Sikh Temple Shooter Was Member of White Supremacist Band - Update: Police Looking for ‘Person of Interest’

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Today we learn that the alleged mass murderer who attacked a Sikh temple in Wisconsin yesterday before being shot and killed by police was a far right white supremacist and Army veteran, and a former member of a skinhead hate band.

The man who allegedly murdered six people at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee yesterday, identified in media reports as Wade Michael Page, was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band.

In 2010, Page, then the leader of the band End Apathy, gave an interview to the white supremacist website Label 56. He said that when he started the band in 2005, its name reflected his wish to “figure out how to end people’s apathetic ways” and start “moving forward.” “I was willing to point out some of my faults on how I was holding myself back,” Page said. Later, he added, “The inspiration was based on frustration that we have the potential to accomplish so much more as individuals and a society in whole.” He did not discuss violence in the interview.

Page told the website that he had been a part of the white power music scene since 2000, when he left his native Colorado on a motorcycle. He attended white power concerts in Georgia, North Carolina, West Virginia and Colorado.  At various times, he said, he also played in the hate rock bands Youngland (2001-2003), Celtic Warrior, Radikahl, Max Resist, Intimidation One, Aggressive Force and Blue Eyed Devils. End Apathy, he said, included “Brent” on bass and “Ozzie” on drums; the men were former members of Definite Hate and another band, 13 Knots.

In 2000, the Southern Poverty Law Center has found that Page also attempted to purchase goods from the neo-Nazi National Alliance, then America’s most important hate group.

UPDATE at 8/6/12 9:49:05 am

And he may not have been acting alone; police are looking for a “person of interest” with a 9/11 tattoo who was recording video of Sikhs after the shooting.

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100 comments
1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:41:58am

What Right wing extremism? I tell ya he ain't a terrist he's just misunderstood!

//

2 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:44:36am

This is not a "lone wolf" - this is a member of the pack hierarchy...

3 jc717  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:44:54am

Clearly a liberal plant //

4 erik_t  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:45:27am

re: #3 jc717

Clearly a liberal plant //

Deep, deep cover.

Derp.

5 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:45:47am

Obviously a member of OWS and reader of Noam Chomsky.

//

6 aagcobb  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:46:38am

The conspiracy theories being tossed around by freepers are pretty insane.

7 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:47:21am

re: #6 aagcobb

The conspiracy theories being tossed around by freepers are pretty insane.

... because most of them are pretty nuts-o too.

8 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:48:56am

This sounds like the kind of military background the DHS was warning about in their much reviled April 2009 report on domestic terrorism.

9 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:48:59am

If he was a Muslim we would be hearing calls to nuke Mecca. Can we nuke wher ethey have skinhead concerts instead?

He attended white power concerts in Georgia, North Carolina, West Virginia and Colorado.

.

(That was me flipping the kook right wing argument. I don't advocate violence)

10 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:49:14am

And he may not have been acting alone:

[Link: www.jsonline.com...]

Police are looking for a "person of interest" with a 9/11 tattoo who was recording video of Sikhs after the shooting.

11 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:49:27am

re: #8 Millicent Islam

This sounds like the kind of military background the DHS was warning about in their much reviled April 2009 report on domestic terrorism.

You mean the kind that made the right wing mad that Obama was ignoring Muuuuslims and going after Chriiiiiiistians?

12 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:49:40am

re: #6 aagcobb

The conspiracy theories being tossed around by freepers are pretty insane.

Ooh, I'll have to go over there and check them out...

13 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:50:01am

re: #11 Destro

You mean the kind that made the right wing mad that Obama was ignoring Muuuuslims and going after Chriiiiiiistians?

Yep, exactly.

14 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:50:13am

re: #6 aagcobb

The conspiracy theories being tossed around by freepers are pretty insane.

Thanks for the heads up.

15 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:50:39am

And a repost from last thread;

Inside the DHS: Former Top Analyst Says Agency Bowed to Political Pressure

While at DHS, Johnson and his team wrote the April 7, 2009 report, "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." The report, which was intended for law enforcement only, was quickly leaked and caused a firestorm among some on the political right who accused DHS of painting all kinds of conservatives as potential Timothy McVeighs. In fact, it had merely pointed out that some domestic extremists focused on single issues like immigration and abortion and also noted that extremists were interested in recruiting military veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Its analysis of the causes of the surge of right-wing radicalism — the election of the nation's first black president and the economy, among other things — still seems completely accurate and is in line with similar findings by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

But DHS ultimately reacted to criticism from conservative columnists and groups like the American Legion by withdrawing the report. (Ironically, given the criticism of his report, Johnson describes himself as a registered Republican who "personifies conservativism.") In the months following the leak, Johnson says in the interview below, DHS gutted its domestic terrorism analysis unit.

16 GunstarGreen  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:51:22am

re: #11 Destro

You mean the kind that made the right wing mad that Obama was ignoring Muuuuslims and going after Chriiiiiiistians?

Yep, that's the one. The one that provoked all of that "how DARE you suggest our glorious, heroic troops would do anything wrong!".

You know, before the mass shooting on the army base, and now the discharged guy shooting up a temple, and such. I'm sure I'm forgetting more.

17 celticdragon  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:52:01am

re: #8 Millicent Islam

This sounds like the kind of military background the DHS was warning about in their much reviled April 2009 report on domestic terrorism.

Yep.

The DHS had to basically disown the report after the predicable ZOMG you hate teh military and right wing Christian, apple pie Americans!!11ty! reaction from the Malkinites and Breitbart clones.

Unfortunately, the report was fairly accurate.

18 Tigger2005  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:54:18am

I called it. Had a pretty strong feeling about it. Really, who else would go shoot up a Sikh temple?

19 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:58:00am

re: #18 Tigger2005

I called it. Had a pretty strong feeling about it. Really, who else would go shoot up a Sikh temple?

An Idiot, only an Idiot.

20 Jadewater  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:00:15am

re: #18 Tigger2005

I called it. Had a pretty strong feeling about it. Really, who else would go shoot up a Sikh temple?

The only other thought I had besides what it is shaping up to be was that it was regarding something to do with 'love' that caused him to go off the deep end and 'blame' them. Like a girlfriend left him for Sikh guy or he figured that they somehow had something to do with it.

21 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:01:57am

re: #18 Tigger2005

I called it. Had a pretty strong feeling about it. Really, who else would go shoot up a Sikh temple?

I first suggested inter-Sikh violence - there was reports of armed (bats, knives, swords) temple violence by Sikh factions just last year. But I also said that if it was not inter Sikh violence it was some racist right winger.

22 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:02:22am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Police are looking for a "person of interest" with a 9/11 tattoo who was recording video of Sikhs after the shooting.

They have his picture.

OAK CREEK, Wis. - The FBI Monday identified a person of interest that is being sought in connection with Sunday's shooting at an Oak Creek temple.

Special Agent Teresa Carlson of the FBI showed a photo of the man and asked anyone with information regarding his identity to call 800-CALL-FBI.

Authorities said the man was identified as being at the scene after the shooting, but left the scene before authorities could question him.

Officials said they are confident that the shooter killed at the scene, identified as Wade Michael Page, was the lone shooter in the incident.

Authorities reiterated that their investigation leads them to believe Page was the only person involved in the shooting. The person in the photograph is only wanted for questioning and has not been identified to have been involved.

A fund has been established for the victims and their families. Donations can be sent to:

Victims Memorial Fund
c/o Sikh Temple
7512 S. Howell Ave.
Oak Creek, WI 53154

23 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:02:33am

The much-maligned DHS report merely stated that WS groups would attempt to recruit veterans, particularly the disgruntled and resentful.
The temple shooter fits that profile exactly: He was reduced in rank, then thrown out on his ass for being drunk on duty.

24 mr.fusion  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:02:51am

re: #5 Gus

Obviously a member of OWS and reader of Noam Chomsky.

//

Go to any right wing website's comment section on the story, or any story Drudge has linked to.......that's pretty much the theory

Well that and "How come Ft Hood was classified as work place violence!!!11!1"

25 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:02:53am

re: #20 Jadewater

The only other thought I had besides what it is shaping up to be was that it was regarding something to do with 'love' that caused him to go off the deep end and 'blame' them. Like a girlfriend left him for Sikh guy or he figured that they somehow had something to do with it.

I think it is a simple at they wore Turbans and were dark skinned.

26 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:03:50am

re: #20 Jadewater

The only other thought I had besides what it is shaping up to be was that it was regarding something to do with 'love' that caused him to go off the deep end and 'blame' them. Like a girlfriend left him for Sikh guy or he figured that they somehow had something to do with it.

People who commit mass murders often have a precipitating event like a breakup or getting fired -- but the single event is usually just a trigger that gives them the impetus to go through with it.

27 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:03:59am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

And he may not have been acting alone:

[Link: www.jsonline.com...]

Police are looking for a "person of interest" with a 9/11 tattoo who was recording video of Sikhs after the shooting.

I saw that mentioned during the presser. It's hard not to be concerned about the guy taking video.

Between this and the mosque fire in Missouri, I'm hoping with all my heart that this isn't the beginning of some kind of escalation of violence.

28 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:05:11am

re: #27 makeitstop

I did not hear about a Mosque fire.,,,,,

29 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:05:29am
On the concept of citizenship

"It was quite radical. And it was a brilliant notion. And it really kept the Empire going for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. If you're going to run an empire, you really do need consent. Simply having military power, simply being an all-powerful autocracy with a secret police, let's think of Syria, or think of the old Soviet Union, sooner or later the people that you're ruling rise up and say, 'Look, we've had enough of this.'"

30 Randall Gross  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:06:06am
31 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:08:03am

re: #28 Destro

I did not hear about a Mosque fire.,,,,,

Second Fire In Five Weeks Burns Missouri Mosque

The mosque was burned five weeks ago and it was determined to have been arson.

This time it burned to the ground.

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:12:28am

re: #31 makeitstop

Second Fire In Five Weeks Burns Missouri Mosque

The mosque was burned five weeks ago and it was determined to have been arson.

This time it burned to the ground.

destruction of property --stupid, stupid, stupid. just basic stupid.

33 b_snark  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:13:02am

This is beginning to look like a suicide rampage designed to provide a propaganda film.

34 Ming  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:15:00am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

And he may not have been acting alone...

I wonder how the right wing would feel about using torture to help catch other people who might be involved, and to get more info about the shooting. After all, the right wing doesn't seem to have any hesitation about sending other "terror suspects" or "persons of interest" to Guantanamo Bay, and to other places, for physical torture.

So why not have the government pick up a few members of this white supremacist group, and use "enhanced interrogation techniques" to get some good intel?

Can you imagine the outrage among the right wing if the government, especially President Obama's government, actually did this? (Of course, it's hard to imagine this happening at all.) It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that these "persons of interest" are white, could it?

35 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:16:05am

re: #5 Gus

hey, didn't you know the Russians are Invading too?

36 erik_t  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:16:36am

re: #34 Ming

Can you imagine the outrage among the right wing if the government, especially President Obama's government, actually did this? (Of course, it's hard to imagine this happening at all.) It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that these "persons of interest" are white, could it?

Well, they also like to harp on the citizenship of the individual in question, as if only Exceptional Americans have human rights.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:17:48am

re: #36 erik_t

Well, they also like to harp on the citizenship of the individual in question, as if only Exceptional Americans have human rights.

That wouldn't last long either if some visiting EDL type got picked up.

38 iossarian  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:17:53am

re: #36 erik_t

Well, they also like to harp on the citizenship of the individual in question, as if only Exceptional Americans have human rights.

I believe that's the Classical Liberal position, yes.

39 Lidane  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:17:56am

re: #36 erik_t

Well, they also like to harp on the citizenship of the individual in question, as if only Exceptional Americans have human rights.

Ah, but to them, the only Exceptional Americans that have any rights are white, straight, male, and Christian. Everyone else is fair game.

40 kirghazi  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:19:17am

re: #39 Lidane

Ah, but to them, the only Exceptional Americans that have any rights are white, straight, male, and Christian. Everyone else is fair game.

Not quite. White, straight, male, and TRUE Christian.

41 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:19:42am

Egypt's Brotherhood says Mossad behind Sinai attack

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said on its website that the attack on a police station in Sinai on Sunday in which 16 policemen were killed "can be attributed to Mossad" and was an attempt to thwart Islamist President Mohamed Mursi.

The statement said Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, was trying to abort the Egyptian uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak last year and that it was "imperative to review clauses" of the agreement between Egypt and Israel.
...
The group said on its website on Monday: "This crime can be attributed to the Mossad, which has been seeking to abort the revolution since its inception and the proof of this is that it gave instructions to its zionist citizens in Sinai to depart immediately a few days ago."

"(It) also draws our attention to the fact that our forces in Sinai are not enough to protect it and our borders, which makes it imperative to review clauses in the signed agreement between us and the zionist entity," the group said.

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:21:56am

A Facebook friend writes: "Got such a glare from a labmate when I walked in this morning and said "Go planet Earth!" Makes you wonder where his loyalties are..."

43 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:21:57am

Have a great day all!

44 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:22:50am

re: #41 Killgore Trout

SS/DD. It isn't the Middle East if there isn't a conspiracy to lay blame at Israel's feet for any actions elsewhere. That includes attacks that also targeted Israel (the attacks involved going after Egyptian security forces to steal weapons/vehicles to then attack Israelis with intent to kill/kidnap Israelis).

Of course, in every conspiracy, Mossad is all powerful and knowing.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:24:43am

re: #44 lawhawk

Of course, in every conspiracy, Mossad is all powerful and knowing.

And yet, easily defeated by a bunch of meddling kids and their goofy dog.

46 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:25:20am

re: #44 lawhawk

SS/DD. It isn't the Middle East if there isn't a conspiracy to lay blame at Israel's feet for any actions elsewhere. That includes attacks that also targeted Israel (the attacks involved going after Egyptian security forces to steal weapons/vehicles to then attack Israelis with intent to kill/kidnap Israelis).

Of course, in every conspiracy, Mossad is all powerful and knowing.

It also shows the disconnect between President Morsi and some in his party (or at least the one's in charge of the MB website).

47 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:25:57am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

It's always that meddling dog. What the Mossad would give for a bunch of Scooby snacks. /

48 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:26:22am

Apparently the SPLC doesn't moderate comments. Already there is a post blaming the Jews for 911. I didn't note a readily available means by which to notify said blog owner either.

49 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:28:51am

re: #48 Eclectic Infidel

They very likely don't have near real-time monitoring. Many organizations don't have the funds to hire people 24/7 to police all internet activity.

The question is, once notified, do they get around to deleting harmful posts.

50 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:30:07am

re: #41 Killgore Trout

What does Egypt have to do with this thread/topic? Did I miss something?

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:30:24am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

It also shows the disconnect between President Morsi and some in his party (or at least the one's in charge of the MB website).

The guy running the MB website can indulge in whatever goofy conspiracies appeal to him and his audience. Morsi is actually running a country now, and he's got to deal with facts on the ground, and get the situation in the Sinai under control if he can.

52 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:30:39am

Notice that Fox News doesn't allow comments on their News site stories - they probably got tired that some in their target audience making them look bad, and didn't want to hire the bodies to sort through comments every minute.

53 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:30:48am

re: #44 lawhawk

SS/DD. It isn't the Middle East if there isn't a conspiracy to lay blame at Israel's feet for any actions elsewhere. That includes attacks that also targeted Israel (the attacks involved going after Egyptian security forces to steal weapons/vehicles to then attack Israelis with intent to kill/kidnap Israelis).

Of course, in every conspiracy, Mossad is all powerful and knowing.

And since it's the ME I'm going to call a 30 day rule since I'm seeing a lot of conspiracy theories coming from all sides. This includes the attempt to poison the well of Morsi and the MB -- as much as I look at him and them with a raised eyebrow.

54 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:31:43am

re: #41 Killgore Trout

"This crime can be attributed to the Mossad,

Life imitates sarcasm!!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

55 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:32:18am

re: #54 sattv4u2

"This crime can be attributed to the Mossad,

Life imitates sarcasm!!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Heh

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:32:23am

re: #50 Destro

What does Egypt have to do with this topic? Did I miss something?

Fifteen of their soldiers were killed yesterday in an attack on a border post.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:35:03am

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor on 9/11?

In 2007 the Venezuelan government led by Hugo Chavez refused to renew the broadcast license of the opposition television station RCTV. It replaced RCTV’s signal with that of a new government-controlled station called TVes.

TVes broadcast the 2008 Beijing Olympics to Venezuela. And although the video evidence unfortunately has been removed, the station’s announcer, describing a race featuring American swimmer Michael Phelps, informed viewers that Phelps competed in the 1972 Munich Olympics, presided over by Adolf Hitler, who refused to give Phelps his medals.

It seems Michael Phelps, Mark Spitz, Jesse Owens, 1972, 1936, Munich and Berlin all became jumbled together in his head and he couldn’t sort them out.

After such a fine job, of course, TVes is being allowed by the government to broadcast the 2012 London games to Venezuela.

58 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:41:04am

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

After such a fine job, of course, TVes is being allowed by the government to broadcast the 2012 London games to Venezuela. where it will be reporting that Sonja Henie has taken the Gold Medal in MENS Weight Lifting with a world record of 62 feet 7 inches

59 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:43:00am

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

Fifteen of their soldiers were killed yesterday in an attack on a border post.

Is someone arguing that attack was co-ordicnated with the Sikh temple attack? Wider conspiracy?

60 b_snark  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:43:56am

re: #59 Destro

Is someone arguing that attack was co-ordicnated with the Sikh temple attack? Wider conspiracy?

No, it's normal thread drift.
No thread stays put with one theme, it evolves.

61 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:44:09am

re: #60 b_sharp

No, it's normal thread drift.
No thread stays put with one theme, it evolves.

BOOBS!!!

62 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:44:38am

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it normal for a thread to go off topic because now I am reading about Venezuela?

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:44:39am

re: #59 Destro

Is someone arguing that attack was co-ordicnated with the Sikh temple attack? Wider conspiracy?

???

Not to the best of my knowledge, no. Although it's possible that Alex Jones will get to that eventually. He's creative.

64 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:45:16am

re: #60 b_sharp

Got it. Just realized. I am just hitting refresh and new comments appear and I wondered if I lost out on some news.

65 b_snark  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:45:46am

re: #61 sattv4u2

BOOBS!!!

Giant boobs.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:46:45am

re: #62 Destro

Is it normal for a thread to go off topic because now I am reading about Venezuela?

Very.

Usually everyone says everything they can think of about the initial topic. Unless a hot debate is sparked, or new news comes in, people start to run out of things to say. Then the thread is basically an open thread until Charles posts something new.

There was a convention at one time to try to stay on-topic for the first hundred posts, but it doesn't always happen, especially if the thread topic is something that we've been discussing extensively for a few threads.

67 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:47:19am

re: #65 b_sharp

Giant boobs.

There's no need for name calling !!!

68 b_snark  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:47:38am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Very.

Usually everyone says everything they can think of about the initial topic. Unless a hot debate is sparked, or new news comes in, people start to run out of things to say. Then the thread is basically an open thread until Charles posts something new.

There was a convention at one time to try to stay on-topic for the first hundred posts, but it doesn't always happen, especially if the thread topic is something that we've been discussing extensively for a few threads.

Now we're about to talk about talking on threads.

69 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:48:02am

re: #61 sattv4u2

BOOBS!!!

70 Destro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:48:15am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

I just have the last comment up - and was hitting refresh and then wondered what happened and did I miss something! LOL!

71 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:48:23am

re: #68 b_sharp

Now we're about to talk about talking on threads.

I thought we were talking about threads we've already talked about or soon will be talking about

oh yeah ,,, and ,,, BOOBS !

72 allegro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:49:17am

re: #71 sattv4u2

I thought we were talking about threads we've already talked about or soon will be talking about

oh yeah ,,, and ,,, BOOBS !

Hey, if the bra fits...

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:50:12am

re: #70 Destro

I just have the last comment up - and was hitting refresh and then wondered what happened and did I miss something! LOL!

It can be rather startling sometimes. You'll be sitting there talking about climate change, and suddenly it's stories about people's dogs.

74 b_snark  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:50:13am

re: #71 sattv4u2

I thought we were talking about threads we've already talked about or soon will be talking about

oh yeah ,,, and ,,, BOOBS !

Boobs are part of all threads, sometimes without saying.

75 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:50:50am

re: #74 b_sharp

Boobs are part of all threads, sometimes without saying.

Again, there's no need for name calling

:(

76 b_snark  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:50:51am

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

It can be rather startling sometimes. You'll be sitting there talking about climate change, and suddenly it's stories about people's dogs.

Especially if the dog's name is Climate Change.

77 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:51:20am

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

and suddenly it's stories about people's dogs and THEIR boobs!

78 b_snark  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:52:30am

re: #77 sattv4u2

and suddenly it's stories about people's dogs and THEIR boobs!

Most women's boobs are the guys sleeping next to her.

79 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:52:56am

re: #18 Tigger2005

I called it. Had a pretty strong feeling about it. Really, who else would go shoot up a Sikh temple?

Somebody who was inspired by James Holmes "Batman" massacre.

80 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:53:39am

re: #78 b_sharp

Most women's boobs are the guys sleeping next to her.

Funny that

They marry us, KNOWING who/what we are, then when we show them that is EXACTLY who/what we are, they're pissed at us!!

81 b_snark  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:56:09am

re: #80 sattv4u2

Funny that

They marry us, KNOWING who/what we are, then when we show them that is EXACTLY who/what we are, they're pissed at us!!

And do their damnedest to change us.

82 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:57:20am

re: #81 b_sharp

And do their damnedest to change us.

Their moms told them they could!

(but only after failing miserably with their own "boob" for all those years!!)

83 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:57:49am

re: #58 sattv4u2

After such a fine job, of course, TVes is being allowed by the government to broadcast the 2012 London games to Venezuela. where it will be reporting that Sonja Henie has taken the Gold Medal in MENS Weight Lifting with a world record of 62 feet 7 inches

Representing the country of Basutoland.

84 Good Morning  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 11:08:47am

Sadly violence against Sikhs in the US is all to common. For example:

Ex-Navy American Sikh faces police racism
[Link: articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

85 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 11:11:58am

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

The much-maligned DHS report merely stated that WS groups would attempt to recruit veterans, particularly the disgruntled and resentful.
The temple shooter fits that profile exactly: He was reduced in rank, then thrown out on his ass for being drunk on duty.

I wondered how he'd "earned" that less than honorable discharge.

Anyway, I'm glad he was "put down" by the cops like the rabid dog he was.

86 efuseakay  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 11:42:41am

re: #8 Millicent Islam

This sounds like the kind of military background the DHS was warning about in their much reviled April 2009 report on domestic terrorism.

For those that want to look through the report...

[Link: www.dhs.gov...]

87 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:00:15pm

was probably a poster at gates of vienna, atlas, stalkerblog, freep, etc.

88 efuseakay  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:05:15pm

re: #79 Learned Mother of Zion

Somebody who was inspired by James Holmes "Batman" massacre.

Can't say I'd agree with that. Someone inspired by Holmes would not bother with a Sikh temple.

89 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:40:19pm

re: #87 SpaceJesus

That would certainly explain why the Freepers are positing such risible conspiracy theories; they're probably (subconsciously) concerned he is, or was, one of their own.

90 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:43:37pm

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

Welcome, hatchling.

91 Good Morning  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:44:10pm

Army veteran is a term used very loosely. In this case he appears to have been an electronics technician and something called a "psychological operations specialist". He does not seem to have been involved in the shooting side of the military, and was apparently never deployed. Perhaps it is time to admit that you can spend a career employed by the US military and not be a veteran anything. At any rate in this case calling him former military or previously employed by the US Army seems more appropriate.

More interesting to me is if he was using prescription psychological drugs.

92 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:53:41pm

One I've often pondered upon is that one of these days, some Freeper, or Atlas/JihadWatch poster, or whomever, is going to lose their marbles completely and go on some absolutely insane epic rampage, and pull a Baruch-Goldstein-Cave-of-the-Patriarchs-Massacre at some mosque located nearby them.

Will the Freepers declare him/her a hero? Will Pam invite them over for cocktails to celebrate, or assist in creating a legal defense fund (provided the person survives)?

Or will they disavow that person and scrub their site?

I also find myself increasingly pondering what the RWNJ's are going to do if President Obama is re-elected? Will they pound away at their keyboards, shrieking in impotent, incoherent rage, or will some decide that such an outcome is nothing less than the opening shot of a second civil war?

93 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:54:40pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

Thank you. I've been wanting to sign up for a couple of years, and today, behold!

94 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:02:48pm

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

Will the Freepers declare him/her a hero? Will Pam invite them over for cocktails to celebrate, or assist in creating a legal defense fund (provided the person survives)?

Cocktails are a must. Invited guests are optional, celebratory event unnecessary.

95 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:32:05pm

re: #94 wrenchwench

Sad to say, you're probably all too correct.

96 efuseakay  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 2:00:08pm

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

That would certainly explain why the Freepers are positing such risible conspiracy theories; they're probably (subconsciously) concerned he is, or was, one of their own.

He probably has an account there. I wouldn't be surprised at all. I'd actually be surprised if he didn't.

97 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 3:57:08pm

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

They'll have to try to disavow that person like they tried to disavow Breivik, who was definitely an admirer of Gellar and other US anti-Muslim extremists.

98 CarolJ  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 4:16:27am

This is one of my worries. In October, if it's clear that Romney simply can't win, and that Obama's a cinch to win, will the nutcases try something really evil and stupid? Many of these folks feel that he was a fluke, elected because conservatives stayed home and refused to believe Obama could win. For years they've blamed the kids who were in love with Obama, ACORN, whatever. They believe that if people really took a look at Obama, they could see him the way they do. But in the face of a clear reaffirmation of the 2008 vote, I believe they will despair (the ones who don't hold out for a last-minute miracle)and think of more revolutionary solutions.

About the veteran thing: If I'm not mistaken, all soldiers receive basic training that includes how to shoot. Not that these positions are equal to later infantry training, but the idea is at least to defend oneself until help arrives. These skills are sufficient to use on untrained civilians who are surprised.

I think the real concern are veterans who leave bitter or become bitter and have little support. I see the same parallel with the 911 hijackers: lonely, bitter men and boys feeling a need to be warriors and embittered about the world and how they were treated. Both groups are/were vulnerable to an ethos that says that their oppression can be solved through revolutionary violence.

The answer in these cases is outreach and support before the bad guys get hold of them.

99 John Vreeland  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:56:52am

That "person of interest" was questioned and released. Apparently not connected.

The shooter was kicked out of the army with a general discharge. Which is a way of saying "get out and stay out." He got in trouble once for being drunk and absent without leave, but that alone would not justify a general discharge unless it was especially egregious.

The Army says there was nothing in his record to suggest or explain his recent behavior.

100 CarolJ  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:12:49am

re: #99 John Vreeland Maybe the General Discharge was an upgrade from what he could have been charged for several incidents too small for formal stuff, but it added up.


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