freetokenFollow @freetokenNow (as of Dec. 6th) available on Youtube in high definition, courtesy of the producers, the 2011 documentary that looks at the history and failure of the “War on Drugs”:
If only our current administration would tackle this problem with enlightenment. Perhaps someday the US will have a political atmosphere where the President will have the room to admit publicly the terrible costs of this war.
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sauceruney Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:06:06am |
He has the room to admit it right now. It would cause outrageous outrage on top of all the other fauxtrage, but we'd be moving FORWARD.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 1:16:57pm |
But the drug war has been very successful at Disenfranchising large segments of the population. Look at Florida where 10.42% of the entire state population is no longer able to vote because they are incarcerated, on probation or parole, or have a past felony conviction.
If you look only at the African American population of Florida you will find that 23.32% of them were ineligible to vote in 2011. Think about that one for a minute, we have removed the right to vote from almost a quarter of a minority. One with a long history of attempts to disenfranchise their votes in the South and we have done so "completely legally."
Who needs poll taxes and literacy tests when we have the war on drugs? It is no coincidence that many of the the strongest anti-drug legalization voices belong to conservative Southern politicians.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sun, Dec 9, 2012 5:53:22pm |
This was a good production.
I don't have a lot of faith it will happen totally in my lifetime, but I think it will happen. Goverments have been trying to regulate addiction substances since the beginning of governments. It has never worked.
I expect to see the Right wing whackos saying that Regulation and Education are code for socialism and an excuse to expand federal powers --unlike the War on Drugs itself *spit*
I also expect this has more to do with some Rich White Guy or group of Rich White Guys who don't want to give up profits. I know that sounds extremely cynical, yet I don't think our involvement in Afghanistan is just for humanitarian or security reasons. Someone is making a lot of money (somehow legally)
A $320 Billion dollar global industry has a lot of cash to spread around.
Lack of support and opportunity for those with convictions to change their lives is insane. At the very least, we could remove those restrictions.
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bratwurst Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:05:26pm |
The fact that a second term for Obama is not any kind of cause for optimism on this front tells me we still have a LONG time to wait for some reality to be brought into national policy. Sad.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:13:46pm |
re: #4 bratwurst
The fact that a second term for Obama is not any kind of cause for optimism on this front tells me we still have a LONG time to wait for some reality to be brought into national policy. Sad.
A matter of political capital. Obama has but a limited amount and he intends to use it in the places where he thinks it would yield the most results.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:35:47pm |
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freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:36:46pm |
re: #4 bratwurst
One reason this documentary caught my eye is because of the never ending bloodbath just across the border, for which some here have provided links over the past couple of years.
Far more blood has been shed, right on our border, over this problem in the past couple of years than, say, in Gaza, but somehow the political discourse in this country prefers to divert itself into talking about problems other nations have on continents elsewhere, rather than in our own house.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:40:20pm |
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Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:42:57pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:45:14pm |
re: #9 Kragar
Gingrich: Today’s GOP ‘incapable of competing’ against 2016 Clinton bid
And nobody represents today's GOP better than Newt.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:47:24pm |
And in a snowy Green Bay, the Detroit Lions lead the Packers 14-10 at the half. For a rarity, I'll say "Go Lions! Play the spoiler for me!"
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freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:55:48pm |
re: #9 Kragar
Gingrich: Today’s GOP ‘incapable of competing’ against 2016 Clinton bid
Thanks in no small part to Newt himself.
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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:59:22pm |
re: #11 Dark_Falcon
And in a snowy Green Bay, the Detroit Lions lead the Packers 14-10 at the half. For a rarity, I'll say "Go Lions! Play the spoiler for me!"
Peckers wouldn't even be in this game if it wasn't for a fumble. Defensive scoring...feh.
And yeah, I meant to write 'Peckers'
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Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:59:36pm |
Rep. Blackburn: Republicans ‘are the party of big ideas’
Note to GOP: Big doesn't mean good.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:00:31pm |
re: #13 darthstar
Peckers wouldn't even be in this game if it wasn't for a fumble. Defensive scoring...feh.
And yeah, I meant to write 'Peckers'
PACKERS!!!
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darthstar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:02:06pm |
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jaunte Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:04:36pm |
"The most famous wolf in the world" killed by Wyoming hunter after straying outside Yellowstone rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/09/…
— John R Platt (@johnrplatt) December 10, 2012
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:04:41pm |
Suh
Dope
Just cost his team 15 yards for absolutely nothing! AGAIN
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:04:44pm |
How not to build support for marijuana legalization:
Two students from the University of Colorado have been arrested after serving pot brownies to classmates and a professor on Dec. 7, reported the Associated Press.
The history professor reportedly became dizzy and complained of losing consciousness, according to university spokesperson Ryan Huff, reported the Daily Camera. One student’s mother claimed her daughter went to the hospital after suffering an anxiety attack. Overall, three were hospitalized and five others claimed they became ill.
The two students who served the brownies, Thomas Ricardo Cunningham and Mary Elizabeth Essa, affirmed that they had marijuana in them.
While Colorado recently legalized marijuana possession, it is still illegal to serve it to people without their consent.
Serving pot brownies to people without telling them that the brownies are laced is like secretly spiking the punch bowl with bourbon: Not Cool and not respectful to the rights of others. I don't want the lives of Mr. Cunningham and Ms. Essa ruined, but they need a few weeks in jail for what they did.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:08:54pm |
re: #18 sattv4u2
Suh
Dope
Just cost his team
15 yards7 points for absolutely nothing! AGAIN
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Ming Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:11:53pm |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
A matter of political capital. Obama has but a limited amount and he intends to use it in the places where he thinks it would yield the most results.
I agree with you, but I wonder if something else is going on here, beyond Obama's caution about spending political capital. There are tremendous financial incentives to keep the War on Drugs going. We're talking about very big money. I must assume that there are major pressures, from powerful organizations, to maintain the War on Drugs. Of course, the President could begin to wind down this utter failure of a "war". But that might take a lot more political capital than we might have expected.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:12:01pm |
re: #13 darthstar
Peckers wouldn't even be in this game if it wasn't for a fumble. Defensive scoring...feh.
And yeah, I meant to write 'Peckers'
As they say, it's better to be lucky than good. Packers have been much more luck than good this season. If they didn't have Rodgers they'd resemble the teams from the early to mid 70's.
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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:12:32pm |
Nice to see the experienced former South American leadership here.
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:13:38pm |
re: #17 jaunte
[Embedded content]
Just thought I'd take this moment to remind everyone that malignant tumor governor Scott Walker legalized wolf hunting in Wisconsin.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:14:53pm |
re: #24 Gus
Nice to see the experienced former South American leadership here.
I've been to Rio de Janeiro, Santiago Chili and Lima Peru. Does that count??
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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:15:27pm |
re: #27 sattv4u2
I've been to Rio de Janeiro, Santiago Chili and Lima Peru. Does that count??
Sometimes. ;)
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engineer cat Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:16:03pm |
Rep. Blackburn: Republicans ‘are the party of big ideas’
yeeah? where'dja get th' big idea, buster?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:17:10pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:18:25pm |
re: #25 dragonath
Just thought I'd take this moment to remind everyone that
malignant tumorgovernor Scott Walker legalized wolf hunting in Wisconsin.
Wolf hunting is not morally problematic if it is carefully regulated.
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freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:19:15pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Wolf hunting is not morally problematic if it is carefully regulated.
You only say that because you are a hominin and not a canine.
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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:19:35pm |
re: #32 sattv4u2
YIPPEEE
what do I win??
(a Sofia Vergara would be nice!)
My standard prize is a year supply of Eskimo Pies™!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:21:37pm |
re: #35 Gus
My standard prize is a year supply of Eskimo Pies™!
Thats fine. Just have Sofia deliver them to me
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:23:18pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Nothing in the last 10 years has given me the impression that Republicans have a vested interest in seeing anything "carefully regulated".
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:25:38pm |
re: #25 dragonath
Just thought I'd take this moment to remind everyone that
malignant tumorgovernor Scott Walker legalized Wolf hunting in Wisconsin.
We have coyotes nearby. A couple of years back a small pack was causing havoc in a very nice upscale residential neighborhood(s) north of the city. TheY caught one and found it to be rabid Wolves, Coyotes, in the wild,,, cool. Near populated areas, not so much
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:26:16pm |
re: #34 freetoken
You only say that because you are a hominin and not a canine.
And if I were bovine I'd quite heartily approve of wolf hunting. But I'm human as it happens.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:26:32pm |
re: #38 Gus
Hey man. Like I'm in Colorado. What are we talking about?
Wyomings plan to invade!!!
SECURE THE NORTHERN BORDER!!!
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freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:28:54pm |
re: #41 Dark_Falcon
And if I were bovine I'd quite heartily approve of wolf hunting. But I'm human as it happens.
I doubt that - if you were a bovine you'd have about a .00001% chance of being killed by a canine, and a 99.99999% chance of being killed by a hominin.
I suspect you'd see the canines as your friends.
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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:29:05pm |
At 48:36 you can see Gil Kerlikowske being a weasel. That's Obama's drug czar. We've got a long way to go progressives.
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bratwurst Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:29:56pm |
re: #22 Ming
I agree with you, but I wonder if something else is going on here, beyond Obama's caution about spending political capital. There are tremendous financial incentives to keep the War on Drugs going. We're talking about very big money. I must assume that there are major pressures, from powerful organizations, to maintain the War on Drugs. Of course, the President could begin to wind down this utter failure of a "war". But that might take a lot more political capital than we might have expected.
Take a look at for-profit prisons as a starting point!
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:29:58pm |
re: #39 sattv4u2
Eliminating a pack because they have rabies is one thing, using the same justification to defend the extirpation of a wild population is another. People are everywhere.
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freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:30:30pm |
re: #44 Gus
As the documentary tried to illuminate, the US President has little room politically to maneuver, if he/she wants to be elected or re-elected.
Perhaps as a lame duck Obama might crawl a few more millimeters out on the limb.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:30:50pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Wolf hunting is not morally problematic if it is carefully regulated.
While that is true and hunting is an important tool in the conservation toolbox, I can not say that I trust the Walker administration or the ditz he put in at the DNR to do anything correctly or carefully regulated. The new radical hunting deregulation bill is one example why.
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BongCrodny Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:32:05pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:33:32pm |
re: #47 freetoken
As the documentary tried to illuminate, the US President has little room politically to maneuver, if he/she wants to be elected or re-elected.
Perhaps as a lame duck Obama might crawl a few more millimeters out on the limb.
The question with lame ducks becomes "Does the president still have enough political capital to get his measure through the Congress?"
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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:35:06pm |
re: #47 freetoken
As the documentary tried to illuminate, the US President has little room politically to maneuver, if he/she wants to be elected or re-elected.
Perhaps as a lame duck Obama might crawl a few more millimeters out on the limb.
Interesting but having been through other presidents past, I'm not holding my breath. But we'll see, I'm more than happy to be wrong. Right now the Drug War and drug laws are what's leading to an high rate of incarceration of young black males. Why won't he act? Considering what he communicated in 2004 and his alleged leadership role.
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engineer cat Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:37:17pm |
re: #50 Dark_Falcon
The question with lame ducks becomes "Does the president still have enough political capital to get his measure through the Congress?"
not facing re-election means he has less to lose
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Interesting Times Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:38:32pm |
BWAHAHA - idiot-birther-truther-denier troll is back, this time spouting the durr-hurr-gorebull-warming-stopped-16-years-ago lie from the venerable pages of trashy British tabloids.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:39:12pm |
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freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:42:13pm |
re: #51 Gus
This is just another issue in which the President demonstrates how wrong the wingnuts are when they bloviate on the alleged "far left" nature of Obama and his administration.
Barack Obama has always been a triangulation-ist, and pretty much a "centrist", which means he tries to find the center of political mass. He's about as non-ideological as Presidents come.
However, as you know in Colorado, at the state level the mood is slowly changing.
The use of the "War on Drugs" as a cover for social warfare lies hidden in the shadows. One thing about our society is that we've become especially particular about a person's past, condemning people to a lifetime of restrictions for some offense against a law committed years previously.
One thing I noticed about living in Japan is that while they can be amazingly hard assed on things like drug possession, as a society they are also remarkably forgiving in letting transgressors reintegrate into the larger society.
But not here in America. We like to label people - put a big scarlet A on their foreheads - and make punishment perpetual.
I tend to see it as another leftover of the hyper-religious heritage.
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Stanghazi Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:42:20pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Wolf hunting is not morally problematic if it is carefully regulated.
did you read about the two tagged wolves killed? havent read every comment yet, hope not redundant. so messed up.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:49:20pm |
Civilization moves too slowly.
Hand me more bread and wine!
[Slings back in throne.]
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:53:41pm |
re: #61 Gus
Image: 11s-first-night-home.jpg
Cats.
Thank God you said that
I was thinking some horrid hairy growth on his neck!!
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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:55:30pm |
re: #62 sattv4u2
Thank God you said that
I was thinking some horrid hairy growth on his neck!!
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jaunte Sun, Dec 9, 2012 7:59:46pm |
Montgomery Burns Explains the Fiscal Cliff
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:00:11pm |
K everyone
keep your eyes glued towards Korea. Let the Japanese know of you see something!!
North Korean rocket launch window opens
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
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Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:04:03pm |
Krugman: DeMint ‘took the think out of the think tank’
During a Sunday panel discussion on ABC, Republican strategist Mary Matalin sarcastically noted that her “hero,” British economist John Maynard Keynes, had said that “ideas drive history, ideas drive progress and Heritage has long been the fount of so many great ideas.”
“As a conservative, as a constitutionalist, that was a brilliant move — a good move for us, a brilliant move for him,” she insisted.
“The actual Keynes quote was he said, it’s ideas ‘which are dangerous for good or evil,’” Krugman pointed out. “I guess I’ve got a view in this case.”
“I’m more interested in what does this do to Heritage?” the liberal economist continued. “I mean, this is somebody who has no sense that he’s a researcher or an academic, anything like that. This is sort of taking the think out of the think tank, right? This is turning into a purely political institution.”
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:04:30pm |
re: #54 Interesting Times
BWAHAHA - idiot-birther-truther-denier troll is back, this time spouting the durr-hurr-gorebull-warming-stopped-16-years-ago lie from the venerable pages of trashy British tabloids.
Glad I went grocery shopping yesterday. I've got a fresh bag of charcoal and the grill is cleaned out. So if the troll gets clubbed, I'm ready.
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Gus Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:06:28pm |
re: #65 sattv4u2
K everyone
keep your eyes glued towards Korea. Let the Japanese know of you see something!!
North Korean rocket launch window opens
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
They should have a fully working ICBM in 80 years.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:11:08pm |
Atheists around world suffer persecution, discrimination
Atheists and other religious skeptics suffer persecution or discrimination in many parts of the world and in at least seven nations can be executed if their beliefs become known, according to a report issued on Monday.
The study, from the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU), showed that "unbelievers" in Islamic countries face the most severe - sometimes brutal - treatment at the hands of the state and adherents of the official religion.
But it also points to policies in some European countries and the United States which favor the religious and their organizations and treat atheists and humanists as outsiders.
The report, "Freedom of Thought 2012", said "there are laws that deny atheists' right to exist, curtail their freedom of belief and expression, revoke their right to citizenship, restrict their right to marry."
Other laws "obstruct their access to public education, prohibit them from holding public office, prevent them from working for the state, criminalize their criticism of religion, and execute them for leaving the religion of their parents."
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:11:49pm |
re: #68 Gus
They should have a fully working ICBM in 80 years.
The Great Supreme Leader will not be pleased!!!
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:21:23pm |
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freetoken Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:27:21pm |
Is this a sign of the end?
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:29:00pm |
Grifters gonna grift:
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:30:16pm |
re: #72 freetoken
Is this a sign of the end?
Or not
The Kindle is priced at $69, but displays ads on its screensaver, and comes without a charger. Without the ads and with a charger, it costs $99. So, the Nook offers perhaps the best value in the entry-level e-reader category, leading into the holidays.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:34:16pm |
re: #74 sattv4u2
Meh, laptop + reader software = much better solution.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:35:19pm |
re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis
Meh, laptop + reader software = much better solution.
If you're willing to pay the weight penalty. But there's always trade-offs.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:35:22pm |
re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis
Meh, laptop + reader software = much better solution.
Hard to get a laptop with 6.5 inches x 4.5 inches by 0.34 inches and 6 ounces dimensions
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:36:51pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:39:49pm |
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:39:59pm |
Okay, I might have posted too quickly on that APA article. From Huffington Post:
Just as the removal of homosexuality in 1973 was partial, the exclusion not completed until 1987, there is still work to be done for the broader trans community. The DSM still dehumanizes garden-variety cross-dressing under the category "transvestic fetishism," particularly insulting in its use of the term "fetish." And there are many activists who feel that the APA didn't go far enough and oppose the mention of any form of cross-gender behavior in the DSM, including the new category, "gender dysphoria."
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Interesting Times Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:41:28pm |
re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis
Meh, laptop + reader software = much better solution.
I bought a Sony eReader (the store's display model, so nice big discount) and find reading on it so much easier than on a computer or even my tablet. The e-Ink really does look like printed words on paper, which eliminates the kind of eyestrain you get from other displays - to say nothing of the fact you can read it in bright sunlight :)
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:42:45pm |
re: #78 sattv4u2
re: #77 sattv4u2
all for $79
I'd rather one bigger gadget that can do all of the things I want to do - including read books but also program, run emulators (currently I have DOS, Amiga, Lisp Machine, VAX & IBM Mainframe (Hercules) emulators that I use regularly), office software, as well as those things on the web that we all live for. And this is with a 10 year old laptop.
No, I will not go backwards to one of those silly little tablets.
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bratwurst Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:44:16pm |
Wise words like "I'm definitely going to the GOP nominee this year" are why MTP asks Newt for his sage 2016 predictions.— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) December 10, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:45:57pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:47:43pm |
re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis
one of those silly little tablets.
Thing is, "one of those silly little tablets" isn't meant to do all the things you mentioned
it would be like saying you would never use a toaster oven or microwave oven because your house already had an regular oven in it
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:48:56pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
Comment edited. Please refresh.
I did
It still doesn't make sense
A "weight penalty" for what?? Where?. To whom!?!?!?
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:53:05pm |
re: #85 sattv4u2
one of those silly little tablets.
Thing is, "one of those silly little tablets" isn't meant to do all the things you mentioned
it would be like saying you would never use a toaster or microwave oven because your house already had an regular oven in it
Yes, except that whole idea of the tablets is that you can carry them with you where ever you go and if I'm going to do that I'd rather be able to fire up Lemmings or Allegro Common Lisp if I find the new bestseller boring ;)
My 75 year old father has an Ipad. It's perfect for him. My SIL has a Nook & it's good for her. I'll pack the biggest fastest most modern real computer I can afford, thankyewverymuch...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:53:15pm |
Sunday night game is over
NBC Trademark/ Copyright shown
I can take it down and pack it up!!!
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:54:14pm |
re: #86 sattv4u2
I did
It still doesn't make senseA "weight penalty" for what?? Where?. To whom!?!?!?
A laptop, such as I prefer, will always weigh more than a tablet. Hence a "weight penalty." I pay it happily.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:55:43pm |
re: #87 William Barnett-Lewis
I got the reader for my son so he doesn't have to lug half a dozen heavy college text books around campus all day long. He also has a laptop and a desktop with him there
Sometimes he takes the laptop to class(es). Sometimes, not
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Kaessa Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:55:58pm |
re: #87 William Barnett-Lewis
Yes, except that whole idea of the tablets is that you can carry them with you where ever you go and if I'm going to do that I'd rather be able to fire up Lemmings or Allegro Common Lisp if I find the new bestseller boring ;)
My 75 year old father has an Ipad. It's perfect for him. My SIL has a Nook & it's good for her. I'll pack the biggest fastest most modern real computer I can afford, thankyewverymuch...
I use a Nexus 7 tablet as my all around portable "take it with you" device because it fits perfectly into my purse. Bigger than my phone, but not as cumbersome as a laptop. I replaced an old 2nd generation Kindle, which I loved, and I don't regret it for a moment.
I have a laptop for when I need to carry something more powerful with me, but that's hardly every day.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:56:35pm |
re: #89 William Barnett-Lewis
A laptop, such as I prefer, will always weigh more than a table. Hence a "weight penalty." I pay it happily.
I do a LOT of traveling and I have never paid a 'weight penalty" carrying on my laptop, bag, charging cord, mouse and all
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:56:54pm |
Something for the Beatles fans out there...
Roll up, and that's an invitation! The Beatles' 1967 film, "Magical Mystery Tour," perplexed many of even the band's most devoted fans. Surviving Beatles Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr were among those who were interviewed for this look at the controversial and surreal film that many Beatlemaniacs have still never seen. After "Revisited" airs on "Great Performances," a fully restored version of the film itself will be shown. (Dec. 14, 9 p.m., PBS.)
[Link: video.pbs.org...]
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:57:28pm |
I just got done reading about this "Reign Down" thing that's featured in Randall's Page- that's the thing that Kansas Guv Brownback is hawking right now.
I figured I'd check out the actual site, and see if I could get some ...illumination.
THE VISION
In July of 2005, God woke up a 31-year old stay-at-home mom to give her a vision for His people, revealing that He was about to move in a mighty way. His call to humility, prayer, worship, seeking Him with all of our heart, and repentance of our own personal sins was a cry for us to turn back to Him. “I am HERE!” He said. “I never left you! It is time...time to put me back in the center.” He promised that as the Body of Christ gathered together in worship, prayer, and true repentance, He would reign down His blessings and miracles in an unprecedented way. The vision very clearly showed Michael W. Smith leading worship and former President George W. Bush repenting on behalf of the nation, culminating in a movement of God's hand across America to bring healing, restoration and unprecedented unity and prosperity.
Who the **** is Michael J. Smith, and why is George W. Bush repenting for his own crappy presidency? Oh this is so delightfully crazy.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:00:13pm |
re: #89 William Barnett-Lewis
re: #92 sattv4u2
I do a LOT of traveling and I have never paid a 'weight penalty" carrying on my laptop, bag, charging cord, mouse and all
I usually travel with a carry on bag (one that actually fits into the trial size display at the airports) as well as my laptop bag. Again, i have never been charged a weight penalty for it. Never even asked about it really
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:00:15pm |
re: #92 sattv4u2
Pssst: Metaphor not literal warning, dude.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:00:56pm |
Ah well
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:03:14pm |
re: #97 sattv4u2
Ah well
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
Drive safe so I can complain about your posts tomorrow... ;)
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:04:52pm |
It gets better:
Leading up to the four-hour event, a massive storm with life-threatening tornadoes, heavy rain and winds, and lightning was heading straight towards the gathering at the National Mall in D.C. The National Park Service issued one warning, saying that after three warnings—or the first bolt of lightning—they were going to pull the plug and the event would not happen. Realizing it was beyond their control, with less than an hour until the event was to start, ReignDown USA's leaders and intercessors knelt behind the stage and cried out for God to divert the storm to the North and the South. They called upon the power of the Holy Spirit for the winds to shift from the West to the East and blow the storm away. As they cried out on their knees and begged God to move…He did! The wind shifted! The Park Service, watching the weather radar, said that somehow the storm cell was shifting its course and heading to the North.
The wind shifted! Thus did the Lord show his vengeance on the Maryland heathens! They were probably Catholic anyway!
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:08:43pm |
re: #94 dragonath
Who the **** is Michael J. Smith, and why is George W. Bush repenting for his own crappy presidency? Oh this is so delightfully crazy.
This guy...
Official site of Contemporary Christian Singer / Songwriter / Worship Leader Michael W. Smith featuring his new album GLORY, get it now for only $9.95.
[Link: www.michaelwsmith.com...]
Wiki...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:10:44pm |
re: #100 watching you tiny alien kittens are
This guy...
Wiki...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Pity he didn't have the balls to rename himself Valentine Michael Smith before starting his career in religious shilling... ;)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:10:51pm |
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SidewaysQuark Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:13:12pm |
Obama broke the mold by officially endorsing gay marriage. He's got his second term - would be nice to hear him make an equivalent statement regarding the war on drugs and let him go down in history as a truly revolutionary President.
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:14:39pm |
re: #100 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Huh, reminds me of the time I realized all the new songs the youth leaders at the church brought us to sing were from some Australian pentecostal megachurch.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:16:28pm |
re: #103 SidewaysQuark
Obama broke the mold by officially endorsing gay marriage. He's got his second term - would be nice to hear him make an equivalent statement regarding the war on drugs and let him go down in history as a truly revolutionary President.
IF he does, it'll be in 2015 when he does. Too much to lose in those midterms to give the wingnuts another thing to rally around.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:18:15pm |
re: #104 dragonath
Well the wiki says that he is a close personal friend of Bush so I guess if anyone could get Bush to attend it might be him...
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dragonath Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:24:05pm |
re: #106 watching you tiny alien kittens are
According to wiki, he co wrote a song with Katherine Harris's in-law, that would appear to suggest that he's pretty well ingratiated into the religious right.
And he wrote a song about the supposed martyr in the Columbine shootings. When I was still in the church, that story was passed around a lot.
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SidewaysQuark Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:28:30pm |
re: #105 William Barnett-Lewis
IF he does, it'll be in 2015 when he does. Too much to lose in those midterms to give the wingnuts another thing to rally around.
re: #105 William Barnett-Lewis
IF he does, it'll be in 2015 when he does. Too much to lose in those midterms to give the wingnuts another thing to rally around.
I hate to say it, but I think there's a strong racial issue involved in the dems opposing the war on drugs. Right now the democrats dominate even the most socially conservative portions of the minority population, but it's a very thin tightrope they walk, and there just aren't enough libertarians on the other side to recoup the potential losses in their eyes. Not sure that's how it would really play out, but I think that's the politics of it.
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gwangung Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:33:57pm |
re: #108 SidewaysQuark
re: #105 William Barnett-Lewis
I hate to say it, but I think there's a strong racial issue involved in the dems opposing the war on drugs. Right now the democrats dominate even the most socially conservative portions of the minority population, but it's a very thin tightrope they walk, and there just aren't enough libertarians on the other side to recoup the potential losses in their eyes. Not sure that's how it would really play out, but I think that's the politics of it.
As in what Coates was talking about in several of his columns? That there is considerable support for the war on drugs within poor minority communities, because drugs represent lawlessness and gangs, which hurts their community?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:44:05pm |
re: #107 dragonath
According to wiki, he co wrote a song with Katherine Harris's in-law, that would appear to suggest that he's pretty well ingratiated into the religious right.
And he wrote a song about the supposed martyr in the Columbine shootings. When I was still in the church, that story was passed around a lot.
Well, she was asked by Eric Harris if she believed in God and shot when she replied "yes". But Harris was a psychopath and likely would have shot her no matter what she said. She still set an example to admire of faith and resolve in the face of death.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:58:03pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
Well, she was asked by Eric Harris if she believed in God and shot when she replied "yes". But Harris was a psychopath and likely would have shot her no matter what she said. She still set an example to admire of faith and resolve in the face of death.
Not exactly true, but it did make an inspirational story at the time for many of the kids.
The News says that Cassie was crouched under a table when she was shot and that another student, 16 year old Emily Wyant, was next to her. Emily survived the ordeal and says she never heard Cassie asked about belief in God. She says Cassie was praying and saying, "Dear God. Dear God. Why is this happening? I just want to go home." In the article, Emily says she does wonder if Cassie was singled out because of the fact that she was praying. Klebold reportedly looked under the table at the girls, said, "Peekaboo," then shot Cassie.
...According to the article, Scott was later able to point to where the gunman was at that time that he heard the exchange, but that he indicated a table where a different student, Valeen Schnurr, had been hiding. Schnurr's mother says Valeen was lying wounded on the library floor and was praying when one of the gunmen approached her and asked if she believed in God. The News article says she replied by saying, "Yes, I believe in God." The gunman did nothing more and Valeen survived. The Salon article says Valeen was saying, "Oh, my God, oh, my God, don't let me die," when one of the gunmen asked her if she believed in God. She said "yes" and was then asked why. She said, "Because I believe and my parents brought me up that way." Salon says that in the end, the investigators concluded that Valeen's was the only encounter in the library where anyone was asked about God. None of those who thought the question had been asked of Cassie actually witnessed it, they only heard it and, it is suggested, heard Valeen's voice, not Cassie's.[Link: www.truthorfiction.com...]
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Mich-again Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:15:38pm |
It is one thing to ponder whether we believe in God, another whether God believes in us.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:21:21pm |
re: #111 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Not exactly true, but it did make an inspirational story at the time for many of the kids.
I see. My post was in error, then. Still a horrible event and once can understand the need to find inspirational figures in it. Such societal urges can be seen at least as far back as ancient Greece, where Socrates and Alcibiates both escaped the stench of the Athenian defeat at Delium because they and their contingent they were part of had retreated from battle at a walk and had come home with their shields and weapons (in observance of the maxim "with your shield or on it").
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Kragar Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:40:24pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:42:30pm |
re: #116 Kragar
No.
Still listening to the Big Rich. Seems there is a lot of strings that lead back to Texas in today's America. Some good, some bad. William F. Buckley was from Texas?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:44:09pm |
re: #117 Holidays are Family Fun Time
Still listening to the Big Rich. Seems there is a lot of strings that lead back to Texas in today's America. Some good, some bad. William F. Buckley was from Texas?
No, he was from Connecticut.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:44:30pm |
Wingnuts fall for a military parody site, now circulating email claiming that "Late Absentee Ballots From Military in Afghanistan Would Have Won the Election For Governor Mitt Romney"
The Truth:
This eRumor came from a military satire site called The Duffle Blog and this article was intended to be a joke. Click for article.There is a disclaimer on "About Us" section of this website that said, "The content of this site is parody. No composition should be regarded as truthful, and no reference of an individual, company, or military unit seeks to inflict malice or emotional harm. All characters, groups, and military units appearing in these works are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, or actual military units and companies is purely coincidental."
The email being circulated is just the article from the site word for word, a portion of the email is below...
WASHINGTON, DC – Sources confirmed today that hundreds of thousands of military absentee ballots were delivered hours after the deadline for them to be counted, with preliminary counts showing that they would have overturned the vote in several states and brought a victory for Governor Mitt Romney...
Officials say the ballots were delivered late due to problems within the military mail system. Tracking invoices show the ballots sat in a warehouse for a month, then they were accidentally labeled as ammunition and shipped to Afghanistan...
...After military officials realized the initial error, the ballots were then sent back to the U.S. but suffered a series of setbacks.
Twelve boxes of ballots were dropped overboard during delivery to the USS Kearsarge (LHD-3) in the Persian Gulf...
The remaining absentee ballots were loaded onto a C-130, but the flight was delayed until November 1st so the crew could get tax free pay for the month. Once the ballots arrived stateside they were promptly mailed to each state’s counting facility, reaching their final destination on November 7th...
How anyone could not see that the article was a parody is beyond me. Then again perhaps I owe them some slack, nowadays it is getting difficult to tell wingnut parody sites from actual wingnut sites because they both sound just as insane to me. :(
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:44:53pm |
No wait, his father was a Texas Oil Baron, with big ties to Texas that Buckley took advantage of at the beginning of his career.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:52:26pm |
re: #118 Dark_Falcon
No, he was from Connecticut.
Seems his family was all over when he was young. HIs grandparents stayed in Texas. I have a difficult time believing with his father's connections to Standard Oil and his Legal Practice, that the Buckley children were not strangers in Texas society.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:54:46pm |
re: #121 Holidays are Family Fun Time
Seems his family was all over when he was young. HIs grandparents stayed in Texas. I have a difficult time believing with his father's connections to Standard Oil and his Legal Practice, that the Buckley children were not strangers in Texas society.
I can't speak to that. What I can say is that while he held Texas is decent regard, William F. Buckley's manner was that of a Connecticut Yankee. Whatever he might say about the South, he was firmly a man of the North.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:58:27pm |
re: #119 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Oh holy shit, read the comments at that fake article, the wingnuts really did fall for it big time. There are HUNDREDS of outraged comments about the military being denied their votes.
147k facebook likes and almost 5000 tweets
[Link: www.duffelblog.com...]
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sun, Dec 9, 2012 11:00:08pm |
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
I can't speak to that. What I can say is that while he held Texas is decent regard, William F. Buckley's manner was that of a Connecticut Yankee. Whatever he might say about the South, he was firmly a man of the North.
My point being that there are many ties to Texas and Texas oil money of which I was unaware.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Dec 9, 2012 11:42:18pm |
Oww, the "logic" in this post makes my head hurt...
Actually, the best proof of the Bible is that without its truths you couldn't prove anything! People who want to disprove the Bible actually have to borrow from its worldview to attempt to do so and hence have already lost the argument before they even begin.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Dec 9, 2012 11:57:35pm |
re: #119 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Wingnuts fall for a military parody site, now circulating email claiming that "Late Absentee Ballots From Military in Afghanistan Would Have Won the Election For Governor Mitt Romney"
The email being circulated is just the article from the site word for word, a portion of the email is below...
How anyone could not see that the article was a parody is beyond me. Then again perhaps I owe them some slack, nowadays it is getting difficult to tell wingnut parody sites from actual wingnut sites because they both sound just as insane to me. :(
Next they will be citing the "South Park" episode in which Cartman is responsible for stealing all those swing state votes...
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Dec 10, 2012 12:00:36am |
Which is all very fascinating but it doesn't really answer the claim, you claimed that science does not solve problems. You have yet to offer any proof that that's the case, while I've got the mother of all proof in the form of vaccines. Science does solve problems...have you ever seen someone with smallpox? There's a reason why you haven't!
Taken as whole behavioral change will do more good than science. Simple cleanliness would prevent the spread of many diseases. While there is a 'scientific' element to cleanliness it really falls in the behavioral catagory.
Sigh...head-desk. :(
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Dec 10, 2012 12:48:27am |
This guy is almost as crazy as the "TimeCube" lunatic, what's scary is that he is posting these long screeds of insanity at Amazon: Customer Discussions
Neutrinos aren't the fas†es† thing(58) in The Conglomerate, †hough† can be superluminal and defy strict linear †ime. Dark energy(74), gamma rays, quasars, antimatter, negative energy, helium 3, etc. aren't the most energetic things, God/Fod's †hough† is.
Y h w/ h(64)? thought = h2c² new thought = t²h2up G7od4/F6od4 = †he(33) 1 Mind(40) = universal quantum computer = 12t hi ui pi
(universes [u], infinite , hydrogen [h], speed of light [c], time [t], pain & pleasure [p])E=mc² Conglomeratal Energy(74) eternal = light² × mass of infinite universes CEe=God=2 Christmases God=CEe=mass × infinite Christs CEe = 5mass ×/+ 8time = 40/13masstime God=40/13mt
Conglomeratal Energies eternal = infinite universes × 10 senses × 6 mass × 9 time godse = 6m ui 10s 9t
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researchok Mon, Dec 10, 2012 1:05:36am |
re: #130 freetoken
I must admit I was non committal at the beginning of the piece.
That changed- great example of the genre.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Dec 10, 2012 1:53:26am |
Say wha?
The war on Christmas is very, very real, and if you ask me, in addition to some grouchy misanthropic heathen atheists it has to do - at the root of it - with two things - abortion and the gay rights agenda, because Christianity is against those things. It's subtle but that's why it's so pronounced in recent years.
OK, but how do abortion and gay rights actually, you know, relate to the war on Christmas? Also how can something be both subtle and pronounced at the same time, aren't those words antonyms of each other?
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 2:01:34am |
re: #132 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Say wha?
OK, but how do abortion and gay rights actually, you know, relate to the war on Christmas? Also how can something be both subtle and pronounced at the same time, aren't those words antonyms of each other?
Abortion and gay rights are an abdomination unto the Lord. Just like anyone who does not embrace the True Spirit of Christmas.
They are subtle in in that they are part of an insiduous hidden agenda to demolish American family values, pronounced in that they are deleterious to our Christian American culture and heritage.
Get with the talking points, willya?
/
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 10, 2012 2:35:05am |
re: #132 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Say wha?
OK, but how do abortion and gay rights actually, you know, relate to the war on Christmas?
Most of my gay friends are sickeningly Christmas-y.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Dec 10, 2012 2:39:47am |
They are still whining and crying those sweet tasting wingnut tears...
On November 06, 2012, The United States of America passed away with an almost silent whimper. She was 236 years old. The grand old lady died of neglect, stupidity, arrogance and pure abuse at the hands of both her leaders and its ignorant populace. She will be survived by the Socialist Democratic Republic of Obamerica or SDRO.Also killed in this same massive, catastrophic, progressive wreck were personal freedoms, American values, exceptionalism, The Constitution, economic growth, conservatism, fiscal sanity, American unity, free markets, life's sanctity, marriage between man and woman, Republicanism, free will, self-reliance and many more so mutilated as to be unrecognizable any longer. July 4, 1776 - Born
November 6, 2012 - Committed Suicide
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 2:46:41am |
Marriage between man and woman has been killed? I see now onlY GAY MARRIAGE is allowed, soon it will be mandatory.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Dec 10, 2012 2:53:09am |
No matter how many times you try to explain it to them they simply choose to pretend that they can't understand two simple words...
You normally DO have trouble following logic that fails to coincide with your convoluted view of the world. Someday, when you finish grad school, maybe you can move to REALVILLE where reality matters and not what some silver ponytail prof. feeds you.
Your biggest "trouble" is understanding ANTONIUS' religious faith and his core beliefs. Atheists rarely understand, you are no exception. Homosexual marriage, in REALVILLE will lead to a complege breakdown of our society.
After all, once Homosexual marriage is the law of the land, it won't be long before perverts are dragging a 9-year old down the isle. And, some creep in a dress, will "marry" them. After all, it's their "lifestyle" and their "right." Or how about some dude who wants to "marry" his dog, or his "horse?"
Isn't that a "lifestyle" choice as well? How about you Adam? Do you want to marry a man, dog, or maybe your pet rat? Wouldn't it be your "right?" BLUF: Once homosexual marriage is the law of the land, there is NOTHING to stop the above illustrated situations? Is that what you and your grad school cronies want?
...Informed Consent.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 2:57:11am |
That is the very argument that led Rick Santorum to become a synonym for an brown, liquid substance...
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 3:00:35am |
Their point is simply that they see drug use, prostitution, gay marriage, bestiality, child/spouse abuse, abortion, contraception, progressive taxation, gun control, etc, as abdominations unto the Lord and thus morally equal: to allow one is to allow all the others to spread and undermine our Christian American values, which they see as all that stands between us and an Islamist-secularist Socialist Fascist dictatorship.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Dec 10, 2012 3:05:28am |
The Quebec election night shooter seems to be as nuts as everyone guessed he probably was...
Accused PQ rally shooter to undergo psychiatric evaluation
Yesterday Richard Henry Bain told a Montreal courtroom that he was given a vision by Jesus Christ that involved dealing with what he called the "national separatist problem."...
...His legal-aid laywer, Elfriede Duclervil, told reporters that it has been impossible to prepare a defense for Bain.
When Duclervil asked Bain whether he understands that he is accused of first degree murder, Bain said that he does understand, and that Christian soldiers don't murder.
He told the court that he was given a vision "for the peace and harmony for all Canadians" by his Lord and Savior.
"I am a Christian soldier and we Canadians shall never surrender to fight the evil separatists," he said, adding "God bless you all."...
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 3:11:07am |
re: #141 watching you tiny alien kittens are
The Quebec election night shooter seems to be as nuts as everyone guessed he probably was...
But not as nuts as a lot of the GOP these days...
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Dec 10, 2012 3:24:23am |
Another one of those little known "facts" that you could probably only ever find on the internet...
The rate in which a light flashes on top of an emergency vehicle is the average rate that people are dying and going to hell.
The first part of this one is pretty close actually, people currently die at the rate of about 1.78 deaths per second worldwide. Now as far as how many of them are going to hell I don't think anyone can truly answer that question with any degree of certainty.
/
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Dec 10, 2012 4:06:18am |
Yet another one of those little known "facts" that you could probably only ever find on the internet...
Jesus was not a Jew. He is from the children of Israel (Jacob)
OK? The "Children of Israel" have been known as and have called themselves Jews (after the kingdom of Judah) since the 5th century B.C. and Jesus was of the Tribe of Judah according to the bible. So how was he not a Jew?
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 4:38:32am |
What happened here? I can't see any comments.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 5:57:06am |
Morning Lizardim. Happy Monday from the site of the 2012 Snowpocalypse. I guess the Mayans were about 2 weeks off on their prediction of the end of the world. Nevertheless, I'm still here, I'm still intact, and in fact, I even made it in to work this morning somehow. How are things outside the snowbound north?
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 10, 2012 5:57:45am |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 10, 2012 5:58:24am |
re: #148 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
Morning Lizardim. Happy Monday from the site of the 2012 Snowpocalypse. I guess the Mayans were about 2 weeks off on their prediction of the end of the world. Nevertheless, I'm still here, I'm still intact, and in fact, I even made it in to work this morning somehow. How are things outside the snowbound north?
72 degrees, roses and azaleas blooming.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 5:58:47am |
re: #150 Decatur Deb
72 degrees, roses and azaleas blooming.
10 degrees and the only thing blooming here are the idiots.
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iossarian Mon, Dec 10, 2012 5:59:40am |
re: #150 Decatur Deb
72 degrees, roses and azaleas blooming.
Thanks a lot. 34 degrees and sucky virus here!
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:01:01am |
re: #145 Vicious Babushka
What happened here? I can't see any comments.
I can see your comment. And 151 others.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:01:23am |
re: #152 iossarian
Thanks a lot. 34 degrees and sucky virus here!
Get back to me in August, the Hell Month.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:05:20am |
I had the Arabic comment as two identical comments for a few minutes, though the first had the nic in Roman alphas.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:06:36am |
re: #153 Obdicut
I can see your comment. And 151 others.
I'll get back to you when the fog finally lifts out of the NYC metro area. Visibility sucks, but the weather's definitely gone weird here with temps well above normal and there's a couple of nasty bugs running around... to say nothing of allergies.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:07:32am |
Now Spy shows the same all-Arabic text/nic in stale thread(s).
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:13:34am |
re: #156 lawhawk
I'll get back to you when the fog finally lifts out of the NYC metro area. Visibility sucks, but the weather's definitely gone weird here with temps well above normal and there's a couple of nasty bugs running around... to say nothing of allergies.
Oh right, that reminds me:
My wife has said that the current flu season is a really freaking bad one, with a big spike in admissions over the past two weeks. If anyone out there hasn't gotten your shot, go get it.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:15:24am |
re: #146 شات عرا
اجمل دردشة عراقية رومنسية ترفيهية يظم كافة العراقيين والعرب والاجانب
Google says
"Beautiful romantic chat Iraqi recreational Adject all Iraqis, Arabs and foreigners"
WTFuq?
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:19:58am |
re: #158 Obdicut
My company offers free flu shots, and CVS and Walgreens offer on-demand flu shots. No excuses not to get one.
And the preventative costs are minuscule compared to the costs of getting the flu. We're talking billions of dollars in costs - both from hospitalizations and treatment to lost productivity. Influenza is the 8th leading cause of death in the US, yet the vaccine can reduce your chances of getting it significantly.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:21:11am |
re: #161 lawhawk
My company offers free flu shots, and CVS and Walgreens offer on-demand flu shots. No excuses not to get one.
And the preventative costs are minuscule compared to the costs of getting the flu. We're talking billions of dollars in costs - both from hospitalizations and treatment to lost productivity. Influenza is the 8th leading cause of death in the US, yet the vaccine can reduce your chances of getting it significantly.
There are those who are adamant that the government should not be telling us or our children to get immunized.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:21:31am |
re: #161 lawhawk
My company offers free flu shots, and CVS and Walgreens offer on-demand flu shots. No excuses not to get one.
And the preventative costs are minuscule compared to the costs of getting the flu. We're talking billions of dollars in costs - both from hospitalizations and treatment to lost productivity. Influenza is the 8th leading cause of death in the US, yet the vaccine can reduce your chances of getting it significantly.
But, but, but, Jenny McCarthy! VACCINES ARE TEH DEBIL!!!1!1one
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:23:23am |
re: #163 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
But, but, but, Jenny McCarthy! VACCINES ARE TEH DEBIL!!!1!1one
and that excuse, too. Put them together and you have the GOP consensus on vaccines.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:23:54am |
re: #163 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
DO.NOT.get me started on McCarthy and her ill-informed (and I'm being charitable) nonsense about vaccines or the fact that her kid never had autism in the first place.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:25:18am |
re: #165 lawhawk
DO.NOT.get me started on McCarthy and her ill-informed (and I'm being charitable) nonsense about vaccines or the fact that her kid never had autism in the first place.
I don't want to go there either. My wife's family is strenuously anti-vaxx and I had a hard fight to get even the most basic ones for my son. When she told me she flat-out refused the polio vaccine, I was furious.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:28:04am |
re: #166 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
I don't want to go there either. My wife's family is strenuously anti-vaxx and I had a hard fight to get even the most basic ones for my son. When she told me she flat-out refused the polio vaccine, I was furious.
re: #166 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
I don't want to go there either. My wife's family is strenuously anti-vaxx and I had a hard fight to get even the most basic ones for my son. When she told me she flat-out refused the polio vaccine, I was furious.
Our office receptionist in the mid-70s was a wheelchair-confined polio victim. She was in the post-Salk generation. Her opinion of her parents was the closest thing to pure hatred I've ever heard.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:29:13am |
re: #166 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
McCarthy and other anti-vaxxers aren't just putting their own kids at risk, but everyone else around them. The side effects of vaccines are well known, and autism simply isn't one of them. Polio isn't a scourge it once was because of vaccines; these people simply forget what these diseases once did to entire populations - permanent disfigurements, deaths, hospitalizations, and the vaccinations prevents untold misery.
With a reduced herd immunity, we're seeing a resurgence of diseases like pertussis (whooping cough). It's just flat out nuts.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:29:13am |
re: #159 Sol Berdinowitz
Google says
"Beautiful romantic chat Iraqi recreational Adject all Iraqis, Arabs and foreigners"
WTFuq?
Translation of translation: Giggity Chat.
/
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:32:25am |
re: #127 watching you tiny alien kittens are
Which is all very fascinating but it doesn't really answer the claim, you claimed that science does not solve problems. You have yet to offer any proof that that's the case, while I've got the mother of all proof in the form of vaccines. Science does solve problems...have you ever seen someone with smallpox? There's a reason why you haven't!
Sigh...head-desk. :(
Is your quote wingnut code for "don't ever have sex unless for procreation"?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:32:40am |
re: #168 lawhawk
McCarthy and other anti-vaxxers aren't just putting their own kids at risk, but everyone else around them. The side effects of vaccines are well known, and autism simply isn't one of them. Polio isn't a scourge it once was because of vaccines; these people simply forget what these diseases once did to entire populations - permanent disfigurements, deaths, hospitalizations, and the vaccinations prevents untold misery.
With a reduced herd immunity, we're seeing a resurgence of diseases like pertussis (whooping cough). It's just flat out nuts.
She's more afraid of the polio vaccine because it's a live vaccine. Unfortunately, she doesn't have enough of a science-based education for me to be able to explain adequately why this is not a big deal, and even then, she falls back on her own personal anecdotes that have come to her second- and third-hand and just plain refuses to believe anything I say. It's maddening, it's heartbreaking, but I can't do much about it.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:35:21am |
re: #171 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
That's just wrong. The current polio vaccine isn't a live vaccine; it's inactivated.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:35:38am |
Antivax is not unknown in Germany, if not as prevalent. A lot of parents find it as a way of rationalizing their overprotectiveness without realizing that it is a form of negligence toward their own kids and to others'
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:35:58am |
.re: #171 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
She's more afraid of the polio vaccine because it's a live vaccine. Unfortunately, she doesn't have enough of a science-based education for me to be able to explain adequately why this is not a big deal, and even then, she falls back on her own personal anecdotes that have come to her second- and third-hand and just plain refuses to believe anything I say. It's maddening, it's heartbreaking, but I can't do much about it.
There are still some Iron Lungs around. Leave her in one for a day.
Off to paint the Habitat warehouse floor--BBL
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:36:41am |
re: #158 Obdicut
Oh right, that reminds me:
My wife has said that the current flu season is a really freaking bad one, with a big spike in admissions over the past two weeks. If anyone out there hasn't gotten your shot, go get it.
I got my flu and whooping cough shots in September. I keep getting this little viruses too! It's been awful. I feel like carp today. Achy everywhere and that feverish feeling.
Still, it's better than getting the full-blown flu -- The one time I had that I thought I would die, literally.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:36:41am |
re: #172 lawhawk
That's just wrong. The current polio vaccine isn't a live vaccine; it's inactivated.
*swears under his breath*
I even TOLD her that. Unfortunately, I wasn't assertive enough because I wasn't 100% sure of my facts, but apparently I was right.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:37:23am |
re: #176 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
*swears under his breath*
I even TOLD her that. Unfortunately, I wasn't assertive enough because I wasn't 100% sure of my facts, but apparently I was right.
facts would probably not have done much good in any case...
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:38:10am |
re: #177 Sol Berdinowitz
facts would probably not have done much good in any case...
Alas, too true. I love my wife dearly, but on this specific issue she will not be moved and there is nothing facts, logic, reason, or science can do about it.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:40:16am |
re: #176 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
I'd print out that fact sheet, talk with your doctor, and even ask the doctor if the vaccine ampule states the kind of vaccine (inactivated).
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:40:18am |
re: #171 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
She's more afraid of the polio vaccine because it's a live vaccine. Unfortunately, she doesn't have enough of a science-based education for me to be able to explain adequately why this is not a big deal, and even then, she falls back on her own personal anecdotes that have come to her second- and third-hand and just plain refuses to believe anything I say. It's maddening, it's heartbreaking, but I can't do much about it.
There has to be a good explanatory video or series of videos on youtube you can find to explain the science to her.
Really, anyone who has read history (with or without a science education) should be able to draw the conclusion that vaccinations work. People used to die young and of diseases most of us have never heard of. Milk Poisoning is one of my favorites --very, very common.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:41:16am |
re: #178 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
Alas, too true. I love my wife dearly, but on this specific issue she will not be moved and there is nothing facts, logic, reason, or science can do about it.
Yeah, my marriage would be threatened if my husband had that attitude.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:42:16am |
re: #180 Holidays are Family Fun Time
There has to be a good explanatory video or series of videos on youtube you can find to explain the science to her.
Really, anyone who has read history (with or without a science education) should be able to draw the conclusion that vaccinations work. People used to die young and of diseases most of us have never heard of. Milk Poisoning is one of my favorites --very, very common.
She doesn't question that they work, she's concerned about the side effects. Easily swayed by popular reports - "If so many people are saying it, there must be some truth to it." That sort of thing.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:44:15am |
re: #182 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
She doesn't question that they work, she's concerned about the side effects. Easily swayed by popular reports - "If so many people are saying it, there must be some truth to it." That sort of thing.
Like the people who put Jews in wells during the Plague? Everyone say's it's Their fault, so it must be true?
You have much patience.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:46:49am |
re: #182 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
"If so many people are saying it, there must be some truth to it."
"If it seems to confirm my preconceived notions, then I am more receptive to it"
That's just how our braimz work...
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:46:54am |
re: #183 Holidays are Family Fun Time
Like the people who put Jews in wells during the Plague? Everyone say's it's Their fault, so it must be true?
You have much patience.
It's the same sort of attitude I grew up around. My family is in a similar vein, except with my dad being an engineer there's at least some recognition of science. For example, I had all my vaccines. But they're still susceptible to groupthink of a sort; comes from the religious culture both of our families live in.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:48:01am |
And on that note, I had best pop off and do some actual productive work, after going to the effort of hauling myself over what passes for freeways in post-apocalyptic Minnesnowta. Catch you all later.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:52:10am |
While at the Public Health office getting vaccinations for my son before he went on a mission trip to South American, the nurse said that many of the mission trip kinda parents refuse any but the vaccinations required by the host country if there are any.
I about fell off my chair. I had to pay cash and I think it was voer $200. I asked her what else is there I can vaccinate him for --load 'em up.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:54:38am |
I'm having an issue with LGF. When I'm not logged in I can see the comments but when I log in all the comments disappear!
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:14:11am |
re: #188 Vicious Babushka
I'm having an issue with LGF. When I'm not logged in I can see the comments but when I log in all the comments disappear!
gremlins?
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:15:08am |
I dunno, it's just weird. I never had any problems using Chrome before.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:17:23am |
Came home last night at 5:30PM. Took us an hour to get through customs (we got a treat from Homeland Security, they dumped out and examined EVERYTHING in our carryon bags. Just to make sure we weren't smuggling some stuff we might have obtained in Amsterdam, which we totally didn't.
Anyway back at work today. I should really be doing a bunch of actual work now.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:28:44am |
re: #192 Vicious Babushka
Came home last night at 5:30PM. Took us an hour to get through customs (we got a treat from Homeland Security, they dumped out and examined EVERYTHING in our carryon bags. Just to make sure we weren't smuggling some stuff we might have obtained in Amsterdam, which we totally didn't.
Anyway back at work today. I should really be doing a bunch of actual work now.
Ah, the hamsters in your compter are a big jet lagged. Travelling is hard on the little critters. Give them a rest and they'll be back to normal in no time.
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kirkspencer Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:29:14am |
re: #184 Sol Berdinowitz
"If it seems to confirm my preconceived notions, then I am more receptive to it"
That's just how our braimz work...
Well, yes. It's called confirmation bias.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:30:46am |
re: #193 Holidays are Family Fun Time
Ah, the hamsters in your compter are a big jet lagged. Travelling is hard on the little critters. Give them a rest and they'll be back to normal in no time.
I'm using my work computer!
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:33:58am |
re: #195 Vicious Babushka
I'm using my work computer!
Well then, the hamsters in your work computer are miffed you left them for vacation. Rub their backs and coo a little. It should make them feel better and they'll happy hamsters again.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:37:25am |
EDUCATION REFRESH:
Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs.
&
Selective thinking is the process whereby one selects out favorable evidence for remembrance and focus, while ignoring unfavorable evidence for a belief. This kind of thinking is the basis for most beliefs in the psychic powers of so-called mind readers and mediums. It is also the basis for many, if not most, occult and pseudoscientific beliefs.
It should be noted that selective thinking works independently of wishful thinking and should not be confused with biased thinking, whereby one seriously considers data contrary to one's belief, but one is much more critical of such data than one is of supportive data.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:47:25am |
re: #197 Holidays are Family Fun Time
I am sure it is deeply rooted in our savannah brain that whenever the enough of the pack was shouting alarm, there must be an alarm somewhere...
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:49:10am |
Hamsters in the computer, although a well known fact, could be considered a false attribution to the heathen notion of applied science. Those who work closely with the critters often comment on their strange sense of purpose. There seems to be an inverse relationship between perceived causes of their level of activity and the general sense of mirth associated with the use of the computer.
This is known as the Sarcasm Inverse Parallel.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:49:31am |
re: #192 Vicious Babushka
Came home last night at 5:30PM. Took us an hour to get through customs (we got a treat from Homeland Security, they dumped out and examined EVERYTHING in our carryon bags. Just to make sure we weren't smuggling some stuff we might have obtained in Amsterdam, which we totally didn't.
Anyway back at work today. I should really be doing a bunch of actual work now.
You should have an infant with you who pukes all over you just as you're dragging your bags up to the counter. Mr. Customs dude might just hold his nose and wave you through. It can work... Messy, trust me, but it can work... ;)
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:50:21am |
re: #200 William Barnett-Lewis
You should have an infant with you how pukes all over you just as you're dragging your bags up to the counter. Mr. Customs dude might just hold his nose and wave you through. It can work... Messy, trust me, but it can work... ;)
How do you get the infant to comply with your timing needs?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:51:53am |
I'm taking meds and going back to bed.
I still feel like carp. Have you ever felt carp?
ewwwww!
Have a great morning all!
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:52:58am |
re: #201 Holidays are Family Fun Time
How do you get the infant to comply with your timing needs?
I had more trouble keeping it in them than out...
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:53:50am |
re: #202 Holidays are Family Fun Time
I'm taking meds and going back to bed.
I still feel like carp.
So sorry to hear you are under the water.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:59:06am |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:01:48am |
Since this has been making the rounds....
Claim: A four-year study has found that Fox News viewers have IQs 20 points lower than average.
PROBABLY FALSE
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:03:23am |
re: #172 lawhawk
That's just wrong. The current polio vaccine isn't a live vaccine; it's inactivated.
On some issues facts are just not enough. Once some people get the idea they are under threat into their heads, it cannot be excised save by the 'neutralization' of that threat.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:05:56am |
re: #206 Killgore Trout
Since this has been making the rounds....
Claim: A four-year study has found that Fox News viewers have IQs 20 points lower than average.
Wow, this like totally corresponds to my preconceived notions about FOX viewers, so I'm receptive to it!
CHEETAH!!!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:11:58am |
Gunmen kill senior women’s activist in Afghanistan
Seddiqi was head of the Women Affairs Department for Laghman province. Her predecessor in that post was killed four months ago, when explosives hidden in her car were detonated.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:13:44am |
re: #208 Sol Berdinowitz
Wow, this like totally corresponds to my preconceived notions about FOX viewers, so I'm receptive to it!
CHEETAH!!!
I done a science study with test tubes and calculators. I diagnose you with confirmation bias!
/Soon to be published
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darthstar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:14:00am |
re: #206 Killgore Trout
Since this has been making the rounds....
Claim: A four-year study has found that Fox News viewers have IQs 20 points lower than average.
That probably hits a little close to home. Here, look at these colorful shapes...you'll feel better.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:15:57am |
Mornin' everyone...is it lazy today or is it just me? Anyway, time to take the dogs to the beach then get started on cleaning out the garage.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:17:38am |
re: #213 Dark_Falcon
Don't be a dick.
Sorry...didn't mean to leave you out. Here are some of your own.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:18:37am |
re: #205 Killgore Trout
Kinda unfair to pin blame on Clinton for the fiscal cliff when he and Congress managed to figure out a budget that was able to produce surpluses for a couple of fiscal years - a combination of higher taxes and a booming economy can do that.
BTW, the handwringing about the fiscal cliff is in part the realization that austerity is great when other countries are forced to do it (eg Greece), but not so much when you're the one who's put in place policy choices that result in austerity because Congressional leaders wont make tough decisions and lead.
After all, the fiscal "cliff" is the result of expiring tax cuts (a deal enacted by Congress and successive presidents to allow tax cuts to return to their pre-2001 rates) and budget cuts that would automatically take effect if Congress couldn't come up with a deal to cut spending. Now, these same parties are complaining about the cliff?
Everyone needs to be reminded that this is what Congress enacted. This is what the President signed off on - especially vis a vis taxes. And now you've got GOPers concerned about spending? Or how cuts in defense spending will harm jobs? There's plenty of jobs harmed when you cut spending in non-defense areas too - and there's plenty of work to be had when you spend on infrastructure.
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:23:33am |
Justice Scalia saw gay marriage coming long ago tinyurl.com/boz2gh5— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) December 10, 2012
Pig.
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Interesting Times Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:28:48am |
re: #216 Gus
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Pig.
Primitive bigot who's of no use to the modern world, let alone the Supreme Court.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:29:52am |
re: #215 lawhawk
Back when there was a surplus I remember Rush complaining that it just meant that government was taking more of people's money than it needed to operate, and that was immoral...
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:30:22am |
LAWRENCE V. TEXAS (02-102) 539 U.S. 558 (2003)
41 S. W. 3d 349, reversed and remanded.
Scalia, J., dissenting
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
No. 02—102
JOHN GEDDES LAWRENCE and TYRON GARNER,
PETITIONERS v. TEXAS
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF APPEALS OF
TEXAS, FOURTEENTH DISTRICT
[June 26, 2003]
... Justice Scalia, with whom The Chief Justice and Justice Thomas join, dissenting...
... Today’s opinion is the product of a Court, which is the product of a law-profession culture, that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda, by which I mean the agenda promoted by some homosexual activists directed at eliminating the moral opprobrium that has traditionally attached to homosexual conduct. I noted in an earlier opinion the fact that the American Association of Law Schools (to which any reputable law school must seek to belong) excludes from membership any school that refuses to ban from its job-interview facilities a law firm (no matter how small) that does not wish to hire as a prospective partner a person who openly engages in homosexual conduct. See Romer, supra, at 653...
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:31:45am |
re: #219 Gus
LAWRENCE V. TEXAS (02-102) 539 U.S. 558 (2003)
41 S. W. 3d 349, reversed and remanded.Scalia, J., dissenting
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
No. 02—102
JOHN GEDDES LAWRENCE and TYRON GARNER,
PETITIONERS v. TEXAS
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF APPEALS OF
TEXAS, FOURTEENTH DISTRICT
[June 26, 2003]
...
... Let me be clear that I have nothing against homosexuals, or any other group, promoting their agenda through normal democratic means. Social perceptions of sexual and other morality change over time, and every group has the right to persuade its fellow citizens that its view of such matters is the best. That homosexuals have achieved some success in that enterprise is attested to by the fact that Texas is one of the few remaining States that criminalize private, consensual homosexual acts. But persuading one’s fellow citizens is one thing, and imposing one’s views in absence of democratic majority will is something else. I would no more require a State to criminalize homosexual acts–or, for that matter, display any moral disapprobation of them–than I would forbid it to do so. What Texas has chosen to do is well within the range of traditional democratic action, and its hand should not be stayed through the invention of a brand-new “constitutional right” by a Court that is impatient of democratic change. It is indeed true that “later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress,” ante, at 18; and when that happens, later generations can repeal those laws. But it is the premise of our system that those judgments are to be made by the people, and not imposed by a governing caste that knows best...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:33:12am |
re: #215 lawhawk
There's plenty of blame to go around. Not mentioned in the Clinton blurb is the repeal of glass steagal act which Clinton repealed and had a very direct role in the financial crisis.
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:34:40am |
re: #217 Interesting Times
Primitive bigot who's of no use to the modern world, let alone the Supreme Court.
Preceded by another caveman.
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kirkspencer Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:37:06am |
re: #220 Gus
...
In short, let them be separate but equal. [sigh]
The state has one sole interest in marriage -- that it creates a network of what up to then were isolated individuals. This network with its associated defacto powers of attorney and rights of survivorship strengthens a community through the removal of confusion and conflict when those powers and rights are necessary.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:37:33am |
re: #221 Killgore Trout
There's plenty of blame to go around. Not mentioned in the Clinton blurb is the repeal of glass steagal act which Clinton repealed and had a very direct role in the financial crisis.
I am surprised the article did not mention that...you cannot talk about the housing bubble without mentioning the repeal of GS
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:38:54am |
re: #224 Sol Berdinowitz
I am surprised the article did not mention that...you cannot talk about the housing bubble without mentioning the repeal of GS
I think the writer didn't or was told not to "get stuck in the weeds" explaining the causes of the housing bubble.
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calochortus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:39:39am |
re: #216 Gus
Interesting. Will Scalia feel bound by the court's earlier decision or will he stick to his dissenting opinion? (Let me guess.)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:43:54am |
re: #226 calochortus
Interesting. Will Scalia feel bound by the court's earlier decision or will he stick to his dissenting opinion? (Let me guess.)
You might be surprised, given that Scalia is also a believer in the principal of "stare dacis" ('let it stand' in Latin), meaning that the courts shouldn't overturn past decisions that have become settled law unless the previous decision was seriously in error (and yes, he's made clear that Plessy vs. Ferguson was such a gravely erroneous decision).
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:50:34am |
re: #215 lawhawk
Gramm-Leach-Bliley went to Clinton's desk with a veto proof vote in both the House and Senate. Clinton could have vetoed it and there are no indications that he intended to veto any bill if it included any "legislation that would scale back minority-lending requirements." Otherwise that's one messy webpage and clumsy slide show.
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calochortus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:53:46am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
I am actually aware of that. The problem is that he (like most other people) has a specific set of biases (meant in a non-perjorative sense) that have made him view some precedents as more valid than others. He has not actually always respected precedent in cases far less clear cut than Plessy v. Ferguson.
The part that is interesting to me is whether with his explicit acknowledgement that the 2003 decision opened the way for same sex marriage, will he suddenly discover that he was wrong and it doesn't really do that?
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:56:18am |
Inspired by Malala, We Must Make School Accessible to the World's Children sp.lc/TMdES2— Teaching Tolerance (@Tolerance_org) December 10, 2012
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:57:30am |
Atheists around world suffer persecution, discrimination: report - by Robert Evans - Reuters bit.ly/VM1PRD— RDFRS(US) (@rdfrs) December 10, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:57:38am |
re: #229 calochortus
I am actually aware of that. The problem is that he (like most other people) has a specific set of biases (meant in a non-perjorative sense) that have made him view some precedents as more valid than others. He has not actually always respected precedent in cases far less clear cut than Plessy v. Fergueson.
The part that is interesting to me is whether with his explicit acknowledgement that the 2003 decision opened the way for same sex marriage, will he suddenly discover that he was wrong and it doesn't really do that?
I'm going to say "probably not". Antonin Scalia is not a man afraid to face the consequences of his own logic. But we need to wait for oral arguments, which should tell us much more (Scalia is almost always one of the most active justices when a case is argued before the Supreme Court).
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:59:30am |
re: #230 Gus
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Is tolerance.org ready for what that means? Because in Nigeria, to give one example, making school accessible means pounding Islamist terror group Boko Haram into dust.
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calochortus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:02:05am |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
I'm going to say "probably not". Antonin Scalia is not a man afraid to face the consequences of his own logic. But we need to wait for oral arguments, which should tell us much more (Scalia is almost always one of the most active justices when a case is argued before the Supreme Court).
We'll find out. As I recall, however, whenever he thinks something is "wrong" such as Roe v. Wade, he doesn't view it as a binding precedent. In other words, his moral sensibilities appear to override precedent. Other people's moral sensibilities, not so much. It disturbs me that he doesn't appear to see a conflict beween that and being an 'originalist'.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:14:27am |
re: #188 Vicious Babushka
I'm having an issue with LGF. When I'm not logged in I can see the comments but when I log in all the comments disappear!
I've got the same problem. But it's not Chrome-related; I'm using Firefox 15.0.1. Spy mode is fine, but in normal mode the comments disappear as soon as I log in.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:15:26am |
Why shouldn't we sing both 'Maoz Tzur' and 'Jingle Bells Rock'? jd.fo/fAH— Jewish Daily Forward (@jdforward) December 10, 2012
Because BOTH SONGS SUCK that's why!
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:17:08am |
"Maoz Tsur" sounds like Red Chinese rap
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calochortus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:19:17am |
Must get started on the day's to-do list.
BBL
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:19:26am |
re: #237 Sol Berdinowitz
"Maoz Tsur" sounds like Red Chinese rap
"Maoz Tsur" ("Rock of Ages" in Hebrew) might work as a rap song.
I have never heard a version of "Jingle Bells" that did not suck. The worst, the WORST is when it is sung "jazz style." I want to run screaming out of the mall every time they play that.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:21:53am |
re: #239 Vicious Babushka
"Maoz Tsur" ("Rock of Ages" in Hebrew) might work as a rap song.
I have never heard a version of "Jingle Bells" that did not suck. The worst, the WORST is when it is sung "jazz style." I want to run screaming out of the mall every time they play that.
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:48:45am |
re: #239 Vicious Babushka
"Maoz Tsur" ("Rock of Ages" in Hebrew) might work as a rap song.
I have never heard a version of "Jingle Bells" that did not suck. The worst, the WORST is when it is sung "jazz style." I want to run screaming out of the mall every time they play that.
YUO NO LIKE HALL AND OATES????
;-p
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:53:33am |
Obama 'Holiday' Cards Cause Stir
Some U.S. Republican Christians who received Christmas cards from the White House this month are grumbling that something was missing, Christmas.
As in every December since President Barack Obama took office, he sent out cards with a generic message, wishing 1.4 million supporters a happy "holiday season."
Obama "claims to be a Christian. But he sure doesn't act like one," Joseph Farah, editor of the conservative Web site WorldNetDaily.com, told The Washington Post. "I threw out my White House card as soon as I got it."
Other conservatives on the Obamas' list accused the first couple of giving in to a national push for more secular celebrations.
The cover of the cards, which were paid for by the Republican National Committee, show the presidential pet, Bo, playing in the snow on the White House lawn.
A spokeswoman for Michelle Obama said while the first couple celebrates Christmas themselves, they wanted an inclusive greeting to be respectful of other traditions.
...
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:54:27am |
re: #242 Gus
Nobody tell Fox Nation about the 2005 Bush Christmas card. twitter.com/BrettLoGiurato... twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew...— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) December 10, 2012
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:54:55am |
re: #242 Gus
Reagan 1984 "Holiday" card highlights paws prints in the snow, not Christmas. twitter.com/BrettLoGiurato... twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew...— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) December 10, 2012
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:55:08am |
re: #242 Gus
Oh, FFS...
Wingnuts like Farah are why we can't have nice things.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:55:55am |
re: #242 Gus
Nobody tell Fox Nation about the 2005 Bush Christmas card. twitter.com/BrettLoGiurato... twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew...— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) December 10, 2012
Reagan 1984 "Holiday" card highlights paws prints in the snow, not Christmas. twitter.com/BrettLoGiurato... twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew...— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) December 10, 2012
The rest of the story? Obama hatred is all encompassing and ignores that other presidents have chosen tree-less holiday cards. It does not indicate that they are anti-Christmas, let alone anti-Christian.
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:57:11am |
re: #246 lawhawk
[Embedded content]
The rest of the story? Obama hatred is all encompassing and ignores that other presidents have chosen tree-less holiday cards. It does not indicate that they are anti-Christmas, let alone anti-Christian.
I re-worked the Bush story and replaced it with Obama. :D I see they're freaking out though with the latest Holiday!!11ty card.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Dec 10, 2012 9:57:23am |
re: #246 lawhawk
[Embedded content]
The rest of the story? Obama hatred is all encompassing and ignores that other presidents have chosen tree-less holiday cards. It does not indicate that they are anti-Christmas, let alone anti-Christian.
I can't see the American flag on the WH in the Obama photo. Ergo, he hates America too!//
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jaunte Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:00:10am |
re: #206 Killgore Trout
Since this has been making the rounds....
Claim: A four-year study has found that Fox News viewers have IQs 20 points lower than average.
Not proven.
Also in the mix:
A June Gallup poll found that 46 percent of Americans believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago.
[Link: www.gallup.com...]
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Kaessa Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:00:29am |
Having a problem with pop-ups (just on this site). I keep adblock turned off here and I have been getting a TON of pop-up/pop-under windows. My Firefox notifications currently says it has blocked 81 pop-up windows since I've been on this page.
Any suggestions? (Yes, I've virus scanned, and this is the only site it happens on).
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:00:50am |
re: #242 Gus
Someone bring me some pearls so that I may clutch them.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:02:14am |
re: #250 Kaessa
Having a problem with pop-ups (just on this site). I keep adblock turned off here and I have been getting a TON of pop-up/pop-under windows. My Firefox notifications currently says it has blocked 81 pop-up windows since I've been on this page.
Any suggestions? (Yes, I've virus scanned, and this is the only site it happens on).
Might try cleaning out your cookies folder (or just the LGF cookie if you're savvy enough) and see if that helps.
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:02:20am |
re: #251 Varek Raith
Someone bring me some pearls so that I may clutch them.
I took the Bush 2009 story and converted it into an Obama story. :D Wingnuts are crazy people.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:02:54am |
re: #251 Varek Raith
Someone bring me some pearls so that I may clutch them.
Varek, the last time someone handed you a string a pearls you had them gifted to a female Jedi then used them to Force Choke her. No way I'd help you like that again.
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jaunte Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:03:39am |
re: #252 Dark_Falcon
I don't know if you caught this, but it was pretty funny:
...The cashier at the check out stand sensed LeClerc's joy and, seeing the candles, attempted to lift his ethnic holiday spirits by greeting the happy Frenchman with a hearty "Happy Hanukkah."....
A Hebrew Defeat in the War on Christmas
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:03:46am |
re: #250 Kaessa
Having a problem with pop-ups (just on this site). I keep adblock turned off here and I have been getting a TON of pop-up/pop-under windows. My Firefox notifications currently says it has blocked 81 pop-up windows since I've been on this page.
Any suggestions? (Yes, I've virus scanned, and this is the only site it happens on).
Turn Adblock on, or, get a subscription.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:04:08am |
re: #225 Dark_Falcon
It's fair to point out many if not all of the deregulation moves were spurred by a desire to soften or end or shorten a recession. Over the cliff, an inch at a time. Each recession another step in the wrong direction.
The accounting house scandal was a clarion bell alarm. We did have fair warning. Everyone dropped the ball.
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:05:05am |
re: #251 Varek Raith
Someone bring me some pearls so that I may clutch them.
Better than getting a "pearl necklace"...
/NSFW
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EmmaAnne Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:08:37am |
re: #234 calochortus
We'll find out. As I recall, however, whenever he thinks something is "wrong" such as Roe v. Wade, he doesn't view it as a binding precedent.
All justices - all judges - favor stare decisis. It is the basis of our legal system, and just means that previous cases determine the interpretation of laws until the statute or another case comes along and changes it.
Scalia is certainly not more respectful of stare decisis than the other justices, or he would not have voted for Bush v. Gore. That was brand new law designed for the occasion and never to be used again.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:09:55am |
FWIW, we already have a national Christmas tree - the General Grant in Sequoia National Park (2d/3d largest tree in the world by volume).
And if you ever get out to that park, you'll be amazed by the size of the big trees. Heck, the pine tree that I had to take down last year wouldn't even be a sapling there, or a branch of some of the smaller trees.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:11:04am |
Fun Christmas Fact: The Christian Bible forbids decorating trees from the forest. Jerimiah 10:1-25 twitter.com/BestLeftSaidOp...— Better Left Said (@BestLeftSaidOps) December 10, 2012
Last time I checked, Jeremiah was part of the Tanakh, not the New Testament.
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Kaessa Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:14:34am |
re: #253 Ghost of Tom Joad
Might try cleaning out your cookies folder (or just the LGF cookie if you're savvy enough) and see if that helps.
Good idea, I'll give that a try. Thanks!
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:19:40am |
re: #261 lawhawk
FWIW, we already have a national Christmas tree - the General Grant in Sequoia National Park (2d/3d largest tree in the world by volume).
And if you ever get out to that park, you'll be amazed by the size of the big trees. Heck, the pine tree that I had to take down last year wouldn't even be a sapling there, or a branch of some of the smaller trees.
Big one. Thank goodness they were so hard to chop down that many of them survived. Largest in mass. The tallest redwood is Hyperion at 379 feet. Tallest tree in the world.
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Kragar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:21:32am |
Washington Times Gives Platform to White Nationalist to Warn Against Puerto Rico Statehood
The commonwealth is predominantly Spanish-speaking. If or when the issue of Puerto Rican statehood goes before Congress in 2013, these task force recommendations need to be considered so Puerto Ricans realize there would be strict English requirements as a condition for admission to statehood. At a minimum, a large majority of Puerto Ricans — who are U.S. citizens — must become fluent in English for statehood to even be considered.
…
With Puerto Rico’s legislature next year changing over to one that favors the status quo, there will be a new dynamic. It will be up to Puerto Rico’s representative in Congress to offer some sort of statehood legislation, and then the debate could get messy. The spotlight would no doubt shine on how expensive it would be to U.S. taxpayers to admit an economically depressed state to the union.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:27:39am |
re: #265 Kragar
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The 2000 U.S. Census reported that 71.9% of Puerto Rico residents spoke English less than "very well"
Nuculur!
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Kragar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:28:38am |
re: #266 Varek Raith
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The 2000 U.S. Census reported that 71.9% of Puerto Rico residents spoke English less than "very well"Nuculur!
So its just like much of the South then.
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allegro Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:30:09am |
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:30:54am |
re: #265 Kragar
Washington Times Gives Platform to White Nationalist to Warn Against Puerto Rico Statehood
Of course...I think that many of us who were paying attention on Election Night to the results of the PR referendum knew instinctively that the racialist wingnuts were going to fight any effort to let this play out in Washington for the possible admission of PR as the 51st state, without preconditions such as "English-only".
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:32:36am |
re: #264 Gus
The loggers tried cutting down the sequoias because they saw so much wood, but once they did, they found that the wood was really brittle and didn't have much value. It was the lack of value that saved them in the long run. Thank goodness for that.
I've got to get up to the Redwood NP in CA sometime. Been to Muir Woods and saw the coastal redwoods there, but the ones up the coast are even taller. The sequoias are just huge beyond comprehension. They make skyscrapers in most cities look tiny by comparison.
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Kragar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:34:02am |
Dick Armey blames Republican leaders for allowing candidates to say ‘dumb things’
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) says that some tea party candidates lost in 2012 because leaders of the Republican Party did not stop them from saying “dumb things.”
Armey, who recently agreed to step down as the head of FreedomWorks for an $8 million payout, on Monday suggested that former Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin and former Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock had lost because the Republican Party had not taught them to keep their controversial opinions about rape to themselves.
“We had a lot of candidates, quite frankly, that did dumb things out there,” he told CBS host Norah O’Donnell. “Once the candidate wins the primary, becomes the Republican nomination, the Republican Party has an obligation to that candidate. I don’t think the Republican Party schooled their candidates very well or supported their candidates very well.”
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!
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Gus Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:34:40am |
re: #270 lawhawk
The loggers tried cutting down the sequoias because they saw so much wood, but once they did, they found that the wood was really brittle and didn't have much value. It was the lack of value that saved them in the long run. Thank goodness for that.
I've got to get up to the Redwood NP in CA sometime. Been to Muir Woods and saw the coastal redwoods there, but the ones up the coast are even taller. The sequoias are just huge beyond comprehension. They make skyscrapers in most cities look tiny by comparison.
Been to Muir and Yosemite once.
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:34:55am |
re: #268 allegro
Your bigotry is not attractive.
Lighten up, Francis...
I live in the South (Nashville, to be exact) and have all of my life; I'm not offended by Kragar's crack, because there are places in the South where English, as spoken by people of many races [but mostly fellow white folks] who've also lived here all of their lives, doesn't strictly sound like American English.
It.Was.A.Joke. (and I took it as such)
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:39:53am |
re: #272 Gus
I've yet to get to Yosemite or Redwood. Bucket lists for both.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:40:25am |
re: #273 TedStriker
Lighten up, Francis.
I live in the South (Nashville, to be exact) and have all of my life; I'm not offended by Kragar's crack, because there are places in the South were English, as spoken by people who've lived here all of their life, doesn't strictly sound like English.
It.Was.A.Joke.
Wot's all dis den?!?!
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allegro Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:40:45am |
re: #273 TedStriker
Lighten up, Francis...
I live in the South (Nashville, to be exact) and have all of my life; I'm not offended by Kragar's crack, because there are places in the South where English, as spoken by people of all races [but mostly fellow white folks] who've lived here all of their life, doesn't strictly sound like English.
It.Was.A.Joke. (and I took it as such)
How nice for you. I will express my opinions as I wish.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:44:43am |
re: #271 Kragar
Dick Armey blames Republican leaders for allowing candidates to say ‘dumb things’
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!
Who's to blame for them believing dumb things?
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:46:17am |
re: #273 TedStriker
Lighten up, Francis...
I live in the South (Nashville, to be exact) and have all of my life; I'm not offended by Kragar's crack, because there are places in the South where English, as spoken by people of many races [but mostly fellow white folks] who've also lived here all of their lives, doesn't strictly sound like American English.
It.Was.A.Joke. (and I took it as such)
Can somebody point me to the official Standard Spoken English handbook?
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Kragar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:47:48am |
Santorum: Obama has never condemned Radical Islam
NBC host David Gregory allowed former Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) to get away with making false and misleading claims about Sharia law and President Obama’s stance on radical Islam. Speaking on Meet The Press’ web supplement Press Pass, Santorum claimed that the President has never condemned “radical Islam,” an assertion that Gregory simply lets stand without challenge:
Sharia law means women have to have head coverings, have no rights — and you don’t hear the President say a word about Sharia. You haven’t heard him condemn Sharia law or radical Islam.
The derp is strong with this one.
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Kragar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:49:01am |
re: #279 b_sharp
Can somebody point me to the official Standard Spoken English handbook?
[Link: www.barnesandnoble.com...]
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:49:19am |
re: #276 allegro
How nice for you. I will express my opinions as I wish.
You certainly do have a right to express your opinion here (within limits and Charles' discretion, of course), but I think you're acting like you need a humor transplant; "catching the vapors" doesn't become you.
That's my opinion, as I wish to express it.
/any advice I give is worth at least as much as you paid for it
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:50:03am |
re: #279 b_sharp
Can somebody point me to the official Standard Spoken English handbook?
Yunz could find it if you'd redd up your cupboards.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:50:47am |
Back to the war on drugs-Lets say we legalize marij. Maybe (really dicey here) cocaine. But surely a whole range of drugs would remain illegal, still have a black market and still have organized crime selling those instead?
I can't imagine legal sales of mushrooms, MDMA, Heroin....
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:51:15am |
re: #250 Kaessa
Having a problem with pop-ups (just on this site). I keep adblock turned off here and I have been getting a TON of pop-up/pop-under windows. My Firefox notifications currently says it has blocked 81 pop-up windows since I've been on this page.
Any suggestions? (Yes, I've virus scanned, and this is the only site it happens on).
That's very odd, and I can't duplicate it on my testing systems at all. We have those kinds of ads limited to 3 per day, and that's all I ever see. Don't know what could cause that, sorry.
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erik_t Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:52:42am |
re: #284 Political Atheist
But surely a whole range of drugs would remain illegal, still have a black market and still have organized crime selling those instead?
Surely. But I don't see a bunch of gatewayers shifting from pot to heroin because the former is now legal. The market for the big bad stuff isn't going to grow just because. Less money, less users = less black market, less organized crime.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:52:48am |
re: #285 Charles Johnson
That's very odd, and I can't duplicate it on my testing systems at all. We have those kinds of ads limited to 3 per day, and that's all I ever see. Don't know what could cause that, sorry.
I'm having a problem not being able to view comments when I'm logged in, and none of the sidebar menu items (top 10 comments, etc.) have any functionality. Spy mode works, but can't view comments on a page or rate an article.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:53:09am |
re: #283 Decatur Deb
Yunz could find it if you'd redd up your cupboards.
What are you talking aboot?
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:53:45am |
re: #279 b_sharp
Can somebody point me to the official Standard Spoken English handbook?
I don't know if that exists, but I'm sure that someone has had to have done up a For Dummies-style tome for speaking Southern Redneck.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:53:57am |
I also have no idea what's causing some people to not be able to see comments when logged in -- that's working fine for me too, on all my testing systems.
Those Arabic comments were from a spammer who registered two accounts, now blocked.
Also blocked - Rochi613, after she decided it would be a good idea to post an article from the insanely bigoted Gatestone Institute, where Fjordman is a "fellow."
I haven't renounced those assholes just to have people post them at my site.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:54:37am |
re: #281 Kragar
[Link: www.barnesandnoble.com...]
OK, OK, you got me. How about the official Standard Spoken Colloquial English handbook?
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:55:14am |
re: #282 TedStriker
You certainly do have a right to express your opinion here (within limits and Charles' discretion, of course), but I think you're acting like you need a humor transplant; "catching the vapors" doesn't become you.
That's my opinion, as I wish to express it.
/any advice I give is worth at least as much as you paid for it
Yer both poopy heads.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:55:38am |
re: #287 Vicious Babushka
Well, those are symptoms of Javascript not working. As I mentioned, I can't duplicate this in any browser, Windows or Mac. I'd suggest reinstalling Chrome and see if that helps - something is preventing Javascript from running.
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:55:55am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:56:28am |
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
I can't speak to that. What I can say is that while he held Texas is decent regard, William F. Buckley's manner was that of a Connecticut Yankee. Whatever he might say about the South, he was firmly a man of the North.
So he was a Connecticut Yankee in the Texas Court?
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:56:32am |
re: #293 Charles Johnson
Well, those are symptoms of Javascript not working. As I mentioned, I can't duplicate this in any browser, Windows or Mac. I'd suggest reinstalling Chrome and see if that helps - something is preventing Javascript from running.
Maybe a reinstall/update of the latest Java might help there too.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:56:59am |
re: #287 Vicious Babushka
I'm having a problem not being able to view comments when I'm logged in, and none of the sidebar menu items (top 10 comments, etc.) have any functionality. Spy mode works, but can't view comments on a page or rate an article.
Yer 'puter is screwed.
Update your Java.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:57:30am |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:59:36am |
re: #296 TedStriker
Maybe a reinstall/update of the latest Java might help there too.
No, this is Javascript, not Java - not the same thing. Javascript is built into browsers.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:59:45am |
re: #296 TedStriker
Maybe a reinstall/update of the latest Java might help there too.
Java can be a real pain in the ass. Better off just uninstalling it completely, then installing the latest version.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:00:20am |
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Kragar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:00:23am |
re: #291 b_sharp
OK, OK, you got me. How about the official Standard Spoken Colloquial English handbook?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:00:35am |
LGF doesn't use Java. It's a common error, but Javascript is not related to Java.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:02:49am |
re: #301 Charles Johnson
No, this is Javascript, not Java - not the same thing. Javascript is built into browsers.
I reinstalled Chrome, same problem. I noticed it is throwing post_widget errors.
Failed to load resource [Link: rcm.amazon.com...]
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 403 (Forbidden) [Link: i.po.st...]
Uncaught ReferenceError: post_widget is not defined lgf.min.1355009262.js:127
Unsafe JavaScript attempt to access frame with URL [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] from frame with URL [Link: www.youtube.com...] Domains, protocols and ports must match.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:03:21am |
I have javascript enabled for this site.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:04:56am |
re: #305 Charles Johnson
LGF doesn't use Java. It's a common error, but Javascript is not related to Java.
I use Java every morning. I'd be a bear without it.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:05:57am |
re: #306 Vicious Babushka
OK, try reloading again. I have an idea what it might be.
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Kragar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:06:35am |
re: #308 b_sharp
I use Java every morning. I'd be a bear without it.
I haven't had any form of liquid caffeine in the last 2 weeks.
About ready to rip someone's head off.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:08:39am |
re: #310 Charles Johnson
OK, try reloading again. I have an idea what it might be.
GAH! Still not working! Doesn't work in other browsers either.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:08:40am |
re: #311 Kragar
I haven't had any form of liquid caffeine in the last 2 weeks.
About ready to rip someone's head off.
Cold turkey is the worst.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:09:08am |
re: #311 Kragar
I haven't had any form of liquid caffeine in the last 2 weeks.
About ready to rip someone's head off.
*Sips some awesome coffee*
I'm sorry, what were your saying?
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:09:15am |
re: #311 Kragar
I haven't had any form of liquid caffeine in the last 2 weeks.
About ready to rip someone's head off.
Dude, 2 weeks? I'd be too comatose to rip off anything.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:12:18am |
re: #306 Vicious Babushka
Did you uninstall it/delete old settings beforehand? You can save your bookmarks and stuff first. Reinstalling over something tends to leave behind settings or problems.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:12:26am |
Wow. Buck's latest page has 5 views.
Is there a bot reading pages?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:12:48am |
re: #312 Vicious Babushka
GAH! Still not working! Doesn't work in other browsers either.
Something is blocking the sharing widgets from i.po.st in your system, that's the problem.
If you're at work, it could be a firewall on your network blocking external Javascript files.
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Kragar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:13:11am |
re: #314 Varek Raith
*Sips some awesome coffee*
I'm sorry, what were your saying?
First and last time I drank coffee was when I woke up covered in frost in a field in South Korea in 1996. Haven't seen the need to drink it again.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:13:52am |
re: #306 Vicious Babushka
I reinstalled Chrome, same problem. I noticed it is throwing post_widget errors.
Failed to load resource [Link: rcm.amazon.com...]
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 403 (Forbidden) [Link: i.po.st...]
Uncaught ReferenceError: post_widget is not defined lgf.min.1355009262.js:127
Unsafe JavaScript attempt to access frame with URL [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] from frame with URL [Link: www.youtube.com...] Domains, protocols and ports must match.
Time to delete your partition, format to FAT16 and install Windows 98.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:14:27am |
re: #318 Charles Johnson
Something is blocking the sharing widgets from i.po.st in your system, that's the problem.
If you're at work, it could be a firewall on your network blocking external Javascript files.
Never had this problem before.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:15:00am |
re: #319 Kragar
First and last time I drank coffee was when I woke up covered in frost in a field in South Korea in 1996. Haven't seen the need to drink it again.
What TF was in that coffee?
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:15:32am |
re: #320 b_sharp
Time to delete your partition, format to FAT16 and install Windows 98.
And dust off that old dial-up modem while you're at it, just to be safe.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:15:50am |
re: #321 Vicious Babushka
Never had this problem before.
So it's a new experience for you. Revel in it, then kill something.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:19:38am |
re: #321 Vicious Babushka
OK, I saved a copy of the i.po.st widget script on LGF and changed the link to use the local copy. Does it work now?
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:19:39am |
re: #318 Charles Johnson
Something is blocking the sharing widgets from i.po.st in your system, that's the problem.
If you're at work, it could be a firewall on your network blocking external Javascript files.
I went into Chrome javascript settings and enabled i.po.st for all sites. Now it works!
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:20:24am |
re: #325 Charles Johnson
OK, I saved a copy of the i.po.st widget script on LGF and changed the link to use the local copy. Does it work now?
Whatever you did, it works now.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:21:37am |
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:22:19am |
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:23:17am |
All this talk of code is making me feel lazy guilty.
Maybe I should get back to work.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:23:31am |
In your Chrome settings do you have Javascript enabled for all sites?
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:23:46am |
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:24:56am |
I should do some actual work.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:24:59am |
re: #332 Vicious Babushka
Yes.
Are you in an office of some kind where you don't control the network? Because it sounds very much like a firewall is blocking access to i.po.st.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:27:30am |
re: #334 Charles Johnson
Are you in an office of some kind where you don't control the network? Because it sounds very much like a firewall is blocking access to i.po.st.
They must have changed it while I was on vacation. :(
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:28:38am |
re: #319 Kragar
First and last time I drank coffee was when I woke up covered in frost in a field in South Korea in 1996. Haven't seen the need to drink it again.
Night of hard partying, huh?
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Kragar Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:31:31am |
re: #336 TedStriker
Night of hard partying, huh?
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2nd day of a 3 day 65 mile march with full gear.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:36:32am |
re: #337 Kragar
2nd day of a 3 day 65 mile march with full gear.
I'm too old to even picture that, let alone think about it.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:54:01am |
re: #334 Charles Johnson
Are you in an office of some kind where you don't control the network? Because it sounds very much like a firewall is blocking access to i.po.st.
I can confirm that it's po.st being blocked somehow. Last week I was having issues with the FF update to v17 and had to trash my profile & reinstall all my addons, which caused me to lose all my previous NoScript settings. As I unblocked scripts one-by-one, I noticed that po.st being blocked caused comments to disappear.
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TedStriker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 12:04:59pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 10, 2012 12:10:21pm |
re: #339 CuriousLurker
I can confirm that it's po.st being blocked somehow. Last week I was having issues with the FF update to v17 and had to trash my profile & reinstall all my addons, which caused me to lose all my previous NoScript settings. As I unblocked scripts one-by-one, I noticed that po.st being blocked caused comments to disappear.
The technical reason why this happens: if the po.st script doesn't load, the LGF Javascript code that calls it will error out, and stop executing. When you're logged in, comments are loaded through Javascript -- that's why the comments don't load when po.st is blocked.
I'm going to try using a local copy of the po.st script, which should get around the problem. I set up a cron job to download the script from their server to LGF every night, so if they modify it we'll be up to date.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Dec 10, 2012 12:29:06pm |
re: #341 Charles Johnson
The technical reason why this happens: if the po.st script doesn't load, the LGF Javascript code that calls it will error out, and stop executing. When you're logged in, comments are loaded through Javascript -- that's why the comments don't load when po.st is blocked.
I'm going to try using a local copy of the po.st script, which should get around the problem. I set up a cron job to download the script from their server to LGF every night, so if they modify it we'll be up to date.
Thanks for the 411. Good to know.
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Kaessa Mon, Dec 10, 2012 12:58:46pm |
re: #285 Charles Johnson
That's very odd, and I can't duplicate it on my testing systems at all. We have those kinds of ads limited to 3 per day, and that's all I ever see. Don't know what could cause that, sorry.
Clearing the cookies seemed to help, I haven't had one since. Thanks for checking, Charles. :)
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