Mormon-owned Mexican cafe getting death threats after refusing generous offer to be used as photo-op for Romney visit.

[Link: www.rawstory.com...]

The Mormon owners of a Mexican cafe in Denver say that they have gotten death threats, hate calls and fake orders after refusing to allow Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney to make campaign stop at their restaurant.

“One person who called said, ‘Watch your back. We know where live and we’re going after you,’” Oscar Aguirre, the son of the owners of Rosa Linda Mexican Cafe, told KMGH New Media Producer Wayne Harrison. “We just didn’t want our business used as a campaign stop.”

I saw that.

This is like the third company to mix food and politics.

No, just no. Leave the burrito grande out of it.

re: #2 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I saw that.

This is like the third company to mix food and politics.

No, just no. Leave the burrito grande out of it.

What I mean by this is that the food and politics were mixed up for them. Apparently, they just wanted to stay out of politics.

Not sure what Huggy Bear and the Cookie Dude were up to.

Restaurants are, and should be, public accommodations.

If the owners don't want the headache of the security and the traffic snarl, then they should be able to opt out.

re: #2 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I saw that.

This is like the third company to mix food and politics.

No, just no. Leave the burrito grande out of it.

The company didn't mix food and politics...they're just getting harassed for refusing to mix politics into their food.

Who wouldn't want to have their ethnicity be cynically exploited for political gain by someone simply on the basis of a shared religion?

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

Who wouldn't want to have their ethnicity be cynically exploited for political gain by someone simply on the basis of a shared religion?

I suspect the Romney campaign wanted to get a fun photo op like Obama had in the Florida pizza place with the guy so happy to see him he picked him up and gave him a bear hug. Romney wanted to be seen as a regular guy who was liked that much by a Mexican.

'Cept nobody actually likes Romney.

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

Who wouldn't want to have their ethnicity be cynically exploited for political gain by someone simply on the basis of a shared religion?

Doesn't always work that way. Joseph Lieberman never came to my Bacon-Cheddar-n-Lobster Bagel shop...not that it exists, but that's beside the point.

re: #9 darthstar

Doesn't always work that way. Joseph Lieberman never came to my Bacon-Cheddar-n-Lobster Bagel shop...not that it exists, but that's beside the point.

Wait...I just realized the problem. I needed to use a Eucharist as a garnish. Silly me!

re: #8 allegro

'Cept nobody actually likes Romney.

Yep, even his staunchest supporters admit that he stands for nothing but his own ambition and praise him for lying his ass off.

So sad and pathetic they are, motivated by nothing but a mixture of gang mentality and hate.

Slow news day.

However, Professor John Hawks did pull out a doozy of an abstract from 1940:

Quote: Paleolithic religion as sex mysticism

The burials and the art of the Aurignacian period show that men then worshipped a mother goddess, and this worship can be traced back to Mousterian times, when Neanderthal man flourished. The same art shows that women reverenced the erect phallus. These are the only objects that they seem to have considered divine. There is reason to believe that the part of a father in procreation was not yet known. The worship was not a fertility-cult in the later sense. No privacy existed; men and women knew the details of each others' physical forms. Men saw women miraculously produce children. Like the male animals, they had from instinct coitus with her. Orgasm give them the divinest thrills they knew. It was to them like the later bacchic ecstasy of intoxication. Women became their goddesses. Probably they did not generalize more than the dog, but each was devoted to his mistress. Women obtained a similar mystic ecstasy from the experience. She did not deify man, but the erect phallus. The heart of religion is a mystic thrill, uplift or satisfaction. Creeds, rituals, and conduct are all subordinate to this. Palæolithic religion was, then, sex-mysticism. The psychologic unity of the race made it universal as its survivals in the historic period prove. This is the real origin of religion. It was not begotten by fear (Lucretius), nor by animism (Tylor), nor by ancestor worship (Herbert Spencer), nor by the mysterium tremendum (Otto), but by the mysterium feminium -a mysterium tremendum indeed, but scarcely that which Otto contemplated. In adult life we forget the umbilical cord and the nursing; similarly religion has now almost everywhere left far behind its biological beginnings.

re: #8 allegro

I suspect the Romney campaign wanted to get a fun photo op like Obama had in the Florida pizza place with the guy so happy to see him he picked him up and gave him a bear hug. Romney wanted to be seen as a regular guy who was liked that much by a Mexican.

'Cept nobody actually likes Romney.

It would have been better if he'd agreed, and then put a big sign up that read, "We reserve the right to ask any customer to self-deport from this establishment for any reason."

re: #9 darthstar

Doesn't always work that way. Joseph Lieberman never came to my Bacon-Cheddar-n-Lobster Bagel shop...not that it exists, but that's beside the point.

There's this place in Brooklyn.

My "Frank says":

A world of sexual incompetents, encountering each other, under disco circumstances... why can't you do songs about that?

If they are sexual incompetents then does that mean they are also religious incompetents?

Speak loudly and carry a little stick?

Romney: US should be more assertive on world stage

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Yep, even his staunchest supporters admit that he stands for nothing but his own ambition and praise him for lying his ass off.

So sad and pathetic they are, motivated by nothing but a mixture of gang mentality and hate.

What I was thinking of actually is the way his family tries to dig so deep to tell a fun story about "dad" to humanize him and make him likable. All they can come up with is his pushing his kids' faces into their ice cream and leading a blind woman into a door... so fucking hilarious. He tried to do it himself with the "funny" story about Seamus, terrified on the car roof.

The guy is an asshole with an ugly, mean sense of humor (if one can call it that). He laughs at others' pain and discomfort. This is not a likable man.

As long as Venezuela is in the news, lets talk about Gustavo Dudamel:

re: #17 allegro

What I was thinking of actually is the way his family tries to dig so deep to tell a fun story about "dad" to humanize him and make him likable. All they can come up with is his pushing his kids' faces into their ice cream and leading a blind woman into a door... so fucking hilarious. He tried to do it himself with the "funny" story about Seamus, terrified on the car roof.

The guy is an asshole with an ugly, mean sense of humor (if one can call it that). He laughs at others' pain and discomfort. This is not a likable man.

According to his wife he's so cheap he turns off the water heater and tries to convince everyone that cold showers are just fine. She thought that would be a funny little story to tell Jay Leno, but it made him sound like a cross between Scrooge McDuck and Montgomery Burns.

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

There's this place in Brooklyn.

Mmm...making a note of it for my next NYC visit. Been to Momofuku Saam bar a couple of times... ([Link: momofuku.com...] ) good shit. But anyone who specializes in pig and shellfish is alright in my book.

re: #13 darthstar

It would have been better if he'd agreed, and then put a big sign up that read, "We reserve the right to ask any customer to self-deport from this establishment for any reason."

That would've gotten them fire bombed.

re: #19 moderatelyradicalliberal

According to his wife he's so cheap he turns off the water heater and tries to convince everyone that cold showers are just fine. She thought that would be a funny little story to tell Jay Leno, but it made him sound like a cross between Scrooge McDuck and Montgomery Burns.

Sheesh. But his car gets an elevator.

To Kill A Talking Bird? #Mitterature

— Big Bird (@BlGBlRD) October 8, 2012

re: #23 Mocking Jay

Coming to terms with our Randian future:

A Post-PBS Educational Television Landscape

re: #22 allegro

Sheesh. But his car gets an elevator.

He'd make a person in a wheelchair take the stairs.

re: #24 freetoken

Coming to terms with our Randian future:

A Post-PBS Educational Television Landscape

Funny thing is I doubt they would even do it. They know who it would affect (lots of their voters), yet they get to use it as a tool.

Exchange I just had with a fb 'friend' who tagged me in a photo of Obama. I'm first, she's second with the video link, and I'm third. Fucking stupid teabagger troll. I'll unfriend her in the next day or so, even though we've got a shitload of common friends...but this shit just send me over. I named the pic 'bigotcrap'...for good reason.

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An era fading away:

Manhattan Project scientist Robert F. Christy dies at 96

According to Wikipedia:

At the time of his death Christy was one of the last people alive to have worked first hand on the Manhattan Project.

From that same wire story mash up:

Last surviving Navy doctor on Omaha Beach dies at 95

The last surviving Navy doctor who landed on Omaha Beach in Normandy during the D-Day invasion of World War II has died.

Dr. Joseph Lee Parker Jr. of Greensboro, Ga., died Sept. 27 in Greensboro. He was 95.

Kenneth Davey, who has done extensive research of military records associated with the Allied invasion, said the Waycross, Ga., native was the last surviving Navy physician who served on Omaha Beach.

[...]

re: #27 darthstar

Exchange I just had with a fb 'friend' who tagged me in a photo of Obama. I'm first, she's second with the video link, and I'm third. Fucking stupid teabagger troll. I'll unfriend her in the next day or so, even though we've got a shitload of common friends...but this shit just send me over. I named the pic 'bigotcrap'...for good reason.

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I like the reply: "Oh, for fuck's sake, Donna. It's his goddamn name!" Full Disclosure: I got worked up about that song the first time I heard it myself. But I was wrong then, and 'Donna' is wrong now.

re: #16 freetoken

Speak loudly and carry a little stick?

Romney: US should be more assertive on world stage

Hard to be more assertive than sending a Seal Team to perform an assassination on the territory of a putative ally who hasn't agreed to it.

Except for large scale invasions and/or nuclear strikes. Either of those sounds like an excellent idea.

re: #31 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Except for large scale invasions and/or nuclear strikes. Either of those sounds like an excellent idea.

Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...

re: #29 freetoken

To their immortal memory:

re: #31 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Hard to be more assertive than sending a Seal Team to perform an assassination on the territory of a putative ally who hasn't agreed to it.

Except for large scale invasions and/or nuclear strikes. Either of those sounds like an excellent idea.

It is vitally important to let the enemy know you're going to conduct covert operations against them before you do it.

/

re: #34 Kragar

It is vitally important to let the enemy know you're going to conduct covert operations against them before you do it.

/

Assertive does not have to mean "violent."

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Assertive does not have to mean "violent."

You should tell your party about this. The higher ups don't seem to realize this.

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

I like the reply: "Oh, for fuck's sake, Donna. It's his goddamn name!" Full Disclosure: I got worked up about that song the first time I heard it myself. But I was wrong then, and 'Donna' is wrong now.

I just unfriended the fucking bigot...she tried to play it off as 'just a joke'...Fuck her. She's been ranting teabagger shit on facebook for months and we've all just been tolerating her. Someone has to be the first to draw the line. It was me.

What I posted:

I'm a pretty tolerant fellow. I don't get offended easily. I post naked pics of my dogs on a regular basis. I even enjoy a little self-deprecating humor(with a belly like mine, it's kind of a pre-requisite for breathing). So it probably doesn't come as a surprise to most people that I can even laugh at the person I really want to see be reelected president. Humor is healthy. And taking oneself too seriously isn't good. We need to relax and keep things in perspective.

But I draw the line at racism. Post that kind of shit (or 'humorously' link videos/sites full of racist rants) and I'm done with you. End of discussion. Yeah, we may have friends in common. Shit happens.

Trying not to give any spoilers.....but if Homeland gets rid of Saul next week, I'm not watching any more.

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Assertive does not have to mean "violent."

Oh. You're thinking "whiny".

Speaking of Facebook, a friend just posted this:

Image: Romney_family_Thanksgiving.PNG

Okay, I was wondering why Chavez's supporters were carrying posters that looked nothing like him.

They were posters of Simon Bolivar.

Well, we could just let every candidate campaign carrying posters of Washington and Lincoln, I suppose.

re: #41 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, we could just let every candidate campaign carrying posters of Washington and Lincoln, I suppose.

REAGAN!!

re: #41 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Okay, I was wondering why Chavez's supporters were carrying posters that looked nothing like him.

They were posters of Simon Bolivar.

Well, we could just let every candidate campaign carrying posters of Washington and Lincoln, I suppose.

Well, we do have the Tea Party idiots dressing like them.

After Romney's threat to "terminate" Big Bird, the State Department has put him under their protection. I understand that Elmo is getting worried. Oscar the Grouch, whose disposition is close to Romney's does not feel he is threatened.

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re: #41 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Okay, I was wondering why Chavez's supporters were carrying posters that looked nothing like him.

They were posters of Simon Bolivar.

Well, we could just let every candidate campaign carrying posters of Washington and Lincoln, I suppose.

I hope Chavez gets bitten by something.

re: #40 allegro

Speaking of Facebook, a friend just posted this:

Image: Romney_family_Thanksgiving.PNG

To be fair, Mitt Romney doesn't want to eat Big Bird - he'd probably overcook the fuck out of him anyway (I'm guessing Ann boils all the meat they eat and doesn't even know what salt is) - he just wants to destroy Big Bird's nest and force him to rebuild under a bridge somewhere.

Lately in the creationists' frontline has been their use of the ENCODE project as some sort of signet that evolution has been disproved.

It's all so stupid - somehow because someone once called non-encoding DNA "junk" but now we have a list of what the "junk" does somehow proves intelligent design.

All it proves is how caught up creationists are in the magic of words.

re: #46 darthstar

To be fair, Mitt Romney doesn't want to eat Big Bird - he'd probably overcook the fuck out of him anyway (I'm guessing Ann boils all the meat they eat and doesn't even know what salt is) - he just wants to destroy Big Bird's nest and force him to rebuild under a bridge somewhere.

No, he just wants Big Bird outsourced.

re: #47 freetoken

Lately in the creationists' frontline has been their use of the ENCODE project as some sort of signet that evolution has been disproved.

It's all so stupid - somehow because someone once called non-encoding DNA "junk" but now we have a list of what the "junk" does somehow proves intelligent design.

All it proves is how caught up creationists are in the magic of words.

I love how we're supposed to treat every one of their bullshit projects as completely valid.

re: #46 darthstar

To be fair, Mitt Romney doesn't want to eat Big Bird - he'd probably overcook the fuck out of him anyway (I'm guessing Ann boils all the meat they eat and doesn't even know what salt is) - he just wants to destroy Big Bird's nest and force him to rebuild under a bridge somewhere.

Ya know, I love me some chicken and yellow rice. Now it will be refereed to as either Big Bird dinner, Sesame Street dinner, or Mittens Mix (I like to add broccoli at times).

The complete sum of human scientific knowledge is suspect, unless it backs up the folklore of Middle eastern shepherds from 3000 years ago.

Joy.

re: #51 Kragar

The complete sum of human scientific knowledge is suspect, unless it backs up the folklore of Middle eastern shepherds from 3000 years ago.

Joy.

oh hai you must be new here

all happening this thurs night:

- dating service dinner date
- vice presidential debate
- django reinhardt memorial concert at yoshi's that my buddy wants to go to

why does everything always happen on the same thurs night?

re: #52 Mocking Jay

oh hai you must be new here

First post.

re: #52 Mocking Jay

oh hai you must be new here

Prolly a new age hippie.
/

re: #53 engineer cat

all happening this thurs night:

- dating service dinner date
- vice presidential debate
- django reinhardt memorial concert at yoshi's that my buddy wants to go to

why does everything always happen on the same thurs night?

I wanted to go to this but I am opening a new meth lab that night. Damn it to heck!!!

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

No, he just wants Big Bird outsourced.

Good idea, we can save a few bucks by broadcasting the Mexican version of Sesame Street here in the U.S. and just add english subtitles. As a bonus it will make the kids learn to read faster if they want to know what is being said!

Oh wait, the Republicans will never go for it, the kids might end up bilingual instead of only learning American English as God intended.

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And speaking of junk, last night the subject of women's clothing was raised, and the ranges of prices asked for such.

Yes, it's hard for some of us guys to appreciate that women are willing to dump a thousand dollars on a piece of clothing, but that is the nature of society.

People pay money for what they want.

I have been watching how jewelry is doing these days, and it is pretty clear that gold is way beyond the ability for many Americans to afford. Walking around local fairs and exhibits I observe very, very, very little gold, and what I see is plated gold over a silver base, and by plated I mean barely plated, enough so that the color is influenced by the underlying silver.

Not too long ago in men's mass commercial jewelry alternative metals were a fashion - titanium, steel, etc., often set with wood, "carbon fiber", or other masculine looking material. Fashion though is fickle and I think that trend has sailed.

I was at a fair recently and was reconnoitering at one of the few jewelry stands that wasn't selling junk (e.g., plastic, tin, etc.), mostly sterling silver rings and necklaces. The rings themselves were made from very fine gauge silver wire, and the asking price was less than $20 for ones set with a common stone (amber, quartz. etc.). I overheard (ahem.. on purpose...) women asking "how much", and when the price came up it was clear they didn't want to pay.

This, I thought, was a sign.

A sign of how deeply entrenched cheapness has become.

It's the Walmart-i-zation of America.

At these same fairs people willingly plunk down $20 for horrid (artery clogging) junk food for a couple, but pay less than $20 for a ring of semi-precious material? Never.

This is the Flea-Marketization of America.

It's why we have cheap white resin plastic "furniture" rather than ones made of wood or metal.

It's also why my local stores carry flavorless oranges from Australia (right now) when oranges in the neighborhood are falling off the trees (well, those trees that are left and haven't been cut down.)

Honey-Boo-Boo appears to be a public vision of what we want to become.

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wanted to go to this but I am opening a new meth lab that night. Damn it to heck!!!

hey - professional priorities first!

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

No, he just wants Big Bird outsourced.

Wonderful. Let's find the Mandarin Chinese version and show that, since Mitt has experience sending jobs there.

I want Farfour on PBS!!!
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re: #60 Lidane

Here's the whole thing in better quality:

re: #57 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Good idea, we can save a few bucks by broadcasting the Mexican version of Sesame Street here in the U.S. and just add english subtitles. As a bonus it will make the kids learn to read faster if they want to know what is being said!

Oh wait, the Republicans will never go for it, the kids might end up bilingual instead of only learning American English as God intended.

///

I have just the replacements...

re: #57 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Good idea, we can save a few bucks by broadcasting the Mexican version of Sesame Street here in the U.S. and just add english subtitles.

You rang?

re: #58 freetoken

Hey, you think flea-markets are bad? Just think of what Wal-Mart has done to the flea markets!

No, I'm serious.

This is America!! When will you people realize that we speak American here!!

These pretzels are making me thirsty!!!

so, i was at a street fair today, and there was somebody handing out flyers for a congressional candidate, with a t-shirt with her name on it. the candidate herself was standing a few yards away on the other side of the street. i asked the guy what party she was running in and he said oh, she's an independant. so i took a look at the brochure and the first item on it was about Helping the Job Creators. i got into an argument with this guy, a small business owner with a dozen or so employees, basically losing my temper and asking him why should we all be asked to kiss the ass of "Job Creators", like they were superior beings or something - why not talk about Helping Employees? you know the drill - 'where would you employees be without us Job Creators?" anyway, he ended up calling me a 'fool' and a 'moron', in so many words

i went over to the candidate and told her that that man over there - he could see me doing this - this man wearing a t-shirt with her name on it, had called me a fool and a moron

so here's my question: can this asshole take revenge on me for getting him in hot water with the candidate by calling up my company and lying and saying i badmouthed them or something. my company was never discussed the conversation, but i think i might have given him my first name and the name of the company when he asked me what i did for a living...

re: #69 engineer cat

Freedom of Association is covered by the First Amendment. And FWIW, job creators aren't superior but they are also not obliged to offer the Sun and the Moon to people. But in this case, you should be good.

re: #69 engineer cat

You really think your employer is going to listen to some raving nut on the telephone talking shit about one of their employees?

BTW, the "job creators" are those who come out of the womb -everyone.

It's really, really stupid to try and label someone as a "job creator", when all every and any "job" is can be described as providing a service or product that someone else needs.

And since everyone needs something (actually, lots of somethings), everyone is a "job creator".

re: #71 freetoken

You really think your employer is going to listen to some raving nut on the telephone talking shit about one of their employees?

A good name for a band.

If you have a good relationship with your boss, it shouldn't matter. Happened with a shit head at work with me a few weeks back.

re: #72 freetoken

BTW, the "job creators" are those who come out of the womb -everyone.

It's really, really stupid to try and label someone as a "job creator", when all every and any "job" is can be described as providing a service or product that someone else needs.

And since everyone needs something (actually, lots of somethings), everyone is a "job creator".

Is "job creator" a Frank Luntz euphemism?

re: #72 freetoken

BTW, the "job creators" are those who come out of the womb -everyone.

It's really, really stupid to try and label someone as a "job creator", when all every and any "job" is can be described as providing a service or product that someone else needs.

And since everyone needs something (actually, lots of somethings), everyone is a "job creator".

True but not many will put it on the line and start a business. Or as I like to say,"pull it out of your pants and put it on the table".

re: #75 Mattand

Might as well be.

re: #75 Mattand

Is "job creator" a Frank Luntz euphemism?

My old boss hired me and he increased sales because of my work. We redid a menu, added and subtracted things and he made enough profit to open a second restaurant using some of my recipes. So while he is a job creator, I am as well.

re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar

My old boss hired me and he increased sales because of my work. We redid a menu, added and subtracted things and he made enough profit to open a second restaurant using some of my recipes. So while he is a job creator, I am as well.

I meant as an alternative to calling someone rich, with the implication that if you tax them "unfairly", your job will go away.

re: #79 Mattand

I meant as an alternative to calling someone rich, with the implication that if you tax them "unfairly", your job will go away.

Small business will be taxed soon. As will many. 250K is just a number. Wait until the politicians get the money in their hands. Going from a rate of 36% to 39.6% is $9000. That is a 6 foot flat top or a 6 burner stove. We aren't talking small change here. This will not help small businesses. No reason to increase sales.

re: #80 Cannadian Club Akbar

Small business will be taxed soon. As will many. 250K is just a number. Wait until the politicians get the money in their hands. Going from a rate of 36% to 39.6% is $9000. That is a 6 foot flat top or a 6 burner stove. We aren't talking small change here. This will not help small businesses. No reason to increase sales.

Well, when Hannity or Grover Norquist are bemoaning unfair taxing on job creators, that mantra always seems to come up when talking about raising income tax on the higher end brackets.

Besides, the whole "gubmint wants to tax small biz into the ground" just stinks of Fox-approved fear mongering.

re: #80 Cannadian Club Akbar

Small business will be taxed soon. As will many. 250K is just a number. Wait until the politicians get the money in their hands. Going from a rate of 36% to 39.6% is $9000. That is a 6 foot flat top or a 6 burner stove. We aren't talking small change here. This will not help small businesses. No reason to increase sales.

There is no reason to create new jobs when people lack the money to pay for goods and services.

re: #81 Mattand

Well, when Hannity or Grover Norquist are bemoaning unfair taxing on job creators, that mantra always seems to come up when talking about raising income tax on the higher end brackets.

Besides, the whole "gubmint wants to tax small biz into the ground" just stinks of Fox-approved fear mongering.

Well I don't watch Fox. Or any other FWIW. Taxes are about to go up.

re: #82 Kragar

There is no reason to create new jobs when people lack the money to pay for goods and services.

So we should tax them.

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well I don't watch Fox. Or any other FWIW. Taxes are about to go up.

Evidence?

This means nothing...
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

re: #84 Cannadian Club Akbar

So we should tax them.

How else can we afford to give banks and oil companies tax breaks unless we raise taxes on the middle class? Greedy middleclassers. Not wanting to redistribute their income to noble job creators.

re: #85 Mattand

Evidence?

See my 86. I got the BSOD.

re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's what the battle between the White House and Congress has been about all year.

Obama want's the tax increases only to go into effect for the top incomes, but not the lower brackets, and thus decrease the annual deficit. Congress, controlled by the GOP, which in turn cater to the top income bracket, wants the upper income tax rates to drop.

The "cliff" is approaching because a final tax law change can't be agreed to.

Help here.

re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's what the battle between the White House and Congress has been about all year.

Obama want's the tax increases only to go into effect for the top incomes, but not the lower brackets, and thus decrease the annual deficit. Congress, controlled by the GOP, which in turn cater to the top income bracket, wants the upper income tax rates to drop.

The "cliff" is approaching because a final tax law change can't be agreed to.

re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's what the battle between the White House and Congress has been about all year.

Obama want's the tax increases only to go into effect for the top incomes, but not the lower brackets, and thus decrease the annual deficit. Congress, controlled by the GOP, which in turn cater to the top income bracket, wants the upper income tax rates to drop.

The "cliff" is approaching because a final tax law change can't be agreed to.

WTF? My post are taking very long....

re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mine too. Perhaps the hamsters took a snooze.

D'oh!!

I've noticed that sometimes at night, the servers will hiccup and take a while to post and update.

re: #91 freetoken

Obama wants to tax anything making $250K.

re: #96 Kragar

[Link: www.google.com...]

re: #98 freetoken

[Link: www.google.com...]

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Alrighy. It's late (or early). Shot out to Deb. Nice chat tonight. :)

Updated election forecasting model still points to Romney win, University of Colorado study says

i'll just save a link to this here so what we can take a look at it again after the election thing

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MITTFORMER - MITT ROMNEY ACTION FIGURE COMMERCIAL PARODY

re: #102 Amory Blaine

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The first rule of Mitt Club...

Morning, all

For our long hair excursion of the night, here is Edvard Grieg's opus 51, "Old Norwegian Romance With Variations", with a lush old recording by Thomas Beecham in his heyday:

re: #106 freetoken

The power and the delicacy are truly Grieg trademarks.

Really, really good choice.

TY, FT.

Where the hell is everyone, celebrating Columbus day?! Who will respond to my witty banter?

re: #108 Shropshire_Slasher

Where the hell is everyone, celebrating Columbus day?! Who will respond to my witty banter?

I would, but sadly I have to go and enjoy Columbus Day, and leave you all alone!

Sorry.

Damn you Iossarian!!!

//

U.S. Army Sgt. Henry Johnson of Albany, a World War I hero and the subject of a 94-year lobbying effort to award him the Medal of Honor for his exploits, will be featured in the PBS program "History Detectives."

[Link: www.timesunion.com...]

re: #106 freetoken

For our long hair excursion of the night, here is Edvard Grieg's opus 51, "Old Norwegian Romance With Variations", with a lush old recording by Thomas Beecham in his heyday:

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It's fun to wake up and have your overnight music selection to listen to while getting things ready for my son to go to school.

Thank you!

Morning Honcos. Seems like I just left.
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Party boat.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

You really, really need to see this.

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

If you ever introduce me to another tone deaf person, I'll, I'll, well, be really mad!!!
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re: #115 goddamnedfrank

You really, really need to see this.

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It really picks up about half way through when old man crazy fuck tells us that Obama's the gay one. This is what the Republican base looks like.

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

You really, really need to see this.

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Man, that was truly horrible...

AFP - A flood of top-end properties are hitting the market as businessmen seek to leave France before stiff tax hikes hit, real estate agents and financial advisors say.

"It's nearly a general panic. Some 400 to 500 residences worth more than one million euros ($1.3 million) have come onto the Paris market," said managers at Daniel Feau, a real-estate broker that specialises in high-end property.

While it is not yet on the scale of the exodus of rich French after the election of Socialist president Francois Mitterrand in 1981, real estate agents said, the tax plans of France's new Socialist President Francois Hollande are having a noticeable effect.

While the Socialists' plan to raise the tax rate to 75 percent on income above 1.0 million euros per year has generated the most headlines, a sharp increase in taxes on capital gains from the sales of stock and company stakes is pushing most people to leave, according Didier Bugeon, head of the wealth manager Equance.
[Link: www.france24.com...]
This should work out well....

Speaking of truly horrible...how about a "nice" freeper fantasy?

I get polled all the time, and I do get frustrated sometimes because the polls are many times worded to achieve a desired result.

Here is a typical example:

during bush’s term in office I would often get polled about the Iraq war.

The question usually went something like “do you approve or disapprove of President Bush’s handling of the Iraq war”

UGH!!

That is a freaking BOGUS poll! because it’s rigged! If I answer truefully that I don’t approve of Bush’s handling of the war, my answer will get lumped together with all the lib answers and be trumpted from the rooftops as proof we should end the war in Iraq!

When NOTHING could be further from the truth. I didn’t approve because I wanted him to nuke the SOB’s back into the stone age !!!! and thought we had no business putting soldiers in harms way, when we could kill them by the millions from 1,000 miles away or 30,000 feet with no risk.

So I was forced to lie and said I approved when I didn’t

7 posted on 09/30/2012 7:25:46 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

re: #120 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I'm not sure linking to the Freepers is a good thing. I may be wrong in this case.

IMF's Lipton calls on U.S. to address fiscal cliff
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

David Lipton must be part of the "tea" party. Thanks folks I'm here all week, try the beef!

MADRID, Oct. 5 (UPI) -- A Spanish official said his resignation Friday, four days after he got the job, was not tied to his remark, "Laws are like women -- they are there to be raped."

"No one has asked for my resignation," Jose Manuel Castelao Bragana, 71, told the Spanish newspaper El Pais.

"I have a personal situation, so I cannot take the job," he said. "It has nothing to do with what happened, although it is true that it all adds up."
[Link: www.upi.com...]

What a fucking douche.

Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Meh. What could go wrong?

Lmao...comment on a "One News Now" article...

Mike Yuscavage

Newsweek does not impress me. I will not consider them to be fair and unbiased until EVERY story they do is written from a strong, conservative point of view.

Someone needs to get this man a dictionary.

U.S. Households Face Tax Increase From 2013 Fiscal Cliff
U.S. households are facing an average tax increase of $3,446 in 2013 if Congress doesn’t avert the so- called fiscal cliff, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center said in a study released today.

The top 1 percent of households face some of the largest tax increases in 2013 and would see their after-tax incomes fall by 10.5 percent if Congress does nothing. That would translate to an average tax increase of $120,537 for that group.

A typical middle-income household earning between about $40,000 and $60,000 a year would see a tax increase of about $2,000. The average federal tax rate, including all taxes, would reach 24.3 percent, up five percentage points.
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

re: #44 allegro

After Romney's threat to "terminate" Big Bird, the State Department has put him under their protection. I understand that Elmo is getting worried. Oscar the Grouch, whose disposition is close to Romney's does not feel he is threatened.

Image: got-the-bird.PNG

Oscar is moving to a gated community and getting his trashcan armored.

re: #73 Cannadian Club Akbar

A good name for a band.

Or something like "Raving Nuts and the Squirrel" if they play alternative music.

re: #120 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Speaking of truly horrible...how about a "nice" freeper fantasy?

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

The violent fantasy at the end is nasty, but its nothing I've haven't though of doing myself. I just know it would be wrong to do such a thing, so I listen to the better parts of myself and ignore the demon when he suggests such things. That understanding is what separates LGF from FR.

The thrust of the post does make a useful point, though one entangled with the Bad Craziness. Poll questions are sometimes slanted to gain a desired result and you don't have to be a wingnut to deplore dishonest opinion polling.

The tolerant left.
[Link: jezebel.com...]

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

The tolerant left.
[Link: jezebel.com...]

Just wait long enough and even Republicans will be making snide comments about her because she's black..they can't help themselves.

re: #120 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Speaking of truly horrible...how about a "nice" freeper fantasy?

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

I get polled all the time, and I do get frustrated sometimes because the polls are many times worded to achieve a desired result.

Which means you have to read closely exactly which questions were asked, not just "X% of Americans approve/disapprove of Y"

re: #132 AK-47%

Just wait long enough and even Republicans will be making snide comments about her because she's black..they can't help themselves.

Both sides turn on their own when said person doesn't tow the line.

re: #101 engineer cat

Updated election forecasting model still points to Romney win, University of Colorado study says

i'll just save a link to this here so what we can take a look at it again after the election thing

The authors also provided caveats. Their model had an average error rate of five states and 28 Electoral College votes. Factors they said may affect their prediction include the timeframe of the economic data used in the study and that states very close to a 50-50 split may fall in an unexpected direction due to factors not included in the model.

Happy Bday, John Lennon.

re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar

Both sides turn on their own when said person doesn't tow the line.

Toe the line. Anyway, I didn't get the memo on this Stacy Dash who I never heard of. I can't see how she qualifies as "one of their own" either.

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

The violent fantasy at the end is nasty, but its nothing I've haven't though of doing myself. I just know it would be wrong to do such a thing, so I listen to the better parts of myself and ignore the demon when he suggests such things. That understanding is what separates LGF from FR.

The thrust of the post does make a useful point, though one entangled with the Bad Craziness. Poll questions are sometimes slanted to gain a desired result and you don't have to be a wingnut to deplore dishonest opinion polling.

I suppose this could be a case of intentional slant to get a "desired result", but it need not be. It could be just laziness or ineptitude on the part of the poll designer(s). I remember people on the left making the same kind of complaint about polls asking whether or not they approved of the ACA, on the ground that some number of the people who disapproved did so because it didn't go far enough (e.g., they wanted a public option). It doesn't seem likely to me that the polling organization asked the question that way because they wanted to inflate opposition to the Obamacare.

re: #137 Gus

Toe the line. Anyway, I didn't get the memo on this Stacy Dash who I never heard of. I can't see how she qualifies as "one of their own" either.

I have never heard of her but apparently people on twitter have.

re: #137 Gus

Toe the line. Anyway, I didn't get the memo on this Stacy Dash who I never heard of. I can't see how she qualifies as "one of their own" either.

She starred in Clueless alongside Alicia Silverstone 17 years ago.

Whatever.

In keeping with my current theme of ruining peoples faith in humanity...another "interesting" comment...

Steven Fast Jr.
Science in and of itself DEFIES the theory of evolution. Here is simple proof. Remember the experiment done by Fransesco Redi in 1668 with the flies and rotting meat in jars? One was sealed, the other had a screen on top of it, and the last one was left open. The one that was sealed, obviously, had no flies. The one that had the screen on top had flies and maggots on the screen, and the one that was left open had flies and maggots all over the meat. That experiment proved the irrefutable fact that LIFE ONLY COMES FROM LIFE!

That being the case, how can an explosion over billions of years create life? An explosion would kill everything. Therefore, no life would exist to create life. Also, if the theory of evolution were true, wouldn't life find a way to adapt to the atmospheres on other planets? We have 9 planets in our solar system, 8 of which are uninhabited by ANY form of life. The Bible STATES that God created the universe. Evolution THEORIZES how the earth was created.

Sigh...Evolution does not attempt to explain either the origin of life or how the earth was created...fail.

re: #138 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I suppose this could be a case of intentional slant to get a "desired result", but it need not be. It could be just laziness or ineptitude on the part of the poll designer(s). I remember people on the left making the same kind of complaint about polls asking whether or not they approved of the ACA, on the ground that some number of the people who disapproved did so because it didn't go far enough (e.g., they wanted a public option). It doesn't seem likely to me that the polling organization asked the question that way because they wanted to inflate opposition to the Obamacare.

Laziness and ineptitude actually anger me even more than mendacity in such matters. I can actually appreciate the skill of the designer of a well-designed push-poll, even if his intent was evil and even while I denounce his evil intent and reveal his dishonesty. I'll be angry, but underneath that anger is a small sense of gratitude for having a challenge worthy of me. What I truly hate is when someone is just lazy or stupid and just screws up. I hate seeing a job badly done.

Call it my Zen, if you wish.

re: #135 kirkspencer

Likewise, they admit in the press release that, despite the boast that they've correctly predicted 8 elections, the model's actually only been realistically applied to two, '08 and this year. They applied the model retrospectively to seven other elections and came up with "confirmations," which they see as validation of the model.

re: #141 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

The first thing I was taught in high skool biology is the life comes from life. But I'm certainly no creationist.

re: #141 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

In keeping with my current theme of ruining peoples faith in humanity...another "interesting" comment...

Sigh...Evolution does not attempt either the origin of life or how the earth was created...fail.

The creationist can't win the argument over evolution and knows it, so he's trying to change the subject while not admitting he's doing so. Talking about the formation of the Earth is the creationist equivalent of shouting "Squirrel!".

This place is running slow again.

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

The creationist can't win the argument over evolution and knows it, so he's trying to change the subject while not admitting he's doing so. Talking about the formation of the Earth is the creationist equivalent of shouting "Squirrel!".

It was those Pre-Cambrian squirrels rolling up trilobites and hiding them in the mud that started this mess...
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Good morning Lizards!

re: #146 Cannadian Club Akbar

This place is running slow again.

Yeah, server was being cranky last night/early morning too...

(Reuters) - China's top telecoms gear makers should be shut out of the U.S. market as potential Chinese state influence on them poses a security threat, the U.S. House of Representatives' Intelligence Committee said in a draft of a report to be released on Monday.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Not even a whisper from the MSM about the election in Venezuela being fishy. Do they really have the technology to count votes that fast? Even here in the states it takes a couple hours for results to come in. Oh, well.

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Not even a whisper from the MSM about the election in Venezuela being fishy. Do they really have the technology to count votes that fast? Even here in the states it takes a couple hours for results to come in. Oh, well.

Were you expecting the media to do their jobs?

Hola Lizards!

Got my formal job offer this morning. The base pay is a tad lower than I'd like, but the commission setup more than makes up for it, and the benefits package is a good one. If I just do the job I'm being hired for and aim just to hit the expected targets, I'll make good money, but where's the fun in that? I'd rather aim for the same targets that would be expected for the position above mine instead. Even if I fall short, I'd still be doing better than average. Plus, more money is always good.

I still need to read it all thoroughly to get a fuller picture of what's expected from me and the full terms of the deal, but at first glance, it looks good. I'll be back in the working world soon enough. :D

Good morning lizards!

Why is LGF crawling this morning?

Mitt Romney is an idiot. I dont think this FP speech will help him with moderates and independents.

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Why is LGF crawling this morning?

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"@gus_802: @green_footballs Can't get into LGF." Huge traffic surge from Reddit.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 8, 2012

Test

OK, I was finally able to log in and set up a redirect to send that Reddit-linked page to a static HTML file. I think it's helping.

re: #157 Charles Johnson

OK, I was finally able to log in and set up a redirect to send that Reddit-linked page to a static HTML file. I think it's helping.

Page won't finish loading on my end. Now checking how quick it will post a comment...

We're still getting flooded with traffic, but it's noticeably better without serving that page dynamically.

Man, that was annoying.

We're not out of the woods yet. I can't believe how much traffic Reddit drives - it's almost like Drudge Report.

I'm in! I'm in!

And here's your reward for my presence...

WTF? RT @zachbraff: Romney farts on a young girl: twitter.com/zachbraff/stat...

— Pirate Wench (@PirateWench) October 8, 2012

Icons twitter.com/Andy_Richter/s...

— Andy Richter (@Andy_Richter) October 8, 2012

Romney's lie on Obama & trade agreements is so blatant, it's amazing he's willing to repeat it on.msnbc.com/R7EZAb

— Steve Benen (@stevebenen) October 8, 2012

re: #161 Charles Johnson

We're not out of the woods yet. I can't believe how much traffic Reddit drives - it's almost like Drudge Report.

What is Reddit sending people here to see?

I don't get it. There are 4,056 currently online. I've seen much more in the past.

Test

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Might be about Destros "Reagan killed The Learning Channel" page top of the featured. I can't get in to comment again.

RealClearPolitics is getting even more desperate.

Gallup released 2 polls today. One is their traditional 7-day tracking poll, which goes from last Monday through Sunday (10/1-10/7). This poll has Obama ahead +5. This is the poll that RCP normally includes in the average.

The other poll is a three-day, post-debate poll from Thursday to Saturday (10/4-10/6). This one has the race tied.

RCP includes only the 3-day poll, saying it is is the "most recent." .....Um.....what?

Has Destros Page aged to where there will be no more comments?

re: #170 Daniel Ballard

No - I set up a redirect to a static version of the page, to try to reduce the server load. No dynamic features on that page until the Reddit firehose stops blasting quite so hard.

re: #168 Daniel Ballard

Might be about Destros "Reagan killed The Learning Channel" page top of the featured. I can't get in to comment again.

Well, if you can't get in there, go over to his misreading of Romney/class-warfare rant and give it the downding it deserves. Lostlakehiker and I have pointed out how Destro is wrong, but it could use a push from you too.