Tea Partiers and Fundamentalists in Romney Panic

Right wing nuts throughout America have a bad feeling after New Hampshire
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Tea Partiers and religious social conservatives are now in a sheer panic at the prospect of a Mitt Romney candidacy, desperately hoping that some last minute far right savior will appear to rescue them from the dreaded Mormon moderate.

(Romney’s not really a “moderate” at all, of course, but compared to the teabaggers and fundamentalists…)

A near-panic has taken hold among some core conservative activists, who are now scrambling to devise a strategy to deny Mitt Romney the Republican presidential nomination.

Many of these activists see South Carolina’s primary on Jan. 21 as their last best hope of stopping Romney by consolidating in a united front against him. But many acknowledge that they have yet to figure out which of the remaining conservative rivals to rally behind and which should get out.

The tension is exacerbated by the deep divisions between two key GOP wings: tea party groups yearning for a pure small-government conservative, and evangelical Christians who want a loyal social conservative.

In one sign of their desperation, some activists are holding out for what they acknowledge is a spectacular long shot: a late-entering savior who could still qualify for enough state ballots and win enough delegates to force a brokered GOP convention this summer.

“Save us, Sarah Palin! You’re our only hope!”

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127 comments
1 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:34:14am

LOL@GOP

2 albusteve  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:34:50am

sort of a holy war...MAN THE WALLS!
buncha fruitcakes

3 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:35:44am

Saw this coming. And this is just on the Mormon paranoia. Wait until they start looking further into his record as governor.

4 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:35:59am

The Mormon Mandate

Had to type that out, it just sounds silly.

5 Tumulus11  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:36:05am

. I've got it - we'll steal his magical underwear.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:37:15am

re: #3 Gus 802

Saw this coming. And this is just on the Mormon paranoia. Wait until they start looking further into his record as governor.

Yes, we obviously intend to replace Andrew Jackson with Joseph Smith on the $20. We figure that most Americans are too historically illiterate to notice.

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:37:33am

Third Party run, pretty please!

8 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:39:42am

Mitt should be just as exciting as the GOP candidate who ran against Bill Clinton in 1996. What was his name? Blob Dull?

9 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:41:05am

So, which non-Romney will go third-party?

I'm thinking Luap Nor, who can plug into the Libertarian infrastructure (such as it is).

I truly believe it would be in america's best interest if all the other candidates ran independently for president! Klondike Barbie, also!

10 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:41:23am
Romney’s not really a “moderate” at all, of course,

Damn right he's not. Time for a repost, Lidane...

11 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:43:05am

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

Third Party run, pretty please!

Can't be Ron Paul though. That will suck off Obama voters as well. For obvious reasons previously stated here at LGF. ;)

12 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:43:42am

re: #8 Alouette

Mitt should be just as exciting as the GOP candidate who ran against Bill Clinton in 1996. What was his name? Blob Dull?

Actually, Romney looks a lot like a reflection of Kerry. Subtract the military service, add Bain.

13 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:44:00am

the fact that mitt is dominating the field proves that republican rank and file will never stand for a massachusetts moderate who put in socialized medicine and that the tea party represents the views of the majority of the american people

after all, the united states is a center right nation whose views are to the right of the majority at the center

14 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:44:44am

And unfortunately Ron Paul could be used as a "secret weapon" come November. If does a third party run he'll get a lot of the "legalize pot and stop the endless wars!!11ty" voters.

15 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:45:27am

A brokered convention would be very interesting.

16 zora  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:45:29am

from the link:

The Romney conundrum will be on the agenda Friday when about 150 evangelical leaders huddle at a Texas ranch to debate their next move. Likewise, the subject of consolidating conservative opposition to the former Massachusetts governor is expected to be a major point of discussion among about 500 attendees at a tea party convention set for this weekend in Myrtle Beach, S.C., where the list of speakers includes two Romney rivals seeking the conservative mantle, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.

this should be an interesting meeting.

17 zora  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:47:32am

re: #14 Gus 802

i don't think he'll run as a third party candidate. it will mess things up for his son who i expect will be the next paul to run for president.

18 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:47:56am

re: #15 Obdicut

A brokered convention would be very interesting.

Oh, man. The ensuing brawls and boo-fests would be ratings gold.

I'd stock up on popcorn and hole up on my couch for the duration.

19 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:48:22am

Something interesting to look through.

Romney + RINO on Twitter

Some major freakage going on there.

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:48:25am

re: #16 zora

from the link:

this should be an interesting meeting.

I thought these people were against secret meetings like the Bilderbergers.

Will their meeting be open to the public?

21 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:48:26am

once the inevitability sets in, we'll be subjected to months of helpful suggestions about how palin, christie, or some other moron as vp will make him acceptably right wing flavored

wake me up when it's over

22 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:49:09am

re: #17 zora

i don't think he'll run as a third party candidate. it will mess things up for his son who i expect will be the next paul to run for president.

Palin would be perfect. She would definitely not attract any crossover votes.

23 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:49:13am

re: #16 zora

from the link:

this should be an interesting meeting.

they'll never agree

24 Lidane  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:50:09am

re: #15 Obdicut

A brokered convention would be very interesting.

A brokered convention would be hilarious. I would actually subject myself to the Republican convention if it was brokered, and I'd be armed with booze and popcorn for the occasion.

25 Sionainn  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:51:15am

re: #6 EmmmieG

Yes, we obviously intend to replace Andrew Jackson with Joseph Smith on the $20. We figure that most Americans are too historically illiterate to notice.

That's probably true...the historically illiterate part.

26 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:51:37am

re: #6 EmmmieG

Yes, we obviously intend to replace Andrew Jackson with Joseph Smith on the $20. We figure that most Americans are too historically illiterate to notice.

Before you know it y'all will be letting men have multiple wives (which will be proof that you're in league with the Islamic supremacists, who get to have up to four).

LOL, it's gonna be soooo tough on the wingnuts if Romney gets the nomination—how to attack POTUS as being The Other™ if your own guy is a scary other-y type too? Lots of 'splodey head cognitive dissonance there.

27 EiMitch  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:51:37am

Romney is going to be the '12 GOP candidate, purely by default. For all the teabaggers' chagrin, they totally dropped the ball on finding someone else. In the absence of a plausible candidate, the prototypical flip-flopping, say-anything, sellout politician with the least scandalous baggage always wins. In this case, Romney.

28 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:53:33am

i've never seen a major party nomination that was accompanied by such a major freakout of the base

wonder what the ultimate result will be

29 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:53:41am

re: #15 Obdicut

A brokered convention would be very interesting.

But it won't happen, not based on what we're seeing.

1) 80% of delegates are assigned delegates. ~1/3 of assigned delegates come from winner-take-all dates. Romney should get all of them given it's a plurality issue. Romney gets ~27% of total here.

2) ~20% of delegates are unassigned aka super-delegates. Using history as a guide, Romney will get half to 3/4. Call it 2/3 for simplification, or another 13% of total. He's now at ~40%.

3) 2/3 of assigned delegates are assigned proportionally. However, it's only those who top 10% or 15%, or top three, or both. New Hampshire is an example; only Romney (7), Paul (3), and Huntsman (2) got delegates. Romney's plurality tends to become at least half of actual assignments. That's half of 2/3 of 80%, or 1/3 of 80%, or another ~27%.

At this time Romney is looking at ~67% of total delegates.

30 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:54:13am

332 Lidane Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:16:27am

Way to reach out to Latino voters, Mitt--

Romney Touts Support Of Creator Of Arizona Anti-Immigrant Law

31 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:54:19am

re: #24 Lidane

A brokered convention would be hilarious. I would actually subject myself to the Republican convention if it was brokered, and I'd be armed with booze and popcorn for the occasion.

It would result in the most epic series of 'Daily Show' episodes ever.

32 Sionainn  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:54:52am

re: #28 engineer dog

i've never seen a major party nomination that was accompanied by such a major freakout of the base

wonder what the ultimate result will be

Obama gets reelected.

33 Lidane  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:54:55am

re: #28 engineer dog

i've never seen a major party nomination that was accompanied by such a major freakout of the base

wonder what the ultimate result will be

I was a toddler at the time so I have no idea, but wasn't the 1980 election filled with a lot of drama from the Democrats?

34 Coracle  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:55:55am

re: #13 engineer dog

I don't think "dominating" is the correct term. It's certain he pulled the plurality in NH. But under 40%? I believe he'll eventually get the nom, but only because the rest of the pack won't consolidate behind one candidate to oppose him.

35 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:56:44am

re: #29 kirkspencer

Caveat to my points. If someone besides Romney takes first in SC and/or Florida it has the potential to turn into a race, and the fact Paul's pulling 15 to 20% makes a brokered convention possible.

Right now, however, Romney's looking like the winner in both those states.

36 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:57:22am

The truth is beginning to catch up with the political evangelicals and their astroturfed spin-off, the tea party: They are not a broad-based movement and they do not reflect the concerns and values of most Americans. The religious right came to dominate the GOP by leveraging the ready made network provided by the fundamentalist church industry. For the "spiritual leaders" (fundamentalist quacks) who serve as the voice and compass of the movement, it has never been about gaining real power in the secular world. It is about marketing their health supplements, videos, books, and home-schooling supplies. The attack on public education is rooted in the hope of a financial bonanza that would result from a widespread vouchers program.

37 Lidane  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:57:29am

re: #31 makeitstop

It would result in the most epic series of 'Daily Show' episodes ever.

Followed by Colbert, who would be on fire with a brokered convention.

Too bad it most likely wouldn't happen. Still, a girl can dream.

38 zora  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:58:17am

re: #23 engineer dog

they'll never agree

there will all agree that a vote for romney is a vote for satan.

39 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:58:42am

re: #38 zora

there will all agree that a vote for romney is a vote for satan.

Spread the word! ;)

40 theheat  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 10:59:57am

All the better if the evangelicals sit home and feel sorry for themselves they didn't get their biblically electable, Jesus certified, wingnut candidate. They'll just convince themselves they didn't go far right enough, and the next pulpit crusader they back needs to double down on the socon issues. It'll make the next election even that more bugeyed crazy.

But I would prefer the teabaggers and religious nuts quietly disappeared and devoured each other, all Goya-esque, leaving a clean slate for any future GOP endeavors, and being remanded to the dustbin of history as a cautionary tale.

41 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:00:50am

If I may say so, it is a national disgrace that obvious charlatans like David Barton are treated like wise men and trusted advisors by real politicians. Romney's candidacy is the beginning of the end for these fools and their illiterate, cruel, mendacious version of Christianity.

42 TDG2112  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:00:58am

I'm listening to Rush right now. It is riot. He's talking up how awful Romney is too. He like's his "Firing" comment. But I suspect he secretly wants Obama to win. His numbers are down 30% since the last election. Just imagine what would happen to his ratings if all the conservatives won Congress and Executive branch? He wouldn't have anything to cry about anymore. He needs something to rail against.

However, it does look like Fox is getting behind Romney. Just last night I was thinking they were going to come to the same conclusion. Too bad. In the end it could have destroyed conservative media credibility among Tea Party and Evangelicalism conservatives. Guess they weren't so dim as they look.

43 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:01:24am

re: #38 zora

there will all agree that a vote for romney is a vote for satan.

So in November it'll be Satan vs. the anti-Christ, as they've labelled them? Talk about lesser of two evils...

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:03:02am

re: #43 JasonA

So in November it'll be Satan vs. the anti-Christ, as they've labelled them? Talk about lesser of two evils...

Satan wears Mom jeans and doesn't drink?

Kind of a let down.

45 Lidane  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:03:25am

re: #42 TDG2112

Speaking of Rush:

Newt Shrugs Off Rush Limbaugh Freakout

46 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:03:52am

re: #44 EmmmieG

Satan wears Mom jeans and doesn't drink?

Kind of a let down.

In this case I think they both wear mom jeans. On occasion. ;)

//

47 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:03:53am
The campaign has disavowed a 2002 Gay Pride flyer championing equal rights on behalf of Romney and his running mate Kerry Healey. If they could airbrush history to remove the evidence, they would. But Josh Barro, a former Romney volunteer, says the Romney camp is full of it:

A former intern to Mitt Romney publicly stated on Monday that as a candidate for governor in 2002, the Massachusetts Republican did authorize and disseminate flyers championing equal rights for gay citizens. The statement, made by the Manhattan Institute's Josh Barro to Buzzfeed, directly contradicts what Romney's top Baywindowsspokesman Eric Ferhnstrom told The Huffington Post on Sunday.

[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]

He also planned to take part in the 2002 Pride parade.

Link

Right-wing freakout in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

48 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:05:06am

re: #47 HAL2010

[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]

He also planned to take part in the 2002 Pride parade.

Link

Right-wing freakout in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

That's gotta hurt.

49 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:05:07am

re: #33 Lidane

I was a toddler at the time so I have no idea, but wasn't the 1980 election filled with a lot of drama from the Democrats?

yes - but carter was already president

there was a big move for teddy to primary him since he looked sure to lose. then somebody interviewed teddy and asked him a fatal question: "what would a teddy kennedy presidency look like?"

his answer sucked

after that the only thing democrats had left was to sit back and watch carter lose

but i've never seen an incoming nominee suffer Massive Tissue Rejection before

50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:06:08am

re: #46 Gus 802

In this case I think they both wear mom jeans. On occasion. ;)

//

I full expect that the anti-Christ will be wearing something more like this:

[Link: www.truereligionbrandjeans.com...]

Or a silk suit. Or both, on occasion.

I have no clue what Satan would wear.

51 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:07:17am

re: #50 EmmmieG

I full expect that the anti-Christ will be wearing something more like this:

[Link: www.truereligionbrandjeans.com...]

Or a silk suit. Or both, on occasion.

I have no clue what Satan would wear.

Prada. //

52 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:07:38am

I would make #47 a page but ..

I don't know how to ..

53 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:07:48am

A Sullivan reader comment gives me a chuckle:

If Romney thinks he has a Bain problem now, just wait until this summer. The most anticipated summer film, and what will likely be the biggest film of the year, is The Dark Knight Rises. And the sociopathic villain is … Bane.

54 zora  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:09:48am

re: #43 JasonA

So in November it'll be Satan vs. the anti-Christ, as they've labelled them? Talk about lesser of two evils...

this is why evangelicals will stay home if mitt is the nominee. at least if obama is reelected, the end times can begin already.

55 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:10:08am

re: #45 Lidane

Speaking of Rush:

Newt Shrugs Off Rush Limbaugh Freakout

Let The Great South Carolina Poo Flang Commence!

56 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:10:14am

re: #44 EmmmieG

Satan wears Mom jeans and doesn't drink?

Kind of a let down.

Ha! You think you can fool the wingnuts with your Mormon version of taqiyya? They know that wholesome image is just a ruse to lull Real Americans™ into thinking you guys aren't a fiendish 5th column getting ready to steal their beloved freedoms.

57 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:10:18am

re: #52 HAL2010

I would make #47 a page but ..

I don't know how to ..

It's basically like making a comment. Don't know if there's a tutorial out there that might help. Maybe we need one?

58 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:12:02am

re: #50 EmmmieG

I full expect that the anti-Christ will be wearing something more like this:

[Link: www.truereligionbrandjeans.com...]

Or a silk suit. Or both, on occasion.

I have no clue what Satan would wear.

I think he'd wear an expensive but rather gauche silk suit, with a flower in the lapel, and have a bulky, thoroughly poofed hairstyle with a similarly over-groomed porn-star mustache; that is, he would look a lot like a televangelist.

59 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:12:12am
60 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:12:57am

re: #52 HAL2010

I would make #47 a page but ..

I don't know how to ..

Click on the "LGF Pages" link at the top right of the page (or here). Mouse over the "LGF Pages Bookmarklet" link and read the instructions there.

61 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:13:21am

When will we hear about the Mormon cultists being in cahoots with the Muslim infiltrators?

62 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:13:40am

re: #59 Gus 802

Peirs morgan is a throbbing asshole, but he isn't a savage, evil prick the same way Breitbart is.

63 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:13:46am

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel

When will we hear about the Mormon cultists being in cahoots with the Muslim infiltrators?

Any minute now.

64 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:14:33am

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel

When will we hear about the Mormon cultists being in cahoots with the Muslim infiltrators?

We are. LDS Charities and Islamic Relief have an ongoing partnership to rule the world by passing out supplies in distressed areas.

65 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:14:34am

re: #59 Gus 802

OT

Hahahaha! FAIR AND BALANCED? CNN's Morgan Calls Breitbart 'Evil'

The real news here is that a CNN pundit made an honest and accurate observation.

66 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:15:28am

re: #64 EmmmieG

We are. LDS Charities and Islamic Relief have an ongoing partnership to rule the world by passing out supplies in distressed areas.

There it is, the smoking gun. //

67 zora  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:15:56am

re: #56 CuriousLurker

Ha! You think you can fool the wingnuts with your Mormon version of taqiyya? They know that wholesome image is just a ruse to lull Real Americans™ into thinking you guys aren't a fiendish 5th column getting ready to steal their beloved freedoms.

i've actually seen comments like this at hot air. according to them it's ok for mormons to lie for jesus. but then they say mormons don't really believe is jesus. because who needs logic when you've got prejudice.

68 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:15:58am

re: #64 EmmmieG

We are. LDS Charities and Islamic Relief have an ongoing partnership to rule the world by passing out supplies in distressed areas.

A typically diabolical quadruple cross, or whatever (their treachery is so great I sometimes lose count.)

69 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:16:00am

Ron Paul wins Idaho GOP straw poll

This is embarrassing

70 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:16:02am

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

I think he'd wear an expensive but rather gauche silk suit, with a flower in the lapel, and have a bulky, thoroughly poofed hairstyle with a similarly over-groomed porn-star mustache; that is, he would look a lot like a televangelist.

How about this?

Image: The-Witches-of-Eastwick-jack-nicholson-20202373-1597-2428.jpg

71 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:16:22am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel

A typically diabolical quadruple cross, or whatever (their treachery is so great I sometimes lose count.)

We've also partnered with Catholic Charities, which means we're in league with the papists as well.

72 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:16:38am

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel

When will we hear about the Mormon cultists being in cahoots with the Muslim infiltrators?

I've actually already seen it!

[Link: www.bible.ca...]

And the 'moderate' version:

[Link: onenewsnow.com...]

73 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:17:13am

re: #65 publicityStunted

The real news here is that a CNN pundit made an honest and accurate observation.

I'm sure Piers Morgan can produce Breibart voicemails that prove how evil he is...

74 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:17:41am

re: #35 kirkspencer

The odds of someone other than Romney winning in SC or FL are diminishing by the day, and Paul's support seems to max out at about 20%. That's not the groundswell he needs to go forward as a viable alternative.

There's also the not insignificant fact that the GOP voters aren't enthused about any of the candidates. That may be playing into the lower turnout seen so far (when a GOP/TP should be rearing to mount a campaign to get Obama out of office).

75 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:18:02am

re: #71 EmmmieG

We've also partnered with Catholic Charities, which means we're in league with the papists as well.

In the Spy I read that as "partied", which made it even funnier.

76 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:18:08am

re: #69 Bubblehead II

Ron Paul wins Idaho GOP straw poll

This is embarrassing

The party says nearly 400 people from across the state cast votes in the poll, which took place Friday night at the Riverside Hotel in Boise.

Only 400 people showed up?

77 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:18:13am

re: #67 zora

i've actually seen comments like this at hot air. according to them it's ok for mormons to lie for jesus. but then they say mormons don't really believe is jesus. because who needs logic when you've got prejudice.

I'm (sadly) not surprised. I'm not looking forward to seeing another minority religion get slimed by bigots. It's a really shitty experience that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:19:13am

re: #77 CuriousLurker

I'm (sadly) not surprised. I'm not looking forward to seeing another minority religion get slimed by bigots. It's a really shitty experience that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Yeah, but it's really not a new experience.

79 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:19:55am

The most stupid, ridiculous thing is that anyone, ANYONE with half a brain could have seen this coming MONTHS AGO.

What did they expect? You just can't successfully sell a far right agenda to the American People and make it stick, as much as the TP wants you to believe otherwise.

I have no experience in politics whatsoever and even I know that independents will be key for whichever candidate (Democratic or Republican) that ends up winning the Presidency.

Independent voters have no patience for far right nonsense, that's why they've gravitated to Romney, he's the lesser of all the evils.

I mean think about this: You're an independent voter. You don't particularly like Obama's policies or his track record so far and would like to see change in Washington. At the same time, you don't care for the far right religious nonsense and would prefer to see a focus on economics/foreign policy/environmental issues etc.

What do you do? There's a TON of these people out there and realistically they have only two choices:

1) Vote for a GOP candidate they don't particularly care for because they want a change from Obama

or

2) Vote for Obama simply because there aren't many decent alternatives.

And the biggest irony of all?

All the GOP shenanigans since 2008, the shift to the far right on abortion/women's rights issues, the birther nonsense, the Sharia law stuff, All of it was designed as a push back against a "socialist tyrant in the White House"

And now all that craziness, meant to convince Americans to throw out Barack Obama at any cost, could well lead to far higher numbers of them voting for him than would if the GOP had a serious candidate running against him.

That truly astounding part, like I said above, is anyone with a brain could have seen this coming, but suddenly the right wing is like "OMG WTF happened?? NO!!!"

80 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:19:59am

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

400 people paid for the privilege of being polled. That causes bias in trying to project the results, but it does suggest an ongoing trend that Paul's supporters are more committed to supporting Paul than other candidates supporters are to their preferred candidates.

81 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:20:13am

re: #74 lawhawk

The odds of someone other than Romney winning in SC or FL are diminishing by the day, and Paul's support seems to max out at about 20%. That's not the groundswell he needs to go forward as a viable alternative.

There's also the not insignificant fact that the GOP voters aren't enthused about any of the candidates. That may be playing into the lower turnout seen so far (when a GOP/TP should be rearing to mount a campaign to get Obama out of office).

The only thing I've seen on any front of late has been Paul calling on the other Not-Romney's to quit and have their supporters boost his ticket. It's pure desperation, but on who's part, I'm unsure.

82 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:20:37am

Anyone here think there's a chance in hell of a Romney/Paul 2012 GOP ticket?

83 Gus  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:21:01am

Mark my word. If they haven't already the wingnuts will be blaming Romney on "the liberal media." Just watch. They pulled the same crap back in 2008.

84 erik_t  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:21:16am

The hilarious thing is that these reactionary loons must have convinced themselves that, though each previous reactionary loon candidate flamed out once anyone actually looked at their positions or history, the next one would surely be their golden child Not Romney standard-bearer.

Pattern recognition, how the fuck does it work?

85 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:21:25am

re: #82 dragonfire1981

Anyone here think there's a chance in hell of a Romney/Paul 2012 GOP ticket?

Luap Nor is not here, but he thinks that's possible.

86 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:22:19am

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

So they say. Apparently none of the Candidates are inspiring the base here in Idaho overly much.

87 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:22:34am

re: #45 Lidane

Speaking of Rush:

Newt Shrugs Off Rush Limbaugh Freakout

Thereby punching Newt's one-way ticket to the wilderness. He won't apologize to Limbaugh like every other Republican - way too arrogant and stubborn.

88 Lidane  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:22:41am

re: #82 dragonfire1981

Anyone here think there's a chance in hell of a Romney/Paul 2012 GOP ticket?

If that happened, the RNC would be a powder keg of comedy.

89 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:23:39am

re: #78 EmmmieG

Yeah, but it's really not a new experience.

I'm sure it's not. It's just that with all the new/social media, blog hysterics, news-as-entertainment, etc. it can be a LOT more intense now than it was even 10-20 years ago, especially in an election year when the entire country is focused on the race and your guy is a major player.

90 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:23:59am
(Romney’s not really a “moderate” at all, of course, but compared to the teabaggers and fundamentalists…)

I can't really agree with this. IMO, the "Real" Romney was Gov. Romney. He's been doing a half-hearted Tea Party Dog and Pony Show for awhile because that's been the requirement to get on stage at the GOP. If nominated he can float back to the center where he came from and hope that he wont lose the kooks because he's not "Teh Black Maoist Kenyan Upsurper!!11ty".

91 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:24:42am

re: #89 CuriousLurker

I'm sure it's not. It's just that with all the new/social media, blog hysterics, news-as-entertainment, etc. it can be a LOT more intense now than it was even 10-20 years ago, especially in an election year when the entire country is focused on the race and your guy is a major player.

You're right, it does get more intense with the internet.

Kind of like, um, bullying.

92 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:24:44am

re: #50 EmmmieG

I full expect that the anti-Christ will be wearing something more like this:

[Link: www.truereligionbrandjeans.com...]

Or a silk suit. Or both, on occasion.

I have no clue what Satan would wear.

The prices on those jeans are obscene.

93 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:25:31am

re: #91 EmmmieG

You're right, it does get more intense with the internet.

Kind of like, um, bullying.

Exactly.

94 erik_t  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:25:54am

re: #90 ArchangelMichael

The real Romney is whoever he needs to be at the moment. I reject the idea that another true Romney exists.

95 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:26:10am

re: #90 ArchangelMichael

I can't really agree with this. IMO, the "Real" Romney was Gov. Romney. He's been doing a half-hearted Tea Party Dog and Pony Show for awhile because that's been the requirement to get on stage at the GOP. If nominated he can float back to the center where he came from and hope that he wont lose the kooks because he's not "Teh Black Maoist Kenyan Upsurper!!11ty".

I don't think it's going to work this time around. Kerry tried the same think in '04, pushing himself way to the Left during the primaries to win over the Dean supporters, but when it came time for the general, he's already been tarred and feathered as an anti-war hippie in a year when the War in Iraq was still the big-ticket item.

96 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:26:19am

re: #90 ArchangelMichael

I can't really agree with this. IMO, the "Real" Romney was Gov. Romney. He's been doing a half-hearted Tea Party Dog and Pony Show for awhile because that's been the requirement to get on stage at the GOP. If nominated he can float back to the center where he came from and hope that he wont lose the kooks because he's not "Teh Black Maoist Kenyan Upsurper!!11ty".

I think you've been fooled. The "real" Romney is the one who will do what he sees as right on any given day. To choose some past version of Romney as the "real" one is fantasy.

97 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:26:22am

re: #82 dragonfire1981

Anyone here think there's a chance in hell of a Romney/Paul 2012 GOP ticket?

Not a chance. I think every Republican wants to keep an arms length away from him. The kook factor is way too high.

98 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:27:35am

re: #92 makeitstop

The prices on those jeans are obscene.

I'm pretty sure the media would point this out if any candidate tried to wear them.

99 S'latch  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:28:01am

I would not be surprised by a Tea Party/Third Party candidate running against Romney. Although it would certainly ensure that Obama is reelected, they might see that outcome as inevitable anyway. They might run as a mere spoiler calculating that it would keep the Tea Party movement going.

100 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:28:58am

re: #97 NJDhockeyfan

Not a chance. I think every Republican wants to keep an arms length away from him. The kook factor is way too high.

Except for all the Republicans voting for him in the primary and donating money to him, that is.

101 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:30:27am

re: #96 wrenchwench

I think you've been fooled. The "real" Romney is the one who will do what he sees as right on any given day. To choose some past version of Romney as the "real" one is fantasy.

Still, the claim that he's not a moderate is based on a current snapshot of Mitt Romney that is equally invalid based on this criteria. My def of "Real" was based, I guess, on actions taken by him when votes no longer was a concern.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's going to beat Obama, nor do I want him or any of these people to do so. That said I'm not packing my bags and moving out of the country if Romney wins either.

102 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:30:30am

re: #97 NJDhockeyfan

Not a chance. I think every Republican wants to keep an arms length away from him. The kook factor is way too high.

????

What evidence do you use to make that assessment?

103 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:32:16am

re: #97 NJDhockeyfan

Not a chance. I think every Republican wants to keep an arms length away from him. The kook factor is way too high.

He's placed in both primaries and he's hauling in bags of money.

Looks like at least a few Republicans are okay with him, kook factor or no.

104 erik_t  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:32:18am

re: #101 ArchangelMichael

Still, the claim that he's not a moderate is based on a current snapshot of Mitt Romney that is equally invalid based on this criteria. My def of "Real" was based, I guess, on actions taken by him when votes no longer was a concern.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's going to beat Obama, nor do I want him or any of these people to do so. That said I'm not packing my bags and moving out of the country if Romney wins either.

The natural approach in this case would be to assume that Romney would do whatever the Republican congressional leadership wanted him to do. Is that a comforting thought to you? Would it lead to his characterization as a moderate?

105 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:33:53am

re: #101 ArchangelMichael

Still, the claim that he's not a moderate is based on a current snapshot of Mitt Romney that is equally invalid based on this criteria. My def of "Real" was based, I guess, on actions taken by him when votes no longer was a concern.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's going to beat Obama, nor do I want him or any of these people to do so. That said I'm not packing my bags and moving out of the country if Romney wins either.

IMHO, a real moderate would not welcome the support of an evil man like Kris Kobach.

106 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:35:44am

re: #82 dragonfire1981

You'd be much more likely to get a Romney/Christie ticket than anyone else. Christie is Romney's most visible supporter, but then again, it doesn't work from a geographical standpoint (Romney's a Northeastern state guy - Mass, though he's got roots in MI and UT). We'd probably see a Romney short list inclusive of Christie, including someone from a southern or western state to "balance" the ticket geographically and ideologically. Nikki Haley comes to mind. So too does Jindal, but it's still way too soon.

107 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:36:05am

They're never gonna get their real "conservative". May as well just accept that now.

108 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:38:00am

re: #100 Obdicut

Except for all the Republicans voting for him in the primary and donating money to him, that is.

There are some Democrats doing the same thing. I think most of his supporters are Independents.

109 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:38:13am

re: #95 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't think it's going to work this time around. Kerry tried the same think in '04, pushing himself way to the Left during the primaries to win over the Dean supporters, but when it came time for the general, he's already been tarred and feathered as an anti-war hippie in a year when the War in Iraq was still the big-ticket item.

I definitely don't think it's going to work. I think it's what he's going to try, because he knows he wont beat Obama with only the support of kooks on the right.

110 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:38:49am

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

There are some Democrats doing the same thing. I think most of his supporters are Independents.

Why, though? Is this based on any data, or just your own fervent hope?

111 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:39:59am

re: #102 Talking Point Detective

???

What evidence do you use to make that assessment?

I'm talking about the Reps running for President. They all look at a Ron Paul presidency as dangerous.

112 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:40:56am

re: #109 ArchangelMichael

I definitely don't think it's going to work. I think it's what he's going to try, because he knows he wont beat Obama with only the support of kooks on the right.

He's going to try and end up falling flat on his face. Like Kerry, he's the compromise candidate, the guy who's getting by on being sane enough to vote for but only grudgingly. He can't make a mad dash for the center without pissing off the base that's already holding its nose to vote for him, but independents are going to be slow to trust his sudden "change of heart" and the liberals know he's full of shit.

113 William of Orange  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:44:09am

I pray for the return of the witch!

Christine O'Donnell!! For the love of God Comedy! Please, come back!!!


(Or maybe droopy Lieberman)


(Drats! He's Jewish!)

114 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:46:15am

re: #110 Obdicut

Why, though? Is this based on any data, or just your own fervent hope?

It's all over the web. Google Democrats for Ron Paul. They have quite a few websites. He's attracting the far right (evangelicals) and the far left (anti-war).

115 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:47:16am

re: #113 William of Orange

I pray for the return of the witch!

Christine O'Donnell!! For the love of God Comedy! Please, come back!!!

That's all we need is another look into her masturbation practices. No thanks.

116 William of Orange  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:47:52am

re: #115 NJDhockeyfan

That's all we need is another look into her masturbation practices. No thanks.

I would!


(Did I say that out loud?)

117 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:48:31am

re: #116 William of Orange

I would!

(Did I say that out loud?)

Shh, you'll ruin it for the rest of us!

//

118 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:53:43am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

It's all over the web. Google Democrats for Ron Paul. They have quite a few websites. He's attracting the far right (evangelicals) and the far left (anti-war).

At least one of his positions will appeal to almost anyone, and unfortunately too many people hear that one position, whatever it may be, and ignore the rest, or by political/economic ignorance become fooled into believing some of the rest.

119 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 11:59:46am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

It's all over the web. Google Democrats for Ron Paul. They have quite a few websites. He's attracting the far right (evangelicals) and the far left (anti-war).

What % of far right evangelicals do you think identify as Republicans?

The existence of other sources of support does not prove that "every Republican" wants to keep at arm's length.

So if I get you correctly, what you meant to say is that "every Republican candidate" wants to keep him at arm's length?

120 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 12:01:10pm

re: #119 Talking Point Detective

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

So if I get you correctly, what you meant to say is that "every Republican candidate" wants to keep him at arm's length?

That's it. I just can't get my thoughts into words sometimes.

121 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 12:01:45pm

re: #103 makeitstop

Looks like at least a few Republicans are okay with him, kook factor or no.

From the Department of Redundancy Department?

122 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 12:02:29pm

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

That's it. I just can't get my thoughts into words sometimes.

Good thing I never have that problem.

123 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 12:15:12pm

...

124 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 12:44:10pm

re: #79 dragonfire1981

What do you do? There's a TON of these people out there and realistically they have only two choices:

Or

3. Join the Modern Whig Party.

125 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 12:56:12pm

Romney is far more mainstream than anyone else in the GOP race with the exception of Huntsmann. If Romney gets the nomination he will certainly tack back towards the center. At that point, he will have to hope that Luap Nor bows out gracefully and doesn't go "Ross Perot" on him. Ironically, the thing the tea partiers hate about him (not far right enough) is the thing that makes him the most electable and potentially the most effective as a leader. And that is his willingness and ability to work with Dems as he did in Massachusetts. The GOP doesn't need a hyper partisan or a kook like Paul as the nominee. They need someone who has beliefs closer to the center. And while Mitt has tacked right in the primaries, I feel he is far more centrist than he wants the GOP primary voters to know.

126 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 12:57:08pm

This is a fascinating time to watch politics. Thanks, Charles!

127 sagehen  Wed, Jan 11, 2012 1:24:24pm
In one sign of their desperation, some activists are holding out for what they acknowledge is a spectacular long shot: a late-entering savior who could still qualify for enough state ballots and win enough delegates to force a brokered GOP convention this summer.

Ever since "All My Children" and "One Life to Live" were cancelled, this is what I've been praying for as well.

Probably not for the same reason as them, though.


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