Nightmare Debt-Default Scenario Looks More Likely Every Day

A government shutdown is the least of our worries.
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This post originally appeared at NationalMemo.com.

Senator Ted Cruz’s (R-TX) fake filibuster is over.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) opposes the letting the junior senator actually filibuster the bill before the Senate, as does Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-TX). That means the junior senator got a lot of attention, but he probably doesn’t have the 41 votes he needs to stop the bill that funds the government without defunding Obamacare from heading back to the House.

If everything goes correctly, and the House doesn’t make any changes to the bill, the president should have a bill to sign by Monday that keeps the government funded, averting a shutdown.

And that’s when the real trouble could begin.

Congress still needs to raise the debt limit before the Department of Treasury runs out of money to pay its own bills sometime in the middle of October. House Republicans are preparing a list of things they want in exchange for authorizing the payment of debts they’ve already approved:

The Washington Examiner’s David M. Drucker explains:

The package that House GOP leaders plan to unveil when their members return to Washington late Wednesday will be anchored by proposals to simultaneously raise the federal borrowing limit and delay for a year further implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Additionally, the legislation would likely include a collection of previously introduced bills popular among House Republicans and difficult for Obama to dominate, including construction of the job-rich Keystone XL pipeline.

The debt-ceiling package, set for a House vote by week’s end, could include a variety of GOP-friendly economic proposals, including tax reform, Medicare means testing, medical liability reform, an overhaul of the federal employee retirement system, elimination of the Dodd-Frank bailout, the easing of Environmental Protection Agency rules, restrictions on federal regulators and an expansion of offshore energy production.

And President Obama has already explained what he’s willing to give: Nothing.

The president negotiated with House Republicans in 2011 over the debt limit and feels that he sparked a dangerous precedent.

“We’re not going to set up a situation where the full faith and credit of the United States is put on the table every year or every year and a half and we go through some terrifying financial brinksmanship,” Obama said earlier this month. “It would fundamentally change how American government functions.”

Defaulting on our debt is infinitely more dangerous to our economy than a financial crisis. It’s also a much more nebulous concept that Americans don’t understand, largely because it had never been debated before 2011, when that debate cost taxpayers $19 billion and sent global stock markets into a tizzy.

A default of any sort would almost certainly lead to a financial crisis.

Here’s where Ted Cruz comes in. Having had his “Defund Obamacare” plot summarily dismissed by the GOP leadership, he’ll likely try to get House Republicans to reject or at least alter the Senate bill that keeps the government open. If that fails, the Tea Party base that Cruz and his colleague Mike Lee (R-UT) spent all summer riling up will be demanding a fight — even though they’ll likely have won huge concessions from the Democrats on spending.

The pressure to have a massive battle will be immense and the debt limit will be the only thing left to battle over.

That’s why I said earlier in this week that a shutdown would be preferable to a debt limit fight.

New York Magazine’s Jonathan Chait believes President Obama has no incentive to compromise on the debt limit. “Terrible though it may be, a default may actually be necessary to preserve the Constitutional structure of American government and the rest of Obama’s presidency,” Chait wrote on Tuesday.

His argument is that the president has put his credibility on the line by saying he will not negotiate. And if he doesn’t reject Republican demands this time, they’ll keep coming and a default will be inevitable.

The president does have another option, as readers of The National Memo may remember.

In 2011, President Bill Clinton said he would raise the debt limit on his own and “force the courts to stop me.”

“I think the Constitution is clear and I think this idea that the Congress gets to vote twice on whether to pay for [expenditures] it has appropriated is crazy,” Clinton told our Joe Conason.

The Constitution clearly says that public debt “shall not be questioned.” President Obama has rejected this so-called “Constitutional option.

But if he’s serious about not negotiating, he should reconsider that position. Americans with jobs, houses and 401(k)s might appreciate it.

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405 comments
1 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:19:34am

If the President says he will keep borrowing without a debt limit increase that takes the pressure off of Congress to raise the debt limit. They can appease the Teahadists by not increasing the debt limit, secure in the knowledge that the President will bail them out, then act outraged when he bails them out. Better he keep that option up his sleeve, make Congress do its job, and only exercise that option if Congress is irresponsible enough to fail.

2 celticdragon  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:21:08am

So instead of our dystopic Blade Runner future, the GOP now wants to switch track to a dystopic post apocalyptic Road Warrior future where the world capitals have burned down and we are all being chased by punk biker gangs.

Count me out, please…

3 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:51:29am

Where is the share button?

4 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:53:39am

I’m getting so fucking tired of this obstructionist horseshit.

5 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:58:12am

If those fuckers shut down the government. I’m going to be pissed. All their bullshit about how the president doesn’t care about jobs. What about those of us trying to get federal jobs you twits and if I have to hear how “I’m not a real worker” because I’ll be serving my government, I’m going to go apeshit. Federal workers work as hard as private sector employees.

6 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:00:08am

Honestly? Let the GOP take us to the edge of default and POTUS raise the debt limit on his own anyway. If the Full Faith and Credit of the US “shall not be questioned”, that’s pretty unambiguous language. Let the courts sort it out and put an end to this obstructionist bullshit from the GOP once and for all.

I’m tired of these teabagger assholes holding the entire US economy hostage because they lost in 2008 and 2012. I’d hate it just as much if the Dems pulled anything like this obstructionist crap. End it once and for all by forcing the courts to acknowledge that the Constitution says our debts will not be questioned. Period.

7 b.d.  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:00:25am

Mint the damn coin.

8 Skip Intro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:01:27am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

If those fuckers shut down the government. I’m going to be pissed. All their bullshit about how the president doesn’t care about jobs. What about those of us trying to get federal jobs you twits.

Well, if Obama would just give in to their extortionist demands, including putting off the implementation of the ACA for a year, they have promised they won’t try to shut down the government again until 2014.

In Wingnuttia, it’s Obama who’s the irresponsible one, not Tailgunner Cruz and his band of terrorists.

9 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:01:56am

A list of GOP Demands…

c9.nrostatic.com

10 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:04:06am

re: #9 Kragar

A list of GOP Demands…

c9.nrostatic.com

Jesus.
Ransom.

11 piratedan  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:04:30am

The GOP…. borrowing their government style straight from National Lampoon:

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12 b.d.  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:05:39am

re: #9 Kragar

A list of GOP Demands…

c9.nrostatic.com

They left off English as the official language, that’s about the onnly thing I can see missing from their wish list.

13 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:06:36am

re: #10 Varek Raith

Jesus.
Ransom.

I think that they forgot they lost the last election.

14 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:06:36am

re: #10 Varek Raith

Jesus.
Ransom.

Ransom which doesnt pass the 14th Amendment, Section 4 test:

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

It’s pretty damn clear, I think.

15 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:06:45am

re: #9 Kragar

They want to delay to coincide with the elections in 2014, when they think they’ll have a better chance of repealing outright. All part of the delay, defund, and destroy campaign.

The hodgepodge of demands shows that they’re throwing everything and the kitchen sink in.

Heck, while they’re at it, they should demand another season of Firefly, Arrested Development, and a sequel to Honey Boo Boo.

16 piratedan  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:07:12am

re: #9 Kragar

A list of GOP Demands…

c9.nrostatic.com

what? No hot and cold running hookers and a lifetime supply of Cuban cigars and keeping Rush flush with Oxycontin wasn’t on the list?

17 erik_t  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:07:27am

re: #13 Kragar

I think that they forgot they lost the last election.

Elections have consequences — for the full faith and credit of the United States of America, apparently.

18 piratedan  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:08:13am

re: #15 lawhawk

I doubt that there’s any Browncoats amongst them…. Brown Shirts however…..

19 I Subscribed!  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:08:15am

re: #1 aagcobb

Plus if he does it that way, it’s an emergency measure to avert a global crisis caused by Republicans, not an evil overreach (although that’s the way they’ll try to spin it).

20 piratedan  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:09:46am

re: #19 I Subscribed!

Plus if he does it that way, it’s an emergency measure to avert a global crisis caused by Republicans, not an evil overreach (although that’s the way they’ll try to spin it).

if he goes that route, expect the impeachment machine to be turned up to 11, which would be a popcorn worthy event.

21 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:11:16am

Bryan Fischer, Constitutional Scholar

22 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:11:46am
23 I Subscribed!  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:11:48am

re: #20 piratedan

if he goes that route, expect the impeachment machine to be turned up to 11, which would be a popcorn worthy event.

Popcorn washed down with tears — we really can’t afford that kind of crap. Not that Congress has been doing anything but vote on repealing the ACA anyway.

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:11:59am

Always nice to see your paycheck is going to be MORE than you anticipated. Yay for overtime!

25 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:12:27am

re: #21 Kragar

Bryan Fischer, Constitutional Scholar

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Uh, so by that standard, cities have the right to imprison Christians for being Christians. Surely that would be constitutional right Mr. Derptard?

26 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:13:15am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Uh, so by that standard, cities have the right to imprison Christians for being Christians. Surely that would be constitutional right Mr. Derptard?

No, because America is a Christian country.
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27 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:13:36am

Somehow I don’t think Fischer would be defending the constiutionality of a city that had an Islamic crescent as part of their crest but hey Christians should have special priviliges but they’re also latter day Jim Crow.

28 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:14:19am

re: #2 celticdragon

So instead of our dystopic Blade Runner future, the GOP now wants to switch track to a dystopic post apocalyptic Road Warrior future where the world capitals have burned down and we are all being chased by vaguely homoerotic, leather-clad S&M punk biker gangs.

Count me out, please…

Bryan Fischer’s dream come true.

29 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:14:29am
30 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:14:42am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Uh, so by that standard, cities have the right to imprison Christians for being Christians. Surely that would be constitutional right Mr. Derptard?

The 14th amendment, which makes the bill of rights binding on state/local jurisdictions, is one of those pesky Civil War amendments that Bryan Fischer ignores until he is ready to push for its repeal.

31 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:14:53am

re: #21 Kragar

What further need have we of courts and opinions? Bryan is the Decider. //

32 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:16:22am

re: #22 Kragar

Budget scholar, too, apparently. /

33 Skip Intro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:16:51am

re: #12 b.d.

They left off English as the official language, that’s about the onnly thing I can see missing from their wish list.

They need to have something for next year. I expect that they’ll add total privatization of Social Security, a 10% cut in SNAP, a 10% increase in military spending, and a new Voter Rights Act that corrects all of the deficiencies in current law that causes them to lose elections.

35 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:19:05am
36 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:22:14am
37 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:22:15am

re: #10 Varek Raith

Jesus.
Ransom.

Nah, a suicide note. “You wouldn’t give us what we wanted, so we committed seppuku via default. And it’s all your fault!”

38 I Subscribed!  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:23:24am

re: #37 Targetpractice

Nah, a suicide note. “You wouldn’t give us what we wanted, so we committed seppuku via default. And it’s all your fault!”

Yes, please.

39 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:24:42am

re: #37 Targetpractice

Nah, a suicide note. “You wouldn’t give us what we wanted, so we committed seppuku via default. And it’s all your fault!”

“One step closer and the nation gets it!”

40 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:29:00am

Hell, if Obama raises the debt ceiling on his own, I’ll forgive people pronouncing it the new-kew-lerr option.

41 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:31:09am

re: #36 Kragar

The thin line separating Fox News from Alex Jones is fraying.

Fox News Analyst: UN Arms Treaty Is ‘World Government’ Plot for ‘Controlling All of Us’

He’s a gentleman and a scholar, except for the fact that TREATIES DON’T WORK THAT WAY. We can sign any damn thing that we want at the UN and it doesn’t mean squat until we ratify it.

42 gwangung  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:32:37am

re: #41 Lidane

He’s a gentleman and a scholar, except for the fact that TREATIES DON’T WORK THAT WAY. We can sign any damn thing that we want at the UN and it doesn’t mean squat until we ratify it.

And this particular treaty, I think, is for INTERNATIONAL arms flow, and not for anything internal.

43 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:32:40am

re: #41 Lidane

He’s a gentleman and a scholar, except for the fact that TREATIES DON’T WORK THAT WAY. We can sign any damn thing that we want at the UN and it doesn’t mean squat until we ratify it.

They’ve got covered.

“That is guaranteed in the Second Amendment, and a treaty cannot trump an expressed guarantee in the Constitution,” Napolitano explained.

But the discussion quickly veered into conspiracy theory as host Brian Kilmeade interrupted: “Until we get that world government.

44 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:33:37am

Have to agree with the WashPost’s wonks, the House GOP’s bill is a cry for help, but it’s Boehner doing the crying as he basically pleads with Obama to save his ass yet again. That if he won’t offer him repeal or defund, at least agree to a delay so that the angry children may be assuaged for another year. And if he gets more in the deal, even if its just signing off on Keystone, then so much the better.

45 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:34:00am

re: #42 gwangung

And this particular treaty, I think, is for INTERNATIONAL arms flow, and not for anything internal.

For now…

Youtube Video

46 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:34:44am

Three cats back from the vet, no scratches to anyone. One has a heart murmur, but she cautioned that could be in part that he was freaked and it was going fast. Since he has to go back for some dental work, they’ll be able to double check then.

Otherwise everyone is now up to date on shots and for the most part weights are stabilized (although the whale needs to lose a bit).

47 I Subscribed!  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:36:26am

re: #40 darthstar

Hell, if Obama raises the debt ceiling on his own, I’ll forgive people pronouncing it the new-kew-lerr option.

HEY WAIT A MINUTE! I mean there are limits!

48 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:36:32am
49 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:39:10am

re: #48 Kragar

White House responds to GOP Demands

All That Was Missing From GOP’s Debt Limit Demands Was A ‘Birther Bill’

Remember that a couple GOP aides have cautioned that this isn’t even the final bill. Who knows what other candy will be put in the bowl before it goes to the floor.

50 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:40:43am

re: #49 Targetpractice

Remember that a couple GOP aides have cautioned that this isn’t even the final bill. Who knows what other candy will be put in the bowl before it goes to the floor.

“We demand that every one be given an AR-15 and that Christians are allowed to kick Gays out of their homes and claim them as their own.”
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51 brennant  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:41:41am

This pile of crap is clear indication of how weak they think the President is.

52 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:42:47am

re: #48 Kragar

White House responds to GOP Demands

All That Was Missing From GOP’s Debt Limit Demands Was A ‘Birther Bill’

I just continue to be amazed that we are supposed to take the GOP seriously when they do shit like this.

53 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:43:35am

A constitutional scholar AND a historian. Who knew?

54 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:44:31am

re: #51 brennant

This pile of crap is clear indication of how weak they think the President is.

It’s mostly a reflection of how delusional they are.

55 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:44:32am

re: #53 Lidane

A constitutional scholar AND a historian. Who knew?

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And he’s equally good at both!

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56 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:44:33am

GOP’s Dangerous Debt Limit Demand: A Christmas Tree Of Conservative Goodies

talkingpointsmemo.com

A draft of the GOP leadership’s proposal to lift the debt ceiling through December 2014 is circulating and it’s the equivalent of a letter to Santa for the party’s base.

The bill, obtained by the National Review, tacks on items including a one-year delay of Obamacare; tax reform in the image of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI); approval of the Keystone pipeline; expanded offshore drilling and other pro-oil and coal energy reforms; increases in military spending coupled with deeper cuts to domestic programs; repealing a fund in the financial regulatory reform bill; means testing for Medicare; repealing the Obamacare prevention and public health fund and medical malpractice reform.

57 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:46:08am

re: #34 Kragar

Man, someone REALLY hates Pink Floyd!

58 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:46:14am

re: #53 Lidane

A constitutional scholar AND a historian. Who knew?

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*Hovers over Barton’s estate in a Star Destroyer*

59 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:46:59am

re: #53 Lidane

” you’ve got a right to defend yourself with the same size of weapons that might be brought against you … You have a right to fight back with whatever you can get your hands on to defend your life, your property, your possession, your family, your whatever.”

Obviously I need a Warlord class Battle Titan.

60 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:47:02am

re: #56 Carlos Danger

GOP’s Dangerous Debt Limit Demand: A Christmas Tree Of Conservative Goodies

talkingpointsmemo.com

Obama should take a copy of their bill, dump it in a garbage can and set it on fire, saying that’s what their laundry list is worth to him.

61 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:47:37am

re: #58 Varek Raith

*Hovers over Barton’s estate in a Star Destroyer*

AT&T logo on the side?

/

62 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:48:02am

re: #59 Kragar

” you’ve got a right to defend yourself with the same size of weapons that might be brought against you … You have a right to fight back with whatever you can get your hands on to defend your life, your property, your possession, your family, your whatever.”

Obviously I need a Warlord class Battle Titan.

He does not know the can of worms he just opened, does he???
:evilgrin:

63 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:49:04am

If I get a… large pool, can I haz the USS Iowa in it?

64 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:49:25am

These antics, the GOP remind me of a group of petulant children.

It’s sort of like a grown up version of that old trick where you ask someone something repeatedly as often as possible in the hopes that eventually they’ll cave and give it to you just to get you to shut up and go away (“Can we have a pool, dad?”, “Can we have a pool, dad?” “Can we have a pool, dad?”).

Only this time they seem to be oblivious to the fact that Obama is simply NOT going to cave.

65 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:49:25am
66 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:50:01am

*begins making plans to get the Starship Enterprise into his backyard*

67 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:50:09am
68 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:50:25am

re: #62 Varek Raith

JAS 39 NG, here I come!

69 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:51:16am

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

These antics, the GOP remind me of a group of petulant children.

It’s sort of like a grown up version of that old trick where you ask someone something repeatedly as often as possible in the hopes that eventually they’ll cave and give it to you just to get you to shut up and go away (“Can we have a pool, dad?”, “Can we have a pool, dad?” “Can we have a pool, dad?”).

Only this time they seem to be oblivious to the fact that Obama is simply NOT going to cave.

I hope Obama doesn’t cave in to them. Personally, I wouldn’t, and I’d get on TV and say, “The United States doesn’t negotiate with terrorists.”

70 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:51:42am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

emilio porompompero jumps the shark.

71 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:52:18am
72 chadu  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:52:36am

re: #48 Kragar

White House responds to GOP Demands

All That Was Missing From GOP’s Debt Limit Demands Was A ‘Birther Bill’

Oh, crapcakes on fire. If Carney’s joking about that, the President and the WH staff must be really pissed.

73 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:52:56am
74 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:53:02am

re: #53 Lidane

A constitutional scholar AND a historian. Who knew?

Yeah. And an Abrams Tank, and a bazooka, and a F-16 because you’ve got a right to defend yourself with the same size of weapons that might be brought against you … You have a right to fight back with whatever you can get your hands on to defend your life, your property, your possession, your family, your whatever.
rightwingwatch.org

Where the fuck in the Constitution does it say that??!

75 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:53:43am

Obviously, Barton does not hold with the “monopoly on violence” model of political theory.

76 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:55:33am

Since we’re having yet another 2nd amendment discussion, I’m curious. The language reads “The right of the people to keep and bear arms”.

In my opinion, “Bearing arms” would be if a hostile intruder comes on my property and I appear on the porch with a shotgun and say: “Get the hell off of my lawn…NOW” and it would NOT be waltzing into Starbucks with an AR-15 strapped to my back.

77 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:55:36am

re: #74 Dr. Matt

Where the fuck in the Constitution does it say that??!

Right next to where it says marriage is between a man and a woman and that the US is a Christian nation.

78 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:56:27am

re: #77 Kragar

I was literally TWO seconds away from posting the same thing. Well played.

79 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:56:48am

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Since we’re having yet another 2nd amendment discussion, I’m curious. The language reads “The right of the people to keep and bear arms”.

In my opinion, “Bearing arms” would be if a hostile intruder comes on my property and I appear on the porch with a shotgun and say: “Get the hell off of my lawn…NOW” and it would NOT be waltzing into Starbucks with an AR-15 strapped to my back.

Youtube Video

80 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:57:29am

If the Fundamentalist’s were running a tough campaign against the Sane in Iran, how would we react?

How come people don’t seem to be able to see that it’s happening here?

81 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:59:15am

re: #80 FemNaziBitch

If the Fundamentalist’s were running a tough campaign against the Sane in Iran, how would we react?

How come people don’t seem to be able to see that it’s happening here?

Cognitive bias.

82 gwangung  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:59:43am

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Since we’re having yet another 2nd amendment discussion, I’m curious. The language reads “The right of the people to keep and bear arms”.

In my opinion, “Bearing arms” would be if a hostile intruder comes on my property and I appear on the porch with a shotgun and say: “Get the hell off of my lawn…NOW” and it would NOT be waltzing into Starbucks with an AR-15 strapped to my back.

If they want to play that way, then they are personally liable and responsible for any effects that reach past their property. You take out an intruder with your bazooka, but also kill your neighbor, you’re guilty of manslaughter or 2nd degree murder.

83 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:00:12am

re: #72 chadu

Oh, crapcakes on fire. If Carney’s joking about that, the President and the WH staff must be really pissed.

I’m seriously waiting for Carney to take the GOP bill and publicly shred it or burn it. That’s the next step.

84 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:00:30am

re: #51 brennant

This pile of crap is clear indication of how weak they think the President is.

Nah, it’s a clear indication of just how weak Boehner really is, that he has to lard up this bill as much as possible in the hopes of getting enough votes to pass it. He doesn’t want a replay of his “Plan B” from back in December.

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:01:42am

re: #82 gwangung

If they want to play that way, then they are personally liable and responsible for any effects that reach past their property. You take out an intruder with your bazooka, but also kill your neighbor, you’re guilty of manslaughter or 2nd degree murder.

That’s already the case. A gun owner using a firearm in their house needs to be very aware of where the bullet ends up. In an apartment building, for example, it could be two or more apartments away. Over penetration is a serious problem.

86 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:01:59am

re: #80 FemNaziBitch

How come people don’t seem to be able to see that it’s happening here?

I see what’s happening, but you’d be amazed at how much of a blinder religious faith and self-concept can be - I’ve really been dismayed at the number of wingnuts on another non-political forum I belong to. They seemed like reasonable, intelligent people, but holy FSM are they ever batshit when it comes to religion/politics. One extolled the virtues of Biblical slavery, and another claimed that, because children can also drown in swimming pools, we shouldn’t have any regulations on guns unless we ban swimming pools as well o_O

The only conclusion I can draw is, these people see non-wingnut views as a direct threat to their self-worth and religious identity. That’s why they’re so easy for creeps like beck and limbaugh to deceive and swindle.

87 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:02:03am

To properly illustrate their positions, all members of the GOP in congress will be arriving at work in one small car and then come tumbling out at they parade into the building.

88 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:02:41am

Well, I believe Canada is officially in TP territory now too.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper refuses to sign the small arms treaty.

Canada initially supported the arms trade treaty, but earlier this spring Baird suggested the government would have to study further whether to adopt it.

Baird has said there is a potential link between signing on to the treaty and Canada’s now-abolished long gun registry.

The government is taking its time to consult with “organizations, industry, and individuals as well as the provinces and territories” before making a decision, Baird spokesman Rick Roth said in an email.

Roth stopped short of providing a timeline, however.

“If properly done, an arms trade treaty can help limit the worldwide trade in illicit arms,” he said.

“At the same time, it is important that such a treaty not affect lawful and responsible firearms owners nor discourage the transfer of firearms for recreational uses such as sport shooting and hunting.”

Dewar dismissed the government’s argument that the treaty would have an any impact on gun owners in Canada.

“No one believes that,” he said.

“If we see in the case of the United States, they’re going to sign the treaty where there’s very strong protection of gun owners rights. If they can sign it, why in God’s name can’t Canada?”

Can’t wait for the day Harper gets booted out the door of The Parliament Buildings.

89 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:03:50am

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

And this is a perfect example why Liberals should not split the vote.

How awesome would it have been if Layton had been PM.

90 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:04:30am

I like Clinton’s scenario. After hearing for YEARS “What part of ‘shall not be infringed’ are you not grasping?”, it’s time for someone to say, “What part of ‘shall not be questioned’ are you not grasping?”

There’s a point at which the Congress is simply failing to do its duty, and this debt limit shit is that point.

91 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:04:39am

re: #87 Kragar

To properly illustrate their positions, all members of the GOP in congress will be arriving at work in one small car and then come tumbling out at they parade into the building.

While “Entry of the Gladiators” blares from the nearest speakers.

92 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:05:14am

re: #89 ProTARDISLiberal

Jack Layton was a phenomenal politician, probably one of the best my country has ever produced.

93 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:07:10am

Mental health break!

94 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:07:53am

re: #86 Interesting Times

I see what’s happening, but you’d be amazed at how much of a blinder religious faith and self-concept can be - I’ve really been dismayed at the number of wingnuts on another non-political forum I belong to. They seemed like reasonable, intelligent people, but holy FSM are they ever batshit when it comes to religion/politics. One extolled the virtues of Biblical slavery, and another claimed that, because children can also drown in swimming pools, we shouldn’t have any regulations on guns unless we ban swimming pools as well o_O

The only conclusion I can draw is, these people see non-wingnut views as a direct threat to their self-worth and religious identity. That’s why they’re so easy for creeps like beck and limbaugh to deceive and swindle.

That’s it in a nutshell. As I said before, Freedom, for them, means Freedom FOR THEM. The right to do as they damn please, including preventing others from doing things they don’t approve of. Hence the claim that allowing same-sex marriage infringes on their freedom of religion, somehow.

95 allegro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:08:38am

re: #72 chadu

Oh, crapcakes on fire. If Carney’s joking about that, the President and the WH staff must be really pissed.

I suspect the reaction was more like this:

Image: response_to_GOP.JPG

96 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:08:47am

re: #79 Varek Raith

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Yeah, I tend to agree.

Unless one is camping in the hinterlands of Alaska or so far from law enforcement that they cannot reasonably be expected to arrive in time to help you …why does one need to carry?

97 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:09:25am

Remember when the Democrats threatened to shut down the government in the Bush administration in return for universal health care, repeal of the Taft Hartley Act, and a free bike for every man, woman and child in the Union?

98 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:10:29am

re: #93 Lidane

Mental health break!

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“Size matters not.”

99 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:10:39am

re: #94 GeneJockey

That’s it in a nutshell. As I said before, Freedom, for them, means Freedom FOR THEM. The right to do as they damn please, including preventing others from doing things they don’t approve of. Hence the claim that allowing same-sex marriage infringes on their freedom of religion, somehow.

QFT

100 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:12:17am

Jurassic Park 4 gets new title and release date

It’s going to be called Jurassic World.

101 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:12:27am

IMHO, the small arms treaty resistance is all about money. Firearms manufacturers don’t want their income challenged.

102 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:13:34am

re: #95 allegro

I suspect the reaction was more like this:

Image: response_to_GOP.JPG

Or this:

Image: enumerate.jpg

103 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:14:08am

The homegrown christian fundamentalist influence is IMHO, our biggest problem.

To date, I am the only person I’ve met outside the internet that is outraged by my avatar.

There are no words for that image. 1000 isn’t enough.

104 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:14:58am

Speaking of mental health breaks, I’m on the tail end of Book 3 of the Game of Thrones on Audio.

What a dark, dark world.

105 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:15:04am

re: #101 FemNaziBitch

IMHO, the small arms treaty resistance is all about money. Firearms manufacturers don’t want their income challenged.

Bingo.

106 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:16:04am
107 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:16:55am

Ok, I have a demand.
No debt ceiling agreement until I’m promised Chris Carter will make a 3rd X Files movie that concludes the alien plot line.

108 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:17:09am
109 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:17:26am

re: #107 Varek Raith

Ok, I have a demand.
No debt ceiling agreement until I’m promised Chris Carter will make a 3rd X Files movie that concludes the alien plot line.

There were X-Files movies?

//

110 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:17:27am

re: #104 FemNaziBitch

Speaking of mental health breaks, I’m on the tail end of Book 3 of the Game of Thrones on Audio.

What a dark, dark world.

I’m curious to see how it all works out, and where all the characters he hasn’t killed yet end up.

111 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:17:32am
112 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:17:40am

re: #93 Lidane

I remember earlier this year when some Sci-Fi Wiki had a “Who would win” contest between the various spaceships from various franchises.

It ended up being the TARDIS defeating the Borg Cube.

113 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:17:50am

re: #70 wrenchwench

emilio porompompero jumps the shark.

That be a dolphin.

114 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:18:24am

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

21 Really annoying Facebook friends we all have

Wait, I’m not on there. I’m the “I’m thoroughly pissed about a certain topic and I’m going to shove it down your throat” friend.

115 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:19:01am

re: #112 ProTARDISLiberal

I remember earlier this year when some Sci-Fi Wiki had a “Who would win” contest between the various spaceships from various franchises.

It ended up being the TARDIS defeating the Borg Cube.

Blasphemy! Those words are blasphemy!

/(Trek geek moment)

116 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:19:09am

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

Wait, I’m not on there. I’m the “I’m thoroughly pissed about a certain topic and I’m going to shove it down your throat” friend.

Wait - you must be my sister!

117 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:19:12am

re: #110 GeneJockey

I’m curious to see how it all works out, and where all the characters he hasn’t killed yet end up.

I don’t think any are left alive. Aliens come and repopulate the planet. . .

118 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:19:30am

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

Well, I believe Canada is officially in TP territory now too.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper refuses to sign the small arms treaty.

Can’t wait for the day Harper gets booted out the door of The Parliament Buildings.

I hope the CPCons get their asses handed to them.

119 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:20:29am

re: #89 ProTARDISLiberal

And this is a perfect example why Liberals should not split the vote.

How awesome would it have been if Layton had been PM.

Much different.
Layton had charisma and an understanding of human nature Harper can’t even imagine.

120 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:21:32am

re: #117 FemNaziBitch

I don’t think any are left alive. Aliens come and repopulate the planet…

Many centuries later, a human ship, the Nostromo, picks up a transmission from a derelict ship on the surface…..

121 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:21:44am

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

21 Really annoying Facebook friends we all have

I do an excellent job of ignoring Facebook.

…and then my mother is like “but did you see?” and I am like NO. It was cool in 2004. Now my grandmother is on it. Go away.

122 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:22:07am

re: #110 GeneJockey

I’m curious to see how it all works out, and where all the characters he hasn’t killed yet end up.

There seems to be no concept of “peace thru trade” in this world. They keep talking about restoring the peace, but it seems to be that they plan to do so only thru superior force.

123 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:23:34am

Barilla Chairman: ‘We will never feature a gay couple in our ads’

Guido Barilla, chairman of the world’s leading pasta manufacturer, prompted calls for a consumer boycott on Thursday after telling Italian radio his company would never use a gay family in its advertising.

“I would never do (a commercial) with a homosexual family, not for lack of respect but because we don’t agree with them. Ours is a classic family where the woman plays a fundamental role,” Barilla, 55, said in an interview with Radio 24 on Wednesday.

Barilla - one of the best known pasta brands around the world - is one of Italy’s biggest advertisers, and for many years has used the image of a happy family living in an idealised version of the Italian countryside, with the slogan: “Where there’s Barilla, there’s home”.

In the interview, Barilla said he opposed adoption by gay parents, but was in favour of allowing gay marriage, which is not legal in Italy. His comment about advertising was in response to a direct question about whether he would ever feature a gay family in his company’s commercials.

If gays “like our pasta and our advertising, they’ll eat our pasta, if they don’t like it then they will not eat it and they will eat another brand,” he said.

Aurelio Mancuso, head of gay rights group Equality Italia, said Barilla’s comments were an “offensive provocation” and called for a boycott of the company’s pasta, sauces and snacks.

124 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:23:40am

re: #115 Targetpractice

Yeah, and the Doctor did something to wipe out a Cyber-Fleet during A Good Man goes to War.

Considering the Borg are something of a copy of the Cybermen, and that the Borg were copied to create the newest version of them, I think it was a completely valid result.

/(Whovian Geek Moment)

125 piratedan  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:24:41am

re: #109 Targetpractice

There were X-Files movies?

//

those were documentaries…. right?

126 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:25:39am

OK, this is kinda WOW:

In the latest fusillade of Iran’s campaign to improve relations with the West, Iranian President Hasan Rouhani made a decisive break with his predecessor, saying definitively that the Holocaust had in fact occurred while also condemning the mass-killing of Jews during World War II.

“Any crime that happens in history against humanity, including the crime the Nazis committed towards the Jews as well as non-Jews, was reprehensible and condemnable,” Rouhani said in an interview with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour

From Foreign Policy email digest.

also linked: Iran president acknowledges Holocaust, talks Syria and Twitter

127 erik_t  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:25:51am

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

Barilla Chairman: ‘We will never feature a gay couple in our ads’

If gays “like our pasta and our advertising, they’ll eat our pasta, if they don’t like it then they will not eat it and they will eat another brand,” he said.

Might need to be a little more general there, chief.

128 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:26:00am

re: #122 FemNaziBitch

There seems to be no concept of “peace thru trade” in this world. They keep talking about restoring the peace, but it seems to be that they plan to do so only thru superior force.

As you progress through the next two books, ask yourself how that’s working out for those who pursue that.

129 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:27:09am

re: #128 GeneJockey

As you progress through the next two books, ask yourself how that’s working out for those who pursue that.

I don’t know if I’m going to get thru 4 and 5.

So far, I see the end result and the Nixon/Kissinger “balance of power” concept seems better and better . .

130 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:27:59am

re: #124 ProTARDISLiberal

Yeah, and the Doctor did something to wipe out a Cyber-Fleet during A Good Man goes to War.

Considering the Borg are something of a copy of the Cybermen, and that the Borg were copied to create the newest version of them, I think it was a completely valid result.

/(Whovian Geek Moment)

“Copy”?! Those are fightin’ words!!

131 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:28:20am

re: #130 Targetpractice

“Copy”?! Those are fightin’ words!!

assimilate?

132 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:28:30am

re: #109 Targetpractice

There were X-Files movies?

//

Just one. ;)

133 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:29:16am

Borgs are a bunch of woosies who could easily be taken down with bolter fire.

134 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:29:32am

re: #132 Varek Raith

Just one. ;)

Just like Highlander.

135 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:29:51am

re: #131 FemNaziBitch

assimilate?

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

(Yeah, I know, that’s the Daleks, not Cy Berman. Sue me.)

136 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:29:52am

re: #113 b_sharp

That be a dolphin.

I knew when I saw the tail that it was a mammal. I went for the cheap joke anyway.

137 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:29:57am

re: #134 Kragar

and The Matrix.

138 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:30:05am

re: #133 Kragar

Borgs are a bunch of woosies who could easily be taken down with bolter fire.

No shock there, they don’t take projectile weapons as much of a threat. Too primitive.

139 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:30:07am

re: #130 Targetpractice

Come and get it!

Youtube Video

140 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:30:10am

awwwww! Nat Geo is holding a Photography for Dummies seminar this Friday somewhere in Chicago. How kewl is that?

$195 that I can’t spare and time I don’t have.

:(

141 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:30:33am

re: #134 Kragar

Just like Highlander.

But there were like 4 Highlander movies. Mind you there SHOULD HAVE BEEN only one.

142 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:31:00am

re: #141 GeneJockey

But there were like 4 Highlander movies. Mind you there SHOULD HAVE BEEN only one.

Burn the heretic!

//

143 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:31:33am

re: #141 GeneJockey

But there were like 4 Highlander movies. Mind you there SHOULD HAVE BEEN only one.

and how many TV series?

144 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:32:22am

re: #127 erik_t

Might need to be a little more general there, chief.

Yeah, it’s not just gay people who don’t like to support bigots.

145 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:32:32am

re: #118 b_sharp

I hope the CPCons get their asses handed to them.

Welcome to the eternal culture war.

146 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:33:27am

re: #143 FemNaziBitch

and how many TV series?

I actually liked the show, but I’m a sucker for ‘immortal looking for happiness in a world of ephemerals’ stories.

147 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:33:43am

re: #145 Carlos Danger

Welcome to the eternal culture war.

I guess “peace thru trade” is best understood to include small arms, and heroin.

I can kinda live with that, but the human trafficking —I can’t abide.

Ah, reality …

148 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:33:53am

re: #146 GeneJockey

I actually liked the show, but I’m a sucker for ‘immortal looking for happiness in a world of ephemerals’ stories.

which show?

149 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:33:54am

re: #138 Targetpractice

No shock there, they don’t take projectile weapons as much of a threat. Too primitive.

.75 caliber mass reactive explosive rounds. I got your primitive for you.

150 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:34:42am

re: #144 wrenchwench

Yeah, it’s not just gay people who don’t like to support bigots.

I’d boycott them, if I’d been buying their products, but the Garofalo pasta they sell at Costco is pretty good.

151 chadu  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:35:03am

re: #141 GeneJockey

But there were like 4 Highlander movies. Mind you there SHOULD HAVE BEEN only one.

I think you dreamed that, mang. /

Superman (1978), and sequels. (Warner Bros..) You will believe a man can fly after watching the first movie. You will enjoy Kryptonian villainy in the second movie. You will shrug at everything in the third movie except the toothsome Annette O’Toole as Lana Lang. They didn’t make a fourth one. No, they didn’t. No, that was a dream. (I like Batman better anyway.)

Truth & Justice bibliography entry, by Chad Underkoffler.

tvtropes.org

152 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:35:10am

re: #146 GeneJockey

I actually liked the show, but I’m a sucker for ‘immortal looking for happiness in a world of ephemerals’ stories.

I liked it until I realized every episode was “Meet old friend, reminisce, kill old friend.”

153 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:35:18am

re: #146 GeneJockey

That sound suspiciously like Doctor Who.

154 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:35:36am

re: #148 FemNaziBitch

which show?

There was more than one? The original with Adrian Paul. He drove a ‘65 T-bird, and a Citroen DS21. My kinda guy.

155 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:36:12am

re: #153 ProTARDISLiberal

That sound suspiciously like Doctor Who.

But The Doctor never bangs his companions. At least not on screen.

156 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:36:48am

re: #151 chadu

“Dimensions in Time”…we don’t like to talk about that.
— The Doctor Who Magazine

Also the same treatment for the book Lungbarrow.

157 Skip Intro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:36:54am

re: #46 klys

Three cats back from the vet, no scratches to anyone. One has a heart murmur, but she cautioned that could be in part that he was freaked and it was going fast. Since he has to go back for some dental work, they’ll be able to double check then.

Otherwise everyone is now up to date on shots and for the most part weights are stabilized (although the whale needs to lose a bit).

Well, that $400 was probably burning a hole in your pocket, anyway.

I used to have four of them. I never liked vet visits.

158 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:37:10am

re: #152 Kragar

I liked it until I realized every episode was “Meet old friend, reminisce, kill old friend.”

No, no! There’s also, “Meet old enemy, old enemy kills old friend, kill old enemy.”

159 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:37:57am

re: #154 GeneJockey

There was more than one? The original with Adrian Paul. He drove a ‘65 T-bird, and a Citroen DS21. My kinda guy.

Yeah, that’s the only one I know of as well. I just wasn’t sure.

160 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:38:10am

re: #149 Kragar

.75 caliber mass reactive explosive rounds. I got your primitive for you.

“This kills you. This kills you and every one else in the room.”

161 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:38:25am

re: #157 Skip Intro

Well, that $400 was probably burning a hole in your pocket, anyway.

I used to have four of them. I never liked vet visits.

Our Greyhound girl just went in for teeth cleaning and came out with 3 fewer teeth. I haven’t asked my wife what that cost.

162 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:39:03am

re: #157 Skip Intro

Well, that $400 was probably burning a hole in your pocket, anyway.

I used to have four of them. I never liked vet visits.

My cat knows when he has a vet appt and hides in another universe until I have to reschedule because I can’t find him.

163 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:39:18am

re: #161 GeneJockey

Our Greyhound girl just went in for teeth cleaning and came out with 3 fewer teeth. I haven’t asked my wife what that cost.

Smart man.

164 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:40:15am

re: #160 Targetpractice

“This kills you. This kills you and every one else in the room.”

Nah, its a micro explosive designed to go off inside a target or after impact with armor. You will want to hose down the room afterwards though.

165 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:40:24am

re: #157 Skip Intro

Well, that $400 was probably burning a hole in your pocket, anyway.

I used to have four of them. I never liked vet visits.

They were pretty good. Nobody liked having their temperature taken but only one tried to bite and he’s the one we know to watch for.

166 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:41:01am

re: #158 GeneJockey

No, no! There’s also, “Meet old enemy, old enemy kills old friend, kill old enemy.”

Also, Methos!

I think they’re available for free streaming with Amazon Prime, which has resulted in some wasted hours here.

167 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:41:25am

re: #155 GeneJockey

There are two (probably 3) companions the Doctor has plausibly fallen for.

The first showed a somewhat plausible relationship dynamic, but she tended to be quite selfish and unintelligent.

The second was was smart, but the romance got dropped in favor for talking about the nature of time. Moffat does this a lot.

Hopefully someone gets it right. At the very least, with most recent one, I have not known opposite gender friends to be okay with be swatted on the bum with a towel (yes, that actually happened. End of Journey to the Center of the TARDIS.)

169 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:41:52am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Somehow I don’t think Fischer would be defending the constiutionality of a city that had an Islamic crescent as part of their crest but hey Christians should have special priviliges but they’re also latter day Jim Crow.

Yea, he said the 1st Amendment only applies to Christians, and Mormons don’t count.

170 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:42:15am

re: #166 klys

Also, Methos!

I think they’re available for free streaming with Amazon Prime, which has resulted in some wasted hours here.

Speaking of wasting time, hubby and I are on the 3rd (?) season of Breaking Bad on Netflix.

And there are posts on fb extolling the virtures of Obamacare, one of which being that if Walter had Obamacare, he would never have ended-up in the situation he is in.

171 Skip Intro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:42:31am

re: #49 Targetpractice

Remember that a couple GOP aides have cautioned that this isn’t even the final bill. Who knows what other candy will be put in the bowl before it goes to the floor.

Things I left out for next year:

1) life starts at insertion.
2) David Barton’s interpretation of the Second Amendment becomes law.
3) The top tax rate is cut to zero.
4) Everyone receiving government benefits of any kind - except Members of Congress - must pass a monthly drug test.

There’s really no end to what they might end up demanding, if not this time then the next, or the next, or the next.

172 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:43:24am
173 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:43:39am

re: #169 aagcobb

Yea, he said the 1st Amendment only applies to Christians, and Mormons don’t count.

I’d bet he’s not too fond of Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, or Anglicans much either.

174 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:44:00am

re: #164 Kragar

Nah, its a micro explosive designed to go off inside a target or after impact with armor. You will want to hose down the room afterwards though.

Seems so inefficient compared to the disintegrate setting on a standard-issue type 2 phaser.

175 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:44:20am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

Speaking of wasting time, hubby and I are on the 3rd (?) season of Breaking Bad on Netflix.

And there are posts on fb extolling the virtures of Obamacare, one of which being that if Walter had Obamacare, he would never have ended-up in the situation he is in.

This is clearly why Obamacare is evil, because if it existed there wouldn’t be any Breaking Bad!

///

176 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:44:29am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I’d bet he’s not too fond of Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, or Anglicans much either.

Ahhhhh, anyone who has not contributed to his ministry in cold hard cash is doomed.

177 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:44:44am

re: #151 chadu

Superman (1978), and sequels. (Warner Bros..)

Back in the day, I remember reading that the rights to Superman IV has been sold to Golan-Globus.

Definitely a “well, THAT sucks” moment.

178 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:45:01am

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

Barilla Chairman: ‘We will never feature a gay couple in our ads’

So wouldn’t a family with two women be even better? No need to claim you’re not being a bigot when you are in fact being a bigot.

179 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:45:20am

re: #171 Skip Intro

Things I left out for next year:

1) life starts at insertion.
2) David Barton’s interpretation of the Second Amendment becomes law.
3) The top tax rate is cut to zero.
4) Everyone receiving government benefits of any kind - except Members of Congress - must pass a monthly drug test.

There’s really no end to what they might end up demanding, if not this time then the next, or the next, or the next.

I think #1 should be ‘erection’, and of course #4 needs to exclude Social Security and Medicare (because so many Teabaggers are on both), farm subsidies, and corporate welfare.

180 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:45:32am

re: #176 FemNaziBitch

Ahhhhh, anyone who has not contributed to his ministry in cold hard cash is doomed.

Well yeah I think that money would be better spent on so many other things.

181 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:45:41am

re: #174 Targetpractice

Seems so inefficient compared to the disintegrate setting on a standard-issue type 2 phaser.

That’s why you have meltas, plasma guns, and flamers scattered throughout your squads.

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:45:43am

re: #151 chadu

I think you dreamed that, mang. /

Truth & Justice bibliography entry, by Chad Underkoffler.

tvtropes.org

Only one sequel to “Alien” as well.

183 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:46:10am

re: #181 Kragar

That’s why you have meltas, plasma guns, and flamers scattered throughout your squads.

Because there is no kill like overkill.

184 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:46:21am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Well yeah I think that money would be better spent on so many other things.

I totally agree, but that is the parameter set to determine who is truly “christian” and who is not —in the world according to Fischer.

185 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:46:53am

re: #182 William Barnett-Lewis

Only one sequel to “Alien” as well.

WAIT—what?

186 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:47:22am

re: #182 William Barnett-Lewis

Only one sequel to “Alien” as well.

What’s this “Motion Picture” everybody talks about? The Star Trek movies started with Wrath of Khan!

187 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:47:28am

re: #181 Kragar

That’s why you have meltas, plasma guns, and flamers scattered throughout your squads.

So, DADT has been abolished in SciFi as well?

188 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:47:31am

re: #157 Skip Intro

Well, that $400 was probably burning a hole in your pocket, anyway.

I used to have four of them. I never liked vet visits.

There’s always pet insurance.

First time I saw that I was amazed. My cats would’ve had better coverage than me, considering the only thing I had in grad school was catastrophic insurnace in case I ended up bleeding in the ER.

189 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:48:28am

re: #188 Lidane

There’s always pet insurance.

First time I saw that I was amazed. My cats would’ve had better coverage than me, considering the only thing I had in grad school was catastrophic insurnace in case I ended up bleeding in the ER.

I’m beginning to think insurance is the reason health care costs have increased so much. I’m afraid of pet insurance as a result.

190 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:49:11am

re: #187 GeneJockey

So, DADT has been abolished in SciFi as well?

Its the only way you can explain Eldar.

191 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:49:14am

re: #168 Kragar

Scientists create state of matter that’s pretty much the same as light sabers

The nerds at Harvard and MIT have achieved their wet dream. “Hey Biff, who is the loser now!”

Youtube Video

192 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:49:19am

re: #151 chadu

I think you dreamed that, mang. /

Truth & Justice bibliography entry, by Chad Underkoffler.

tvtropes.org

Geez, if only it were that simple. My memory is too good. I’d need a power drill and an iced tea spoon to make it so.

193 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:50:18am

re: #182 William Barnett-Lewis

Only one sequel to “Alien” as well.

Totally.

194 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:50:26am

re: #188 Lidane

There’s always pet insurance.

First time I saw that I was amazed. My cats would’ve had better coverage than me, considering the only thing I had in grad school was catastrophic insurnace in case I ended up bleeding in the ER.

We are fortunate to be in a position where we can self-insure the kitties, but I know one of my friends (who is a vet) has it for her dogs. They also do some pre-bundled packages to reduce the cost of routine services.

195 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:50:41am

re: #192 GeneJockey

Geez, if only it were that simple. My memory is too good. I’d need a power drill and an iced tea spoon to make it so.

Mcgyver?

196 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:50:48am

re: #192 GeneJockey

I would love to forget Love and Monsters, but I have the same problem.

Worst TV Episode of anything ever. Not going to adjust that statement.

197 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:51:09am

re: #189 FemNaziBitch

I’m beginning to think insurance is the reason health care costs have increased so much. I’m afraid of pet insurance as a result.

Next up, BoCare!

198 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:51:15am

dogs want in, dogs wan out …

199 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:51:43am

re: #196 ProTARDISLiberal

I would love to forget Love and Monsters, but I have the smae problem.

Worst TV Episode of anything ever. Not going to adjust that statement.

Threshold.

200 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:51:47am

re: #195 FemNaziBitch

Mcgyver?

Needz Moar chewing gum and paper clips.

201 Skip Intro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:52:10am

re: #162 FemNaziBitch

My cat knows when he has a vet appt and hides in another universe until I have to reschedule because I can’t find him.

Try it with four. They know.

One of mine required a dog size carrier because of the way he’d splay out his legs. I had to wear a pair of oven mitts and a thick long sleeved shirt just to get him in it without me needing to stop at the ER on the way.

Funny thing is, once we were there I never had a problem getting any of them back in their carriers.

202 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:52:14am

re: #198 FemNaziBitch

dogs want in, dogs wan out …

Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that.

203 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:52:20am

Has GG commented on the fact that South Park pwned Snowden and by extension GG himself and the whole Dudebro collective.

204 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:52:39am

re: #193 GeneJockey

Totally.

And only one sequel to The Godfather.

205 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:53:40am

re: #201 Skip Intro

Try it with four. They know.

One of mine required a dog size carrier because of the way he’d splay out his legs. I had to wear a pair of oven mitts and a thick long sleeved shirt just to get him in it without me needing to stop at the ER on the way.

Funny thing is, once we were there I never had a problem getting any of them back in their carriers.

I had one cat who must have had magical powers. Her head would be coming out of the cat carrier at the same time as her ass was going in. I could never figure it out.

206 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:53:55am

re: #204 aagcobb

And only one sequel to The Godfather.

Yeah sigh. First off, you don’t wait 16 years and second off you don’t kill off Tom Hagen. GFII though is an awesome sequel. In fact, I dare to say I like parts of it more than I do the original. The contrast you see with Vito and Michael is interesting to observe. Plus I love the character of Senator Geary.

207 piratedan  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:54:41am

with Congress acting like a bunch of toddlers on a downside of a sugar high, it feels like this site is becoming more and more like we’re all emulating MST3K, with Charles as Joel (or Mike, if that’s your thing) and we’re his bots and we’re forced to watch this cheezy government play out and all we can do is mock it as it takes place.

208 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:54:52am

Trekkies have a hard time denying movies existed, mostly because they numbered the damned things. Though God knows we’d love to imagine that Shatner was never allowed near the director’s chair.

209 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:55:21am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Yeah sigh. First off, you don’t wait 16 years and second off you don’t kill off Tom Hagen.

And you don’t replace him with GEORGE HAMILTON!!!

210 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:55:28am
211 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:55:32am

re: #207 piratedan

with Congress acting like a bunch of toddlers on a downside of a sugar high, it feels like this site is becoming more and more like we’re all emulating MST3K, with Charles as Joel (or Mike, if that’s your thing) and we’re his bots and we’re forced to watch this cheezy government play out and all we can do is mock it as it takes place.

“Oh, here it is! ‘Breach hull, all die.’ Even underlined it.”

212 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:55:47am

re: #207 piratedan

with Congress acting like a bunch of toddlers on a downside of a sugar high, it feels like this site is becoming more and more like we’re all emulating MST3K, with Charles as Joel (or Mike, if that’s your thing) and we’re his bots and we’re forced to watch this cheezy government play out and all we can do is mock it as it takes place.

I regret nothing!

213 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:56:57am

re: #199 Targetpractice

And my response to that?

Three Words. Concrete Blowjob Dispenser.

214 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:57:57am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Has GG commented on the fact that South Park pwned Snowden and by extension GG himself and the whole Dudebro collective.

I held my nose and checked his Twitter feed and he has not breathed a word about it there.

215 Skip Intro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:58:04am

re: #179 GeneJockey

I think #1 should be ‘erection’, and of course #4 needs to exclude Social Security and Medicare (because so many Teabaggers are on both), farm subsidies, and corporate welfare.

Teabaggers who are on Medicare don’t think it’s a Federal benefit. “I earned that!”, they’ll rant, “so it’s different from Socialized Medicine.”

Since the GOP has wanted to eliminate Medicare from the day it was created, I don’t think they’ll shy away from it now. They’ll just grandfather in the group their pollsters say they need, then screw everybody else.

216 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:58:08am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

So long and thanks for all the fish? Sending messages again that only those of us with the Babblefish can understand? /

217 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:59:37am

re: #213 ProTARDISLiberal

And my response to that?

Three Words. Concrete Blowjob Dispenser.

I got two: Spock’s Brain.

218 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:59:39am

re: #215 Skip Intro

Teabaggers who are on Medicare don’t think it’s a Federal benefit. “I earned that!”, they’ll rant, “so it’s different from Socialized Medicine.”

Since the GOP has wanted to eliminate Medicare from the day it was created, I don’t think they’ll shy away from it now. They’ll just grandfather in the group their pollsters say they need, then screw everybody else.

That is the Ryan Plan in a nutshell.

219 piratedan  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:01:14pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

I regret nothing!

How much O’Keefe is in this movie?

220 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:02:02pm

re: #215 Skip Intro

Teabaggers who are on Medicare don’t think it’s a Federal benefit. “I earned that!”, they’ll rant, “so it’s different from Socialized Medicine.”

Since the GOP has wanted to eliminate Medicare from the day it was created, I don’t think they’ll shy away from it now. They’ll just grandfather in the group their pollsters say they need, then screw everybody else.

Seriously. Regarding the first, I’ve already heard that from at least one guy, whose attitude was “I paid for it, Ive got it coming. You don’t.” I explained to him that, since he started working before Medicare was enacted, and before the 1983 increase in Social Security taxes, I will have paid a lot more as a percentage of my total earnings than he did.

He shut up.

Regarding the second, see Paul Ryan’s first ‘Budget’.

221 chadu  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:02:08pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

“This kills you. This kills you and every one else in the room.”

Danny Vermin: I got something to stop him.
Dutch: They made it for him special. It’s an eighty-eight Magnum.
Danny Vermin: It shoots through schools.
Johnny Dangerously

222 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:02:17pm

re: #216 lawhawk

So long and thanks for all the fish?

Youtube Video

223 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:02:36pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

I got two: Spock’s Brain.

Oh, yeah, that. Jesus wept.

224 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:02:55pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

Still better than that piece of misogynistic filth.

Being a good fan of something means being able to acknowledge it’s faults. Love and Monsters is a horrifying trainwreck that shows why Russell T. Davies is more than a little over-rated in regards to his showrunning of Doctor Who.

225 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:03:27pm

re: #220 GeneJockey

Seriously. Regarding the first, I’ve already heard that from at least one guy, whose attitude was “I paid for it, Ive got it coming. You don’t.” I explained to him that, since he started working before Medicare was enacted, and before the 1983 increase in Social Security taxes, I will have paid a lot more as a percentage of my total earnings than he did.

He shut up.

Regarding the second, see Paul Ryan’s first ‘Budget’.

The depressing thing for me is that all my retirement planning assumes that I won’t get any Social Security. I probably should start assuming no Medicare either, but I don’t want to think about that yet.

226 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:05:01pm

re: #219 piratedan

How much O’Keefe is in this movie?

MILES O’KEEFE

227 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:05:12pm

re: #220 GeneJockey

He shut up.

Generally, these are the same sort of dudes who complain about government spending on NASA and probably think they have a better idea what to do with that $3 than landing a man on the moon, Because freedom, man!

228 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:05:17pm

re: #224 ProTARDISLiberal

Still better than that piece of misogynistic filth.

Being a good fan of something means being able to acknowledge it’s faults. Love and Monsters is a horrifying trainwreck that shows why Russell T. Davies is more than a little over-rated in regards to his showrunning of Doctor Who.

Oh, misogynistic filth? Then three words, Profit And Lace.

God, I feel like I need to scrub my skin with a Brillo pad now.

229 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:06:50pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

Because there is no kill like overkill.

There is no such thing as overkill - there is only Open Fire and Reload.

230 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:07:10pm

re: #225 klys

The depressing thing for me is that all my retirement planning assumes that I won’t get any Social Security. I probably should start assuming no Medicare either, but I don’t want to think about that yet.

I assume relocation to a place with running water falls under that category as well? :-/

231 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:07:22pm

My 10 year old daughter’s favorite MST3k moment

Youtube Video

You people bring matches for Mikey?

232 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:07:29pm

re: #225 klys

The depressing thing for me is that all my retirement planning assumes that I won’t get any Social Security. I probably should start assuming no Medicare either, but I don’t want to think about that yet.

On the flip side, I have been planning for my retirement and putting away money and I’ve been in a position to do so, which puts me ahead of a really depressing number of Americans.

I suppose sometimes it’s no surprise how screwed up financial discussions in Congress are, given the general state of basic financial planning in this country.

233 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:08:38pm

re: #227 Carlos Danger

Generally, these are the same sort of dudes who complain about government spending on NASA and probably think they have a better idea what to do with that $3 than landing a man on the moon, Because freedom, man!

The other thing about this guy is that he was a Marine, so he’s had government-run healthcare all his adult life and now he’s on Medicare, but god forbid we have government-run healthcare.

Apart from that, and being a racist and a homophobe, he’s a great guy!

234 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:08:58pm

re: #232 klys

On the flip side, I have been planning for my retirement and putting away money and I’ve been in a position to do so, which puts me ahead of a really depressing number of Americans.

I suppose sometimes it’s no surprise how screwed up financial discussions in Congress are, given the general state of basic financial planning in this country.

Thing is, I’ve known too many wingnuts who’d hear that and go “Good, that’s how it’s supposed to be done!”

235 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:10:52pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

Thing is, I’ve known too many wingnuts who’d hear that and go “Good, that’s how it’s supposed to be done!”

Right! You’re supposed to put your ever-diminishing earnings into the stock market, and if you make a bad choice, or just happen to retire at a time when the market tanks or whatever, it’s your fault!

236 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:11:12pm

My favorite bit, The bots surprise Mike

Youtube Video

237 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:11:27pm

re: #232 klys

I suppose sometimes it’s no surprise how screwed up financial discussions in Congress are, given the general state of basic financial planning in this country.

I’m a little younger than you, and things aren’t looking so hot. The piper will get paid, but the cyclical nature of retirements means we won’t know the full extent of the damage until our generation grows old.

238 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:11:52pm

re: #235 GeneJockey

Right! You’re supposed to put your ever-diminishing earnings into the stock market, and if you make a bad choice, or just happen to retire at a time when the market tanks or whatever, it’s your fault!

That’s why you have a big family, so your kids can take care of you in your old age!!!

239 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:13:11pm

My countdown is on. Five updings to 10,000 karma.

240 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:14:22pm

Four

241 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:14:40pm

One!

242 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:15:07pm

Over the top! Took slightly less than four years.

243 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:15:14pm

re: #241 aagcobb

One!

Oh darn, you over shot.

244 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:15:22pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

Thing is, I’ve known too many wingnuts who’d hear that and go “Good, that’s how it’s supposed to be done!”

I know, I’ve heard it from some of my own relatives.

Who promptly ignore all of the advantages that I’ve had that have allowed me to do this.

I mean, yes, I’m in a pretty decent position for someone my age. But I am the exception and there was a lot of stuff that had to line up just so for me to do so. I got a full scholarship for undergraduate, for example - tuition, room, and board. Graduate school in the sciences = paid for. A pretty solidly upper-middle class upbringing + some very strict financial rules drilled into my head by my parents where you don’t spend money you don’t have. Credit cards should be a debit card you pay off once a month.

But trying to do retirement planning at my age sucks.

245 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:16:35pm

Woman runs marathon by mistake and wins

A 34-year-old Canadian woman, who entered a half-marathon in Amherstburg, Ontario over the weekend, accidentally took a wrong turn and ended up winning the full marathon.

246 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:16:41pm
247 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:17:12pm

re: #244 klys

Social security will be there for you. Its not called the third rail of American politics for nothing.

248 gwangung  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:17:24pm

re: #244 klys

A pretty solidly upper-middle class upbringing + some very strict financial rules drilled into my head by my parents where you don’t spend money you don’t have.

The two correlate a bit more than they should; if you don’t have close experience with money (i.e., a relative), there’s a bigger chance of screwing up.

249 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:17:42pm

re: #242 aagcobb

Over the top! Took slightly less than four years.

I’m going to start down dinging you so you hover at 9,999 all day.

250 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:18:01pm

re: #247 aagcobb

Social security will be there for you. Its not called the third rail of American politics for nothing.

I figure if it is, great, then I draw down my assets less slowly. But I’d rather plan for a worst-case scenario than be stuck.

251 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:18:05pm

re: #249 Dr. Matt

I’m going to start down dinging you so you hover at 9,999 all day.

Still over 9000.

252 gwangung  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:18:14pm

re: #246 Carlos Danger

Manchin: I’d Support Delaying Obamacare To Avoid Govt Shutdown

You goob, Manchin…what makes you think they’re not going to pull the same trick again?

253 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:18:26pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

That’s why you have a big family, so your kids can take care of you in your old age!!!

And they have to, because you spent your retirement putting the ungrateful bastards through school, only to have them major in Underwater Basket Weaving, or Latino Lesbian Studies!

Seriously, within the next 10-15 years, this country will have to do something major about retirement, or get used to working till you die, and/or seeing old folks living under bridges.

My parents, born in 1918 and 1921, probably were at the zenith of America taking care of the middle class. They both worked, and they both got pensions, AND Social Security. Their mortgage was low enough, and college was cheap enough that they put 4 kids through all 4 years, and were still able to have enough of a retirement to travel and live comfortably.

Unless something is done, that era will seem like a dream to all the folks trying to find work in their 80s so they can eat.

254 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:18:35pm

Homegrown Terrorists:

The Abortiondocs.org site is a one-stop resource for extremist targeting and stalking of abortion-clinic personnel,” says duVergne Gaines, legal coordinator for the Feminist Majority Foundation’s Clinic Access Project. Gaines, who has been to Wichita repeatedly and worked closely with the South Wind staff, is assisting the clinic in responding tothreats. “What alarms us is that the network of extremists targeting Julie Burkhart and Dr. Chastine is the same network that targeted Dr. Tiller— Army of God adherents, Operation Rescue and OR/OSA,” she says.

Two of the project’s law associates work out of the South Wind clinic to assist it in dealing with its many legal challenges. Gaines has also helped recruit and work with community volunteers to assist the clinic—from going to zoning meetings to escorting patients to documenting on-site interference by anti-abortion protesters. Among the regular protesters is Jennifer McCoy, a known follower of the Army of God, which advocates “justifiable homicide” of abortion doctors.

Putting the extremists’ tactics into perspective, Gaines explains, “The deadly attacks on doctors and clinics have not been the acts of some ‘loon’ or ‘lone wolves,’ but part of an orchestrated campaign of terror. And until this network is prosecuted and dismantled, we fear we are only buying time until the next murder.”

The terror campaign has clearly left its mark. Kerry Jacob, a board member of South Wind, says her mother is frightened every time her daughter talks publicly about the clinic.

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255 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:19:04pm

re: #248 gwangung

The two correlate a bit more than they should; if you don’t have close experience with money (i.e., a relative), there’s a bigger chance of screwing up.

Had a grandmother who beat into my head every day I lived with her that you shouldn’t spend money you haven’t got, to keep what you got as long as you can keep it working, and never buy something you don’t need.

Hasn’t always kept me from making stupid buys, but it has instilled me a massive feeling of guilt when I do.

256 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:19:07pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Oh darn, you over shot.

Should I downding him/her to get back to 10K?

257 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:19:45pm

re: #248 gwangung

The two correlate a bit more than they should; if you don’t have close experience with money (i.e., a relative), there’s a bigger chance of screwing up.

I’ve seen it with my friends, which is one reason they know they can come and talk to me about things like that and I’m happy to provide information and resources.

I recognize my privilege here. In a lot of ways, that means I need to do what I can to help those who didn’t have that advantage.

258 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:20:23pm

re: #245 Kragar

Woman runs marathon by mistake and wins

Paul Ryan’s dream.

259 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:20:27pm

re: #252 gwangung

You goob, Manchin…what makes you think they’re not going to pull the same trick again?

Manchin has to act wingnutty because he’s in WV, but its still better to have him there than another Teahadist.

260 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:20:39pm

re: #244 klys

I know, I’ve heard it from some of my own relatives.

Who promptly ignore all of the advantages that I’ve had that have allowed me to do this.

I mean, yes, I’m in a pretty decent position for someone my age. But I am the exception and there was a lot of stuff that had to line up just so for me to do so. I got a full scholarship for undergraduate, for example - tuition, room, and board. Graduate school in the sciences = paid for. A pretty solidly upper-middle class upbringing + some very strict financial rules drilled into my head by my parents where you don’t spend money you don’t have. Credit cards should be a debit card you pay off once a month.

But trying to do retirement planning at my age sucks.

Yeah, I grew-up with those rules as well. Who needs more than one TV or a phone that is not attached to the wall by a cord?

It’s not the same world in which my parents lived. The only people I know who can keep that level of financial solvency are making way, way more than comes into my household.

What is the big problem? Mostly medical bills.

261 Skip Intro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:21:21pm

re: #235 GeneJockey

Right! You’re supposed to put your ever-diminishing earnings into the stock market, and if you make a bad choice, or just happen to retire at a time when the market tanks or whatever, it’s your fault!

You could always put it in the bank, where’s it’s safe, and earn a nice .1% return, before taxes. re: #233 GeneJockey

The other thing about this guy is that he was a Marine, so he’s had government-run healthcare all his adult life and now he’s on Medicare, but god forbid we have government-run healthcare.

Apart from that, and being a racist and a homophobe, he’s a great guy!

Other than the Marine and great guy part, he sounds like the owner of Free Republic, who also owes his life to the VA and thinks it’s just swell, but keep that God Damned Socialized Medicine out of my country!

262 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:21:41pm

re: #246 Carlos Danger

Manchin: I’d Support Delaying Obamacare To Avoid Govt Shutdown

you win NOTHING

Joe Manchin, a man with a dagger forever in search of a back to stab it in. If there’s a way he can fuck over his own party to keep his ass in office, he’ll find it.

263 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:22:20pm

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I grew-up with those rules as well. Who needs more than one TV or a phone that is not attached to the wall by a cord?

It’s not the same world in which my parents lived. The only people I know who can keep that level of financial solvency are making way, way more than comes into my household.

What is the big problem? Mostly medical bills.

This needs to be emphasized so much more.

264 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:22:31pm
265 Skip Intro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:22:47pm

re: #252 gwangung

You goob, Manchin…what makes you think they’re not going to pull the same trick again?

I see the Dems have elected morons, too.

266 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:23:58pm

re: #263 klys

This needs to be emphasized so much more.

Indeed, we live in a nation where a majority of working folks are a single medical crisis away from bankruptcy.

267 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:24:06pm
The U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) has issued the following news release today:

Real gross domestic product — the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States — increased at an annual rate of 2.5 percent in the second quarter of 2013 (that is, from the first quarter to the second quarter), according to the “third” estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the first quarter, real GDP increased 1.1 percent.

268 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:24:32pm

re: #265 Skip Intro

I see the Dems have elected morons, too.

Yeah, but we don’t primary those who AREN’T morons to replace them with morons.

269 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:24:54pm

re: #266 Targetpractice

Indeed, we live in a nation where a majority of working folks are a single medical crisis away from bankruptcy.

Considering we are living with a lower standard-of-living (by many standards) than our parents did.

270 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:25:01pm

Joe Machin’s generally the guy who, when the GOP starts rattling the bars of the monkey cage with demands for more budget cuts, will be quick to stand up and say “Well, they might have a point!”

271 Mattand  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:25:24pm

In a “discussion” with a “moderate” conservative on Politico. He got a little bent with me when I called the GOP the American Taliban, as I’m wont to do.

He told me that he votes Republican because they’re strong on economic issues, national security and foreign policy, and the religious crap like school prayer and banning abortion aren’t issues for him.

Strong on economic issues, national security and foreign policy? You mean like the 2008 financial meltdown, 9/11, and the 2nd Iraq war?

I really hate to see what this guy’s idea of failure is, if that’s how he measures success.

272 Skip Intro  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:25:28pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

Miley Cyrus: Is My Twerking Worse Than Breaking Bad’s How to Cook Meth Lesson?

heh .

“Like, I was watching Breaking Bad the other day, and they were cooking meth. I could literally cook meth because of that show. It’s a how-to.

Like, no Miley, you couldn’t. I think you’re confusing making it with using it.

273 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:26:11pm
274 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:26:17pm
275 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:26:19pm

re: #271 Mattand

In a “discussion” with a “moderate” conservative on Politico. He got a little bent with me when I called the GOP the American Taliban, as I’m wont to do.

He told me that he votes Republican because they’re strong on economic issues, national security and foreign policy, and the religious crap like school prayer and banning abortion aren’t issues for him.

Strong on economic issues, national security and foreign policy? You mean like the 2008 financial meltdown, 9/11, and the 2nd Iraq war?

I really hate to see what this guy’s idea of failure is, if that’s how he measures success.

Direct him to look up the term “useful idiot.”

276 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:26:22pm
277 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:26:47pm

re: #273 Lidane

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Damnit, Lidane, you owe me for a new monitor!

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278 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:26:54pm

The worst part about all this is, we have all these systemic problems as a nation, we know how to solve them, yet at least half the elected officials are intent to mash all the controls and attempt to Chernobyl the economy.

Let’s test this again and see if it really blows up this time…

279 Mattand  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:27:11pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

Miley Cyrus: Is My Twerking Worse Than Breaking Bad’s How to Cook Meth Lesson?

heh .

Well, if I’ve learned anything from TV, it’s that to cook meth properly, you need a solid education in chemistry.

Twerking just requires having a controlled Grand Mol seizure, with the epicenter somewhere in the ass area.

Walter White, 1; Miley Cyrus, 0.

280 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:27:18pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

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That from the next Syfy movie?

281 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:27:21pm
282 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:27:24pm
283 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:27:42pm

re: #277 Targetpractice

Damnit, Lidane, you owe me for a new monitor!

//

Heh. Oops?

284 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:28:10pm

re: #253 GeneJockey

And they have to, because you spent your retirement putting the ungrateful bastards through school, only to have them major in Underwater Basket Weaving, or Latino Lesbian Studies!

Seriously, within the next 10-15 years, this country will have to do something major about retirement, or get used to working till you die, and/or seeing old folks living under bridges.

My parents, born in 1918 and 1921, probably were at the zenith of America taking care of the middle class. They both worked, and they both got pensions, AND Social Security. Their mortgage was low enough, and college was cheap enough that they put 4 kids through all 4 years, and were still able to have enough of a retirement to travel and live comfortably.

Unless something is done, that era will seem like a dream to all the folks trying to find work in their 80s so they can eat.

Something will be done. The Teahadists are making a lot of noise now because their movement is in it death throes. The politics of racial resentment and religious fundamentalism they use to get whites to vote against their own economic interests has reached the point of diminishing returns as their base ages and America becomes more diverse. Sanity will return to Congress, and we will easily get the revenue necessary to provide for Americans in need.

285 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:28:21pm

re: #282 Lidane

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Matt’s not even trying anymore.

286 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:29:02pm

Looks like Twitter just changed the format of embedded tweets that have images.

287 chadu  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:30:26pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

That is disturbing.

288 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:30:34pm
289 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:30:52pm

re: #255 Targetpractice

Had a grandmother who beat into my head every day I lived with her that you shouldn’t spend money you haven’t got, to keep what you got as long as you can keep it working, and never buy something you don’t need.

Hasn’t always kept me from making stupid buys, but it has instilled me a massive feeling of guilt when I do.

Here’s the irony - for as long as I’ve been alive, America’s economy did best when most Americans violated your grandmother’s rules. Indeed, we have DEPENDED on overconsumption to drive the economy. It’s what has made our rich people rich, and made everyone else more comfortable. And while it has always been true that living the way your grandmother told you was best for the individual, if everybody had, we’d all have been a lot worse off.

So, being frugal is great, if everyone else is profligate. Kinda like a farmer, who only wants a bumper crop as long as everyone else’s crop fails.

290 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:31:09pm

re: #266 Targetpractice

Indeed, we live in a nation where a majority of working folks are a single medical crisis away from bankruptcy.

And yet here we are, with the GOP wanting to shut down the country over the prospect of cheaper health insurance and expanded coverage.

291 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:31:49pm

I can’t do these freaky pictures …

292 sagehen  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:31:49pm

re: #196 ProTARDISLiberal

I would love to forget Love and Monsters, but I have the same problem.

Worst TV Episode of anything ever. Not going to adjust that statement.

What about the Forever Knight finale? A travesty of an ep, so hideous it destroyed any possible enjoyment from reruns of the eps I used to like. (which I later read was actually the showrunner’s intent — he’d lost legal rights to the universe/characters, been fired, and he wanted to make absolutely certain they could never resurrect it).

293 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:32:38pm

re: #282 Lidane

OFFS

294 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:34:16pm

re: #289 GeneJockey

Here’s the irony - for as long as I’ve been alive, America’s economy did best when most Americans violated your grandmother’s rules. Indeed, we have DEPENDED on overconsumption to drive the economy. It’s what has made our rich people rich, and made everyone else more comfortable. And while it has always been true that living the way your grandmother told you was best for the individual, if everybody had, we’d all have been a lot worse off.

So, being frugal is great, if everyone else is profligate. Kinda like a farmer, who only wants a bumper crop as long as everyone else’s crop fails.

Yes, money must move. Or the whole thing falls apart.

Which is what has been happening as banks have not been lending, but holding their cash reserves hostage. They will continue to do so until Congress either caves on Dodd-Frank or the banks are forced (somehow) to give-up the fight.

295 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:35:15pm

re: #293 Bulworth

OFFS

Surely you’re not surprised. Racism today exists in pointing out racism. Class warfare exists in pointing out successful class warfare. Why shouldn’t pointing out someone playing the slavery card be playing the slavery card?

296 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:36:30pm

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

I can’t do these freaky pictures …

Oh really?

297 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:36:40pm

re: #292 sagehen

What about the Forever Knight finale? A travesty of an ep, so hideous it destroyed any possible enjoyment from reruns of the eps I used to like. (which I later read was actually the showrunner’s intent — he’d lost legal rights to the universe/characters, been fired, and he wanted to make absolutely certain they could never resurrect it).

Hell, the guy who did Neon Genesis Evangelion did one better. When the suits told him that the original ending to the series, which he’d loved from a purely artistic point of view, had been poorly received and they were going to do a movie instead…he took creative control of the movie and turned it into a 2hr long “Fuck You!” to the fans.

Years later, he’s back on his meds and they’re remaking the series. Which goes to show that no cash cow is beyond reanimation.

298 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:37:09pm
299 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:37:23pm

re: #296 Kragar

Oh really?

not clicking …

300 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:37:42pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

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Yep. We’re doomed.

301 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:38:13pm

re: #294 FemNaziBitch

Yes, money must move. Or the whole thing falls apart.

Which is what has been happening as banks have not been lending, but holding their cash reserves hostage. They will continue to do so until Congress either caves on Dodd-Frank or the banks are forced (somehow) to give-up the fight.

Well, there’s more to it than that. There aren’t borrowers, either. Most folks have little stomach for going into debt after 2008.

But the biggest problem is income and wealth inequality. It’s like Ophelia’s dress - at first it held up the economy as cheap credit made borrowing to buy easy. Now it’s become saturated, and it’s going to pull us all down and drown us.

302 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:39:14pm

re: #299 FemNaziBitch

not clicking …

CLICK IT!

303 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:39:24pm

re: #301 GeneJockey

Well, there’s more to it than that. There aren’t borrowers, either. Most folks have little stomach for going into debt after 2008.

But the biggest problem is income and wealth inequality. It’s like Ophelia’s dress - at first it held up the economy as cheap credit made borrowing to buy easy. Now it’s become saturated, and it’s going to pull us all down and drown us.

I guess I see it all as a result of the break-down of Glass Steagall. Wealth inequality is the result —no?

304 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:39:32pm

re: #302 Kragar

CLICK IT!

NO!!!

305 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:40:40pm

Huh, TPM is running Gatestone Institute ads.

306 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:40:47pm

re: #304 FemNaziBitch

NO!!!

Not even for a chunky giraffe?

307 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:41:10pm

re: #306 Kragar

Not even for a chunky giraffe?

I don’t believe you.

308 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:42:04pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

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OK, I called the dolphin a shark, but that’s no half-a-pigeon, it’s half-a-seagull.

309 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:42:09pm

Why would I lie about a chunky giraffe?

310 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:42:12pm

re: #306 Kragar

Not even for a chunky giraffe?

He looks like he swallowed the Michelin Man.

311 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:43:14pm

re: #310 Interesting Times

He looks like he swallowed the Michelin Man.

“How much do you bench bro?”

312 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:43:15pm

re: #307 FemNaziBitch

I don’t believe you.

It’s not that weird and yes, it’s a chunky giraffe

313 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:43:58pm

re: #307 FemNaziBitch

I don’t believe you.

Much less creepy that the others, except if you’re Floral….

314 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:44:06pm

re: #303 FemNaziBitch

I guess I see it all as a result of the break-down of Glass Steagall. Wealth inequality is the result —no?

No, I think wealth inequality was starting to come into play well before then. Like GeneJockey said, the effects were just muted because of the easy availability of credit, which led to a lot of people being overextended. When the economy started to slow down slightly, things entered a vicious cycle which was exacerbated by the repeal of the Glass Steagall stuff, but that’s not the reason for wealth inequality.

I mean, the whole concept of “trickle down” economics predates the repeal by a lot.

315 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:44:28pm

If you haven’t had your heart-broken today …

Their notion of Christian discipline required breaking her will, a remarkably common belief among conservative Evangelicals. To that end, they frequently beat her, shut her in a closet, and denied her meals. Ultimately, she was left outside where she died of hypothermia exacerbated by malnutrition.

WTF? Isn’t the whole American Myth directly opposed to the concept of Breaking one’s Will?

also paged.

316 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:45:20pm

re: #314 klys

No, I think wealth inequality was starting to come into play well before then. Like GeneJockey said, the effects were just muted because of the easy availability of credit, which led to a lot of people being overextended. When the economy started to slow down slightly, things entered a vicious cycle which was exacerbated by the repeal of the Glass Steagall stuff, but that’s not the reason for wealth inequality.

I mean, the whole concept of “trickle down” economics predates the repeal by a lot.

What time frame are you talking. I see the break-down of Glass-Steagall starting before Reagan.

317 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:48:31pm

re: #303 FemNaziBitch

I guess I see it all as a result of the break-down of Glass Steagall. Wealth inequality is the result —no?

We were already headed that way. Deregulation was going on under Carter, Reagan began the 3 decades of union busting, and of course jobs have been moving offshore for at least that long.

I see it as a series of ‘Deals with the Devil’.

Cheaper foreign goods are great for consumers, except those consumers who lose their jobs.

Unions are an easy target - their workers make more than nonunion workers, and everybody has an “I worked in a union once and they were all lazy fuckoffs” story.

Tax cuts - who doesn’t want lower taxes? It just happened to benefit those with more money more than anyone else.

Deregulation of finance - it seems like a great idea and works really well right up until it almost destroys the world economy.

In all these things, most people benefited AT FIRST, but as they developed, fewer and fewer people benefited more and more.

318 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:48:55pm

The GOP’s ransom demands

Youtube Video

319 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:49:25pm

re: #315 FemNaziBitch

If you haven’t had your heart-broken today …

WTF? Isn’t the whole American Myth directly opposed to the concept of Breaking one’s Will?

also paged.

Durr hurr, at least she wasn’t adopted by a loving gay couple instead!

/Bryan Fisher and Putin

320 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:50:04pm

re: #316 FemNaziBitch

What time frame are you talking. I see the break-down of Glass-Steagall starting before Reagan.

I think the majority of the breakdowns that had an impact on wealth inequality and income stagnation came during or after Reagan, but I’ll admit that this is a fuzzier area for me.

321 sagehen  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:50:06pm

re: #284 aagcobb

The Teahadists are making a lot of noise now because their movement is in it death throes. The politics of racial resentment and religious fundamentalism they use to get whites to vote against their own economic interests has reached the point of diminishing returns as their base ages and America becomes more diverse.

As TNC never tires of pointing out… they *are* voting their interests. Racial resentment and religious fundamentalism really are more important to them than their own personal finances. There’s nothing odd about people putting non-economic values ahead of their bank account. Just like wealthy liberals who vote for candidates that want higher taxes to support more education spending or a more robust safety net.

322 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:51:31pm

re: #316 FemNaziBitch

What time frame are you talking. I see the break-down of Glass-Steagall starting before Reagan.

Glass Steagall itself wasn’t repealed until 1999. Financial deregulation as a process began pretty much under Reagan, though.

323 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:54:57pm

re: #318 Kragar

The GOP’s ransom demands

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Damn, that was quick. And fucking hilarious!

324 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:55:33pm

re: #315 FemNaziBitch

Unfortately, Alternet also produces piffle such as this:

Get Out While You Can: Why Young Americans Should Emigrate

Yeah, I’ll get right on that, once I have a large amount of money enough to go globe hopping for a job. Meanwhile, the World Economy is not doing that much better, with Europe still teetering on crisis, and other places having issues of their own.

/sarc

Alternet seems to be made up by rich, entitled moonbats. Most of us have a rough time affording to go to another state, let alone another country.

325 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:55:57pm

Allen West found the Line That Shall Not Be Crossed at PJM.


Didn’t know they had one.

326 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:56:13pm

re: #315 FemNaziBitch

I’m sorry, but anyone who repeatedly beats and abuses their kid is already scum in my book, I don’t care what your justification is. If your actions lead to that kid dying, that’s murder, IMO.

327 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:57:30pm


Heh.

328 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:58:04pm

re: #325 wrenchwench

Bigoted, crazed far right nutjob turns out to be antisemitic, too. PJ MEDIA SHOCKED!

329 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:58:29pm

re: #324 ProTARDISLiberal

Unfortately, Alternet also produces piffle such as this:

Get Out While You Can: Why Young Americans Should Emigrate

Yeah, I’ll get right on that, once I have a large amount of money enough to go globe hopping for a job. Meanwhile, the World Economy is not doing that much better, with Europe still teetering on crisis, and other places having issues of their own.

/sarc

Alternet seems to be made up by rich, entitled moonbats. Most of us have a rough time affording to go to another state, let alone another country.

Frankly, I agree. I’ve been telling the young people I know they must learn at least one additional language. They must be prepared to go anywhere on the globe they can find a job. They can’t depend on finding one here.

I’ve been watching young people from other countries that come to the U.S. They think nothing of it. They go where the work is.

It’s a global marketplace.

330 b.d.  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:00:03pm

re: #325 wrenchwench

Allen West found the Line That Shall Not Be Crossed at PJM.

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Didn’t know they had one.

Hahahahaha; how’d that “confidential announcement” work out for you PJM?

331 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:00:15pm

Next up, Allen West blames Israel for Pearl Harbor.

332 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:00:37pm

re: #329 FemNaziBitch

Frankly, I agree. I’ve been telling the young people I know they must learn at least one additional language. They must be prepared to go anywhere on the globe they can find a job. They can’t depend on finding one here.

I’ve been watching young people from other countries that come to the U.S. They think nothing of it. They go where the work is.

It’s a global marketplace.

I’ve been living in Europe for 12 years now, happily living as an English teacher. Had some ups, some downs, but on the whole, I really can’t complain.

333 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:00:37pm

re: #328 Charles Johnson

Bigoted, crazed far right nutjob turns out to be antisemitic, too. PJ MEDIA SHOCKED!

Crazy thing is, I bet West has attacked Obama for being insufficiently obsequious to Israel.

The Right love Teh Juice, but mostly as firewood for Revelation.

334 b.d.  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:00:55pm

re: #325 wrenchwench

Allen West found the Line That Shall Not Be Crossed at PJM.

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Didn’t know they had one.

1st AMENDMENTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!

335 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:00:57pm

re: #328 Charles Johnson

Suddenly dozens of male tweeters question if “Jewish American Princess” is really offensive/
twitter.com

336 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:01:27pm

re: #332 Dr Lizardo

I’ve been living in Europe for 12 years now, happily living as an English teacher. Had some ups, some downs, but on the whole, I really can’t complain.

Add Climate Change to the mix and it’s easy (IMHO) to see why we need to prepare our young people for a future that may be outside the USA.

337 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:01:28pm

re: #329 FemNaziBitch

Frankly, I agree. I’ve been telling the young people I know they must learn at least one additional language. They must be prepared to go anywhere on the globe they can find a job. They can’t depend on finding one here.

I’ve been watching young people from other countries that come to the U.S. They think nothing of it. They go where the work is.

It’s a global marketplace.

I’ve definitely considered it. My husband is pushing to live overseas for at least a year at some point.

338 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:02:54pm

re: #321 sagehen

As TNC never tires of pointing out… they *are* voting their interests. Racial resentment and religious fundamentalism really are more important to them than their own personal finances. There’s nothing odd about people putting non-economic values ahead of their bank account. Just like wealthy liberals who vote for candidates that want higher taxes to support more education spending or a more robust safety net.

I like to think that wealthy liberals realize its in the long term best interest of them and their children to live in a nation with a clean environment, a robust middle class, and that provides opportunity and decent living conditions to its poor.

339 b.d.  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:03:25pm

re: #335 jaunte

Suddenly dozens of male tweeters question if “Jewish American Princess” is really offensive/
twitter.com

IF SHE IS JEWISH THEN SHE IS PROBABLY A DIMOCRAT AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE FIRED FOR BEING A PLANT!!1!

340 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:03:57pm

re: #338 aagcobb

I like to think that wealthy liberals realize its in the long term best interest of them and their children to live in a nation with a clean environment, a robust middle class, and that provides opportunity and decent living conditions to its poor.

naw, it’s all about getting what you can, while you can and then making sure no one else can take it.

I haven’t seen that work real well in my life.

341 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:04:05pm

re: #332 Dr Lizardo

I’ve been living in Europe for 12 years now, happily living as an English teacher. Had some ups, some downs, but on the whole, I really can’t complain.

Especially now that you have a Starbucks!

342 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:04:10pm

bbl

343 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:05:38pm

re: #329 FemNaziBitch

Problem is, I have an extremely difficult time with learning languages. To the point that I had to get special allowances in College.

Not only that, but I do want to have a family. This causes 2 issues.

a) How do you make personal connections when you will be moving year to year and

b) How do you raise a kid when you are moving as often as the military does, and worse still, going to a completely new location, with no cultural ties to the last one.

Not to mention I am someone who is already struggling with loneliness. I want a place where I know I am loved. How am I supposed to find that skittle-pinning across the planet.

But no, that doesn’t matter anymore. Cause it is all about making big businesses happy, never mind the miserable individuals like me.

People want to know why I am getting so cold and bitter? This, right here, is why. If I can’t make permanent personal connections, and everyone will leave, why not become the man on the cloud?

344 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:06:38pm

re: #335 jaunte

Suddenly dozens of male tweeters question if “Jewish American Princess” is really offensive/
twitter.com

Absolutely no sexist or bigoted, stereotypical implications here; you are being the PC bigot for implying it!!///

345 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:06:44pm

re: #341 aagcobb

Especially now that you have a Starbucks!

CIVILIZATION AT LAST!!!

:)

346 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:07:40pm

re: #337 klys

I’ve definitely considered it. My husband is pushing to live overseas for at least a year at some point.

I’ve considered it too. I can already speak Spanish. Learning Italian, French, or Portuguese wouldn’t be that far of a stretch.

Still, I’m in no financial position to move out of state, much less out of the country. I’mma be here a while unless I win the lottery.

347 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:07:47pm

re: #343 ProTARDISLiberal

And to compound this, the region everyone talks about with Europe?

The Saudi, MB, and Taliban sympathetic nutcases have much more influence there.

348 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:07:58pm

re: #345 Dr Lizardo

CIVILIZATION AT LAST!!!

:)

Dude, Civ V’s been out for years.

//

349 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:08:34pm

Fun Fact: I’ve never had more than a sip of coffee in my entire life. Can’t stand the stuff. I like the smell, but the taste makes me retch.

True story.

350 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:09:04pm

re: #339 b.d.

351 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:10:16pm

re: #350 Lidane

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“How come I can’t use n*gg*r when blacks do it all the time?”

352 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:10:45pm

re: #336 FemNaziBitch

Add Climate Change to the mix and it’s easy (IMHO) to see why we need to prepare our young people for a future that may be outside the USA.

What’s funny though is this; Czechs like to stick close to home, to be honest, and a lot of my students simply can’t comprehend how in the world I can be happy living somewhere other than the nation where I was born.

I once had a group of students, all of whom were job-seekers, whining that they couldn’t find work; I suggested to them they should look in Prague, which - broadly speaking - has a very good jobs market, especially if you’re young and you speak (more or less) fluent English. They were horrified at this suggestion. From their reaction, you would’ve thought I’d told them to pack up all their worldly possessions and search for employment on Mars.

LOL

353 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:11:23pm

re: #349 Kragar

Fun Fact: I’ve never had more than a sip of coffee in my entire life. Can’t stand the stuff. I like the smell, but the taste makes me retch.

True story.

On the one hand, poor bastard. On the other, more for us!

354 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:11:40pm

re: #349 Kragar

Fun Fact: I’ve never had more than a sip of coffee in my entire life. Can’t stand the stuff. I like the smell, but the taste makes me retch.

True story.

Get all my caffeine from sweet iced tea. Only time I can drink a cup of coffee is after I’ve pretty much nuked it with creamer and several packets of sugar.

355 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:12:25pm

This is hilarious and shows how extreme the fundy crowd has gotten.
From sarah palin’s latest FB screech:

“Kudos to Rev. Graham for taking action today. I have so much respect for him. As my dad wrote about in his book, Billy Graham was the man who led my mom to Christ years ago, which resulted in the rest of the family becoming Christians in the 70s.”

Guess what the family was before they “became Christians”?

Roman Catholic.

356 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:12:35pm

re: #352 Dr Lizardo

What’s funny though is this; Czechs like to stick close to home, to be honest, and a lot of my students simply can’t comprehend how in the world I can be happy living somewhere other than the nation where I was born.

I once had a group of students, all of whom were job-seekers, whining that they couldn’t find work; I suggested to them they should look in Prague, which - broadly speaking - has a very good jobs market, especially if you’re young and you speak (more or less) fluent English. They were horrified at this suggestion. From their reaction, you would’ve thought I’d told them to pack up all their worldly possessions and search for employment on Mars.

LOL

There are so many Americans who do this too. A surprising number of my friends are living within 100 miles of where they grew up/their parents live.

I can’t understand that. Then again, I grew up in NJ.

357 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:13:00pm

re: #354 Targetpractice

Get all my caffeine from sweet iced tea. Only time I can drink a cup of coffee is after I’ve pretty much nuked it with creamer and several packets of sugar.

Yeesh,

Black as night, hot as hell, strong as love, and pure as an angel’s kiss is the only way to drink coffee.

358 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:13:04pm

re: #354 Targetpractice

Get all my caffeine from sweet iced tea. Only time I can drink a cup of coffee is after I’ve pretty much nuked it with creamer and several packets of sugar.

Unsweetened tea with lemon for me. Do you have any idea how hard it was to find iced tea in the south that didn’t have sugar in it?

359 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:13:46pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is hilarious and shows how extreme the fundy crowd has gotten.
From sarah palin’s latest FB screech:

Guess what the family was before they “became Christians”?

Roman Catholic.

There are 2 types of Christians. There are Roman Catholics and Splitters.

360 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:14:31pm

re: #343 ProTARDISLiberal

Moving gives you opportunities to meet new people, and with the Internet it’s a lot easier than it used to be to stay in touch. It’s not necessarily a permanent move either - get some experience and things can open up that weren’t there before.

361 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:15:12pm

re: #356 klys

There are so many Americans who do this too. A surprising number of my friends are living within 100 miles of where they grew up/their parents live.

I can’t understand that. Then again, I grew up in NJ.

I dated a young woman in the late 1990s - I was living in L.A. at the time - who had never been out of the city limits of Los Angeles in her entire life.

She was 31 at the time.

362 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:15:55pm

re: #358 Kragar

Unsweetened tea with lemon for me. Do you have any idea how hard it was to find iced tea in the south that didn’t have sugar in it?

No, but I was raised on the stuff on account of being raised in the South. I can drink tea without sugar, but the bitterness kills me after awhile.

363 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:16:18pm

re: #349 Kragar

Fun Fact: I’ve never had more than a sip of coffee in my entire life. Can’t stand the stuff. I like the smell, but the taste makes me retch.

True story.

It’s an aquired taste. Couldn’t stand the stuff until I joined the Navy and hit my first sea going command. It started out as a means to keep me awake and soon grew into a habit/addiction. Used to drink about 2 pots a day. Now, it’s 3 cups (B&B) and straight water until 1500 hrs when I switch over to beer.

364 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:16:37pm

re: #361 Dr Lizardo

I dated a young woman in the late 1990s - I was living in L.A. at the time - who had never been out of the city limits of Los Angeles in her entire life.

She was 31 at the time.

I lived in a rural farming community in Illinois for almost 20 years.
There were people there in their 80s and 90s who had never been more than 5-10 miles from the house where they were born.

365 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:16:51pm

re: #361 Dr Lizardo

I dated a young woman in the late 1990s - I was living in L.A. at the time - who had never been out of the city limits of Los Angeles in her entire life.

She was 31 at the time.

When I was in college, a friend of mine went on her first plane flight. At 19.

Given that mine was when I was 2 months old or so, I was a little surprised.

366 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:17:00pm

re: #360 klys

Moving gives you opportunities to meet new people, and with the Internet it’s a lot easier than it used to be to stay in touch. It’s not necessarily a permanent move either - get some experience and things can open up that weren’t there before.

Sadly, for folks On The Spectrum, this isn’t really a plus.

367 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:17:47pm

re: #357 GeneJockey

Yeesh,

Black as night, hot as hell, strong as love, and pure as an angel’s kiss is the only way to drink coffee.

Also known as Black and bitter vs a Blonde and Sweet aka milkshake.

368 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:19:04pm

re: #360 klys

Yeah, and then move again in a year or two. And do this for the rest of my life because the market says so.

That is not conducive for having any sort of long-term relationship. And if that is the way the world is going, then I’ll simply close off emotionally and not care anymore.

369 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:19:08pm

re: #366 GeneJockey

Sadly, for folks On The Spectrum, this isn’t really a plus.

A fair point, but particularly if looking for a personal relationship, it is sometimes necessary.

370 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:20:47pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

I lived in a rural farming community in Illinois for almost 20 years.
There were people there in their 80s and 90s who had never been more than 5-10 miles from the house where they were born.

Sounds like where I grew up. And everyone was related to each other, and their names all ended in “-baugh’. Not us, though - we moved there, and were seen as outsiders, even after a couple decades.

Funny thing is, when I was in high school, all the guys talked about how they were going to move far away when they were adults, and with very few exceptions, they settled down in the same place as their parents.

371 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:20:51pm

re: #362 Targetpractice

No, but I was raised on the stuff on account of being raised in the South. I can drink tea without sugar, but the bitterness kills me after awhile.

I prefer asking for unsweet tea and sweetening it myself. Sweet tea in restaurants is ridiculously sweet. They basically combine however many teabags they need with an entire bag of sugar in the commercial brewers. Makes my teeth hurt.

372 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:21:32pm

re: #365 klys

When I was in college, a friend of mine went on her first plane flight. At 19.

Given that mine was when I was 2 months old or so, I was a little surprised.

My first husband (RIP) horrified his family by moving 20 miles away from the village where they lived for three generations.
He had his first plane trip (it was to England!) when he was 52 years old. It was on British Airways and I alerted them ahead of time that it was his first flight EVER, and the flight crew hovered over him the entire trip, even though we were seated back in steerage. The pilot even came back to give spouse his “wings” pin.
It was so cute.

373 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:21:35pm

re: #363 Bubblehead II

It’s an aquired taste. Couldn’t stand the stuff until I joined the Navy and hit my first sea going command. It started out as a means to keep me awake and soon grew into a habit/addiction. Used to drink about 2 pots a day. Now, it’s 3 cups (B&B) and straight water until 1500 hrs when I switch over to beer.

I’ve had coffee brewed by a 20+ year Navy jet mech. The kind you can practically taste the JP-5 in. Best when reheated at least twice.

374 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:21:53pm

re: #368 ProTARDISLiberal

You’re extrapolating straight to the worst case scenario, which is that you could never find a job that would allow you to settle down. I don’t believe that would be the case.

However, it could give you the opportunity to get the experience that you need to pursue jobs that are currently out of your reach due to the experience requirements.

My husband quit grad school and moved to Japan instead. He lived there for two and a half years before coming back to the states and he’s currently owned this house for 17 years. Nothing says moving now commits you to moving all the time for the rest of your life, unless you do it by joining the military. But I think we’re both allergic to that concept, so…

375 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:22:17pm

re: #369 klys

A fair point, but particularly if looking for a personal relationship, it is sometimes necessary.

Approach/avoidance conflicts - don’cha love ‘em?

376 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:22:44pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s just mind-boggling to me.

re: #365 klys

One of my students recently went on her first trip outside of her little village. She went by train to Bratislava. She’s 24.

377 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:23:40pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

My first husband (RIP) horrified his family by moving 20 miles away from the village where they lived for three generations.
He had his first plane trip (it was to England!) when he was 52 years old. It was on British Airways and I alerted them ahead of time that it was his first flight EVER, and the flight crew hovered over him the entire trip, even though we were seated back in steerage. The pilot even came back to give spouse his “wings” pin.
It was so cute.

My parents moved to NJ right after college - my mom is originally from WI and my dad was an Air Force brat - so I suspect my lack of needing to live close to my parents is something I picked up by example.

The love of travel comes from being with the husband, although I’d done some on my own (Norway and Scotland come to mind).

378 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:23:56pm

re: #371 Lidane

I prefer asking for unsweet tea and sweetening it myself. Sweet tea in restaurants is ridiculously sweet. They basically combine however many teabags they need with an entire bag of sugar in the commercial brewers. Makes my teeth hurt.

Sugar does not mix into cold tea. I’ve had more than one waitress try to tell me different and I’ve showed her the pile of sugar granules on the bottom as proof.

379 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:24:33pm

re: #370 GeneJockey

Sounds like where I grew up. And everyone was related to each other, and their names all ended in “-baugh’. Not us, though - we moved there, and were seen as outsiders, even after a couple decades.

Funny thing is, when I was in high school, all the guys talked about how they were going to move far away when they were adults, and with very few exceptions, they settled down in the same place as their parents.

heh! In that town the phone book was about 15 pages and more than half of it was family names beginning with the letter “B”, mostly German and Dutch.

Where I live now, the same names occur over and over and over in every generation, going back 200+ years. “Bill Tom” as a given name seems to be particularly popular.

380 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:25:20pm

re: #375 GeneJockey

Approach/avoidance conflicts - don’cha love ‘em?

I am an introvert. To the point where some of my preschool teachers thought I might be on the spectrum. I’ll admit my social skills are probably lacking in some areas.

I solved this problem by falling for a guy online.

381 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:25:56pm

re: #370 GeneJockey

also, family names in that Illinois town also ended in “-baugh”, as well as “-dorf” and “-hausen”.

382 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:29:18pm

re: #377 klys

My parents moved to NJ right after college - my mom is originally from WI and my dad was an Air Force brat - so I suspect my lack of needing to live close to my parents is something I picked up by example.

The love of travel comes from being with the husband, although I’d done some on my own (Norway and Scotland come to mind).

I’m an Air Force brat and when my father left the AF in the mid-50s, he became a R&R radio guy. We moved almost every year until I was 13.
When the TV show “WKRP in Cincinnati” came out, we loved the theme song because it was how we grew up: “town to town, up and down the dial”.

383 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:29:47pm

re: #374 klys

With my luck, it will be that way.

People around me are moving forward, getting married, having children. Meanwhile, I am struggling to even find a job so I can start looking for a special someone.

And I am someone with a Bachelor’s Degree too. Still getting nowhere. I want to see the world, but I also want a place to call home.

It becomes very hard to empathize with people when you realize you are the runt of the litter among your friends, and your efforts to even more forward ended cut off at every turn.

384 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:30:57pm

Tea is meant to be brewed hot, then chilled. Anyone who does it differently is a calamitous Philistine.

385 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:32:42pm

re: #384 Kragar

Tea is meant to be brewed hot, then chilled. Anyone who does it differently is a calamitous Philistine.

Amen! Pass the sugar.

386 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:35:22pm

re: #380 klys

I am an introvert. To the point where some of my preschool teachers thought I might be on the spectrum. I’ll admit my social skills are probably lacking in some areas.

I solved this problem by falling for a guy online.

My older son is officially Aspergerian, but he didn’t get it from the neighbors, so we’re in a similar boat.

I lucked out by meeting THE perfect woman for me the first week of Freshman Year. But it took another 13 years before she realized it.

During that time, I had no problem dating in college, where everyone’s always smushed together and you all live within walking distance etc. After college I had a very lonely 9 years, as it was MUCH, MUCH harder dating as an adult.

387 leftynyc  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:36:36pm

re: #333 GeneJockey

Crazy thing is, I bet West has attacked Obama for being insufficiently obsequious to Israel.

The Right love Teh Juice, but mostly as firewood for Revelation.

No - they love Israel (the land) - they still hate the Jews.

388 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:36:52pm

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

also, family names in that Illinois town also ended in “-baugh”, as well as “-dorf” and “-hausen”.

My wife and I like to say we grew up in the same small town, 300 miles apart. Same deal - farming community, everyone related to each other, her family moved in and were outsiders. But there, everyone was Dutch and their names ended in “-ink”.

389 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:37:10pm

re: #343 ProTARDISLiberal

Problem is, I have an extremely difficult time with learning languages. To the point that I had to get special allowances in College.

Not only that, but I do want to have a family. This causes 2 issues.

a) How do you make personal connections when you will be moving year to year and

b) How do you raise a kid when you are moving as often as the military does, and worse still, going to a completely new location, with no cultural ties to the last one.

Not to mention I am someone who is already struggling with loneliness. I want a place where I know I am loved. How am I supposed to find that skittle-pinning across the planet.

But no, that doesn’t matter anymore. Cause it is all about making big businesses happy, never mind the miserable individuals like me.

People want to know why I am getting so cold and bitter? This, right here, is why. If I can’t make permanent personal connections, and everyone will leave, why not become the man on the cloud?

Well, some of us have to stay here in order to anchor the place down and run it, and besides, the US is becoming so multicultural, we won’t have to travel to get a taste of other cultures. You don’t have to travel the world, or live that way, if you understand that people are essentially the same everywhere—and one of the values they hold is the sense of place in the world.

Vacays, if we had enough money, could always suffice to get an idea of the history and cultures of other places, but then there’s the additional problem of jet travel to the environment. After being moved from here to there as a child, it’s not so much the “place” that’s important, it’s the people and relationships you develop anyway. Moving to another country is not something to take lightly, and many might talk about it, but few do.

Maybe those reasons are why I loathe the idea of being a corporate gypsy. I’m not that special person who would voluntarily separate myself from others, who wants to be constantly uprooted, probably because of going to 12 schools in 11 years, which can have a profound effect on a person, esp kids.

In the end, though, it boils down to personal preferences. But your life shouldn’t depend upon it.

390 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:39:00pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is hilarious and shows how extreme the fundy crowd has gotten.
From sarah palin’s latest FB screech:

Guess what the family was before they “became Christians”?

Roman Catholic.

We know what you are, SP, and it’s not a christian.

391 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:40:01pm

re: #386 GeneJockey

My older son is officially Aspergerian, but it didn’t get it from the neighbors, so we’re in a similar boat.

I lucked out by meeting THE perfect woman for me the first week of Freshman Year. But it took another 13 years before she realized it.

During that time, I had no problem dating in college, where everyone’s always smushed together and you all live within walking distance etc. After college I had a very lonely 9 years, as it was MUCH, MUCH harder dating as an adult.

My parents are both engineers.

I dated for the first time as a sophomore in college and while I learned a lot from that relationship, I wouldn’t say it was a healthy one either.

Then I met the hubby online and crushed on him hard (to the point of figuring out when he was online and being sure I was too) and things moved from there.

392 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:42:02pm

re: #378 Targetpractice

Sugar does not mix into cold tea. I’ve had more than one waitress try to tell me different and I’ve showed her the pile of sugar granules on the bottom as proof.

I’m a heathen. I use either a packet of Splenda or Truvia in my iced tea. Unsweet tea is too bitter and prepared sweet tea is too sweet.

393 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:43:23pm

Doesn’t anyone just meet in a night club anymore?

394 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:44:32pm

re: #393 Kragar

Doesn’t anyone just meet in a night club anymore?

I don’t think I’ve ever been to one.

395 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:46:00pm

re: #391 klys

My parents are both engineers.

I dated for the first time as a sophomore in college and while I learned a lot from that relationship, I wouldn’t say it was a healthy one either.

Then I met the hubby online and crushed on him hard (to the point of figuring out when he was online and being sure I was too) and things moved from there.

I’ve learned a lot from not-so-healthy relationships, like “If a girl you’re dating says she wants to be friends and means it, RUN. Otherwise she’ll pull your heart out, take a few big bites, and stomp the rest into the ground, every week, for as long as you let her.”

I tried to tell my more Neurotypical son this, but no, he let a girl pull his heart out, take a few big bites, and stomp the rest into the ground, every week, for as long as he let her. Must run in the family.

396 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:49:03pm

re: #395 GeneJockey

I’ve learned a lot from not-so-healthy relationships, like “If a girl you’re dating says she wants to be friends and means it, RUN. Otherwise she’ll pull your heart out, take a few big bites, and stomp the rest into the ground, every week, for as long as you let her.”

I tried to tell my more Neurotypical son this, but no, he let a girl pull his heart out, take a few big bites, and stomp the rest into the ground, every week, for as long as he let her. Must run in the family.

If a guy says he’s polyamorous and you aren’t, just stop. It’s not going to work.

397 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:50:19pm

re: #396 klys

If a guy says he’s polyamorous and you aren’t, just stop. It’s not going to work.

I took 2.5 years to figure that one out, so you’re all welcome.

398 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:52:47pm

If you’re dating two girls and they find out about each other, even if it all seems to be going well at first, you’ll end up with neither.

399 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:53:13pm

re: #398 GeneJockey

If you’re dating two girls and they find out about each other, even if it all seems to be going well at first, you’ll end up with neither.

I could have told you that one.

400 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:55:53pm

If a girl breaks up with you, but then starts dropping by your room, but won’t go out with you, you’re not really dating.

BTW, why is it that women get free rematches?

re: #399 klys

I could have told you that one.

That would have helped, but it was 36 years ago. Were you even alive then?

401 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:56:56pm

re: #400 GeneJockey

If a girl breaks up with you, but then starts dropping by your room, but won’t go out with you, you’re not really dating.

BTW, why is it that women get free rematches?

That would have helped, but it was 36 years ago. Were you even alive then?

Hahahaha, no.

But at least my parents were dating 36 years ago?

402 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:58:32pm

The more I hear of XXI Century dating, the more thankful I am for XX Cent nuns.

403 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 2:00:47pm

re: #402 Decatur Deb

The more I hear of XXI Century dating, the more thankful I am for XX Cent nuns.

I think the Stewardess needs to top off your drink again. ;)

404 Drimble Wedge  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 2:26:18pm

re: #201 Skip Intro

This method suggested by my vet works for me (aided by an assistant):

Step 1: Pick up cat at scruff of neck

Step 2: Drop cat into large pillowcase held by assistant

Step 3: Lower pillowcase into open carrier

Step 4: Close carrier

And like yours, our cats are very easy to put into the carrier for their return home.

405 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:11:17pm

re: #343 ProTARDISLiberal

There’s no need to skip around the globe year by year. By chance, I found a pretty good gig teaching English in China, and now I’m in my 6th year at the same university. If you stay in one place long enough, eventually you will make friends. The foreign English teachers who skip from place to place are just doing it for the paid travel opportunities, or as a way to escape from something in their past, and they don’t really want to make lasting friendships.

Expats fall into three large groups:
1. Those who are happy in general, no matter where they live. They make local friends, learn the local language, and try to fit in.
2. Those who are looking for happiness, and hope they can find it abroad. They are looking for quick fixes, which seldom happen.
3. Those who are generally grumpy no matter where they live, and spend their days complaining to other expats about day-to-day inconveniences.

I’m in group 1, by the way.


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