Dogs in Slo-Mo: SHAKE

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Learn more about SHAKE the book: www.ShakeTheBook.com
See the photography series: www.CarliDavidson.com

Shake off all the worries on your mind and smile! The dogs featured in SHAKE are simply here to offer you a couple minutes of wonder and laughter. :)

SHAKE is based on a photography series of the same name by co-director Carli Davidson. The work was inspired by her own dog Norbert, whose drool she regularly cleans off walls due to his own frequent shaking.

In 2012 the Variable team stumbled upon Carli Davidson’s photo-series-gone-viral, “SHAKE”, and immediately fell in love with the images of dogs that she was able to capture. The combination of innocence and ridiculousness had us all hysterically laughing, and of course thinking; “We NEED to meet this Carli and bring her images to life!” Fortunately for us, Carli responded to our enthusiastic e-mail with an even more enthusiastic e-mail stating that she was totally down to collaborate and had a very similar vision! After months and many meetings of trying to figure out how we could even afford to make this film, we all just decided to empty our pockets, pull some serious strings, and make the video purely for the fun of it.

If you are fans of the video, there is a very good chance you will enjoy the book as well. Check it out on the link below and please consider supporting our awesome friend Carli. This is her first book, and we are certain it won’t be her last!

www.ShakeTheBook.com

*No dogs were harmed during the making of this film. We love animals. Please reach out to carlidavidson@gmail.com directly if you have any questions or concerns about the animal’s rolls and we will get back to you asap. Thanks in advance!

For press inquiries about SHAKE please contact:
carlidavidson@gmail.com

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Production Company: Variable ?
Directors: Carli Davidson & Jonathan Bregel
Executive Producer: Tyler Ginter
Producers: Carli Davidson & Alex Friedman
Director of Photography: Khalid Mohtaseb
Camera Master/Phantom Technician: Nick Midwig
Assistant Camera: Daniel Stewart
Gaffer: Travis Becker
Animal Wrangler: Amanda Giese
Craft Services: Tim Wiesch
Production Assistant: Cheyenne Allott

Post Production: Variable & The Mill
Editor: Jonathan Bregel
Assistant Editor: Jeff Levine
Post Production Producer: Alex Friedman
Head of Content: Ian Bearce @ The Mill
TK Producer: Heath Raymond @ The Mill
Colourist: Sal Malfitano @ The Mill

Score: Mayer Hawthorne “Shiny & New”
Label: Stones Throw Records

Special thanks to the amazing team at Rule Boston Camera for trusting us yet again with their Phantom Flex camera package. None of this would be possible without their support over the past few years. www.Rule.com

Thank you to the entire Becker family and Becker Productions for kindly providing us with a great studio space and plenty of lighting and grip to cover with dog hair and drool.

Last but most certainly not least, thanks to all of the wonderful dogs and their owners for collaborating with our team in making this idea a reality. Next time we are in Portland, dog treats are on us. ;)

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www.facebook.com/Carli.Davidson.Photography
carlidavidson@gmail.com

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327 comments
1 jaunte  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 8:36:21pm

carlidavidsonphotography.com
I’ve seen this look in the mirror before.

2 freetoken  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 10:48:36pm

MP3 Audio

3 Kragar  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:17:12pm

League Of The South’s President To Blacks: Go Along, Fight, Or Get Out

Once again, Hill makes clear that the League of the South does not advocate for non-whites in the South (read the rest of the conversation). The League is not interested in a multi-racial South unless non-whites go along with the League’s belief that the South is a homeland for whites of European stock. Elsewhere, Hill has made it clear that, in the eyes of the League, Southerners are white people.

In light of Hill’s comments, I again ask League of the South board member Michael Peroutka if he supports his president and fellow board member’s rhetoric? Mr. Peroutka, are Southerners only of European descent? Do you still pledge the work of the Institute on the Constitution to the League’s vision of the South?

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:25:01pm

If those blacks didn’t like it in the South, they should not have emigrated there in the first place!

/

5 Kragar  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:26:12pm

League of the South Rules of Engagement to Help White Southerners Survive

Leaving no doubt as to the aim of their advocacy, the League posted a simplified FAQ on their Facebook page. Here is a taste:

Q. Who are the Southern People?
A. The descendants of European, Christian peoples who settled the Southern regions of North America

Q. What is a kith and kin nation?
A. A People bound together by blood and soil

Q. What do we mean by Anglo-Celtic?
A. The Peoples of the British Isles

Q. Is The League of the South a Christian organization?
A. We defend and promote Western Christian civilization.

Q. Is The League of the South a “racist” organization?
A. The term “racist” is an anti-White, anti-Southern slur.

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:28:54pm

sounds like the result of a lot of serious inbreeding…

7 Kragar  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:29:54pm

re: #6 Sol Berdinowitz

sounds like the result of a lot of serious inbreeding…

Got to keep those pure Southern Bloodlines.

8 piratedan  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:34:44pm

re: #5 Kragar

well we’ve been trying to enlighten those good folks for 160 years post the Civil War and they refuse to understand that their way has been rejected, socially, militarily and politically… they’re essentially cockroaches.

9 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:37:31pm

re: #5 Kragar

Q. What is a kith and kin nation?
A. A People bound together by blood and soil

Blood and Soil

10 Kragar  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:38:57pm

re: #9 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Blood and Soil

My surprise, let me show you.

11 Lidane  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:43:09pm

re: #5 Kragar

Q. Who are the Southern People?
A. The descendants of European, Christian peoples who settled the Southern regions of North America

Does that include people with roots in Spain? By this bigot’s definition, I’m part of the Southern People. I’m white, I have European ancestry (mostly Spain, but there’s some “Anglo-Celtic” in there too) and my family has been in what is now Texas since it was part of Mexico.

I mean, he does realize that white people here in the South aren’t all German or “Anglo-Celtic” right?

12 Kragar  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:45:34pm

re: #11 Lidane

Does that include people with roots in Spain? By this bigot’s definition, I’m part of the Southern People. I’m white, I have European ancestry (mostly Spain, but there’s some “Anglo-Celtic” in there too) and my family has been in what is now Texas since it was part of Mexico.

I mean, he does realize that white people here in the South aren’t all German or “Anglo-Celtic” right?

Oh, those aren’t “real” Southerners according to them.
/

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:45:34pm

And these people will find others to rationalize their positions and insisit that it is neither radical nor dangerous.

Others will criticize them for their extremism, at which point they will whine about being censored and marginalized and that their critics are the “true raciests”, etc…

14 Lidane  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:47:14pm

re: #5 Kragar

Q. Is The League of the South a “racist” organization?
A. The term “racist” is an anti-White, anti-Southern slur.

This made me laugh out loud. So much fail in a single sentence.

15 Kragar  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:55:54pm

League of the South

The League of the South describes itself as a Southern nationalist organization, headquartered in Killen, Alabama, which states that its ultimate goal is “a free and independent Southern republic.” The group defines the Southern United States as the states that made up the former Confederacy. It claims to be also a religious and social movement, advocating a return to a more traditionally conservative, Christian-oriented Southern culture.

What charming folks.
/

16 piratedan  Mon, Oct 21, 2013 11:57:34pm

re: #14 Lidane

This made me laugh out loud. So much fail in a single sentence.

not all “southerners” feel that way, but yeah, there’s a fair number of folks that adhere to that set of “principles” and while they may have lost the Civil War, they really haven’t ever stopped fighting it. Spent my HS years in Raleigh, it was 1979 that the billboard in Smithfield-Selma was taken down that said, “The KKK Welcomes you to Smithfield-Selma”, not 1879, 1979.

17 Lidane  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:01:43am

re: #15 Kragar

The League of the South describes itself as a Southern nationalist organization, headquartered in Killen, Alabama, which states that its ultimate goal is “a free and independent Southern republic.” The group defines the Southern United States as the states that made up the former Confederacy. It claims to be also a religious and social movement, advocating a return to a more traditionally conservative, Christian-oriented Southern culture.

That’s mighty white of them.

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18 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:07:00am

lettice knollys

can’t beat a name like that

beautiful woman, too…

19 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:09:50am

a return to a more traditionally conservative, Christian-oriented Southern culture

if only there was some way to interpret that that didn’t end up being nasty

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:21:32am

The GOP knows that it cannot afford to alienate these people…no matter what the cost.

21 Pip's Squeak  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:24:36am

re: #2 freetoken

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Danish?

22 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:24:47am

Five hundred million pings!
-Chuck Todd

23 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:34:01am

re: #22 Varek Raith

Five hundred million pings!
-Chuck Todd

and nary a cookie from a porn site could be found…..

24 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:41:07am

FreedomWorks CEO promises Chris Matthews: Tea Party will ‘upgrade’ southern GOP by 2014

Despite reports that his group is nearly broke, FreedomWorks CEO Matt Kibbe predicted in an interview with MSNBC host Chris Matthews on Monday that his group would help Tea Party Republicans dominate the GOP within a year.

“I think it’s a process,” Kibbe told Matthews. “I think it happens by 2014, ‘cause we’re trying to shift the center of gravity.”

Kibbe did note that he favored supporting moderate Republicans in liberal-leaning states, but southern states like South Carolina should be represented by a “hardcore constitutional conservative that doesn’t want to spend money we don’t have.”

25 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:54:04am

re: #24 Kragar

FreedomWorks CEO promises Chris Matthews: Tea Party will ‘upgrade’ southern GOP by 2014

just once I would have liked to see someone from Fox bother to interview someone from Occupy just to listen to their disdain for a real person be evident on the air for all to see. Unfortunately, those guys know that they are oit of their depth in the real world, so they don’t venture there often.

26 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:55:09am

The Tea Party knows the best way to win the South is to go bat fuck insane.

27 Lidane  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:56:06am

So Idiot Wingnut Cousin unfriended me on Facebook a few weeks back because I had the audacity to call him out on what amounted to a series of racist posts on his part. He’d posted stuff from the ACA site in different languages, you know, “just in case Americans forget how to speak English”. I basically told him that unless he was a native American born and raised on the rez he was descended from immigrants too. He unfriended me after that.

Tonight I had a different cousin message me and tell me that he’d finally unfriended Idiot Wingnut tonight because he couldn’t deal with his ignorance and fail anymore. And I learned something that explained Idiot’s motives and his wingnut zeal in lashing out at anything positive about liberals, Obama, Democrats, etc. Turns out that Idiot lost his job in 2007-2008 when the economy collapsed the last time. Idiot and his wife and kids ended up living with his parents for at least 2 years. During that time, he wasn’t working and lived on welfare.

It’s shame. He’s ashamed, which is the only thing that makes sense. His pride took such a hit when he spent two years on welfare that now he’s gone full metal wingnut and teabagger to make up for it.

28 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:57:26am

re: #26 Kragar

The Tea Party knows the best way to win the South is to go bat fuck insane.

The GOP missed its chance to distance itself from the totally bat-shit crazy faction. This prompted a free-for-all race to the bottom to see who could garner the most attention for saying outrageous things.

They are just about to go into overdrive with the kray-zee.

29 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:00:38am

Sleepy time..Faced with a moral dilemma..
I just watched something on TV about people who ask before they move in to a place about if anybody died there before. Yes..There is a website to search. I’ll admit..Moving into some place where somebody committed suicide or was murdered is super creepy from a ghost point of view.
Except..Somebody said if you scored a place on Russian Hill overlooking the SF Bay area you wouldn’t give a shit what happened there before..
Hard to argue that point..
Moral Dilemma..See what I mean?

30 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:01:56am

re: #3 Kragar

I’ve got news for Mr. Peroutka. He has a “foreign-sounding” name. That doesn’t go over in the south, either. If you don’t have an English, Irish, or Scottish sounding last name, you’re not one of “us”. Why, even our colored people have the right names because we gave them ours.

No doubt he is nothing but a damn Yankee carpetbagger.

Go back where you came from, Mr. Peroutka.

(Hey, I was born in the south and raised (mostly) in the south, and I know how southerners really think.)

/////

BTW, here is Michael Peroutka, “a Christian and an attorney”, from Maryland, actually. I think Peroutka is a Czech surname, and he was the 2004 Constitution Party nominee for President. So, a “real” southerner? Not a chance.

theamericanview.com

Sadly, I find that too many who have moved to the south for opportunities, the weather, and because they hated big cities they saw as minority-driven, bring their racial prejudices with them. I have unfortunately found that true with many transplants from other parts of the country, esp when I expected to find more progressive attitudes.

I always considered myself a part of the “New South” with very liberal, progressive attitudes. I guess you could say I was “well-traveled” as a child, but actually we just moved around a lot, and I’ve lived in quite a few other areas of the country. I’ve seen racial prejudice everywhere I’ve been.

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:05:47am

re: #30 Justanotherhuman

… I’ve lived in quite a few other areas of the country. I’ve seen racial prejudice everywhere I’ve been.

It’s everywhere, it’s just a lot more institutionalized and socially accepted in the South.

32 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:09:43am

re: #24 Kragar

FreedomWorks CEO promises Chris Matthews: Tea Party will ‘upgrade’ southern GOP by 2014

I’ve heard that Kibbe is desperately shopping around for a new gig. FreedomWorks is in massive financial trouble and the shutdown only exacerbated their already dire cash flow situation.

WASHINGTON — The tea party group FreedomWorks has fallen into dire financial straits, and was forced to take out a $1 million line of credit earlier this year, sources close to the organization told BuzzFeed.

…

But six independent sources familiar with FreedomWorks described the organization as one with deeply mismanaged finances, an unclear mission, and what one former employee called a “toxic” work environment that has contributed to low morale and a general rush for the exits.

…

But several sources said the group has lost clout and fundraising ability since the 2012 election, and especially since FreedomWorks co-chairman Dick Armey staged a high-profile coup attempt last September, during which he attempted to wrest control away from the two top executives, Matt Kibbe and Adam Brandon. Armey agreed after a few days to leave the group in exchange for $8 million.

…

“Last year, every Tuesday’s staff meeting began with a report on how much money had been raised in comparison to the year before,” said one former employee. “The morale was great because they had consistently doubled their funding. This year, numbers are never mentioned, other than ‘now we work in two-year cycles and it would be wrong to compare numbers to last year.’ That wasn’t the case last year and office morale is terrible.”

The article goes into detail about how the Senate Conservatives Fund and Heritage Action are gobbling up most of the primary action that used to go to FreedomWorks. After founding the group and losing control, Penis Navy took his money and his rolodex. Now, in the wake of the Republican shutdown and attempt to default, the chambers of commerce and big business money guys that previously fueled the Tea Party are realizing that their interests do not align at all.

As I said before, the current state of the GOP is basically just like Rapa Nui immediately after the final tree was chopped down. Now, the cannibalism.

33 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:10:35am

Here’s more on Messrs Hill and Peroutka, whose “foundation” donated a fossil to Ken Ham’s “Creation Museum”.

Lots of good information here on these yahoos.

pandasthumb.org

I think all the fascists eventually find one another.

34 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:21:59am

re: #33 Justanotherhuman

I think all the fascists eventually find one another.

Echo chambers need an echo

35 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:35:20am

In other news, my current project of making a Deathwatch kill team using Sternguard Veterans is coming along smoothly.

36 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:50:23am

re: #35 Kragar

In other news, my current project of making a Deathwatch kill team using Sternguard Veterans is coming along smoothly.

Just don’t close their memorial during the next Galactic Government shutdown!!!

37 freetoken  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:54:07am

MP3 Audio

38 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:56:28am

Crowd greets Cruz Mon night at airport.

Over-white, over-fed, over-privileged, and just over.

Get with the 21st century and lose the hate you’ve bought into by any other name.

pbs.twimg.com

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:59:14am

He stands for Opposition to Everything They Find Wrong about Politics.

That is what it takes to get elected in Teaheadistan these days.

40 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:00:17am

This should be getting more coverage.

acasuccessstories.tumblr.com

41 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:13:10am

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

This should be getting more coverage.

acasuccessstories.tumblr.com

It would distract us from Benghazi!!!

/

42 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:16:31am

Student “took gun” from parents. Meaning, I assume, that the gun was not locked up in the home and was accessible to him. This is so sad—it sounds as though this kid was only maybe 12, 13 yrs old and very, very troubled.

Nevada school shooting: Teacher killed, two students wounded

edition.cnn.com

“Mike Landsberry, a popular math teacher at the school, was killed in the shooting, Sparks Mayor Geno Martini told CNN.

“In addition to his work as a teacher, Landsberry also had served in the Marines and served several tours in Afghanistan as a member of the Nevada Air National Guard, his brother, Reggie, told CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360.”

“He was the kind of person that if someone needed help he would be there,” Reggie Landsberry said. “He loved teaching. He loved the kids. He loved coaching them. … He was just a good all-around individual.”

The shooter sounds like a kid with a lot of problems which had not been addressed, either, one student describing him as “nice” and who would get other kids things to make them feel better, and had been bullied in the past.

43 sagehen  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:16:57am

So the assholes who toppled that rock in Utah have been thrown out of the Boy Scouts…

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:25:44am

re: #43 sagehen

So the assholes who toppled that rock in Utah have been thrown out of the Boy Scouts…

re: #42 Justanotherhuman

He had served in the Marines but did not have the sense to arm himself?

/

45 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:49:08am

Jumped into a Twitter thread yesterday comparing the ACA to the Holocaust. Hilarity ensued. Aside from accusing Obama of (1) using the IRS to target conservatives (2) committing TREASON (sic) by selling arms to the Muslim Brotherhood and (3) covering up BENGHAZI!! 11ty!! there was this:


46 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:49:47am

Monday’s CNN/ORC poll has more bad news for republicans. Registered voters are 20% more likely to say that Republican members of Congress should not be re-elected compared to Democrats.

Registered Voters:
Democrats in Congress should be reelected: 40%
Democrats in Congress should not be reelected: 56%

Republicans in Congress should be reelected: 20%
Republicans in Congress should not be reelected: 76%

Democrats also have a +8% advantage on the generic ballot, which according to Sam Wang at PEC puts them in the takeover zone. I’m pessimistic as to whether they can hold that advantage, but if the Wall Street money really is running away from the conservatives it might. The GOP didn’t do itself any favors either in going for a short term budget and debt ceiling extension. Now they get to remind the voters again what pricks they are just as primary season starts, and the way things are going we may have another showdown again in the summer or fall, just before the elections are held.

47 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:51:39am

Yeah, just what you want your young teen to watch.

Facebook lets beheading clips return to social network

bbc.co.uk

I don’t even like reading about that kind of violence—at the least, I don’t have to watch it, but as an adult of some years, I have the maturity and hopefully, the wisdom, not to have a need to see it, either. I already know such brutality exists and while I don’t ignore it, but condemn it, it’s not necessary to be a witness to it.

And I hope that a 13 yr old has already seen a naked breast by the time they reach that age. There’s nothing wrong with the human body and nudity—it’s context that counts.

48 Lidane  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:52:32am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I would laugh if Congress went Democratic in the next election. The derp and head explosions from the right would be a hoot.

Also, the excuses for why the GOP lost the House from the likes of Karl Rove and Erick Erickson would be fun to read.

49 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:55:16am

re: #48 Lidane

Haha, I would cheer up a storm! And double down on the losing baggers, too. : )

Can’t wait to write their epitaph.

50 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:57:13am

re: #45 wheat-dogghazi

@ResistAll reply to me: Revolution. Pretty sure that is not part of Article 5.

51 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 3:00:51am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I would love to see Kentucky become Democratic again, though Ky Dems are more RINOs than anything else. Still would be an improvement.

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 3:09:40am

re: #48 Lidane

I would laugh if Congress went Democratic in the next election. The derp and head explosions from the right would be a hoot.

Also, the excuses for why the GOP lost the House from the likes of Karl Rove and Erick Erickson would be fun to read.

That is asking too much of American politics. Local politics are still pretty antedeluvian in a lot of areas. But I do believe that the GOP is on the decline at the national level and is not likely to do much better than it did in 2010.

53 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 3:12:00am

re: #51 wheat-dogghazi

I would love to see Kentucky become Democratic again, though Ky Dems are more RINOs than anything else. Still would be an improvement.

I think the only way that happens in a lot of areas is if the GOP civil war extends all the way into the general election, with money on both sides of the establishment / tea party divide fueling several three way races. Right now the Tea Party guys still think they can wrest control of the GOP with its fundraising apparatus intact, that’s the main reason they’re staying in the party and hoping against hope that they can drive the establishment Republicans out. When they finally come to accept that they’ve alienated the big business guys for good then you might see them go full third party on their own and try to survive as a populist movement.

54 sagehen  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 3:12:29am

re: #48 Lidane

I would laugh if Congress went Democratic in the next election. The derp and head explosions from the right would be a hoot.

Also, the excuses for why the GOP lost the House from the likes of Karl Rove and Erick Erickson would be fun to read.

Karl Rove would be very happy to blame the Tea Party. E2 would say it’s because Congress *caved* on the shutdown, they weren’t right-wing enough, they should have defaulted…

55 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 3:22:22am

Wow, did they interview the only 841 people who didn’t get a pony this year?

CNN Poll: After shutdown, America is less optimistic about economy

edition.cnn.com

It took a generation for the US to get over the Great Depression, including the 2nd WW. We’re making progress in many areas, but if the private sector isn’t creating jobs here, in spite of incentives and sweetening the pot for them, the govt can’t force them to do it.

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 3:34:31am

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

… if the private sector isn’t creating jobs here, in spite of incentives and sweetening the pot for them, the govt can’t force them to do it.

We have been sold on the benefits of a global economy. Which means that capital follows the highest returns,

If those returns are to be had on investing in countries with lower weges, laxer elabor, safety and environmental legislation, then that is where Job Creators will invest and create jobs.

57 Lidane  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 3:37:30am

re: #52 Sol Berdinowitz

That is asking too much of American politics. Local politics are still pretty antedeluvian in a lot of areas. But I do believe that the GOP is on the decline at the national level and is not likely to do much better than it did in 2010.

Oh, I’m not optimistic about it happening. There are too many idiots and too many gerrymandered safe districts for the GOP to lose the House and to further decline in the Senate. It’s a pipe dream, really.

Still, I’d love to see it happen, just for the reactions from the RWNJ bubble.

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 3:41:29am

re: #57 Lidane

Oh, I’m not optimistic about it happening. There are too many idiots and too many gerrymandered safe districts for the GOP to lose the House and to further decline in the Senate. It’s a pipe dream, really.

Still, I’d love to see it happen, just for the reactions from the RWNJ bubble.

I see it as a slow process, the GOP lost it when they refused to distance themselves from the raving, bigoted nut sandwiches out to prove their ideological purity and TP credentials.

In doing so, they set off a contest to come up with the most outrageous and unfounded nonsense that led to people like Ted Cruz derailing Congress.

59 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 4:44:34am

re: #58 Sol Berdinowitz

I see it as a slow process, the GOP lost it when they refused to distance themselves from the raving, bigoted nut sandwiches out to prove their ideological purity and TP credentials.

In doing so, they set off a contest to come up with the most outrageous and unfounded nonsense that led to people like Ted Cruz derailing Congress.

Not to mention that in a lot of states fighting the disenfranchisement efforts is going to take education, work, patience, and probably a continual spate of law suits.

60 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 4:55:26am

re: #29 HoosierHoops

Sleepy time..Faced with a moral dilemma..
I just watched something on TV about people who ask before they move in to a place about if anybody died there before. Yes..There is a website to search. I’ll admit..Moving into some place where somebody committed suicide or was murdered is super creepy from a ghost point of view.
Except..Somebody said if you scored a place on Russian Hill overlooking the SF Bay area you wouldn’t give a shit what happened there before..
Hard to argue that point..
Moral Dilemma..See what I mean?

A nice family of Juice moved into a house two doors down the block from us. This house was foreclosed for a long time and we are very happy that somebody will move in.

About 20 years ago a girl was killed in that house by her boyfriend. I said to Zedushka “Do you think we should tell them?” He said “No, why would you want to creep them out? They will put mezuzahs on all the doors and then it becomes their house.”

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 4:59:34am

What could go wrong?

GOP asked tech founder, ex-fugitive McAfee to diagnose Obamacare

62 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:09:12am

I still waaaannnnnnt a mastiff!

63 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:11:04am

We may get snow or freezing rain later.

I’m sooo happy.

I’ve felt like shit for the last few days. Clearing up the allergy symptoms would do alot to help.

Back, neck, head pain might not seem so bad.

64 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:21:27am

WTFITS

65 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:23:33am

re: #59 Feline Fearless Leader

Not to mention that in a lot of states fighting the disenfranchisement efforts is going to take education, work, patience, and probably a continual spate of law suits.

We are going to see a spate of local voter ID legislation shot down by the courts, I hope that we come up with a reasonable and universal system.

Of course, instituting a national ID card would end the problem right there, but nobody on right or left is gonna support that.

66 sagehen  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:28:17am

Latest poll in NYC mayor’s race

DeBlasio — 68
Lhota — 24

I guess they can do without me at the phone bank this weekend…

67 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:31:09am

AND THEREFORE…?

68 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:31:10am

yup

69 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:32:38am

Snowden in the land of Internet Freedom

70 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:34:41am
71 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:35:18am

re: #70 Vicious Babushka

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shit-for-brains (SFB)

72 sagehen  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:38:35am

jobs report:

148,000 jobs in September, unemployment now 7.2%

73 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:39:47am

bbl

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:51:12am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

AND THEREFORE…?

And the massive parallels between Snowden and Daniel Ellsberg continue. NOT.

75 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:56:35am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

Greenwald doesn’t have an agenda. Nope. No way.

To make blanket statements like that? Of course other countries are spying on each other, including their allies. It’s what countries do. They’d be irresponsible if they weren’t.

But his mission isn’t to expose spying. It’s to expose US spying on everyone else and undermining US interests worldwide, including sabotaging relations between the US and its allies by publicly stating what the countries knew privately all along - that the US spies and does so using all the technological means it can muster.

Yet, he’s silent when it comes to Brazil cracking skulls and clearing out the favelas ahead of the World Cup and Olympics, or that Russia has no problem reverting to a police state at the tip of a hat, and will use the Sochi Olympics to further that police state in the region. Yesterday’s suicide bombing on a bus will be a pretext for a further clampdown.

76 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:01:46am

LOLWUT

77 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:01:49am

Well that’s a rather scary and rude awakening in my area. Somebody made one of those propane tank truck bombs and set it off last night.
nbclosangeles.com

Firefighters saw at least one propane tank inside a vehicle parked in a driveway, and investigators are attempting to determine whether it was the source of the blast, said LAPD Lt. Todd Hankel.

“It caused extensive damage to the vehicle and damage to the surrounding buildings,” Hankel said. “We were unable to determine the source of the explosion, so we evacuated the area.”

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:01:56am

re: #75 lawhawk

Greenwald doesn’t have an agenda. Nope. No way.

To make blanket statements like that? Of course other countries are spying on each other, including their allies. It’s what countries do. They’d be irresponsible if they weren’t.

But his mission isn’t to expose spying. It’s to expose US spying on everyone else and undermining US interests worldwide, including sabotaging relations between the US and its allies by publicly stating what the countries knew privately all along - that the US spies and does so using all the technological means it can muster.

Yet, he’s silent when it comes to Brazil cracking skulls and clearing out the favelas ahead of the World Cup and Olympics, or that Russia has no problem reverting to a police state at the tip of a hat, and will use the Sochi Olympics to further that police state in the region. Yesterday’s suicide bombing on a bus will be a pretext for a further clampdown.

I’m not even sure that is his main agenda. Sitting back and tossing darts at the US government is essentially a way to punch his meal ticket for a few years to come. I suspect if a leak (or whatever) had come along in a different area (some corporation, or even a European country) he’d be milking that instead.

It will be sort of interesting at some future point to get an accurate timeline of when and how this whole conspiracy developed. Possibly just in order to see who was using who and what sort of understanding the parties had about the ramification of committing the espionage.

79 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:18:05am

So I am seeing on Teh Twitters some outrage over TEH LIBRULZ REAL WAR ON WOMEN!!!11!!!!!, what is that?

It seems some Democratic politician slapped some female interns on the ass so EVERYTHING LIBRULZ SAYS ABOUT TEH WAR ON WOMENS IS TEH INVALID!!11!!!1!!

80 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:22:13am

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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1. We are not hating on white Christians.
2. We are ‘hating’ on wingnut policies.
3. It’s not our fault the Tea Party is monolithic in terms of race and religion. That’s a feature, not a bug.
4. COFFEE!

81 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:26:18am

Bwhahaha. Snark:


Santorum is providing a strike force to help Virginia nutcase Ken Cuccinelli attempt to win the VA governor’s race. I’m sure that this will be just as successful as his effort to be President Santorum. Or is that GOP nominee Rick Santorum.

I actually think Cuccinelli’s besides the point. It’s about raising Santorum’s name recognition and reminding people he is still around ahead of what is likely to be another run for the GOP nomination.

82 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:26:38am

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Can someone fluent in Palinese please translate that tweet into English?

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:26:57am

re: #33 Justanotherhuman

Here’s more on Messrs Hill and Peroutka, whose “foundation” donated a fossil to Ken Ham’s “Creation Museum”.

Lots of good information here on these yahoos.

pandasthumb.org

I think all the fascists eventually find one another.

It’s called “crank magnetism”.

84 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:29:12am


Another GOP talking point? Bogus. But we already expected that…

85 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:31:04am

re: #81 lawhawk

Bwhahaha. Snark:

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Santorum is providing a strike force to help Virginia nutcase Ken Cuccinelli attempt to win the VA governor’s race. I’m sure that this will be just as successful as his effort to be President Santorum. Or is that GOP nominee Rick Santorum.

I actually think Cuccinelli’s besides the point. It’s about raising Santorum’s name recognition and reminding people he is still around ahead of what is likely to be another run for the GOP nomination.

Might also be an ethnic and regional thing, too. Pennsylvania is close to Virginia, even if they don’t share a border and both men are Italian-American.

86 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:31:34am

*munches popcorn*

87 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:33:23am

re: #82 Ian G.

Can someone fluent in Palinese please translate that tweet into English?

Done: “Non-white inferiors hate me because I’m better than them. It’s not me that hates, its them. Nothing is ever MY fault! DERP!”

88 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:33:59am

re: #86 b.d.

*munches popcorn*

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Whut.

89 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:35:15am

lolwut

90 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:36:29am

Truth Revolt.
Lol. What an appropriate name!

91 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:36:58am

re: #90 Varek Raith

Truth Revolt.
Lol. What an appropriate name!

Wingnut Truth stinks on ice!

92 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:38:06am

re: #88 Varek Raith

Whut.

Trump’s Miss Universe Pageant is in Moscow this year.:

Trump said he’s invited Russian President Vladimir Putin to the pageant, on November 9. “I know for a fact that he wants very much to come, but we’ll have to see. We haven’t heard yet, but we have invited him.”

deadline.com

93 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:41:21am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut Truth stinks on ice!

Still, Dan Amira was out of line saying Trumps wife was waiting for him to die. Of course what Trump said was nearly as bad, but that’s not an excuse. Amira should have simply called Donald Trump a blowhard grifter; That would have been just fine.

95 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:44:25am

Well, someone is wrong…

S&P 500 opens at record high after US September jobs report; Dow gains 23 points - @CNNMoney

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says ‘higher costs and rising premiums of Obamacare’ plus ‘disappointing jobs numbers’ add to ‘recipe for economic stagnation.’ - @markknoller

Plus, Rubio demands “delay” on implementation of Obamacare. You wish.

96 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:45:21am

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Still, Dan Amira was out of line saying Trumps wife was waiting for him to die. Of course what Trump said was nearly as bad, but that’s not an excuse. Amira should have simply called Donald Trump a blowhard grifter; That would have been just fine.

I give this many shits when somebody insults Donald Trump.

Did you see how many?

97 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:46:34am

This is all posturing and bullshit, the usual for Rand Paul.

98 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:48:57am

re: #97 Vicious Babushka

This is all posturing and bullshit, the usual for Rand Paul.

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Hurr durr Obamacare!

99 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:49:00am

re: #97 Vicious Babushka

This is all posturing and bullshit, the usual for Rand Paul.

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Sen Paul tells Mike why he is introducing a Constitutional Amdt requiring all politicians to live

I’m against it.

100 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:50:29am

Donald Trump gave his wife a very special diamond necklace. This diamond necklace is legendary and is said to come with a sinister curse.

[fill in punch line here]

101 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:51:23am

re: #97 Vicious Babushka

Congress shall make no law that isn’t applicable also to Congress?

So, everyone gets a $174,000 salary? Or is it that everyone in Congress is paid minimum wage? /

Oh, one could have so much fun with this kind of amendment nonsense.

102 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:51:28am

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump gave his wife a very special diamond necklace. This diamond necklace is legendary and is said to come with a sinister curse.

[fill in punch line here]

yes, that she has to remain married to the asshat who gave it to her….

103 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:51:56am

re: #101 lawhawk

Congress shall make no law that isn’t applicable also to Congress?

So, everyone gets a $174,000 salary? Or is it that everyone in Congress is paid minimum wage? /

Oh, one could have so much fun with this kind of amendment nonsense.

Yeah, a bigger loophole than Ringworld.

104 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:53:02am

re: #101 lawhawk

Congress shall make no law that isn’t applicable also to Congress?

So, everyone gets a $174,000 salary? Or is it that everyone in Congress is paid minimum wage? /

Oh, one could have so much fun with this kind of amendment nonsense.

It’s based on the bogus meme that Congress allegedly exempted itself from Obamacare.

105 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:58:03am

re: #102 piratedan

yes, that she has to remain married to the asshat who gave it to her….

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump gave his wife a very special diamond necklace. This diamond necklace is legendary and is said to come with a sinister curse.

[fill in punch line here]

That’s based on a really ancient Gahan Wilson cartoon in Playboy—’60s, 70s.

106 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:59:50am

Well, it isn’t Truth or Dare, and it’s only a woman being killed, so I suppose that’s OK w/some. I have to agree w/those objecting to this. It’s a video of a man murdering a woman. I don’t think it “opens eyes” to such a practice, because we know these things happen; rather, it’s sensationalism, clicks, and profits.

Facebook ‘irresponsible’ over beheading videos, says PM

bbc.co.uk

“The BBC was alerted to the fact that such content was back online by a reader who said the firm was refusing to remove a page showing a clip of a masked man killing a woman, which is believed to have been filmed in Mexico.

(snip)

“It was posted last week under the title, Challenge: Anybody can watch this video?

(snip)

“However, since some people object to graphic video of this nature, we are working to give people additional control over the content they see. This may include warning them in advance that the image they are about to see contains graphic content.”

So, giving a warning to 13 yr olds is just going to make them want to see it more.

I may be old, but I remember wanting to see stuff I probably should not have seen at 13 In fact, I wouldn’t even want to see it now. Why would anyone? Why would anyone with any sense of decency want to see a victim being brutalized and killed in this manner? Are we becoming so desensitized it’s just a routine viewing for some people?

107 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:00:29am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

Which begat the Grassley Amendment, which begat the even worse Vitter Amendment.

It’s all so much BS from the right wing, but that’s all they have.

Heck, it’s hard for anyone to take them seriously when it comes to actual problems with the ACA website rollout since they’ve been fighting to destroy the ACA from day one.

Part of the problem with the website rollout was that the GOP launched lawsuit after lawsuit that ultimately lost at the Supreme Court, holding off on designing the site until the lawsuits were behind them, and then hoping that GOP states would agree to set up their own exchanges instead of piling on to the federal exchange because they hoped to overwhelm the site.

All those delays and added complexities, plus mismanagement on the Administration side, have led us to a site that wasn’t ready for prime time.

Despite all that, people are signing up and getting access to affordable health insurance for the first time.

108 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:01:29am

re: #94 Varek Raith

The Oil And Gas Industry Wants To Start Fracking At The Source Of D.C.’s Water Supply

Fine by me, as long as proper safety procedures are observed. We need to maintain the flow of cheap natural gas, since it is proving both an aid to keeping our manufacturing competitive and a good export opportunity.

109 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:04:54am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

I don’t want to see that. I know the cartels pull sick shit like that, but to me that’s just a reason why said drug cartels should be wiped off of the fucking planet.

110 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:05:58am

Oh, and how the site functions this year is no indication of how well it will function next year once the kinks are worked out.

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the site simply follows a plan that some companies have adopted - you don’t have to take any action on your insurance and it will roll over automatically except for FSA/HSA accounts. That would greatly reduce the need to interact with the site during the benefits period.

The first registration is challenging, and when my company changed its health care offerings a few years ago, it was an absolute mess. Everything from the meetings to the site design was screwed up. It took weeks for them to sort things out and they extended the benefits period to address the problems, which included choices not being processed correctly, to incorrect information and site crashes.

In other words - the same kinds of issues seen with the ACA. No one was particularly happy with the situation, but it’s now an improved process.

Except with the ACA, one side - the GOP is determined to break it at every possible chance they get or think they can get.

111 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:07:21am

re: #110 lawhawk

Facebook went down yesterday—it should be de-funded.

112 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:07:43am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Fine by me, as long as proper safety procedures are observed. We need to maintain the flow of cheap natural gas, since it is proving both an aid to keeping our manufacturing competitive and a good export opportunity.

And history show how they suck at it.

113 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:07:55am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Fine by me, as long as proper safety procedures are observed. We need to maintain the flow of cheap natural gas, since it is proving both an aid to keeping our manufacturing competitive and a good export opportunity.

Fracking presents serious risks to the water table, you know. Like tap water you can ignite with a match, serious.

114 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:13:49am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Fine by me, as long as proper safety procedures are observed. We need to maintain the flow of cheap natural gas, since it is proving both an aid to keeping our manufacturing competitive and a good export opportunity.

Sorry but the only way to keep it safe is to ban fracking. The destruction of ground water supplies is too high a cost for “cheap” gas.

115 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:13:57am

re: #113 wheat-dogghazi

Fracking presents serious risks to the water table, you know. Like tap water you can ignite with a match, serious.

You do know that famous video of flaming tap water didn’t use water that had any association with fracking, right?

Edited to better reflect the facts.

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:16:18am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

You do know that famous video of flaming tap water was faked, right?

Not faked. Just possible without being from a water source associated with fracking in any way.

My brother’s well water can be set on fire. Not out of the tap, but essentially it has gas leaking into it since it cuts through/into a black oil shale.

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:16:26am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

You do know that famous video of flaming tap water was faked, right?

no. I live in coal mining and fracking country and have seen it.

118 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:19:52am

re: #116 Feline Fearless Leader

Not faked. Just possible without being from a water source associated with fracking in any way.

My brother’s well water can be set on fire. Not out of the tap, but essentially it has gas leaking into it since it cuts through/into a black oil shale.

Good point, post edited.

119 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:23:20am

They also refuse to disclose what they pump in to the ground.
No thanks.

120 Joanne  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:23:43am

re: #27 Lidane

Perfect. So the safety net that kept him fed during those horrible times were good enough for him but not anyone else because they were lazy bums while he was simply in an unfortunate position.

On a positive note, this post is possibly the cutest thing ever. I love dogs! More than most people.

121 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:28:02am

FYI - just in time for the holiday season, Amazon has changed the terms of their super saver free shipping promotion.

It is now free super saver shipping on orders of $35 or more. Previously, that threshold was on sales of more than $25.

amazon.com

122 Joanne  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:29:08am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Monday’s CNN/ORC poll has more bad news for republicans. Registered voters are 20% more likely to say that Republican members of Congress should not be re-elected compared to Democrats.

Registered Voters:
Democrats in Congress should be reelected: 40%
Democrats in Congress should not be reelected: 56%

Republicans in Congress should be reelected: 20%
Republicans in Congress should not be reelected: 76%

Democrats also have a +8% advantage on the generic ballot, which according to Sam Wang at PEC puts them in the takeover zone. I’m pessimistic as to whether they can hold that advantage, but if the Wall Street money really is running away from the conservatives it might. The GOP didn’t do itself any favors either in going for a short term budget and debt ceiling extension. Now they get to remind the voters again what pricks they are just as primary season starts, and the way things are going we may have another showdown again in the summer or fall, just before the elections are held.

We’ll have to see what happens. It always seems like it is some other district/state whose GOP elected official is the problem, not “my” guy or gal. So they keep getting reelected even though so many know what an issue they are. I am both jaded and not optimistic.

123 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:30:03am

re: #119 Varek Raith

They also refuse to disclose what they pump in to the ground.
No thanks.

They largely have to. No matter what is actually in any given type of fracking fluid, the energy company would be sued by environmentalists saying they were “poisoning the earth”. Said environmentalists would also use any such data to run a propaganda campaign intended to panic the public into believing that they’re being “poisoned”.

No, in this matter secrecy is the best policy.

124 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:31:55am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

They largely have to. No matter what is actually in any given type of fracking fluid, the energy company would be sued by environmentalists saying they were “poisoning the earth”. Said environmentalists would also use any such data to run a propaganda campaign intended to panic the public into believing that they’re being “poisoned”.

No, in this matter secrecy is the best policy.

Then they can’t frack.
Simple,
Some things are greater than money and cheap shit.

125 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:33:50am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Fracking consumes tremendous amounts of water that must be treated to be disposed of. With many parts of the country suffering from drought conditions, and water resources strained elsewhere, fracking is becoming a major threat to potable water sources.

Knowing the chemical composition of what these companies are including in the water is necessary since we know that the oil companies aren’t exactly careful with how they set up their wells and that they can have lining/pipeline failures causing contamination.

Even small leaks can have serious consequences to nearby aquifers or wells.

While the aboveground footprint may be far smaller than similar efforts years back, the potential for underground contamination can’t be underestimated, especially when so many people rely on underground aquifers for water supplies.

126 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:34:55am

9 million people get their water from the area they want to frack.
Nope, I can’t trust them not to fuck that up.

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:35:39am

re: #121 lawhawk

FYI - just in time for the holiday season, Amazon has changed the terms of their super saver free shipping promotion.

It is now free super saver shipping on orders of $35 or more. Previously, that threshold was on sales of more than $25.

amazon.com

I’m actually surprised it didn’t go up quite some time ago given fuel surcharges from carriers and so forth. But it is a good example of Bezos’ dickishness to do it now. Wonder why he didn’t wait till November 18 to do though…

128 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:36:46am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

They largely have to. No matter what is actually in any given type of fracking fluid, the energy company would be sued by environmentalists saying they were “poisoning the earth”. Said environmentalists would also use any such data to run a propaganda campaign intended to panic the public into believing that they’re being “poisoned”.

No, in this matter secrecy is the best policy.

WTF? I can’t even.

129 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:38:32am

re: #126 Varek Raith

9 million people get their water from the area they want to frack.
Nope, I can’t trust them not to fuck that up.

What they don’t know can’t hurt them. So what if they’re pumping toxic sludge back down into the groundwater? The earth’s a big filter, none of that shit is really bad for people.

Great prices on new homes in Love Canal.

130 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:38:43am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

They largely have to. No matter what is actually in any given type of fracking fluid, the energy company would be sued by environmentalists saying they were “poisoning the earth”. Said environmentalists would also use any such data to run a propaganda campaign intended to panic the public into believing that they’re being “poisoned”.

No, in this matter secrecy is the best policy.

LOLWUT

131 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:38:44am

BP spent half a billion on propaganda after the Gulf spill.

132 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:39:12am

re: #128 darthstar

he’s still operating under the idea that no reasonable Corporation would shit where they live… without taking into account that many do because of profit! and lawyers!

133 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:40:07am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

They largely have to. No matter what is actually in any given type of fracking fluid, the energy company would be sued by environmentalists saying they were “poisoning the earth”. Said environmentalists would also use any such data to run a propaganda campaign intended to panic the public into believing that they’re being “poisoned”.

No, in this matter secrecy is the best policy.

“This is a great tactic. Misinformation can be very important.”

///

134 Mattand  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:40:56am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

They largely have to. No matter what is actually in any given type of fracking fluid, the energy company would be sued by environmentalists saying they were “poisoning the earth”. Said environmentalists would also use any such data to run a propaganda campaign intended to panic the public into believing that they’re being “poisoned”.

No, in this matter secrecy is the best policy.

It’s really easy to take this position when it’s not possible to set one’s drinking water on fire.

135 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:41:24am

re: #126 Varek Raith

9 million people get their water from the area they want to frack.
Nope, I can’t trust them not to fuck that up.

Not all of the 9 million. Perrier, anyone?

136 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:41:34am

BP argues it’s being bilked in spill claims

“They have no room to complain. Their complaint is based completely on the fact that they undervalued the claims in the settlement process,”

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:41:35am

re: #125 lawhawk

Fracking consumes tremendous amounts of water that must be treated to be disposed of. With many parts of the country suffering from drought conditions, and water resources strained elsewhere, fracking is becoming a major threat to potable water sources.

Knowing the chemical composition of what these companies are including in the water is necessary since we know that the oil companies aren’t exactly careful with how they set up their wells and that they can have lining/pipeline failures causing contamination.

Even small leaks can have serious consequences to nearby aquifers or wells.

While the aboveground footprint may be far smaller than similar efforts years back, the potential for underground contamination can’t be underestimated, especially when so many people rely on underground aquifers for water supplies.

And it’s a little more complex than that.

First, “fracking” is more than just drilling a standard well and using an additional chemical injection mix. It’s a combination of horizontal drilling, using explosives (1st stage fracking), and then chemicals (2nd stage fracking) in order to make one well more efficient in extracting gas from a larger area and more quickly as well; e.g. higher return for a shorter period than a standard well - and having to drill fewer wells to cover a given area as well.

Second, beyond the chemicals going in with 2nd stage fracking fluid, the fluid comes back out carrying additional contaminants from the stone (shale in the Marcellus) being treated. For the Marcellus this is metals such as barium, and also radium as well. (The latter is a reason that radon gas infiltration into basements is an ventilation issue in parts of the Northeast.

138 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:41:41am

re: #134 Mattand

It’s really easy to take this position when it’s not possible to set one’s drinking water on fire.

This. It’s not his drinking water, so cool.

139 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:42:04am

Fracking is just generally a bad idea, given the risks to groundwater and nearby waterways. Drilling for oil is bad enough, considering accidents do happen, and usually happen big.

140 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:43:08am
141 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:43:44am

This is interesting: those oarfish that washed up off the California coastline? Japanese folklore makes mention of it - it means an earthquake is coming.

independent.co.uk

Granted, it’s Japanese folklore based on anecdotal observations. But I confess I still it interesting.

142 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:43:56am

I look forward to the coming cluster earthquakes that just coincidentally accompany fracking sites.

143 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:44:52am

Lol@spellcheck.^
Fixed.

144 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:45:46am

re: #124 Varek Raith

Then they can’t frack.
Simple,
Some things are greater than money and cheap shit.

How about a compromise? Appoint a commission to review fracking on federal land. 8 member commission, President Obama picks 4 members, Sen. McConnell picks 4 members (for such partisan commissions the Senate leader of the party not in the White House makes the nominations). 1 wrinkle: the energy companies and the environmentalists each may veto one commission nomination. Coordinating that last would pose some difficulties, but would allow both sides some needed feeling of “fighting the corporate shills or enviro-socialists”.

The technical data submitted to the commission would be largely kept secret, to prevent its use in dishonest propaganda.

145 Mattand  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:46:06am

re: #141 Dr Lizardo

This is interesting: those oarfish that washed up off the California coastline? Japanese folklore makes mention of it - it means an earthquake is coming.

independent.co.uk

Granted, it’s Japanese folklore based on anecdotal observations. But I confess I still it interesting.

Two words: God. Zilla.

Just sayin’…

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:46:27am

re: #142 Varek Raith

I look forward to the coming cluster earthquakes that just concentrically accompany fracking sites.

Or around injection wells being used for disposal.

cleveland.com

147 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:46:46am

re: #145 Mattand

Two words: God. Zilla.

Just sayin’…

I wish our California based lizards and Overlord the best of luck.

148 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:47:05am

re: #135 Decatur Deb

Not all of the 9 million. Perrier, anyone?

I prefer Evian, thank you.

149 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:47:52am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

I prefer Evian, thank you.

Deer Park.
Elitist.
/

150 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:49:19am

re: #145 Mattand

Kaiju. I just hope the black budgets for the US DoD includes Jaegers. /you think that toilet seats cost $500 or wrenches cost $1,000?

151 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:49:20am

re: #133 makeitstop

“This is a great tactic. Misinformation can be very important.”

///

Misinformation has its place in law enforcement and in military action. But medical school is the wrong place for it.

152 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:49:51am

re: #145 Mattand

Two words: God. Zilla.

Just sayin’…

LOL

I recall a personal anecdotal observation. Many, many years ago, just before I felt the ground shaking owing to the Scott’s Mills earthquake epicentered in Oregon, I was awoken by all the dogs in the neighborhood barking and howling; I looked out my window, and my neighbor’s dog was scratching and pawing at the ground.

Then everything went dead silent - a few seconds later, the shockwave hit, and it was pretty sizeable.

I was living in Southwest Washington at the time. I still remember that quite vividly.

153 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:52:49am

Rolling Out the ACA — an AFP video from The Economist.

econ.st

154 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:55:03am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

How about a compromise? Appoint a commission to review fracking on federal land. 8 member commission, President Obama picks 4 members, Sen. McConnell picks 4 members (for such partisan commissions the Senate leader of the party not in the White House makes the nominations). 1 wrinkle: the energy companies and the environmentalists each may veto one commission nomination. Coordinating that last would pose some difficulties, but would allow both sides some needed feeling of “fighting the corporate shills or enviro-socialists”.

The technical data submitted to the commission would be largely kept secret, to prevent its use in dishonest propaganda.

Do you have some problem with freedom of public information? Any reasonably competent researcher could track down the methods and chemicals used by fracking operations. We’re not talking about state secrets, fer pete’s sake.

155 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:55:36am

YOU LIBS DIDN’T CARE ABOUT THE WATER WHEN THE GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO POISON IT WITH FLUORIDE!1!

157 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:01:11am

Man seen toppling boulder claims ‘debilitating injuries’ from car crash in recent lawsuit

One of the men who toppled an ancient boulder in Utah’s Goblin Valley State Park last week filed a personal injury lawsuit just a few weeks earlier, claiming he suffers from “serious, permanent and debilitating injuries.”

Derp.

158 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:01:23am

re: #154 wheat-dogghazi

Do you have some problem with freedom of public information? Any reasonably competent researcher could track down the methods and chemicals used by fracking operations. We’re not talking about state secrets, fer pete’s sake.

In this case? Yes, I do have a problem with freedom of public information. In my opinion, ‘free access to information about fracking’ simply results in more anti-fracking propaganda. The stuff that makes the news won’t be objective and considered, it’ll be sensationalized crap intended to scare people. Better to keep things quiet.

159 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:02:12am

re: #155 b.d.

My name is not “Generic Wingnut”.

160 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:02:19am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

In this case? Yes, I do have a problem with freedom of public information. In my opinion, ‘free access to information about fracking’ simply results in more anti-fracking propaganda. The stuff that makes the news won’t be objective and considered, it’ll be sensationalized crap intended to scare people. Better to keep things quiet.

Maybe that should tell you something about fracking.

161 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:04:27am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

FYI, the oil industry dwarfs anyone in the propaganda department.

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:05:12am

democratandchronicle.com

Hmm. Article is remarkably free from details about the exact concerns beyond mentioning fracking chemicals and wastewater.

democratandchronicle.com

And another article for the same paper about handling the brine being created due to a salt mine collapse back in 1994. (Note: My brother lives less than 10 miles from said former mine.)

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:08:20am

re: #163 Varek Raith

BP’s Gulf Spill Response Plan Lists Walrus as Local Species

But they skipped the eggmen entirely. Conspiracy!
//

165 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:10:31am

re: #131 Varek Raith

And then the last few months with full page ads in the Wash Post/NYT whining about somethingorother with their settlement. Obnoxious.

166 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:11:19am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

How about a compromise? Appoint a commission to review fracking on federal land. 8 member commission, President Obama picks 4 members, Sen. McConnell picks 4 members (for such partisan commissions the Senate leader of the party not in the White House makes the nominations). 1 wrinkle: the energy companies and the environmentalists each may veto one commission nomination. Coordinating that last would pose some difficulties, but would allow both sides some needed feeling of “fighting the corporate shills or enviro-socialists”.

The technical data submitted to the commission would be largely kept secret, to prevent its use in dishonest propaganda.

I was with you until the last paragraph. My reasoning goes like this-For all the legit concerns about propaganda and deceit for money, the collision here is more fundamental.

Very direct conflict here. Pretty stark when boiled down.
We really need a lot of energy.
We really need to cut back on fossil fuel combustion.

The rest is mostly muddied waters. So IMHO what we need is more accurate information published ASAP. That’s the environment so to speak in which we can get after the real bottom line dilemma.

167 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:13:02am

re: #161 Varek Raith

FYI, the oil industry dwarfs anyone in the propaganda department.

So do the Oil industries’ bank accounts.

168 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:14:04am

It is decidedly one of my most Liberal views, but I really do believe Solar and fusion related energies are man’s best hope for the future.

169 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:17:22am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

It is decidedly one of my most Liberal views, but I really do believe Solar and fusion related energies are man’s best hope for the future.

We could always put the 47% to turning big wheels.

170 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:17:40am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

It is decidedly one of my most Liberal views, but I really do believe Solar and fusion related energies are man’s best hope for the future.

But fusion is not yet operational, and solar cannot yet generate the required amount of power in places like Pennsylvania and Illinois. That means we need natural gas and the desire to cut back on coal-fired power plants will only increase that demand if put into regulations and legislation.

171 blueraven  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:19:24am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

How about a compromise? Appoint a commission to review fracking on federal land. 8 member commission, President Obama picks 4 members, Sen. McConnell picks 4 members (for such partisan commissions the Senate leader of the party not in the White House makes the nominations). 1 wrinkle: the energy companies and the environmentalists each may veto one commission nomination. Coordinating that last would pose some difficulties, but would allow both sides some needed feeling of “fighting the corporate shills or enviro-socialists”.

The technical data submitted to the commission would be largely kept secret, to prevent its use in dishonest propaganda.

Why in the world do you think it is acceptable for the frackers to keep secret the chemicals they are pumping into the earth? That is nuts.

172 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:24:41am

re: #166 Political Atheist

I was with you until the last paragraph. My reasoning goes like this-For all the legit concerns about propaganda and deceit for money, the collision here is more fundamental.

Very direct conflict here. Pretty stark when boiled down.
We really need a lot on energy.
We really need to cut back on fossil fuel combustion.

The rest is mostly muddied waters. So IMHO what we need is more accurate information published ASAP. That’s the environment so to speak in which we can get after the real bottom line dilemma.

But the dilemma isn’t going to be addressed as such, and that’s what bothers me more than anything else. It’ll just be dueling talking heads on TV talking past each other, name calling, and liars telling people that “you can have it all!” and that if someone else tells them something different then its just “a plot to steal from you.”

In other words, I want things kept quiet so that decisions can be made based at least in part on reality, not on the latest permutation of the Culture Wars. If you like, you can call my idea “closing the door and leaving Ted Cruz outside”.

173 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:24:46am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

But fusion is not yet operational, and solar cannot yet generate the required amount of power in places like Pennsylvania and Illinois. That means we need natural gas and the desire to cut back on coal-fired power plants will only increase that demand if put into regulations and legislation.

I concede these points but consider if Solar power was being used to its maximum capacity everywhere in the country it could be. I wonder how that would change the picture of American energy?

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:26:54am

re: #171 blueraven

Why in the world do you think it is acceptable for the frackers to keep secret the chemicals they are pumping into the earth? That is nuts.

Because if the information supports fracking, that’s OK.
If it doesn’t, it’s “propaganda”.

175 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:27:30am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

In this case? Yes, I do have a problem with freedom of public information. In my opinion, ‘free access to information about fracking’ simply results in more anti-fracking propaganda. The stuff that makes the news won’t be objective and considered, it’ll be sensationalized crap intended to scare people. Better to keep things quiet.

So, there’s this thing called the First Amendment … and this other thing called the Freedom of Information Act. Americans have the expectation that Congressional hearings are open to the public, except when matters of national security are involved. If you’re going to argue that meetings about fracking have to be secret to prevent potentially sensationalized coverage, then you might just as well give the keys of government to the corporations.

The public needs to have access to information about projects that could possibly threaten their safety and well-being. I don’t understand why you have a problem with that.

176 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:28:48am

re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg

I concede these points but consider if Solar power was being used to its maximum capacity everywhere in the country it could be. I wonder how that would change the picture of American energy?

No, it couldn’t be. Here in Chicagoland we often have entire weeks at a time which are overcast in autumn and winter, sometimes up to 2 weeks without direct sunlight. Solar won’t work well here, and transmission inefficiencies mean that sending power from regions where solar is more practical isn’t viable at this time.

177 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:31:47am

Solar power potential map. Most of the country is actually able to provide for significant solar power installations. Obviously, the desert Southwest has highest percentages, but it can supplement elsewhere in the lower 48.

Solar cell efficiencies have improved to the point where they can generate power in overcast situations. The battery collection/energy storage systems is also improving to help smooth power production.

Power production from solar allows installations at corporate business parks for direct usage/offsetting power production elsewhere, improves reliability, etc.

It’s not a cureall, but taken in conjunction with other measures including higher efficiencies can reduce need to build new power plants that do spew particulates and other greenhouse gases.

178 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:32:56am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

In this case? Yes, I do have a problem with freedom of public information. In my opinion, ‘free access to information about fracking’ simply results in more anti-fracking propaganda.

Beyond ridiculous. You want propaganda? Tell me why crap like this from the fossil fuel industry is acceptable:

Fracking-Study Conflicts Prompt Head of Institute to Quit

University of Texas research that determined hydraulic fracturing for natural gas is safe was tainted by a conflict of interest involving the study’s lead investigator, an independent panel has concluded.

After seeing the panel’s findings, the head of the Energy Institute, Raymond Orbach, said he would “assume full responsibility” and resigned his position though he remains on the faculty. The lead investigator, professor Charles Groat, has left the university and the study he oversaw has been withdrawn, according to a statement the school released yesterday.

The “study falls short of the generally accepted rigor required for the publication of scientific work,” the panel said in its report. “Primary among the shortcomings was the failure of the principal investigator to disclose a conflict of interest.”

The university appointed the panel after Bloomberg News reported July 23 that Groat sat on the board of a gas-drilling company, which wasn’t disclosed when the study was released in February.

And this only happened because he got caught.

179 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:33:30am

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

No, it couldn’t be. Here in Chicagoland we often have entire weeks at a time which are overcast in autumn and winter, sometimes up to 2 weeks without direct sunlight. Solar won’t work well here, and transmission inefficiencies mean that sending power from regions where solar is more practical isn’t viable at this time.

Wind farms.

I know they are viable for Southeast Michigan because there is already a wind power system in place right across the border in Canada.

180 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:33:37am

There are few terms in the language that carry more emnity and disgust than “well poisoner”. Work from there.

181 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:37:21am

Uh Steve, you realize that Jon Stewart is a COMEDIAN and not a news reporter, right?

182 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:38:56am

Article is from last year.

Germany sets new solar power record, institute says

183 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:38:57am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

There are few terms in the language that carry more emnity and disgust than “well poisoner”. Work from there.

Well poisoners own judges in Texas:

A Texas state judge is promoting his recent decisions favoring a gas driller in its dispute with a local landowner as part of his election campaign, a move some legal scholars say may violate state judicial ethics rules.

184 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:40:15am

re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg

I concede these points but consider if Solar power was being used to its maximum capacity everywhere in the country it could be. I wonder how that would change the picture of American energy?

a big part of the inefficiencies of solar and wind are due to our inefficiencies in our current grid for the storage and delivery of that energy (something Obama tried to address with the stimulus) that they deliver. The distribution and routing improvements are an investment worth making, the jobs wouldn’t hurt either. It could be coupled with bringing the net/wireless capabilities everywhere, and it would have the benefit of giving “power” back to the people (thinking of electrifying the south) by giving them greater access to the world.

185 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:40:32am

The Twitterists on the ACA-Holocaust thread I joined are now trying to convince me that the ACA takes away our freedom of choice and imposes government decisions on us. I tried to make a comparison to car insurance, which they are of course ignoring.

Why are people so against having health insurance? I just don’t get it.

186 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:40:41am

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

Wind farms.

I know they are viable for Southeast Michigan because there is already a wind power system in place right across the border in Canada.

You could transmit power from there to here. I’m not sure about windmills around where I live since Chicago is on a flyway.

187 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:40:51am

RWNJs will circulate this story as FACT!!!! OMG LIBRUL GETS SUCKED INTO TRON NIGHTMARE!!!1!!

188 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:43:00am

re: #183 Interesting Times

Well poisoners own judges in Texas:

May violate…MAY VIOLATE? Good grief.

189 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:43:30am

re: #184 piratedan

a big part of the inefficiencies of solar and wind are due to our inefficiencies in our current grid for the storage and delivery of that energy (something Obama tried to address with the stimulus) that they deliver. The distribution and routing improvements are an investment worth making, the jobs wouldn’t hurt either. It could be coupled with bringing the net/wireless capabilities everywhere, and it would have the benefit of giving “power” back to the people (thinking of electrifying the south) by giving them greater access to the world.

My feelings exactly.

190 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:43:39am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

What does Chicago being on a flyway have to do with it?

191 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:50:55am

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

What does Chicago being on a flyway have to do with it?

Risk of migrating birds being killed by the turbine blades.

192 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:51:59am

re: #187 Vicious Babushka

RWNJs will circulate this story as FACT!!!! OMG LIBRUL GETS SUCKED INTO TRON NIGHTMARE!!!1!!

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Well, now I’ve got a use for all those tank programs. >:D

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:52:39am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Risk of migrating birds being killed by the turbine blades.

More migrating birds (including bald eagles) are killed by power lines.

194 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:53:09am

I see there are TWO (Count ‘em!) objections to wind power that constantly come up.

1. ZOMG TURBINES GRIND UP LITTLE BIRDIES!!!1!!!!

2. WIND TURBINES ARE UGLY AND SPOIL THE VIEW FROM THE GOLF COURSE!!!1!!!!!

195 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:54:25am

re: #194 Vicious Babushka

I see there are TWO (Count ‘em!) objections to wind power that constantly come up.

1. ZOMG TURBINES GRIND UP LITTLE BIRDIES!!!1!!!!

2. WIND TURBINES ARE UGLY AND SPOIL THE VIEW FROM THE GOLF COURSE!!!1!!!!!

Driving through Kansas my wife and I saw a ton of Turbines. They were certainly noticeable, but I wouldn’t call them eyesores or say they otherwise negatively impacted the landscape.

196 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:54:58am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Risk of migrating birds being killed by the turbine blades.

Far more are killed by city lights every year.

Seriously, this is the lamest, most desperate straw I’ve ever seen grasped by the anti-green energy crowd. Why don’t you ask a bird conservation group like Audubon what they think of wind power?

197 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:56:00am

FRACKING.

WIND TURBINES.

Which is uglier?

198 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:56:00am

re: #196 Ian G.

Far more are killed by city lights every year.

Seriously, this is the lamest, most desperate straw I’ve ever seen grasped by the anti-green energy crowd. Why don’t you ask a bird conservation group like Audubon what they think of wind power?

How are ducks and geese killed by city lights?

199 geoffm33  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:57:06am

re: #185 wheat-dogghazi

The Twitterists on the ACA-Holocaust thread I joined are now trying to convince me that the ACA takes away our freedom of choice and imposes government decisions on us. I tried to make a comparison to car insurance, which they are of course ignoring.

Why are people so against having health insurance? I just don’t get it.

Why do you ask questions you already know the answer to? Black President.

200 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:57:55am

I think the biggest risks to birdies in North America are house cats (or what should be house cats) and glass windows.

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:59:11am

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

How are ducks and geese killed by city lights?

Google Chicago’s Fatal Light Awareness Program (FLAP).

202 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:59:13am

re: #200 wrenchwench

I think the biggest risks to birdies in North America are house cats (or what should be house cats) and glass windows.

And yet no one really proposes banning cats. I think the opposition using that is as Ian pointed out is lame and desperate. And honestly, I don’t find the turbines that ugly too.

203 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:59:42am
204 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:00:34am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

And yet no one really proposes banning cats. I think the opposition using that is as Ian pointed out is lame and desperate. And honestly, I don’t find the turbines that ugly too.

I drive through the Wind Forest on the way from Detroit to Toronto and I think the turbines kick ass!

205 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:01:12am

re: #204 Vicious Babushka

I drive through the Wind Forest on the way from Detroit to Toronto and I think the turbines kick ass!

It kind of reminds me of the pictures I’ve seen of the Dutch country side. The turbines this is.

206 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:03:31am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or skyscrapers.

207 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:04:02am

Donald Trump freaks out every time somebody makes fun of him on Twitter. HE HAZ A RAGE THAT HE CAN’T BUY TEH TWITTERS AND MAKE IT BANKRUPT!!!!!!!

208 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:05:38am

re: #194 Vicious Babushka

There’s a third one - some anti-wind turbine folks have latched on to a claim that proximity to wind turbines causes medical ailments. Problem with the claims is that they aren’t actually proven to be the result of proximity to wind turbines and the testing methodology behind the claims is dubious at best.

209 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:08:12am

re: #208 lawhawk

There’s a third one - some anti-wind turbine folks have latched on to a claim that proximity to wind turbines causes medical ailments. Problem with the claims is that they aren’t actually proven to be the result of proximity to wind turbines and the testing methodology behind the claims is dubious at best.

They just need mohr tinfoil to block the turbine vibrations…

210 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:08:25am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

And yet no one really proposes banning cats. I think the opposition using that is as Ian pointed out is lame and desperate. And honestly, I don’t find the turbines that ugly too.

You can’t ban cats, since they’re the ones in charge.

/sort of.

211 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:08:33am

re: #208 lawhawk

There’s a third one - some anti-wind turbine folks have latched on to a claim that proximity to wind turbines causes medical ailments. Problem with the claims is that they aren’t actually proven to be the result of proximity to wind turbines and the testing methodology behind the claims is dubious at best.

There were some complaints about a mysterious low-frequency sound that was disturbing residents of Windsor, Ontario.

At first blame was placed on the wind turbines, but the sound was eventually traced to a manufacturing facility on the U.S. side.

212 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:09:30am

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

You can’t ban cats, since they’re the ones in charge.

/sort of.

Heh you know what I mean. Never been a big cat person anyhow. Always been more into dogs but that’s another story.

213 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:10:25am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

Google Chicago’s Fatal Light Awareness Program (FLAP).

Wow, thanks.

214 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:12:06am

I’ve got a job interview I’ve got to get to. Wish me luck and I’ll be back later.

215 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:12:44am

People have no problem waiting in line for a new phone, but heaven help anyone who has to wait any amount of time for health insurance via the ACA website.

216 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:14:23am

re: #215 lawhawk

People have no problem waiting in line for a new phone, but heaven help anyone who has to wait any amount of time for health insurance via the ACA website.

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People will camp outside for a gaming console for fuck sakes.

217 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:15:36am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

People will camp outside for a gaming console for fuck sakes.

I could never understand this behavior, but I guess for some people it’s a thing, and Apple exploits the frenzy to create a “buzz.”

218 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:16:16am

re: #217 Vicious Babushka

I could never understand this behavior, but I guess for some people it’s a thing, and Apple exploits the frenzy to create a “buzz.”

Yeah. I’d rather just wait.

219 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:17:57am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I’d rather just wait.

I have never had the urge to buy an Apple product.

I did once go into the Apple store at the mall and was immediately pounced upon by a swarm of “geniuses” who showed me the features of the latest iphone and ipad.

Then I went and bought an android.

220 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:19:03am

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

I have never had the urge to buy an Apple product.

I did once go into the Apple store at the mall and was immediately pounced upon by a swarm of “geniuses” who showed me the features of the latest iphone and ipad.

Then I went and bought an android.

I had an IPhone in college but I got a Droid. I prefer it. I do like the iPod all things considered but the way people obsess over Apple products amuses me.

221 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:20:24am

Eyesore.
Image: Coal_power_plant_Datteln_2_Crop1.png

222 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:22:27am

Wonder how many birds pollution kills.

223 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:22:56am

re: #221 Varek Raith

Eyesore.
Image: Coal_power_plant_Datteln_2_Crop1.png

Birds love that!//

224 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:24:08am

re: #221 Varek Raith

Eyesore.
Image: Coal_power_plant_Datteln_2_Crop1.png

Hey now, some coal plants have become quite iconic.

225 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:24:56am

OT: Any other aspiring poets here on LGF?

226 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:25:14am

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: Any other aspiring poets here on LGF?

Yeah, I’ve dabbled it in a little.

227 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:28:02am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

I’ve got a job interview I’ve got to get to. Wish me luck and I’ll be back later.

Good luck!

228 Joanne  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:28:05am

re: #195 Eclectic Cyborg

Driving through Kansas my wife and I saw a ton of Turbines. They were certainly noticeable, but I wouldn’t call them eyesores or say they otherwise negatively impacted the landscape.

I, personally, think they are cool as hell to look at. When I first drove from Fresno to San Francisco years ago, they have miles and miles of wind farms, of varying types, and I could not stop looking at them. Very, very cool!

229 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:29:07am

re: #185 wheat-dogghazi

Why are people so against having health insurance? I just don’t get it.

Because people do not understand how markets work, they just know babid Free market ideology coupled with a knee-jerk aversion to anything Obama might support, even if it is something the GOP supported until 2008…

230 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:29:17am

All the people fulminating about the exchanges and pushing this conventional wisdom that it would be a big story or something if it wasn’t for the shutdown remind me of the psychoanalyzing they did of Obama after the 2008 election. Remember when “pragmatic” was literally every pundits favorite word?

It’s like they’ve got word flu or something.

231 Joanne  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:30:11am

Wind farms near San Francisco.

232 Joanne  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:30:52am

re: #207 Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump freaks out every time somebody makes fun of him on Twitter. HE HAZ A RAGE THAT HE CAN’T BUY TEH TWITTERS AND MAKE IT BANKRUPT!!!!!!!

Maybe he should hire the Fox News sock puppets.

233 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:31:22am

re: #231 Joanne

Wind farms near San Francisco.

Neat.

234 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:32:03am

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: Any other aspiring poets here on LGF?

A man from Nantucket…

235 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:32:25am

re: #234 Aqua Obama

A man from Nantucket…

*Smack*

236 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:32:28am

re: #231 Joanne

Wind farms near San Francisco.

I get some of those same pictures when I Google Wind Farms Ontario

237 jaunte  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:35:51am

re: #234 Aqua Obama

A man from Nantucket…

Was farming the wind…

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:36:01am

re: #194 Vicious Babushka

I see there are TWO (Count ‘em!) objections to wind power that constantly come up.

1. ZOMG TURBINES GRIND UP LITTLE BIRDIES!!!1!!!!

2. WIND TURBINES ARE UGLY AND SPOIL THE VIEW FROM THE GOLF COURSE!!!1!!!!!

Fewer birdies equals higher golf scores. Doubly bad. :(
//

239 Joanne  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:36:22am

re: #236 Vicious Babushka

I get some of those same pictures when I Google Wind Farms Ontario

I almost wrecked as I was driving up I-5…I couldn’t take my eyes off of them. Miles and miles of turbines. As far as the eye could see. I loved the egg-beater turbines.

I spent months trying to figure out why there were so many different types (egg-beater, two blade, three blade)…where they for wind at different levels, different velocities, different….?? only to find out…no reason. They just try out different things.

I still think that was one of the coolest things I have ever seen in my life (and I have been to a multitude of countries on different continents).

UPDATED with good link. Sorry.

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:36:26am

I visited this place a few years ago.

Windfarm in the Highlands of Scotland

241 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:37:14am

re: #231 Joanne

Or, try the street view on Google Maps showing the wind farms along the 580 between SF and Modesto.

google.com

243 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:41:37am

How about a solar panel wind turbine. :)

igreenspot.com

244 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:42:35am

re: #243 Feline Fearless Leader

How about a solar panel wind turbine. :)

igreenspot.com

Sorcery.

245 Joanne  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:43:21am

re: #243 Feline Fearless Leader

How about a solar panel wind turbine. :)

igreenspot.com

VERY cool!! Make them in different colors and people will be crying out for Yard Art! :-)

246 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:43:26am

re: #242 Vicious Babushka

Are there no Walmarts? Are there no McDonalds?

A young person’s community is often closely tied to his or her success. The Opportunity Nation report tracked 16 factors — Internet access, college graduation rates, income inequality and public safety among them — and identified states that were doing well for its young people.

Topping the list of supportive states are Vermont, Minnesota and North Dakota. At the bottom? Nevada, Mississippi and New Mexico.

I really get tired of seeing my state on the bottom of lists like this.

247 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:43:38am

Another turbine project I visited, this one at Burray in the Orkney Islands.
It was privately built and, IIRC, paid for itself in 2 or 3 years.
Orkney Renewables

Photo: Turbine at Burray

248 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:44:54am

re: #6 Sol Berdinowitz

sounds like the result of a lot of serious inbreeding…

Genetic and intellectual.

249 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:46:40am

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

I really get tired of seeing my state on the bottom of lists like this.

You’re second from the bottom! Don’t try to take this from us! It’s all we have!

250 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:49:36am

Has The Onion gone too far this time? I would say so.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:56:47am

Lest we forget.

en.wikipedia.org

252 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:56:54am

Another renewable energy source to consider as part of a broad renewables package:

Wave power generator bags Dyson award

253 jaunte  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:58:37am

Rand Paul speaks, manages to land on both sides of Olmsted Dam:

He said construction has dragged on for too long and the project is an example of government not working well, but admitted that construction shouldn’t stop.

“It’s one of these things where we’re damned if we do, damned if we don’t - no pun intended,” Paul said. “Because we’ve gotten halfway into this thing, and it’s extraordinarily expensive, and it’s a boondoggle, but we can’t stop, because we need the dam.”
wkms.org

254 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:59:21am
Frank says:

Eddie, are you kidding?

I’ve been waiting forever for Frank to say that on a Snowden thread. Just got it on a front page load.

255 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 9:59:35am

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

Lest we forget.

en.wikipedia.org

And this:

The spill was over five feet deep in places and covered nearby residents’ yards. The spill polluted hundreds of miles (300 - 500 km) of the Big Sandy River and its tributaries and the Ohio River. The water supply for over 27,000 residents was contaminated, and all aquatic life in Coldwater Fork and Wolf Creek was killed. The spill was 30 times larger than the Exxon Valdez oil spill (12 million US gallons (45,000 m3)) and one of the worst environmental disasters ever in the southeastern United States, according to the United States Environmental Protection Agency

Martin County Slurry Spill

256 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:01:21am

re: #250 Political Atheist

Has The Onion gone too far this time? I would say so.

Maybe. But we all wince at the Jewish slur, while hardly noticing the indigenous American one. At very least, it should make us pause to think why that is.

Or to put it another way….

257 jaunte  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:02:50am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

a $5,600 fine was levied

I guess they learned their lesson.

259 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:03:49am

re: #256 Ian G.

Maybe. But we all wince at the Jewish slur, while hardly noticing the indigenous American one. At very least, it should make us pause to think why that is.

Or to put it another way….

I still think they should just change their logo to a potato!

I’m kind of pissed that PETA has the same idea.

260 allegro  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:03:51am

So last night I was watching the 10:00 news and they did a thing on Ted Cruz who visited Houston and did a thing. How did he begin his speech? He said that after spending so long in DC he was so “happy to be back in America”.

I cannot adequately express my disgust for that asshole.

262 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:04:47am

re: #257 jaunte

I guess they learned their lesson.

Well, to be fair, the next sentence notes:

Massey Energy spent $46 million in cleanup efforts and an additional $3 million in local fines and reported that “some citizens say the creek is cleaner now than before the spill.”[1]

But that was still just pocket change for Massey Energy.

263 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:05:48am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, to be fair, the next sentence notes:

But that was still just pocket change for Massey Energy.

A minute’s income
Shot to hell!

264 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:06:17am

And if our neighbors north of the border feel left out:

en.wikipedia.org

265 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:08:40am

re: #261 Varek Raith

Fox News: Anti-Bullying Policies Limit Conservatives’ Free Speech
…
Lol.

Glad Fox thinks harassing kids because they’re different is simply “free speech.” But just like Fox to defend bullying. Fucking pricks. And then they cry like sissies whenever someone says conservatism is a crock of shit or that Christianity may not have all the answers.

266 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:09:35am

And there’s this classic:

en.wikipedia.org

Which the coal company referred to as an “Act of God”.

267 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:09:49am

Really ugly coup talk at Freeperland:
Why are our Military Leaders being Purged?
This is based on a ludicrous nutjob blog post that uses innuendo, half truth and plain lies to suggest that 9 recently departed generals and admirals were the victims of a political purge, usually related to BENGHAZI. One of the nine had in fact routinely retired but this is alleged, on no evidence at all, to be a forced removal. The rest (out of hundreds of flag and general officers) were removed or disciplined for well documented disciplinary and leadership failures. In any case, the mob has swallowed it hook, line, and sinker:

“Maybe they expressed their displeasure about the turkey in the White House? I am increasingly of the opinion that only intervention by the military can save us from the ongoing “Third World” coup.”

“So is the military budget - it has been cut, cut, and cut again while Entitlement programs have not been touched. In fact, Entitlements are exploding.”

“Bozo has decided to reduce the ranks to only political officers. All the good ones are now either retired or purged.”

“I guess it’s up to the NCOs to plot a successful coup, declare martial law and arrest the occupant of the White Hut.”

“Hauling all the criminals to a concentration camp from the White Hut will take the entire D.C. Transit System.”

“Add to that: Not gay
Not willing to fire on civilians”

“So he ends up with homosexuals and leftists who will discipline any objectors in the ranks and force them out either by attrition or discharges until he ends up with a military that is finally purged of the patriots who know and read the constitution and those right wing Christians who actually have a moral code, both essential for a FREE people.

This is not going to end well.”

No, it won’t end well. This is not a bunch of fringe lunatics, they are mainstream lunatics, the heart and soul of the right wing in today’s America. They are whipping themselves into a frenzy to confront American soldiers. They can yelp, lie, and make their stupid boasts on the net all they want, but the minute they start shooting at United States soldiers, the fantasy driven fools will move into my line of fire as well. I mean that literally.

269 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:11:10am

Quick, everybody look surprised.///

270 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:11:33am

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel

the minute they start shooting at United States soldiers, the fantasy driven fools will move into my line of fire as well. I mean that literally.

United States Soldiers to Shiplord: Stand down, we have this.

271 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:13:26am

re: #250 Political Atheist

Has The Onion gone too far this time? I would say so.

Perhaps but I think they’re showing by using very anti-semitic slurs directed at Snyder how we wince at words like “kike” and etc that the same people who would be understandably offended by that don’t take much notice to Redskins. I got my own Dad to admit the other day that he had never really thought about the name from a Native American point of view and that’s always been the problem with the name. Not to mention the founder of the Redskins was arguably the most vile racist in sports history. So, yeah maybe they did go too far but perhaps that’s kinda the point. I really think this much as a native Washington area resident that people accept the name because it’s all they’ve ever known. If Redskins was proposed today, people wouldn’t want it but because generations have known it, they accept it and that’s wrong and it sucks.

272 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:14:15am

re: #256 Ian G.

Maybe. But we all wince at the Jewish slur, while hardly noticing the indigenous American one. At very least, it should make us pause to think why that is.

Or to put it another way….

An excellent point.

273 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:14:44am

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel

:::They are whipping themselves into a frenzy to confront American soldiers. They can yelp, lie, and make their stupid boasts on the net all they want, but the minute they start shooting at United States soldiers, the fantasy driven fools will move into my line of fire as well. I mean that literally.

This is a scenario I fear: there is a major natural and/or man-made disaster that requires declaring martial law and calling out the National Guard.

These lunatics are going to see it as a coup attempt on the part of the Tyrant in the White House and load up their copious magazines and starting firing back at the soldiers and civil servants out trying to maintain order and vital public services.

It could wind up looking like Somalia in a big hurry

274 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:16:57am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Perhaps but I think they’re showing by using very anti-semitic slurs directed at Snyder how we wince at words like “kike” and etc that the same people who would be understandably offended by that don’t take much notice to Redskins. I got my own Dad to admit the other day that he had never really thought about the name from a Native American point of view and that’s always been the problem with the name. Not to mention the founder of the Redskins was arguably the most vile racist in sports history. So, yeah maybe they did go too far but perhaps that’s kinda the point. I really think this much as a native Washington area resident that people accept the name because it’s all they’ve ever known. If Redskins was proposed today, people wouldn’t want it but because generations have known it, they accept it and that’s wrong and it sucks.

At the same time, I’m not getting outraged by Yid Army. In fact I think it’s kinda cool.

275 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:18:59am

re: #268 Varek Raith

Confronted With Example Of Obamacare Success, GOP Rep Freaks Out

This is the sort of article that I *wish* was The Onion.

276 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:20:03am

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

At the same time, I’m not getting outraged by Yid Army. In fact I think it’s kinda cool.

Yeah, I always do love it when age old insults are turned into positives. Not familiar with Yid Army though.

277 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:20:16am

re: #268 Varek Raith

Confronted With Example Of Obamacare Success, GOP Rep Freaks Out

Just like Karl Rove when he got the Ohio polling data…

278 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:21:18am

re: #277 Sol Berdinowitz

Just like Karl Rove when he got the Ohio polling data…

Heh yeah. It’s like how dare reality undermine my construct! Delusion, one hellvua drug.

279 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:21:20am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I always do love it when age old insults are turned into positives. Not familiar with Yid Army though.

It’s a sports team in the UK, not sure which sport.

280 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:21:49am

I told Zedushka about Yid Army and he wanted to know where he can get a T-shirt.

281 blueraven  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:22:00am

re: #234 Aqua Obama

A man from Nantucket…

re: #237 jaunte

Was farming the wind…

And all of the birds, they did duck it

282 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:22:40am

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

It’s a sports team in the UK, not sure which sport.

Probably football or rugby I imagine. Reminds me that I should look at going to a match when I’m there next year.

283 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:23:27am

re: #268 Varek Raith

Confronted With Example Of Obamacare Success, GOP Rep Freaks Out

It’s always nice to read something that shows here in Kentucky we can occasionally do things really well.
That NC woman is so full of shit. How dare she call my governor a liar?

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:24:44am

re: #280 Vicious Babushka

I told Zedushka about Yid Army and he wanted to know where he can get a T-shirt.

Ask and ye shall receive:

amazon.com

285 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:25:29am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s always nice to read something that shows here in Kentucky we can occasionally do things really well.
That NC woman is so full of shit. How dare she call my governor a liar?

I’ve noticed him calling out the ACA crazies. Do you think he’ll consider a run against Rand Paul in 2016?

286 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:25:49am

re: #280 Vicious Babushka

I told Zedushka about Yid Army and he wanted to know where he can get a T-shirt.

Tottenham.

Tottenham have a large fanbase in the United Kingdom, drawn largely from North London and the Home counties. Five times between 1946 and 1969, Tottenham had the highest average attendance in England.[33][34] There are also Tottenham supporters’ clubs located all over the world. Tottenham were 9th in average attendances for the 2008/9 Premier League season, and 11th for all Premier League seasons.[35] Historical supporters of the club have included such figures as A.J. Ayer.[36][37] Tottenham supporters have rivalries with several clubs, mainly within the London area. The fiercest of these is with North London rivals Arsenal. They also share notable rivalries with fellow London clubs Chelsea and West Ham United.[38]

The club, as with many clubs in London, has a large Jewish following and this has led to much antisemitic provocation[39][40] against Tottenham supporters. Tottenham supporters, Jewish and non-Jewish, united against this and adopted the nickname “Yids”, developing chants to support this. Many fans view adopting “Yid” as a badge of pride, helping defuse its power as an insult.[41] Today it is mainly used to distinguish Tottenham fans from other football supporters. Many fans, however, disagree with the use of the name “Yid”, and believe it will only attract more racism.[42] In April 2011, Jewish comedian, author and Chelsea-supporter[43] David Baddiel produced a short film stating that the anti-semitic chanting is as unacceptable as the abuse still suffered by black footballers, and must be stamped out accordingly.[44]

287 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:26:11am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ask and ye shall receive:

amazon.com

I am so totally buying that for my son-in-law (he’s a Brit!)

288 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:26:35am

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

It’s a sports team in the UK, not sure which sport.

soccer team from Tottenham.

289 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:27:04am

Ohio University student attacked by Internet trolls after she’s misidentified as alleged rape victim in online video

An Ohio University sophomore has deactivated her social media accounts and is afraid to leave her house after she was falsely identified as the woman who reported she’d been raped in an incident captured on cell phone video by a passerby.
…
The Daily Mail reported that Cassidy was identified as the woman from the blurry video by the Twitter account @Anon_Central, which has more than 170,000 followers.

The account linked to a posting on the men’s rights message board Crimes Against Fathers that includes a clear image of the alleged victim’s face alongside photos of Cassidy, in addition to her address and links to her social media profiles and organizations in which she’s active.

“A woman named Rachel Cassidy was getting oral sex performed on her by a man on a public street, and a bunch of guys walked up and started filming it,” the posting says. “Well, the videos obviously went viral and Ohio University was threatening to kick her out, and so she changed her story and claimed it was ‘rape,’ in order to avoid getting expelled. Now the guy is facing criminal charges because this evil woman decided to make a false rape accusation against him.”

The person who posted that information, a prolific poster who calls himself JohnRambo, asked for “hard evidence” to confirm whether or not the woman in the video was Cassidy.

He also complains that Cassidy’s sorority took down a photo of her from its website, asking “WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE?”

A subsequent posting by JohnRambo lists the contact information, photographs and disparaging remarks about the physical appearance of the university’s dean of students and urges others to demand the name of the alleged victim in exchange for removing Cassidy’s contact information.

Other Twitter users posted Cassidy’s name and accused her of lying about the sexual assault, and her parents said the experience has been a nightmare.

“Maybe it’s a reflection on where we are in society today, but people have been falsely identified and gone off to prison,” said her father, Steve Cassidy. “Not the case with Rachel; she’s been falsely identified and it’s led to a horrific attack on her reputation, and this will set the record straight and she’ll be able to move on. It’s a parent’s nightmare; it’s her nightmare.”

290 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:28:23am

re: #289 Kragar

That reminds me of when Zimmermans “address” got distributed online after the Trayvon Martin shooting.

291 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:28:41am

re: #287 Vicious Babushka

I am so totally buying that for my son-in-law (he’s a Brit!)

Yid Army clothing has a Facebook page:

facebook.com

292 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:29:19am

re: #290 Eclectic Cyborg

That reminds me of when Zimmermans “address” got distributed online after the Trayvon Martin shooting.

Except in this case, they want to attack the victim of a rape, but any woman will do as a target.

293 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:29:22am

Wow… the new version of OS X, Mavericks, is free to all Mac owners. Very smart move by Apple.

294 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:30:05am

re: #289 Kragar

Ohio University student attacked by Internet trolls after she’s misidentified as alleged rape victim in online video

The addition of the phrase “men’s rights’ message board” says everything one needs to know about the people behind this.

295 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:30:17am

re: #293 Charles Johnson

Wow… the new version of OS X, Mavericks, is free to all Mac owners. Very smart move by Apple.

Its a trap.

296 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:31:04am

re: #289 Kragar

Ohio University student attacked by Internet trolls after she’s misidentified as alleged rape victim in online video

So instead of offering her what would have been misplaced support, internet trolls attack her. Goddamn the itnernet brings out the worst in some people. Yeah, you how dare you get raped, you terrible person, the poor rapist!

297 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:31:46am

re: #295 Kragar

Its a trap.

“It’s a trick. Get an axe.”

298 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:31:53am

re: #294 klys

The addition of the phrase “men’s rights’ message board” says everything one needs to know about the people behind this.

Men’s rights activists= biggest whiners ever and the same people who complain about women, minorities, and others needing activists for them. Shit makes me embarrassed to be a white guy.

299 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:32:39am

I see I missed the lively fracking discussion earlier. I’m so glad to know that at least some people out there can distinguish between valid environmental and health concerns and nutcases instead of lumping everyone into the latter category.

300 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:33:44am

re: #299 klys

I see I missed the lively fracking discussion earlier. I’m so glad to know that at least some people out there can distinguish between valid environmental and health concerns and nutcases instead of lumping everyone into the latter category.

To be fair, D_F made it very easy to demolish his arguments.

301 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:33:51am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s always nice to read something that shows here in Kentucky we can occasionally do things really well.
That NC woman is so full of shit. How dare she call my governor a liar?

Easy now. You know she’s only programmed to say certain things. /

302 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:34:14am

re: #301 Bulworth

Easy now. You know she’s only programmed to say certain things. /

heh…

303 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:34:25am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

We need more like him. The KY governor that is.

304 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:34:45am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Men’s rights activists= biggest whiners ever and the same people who complain about women, minorities, and others needing activists for them. Shit makes me embarrassed to be a white guy.

The people who claim that the majority of rapes are false accusations, that this is much more an issue for guys because a false accusation can ruin their life, etc., etc., etc.

Whenever I see someone online associated with that I can pretty much predict the argument lines that come along with it. Probably one of the reasons I react so poorly to the dudebros; they have a lot in common.

305 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:35:08am

re: #303 Bulworth

We need more like him. The KY governor that is.

Yeah. I’m actually amazed Kentucky has a Dem governor.

306 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:35:59am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

ACORN! Voter Fraud!!11

307 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:36:10am

re: #293 Charles Johnson

Wow… the new version of OS X, Mavericks, is free to all Mac owners. Very smart move by Apple.

Guess it’s time to upgrade my iMac..Nervous but I backed up to my 1TB time machine drive. Well I was totally surprised my Linux Bash scripts seem to error out on my Mac. The Mac OS is supposed to be pure Unix..But there are differences apparently.
/Wrote bash in Linux Mint

308 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:36:23am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

To be fair, D_F made it very easy to demolish his arguments.

I know, but that they were made in the first place is …not an example in critical thinking.

309 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:36:47am

re: #303 Bulworth

We need more like him. The KY governor that is.

I’m still ticked off that he gave tax breaks to the Creation Museum and Noah’s Ark thing, but he bucked the RW here in our General Assembly that was trying to block the state exchange and issued an executive order to establish it.

310 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:38:06am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yid Army clothing has a Facebook page:

facebook.com

My SIL just texted that Tottenham stadium is just down the road from his parent’s house in Stamford Hill, which is a Jewish neighborhood in London like Borough Park.

Which would explain The Yids.

311 EmmaAnne  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:41:38am

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

FRACKING.

WIND TURBINES.

Which is uglier?

I think wind turbines are kind of cool and elegant looking.

312 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:41:41am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I’m actually amazed Kentucky has a Dem governor.

We usually do have Dem governors. Our last R governor was Ernie Fletcher…majorly corrupt. He was elected after his predecessor (Democrat Paul Patton) got himself embroiled in a sex scandal.

313 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:41:46am

Apple announced its new OS - Mavericks - and it’s free. Apple people in the office are going apeshit right now like the world just discovered fire. I like my Macbook Air, I will say - it’s a pretty powerful machine (more than I need) and the 12 hour battery life (all solid state memory/storage) is rather convenient - I can travel for three days and not carry a charger. But the cult of Apple is something I still don’t understand.

314 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:41:56am
315 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:41:56am

Wikipedia declares all-out war on PR sock puppets

Wikipedia editors are actively engaged in a wide-ranging battle against PR firms attempting to edit the crowdsourced encyclopedia’s entries to reflect their clients’ best interests.

Over the past couple weeks, those Wikipedia editors have isolated several hundred user accounts linked to people “paid to write articles on Wikipedia promoting organizations or products,” according to Sue Gardner, executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation, which oversees Wikipedia’s operations. Those users’ accounts violate Wikipedia’s guidelines, “including prohibitions against sockpuppetry and undisclosed conflicts of interest.” Some 250 suspicious user accounts have already been nuked.

“Our readers know Wikipedia’s not perfect, but they also know that it has their best interests at heart, and is never trying to sell them a product or propagandize them in any way,” Gardner added. “Our goal is to provide neutral, reliable information for our readers, and anything that threatens that is a serious problem. We are actively examining this situation and exploring our options.”

316 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:42:59am

re: #308 klys

I know, but that they were made in the first place is …not an example in critical thinking.

I was reading his comments as he was making them and just shook my head in amazement because it was like he was just cruising for a bruising…

317 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:43:06am

re: #314 lawhawk

Amazing: Terry McAuliffe has a 17 point lead over Ken Cuccinelli for VA-Gov

HURR HURR THAT MUST MEAN WERE NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!!1!!!!

318 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:43:51am

2013 Hyundai Santa Fe - now with the optional Zombie Apocalypse package.

Image: 1380512_10151617151711082_2108139619_n.jpg

319 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:43:51am

re: #314 lawhawk

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Couldn’t happen to a nicer douche. It’s too bad that McAuliffe will be a so-so governor but Cuccinnelli will at least have his career ruined by being a crackpot nutjob.

320 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:43:55am

re: #315 Kragar

Wikipedia declares all-out war on PR sock puppets

What about Amazon reviewers?

321 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:44:47am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR THAT MUST MEAN WERE NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!!1!!!!

I’m going to have a laughing induced heart attack when I hear Rush or whoever try to claim that Cucci for cocoa puffs wasn’t right wing enough and that’s why he lost. I just know it’s coming especially since Cucci did try to run away from Ted Cruz.

322 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:46:39am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

So instead of offering her what would have been misplaced support, internet trolls attack her. Goddamn the itnernet brings out the worst in some people. Yeah, you how dare you get raped, you terrible person, the poor rapist!

This is what the Internet is not good for: a nuanced discussion of a very touchy and emotionally charged subject.

323 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:48:54am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

United States Soldiers to Shiplord: Stand down, we have this.

Sorry, I won’t. There is a long history here: It has never been possible for an organized military force to control an insurgency without a substantial amount of local support. This usually means intelligence but, depending on circumstances, it can also include more direct action. From the various para-militaries in Vietnam to the Sunni militia who were “turned” in Anbar province, friendly irregulars can swing the balance against unfriendly ones.
It is both legal and moral to use violence against those who use lethal violence in defiance of the law. Whether it is wise depends on the circumstances. We can predict with fair certainty that violent RWNJs would indulge in massacre and assassination if they could gain effective control of an even a small area for even a few hours. They have not been shy about saying so. “Effective control” is virtually impossible for them though, since it would automatically attract violent opposition from potential victims and other locals during the period before the authorities can organize a response.

324 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:51:11am

re: #314 lawhawk

Super-Skewed. /

325 jaunte  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:28:46am

re: #280 Vicious Babushka

I told Zedushka about Yid Army and he wanted to know where he can get a T-shirt.

£ 14.19!
tot-tees.spreadshirt.co.uk

326 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:48:22am

re: #308 klys

I know, but that they were made in the first place is …not an example in critical thinking.

It was ludicrous. How can anyone seriously claim that corporations are entitled to keep secrets because their opponents are (allegedly) clueless/ideological?

A political analogy would be to say that the workings of the ACA should be made a state secret because otherwise GOP/Fox News will misuse information about how it works to generate propaganda.

And from our history, it is well known that the only check on corporate abuses that has ever worked is legislation and rule making based on the best information available.

327 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:47:36pm

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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VB, Please break down this tweet for us. I have no idea what she’s trying to say. I gather it’s something whiny and useless, but I don’t get it.


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