Tonight’s bizarre word salad from Sarah Palin seems to confuse Greta van Susteren, as Palin rambles on and on, getting more and more agitated and incoherent.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:35:24pm |
Can't watch. But I will post a Tshirt I saw earlier today.
[Link: www.tshirthell.com...]
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Kragar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:36:10pm |
Someone took Steve Martin too seriously and taught their kid to speak wrong.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:39:06pm |
re: #2 Kragar
No, her father's not to blame. Sarah's just Stuck On Stupid.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:39:16pm |
"Close that chapter, Greta."
(Our program only works if it's secret)
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darthstar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:40:10pm |
Ah, the old 'dead fish go with the flow' speech revised to read 'zygotes in jelly meet rib-eye zucchini' or something like that. I don't speak Palin fluently.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:40:46pm |
re: #5 darthstar
Ah, the old 'dead fish go with the flow' speech revised to read 'zygotes in jelly meet rib-eye zucchini' or something like that. I don't speak Palin fluently.
Does anyone?
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jaunte Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:40:57pm |
Yeah, splitting the conservative vote will win Missouri. Smart politics, Sarah.
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Tigger2 Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:41:48pm |
re: #7 jaunte
Yeah, splitting the conservative vote will win Missouri. Smart politics, Sarah.
I agree, Please run a third party,
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:42:56pm |
My irony meter broke again. A conservative whining about crony capitalism...
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jaunte Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:44:25pm |
re: #9 Kronocide
Just read this:
I'm just tired of our side being cast as extremists when their mainstream is extreme -- it's a warped warped warped warped world.
— David Limbaugh (@DavidLimbaugh) August 22, 2012
ORLY?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:45:17pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:45:21pm |
In her defense I must admit that Sarah really does know when to quit...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:45:47pm |
Enough, I'm going back to Keith Richard's biography and bed. whoo!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:46:11pm |
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Sionainn Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:46:18pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:46:28pm |
Dennis Prager gives an excellent smackdown of Todd Akin. The excerpt below picks up a in the middle in order to get to the key part:
The far greater problem was the other part of Congressman Akin’s comment: “From what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy is] really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”
As one wit put it about such a comment: That was worse than wrong, it was stupid.
Mr. Akin should say so.
And so should the pro-life movement.
Unless — and this would be upsetting — he, and the movement, don’t think this comment was stupid.
Pregnancy from rape is rare because a “woman’s body shuts down”?
Who told Mr. Akin this? And why would he believe it, even if some doctor did tell him this?
Here is my theory.
I have spent a good part of my life showing what an intellectual bubble the Left lives in. That is why so many could believe that boys don’t really prefer trains to tea sets or girls dolls to army soldiers. Those who believe such nonsense usually live in an intellectual bubble. They are raised by liberal parents, taught by left-wing teachers from high school through graduate school, watch left-wing MTV and news, listen to liberal NPR, go to movies produced by leftists, etc. Their whole world is left-wing. They don’t watch, listen to, study under, or socialize with conservatives.
Bubbles tend to produce nonsense. When the only people you talk to, read, and socialize with agree with you, it is easy to abandon critical thinking.
And when you are morally right — and those who argue for a right to life of unborn human beings (or human fetuses, if you prefer) are morally and even scientifically right — a bubble can make critical thought even more difficult.
I wonder if that is not the case with Representative Akin’s comment. If I were at a dinner party with Mr. Akin and he said what he said in his Missouri television interview, as much as I consider the vast majority of abortions in America to be immoral acts, I would have respectfully asked the congressman whether he was aware of the marauding armies throughout history that raped women. Did he assume that very few of them — like the German women raped by Soviet soldiers at the end of World War II — got pregnant? Did he not know how many raped slaves gave birth? Was he not aware of the tragedy of the women of Darfur who, after being raped by Sudanese Arab soldiers, are abandoned by their families for getting pregnant out of wedlock?
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darthstar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:47:40pm |
Todd Akin is what's right with the Republican party. He is their future, and like a moth gliding ever closer to the bug zapper, he is where they will be if there is a god in heaven.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:48:56pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
That is why so many could believe that boys don’t really prefer trains to tea sets or girls dolls to army soldiers.
I think Dennis Prager is in his own bubble if he believes enough people believe this to use it as a characterization of liberals.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:49:13pm |
Ha! "In the chains... in the shackles of debt!"
Love it!
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Petero1818 Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:49:42pm |
Interesting. This was Palin commenting on Lisa Murkowski's decision to run even though she lost her primary.
“Primary voters spoke. Listen to the people, respect their will; w/a 40-pt incumbent lead & $2.8 million war chest, voters chose Joe instead,” wrote Palin online.
"My advice for Lisa is the same for anyone who sees a grizzly in the woods. DON'T RUN,” wrote Palin again on Twitter later that evening.
I guess the voter's will is more important in Alaska.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:50:05pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
Dennis Prager gives an excellent smackdown of Todd Akin. The excerpt below picks up a in the middle in order to get to the key part:
Do you believe personhood attaches at conception?
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erik_t Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:50:26pm |
I worry about the mental health of that woman sometimes.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:51:24pm |
re: #11 jaunte
Just read this:
[Embedded content]
ORLY?
If the mainstream is extreme, and the extremists are the mainstream, then the mainstream is ex-mainstream and extremists are main-stream.
It would make more sense on a whiteboard, hold on...
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:51:24pm |
Prager is an ass. He clearly isn't aware enough to realize that he lives in that very same intellectual bubble that he derides 'the Left' for.
I mean, seriously. He really believes that bullshit?
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:51:43pm |
Transcript
Sarah Palin: Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:52:02pm |
re: #20 jaunte
I think Dennis Prager is in his own bubble if he believes enough people believe this to use it as a characterization of liberals.
Dennis Prager is in his own bubble.
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abolitionist Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:52:14pm |
re: #24 erik_t
I worry about the mental health of that woman sometimes.
Hey --you gotta know when to hold 'em; when to fold 'em.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:52:21pm |
re: #27 Gus
Transcript
Sarah Palin: Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain. Complain.
That's way more coherent than it sounded to me.
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erik_t Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:52:42pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
whateverauthor: "I have spent a good part of my life showing what an intellectual bubble the Left lives in. That is why so many could believe that boys don’t really prefer trains to tea sets or girls dolls to army soldiers. Those who believe such nonsense usually live in an intellectual bubble. They are raised by liberal parents, taught by left-wing teachers from high school through graduate school, watch left-wing MTV and news, listen to liberal NPR, go to movies produced by leftists, etc. Their whole world is left-wing. They don’t watch, listen to, study under, or socialize with conservatives.
...
And when you are morally right — and those who argue for a right to life of unborn human beings (or human fetuses, if you prefer) are morally and even scientifically right — a bubble can make critical thought even more difficult."
Speaking of bubbles. Goddamn, man, you are utterly immune to parody.
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calochortus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:52:53pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
And when you are morally right — and those who argue for a right to life of unborn human beings (or human fetuses, if you prefer) are morally and even scientifically right
Well, this puts his thesis on shaky ground.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:52:55pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
I have spent a good part of my life showing what an intellectual bubble the Left lives in. That is why so many could believe that boys don’t really prefer trains to tea sets or girls dolls to army soldiers. Those who believe such nonsense usually live in an intellectual bubble. They are raised by liberal parents, taught by left-wing teachers from high school through graduate school, watch left-wing MTV and news, listen to liberal NPR, go to movies produced by leftists, etc. Their whole world is left-wing. They don’t watch, listen to, study under, or socialize with conservatives.
I have never met these people.
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:53:51pm |
Well then. Overall it sounds like Palin is saying that Akin should step down.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:54:15pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:54:37pm |
re: #23 goddamnedfrank
Do you believe personhood attaches at conception?
I do not know, but I do not support laws to that effect.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:54:46pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
As one wit put it about such a comment: That was worse than wrong, it was stupid.
Mr. Akin should say so.
And so should the pro-life movement.
Unless — and this would be upsetting — he, and the movement, don’t think this comment was stupid.
Pregnancy from rape is rare because a “woman’s body shuts down”?
Who told Mr. Akin this? And why would he believe it, even if some doctor did tell him this?
Dennis Prager clearly has no idea what the hell the pro-life movement has been saying for decades now. This bullshit about a woman's body shutting down during rape and magically preventing pregnancy isn't new. For example:
That article is from 1999. Its author, John Wilkie, is not only linked to Akin and is his most likely source for the claim, but he ALSO endorsed Mitt Romney in 2007 and the endorsement was touted by Mittens at the time.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:55:17pm |
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calochortus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:55:17pm |
re: #34 Gus
Well then. Overall it sounds like Palin is saying that Akin should step down.
Yes, or her preferred candidate should run a 3rd party challenge, which is a.) a great way to split the vote, and, I believe, b.) not legal in Missouri. Nice try.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:55:23pm |
re: #37 Dark_Falcon
I do not know, but I do not support laws to that effect.
You don't know what you believe?
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:55:48pm |
re: #38 Lidane
Dennis Prager clearly has no idea what the hell the pro-life movement has been saying for decades now. This bullshit about a woman's body shutting down during rape and magically preventing rape isn't new. For example:
That article is from 1999. Its author, John Wilkie, is not only linked to Akin and is his most likely source for the claim, but he ALSO endorsed Mitt Romney in 2007 and the endorsement was touted by Mittens at the time.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:56:05pm |
My, my, look at her scramble. Mama Moose was pissed! Thinking on her feet isn't Sarah's strong suit.
The GOP has become over-specialized, and can't adapt to sudden change.
Funny how toeing the line was once such a strength.
I guess that's what happens when you don't believe in evolution.
Oh well...
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erik_t Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:56:12pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
I have.
And say it the fuck with me: the plural of your anecdote is not data.
Though I have Romney-severe doubt you'd perceive those durn librul teachers if they dropped a brick on your shoe.
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dragonath Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:56:32pm |
Man this Prager guy sounds like a piece of work:
On November 28, 2006, he wrote that Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, should not be allowed to take his Congressional oath using a Koran because "the act undermines American civilization."[7] The Anti- Defamation League wrote that Prager's position was "intolerant, misinformed and downright un-American."[8]
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Sionainn Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:56:43pm |
re: #24 erik_t
I worry about the mental health of that woman sometimes.
Is it just me or does she appear more crazed and frazzled as each day goes by?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:57:12pm |
re: #43 Kronocide
At incorporation.
Thanks for stepping on my joke line. i was going to post:
I do, however, support laws that attach personhood at incorporation.
///kidding
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:57:13pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
I have.
Oh. Okay.
Hey, what channel is the "left-wing" MTV on? All I get is crappy reality shows when I tune in. I always miss the propaganda.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:57:25pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:57:42pm |
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erik_t Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:58:09pm |
re: #46 dragonath
Man this Prager guy sounds like a piece of work:
Well, he's utterly uncivilized, so he ought to know.
God, under precisely what rocks does DF find this dreck?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:58:22pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:58:43pm |
re: #49 Mocking Jay
Oh. Okay.
Hey, what channel is the "left-wing" MTV on? All I get is crappy reality shows when I tune in. I always miss the propaganda.
Prolly the MTV that said in 2004 that Bush was gonna bring back the draft.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:58:59pm |
re: #37 Dark_Falcon
I do not know, but I do not support laws to that effect.
Okay, but you unblinkingly vote for people who support laws to that effect. You belong to a party that supports a constitutional amendment to that effect. Therefor you actively condone such moves, do you not?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:59:07pm |
re: #53 Dark_Falcon
I don't know what to believe on that matter.
Uh... then the answer is no. You do not believe that life begins at conception. There's no gray area here. Yes or no.
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bratwurst Tue, Aug 21, 2012 8:59:25pm |
The only thing that could make this situation better for Claire McCaskill is for Palin to back a third party candidate in the state.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:00:12pm |
re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar
Prolly the MTV that said in 2004 that Bush was gonna bring back the draft.
Okay. I'm sure the liberal caricature that Prager outlines up there is watching MTV.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:00:50pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
Dennis Prager gives an excellent smackdown of Todd Akin. The excerpt below picks up a in the middle in order to get to the key part:
That's rich, given Dennis Prager is on the same page as Akin when it comes to marital rape:
Conservative Dennis Prager Knows It’s Not Rape If His Wife “Submits”
Like Tucker Carlson before him, Prager thinks the key to a successful marriage is just doing it even when you don't want to. In Prager's case, he means "whenever your husband wants," regardless of your "mood," which shouldn't matter. Of course, you could be in that mood because your husband is a liar and a cheat, or because he's just driven your family into debt or hit you (not too hard, of course, but things happen), but as long as he wants to fuck, well, you should suck it up and submit.
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calochortus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:01:31pm |
re: #57 bratwurst
The only thing that could make this situation better for Claire McCaskill is for Palin to back a third party candidate in the state.
I don't believe someone who has lost the primary can then run as a write-in or third party candidate in Missouri, therefore it would have to be someone new.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:01:41pm |
Which came first, the Articles of Incorporation or venture capital?
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:02:08pm |
re: #59 Interesting Times
That's rich, given Dennis Prager is on the same page as Akin when it comes to marital rape:
Conservative Dennis Prager Knows It’s Not Rape If His Wife “Submits”
Oops.
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erik_t Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:02:25pm |
Well, hooray! I want to throw up now.
Thanks, Mr. Falcon! You really know how to turn a thinking man's stomach.
I quit. Time for bed.
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allegro Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:02:36pm |
re: #59 Interesting Times
That's rich, given Dennis Prager is on the same page as Akin when it comes to marital rape:
Conservative Dennis Prager Knows It’s Not Rape If His Wife “Submits”
That is such bullshit. The key to a successful marriage is separate bathrooms. Really.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:02:37pm |
re: #56 Mocking Jay
Uh... then the answer is no. You do not believe that
lifepersonhood begins at conception. There's no gray area here. Yes or no.
I'm going to be incredibly pedantic on this point, since I started the conversation Dark is responding to. The important point here is personhood.
For the sake of argument I'm happy to concede that "life" begins at conception, because this "fact" is utterly irrelevant.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:03:04pm |
re: #58 Mocking Jay
Okay. I'm sure the liberal caricature that Prager outlines up there is watching MTV.
I didn't say Prager said anything about MTV. You were talking about a left leaning MTV. Well, there you go. The ran bullshit propaganda.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:03:47pm |
re: #59 Interesting Times
First, women need to recognize how a man understands a wifes refusal to have sex with him: A husband knows that his wife loves him first and foremost by her willingness to give her body to him.
Oh my god this man is disgusting.
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calochortus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:04:41pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:05:11pm |
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:05:36pm |
re: #67 Mocking Jay
Oh my god this man is disgusting.
Seriously. A monogamous relationship (including a marriage) is not a free pass for sex whenever and wherever you want it regardless of the wishes of your partner. Wives still have free will and can say no. Same goes for husbands.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:06:05pm |
Telling your husband to control it is a fine idea. But he already does. Every man who is sexually faithful to his wife already engages in daily heroic self-control. He has married knowing he will have to deny his sexual natures desire for variety for the rest of his life. To ask that he also regularly deny himself sex with the one woman in the world with whom he is permitted sex is asking far too much.
I am a fucking superhero.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:06:21pm |
re: #59 Interesting Times
That's rich, given Dennis Prager is on the same page as Akin when it comes to marital rape:
Conservative Dennis Prager Knows It’s Not Rape If His Wife “Submits”
See. There's a problem when you link to the opinions of rightwing lunatics. Eventually, it has to come back an bite you in the ass, no matter what.
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calochortus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:06:23pm |
re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar
Maybe she just enjoys annoying him?
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allegro Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:06:53pm |
re: #70 Lidane
Seriously. A monogamous relationship (including a marriage) is not a free pass for sex whenever and wherever you want it regardless of the wishes of your partner. Wives still have free will and can say no. Same goes for husbands.
Unless your partner is a rapist.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:07:16pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
Before I get into a reply, first off, do you agree with Mr. Prager's theory about "leftist" upbringing?
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:07:57pm |
re: #74 allegro
Unless your partner is a rapist.
According to people like Dennis Prager and Phyllis Schlafly, marital rape doesn't exist. After all, women consent to everything the moment they get married. =P
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:08:14pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
Dennis Prager gives an excellent smackdown of Todd Akin. The excerpt below picks up a in the middle in order to get to the key part:
It's not a good smackdown. Akin's ideas are not confined to himself or some tiny minority. Pretty much this whole day I've been posting material on how wide-spread and prominent the "rape can't get you pregnant" and "women lie about rape" concepts are. Lots of pro-life pundits and organizations sell this line...quietly and in their own circles...but it's managed to make it the House of Representatives repeatedly.
Prager is either ignorant or pretending that the "bubble" he's talking about includes the whole pro-life movement, and if actually pay attention to who says what to whom, then Paul Ryan is very much part of the bubble, while Mitt Romney is liminal to it.
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calochortus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:08:32pm |
Telling your husband to control it is a fine idea. But he already does. Every man who is sexually faithful to his wife already engages in daily heroic self-control. He has married knowing he will have to deny his sexual natures desire for variety for the rest of his life. To ask that he also regularly deny himself sex with the one woman in the world with whom he is permitted sex is asking far too much.
Because all those women out there are just dying to have sex with him?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:08:49pm |
re: #76 Lidane
According to people like Dennis Prager and Phyllis Schlafly, marital rape doesn't exist. After all, women consent to everything the moment they get married. =P
Then I should get married 'cause I really need some laundry done.
///
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dragonath Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:09:41pm |
I think conservatives are still pissed at MTV for the super bowl "wardrobe malfunction". Nipples. On TV. IN MAH FOOTBALL
I mean, the only thing with more nipple debauchery than that was Roots.
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allegro Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:09:55pm |
re: #76 Lidane
According to people like Dennis Prager and Phyllis Schlafly, marital rape doesn't exist. After all, women consent to everything the moment they get married. =P
That is not my definition or the definition of rape. Forcing oneself on a non-consenting person is rape. That's it. It's rape.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:10:36pm |
re: #81 dragonath
I think conservatives are still pissed at MTV for the super bowl "wardrobe malfunction". Nipples. On TV. IN MAH FOOTBALL
I mean, the only thing with more nipple debauchery than that was Roots.
I'm betting the nipples on Roots had a bit more support to them. Just sayin'.
/
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:10:47pm |
re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis
Before I get into a reply, first off, do you agree with Mr. Prager's theory about "leftist" upbringing?
Dark has already said he's 'met' people just like that.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:11:17pm |
re: #79 Gus
MTV is left of center not left-wing.
no you're wrong they totally told young people they'd be drafted and that's all you need to be full-blown left-wing moonbat
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:11:52pm |
re: #82 allegro
That is not my definition or the definition of rape. Forcing oneself on a non-consenting person is rape. That's it. It's rape.
Well, yeah. You're not a raving lunatic. You've got the same definition of rape that normal, sane people have.
People like Akin, Ryan, Schlafly, Prager, etc.? They're nutjobs, and their definitions of words change accordingly.
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Petero1818 Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:11:58pm |
Telling your husband to control it is a fine idea. But he already does. Every man who is sexually faithful to his wife already engages in daily heroic self-control. He has married knowing he will have to deny his sexual natures desire for variety for the rest of his life. To ask that he also regularly deny himself sex with the one woman in the world with whom he is permitted sex is asking far too much.
So as I understand it, the Christian GOP view of marriage is that Men accept the monogamy that is counter to their nature in exchange for the right to fuck their wife whenever they please. Women on the other hand give up the right to control their body in exchange for the monogamy they need. If I were a young unmarried heterosexual, I may choose gay marriage instead. I may lose out on tax benefits, but I get to keep my soul.
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:12:33pm |
Pool halls and rock music!
You kids get off my lawn!
-- Dennis Prager
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bratwurst Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:13:39pm |
re: #84 makeitstop
Dark has already said he's 'met' people just like that.
Just like the former lizard who met HUNDREDS of homosexual men who were ALL promiscuous...ALL of them. /
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Tigger2005 Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:14:15pm |
Dear Dennis Prager: The vast majority of liberals are perfectly well aware that most boys prefer trains to tea sets and most girls prefer dolls to toy soldiers and that no amount of unisex upbringing will overcome this fact.
What differentiates liberals from conservatives is that they don't think boys and girls should be punished if they're different from the majority.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:15:11pm |
But guys, we really need to take Denis Prager's thoughts on rape seriously because he actually knows a lot about the subject of what is and isn't rape and totally wants to take Akin down for putting forward ideas that are dangerous for women hurting the Republican brand.
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:15:47pm |
OK this made me laugh:
I have spent a good part of my life showing what an intellectual bubble the Left lives in. That is why so many could believe that boys don’t really prefer trains to tea sets or girls dolls to army soldiers. Those who believe such nonsense usually live in an intellectual bubble. They are raised by liberal parents, taught by left-wing teachers from high school through graduate school, watch left-wing MTV and news, listen to liberal NPR, go to movies produced by leftists, etc. Their whole world is left-wing. They don’t watch, listen to, study under, or socialize with conservatives.
Seriously. If I was going to be kind to Prager I wold start by telling him that right wing children are also raised in "bubble" of their own. NPR. Ha. That still make me laugh because NPR is basically a conservative-liberal station. I think guys like Prager are mistaking NPR for Pacifica Radio or Democracy Now.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:16:01pm |
re: #89 bratwurst
Just like the former lizard who met HUNDREDS of homosexual men who were ALL promiscuous...ALL of them. /
Hm. I think I know the lady your're referring to.
Maybe.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:16:20pm |
Let us not forget the magnificent wit of LVQ re: Akin:
The Republican establishment against him?
Bollocks.
The GOP establishment is up to its foetid, sweaty man-boobs in this.
If that's not a rotating title, I will be Gott-damned!
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:16:49pm |
Let's try this the other way around.
Their whole world is right-wing. They don’t watch, listen to, study under, or socialize with liberals.
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Petero1818 Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:17:05pm |
re: #89 bratwurst
Just like the former lizard who met HUNDREDS of homosexual men who were ALL promiscuous...ALL of them. /
And they were all airline pilots.///
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:17:08pm |
re: #84 makeitstop
Dark has already said he's 'met' people just like that.
Which I saw after I posted my comment.
Yet, by Mr. Prager's statements, LGF should be impossible - after all DF & I, who come from very different political positions, should not be able to agree on anything - except that occasionally we do. We are both patriots even as we come from opposite sides of the equation, for example. I just hope to remind him that one can be conservative without losing one's soul to those who only exist to destroy everything this country has ever been.
Only the worst of both sides refuse to talk. I will make no apology for what I am or what I believe - but I was ready to die in the US Army for 16 years for our nation's multiplicity of beliefs to exist. And that is where DF & I coincide, I believe.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:17:55pm |
re: #96 Petero1818
And they were all airline pilots.///
Flight attendants with pet monkey! Damn it!!
/
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:17:57pm |
Basically Prager sets himself up as an expert about liberals but then proceeds to tell the reader that liberal aren't expert about conservatives.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:18:12pm |
re: #89 bratwurst
Just like the former lizard who met HUNDREDS of homosexual men who were ALL promiscuous...ALL of them. /
Oh god, reading about Scott Brown's donor douchebaggery earlier made me think of that lunatic as well (since she volunteered for him)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:19:32pm |
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jaunte Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:19:41pm |
re: #94 austin_blue
Let us not forget the magnificent wit of LVQ re: Akin:
The Republican establishment against him?
Bollocks.
The GOP establishment is up to its foetid, sweaty man-boobs in this.
If that's not a rotating title, I will be Gott-damned!
In order to distance himself from Akin, next month Paul Ryan will be headlining the American Family Association's "Values Voters Summit."
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:20:23pm |
re: #99 Gus
Basically Prager sets himself up as an expert about liberals but then proceed to tell the reader that liberal aren't expert about conservatives.
Prager is to Liberals what Jane Goodall is to Chimps?
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:20:53pm |
For a party that seems intent on screwing the country, their understanding of actual sex is not what it ought to be. Just sayin'.— Margo Howard (@Margoandhow) August 22, 2012
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:21:43pm |
If there's one thing that a modern women in a relationship just fucking loves, it's to be taken for granted and have their body treated like ideological timeshare property.
Prager is a ridiculous dinosaur.
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:21:58pm |
re: #104 Mocking Jay
Prager is to Liberals what Jane Goodall is to Chimps?
Ha! Seems like it. Aren't all conservatives experts on liberals?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:23:32pm |
re: #106 goddamnedfrank
If there's one thing that a modern women in a relationship just fucking loves, it's to be taken for granted and have their bodies treated like ideological timeshare property.
Prager is a ridiculous dinosaur.
Yeah. If they just want to go out with us, spend time with us, share hobbies with us, that's great and all, but unless they're putting out when we want it then it just ain't love...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:23:38pm |
re: #106 goddamnedfrank
If there's one thing that a modern women in a relationship just fucking loves, it's to be taken for granted and have their bodies treated like ideological timeshare property.
Prager is a ridiculous dinosaur.
We had a discussion the other night about how many cultures there were in which a woman's body was her husband's property to the extent that he could loan her sexual favors out as a hospitality to guests.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:24:16pm |
re: #108 Gus
I don't hate Todd Akin.
I love how he's upended the GOP's ideological rock and liberated the slimy creepy-crawlies beneath :)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:24:23pm |
re: #110 Mostly sane, most of the time.
We had a discussion the other night about how many cultures there were in which a woman's body was her husband's property to the extent that he could loan her sexual favors out as a hospitality to guests.
Bikers?
/
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bratwurst Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:24:50pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:24:59pm |
re: #112 Cannadian Club Akbar
Bikers?
/
No, Eskimos and Mandans were my contribution.
I can't remember which cultures SFZ contributed.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:25:40pm |
re: #113 bratwurst
C.C.
Yeah, I remembered where she was from and what she said, but the exact name escaped me.
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:25:47pm |
Incredible flying hover bike lets you fly over desert like a Jedi lat.ms/PDRzpe via @latimestech:— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) August 22, 2012
re: #111 Interesting Times
I love how he's upended the GOP's ideological rock and liberated the slimy creepy-crawlies beneath :)
See if I was looking for a bigger dick I'd look right over to Joe Walsh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:26:37pm |
re: #113 bratwurst
C.C.
Thanks but I'm drawing a blank. In my defense I've been away for about 18 months. :(
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bratwurst Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:28:53pm |
re: #115 Mocking Jay
Yeah, I remembered where she was from and what she said, but the exact name escaped me.
I would gladly give up the ability to recall the names of wacko ex-lizards in order to be able to remember something that might actually be able to help me in life!
re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thanks but I'm drawing a blank. In my defense I've been away for about 18 months. :(
Um, named after a geographical feature of Massachusetts?
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:29:03pm |
re: #111 Interesting Times
I love how he's upended the GOP's ideological rock and liberated the slimy creepy-crawlies beneath :)
And he did it just by openly saying what they really believe. That's the kicker.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:29:46pm |
@stlactivisthub Bc when you screw with Southeast Missouri & our officials we try to stop you from sleeping or you have to change your number
— Rocky Kingree (@RockyKingree) August 22, 2012
Next they'll leave a flaming bag of dog poo on his porch.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:30:13pm |
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jaunte Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:30:39pm |
That Kingree guy is a prosecutor, he should know better.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:30:42pm |
re: #114 Mostly sane, most of the time.
No, Eskimos and Mandans were my contribution.
I can't remember which cultures SFZ contributed.
Actually most modern work, that I've read, argues that the whole eskimo thing was rather the woman being able to choose for herself but that this was so alien to the white guys that they assumed hubby told her to do the wild thing with them. Somehow I find it far more likely that it would be the woman's choice in an environment like that.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:31:17pm |
re: #122 jaunte
They're tweeting his personal phone number? NOT cool. At ALL.
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bratwurst Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:31:26pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:32:11pm |
Things Not Removed From The Republican Platform
- Affirmation of Call for Revocation of the Edict of Nantes
- Support for reinstatement of Phlogiston Science in public middle schools
- Call for President Obama to come clean on his position re homoosian vs homooision
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:32:42pm |
re: #129 bratwurst
We have to go on $64,000 Pyramid together!
Yea, but we'll both be forced to do the first round with a washed up TV actor/actress.:(
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:32:51pm |
re: #128 Gus
Some asshole put out his home phone and address.
Asshole is right. That's not cool.
It's one thing to go after Akin's withering political idiocy. It's another to give out his private information online.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:33:55pm |
Interesting that @paulryanvp has NO answer for why he joined with @toddakin to narrow the definition of rape pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/08/21/in-…
— Lis Smith (@Lis_Smith) August 22, 2012
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bratwurst Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:33:57pm |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea, but we'll both be forced to do the first round with a washed up TV actor/actress.:(
Oh yeah...forgot that part.
Ok, I get Loni Anderson, you get Jamie Farr!
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:34:34pm |
Wow. Just watched the video up top. You'd think that The Saracudah would have tried to refine her style the last four years.
Meh...not so much.
She's just an absolute ditz.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:35:39pm |
Side issues!
As for the president’s claim that Romney-Ryan will restrict birth control, Ryan calls that ridiculous.
“Nobody is proposing to deny birth control to anybody,” says Ryan.
Ryan says women won’t fall for these side issues.
“And I don’t think they’re going to take the bait of all these distractions that the President is trying to throw at them.”
[Link: pittsburgh.cbslocal.com...]
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:35:47pm |
re: #127 Lidane
They're tweeting his personal phone number? NOT cool. At ALL.
No shit. Unfair. Bad form. Are they Ds or Rs?
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:35:58pm |
re: #132 Lidane
Asshole is right. That's not cool.
It's one thing to go after Akin's withering political idiocy. It's another to give out his private information online.
Oy. If you're on Twitter you might have seen it.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:40:38pm |
re: #136 jaunte
Side issues!
Right? They've given up on appealing to women as a factor in any way, shape, or form. Fortunately, most of them have photo IDs, so they can't disenfranchised.
It's Tea Turtles all the way down.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:42:08pm |
re: #140 Gus
My oh my. And this guys is...
Wait for it.
A Republican.
Seriously? It's an (R) tweeting Akin's private info? Wow. Some folks must really have flipped their shit when he decided to stay in the race.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:42:56pm |
Alrighty. Time to hit the rack. See y'all in the morning.:)
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:45:53pm |
re: #141 Lidane
Seriously? It's an (R) tweeting Akin's private info? Wow. Some folks must really have flipped their shit when he decided to stay in the race.
Betrayal. He has hurt the tribe! He must be subjected to trial by twitter!
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:47:07pm |
re: #137 austin_blue
No shit. Unfair. Bad form. Are they Ds or Rs?
Ds don't want to give out his phone number. They want to buy him a beer.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:51:16pm |
re: #144 Mocking Jay
Ds don't want to give out his phone number. They want to buy him a beer.
Seriously. Most Dems and liberals want to break out the party hats and buy Akin drinks. The LAST thing they want is for him to leave the race.
By staying in the race and keeping the issues of "legitimate rape" and "forcible rape" alive going into the GOP convention, Akin has not only stepped all over Romney's campaign, but he's made himself the story and he's made social issues the focal point when Mitt Romney would love nothing more than to talk about anything else.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:53:10pm |
what the intelligent morons are mulling over
Why do the British like their sub-par health system so much? Is it ignorance or ideology?
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sagehen Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:56:42pm |
re: #110 Mostly sane, most of the time.
We had a discussion the other night about how many cultures there were in which a woman's body was her husband's property to the extent that he could loan her sexual favors out as a hospitality to guests.
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andres Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:57:24pm |
re: #133 jaunte
[Embedded content]
Delano: “Should abortions to be available to women who are raped?”
Ryan: “Well, look, I’m proud of my pro-life record. And I stand by my pro-life record in Congress. It’s something I’m proud of. But Mitt Romney is the top of the ticket and Mitt Romney will be president and he will set the policy of the Romney administration.”
I'd like to know... what was Ryan told about the responsibilities of the Vice President of the USA? He makes it sound like he'll be a decorative feature in a Romney administration.
(This is from what I skimmed in the interview.)
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dragonath Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:00:08pm |
re: #147 engineer cat
Manhattan Institute, huh.
I like this one
An Orgy of Self-Congratulation
Good riddance to the London Olympics
HOW DARE THEY ENJOY THEMSELVES
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:00:42pm |
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dragonath Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:07:07pm |
re: #152 Gus
From Wiki:
Crowell represents Missouri's 27th Senatorial District, which consists of Bollinger, Cape Girardeau, Madison, Mississippi, Perry, and Scott counties in Southeast Missouri. He is a member of the Republican Party.
Crowell is a lifelong member of Centenary United Methodist Church. His community commitments include serving on the Board of Directors of the Southeast Missouri Network Against Sexual Violence and on the University of Missouri Delta Center Advisory Board.
It's wrong, but I can kind of see why he got set off.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:12:17pm |
re: #151 dragonath
Manhattan Institute, huh.
I like this one
An Orgy of Self-Congratulation
Good riddance to the London OlympicsHOW DARE THEY ENJOY THEMSELVES
I rather liked the London Olympics, even the quirky opening and closing ceremonies. It was NBC's fraked up coverage that I loathed with a passion.
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:12:38pm |
#Missouri State Sen. Jason Crowell #Retweet #Akin's Personal Cell Phone # lgf.bz/OXJzkP #p2 #tlot— Gus (@Gus_802) August 22, 2012
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:14:46pm |
re: #150 Gus
So I looked into the guy who sent the original tweet that Sen. Crowell retweeted. Apparently, he runs one of those "alternative weekly" newspapers in Missouri. His Twitter feed is decidedly right wing from what I can tell, too.
His paper's website has a shitty design and I don't know anything about MO so I can't judge the quality of its journalism, but the guy is definitely not shy about his opinions.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:15:51pm |
re: #156 Targetpractice
I rather liked the London Olympics, even the quirky opening and closing ceremonies. It was NBC's fraked up coverage that I loathed with a passion.
NBC's coverage was utter shit. Awful and embarrassing, especially in an age where Twitter and Facebook exist.
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palomino Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:19:52pm |
re: #66 Cannadian Club Akbar
I didn't say Prager said anything about MTV. You were talking about a left leaning MTV. Well, there you go. The ran bullshit propaganda.
At what point in its history was MTV a news organization? Was this speculation about the draft actually presented as news by one of their anchor persons? Or was it just some DJ talking out of his ass?
I heard someone on the Food Network talk about the Iraq War once. Big fucking deal.
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labman57 Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:23:01pm |
Sarah is highly qualified to give Akins advice, as they share quite a few fundamental character flaws -- both have a penchant for expressing opinions on matters about which they lack even the most basic understanding, and neither seems capable of accepting responsibility for his/her mistakes, failures, and shortcomings.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:24:10pm |
re: #147 engineer cat
what the intelligent morons are mulling over
Why do the British like their sub-par health system so much? Is it ignorance or ideology?
The average Briton or Swede is unlikely to know that the five-year survival rate for colorectal cancer is 51.6 percent in Britain but 59.8 percent in Sweden, or that the 30-day fatality rates for myocardial infarction in those two countries are 6.3 percent and 2.9 percent, respectively. (The figures for the United States are 65.5 percent and 5.1 percent.)
imagine, and the brits still love their system for sentimental reasons such as the fact that they will never get stuck with a bill for $30 thousand dollars for a one week emergency stay in a hospital without insurance, or find themselves paying an extra $600/mo for insurance while between jobs
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:26:35pm |
re: #162 engineer cat
The average Briton or Swede is unlikely to know that the five-year survival rate for colorectal cancer is 51.6 percent in Britain but 59.8 percent in Sweden, or that the 30-day fatality rates for myocardial infarction in those two countries are 6.3 percent and 2.9 percent, respectively. (The figures for the United States are 65.5 percent and 5.1 percent.)
imagine, and the brits still love their system for sentimental reasons such as the fact that they will never get stuck with a bill for $30 thousand dollars for a one week emergency stay in a hospital without insurance, or find themselves paying an extra $600/mo for insurance while between jobs
Or be effectively locked into a job due to pre-existing condition that would go uncovered by switching to a new employer.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:30:12pm |
ARMED WASH. MAN ARRESTED IN ALLEGED OBAMA THREAT
FEDERAL WAY, Wash. (AP) -- The Secret Service on Tuesday arrested a Washington state man accused of making an email threat against President Barack Obama and brandishing a shotgun at officers who came to his door.
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dragonath Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:30:18pm |
re: #163 Targetpractice
Why do the British like a system that has a higher life expectancy than ours??!
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Kragar Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:38:08pm |
re: #165 dragonath
Why do the British like a system that has a higher life expectancy than ours??!
They would rather be healthy that savor unfettered liberty, the poor dumb bastards.
///
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:48:24pm |
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wheat-dogg Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:50:33pm |
Palin: "You have to use discernment and know when to fold them."
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:55:06pm |
Bed Time for Bonzo!
Good night all, sweet scaly dreams.
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wheat-dogg Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:00:32pm |
re: #156 Targetpractice
Agreed. My friend in China could see almost anything they wanted. Me, not so much, and I had to listen to Bob Costa.
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:13:48pm |
Jesus cripes. I wind up on some Twitter feed with Dana Loesch. Why? How? That just seems wrong... weird.
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AK-47% Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:15:19pm |
Could not get more than two minutes into it without my brain trying to crawl down into my chest and hide from the input...
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AK-47% Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:21:15pm |
re: #111 Interesting Times
I love how he's upended the GOP's ideological rock and liberated the slimy creepy-crawlies beneath :)
Big upding for that...it will get spread around.
Like the joke about the fellow in Soviet Russia who got eleven years for calling Brezhnev an idiot: one year for demeaning Soviet autority and ten years for revealing a state secret.
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:33:27pm |
@dennisprager youtube.com/watch?v=Vee0oh...— Gus (@Gus_802) August 22, 2012
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Gus Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:50:08pm |
The Doors - Riders on the storm: youtu.be/DKbPUzhWeeI via @youtube— Gus (@Gus_802) August 22, 2012
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:51:40pm |
palin touting her true expertise: quitting
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wheat-dogg Wed, Aug 22, 2012 1:43:35am |
re: #186 freetoken
[Embedded content]
"Manhã de Carnaval" (aka "A Day in the Life of a Fool") -- a great song from a great movie, Black Orpheus (Orfeu negro).
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A Mom Anon Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:00:37am |
Maybe it's time for political hopefuls to have to pass a basic civics and a basic human biology test before they are allowed to be nominated to run as a party candidate for ANY office. I've been lucky to have missed alot of this since my son graduated yesterday and I've had family here and a graduation party to throw. But DAMN, the sheer ignorance of Akin's statements is beyond mind boggling. Worse than that,this is dangerous and damaging.
I love how right wing extremists pose this nonsense as the woman shouldn't punish the baby and never once mention the mother's actual,you know,health and well being. It would be nice if these freaking idiots actually talked to actual women about things such as being a rape survivor,or pregnancy and motherhood,but appearently that's too much to ask. And I shall hush now before I end up banned. Ignorant white dudes shouldn't be anywhere NEAR the rights of women over their own bodies and lives. EVAR.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:12:15am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
Morning Honcos.
'Morning all. Went to see Casablanca at the Tampa Theatre this weekend, then had a couple Guinesses at the Four Green Fields. Don't worry, CCA. The Florida statute of limitations will run out on you someday.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:18:10am |
re: #190 Decatur Deb
'Morning all. Went to see Casablanca at the Tampa Theatre this weekend, then had a couple Guinesses at the Four Green fields. Don't worry, CCA. The Florida statute of limitations will run out on you someday.
They almost got rid of the Tampa Theatre. I'm glad they did what they did with it. The run classics every weekend, IIRC. What were you doing in my old neck of the woods?
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:19:19am |
I hate to say it, but the Republicans might well be able to pull an advantage out of this kerfuffle: by "backg down" building in certain "exemptions" to their abortion ban (that are so worded as to be practically inapplicable to anyone who really needs them, after all, any slut can cry "rape" after the fact, can't she?).
This will allow them to appear somewhat more "moderate" on the issue.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:21:06am |
re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar
They almost got rid of the Tampa Theatre. I'm glad they did what they did with it. The run classics every weekend, IIRC. What were you doing in my old neck of the woods?
Visiting family after working GOTV at Gainesville's UF freshman intake. We'll do USF a little later. Four Green Fields is the best bar in the country, when the Prodigals are in town. The theatre is very cool, and they played Carrotblanca as the cartoon.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:23:08am |
re: #193 Decatur Deb
Never heard of Four Green Fields. Is it downtown? And were the beers free?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:25:54am |
re: #194 Cannadian Club Akbar
Never heard of Four Green Fields. Is it downtown? And were the beers free?
I wish. Here's their new, crappier, website. I think the Prodigals only go up to Skipper's now--outgrew the pub.
[Link: www.tampa.fourgreenfields.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:26:59am |
re: #195 Decatur Deb
I wish. Here's their new, crappier, website. I think the Prodigals only go up to Skipper's now--outgrew the pub.
[Link: www.tampa.fourgreenfields.com...]
Skippers is kick ass, especially on Saturday night.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:28:59am |
re: #196 Cannadian Club Akbar
Skippers is kick ass, especially on Saturday night.
Yeah, great attitude there--I don't trust bars that discourage children.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:36:30am |
re: #197 Decatur Deb
Yeah, great attitude there--I don't trust bars that discourage children.
I used to go to a bar in downtown in the early 90's called 911. You had to go down an alley to get to the entrance. It was a progressive dance club. The DJ didn't say a word until 2AM. Then he only said "last call". At 2:30 they would walk around slapping the drinks out of peoples hands (no drinky after 2:30) At 3 they had about 10 pizzas delivered. They closed at 6 AM.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:40:09am |
re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar
I used to go to a bar in downtown in the early 90's called 911. You had to go down an alley to get to the entrance. It was a progressive dance club. The DJ didn't say a word until 2AM. Then he only said "last call". At 2:30 they would walk around slapping the drinks out of peoples hands (no drinky after 2:30) At 3 they had about 10 pizzas delivered. They closed at 6 AM.
What is this 'DJ' thing? Bars have juke boxes, and B&W TVs set to Gillette Cavalcade of Sports. And moose heads with fat Christmas lights through the antlers.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:44:21am |
re: #199 Decatur Deb
What is this 'DJ' thing? Bars have juke boxes, and B&W TVs set to Gillette Cavalcade of Sports. And moose heads with fat Christmas lights through the antlers.
When I was at Chili's we would all go to the steakhouse next door for drinks. About 20 of us a night. It was late enough where the people eating were gone. They had an 8 foot wooden Indian. A couple guys got drunk one night and stole it. The owner wasn't happy, although it was returned unharmed.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:52:55am |
re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar
When I was at Chili's we would all go to the steakhouse next door for drinks. About 20 of us a night. It was late enough where the people eating were gone. They had an 8 foot wooden Indian. A couple guys got drunk one night and stole it. The owner wasn't happy, although it was returned unharmed.
Couple of guys? And you were just sitting in the corner reading Sartre, and didn't see a thing.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:01:10am |
re: #201 Decatur Deb
Couple of guys? And you were just sitting in the corner reading Sartre, and didn't see a thing.
Actually, it was Mark and Mike who stole it. They were both students at Ringling Skool of Art in Sarasota. There's a way to waste 20K a year to become a waiter.
/half
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:03:57am |
re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, it was Mark and Mike who stole it. They were both students at Ringling Skool of Art in Sarasota. There's a way to waste 20K a year to become a waiter.
/half
You can major in 'Clown' at FSU Tallahassee. Good place to enter politics.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:07:30am |
re: #203 Decatur Deb
You can major in 'Clown' at FSU Tallahassee. Good place to enter politics.
Clown college at FSU. Please. Sarasota has/had the Harvard of Clown College.
Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Clown College (originally located in Venice, Florida, then relocated to Baraboo, Wisconsin and finally Sarasota, Florida) trained around 1,400 clowns in the "Ringling style" from 1968 to 1997.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:09:50am |
re: #203 Decatur Deb
And BTW, Tallahassee is a cesspool. And wasteful. Bastards!!!
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:14:17am |
re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar
And BTW, Tallahassee is a cesspool. And wasteful. Bastards!!!
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
Two great comedy/mysteries by a writer from the Tallahassee paper--Oyster Blues and Tattoo Blues. They send up the N Florida coast and Tallahassee poltics.
[Link: www.themysteryreader.com...]
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:14:43am |
I have spent a good part of my life showing what an intellectual bubble the Left lives in. That is why so many could believe that boys don’t really prefer trains to tea sets or girls dolls to army soldiers. Those who believe such nonsense usually live in an intellectual bubble. They are raised by liberal parents, taught by left-wing teachers from high school through graduate school, watch left-wing MTV and news, listen to liberal NPR, go to movies produced by leftists, etc. Their whole world is left-wing. They don’t watch, listen to, study under, or socialize with conservatives.
Dennis Prager also believes that secondhand smoke does not cause any health problems for anyone, ever. That means he probably stinks up his entire house with his stinking smoking. He belongs in a goddamn bubble.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:20:14am |
Martha Burk and her women's advocacy group first challenged the club 10 years ago over its all-male membership. The debate returned this year when IBM, one of the top corporate sponsors of the Masters, appointed Virginia Rometty as its chief executive. The previous four CEOs of Big Blue had all been Augusta National members.
The battle ended in typical style for Augusta National, with an understated announcement that left even Burk stunned.
"Oh my God. We won," she blurted out when contacted by The Associated Press.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
I will explain this slowly. Martha Burke had ZERO to do with women being allowed at Augusta. And BTW, there are still plenty of other golf clubs in America that don't allow women to be members, including one in Chicago. Also, woman have always been allowed to play there but had to be invited by a member, just like everyone else.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:24:22am |
re: #206 Cannadian Club Akbar
WTF Rouge? Show your ass!!!
Trying to get some paperwork wrapped up before I have to hit the road. I'm to tired and busy to say anything that makes sense but I have enough energy to upding things that amuse me. Amuse Me Damnit!
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:25:32am |
re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar
Augusta Golf Club was the stupidest women's rights cause EVER. WTF does Augusta Golf Club have to do with 99.999% of all women who aren't billionaires playing a stupid game?
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:26:53am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:28:40am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:29:25am |
re: #211 Learned Mother of Zion
Augusta Golf Club was the stupidest women's rights cause EVER. WTF does Augusta Golf Club have to do with 99.999% of all women who aren't billionaires playing a stupid game?
No big issue for me, but Condoleeza Rice has two golf wins in her belt this year--she is the first black (perhaps first woman) to join the dumb-ass Birmingham AL club.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:30:58am |
re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar
They could have just started with an Easy Bake oven in the club house, no?
No go. They don't work anymore with those energy-saver lightbulbs.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:31:00am |
re: #214 Decatur Deb
She's an amazing person. I'd carry her clubs around all day if it gave me the chance to talk to her for awhile.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:31:40am |
Here is a GIRL that can beat most men. And she is all of 10 years old...
[Link: www.abcactionnews.com...]
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:32:14am |
re: #216 RogueOne
She's an amazing person. I'd carry her clubs around all day if it gave me the chance to talk to her for awhile.
Mitt would have carried her clubs around all day if she'd agreed to be his VP...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:33:30am |
re: #218 Expand Your Ground
Mitt would have carried her clubs around all day if she'd agreed to be his VP...
I'd carry her clubs so long as she wore those high boots. Just sayin'.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:34:45am |
re: #219 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'd carry her clubs so long as she wore those high boots. Just sayin'.
I admit that I have entertained similar fantasies.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:35:18am |
re: #220 Expand Your Ground
I admit that I have entertained similar fantasies.
Me, you and Putin. Heh.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:41:54am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:43:52am |
Hey Alouette, there is a malware program in Windows XP (I sometimes listen to Leo Laporte). To run it, you click the "Run" button and type in "malrst" or something like that. Do you know what I am talking about. 'Cause I don't.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:44:27am |
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:53:00am |
re: #223 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hey Alouette, there is a malware program in Windows XP (I sometimes listen to Leo Laporte). To run it, you click the "Run" button and type in "malrst" or something like that. Do you know what I am talking about. 'Cause I don't.
So you ran it and now what? You keep getting these random gay Polish porn pop-up ads?
The only thing you can do is drop your computer into a vat of acid.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:54:57am |
re: #226 Learned Mother of Zion
So you ran it and now what? You keep getting these random gay Polish porn pop-up ads?
The only thing you can do is drop your computer into a vat of acid.
I'm half Polish. And I needed the money!! What?
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 4:57:17am |
re: #226 Learned Mother of Zion
Actually, my friend downloaded a super duper anti spyware program and it freezes up. Then it takes forever to close it out. I hate it. I also hate my friend.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 5:10:13am |
Pageworthy sutff, please, anybody feel free to run with this one.
The GOP is really letting its white sheets show under that three-piece suit:
Doug Preisse thought his racist comments were off the record
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abolitionist Wed, Aug 22, 2012 5:16:05am |
re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, my friend downloaded a super duper anti spyware program and it freezes up. Then it takes forever to close it out. I hate it. I also hate my friend.
You might suggest your friend check if the program is on this List of rogue security software. Might also check for adequate RAM.
Oh, you hate your friend? Nevermind.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 5:17:47am |
re: #230 abolitionist
You might suggest your friend check if the program is on this List of rogue security software. Might also check for adequate RAM.
Oh, you hate your friend? Nevermind.
Plenty of RAM, program not on the list. Thanks.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 22, 2012 5:19:53am |
re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, my friend downloaded a super duper anti spyware program and it freezes up. Then it takes forever to close it out. I hate it. I also hate my friend.
Is that one of those pop-up ads that "warns" you that your computer is infected with porn and viruses and CLICK HERE to remove? And then you CLICK HERE and it downloads the malware which disables Norton or McAfee or whatever anti-virus program you have, and blocks the links to their websites.
Yeah, my daughter got trapped by that, fucked up her laptop. I had pity on her and paid $75 to McAfee to clean it up.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 22, 2012 5:21:08am |
I bought Zedushka a new laptop for our anniversary. Malware pre-installed! (aka Windows 7)
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abolitionist Wed, Aug 22, 2012 5:25:27am |
re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar
A common issue with even legit security software is that installations for some (like McAfee and Norton) are notoriously difficult to completely ininstall. There are some specialty programs for this purpose. I'd had an issue with Microsoft Security Essentials tray icon disappearing repeatedly, along with some others, until I ran the special Norton removal tool.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 5:26:10am |
re: #232 Learned Mother of Zion
No, not like that. Apparently my friend has used this program before. I just downloaded ESET NOD32 for my anti-virus and I need to go through it because I thought it have anti-spy and malware. Or I'll just take this dinosaur to a geek and have him redo my stuff. I get the BSOD at least twice a day. Bah.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 5:58:07am |
Turtle taped to balloons floats over Calif. city
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
When the finally catch the person responsible for this, I'll bet the story has the phrase "authorities say alcohol was involved" in it.
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Destro Wed, Aug 22, 2012 5:58:14am |
re: #110 Mostly sane, most of the time.
We had a discussion the other night about how many cultures there were in which a woman's body was her husband's property to the extent that he could loan her sexual favors out as a hospitality to guests.
Lot offered up his virgin daughters to the mob in Sodom. That would not have been in the story unless those listening to it identified with the tradition - i.e. it was common.
In fact for centuries, the offering of the daughters by Lot was not much mentioned as anything weird - they found it weird the mob wanted to rape the male guests of Lot and not his daughters.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:01:13am |
What a fricken DUMBASS
I am tired of @barackobama talking about @mittromney's father. Why don't we discuss Barack Obama Sr.!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 22, 2012
What state was Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. the Governor of?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:04:02am |
re: #238 Learned Mother of Zion
What a fricken DUMBASS
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What state was Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. the Governor of?
Kenya?
///birther off...
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:05:09am |
re: #238 Learned Mother of Zion
What a fricken DUMBASS
[Embedded content]
What state was Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. the Governor of?
I assume it is has to do with them mentioning how Romney Sr. started the tradition of releasing multiple tax returns...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:09:52am |
Morning all!
Is there anything that is going to bring the Fox News Drones out of their hive? How can any woman support this shit?
and How are you?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:10:29am |
re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar
Turtle taped to balloons floats over Calif. city
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
When the finally catch the person responsible for this, I'll bet the story has the phrase "authorities say alcohol was involved" in it.
no shit!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:12:38am |
re: #242 ggt
no shit!
IIRC, in the movie "Ernest Goes to Camp" he puts balloons on snapping turtles and writes on their underside "death from above" while attacking the other camp. Heh.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:14:46am |
re: #226 Learned Mother of Zion
So you ran it and now what? You keep getting these random gay Polish porn pop-up ads?
The only thing you can do is drop your computer into a vat of acid.
What if they do like in Terminator and put it thru industrial machinery that crushes it?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:15:40am |
re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar
IIRC, in the movie "Ernest Goes to Camp" he puts balloons on snapping turtles and writes on their underside "death from above" while attacking the other camp. Heh.
I have to admit, my first reaction was to laugh a bit. I can see a bunch of college students doing this in the middle of the night. It's so wrong.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:17:17am |
re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar
Turtle taped to balloons floats over Calif. city
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
When the finally catch the person responsible for this, I'll bet the story has the phrase "authorities say alcohol was involved" in it.
As kids, we once had the idea of sticking bottlerockets into a turtle's leg openings and turning into Gamera, but fortunately, we never actually went through with it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:18:10am |
re: #214 Decatur Deb
No big issue for me, but Condoleeza Rice has two golf wins in her belt this year--she is the first black (perhaps first woman) to join the dumb-ass Birmingham AL club.
I thought the first black was admitted in 1990? no?
Anyway, Dr. Rice is one of my favorite people. I was lucky enough to attend her book signing and talk this/last (?) year. She was darling. I know that isn't the right way to describe a former SOS, but she was.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:18:39am |
re: #246 Expand Your Ground
As kids, we once had the idea of sticking bottlerockets into a turtle's leg openings and turning into Gamera, but fortunately, we never actually went through with it.
I would have also taped a roller skate to it to make it more mobile.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:22:29am |
re: #247 ggt
I thought the first black was admitted in 1990? no?
Anyway, Dr. Rice is one of my favorite people. I was lucky enough to attend her book signing and talk this/last (?) year. She was darling. I know that isn't the right way to describe a former SOS, but she was.
The club caught hell for being segregated in 1990. She seems to be the belated fix:
[Link: thegrio.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:24:43am |
"In other words, either you believe a woman has the right to decide not to be pregnant anymore, or you think you should get a say in her decision."
On my fb with the comment: "THINK ABOUT IT!"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:27:37am |
re: #229 Expand Your Ground
Pageworthy sutff, please, anybody feel free to run with this one.
The GOP is really letting its white sheets show under that three-piece suit:
Doug Preisse thought his racist comments were off the record
On my fb with the comment: "If anyone thinks this is reasonable: FUCK YOU!"
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The Left Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:32:23am |
re: #250 ggt
"In other words, either you believe a woman has the right to decide not to be pregnant anymore, or you think you should get a say in her decision."
On my fb with the comment: "THINK ABOUT IT!"
Oh cool, ggt, I'm glad you liked that one!
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:32:32am |
Good morning,
Okay I get it that it pays better to rob a rich persons house instead of a poor persons house. But maybe a little improved target selection is in order for a young felon who tried to rob LL Cool J in Studio City this morning. It did not go well for the robber. Maybe next time a target like maybe Woody Alan would work out better.
//
(Ladies I think you might like that link)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:33:24am |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:38:02am |
re: #252 Millicent Islam
Ice, how are ya?
Dragon_Lady just changed her account info, now an open blogger. Her next post will be as Donna Ballard.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:45:14am |
re: #253 Daniel Ballard
Good morning,
Okay I get it that it pays better to rob a rich persons house instead of a poor persons house. But maybe a little improved target selection is in order for a young felon who tried to rob LL Cool J in Studio City this morning. It did not go well for the robber. Maybe next time a target like maybe Woody Alan would work out better.
//(Ladies I think you might like that link)
I like LL Cool J!
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Bulworth Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:45:48am |
They are raised by liberal parents, taught by left-wing teachers from high school through graduate school, watch left-wing MTV and news, listen to liberal NPR, go to movies produced by leftists, etc. Their whole world is left-wing. They don’t watch, listen to, study under, or socialize with conservatives.
I was raised by fundamentalist Christian parents and went to fundamentalist Christian schools through the first two years of college. It was the bubble to end all bubbles.
And still, the nasty tenticles of soshulist liberal secularism somehow found their way into my existence to currupt me. //
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:47:39am |
Share if you agree. It seems we need to make the obvious go viral.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:48:50am |
re: #258 Bulworth
I was raised by fundamentalist Christian parents and went to fundamentalist Christian schools through the first two years of college. It was the bubble to end all bubbles.
And still, the nasty tenticles of soshulist liberal secularism somehow found their way into my existence to currupt me. //
Priests and nuns 24/7/365 for 10 years. RFK Democrat with Wobbly overlay.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:49:41am |
“There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women."
Madeleine Albright
(Keynote speech at Celebrating Inspiration luncheon with the WNBA's All-Decade Team, 2006)”
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:51:03am |
Guess who has come out with his own spirited defense of Todd Akin (R-12th Century).
Mike Seaver (aka Kirk Cameron).
One defender? Kirk Cameron. The child-star-turned-evangelist was on CNN this morning discussing the remarks, and Cameron encouraged people to watch the whole video (which you can here) and then said, “[Akin] is clearly a pro-life advocate and I respect him. He said that he misspoke and that he misphrased something and that he apologized.”
Rep. Akin released a statement after the interview saying he “misspoke,” but hasn’t backed away from his remarks. Despite calls on Akin to get out of the Missouri Senate race, so far he’s staying in.
“I’m the kind of person that believes that I would like to be evaluated by my entire career and my entire life, not two words that I would misspeak and then later apologize for,” Cameron told CNN. “So he’s in a tough spot.”
He didn't misspeak. He didn't misphrase anything. Akin said exactly what he thought. He believes that there is such a thing as legitimate rape - and his prior history about trying to impose restrictions for forcible rape are proof that this is part of what Akin actually believes.
In other words, if we go by what Akin has said and done over his entire political career - these words that Akin claims was a misspeak aren't. Akin meant exactly what he said. He just realized too late the political ramifications of what he said and how it will turn into a mess for him and the rest of the GOP going into November (well, not really since he's still in the race and may have a shot at winning the Senate seat precisely because of his views on rape and abortion and his constituency).
Cameron is right in one respect though- Akin is in a tough spot, along with the rest of the GOP that has wholly subsumed the so con agenda.
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djcelts Wed, Aug 22, 2012 6:55:30am |
re: #174 wheatdogg
This is the second best quote in the piece second only to her rant about quitting (which she is an expert on)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:00:27am |
Racist!!!
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:07:40am |
Believe me I've walked that before I know when you have to hold that mantle and then pass it to someone else to progress a positive agenda
Ice and I just watched this and all we have to say is that's a lot of words for 'quitter'.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:14:59am |
re: #268 Aye Pod
Ice and I just watched this and all we have to say is that's a lot of words for 'quitter'.
Her whoe interview was a lot of words for "I don't know what the f*ck I am talking about but I don't like Obama!"
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Destro Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:20:07am |
I like how Sarah Palin says she won't gloat and then proceeds to gloat. Also, She is not looking well these days as if the snub from the convention made her so angry she kind of went into a depression and it affects how she looks. I mean I am seeing a really pissed of and venomous Palin and her venom is geared towards the GOP establishment.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:22:44am |
re: #270 Destro
I like how Sarah Palin says she won't gloat and then proceeds to gloat. Also, She is not looking well these days as if the snub from the convention made her so angry she kind of went into a depression and it affects how she looks. I mean I am seeing a really pissed of and venomous Palin and her venom is geared towards the GOP establishment.
Yunno, the TP always said it was against "the establishment", regardless of which party it was...so it is just deserts in this case.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:27:44am |
God disses Romney-Ryan and GOP establishment by telling Akin to stay in race. Now sending Hurricane Isaac towards Tampa RNC. Revealing bias?— roadkillrefugee (@rkref) August 22, 2012
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:28:49am |
re: #275 Interesting Times
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Surely God has sent Hurricane Isaac towards the RNC as a sign for their sins!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:29:26am |
Breaking News: SEC to Vote on Conflict Minerals Rules
Anyone following the unfolding of Dodd-Frank regulations?
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erik_t Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:29:27am |
re: #276 Gus
Surely God has sent Hurricane Isaac towards the RNC as a sign for their sins!
He's saying Boo-urns! Boo-urns!
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:32:38am |
If Issac gets close to Tampa, here is a link to listen to.
[Link: www.970wfla.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:33:06am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:34:18am |
re: #280 ggt
What was I saying about men like Akin trying to appease their own consciouses?
re: #1 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can't watch. But I will post a Tshirt I saw earlier today.
[Link: www.tshirthell.com...]
Heh.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:34:40am |
re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar
Daughter 1 (with wife as escort) is flying back there next week to donate stem cells/bone marrow. Not the best scheduling effort on the hospital team's part.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:35:58am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:36:00am |
re: #282 Decatur Deb
Daughter 1 (with wife as escort) is flying back there next week to donate stem cells/bone marrow. Not the best scheduling effort on the hospital team's part.
Hurricanes aren't predictable this far out. Although it could skirt the area like Debby earlier this year.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:36:47am |
re: #283 ggt
No reason to apologize. It needed to be repeated.:)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:37:28am |
re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hurricanes aren't predictable this far out. Although it could skirt the area like Debby earlier this year.
Mostly thinking about the airport chaos the RNC will cause. The plan is to start killing the recipient's bone marrow before she flies.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:37:37am |
Wake Up. It's not just Akin. It's the GOP.
Read.It.All.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:41:04am |
re: #287 Decatur Deb
Mostly thinking about the airport chaos the RNC will cause. The plan is to start killing the recipient's bone marrow before she flies.
Oh. Didn't know that. But there are a couple other airports near by. St. Pete/Clearwater, Albert Whitted, Depending on her flight, of course.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:43:59am |
Protest group video spurs RNC concern from Tampa police
TAMPA -- As security officials prepare for next week's Republican National Convention, Tampa police are investigating whether there are links between the Aug. 15 posting of a YouTube video purporting to be from the hacker collective known as Anonymous and the discovery of pipes and bricks on a downtown rooftop two days later.
The eight-minute video, titled "ANONYMOUS: Message 2 RNC Activists F.B.I TPD & PI Bill Warner," features a figure in a blue outfit wearing a Guy Fawkes mask, speaking in a computer-altered voice.
The video shows images of a car burning and police in riot gear marching through an unidentified city. The figure says, "You have an opportunity to fight back at the Republican National Convention. How you fight back is up to you … but it is a fact that flowers and holding up signs stopped working long ago."
The pipes and bricks were found Friday on the roof of a building at 1004 N. Florida Ave., on the northwest corner of Florida Avenue and Tyler Street. Graffiti, including the numeral "99" and an image of a person wearing a Guy Fawkes mask, similar to those worn by members of the Anonymous collective, as well as Occupy movement protestors, was found on the building.
Because of the graffiti found at the building and the message delivered in the video, police are looking to see if the two are linked, said Assistant Police Chief John Bennett.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:44:08am |
re: #289 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh. Didn't know that. But there are a couple other airports near by. St. Pete/Clearwater, Albert Whitted, Depending on her flight, of course.
What area does Whitted serve? They're doing it at a university center research shop out towards Pasco.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:44:18am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:45:13am |
re: #291 Decatur Deb
What area does Whitted serve? They're doing it at a university center research shop out towards Pasco.
Not sure. I think St. Pete. But there is also an airfield in Hernando County, IIRC.
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dragonath Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:45:36am |
re: #292 ggt
That's just asking for the inquistition, by golly!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:46:47am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:47:26am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:47:27am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:49:14am |
re: #295 Decatur Deb
Thnx.
Is your daughter going to TGH (Tampa) or All Children's (St. Pete)? Another, possibly?
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:51:04am |
re: #261 ggt
“There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women."
Madeleine Albright
(Keynote speech at Celebrating Inspiration luncheon with the WNBA's All-Decade Team, 2006)”
Was she allowed to get her diploma after using that word in her speech?
//
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:52:06am |
re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is your daughter going to TGH (Tampa) or All Children's (St. Pete)? Another, possibly?
Moffett Center, part of the university, is what I've got. Might be experimental--we weren't even allowed to give blood when we got back from our base in Italy (mad cow in the food chain).
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:52:08am |
re: #288 lawhawk
Wake Up. It's not just Akin. It's the GOP.
Read.It.All.
Wow. LZ Granderson was SEARING.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:52:57am |
Police 'overzealous' in handling of Al-Quds counter-protester: rights advocate
TORONTO - Toronto Police may have been “overzealous” in their handling of two Jewish protesters during an anti-Israel rally at Queen’s Park last Saturday, says a civil liberties advocate.
Noa Mendelsohn Aviv, of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association said Tuesday there may have been a “problematic” double standard on the part of officers who allegedly threatened to charge a Jewish man who arrived at an Al-Quds Day rally carrying a large Israeli flag, as well as officers who allegedly handcuffed another man for bringing his dog to the Islamic demonstration.
“It appears, based on these incidents, that the police were being overzealous in their reactions to counter protesters,” said Aviv. “Toronto Police need to exercise their authority to protect both the rights of protestors and of counter protesters, who also have a right to express their opinions and to use public space for this purpose.”
Al-Quds Day was started in Iran to mark the end of Ramadan and to call for the destruction of Israel and the creation of a Palestinian.
No dogs or Israel flags are permitted at a rally calling for the destruction of Israel in Toronto!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:53:18am |
re: #302 Decatur Deb
Moffett Center, part of the university, is what I've got. Might be experimental--we weren't even allowed to give blood when we got back from our base in Italy (mad cow in the food chain).
Part of USF, I believe. One of the top cancer research hospitals in the country. In Tampa, on either Fowler or Fletcher.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:53:47am |
re: #294 dragonath
That's just asking for the inquistition, by golly!
Yeah, I think there is going to be a rift between American Catholics and the Vatican. A few of us are going to be following the Nuns!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:54:04am |
re: #305 Cannadian Club Akbar
Part of USF, I believe. One of the top cancer research hospitals in the country. In Tampa, on either Fowler or Fletcher.
[Link: www.moffitt.org...]
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:54:45am |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
Peaceful protesters!
Neither Anonymous nor the Black Bloc, said the narrator, is violent. They are taking "a stand for the hungry, the poor, the suffering citizens of this country who are sick of politicians doing what they please at our expense."
LOL!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:55:56am |
re: #305 Cannadian Club Akbar
Part of USF, I believe. One of the top cancer research hospitals in the country. In Tampa, on either Fowler or Fletcher.
Good to know. I checked them on the 'net, and they looked good. I'd still want my donor in the next room, not the next state, with a hurricane and convention in the way.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:56:40am |
re: #310 Decatur Deb
Good to know. I checked them on the 'net, and they looked good. I'd still want my donor in the next room, not the next state, with a hurricane and convention in the way.
[Link: www.flyhernando.com...]
Prolly less hectic.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 7:58:24am |
Whoops. $716 billion that Romney says he'd restore to Medicare would end up hastening the program's default by eight years. Oh, and his choice for VP used the same cuts as part of his own budget plans.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:00:24am |
Anarchists are looking at today's GOP and thinking, "Jeez, you guys need to get it together."— Tina Dupuy (@TinaDupuy) August 22, 2012
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:02:11am |
re: #312 lawhawk
Whoops. $716 billion that Romney says he'd restore to Medicare would end up hastening the program's default by eight years. Oh, and his choice for VP used the same cuts as part of his own budget plans.
Nothing to see here! Move along.
-- Reince Priebus
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:02:23am |
I gotta take a break.
Have a great day all!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:02:56am |
re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.flyhernando.com...]
Prolly less hectic.
Thanks again--worst case we can drive in 10 hrs or so, though we'd start near Birmingham.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:03:04am |
Mitt Romney won't be adhering to Mitt Romney's budget.
-- Reince Priebus
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erik_t Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:03:42am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:04:26am |
re: #318 Decatur Deb
Thanks again--worst case we can drive in 10 hrs or so, though we'd start near Birmingham.
The link in my #307 has directions from I-75 should you chose that route.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:04:32am |
Really?
Oklahoma kindergartner banned from wearing Michigan shirt
An Oklahoma City kindergartner was forced to turn his University of Michigan shirt inside out last week because it violated a city ban on any apparel not supportive of the state's college teams.
Cooper Barton, 5, comes from a family of Michigan fans. He went to school wearing a maize and blue shirt with "The Big House," the nickname for Michigan's 114,000-seat stadium, written on the front. The school principal made Cooper turn the shirt inside out due to the state policy.
The rule is among many restricting clothing and dress in the city schools. It came into effect in 2005 after suggestions from a gang task force. On the list of banned items, non-Oklahoma college dress falls directly in between gang symbol haircuts and "satanic cult dress, witchcraft and related symbols."
Professional apparel of any kind is also banned. It's a good thing. I've heard first-graders wearing Oklahoma Thunder shirts are bad news.
You have to watch out for those kindergarten gangs. they are vicious!
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researchok Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:05:01am |
re: #319 Gus
Like living inside a Salvador Dali painting.
The lifespan and continued relevance of that that tired line is just incredible.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:05:47am |
re: #322 NJDhockeyfan
Really?
Oklahoma kindergartner banned from wearing Michigan shirt
You have to watch out for those kindergarten gangs. they are vicious!
They have Spartans in OK? Who knew?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:05:57am |
re: #324 researchok
Like living inside a Salvador Dali painting.
The lifespan and continued relevance of that that tired line is just incredible.
Salvador Dali museum is in St. Pete. Enjoy it on your trip to the RNC.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:06:03am |
re: #309 ggt
are you responding to my comment? I am for teaching abstinence as one of the methods possible, stressing that it is the only 100% reliable method (as long as one remains 100% abstinent, of course), and should one fail, then there are other less-than-100% reliable methods.
That is all.
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wheat-dogg Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:06:08am |
re: #309 ggt
Trolls. With really bad senses of humor.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:06:20am |
re: #324 researchok
Like living inside a Salvador Dali painting.
The lifespan and continued relevance of that that tired line is just incredible.
Mitt Romney is a lizard that can change colors.
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:06:41am |
re: #327 Expand Your Ground
are you responding to my comment? I am for teaching abstinence as one of the methods possible, stressing that it is the only 100% reliable method (as long as one remains 100% abstinent, of course), and should one fail, then there are other less-than-100% reliable methods.
That is all.
Me thinks she was referring to the ones she down-dinged.
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erik_t Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:06:48am |
re: #327 Expand Your Ground
are you responding to my comment? I am for teaching abstinence as one of the methods possible, stressing that it is the only 100% reliable method (as long as one remains 100% abstinent, of course)
It works as long as it works?
Deep, man. Deep.
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researchok Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:07:15am |
re: #326 Cannadian Club Akbar
I get enough of weird political shit right here in NC.
My whole state is a Dali Museum.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:07:52am |
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researchok Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:07:53am |
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:08:23am |
Pageworthy sutff, please, anybody feel free to run with this one.The GOP is really letting its white sheets show under that three-piece suit:
Doug Preisse thought his racist comments were off the record
Went ahead and did it since it looked like no one else had yet.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:08:53am |
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:09:01am |
re: #336 dragonfire1981
re: #229 Expand Your Ground
Went ahead and did it since it looked like no one else had yet.
thank you, I do not page...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:10:02am |
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wheat-dogg Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:11:02am |
re: #327 Expand Your Ground
Then, what's with this remark?
And heck, if you are out enjoying a walk in the fields or the forest, you might just get your shoues [sic] dirty. What the heck is wrong with that?
Given ggt's choice of a headline, that comment comes off as rather trollish. Insensitive, too, I might add.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:11:38am |
re: #331 erik_t
It works as long as it works?
Deep, man. Deep.
Another thing they need to teach is basic statistics: if a method is 99.9% effective, it does not mean you have to do it 1000 times before it fails once, it can fail on the first, fiftieth or five-hundreth time around.
Kids after hitting puberty have a fully functinal reproductive system. We really need to give them the information they need in order to allow them to be able to deal with it responsibly, not just give them one option - abstinence - and tell them that they are screwed (literally) if it fails...
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researchok Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:11:48am |
I'm just slacking off today.
I put up the last piece of my series so tomorrow, back to regular 3 AM and daily posts.
Ya missed me, right?
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:12:46am |
re: #344 researchok
I'm just slacking off today.
I put up the last piece of my series so tomorrow, back to regular 3 AM and daily posts.
Ya missed me, right?
/
We just need time to reload.
/
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:13:00am |
re: #333 RayFerd
Yep, they should bring guns like normal protesters.
Been there, done that.
Alleged gunmen in Louisiana cop slayings linked to anarchist movement
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simoom Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:13:09am |
re: #136 jaunte
Side issues!
As for the president’s claim that Romney-Ryan will restrict birth control, Ryan calls that ridiculous.
“Nobody is proposing to deny birth control to anybody,” says Ryan.
Ryan says women won’t fall for these side issues.
“And I don’t think they’re going to take the bait of all these distractions that the President is trying to throw at them.”
[Link: pittsburgh.cbslocal.com...]
Romney on the Blunt Amendment, which was specifically a response to the contraception mandate, but was so broad that it applied to any medical service, allowing any employer to deny insurance coverage over moral objections:
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
In the Senate, Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., sponsored an amendment that would exempt employers from providing any service that went against their "beliefs or moral convictions."
...
A few weeks later, with a vote on the Blunt amendment pending, Romney was asked where he stood. He told a Boston radio interviewer "Of course I support the Blunt amendment."
Ryan also supported the measure.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:13:18am |
re: #342 wheatdogg
Then, what's with this remark?
Given ggt's choice of a headline, that comment comes off as rather trollish. Insensitive, too, I might add.
I like dirty girls...
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:13:40am |
Republicans are now those corny, deny-all-sensible-actions type politicians from really bad sci-fi movies of the 50s & 60s.— Shoq Value (@Shoq) August 22, 2012
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wheat-dogg Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:13:56am |
re: #343 Expand Your Ground
On this, I can agree, though middle school students will tune out statistics. But, you know, we could, like, discuss this on ggt's page, instead of highjacking this thread.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:14:21am |
re: #346 NJDhockeyfan
Been there, done that.
Alleged gunmen in Louisiana cop slayings linked to anarchist movement
OY. That's rich.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:15:35am |
re: #346 NJDhockeyfan
Been there, done that.
Alleged gunmen in Louisiana cop slayings linked to anarchist movement
Nope. That's RW "sovereign citizen" nutcases. Anarchistic, but about 180 degrees from LW Black Bloc. (Yeah, generalizing. Have Jonah Goldberg sue me.)
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:16:00am |
re: #350 wheatdogg
On this, I can agree, though middle school students will tune out statistics. But, you know, we could, like, discuss this on ggt's page, instead of highjacking this thread.
sorry, too lazy to change threads...
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GunstarGreen Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:18:50am |
re: #53 Dark_Falcon
I don't know what to believe on that matter.
I go with believing the thing that doesn't cause massive legal complications if people treat it appropriately. Personhood at conception opens the door for all kinds of common occurrences to suddenly become illegal, or at least legally muddy. Most forms of contraception are now murder. Many situations of miscarriage are now manslaughter. Many activities that a pregnant woman might engage in are now reckless endangerment.
Is this slippery slope? Yes, to a degree. But if the just-after-conception zygote is now legally defined as a person, and if we afford to it all of the legal protections that every other person is given, then all of these things are now legal realities. The only way they are not is to treat this person as a person in some cases, and not a person in other cases, which is legally ridiculous.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:20:14am |
Religious Right ministry breaks with David Barton, warns his work is "riddled with misinformation" bit.ly/NgNKrY— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) August 22, 2012
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:20:20am |
This will be fun:
GOP Approves ‘Most Conservative Platform In Modern History’
No abortions for any reason at all, even rape or incest? Check.
Mandatory ultrasounds? Check.
Arizona-style immigration laws on the federal level? Yep.
Audit the Fed? You betcha.
No women in combat, ever and no "social experimentation" with the military? Absolutely.
Oh and there's also this charming bit of economic illiteracy:
The platform calls for a Constitutional amendment requiring a super-majority to approve any tax increase, “with exceptions for only war and national emergencies.” It would also deliberately hobble future Congresses through a cap limiting all government spending to historical average percentage of GDP — “so that future Congresses cannot balance the budget by raising taxes.”
And that's just a small sample. The full platform will no doubt be a barrel of laughs.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:20:29am |
re: #354 GunstarGreen
I go with believing the thing that doesn't cause massive legal complications if people treat it appropriately. Personhood at conception opens the door for all kinds of common occurrences to suddenly become illegal, or at least legally muddy. Most forms of contraception are now murder. Many situations of miscarriage are now manslaughter. Many activities that a pregnant woman might engage in are now reckless endangerment.
Is this slippery slope? Yes, to a degree. But if the just-after-conception zygote is now legally defined as a person, and if we afford to it all of the legal protections that every other person is given, then all of these things are now legal realities. The only way they are not is to treat this person as a person in some cases, and not a person in other cases, which is legally ridiculous.
Add IVF. Two of Romney's sons would be felons.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:21:21am |
re: #356 Lidane
This will be fun:
GOP Approves ‘Most Conservative Platform In Modern History’
No abortions for any reason at all, even rape or incest? Check.
Mandatory ultrasounds? Check.
Arizona-style immigration laws on the federal level? Yep.
Audit the Fed? You betcha.
No women in combat, ever and no "social experimentation" with the military? Absolutely.
Oh and there's also this charming bit of economic illiteracy:
And that's just a small sample. This promises to be fun.
Nothing to see here! Move along.
-- Reince Priebus
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:21:25am |
It appears that time and again those most prone to initiating any type of oppressive behavior against another group are also most vociferous in claiming victimization when called on it.
Akin's behavior fits the pattern. His apologists (defenders and minimizers) fit the pattern.
The height of this carnival logic is not only claiming victimization, but claiming that the actual victimized group are the real oppressors (gay lobby, 'those who cry racism are the real racists', etc). Load another layer of victimization by other nefarious groups (mainstream media), and you have the typical conservative worldview held by most in the GOP.
It's a complex of projection that, when looked at as a whole, is becoming more apparent.
I've been wondering if things really are getting worse or the the advent of real time mass information only made it easier to communicate with each other and see what's really there and been there all along. Taking aside the fact that a black dude is prez, I don't think the increase in communication necessarily made things worse: it put us in touch with what's really there, what's been there all along.
We haven't really come that far beyond old grievances based on nationality, race, or ideology. Which means we can still be manipulated by them.
I'm left with that cynical fear that those who project the most worry and fear about oppressive government/leftists/socialists are the ones we have the most to worry about should they come into any real power. It seems as if those who worry most about government control and oppression have issues with control and oppression of gays and minorities. I shudder to think if somebody like Akin was Pres, or, what if somebody like Beck, Alex Jones, or Dana Loesch came into any real political power?
Instead of It Can't Happen Here, it Sure Could Happen Again.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:22:44am |
re: #346 NJDhockeyfan
Been there, done that.
Alleged gunmen in Louisiana cop slayings linked to anarchist movement
And the anarchist movement they belonged to? From caption under the officers photos:
Brandon Neilsen, 34, and Jeremy Triche, 27, were gunned down during a deadly rampage in Louisiana Thursday morning. Several of the alleged gunmen have been linked to the sovereign citizen movement.
Now the sovereign citizen movement is part of OWS? Is that what I should get from this? The SCM is a leftist, hippie org?
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:23:16am |
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:24:14am |
Anarchists planning to disrupt GOP convention clearly aligned with Democrats. Because parties in power love.....uh, anarchists. #RNC #tcot— Willard Mitt Romney (@MlTTR0MNEY) August 22, 2012
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:24:37am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:26:32am |
re: #362 RayFerd
And the anarchist movement they belonged to? From caption under the officers photos:
Brandon Neilsen, 34, and Jeremy Triche, 27, were gunned down during a deadly rampage in Louisiana Thursday morning. Several of the alleged gunmen have been linked to the sovereign citizen movement.Now the sovereign citizen movement is part of OWS? Is that what I should get from this? The SCM is a leftist, hippie org?
This in NJDWorld. You're only living in it.
;P
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:29:08am |
re: #368 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
This in NJDWorld. You're only living in it.
;P
Drum circles and fully locked and loaded AK's.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:30:22am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:31:03am |
re: #369 RayFerd
Drum circles and fully locked and loaded AK's.
The neighbors bought their kid a drum for Christmas last year. I finally asked the kid "do you ever wonder what is inside the drum"? Problem solved.
/
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:31:41am |
re: #365 Gus
[Embedded content]
Luckily, Obama and most of the Dem establishment stayed away from OWS but don't be surprised if it becomes fodder for campaign ads and talking points.
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:32:13am |
Yes, I did just Godwin the entire GOP. Lots of Netflix/History Channel WW2 documentaries lately feeding my thoughts.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:32:42am |
re: #372 Killgore Trout
Luckily, Obama and most of the Dem establishment stayed away from OWS but don't be surprised if it becomes fodder for campaign ads and talking points.
I would bet you dollars to doughnuts on that...
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:33:10am |
Damn, another day of loud trucks doing sewer work here. This town loves any excuse to dig up a road and start messing with sewer lines.
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wheat-dogg Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:34:58am |
re: #375 Killgore Trout
My university here had all summer to put in new storm sewers, to alleviate the flooding during heavy rains. So, when do they start digging up half the campus? Two weeks before classes start.
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:35:38am |
re: #372 Killgore Trout
Luckily, Obama and most of the Dem establishment stayed away from OWS but don't be surprised if it becomes fodder for campaign ads and talking points.
I don't think it was luck, and it's not like it hasn't been and continues to be tried.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:37:51am |
Romney HQ engages in a bit of wishful thinking:
Romney Camp Sets Lofty Goal: 38 Percent Of Latino Vote
The Romney campaign has set an ambitious goal for the portion of the Latino vote necessary to defeat President Barack Obama.
Jose Fuentes, a co-chairman of Mitt Romney's Latino leadership team and former attorney general of Puerto Rico, told The Hill that the Republican ticket is aiming to claim 38 percent of the Latino vote in November — larger than the 31 percent captured by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2008 and just a shade below the impressive 40 percent mark reached by former President George W. Bush in 2004.
Heh. Good luck with that.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:38:15am |
Finally! A third party candidate!!!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:38:22am |
re: #372 Killgore Trout
Luckily, Obama and most of the Dem establishment stayed away from OWS but don't be surprised if it becomes fodder for campaign ads and talking points.
The right wing has already attached fringe groups to Obama since the dawn of man. Attached OWS would be a more mainstream attachment compared to Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. Know what I mean? These people for the most part are on the Paulian end of things. They don't like either party.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:39:40am |
re: #381 Gus
The right wing has already attached fringe groups to Obama since the dawn of man. Attached OWS would be a more mainstream attachment compared to Stalin, Hitler, and Mao.
The logic is clear: they both hate America. Therefore they are all but identical.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:39:59am |
re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar
Finally! A third party candidate!!!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Vote for me on my 3rd party platform!
• Legalize Pot
• Pro-Life
• Stop the Endless Wars
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:40:30am |
The Frothy One proves he's a team player:
Santorum: Romney Won’t Win If Election Is About His Business Record
Former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum offered a candid assessment of Mitt Romney's chances in an interview with the Daily Beast's Howard Kurtz published Wednesday.
“If the campaign is about issues, we win,” Santorum said. “If it’s about Mitt Romney’s record as a businessman, then we don’t win. If it’s about Mitt Romney’s tax returns, then we don’t win. If it’s about whether people like Mitt Romney more than Barack Obama, then we don’t win.”
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:41:19am |
re: #381 Gus
They don't like either party.
That's why Oakland OWS/archy/hooligans broke out Obama Campaign's office windows.
OWS is truly fringe.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:41:39am |
Hmmm. Until there are no more to prosecute.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:42:04am |
re: #385 Kronocide
That's why Oakland OWS/archy/hooligans broke out Obama Campaign's office windows.
OWS is truly fringe.
Drones and kill lists!!11ty
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:43:13am |
re: #386 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hmmm. Until there are no more to prosecute.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
To the last one, on his deathbed.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:43:47am |
Texas Judge suggests he will join 'Civil Unrest, Civil Disobedience, Civil War Maybe' if Obama is reelected thkpr.gs/O65t3v— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) August 22, 2012
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:44:22am |
re: #379 Lidane
Romney HQ engages in a bit of wishful thinking:
Romney Camp Sets Lofty Goal: 38 Percent Of Latino Vote
Heh. Good luck with that.
I just pictured Romney meeting his "Latino leadership team" for the first time and, sounding disappointed, saying "I was hoping to see more Sombreros and perhaps a mariachi band."
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:46:59am |
re: #392 dragonfire1981
I just pictured Romney meeting his "Latino leadership team" for the first time and, sounding disappointed, saying "I was hoping to see more Sombreros and perhaps a mariachi band."
It wouldn't shock me at all.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:47:09am |
re: #390 Gus
[Embedded content]
...
Dar's buck-wheat cakes an 'Ingen' batter,
Makes you fat or a little fatter;
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
Den hoe it down an scratch your grabble,
To Dixie land I'm bound to trabble.
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:48:22am |
re: #386 Cannadian Club Akbar
An Israeli researcher has been carrying out an archeological dig at Sobibor and has revealed new details about that camp. No one has really undertaken a systematic review and the setup of the camp was based on conjecture and witness statements - but because there were so few survivors of the camp, the researcher has turned up major surprises about the camp.
He's also uncovered artifacts as well as remains of victims. His findings also seem to indicate that the number of victims at Sobibor may surpass the totals previously attributed to the camp.
It's emotionally charged work, but absolutely necessary.
In the process, he's acting as a forensic detective trying to uncover details about the camp that were first covered up by the Nazis when they destroyed the camp and that have since been lost to time/
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:48:45am |
re: #390 Gus
[Embedded content]
Texas Judge suggests he will join ‘Civil Unrest, Civil Disobedience, Civil War Maybe’ if Obama is reelected
I really begin to wonder how we can begin to accomodate people like this and still remain a modern industrialized democracy.
Why do these people have a problem with a legally and democratically elected government? I understand the notion of armed rebellion against a tyrant or usurper, but our government is made up of elected citizens, not some foreign aristocracy.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:50:38am |
re: #398 Expand Your Ground
Why do these people have a problem with a legally and democratically elected government?
Because there's a black man with an African name in the White House.
Simple as that.
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gwangung Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:52:13am |
re: #398 Expand Your Ground
Texas Judge suggests he will join ‘Civil Unrest, Civil Disobedience, Civil War Maybe’ if Obama is reelected
I really begin to wonder how we can begin to accomodate people like this and still remain a modern industrialized democracy.
Why do these people have a problem with a legally and democratically elected government? I understand the notion of armed rebellion against a tyrant or usurper, but our government is made up of elected citizens, not some foreign aristocracy.
They sound, for all the world, like a bunch of spoiled five year olds throwing a tantrum because they're not getting their way.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:53:08am |
re: #398 Expand Your Ground
Texas Judge suggests he will join ‘Civil Unrest, Civil Disobedience, Civil War Maybe’ if Obama is reelected
I really begin to wonder how we can begin to accomodate people like this and still remain a modern industrialized democracy.
Why do these people have a problem with a legally and democratically elected government? I understand the notion of armed rebellion against a tyrant or usurper, but our government is made up of elected citizens, not some foreign aristocracy.
Hell hath no fury like a bitter, cranky, bigot. They were pulling the same crap in 2008. That an Obama win would lead to riots, insurrection, or civil war. They even went as far a predicting black riots if Obama lost. But it all came from the same folks who've been blowing their bigoted hot air since then.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:53:19am |
re: #398 Expand Your Ground
Texas Judge suggests he will join ‘Civil Unrest, Civil Disobedience, Civil War Maybe’ if Obama is reelected
I really begin to wonder how we can begin to accomodate people like this and still remain a modern industrialized democracy.
Why do these people have a problem with a legally and democratically elected government? I understand the notion of armed rebellion against a tyrant or usurper, but our government is made up of elected citizens, not some foreign aristocracy.
Remember when Scott Walker won the recall election and that one guy was on camera CRYING and saying that "democracy died today"? Yea. I think democracy actually worked that day. I also think that guy owns 20 cats.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:53:37am |
re: #346 NJDhockeyfan
Not just any anarchist movement - they're linked to the sovereign citizen movement. They don't believe in the authority of the US government nor state governments. They assassinated those two sheriffs in a deliberate act following a routine traffic stop because of a license plate infraction that led to a shootout. It was in the course of that shooting's investigation that they ambushed the other sheriffs and killed them.
That isn't OWS by any stretch.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:54:57am |
re: #377 wheatdogg
Welcome to the wonderful world of municipal/bureaucratic contracting and permitting. /
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:55:22am |
[Obama] is going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the UN. Okay, what’s going to happen when that happens? I’m thinking worst case scenario here. Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war maybe. We’re not just talking a few riots here and demonstrations. We’re talking Lexington-Concord take up arms and get rid of the guy.
Now what’s going to happen if we do that, if the public decides to do that? He’s going to send in U.N. troops — with the little blue beanies. I don’t want ‘em in Lubbock County. Okay. So I’m going to stand in front of their armored personnel carrier and say ‘you’re not coming in here’. “And the sheriff, I’ve already asked him, I said ‘you gonna back me’ he said, ‘yeah, I’ll back you.’”
-- Judge Tom Head, County Judge, Lubbock, Texas
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:57:23am |
#GOP=GynecologicallyObtuseParty#GOP=GynecologicalObsessionParty#GOP=GynecologicalObstructionParty#GOP=GynecologicalOwnershipParty— alasscan (@ak2sandiego) August 22, 2012
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:58:30am |
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ReamWorks SKG Wed, Aug 22, 2012 8:58:39am |
Maybe I need to get my hearing checked or my medication adjusted, but I couldn't make sense of anything anyone said on that Fox news broadcast.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:00:44am |
It's like @toddakin is screwing the GOP even though they asked him not to. There should be a word for that.— Eric Morse (@elmorse) August 21, 2012
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allegro Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:02:01am |
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:02:24am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:02:41am |
Iran's supreme leader orders fresh terror attacks on West
Iran's Supreme Leader has ordered the country's Revolutionary Guards to intensify its campaign of terror attacks against the West and its allies in retaliation for supporting the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:04:14am |
re: #414 lawhawk
gesundheit!
Germans refuse to believe that's what we say in America when someone sneezes.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:05:35am |
re: #415 Expand Your Ground
Germans refuse to believe that's what we say in America when someone sneezes.
Goesintight. Better?
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:07:17am |
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:08:20am |
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Sionainn Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:09:26am |
re: #415 Expand Your Ground
Germans refuse to believe that's what we say in America when someone sneezes.
I didn't realize what it meant until I just looked it up now. Yeah, I can see why Germans would think that's odd.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:10:08am |
re: #416 Cannadian Club Akbar
Goesintight. Better?
/
The local bakery was offering a peach crumble sheet cake: Pfirsischstreuselblechkuchen The wife commented, "That sounds good!".
I replied, "It might taste terrific, but it sounds awful!"
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:11:57am |
re: #400 gwangung
They sound, for all the world, like a bunch of spoiled five year olds throwing a tantrum because they're not getting their way.
What were they saying to the left when Bush the Lesser won reelection? I think it was something along the lines of "GET OVER IT"
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:14:10am |
Damn, this is ugly...
Influential Saudi Cleric: Holocaust A "Myth Of Tremendous Proportions"
A disturbing new video has surfaced featuring an interview with a prominent Saudi Arabian Islamic Cleric by the name of Salman Al-Ouda. In his chilling words, Al-Ouda casually dismisses the Holocaust, saying it has become “a myth of tremendous proportions.”
Without hesitation, Al-Ouda went on to claim that “the role of the Jews is to wreak destruction, to wage war, and to practice deception and extortion.” And that the Jewish people “believe that they have the right to kill anyone who does not adhere to their religion.”
Named in the top 500 most influential Muslims in the world, Salman Al-Ouda is currently a member of the International Union for Muslim Scholars and on its Board of Trustees. He is also director of the Arabic edition of the website Islam Today, appears on a number of TV shows, and authors newspaper articles.
With over a million Twitter followers, Al-Ouda is considered to be one of Saudi Arabia’s most prominent religious spokespersons. A well-known Islamist scholar, Al-Ouda is respected and revered by millions around the world.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:15:24am |
FFS, enough with the right-wing victimhood: Limbaugh says National Hurricane Center HOPING Isaac hits Tampa.— Tom Tomorrow (@tomtomorrow) August 22, 2012
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:18:57am |
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:19:12am |
He meant the Weather Channel. MT @tomtomorrow: Limbaugh says National Hurricane Center HOPING Isaac hits Tampa.— emokidsloveme (@emokidsloveme) August 22, 2012
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:21:48am |
Pat Robertson says the drought is divine punishment for ignoring "God's law with impunity" bit.ly/SnZg5x— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) August 22, 2012
Locusts!
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:22:24am |
God only seems to talk to conservatives and Republicans. Why is that?
//
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:22:25am |
re: #415 Expand Your Ground
Germans refuse to believe that's what we say in America when someone sneezes.
My mom was hosting a guest from Germany who went to the public library, where she sneezed. A man said "Gesundheit". She said "Danke", went back to my mom's house and asked her, "Do I look German? How did he know?"
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:22:52am |
Dear GOP --
Please give him a prime time slot. I'm sure it will help Romney HQ in their goal to get 38% of the Latino vote:
Despite facing federal charges, 'America's Toughest Sheriff' to speak to GOP delegates at convention huff.to/SnVwAT— HP LatinoVoices (@LatinoVoices) August 22, 2012
Sincerely,
Me
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:23:14am |
re: #428 Gus
God only seems to talk to conservatives and Republicans. Why is that?
//
Do you really expect God to talk with liberal heathens?
//
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:23:41am |
re: #431 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do you really expect God to talk with liberal heathens?
//
Hmm. Good point.
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erik_t Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:23:44am |
re: #430 Lidane
No. Bullshit. No fucking way.
Not even this off-the-rails embarrassing monstrosity of a cargo cult is idiotic enough to have that man speak for them on the national stage.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:25:26am |
re: #433 erik_t
No. Bullshit. No fucking way.
Not even this off-the-rails embarrassing monstrosity of a cargo cult is idiotic enough to have that man speak for them on the national stage.
Sho 'nuff.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:26:00am |
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:27:17am |
re: #433 erik_t
No. Bullshit. No fucking way.
Not even this off-the-rails embarrassing monstrosity of a cargo cult is idiotic enough to have that man speak for them on the national stage.
Believe it:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio to speak at Republican National Convention
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is scheduled to speak to delegates from western states on Aug. 30 during the Republican National Convention, the Arizona Republican Party said in a press release.
"Sheriff Joe is a good friend and a great Republican, a former member of the Electoral College representing Arizona, and he's wildly popular not just in Maricopa County but throughout the state and the country," said Tom Morrissey, Chairman of the Arizona Republican Party in the release.
In a tongue-in-cheek move, Arpaio will speak near the elephant enclosure at the Lowry Park Zoo in Tampa, Fla. The elephant is the symbol of the Republican Party.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:27:31am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:28:56am |
re: #436 Lidane
Lowry Park Zoo kicks ass!!
[Link: www.lowryparkzoo.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:30:11am |
Criminal charges filed against German rabbi for performing circumcision
A German Rabbi has become the first person to face criminal charges after performing a circumcision. The charges come less than two months after a Cologne court ruled that the religious act causes bodily harm to newborn babies.
Rabbi David Goldberg was sued by a German doctor on Tuesday, for inflicting “physical harm” by circumcising an infant.
Chief prosecutor Gerhard Schmitt confirmed that the complaint was filed, although it has not yet been decided whether legal action will be carried out against the rabbi.
The new law bans religious circumcisions in Cologne, although medical circumcisions remain legal.
The June court ruling sparked outcry from Muslim and Jewish communities across the world.
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erik_t Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:31:02am |
re: #436 Lidane
Believe it:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio to speak at Republican National Convention
First the GOP took away cooperation. Then they took away compromise. Next came civility.
But, remember, this disgusting racist criminal isn't representative of the party! Just pick and choose which parts of your own platform represent you this week.
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:31:23am |
re: #436 Lidane
Believe it:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio to speak at Republican National Convention
Does Romney was 38 PERCENT of the Latino vote...or just 38 votes?
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:32:37am |
Niall Ferguson: "I really can't stand America's liberal bloggers." Or facts! #IntellectuallyLazyDipshit— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) August 22, 2012
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:34:54am |
re: #444 Gus
Here's the link he's referring to.
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:36:38am |
re: #442 erik_t
First the GOP took away cooperation. Then they took away compromise. Next came civility.
But, remember, this disgusting racist criminal isn't representative of the party! Just pick and choose which parts of your own platform represent you this week.
Can you imagine what these nutjobs would be like if Gingrich or Santourm won the primaries?
What kills me is that even with all of this unabashed radicalism on display in Tampa, nearly half of America will vote for Romney.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:37:38am |
re: #445 Cannadian Club Akbar
Here's the link he's referring to.
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
The vast left-wing conspiracy!
But there comes a point when you have to ask yourself: has the American public sphere so degenerated that it is now impossible to make the case for a change of president without being set upon in cyberspace by a suspiciously well-organized gang of the current incumbent’s most ideologically committed supporters?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:38:41am |
Akin still defiant, but leaves door open to quitting Senate race
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:38:43am |
Michael Moore and Oliver Stone defend Julian Assange despite rape charges
Filmmakers Michael Moore and Oliver Stone have defended Julian Assange, saying the Wikileaks boss is being persecuted by the US.
"Ecuador has acted in accordance with important principles of international human rights," the pair wrote of the Ecuadorian embassy's decision to grant Assange refuge in London, in a joint op-ed for the New York Times.
"Indeed, nothing could demonstrate the appropriateness of Ecuador’s action more than the British government’s threat to violate a sacrosanct principle of diplomatic relations and invade the embassy to arrest Mr. Assange."
In relation to the rape allegations against Assange, the directors wrote:
"Swedish authorities have traveled to other countries to conduct interrogations when needed, and the WikiLeaks founder has made clear his willingness to be questioned in London."The pair also highlighted Ecuador's willingness to let Assange travel to Sweden if it received a pledge that he would not then be then handed over to the US, where he could face the death penalty for his leaks of diplomatic cables in 2011.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:40:08am |
re: #449 Cannadian Club Akbar
Akin still defiant, but leaves door open to quitting Senate race
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
If he does quit who would run on the GOP ticket against Claire McCaskill?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:40:28am |
re: #447 Gus
It's a little know fact that the Vast Left-Wing conspiracies are the worst conspiracies in the conspiratorial world.
-Cliff Clavin
/
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:41:01am |
re: #447 Gus
The vast left-wing conspiracy!
But there comes a point when you have to ask yourself: has the American public sphere so degenerated that it is now impossible to make the case for a change of president without being set upon in cyberspace by a suspiciously well-organized gang of the current incumbent’s most ideologically committed supporters?
As opposed to models of restraint and decorum like Free Republic and Fox Nation.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:41:02am |
re: #451 NJDhockeyfan
If he does quit who would run on the GOP ticket against Claire McCaskill?
One of the 2 who lost in the primary against him.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:42:00am |
Pat Robertson Blames Drought on Americans who 'Ignore the Laws of God with Impunity'
Today on the 700 Club, Pat Robertson blamed this year’s severe drought on Americans who infringe on God’s law, although Robertson did not specify which laws were broken. “Somehow in this country we feel that we can ignore the laws of God with impunity, and the truth is we can’t, God always has the last say,” Robertson said, “we need to do some praying.” “The heavens have been shut up and it’s time for those folks in the Midwest to do some serious praying,” Robertson counseled. Earlier this year, Robertson maintained that tornadoes in the Midwest could have been stopped if only people had prayed them away.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:42:50am |
re: #454 Cannadian Club Akbar
One of the 2 who lost in the primary against him.
I thought the State GOP Committee could place anyone they wanted on the Ballot.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:45:09am |
re: #456 Digital Display
I thought the State GOP Committee could place anyone they wanted on the Ballot.
I think so but more than likely to choose a second place finish is the primary was close, I guess. (I don't know what the numbers were)
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erik_t Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:45:10am |
re: #455 Kragar
Pat Robertson Blames Drought on Americans who 'Ignore the Laws of God with Impunity'
Because Kansas/Oklahoma/Arkansas/Nebraska is a well known hotbed of evil liberal thought.
What a fucking imbecile.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:46:21am |
Barber: Polygamy and Incest are 'Inevitable' if Gay Marriage is Legalized
On today's "Faith and Freedom" program, Matt Barber declared that gay activists don't actually want marriage equality but rather are interested in "deconstructing the Judeo-Christian notion of marriage as marriage has always been."
In fact, Barber claimed, the institution of marriage has always been about restricting which sorts of relationships are legitimate, which is why "people can't marry children, people can't marry close relatives, people can't marry their favorite pet." Barber then warned that if "we're going to break the institution of marriage and radically redefine it" then "polygamy is inevitable if same-sex marriage becomes the law of the land and we can no longer have prohibitions on incestuous marriage":
Someone is projecting a tad.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:46:42am |
re: #428 Gus
God only seems to talk to conservatives and Republicans. Why is that?
//
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:48:04am |
Put your cursor at the bottom of this pic associated with this story. See where it was taken. We can't take the pic here? OUTSOURCING!!!
/
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:48:17am |
re: #455 Kragar
Pat Robertson Blames Drought on Americans who 'Ignore the Laws of God with Impunity'
So with this logic, God was rewarding Nazi-Germany during their good harvest seasons?
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makeitstop Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:48:26am |
re: #453 Mattand
As opposed to models of restraint and decorum like Free Republic and Fox Nation.
Or Dana Loesch.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:48:59am |
Paul Ryan Stands By His Abortion Record
Todd Akin’s controversial comments about rape and pregnancy put Paul Ryan, who’s been stridently anti-abortion throughout his political career, in a tough position. Now, Ryan is attempting to distance himself from Akin’s comments as national attention turns to his party’s views on social issues.
Ryan and Akin co-sponsored legislation in the House to narrow the rape and incest exceptions to a federal abortion ban. But Ryan quickly distanced himself from Akin’s comments this week. “His statements were outrageous, over the pale. I don’t know anybody who would agree with that. Rape is rape period, end of story,” Ryan told CBS affiliate KDKA in Pennsylvania Tuesday.
Ryan defended his record. “Well, look, I’m proud of my pro-life record. And I stand by my pro-life record in Congress,” Ryan said.
But he also tried to shield Mitt Romney from the most controversial elements of his own record in Congress.
“But Mitt Romney is the top of the ticket and Mitt Romney will be president, and he will set the policy of the Romney administration,” Ryan said.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:49:11am |
So this God resorts to drought instead of sending down his mind beams to obey the laws!
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:49:11am |
re: #462 Gus
So with this logic, God was rewarding Nazi-Germany during their good harvest seasons?
And crushing the Irish during the potato famine.
/
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:49:20am |
re: #462 Gus
So with this logic, God was rewarding Nazi-Germany during their good harvest seasons?
Obviously.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:49:56am |
re: #463 makeitstop
As opposed to models of restraint and decorum like Free Republic and Fox Nation.
Or Dana Loesch.
I have a feeling he's really rather clueless about all this stuff on the intertoobs.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:50:32am |
re: #449 Cannadian Club Akbar
Akin still defiant, but leaves door open to quitting Senate race
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Except that he can't quit now without a court order and without paying to have the ballots reprinted.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:51:44am |
re: #470 Lidane
Except that he can't quit now without a court order and without paying to have the ballots reprinted.
I wonder if the RNC can/will pay the bill?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:52:03am |
re: #450 NJDhockeyfan
Michael Moore and Oliver Stone defend Julian Assange despite rape charges
Julian Assange's lawyer (who also represented John Walker Lindh) has been doing a PR offensive lately over at Dkos. It's sad when outrage over rape depends on the political affiliation of the rapist but that's the way it works.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:52:03am |
French chief Rabbi sent concentration camp pictures
French anti-terrorist authorities have been alerted after the Chief Rabbi of Lyon was sent a threatening letter accompanied by images of Jewish children being marched to World War II concentration camps.
...In the letter, which was sent to Lyon's main synagogue on August 10, the author complained: "More and more frequently we are having ideas imposed on us that have as their goal to apologise for the Jew, the so-called Shoah (holocaust), the evil Palestinians.
"From now on we will punish a Jew ... each time that you go on television to complain."
Referring to the enclosed photographs, it added that they "prove that the Jews were well treated in Germany, fed and lodged with summer camp for the children."
Bastards.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:52:24am |
re: #455 Kragar
Pat Robertson Blames Drought on Americans who 'Ignore the Laws of God with Impunity' Earlier this year, Robertson maintained that tornadoes in the Midwest could have been stopped if only people had prayed them away.
I never thought that Dorothy from Kansas was such a godless slut...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:52:59am |
re: #474 Expand Your Ground
I never thought that Dorothy from Kansas was such a godless slut...
Only when she drinks.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:53:21am |
I think I'll go out for lunch today. Construction noise is insane. Sounds like I'm under attack from 100 giant mechanical bees.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:53:49am |
re: #455 Kragar
Pat Robertson Blames Drought on Americans who 'Ignore the Laws of God with Impunity'
And all this time I thought it was because of the way some people were treating the least of their brethren, you know like it says in that old book Pat carries around and thumps about but never seems to find the time to actually read what it says.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:54:12am |
re: #472 Killgore Trout
Julian Assange's lawyer (who also represented John Walker Lindh) has been doing a PR offensive lately over at Dkos. It's sad when outrage over rape depends on the political affiliation of the rapist but that's the way it works.
Don't worry. A lot of us on the left aren't putting up with this bullshit from the Assangists.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:54:32am |
re: #471 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wonder if the RNC can/will pay the bill?
I don't know if they can, but I know they would. Except there's also this small wrinkle:
In Akin tried to withdraw after today, he'd have to go to court. But FWIW, 4 of 6 judges on Mo. Supreme Court were appointed by Democrats.— Nate Silver (@fivethirtyeight) August 21, 2012
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:55:04am |
So, when is Mitt going to have Ryan drop out over his abortion record, or is his position perfectly okay as long as he used the right words?
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:55:13am |
re: #459 Kragar
Barber: Polygamy and Incest are 'Inevitable' if Gay Marriage is Legalized
Someone is projecting a tad.
Yes, something that has been happening since forever is immanent.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:56:07am |
re: #480 Lidane
I don't know if they can, but I know they would. Except there's also this small wrinkle:
[Embedded content]
I understand the tweet. But if the law is on the side for him to quit, it just is. If it's not, it's not.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:58:22am |
re: #483 Cannadian Club Akbar
I understand the tweet. But if the law is on the side for him to quit, it just is. If it's not, it's not.
Sure. But at this point, going into the RNC, is the GOP really willing to jump through whatever hoops they'd have to in order to get him into a courtroom and out of the race? As defiant as Akin has been I'm not so sure.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:59:14am |
re: #455 Kragar
Isn't God better known for floods?
Maybe, he/she (both?) was saving up all the rain for the GOP convention.
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allegro Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:00:16am |
re: #484 Lidane
Sure. But at this point, going into the RNC, is the GOP really willing to jump through whatever hoops they'd have to in order to get him into a courtroom and out of the race? As defiant as Akin has been I'm not so sure.
They probably aren't that anxious to have the discussion drawn out and kept in the public eye in such a way as well. It just solidifies that link between Akin, Ryan, Romney and their actual platform that much more.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:00:38am |
Egypt arrests man after nail bomb attack on German embassy
CAIRO - Police in Egypt on Wednesday arrested a man who tossed four homemade nail bombs into the German embassy grounds and attacked the entrance with a hammer but injured nobody and caused no serious damage, the embassy and security sources said.
The man acted out of anger after reading an Egyptian newspaper report on Friday which described a protest by German right-wing activists who had paraded caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad in front of a German mosque, they said.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:00:45am |
re: #484 Lidane
Sure. But at this point, going into the RNC, is the GOP really willing to jump through whatever hoops they'd have to in order to get him into a courtroom and out of the race? As defiant as Akin has been I'm not so sure.
But if he quits, I don't know why judges would be involved, honestly.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:02:06am |
re: #488 Cannadian Club Akbar
But if he quits, I don't know why judges would be involved, honestly.
Because the final filing deadlines have passed. The only way to get him off the ballot now is through the courts.
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palomino Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:02:34am |
re: #455 Kragar
Pat Robertson Blames Drought on Americans who 'Ignore the Laws of God with Impunity'
Fuck that guy. Isn't he the same old fossil who told us right after 9/11 (along with his sick co-religionist Falwell) that America was attacked because we tolerate lesbians, et al? Yes, if only we executed homosexuals then there would be no al-Qaeda. What a deep understanding of international affairs.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:03:06am |
re: #486 allegro
They probably aren't that anxious to have the discussion drawn out and kept in the public eye in such a way as well. It just solidifies that link between Akin, Ryan, Romney and their actual platform that much more.
It would also pole vault the next person into a rah rah type of enthusiasm from the right there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:04:00am |
re: #489 Lidane
Because the final filing deadlines have passed. The only way to get him off the ballot now is through the courts.
Couldn't he lie and say health reasons? Family business? Whatever?
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:04:45am |
re: #489 Lidane
Because the final filing deadlines have passed. The only way to get him off the ballot now is through the courts.
And I suppose judges would have to rule there is some overriding reason he cannot run, being an ignorant dickhead does not qualify...in fact, it seems to be a requirement for the GOP
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:04:50am |
Crap. I gotta run. Sorry I can't go on. This is a good conversation. DAMN IT!!
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:05:08am |
.@thedemocratrs & @sarahmclachlan should team up for a "Please help rescue humanity from conservatism" commercial. #AngelArms #p2— Shoq Value (@Shoq) August 22, 2012
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:08:08am |
re: #485 OhNoZombies!
I'm hoping that Isaac manages to stay away from Florida, let alone the RNC at Tampa. But the current tracks are all putting Southern Florida under the gun (and that would probably be followed by a Gulf Coast hit). The spaghetti models are pretty much in agreement for a path through Florida, with a bias towards the western side of Florida (Tampa) rather than hugging the Atlantic Coast.
Florida's got to hope that the storm's power gets reduced by crossing through Hispanola and Cuba. It would seriously suck for Hispanola: the Dominican Republic would get the brunt of the wind, but Haiti is as ill equipped to deal with any kind of natural disaster as ever. But by crossing the mountain ranges, it would disrupt the wind inflow and reduce the power as it churns towards the States.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:08:09am |
.@nro begs Romney to flaunt alpha-male wealth to make women voters horny. Note: Not @theonion! goo.gl/MRza3— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) August 22, 2012
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:09:09am |
re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar
Couldn't he lie and say health reasons? Family business? Whatever?
Sure, but after the public orgy of begging and pleading from the GOP to get him to quit and his defiance at every step, it would be hard to make a convincing case that he's got some major reason why he can't run.
Hell, they couldn't even get Mel Carnahan off the ballot and he died during the campaign. I don't think Akin has much of a way out at this point.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:10:50am |
re: #497 Gus
I wonder if they ever actually listened to "Like a Boss" before they wrote the headline.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:11:52am |
re: #498 Lidane
Why does he want to leave the race? He's got support of his constituents, the race is close, and he's got a good shot at winning.
The GOP needs a GOPer to win the seat, but they can't be seen as supporting Akin to make that happen.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:13:29am |
re: #499 Kragar
I wonder if they ever actually listened to "Like a Boss" before they wrote the headline.
It's the usual "scientifically" tinged bull crap:
You want off-the-charts status? Check out the curriculum vitae of one Willard M. Romney: $200 million in the bank (and a hell of a lot more if he didn’t give so much away), apex alpha executive, CEO, chairman of the board, governor, bishop, boss of everything he’s ever touched. Son of the same, father of more. It is a curious scientific fact (explained in evolutionary biology by the Trivers-Willard hypothesis — Willard, notice) that high-status animals tend to have more male offspring than female offspring, which holds true across many species, from red deer to mink to Homo sap. The offspring of rich families are statistically biased in favor of sons — the children of the general population are 51 percent male and 49 percent female, but the children of the Forbes billionaire list are 60 percent male. Have a gander at that Romney family picture: five sons, zero daughters. Romney has 18 grandchildren, and they exceed a 2:1 ratio of grandsons to granddaughters (13:5). When they go to church at their summer-vacation home, the Romney clan makes up a third of the congregation. He is basically a tribal chieftain.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:14:38am |
re: #500 lawhawk
Why does he want to leave the race? He's got support of his constituents, the race is close, and he's got a good shot at winning.
The GOP needs a GOPer to win the seat, but they can't be seen as supporting Akin to make that happen.
And even if the RNC pulls funding, there will be lots of other sources, plenty of people agree with him and support him.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:15:13am |
re: #500 lawhawk
Why does he want to leave the race? He's got support of his constituents, the race is close, and he's got a good shot at winning.
That too. He's got no reason to quit, so trying to do so at this point would be absurd.
If the entire GOP establishment begging him to quit couldn't make him do it, nothing else will.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:15:43am |
re: #501 Gus
I can see why they don't like science much. They're not very good at it.
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allegro Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:18:09am |
re: #501 Gus
It's the usual "scientifically" tinged bull crap:
So this means Obama is a limp-wristed wimp for fathering girl children? Somehow I think this is the unspoken point of this ridiculous missive.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:19:42am |
re: #501 Gus
It's the usual "scientifically" tinged bull crap:
And it is hideous science: that list includes only acknoledged, legitimate children...
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:20:19am |
Ryan Refuses To Say Abortions Should Be Available To Women Who Are Raped
In an interview with a local Pittsburgh television station yesterday, Ryan was given the opportunity to revise his position now that he is half of the Republican Party’s national ticket. He refused:
QUESTION: Should abortions to be available to women who are raped?RYAN: Well, look, I’m proud of my pro-life record. And I stand by my pro-life record in Congress. It’s something I’m proud of. But Mitt Romney is the top of the ticket and Mitt Romney will be president and he will set the policy of the Romney administration.
So the answer is no.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:20:44am |
re: #501 Gus
I wonder if those wingnuts know that under the claims of the Trivers-Willard hypothesis, it would have either been Ann Romney intentionally (even if subconsciously) aborting the female zygotes, or immediately after birth one or both parents would have actively disfavored the female offspring?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:20:49am |
UN chief to visit Iran, despite US, Israeli calls for boycott
Ban Ki-moon to attend meeting of 120 non-aligned nations in Iran, defies US, Israeli calls to ban event; 'Ban should not turn back on event because Iran's president doubts Holocaust, Israel's right to exist' says diplomat
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:21:27am |
re: #504 Kragar
I can see why they don't like science much. They're not very good at it.
Looks like he got Trivers-Willard wrong. It's not "high status" but "good condition."
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allegro Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:21:39am |
re: #506 Expand Your Ground
And it is hideous science: that list includes only acknoledged, legitimate children...
And this is supposed to make women swoon over his chest-pounding, virile manliness as it makes the point that women are lesser creatures and not as valuable as men? Really?
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makeitstop Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:21:54am |
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:22:19am |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
Dennis Prager gives an excellent smackdown of Todd Akin. The excerpt below picks up a in the middle in order to get to the key part:
Sorry dude, but I don't think this says what you think it does. It's maybe even worse than Akin, because Prager knows pregnancy can come from rape with some frequency, and still opposes choice.
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:22:43am |
re: #507 Kragar
Ryan Refuses To Say Abortions Should Be Available To Women Who Are Raped
So the answer is no.
A proud no. He's proud of his record, and that's part of it.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:23:23am |
In evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology, the Trivers–Willard hypothesis,[1] formally proposed by Robert Trivers and Dan Willard, predicts greater investment in males by parents in good conditions and greater investment in females by parents in poor conditions (relative to parents in good condition). The reasoning for this prediction is as follows: assume that parents have information on the sex of their offspring and can influence their survival differentially. While pressures exist to maintain sex ratios at 50%, evolution will favor local deviations from this if one sex has a likely greater reproductive pay-off than is usual.
Trivers and Willard also identified a circumstance in which reproducing individuals might experience deviations from expected offspring reproductive value: namely, varying maternal condition. In polygynous species males may mate with multiple females and low-condition males will achieve fewer or no matings. Parents in relatively good condition would then be under selection for mutations causing production and investment in sons (rather than daughters), because of the increased chance of mating experienced by these good-condition sons. Mating with multiple females conveys a large reproductive benefit, whereas daughters could translate their condition into only smaller benefits. An opposite prediction holds for poor-condition parents – selection will favor production and investment in daughters, so long as daughters are likely to be mated, while sons in poor condition are likely to be out-competed by other males and end up with zero mates (i.e. those sons will be a reproductive dead-end).
The hypothesis was used to explain why, for example, Red Deer mothers would produce more sons when they are in good condition, and more daughters when in poor condition. In polyandrous species where some females mate with multiple males (and others get no matings) and males mate with one/few females (i.e. "sex-role reversed" species), these predictions from the Trivers–Willard hypothesis are reversed: parents in good condition will invest in daughters in order to have a daughter that can out-compete other females to attract multiple males, whereas parents in poor condition will avoid investing in daughters who are likely to get out-competed and will instead invest in sons in order to gain at least some grandchildren.
"Condition" can be assessed in multiple ways, including body size, parasite loads, or dominance, which has also been shown in macaques (Macaca sylvanus) to affect the sex of offspring, with dominant females giving birth to more sons and non-dominant females giving birth to more daughters[2]. Consequently, high-ranking females give birth to a higher proportion of males than those who are low-ranking.
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Sionainn Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:23:47am |
re: #455 Kragar
Pat Robertson Blames Drought on Americans who 'Ignore the Laws of God with Impunity'
He's too funny. I live in "Sin City" and we don't have tornadoes, hurricanes, massive floods, ice storms or blizzards, major earthquakes (at least not yet), or forest fires. I don't think we are a bastion of religiosity like the Midwest and the South, but we don't seem to get any major disasters. Must mean that god likes us best.
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erik_t Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:25:29am |
re: #514 wrenchwench
A proud no. He's proud of his record, and that's part of it.
A 'proud no', but not proud enough to directly answer the policy question.
Anyone who votes for either of these people should be fucking ashamed of themselves.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:25:38am |
GOP relying on science to plan for weather impact on convention. Good start! Now,extend to climate.— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) August 22, 2012
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:25:39am |
re: #516 Sionainn
Those who claim to speak for god are liars, and or hopelessly deluded.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:26:00am |
re: #516 Sionainn
But you do live in the middle of a frellin' desert. /
Robertson's claims are laughable but for the fact that he has so many people who believe what he says. He's a charlatan.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:26:10am |
Paul Ryan: Proud of protecting the reproductive rights of Rapists and denying women and their chosen mates the same protection.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:26:12am |
re: #501 Gus
It's the usual "scientifically" tinged bull crap:
I have 3 kids, all of them boys. Do I get to be king now?
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:26:29am |
re: #517 erik_t
A 'proud no', but not proud enough to directly answer the policy question.
Anyone who votes for either of these people should be fucking ashamed of themselves.
He's now afflicted with a cork called Mitt.
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:27:07am |
re: #501 Gus
It's the usual "scientifically" tinged bull crap:
You want off-the-charts status? Check out the curriculum vitae of one Willard M. Romney: $200 million in the bank (and a hell of a lot more if he didn’t give so much away), apex alpha executive, CEO, chairman of the board, governor, bishop, boss of everything he’s ever touched. Son of the same, father of more. It is a curious scientific fact (explained in evolutionary biology by the Trivers-Willard hypothesis — Willard, notice) that high-status animals tend to have more male offspring than female offspring, which holds true across many species, from red deer to mink to Homo sap. The offspring of rich families are statistically biased in favor of sons — the children of the general population are 51 percent male and 49 percent female, but the children of the Forbes billionaire list are 60 percent male.
According to my husband (not a fighter pilot) the fighter guys have way, way more daughters than sons. He says the AF has done analyses, etc.
Of course Romney wouldn't know about the whole, ya know, military thing. Thank goodness he never served, so he could keep producing those Y-bearing sperm!
Thomas Aquinas is not science, no matter how hard these idiots wish it were so.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:27:30am |
re: #522 RayFerd
I have 3 kids, all of them boys. Do I get to be king now?
No but Sainthood should be an option.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:28:36am |
re: #524 funky chicken
Of course Romney wouldn't know about the whole, ya know, military thing. Thank goodness he never served, so he could keep producing those Y-bearing sperm!
I get so bored with racism all the time, @nro. Thanks for the dose of medieval sexism.It's good to feel alive again!— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) August 22, 2012
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:29:31am |
re: #496 lawhawk
I hope you didn't take me seriously!
I don't really want Fla. to get pummeled by a hurricane.
That was just a jab at Pat Robertson.
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dragonath Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:30:26am |
re: #515 Gus
That NRO article is rich:
From an evolutionary point of view, Mitt Romney should get 100 percent of the female vote. All of it. He should get Michelle Obama’s vote. You can insert your own Mormon polygamy joke here, but the ladies do tend to flock to successful executives and entrepreneurs. Saleh al-Rajhi, billionaire banker, left behind 61 children when he cashed out last year.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:31:34am |
Judge Tom Head, a county judge in Lubbock, Texas, announced on a local television station that he would personally join the resistance against a United Nations’ takeover of American sovereignty, which he says will occur if Obama is reelected:
[Obama] is going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the UN. Okay, what’s going to happen when that happens? I’m thinking worst case scenario here. Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war maybe. We’re not just talking a few riots here and demonstrations. We’re talking Lexington-Concord take up arms and get rid of the guy.Now what’s going to happen if we do that, if the public decides to do that? He’s going to send in U.N. troops — with the little blue beanies. I don’t want ‘em in Lubbock County. Okay. So I’m going to stand in front of their armored personnel carrier and say ‘you’re not coming in here’. “And the sheriff, I’ve already asked him, I said ‘you gonna back me’ he said, ‘yeah, I’ll back you.’”
These guys live in their own little Blue Dawn fantasy world, don't they?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:32:08am |
This little girl has Down's syndrome...
Pakistan: Authorities must urgently reform blasphemy laws in wake of Ramsha case
The Pakistan government must urgently reform its blasphemy laws and ensure the safety of Ramsha Masih, a Christian girl arrested by police for allegedly committing an act of blasphemy, Amnesty International said today.
On Wednesday 17 August, Ramsha Masih and her mother were arrested by police in Islamabad, Pakistan’s capital. The police reacted under pressure from people who were demonstrating after a local preacher accused Ramsha of burning pages of the Quran. This is an offence that may be punishable with death under Pakistan’s blasphemy laws.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:32:42am |
National Review Online Contributor Accuses Ronald Reagan of 'Welcoming Wetbacks' j.mp/Soglwd #ABLC #p2 #TFY— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) August 22, 2012
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:33:43am |
re: #530 NJDhockeyfan
This little girl has Down's syndrome...
Pakistan: Authorities must urgently reform blasphemy laws in wake of Ramsha case
Once again, proof that the sooner humanity dumps religion, the better off we'll be as a species.
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dragonath Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:34:28am |
I think the NRO would love to publish some of Doctor Strangelove's fantasies.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:34:55am |
GOP Abortion Plank Outside ‘Mainstream,’ But Romney Shouldn’t Fight It
Michael Steele, former chairman of the RNC, said an anti-abortion ban without any exceptions is "way outside the mainstream of American thought," in an interview with "NewsTalk," with a local news program in Washington, D.C. Wednesday, reports Politico.
Rep. Todd Akin, who started a firestorm Sunday with his comments about "legitimate rape," opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest, a position reflected in the Republican Party platform voted on this week in Tampa.
“There’s a wide array of views on the issue, and there are a lot. I think recent polls have showed a bare majority of Americans — 50, 51 percent of Americans — call themselves pro-life, but even in calling themselves pro-life, they recognize the exemptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. So this view held by [Rep. Todd Akin] is way outside that mainstream of American thought.”
Regardless, Steele said in a follow-up interview with Politico that there's no need for Mitt Romney to push for an exception in the party platform. “You don’t want to create unnecessary noise and fights when the focus needs to be on the economy,” he said.
If anyone knows about shutting up and doing what you're told, it would be Steele.
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:35:25am |
re: #526 Interesting Times
i think you meant to pull the line about aquinas....
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:37:03am |
re: #534 Kragar
GOP Abortion Plank Outside ‘Mainstream,’ But Romney Shouldn’t Fight It
If anyone knows about shutting up and doing what you're told, it would be Steele.
Republicans are desperately trying to genetically engineer a Silent Pander.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:37:15am |
re: #532 Mattand
Once again, proof that the sooner humanity dumps religion, the better off we'll be a species.
People will be better off when they finally learn how to practice their religions and not just the parts of them that they get a perverse kick from...
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:37:17am |
re: #532 Mattand
Once again, proof that the sooner humanity dumps religion, the better off we'll be as a species.
That will never happen.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:39:05am |
re: #535 funky chicken
i think you meant to pull the line about aquinas....
I figured "Y-bearing sperm" was a good-enough lead-in :) (since that was one reason given by NRO for "all the wimminz should love Romney" garbage)
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Sionainn Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:39:10am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:39:31am |
re: #529 Kragar
These guys live in their own little Blue Dawn fantasy world, don't they?
Hmmm.
Lubbock-Ft Hood 331 mi.
Top speed of M1 on highway-61 mph
Apache Longbow airspeed-165 mph.
Let's go with the Longbows.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:39:37am |
Akin, Spiritual Warfare, and the Radicalization of the Anti-Choice Movement
Post by Sarah Posner
Jamie Dean at WORLD reports this morning that GOP Senate candidate Todd Akin once spoke at an event sponsored by the anti-choice group Defenders of the Unborn, celebrating the closing of an abortion clinic.
Dean also notes the 2011 announcement of the event stated that Akin was Ruling Elder at Twin Oaks Presbyterian Church, a church in the denomination Presbyterian Church in America, whose views on abortion I explored in a post on Monday. According to the Twin Oaks website, Akin is no longer an elder, but is apparently still a member; the church pastor, the Rev. Robert Stuart, is listed as an endorser on Akin’s campaign website.
Twin Oaks, like many conservative evangelical churches, has a “Life Team Ministry,” whose “mission is to support TOPC in spreading the testimony of God’s grace in the St. Louis area and to sufficiently equip its membership so that TOPC may participate in various strategies which will end abortion.” These strategies—again, a common refrain in church-sponsored anti-choice activism—are centered on spiritual warfare. TOPC says it is guided by 2 Corinthians 10:4-5 (”We are guided by the Bible text from 2 Corinthians 10:4-5, ”The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.”)
Continues.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:40:26am |
It's as if the RW blogosphere is in some sort of contest with the RW politicians to determine who can out-stupid each other. #NRO— Path2Enlightenment (@Path2Enlighten) August 22, 2012
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allegro Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:42:16am |
Clearly forced birtherism is a religious thing but where in the bible is there a prohibition on abortion? Is there such a passage?
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:42:44am |
re: #538 NJDhockeyfan
That will never happen.
Unfortunately, that's probably true. I guess realistically belief in supernatural gods will slowly die off. It took a few millennia for people to realize Thor and Zeus don't exist. It'll probably take just as long for the rest of it.
In the mean time, we get to see mentally disabled kids tried for blasphemy and women forced to act as breeding farms for their rapists.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:44:34am |
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:44:46am |
re: #545 allegro
Clearly forced birtherism is a religious thing but where in the bible is there a prohibition on abortion? Is there such a passage?
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:46:54am |
Exile to Elba. RT @daveweigel: Impeach him now. RT @freebeacon: Obama uses presidential seal at designated campaign event.— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) August 22, 2012
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jaunte Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:47:07am |
re: #501 Gus
When they go to church at their summer-vacation home, the Romney clan makes up a third of the congregation. He is basically a tribal chieftain.
It's the caveman party.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:50:21am |
re: #548 Mattand
Why did that site ignore all these references? Agenda maybe?
[Link: www.religioustolerance.org...]
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:51:10am |
re: #537 Expand Your Ground
People will be better off when they finally learn how to practice their religions and not just the parts of it that they get a perverse kick from...
I'm not impressed by the current track record, and not convinced it will improve.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:51:17am |
Tampa Mayor: City ‘Prepared’ To Call Off Convention In Event Of Dangerous Weather
Tampa Mayor Bob Buckhorn told CNN the city is prepared for severe weather if it hits during the Republican National Convention next week. Tropical Storm Isaac is forecast to head toward the Florida by early Monday.
God, just give us a sign...
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:52:15am |
re: #553 Mattand
I'm not impressed by the current track record, and not convinced it will improve.
The ones who are really doing it right are not calling attention to themselves. Took me a long time to discover that...
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:52:19am |
re: #554 Kragar
I keep asking to borrow a lightning bolt but I just don't have the clout.
//
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:53:30am |
re: #554 Kragar
Tampa Mayor: City ‘Prepared’ To Call Off Convention In Event Of Dangerous Weather
God, just give us a sign...
the sign, according to the Pat Robertson types, is either
A) do not nominate a Mormon to be the candidate of Gods Own Party.
B) The party is too inclusive since they let the log cabin republicans in.
C) All of the above.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:53:47am |
re: #545 allegro
Clearly forced birtherism is a religious thing but where in the bible is there a prohibition on abortion? Is there such a passage?
I don't know. I do know there area few passages about killing them (yours and other peoples) for infractions after they are born.
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:54:44am |
re: #552 Daniel Ballard
Why did that site ignore all these references? Agenda maybe?
[Link: www.religioustolerance.org...]
Maybe they ignored it because there's no mention of banning abortion in those Bible passages, which is what the initial question was about.
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JeffM70 Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:54:56am |
The one thing that keeps Republicans from complete implosion is most people who don't follow politics that closely simply don't believe the insanity within the GOP is as widespread as it is. They think Akin is the exception and not the rule.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:56:08am |
re: #548 Mattand
Interesting:
Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.
Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:56:13am |
GOP Approves ‘Most Conservative Platform In Modern History’
NO ABORTION IN CASES OF RAPE OR INCEST. The proposal for a “human life amendment” passed without a hitch — and without any exceptions for rape or incest. The committee didn’t stop there; they also adopted language that would ban drugs that end pregnancy after conception, which could potentially include Plan B, the “morning after pill.”
SALUTE TO MANDATORY ULTRASOUNDS. The GOP officially praises states’ “informed consent” laws that force women to undergo unnecessary procedures, require waiting periods and endure other measures meant to discourage them from getting an abortion. One such law receiving a “salute” was crafted by committee head McDonnell, who passed a notorious mandatory ultrasound requirement after he signed an unsuccessful bill to require an even more invasive transvaginal probe ultrasound during an abortion consultation.
NO LEGAL RECOGNITION OF SAME-SEX COUPLES. The committee embraced extreme anti-gay language, even rejecting a proposal to endorse civil unions for gay couples after vehement objections from Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Romney adviser Jim Bopp, who called it a “counterfeit marriage.” The rejection of civil unions, along with the refusal to include a line affirming the legal equality of same-sex couples prompted the organization GOProud to declare, “Those who have engaged in this public platform fight have provided distraction from important issues and damaged Mitt Romney’s campaign.”
REPLICATE ARIZONA-STYLE IMMIGRATION LAWS. Kris Kobach, who wrote the now mostly invalidated immigration laws in Arizona and Alabama, pushed for language calling for a border fence, a national E-Verify system to make it harder for undocumented workers to find employment, the end of in-state tuition for illegal immigrants and an end to sanctuary cities. The committee overwhelmingly approved the proposals, as well as a line chastising the Department of Justice to halt the lawsuits against draconian immigration laws in Arizona, Alabama, South Carolina and Utah: “State efforts to reduce illegal immigration must be encouraged, not attacked.”
AUDIT THE FED. The pet project of Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) to audit the Federal Reserve has now been embraced as an official Republican goal. For the first time, the platform calls for an annual audit of the Federal Reserve.
NO WOMEN IN COMBAT. The platform condemns “social experimentation” in the military, which covers everything from the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” to allowing officers to wear their uniforms in gay pride events to letting women serve on the front lines.
NO STATEHOOD, MORE GUNS FOR WASHINGTON DC. FRC’s Perkins, who recently blamed President Obama and the Southern Poverty Law Center for the shooting at FRC’s Washington headquarters, requested and received a section specifically urging the DC Council to expand gun rights. The same section also opposes DC statehood, which would allow the District to govern itself and put an end to Congressional attempts to impose abortion bans on DC.
NO NEW TAXES, EXCEPT FOR WAR. The platform calls for a Constitutional amendment requiring a super-majority to approve any tax increase, “with exceptions for only war and national emergencies.” It would also deliberately hobble future Congresses through a cap limiting all government spending to historical average percentage of GDP — “so that future Congresses cannot balance the budget by raising taxes.”
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:56:23am |
re: #562 Gus
Well how about that:
Useless fact that @kevinnr spurs me to remember: America hasn't elected a president with a son since 1988.— daveweigel (@daveweigel) August 22, 2012
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:57:08am |
re: #555 Expand Your Ground
The ones who are really doing it right are not calling attention to themselves. Took me a long time to discover that...
Well, I'd feel better if the one's doing it right grew a spine and tried to reign in the nutjobs a bit.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:58:01am |
New rules!
Sexual realism is a pathetically transparent attempt by sexists to rebrand sexist and misogynistic ideologies
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jaunte Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:58:03am |
re: #563 RayFerd
Interesting:
Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.
Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16
That must be one of the optional passages.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:59:12am |
re: #546 Mattand
I don't think religion is going anywhere, but I think the current religious dogma will disappear.
It seems that we're hard-wired toward supernatural belief, even if it shows itself as belief in a more secular, universal, unconscious connection between everything in the universe.
2 cents.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:00:45am |
re: #566 Gus
And now thanks to that daveweigel tweet, I remember a useless fact: In an interview with 60 minutes (don't recall when), Boris Yeltsin claimed he and his wife were so poor starting out that they had to "make love on the floor" and that's how they "wound up with girls."
Maybe there's a Texas textbook that explains why.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:01:09am |
re: #563 RayFerd
Interesting:
Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.
Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16
I think Levi (the priestly tribe) was the only one whose census included infants. Other tribes counted only men 20 years and older. Not able to verify that right now.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:01:37am |
re: #563 RayFerd
In some cultures they never named their children until after the first couple of years. If the child survived the first couple of years it was given a name.
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:01:57am |
re: #570 OhNoZombies!
I don't think religion is going anywhere, but I think the current religious dogma will disappear.
It seems that we're hard-wired toward supernatural belief, even if it shows itself as a more secular, universal, unconscious connection between everything in the universe.
2 cents.
Yeah, I think there's something to that.
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allegro Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:03:36am |
re: #567 Mattand
Well, I'd feel better if the one's doing it right grew a spine and tried to reign in the nutjobs a bit.
A lovely woman of my acquaintance was devoted to her church and congregation for some years. She often tried to get me to go with her, meet the people, and "feel the love." Then she lost her job. Had to file for bankruptcy. Could no longer afford to tithe as she had previously. She was unceremoniously invited to leave the church and find another spiritual home more appropriate to her new status. She was devastated.
Doing it right?
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erik_t Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:03:44am |
re: #564 Kragar
I fucking dare some member of the GOP tell a female veteran to her face that her service to her country was part of a failed 'social experiment'.
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:03:48am |
Pilot and astronaut offspring: possible G-force effects on human sex ratio.
Abstract
Ratio of male to female offspring in tactical pilots and astronauts who experienced G forces was compared to that of pilots and non-rated officers who were not exposed to such conditions. In the analysis presented here we found 62 pilots and astronauts exposed to higher G forces had a significantly lower ratio of males to females in their offspring (.40) than did 220 pilots and non-pilots who were not exposed to high G forces. Other studies have also reported a decreased sex ratio in offspring of men exposed to high G forces. Reduction in number of males produced by fathers routinely exposed to comparatively high-G stresses may be related to G-force effects on sperm. This study suggests high-G exposure may affect the reproduction process.
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:04:47am |
re: #564 Kragar
Ugh. The first three are driven by religion, 4 and 6 by bigotry, and the rest by paranoia.
Here ya go, conservatives. Your Morning in America has finally arrived.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:05:53am |
re: #564 Kragar
SALUTE TO MANDATORY ULTRASOUNDS
Image: WeBuiltThis.jpg
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Gus Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:06:08am |
Sex ratio in offspring of pilots: a contribution to stress research.
Abstract
An old rumor - lately substantiated by statistical examinations from England - to the effect that pilots of high-performance military aircraft are "girl-fathers", could be reduced to absurdity through a comprehensive questionnaire investigation in the German Federal Armed Forces. Spermiogenesis does not seem to be disturbed by professional-specific influences (Radar radiation, G-forces etc.), as implied by the questionnaire findings. In times of high flying and personal stress (first 1000 flying hours) military jet pilots are even "boy-fathers". As soon as flying becomes a routine matter (after the 1000th flying hour) and thus less stressful, jet and helicopter pilots even become "girl-fathers". The pilots of military transport aircraft show no deviation from the control group of the male population of the Federal Republic of Germany with respect to the sex ratio of children procreated by them. The intention of this somewhat curious study was established by considerations that pilots would be entitled to protection and/or compensation for damages incurred in cases where their procreative capacity had been detrimentally affected by activities in the line of duty.
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:06:46am |
re: #575 allegro
A lovely woman of my acquaintance was devoted to her church and congregation for some years. She often tried to get me to go with her, meet the people, and "feel the love." Then she lost her job. Had to file for bankruptcy. Could no longer afford to tithe as she had previously. She was unceremoniously invited to leave the church and find another spiritual home more appropriate to her new status. She was devastated.
Doing it right?
Wow. What denomination was that? Our Congregation of the Heartless Bastards?
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:07:15am |
I think women need to start referring to their reproductive systems as "job creators" if they want Republicans to stop regulating them— Craig Ewer (@craigewer) August 22, 2012
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:07:40am |
re: #564 Kragar
I'm confused by this part:
NO NEW TAXES, EXCEPT FOR WAR. The platform calls for a Constitutional amendment requiring a super-majority to approve any tax increase, “with exceptions for only war and national emergencies.” It would also deliberately hobble future Congresses through a cap limiting all government spending to historical average percentage of GDP — “so that future Congresses cannot balance the budget by raising taxes.”
So, raising taxes now - to retroactively pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus all the costs associated with homeland defense, would be allowed?
Or, that would only apply going forward.
Oh, and national emergency could further apply to debt ceilings and the need to reduce the national debt since that can result in economic hardships for the long term.
But I doubt the GOP wants that provision read that way.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:08:41am |
Heh.
If you sign the guest book at my mother-in-law's church, you'll be sent a tithe booklet in the mail.
It looks like the payment booklets you get from a bank.
Priorities!
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jaunte Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:08:59am |
Poll: Obama shows massive lead among Hispanic voters
President Obama’s massive lead among Hispanic voters is holding steady, according to an NBC News-Wall Street Journal-Telemundo poll released Wednesday.
Obama leads Mitt Romney 63 percent to 28, the same margin from the same poll last month, which he led 67-32.
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erik_t Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:09:21am |
re: #564 Kragar
And a reminder. Unlike the vitriolic snake-pit that is the Democratic Party, and I mean that in the nicest way, the 'big tent' of the GOP is a monolithic one. Almost without exception, if you vote GOP then you are voting in favor of these policies.
If you are a disgruntled Republican and you want to reform your party, great. I honestly hope you succeed. Talk with people, go to your local meetings or whatever the hell parties have, run for small (or big) office with a sane agenda, and refudiate the shit out of this bad craziness. But if you vote for a current member of the GOP who hasn't explicitly rejected these platform planks (and who hasn't yet walked it back as a 'misunderstanding' after drawing the wrath of the Dread Lord Limbaugh), you are voting for these policies.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:09:27am |
re: #559 Mattand
Really? this is the title...
Abortion as mentioned in the Bible
Passages in the Christian Scriptures
(a.k.a. New Testament) and creeds
You may disagree with them, as do I but the complete omission of new testament references was quite the glaring omission/error.
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allegro Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:10:33am |
re: #581 Mattand
Wow. What denomination was that? Our Congregation of the Heartless Bastards?
I don't recall though your moniker would be most apt.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:10:37am |
re: #586 erik_t
Supporting the GOP at any level means you're supporting the GOP at every level.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:10:52am |
Rupert Murdoch knows who drives his ratings:
News Corp Has Given More Money To Obama Than Romney
Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. has contributed more money to the Obama campaign than Mitt Romney, The New York Times reports. The media conglomerate that owns Fox News and the Wall Street Journal has given Obama's campaign $58,825. It has given Mitt Romney's campaign $2,750.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:11:21am |
re: #564 Kragar
I'd call it the most conservative platform since the 1400's. "Modern" my ass. It's a theocratic throwback of centuries. .
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Mattand Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:15:47am |
re: #587 Daniel Ballard
Really? this is the title...
Abortion as mentioned in the Bible
Passages in the Christian Scriptures
(a.k.a. New Testament) and creedsYou may disagree with them, as do I but the complete omission of new testament references was quite the glaring omission/error.
The question was is there anything in the Bible that prohibits abortion. The passages you linked to make no mention of abortion. The site I linked to is the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, not the Skeptic's Annotated Early Christian Writings.
The Bible, in it's myriad forms, is the go-to manual for the anti-abortion crowd. There is nothing in the Bible that states abortion is wrong or murder.
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:15:53am |
re: #577 Gus
Pilot and astronaut offspring: possible G-force effects on human sex ratio.
G-force effects on sperm.
Girl-force?
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:16:20am |
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Lidane Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:18:56am |
re: #589 Kragar
Supporting the GOP at any level means you're supporting the GOP at every level.
Exactly.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:34:51am |
re: #573 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
In some cultures they never named their children until after the first couple of years. If the child survived the first couple of years it was given a name.
That I had heard of before. Probably the same logic of not counting the child until over a month old.
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:48:43pm |
re: #577 Gus
Pilot and astronaut offspring: possible G-force effects on human sex ratio.
Yeah, all those fighter pilots and astronauts aren't real men like Mitt Romney. Did you send that article to nro?
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