This clip also features an interview with Alice Hoagland, mother of Mark Bingham (who was killed on United flight 93 on 9/11), talking about her own unpleasant experiences with 9/11 Truthers.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:14:25pm |
Shouldn’t that be ‘mainlining’ not ‘mainstreaming’?
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Kragar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:22:13pm |
Matt Drudge Promises “Year Of Alex Jones”
On April 23 Matt Drudge, owner and operator of the right-wing content aggregator The Drudge Report, tweeted that he “privately told friends” that 2013 would be the “year of Alex Jones.” Drudge has linked to the radio host and conspiracy-monger several times following the Boston Marathon bombings.
On his personal twitter feed, Drudge predicted that 2013 would be the “year of Alex Jones,” praising his show as “one hell of a broadcast in such homogenized media!” In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings, Drudge linked to articles on Jones’ website Infowars, including stories that called Boston a “police state” during the manhunt for the alleged perpetrators, and a post accusing the Obama administration of covering up the involvement of a Saudi student who was later declared a victim of the attack:
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:23:57pm |
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GeneJockey Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:25:57pm |
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Kragar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:26:12pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:28:29pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:28:42pm |
Robots that can kill everything around them: not that hard.
Robots that can distinguish between friend and foe: very hard.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:28:47pm |
Jeez. I watched and recorded President Obama’s speech at the memorial service at West, Texas 30 minutes ago.
It was beautiful, inspiring and very touching about West.
The Hoopster had to wipe tears away.
That never happens.
Thank you Mr. President for uplifting America.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:30:37pm |
re: #8 HoosierHoops
Jeez. I watched and recorded President Obama’s speech at the memorial service at West, Texas 30 minutes ago.
It was beautiful, inspiring and very touching about West.
The Hoopster had to wipe tears away.
That never happens.
Thank you Mr. President for uplifting America.
TaqquiUrkkk !!1!
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Kragar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:31:58pm |
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darthstar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:34:55pm |
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:37:20pm |
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Kragar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:38:41pm |
Preparing for our future Killer Robot overlords…
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:39:29pm |
re: #13 klys
I kind of love this guy so much. :)
Me too! Aren’t those pink socks great?!?
/oh, wait….
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:41:59pm |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:42:43pm |
Wait, what?
Did @barackobama thank #GWB for being instrumental in the capture of bin Laden? Since he comes from the classless Left, of course not! #TGDN— BreitTwit (@BreitTwit1) April 25, 2013
You mean, did he thank GW for totally dropping the ball on OBL so that Obama could take credit for the kill? Even though, of course, the wingnuts REFUSE to acknowledge that Obama had ANYTHING to do with the killing of OBL even as they give credit to GWB for single handedly capturing Saddam Hussein WHO HAD FREAKING NADA TO DO WITH 9/11.
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klys Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:42:56pm |
re: #11 darthstar
A friend of mine was just really mean and pointed out the line of Obama’s arm isn’t necessarily consistent with the bunny ears.
Which is a shame because I adore this.
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AlexRogan Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:43:04pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:43:57pm |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:44:17pm |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
Robots that can kill everything around them: not that hard.
Robots that can distinguish between friend and foe: very hard.
Ah, there was a book about that. The Positronic Man.
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gwangung Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:45:48pm |
re: #17 Vicious Babushka
Wait, what?
You mean, did he thank GW for totally dropping the ball on OBL so that Obama could take credit for the kill? (Even though, of course, the wingnuts REFUSE to acknowledge that Obama had ANYTHING to do with the killing of OBL even as they give credit to GWB for single handedly capturing Saddam Hussein WHO HAD FREAKING NADA TO DO WITH 9/11.
Since he did think GWB, the classless Right, of course, lies.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:47:06pm |
re: #17 Vicious Babushka
Wait, what?
You mean, did he thank GW for totally dropping the ball on OBL so that Obama could take credit for the kill? (Even though, of course, the wingnuts REFUSE to acknowledge that Obama had ANYTHING to do with the killing of OBL even as they give credit to GWB for single handedly capturing Saddam Hussein WHO HAD FREAKING NADA TO DO WITH 9/11.
Know what’s going to be in the Obama presidential library? Bin Laden’s hard disks.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:47:31pm |
re: #21 klys
Yeah. I will say: I still think it’s awesome that we have a president who is cool enough (and has a sense of humor!) that something like this seems completely legit at first glance.
Maybe if it were a fellow Democrat. But no way would Obama do something like this with GW Bush. Obama is smart enough to not pointlessly add to the list of RW nontroversies.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:47:58pm |
re: #17 Vicious Babushka
I don’t think any group that includes Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent, among many others, has the right to call anyone else classless.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:48:37pm |
re: #26 jaunte
I don’t think any group that includes Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent, among many others, has the right to call anyone else classless.
BTW this is the official “Breitbart” account.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:49:59pm |
re: #18 klys
A friend of mine was just really mean and pointed out the line of Obama’s arm isn’t necessarily consistent with the bunny ears.
Which is a shame because I adore this.
Pretty sure it’s a shop.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:51:21pm |
re: #26 jaunte
I don’t think any group that includes Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent, among many others, has the right to call anyone else classless.
Projection. One of the many talents of the modern US wingnut.
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Sarah Handel Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:53:18pm |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
Robots that can kill everything around them: not that hard.
Robots that can distinguish between friend and foe: very hard.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:58:22pm |
DERP FAIL
First this:
Gun Control is easy…..if you don’t like guns, don’t buy one. Now wasn’t that simple?#tcot #TGDN— ?Jeannie(@jeanniemcbride) April 25, 2013
Then this:
@roannasweet That is also simple, if you don’t want a baby, don;t have sex, or have protected sex. Strange concept for the Dems.— ?Jeannie(@jeanniemcbride) April 25, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:59:40pm |
Wingnuts really do want to ban sex they don’t approve of.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:00:19pm |
re: #31 Vicious Babushka
Much more to the point than yesterday’s troll —- straight to “keep yer legs crossed, slut”, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 dollars.
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klys Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:00:28pm |
re: #32 Vicious Babushka
Wingnuts really do want to ban sex they don’t approve of.
…pretty much.
(Edited because while I agree strongly, we don’t need me repeating things twice.)
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:01:53pm |
Yep.
Fully Endorsed GOP Birth Control Method. #WarOnWomen #p2 #CTL #UniteBlue #OFA #LibCrib #NARAL twitter.com/Dorian_Sage/st…— Dorian Sage (@Dorian_Sage) April 18, 2013
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Kragar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:06:08pm |
re: #31 Vicious Babushka
DERP FAIL
First this:
Nice to know he approves of universal access to birth control for all women.
/
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erik_t Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:06:20pm |
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GeneJockey Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:10:34pm |
re: #31 Vicious Babushka
So one presumes she supports Planned Parenthood, since cheap/free contraception is the best way to reduce abortion, right?
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:11:44pm |
re: #37 erik_t
Oh, I think they can have talents other than projection:
1) Ability to insert head so far up rectum that a mouth in mouth effect is achieved when speaking.
2) Invincible ignorance shields that can neutralize all intelligent thought in a twenty meter radius.
3) A cognitive dissonance engine capable of mindlessly following thought leaders like Rush Limbaugh while making noises about individual freedom and self-determination.
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klys Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:12:13pm |
re: #38 GeneJockey
So one presumes she supports Planned Parenthood, since cheap/free contraception is the best way to reduce abortion, right?
Nonsense. Only rich people who can afford to pay for their own contraception are allowed to have sex for pleasure.
//
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GeneJockey Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:14:55pm |
re: #40 klys
And the funny thing is, they think poor people shouldn’t have computers, phones, or TVs, so what else do they expect them to do for entertainment?
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klys Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:16:00pm |
re: #41 GeneJockey
Liberals are the REAL racists!
And the funny thing is, they think poor people shouldn’t have computers, phones, or TVs, so what else do they expect them to do for entertainment?
They’re not supposed to have time for entertainment, they’re too busy working 90 hours a week at their minimum wage jobs to pay for their gruel.
//
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GeneJockey Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:21:04pm |
re: #42 klys
Nonsense! Only middle-class kids wanting extra spending money work minimum wage jobs!
//
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:22:32pm |
re: #40 klys
Nonsense. Only rich people who can afford to pay for their own contraception are allowed to have sex for pleasure.
//
Nonsense. Only men, who don’t get pregnant and thus can run away from sexual responsibility, are allowed to have sex for pleasure.
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klys Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:23:09pm |
re: #44 The Ghost of a Flea
Nonsense. Only men, who don’t get pregnant and thus can run away from sexual responsibility, are allowed to have sex for pleasure.
With each other!
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GeneJockey Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:24:16pm |
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:25:23pm |
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gwangung Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:26:20pm |
re: #41 GeneJockey
And the funny thing is, they think poor people shouldn’t have computers, phones, or TVs, so what else do they expect them to do for entertainment?
And how else do they expect them to make a living?
Well, obviously, from physical labor. Any attempt to get a better situation is “just getting above their station.”
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:26:25pm |
re: #45 klys
With each other!
Men having sex with other men is contrary to natural law. After all, if a man gets penetrated by another man, he is acting as a woman, and the two neurons left in my brain short-circuit at that thought.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:26:34pm |
re: #18 klys
A friend of mine was just really mean and pointed out the line of Obama’s arm isn’t necessarily consistent with the bunny ears.
Which is a shame because I adore this.
Oh, it’s totally a photoshop, but don’t tell the wingnuts. Let ‘em go all splodey-head.
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thedopefishlives Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:31:22pm |
re: #44 The Ghost of a Flea
Nonsense. Only men, who don’t get pregnant and thus can run away from sexual responsibility, are allowed to have sex for pleasure.
Nonsense. Only men, whose place is at the head of the family and thus get to do anything they darn well please, are allowed to have sex for pleasure.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:31:43pm |
re: #48 gwangung
And how else do they expect them to make a living?
Well, obviously, from physical labor. Any attempt to get a better situation is “just getting above their station.”
It’s like wingnuts have read the description of the brutalization of the labor force and proletariat as in Marx, and decided that this dystopic vision is actually the promised land.
I honestly think we’ll see attempts to re-institute slavery in the US as a result of this kind of RW ideology. Halfway steps include incarcerating an enormous number of people, then seeking ways to force prisoners to ‘earn their keep’.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:33:48pm |
re: #52 thedopefishlives
Nonsense. Only men, whose place is at the head of the family and thus get to do anything they darn well please, are allowed to have sex for pleasure.
Except if the property in question (e.g., a woman or child) belongs to another man.
I’d put sarc tags on this, except that it is a summary of at least a thousand years of legal thinking in the Western world.
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GeneJockey Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:33:58pm |
re: #53 EPR-radar
It’s like wingnuts have read the description of the brutalization of the labor force and proletariat as in Marx, and decided that this dystopic vision is actually the promised land.
And as an added bonus, Free Market Fundamentalism tells its adherents that those brutalized workers DESERVE to be brutalized for not bettering themselves.
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klys Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:34:49pm |
re: #52 thedopefishlives
Nonsense. Only men, whose place is at the head of the family and thus get to do anything they darn well please, are allowed to have sex for pleasure.
It’s actually interesting to examine this concept of sex merely for procreation, because when you get down to it, the act of sex for procreation is still pleasurable for the guy. There’s no requirement for female orgasm in order to have a pregnancy result.
I don’t really have anywhere to go with this thought; it was just an interesting thought that jumped into my head.
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Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:35:11pm |
re: #31 Vicious Babushka
DERP FAIL
First this:
Because protection is totally 100% effective all the time…
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Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:36:30pm |
re: #53 EPR-radar
It’s like wingnuts have read the description of the brutalization of the labor force and proletariat as in Marx, and decided that this dystopic vision is actually the promised land.
I honestly think we’ll see attempts to re-institute slavery in the US as a result of this kind of RW ideology. Halfway steps include incarcerating an enormous number of people, then seeking ways to force prisoners to ‘earn their keep’.
I would argue that, in some respects, we still have slavery here in the U.S., it’s just not as overt as it once was. A lot of folks with a minimum wage job will attest to this.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:38:03pm |
Interesting new campaign tactic Sanford is using.
Mark Sanford Publishes Personal Phone Numbers Of Anyone Who Called His Campaign
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AlexRogan Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:39:17pm |
re: #53 EPR-radar
It’s like wingnuts have read the description of the brutalization of the labor force and proletariat as in Marx, and decided that this dystopic vision is actually the promised land.
I honestly think we’ll see attempts to re-institute slavery in the US as a result of this kind of RW ideology. Halfway steps include incarcerating an enormous number of people, then seeking ways to force prisoners to ‘earn their keep’.
That’s been happening for decades with “prison industries”.
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gwangung Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:39:54pm |
re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg
I would argue that, in some respects, we still have slavery here in the U.S., it’s just not as overt as it once was. A lot of folks with a minimum wage job will attest to this.
Any talk about social mobility is bound to be accused of being “socialistic.”
Yet, the Horatio Alger story, the quintessential American success story, is all ABOUT being socially mobile.
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AlexRogan Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:40:51pm |
re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth
Interesting new campaign tactic Sanford is using.
Mark Sanford Publishes Personal Phone Numbers Of Anyone Who Called His Campaign
What a shithead.
I hope Colbert demolishes him.
*knocks on wood*
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:41:45pm |
re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg
I would argue that, in some respects, we still have slavery here in the U.S., it’s just not as overt as it once was. A lot of folks with a minimum wage job will attest to this.
I agree entirely. But wage slavery, awful as it is, does not seem sufficient to satisfy wingnut urges for degradation of others.
It is worth remembering that the 13th amendment reads as follows:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
The prison-industrial complex, especially privatized prisons, will end up being slavery, if it is not there yet.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:47:02pm |
re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg
I would argue that, in some respects, we still have slavery here in the U.S., it’s just not as overt as it once was. A lot of folks with a minimum wage job will attest to this.
There’s a lot of shit that goes on in the migrant labor force that’s practically slavery. Some stuff is actually worse…a slave owner at least was maintaining a long-term investment. A migrant labor boss, not so much: if his workers, exposed to misapplied pesticides and herbicides, die of cancer or have kids with crippling/lethal health issues, it’s not a big thing.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:47:50pm |
re: #63 EPR-radar
I agree entirely. But wage slavery, awful as it is, does not seem sufficient to satisfy wingnut urges for degradation of others.
It is worth remembering that the 13th amendment reads as follows:
The prison-industrial complex, especially privatized prisons, will end up being slavery, if it is not there yet.
Since even prisoners have access to courts before and after sentencing, it will never be as bad as slavery. No one is born a prisoner.
Mind you, I think privatized prisons are unconscionable and should be illegal. And prison labor should be paid minimum wage. And minimum wage should be raised.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:48:57pm |
re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth
Interesting new campaign tactic Sanford is using.
Mark Sanford Publishes Personal Phone Numbers Of Anyone Who Called His Campaign
Everyone? Or just those who questioned his suitability to hold a public office? Either way, it is going to backfire on him big time.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:49:15pm |
re: #61 gwangung
Any talk about social mobility is bound to be accused of being “socialistic.”
Yet, the Horatio Alger story, the quintessential American success story, is all ABOUT being socially mobile.
Its a nice story. It even happens in real life (very rarely).
It wouldn’t do to have immutable class boundaries. That focuses altogether too much attention on the existence of the classes.
Instead, it is much more efficient (for capital) for the class boundaries to be almost but not quite immutable. A significant fraction of the most able and energetic people not already in the top class will work their tails off to try to succeed (its not impossible, after all, so putting in the effort may be rewarded).
The success stories are naturally newsworthy, and the failures not so much, so there is even a built-in mechanism to prevent people from appreciating just how long the odds are.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:49:22pm |
re: #64 The Ghost of a Flea
There’s a lot of shit that goes on in the migrant labor force that’s practically slavery. Some stuff is actually worse…a slave owner at least was maintaining a long-term investment. A migrant labor boss, not so much: if his workers, exposed to misapplied pesticides and herbicides, die of cancer or have kids with crippling/lethal health issues, it’s not a big thing.
Now we’re talkin’.
Bosses can also call La Migra just before payday. And sick people get deported.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:51:12pm |
re: #65 wrenchwench
Since even prisoners have access to courts before and after sentencing, it will never be as bad as slavery. No one is born a prisoner.
Mind you, I think privatized prisons are unconscionable and should be illegal. And prison labor should be paid minimum wage. And minimum wage should be raised.
Good points. I’d only add that if wingnut views are applied to prisoner rights and rights of the accused, the distinctions you’re making here become smaller than any reasonable person would like to see.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:53:07pm |
re: #68 wrenchwench
Now we’re talkin’.
Bosses can also call La Migra just before payday. And sick people get deported.
Have you read Tomatoland?
It’s not just about migrant labor, but one of the sections is devoted to migrant labor issues around the Florida tomato industry. It’s horrifying and infuriating.
One of things that’s brought up is that the worst cases of migrant worker abuse are actually prosecuted as violations of anti-slavery laws.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:54:34pm |
re: #69 EPR-radar
Good points. I’d only add that if wingnut views are applied to prisoner rights and rights of the accused, the distinctions you’re making here become smaller than any reasonable person would like to see.
They already are. But there’s still plenty of room to get worse, like whoever the fascist is that says we don’t need to pay for attorneys for the indigent. I think he’s on the Supreme Court, you know, a fringy wingnut.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:56:05pm |
re: #70 The Ghost of a Flea
Have you read Tomatoland?
It’s not just about migrant labor, but one of the sections is devoted to migrant labor issues around the Florida tomato industry. It’s horrifying and infuriating.
One of things that’s brought up is that the worst cases of migrant worker abuse are actually prosecuted as violations of anti-slavery laws.
Haven’t read it. I am, however, pre-horrified.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:59:25pm |
re: #72 wrenchwench
They already are. But there’s still plenty of room to get worse, like whoever the fascist is that says we don’t need to pay for attorneys for the indigent. I think he’s on the Supreme Court, you know, a fringy wingnut.
Scratch wingnut positions and they’re all based around encoding into law that there are greater and lesser types of people and citizen. Men versus women, Christians versus non-Christians, White people versus model minorities versus suspect minorities, makers versus takers….
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:01:26pm |
re: #74 The Ghost of a Flea
Scratch wingnut positions and they’re all based around encoding into law that there are greater and lesser types of people and citizen. Men versus women, Christians versus non-Christians, White people versus model minorities versus suspect minorities, makers versus takers….
The element of brute force to enforce this ‘natural order’ is also there, thinly veiled these days. (e.g., 1984 as instruction manual)
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:04:48pm |
re: #72 wrenchwench
They already are. But there’s still plenty of room to get worse, like whoever the fascist is that says we don’t need to pay for attorneys for the indigent. I think he’s on the Supreme Court, you know, a fringy wingnut.
But Scalia/Thomas/Alito can’t be wingnuts. They’re in a high office, write in complete sentences, and don’t wear “Morans” sandwich boards in public. //dripping
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Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:07:11pm |
Of course the migrant worker problem is acute.
If you have no documentation, you have minimal rights and little (if any) recourse to anything your employer does.
Businesses take big, BIG advantage of that.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:08:34pm |
re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth
Interesting new campaign tactic Sanford is using.
Mark Sanford Publishes Personal Phone Numbers Of Anyone Who Called His Campaign
Sanford also recently had a ‘debate’ with a cardboard cutout of Nancy Pelosi. It looks like he might actually find a way to lose in this R-leaning house district.
If so, good riddance.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:09:30pm |
re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg
Of course the migrant worker problem is acute.
If you have no documentation, you have minimal rights and little (if any) recourse to anything your employer does.
Businesses take big, BIG advantage of that.
Of course, this is the root cause for why we have a broken immigration system that ends up with millions of undocumented people in the US.
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Reflect Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:24:08pm |
Did I seriously just hear Alex Jones claim there was actually a moon landing, but that the one that we saw was a fake to cover up the real moon landing? What?!
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Kragar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:24:57pm |
Malkin links Grover Norquist to Boston Marathon bombing
“I think of course political correctness has always been the handmaiden of terrorism, on top of that political pandering, and unfortunately neither party has its hands completely free of this,” she told Sean Hannity while discussing the bombing suspects.
“If you go on my website right now, michellemalkin.com, I talk more about the first president of the mosque that the bombers attended, Abdurahman Alamoudi, who has ties to the GOP — and in particular Grover Norquist — that a lot of people in the establishment had never, never condemned,” Malkin added. “If this had been a liberal who was tied to it, everybody on the right would be screaming about it. So both parties, both establishments are guilty of not speaking up enough and not doing enough to stop these people.”
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GeneJockey Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:26:13pm |
re: #80 Reflect
That’s like saying that, when you sleep, everything in your house is replaced with an exact replica.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:26:50pm |
re: #80 Reflect
Did I seriously just hear Alex Jones claim there was actually a moon landing, but that the one that we saw was a fake to cover up the real moon landing? What?!
It all makes perfect sense once you factor in the fact that Jones is a fucking idiot.
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EPR-radar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:29:20pm |
re: #81 Kragar
I can’t get past that first line of “political correctness has always been the handmaiden of terrorism”. OK, Malkin has been a bigot and wingnut for her entire career, but has she always been this mind-numbingly stupid?
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Kragar Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:33:01pm |
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Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:36:06pm |
re: #85 Kragar
Mississippi high school forces students to attend Christian lectures
I really hate my state sometimes.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:58:43pm |
re: #84 EPR-radar
I can’t get past that first line of “political correctness has always been the handmaiden of terrorism”. OK, Malkin has been a bigot and wingnut for her entire career, but has she always been this mind-numbingly stupid?
Yes
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stabby Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:00:40pm |
re: #82 GeneJockey
That’s like saying that, when you sleep, everything in your house is replaced with an exact replica.
Steve Reich:
I came home one day and everything in my apartment had been stolen.
…
and replaced with an exact duplicate.
I went up to my roommate and said, “Hey, what gives? Everything in this apartment has been stolen and replaced with an exact duplicate!”
And he said …
“Do I know you?”
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GeneJockey Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:11:24pm |
re: #88 stabby
Nuts.
Caught trying to pass off Steven WRIGHT’s brilliance as my own. That’ll teach me to file the serial numbers off a joke…
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GeneJockey Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:13:21pm |
Further to last post:
To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research.
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stabby Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:26:40pm |
What Alice Hoagland started to say but, seemed a bit too nervous to quite get out is that she seemed to be drawing a parallel between conspiracy theories and Islamist radicalization.
That when Tamerlan Tsarnaev went out on the internet and became radicalized, the sort of sites he was reading, the sorts of thought processes he was engaging in had some similarity to the crap that people like Alex Jones are pushing.
I tried to suggest the same, yesterday I think it was, and the response was Obdicut saying that my intuition “isn’t worth a cup of warm spit” and a touch of usual ding circus of LGF pcers.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:33:28pm |
re: #92 stabby
What Alice Hoagland started to say but, seemed a bit too nervous to quite get out is that she seemed to be drawing a parallel between conspiracy theories and Islamist radicalization.
That when Tamerlan Tsarnaev went out on the internet and became radicalized, the sort of sites he was reading, the sorts of thought processes he was engaging in had some similarity to the crap that people like Alex Jones are pushing.
I tried to suggest the same, yesterday I think it was, and the response was Obdicut saying that my intuition “isn’t worth a cup of warm spit” and a touch of usual ding circus of LGF pcers.
There’s a parallel in that both are things that people can do on their own, but there’s not even just one way that people get into conspiracy theories, either. So you’re just kind of wrong again now, in a new and different way.
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stabby Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:40:45pm |
re: #93 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
You’re so conceited.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:42:01pm |
re: #94 stabby
You’re so conceited.
That’s cool, man. Do you understand what I’m saying? You keep trying to say that these people are the same, and they’re not. Two conspiracy theorists might be conspiracy theorists for entirely different reasons. You have this tendency to want to smush everything together, and you wind up saying a lot of silly stuff because of it.
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stabby Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:58:41pm |
You don’t have any theory about what makes people tick at all, you’re just trying to prevent other people from having theories. You’re trying to prevent reasoning about Islamism.
You say that one set of conspiracists aren’t like another set, but you have no classifications in mind distinguishing the two, nor any reason to claim that your classifications are important.
All I see when I look at you is a puffed up man, blowing smoke, trying to keep other people from talking or thinking.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Thu, Apr 25, 2013 6:04:32pm |
re: #96 stabby
You don’t have any theory about what makes people tick at all, you’re just trying to prevent other people from having theories. You’re trying to prevent reasoning about Islamism.
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No, this is really demonstrably untrue. I think that we can pick out a lot of what makes people tick, as it were, and that it depends heavily on stuff like their background. This is why comparing a guy who self-radicalized in the US to an Al Queda guy over in Afghanistan is just dumb.
You say that one set of conspiracists aren’t like another set, but you have no classifications in mind distinguishing the two, nor any reason to claim that your classifications are important.
Oh, well, for example, there are conspiracy theorists for whom it is an outgrowth of a personal paranoia. They are actually measurably paranoid, and they often believe the conspiracies are aware of them or of people like them and hostile to them. They are usually also unhappy, and sometimes even depressive.
Then there are conspiracy theorists who are enthusiastic about their subject, be it UFOs or bigfoot or aliens or what have you, but they think it’s an nifty secret, a hidden treasure only accessible to the enlightened. They get genuine pleasure from their hobby, and they are, actually, quite happy. Deluded, but happy.
Do you see how conflating those two obviously disparate groups is silly?
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Thu, Apr 25, 2013 6:05:25pm |
re: #97 stabby
Your argument is “shut up!” which is never one I respect.
:)
Again, this is demonstrably untrue. My argument is what it is— I’ve laid it out several times. If you want to argue against it, feel free, or you can continue simply riding the irony rocket.
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Mich-again Thu, Apr 25, 2013 7:28:32pm |
I have long been an aficionado of the cult of conspiracy theories. My take: There are crackpots on both sides but more of them on the right. The common trait is a desire to have private knowledge, to have access to information that is out of the public realm. They tend to aspire to be the “Town Crier” type who can’t wait to inform other people of this insider information so that they will seem smarter than they actually are to the people around them. Oh and they really hate to be debunked with facts and reason because they take the bait every time but eventually put themselves into checkmate and lose all credibility.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 25, 2013 7:31:13pm |
re: #96 stabby
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The troll says what?
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stabby Thu, Apr 25, 2013 7:37:50pm |
re: #102 Mich-again
A distinction I was riffing on is the one between paranoia that has an actual threat as its object and simply exaggerates, and paranoia that imagines threats where there can be none.
The Islamophobes aren’t imagining that Islamism is a threat. 9/11 happened. I remember (but will probably get his name wrong) an American Muslim who went to work for Lashkar-e-taiba, one of the most brutal terrorist organizations in the world (he was arrested when he got back to this country from Kashmir). So even the claim that our Muslims can become terrorists is not mere delusion.
I think that’s different from believing that the FBI blew up the Boston Marathon.
There’s a difference between cowardice and delusion. My suggestion the other day is that delusion is deliberate, that people who imagine enemies where there can be no enemies are pretending. They’re seeking safe excitement. And I think that dangerous radicals may have the same psychology and even the same beliefs.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 25, 2013 7:52:09pm |
re: #104 stabby
A distinction I was riffing on is the one between paranoia that has an actual threat as its object and simply exaggerates, and paranoia that imagines threats where there can be none.
The Islamophobes aren’t imagining that Islamism is a threat. 9/11 happened. I remember (but will probably get his name wrong) an American Muslim who went to work for Lashkar e tabia, one of the most brutal terrorists organizations in the world (he was arrested when he got back to this country from Kashmir). So even the claim that our Muslims can become terrorists is not mere delusion.
I think that’s different from believing that the FBI blew up the Boston Marathon.
There’s a difference between cowardice and delusion. My suggestion the other day is that delusion is deliberate, that people who imagine enemies where there can be no enemies are pretending. They’re seeking safe excitement. And I think that dangerous radicals may have the same psychology and even the same beliefs.
Sometimes they want safe excitement, but sometimes what happens is that the person is so consumed by hate and anger that it overwhelms their faculties.
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Mich-again Thu, Apr 25, 2013 8:47:10pm |
re: #104 stabby
The Islamophobes aren’t imagining that Islamism is a threat. 9/11 happened…
I think that’s different from believing that the FBI blew up the Boston Marathon.
Okay but when people go so far as to say Islam should be banned or that we should no longer accept Muslim immigrants into the USA then they are on the nutty scale right next to the people who think the Boston Marathon bombing was an FBI operation.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Fri, Apr 26, 2013 2:46:14am |
re: #104 stabby
There’s a difference between cowardice and delusion. My suggestion the other day is that delusion is deliberate, that people who imagine enemies where there can be no enemies are pretending. They’re seeking safe excitement. And I think that dangerous radicals may have the same psychology and even the same beliefs.
And this should show you why it’s so deeply, deeply wrong to think a radical Muslim in the Middle East— where real enemies abound— is the same thing as a self-radicalized dude in the US. He had no enemies here. He created them.
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CriticalDragon1177 Fri, Apr 26, 2013 7:24:51am |
Charles Johnson,
Rachel Maddow did an excellent job with this. Its amazing all the paranoia out there.
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stabby Fri, Apr 26, 2013 9:55:10am |
re: #107 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Saudis teach their young children to hate Jews, people who were kicked out of their country 1400 years ago.
It’s the same everywhere in the Middle East, people mostly hate enemies who are far away, civilized and safe, not the people who actually threaten them.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:44:24pm |
re: #109 stabby
Saudis teach their young children to hate Jews, people who were kicked out of their country 1400 years ago.
It’s the same everywhere in the Middle East, people mostly hate enemies who are far away, civilized and safe, not the people who actually threaten them.
There’s a lot of antisemitic propaganda in the Middle East. Which is why theorizing that Tamerlane is the same as a Jihadi from Saudi Arabia is really silly.
Saying ‘it’s the same everywhere in the Middle East’ gets broadbrushy and paternalistic, but that’s nothing new.
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