000 payment from Freddie Mac that Gingrich was asked about during a Republican presidential debate on Nov. 9 sponsored by CNBC, and more than was disclosed in the middle of congressional investigations into the housing industry collapse.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:50:44pm |
Part of Occupy Oakland is migrating. There's a smaller camp over by Lake Merritt, started by people who didn't like the more extreme politics at Ogawa Plaza. Now, some of the folks who got rousted out of Ogawa are going over there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:51:15pm |
re: #172 Dark_Falcon
He's capable as an ideas man, and he's a very capable organizer (that second one cannot be doubted. You don't last two terms as Speaker of the House if you aren't a good organizer.) But Newt's got too much baggage for a White House run.
He was a big deal in his day.
I'd say, better to rest on those laurels than to do this stupid run.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:53:13pm |
re: #156 makeitstop
I wish I could afford one of those fancy sports cars.
(Old joke. Sorry.)
Mad Magazine circa 1962. You beat me to it.
| 177 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:54:09pm |
re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist
Part of Occupy Oakland is migrating. There's a smaller camp over by Lake Merritt, started by people who didn't like the more extreme politics at Ogawa Plaza. Now, some of the folks who got rousted out of Ogawa are going over there.
I hope the sane people have a plan to keep the nuts away from them this time.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:57:25pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
I hope the sane people have a plan to keep the nuts away from them this time.
Well, there are geese down there. The sane people could train them to peck the crazy people.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:00:40pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:01:23pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Did Killgore dance the happy dance today? I'd thought he'd be ecstatic when OWS got the boot.
Yeah, he spiked the ball, so to speak.
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Lidane Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:02:32pm |
re: #172 Dark_Falcon
But Newt's got too much baggage for a White House run.
Newt's got more baggage than O'Hare during Christmas. Anyone who thinks he's a credible GOP nominee for POTUS is fooling themselves.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:04:35pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:08:06pm |
re: #181 Lidane
Newt's got more baggage than O'Hare during Christmas. Anyone who thinks he's a credible GOP nominee for POTUS is fooling themselves.
It's called a lack of options on the part of the GOP base. Bachmann and Perry have pretty much dropped off the radar, Cain is foundering, and the only other option besides Newt for the title of "Not-Romney" is Luap Nor. And while there are more a few nuts within the base's ranks, even they don't really think he could win the presidency. Or, if they do, it's only because they've totally lost grip with reality.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:08:15pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
"Since his retainer with Freddie Mac ended in 2008, Gingrich has become a critic of the government-sponsored enterprises, which were pushed into insolvency by subprime mortgages."
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:11:07pm |
re: #184 jaunte
"Since his retainer with Freddie Mac ended in 2008, Gingrich has become a critic of the government-sponsored enterprises, which were pushed into insolvency by subprime mortgages."
Don't you just love politicians? Bleh, they make me sick. I've reached the point where I think it really is time to kick them ALL out and start fresh. And I am sick to death of the revolving door and this latest scam with the stock trading. It's repulsive and I can't believe that people get suckered into voting for these same a-holes year after year. I mean take Newt for instance. How in the world can the Tea Party support such a man when these fact presented here fly in the face of their alleged principles?
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freetoken Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:11:37pm |
re: #184 jaunte
"Since his retainer with Freddie Mac ended in 2008, Gingrich has become a critic of the government-sponsored enterprises, which were pushed into insolvency by subprime mortgages."
See, it's clear - Freddie Mac got into trouble after they stopped paying Gingrich for his advice. Ergo, if only they had kept Newt and taken his advice they wouldn't have gotten into trouble.
Isn't it obvious?
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jaunte Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:14:30pm |
re: #186 freetoken
This part was interesting, too:
His primary contact inside the organization was Mitchell Delk, Freddie Mac’s chief lobbyist, and he was paid a self- renewing, monthly retainer of $25,000 to $30,000 between May 1999 until 2002, according to three people familiar with aspects of the business agreement.
During that period, Gingrich consulted with Freddie Mac executives on a program to expand home ownership, an idea Delk said he pitched to President George W. Bush’s White House.
.....
None of the former Freddie Mac officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said Gingrich raised the issue of the housing bubble or was critical of Freddie Mac’s business model.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:18:24pm |
Bullet hits White House Window
The Secret Service is investigating how a bullet hit an exterior window of the White House. A round was stopped by ballistic glass behind the historic exterior glass. The Secret Service also tells News4 that one additional round was also found on the exterior of the White House.
The investigation started after an incident on Friday night where gunshots were heard near the White House. Police have since been searching for a suspect in that case, 21 year old Oscar Ortega Hernandez . The Secret Service has not yet conclusively connected Friday's incident with the bullets found on White House grounds.
The rounds were discovered Tuesday morning, and the investigation is ongoing.
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Gus Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:23:19pm |
Damn. This is a cool video.
NFLIGHT adventures by Scott Slocum.mov
We take the new NFLIGHTCAM for a test spin highlighting the "no prop strobe effect" of this new portable HD tube camera design by [Link: www.nflightcam.com...]
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:32:27pm |
reich : "i'll believe corporations are people when texas or georgia executes one"
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:36:11pm |
re: #192 engineer dog
reich : "i'll believe corporations are people when texas or georgia executes one"
They need a person's rights to speech, though, given that they have the right to own property. The right to speak is crucial to being able to defend your right to property, and that goes for corporations as well.
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bratwurst Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:42:18pm |
Among Newt's many poor qualities, few seem to mention the fact that he is every bit the quitter that Sarah Palin is. His constituents voted to return him to the House in 1998, but when it became clear that he was being held responsible for the GOP's bad showing that year and would face a challenge to his leadership position, he QUIT THE HOUSE ALTOGETHER rather than face the horrible prospect of merely representing the interests of his district as a back bencher.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:49:19pm |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
They need a person's rights to speech, though, given that they have the right to own property. The right to speak is crucial to being able to defend your right to property, and that goes for corporations as well.
they are not people
owning property makes you a legal entity, not a human being
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:50:58pm |
re: #194 bratwurst
Among Newt's many poor qualities, few seem to mention the fact that he is every bit the quitter that Sarah Palin is. His constituents voted to return him to the House in 1998, but when it became clear that he was being held responsible for the GOP's bad showing that year and would face a challenge to his leadership position, he QUIT THE HOUSE ALTOGETHER rather than face the horrible prospect of merely representing the interests of his district as a back bencher.
That being made worse by the fact he didn't have the issue Sarah Palin had with the constant ethics challenges being filed against her, which gave Palin at least a half-plausible reason as to why she quit (she was losing money by staying).
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laZardo Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:51:37pm |
Evening folks. I was wondering why I couldn't access my yaoi this morning.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:51:57pm |
re: #196 WindUpBird
they are not people
owning property makes you a legal entity, not a human being
They still need the right to speak, or their property rights are in serious jeopardy.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 15, 2011 9:54:16pm |
re: #198 laZardo
Evening folks. I was wondering why I couldn't access my yaoi this morning.
4chan...taken down by a DDoS. It's like goldy or bronzy, only made of iron.
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sagehen Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:01:47pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
They still need the right to speak, or their property rights are in serious jeopardy.
They already have more rights than flesh & blood people -- they can't be thrown in prison (or executed) no matter what they do, their financial liabilities for even the most egregious tort are limited, their officers can asset-strip when a bankruptcy seems imminent and there's no recourse by creditors...
It's only by an act of government that they can exist at all; they're forbidden by law to have a conscience (obligatory sociopathy), in that they're required to put profit-to-their-stockholders above all other considerations.
There's no good reason their free speech rights should outweigh mine (and they do, not only because they have more money than me; again, they can't be thrown in prison ever for any reason. There's things *I* could say that would get me locked up.)
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freetoken Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:18:31pm |
Mullah Mohler (head of the seminaries of the largest US Protestant denomination) and one of his ad hoc religious councils struggle over modern genetics:
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:20:53pm |
re: #201 sagehen
They already have more rights than flesh & blood people -- they can't be thrown in prison (or executed) no matter what they do, their financial liabilities for even the most egregious tort are limited, their officers can asset-strip when a bankruptcy seems imminent and there's no recourse by creditors...
It's only by an act of government that they can exist at all; they're forbidden by law to have a conscience (obligatory sociopathy), in that they're required to put profit-to-their-stockholders above all other considerations.
The reason corporations are required to put shareholder value first is to prevent shenanigans. It would be easy to use the idea of "doing right" to hide unproductive investments that mostly served to enrich the company's executives. That still happens sometimes, but changing the rule would make it worse.
Goodnight, all.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:25:32pm |
re: #203 Dark_Falcon
The reason corporations are required to put shareholder value first is to prevent shenanigans.
Uh-huh.
And we see how well that works. //
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:26:40pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
They still need the right to speak, or their property rights are in serious jeopardy.
Human rights trump property rights, unless you are a sociopath.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:28:04pm |
re: #181 Lidane
Newt's got more baggage than O'Hare during Christmas. Anyone who thinks he's a credible GOP nominee for POTUS is fooling themselves.
Yeah, but watch the dumb hayseeds vote for him, if they're told. I actually think the rwnj right is in such miserable and desperate shape, Newt could have a serious chance, seeing how much the bigots hate the Mormon.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:29:08pm |
re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist
Part of Occupy Oakland is migrating. There's a smaller camp over by Lake Merritt, started by people who didn't like the more extreme politics at Ogawa Plaza. Now, some of the folks who got rousted out of Ogawa are going over there.
Interesting.
Eclairs at Merritt Bakery rule the planet, and all in it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:30:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:38:09pm |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
They need a person's rights to speech, though, given that they have the right to own property. The right to speak is crucial to being able to defend your right to property, and that goes for corporations as well.
People have the right to own property, and to form corporations, and to speak.
Why do corporations require more speech than that their owners already possess?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:39:42pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
They still need the right to speak, or their property rights are in serious jeopardy.
How?
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:49:31pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
How?
'Cause we lazy commie-liberal parasites would be able to vote in people who would suck the corporations dry.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:54:12pm |
re: #212 JasonA
'Cause we lazy commie-liberal parasites would be able to vote in people who would suck the corporations dry.
But I totally want to do that! Can't we do that?
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:56:34pm |
re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist
But I totally want to do that! Can't we do that?
We can't because the corporations have a voice... Yeah, we're back to square one.
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laZardo Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:08:08pm |
re: #214 JasonA
The corporations bought the government that runs the cops.
Therefore, the cops are tools of the corporations.
Simple.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:15:12pm |
corporations are not mammals, they cannot feel pain nor joy. they are born in a lawyer's office and have no mothers.
corporations are not people, and they are not made of people like mitt said. they are legal instruments that are owned by some people, employ other people, and protect their owners from still other people
i have a corporation - it makes me a little money on the side from an invention of mine. but i don't want it to be made of me, have speech rights independant of me, or otherwise be anything besides a legal instrument protecting my personal property from lawsuits
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Integral Doc Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:19:48pm |
Since were sharing music......this is something special:
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freetoken Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:25:49pm |
re: #216 engineer dog
corporations are not mammals, they cannot feel pain nor joy. they are born in a lawyer's office and have no mothers.
Technically speaking, aren't corporations inseminated at the lawyer's office, but actually delivered at some State tax office or bureau?
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:30:25pm |
ni hao, honcos!
Mothers, lock up your daughters.
Husbands, keep an eye on your wives.
Guanxi88's getting a divorce.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:38:03pm |
Looks like everyone's busy checking on their womenfolk!
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:39:19pm |
re: #219 Guanxi88
ni hao, honcos!
Mothers, lock up your daughters.
Husbands, keep an eye on your wives.
Guanxi88's getting a divorce.
Mazeltov, welcome to the club brah.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:39:22pm |
re: #218 freetoken
Technically speaking, aren't corporations inseminated at the lawyer's office, but actually delivered at some State tax office or bureau?
Sounds like the opening to some kinky MBA erotica.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:40:23pm |
re: #221 goddamnedfrank
Mazeltov, welcome to the club brah.
Yes, the Bitter Half seems quite pleased with idea - spousal support and all. As I told her, "It means a pay-cut for you, though."
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:42:45pm |
re: #223 Guanxi88
Yes, the Bitter Half seems quite pleased with idea - spousal support and all. As I told her, "It means a pay-cut for you, though."
Protip: If you can keep the lawyers out of it, do.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:42:56pm |
re: #201 sagehen
It's only by an act of government that they can exist at all; they're forbidden by law to have a conscience (obligatory sociopathy), in that they're required to put profit-to-their-stockholders above all other considerations.
There's no good reason their free speech rights should outweigh mine (and they do, not only because they have more money than me; again, they can't be thrown in prison ever for any reason. There's things *I* could say that would get me locked up.)
So many cons are the government-dependent dupes they claim the rest of us are. The government minted them who and what they are. Too bad so many also emulate the sociopathy mentioned, above.
F'n weird.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:43:04pm |
Yep, after I told her what I wanted, she came clean about her extra-curricular activities, and was about to name the other party til I iinterrupted and did that for her.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:44:01pm |
re: #224 goddamnedfrank
Protip: If you can keep the lawyers out of it, do.
No lawyers. We've both got enough dirt on each other to wreck our lives thrice over, so we're doing it friendly-like.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:44:37pm |
re: #227 Guanxi88
No lawyers. We've both got enough dirt on each other to wreck our lives thrice over, so we're doing it friendly-like.
Con...grats?
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:45:12pm |
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:45:35pm |
re: #226 Guanxi88
Yep, after I told her what I wanted, she came clean about her extra-curricular activities, and was about to name the other party til I iinterrupted and did that for her.
Fun! Been there too.
Protip #2: Make sure you get the dog.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:46:17pm |
re: #230 goddamnedfrank
Fun! Been there too.
Protip #2: Make sure you get the dog.
She can keep that neurotic dust-mop.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:47:49pm |
re: #227 Guanxi88
No lawyers. We've both got enough dirt on each other to wreck our lives thrice over, so we're doing it friendly-like.
That's the way me and the ex did it. Not worth paying a couple of bottom feeders to negotiate the inevitable IMHO.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:48:02pm |
And we celebrated the decision with steak and beer, in the best traditions of this great land.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:50:21pm |
And so, having chummed the water for ladies, I retire to spend the evening with my Old Grandad. We miss each other sometimes.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:50:35pm |
I see we had some long time lurkers show up today... and then get the boot.
Sigh... always miss all the excitement.
Oh, and I sense a flux in the field of internet forums... as if many people are jostling for new positions... not unlike penguins returning to the shores of Antarctica every spring to build new nests out of the rocks on the shore, and trying to find just the right space to pitch the nest.
Strange.
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boxhead Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:53:46pm |
re: #235 freetoken
I see we had some long time lurkers show up today... and then get the boot.
Sigh... always miss all the excitement.
Oh, and I sense a flux in the field of internet forums... as if many people are jostling for new positions... not unlike penguins returning to the shores of Antarctica every spring to build new nests out of the rocks on the shore, and trying to find just the right space to pitch the nest.
Strange.
uhhh... waxing poetic? heheh... your post looks like you dropping the last letter of your name :)
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:53:58pm |
re: #234 Guanxi88
And so, having chummed the water for ladies, I retire to spend the evening with my Old Grandad. We miss each other sometimes.
Did you read the Lore on that? It's Joe Paterno's favorite drink, lol.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:54:52pm |
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boxhead Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:56:34pm |
re: #234 Guanxi88
And so, having chummed the water for ladies, I retire to spend the evening with my Old Grandad. We miss each other sometimes.
my only two day hangover was from 7 and 7 and then Old Grandad after the Seagrams ran out... arrrrrr
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:57:58pm |
Hmm... maybe I'll move to Kentucky. Always thought of it as God's backyard. Faulkner has Quentin say that "God is a gentleman and a sport and a Kentuckian." Bourbon proves that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:58:06pm |
re: #219 Guanxi88
ni hao, honcos!
Mothers, lock up your daughters.
Husbands, keep an eye on your wives.
Guanxi88's getting a divorce.
Heck, I can't say I'm surprised, but you were talking like it wasn't going to happen.
Sounds like it's not a bad thing, though.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:58:27pm |
re: #218 freetoken
Technically speaking, aren't corporations inseminated at the lawyer's office, but actually delivered at some State tax office or bureau?
heh
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Guanxi88 Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:59:09pm |
re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist
Heck, I can't say I'm surprised, but you were talking like it wasn't going to happen.
Sounds like it's not a bad thing, though.
No, not bad at all. best for all involved.
So, what are you doing Friday? (heh!)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 15, 2011 11:59:53pm |
re: #243 Guanxi88
No, not bad at all. best for all involved.
So, what are you doing Friday? (heh!)
Hah! Probably making dinner for my husband.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:03:15am |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
Hah! Probably making dinner for my husband.
Don't you think we shouldn't rush things?
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:05:56am |
quiet night here.... any seen Immortals yet? any good?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:06:07am |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
Hah! Probably making dinner for my husband.
Let's not rush things......
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laZardo Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:06:25am |
re: #243 Guanxi88
No, not bad at all. best for all involved.
So, what are you doing Friday? (heh!)
Being a CAPITALIST WAGE SLAVE*.
*safeway checker :3
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:07:09am |
quiet night here.... any seen Immortals yet? any good?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:08:29am |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
No need to rush things..... let's get to know each other first......
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:10:33am |
quiet night here.... any seen Immortals yet? any good?
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:18:42am |
So, I finally signed up to Facebook.
It doesn't look like it'll be any more relevant to me than Twitter is (or isn't, in my case.) However, I suppose I can now post to Sister Sarah's Facebook... until she bans me.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:22:30am |
So, I finally signed up to Facebook.
It doesn't look like it'll be any more relevant to me than Twitter is (or isn't, in my case.) However, I suppose I can now post to Sister Sarah's Facebook... until she bans me.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:25:08am |
So, I finally signed up to Facebook.
It doesn't look like it'll be any more relevant to me than Twitter is (or isn't, in my case.) However, I suppose I can now post to Sister Sarah's Facebook... until she bans me.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:27:29am |
So, I finally signed up to Facebook.
It doesn't look like it'll be any more relevant to me than Twitter is (or isn't, in my case.) However, I suppose I can now post to Sister Sarah's Facebook... until she bans me.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:30:53am |
Hmmm... I really don't stutter, but apparently I did online.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:33:39am |
hi
weird thread
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:37:48am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:07:58am |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
They need a person's rights to speech, though, given that they have the right to own property. The right to speak is crucial to being able to defend your right to property, and that goes for corporations as well.
They may need a representative, e.g. an attorney, but they do NOT need to have free speech themselves.
Jeez-o-Pete
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:25:37am |
re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Human rights trump property rights, unless you are a sociopath.
Property rights are human rights.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:32:57am |
re: #225 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
So many cons are the government-dependent dupes they claim the rest of us are. The government minted them who and what they are.
This is because of a wide-spread misunderstanding of what government is. A lot of people only recognize as government the types of government they like best ("official governments", for instance, failure to recognize that de iure status is not of primal relevance) or least ("secular, liberal government", i.e. the type that simply does not favor them above others).
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:33:41am |
re: #262 000G
Property rights are human rights.
Unless you are a communist. And no, I am not joking here.
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researchok Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:35:59am |
re: #265 000G
The Sword of Damocles over entire populations has been the fear of the government coming in one night and taking everything away.
That has happened, a lot.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:36:04am |
re: #265 000G
The problem is one of balance. Communists want to abolish private property and through that usually end up abolishing all property rights. Anti-communists want property rights to trump all other human rights and through that usually end up abolishing property rights for most, to the point where the difference to the communist outcome is hardly worth mentioning.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:37:49am |
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researchok Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:41:15am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:52:20am |
re: #269 researchok
I am not advocating for universal input on economic matters. There has to be a supra governing body to consider policies which benefits all populations, not just a privileged few.
I am not sure what you are saying. You do not want "universal input" but want a "supra" (?) governing body to "consider" (not decide on?) policies which benefits all? Seems contradictory, unless the body works under strict guidelines decided upon by a more democratically elected body (kind of like the judiciary works under laws passed by the legislative).
Why not dare more democracy? I think especially in municipal budgets, popular referenda might be the way to go. The fiasco with Alabama's Jefferson County might have been avoided if the general population had gotten insight and input on the financial doings.
More Switzerland, please.
Think Electoral College.
AFAIK the electoral college distorts the popular vote by giving States more power than people, as seen in the United States presidential election of 2000. In essence, it means that some people's votes mean more than other people's votes. I think it's intrinsically unfair.
Imperfect, but it works.
I think the whole debt ceiling debacle showed some serious stress test failures.
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researchok Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:05:57am |
re: #270 000G
It is a delicate balance in a democratic society. For better or worse, both consumers and producers manage to come to terms. Capitalism takes care of that.
You are right to note my erroneous use of the word 'consider'- it should have been 'decide.' Theoretically, that is what Congress is for but that has long since given way to their own self serving interests and dealings and horse trading.
Now, on the municipal level there is a lot to be said for your argument for more democracy. The outrageous excesses of Bell, California come to mind and beyond that there are plenty of county financialo shenanigans as well. More transparency would probably work.
That said, in larger centers, there are strong competing interests that can result in disastrous local policies. See this about the 're-segregation' of schools. This is a huge local issue (my part of the world).
And this is a vibrant academic community that counts Duke, UNC, NC State and other colleges are within a few miles of each other.
And of course, the Tea Party has gotten involved.
It is ugly.
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researchok Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:11:50am |
re: #270 000G
Also, if the Electoral College is done away with, won't candidates only focus on large States, ignoring the small ones altogether?
The debt ceiling debacle only highlighted the level of ignorance of so many of how our system works.
That said, the opponents to raising the debt ceiling did manage to bring uncontrolled spending to the fore- and helped to highlight a highly dysfunctional Congress, out of control lobbying and dirty dealing in DC.
Our world.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:14:42am |
re: #269 researchok
I am not advocating for universal input on economic matters. There has to be a supra governing body to consider policies which benefits all populations, not just a privileged few.
Think Electoral College.
Imperfect, but it works.
Some of the healthiest, (economic wise), Countries are well educated and have relatively low population. Having economic accountability close to home seems to work. The farther away, the more layers there are between Citizens and those making decisions affecting the Country as a whole only make it easier for people to act not in the best interest of the Country.
Now many will say those thoughts are anti capitalism, Communism even. But what is wrong asking a corporation that benefited from their home Country's healthy society to focus on giving back instead of pure economic gain?
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:16:25am |
re: #272 researchok
Also, if the Electoral College is done away with, won't candidates only focus on large States, ignoring the small ones altogether?
The debt ceiling debacle only highlighted the level of ignorance of so many of how our system works.
That said, the opponents to raising the debt ceiling did manage to bring uncontrolled spending to the fore- and helped to highlight a highly dysfunctional Congress, out of control lobbying and dirty dealing in DC.
Our world.
Right now they only focus on the swing states.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:17:51am |
re: #271 researchok
It is a delicate balance in a democratic society. For better or worse, both consumers and producers manage to come to terms. Capitalism takes care of that.
Actually, no. "Capitalism" does not "take care" of that. There are crises. They appear almost regularly. And they always involve producer and consumer not coming to terms.
You are right to note my erroneous use of the word 'consider'- it should have been 'decide.' Theoretically, that is what Congress is for but that has long since given way to their own self serving interests and dealings and horse trading.
lol "horse trading". That's a good one.
Now, on the municipal level there is a lot to be said for your argument for more democracy. The outrageous excesses of Bell, California come to mind and beyond that there are plenty of county financialo shenanigans as well. More transparency would probably work.
Engagement will result in transparancy. There is no substitute.
That said, in larger centers, there are strong competing interests that can result in disastrous local policies. See this about the 're-segregation' of schools. This is a huge local issue (my part of the world).
I was talking specifically about fiscal and budgetary matters. Are those educational policy issues neccessary a part of that?
And this is a vibrant academic community that counts Duke, UNC, NC State and other colleges are within a few miles of each other.
And of course, the Tea Party has gotten involved.
It is ugly.
Will have to read up on that, myself. Thanks.
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researchok Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:24:11am |
re: #273 boxhead
Some of the healthiest, (economic wise), Countries are well educated and have relatively low population. Having economic accountability close to home seems to work. The farther away, the more layers there are between Citizens and those making decisions affecting the Country as a whole only make it easier for people to act not in the best interest of the Country.
Now many will say those thoughts are anti capitalism, Communism even. But what is wrong asking a corporation that benefited from their home Country's healthy society to focus on giving back instead of pure economic gain?
Low populations are a lot easier to manage than large ones.
Still, your point is well taken. We ought not fear more involvement.
As for corporate responsible, I'm with you. It never ceases to amaze how some people who embrace a right of center ideology of accountability and responsibility insist on giving corporations a free pass.
No more ridiculous tax breaks, government handouts or tax shelters period.
I do not want to see people or corporations punished for success. They just have to pay their fair share. The widows, orphans and other beneficiaries of corporate dividends and pensions (the real owners of the company) do not get the free passes the Class A shareholders get, etc.
Also, I'm not keen on punishing heirs. I work hard and want to leave my daughter what I can. What's wrong with that?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:24:22am |
re: #272 researchok
Also, if the Electoral College is done away with, won't candidates only focus on large States, ignoring the small ones altogether?
I don't think so. States simply won't matter. The people will.
You could argue that more populous centers of the country will beat the sparsely populated ones, somehow. But that is already the case within States as it is.
That said, the opponents to raising the debt ceiling did manage to bring uncontrolled spending to the fore- and helped to highlight a highly dysfunctional Congress, out of control lobbying and dirty dealing in DC.
I don't know if that is what they did. Foremost they brought about a downgrading of the US credit rating. And they deceveived the public about what raising the debt ceiling meant: In their narrative, increasing the limit on new spending, when it actually was just authorizing the payment of bills that would have come due anyways because of obligations already authorized.
This touches on the "uncontrolled" aspect of spending. Is it really uncontrolled or just inevitable? Is the kind of "control" the GOP told the public about not just fictitious at best and fiscally dangerous at worst?
I don't think a serious, popular debate about this has even begun. If anything, the GOP has prevented it from happening. That's not to say that the Democrats have been of any help, either.
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researchok Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:28:40am |
re: #275 000G
The educational issues here in NC are directly budget related. I call it for what it is- self interest.
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researchok Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:31:49am |
re: #277 000G
I don't know if that is what they did. Foremost they brought about a downgrading of the US credit rating. And they deceveived the public about what raising the debt ceiling meant: In their narrative, increasing the limit on new spending, when it actually was just authorizing the payment of bills that would have come due anyways because of obligations already authorized.
This touches on the "uncontrolled" aspect of spending. Is it really uncontrolled or just inevitable? Is the kind of "control" the GOP told the public about not just fictitious at best and fiscally dangerous at worst?
I don't think a serious, popular debate about this has even begun. If anything, the GOP has prevented it from happening. That's not to say that the Democrats have been of any help, either.
It's a lot like the OWS protests- what was actually accomplished is subject to debate.
That the protests put the financial industry excesses into the sp[otlight is beyond doubt.
Responsible spending is indeed inevitable.
Out of control spending is not.
And on that note, I'm outta here.
Later, all.
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sagehen Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:32:08am |
re: #276 researchok
Also, I'm not keen on punishing heirs. I work hard and want to leave my daughter what I can. What's wrong with that?
The inheritence tax isn't "punishing heirs" -- if you want to leave your daughter enough to live an upper middle-class lifestyle for 50 years without working a day of it, that's still well below what the exclusionary limit for inheritence tax has *always* been. Less than 2% of estates are large enough for there to be an inheritence tax, and at its highest it was half of what's above the exclusionary sum.
The purpose is to prevent the rise of a hereditary aristocracy. No one's bothered that Bill Gates is the richest man in America, we recognize that his ideas/creations/efforts earned that wealth -- but there'd be something very wrong if his great-great-great-great-grandchildren are the richest people in America without any of the succeeding generations having done anything productive in the meantime.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:33:46am |
re: #276 researchok
It never ceases to amaze how some people who embrace a right of center ideology of accountability and responsibility insist on giving corporations a free pass.
It's really funny how conservatives are almost always liberal on economic matters, no (with the exception of some agrarian/southern conservatives like Wendell Berry, Russell Kirk, the Twelve Southerners, i.e. "Old Right")? Conincidentally, if you do focus on economic issues, they do not even differ that much from neoliberals.
I do not want to see people or corporations punished for success. They just have to pay their fair share. The widows, orphans and other beneficiaries of corporate dividends and pensions (the real owners of the company) do not get the free passes the Class A shareholders get, etc.
Keep in mind that a lot of widows and orphans owe their very status to coprorations to begin with.
Also, I'm not keen on punishing heirs. I work hard and want to leave my daughter what I can. What's wrong with that?
Nothing wrong with that. But there most be a rebalancing of earned versus unearned incomes from time to time.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:41:39am |
re: #276 researchok
What I was alluding to without being precise, is that elections matter. Having a well educated populace, and thus having well educated voters should be a good thing. Having uninformed and uneducated voters will be and are easy sway. There is very little honor left in what should be the world leaders.
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:45:00am |
re: #281 000G
"Nothing wrong with that. But there most be a rebalancing of earned versus unearned incomes from time to time."
And our federal government decides what is earned and unearned and takes the difference?
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:45:45am |
re: #280 sagehen
The Founding Fathers tended to agree with you.
With Thomas Jefferson taking the lead in the Virginia legislature in 1777, every Revolutionary state government abolished the laws of primogeniture and entail that had served to perpetuate the concentration of inherited property. Jefferson cited Adam Smith, the hero of free market capitalists everywhere, as the source of his conviction that (as Smith wrote, and Jefferson closely echoed in his own words), "A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural." Smith said: "There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death."
[Link: www.economist.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:46:21am |
re: #279 researchok
Responsible spending is indeed inevitable.
Out of control spending is not.
The question is: What's "control" supposed to mean? Does it mean being able to arbitrarily decide which obligations not to honor anymore? Is the control at some point in time not just one simply over default versus further debt to avoid default? How were these contracts that resulted in the debt to begin with concocted? And why are some corporations (e.g. municipalities and other government bodies) held responsible for this while other corporations (e.g. banks and hedge funds) are not?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:47:47am |
re: #283 EdDantes
And our federal government decides what is earned and unearned and takes the difference?
Errr. All inherited property is unearned. How much of that should be taxed and redistributed depends on the actual level of wealth inequality in a given society.
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engineer cat Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:54:59am |
The portion of American families living in middle-income neighborhoods has declined significantly since 1970, according to a new study, as rising income inequality left a growing share of families in neighborhoods that are mostly low-income or mostly affluent.
The study, conducted by Stanford University and scheduled for release on Wednesday by the Russell Sage Foundation and Brown University, uses census data to examine family income at the neighborhood level in the country’s 117 biggest metropolitan areas.
The findings show a changed map of prosperity in the United States over the past four decades, with larger patches of affluence and poverty and a shrinking middle.
In 2007, the last year captured by the data, 44 percent of families lived in neighborhoods the study defined as middle-income, down from 65 percent of families in 1970. At the same time, a third of American families lived in areas of either affluence or poverty, up from just 15 percent of families in 1970.
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:55:01am |
re: #286 000G
Errr. All inherited property is unearned. How much of that should be taxed and redistributed depends on the actual level of wealth inequality in a given society.
I mean the inherited property was earned. It was earned by the person who passed it on. By what right does the government claim it?
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:55:25am |
re: #287 EdDantes
Good link. Thanks!
heh... you are welcome.... I just googled "founding fathers on inheritance tax" and a whole bunch of links magically appeared.. :)
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:58:56am |
re: #289 EdDantes
I mean the inherited property was earned. It was earned by the person who passed it on. By what right does the government claim it?
It is more of a understanding of what massive accumulated wealth has done to this world and thus a choice was made by those setting up USA to opt out of that form of society.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:04:06am |
re: #289 EdDantes
I mean the inherited property was earned. It was earned by the person who passed it on. By what right does the government claim it?
There is no status any property has irrespective of its relationship to its owner. So, property may have been earned by a person. But the moment he dies and passes it on to an heir, it becomes unearned because he is not the owner anymore, his heir is. And his heir does, at the moment of inheritance, not have any relationship of having earned it (with the exception of e.g. heirs that take part in managing property of their parents in their old age, but all of that is stuff going on that could concern anyone, not just heirs, and is not a neccessary aspect of being an heir). It's really simple.
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sagehen Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:04:27am |
re: #289 EdDantes
I mean the inherited property was earned. It was earned by the person who passed it on. By what right does the government claim it?
If it's that important to him to pass it on, he's certainly free to do so before he dies. It wasn't earned by the person he's passing it to.
If your estate is likely to be less than $5 million, inheritance tax does not apply. At all. If your estate is likely to be more than $5 million, it's not taking food from your children's mouths to assess a tax on the amount over $5 million.
The government claims it because that puts it back into the economy -- money, like water, needs to circulate for the system to be healthy. It's not good to let it pool in too few places and stagnate.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:06:01am |
re: #291 boxhead
It is more of a understanding of what massive accumulated wealth has done to this world and thus a choice was made by those setting up USA to opt out of that form of society.
But here we are, watching it happen again. To what conclusion will this version lead?
I swear, History, honest History is not giving the respect today as it was when I was in school. Of course it could be that I was/am an information junkie... :)
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:15:43am |
re: #293 sagehen
I do feel that $5 million is rather small. Especially if that value is tied up in family land, (farms, ranches etc), or a family business. Forcing a child that expected to take over the the family business to sell and thus most likely, cause the business to close, and have more people out of work, does not make sense. $5 million might have been lots years ago, not so much now. What I feel is dangerous is the level of wealth that is creating a new aristocracy. Much like obscene porn, you know it when you see it.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:16:43am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:26:05am |
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:27:50am |
re: #299 Decatur Deb
Several of my in-laws are simple.
I suspect Thanksgiving will be interesting.. :)
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:29:20am |
re: #295 boxhead
Much like obscene porn, you know it when you see it.
That's a connection that may be worth exploring.
"Pornography" as defined today - as visual representations of graphic sexual acts, is not that old of an idea in Western Civilization. Some attribute it to the Victorians (when the word was defined in the modern sense.)
My thinking is that the emergence of the concern over pornography is contemporaneous with the industrial revolution and the first accumulation of the wealth from such, into the hands of a few.
Until the invention of techniques that could reproduce in mass the visual images of sexual activity there wasn't "pornography". Likewise, without the ability to reproduce goods on a large scale with (relatively) little human labor one didn't have an "upper class" that was outside the family lines of nobility (which themselves were often started by victors of previous military campaigns.) IOW, while there were always a few leaders at the top in civilizations (kings, noblemen), they were indeed few. With industrialization came many more people with "wealth", and then the hoarding of such wealth.
If we look at art we can see artists representing the society around them, whether purposefully or not. Many ancient civilizations created sexually explicit works of art, yet they were not "pornography" to them, as sex was simply part of life.
Likewise "capital" first took meaning with the advent of agriculture and the storing of seed grain, and "private ownership" of land with the exclusive right to farm a certain piece of land. However, it is interesting to note that private ownership of land was always tenuous - an invading tribe/group/nation could always take that from you.
Thus we have another parallel - determining what is pornography or not in today's society is often about walking a fine line (say between a fully erect penis and only a partially erect penis); and, determining how much "private" property (not just land) can or cannot be kept by a person/family likewise is walking a fine line - when does government become tyrannical vs. when is society doing what is just to all.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:29:25am |
re: #300 boxhead
I suspect Thanksgiving will be interesting.. :)
Less than last year. Daughter Two filed yesterday.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:33:23am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:36:04am |
re: #301 freetoken
That's a connection that may be worth exploring.
"Pornography" as defined today - as visual representations of graphic sexual acts, is not that old of an idea in Western Civilization. Some attribute it to the Victorians (when the word was defined in the modern sense.)
My thinking is that the emergence of the concern over pornography is contemporaneous with the industrial revolution and the first accumulation of the wealth from such, into the hands of a few.
Until the invention of techniques that could reproduce in mass the visual images of sexual activity there wasn't "pornography". Likewise, without the ability to reproduce goods on a large scale with (relatively) little human labor one didn't have an "upper class" that was outside the family lines of nobility (which themselves were often started by victors of previous military campaigns.) IOW, while there were always a few leaders at the top in civilizations (kings, noblemen), they were indeed few. With industrialization came many more people with "wealth", and then the hoarding of such wealth.
If we look at art we can see artists representing the society around them, whether purposefully or not. Many ancient civilizations created sexually explicit works of art, yet they were not "pornography" to them, as sex was simply part of life.
Likewise "capital" first took meaning with the advent of agriculture and the storing of seed grain, and "private ownership" of land with the exclusive right to farm a certain piece of land. However, it is interesting to note that private ownership of land was always tenuous - an invading tribe/group/nation could always take that from you.
Thus we have another parallel - determining what is pornography or not in today's society is often about walking a fine line (say between a fully erect penis and only a partially erect penis); and, determining how much "private" property (not just land) can or cannot be kept by a person/family likewise is walking a fine line - when does government become tyrannical vs. when is society doing what is just to all.
So, points for the Lizard historian who finds the oldest diatribe attacking pornography. (Also, flip your thesis and think of Militia/Survivalist thinking as a craving for a return to hunter-gatherer economy. Glenn's non-hybrid seeds make no sense if you can't hold your land for a season.)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:37:45am |
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:38:38am |
re: #295 boxhead
If our laws were designed to prevent aristocracy they have failed. They have only managed to compel farmers to sell (and other concerns) outright, or piecemeal.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:40:35am |
re: #203 Dark_Falcon
The reason corporations are required to put shareholder value first is to prevent shenanigans. It would be easy to use the idea of "doing right" to hide unproductive investments that mostly served to enrich the company's executives. That still happens sometimes, but changing the rule would make it worse.
Goodnight, all.
Corporations are not actually required to put shareholder value first. This is a myth. A corporate charter can include that the company will always focus on sustainability above profit, or some other ethical goal.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:42:14am |
re: #301 freetoken
wow...... :)
to the last question on inheritance, that would require a diverse group of people who, hopefully, are acting in good faith, to come up with guidelines. Like what the folks that wrote the Constitution and started USA. We just need to understand their concerns and adjust to today.
The way I look at it is if a person has enough wealth so that the Country they are a Citizen of no longer matters to them, that can be a problem. Very rarely can these mega rich attain those riches without their Country providing the infrastructure to do so. Are there no mega rich Patriots? Oh yeah, Buffet and few others that vote Dem might fit, but you never really know.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:43:09am |
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:44:25am |
re: #309 boxhead
I sort of felt uncomfortable to ask...
Tact has never been a strong suit of mine...."WTF is that on your face?"
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:46:12am |
re: #308 boxhead
"Citizenship" itself is a concept that might need to pass away.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:46:31am |
re: #309 boxhead
I sort of felt uncomfortable to ask...
If someone posts about neckties, it's OK to talk about soup stains.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:47:01am |
re: #306 EdDantes
If our laws were designed to prevent aristocracy they have failed. They have only managed to compel farmers to sell (and other concerns) outright, or piecemeal.
yes... I have seen this happen in my lifetime. And it happened before in USA leading up to the Great Depression. This will not change until money is removed from the election process. This will not change until all forms of donations are removed from all of Government.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:47:44am |
re: #310 RogueOne
Tact has never been a strong suit of mine..."WTF is that on your face?"
lol, but pointing out food on a person's face is really a kindness.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:50:24am |
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:50:31am |
re: #311 freetoken
"Citizenship" itself is a concept that might need to pass away.
I am not in that camp. Mainly because different Countries can have wildly different values on the things that I care about. I value, still, being a Citizen of USA.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:51:45am |
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:52:15am |
re: #312 Decatur Deb
If someone posts about neckties, it's OK to talk about soup stains.
I am kind of laughing trying to find the hidden meaning in your words... lol
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:53:06am |
re: #311 freetoken
"Citizenship" itself is a concept that might need to pass away.
Corporate Serfdom (for the lucky). Corporate Samurai, Holy Roman Corporations.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:53:32am |
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:53:55am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:54:05am |
re: #319 boxhead
I am kind of laughing trying to find the hidden meaning in your words... lol
It's early here--just admitting I brought it all up.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:54:09am |
re: #320 Decatur Deb
Corporate Serfdom (for the lucky). Corporate Samurai, Holy Roman Corporations.
Mh. Shadowrun-ish
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:54:24am |
re: #317 boxhead
If you think citizenship-less-ness is weird... have a look at the future:
[Link: www.forbes.com...]
Would transhumans, humanity 2.0, need "citizenship"?
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:56:06am |
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:57:25am |
re: #320 Decatur Deb
Corporate Serfdom (for the lucky). Corporate Samurai, Holy Roman Corporations.
Sir, what we have here is what we call a non-repeating phantasm, or a class-5 free roaming vapor, real nasty one too.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:57:34am |
re: #323 Decatur Deb
It's early here--just admitting I brought it all up.
Plus, when one updings a divorce comment they should inquire whether the person is happy or not about it, right?
My first, and only, divorce was one of the best things that ever happened to me. My thought at the time was the same as your response. I didn't want to wake up a decade later realizing I had just wasted 10 years of my life.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:58:10am |
re: #326 Decatur Deb
Sci-Fi reference?
Shadowrun is a role-playing game set in a near-future fictional universe in which cybernetics, magic and fantasy creatures co-exist. It combines genres of cyberpunk, urban fantasy and crime, with occasional elements of conspiracy fiction, horror, and detective fiction.
[…]
In the Shadowrun setting megacorporations control the lives of not only their employees, but command entire armies (the 10 biggest corporations in the world have extraterritoriality, such as now enjoyed by foreign heads of state). Technology is highly advanced and cyberware and bioware (cybernetically enhanced body parts or augmented parts grown in a vat then implanted in place of natural organs) are common. The computer crash of 2029 and various conflicts and plagues have reshaped the political and financial landscape of the world. Now when conflicts arise the corporations, governments, even wealthy individuals, and organized crime subcontract their dirty work to specialists, those who then perform "shadowruns" or missions undertaken by deniable assets without identities or those that wish to remain unknown. The most skilled of these specialists, called shadowrunners, have earned a reputation for getting the job done. They have developed a knack for staying alive, and prospering, in the world of Shadowrun.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:58:56am |
re: #325 freetoken
If you think citizenship-less-ness is weird... have a look at the future:
[Link: www.forbes.com...]
Would transhumans, humanity 2.0, need "citizenship"?
Just talking aesthetics, but that kind of stuff could drive me back to the Church. As in Canticle for Leibowitz.
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boxhead Wed, Nov 16, 2011 3:59:43am |
re: #325 freetoken
If you think citizenship-less-ness is weird... have a look at the future:
[Link: www.forbes.com...]
Would transhumans, humanity 2.0, need "citizenship"?
Only if they can pass a Turing Test. :)
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:00:42am |
re: #330 000G
I highly enjoyed the German novels Deutschland in den Schatten*, btw. Nothing like reading about neonazis battling against turkish Orcs or the North Sea having turned into a toxic wasteland haunted by ghosts.
*: cover: Image: Sr7204-germany_sourcebook.jpg
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:01:35am |
re: #311 freetoken
"Citizenship" itself is a concept that might need to pass away.
It's a sad state of affairs when a citizen can get Rick rolled.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:01:46am |
re: #334 000G
Who are the good guys?
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:03:17am |
re: #335 EdDantes
It's a sad state of affairs when a citizen can get Rick rolled.
I got most of my friends with that one.
So, don't feel too bad.
:P
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:03:53am |
re: #336 Sergey Romanov
Who are the good guys?
Some indivuals, and even then only in certain situations. There is no group that is unambigiously "good".
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freetoken Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:04:03am |
re: #335 EdDantes
It's a sad state of affairs when a citizen can get Rick rolled.
If it's on the internet, it will be rick rolled.
But seriously, our concepts of "citizenship" haven't been around that long, and who's to say it can't be replaced by something else that will be more useful in the context of the future?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:04:37am |
re: #330 000G
Cool, and telling that I didn't even consider gaming as a form of literature. Watching the military from the inside for the last 30 years really made me feel uneasy. Some of the bright new ideas have immense downsides that are papered over by economics and technology. We might not have a post-Modern military, but it's definitely going post-Homeric.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:06:18am |
re: #339 freetoken
If it's on the internet, it will be rick rolled.
But seriously, our concepts of "citizenship" haven't been around that long, and who's to say it can't be replaced by something else that will be more useful in the context of the future?
I don't think I would have a problem asking people to earn their citizenship.
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:08:05am |
re: #339 freetoken
"Citizenship" was major in the Roman empire two thousand years ago. I bet they were not rick rolled I can tell you!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:09:36am |
re: #341 Decatur Deb
Cool, and telling that I didn't even consider gaming as a form of literature.
Oh yeah, especially traditional RPGs are very story-telling driven. Akin to improv theater, in a way.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:10:07am |
re: #342 RogueOne
I don't think I would have a problem asking people to earn their citizenship.
That implies it would still have value. At some point it seems less significant than buying a new hat. My example is the entertainment millionaires who change countries for tax purposes.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:13:41am |
re: #283 EdDantes
And our federal government decides what is earned and unearned and takes the difference?
Well, they do know best.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:15:43am |
re: #345 Decatur Deb
((shhh,,,, we haven't told him yet,,,,, but word has it that my sons been accepted,,,, Haven't received the official letter yet, but on the web page under Application Status it says "accepted"))
WAR EAGLE!
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:16:34am |
re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, they do know best.
and if not the feds then Bloomberg...because he cares so much.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:16:39am |
re: #344 000G
Oh yeah, especially traditional RPGs are very story-telling driven. Akin to improv theater, in a way.
All of my gaming was in turn-based Civ series. At times you could feel you were writing Alternate History, and the later versions recognized that in a re-cap feature.
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:16:44am |
re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, they do know best.
Indeed. That is why we elect those immoral bastards.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:16:54am |
re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
((and don't fret.... we're still coming to visit VT after the 1st of the year))
HokieBird
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:18:13am |
re: #348 RogueOne
and if not the feds then Bloomberg...because he cares so much.
I love nurse Bloomberg! He keeps me safe from myself.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:19:42am |
re: #347 sattv4u2
((shhh,,, we haven't told him yet,,, but word has it that my sons been accepted,,, Haven't received the official letter yet, but on the web page under Application Status it says "accepted"))
WAR EAGLE!
Congrats, I think (two of mine went there). Quite seriously, Auburn has a bigger problem than the clap--prepare him to stay clear of the Von Mises nuts.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:21:46am |
re: #349 Decatur Deb
All of my gaming was in turn-based Civ series. At times you could feel you were writing Alternate History, and the later versions recognized that in a re-cap feature.
Heh, in one game I developed nuclear weapons while most were still in the Medieval Age.
TAKE THAT VIKINGS!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:23:23am |
re: #353 Decatur Deb
Congrats, I think (two of mine went there). Quite seriously, Auburn has a bigger problem than the clap--prepare him to stay clear of the Von Mises nuts.
Okay ,, I'll bite ,, Que !?!?!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:23:37am |
re: #354 Varek Raith
Heh, in one game I developed nuclear weapons while most were still in the Medieval Age.
TAKE THAT VIKINGS!
Heh. It was neat that nukes became more realistic through the series. Around Civ2 use was pretty much a game-ender.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:24:05am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:24:34am |
One sign I would obey.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:24:45am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:24:54am |
re: #357 Varek Raith
Nutty economic.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
K ,, thanks
(Thank God he's going into engineering!!)
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:24:55am |
re: #356 Decatur Deb
Heh. It was neat that nukes became more realistic through the series. Around Civ2 use was pretty much a game-ender.
Ever play Alpha Centauri?
The planet busters in that were epic.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:25:49am |
re: #355 sattv4u2
Okay ,, I'll bite ,, Que !?!?!
It's Lew Rockwell's libertarian variant think-tank. Seems to have some influence on the student thinking (or else they're just assholes).
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:27:40am |
re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
no,, THIS is "different"
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]
Teacher Accused Of Masturbating In Class
,,he was fired for allegedly masturbating behind a podium while teaching class.
At least he was multi-tasking!
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:27:51am |
re: #360 000G
Ha.
Just A Lot Of Poorly Drawn Women and Muslims Getting Punched #NewFrankMillerComics
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:29:56am |
re: #362 Varek Raith
Ever play Alpha Centauri?
The planet busters in that were epic.
That was the point of Sid Meyer's split--I think I stayed on the Civ4 path. (I disable the space-race finish because the AI so often crapped on a laboriously-constructed world.)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:31:31am |
K ,, sons off to school
I'm off to nap
Day off, so I have to rest up for all the work I have ahead of me today
wait , What ??
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:31:44am |
So, Varek, are you playing Skyrim too?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:32:25am |
re: #364 sattv4u2
no,, THIS is "different"
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]
Teacher Accused Of Masturbating In Class,,he was fired for allegedly masturbating behind a podium while teaching class.
At least he was multi-tasking!
Don't often find that kind of passion in a math teacher. Now those geographers...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:33:28am |
re: #364 sattv4u2
no,, THIS is "different"
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]
Teacher Accused Of Masturbating In Class,,he was fired for allegedly masturbating behind a podium while teaching class.
At least he was multi-tasking!
Several years ago there was a whole judge and, IIRC, his penis pump. In the workplace, of course.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:34:03am |
And I am not a cop hater by any stretch - more than one officer in the family - but those NYC cops and Mayor Mike can suck it.
[Link: twitter.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:34:43am |
re: #371 Sergey Romanov
Several years ago there was a whole judge and, IIRC, his penis pump. In the workplace, of course.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:36:45am |
re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
Heh, thanks. I didn't know if there was a happy end.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:37:06am |
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:37:21am |
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:38:10am |
re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
I couldn't read it all. Thank you for the gross out of the day.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:38:49am |
re: #376 iossarian
I love happy endings.
Apparently there were several in this case.
Investigators later checked the carpet, Thompson's robes and the chair behind the bench and found semen, according to court records.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:39:17am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:39:49am |
re: #377 EdDantes
I couldn't read it all. Thank you for the gross out of the day.
I stopped here:
Investigators later checked the carpet, Thompson's robes and the chair behind the bench and found semen, according to court records.
GAK!!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:40:36am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:40:40am |
re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar
I stopped here:
Investigators later checked the carpet, Thompson's robes and the chair behind the bench and found semen, according to court records.GAK!!!
It's OK, that's where the story reached its climax anyway.
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:41:01am |
re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar
I stopped here:
Investigators later checked the carpet, Thompson's robes and the chair behind the bench and found semen, according to court records.GAK!!!
No more, please!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:41:14am |
re: #382 Sergey Romanov
It's OK, that's where the story reached its climax anyway.
Please. No pun threads so early.:)
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:41:50am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:42:23am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:42:51am |
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:43:12am |
I hate people who prey on the elderly.
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
Arizona telemarketers defrauded nearly 5,000 people, many of them elderly, of $6.3 million in a scam that used victims' credit-card limits to determine how much to charge them for setting up a "web mall" from which they allegedly would get commissions, the Arizona attorney general says. Telemarketers exchanged notes on their victims such as "'Old dude, has no clue' and 'living on social security,'" according to the complaint.
Four Arizona LLCs and 11 Arizonans who live in or around Phoenix are the defendants. Christopher Lewallen and James Lewallen Jr. are the lead individual defendants. They ran defendants Solid Ad Solutions, Solid Tech Solutions, Freedom Billing, and E-Web Financial.
They should get serious jail time as well as fines and restitution.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:43:28am |
That judge we're talking about? Busted again.
[Link: www.newson6.com...]
Posted: Jul 19, 2011 3:44 PM UTC Updated: Jul 19, 2011 9:59 PM UTC
SAPUPLA, Oklahoma -- A former Creek County judge has been arrested again.The Creek County Sheriff's office confirmed Donald Thompson was arrested for DUI early Tuesday morning and booked into the Creek County jail.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:44:34am |
re: #390 Sergey Romanov
Also:
In March, a Creek County judge dismissed a protective order against Thompson because his ex-girlfriend failed to show up in court. The girlfriend said Thompson had been stalking her and had threatened to kill her.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:44:41am |
re: #382 Sergey Romanov
It's OK, that's where the story reached its climax anyway.
What's going on? I came to this late. It's hard on Wednesday mornings for some reason to stiffen my resolve and start reading. It seems like fatigue erects a firm barrier, even after I've lubricated my brain with coffee.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:45:03am |
re: #390 Sergey Romanov
That judge we're talking about? Busted again.
[Link: www.newson6.com...]
That guy needs a hobby...wait....
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:45:31am |
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:45:52am |
re: #392 Obdicut
What's going on? I came to this late. It's hard on Wednesday mornings for some reason to stiffen my resolve and start reading. It seems like fatigue erects a firm barrier, even after I've lubricated my brain with coffee.
Just to clue you in: we're talking about wanking.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:46:55am |
re: #395 iossarian
Just to clue you in: we're talking about wanking.
Wanking? Thank God. I thought we were talking about guys jerking off.
/
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:48:37am |
re: #395 iossarian
Just to clue you in: we're talking about wanking.
Is Subaru still making the Wanking? Thought they had a problem with the seals.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:51:57am |
Your God's false too, Chief.
ALL HAIL ZOD!
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:52:13am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:53:50am |
It's 6:51 AM and we've completed the dick-pun requirement. Gonna be a good day.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:55:36am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:58:59am |
re: #401 Decatur Deb
It's 6:51 AM and we've completed the dick-pun requirement. Gonna be a good day.
Does that finally make us pundicks?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:00:37am |
Sent out a resume yesterday because there was an ad online. Nice little cover letter and all. Got a response back:
"We will begin accepting applications on Thursday".
Why do I want to work for stoopid people?
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:01:21am |
re: #404 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sent out a resume yesterday because there was an ad online. Nice little cover letter and all. Got a response back:
"We will begin accepting applications on Thursday".
Why do I want to work for stoopid people?
Stoopid people with money = best kind
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:01:32am |
Found out that a friend of mine from high school died. His nickname was "Bear". Friendliest fella you'd ever meet.
Don't think I ever saw him when he weighed under 500lbs.
Sometimes when you hear that someone your age died you're surprised. Sometimes you're not surprised at all.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:06:25am |
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:10:22am |
re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Very sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:14:09am |
Kinda on-topic.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:16:52am |
Christmas present idea for snorers...
Robotic bear pillow stops your snoring by gently mauling your face (video)
Looking to stop snoring? What you need is Jusui-Kun, a robot bear that paws your face while you're sleeping. Okay, it's more of a "gentle tickling," according to the bear's creators. The key is to get the snorer sleeping on the pillow to move his or her head from side to side. Jusui-Kun has a built-in mic to detect the sleeper's snoring, while an equally cuddly hand monitor detects blood oxygen levels, letting the bear know when to issue one of its loving face swipes. Video after the break.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:17:15am |
Morning Lizardim. Frigidly cold here in the wild north country, but with not a cloud to be had, that's expected (and truth be told, rather welcome).
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Fart Knocker Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:21:40am |
re: #413 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizardim. Frigidly cold here in the wild north country, but with not a cloud to be had, that's expected (and truth be told, rather welcome).
Rainy and mild in our nation's capital. Went for a run in the liquid sunshine this morning.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:25:31am |
re: #412 NJDhockeyfan
Christmas present idea for snorers...
Robotic bear pillow stops your snoring by gently mauling your face (video)
[Video]
When she was a toddler, our kid had a "Hav-a-Heart Bear". It was a stuffed animal with a comforting sound box that went "Thump-thump; Thump-thump". One night it kept us awake because it was lodged against the nursery wall opposite our bedroom. She awoke at 2AM to see me tear her bear's velcro chest open and pull its heart out.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:26:36am |
Alrighty. I haven't shaved in a week. Guess today is the day. I also hate my job. Good times!!! See y'all tonight.:)
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:27:09am |
re: #418 Cannadian Club Akbar
Alrighty. I haven't shaved in a week. Guess today is the day. I also hate my job. Good times!!! See y'all tonight.:)
When is shower day?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:35:33am |
Time for dog's morning walk--try to hold him off because we set off all the other dogs in the neighborhood. BBL
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:45:31am |
re: #407 Obdicut
Apropos:
[Video]Best comedy including the phrase "Fucksquatch" ever.
Ah, Patton Oswalt, renowned Best Show fan and guest
/Daily WFMU Pimpage
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:53:08am |
Keith Olbermann Reports Rep. Allen West ‘Boasts’ About Being Member Of White Supremacist Biker Gang
On Monday night’s Countdown, host Keith Olbermann gave Rep. Allen West (R-FL) top honors in his “Worst Persons” segment, ostensibly for “admitting” (and even “bragging”) that he was a member of a white supremacist motorcycle gang, after denying any connection to such a gang for the past year or so.
While West’s courtship of motorcycle clubs like The Outlaws is still worthy of scrutiny, the fact is that he made no such admission.
...
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mdey Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:00:44am |
re: #422 NJDhockeyfan
Allen West is a scumbag. Nobody denies that. He will be voted out, or redistricted out.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:05:16am |
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darthstar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:11:53am |
re: #425 lawhawk
Why have to choose? He's doing both! :)
Hell, for a half million dollars, I'd build Gingrich a splash screen with a paypal link.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:22:06am |
re: #424 darthstar
Mornin' everyone.
Who needs campaign finance reform when scumbags like Newt can take $10 from Right-Wing Uncle Rick and shovel it off to some faceless PAC (which will then hire a handy ex-politician like, say, Newt Gingrich, down the road for consultancy services at $500 an hour)?
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:32:53am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:34:16am |
OMG! Lizards, if you haven't, click Randall's link and scroll down to see the picture of the daughters. Does it look like they want to part of their parent's insanity?
What a haunting picture.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:41:45am |
DC Shooting Suspect Could Be Threat to Obama, Police Say
ABC News has learned authorities are increasingly concerned that a man sought in connection with a bizarre shooting incident on the Washington Mall last week may pose a threat to President Obama.
The Secret Service now suspects that a bullet fired in this incident may have hit the White House after a bullet round was found in a White House window, though the round had not yet been conclusively linked to the incident. The round was stopped by ballistic glass behind the historic exterior glass, while an additional round has been found on the exterior of the White House.
...
It’s unclear whether Ortega is capable of launching a sophisticated attack, but police are still fearful of what he might do next.Authorities suspect Ortega has been in the area for weeks, coming back and forth to the Washington Mall. Before the shooting, he was detained by local police at an abandoned house. U.S. Park police say Ortega may have spent time blending in with Occupy D.C. protesters.
Yikes!
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:43:20am |
re: #427 iossarian
Who needs campaign finance reform when scumbags like Newt can take $10 from Right-Wing Uncle Rick and shovel it off to some faceless PAC (which will then hire a handy ex-politician like, say, Newt Gingrich, down the road for consultancy services at $500 an hour)?
Nice scam if you can work it.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:48:17am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:53:26am |
Man accused of exposing self at Occupy Austin
A man has been accused of exposing himself to a 16-year-old girl at the Occupy Austin encampment.
Twenty-year-old Jarod Smith, arrested on Sunday, is charged with indecency with a child. He was being held in the Travis County correctional complex on Tuesday on $15,000 bond. The jail did not have attorney information for him.
According to an arrest affidavit, the teen told police she saw the suspect masturbating at about 6 a.m. Sunday while looking at her in the amphitheater at City Hall Plaza, home to the Occupy Austin encampment.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:57:19am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:58:23am |
Oooh, I didn't know today was American Censorship Day.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 6:59:14am |
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darthstar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:00:53am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:01:48am |
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:02:22am |
re: #438 darthstar
I'm equal opportunity. Masturbation for everyone!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:02:47am |
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darthstar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:02:53am |
Women in MRIs, teachers, OWS protesters...everyone is masturbating...except me...well, someone has to watch.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:04:13am |
re: #442 darthstar
And Facebook claims to have fixed its porno-palooza problem, where graphic images were being posted via malicious browser scripts into Facebook.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:04:37am |
re: #440 Obdicut
I'm equal opportunity. Masturbation for everyone!
Much more reasonable than doing it at Nordstrom.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:05:03am |
One of 10,000+ reasons I hate GEMA, the German equivalent of the RIAA:
Music Rights Group Claims Money From Creative Commons Event
German music rights group GEMA is known for its strict copyright regime, but sometimes they take things too far. The group recently claimed money from the organizers of a dance event where only Creative Commons music was played. The organizers informed GEMA beforehand about their royalty free status, but the group suspects foul play and demands cash.
ccMusic royalty collection agencies are known for going to extremes as they go about their business and the practices of Germany’s GEMA are a good example of just how far these merciless outfits can go.
The group recently sent an invoice to the organizers of a dance event where only Creative Commons licenced music was played.
The organizers of the event had informed GEMA beforehand that they would only play royalty-free CC music, but the music rights group isn’t buying this ‘excuse’.
After inspecting the list of tracks that were played, GEMA sent a 200 euro invoice to the organizers. The group claims that some of the artists on the list are very familiar to “pseudonyms” that are also registered with GEMA.
Since German case law dictates that the burden of proof lies with the people who hosted the event, the organizers now have to prove that these artists are not associated with GEMA. This is a problem, since these netlabel artists are often hard to trace, and some are not even known publicly by their full names.
An absurd, unworkable and totally outdated situation.
[Link: torrentfreak.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:05:53am |
re: #440 Obdicut
I'm equal opportunity. Masturbation for everyone!
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darthstar Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:05:59am |
Okay...it's after 7...time to go walk the dogs.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:06:00am |
re: #432 000G
Watch The World’s First Footage Of A Female Brain During Orgasm
Is there one for the male brain?
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erik_t Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:09:06am |
Commentariat: I am viewing used cubicles today with the mind of the company purchasing perhaps half a dozen. Any recommendations or things to watch for?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:09:56am |
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Interesting Times Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:09:57am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:10:09am |
re: #449 erik_t
Commentariat: I am viewing used cubicles today with the mind of the company purchasing perhaps half a dozen. Any recommendations or things to watch for?
soup stains?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:10:30am |
LOL:
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:11:19am |
re: #424 darthstar
Mornin' everyone.
Geez.
I use a template website at webs.com to keep a website for our neighborhood Civic Association. Costs me about $150 a year; and the deal is I will pay the website cost in lieu of paying the dues every year. I could actually make money for doing this?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:12:34am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:15:19am |
re: #454 reine.de.tout
Geez.
I use a template website at webs.com to keep a website for our neighborhood Civic Association. Costs me about $150 a year; and the deal is I will pay the website cost in lieu of paying the dues every year. I could actually make money for doing this?
Sure, just ad about 1.5M to the $150 you charge the Civic Association for the website. Call it, "consultation fees".
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:16:38am |
re: #456 ggt
Sure, just ad about 1.5M to the $150 you charge the Civic Association for the website. Call it, "consultation fees".
So - I could be rich? But I'm not? Something wrong with my value system . . .
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:18:24am |
re: #457 reine.de.tout
Have you had weird weather? Something wicked this way comes. Our overnight low was only 72.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:18:51am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:19:15am |
re: #458 Decatur Deb
Have you had weird weather? Something wicked this way comes. Our overnight low was only 72.
I'd say.
[Link: www.weather.com...]
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:21:18am |
re: #460 Varek Raith
I'd say.
[Link: www.weather.com...]
Yeah--we have a protected wind chime we call the 'hurricane bell'. It's going like mad now.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:21:49am |
re: #459 000G
Makes sense
[Video]
I remember when my son was like that as a baby, I'd hold him tight and match breath for breath. I think they just need all senses to be synchronized with the heartbeat for some reason.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:22:13am |
re: #461 Decatur Deb
Yeah--we have a protected wind chime we call the 'hurricane bell'. It's going like mad now.
Tornado Warning for:
Chilton
Clarke (Alert #1)
Clarke (Alert #2)
Dallas
Monroe
Perry
Washington
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:22:22am |
re: #457 reine.de.tout
So - I could be rich? But I'm not? Something wrong with my value system . . .
You just have a low sense of self-importance.
/;)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:24:50am |
re: #463 Varek Raith
Tornado Warning for:
Chilton
Clarke (Alert #1)
Clarke (Alert #2)
Dallas
Monroe
Perry
Washington
Our NOAA radio is quiet--going to check it.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:27:21am |
re: #465 Decatur Deb
Our NOAA radio is quiet--going to check it.
I just checked the website for my area. Quiet and rather nice.
Calm before the storm, I suspect.
I was in the City yesterday. It was gorgeous. Sunny, mild, low wind factor. Only wore a sweater.
Strange for November.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:28:00am |
re: #462 ggt
I remember when my son was like that as a baby, I'd hold him tight and match breath for breath. I think they just need all senses to be synchronized with the heartbeat for some reason.
It's familiar. It's what they get used to hearing while in mom's belly, and anything resembling it outside in the new, scary world is an anchor of normality and serenity. Like a proto safety blanket.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:29:35am |
re: #467 000G
It's familiar. It's what they get used to hearing while in mom's belly, and anything resembling it outside in the new, scary world is an anchor of normality and serenity. Like a proto safety blanket.
#1 son heard a lot of IBM Selectric--hated it.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:29:40am |
re: #467 000G
It's familiar. It's what they get used to hearing while in mom's belly, and anything resembling it outside in the new, scary world is an anchor of normality and serenity. Like a proto safety blanket.
The amplification of the sound waves (mimicking the experience in the womb) is probably very comforting.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:31:20am |
re: #468 Decatur Deb
#1 son heard a lot of IBM Selectric--hated it.
I LOVED THAT TYPEWRITER.
When my mom retired, she bought her's for $1 from her former employer--she was the only one left in the building that still used one (LOL). They didn't need it.
When she and my Dear Ole' Dad sold the house she sold it at a garage sale. Could have SCREAMED.
I'd give anything to have one.
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Lidane Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:31:25am |
Morning, Lizards!
If anyone thinks that Rick Perry is a credible candidate for POTUS, they should be afraid. He wants to turn Congress into Texas:
Despite housing the second largest population and economy in the nation, the Lone Star state’s legislature meets only once every other year and its members are paid a small annual stipend of $7,200. While a number of states also feature low-paid, part-time “citizen legislators,” most are smaller and more rural with less complex governments to oversee.
“The Texas situation is not one you’ll find anyplace else,” Peverill Squire, a political science professor at University of Missouri and senior editor at Legislative Studies Quarterly, told TPM.
But deliberately reducing the state legislature’s role in running the government means that someone has to step in and fill the void. In Texas, its the various state boards and commissioners who end up with outsized power. And while the governor is traditionally a relatively weak executive, if they hang around long enough to install their favored appointees — like Perry has — they can accrue an impressive amount of influence.
“It’s just really hard for the legislature get things done withen your government is run by a hundred boards and commissions appointed by a governor who has next to no voice in the legislature,” Bob Stein, a professor of political science at Rice University, told TPM.
“They give the governor a lot of power. Even with Republicans with large majorities, the chairman of finance couldn’t move anything without the governor’s blessing.”In addition, Squire says that legislators who work part-time tend to have lower levels of relevant information about the relevant issues when they the legislature is in session. The result is that they’re even more reliant on help from outside groups, a situation that good government advocates won’t necessarily be thrilled to hear.
Government entirely by bureaucrat and lobbyist, on an even greater scale than exists now, and with a Legislature that would only meet every other year? Thanks but no.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:33:40am |
re: #470 ggt
You're a year late--sold one for 3 bucks at our garage sale. Army was not allowed to type very classified stuff on them because they had a unique vulnerability.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:35:25am |
re: #472 Decatur Deb
You're a year late--sold one for 3 bucks at our garage sale. Army was not allowed to type very classified stuff on them because they had a unique vulnerability.
Ah well, it would probably end-up with the rest of my crap in the storage unit!
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:36:56am |
Bother Puppy may be renamed: Damnit! Puppy.
LOL
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:42:25am |
BBC drops Frozen Planet's climate change episode to sell show better abroad
British viewers will see seven episodes, the last of which deals with global warming and the threat to the natural world posed by man.
However, viewers in other countries, including the United States, will only see six episodes.
The environmental programme has been relegated by the BBC to an “optional extra” alongside a behind-the-scenes documentary which foreign networks can ignore.
Campaigners said the decision not to incorporate the episode on global warming as part of the main package was “unhelpful”.
They added that it would allow those countries which are sceptical of climate change to “censor” the issue.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:45:42am |
Only 1/5th of financial aid for Greece goes into running operations of the budget, 4/5th is used to pay down debt and interest on the debt: [Link: www.nzz.ch...]
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iceweasel Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:46:11am |
re: #475 000G
That sucks. Jimmah and I have been watching Frozen Planet; it's really good.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:47:29am |
re: #477 iceweasel
That sucks. Jimmah and I have been watching Frozen Planet; it's really good.
It's probably available thru some internet venue that I'm too old to figure out.
Although my 60 yo friend figured-out how to get the new Dr. Who on the internet . . .
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:48:45am |
Tornado watch--time to batten things down. BBL
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iceweasel Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:49:02am |
re: #478 ggt
It's probably available thru some internet venue that I'm too old to figure out.
Although my 60 yo friend figured-out how to get the new Dr. Who on the internet . . .
It's available on BBC iPlayer in the UK, but I think if you're in the US you'd have to do some kind of internet fu to watch it.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:50:09am |
re: #480 iceweasel
It's available on BBC iPlayer in the UK, but I think if you're in the US you'd have to do some kind of internet fu to watch it.
Perhaps Amazon Streaming. Which I've yet to even look at.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:50:18am |
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:50:47am |
re: #471 Lidane
One of the problems with the NYS legislature is that it's technically a part-time legislature, and everyone seems to have a job on the side (no-show or otherwise). Money is free-flowing and the potential conflicts of interest are endless. Yet, these same legislators are getting paid as though it's a full time gig- $79k base, plus all kinds of lulus (committee assignments, party positions, etc.) that can raise salaries into the 6-digit range.
Not bad if you can get into politics (but the local political machines make that exceedingly difficult).
Turning Congress into that would be even worse than the current bad situation.
Still think that the best way to improve responsiveness is to limit political donations to only those corporeal persons who live in the districts represented - raise the dollar limit, but someone living in TX-12 shouldn't be able to donate to someone running in NY-23 (or vice versa).
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:51:00am |
re: #480 iceweasel
It's available on BBC iPlayer in the UK, but I think if you're in the US you'd have to do some kind of internet fu to watch it.
I have an account on a co-located server in the UK which I mostly use for listening to the location-restricted radio shows.
ssh -D 1234 and localhost:1234 proxy FTW!
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iceweasel Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:51:11am |
re: #482 000G
It's called using UK proxies.
yeesh.
I know, was just being funny. Apparently not successfully though!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:52:49am |
re: #482 000G
It's called using UK proxies.
yeesh.
Foxy Proxy is a good plugin for FF. Works pretty well but finding a free working UK proxy server is a bit of a challenge.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:56:00am |
re: #486 Killgore Trout
UK government manages its internet very tightly.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:56:06am |
British government undermining minimum wage with mandatory unpaid labor for the out-of-work:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
So crooked. 30 hours a week for 53 GBP jobseekers allowance. Less than $3 an hour.
Fuck the right.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:57:07am |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
Occupy L.A.: 5 charged with crimes including lewd conduct, battery
Five people at the Occupy L.A. encampment have been charged with separate crimes, including a man who allegedly exposed himself and commited a sex act in front of a child, officials said Tuesday.
Angele Chaidez, 21, faces one count of lewd conduct and one count of indecent exposure for allegedly exposing himself and masturbating in front of several people, including children, Friday on the south steps of City Hall, said prosecutors with the L.A. city attorney's office.
That same day, Zachary Isaac, 21, allegedly entered a woman's tent and called her “Satan.” After the woman asked Isaac to leave, he allegedly punched her in the face with a closed fist. Prosecutors charged him with one count of battery resulting in injury.
Robert Holland Jr., 31, allegedly waved a knife at another person on Halloween, then resisted arrest, prosecutors said. He was charged with one count of assault with a deadly weapon, one count of brandishing a deadly weapon, one count of disturbing the peace and one count of resisting arrest.
Michael Howard Thomson, 51, was charged with two counts of battery and one count of resisting arrest after getting into a physical altercation with a parent over a child, prosecutors said.
Thompson is accused of approaching a man in a tent Oct. 11 and pushing him while attempting to grab a 2-year old child, prosecutors said.Another person tried to intervene and Thompson punched him in the face, prosecutors said. When police arrived, Thompson allegedly refused to cooperate and violently resisted officers’ efforts to detain him.
Farid Ahntab, 24, faces one count each of possession of a deadly weapon, brandishing a deadly weapon, assault with a deadly weapon and resisting arrest following three separate incidents at the camp.
He allegedly brandished a knife at officers Oct. 29, tried to light a food vendor on fire with a lighter Nov. 4 and resisted arrest Nov. 11.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:58:28am |
Suspected U.S. drone missile on Pakistan Taliban stronghold kills 16 alleged militants
A suspected U.S. drone missile attack on two compounds in north-western Pakistan near the Afghan border has killed 16 alleged militants, intelligence officials said today.
The strikes in Bobar village in the South Waziristan tribal area, a stronghold of the Pakistani Taliban, took place just before midnight.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:59:20am |
re: #475 000G
BBC drops Frozen Planet's climate change episode to sell show better abroad
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
Related:
Discovery Channel To Cut Climate Change Episode From Groundbreaking Series
For the past few weeks, we've had to wait patiently while our friends across the Atlantic enjoy the BBC's seven-part Frozen Planet series on life at the poles, which won't air in the U.S. until the new year.
This sequel to Blue Planet and Planet Earth -- two of the greatest programs to have ever come through my television -- took four years, dozens of cameramen, 28 helicopters and 2 ice-breaking ships to make. The effort has been described by producer Vanessa Berlowitz as perhaps "our last chance to record these astonishing wildernesses that have existed untouched by humans for millennia and that, within a century, may change beyond recognition."
Series narrator Sir David Attenborough, who has previously been reluctant to discuss the human environmental footprint in his films, spends the final episode "on location, talking to the camera in his own measured words about shrinking glaciers, warming oceans and the threat posed by man-made global warming," according to The Guardian.
But now we learn that after earning "massive ratings" from Planet Earth and collaborating with BBC to produce the sequel, the Discovery Channel will not air the climate change episode of Frozen Planet in the U.S. due to a "scheduling issue."
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
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RadicalModerate Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:59:25am |
House Republicans are at it again. I guess that since declaring ketchup as a vegetable in the 1980s didn't fly too well with people, they decided to modify their strategy.
By again declaring pizza sauce as a vegetable.
Congress pushes back on healthier school lunches
WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress is fighting to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines, picking apart an Obama administration proposal to make school lunches healthier.
A spending bill released late Monday would unravel school lunch standards proposed by the Agriculture Department earlier this year, forcing USDA to pull back an attempt to limit potatoes on the lunch line, delaying limits on sodium and delaying a requirement to boost whole grains.
The spending bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a vegetable, as it is now. The department's proposed guidelines would have attempted to prevent that.
The changes had been requested by food companies that produce frozen pizzas, the salt industry and potato growers. Some conservatives in Congress have called the push for healthier foods an overreach, saying the government shouldn't be telling children what to eat.
[...]
A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school lunches also criticized the spending bill. Mission: Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a national security issue because obesity is the leading medical disqualifier for military service.
"We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language that would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the school lunch program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the group, said in a letter to members of Congress before the final plan was released. "It doesn't take an advanced degree in nutrition to call this a national disgrace."
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:59:57am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:00:35am |
re: #490 NJDhockeyfan
Occupy L.A.: 5 charged with crimes including lewd conduct, battery
The city is working on negotiating and end to the LA camp. This is really getting way out of control. The thing with the 2 year old is really creepy.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:01:45am |
re: #495 Killgore Trout
The city is working on negotiating and end to the LA camp. This is really getting way out of control. The thing with the 2 year old is really creepy.
Once we get around to banning courtrooms because of the penis pump judge, everyone will be safe again!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:02:33am |
re: #458 Decatur Deb
Have you had weird weather? Something wicked this way comes. Our overnight low was only 72.
We had tornado watch last night.
And not one drop of rain. It was all north of us.
But it's very warm today - breezy, and a bit cloudy, so coolness is on the way. I hope.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:03:29am |
Two men burned in tent fire in Olympic Plaza, makeshift home to Occupy Calgary protesters
Two people suffered minor burns to their hands overnight after a tent caught on fire in Olympic Plaza, where Occupy Calgary protesters are camping.
The injured men, ages 19 and 20, were taken to hospital with minor burns on their hands from grabbing the molten tent material, according to EMS spokesman Stuart Brideaux.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:04:02am |
re: #496 iossarian
Quartermaster Clerk: One Swedish-made penis enlarger.
Judge: [to Vanessa] That's not mine.
Quartermaster Clerk: One credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis enlarger signed by Judge.
Judge: I'm telling ya baby, that's not mine.
Quartermaster Clerk: One warranty card for Swedish-made penis enlarger pump, filled out by Judge.
Judge: I don't even know what this is! This sort of thing ain't my bag, baby.
Quartermaster Clerk: One book, "Swedish-made Penis Enlargers And Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag Baby", by Judge.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:05:51am |
re: #495 Killgore Trout
The city is working on negotiating and end to the LA camp. This is really getting way out of control. The thing with the 2 year old is really creepy.
Hannity On Occupy Wall Street: "Thugs," "Sex In Public," "Nud[ity]," "Anti-Semitism," "Filth," Oh My
Whitewash: Fox Host Tries To Dismiss "Fox News Lies" Chants
Carlson: It's "About Time" Occupy Wall Street Protesters Were Removed From Zuccotti Park
Fox & Friends Applauds NYPD's Evicting OWS Protesters: "Good Riddance"
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:07:16am |
re: #498 Killgore Trout
Two men burned in tent fire in Olympic Plaza, makeshift home to Occupy Calgary protesters
What's next, you reporting on people twisting their ankle while protesting?
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Interesting Times Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:08:08am |
re: #492 000G
Discovery Channel To Cut Climate Change Episode From Groundbreaking Series
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Disgusting. First NPR quavers and cowers before the Koch-worshipping right wing, and now Discovery? I hope there's an online petition to address this (e.g. "Tell Discovery not to give in to corporate censorship").
I might even start one myself if not...and before anyone heaps ridicule upon the idea, remember Molly Katchpole
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:10:53am |
re: #500 000G
Right wing propaganda!Poll: Public Opinion Turning Against Occupy Wall Street
A new national survey from Public Policy Polling (D) finds public opinion souring pretty quickly on the Occupy Wall Street movement.
The poll asked: “Do you support or oppose the goals of the
Occupy Wall Street movement?” The result was only 33% support, to 45% opposed.In the previous poll from a month ago, when the protests were fairly new and public opinion had not yet had the chance to set in, the result was a very close 35% support, to 36% opposed.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:11:38am |
re: #501 000G
What's next, you reporting on people twisting their ankle while protesting?
Fire hazard has been a big concern with the camps.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:12:54am |
re: #504 Killgore Trout
Fire hazard has been a big concern with the camps.
Your Big Concern is noted.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:15:25am |
re: #506 iceweasel
Big Concern is selling us out! /
Small independent trolls are finding themselves squeezed by Big Concern!
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RadicalModerate Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:15:30am |
re: #501 000G
What's next, you reporting on people twisting their ankle while protesting?
This is main part of the story Killgore linked:
CALGARY — Two people suffered minor burns to their hands overnight after a tent caught on fire in Olympic Plaza, where Occupy Calgary protesters are camping.
The injured men, ages 19 and 20, were taken to hospital with minor burns on their hands from grabbing the molten tent material, according to EMS spokesman Stuart Brideaux.
One man is believed to be the sole occupant of the tent, and the other man was a bystander, who reached in to pull him to safety.
If this hadn't occurred at Olympic Plaza, it wouldn't have even made the newspaper. Tent fires occurring during camping aren't that uncommon, and minor (first-degree) burns? You have got to be kidding me.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:15:44am |
re: #504 Killgore Trout
Fire hazard has been a big concern with the camps.
Breaking news! Concerned citizens wrinkle their noses! Stay tuned!
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Donna Ballard Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:16:14am |
Ok Kids, get this. Michelle Bachman is saying that the Candidates running for the Republican Nomination aren't "Conservative" enough. She just plugged her website Your text to link... as a way to show the differences between Pres. Obama and the candidates. Whats wrong with this picture?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:18:07am |
re: #503 Killgore Trout
Right wing propaganda!Poll: Public Opinion Turning Against Occupy Wall Street
Well, I hope you are proud of yourself.
/
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Donna Ballard Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:18:43am |
re: #510 Dragon_Lady
Ok, I just went to the website, looks like my link isn't working. I'll try again in a moment.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:19:10am |
re: #512 Dragon_Lady
You mean [Link: www.nosurprises2012.com...] not [Link: www.nosurprises2011.com...]
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Donna Ballard Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:22:29am |
The website is not coming up at all, I wonder if its crashed or she got the address wrong? I vote for wrong address... Well that's Michelle Bachman for you, she can't even get her own website address right. Oh what a surprise //
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Lidane Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:22:50am |
re: #510 Dragon_Lady
Bachmann is also pulling out the HPV vaccine nonsense she was flogging before:
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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bratwurst Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:23:29am |
re: #511 000G
Well, I hope you are proud of yourself.
/
Just imagine what he could have accomplished if he hadn't been inhibited by the extreme leftists around here!
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Donna Ballard Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:24:10am |
re: #513 000G
You mean [Link: www.nosurprises2012.com...] not [Link: www.nosurprises2011.com...]
Ok, I was right, she definitely said 2011. I heard it with my own ears. Brilliant Michelle, and I want you as president why?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:24:40am |
re: #511 000G
Well, I hope you are proud of yourself.
/
Heh. Despite the increasing abuse I'm actually quite satisfied with myself. I just chalk it up to the Cave Allegory, it's just human nature.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:25:57am |
re: #516 bratwurst
Just imagine what he could have accomplished if he hadn't been inhibited by the extreme leftists around here!
I know. Our censorship efforts and laws against thought crimes are quite draconian.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:26:24am |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
Heh. Despite the increasing abuse I'm actually quite satisfied with myself. I just chalk it up to the Cave Allegory, it's just human nature.
Wait, you're proud of the fact that you're just watching images dance on the cave wall, while we all try to tell you about the reality outside?
Not getting it.
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Kronocide Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:27:55am |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
Heh. Despite the increasing abuse I'm actually quite satisfied with myself. I just chalk it up to the Cave Allegory, it's just human nature.
Are you the one chained in the cave?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:28:15am |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
Heh. Despite the increasing abuse I'm actually quite satisfied with myself. I just chalk it up to the Cave Allegory, it's just human nature.
You flatter yourself. I know that from somewhere.
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Donna Ballard Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:28:25am |
re: #515 Lidane
Bachmann is also pulling out the HPV vaccine nonsense she was flogging before:
[Link: www.politico.com...]
She's just so smart. NOT! For heavens sake, whats next? Don't see a doctor, you might die? // Ugh!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:28:39am |
re: #520 iossarian
Wait, you're proud of the fact that you're just watching images dance on the cave wall, while we all try to tell you about the reality outside?
Not getting it.
Keep reading. Like the bible it's one of those things everybody should have a working knowledge about. It's the basis for a lot of literature and movies.
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bratwurst Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:29:01am |
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:30:34am |
re: #524 Killgore Trout
Keep reading. Like the bible it's one of those things everybody should have a working knowledge about. It's the basis for a lot of literature and movies.
I am reasonably familiar with the (self-aggrandizing) thoughts of Plato, thanks.
I think his conceptualization of objective reality is deeply flawed though.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:31:29am |
Interesting tidbit I missed from that TPM article....
Another question: “Do you have a higher opinion of the Occupy Wall Street movement or the Tea Party movement?”
The result: Tea Party 43%, Occupy Wall Street 37%. Last month, Occupy Wall Street had a narrow advantage of 40%-37%
The Tea Party got a 3% bump in the past month without doing anything. It's within the margin or error but it could also be that OWS made the Tea Party look more sane by comparison.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:32:50am |
re: #482 000G
or just torrents. easier anyway.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:32:51am |
re: #528 Killgore Trout
Interesting tidbit I missed from that TPM article...
The Tea Party got a 3% bump in the past month without doing anything.
I'm sure Fox News didn't mention the Tea Party at all in the past month (or that if it did, it was even-handed in its criticism of the TP and OWS).
/
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Kronocide Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:34:04am |
OWS Concern Syndrome.
Not as bad as OWS Derangement Syndrome.
Maybe OWS Obsession Syndrome.
OWSOS. Yeah, I like that.
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Donna Ballard Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:34:24am |
I hope you all have a great day, I just wanted to pop in and see if anyone was interested in the latest Michell Bachman debacle. Later all! Keep Laughing!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:34:40am |
re: #524 Killgore Trout
Keep reading. Like the bible it's one of those things everybody should have a working knowledge about. It's the basis for a lot of literature and movies.
I just familiarized myself with it:
[Link: www.infowars.com...]
/I am well familiar with it.
The Allegory of the Cave is one of Alex Jones' favorite pieces of trivia because he can use it to give credence to his authority as master of perception, towering above the cowardly and deceived sheeple.
Sound familiar?
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Fart Knocker Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:35:34am |
re: #525 bratwurst
No, he's modestly comparing himself to Plato.
Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Man in Black: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:35:55am |
re: #530 iossarian
I'm sure Fox News didn't mention the Tea Party at all in the past month (or that if it did, it was even-handed in its criticism of the TP and OWS).
/
Probably not many mentions even of Fox News. There hasn't been a Tea Party event in months. I haven't been watching the debates but I haven't even noticed the GOP candidates mentioning the Tea Party. It's pretty much dead on gone as far as I can tell.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:36:33am |
re: #533 000G
I just familiarized myself with it:
[Link: www.infowars.com...]
The Allegory of the Cave is one of Alex Jones' favorite pieces of trivia because he can use it to give credence to his authority as master of perception, towering above the cowardly deceived sheeple.
It's perhaps the canonical expression of some people's belief that they simply understand the world better than other people.
Leads to all kinds of fun paternalism, and of course absolves the believer from actually asking other people what they think, and trying to understand their point of view.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:36:47am |
re: #504 Killgore Trout
Fire hazard has been a big concern with the camps.
I, frankly, no longer believe you care about the safety of people who are in those camps.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:37:11am |
re: #534 rwdflynavy
Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Man in Black: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Vizzini is the only celebrity impression I can do reasonably well.
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Lidane Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:37:35am |
re: #535 Killgore Trout
You can't be serious. The prevailing meme on the right, including blogs, talk radio, and Faux News, has been in comparing OWS to the Tea Party 24/7.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:37:48am |
Next: We all live in the matrix.
Save us, Neo!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:38:34am |
Occupy Wall Street vows vengeance after Zuccotti raid
As protesters trickled back into Zuccotti Park without their tents and tarps last night, they pledged to make tomorrow’s International Day of Action one this city will never forget.
“On the 17th, mark my words, we’re going to burn this city down,” said Nkruman Tinsley, 29.
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Fart Knocker Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:39:26am |
re: #538 Killgore Trout
Vizzini is the only celebrity impression I can do reasonably well.
Man in Black: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Vizzini: Wait til I get going!!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:39:50am |
re: #539 Lidane
You can't be serious. The prevailing meme on the right, including blogs, talk radio, and Faux News, has been in comparing OWS to the Tea Party 24/7.
OK, I don't watch fox or listen to wingnut radio. I'll take your word for it.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:40:33am |
Are there issues with some of the OWS encampments involving illegal activities? Yes - but do they rise to the level of indicting the entire movement? No.
These encampments were open to anyone gathering within the umbrella of OWS so you can have unsavory types piggybacking on the OWS. Some crime can be attributed to these individuals preying on others at the encampments, but that's not the fault of the OWS movement.
Do these encampments threaten public health? It would have to be a case by case basis - and within Zuccotti Park (the one I'm most familiar with since I've frequently viewed it first-hand and not just from photos/video taken by others), there was some effort to keep things clean, but the numbers of tents and people made that increasingly difficult to do; the disposal of waste was especially problematic but not something that couldn't be overcome by better sanitation practices within the encampment. Local businesses do have legitimate gripes - and at least one restaurant I frequent here has suffered from the protests, including seeing human waste dumped among the regular refuse of the restaurant. That's a public health hazard despite the procurement of port-o-pottys nearby at the UFT headquarters a few blocks south on Broadway. Several other restaurants have shuttered their restrooms to paying customers because of damage done by protesters (and there are already too few restrooms in Lower Manhattan to service those visiting all the attractions here - and none are available at the 9/11 memorial).
Still, I wasn't all that inconvenienced by the protesters at the park - there were enough other places to go, but for those located closer to Wall Street and the NYSE, the protests meant far more inconveniences. The noise issues are overblown, and the drumming was nothing compared to the ongoing construction at the WTC and the steady stream of trucks bringing in equipment, materials, and personnel into the WTC site. I guess that's why I was so amused; the juxtaposition of the protesters complaining about Wall Street and financing, all while some of that same financing was helping get the WTC complex rebuilt and paying for the construction workers who would eat along the fringes of the park as the protest encampment grew to take over the entire park.
I continue to be bemused by the protests and am impressed by the level of media coverage they've gotten despite the fact that they haven't been successful at anything other than occupying open space/parks for a period of time. The pushback by conservatives is also amusing because they're throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the protest movement despite the incoherent messages.
Fact is that the NYPD clearing out the park may lead OWS into a new phase where they can accomplish more by pushing real policy changes - and taking the focus off the encampments and whatever problems are reported. Some within the OWS are actually looking towards this and even the Adbusters outfit is contemplating something similar.
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Lidane Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:40:33am |
*sigh*
We're destined for more sanctimonious, condescending OWS concern trolling today, aren't we? Wake me up when it's over. I'm off. Maybe I'll find something more interesting to keep me busy.
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Interesting Times Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:40:41am |
re: #530 iossarian
I'm sure Fox News didn't mention the Tea Party at all in the past month (or that if it did, it was even-handed in its criticism of the TP and OWS).
I think it's worth looking at the poll itself (PDF)
Do you support or oppose the goals of the Tea
Party movement?
Support ........................................................... 42%
Oppose ........................................................... 45%
Not sure .......................................................... 13%
Do you support or oppose the goals of the
Occupy Wall Street movement?
Support ........................................................... 33%
Oppose ........................................................... 45%
Not sure .......................................................... 22%
Do you have a higher opinion of the Occupy
Wall Street movement or the Tea Party
movement?
Occupy Wall St. .............................................. 37%
Tea Party ........................................................ 43%
Not sure .......................................................... 20%
Those are very high "not sure" numbers for OWS, which, to me, indicate messaging confusion more than anything else. It's also something that can very easily be fixed.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:41:38am |
re: #541 NJDhockeyfan
I also thought this was an interesting story....
Questlove predicted Occupy Wall Street raid
The guy knew the raid was coming but everybody ignored him.
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Gus Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:42:04am |
re: #545 Lidane
*sigh*
We're destined for more sanctimonious, condescending OWS concern trolling today, aren't we? Wake me up when it's over. I'm off. Maybe I'll find something more interesting to keep me busy.
Yeah. I'm hanging out here less and less. That's good though since I can get more things done. But at this rate all of this OWS trolling has made me lose interest.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:42:18am |
re: #541 NJDhockeyfan
They were already planning that before the Zuccotti Park was cleared.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:43:05am |
re: #544 lawhawk
Thanks for this perspective. You're a conservative who also lives near, so it's doubly valuable. Tired of hysterics.
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iceweasel Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:43:13am |
re: #548 Gus 802
Yeah. I'm hanging out here less and less. That's good though since I can get more things done. But at this rate all of this OWS trolling has made me lose interest.
Same here. It's all OWS, all the time. I thought the trolling would stop with Zucotti Park being cleared. Guess not.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:43:41am |
re: #535 Killgore Trout
Probably not many mentions even of Fox News. There hasn't been a Tea Party event in months. I haven't been watching the debates but I haven't even noticed the GOP candidates mentioning the Tea Party. It's pretty much dead on gone as far as I can tell.
So easily debunked:
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
re: #543 Killgore Trout
OK, I don't watch fox or listen to wingnut radio. I'll take your word for it.
So you're making stuff up now?
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:44:11am |
re: #550 Sergey Romanov
Neoliberal. Not conservative, although there's enough of an overlap to give you a break :)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:44:41am |
re: #551 iceweasel
I guess it's just important to prove that we're some sort of deluded hypocrites, or something. Doesn't seem to be about OWS as such any longer.
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iceweasel Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:45:40am |
re: #554 Sergey Romanov
I guess it's just important to prove that we're some sort of deluded hypocrites, or something. Doesn't seem to be about OWS as such any longer.
It's about hippie punching.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:45:46am |
Which news site has more "Mom's Weird Trick" scam ads? Foxnews.com or Huffingtonpost.com?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:46:08am |
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Gus Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:46:30am |
re: #551 iceweasel
Same here. It's all OWS, all the time. I thought the trolling would stop with Zucotti Park being cleared. Guess not.
Indeed. I thought that it might slow down if not stop. It hasn't and in fact it's increasing to a certain degree. It's also being framed in a very divisive manner. All of the threads, yes, all of the threads have been thread-jacked with anti-OWS trolling for almost 6 weeks now. They don't even respect the 100 comment rule and rarely use the acronym "OT" before posting yet another OWS concern troll post. I am also at my limit with having to deal with the emotional nature of this stunt.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:46:36am |
Fox Cites Non-Existent Part Of The Constitution To Hype Argument For Kagan Recusal
Three glaring problems with this argument: The Constitution has no Article 28, has no Section 144, and does not contain the language quoted.
The Constitution actually contains seven articles, none of which have more than 10 sections. It also has 27 amendments, none of which contain anywhere near 144 sections.
The language Fox quoted from actually comes from a statute passed by Congress, Title 28 of the U.S. Code, Section 455. But that's the very statute legal ethicists have analyzed in finding that Kagan does not need to recuse herself because of the email.
Lol
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:47:01am |
re: #554 Sergey Romanov
It was clear that that was what it was ever since the "Fuck you, moonbats" post, and every other meltdown post after that that he did not regret or walk back just keeps confirming it.
But ssshhh, pointing it out is abuse.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:47:22am |
re: #557 Alouette
Which news site has more "Mom's Weird Trick" scam ads? Foxnews.com or Huffingtonpost.com?
The real Mom's Weird Tricks involve getting nasty messes off of things, but nobody's selling ads for those.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:48:47am |
I think posting 18 hours a day brings out the worst in people....just an observation
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:48:49am |
re: #561 000G
Well, yeah. It's kinda annoying-cum-amusing, but what can one do. It's human nature.
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Fart Knocker Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:49:33am |
re: #559 Gus 802
Indeed. I thought that it might slow down if not stop. It hasn't and in fact it's increasing to a certain degree. It's also being framed in a very divisive manner. All of the threads, yes, all of the threads have been thread-jacked with anti-OWS trolling for almost 6 weeks now. They don't even respect the 100 comment rule and rarely use the acronym "OT" before posting yet another OWS concern troll post. I am also at my limit with having to deal with the emotional nature of this stunt.
New topic: Crowsfeet are neither crows nor feet. Discuss.
//
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:50:19am |
Pervasive video recording of goddamn everything may help teens deal with bullying.
ACLU threatens lawsuit against Unioto
At a press conference Monday in Columbus, James Hardiman, legal director for the ACLU of Ohio, said the advocacy group would represent the family of Zach, a Unioto High School freshman who was attacked by a classmate Oct. 17, reportedly because he's openly gay.
Video of the attack, recorded with a cellphone by another student and later posted online, went viral on the Internet, drawing attention from observers worldwide.
Joined by Zach and his mother, Hardiman said he hopes to resolve the situation by way of an informal meeting with Union-Scioto administrators rather than through legal action. Hardiman requested the sit-down in a letter sent Friday to Union-Scioto Superintendent Dwight Garrett and Unioto High School Principal Jim Osborne.
"We have reached out to the school to make certain they understand and appreciate what we're trying to accomplish," Hardiman said. "We will not hesitate, however, if a response is not forthcoming, to take appropriate legal action."
Special Needs Student Films Teacher Going Psycho on Him
In hindsight, it's regrettable that nobody believed 15-year-old Julio Artuz when he told them he was being bullied and humiliated by one of his teachers. People believe him now, though, because Artuz used his cellphone-video machine to catch his orange-shirted teacher in the act.
Artuz, who attends Bankbridge Regional School in New Jersey, told NBC that his enraged teacher's comments made him "feel like I'm trash." So he used the technology that God gave him and collected himself some damning evidence. After watching his video, we get the feeling that his teacher—who has been placed on administrative leave pending action by the local education board—won't be in a position to swear and threat to kick his ass anymore:
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:51:01am |
re: #564 Sergey Romanov
I still think it's performance art. Celebrating violence while tut-tutting about violence is classic dada.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:51:11am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:53:25am |
re: #566 Obdicut
LOL, Russian blogs are all abuzz with a video from one of the schools. A 15 y.o. boy wrote some derogatory remarks on a "United Russia" agitation placard and was called to the school principal. He was smart enough to record it, and it's a hoot (although it's also everything one would expect from "small officials" who don't give a damn and who do what the "people above" tell them).
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:53:45am |
re: #565 rwdflynavy
New topic: Crowsfeet are neither crows nor feet. Discuss.
//
On the other hand:
Teacup: is a cup, but not made out of tea.
Macbook: is a Mac, but not a book.
Bigfoot: a mythical creature characterized as having big feet.
?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:54:00am |
re: #544 lawhawk
Fact is that the NYPD clearing out the park may lead OWS into a new phase where they can accomplish more by pushing real policy changes - and taking the focus off the encampments and whatever problems are reported. Some within the OWS are actually looking towards this and even the Adbusters outfit is contemplating something similar.
That does tie in well with the analysis of the PPP poll....
....what the downturn in Occupy Wall Street’s image suggests is that voters are seeing the movement as more about the ‘Occupy’ than the ‘Wall Street.’ The controversy over the protests is starting to drown out the actual message.
Closing down the camps is doinf the movement a favor. It's saving them from their own poorly conceived plan and self defeating bad publicity.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:54:50am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:58:11am |
re: #570 iossarian
On the other hand:
Teacup: is a cup, but not made out of tea.
Macbook: is a Mac, but not a book.
Bigfoot: a mythical creature characterized as having big feet.?
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Fart Knocker Wed, Nov 16, 2011 8:58:27am |
re: #570 iossarian
On the other hand:
Teacup: is a cup, but not made out of tea.
Macbook: is a Mac, but not a book.
Bigfoot: a mythical creature characterized as having big feet.?
Don't get me started on driveways and parkways!!!
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:00:47am |
re: #575 Gus 802
I am a tea cup.
Short and stout.
I'm a hippie puncher
Old and slow
Wind me up
And watch me go
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:02:32am |
I'm Popeye the sailor man
I live in a frying pan
I turn up the heat
And burn up my feet
I'm Popeye the sailor man
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:02:50am |
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Fart Knocker Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:04:38am |
re: #578 Obdicut
Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate; now what's going to happen to us with both a Senate and a House?
Will Rogers
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:05:01am |
What do people think is going to come out of the deficit reduction committee?
I'm vaguely following the various trial balloons (GOP may agree to minuscule tax increases, Dems may consent to large budget cuts etc.) but am not very clued in on whether any specifics are forthcoming yet?
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Gus Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:05:32am |
Mississippi Woman Receives Three Year Prison Sentence For Feeding Her Family
Last week, a federal court in Mississippi sentenced a key figure in a $3 million mortgage fraud scheme to two and a half years in federal prison. Just a few days earlier, however, a Mississippi federal judge imposed a significantly harsher sentence on a woman who lied on her benefits applications in order to receive just $4,367 in food stamps to help feed her family...
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:06:58am |
re: #580 iossarian
GOP will hostage-take, Dems will cave, agree to cuts in social programs and the military, the GOP will attempt to restore military funding, Obama will try to veto it and the GOP will campaign on him hating the military.
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Gus Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:07:28am |
@MotherJones Mother Jones
Illinois high school suspends teacher two weeks for playing @TheDailyShow in class: [Link: t.co...]
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iossarian Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:08:14am |
re: #582 Obdicut
GOP will hostage-take, Dems will cave, agree to cuts in social programs and the military, the GOP will attempt to restore military funding, Obama will try to veto it and the GOP will campaign on him hating the military.
Ha. That's pretty much my assumption too, but thanks anyway!
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Gus Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:09:56am |
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
In the 90s, Romney called homosexuality "perverse" and "reprehensible." [Link: thkpr.gs...]
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:11:18am |
re: #483 lawhawk
One of the problems with the NYS legislature is that it's technically a part-time legislature, and everyone seems to have a job on the side (no-show or otherwise). Money is free-flowing and the potential conflicts of interest are endless. Yet, these same legislators are getting paid as though it's a full time gig- $79k base, plus all kinds of lulus (committee assignments, party positions, etc.) that can raise salaries into the 6-digit range.
Not bad if you can get into politics (but the local political machines make that exceedingly difficult).
Turning Congress into that would be even worse than the current bad situation.
Still think that the best way to improve responsiveness is to limit political donations to only those corporeal persons who live in the districts represented - raise the dollar limit, but someone living in TX-12 shouldn't be able to donate to someone running in NY-23 (or vice versa).
Are corporations only limited to donating in the district their corporate headquarters is located in in this scheme?
(Though if it was I presume the immediate dodge would be organizing the interlocking shells and hierarchies of subsidiary corporations to give wider representation in any case.)
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:13:34am |
re: #586 oaktree
Under my scheme, no corporate donations would be allowed - nonprofit, profit, etc. You would have to be a person to donate to a candidate.
Unfortunately, since so many lobbyists are out there - this would put them out of business. Hence, it wouldn't happen.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:20:10am |
re: #422 NJDhockeyfan
Keith Olbermann Reports Rep. Allen West ‘Boasts’ About Being Member Of White Supremacist Biker Gang
Yep, it's a dumb confederate, "white supremacist biker gang", or not.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:23:46am |
re: #537 Sergey Romanov
I, frankly, no longer believe you care about the safety of people who are in those camps.
Pfft, when did he ever.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:25:33am |
re: #587 lawhawk
You and I probably disagree on a lot, but we agree on that. However, it'd have to be combined with laws that limit spending by corporations on propaganda related to elections, too, though, or it would be pretty toothless.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:27:34am |
re: #589 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Pfft, when did he ever.
Yet ironically I'm one of the few willing to highlight safety concerns, rapes, attempted kidnappings and violence in the OWS camps while the "suuporters" of the movement do their best to dismiss the problem and downding the links.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:28:27am |
re: #591 Killgore Trout
Your ironic concern has been noted.
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Gus Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:30:07am |
re: #591 Killgore Trout
Yet ironically I'm one of the few willing to highlight safety concerns, rapes, attempted kidnappings and violence in the OWS camps while the "suuporters" of the movement do their best to dismiss the problem and downding the links.
You have truly made a great sacrifice during these hard times.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:30:26am |
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recusancy Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:31:24am |
Call your congress person about SOPA. Especially if you live in Texas, Michigan, Vermont, or Iowa. Backgound on SOPA here.
Live feed of the hearing here: [Link: judiciary.house.gov...]
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:36:45am |
There was some discussion about the possibility of police releasing their own video of the protests for public scrutiny. Here in Portland the police decided to do it....
Police release additional footage of Occupy Portland protester injured during camp eviction
Unfortunately the video is edited so you don't see the entire incident or the moment the protester falls to the ground. I'd say it's inconclusive.
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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:40:36am |
re: #598 Killgore Trout
There was some discussion about the possibility of police releasing their own video of the protests for public scrutiny. Here in Portland the police decided to do it...
Police release additional footage of Occupy Portland protester injured during camp eviction
Unfortunately the video is edited so you don't see the entire incident or the moment the protester falls to the ground. I'd say it's inconclusive.
If it's both edited and inconclusive, treat it like a Brietbart edited video.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:42:13am |
re: #599 Gus 802
I control your horizontal and vertical
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:44:41am |
On yesterday's Zuccotti Park clean up:
"This is not some coincidence. This was planned and I think the question really has to be asked of the federal government and of the Obama administration. Why? Why? Why are you participating in this against a non-violent mass movement of people who are upset at what Wall Street and the banks have done to their lives?"
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:45:05am |
re: #603 Gus 802
Hey! Quit doing that!
//
Just slap the right side of your screen really really hard!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:47:27am |
re: #591 Killgore Trout
Yet ironically I'm one of the few willing to highlight safety concerns, rapes, attempted kidnappings and violence in the OWS camps while the "suuporters" of the movement do their best to dismiss the problem and downding the links.
e_e
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