Anti-Muslim Demagogue Pamela Geller’s Firehose of Hate Speech

Demented, raging hatred and calls for banning and deporting Muslims
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A curated selection of the hysterical hate speech being dispersed by anti-Muslim demagogue Pamela Geller tonight, just for the next time someone tries to tell you she doesn’t hate all Muslims.

These quotes are her own opinions, from the front page of her blog — but it should be noted that her commenters are calling for indiscriminate murder and outright genocide in numerous threads.

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More jihad savagery.

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Jihadists and sharia enforcers are working viciously to defeat the anti-sharia bill in Florida

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Deport these savages. And stop Muslim immigration from jihadist regions.

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The enemedia is disarming the American people, inevitably leading sheep to slaughter.

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Obama’s islamophiliac delusion led to Boston’s 911.

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OBAMA’S PEACE PARTNERS URGE MUSLIMS TO BUY ARMS AND TAKE PART IN ‘JIHAD AGAINST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS’

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And still Obama stalks these cold-blooded jihadists for “peace,” despite their relentless jihad.

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Again and again we see that Muslims who commit jihad violence are pious and devout.

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This is yet more evidence that the Boston bombers were devout Muslims.

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This is a sickness — a societal death wish and orgy of self-hatred.

Notice how she conflates “pious Muslims” with “jihad savages.”

The “pious Muslim” thing is one of Geller’s main talking points. It’s how she tries to excuse herself from the hate speech accusation; she doesn’t hate ALL Muslims, just all the PIOUS ones.

And that’s one of the tried and true techniques of a real hater — to collapse a very disparate continuum of people, all with their own reasons and beliefs, into a single mass labeled “devout Muslims.” It’s the definition of “stereotype,” and the purpose is to demonize that group en masse, based on the actions of any individual in the group.

Remember, these quotes are directly from the poison pen of Ms Geller herself. Don’t even read the comments, unless you want to know how horrible these people really are.

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206 comments
1 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:41:31pm

I hate her.

2 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:43:09pm

Notice how she conflates “pious Muslims” with “jihad savages.”

3 Kid A  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:44:36pm

And people take this woman seriously.

4 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:49:59pm

I may do a similar post for Jim Hoft. His site is just as despicable.

5 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:51:43pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Notice how she conflates “pious Muslims” with “jihad savages.”

Yeah, she’s definitely having hategasms over this tragedy. All the fear & hate mongers are—you should see my Google alerts pouring in. They’re all in overdrive.

6 jaunte  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:52:07pm
Deport these savages. And stop Muslim immigration from jihadist regions.

According to Geller/Spencer geography, a “jihadist region” is anywhere a Muslim lives.

7 Kid A  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:53:20pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I may do a similar post for Jim Hoft. His site is just as despicable.

Please do. Maybe they’ll take away his “accuracy in reporting” award that the nuts at C-PAC gave him.

8 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:54:56pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Yeah, she’s definitely having hategasms over this tragedy. All the fear & hate mongers are—you should see my Google alerts pouring in. They’re all in overdrive.

The “pious Muslim” thing is one of her main talking points. It’s how she tries to excuse herself from the hate speech accusation; she doesn’t hate ALL Muslims, just all the PIOUS ones.

This is one of the techniques of a real hater — to collapse a very disparate continuum of people, all with their own reasons and beliefs, into a single mass labeled “devout Muslims.” It’s the definition of “stereotype.”

9 Kid A  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:58:03pm

Obama’s islamophiliac delusion led to Boston’s 911.

How many fifths of Grey Goose does it take to get to this state of inebriation?

10 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:58:05pm

When she writes:

This is a sickness — a societal death wish and orgy of self-hatred.

…she’s talking about people who didn’t immediately leap to conclusions about “savage Muslim jihadis.”

11 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:59:01pm

So some guy got the shit beat out of him on the Chicago Train System because he “looked” Arabic/Muslim.

The Parents of one of my son’s best and oldest friends told him to STAY INDOORS over the weekend (he lives in the City) because of it. They are American of Indian descent. I’ve known this kid since they two were in Kindergarten.

This is what Pamela Gellar and her ilk have made of the Land of the Free.

FUCK THEM!

12 sauceruney  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:59:46pm

I need to go look at kittens and bunnies on Tumblr now

13 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:00:15pm

re: #3 Kid A

And people take this woman seriously.

Yes, unfortunately some do. I’m baffled by the people who think the answer to hate is more hate. I suspect it’s because their hatred comes from feelings of fear & helplessness, and hating make them feel stonger somehow.

It’s stupid and it doesn’t work in the long run.

14 jaunte  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:01:02pm

Sociecidal enemedial neologorrhea.

15 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:08:44pm

Charles, you win your Russia wager:
tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

16 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:09:06pm

re: #14 jaunte

Sociecidal enemedial neologorrhea.

Translation: Professional shit spewer.

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17 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:11:42pm

re: #15 Randall Gross

Charles, you win your Russia wager:
tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

If Russia was so concerned with this guy in 2011, concerned enough to ask the US to take a look at him, then why did Russia allow him in in 2012?

18 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:12:07pm

re: #11 FemNaziBitch

So some guy got the shit beat out of him on the Chicago Train System because he “looked” Arabic/Muslim.

The Parents of one of my son’s best and oldest friends told him to STAY INDOORS over the weekend (he lives in the City) because of it. They are American of Indian descent. I’ve known this kid since they two were in Kindergarten.

This is what Pamela Gellar and her ilk have made of the Land of the Free.

FUCK THEM!

On the ‘L’, you mean? When did that happen?

19 BongCrodny  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:12:26pm
The enemedia is disarming the American people, inevitably leading sheep to slaughter

These must be the Earth-2 American people, the ones who aren’t buying firearms and ammunition in record numbers.

20 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:12:54pm

re: #15 Randall Gross

Charles, you win your Russia wager:
tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

Wasn’t hard to predict that one. Russia is currently engaged in a decades long, very brutal suppression effort against the Chechnya region. They’re keeping a very close eye on anyone who goes there.

There are probably thousands of similar requests for info from Russia.

21 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:13:34pm

re: #17 sattv4u2

If Russia was so concerned with this guy in 2011, concerned enough to ask the US to take a look at him, then why did Russia allow him in in 2012?

Good question.

22 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:13:52pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

On the ‘L’, you mean? When did that happen?

Yeah, on the “L”. I don’t know the specifics, just that our friends are scared for their child and I am too!

Add to that they idea that kids can’t walk in their own neighborhoods at night wearing hoodies and I just CAN’T STAND IT.

23 DelusionDeluge  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:14:24pm

Has Geller ever written about all the Muslims, “pious” or otherwise, that Obama’s team has bombed the crap out of these last four years?

24 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:14:28pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Wasn’t hard to predict that one. Russia is currently engaged in a decades long, very brutal suppression effort against the Chechnya region. They’re keeping a very close eye on anyone who goes there.

There are probably thousands of similar requests for info from Russia.

Yeah, that’s basically what the article said.

25 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:14:39pm
Deport these savages.

I agree. A FEMA Dropship will pick Geller and her supporters up shortly.

26 jaunte  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:14:52pm

re: #17 sattv4u2

They were probably following him around and noting everyone he came in contact with.

27 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:15:08pm

Read about what Stalin did to the Chechens some time. It’s mind-boggling.

28 jaunte  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:15:31pm

But that doesn’t mean they would share information.

29 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:16:26pm

re: #17 sattv4u2

If Russia was so concerned with this guy in 2011, concerned enough to ask the US to take a look at him, then why did Russia allow him in in 2012?

If you read the article at the link you can see that the request is pretty routine for pretty much any Muslim traveling to Chechnya.

30 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:16:57pm

re: #26 jaunte

They were probably following him around and noting everyone he came in contact with.

Could be, but that sounds risky. One slip and he’s gone (once in the country)

((hell, when he died they had him and his brother cornered and his brother got away, even with all the resources at hand that morning))

(((and NO,, I am NOT blaming the police for letting White Hat get away that morning))))

31 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:17:00pm

re: #29 Randall Gross

If you read the article at the link you can see that the request is pretty routine for pretty much any Muslim traveling to Chechnya.

Yup.

32 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:17:17pm

re: #17 sattv4u2

If Russia was so concerned with this guy in 2011, concerned enough to ask the US to take a look at him, then why did Russia allow him in in 2012?

…and according to the FBI memo the Russians never followed up on him.

33 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:17:48pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Wasn’t hard to predict that one. Russia is currently engaged in a decades long, very brutal suppression effort against the Chechnya region. They’re keeping a very close eye on anyone who goes there.

There are probably thousands of similar requests for info from Russia.

“Suppression effort” against the Chechen region? I guess Lincoln suppressed the Confederacy also.

34 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:18:42pm

re: #33 Destro

“Suppression effort” against the Chechen region? I guess Lincoln suppressed the Confederacy also.

Yeah, I’d say deporting the entire population of Chechnya to Siberia qualifies as a suppression effort.

35 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:19:17pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Read about what Stalin did to the Chechens some time. It’s mind-boggling.

Stalin pulled a Roosevelt.

Read what the Chechens did to the Russians. It’s mind-boggling also.

36 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:19:38pm

Tens of thousands of people were killed by Stalin’s deportations.

37 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:20:15pm

Ooohkay.

38 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:20:17pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I’d say deporting the entire population of Chechnya to Siberia qualifies as a suppression effort.

That was during WW2. You clearly mentioned the present Chechen secession attempt of the modern era.

39 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:21:02pm

Aurora teen charged with aiding terrorists

Fuck this shit.

40 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:21:56pm

Things just got interesting.

41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:22:07pm

re: #19 BongCrodny

These must be the Earth-2 American people, the ones who aren’t buying firearms and ammunition in record numbers.

Several right gun-fans on Tumblr seriously freaked out at the lock-down in Boston yesterday. Here’s a sci-fi fan with the nic of Future Tense giving one of the screamers a smack down. First up is the preceding substantive post in /wingnut, follow by FT’s reply:

To all the people on here who think what is happening in Boston is acceptable:

There is no one out shooting cops and blowing things up. There was one confrontation with police HOURS AGO. This guy is gone or dead somewhere from injuries incurred. He is not hiding in every basement in Boston (though the police searches seem to indicate that).

They are incompetent if they lost track of him with all the technology they have when they were close enough to have a shoot out at some point.

Also, it’s called the fourth amendment. This is defacto martial law and violates the rights of everyone under “lockdown”. Not to mention it makes the cops look incredibly stupid (which we already knew was the case anyways).

Stop just accepting things under a false guise of “security”. And why can’t I talk about the politics of this? The state does. They are using it to normalize you to this immense police presence so that when it is used to oppress free speech you accept it as long as they say it’s because of a “terrorist threat”.

Are you really all so gullible that you don’t understand this? Are you all so xenophobic, ignorant, isolated, nationalistic and fear-ridden that you don’t see how the state and the ruling classes are politicizing this for their own advantage? Or are you caught up in the fear that you can’t defend yourself and that you need some sort of over-reaching state apparatus to oppress you in order to “protect and serve”?

Can we start thinking critically yet? Or must we resign to the role provided to us by the state - keep quiet and obey?

iamarevolutionary2.tumblr.com

As a Bostonian whoever posted this has no fucking clew what they are talking about. The police over the last few days have been helpful and kinder than they ever have been and I say this as someone who has never had a good run in with the coppers and as someone who lives right next door to Watertown.

The fact of the matter is, I had a tank drive down my street on Friday, you didn’t. If I wanted to smoke a joint and watch them the police wouldn’t have done shit, hell some might have joined me.

You think we’re living in a police state. Friday I did live in a police state and it didn’t look like Orwell like you are implying.

Check your source privilage

(via prpltnkr)

42 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:22:14pm

re: #39 FemNaziBitch

Aurora teen charged with aiding terrorists

Fuck this shit.

The FBI says Tounisi, who is a U.S. citizen, was headed to Syria to join a terrorist group linked to Al Qaeda.

Read more: wgntv.com

Hey! We are only sending non-lethal aid to the Syrian freedom fighters….

43 AlexRogan  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:22:32pm

re: #17 sattv4u2

If Russia was so concerned with this guy in 2011, concerned enough to ask the US to take a look at him, then why did Russia allow him in in 2012?

They (Russia) didn’t necessarily have anything on Tamerlan, it’s seems like they were just asking us for any info State had before approving his visa; given that he was a Miuslim of Chechen descent and within that 18-35 demographic, it makes sense to ask, from the Russian POV.

44 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:23:53pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Tens of thousands of people were killed by Stalin’s deportations.

And the Soviets were afraid the Chechens would rise up and aid Hitler getting the Caucasian oil fields (and they probably would have See the Baltics).

45 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:24:04pm

re: #40 thedopefishlives

Things just got interesting.

Normally, Destro confines these DERPS to the Pages. But apparently tonight the ‘warrior’ has come out to play.

46 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:25:24pm

re: #39 FemNaziBitch

Aurora teen charged with aiding terrorists

Fuck this shit.

An 18 year old Aurora teen,,,,, was headed to Syria to join a terrorist group linked to Al Qaeda

heh,,, my 18 year old teen wants to go to Panama City Beach for the summer

Guess whose going to have a better fall ?????

47 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:25:52pm

re: #44 Destro

And the Soviets were afraid the Chechens would rise up and aid Hitler getting the Caucasian oil fields (and they probably would have See the Baltics).

As it happened, that was never a real risk. Germany never got near Baku in 1942, mostly because of Hitler’s obsessive focus on Stalingrad.

48 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:26:01pm

re: #43 AlexRogan

thanks

49 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:26:21pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Normally, Destro confines these DERPS to the Pages. But apparently tonight the ‘warrior’ has come out to play.

What derp is that? Not being pro Chechen rebel? Guilty.

50 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:26:56pm

re: #46 sattv4u2

An 18 year old Aurora teen,,,,, was headed to Syria to join a terrorist group linked to Al Qaeda

heh,,, my 18 year old teen wants to go to Panama City Beach for the summer

Guess whose going to have a better fall ?????

Depends on whether he jumps from the balcony towards the motel swimming pool. Really.

51 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:27:17pm

re: #49 Destro

What derp is that? Not being pro Chechen rebel? Guilty.

No, defending Stalin.

52 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:27:50pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

Depends on whether he jumps from the balcony towards the motel swimming pool. Really.

yup,,, BUT ,,,,,, I’ll bet he’ll see a lot more bikini clad coeds than the Aurora teen will!!!!!

53 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:28:04pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

As it happened, that was never a real risk. Germany never got near Baku in 1942, mostly because of Hitler’s obsessive focus on Stalingrad.

And the Soviets knew they were going to win in Stalingrad? And what if an uprising happened before then in the Caucuses? And what about the nearby Iranian and Iraqi pro German uprisings that happened (and failed) at the same time?

54 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:28:14pm

re: #49 Destro

What derp is that? Not being pro Chechen rebel? Guilty.

You don’t have to be “pro-Chechen rebel” to think that what Stalin did to these people is absolutely abhorrent.

55 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:28:27pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

yup,,, BUT ,,,,,, I’ll bet he’ll see a lot more bikini clad coeds than the Aurora teen will!!!!!

Tell him not to expect 72 virgins.

56 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:28:29pm

re: #44 Destro

And the Soviets were afraid the Chechens would rise up and aid Hitler getting the Caucasian oil fields (and they probably would have See the Baltics).

I gotta say, it takes real balls to try to justify the murder of tens of thousands of people by saying, “Well, they could have been partisan rebels!”

57 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:28:32pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

yup,,, BUT ,,,,,, I’ll bet he’ll see a lot more bikini clad coeds than the Aurora teen will!!!!!

((NOTE TO SELF ,,,, go visit him ,, often !!!))))

58 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:28:39pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

Depends on whether he jumps from the balcony towards the motel swimming pool. Really.

Note: DD is not talking out his backside.

59 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:29:31pm

Another day, another stupid abortion law struck down:

rawstory.com

The GOP is wasting so much money on this shit it’s ridiculous.

60 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:29:48pm

re: #53 Destro

And the Soviets knew they were going to win in Stalingrad? And what if an uprising happened before then in the Caucuses? And what about the nearby Iranian and Iraqi pro German uprisings that happened (and failed) at the same time?

The crisis in Iraq happened in 1941. Germany did not move towards Baku until the late spring/early summer of 1942.

61 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:29:49pm

re: #46 sattv4u2

An 18 year old Aurora teen,,,,, was headed to Syria to join a terrorist group linked to Al Qaeda

heh,,, my 18 year old teen wants to go to Panama City Beach for the summer

Guess whose going to have a better fall ?????

How do these kids know how to get where they are going? Who is and how are they being recruited. I have a hard time imagining that their whole family is at the airport seeing them off. “Omar, have a great time at terrorist camp.” Do their parents really know what they are doing?

Where do they get the money to travel?

62 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:30:39pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

No, defending Stalin.

He forced Hitler to blow his brains out. Good enough for me. I and my family were saved by the Red Army from the Germans. I literally owe the Red Army my life and the lives of all my relatives past, present and future.

63 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:30:57pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

yup,,, BUT ,,,,,, I’ll bet he’ll see a lot more bikini clad coeds than the Aurora teen will!!!!!

coed is not a good term to use.

archaic, misogynistic and besides, Rush used it to describe Sandra Fluke.

Just say young babes.

64 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:30:59pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Normally, Destro confines these DERPS to the Pages. But apparently tonight the ‘warrior’ has come out to play.

It’s drawing a lot of people into the main threads that you don’t usually see here. Imagine my surprise. //

And on that note, I’m out for now. Laters.

65 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:32:27pm

re: #55 Decatur Deb

Tell him not to expect 72 women virgins.


fixed

66 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:32:36pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

You don’t have to be “pro-Chechen rebel” to think that what Stalin did to these people is absolutely abhorrent.

It was abhorrent and that still does not justify Chechen terrorism in favor of their independence in the modern age now does it?

67 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:32:52pm

re: #61 FemNaziBitch

How do these kids know how to get where they are going? Who is and how are they being recruited. I have a hard time imagining that their whole family is at the airport seeing them off. “Omar, have a great time at terrorist camp.” Do their parents really know what they are doing?

Where do they get the money to travel?

Good questions, all. And I’m sure there are a multitude of answers including but not limited too
Trust Fund babies
Financed by a “recruiter”
Decides to use life savings for “the cause”

68 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:33:20pm

re: #63 FemNaziBitch

coed is not a good term to use.

archaic, misogynistic and besides, Rush used it to describe Sandra Fluke.

Just say young babes.

Guilty as charged

Old habits die hard

69 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:33:47pm

re: #67 sattv4u2

Good questions, all. And I’m sure there are a multitude of answers including but not limited too
Trust Fund babies
Financed by a “recruiter”
Decides to use life savings for “the cause”

Is that the terrorist or the Spring breaker?

70 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:34:08pm

It’s a clarification moment.

71 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:34:12pm

re: #63 FemNaziBitch

re: #68 sattv4u2

Guilty as charged

Old habits die hard

AND ,,,, I’m sure someone somehwre would have just as much a “problem” with Just say young babes.

72 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:34:24pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Is that the terrorist or the Spring breaker?

yes

73 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:35:01pm

re: #67 sattv4u2

Good questions, all. And I’m sure there are a multitude of answers including but not limited too
Trust Fund babies
Financed by a “recruiter”
Decides to use life savings for “the cause”

and I know the FBI and their peers have been asking and answering them for a while now.

74 bratwurst  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:35:37pm

The flame of self-righteousness sure has been burning brightly among certain segments of the LGF community lately.

75 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:35:51pm

re: #71 sattv4u2

re: #68 sattv4u2

AND ,,,, I’m sure someone somehwre would have just as much a “problem” with Just say young babes.

yeah, well … . .

young females in two-piece swim suits

It’s the Rush thing that really goes against the grain.

76 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:36:09pm

Really you are going to try to warp Charles saying
“Read what Stalin did to the Chechens sometime, it’s mind boggling” into Charles supporting or sympathizing with Chechen terrorists?

That’s kinda stupid because it’s so transparently wrong.

77 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:36:54pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

The crisis in Iraq happened in 1941. Germany did not move towards Baku until the late spring/early summer of 1942.

You mean uprisings only get to happen once? If the Chechens carried out an uprising and then inflamed Azeris and the other Caucuses and then the Turks near by who were neutral?

That was what was going through the minds of the Kremlin then in a war that was a literal life struggle.

Also, less Chechens died in the deportations than the US killed in the fire bombing of Dresden. But you know, Stalin.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:37:16pm

re: #76 Randall Gross

Really you are going to try to warp Charles saying
“Read what Stalin did to the Chechens sometime, it’s mind boggling” into Charles supporting or sympathizing with Chechen terrorists?

That’s kinda stupid because it’s so transparently wrong.

Forget it Randall, it’s Destro.

79 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:37:36pm

re: #75 FemNaziBitch

yeah, well … . .

young females in two-piece swim suits

Actually, it’s “Girls gone wild.” There are documentaries.

80 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:39:52pm

re: #76 Randall Gross

Really you are going to try to warp Charles saying
“Read what Stalin did to the Chechens sometime, it’s mind boggling” into Charles supporting or sympathizing with Chechen terrorists?

That’s kinda stupid because it’s so transparently wrong.

Amen to that..

911 what is your emergency?
ahh..Destro went off the rails .. again
Ambulance is on the way sir…

81 jaunte  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:40:14pm

re: #77 Destro

less Chechens died in the deportations than the US killed in the fire bombing of Dresden

Even if you use the NKVD-supplied statistics on Chechen deaths, that’s wrong.

82 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:40:42pm

re: #77 Destro

The US managed to intern its Japanese population without massive fatalities, so it was possible for Stalin have handled things better. Moreover, the Chechens didn’t actually revolt, just as the American Japanese did not revolt. Both were removed from their homes because it was feared they might revolt, a fear driven by hysteria and paranoia.

83 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:41:04pm

re: #77 Destro

Magical Balance Fairy. Try again.

84 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:42:20pm

Time to watch “Orphan Black” - later.

85 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:42:47pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

The US managed to intern its Japanese population without massive fatalities, so it was possible for Stalin have handled things better. Moreover, the Chechens didn’t actually revolt, just as the American Japanese did not revolt. Both were removed from their homes because it was feared they might revolt, a fear driven by hysteria and paranoia.

The Chechens did revolt lasted from 1940 when they saw the Soviets lose in Finland (at first) till 1944. Look it up sometime. Khasan Israilov was the Chechen leader back then.

And the USA was not being invaded by the Japanese and suffering tens of millions of dead either.

86 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:43:05pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Actually, it’s “Girls gone wild.” There are documentaries.

The writer/director of “Spring Breakers” didn’t invent hardly any debaucheries, he just used what he’d seen and filmed as research (heh) prior to writing his script.

87 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:45:32pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

The writer/director of “Spring Breakers” didn’t invent hardly any debaucheries, he just used what he’d seen and filmed as research (heh) prior to writing his script.

PCB is the jurisdiction where Dick Francis crossed a line.

88 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:46:48pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

PCB is the jurisdiction where Dick Francis crossed a line.

PCB?

89 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:47:34pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

PCB?

Panama City Beach. Took my daughter there so she could have her booze stamp changed from “No” to “Yes” at midnight of her 21st.

90 AlexRogan  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:49:42pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

You don’t have to be “pro-Chechen rebel” to think that what Stalin did to these people is absolutely abhorrent.

To be truthful, Stalin fucked up a LOT of people and groups that he didn’t like or that had pissed him off.

Like the Lienz Cossacks.

91 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:49:56pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Panama City Beach

Thanks. As another of our WWII experts, can you provide some support fire? I’m holding my own, but could use some help.

92 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:50:48pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. As another of our WWII experts, can you provide some support fire? I’m holding my own, but could use some help.

It’s not my day to argue with Destro or Buck.

93 Ming  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:50:49pm

One of (many) sad things about Pam Geller: today, of all days, should be a time to feel good about our society. Thinking about how the Boston, Massachusetts, and federal authorities handled all this, grateful that the damage wasn’t even greater, grateful that a suspect is in custody and may give us insight into what motivates this kind of atrocity… this should be a day to feel good about ourselves, to really feel United We Stand, to remember that wonderful sign at Yankee Stadium about how the Yankees stand with the Red Sox (I hope everyone still feels that way)! It should be a day of sadness, as we remember the unspeakable tragic losses, but also a day to be grateful for how it was all handled. In this context, Pamela Geller today, as she does pretty much all days, posts hateful words on her blog??? This is despicable. At least (one hopes) she didn’t revive the “Keystone Kops” accusation!

94 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:51:43pm

re: #85 Destro

The Chechens did revolt lasted from 1940 when they saw the Soviets lose in Finland (at first) till 1944. Look it up sometime. Khasan Israilov was the Chechen leader back then.

The Chechens weren’t citizens in a democracy, ending Russian Soviet hegemony was an understandable and laudable goal. They never agreed to be part of Russia whether Imperial, Soviet or the modern Federation, they were transfered against their will in a treaty with Persia. The idea that the people there aren’t entitled to so much as a referendum on self rule is an interesting position to take.

95 majii  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:51:43pm

re: #11 FemNaziBitch

The fact of the matter is that they don’t mind showing their ignorance for all the world to see. Any person with “dark skin” is perceived by them to be a threat. The thing that turns me off most about these people is their tendency to separate the world into “us” and “them.” They’d never consider someone like Adam Lanza a terrorist or call for the suspension of his constitutional rights. It’s a special form of madness that lives in the minds of the Spencers and Gellers of the world, a madness that sees everyone/thing in black and white. I have never believed that these folks “love” the Constitution, our government, or our judicial system in spite of what they say. My rule is that if your actions don’t match your words, you’re full of sh*t, and they are. What also offends me are the knuckleheads who believe everything these people say and repeat it as if it’s the gospel truth. When others laugh at them, they wonder why we’re laughing. We’re laughing because you come across as First Class Clowns who allow yourselves to be manipulated the Gellers, Becks, and Limbaughs of the world for whom you’re only tools who willingly help to finance their lifestyle.

96 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:52:02pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

PCB is the jurisdiction where Dick Francis crossed a line.

Yup.. we were there in 2000. They had set up shop right near where the condo complex we were staying was. They basically had taken over one of the clubs there (and no,, I never went to see what was going on)

97 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:52:33pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Don’t forget about the Russian Empire before him.

98 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:53:57pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

The Chechens weren’t citizens in a democracy, ending Russian Soviet hegemony was an understandable and laudable goal. They never agreed to be part of Russia whether Imperial, Soviet or the modern Federation, they were transfered against their will in a treaty with Persia. The idea that the people there aren’t entitled to so much as a referendum on self rule is an interesting position to take.

I am sure the American Indians or the Confederacy agree.

99 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:55:16pm

re: #98 Destro

Conflation FAIL. The Native American actions to protect their lands are far more defensible morally than the Southern Secession.

100 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:55:25pm

re: #96 sattv4u2

Yup.. we were there in 2000. They had set up shop right near where the condo complex we were staying was. They basically had taken over one of the clubs there (and no,, I never went to see what was going on)

Our town cops feed on the kids up and down 231. This time of year you see sad little displays of open trunks and beer cases stacked along the shoulder.

101 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:56:09pm

re: #97 ProBosniaLiberal

Don’t forget about the Russian Empire before him.

Destro’s here, PLL, defending Stalin to the hilt. Your joining the fray is most welcome.

102 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:56:22pm

re: #62 Destro

Hey, who was that signed the pact spliting Poland and the newly formed states between them.

Oh yeah! Hitler and Stalin!

103 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:56:43pm

re: #98 Destro

I am sure the American Indians or the Confederacy agree.

The confederacy got their chance to vote on if they wanted to be a part of the US back when we were founded. Comparing the Southeners who were upset that their candidate could not win an election too a group of people who were systematically evicted from their lands again and again like the Native Americans is incredibly tone deaf.

104 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:58:33pm

So the Atrocity Balancing Fairy is what happens when the Magical Balance Fairy Pokemon-evolves, right?

105 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:59:02pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

personal favor

Stop doing that. Either discuss on your own, or drop out of it. Stop asking for people to gang up on whoever you’re debating for “support”. It’s most distasteful, imho

106 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:59:26pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Conflation FAIL. The Native American actions to protect their lands are far more defensible morally than the Southern Secession.

Actually the American Indian wars coincide with the Russian conquest of the Caucuses. And judging by the fact the Caucasian peoples still live in their lands after all that the Russians and then Soviets did to them the Chechens were lucky it wasn’t the Americans that were conquering them back in the mid 1800s because there would not have been many left if at all.

107 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:59:29pm

re: #104 The Ghost of a Flea

So the Atrocity Balancing Fairy is what happens when the Magical Balance Fairy Pokemon-evolves, right?

A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a derp.

108 AlexRogan  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:59:43pm

re: #90 AlexRogan

To be truthful, Stalin fucked up a LOT of people and groups that he didn’t like or that had pissed him off.

Like the Lienz Cossacks.

To clarify, how the US and Britain, after WWII, went about the whole business of “repatriating” the Cossacks who fought for Nazi Germany to almost certain death back in the USSR was skeevy as hell.

It was far from our finest moment.

109 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:00:44pm

re: #106 Destro

Actually the American Indian wars coincide with the Russian conquest of the Caucuses. And judging by the fact the Caucasian peoples still live in their lands after all that the Russians and then Soviets did to them the Chechens were lucky it wasn’t the Americans that were conquering them back in the mid 1800s because there would not have been many left if at all.

That’s about the dumbest thing that I could imagine anyone saying. Do you even know ANYTHING about the Indian wars?

110 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:00:45pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

personal favor

Stop doing that. Either discuss on your own, or drop out of it. Stop asking for people to gang up on whoever you’re debating for “support”. It’s most distasteful, imho

Sorry. it’s just that if its just one guy arguing with Destro that guy tends to look like they’re just mud-wrestling a pig.

111 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:00:52pm

re: #102 ProBosniaLiberal

Hey, who was that signed the pact spliting Poland and the newly formed states between them.

Oh yeah! Hitler and Stalin!

Stalin wanted to go to war against Germany to defend the Czechs. Guess who joined in on the invasion of Czechoslovakia and split the land? German and Poland.

112 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:01:43pm

re: #98 Destro

I am sure the American Indians or the Confederacy agree.

You wouldn’t normally argue that American Indians deserve what happened to them so why use them as an example of why the Chechen’s don’t deserve self rule? Also recognized tribes, as screwed over as they’ve been have more actual independence from the US government than Chechens have from Moscow. As far as the Confederacy goes no elected Chechen legislature ever ratified a Russian constitution so that analogy falls flat on its face.

113 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:01:44pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

This is the thing with the Chechyans (and really every other group in that little cluster there).

If Russia was not so aggressive in Russification, and the Russian Orthodox Church not so aggressive in trying to convert non-Orthodox, the those people would not have thought about siding with Hitler. The people there have never been given a choice, and reparations never made.

At least with our Native Americans, we do realize we did a fucked up thing, and try to fix it. Thing is, the US has become schizophrenic recently, and thus the have ended up neglected. We should be negotiating pacts in terms of revenue sharing in regards to the tribes, so they can can funds to equalize the societal gap between them and the rest of the US.

114 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:02:05pm

re: #109 thedopefishlives

That’s about the dumbest thing that I could imagine anyone saying. Do you even know ANYTHING about the Indian wars?

Yea. See lack of Indians on their ancestral lands.

115 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:02:51pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Sorry. it’s just that if its just one guy arguing with Destro that guy tends to look like they’re just mud-wrestling a pig.

I’ve seen you do it to NON Destro posters!

116 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:03:06pm

I don’t have a favorite XXth Cent tyrant, though Andre Malraux really turned me against Chiang Kai-shek.

117 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:03:16pm

re: #114 Destro

And notice how, in the past 30 years, we didn’t enter a reservation and start a massive ground war ending with 50,000 civilian dead, mostly minority.

Are a Nashi-ite?

118 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:03:37pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

re: #115 sattv4u2

I’ve seen you do it to NON Destro posters!

AND ,, if you don’t want to mud wrestel a pig, don’t get into the pen with one

119 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:03:39pm

re: #113 ProBosniaLiberal

This is the thing with the Chechyans (and really every other group in that little cluster there).

If Russia was not so aggressive in Russification, and the Russian Orthodox Church not so aggressive in trying to convert non-Orthodox, the those people would not have thought about siding with Hitler. The people there have never been given a choice, and reparations never made.

At least with our Native Americans, we do realize we did a fucked up thing, and try to fix it. Thing is, the US has become schizophrenic recently, and thus the have ended up neglected. We should be negotiating pacts in terms of revenue sharing in regards to the tribes, so they can can funds to equalize the societal gap between them and the rest of the US.

There was no mass scale Orthodox conversion efforts under Stalin nor even under the Czars. That’s why the Caucuses have a Buddhist Republic within Russia to this day.

120 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:03:58pm

re: #114 Destro

Yea. See lack of Indians on their ancestral lands.

*facepalm*

I’ll take that as a no, then. FYI - why don’t you try coming out to Indian country for a while. Yeah, the Indians are still upset over what we did to them. But they’re STILL THERE.

121 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:03:59pm

re: #108 AlexRogan

To clarify, how the US and Britain, after WWII, went about the whole business of “repatriating” the Cossacks who fought for Nazi Germany to almost certain death back in the USSR was skeevy as hell.

It was far from our finest moment.

Time for more sad moments in “everything i need to know in life I learned from James Bond movies….”


(I consider myself something of a WW2 fan but I would have no idea who the Lienz Cossacks were if not for Goldeneye….)

122 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:04:02pm

re: #108 AlexRogan

To clarify, how the US and Britain, after WWII, went about the whole business of “repatriating” the Cossacks who fought for Nazi Germany to almost certain death back in the USSR was skeevy as hell.

It was far from our finest moment.

Wikipedia actually has a good page on the German 1st Cossack Division. It has the division’s breakdown of subordinate units, which you don’t always get.

123 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:04:03pm

re: #117 ProBosniaLiberal

And notice how, in the past 20 years, we didn’t enter a reservation and start a massive ground war ending with 50,000 civilian dead, mostly minority.

Are a Nashi-ite?

Not counting Iraq?

124 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:04:53pm

re: #114 Destro

Yea. See lack of Indians on their ancestral lands.

Tu quoque is a logical fallacy. You can’t justify the treatment that the Chechens have historically endured by continually pointing to native americans. An honest debater understands that two wrongs don’t make a right.

125 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:04:59pm

re: #123 Destro

Not counting Iraq?

I don’t downding very often, but that was just plain retarded. What’s Iraq got to do with Indian reservations?

126 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:05:19pm

re: #115 sattv4u2

I’ve seen you do it to NON Destro posters!

I’ll halt the practice.

127 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:05:35pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

I’ll halt the practice.

t/y

128 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:05:36pm

re: #111 Destro

Stalin wanted to go to war against Germany to defend the Czechs. Guess who joined in on the invasion of Czechoslovakia and split the land? German and Poland.

So to get back at Germany for invading Czechoslovakia Stalin decided to help them invade Poland…..

I’m sure it makes sense to somebody….

129 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:06:01pm

I just logged in and this thread is already destro[y]ed.

130 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:06:04pm

re: #120 thedopefishlives

*facepalm*

I’ll take that as a no, then. FYI - why don’t you try coming out to Indian country for a while. Yeah, the Indians are still upset over what we did to them. But they’re STILL THERE.

You mean in America’s version of Siberia aka reservations?

131 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:06:34pm

FIGHT
RUN
DERP
PREVARICATE

TROLL has learned APOLOGISM, but TROLL has already learned four moves. Delete one to make room for APOLOGISM?

132 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:06:51pm

re: #125 thedopefishlives

I don’t downding very often, but that was just plain retarded. What’s Iraq got to do with Indian reservations?

Well, there was the matter of Saddam’s persecution of the Marsh Arabs, and his destruction of their environment. But that was a wrong we helped right, so Destro won’t talk about it.

133 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:07:28pm

re: #130 Destro

You mean in America’s version of Siberia aka reservations?

You have absolutely got to be kidding.

134 jaunte  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:07:29pm

re: #131 The Ghost of a Flea

Custer covers Stalin?

135 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:08:33pm

There is a new game here, like Paper-Scissors-Rock, it’s Stalin-Hitler-Custer.

136 AlexRogan  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:08:35pm

re: #121 jamesfirecat

Time for more sad moments in “everything i need to know in life I learned from James Bond movies….”

(I consider myself something of a WW2 fan but I would have no idea who the Lienz Cossacks were if not for Goldeneye….)

Before I saw GoldenEye, I knew a little about the Cossacks.

Afterwards, I knew about the Lienz Cossacks.

Later on, when I had a computer and the Internet and looked the subject of the Lienz “repatriation” up, it made me want to vomit.

137 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:09:06pm

re: #128 jamesfirecat

So to get back at Germany for invading Czechoslovakia Stalin decided to help them invade Poland…..

I’m sure it makes sense to somebody….

Stalin was angry that the Poles sided with the Germans in attacking Czechoslovakia and decided that since he can’t fight Hitler with allied help he would opt for a peace treaty.

138 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:09:07pm

re: #135 Vicious Babushka

There is a new game here, like Paper-Scissors-Rock, it’s Stalin-Hitler-Custer.

Lethal mustachios all.

139 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:09:30pm

re: #119 Destro

Not for a lack of trying, and believe me, Russia tried:

As a matter of policy, the Tsarist government and the Russian Orthodox Church sought to gradually absorb and convert any subject of another creed or nationality. The aim of the policy was to eliminate foreign influence and to entrench newly annexed areas. The baptized indigenous population would then become loyal to the Russian empire and would agree to be governed by Russian officials.

The Kalmyks migrated to territory annexed by the Tsarist government and were subject to this policy as long as they remained in this territory. At first, the policies contributed to the conversion of the Kalmyk nobility. One of the earliest converts were the children of Donduk-Ombo, the sixth Khan of the Kalmyks who reigned between 1737 and 1741, and his Circassian-born wife (See Dondukov family). Another important convert was Baksaday-Dorji, the grandson of Ayuka Khan who adopted the Christian name, Peter Taishin. Each conversion was motivated by political ambition to become the Kalmyk Khan. Kalmyk Tayishis, by contrast, were given salaries and towns and settlements were established for them and their ulus (Khodarkovsky, 1992:39).

Later on, the Tsarist government policy of encouraging Russian and German settlements along the Volga indirectly pressured Kalmyks to convert for economic reasons. The settlers took the most fertile land along the river, leaving barren lands for the Kalmyks to graze their herds. The resulting reduction of herds led to impoverishment for Kalmyk Tayishis, some of whom led their ulus to Christianity to obtain economic benefits.
To discourage the monastic lifestyle, the government required the building of permanent structures at government determined construction sites while imposing Russian architects (Pozdneev, 1914). This policy resulted in the suspension of Lamaist canonical regulations governing monastery construction and in Kalmyk temples resembling Russian Orthodox churches. For example, the Khoshutovsky Khurul is modeled after the Kazan Cathedral in St. Petersburg, Russia.

Other policies the Tsarist government implemented sought to gradually weaken the influence of the lamas. For instance, the government limited Kalmyk contact with Tibet. In addition, the Tsar began appointing the Šajin Lama (title of the High Lama of the Kalmyks). Further, the economic crises that resulted from settler encroachment forced many monasteries and temples to close and lamas to adopt a secularized lifestyle. The success of this policy is borne out by the decrease in the number of Kalmyk monasteries in the Volga region during the 19th century (Loewenthal, 1952 citing Riasanovsky, 1929).

Also, the Kalmyks were also deported by Stalin to Siberia. They also suffered the closure of Buddhist Temples. The US has its problems, but I as Muslim, I would rather live here than Russia. I have much less to fear here than there.

140 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:10:03pm

re: #128 jamesfirecat

I tried to figure out what he was saying, and gave up.

141 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:10:34pm

re: #137 Destro

Nice. One of the lies you picked up from Oliver Stone, I take it.

142 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:10:41pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

Well, there was the matter of Saddam’s persecution of the Marsh Arabs, and his destruction of their environment. But that was a wrong we helped right, so Destro won’t talk about it.

Did we have to kill so many Iraqis in the process?

143 Shvaughn  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:10:58pm

*looks around the thread, then carefully backs away*

144 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:11:39pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Lethal mustachios all.

Napoleon III always win rock-paper-mustachio.

145 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:11:42pm

re: #143 Shvaughn

*looks around the thread, then carefully backs away*

Post-CNN Stress Syndrome

146 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:13:09pm

I was really hoping for an elaboration on how exile to a Siberian GULAG is equivalent to confinement on a sovereign reservation. I’m sure the Indians would jump at the chance to go to Siberia, right?

147 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:13:29pm

re: #144 The Ghost of a Flea

Napoleon III always win rock-paper-mustachio.

Cucaracha man, myself

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

148 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:13:44pm

re: #139 ProBosniaLiberal

Muslims are better off in America than they are in many Muslim countries.

149 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:14:11pm

Like watching a snake eat its tail.

150 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:15:35pm

Change of subject! Finally saw my stabbed friend. He is very very lucky. They nipped his liver & small intestine. Surgery to repair & in the hospital for a week. Scarred for life both ways, but he’s home & on road to recovery thank dog.

So other than how horrible this all was, the interesting part was the newspaper reported that he was jumped by 4 Mexican gang members after being confronted outside the bar. Real story is 2 guys, one ex-marine were with him inside bar. They followed him out & tried to rob him. The bar & the other people there lied to cover themselves & let the guys leave. Using the good ‘ole So. Cal standard: Mexican Gang.

What a bunch of shit.

151 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:16:04pm

re: #139 ProBosniaLiberal

There are 2 factors in why Kalmyks stayed Buddhist.

a)The sheer size of the Russian Empire. Having to look over a massive area means less attention being paid to you, especially when the areas to your south are fighting for their very survival. (Of those, the Adyghe lost, and were slaughtered/deported. They mostly moved to Turkey and the Jordan Valley).

b)The incompetence and corruption of the Russian Empire and the Russian Orthodox Church.

152 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:16:05pm

re: #142 Destro

Did we have to kill so many Iraqis in the process?

No, we did not have to kill any Iraqis, invading Iraq was a mistake that the nation got roped into due to the bout of crazy paranoia that 9/11 kicked off and much delayed our tracking down of Osama… I do not think there is anyone who disagrees with this point of view on LGF’S at the moment, ho does it relate to the point you are trying to make since Iraq was never territorially close to the USA unlike the Indian nations or Chechnya to Russia…

153 Patricia Kayden  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:16:25pm

re: #3 Kid A

And people take this woman seriously.

Not really. How many people have even heard of her? She’s probably popular among Islamophobes (here and abroad), but otherwise not mainstream enough to be taken seriously. She’s no less extremist than Glenn Beck or Alex Jones.

But since I no longer watch CNN, I can’t say that she’s not someone they call on as an “expert” on issues concerning Muslims. The last time I recall seeing her on mainstream media was during the “Ground Zero Mosque” showdown a couple of years ago.

154 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:16:54pm

re: #150 Stanley Sea

Change of subject! Finally saw my stabbed friend. He is very very lucky. They nipped his liver & small intestine. Surgery to repair & in the hospital for a week. Scarred for life both ways, but he’s home & on road to recovery thank dog.

So other than how horrible this all was, the interesting part was the newspaper reported that he was jumped by 4 Mexican gang members after being confronted outside the bar. Real story is 2 guys, one ex-marine were with him inside bar. They followed him out & tried to rob him. The bar & the other people there lied to cover themselves & let the guys leave. Using the good ‘ole So. Cal standard: Mexican Gang.

What a bunch of shit.

Good for him. Hope the scars are someplace he can display at parties.

155 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:17:04pm

re: #148 Destro

You are really thick or missing the point, aren’t you?

Russia does not treat the non-Orthodox populations well.

156 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:17:49pm

Well, shit.

157 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:18:24pm

re: #156 Varek Raith

Well, shit.

It was ‘Bam”, and you’re days late.

158 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:18:25pm

Never thought I’d see someone actually defending the policies of Josef Stalin here, but clarification is always a good thing.

159 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:19:40pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

I was really hoping for an elaboration on how exile to a Siberian GULAG is equivalent to confinement on a sovereign reservation. I’m sure the Indians would jump at the chance to go to Siberia, right?

Let’s not pretend that the Indians weren’t utterly fucked over and expelled from their ancestral lands, the expulsion of the Dakota from Minnesota, the Trail of Tears, etc.

The point should be that one can’t use the shitty treatment of people to justify the shitty treatment of other people. Nobody actually interested in arguing on the basis of principles and logic does that.

160 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:19:44pm

Destro sees the world just as black and white as any wingnut I’ve seen.
Bravo!

161 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:20:31pm

That’s it. I’m done.

I’m not going to put up with people arguing in favor of Stalin’s monstrous deportations.

Done.

162 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:20:50pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

Let’s not pretend that the Indians weren’t utterly fucked over and expelled from there ancestral lands, the expulsion of the Dakota from Minnesota, the Trail of Tears, etc.

The point should be that one can’t use the shitty treatment of people to justify the shitty treatment of other people. Nobody actually interested in arguing on the basis of principles and logic does that.

Quite Concur.

163 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:20:59pm

Let’s see if I can sum it up.
The US treated American Indians like shit
Therefore,
Russia gets a pass at treating others like shit.
Or something.
That about it?

164 Patricia Kayden  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:21:27pm

re: #59 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Another day, another stupid abortion law struck down:

rawstory.com

The GOP is wasting so much money on this shit it’s ridiculous.

YAY!! Hope all such illegal, anti-reproductive right laws are struck down.

165 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:21:40pm
166 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:21:46pm

My head now hurts.

167 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:21:52pm

This is me, done.

168 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:21:55pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

Let’s not pretend that the Indians weren’t utterly fucked over and expelled from there ancestral lands, the expulsion of the Dakota from Minnesota, the Trail of Tears, etc.

The point should be that one can’t use the shitty treatment of people to justify the shitty treatment of other people. Nobody actually interested in arguing on the basis of principles and logic does that.

Oh, no, I’m not going to disagree with that. Indian history - as long and sordid a tale as it is - is ingrained into us from the start. I won’t even attempt to morally equivocate between the two atrocities, though. It’s absurd on its face.

169 jaunte  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:21:58pm

Well, that was just bizarre.

170 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:22:00pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Good for him. Hope the scars are someplace he can display at parties.

They are and he will no doubt. Made me lose my hunger though. Ewe.

171 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:22:35pm

re: #163 Varek Raith

Let’s see if I can sum it up.
The US treated American Indians like shit
Therefore,
Russia gets a pass at treating others like shit.
Or something.
That about it?

You’re not going to get an answer. Charles just triggered Destro’s wrist rockets and sent him flying out the door, never to return.

172 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:23:28pm

re: #163 Varek Raith

Let’s see if I can sum it up.
The US treated American Indians like shit
Therefore,
Russia gets a pass at treating others like shit.
Or something.
That about it?

////Every nation gets one free genocide but only one, and you have to find a new minority to pick when you do it, that’s why Germany’s was out of bounds Egypt had already called dibs not the Jews…


(Too mean/sick?)

173 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:23:52pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

amen as the girl child relation of a family of starved out Ukrainian family

174 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:24:09pm

Is it safe? Has the mess been swept up yet?

175 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:24:45pm

re: #173 DisturbedEma

The Holodomor, I am guessing?

176 klys  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:24:52pm

In an exercise of ignoring all derp today, I instead wrote up why more people should be really pissed off about the whole mess down in West, Texas. This was a tragedy waiting to happen and it really makes you wonder how many others out there are like it.

177 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:25:11pm

The whole Indian thing just touches a bit of a nerve because the Midwest was all Indian lands. We’re absolutely taught how crappy we treated them and they have every right to still be pissed off at us. But comparing it to Stalin, well, no, I’m sorry, that’s just freaking retarded.

178 thedopefishlives  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:25:22pm

And with that, I’m out for tonight. Later lizards.

179 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:25:56pm

re: #172 jamesfirecat

Sadly the Jews like me ave a default assumption of exclusion from/of consideration of our humanity

180 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:26:46pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

You’re not going to get an answer. Charles just triggered Destro’s wrist rockets and sent him flying out the door, never to return.

Clearly we do not realize who we are dealing with…

181 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:31:22pm

re: #175 ProBosniaLiberal

My maternal grandma my Bubbe was a last minute omg addition to an immigrant train- her family was not so lucky

182 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:34:10pm

I never thought it would be even remotely controversial to bring up the historical fact that Stalin’s and Russia’s treatment of the Chechnya region has been absolutely medieval.

183 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:34:21pm

re: #181 DisturbedEma

Her family stayed to try to build on the new world order- did not work out

184 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:37:12pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

before by Bubie died she said that -if you have to ask, you do not know

185 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:37:16pm

re: #150 Stanley Sea

Change of subject! Finally saw my stabbed friend. He is very very lucky. They nipped his liver & small intestine. Surgery to repair & in the hospital for a week. Scarred for life both ways, but he’s home & on road to recovery thank dog.

So other than how horrible this all was, the interesting part was the newspaper reported that he was jumped by 4 Mexican gang members after being confronted outside the bar. Real story is 2 guys, one ex-marine were with him inside bar. They followed him out & tried to rob him. The bar & the other people there lied to cover themselves & let the guys leave. Using the good ‘ole So. Cal standard: Mexican Gang.

What a bunch of shit.

I’m really really happy to hear he’s going to be okay. Thanks for dropping off some good news! ;)

186 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:37:30pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

I never thought it would be even remotely controversial to bring up the historical fact that Stalin’s and Russia’s treatment of the Chechnya region has been absolutely medieval.

It isn’t. You were just dealing with a particularly nasty sort of troll.

187 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:38:54pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

That’s it. I’m done.

I’m not going to put up with people arguing in favor of Stalin’s monstrous deportations.

Done.

Thank you. I’ve been hoping for that particular “This User Is Blocked” for quite a long time. The balance between the little good he brought vs the hate he spewed has long since been tipped the wrong way.

188 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:40:26pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

It isn’t. You were just dealing with a particularly nasty sort of troll.

If you caught all of Destro’s statements, he declared a family history much like Ema’s. We have not digested WWII, and we’ve gorged on half a dozen since.

189 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:41:16pm

Make no mistake - in their reaction to the Russian brutality, some Chechen Islamist groups have equaled or surpassed that brutality. But this is NO EXCUSE for Stalin’s horrific pogroms.

190 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:42:59pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

If you caught all of Destro’s statements, he declared a family history much like Ema’s.

But unlike her, he uses it as an excuse to support collective punishment of all groups he happens to dislike. In other words, FAIL.

191 AlexRogan  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:44:35pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

That’s it. I’m done.

I’m not going to put up with people arguing in favor of Stalin’s monstrous deportations.

Done.

*sound of toilet flushing*

You have the patience of a saint, Charles.

192 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:44:51pm
193 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:45:26pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

Internet security, how does if fucking work?

194 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:47:05pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Lethal mustachios all.

All incompetent military leaders as well.

195 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:49:46pm

re: #194 Romantic Heretic

All incompetent military leaders as well.

Ran into a website today that lists the 200 most deadly battles in history. Interestingly, it didn’t deem to divide the casualties into winners and losers.

196 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:50:10pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

Internet security, how does if fucking work?

Lets see what is a good password, something no one would guess, wait I have got it…. Drowssap!

197 alpuz  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:53:39pm

re: #196 jamesfirecat

Dammit. Thanks, I’m gonna be up all night.

198 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:57:13pm

re: #196 jamesfirecat

lol.

199 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 7:58:40pm

re: #196 jamesfirecat

Lets see what is a good password, something no one would guess, wait I have got it…. Drowssap!

Good thing i have a mirror on my forehead!!

(umm,, don;t ask!!))

200 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 8:05:29pm

Hacking isn’t funny. Until it is.

twitter.com

Win.

201 sagehen  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 8:40:46pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

I gotta say, it takes real balls to try to justify the murder of tens of thousands of people by saying, “Well, they could have been partisan rebels!”

WWII was so much harsher for the Soviets than for us, there’s no comparison.

They lost more than 25 million people, a full 15% of their population. Major cities under siege, people eating shoe leather and wallpaper paste to try to hold off starvation… and that counted as a win. Imagine how much more the devastation would have been if they’d lost.

I can’t be certain how moral or ethical I’d be if I was trying to lead people in such desperate circumstances.

202 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 8:49:08pm

re: #201 sagehen

WWII was so much harsher for the Soviets than for us, there’s no comparison.

They lost more than 25 million people, a full 15% of their population. Major cities under siege, people eating shoe leather and wallpaper paste to try to hold off starvation… and that counted as a win. Imagine how much more the devastation would have been if they’d lost.

I can’t be certain how moral or ethical I’d be if I was trying to lead people in such desperate circumstances.

Still not an excuse for what Stalin did.

203 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 9:21:55pm

Charles I have a small disagreement with your term Firehose of hate speech. I think it’s more like a salad shooter.

204 theye1  Sun, Apr 21, 2013 2:10:45am

re: #38 Destro

That was during WW2. You clearly mentioned the present Chechen secession attempt of the modern era.

[T]he old, sick, and the pregnant were declared ‘non-deportable’ and simply murdered. At one hospital in a provincial town sixty-two people were summarily executed. At the remote mountain village of Khaibakh, 700 people were herded inside a stable block, its windows boarded up, its doors locked, and the building set on fire. In the ensuing panic, people broke down the door, only to be machine-gunned. …

Many thousands of the Chechen deportees died on the three-week journey to Kazakhstan. … A quarter of those who survived the actual deportation died of hunger and cold within five years. The living were obliged to report to the police once a week, and the punishment for leaving their designated area was twenty years’ hard labor. After the disastrous harvests of 1946 and 1947 people were reduced to eating grass.

205 Buck  Sun, Apr 21, 2013 2:31:51pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

It’s not my day to argue with Destro or Buck.

No real reason to link me with Destro.

206 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 21, 2013 2:35:11pm

re: #205 Buck

No real reason to link me with Destro.

Today’s not my day, either.


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