1 abolitionist  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:24:02pm

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2 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:29:11pm

Romney Adviser: Romney Will ‘Stand Up Next To’ Birther Donald Trump |

Mitt Romney adviser Kevin Madden defended the campaign’s association with Donald Trump during an interview with MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell Friday afternoon, saying that the former Massachusetts governor will “stand up next to Donald Trump and he’ll talk about why he wants to be president.”

3 Targetpractice  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:33:47pm

re: #2 Kragar

Romney Adviser: Romney Will ‘Stand Up Next To’ Birther Donald Trump |

No he won't, he'll give some bullshit pablum about how Obama is a "failure" and how his "success" at Bain means he can take America into a new Golden Age.

Meanwhile, the rest of us know why he wants to be president: Because it's his "turn."

4 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:36:39pm

Romney has promised to bring unemployment down to 6% during his four years. Does he realize that he's offering a worse performance rate than the current Obama rate?

[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

5 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:38:51pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

No he won't, he'll give some bullshit pablum about how Obama is a "failure" and how his "success" at Bain means he can take America into a new Golden Age.

Meanwhile, the rest of us know why he wants to be president: Because it's his "turn."

Note he did not say stand up to him, as to refute, but said "stand next to", as to support.

6 Targetpractice  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:42:02pm

re: #5 Kragar

Note he did not say stand up to him, as to refute, but said "stand next to", as to support.

I was speaking towards the "he’ll talk about why he wants to be president" bit, which we all know will be well-rehearsed, high-octane horseshit. He's not running because he thinks that Obama's a "failure" or because his country needs him or whatever asinine excuse his speech writers think up. He's running because he's white, he's rich, and he thinks that's all it takes to be president.

7 erik_t  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:43:33pm

re: #5 Kragar

Note he did not say stand up to him, as to refute, but said "stand next to", as to support.

Well, 'stand next to', as in be vaguely in the same vicinity thereof, to be interpreted as necessary depending on the prevailing breeze.

c.f. 'see'. Usage: 'I see the sign' can mean anything from 'At least one photon reflected from that sign stimulated a cell in my retina' to 'I held up that sign and posed with it for a picture'.

8 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:43:59pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I was speaking towards the "he’ll talk about why he wants to be president" bit, which we all know will be well-rehearsed, high-octane horseshit. He's not running because he thinks that Obama's a "failure" or because his country needs him or whatever asinine excuse his speech writers think up. He's running because he's white, he's rich, and he thinks that's all it takes to be president.

"Its not fair that rich people only get one vote each while unions get hundreds!"

9 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:46:42pm

re: #7 erik_t

Well, 'stand next to', as in be vaguely in the same vicinity thereof, to be interpreted as necessary depending on the prevailing breeze.

c.f. 'see'. Usage: 'I see the sign' can mean anything from 'At least one photon reflected from that sign stimulated a cell in my retina' to 'I held up that sign and posed with it for a picture'.

This was from earlier today:

Obama Campaign Calls On Romney To Stand Up To Trump

“Donald Trump has become the birther in chief,” LaBolt said. “I can put the president’s birth certificate on my forehead and Mr. Trump wouldn’t accept that the president was born here in the United States. And it raises a question that’s come up before during this campaign as to whether Governor Romney will embrace the extreme voices in his party or stand up to them.”

I took this as the Romney campaign's response to the challenge.

10 Targetpractice  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:51:43pm

re: #7 erik_t

Well, 'stand next to', as in be vaguely in the same vicinity thereof, to be interpreted as necessary depending on the prevailing breeze.

c.f. 'see'. Usage: 'I see the sign' can mean anything from 'At least one photon reflected from that sign stimulated a cell in my retina' to 'I held up that sign and posed with it for a picture'.

Pretty much. He'll "stand next to" Trump until Trump opens his yap one time too many, then he'll be under the bus alongside Grenell.

11 Kruk  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:54:21pm

Holy ****! I normally take things in the comments section of online newspapers with a grain of salt, but this is beyond all decency. And these are the comments that *didn't* get moderated.

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

12 jaunte  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:56:11pm

re: #4 Decatur Deb

Romney has promised to bring unemployment down to 6% during his four years. Does he realize that he's offering a worse performance rate than the current Obama rate?

[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

I'm starting to think that Romney is actually Rick Perry with some kind of gaffe-hiding deflector shield.

13 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:57:20pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Pretty much. He'll "stand next to" Trump until Trump opens his yap one time too many, then he'll be under the bus alongside Grenell.

But Grenell chose to go under the bus by himself!
///

14 wrenchwench  Fri, May 25, 2012 12:59:11pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Pretty much. He'll "stand next to" Trump until Trump opens his yap one time too many, then he'll be under the bus up on the roof alongside Grenell.

FTFY, Romney-style.

15 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:01:09pm

Audio: Tony Perkins admits what I said all year: #Amendment1 was nakedly biblical effort

Amendment One managed to change the *civil* constitution, callously turning the North Carolina's most precious governing document into even more of a weapon against same-sex couples' legal rights. It also happened to be the most obviously, openly faith-based state campaign we have ever faced. I've been saying that since last year.

Now, as he continues his tour of lauding Ron "gays worse than maggots" Baity, Family Research Council president Tony Perkins admits the same:

16 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:04:13pm

Apparently there's now an effort by the deranged creeps who stalk me on the Internet to convince the right wing mob that I am somehow "tied" to their latest pile-on target, Brett Kimberlin. WTF?

I'm not. I don't know this person, and in fact, I don't recall ever even hearing his name before this massive right wing freak out.

I guess I should be flattered that these hateful morons think I'm so powerful and omniscient that I'm involved in every single one of their stupid conspiracy theories.

17 erik_t  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:05:46pm

re: #12 jaunte

I'm starting to think that Romney is actually Rick Perry with some kind of gaffe-hiding deflector shield.

I think 'hiding' might be charitable. It's more like looking through glass bricks.

18 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:06:07pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Apparently there's now an effort by the deranged creeps who stalk me on the Internet to convince the right wing mob that I am somehow "tied" to their latest pile-on target, Brett Kimberlin. WTF?

I'm not. I don't know this person, and in fact, I don't recall ever even hearing his name before this massive right wing freak out.

I guess I should be flattered that these hateful morons think I'm so powerful and omniscient that I'm involved in every single one of their stupid conspiracy theories.

Seems they want Kimberlin to be this cycle's Willie Horton, but with a broader zone of collateral damage.

19 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:06:18pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Apparently there's now an effort by the deranged creeps who stalk me on the Internet to convince the right wing mob that I am somehow "tied" to their latest pile-on target, Brett Kimberlin. WTF?

I'm not. I don't know this person, and in fact, I don't recall ever even hearing his name before this massive right wing freak out.

I guess I should be flattered that these hateful morons think I'm so powerful and omniscient that I'm involved in every single one of their stupid conspiracy theories.

Lack of evidence is the evidence.

20 jaunte  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:06:54pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I think we've all seen photos of you that do NOT show Brett Kimberlin, so you might be featured in the next Breitbombshell.

21 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:07:19pm

re: #19 Kragar

Lack of evidence is the evidence.

If he were not guilty, he wouldn't have covered his tracks so well.

22 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:10:55pm

Perry: Don’t Go After Romney On Bain

Kragar: Don't take political advice from people's whose campaign self-destructed.

23 erik_t  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:11:03pm

Ruh-roh.

Who do you think would do more to advance the economic interests of middle class Americans, Obama or Romney?
Obama: 51
Romney: 42

Who do you think would do more to advance the economic interests of wealthy Americans, Obama or Romney?
Obama: 24
Romney: 65

Who do you think would do more to advance the economic interests of financial institutions, Obama or Romney?

Obama: 32
Romney: 56

But then my favorite part, the old how-well-can-you-lie-to-yourself:

Who do you think would do more to advance the economic interests of you and your family, Obama or Romney?
Obama: 46
Romney:: 43

The United States of Wobegon: where every family is above-average.

24 Targetpractice  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:12:51pm

re: #22 Kragar

Perry: Don’t Go After Romney On Bain

Kragar: Don't take political advice from people's whose campaign self-destructed.

Who still cares what Pointy Boots has to say? Last I checked, the folks of his state were seriously wondering if letting him run for another term as governor was such a good idea.

25 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:14:28pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Who still cares what Pointy Boots has to say? Last I checked, the folks of his state were seriously wondering if letting him run for another term as governor was such a good idea.

M-O-O-N spells Texas!

26 Gus  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:19:13pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Apparently there's now an effort by the deranged creeps who stalk me on the Internet to convince the right wing mob that I am somehow "tied" to their latest pile-on target, Brett Kimberlin. WTF?

I'm not. I don't know this person, and in fact, I don't recall ever even hearing his name before this massive right wing freak out.

I guess I should be flattered that these hateful morons think I'm so powerful and omniscient that I'm involved in every single one of their stupid conspiracy theories.

I think the conspiracy theory also includes Tides and George Soros.

27 simoom  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:19:42pm

CBS News: "Romney camp stands by Trump after latest birther comments"

Mitt Romney's campaign stood by its decision to use Donald Trump as a top surrogate even as the reality television host continues to insist President Obama was not born in the United States.

Romney is scheduled to appear at a Las Vegas fundraiser Tuesday with Trump, who made headlines last year with his "investigation" of Mr. Obama's birth certificate.

...

Romney has two major fundraisers planned with "The Apprentice" Host next month. The first, on Tuesday, is at Trump's Las Vegas hotel and will feature an appearance by former presidential candidate Newt Gingrich. The campaign is also raffling off a dinner with Trump and Romney in New York later in June.

After flirting with his own presidential bid, Trump endorsed Romney in a joint appearance in February.

A profile in courage. /

28 Obdicut  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:21:37pm

re: #27 simoom

It's really fucking shameful that the GOP dares to call Obama divisive and nurtures and helps along birtherism like this.

29 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:23:52pm

re: #28 Obdicut

It's really fucking shameful that the GOP dares to call Obama divisive and nurtures and helps along birtherism like this.

Romney doesn't do confrontation. He just makes people uncomfortable so they leave on their own and then asks "Man, what's their problem?"

See Grenell and "self deportation".

30 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:25:01pm

Granted, Kimberlin is an ex-terrorist and does not seem to have a sign of remorse, so bloggers associating with him (like Brad Friedman and Larisa Alexandrovna) are making a big mistake.

But to blame people outside of that circle is silly, not to mention libelous.

31 Amory Blaine  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:25:02pm

re: #19 Kragar

Lack of evidence is the evidence.

Wait are we talking about Iraq now?

32 Amory Blaine  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:26:42pm

re: #23 erik_t

Everyone thinks they're middle class.

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:27:02pm

Will Romney campaign with Kim Kardashian next

34 Kragar  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:27:27pm

re: #30 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Granted, Kimberlin is an ex-terrorist and does not seem to have a sign of remorse, so bloggers associating with him (like Brad Friedman and Larisa Alexandrovna) are making a big mistake.

But to blame people outside of that circle is silly, not to mention libelous.

NO ONE EXPECTS THE WINGNUT INQUISITION!

OUR CHIEF WEAPON IS LIBEL!

35 Amory Blaine  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:28:19pm
36 erik_t  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:29:16pm

re: #32 Amory Blaine

Everyone thinks they're middle class.

Everyone thinks they're at least middle class, or will be soon.

Important distinction.

37 Interesting Times  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:30:15pm
38 Targetpractice  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:31:15pm

re: #29 Kragar

Romney doesn't do confrontation. He just makes people uncomfortable so they leave on their own and then asks "Man, what their problem?"

See Grenell and "self deportation".

Romney's the kinda guy who lets others do the dirty work, then takes the credit in the end. He keeps nattering on about the economy, while guys like Trump do the heavy-lifting, taking potshots at Obama in the hopes of finding something that will stick long enough to drag down his likability.

39 Gus  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:33:39pm

re: #31 Amory Blaine

Wait are we talking about Iraq now?

Known unknowns. I think there's a correlation here between right-wing thinking and the impulse for reacting. Hence the term reactionaries. When you don't have the evidence just make shit up.

40 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, May 25, 2012 1:39:15pm

Ex-terrorists. Heh.

The right loves theirs.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

As Media Matters for America has noted, Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in "if necessary"; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention -- a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.


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