Anti-gay pundits deplete national supply of Nazi comparisons, irony

Like the boy who cried wolf…to cover up that his hobby was mutilating sheep.
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The gays are going to force us all into tolerating them, Or kill us. Or tolerance-camp us.

Something that requires a pre-emptive strike by the forces of decency…which will coincidentally take the form of policing the population for gayness, criminalizing gayness, and maybe forced reparitive therapy…in camps. And the occasional stoning to keep morale high.

Following the resignation of Mozilla president Brendan Eich, the wingnut talking heads have increased their outpouring of claims that public protest against discrimination is a sign that gays are the real persecutors.

Gays stifle dissent by protests and boycotts
, therefore they’re fascists. Wingnuts don’t boycott anything, because freedom…unless it’s pertinent to gay people.

Gays are intolerant of intolerant Christians…and btw, you can’t be truly Christian and tolerant of gay marriage. So a sizable chunk of Christendom just vanishes.

Gay organizations are terrorists
, because they make people afraid…not, you know, actual terrorists who issue violent threats, blow up stuff, and kill and beat people. But they’re going to, we are continuously assured, as soon as they have power. They’ll murder Christians and conservatives They’ll corrupt the youth and make them believe wrong things.

So let’s take this at face value, that this is a criticism of activists and extremists. But gay organizations aren’t all representative of all gay people, right? It’s not like they’d say the same thing of any homosexual person, regardless of whether or not they express themselves on the political stage? It’s not like the bundle of assertions made following the Mozilla dust-up are simply replays of an opt-repeated script? Surely, these critics would accept that premise, and a modicum of research won’t turn up an ongoing agenda of denying any legitimacy to the concept of homosexuality?

There is no acceptable form of homosexuality for these organizations. They’re a threat to children, and marriage equality is child abuse. The mere depiction of a homosexual couple as “normal” is Satanic propaganda.

They’re all child molestors for good measure.

Oh…and The Gay are a sinister cabal taking over the US and the world. Can’t forget that gem. Gays are Maoist Cultural Revolutionaries and Gestapo rolled into one.

Gayness is such a threat that it’s simultaneously a mental instability and a moral failing resultant from Satanic influence. As such, it’s wrong to support measures to control bullying of gay teens. Because obviously, the way to help the mentally ill is to ostracize and humiliate them until they’re willing to succumb to unreliable treatments with ethically dubious administrators.

So, again, let’s be forgiving. Let’s say, “it’s their opinion, their faith, who are we to make them configure their ideas and lives to our standard?”

Well, the appeals to civil liberty and free speech…to freedom as an ur-concept…do not apply to homosexuals, period. The declared existential threat to America/Christendom/the world justifies any means…and they just happen to have laws drawn up that quantify to those means, and are lobbying for them.

The criminalization of homosexuality in Nigeria and Uganda, were lobbied for by American ministries and anti-gay pundits like Scott Lively. Putin’s Russia in particular has been singled out for praise of its protection of civil liberty. There’s a conspiracy to make the world gay, and the people writing laws to criminalize homosexuality are the brave defenders of freedom…and all the individual homosexuals totally deserve what they get.

On the home front, they’ve had less success, thanks to the codification of civil liberties and the court system, but they keep trying: the “Don’t Say Gay bill” (Missouri House Bill 2051), many state-level constitutional definitions of marriage, up to the un-signed right-to-discriminate law in Arizona. When the legal structure bars the progress of such institutional dscrimination, they just claim it’s part of the great conspiracy, and fantasize about the glorious revolt they’ll lead.

*end of rant*

The linkage in this article represents slightly more than a month of declarations by anti-gay pundits. It is not even a comprehensive list, just a sampling, of what’s out there. The idea that the Mozilla case has changed the tenor of the argument is laughable, it’s just another situation in which the same care-worn claims are trotted out. And, as always, the perceived intolerance of “homosexual activists” is being used to justify an enormous legal and cultural structure that will banish homosexuality and homosexuals from society permanently. That they demand criminalization of homosexual acts, and praise nations in which there is not only criminalization, but stochastic violence against (perceived) homosexuals demonstrates that there’s no genuine interest in a market of opinions, or an agreement to disagree. The appeals to freedom of speech and civil liberty are two-faced at best, since the rest of the time they speak explicitly about how anyone that disagrees with them deserves no voice, no citizenship, and in some case, no recognition as an human being.

The only irony greater than their appeals to freedom are their invocation of fascist imagery to characterize homosexuals…all homosexuals, not just activists or politicians. Scott Lively is the most-often quoted individual in this post, and has an outsized share of the intellectual market amongst homophobes. He’s author of “The Pink Swastika,” which asserts that the NSDAP regime was an explicitly homosexual movement. His subsequent interviews and writings on the subject of homosexuality, including the justifications for things such as the Ugandan law he crafted, invoke the image of brutal gay cadres (in his imagery, male), their sexuality tied directly to their violence. This idea of bullies-soon-to-be-butchers has pervaded the anti-gay movement, and is the rallying point in justifying suppressing all expression of homosexuality*…which is eerily similar to the invocation of conspiracy and cultural infiltration the NSDAP itself used.

*more, accurately, all sexual expression outside of a very limited, gender-essentialist format.

Addendum:

(H/T Charles)

Just a Reminder: The Campaign for Prop 8 Was Unprecedentedly Cruel

The tactics used by pro-Prop 8 campaigners were not merely homophobic. They were laser-focused to exploit Californians’ deepest and most irrational fears about gay people, indoctrinating an entire state with cruelly anti-gay propaganda. Early on, Prop 8’s supporters decided to focus their campaign primarily on children, stoking parents’ fears about gay people brainwashing their kids with pro-gay messages or, implicitly, turning their children gay.

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311 comments
1 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:54:27am

Very nice compilation. This is excellent background material to have in mind when looking at something like Ross Douchehat’s recent whine in the NYT: nytimes.com

But it’s still important for the winning side to recognize its power. We are not really having an argument about same-sex marriage anymore, and on the evidence of Arizona, we’re not having a negotiation. Instead, all that’s left is the timing of the final victory — and for the defeated to find out what settlement the victors will impose.

My personal terms for this settlement are simple enough —- for all of the linked ideas in the OP to go into the dustbin of history, recognized by just about everyone as the exclusive province of cranks and bigots.

2 Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2014 4:57:52am

“The Gays are meeting in upscale Bierkellers to plot gay weddings.”

Snopes: “Mostly True”

3 sauceruney  Apr 5, 2014 5:24:39am

Certain areas of this country need to be mapped as hostile to human rights and forgotten about until such time as their citizens elect reasonable representation. Their colleges should lose accreditation.

They’re acting like children and should be put in time-out. Indefinitely.

4 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 10:08:21am

Reminds me of how it was in the days of Women’s Liberation—we were called either skanky whores or butch lesbians.

Even though most of us were just ordinary women who saw through the patriarchal bullshit.

But this is how the reactionaries try to label anyone who’s fighting for their human rights or their constitutionally protected rights.

5 TedStriker  Apr 5, 2014 10:24:41am

re: #3 sauceruney

Certain areas of this country need to be mapped as hostile to human rights and forgotten about until such time as their citizens elect reasonable representation. Their colleges should lose accreditation.

They’re acting like children and should be put in time-out. Indefinitely.

Umm, no.

There’s plenty of us who aren’t RWNJs here in red states.

6 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 10:25:48am

Most of the people demonizing Gay people say they’re doing it in the name of freedom and decency.

Which only goes to show you how seriously fucked in the head those bastards are.

7 TedStriker  Apr 5, 2014 10:27:37am

re: #6 Kragar

Most of the people demonizing Gay people say they’re doing it in the name of freedom and decency.

Which only goes to show you how seriously fucked in the head those bastards are.

And more than a few of those God-botherers are in the fucking closet and are knocking boots with same-sex partners on the down low themselves.

Talk about cognitive dissonance…

8 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 10:28:59am

re: #3 sauceruney

Certain areas of this country need to be mapped as hostile to human rights and forgotten about until such time as their citizens elect reasonable representation. Their colleges should lose accreditation.

They’re acting like children and should be put in time-out. Indefinitely.

Relaxation centers!

9 electrotek  Apr 5, 2014 10:30:12am

And ironically, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are nowhere to be found when their allies spew homophobic rhetoric. Typical.

10 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 10:30:18am

re: #3 sauceruney

Certain areas of this country need to be mapped as hostile to human rights and forgotten about until such time as their citizens elect reasonable representation. Their colleges should lose accreditation.

They’re acting like children and should be put in time-out. Indefinitely.

and be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century by activism, education and a strong Federal government which stops treating their myths and folklore as legitimate legal and religious theory.

Fixed.

11 sattv4u2  Apr 5, 2014 10:43:40am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Relaxation centers!

leaving work in a few minutes and heading to one (i.e.,, a golf course)

12 Ryan King  Apr 5, 2014 10:45:10am

You obviously work for the Gheystapo, Ghost of a Flea.

If that is your real name…

13 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 10:50:04am
14 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 10:50:43am

Its amazing what swapping a word or two can do.

Religious beliefs are a lifestyle choice.

No one is born religious, but are indoctrinated to think they were by the religious agenda.

Religious beliefs have been responsible for countless cases of abuse and other crimes in our society.

Religious activists routinely target the most vulnerable members of our society to get them to adopt the religious lifestyle.

15 Sionainn  Apr 5, 2014 10:52:32am

re: #14 Kragar

Its amazing what swapping a word or two can do.

Religious beliefs are a lifestyle choice.

No one is born religious, but are indoctrinated to think they were by the religious agenda.

Religious beliefs have been responsible for countless cases of abuse and other crimes in our society.

Religious activists routinely target the most vulnerable members of our society to get them to adopt the religious lifestyle.

Truth.

16 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 10:53:06am

re: #11 sattv4u2

leaving work in a few minutes and heading to one (i.e.,, a golf course)

Just stay away from the progressives only water fountain. You remember what happened last time.

17 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 10:55:10am

And now, I’m taking the kids to see Captain America.

Laters

18 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 10:56:17am
19 Ryan King  Apr 5, 2014 10:57:37am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Just stay away from the progressives only water fountain. You remember what happened last time.

Yes, you were poster boy for Nazi analogies. Remember that horrid time in our great nation’s history?

20 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 10:59:44am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Just stay away from the progressives only water fountain. You remember what happened last time.

Ah yes, the slippery slope between a CEO being let go for advocating discrimination, and the enforcement of discrimination in society. Well-known!

21 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 11:03:32am

I have almost NO gaydar. I remember I was catching up on old times with an old not-quite-girlfriend at a tavern one time, it was really crowded, so another guy asked if we could join us. No problem. After a while he joined in the conversation, and after he left I told my NQGF that “He was really rude, flirting and hitting on you like that in front of me”

She gave me that “Poor Dear… Clueless” look that some women can do so well, and just said “It wasn’t ME he was flirting with”.

The Right is offended and upset because they aren’t getting to make all the rules anymore.

RBS

22 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 11:05:18am

Ugh
Mob Attacks Ebola Treatment Site in Guinea

The Guinean government appealed for calm Saturday, after a mob attacked a center where Ebola virus victims were being treated.

The attack took place in the southern town of Macenta on Friday, at a center run by Doctors Without Borders.

Witnesses say some of the attackers accused the international relief group of bringing the deadly virus to the region.

The incident forced Doctors Without Borders to suspend treatment at the site and evacuate its team.

23 Ryan King  Apr 5, 2014 11:07:18am

I don’t have any gay friends.

If I did I might have quit being an insensitive laggard about gay rights much sooner.

Now I’m a Gheystapo Probie and can’t wait to get my wings oppressing some poor freedom loving Murican by mocking him on Twitter.

24 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 11:17:57am

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Ugh
Mob Attacks Ebola Treatment Site in Guinea

I know that it’s not directly related, but I think that when the CIA used a phony medical survey / testing for polio to locate Bin Ladin. That can only cause a general mistrust of medical professionals in my mind.

RBS

25 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 11:19:25am

re: #23 Ryan King

You might have had friends who were gay and didn’t know it.

I’ve never been homophobic but I can’t take any credit for it. I grew up in San Francisco, and just saw regular gay people around when I was growing up. Gay cops, gay taxi cab drivers, gay butchers, gay guys walking their dogs together, gay guys getting into dumb arguments, lesbians necking in the park. It couldn’t have been more clear that they were just people.

There are a lot of individuals, like Harvey Milk, who did a lot to advance gay rights. But the biggest advancement of all has just come from the distributed effects of those brave gay guys and women living their lives openly. To change a mind already made up takes extraordinary effort; for kids to learn that gay people are fine just takes growing up seeing gay people living normal lives.

26 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 11:19:45am

re: #24 RealityBasedSteve

I know that it’s not directly related, but I think that when the CIA used a phony medical survey / testing for polio to locate Bin Ladin. That can only cause a general mistrust of medical professionals in my mind.

RBS

It didn’t help but some people will oppose vaccinations and modern medicine not matter what else happens.

27 AntonSirius  Apr 5, 2014 11:20:25am

I think the phrase you’re looking for, GoaF, is “strategic Godwin reserves”.

Also, I’m finding the fact that Eich’s resignation is getting pinned on “gay rights activists” when it had more to do with internal pressure from Mozilla employees and board members very… telling.

28 allegro  Apr 5, 2014 11:21:44am

My best friend is an older lady/dog lover like me who lives here in the RV park. We walk our dogs together every evening. For a few months, there was a guy here working a contract and he seemed to wait for us to walk by to stop us for a chat and to pet the dogs and stuff. One night he said, “Oh! You don’t live together?” with great and obvious surprise.

I cracked up but my friend was a bit offended that he would think we were a couple. She’s definitely loosened up since and now makes jokes about people seeing us as a couple when we go out for our Friday evening dinners out - we know that some do just because we’re two women out together. This is a new thing really. A decade or two ago I doubt such a thought would have crossed anyone’s mind, we would just be what we are, friends having dinner together or walking our dogs. I tend to think it’s a positive change for the most part.

29 GeneJockey  Apr 5, 2014 11:25:40am

re: #25 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You might have had friends who were gay and didn’t know it.

I’ve never been homophobic but I can’t take any credit for it. I grew up in San Francisco, and just saw regular gay people around when I was growing up. Gay cops, gay taxi cab drivers, gay butchers, gay guys walking their dogs together, gay guys getting into dumb arguments. It couldn’t have been more clear that they were just people.

There are a lot of individuals, like Harvey Milk, who did a lot to advance gay rights. But the biggest advancement of all has just come from the distributed effects of those brave gay guys living their lives openly. To change a mind already made up takes extraordinary effort; for kids to learn that gay people are fine just takes growing up seeing gay people living normal lives.

I’ve never been homophobic, and I grew up in literally the most conservative county in Pennsylvania. I SAW a lot of homophobia growing up, even though I didn’t see more than one or two guys I’m pretty sure were gay, in retrospect.

I was exposed to even more blatant homophobia on the Bowsite, where guys like me occasionally wondered whether gay guys were as obsessed with the mechanics of bowhunting as bowhunters seem obsessed with the mechanics of gay sex.

But I’ve never, ever understood it. I’ve been propositioned by a gay guy once in my life, and what I said was, “Sorry, not interested. Who’s buying the next round?”

30 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 11:36:43am

God created man. The SCOTUS created man.

31 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 11:38:44am

So—here we go again. Remember that the LDS church gave millions to get Prop 8 passed, too.

Top Mormon leader reiterates church’s opposition to gay marriage during biannual general conference - @AP
bigstory.ap.org

theatlantic.com

32 bratwurst  Apr 5, 2014 11:39:33am

Can someone PLEASE assure me this is not for real?

George Zimmerman Sells Trayvon Martin Painting for $30,000

33 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 11:42:11am

re: #32 bratwurst

Can someone PLEASE assure me this is not for real?

George Zimmerman Sells Trayvon Martin Painting for $30,000

“Art” is in the eye of the beholder, and there’s a sucker born every minute.

And Zimmerman really is a POS.

34 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 11:46:10am

re: #29 GeneJockey

I’ve never been homophobic, and I grew up in literally the most conservative county in Pennsylvania. I SAW a lot of homophobia growing up, even though I didn’t see more than one or two guys I’m pretty sure were gay, in retrospect.

I was exposed to even more blatant homophobia on the Bowsite, where guys like me occasionally wondered whether gay guys were as obsessed with the mechanics of bowhunting as bowhunters seem obsessed with the mechanics of gay sex.

But I’ve never, ever understood it. I’ve been propositioned by a gay guy once in my life, and what I said was, “Sorry, not interested. Who’s buying the next round?”

I always hung out with the artsy kids so it was never really an issue. It was a little awkward when I moved off to college (conservatory with a large theater program) but you get used to communal showers with gay guys.

35 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 11:47:17am
36 Romantic Heretic  Apr 5, 2014 11:47:34am

This whole kerfuffle simply points out the difference between power and freedom.

Power generally sees freedom for those who didn’t have it before as a threat to its power and reacts with fury.

Freedom doesn’t see others getting freedom as a threat to itself and reacts with joy.

37 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 5, 2014 11:56:39am

Do not eat Russian cheese…

38 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 11:58:19am

re: #37 NJDhockeyfan

Do not eat Russian cheese…

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Two things I would never do:

1. Buy Russian cheese (or anything Russian).

2. Buy anything painted by George Zimmerman.

39 AntonSirius  Apr 5, 2014 12:03:55pm

3. Buy anything painted by George Dubya.

40 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 5, 2014 12:20:55pm

This is sad…

41 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 5, 2014 12:22:35pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

This is sad…

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Is this Brampton, Ontario?

42 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 5, 2014 12:31:35pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Is this Brampton, Ontario?

Yes

43 Archangelus  Apr 5, 2014 12:31:59pm

re: #39 AntonSirius

4. Support anyone/buy anything recommended by Karl Rove

44 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 5, 2014 12:40:09pm
45 CuriousLurker  Apr 5, 2014 12:46:35pm

Well done, TGoaF!

46 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 12:47:16pm

I’m so not scared of the LGBT community.

I am, however, deeply suspicious of the Christian Community. IIRC, it was a Chrisitian who murdered a doctor IN A CHURCH.

47 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 12:49:58pm

re: #37 NJDhockeyfan

Do not eat Russian cheese…

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eweeeeck!

48 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 12:52:44pm

Editing LGF Pages now works very nicely on mobile phones, including preview.

49 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 12:53:18pm
50 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 5, 2014 12:53:31pm
51 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 12:56:22pm

re: #27 AntonSirius

I think the phrase you’re looking for, GoaF, is “strategic Godwin reserves”.

Also, I’m finding the fact that Eich’s resignation is getting pinned on “gay rights activists” when it had more to do with internal pressure from Mozilla employees and board members very… telling.

We have a winner here.

The MBF shysters conjure up images of professional Gaystapo operatives that are blinkered zealots (like Strelnikoff in Dr. Zhivago) and who have nothing better to do than be outraged all the time as the main drivers for the anti-Eich sentiment.

That doesn’t really seem to be how this played out. Various people simply didn’t like the idea of an unreconstructed bigot being the CEO of Mozilla and made their views known.

52 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 12:56:55pm

Last night I had fresh brussels sprouts, roasted while still on the stalk. Man, was that ever delicious. I can’t believe I used to hate brussels sprouts as a kid. But when I was a kid, Americans had some weird ideas about how to cook vegetables.

53 CuriousLurker  Apr 5, 2014 12:56:57pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Just stay away from the progressives only water fountain. You remember what happened last time.

I don’t know if you were trying to be funny or clever, but appropriating Jim Crow laws as being in any way similar to your current pet peeve over supposed progressive intolerance is total bullshit. You sound just like the idiot wingnuts who scream about Nazis and being made to ride at the back of the bus.

This was the reality of what you’re referencing—grow the fuck up:

A “colored” drinking fountain in a streetcar terminal in Oklahoma City, 1939.

54 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 12:58:07pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Last night I had fresh brussels sprouts, roasted while still on the stalk. Man, was that ever delicious. I can’t believe I used to hate brussels sprouts as a kid. But when I was a kid, Americans had some weird ideas about how to cook vegetables.

mmmmm, GGT and hubby LOVES some brussel sprouts.

lately, hubby has been flash frying them in garlic oil. I eat them just like that, but he ads some asian bottled sauce to his.

55 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 12:59:11pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Last night I had fresh brussels sprouts, roasted while still on the stalk. Man, was that ever delicious. I can’t believe I used to hate brussels sprouts as a kid. But when I was a kid, Americans had some weird ideas about how to cook vegetables.

Still find some of that down here in the south…. boil it for a good long time, maybe toss in a hunk of bacon. It’s like the thought process is that there shouldn’t be any GREEN left in GREEN VEGGIES.

RBS

56 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 1:00:06pm
57 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 1:00:29pm

I haven’t seen this quote from Thamas before. Was is part of the Citizen’s united ruling?
Mozilla’s Brendan Eich and gay marriage: Intolerance over tolerance?

The resignation of Eich, notes the Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto, ties back to the Supreme Court arguments over the Citizens United case, where the court ruled that political donations are protected speech under the First Amendment.

But Justice Clarence Thomas argued against allowing the disclosure of the names of private donors. Thomas pointed out how gay rights supporters used disclosure laws to create maps showing homes and businesses of those who supported the referendum. Some of those supporters were then targeted for protests, with several having to close businesses.

“The success of such intimidation tactics has apparently spawned a cottage industry that uses forcibly disclosed donor information to pre-empt citizens’ exercise of their First Amendment rights,” Justice Thomas wrote.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 5, 2014 1:02:12pm
59 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 5, 2014 1:02:39pm
60 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:03:12pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

You must know that quoting Thomas and/or Taranto on social issues and expecting anyone to take this seriously is much like expecting a fine dining experience from sifting out the solid chunks in a main metropolitan sewer line.

61 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 1:03:36pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Does realizing that you’re aligned with Clarence Thomas on this issue give you the slightest moment’s pause?

62 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 1:04:17pm

Vukmir releases records related to ALEC work

The Madison-based Center for Media and Democracy filed a lawsuit June 6 to obtain records from Vukmir related to last May’s ALEC meeting in Oklahoma City.

In one email, Christie Herrera, vice president of policy for the Florida-based Foundation for Government Accountability, a conservative think tank with a registered lobbyist, wrote to Vukmir and three other legislators from other states. Herrera thanked them for sponsoring a resolution opposing the expansion of state Medicaid programs under the Affordable Care Act and coaching them on what to say.

“Each of you will need to introduce the bill,” Herrera wrote. “As such I have written opening remarks that are also attached to this email. ALEC had a (ridiculous) concern that the task force debate would be ‘one-sided,’ so I have focused each of your remarks on addressing at least one pro-expansion talking point.”

63 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 1:05:36pm
64 klys  Apr 5, 2014 1:05:56pm

re: #53 CuriousLurker

I don’t know if you were trying to be funny or clever, but appropriating Jim Crow laws as being in any way similar to your current pet peeve over supposed progressive intolerance is total bullshit. You sound just like the idiot wingnuts who scream about Nazis and being made to ride at the back of the bus.

This was the reality of what you’re referencing—grow the fuck up:

A “colored” drinking fountain in a streetcar terminal in Oklahoma City, 1939.

I’m pretty sure I’ve heard about ‘camps’ parents can send their gay children to, in order to re-educate them.

I’m pretty sure I’ve never, ever heard about it in reverse.

Strange, that.

65 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:06:53pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

On the substance of Thomas’ stupid argument, the whole point of protected speech is to be public. If donations are to be regarded as speech, then they should at least be public.

On the other hand, I could perhaps live with private donations if all pretense that such donations are speech within the meaning of the first amendment are dropped, and stringent donation limits are put into place.

As always, tools like Thomas want to have it both ways.

67 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 1:08:22pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

You must know that quoting Thomas and/or Taranto on social issues and expecting anyone to take this seriously is much like expecting a fine dining experience from sifting out the solid chunks in a main metropolitan sewer line.

He does sit on the Supreme court, his opinion is as serious as it gets.

68 klys  Apr 5, 2014 1:08:54pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Just a Reminder: The Campaign for Prop 8 Was Unprecedentedly Cruel

But possible oppression of participation in our political system!!!! SLIPPERY SLOPES!!!!

Never mind those people who actually lost civil rights for a time as a result. He supports gay people. He’s told us so.

69 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 1:11:18pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

On the substance of Thomas’ stupid argument, the whole point of protected speech is to be public. If donations are to be regarded as speech, then they should at least be public.

On the other hand, I could perhaps live with private donations if all pretense that such donations are speech within the meaning of the first amendment are dropped, and stringent donation limits are put into place.

As always, tools like Thomas want to have it both ways.

It’s a tough issue, I’m not sure how I feel about it. Wouldn’t free speech protections apply if the speech was public or private? I can’t see why it would make a difference.

70 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:11:40pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

He does sit on the Supreme court, his opinion is as serious as it gets.

The so-cons on the supreme court are a complete fucking joke, and have no moral authority at all. It’s true that they have power because they sit on the court, but their “reasoning” is usually ludicrous. Most supreme court decisions these days are purely political exercises among a group of 4 wingnuts, 4 centrists, and a weathervane.

71 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 1:14:49pm

I have to admit I wasn’t paying very much attention to Prop 8 in 2007/2008. But good lord, those videos are absolutely horrifying. Wish I’d seen them at the time - might have accelerated my departure from the wingnut zone.

72 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:15:48pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

It’s a tough issue, I’m not sure how I feel about it. Wouldn’t free speech protections apply if the speech was public or private? I can’t see why it would make a difference.

For real speech, I think first amendment protection should apply to both public and private speech (although most of the issues in practice will relate to public speech).

Money=speech bullshit is especially bad for secret donations, since that heightens the already compelling analogy this has with bribery and makes it much less like the protected promulgation of political views via open activism and speech.

73 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 5, 2014 1:17:34pm
74 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:18:08pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

I have to admit I wasn’t paying very much attention to Prop 8 in 2007/2008. But good lord, those videos are absolutely horrifying. Wish I’d seen them at the time - might have accelerated my departure from the wingnut zone.

It was particularly galling that Prop 8 passed in CA in the very same election that Obama won in CA by a large margin.

Many in the center and center-left can fall for this family values bullshit hate mongering.

75 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 1:20:55pm

[Comment deleted - Tom Petty guitarist Mike Campbell is alive and well.]

76 CuriousLurker  Apr 5, 2014 1:21:30pm

re: #68 klys

But possible oppression of participation in our political system!!!! SLIPPERY SLOPES!!!!

Never mind those people who actually lost civil rights for a time as a result. He supports gay people. He’s told us so.

Seems like performance art. I wonder who the audience is?

Anyway, I’ve already seen this show numerous times, so I’m not gonna stick around for this afternoon’s. I think I’ll go test out my new Gelli plate.

Later, lizards.

77 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 1:23:47pm

Reminds me of the phony victimization that billionaires are using to compare themselves to persecuted Jews.

78 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 1:24:50pm

re: #72 EPR-radar

Money=speech bullshit is especially bad for secret donations, since that heightens the already compelling analogy this has with bribery and makes it much less like the protected promulgation of political views via open activism and speech.

Yeah, that’s what I’m struggling with; Protections for citizens engaging in political activity vs. transparency in large donations influencing the democratic process. I’m still leaning towards more transparency but recent developments give me pause about the potential for activists to use the information to hound political opponents.

79 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 1:25:29pm

Been out there a while, but worth viewing again. So entertaining!

Dog and owner dance to Grease song “Your’e the One That I Want.”
Youtube Video

80 Varek Raith  Apr 5, 2014 1:28:41pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that’s what I’m struggling with; Protections for citizens engaging in political activity vs. transparency in large donations influencing the democratic process. I’m still leaning towards more transparency but recent developments give me pause about the potential for activists to use the information to hound political opponents.

Bigots should be hounded.

81 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 1:28:45pm

The Clarence Thomas quote with analysis
Tax-Exempt Organizations and Constitutional Law

82 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 1:29:15pm

The title is “Some stuff just doesn’t like being shot at. ” Actually, I don’t think much of anything likes being shot at. I certainly don’t, but it’s fun to see a tree get revenge on a couple of armed doofi.

Youtube Video

83 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:29:46pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that’s what I’m struggling with; Protections for citizens engaging in political activity vs. transparency in large donations influencing the democratic process. I’m still leaning towards more transparency but recent developments give me pause about the potential for activists to use the information to hound political opponents.

Why do you invariably seem to oppose any political activity that could make the rich and/or powerful uncomfortable?

Do you honestly believe that activism should be limited to nothing more than polite letters to newspaper editors and elected officials? If so, do you think that any real progress is going to happen with such limited tactics?

84 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 1:29:48pm

Yes the GOP forced the release of all those who signed the Scott Walker recall petition along with their personal information. And are enforcing exclusion from political activity based on who signed it.

Scott Walker pulls student’s regents appointment over recall petition

A University of Wisconsin-Platteville engineering student anticipating a new seat on the UW System’s Board of Regents was renounced at the eleventh hour by Gov. Scott Walker, who withdrew the young man’s appointment after finding out he had signed a petition as an 18-year-old freshman calling for the governor’s recall.

Joshua Inglett, who finished his sophomore year last month, said an aide to Walker asked him Wednesday evening whether he had signed the recall petition. He told him he had, and within hours another Walker aide left him a voice mail that made it clear to Inglett he wouldn’t get the position.

85 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 1:30:01pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

Bigots should be hounded.

Yes, that’s a popular sentiment and why I’m rethinking some of my positions.

86 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 1:30:26pm

more dog dancing
Youtube Video

87 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 1:30:29pm

That right-wing hipster douchebag in that ad has nothing on Killgore. Unironic fanboyism for Clarence Thomas. Yowza.

That other libertarian dude—not the cool one, storm-something, but Rogue—also had Clarence Thomas as a favorite. Must be a libertarian thing.

88 TedStriker  Apr 5, 2014 1:34:18pm

re: #84 Amory Blaine

Yes the GOP forced the release of all those who signed the Scott Walker recall petition along with their personal information. And are enforcing exclusion from political activity based on who signed it.

Scott Walker pulls student’s regents appointment over recall petition

Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin, partisan douchebag.

89 klys  Apr 5, 2014 1:34:52pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

Bigots should be hounded.

Well, to be fair, I don’t advocate hounding them if they aren’t trying to implement their bigoted beliefs in our government. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs, as long as those beliefs don’t impact someone else.

Legislating bigoted beliefs - you know, like Prop 8 was doing - that’s a completely different thing, and deserving of consequences.

Once again: we are talking about restrictions on the civil rights of your fellow citizens. Not whether the Capitol should be white or eggshell.

90 Varek Raith  Apr 5, 2014 1:36:55pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

re: #89 klys

I hear ya. I’ve just run out of patience with the ‘tolerate my intolerance!’ bullshit.
Sorry.

91 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:41:51pm

re: #89 klys

Well, to be fair, I don’t advocate hounding them if they aren’t trying to implement their bigoted beliefs in our government. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs, as long as those beliefs don’t impact someone else.

Legislating bigoted beliefs - you know, like Prop 8 was doing - that’s a completely different thing, and deserving of consequences.

Once again: we are talking about restrictions on the civil rights of your fellow citizens. Not whether the Capitol should be white or eggshell.

In my mind, there is a fairly large difference between someone who merely voted for Prop 8 and someone who contributed to the pro Prop-8 campaign.

Contributing to the pro Prop-8 campaign necessarily entails the financing of hateful anti-gay propaganda. Voting for Prop 8, while hardly admirable, is a lesser offense.

This is another reason why the deliberate conflation of voter and donors in this whole MBF exercise grows tiresome.

92 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:44:25pm

re: #88 TedStriker

Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin, partisan douchebag.

Walker has every right to use public records (assuming petition signatures in WI are public records) to further his cause of being a partisan douchebag.

Let the voters of WI see what Walker is up to.

93 klys  Apr 5, 2014 1:44:47pm

re: #91 EPR-radar

In my mind, there is a fairly large difference between someone who merely voted for Prop 8 and someone who contributed to the pro Prop-8 campaign.

Contributing to the pro Prop-8 campaign necessarily entails the financing of hateful anti-gay propaganda. Voting for Prop 8, while hardly admirable, is a lesser offense.

This is another reason why the deliberate conflation of voter and donors in this whole MBF exercise grows tiresome.

Pretty much.

If you believe strongly enough about something to put your money towards it, you should be willing to deal with the potential consequences that come from that.

Which also points out that voting for something is an inherently private act. No one knows how you voted unless you tell them.

94 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 1:45:11pm

I’m glad I jumped the gun on the 2 Mormons who came to my door yesterday. I didn’t even let them get into their spiel before I told them I wasn’t interested and closed the door. And no, I didn’t “abuse” them with any language.

Cold? Not as cold as this bullshit.

Mormon leader outlines opposition to gay marriage

bigstory.ap.org

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A top Mormon leader reiterated the church’s opposition to gay marriage Saturday during the church’s biannual general conference.

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ stance on homosexuality has softened in recent years, but this marks the second consecutive conference in which leaders took time to emphasize the faith’s insistence that marriage should be limited to unions between a man and a woman, as God created.

(snip)

During the first of five sessions held over the weekend, LDS leaders on Saturday also encouraged missionaries to stay strong amid the inevitable personal abuse they will encounter and parents to shelter their children from the damaging effects of pornography.”

95 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 1:46:43pm

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

I usually don’t answer the front door unless I’m expecting someone. When I see religious tracts left by thwarted Jehovah’s Witnesses etc., it always brightens my day.

96 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 1:47:59pm

Laser focus on jobs.

6th District GOP makes case for state’s secession rights

At least some Republicans think Wisconsin needs to keep open the option of going it alone.

Last month, one of the state Republican Party’s eight regional caucuses passed a resolution asserting Wisconsin’s right to split from the other 49 states.

Here is the key section from the resolution adopted by the GOP caucus for the state’s 6th Congressional District:

“Be it further resolved that we strongly insist our state representatives work to uphold Wisconsin’s 10th Amendment rights, and our right to secede, passing legislation affirming this to the U.S. Federal Government.”

97 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 1:51:37pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

I was watching the street in my old neighborhood at the beginning of a rain storm years ago. I was shocked (shocked!) at the coons coming up from the sewer. Twilight Zone stuff, it was.

98 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 1:52:57pm

re: #93 klys

Pretty much.

If you believe strongly enough about something to put your money towards it, you should be willing to deal with the potential consequences that come from that.

Which also points out that voting for something is an inherently private act. No one knows how you voted unless you tell them.

And we’re not talking about somebody who plunked down $5 “for the cause,” but a guy who put $1000 towards a hateful campaign that spread lies and disinformation.

99 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 1:53:21pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

I usually don’t answer the front door unless I’m expecting someone. When I see religious tracts left by thwarted Jehovah’s Witnesses etc., it always brightens my day.

I thought it was my landlord; he’s been around for the last couple of days doing minor repairs, and I have no way of knowing who’s knocking (no peep hole and no close window to the door).

100 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 1:53:26pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

I usually don’t answer the front door unless I’m expecting someone. When I see religious tracts left by thwarted Jehovah’s Witnesses etc., it always brightens my day.

People I know and want to visit come to the back door. I don’t pay attention to the front door.

101 A Mom Anon  Apr 5, 2014 1:54:00pm

The first amendment only protects you from the government punishing you, isn’t that correct? If that is the case, then discussions of the first amendment and the rights of CEOs and assorted wealthy asshats to keep their jobs or have public platforms to spew hate are pretty much useless, yes?

Prop 8 was a disgusting piece of legislation, and the campaign leading up to it was just as horrible. Money flooded into California from the Mormons and other right wing religious groups to confuse the issue, prey upon prejudice and fuel hatred.

There is right and there is wrong. If we’re going to call ourselves a democracy then we damned well better accept that means EXPANDING civil rights, not taking them away under some religious bullshit excuse using “family values” and “morals” to hide behind. You don’t tolerate EVERY hateful shitty thing in a free society. That’s not how it works, and people are SUPPOSED to fight back and apply pressure to stop such things. It’s not that hard to grasp.

102 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 1:56:46pm
103 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 1:57:28pm

re: #101 A Mom Anon

My #84 shows how that “protection” is very limited.

104 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 1:57:56pm

re: #100 FemNaziBitch

People I know and want to visit come to the back door. I don’t pay attention to the front door.

My back door is a balcony. : ) Front door, strangely enough, is on the ground level. There are apts like this in hilly places around here. The one underneath me I call the “bat cave” and there is only one entrance. One of its BRs has no windows whatsoever because the backside of the apt is built into the earth. They say they save on elec.

105 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 2:01:13pm

106 klys  Apr 5, 2014 2:02:40pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

And we’re not talking about somebody who plunked down $5 “for the cause,” but a guy who put $1000 towards a hateful campaign that spread lies and disinformation.

Also worth noting, this troutrage drum that’s being incessently beaten (about how public donations threaten a chilling effect on our political process) stands in marked contrast to the comment just days ago that “effects of political spending is overstated anyways.”

107 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 2:04:50pm

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

My back door is a balcony. : ) Front door, strangely enough, is on the ground level. There are apts like this in hilly places around here. The one underneath me I call the “bat cave” and there is only one entrance. One of its BRs has no windows whatsoever because the backside of the apt is built into the earth. They say they save on elec.

Near where my Dad used to live in Southern Ill, there was a “Earth Sheltered” house. The Front was all that was visible, rest was all under earth berms. I did notice that it had a number of skylight structures sticking up through the earth over the top.

I’d imagine it’s very effective in terms of energy efficency, but I’d think it would be a strange not having windows in most of the rooms.

RBS

108 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 2:05:07pm

Snowden is really enjoying his fame infamy.

instagram.com

109 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 2:06:58pm

re: #108 Justanotherhuman

Ha, looks like someone taking a selfie with Snowden on the screen.

110 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 2:07:48pm

Josh Marshall once again puts my position into writing in a way I didn’t think possible.

A Few Thoughts on Brendan Eich

Particularly here:

So is Eich’s departure a good or bad thing?

I would say first that people shouldn’t be run out of their jobs for having heterodox political views or heterodox views in general. That’s something basic to a free society. Not necessarily or really not at all as a matter of law but as a matter of the cultural norms of a free society.

But being a CEO isn’t just any job. And I think it has and should have fewer de facto and de jure rights than your regular run of the mill job. It’s in the essence of being a CEO that you’re the public face, the public representative of the organization or company you run.

It’s a very imperfect analogy but we would all find it unacceptable for a president to reach into the bowels of the civil service or even into his or her administration proper and can someone just because they held some unpopular view. But no one would think anything of it if a president fired a cabinet secretary for almost any reason. An imperfect analogy. But I think there’s a functional parallel.

111 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 2:08:35pm

re: #107 RealityBasedSteve

Near where my Dad used to live in Southern Ill, there was a “Earth Sheltered” house. The Front was all that was visible, rest was all under earth berms. I did notice that it had a number of skylight structures sticking up through the earth over the top.

I’d imagine it’s very effective in terms of energy efficency, but I’d think it would be a strange not having windows in most of the rooms.

RBS

When I was a student at Purdue, parts of the campus were actually underground for energy efficiency. Leave it up to the Engineers …

112 Romantic Heretic  Apr 5, 2014 2:09:39pm

re: #70 EPR-radar

The so-cons on the supreme court are a complete fucking joke, and have no moral authority at all. It’s true that they have power because they sit on the court, but their “reasoning” is usually ludicrous. Most supreme court decisions these days are purely political exercises among a group of 4 wingnuts, 4 centrists, and a weathervane.

Sounds like the US in a nutshell.

113 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 2:09:54pm

Making a lot more progress on the mobile LGF design - editing comments and LGF Pages is now fully adapted to the small screen.

114 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 2:10:27pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Anything need to be installed?

115 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 2:10:37pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Josh Marshall once again puts my position into writing in a way I didn’t think possible.

A Few Thoughts on Brendan Eich

Particularly here:

If it is a legal source of revenue, a CEO has a “moral” duty to pursue it.

Turning away profitable business is not in the best interest of the stockholders or the employees.

116 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 2:11:21pm

re: #114 Amory Blaine

Anything need to be installed?

Nope. It’s all automagic.

117 Lidane  Apr 5, 2014 2:18:24pm

re: #83 EPR-radar

Why do you invariably seem to oppose any political activity that could make the rich and/or powerful uncomfortable?

Do you honestly believe that activism should be limited to nothing more than polite letters to newspaper editors and elected officials? If so, do you think that any real progress is going to happen with such limited tactics?

The irony here is that KT also criticizes POTUS for not being forceful and carpet bombing Crimea and Russia. You know, because a sternly worded letter is ineffective.

118 Lidane  Apr 5, 2014 2:20:41pm

re: #87 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That right-wing hipster douchebag in that ad has nothing on Killgore. Unironic fanboyism for Clarence Thomas. Yowza.

That other libertarian dude—not the cool one, storm-something, but Rogue—also had Clarence Thomas as a favorite. Must be a libertarian thing.

I prefer to think of it as a “Took a few blows to the head” thing. Clarence Thomas is a waste of space on the SCOTUS bench. He writes things that often have nothing to do with the case at hand and which are hopelessly outdated or incoherent.

119 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 2:22:59pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Just a Reminder: The Campaign for Prop 8 Was Unprecedentedly Cruel

From what I recall of the incessant pro-8 radio ads at the time (I don’t watch TV, so I have seen none of the video ads), it seemed like bog standard anti-gay propaganda (i.e., hardly unprecedented).

“The gays are coming for your children and will turn them into depraved monsters by recruiting and molesting them” is the unchanging core message of anti-gay propaganda. All that varies from time to time and place to place is details of presentation.

I still remember my irritation at hearing this crap month after month on the radio with no push back from the anti-8 campaign.

120 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 2:24:34pm

121 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 2:26:38pm

It would be interesting to see the reaction to an ad campaign telling americans that priests are indoctrinating their children for sex. Nonstop ads across all media.

122 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 2:28:44pm

re: #121 Amory Blaine

It would be interesting to see the reaction to an ad campaign telling americans that priests are indoctrinating their children for sex. Nonstop ads across all media.

The deafening bellows of outraged privilege would doubtless reach the galactic core, some 30,000 light years away.

123 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 2:32:03pm

re: #84 Amory Blaine

Yes the GOP forced the release of all those who signed the Scott Walker recall petition along with their personal information. And are enforcing exclusion from political activity based on who signed it.

Scott Walker pulls student’s regents appointment over recall petition

Honestly, that one doesn’t bother me at all. Joshua Inglett put his opposition to Scott Walker in writing, only to have Walker win the recall election and find out about it. Now, Inglett must pay the price for having gone against the governor and lost.

Given the level of calumny and vitriol aimed at him by Wisconsin Democrats, a certain amount of vindictiveness by Gov. Walker is appropriate in my mind. There is such a thing as being too forgiving.

124 Archangelus  Apr 5, 2014 2:32:42pm

In today’s category of “Oh FFS, really??”

Georgia Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

Police in Georgia forced a group of fifth graders to the ground at gunpoint this week as they attempted to build a tree fort in their own neighborhood.

According to 911 records, Henry County Police were called after a neighbor noticed the children “chopping off tree limbs,” an activity she claimed was hurting the environment and creating “tripping hazards.” Police arrived on scene to find 11-year-old Omari Grant and his friends playing in a small patch of trees, prompting at least one officer to reportedly draw his firearm and force the boys to the ground.

“I was thinking that I don’t want to be shot today, so I just listened to what they said,” Grant said.

As the children lay face down, the officer allegedly screamed profanities as he forced them to spread their arms and legs. Grant’s mother, Janice Baptiste, detailed her son’s experience in an interview with WSB-TV.

125 Lidane  Apr 5, 2014 2:33:24pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Just a Reminder: The Campaign for Prop 8 Was Unprecedentedly Cruel

From the article:

Eich wasn’t just a casual opponent of marriage equality. He was a major contributor to the most vitriolic anti-gay campaign in American history, one that set the standard of homophobic propaganda that continues to this day. When we talk about Eich’s anti-gay stance, we aren’t just talking about abstract beliefs. We’re talking about concrete actions that harmed thousands of gay families and informed innumerable gay Americans that they were sinful, corrupted predators.

THIS. SO MUCH.

I’m not gay but many of my friends are. One of my cousins is also gay. I remember how I felt seeing the videos and reading articles about the incessant ad campaigns over Prop 8. It was horrible. Trying to say that Eich was just expressing an opinion is a total whitewash of what he and his fellow financial backers of Prop 8 were paying for. They were supporting a campaign that demonized an entire segment of the population.

Having an open bigot like that as the public face of a company is a bad idea. Period. Full stop. Mozilla was stupid for appointing him CEO, but they at least had enough self-preservation to see that it would bite them in the ass in the long term.

126 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 2:33:56pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Punishment for exercising his constitutionally protected right to sign a legal petition is wrong. Vitriol or not.

127 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 2:38:24pm

re: #126 Amory Blaine

Punishment for exercising his constitutionally protected right to sign a legal petition is wrong. Vitriol or not.

I agree but that’s an unpopular position these days.

128 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 2:39:01pm

So if a federal job is denied to a Tbagger because of a petition he signed, you’re ok with that because of the vitriol displayed towards the POTUS?

129 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 2:39:27pm

Just sent a friend $133.00 to pay the electric bill on his tiny house in Lubbock. The yokel monopoly, Lubbock Power and Light, has the strictest and most draconian payment terms of any public utility I have ever heard of. Payment is due 21 days from the billing date. Service is disconnected 9 days after that. A user can get a 21 day extension if the arrangements are made within a couple of days of the due date. After that it’s lights out.
I saw a story a while back about a layed-off worker in California who was worried because his utilities were 3 months past due. That would not happen in Lubbock because nobody is allowed to get even 1 month behind.
In the meantime, Lubbock ranks 27th from the bottom in average weekly wage ($736.00) among the 300 largest cities in the US.

The Lubbock monopoly profits heavily from “reconnection fees” ($75.00) and a mandatory additional deposit of $130. The latter is not a deposit at all since, by stated policy, it is never returned. Even the similar initial service deposit is never returned, not even to people who move away and end their service voluntarily. It is held in case they ever resume service in Lubbock. They are in fact holding my deposit, even though I had a spotless record for 20 years, then moved away and will not return to that callous grifter infested kleptocracy until they bury me there, in which case even LP&L cannot suppose I will need electric service.

130 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 2:39:58pm

re: #126 Amory Blaine

Punishment for exercising his constitutionally protected right to sign a legal petition is wrong. Vitriol or not.

IMO, this is a bit of a gray area. It’s a bit of a stretch to view a last minute nixing of an appointment to the UW regents board as a “punishment” in this sense.

However, from the article, it appears there might be a clear cause for action since there is apparently a legal requirement that the UW system have no partisan test. Walker’s actions would seem to violate this requirement.

131 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 2:40:34pm

re: #127 Killgore Trout

I agree but that’s an unpopular position these days.

And what is your position? Do you believe that nobody should ever face consequences for supporting or opposing a political campaign or initiative?

132 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 2:40:37pm

re: #126 Amory Blaine

Punishment for exercising his constitutionally protected right to sign a legal petition is wrong. Vitriol or not.

I do not agree. If you sign something saying I should be thrown out on my ass, and then your name comes before me for an appointment, I’m gonna deny you that appointment.

And would you feel the same way if a person had signed a petition to get a proposition banning gay marriage onto a state’s ballot? It would still be a signature on a legal petition, would it not?

133 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 2:40:56pm

Depriving one of public employment based on a recall petition is punishment.

134 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 2:42:27pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

Scott Walker is a Governor of a state. Mozilla is a private institution.

135 Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2014 2:42:34pm

re: #64 klys

I’m pretty sure I’ve heard about ‘camps’ parents can send their gay children to, in order to re-educate them.

I’m pretty sure I’ve never, ever heard about it in reverse.

Strange, that.

Handbell Camp.

136 Floral Giraffe  Apr 5, 2014 2:43:29pm

OK, triple ginger cookies & hot tea for a snack.
Yummy!

137 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 2:45:55pm

re: #134 Amory Blaine

Scott Walker is a Governor of a state. Mozilla is a private institution.

And because of this difference, there may be a clear cut cause of action in the Walker case. E.g., if Walker’s actions amount to a violation of WI state law that the UW system be non-partisan.

138 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 2:49:02pm

re: #14 Kragar

…Religious beliefs are a lifestyle choice.

No one is born religious, but are indoctrinated to think they were by the religious agenda…

I totally agree. (Maybe I should say, after some of my anti-religion comments here at LGF, that I realize religion is not the only form of unbecoming irrationality. I blame Marxism, not religion, for what Putin is doing now.)

You point out that no one is born religious, and it was only a week or so ago I came across Richard Dawkin’s musings on this very topic. He mentioned the Amish in Pennsylvania, where the entire family, including the children, is sheltered from much of the modern world.

Dawkins floated the idea that it’s “elitist” to think that the Amish have every right to, for example, prevent their teenage children from integrating into the outside world. He thought an outsider’s “elitist” viewpoint was that it’s charming to preserve this unique Amish society, a pearl in the tapestry of diversity. This is “elitist” in the sense that it doesn’t give a damn about the poor individual Amish teenager whose life is constrained.

I’m not sure if I would agree or disagree with Dawkins about how must “elitist thinking” is involved here, but it occurred to me that in the very near future, more and more, there will be controversy, and no doubt legal cases, about kids and religion. To what extent can a family decide, for example, that 8-year-old Joseph is a “Christian child”? If it doesn’t make sense, for example, to say that 6-year-old Susan is a “Keynsian child”, then how does it make sense to say that she’s a “Jewish child”?

It seems almost inevitable that soon enough, discussions of this nature will be more and more common. I look forward to this; it will be a fine step against child abuse.

139 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 2:49:57pm

re: #128 Amory Blaine

So if a federal job is denied to a Tbagger because of a petition he signed, you’re ok with that because of the vitriol displayed towards the POTUS?

I believe federal jobs at the civil service level have protections written into law already to guard against this kind of partisan purging. If not, there should be.

At the political appointee level, anything goes.

140 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 2:50:01pm

re: #136 Floral Giraffe

OK, triple ginger cookies & hot tea for a snack.
Yummy!

[Looks up and waves]

zooborns.com

141 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  Apr 5, 2014 2:51:21pm

re: #124 Archangelus

OMG. If that got them this treatment, my actions as a child should have got me an electric chair!

142 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 2:51:33pm

What kind of tea? Earl grey is my fave. Although I do love a dandelion blend. Good for new beginnings.

143 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 2:53:34pm

re: #128 Amory Blaine

So if a federal job is denied to a Tbagger because of a petition he signed, you’re ok with that because of the vitriol displayed towards the POTUS?

If its a Civil Service position, no. Same would go at the state level. But an appointment to the Regent Board is different in my opinion.

144 RadicalModerate  Apr 5, 2014 2:58:44pm

re: #6 Kragar

Most of the people demonizing Gay people say they’re doing it in the name of freedom and decency.

Which only goes to show you how seriously fucked in the head those bastards are.

The argument that they are making is almost word-for-word the same claim that neo-Nazis and other “race realist” groups are currently making decrying “white genocide” as a result of different racial groups coexisting.
I don’t know which group started it first, but there appears to be a pretty significant intermingling of their base, not to mention their messages.

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 5, 2014 2:59:27pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

He’s a petty little child who is destroying Wisconsin - factories leaving weekly, schools being strangled, roads falling apart - all thanks to his incompetent lack of leadership and greed driven majority in the legislature.

He has earned the opposition of every sane resident of Wisconsin.

146 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 2:59:28pm

re: #129 Shiplord Kirel

A while back, I happened to hear a Lubbock city development type discussing the challenges he faced in attracting new business and industry. He said they were doing okay in attracting professionals and executives but faced a real crisis bringing in high skill wage workers (mechanics, electricians, HVAC techs, etc.), especially those whose employers were not paying their moving expenses. Given the low wages, rotten infrastructure in older neighborhoods, and the general robber baron attitude of the place, this should come as no surprise. In my own experience, the lack of really skilled tradespeople was a never ending problem in Lubbock and turned things like car repair or major remodeling into a crap shoot with random incompetence.
As for the big influx of educated professionals, it was my well qualified opinion that many of them were second stringers and other marginal types who would barely hang on in places like LA, Denver, or even Dallas, but who rate major status in a third world enclave like Lubbock.

147 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 5, 2014 3:00:35pm

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Your concern is noted.

148 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 3:00:47pm

re: #101 A Mom Anon

…Prop 8 was a disgusting piece of legislation, and the campaign leading up to it was just as horrible. Money flooded into California from the Mormons and other right wing religious groups to confuse the issue, prey upon prejudice and fuel hatred…

I agree completely. It still offends me to remember seeing those pro-Prop 8 signs on front lawns in California.

From Googling “ohio gay marriage 2004 Kerry”, there’s some controversy about whether Ohio’s anti-gay 2004 ballot initiative cost Kerry the 2004 election. The religious right was riding high for many years with their anti-gay forays. I don’t mind that they’re a little shaken up right now, as the tide is turning.

149 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 3:06:26pm

re: #148 Ming

I agree completely. It still offends me to remember seeing those pro-Prop 8 signs on front lawns in California.

From Googling “ohio gay marriage 2004 Kerry”, there’s some controversy about whether Ohio’s anti-gay 2004 ballot initiative cost Kerry the 2004 election. The religious right was riding high for many years with their anti-gay forays. I don’t mind that they’re a little shaken up right now, as the tide is turning.

Indeed. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the real beef the religious right has with recent US developments on this topic is that they are having less and less luck in the US with their scapegoating of GLBT people.

Given the usual result of successful scapegoating, I feel completely justified in attributing genocidal intent to the US family values hate groups.

150 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 3:07:02pm

A contractor from nearby Weatherford just finished installing a small bathroom/shower combo and a kitchenette in my work shop here at the Conspiracy Compound.
The work took less than a week, there was no mess and no hassle, everything works perfectly, and the cost was modest even though the guy’s employees were paid close to twice what they would get in Lubbock.
Since I also have a rollaway bed in a corner alcove, my daughter claims that I will now live in the workshop and use my house as a museum. I might at that.

151 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 3:07:35pm

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Killgore, I suggest to you as someone who has defended you over the years, to dial the contrarianism back a ways. You’ve ticked off a lot of people and you’ve got most of the bottom comments over the past two weeks. I sometimes have a comment in the bottom 10, but with you its at least 4 such comments every day.

152 Dr Lizardo  Apr 5, 2014 3:07:47pm

re: #148 Ming

I agree completely. It still offends me to remember seeing those pro-Prop 8 signs on front lawns in California.

From Googling “ohio gay marriage 2004 Kerry”, there’s some controversy about whether Ohio’s anti-gay 2004 ballot initiative cost Kerry the 2004 election. The religious right was riding high for many years with their anti-gay forays. I don’t mind that they’re a little shaken up right now, as the tide is turning.

The tide has turned with breathtaking speed, which also accounts for the religious right being as shook up as they are. In the span of a decade, public opinion has- by and large - swung against the RR, and I definitely get the feeling they never saw it coming.

153 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 3:08:39pm

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

Killgore, I suggest to you as someone who has defended you over the years, to dial the contrarianism back a ways. You’ve ticked off a lot of people and you’ve got most of the bottom comments over the past two weeks. I sometimes have a comment in the bottom 10, but with you its at least 4 such comment every day.

Not the first time that Killgore has made the bottom comments list his own for days at a stretch.

154 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 3:09:44pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

Here in Milwaukee there is a moratorium on power disconnects for the winter. Come April 15 the moratoriums end and power gets cut off all over the place because of non payment. People then get creative.

155 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 3:09:52pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

A contractor from nearby Weatherford just finished installing a small bathroom/shower combo and a kitchenette in my work shop here at the Conspiracy Compound.
The work took less than a week, there was no mess and no hassle, everything works perfectly, and the cost was modest even though the guy’s employees were paid close to twice what they would get in Lubbock.
Since I also have a rollaway bed in a corner alcove, my daughter claims that I will now live in the workshop and use my house as a museum. I might at that.

Will you at least be leaving the compound to purchase A Cauldron of Ghosts next week?

156 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:10:04pm

This person is on the intelligence committee?

157 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 3:10:32pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

The tide has turned with breathtaking speed, which also accounts for the religious right being as shook up as they are. In the span of a decade, public opinion has- by and large - swung against the RR, and I definitely get the feeling they never saw it coming.

It is grimly amusing when the RR has its day in court on this topic and has no arguments better than mindless appeal to tradition.

158 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 3:11:01pm

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

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This person is on the intelligence committee?

Did she seriously say “Ft. Wood”?

159 CuriousLurker  Apr 5, 2014 3:11:04pm

Drive-by: I came back to the computer to do some reading and wanted to pass on these Wiki pages as a refresher.

Freedom of Speech

Contents
    1 The right to freedom of speech and expression
        1.1 Relationship to other rights
    2 Origins
    3 Dissent and truth
    4 Democracy
    5 Social interaction and community
    6 Limitations
    7 The Internet and Information Society
        7.1 Freedom of information
        7.2 Internet censorship
    8 See also
    9 References
    10 Further reading
    11 External links

Note that the first photo is a Muslim guy at the Speakers’ Corner in Hyde Park in London. I can’t be 100% certain, but I’ll go out on a limb and guess he’s probably an Islamist with unpopular ideas. The reason I’m pointing that out is because anonymity in both private & public political speech and/or donations could end up being a real problem—our constitution won’t allow for saying, “Okay, all Americans are granted this freedom except Muslim Americans.”

Anyway, I also checked out the page on anonymity and ended up reading about the following Supreme Court case and those that followed it:

McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission, 514 U.S. 334 (1995), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that an Ohio statute that prohibits anonymous political or campaign literature is unconstitutional. Writing for the Court, Justice Stevens asserted that such action is protected by the First Amendment, and therefore violated the constitutional principle of freedom of speech. Justice Scalia dissented, to which Chief Justice Rehnquist joined. Justice Ginsburg also concurred. Justice Thomas wrote what was, for him, a very rare concurrence, but he is known to support free speech. […]

Going back to my artsy stuff now. Later.

160 Floral Giraffe  Apr 5, 2014 3:11:40pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

LOL! Your daughter has got your number!

161 TedStriker  Apr 5, 2014 3:12:23pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

I do not agree. If you sign something saying I should be thrown out on my ass, and then your name comes before me for an appointment, I’m gonna deny you that appointment.

And would you feel the same way if a person had signed a petition to get a proposition banning gay marriage onto a state’s ballot? It would still be a signature on a legal petition, would it not?

Of course, you agree with Walker’s actions in this; I shouldn’t have expected anything less from Mr. GOP-It’s-My-Party-Right-or-Wrong.

162 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 3:12:53pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

A contractor from nearby Weatherford just finished installing a small bathroom/shower combo and a kitchenette in my work shop here at the Conspiracy Compound.
The work took less than a week, there was no mess and no hassle, everything works perfectly, and the cost was modest even though the guy’s employees were paid close to twice what they would get in Lubbock.
Since I also have a rollaway bed in a corner alcove, my daughter claims that I will now live in the workshop and use my house as a museum. I might at that.

And that’s NOT normal behavior, is that what she’s trying to imply?

RBS

163 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 3:14:09pm

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

This is a fun game.

I’m not saying Michelle Bachmann sucks wet farts out of dead pigeons. I’m just saying that we have zero proof that she doesn’t.

164 TedStriker  Apr 5, 2014 3:14:15pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

A contractor from nearby Weatherford just finished installing a small bathroom/shower combo and a kitchenette in my work shop here at the Conspiracy Compound.
The work took less than a week, there was no mess and no hassle, everything works perfectly, and the cost was modest even though the guy’s employees were paid close to twice what they would get in Lubbock.
Since I also have a rollaway bed in a corner alcove, my daughter claims that I will now live in the workshop and use my house as a museum. I might at that.

Hey, something like that worked for Dr. Emmett Brown…

/

165 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 3:14:58pm

Just got back from Captain America. Pretty good movie. I enjoyed it immensely, as did the wife and kids.

166 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:15:05pm
167 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 3:16:20pm

re: #126 Amory Blaine

Punishment for exercising his constitutionally protected right to sign a legal petition is wrong. Vitriol or not.

re: #127 Killgore Trout

In a case like this, it makes every difference in the world to be more specific about what’s meant by “punishment”.

Are we talking about punishing a gay couple by not allowing them to purchase gas in a gas station? Punishing someone who’s wearing a crucifix by not granting her a home mortgage at a large major bank? Punishing an employee by carving specific limitations into her medical insurance?

I strongly feel that “punishments” like this undermine the entire capitalist system. Companies and consumers, buyer and sellers, employers and employees, need a level, non-political, low-friction, efficient playing field. (I’ve never been a “true follower” of Ayn Rand, or even a “strong admirer” of hers, but I can imagine her saying something like “if you want to kill capitalism, start carving out thousands of little exceptions to the rules.”)

Now if “punishment” means not serving on a university Board of Regents, or not continuing as CEO of a major corporation, or not getting my vote in the next election, or not getting a promotion, or not being invited to dinner in my home, that’s a different thing entirely. Grownups should not be shocked by consequences such as this.

168 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 3:16:29pm

re: #165 Kragar

Just got back from Captain America. Pretty good movie. I enjoyed it immensely, as did the wife and kids.

Did it reset the Marvel movieverse, as some have said it will?

169 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 3:18:51pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

Did it reset the Marvel movieverse, as some have said it will?

It had some major implications for the Marvelverse, but doesn’t reset the whole thing. I actually think they did it really well.

I actually might try watching Agents of Shield again to see how they deal with it.

170 sauceruney  Apr 5, 2014 3:20:12pm

re: #5 TedStriker

There’s plenty of people who suffer economic sanctions in countries we sanction who are on the correct side philosophically. I don’t see why sanctioning States should be out of the question.

171 Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2014 3:20:22pm
172 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 3:20:24pm

I wasn’t sure if I was going to like the Falcon, but he ended up being my favorite character in the movie.

173 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:20:33pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

Did she seriously say “Ft. Wood”?

teehee

my googlefu seems to be broken. I can’t even find the clip featuring Bachmann. Bob Scales, yes.

174 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:22:05pm

re: #163 EPR-radar

This is a fun game.

I’m not saying Michelle Bachmann sucks wet farts out of dead pigeons. I’m just saying that we have zero proof that she doesn’t.

And what logical fallacy is being used in this case?

175 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:22:53pm

World’s Largest Talking Cow?

176 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 3:23:45pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

Ha ha demon bunnies!!

177 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 3:24:36pm

What is the code for spoilers again?

178 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 3:25:06pm

re: #175 FemNaziBitch

I thought Limbaugh held that distinction.
//

179 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 3:25:46pm

re: #177 Kragar

What is the code for spoilers again?

[ spoiler] [/ spoiler]

180 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:25:48pm

I love this picture.

181 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:26:18pm

re: #178 Amory Blaine

I thought Limbaugh held that distinction.
//

Naw, He is all bull.

182 sauceruney  Apr 5, 2014 3:26:35pm

re: #10 Kragar

Okay. I was being harsh. I admit it.

183 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 3:26:37pm

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

What if you’re a Republican, but you know that every word Michelle Bachmann says is full of shit, including ‘and’ and ‘the’?

184 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 3:27:06pm

OK, for those of you who want a major hint without giving away the whole thing:

HAIL HYDRA!

185 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 3:27:42pm

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

A while back, I happened to hear a Lubbock city development type discussing the challenges he faced in attracting new business and industry. He said they were doing okay in attracting professionals and executives but faced a real crisis bringing in high skill wage workers (mechanics, electricians, HVAC techs, etc.), especially those whose employers were not paying their moving expenses. Given the low wages, rotten infrastructure in older neighborhoods, and the general robber baron attitude of the place, this should come as no surprise. In my own experience, the lack of really skilled tradespeople was a never ending problem in Lubbock and turned things like car repair or major remodeling into a crap shoot with random incompetence.
As for the big influx of educated professionals, it was my well qualified opinion that many of them were second stringers and other marginal types who would barely hang on in places like LA, Denver, or even Dallas, but who rate major status in a third world enclave like Lubbock.

Wow, that sounds so much like this county. My granddaughter & husband are moving into a house his father owns and the electric co wants $450 deposit. Now, with so many people out of work around over the past 10 or so yrs, and with not much other than retail and fast food work, the utilities now have a feature that you can pay an amount in advance and “use it up” at which time you have to pay some more, or it’s lights out. There is Duke Energy but also a couple of rural co-ops around here and they all have the same feature. There is also no trash pickup (you have to pay a commercial hauler), no water & sewer lines in most of the county (people use wells and cisterns), and no street lights. You don’t get a whole lot for your property taxes except license checks, a jail and inferior schools.

186 RadicalModerate  Apr 5, 2014 3:28:16pm

re: #181 FemNaziBitch

Naw, He is all bull.

And what he’s spreading comes out of the bovine’s other end.

187 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 3:28:17pm

re: #178 Amory Blaine

I thought Limbaugh held that distinction.
//

For that to properly represent Limbaugh, they’d need to show the back end of the animal speaking.

188 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 3:28:42pm

re: #182 sauceruney

Okay. I was being harsh. I admit it.

We all make mistakes, and the great majority of those here have at some point said something hostile and rash and gotten downdinged for it. The important thing is to admit you were wrong (as you have done) and learn from your mistake. So we’re good.

189 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 3:28:50pm

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

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This person is on the intelligence committee?

As much as I’d like to believe this, I’m not having any luck finding this verified anywhere. Normally Newshounds or RightWingWatch would have been all over this if it was true. I’m very suspicious of this one.

RBS

190 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:31:50pm

re: #189 RealityBasedSteve

As much as I’d like to believe this, I’m not having any luck finding this verified anywhere. Normally Newshounds or RightWingWatch would have been all over this if it was true. I’m very suspicious of this one.

RBS

Sad, when it seems so true. LOL

Thanks for the fact-checking.

191 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 3:33:18pm

re: #190 FemNaziBitch

Not to worry. It won’t be long until something equally stupid is said.

192 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 3:35:09pm

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

Impressive! Michele Bachmann is a philosopher as well as a medical doctor.

193 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:35:22pm
194 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:36:18pm

If I ever knew, I’ve forgotten.

Why do Muslim women of Afganistan wear the sky blue color?

195 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 3:36:31pm

re: #180 FemNaziBitch

re: #193 FemNaziBitch

These are some of the most inspiring pictures I’ve ever seen.

196 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:37:31pm
197 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:38:09pm
198 Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2014 3:38:12pm
199 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:40:48pm

re: #187 EPR-radar

For that to properly represent Limbaugh, they’d need to show the back end of the animal speaking.

That’s an insult to the back end of animals.

200 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:41:38pm

I’m always so relieved to learn that mine isn’t the only mind that works in wonky ways.

201 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 3:43:13pm

re: #193 FemNaziBitch

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I can’t help but feel sad. It’s nice to see people voting but I don’t think Afghanistan is going to be a democracy for much longer. I’m happy to see these people voting today but I can’t help but think their future is grim.

202 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:44:08pm

For me, Feta might be to sharp. Maybe Gorgonzola.

203 Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2014 3:44:21pm

Watching Final Four. Gator Rowdy Reptile shirt on, Gator banner flying from patio. Must distract with twitter.

204 Lidane  Apr 5, 2014 3:45:54pm

re: #184 Kragar

Ooh. Sounds interesting! I’m going to see it tomorrow. Can’t wait.

205 sauceruney  Apr 5, 2014 3:46:34pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes I think like I’m 20 instead of 47, and I’m not awake enough to keep my mouth shut.

206 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 3:47:48pm

Woohoo! The LGF Pages posting window is now mobile phone-friendly!

207 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 3:50:35pm

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

And what logical fallacy is being used in this case?

Giving the burden of proof to the wrong party in the argument seems to be the closest match.

This apparent forgery is plausible precisely because wingnuts are so fond of spouting bullshit and demanding proof that it is wrong when challenged instead of giving evidence in its favor.

E.g., Birtherism.

208 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:51:37pm
209 Archangelus  Apr 5, 2014 3:52:06pm

re: #169 Kragar

It had some major implications for the Marvelverse, but doesn’t reset the whole thing. I actually think they did it really well.

I actually might try watching Agents of Shield again to see how they deal with it.

Aye, no reset but certainly sets quite a few big changes in motion. Was surprised how good i found it, perhaps one of Marvel’s best to date.

As to the Agents of Shield TV show - which i have to say has improved massively in the past few episodes - it ties into the movie in a big way. Last week’s episode basically started just before the events that unfold in the movie take place and ended as key events happened in the movie, and the next episode this week apparently plays directly into the big events of the movie’s end and how they affect SHIELD and the team on the show.

210 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:52:42pm

re: #207 EPR-radar

Giving the burden of proof to the wrong party in the argument seems to be the closest match.

This apparent forgery is plausible precisely because wingnuts are so fond of spouting bullshit and demanding proof that it is wrong when challenged instead of giving evidence in its favor.

E.g., Birtherism.

It seemed plausible to me because Bachmann never seems to understand anything that comes out of her mouth.

211 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:53:38pm
212 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:55:28pm
213 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:56:33pm
214 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:57:32pm
215 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:59:38pm
216 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 3:59:47pm

Ok, I’ll stop.

217 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 4:00:07pm

re: #214 FemNaziBitch

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Is it just me, or do Giraffes always look like they are about 3/4 buzzed?

RBS

218 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 4:00:16pm

re: #212 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

“We need armed guards in every school!”
“Ft. Hood has armed guards and they didn’t stop this shooter.”
“That just means we need soldiers to carry their own guns!”
“Like the one who shot and killed 3 other soldiers and wounded over a dozen more?”
“But they might have stopped him!”
“Yeah, and I might win the lottery tomorrow.”

219 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 4:01:23pm

OK, I wish this story had given some background on the “other scholarship programs” the lottery funds that Dems were talking about.

Why would anyone disapprove of this? In NC, the lottery is called the “NC Education Lottery” but I’ve never been able to figure out just how the money is spent and why we don’t have such a program as proposed by TN. This would cost close to $34M/yr, not even close to what TN has from the lottery.

Tennessee close to approving free community college for all high school grads

news.yahoo.com

OTOH…

Haslam drops raises for teachers, state workers

tennessean.com

Use some of that lottery money, at least on the teachers, who are the roots of education.

220 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 4:03:14pm

re: #202 FemNaziBitch

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For me, Feta might be to sharp. Maybe Gorgonzola.

Oooh, I sprinkle crumbled feta or blue cheese on all my salads. : )

221 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 4:03:47pm

re: #217 RealityBasedSteve

Is it just me, or do Giraffes always look like they are about 3/4 buzzed?

RBS

It’s the long eyelashes.

:)

222 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 4:08:14pm

bbl

223 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 4:08:28pm

Here’s an analogy I hadn’t seen before

Fanaticism on both sides of gay-rights issue

The gay-rights side — the side I’m on — has just about won. But now we’re starting to act as intolerant as what we defeated.

When the Boy Scouts ousted a Seattle troop leader last week because he told a news crew he was gay, his troop rightly noted that to them, his sexuality was irrelevant. He was doing a good job.

“This is a nonissue here. We’ve gotten no complaints from parents,” said the head of the church that had asked him to be the troop leader.

So the real reason the national scouting organization moved to get rid of him was image. We don’t condone this, so we can’t be associated with it. No offense.

It’s an outrage that a person can be purged not for anything to do with his job, but simply because of who he is.

Except that also last week, a Silicon Valley technology firm, Mozilla, buckled to public pressure and ousted its new CEO, Brendan Eich, when it was revealed he had given $1,000 to Proposition 8 opposing gay marriage six years ago.

Officially he resigned, but you can be sure he was told to go. There was no evidence his views against legalizing gay marriage had any effect on his various jobs at the company, including in his treatment of gay co-workers. (He’d been there since the 1990s.)

So this was also a decision about image. Mozilla decided that a marriage traditionalist, a one-man, one-woman devotee, made the company look archaic or bigoted. So he was purged.

I realize these cases have differences — in the facts and in all the history that came before. But they are not that different in sensibility. One was hounded out for who he is, the other for what he believes.

What happened to live and let live?

224 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 4:09:48pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

So this was also a decision about image. Mozilla decided that a marriage traditionalist, a one-man, one-woman devotee, made the company look archaic or bigoted. So he was purged.

No, that’s not what happened.

What a shitty article.

225 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 4:10:40pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Eich wasn’t “purged”. He simply resigned when the shit hit the fan and the publicity became too much.

226 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 4:11:05pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

You know, if gays were trying to prevent straight people from getting married, the issue might be balanced. It’s obviously not.

227 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 4:11:17pm

re: #225 Justanotherhuman

Eich wasn’t “purged”. He simply resigned when the shit hit the fan and the publicity became too much.

And the reason wasn’t “He made the company look bigoted”.

228 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 4:11:18pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

One was hounded out for who he is, the other for what he believes.

What happened to live and let live?

Seems to be missing a few key things.

Again.

229 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 4:13:11pm

re: #226 jaunte

You know, if gays were trying to prevent straight people from getting married, the issue might be balanced. It’s obviously not.

You might not like it but I think it’s important to realize that not all supporters of gay marriage support the tactics of targeting opponent’s jobs. It makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

230 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 4:13:59pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Here’s an analogy I hadn’t seen before

Fanaticism on both sides of gay-rights issue

The gay-rights side — the side I’m on — has just about won. But now we’re starting to act as intolerant as what we defeated.

The MBF really should go on strike, she’s not getting paid enough for how hard you’re working her.

231 CuriousLurker  Apr 5, 2014 4:14:22pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

232 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 4:15:12pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

You might not like it but I think it’s important to realize that not all supporters of gay marriage support the tactics of targeting opponent’s jobs. It makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

The tactics of painting gay people as perverts and child molesters might have had an effect on some people’s jobs too, don’t you think?

233 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 4:15:18pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

You might not like it but I think it’s important to realize that not all supporters of gay marriage support the tactics of targeting opponent’s jobs. It makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

Did you think people felt overly comfortable when civil rights marchers were hit with water cannons or savaged by police dogs?

234 Floral Giraffe  Apr 5, 2014 4:17:10pm

re: #214 FemNaziBitch

Oh, shit, caught with my mouth full!

235 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 4:17:56pm

236 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 4:19:31pm

Eich had ample opportunity to explain his donation, explain his personal views and why he held them. For all I know, his view was like mine in ‘08, opposed to gay marriage but willing to support civil unions, ignorant of how that smacked of “separate of equal.” But he could also be a raging bigot who keeps it well hidden. The people who use Mozilla’s products and work for it or with it deserve to know what the guy at the top’s personal views are. If he is unwilling to share them, then most folks are going to automatically assume the worst of his donation.

237 CuriousLurker  Apr 5, 2014 4:20:02pm

re: #235 Amory Blaine

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Gosh, I sure hope no one treated those folks with intolerance for expressing their opnions. //

238 Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2014 4:21:44pm

re: #208 FemNaziBitch

21 Signs Our National Kale Obsession Is Out Of Control

First time last week I made a salad of kale, radicchio, and fennel with sea salt, balsamic vinegar and olive oil. Then I put it in the center of the grill for 4 minutes. A bit of kale fell out of the basket and i grabbed it and chomped it—it was a real, good, shock. The rest went into a bowl with mandarin orange sections and sugar-roasted pecans.

239 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 4:24:01pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

First time last week I made a salad of kale, radicchio, and fennel with sea salt, balsamic vinegar and olive oil. Then I put it in the center of the grill for 4 minutes. A bit of kale fell out of the basket and i grabbed it and chomped it—it was a real, good, shock. The rest went into a bowl with mandarin orange sections and sugar-roasted pecans.

It’s really easy to grow in the garden too.

240 Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2014 4:26:07pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

It’s really easy to grow in the garden too.

Something is killing my garden. This year I’m growing a couple dozen test batches in containers, will expand to half-drums next year if it works well. I need a small crane.

241 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 4:26:17pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

You might not like it but I think it’s important to realize that not all supporters of gay marriage support the tactics of targeting opponent’s jobs. It makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

Look, Mozilla faced the possibility of losing talent if the bigoted Eich remained CEO. How would it look if he started making recommendations like ditching benefits for same sex couples, hiring fewer non-hetero people, etc?

Mozilla isn’t like a “normal” tech company, it’s open source, wants to attract top talent, and be as innovative and creative as possible and can’t afford to have a reputation as a place where some aren’t welcomed.

Eich was the freaking CEO and as such had a lot of say in day to day operations, policy, etc. You can’t have someone like him over people he has no use for and whose rights he doesn’t believe in.

I just can’t believe he got the job in the first place if his beliefs were already known by those who promoted him.

242 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 4:28:54pm

I wish Firefox would fix their memory leaks. I miss my mouse gestures.

*sniffle

243 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 4:30:40pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

re: #176 Amory Blaine

Ha ha demon bunnies!!

Beware!

Youtube Video

Scary (?) bunnies and a star cast that included Rory Calhoun, Janet Leigh, and DeForest Kelley.

I’d like to see a remake with feral hogs. Make them just twice actual size for the sake of plausibility and have a horde of, say, 2 million of them overrunning some place like Lubbock or Midland.

244 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 4:31:33pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

You might not like it but I think it’s important to realize that not all supporters of gay marriage support the tactics of targeting opponent’s jobs. It makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

Again: CEO.

245 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 4:32:19pm

Janet Leigh, Jamie Lee Curtis’ mom. Hubba hubba.

246 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 4:35:44pm

re: #241 Justanotherhuman

I just can’t believe he got the job in the first place if his beliefs were already known by those who promoted him.

It wasn’t a secret. The board knew about his politics but decided he was the best pick for the job anyways.

247 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 4:36:43pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

It wasn’t a secret. The board knew about his politics but decided he was the best pick for the job anyways.

And then they decided he wasn’t the best pick.

Yet that second decision outrages you.

248 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 4:38:50pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

It wasn’t a secret. The board knew about his politics but decided he was the best pick for the job anyways.

Which in no way makes you question the board’s decision? Its acceptance of his views, knowing he will be the head of the company and thus its face?

249 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 4:41:38pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

Which in no way makes you question the board’s decision? Its acceptance of his views, knowing he will be the head of the company and thus its face?

He’s supposedly very talented at what he does.

250 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 4:42:18pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

According to this, the Boy Scouts of America receives taxpayer support.

If the Boy Scouts of America wants to say, “We’re like the Ku Klux Klan; we receive no government support, and we choose to discriminate in such-and-such a way”, I can live with that.

But apparently, that’s not what’s happening.

251 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 4:44:09pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

He’s supposedly very talented at what he does.

At what he does? I’m sure he’s an excellent programmer, but as a manager, as a public relations guy, his performance since being appointed to the chair left a lot to be desired.

252 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 4:46:04pm

253 Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2014 4:46:28pm

You want a good blog? You totally ignore the troll.

254 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 4:47:22pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

He’s supposedly very talented at what he does.

If he had been good at what he did, he would have disavowed the donation, said that he’d changed, and then moved on.

255 Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2014 4:47:39pm

Be strong Lizards.

No fuel, no life.

256 goddamnedfrank  Apr 5, 2014 4:48:44pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

You might not like it but I think it’s important to realize that not all supporters of gay marriage support the tactics of targeting opponent’s jobs. It makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

You say “important to realize” like it’s not obvious. Everyone gets that gay marriage supporters aren’t a monolithic group. There are plenty of self identified gay marriage supporters that continue to condone bigotry by voting for Republicans due to tax policy or other generally fucked up reasons.

Let’s say Mozilla or HP’s board hired David Duke to be CEO, assuming David Duke was some kind of tech genius. Would it make you uncomfortable if civil rights activists boycotted a company for putting a well known and unrepentant racist in charge? Or do you just think it’s the contemporary nature of a controversy that should insulate certain bigots from their particular brand of bigotry? Like society is in flux so it should cut some slack for the unfortunate fuckwits who refuse to get on board.

Because there’s nothing else particularly compelling to separate out anti gay bigotry from slavery, racism, sexism, etc. All these bigotries have found support in the Bible and the earnest, fervent exercise of religion.

257 Lidane  Apr 5, 2014 4:52:09pm

re: #231 CuriousLurker

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Better nuke it from orbit, just to be sure.

258 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 4:53:55pm
259 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 5:00:46pm

re: #251 Targetpractice

At what he does? I’m sure he’s an excellent programmer, but as a manager, as a public relations guy, his performance since being appointed to the chair left a lot to be desired.

Speaking of public relations, the decision to remove Eich as CEO may have had more to do with business, and less to do with political viewpoints, than many of us have been assuming. I’m thinking of what OK Cupid did, encouraging Firefox users to access their site with another browser. I wouldn’t be surprised if this caused a panic among the Mozilla Board of Directors. Can you imagine trying to hold your own in the “browser wars”, if additional web sites were to do what OK Cupid did? It’s not like Chrome is sitting still. The Board of Directors may have felt they had no choice but to remove Mr. Eich.

260 aagcobb  Apr 5, 2014 5:00:49pm

Just saw Captain America this afternoon.

<<SPOILER ALERT>>

Its like the darkest conspiracy fantasies of the dudebro-wingnut convergence coming true, with the secret nazis hidden in the government using all of the intelligence collected on Americans to determine which ones needed to be killed to because they loved freedom too much to accept the imposition of order. The heroes even release all of the countries national security secrets to the world.

261 aagcobb  Apr 5, 2014 5:01:42pm

re: #259 Ming

The decision to remove Eich as CEO may have had more to do with business, and less to do with political viewpoints, than many of us have been assuming. I’m thinking of what OK Cupid did, encouraging Firefox users to access their site with another browser. I wouldn’t be surprised if this caused a panic among the Mozilla Board of Directors. Can you imagine trying to hold your own in the “browser wars”, if additional web sites were to do what OK Cupid did? It’s not like Chrome is sitting still. The Board of Directors may have felt they had no choice but to remove Mr. Eich.

His choice was very controversial from the get-go. A couple of directors resigned over his choice as CEO.

262 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 5:03:46pm

Crazy eyes…

6-year-old boy in drowning case against mom dies

bigstory.ap.org

Awful how many cases there are like this any more. Or are we just hearing more about them? The worst thing I heard about personally growing up was the 16 yr old who lived down the street from us in FL (a friend of my sister) whose father had been molesting her since she was 10. He was finally arrested.

And this PA family had had contact with child welfare services.

263 goddamnedfrank  Apr 5, 2014 5:03:55pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

It wasn’t a secret. The board knew about his politics but decided he was the best pick for the job anyways.

Then almost half the board quit and a bunch of employees protested the decision. Not soon after the controversy went viral and Mozilla saw their reputation, goodwill, stock price, and ability to attract and retain talent at stake.

You don’t seem to care that the board’s initial decision turned out to be a bad one, why is that? Instead you’ve decided to lament public opinion’s organic ability to effect change, deliberately conflating every positive and negative example of that into some kind of inchoate circular retardese where free speech is under attack by free speech.

264 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 5:13:19pm

re: #258 RealityBasedSteve

Interracial Marriage

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[Embedded image]Imagine How Stupid..

RBS

Look at that chart. Support for gay marriage is roughly 50-50. How many support the tactic of getting gay marriage opponents fired for their views? I’d guess 25% at best, probably much lower. I know on the internet unquestioning support for the tactic is mandatory but in the real world it’s probably not that popular.

265 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 5:13:55pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

Look at that chart. Support for gay marriage is roughly 50-50. How many support the tactic of getting gay marriage opponents fired for their views?

Again: CEO.

Every time you rephrase it to be about ordinary people getting fired, you look like an idiot.

266 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 5:16:08pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

Then almost half the board quit and a bunch of employees protested the decision.

There were some employees who had issues with the decision but I think the reports of dissent from the board weren’t accurate.

Three Mozilla board members—including former CEOs—step down [Updated]

Update: On Saturday, a Mozilla spokesperson forwarded a statement to Ars: “The three board members ended their terms last week for a variety of reasons. Two had been planning to leave for some time, one since January and one explicitly at the end of the CEO search, regardless of the person selected.” The representative offered no further clarification.

267 calochortus  Apr 5, 2014 5:17:18pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

He’s supposedly very talented at what he does.

We’re still discussing Eich? Really?

OK then, he was very talented at what he did. Then he got a new job and failed in record time.

And I’m done with that topic.

268 Skip Intro  Apr 5, 2014 5:17:54pm

re: #235 Amory Blaine

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That pic looks like a Tea Party rally without the costumes.

269 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 5:18:09pm

re: #259 Ming

Speaking of public relations, the decision to remove Eich as CEO may have had more to do with business, and less to do with political viewpoints, than many of us have been assuming. I’m thinking of what OK Cupid did, encouraging Firefox users to access their site with another browser. I wouldn’t be surprised if this caused a panic among the Mozilla Board of Directors. Can you imagine trying to hold your own in the “browser wars”, if additional web sites were to do what OK Cupid did? It’s not like Chrome is sitting still. The Board of Directors may have felt they had no choice but to remove Mr. Eich.

I think the OK Cupid thing was a factor but technically he stepped down voluntarily, he wasn’t removed.

270 GeneJockey  Apr 5, 2014 5:18:42pm

re: #265 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Again: CEO.

Every time you rephrase it to be about ordinary people getting fired, you look like an idiot.

“Mommy! Teacher says every time a bell rings Killgore sounds like an idiot, an angel gets his wings!”

271 GeneJockey  Apr 5, 2014 5:19:22pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

I think the OK Cupid thing was a factor but technically he stepped down voluntarily, he wasn’t removed.

You’re not really clear on how these things work at the BoD level, are you?

272 bratwurst  Apr 5, 2014 5:23:43pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

I think the OK Cupid thing was a factor

Of course…I mean how many decision in corporate America AREN’T influenced by free dating websites? /

273 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 5:27:39pm

re: #265 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

re: #269 Killgore Trout

I think the OK Cupid thing was a factor but technically he stepped down voluntarily, he wasn’t removed.

Well, however the deed was done, as Obdicut pointed out, “CEO of a major corporation” is a very unusual case.

There are so many gray areas in cases like this. It’s why we have secular laws, which in theory :) are always evolving and improving. Like the saying “hard cases make bad law”, this particular case may be more confusing than it is educational.

Speaking personally, I don’t mind admitting that I enjoy the particular case of Mr. Eich, because it says to some people that contrary to what they believed for a long time, nowadays things are different: if someone displays intolerance towards gays (and, horror of horrors, maybe other minorities), they cannot count on there being no consequences to their actions.

274 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 5, 2014 5:28:29pm

I’m still wondering how the CEO of Whole Foods has kept his job.

275 goddamnedfrank  Apr 5, 2014 5:29:03pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

I think the OK Cupid thing was a factor but technically he stepped down voluntarily, he wasn’t removed.

Then your problem here is what exactly?

If a baker doesn’t want to sell gays a cake that’s freedom but if individuals decide not to use a browser, or display their own content to it, that’s tyranny?

OK.

276 goddamnedfrank  Apr 5, 2014 5:33:24pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

Look at that chart. Support for gay marriage is roughly 50-50.

If 50% of the country thought Jews had horns would that legitimize the belief in any way?

277 GeneJockey  Apr 5, 2014 5:33:25pm

OT, but Malaysia bans’Noah’ film as un-Islamic. Now all those Christianists who panned it will have to write columns defending it.

278 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 5:34:22pm

279 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 5:36:14pm

Socialized medicine = communism = race mixing = homosexual thugs. They’ve set their own pattern.

280 Justanotherhuman  Apr 5, 2014 5:36:20pm

Ukraine threatens to take Russia to court

Ukraine is threatening to take Russia to court over an 81 per cent gas price hike, saying the move is a form of “economic aggression”.

sbs.com.au

“Ukraine has rejected Russia’s latest gas price hike and threatened to take its energy-rich neighbour to arbitration court over a dispute that could imperil deliveries to western Europe.

“Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said on Saturday that Russia’s two rate increases in three days were a form of “economic aggression” aimed at punishing Ukraine’s new leaders for overthrowing a Moscow-backed regime last month.

(snip)

“The decision threatens to further fan a furious diplomatic row between Moscow and the West that has left Kremlin insiders facing sanctions and more diplomatic isolation than at any stage since the 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall.” More

281 calochortus  Apr 5, 2014 5:40:29pm

re: #278 Amory Blaine

‘Cause I always get my financial/health care advice from actors!

282 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 5:41:59pm

Future Frog News:

Today I went to the pond store and brought back ten bullfrog tadpoles, now acclimating to the backyard pond. Maybe this summer I can record some of the swamp noise and post an MP3.

283 goddamnedfrank  Apr 5, 2014 5:41:59pm

How many times during the WoT did we hear about the Pentagon firing gay soldiers, especially Arabic linguists while DADT was in effect? Now that was a real chilling effect, it robbed this country of desperately needed rare talent at a critical moment, and it was carried out by our government due to the political power of bigots to encode their discrimination into law.

In comparison to this I’m supposed to care about Eich’s fuckfaced dumbshittery why exactly?

284 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 5:42:03pm

re: #281 calochortus

‘Cause I always get my financial/health care advice from actors!

It would be unamerican not to.

285 calochortus  Apr 5, 2014 5:43:44pm

re: #282 jaunte

Future Frog News:

Today I went to the pond store and brought back ten bullfrog tadpoles, now acclimating to the backyard pond. Maybe this summer I can record some of the swamp noise and post an MP3.

I trust bullfrogs are native to where you live?

We have a nice crop of Pacific Chorus Frog tadpoles coming along here.

286 calochortus  Apr 5, 2014 5:44:27pm

re: #284 Amory Blaine

It would be unamerican not to.

Well, of course!

287 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 5:44:29pm

re: #285 calochortus

Yes, Houston. The western edge of the great southern swamp.

288 calochortus  Apr 5, 2014 5:45:53pm

re: #287 jaunte

Yes, Houston. The western edge of the great southern swamp.

Should I offer condolences?

289 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 5:46:39pm

re: #288 calochortus

They let me out occasionally. ;-)

290 calochortus  Apr 5, 2014 5:47:28pm

re: #289 jaunte

They let me out occasionally. ;-)

Well, that’s alright then. ;)

291 palomino  Apr 5, 2014 5:48:18pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Here’s an analogy I hadn’t seen before

Fanaticism on both sides of gay-rights issue

The gay-rights side — the side I’m on — has just about won. But now we’re starting to act as intolerant as what we defeated.

That makes as much sense as saying my baseball team has won the game because we’re ahead after 3 innings.

Gay marriage AND civil union are still banned by constitutional amendment in over 20 states. Only one-third of the states actually have SSM. And only a few others have civil unions as the alternative. That’s called progress, NOT winning.

292 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 5, 2014 5:50:19pm

re: #291 palomino

That makes as much sense as saying my baseball team has won the game because we’re ahead after 3 innings.

Gay marriage AND civil union are still banned by constitutional amendment in over 20 states. Only one-third of the states actually have SSM. And only a few others have civil unions as the alternative. That’s called progress, NOT winning.

In 39 states you can be fired for being gay.

293 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 5:52:26pm

re: #291 palomino

Annise Parker was elected Mayor of Houston, but she had to go to California to marry.

294 palomino  Apr 5, 2014 5:54:33pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

You might not like it but I think it’s important to realize that not all supporters of gay marriage support the tactics of targeting opponent’s jobs. It makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

I still have the same question for you as I did yesterday.

Assume it’s 1975 and a large company wants to hire a CEO who was a proponent of segregation and opposed interracial marriage, and had donated to such causes. Would the people who wanted him fired be wrong?

295 palomino  Apr 5, 2014 5:56:37pm

re: #292 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

In 39 states you can be fired for being gay.

Which is an even better example than the ones I gave, especially in terms of proving that gay rights supporters are far from declaring victory.

296 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 5:58:19pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Here’s an analogy I hadn’t seen before

Fanaticism on both sides of gay-rights issue

The gay-rights side — the side I’m on — has just about won. But now we’re starting to act as intolerant as what we defeated.

Wake me up when this oh-so-concerning intolerance of gays against Christians in the US has racked up any noticeable body count or hate crime statistics.

Tell me sob stories about homeless Christian kids prostituting themselves on city streets because they were kicked out of SSM households for being Christian.

These would be reasons number 112,364,846 and 112,364,847 as to why this magical balance fairy exercise is bullshit.

297 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 6:09:52pm

re: #278 Amory Blaine

It depends what one means by “socialized medicine”.

In the 1990’s, as a response against HillaryCare, one Republican position was “hey, our private insurance system is fine, and should be the envy of the world. We can solve all our problems by tweaking insurance regulations to include more millions of Americans, making sure there’s a social safety net for people who really need it. No need for radical change. No need to mess around with the doctor’s side of things, as opposed to the financial side of things.”

Then, in 2003, Mitt Romney did exactly that in Massachusetts. Apparently that worked out very well, and in 2009 and 2010, Romney’s team was even invited to the White House, to advise them in their health-care reform efforts.

Imagine my surprise for the past few years, now that the official right-wing position is that the Affordable Care Act is “socialized medicine”.

Personally, I have mixed feelings about private insurance versus single-payer. But as far as the Affordable Care Act is concerned, I really think it’s thoroughly bipartisan in nature, if not in reputation!

298 Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2014 6:15:27pm

re: #267 calochortus

We’re still discussing Eich? Really?

OK then, he was very talented at what he >did. Then he got a new job and failed in record time.

And I’m done with that topic.

“More Eich than Eich, that’s our motto.”

299 Ryan King  Apr 5, 2014 6:22:56pm

FB Page of Mr Conservative:

Obama Trying To Change The Law To Give Himself Third Term

Rollin Paramount Eliminate him now by any means necessary
Like * Reply * 242 * 11 hrs

Jim Paulson Unfortunately he is simply a puppet for the coup that controls the government like every other president. The Rothschild/Rockefeller controlled Federal Reserve and our membership in the U.N. MUST GO FIRST!!! “There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.” ~~ Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
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Roy Sanderson one shot one kill
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300 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 6:28:16pm

re: #299 Ryan King

FB Page of Mr Conservative:

Obama Trying To Change The Law To Give Himself Third Term

I wonder how they would react if we could convince them Jimmy Carter was seeking a second term? I take it for granted they wouldn’t know that this is legal.

301 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 6:29:38pm

re: #299 Ryan King

FB Page of Mr Conservative:

Obama Trying To Change The Law To Give Himself Third Term

The left will triumph simply because conservatives are so goddamn stupid.

302 Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2014 6:32:52pm

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel

The left will triumph simply because conservatives are so goddamn stupid.

And *POOF*, the page was gone.

303 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 6:39:29pm

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel

The left will triumph simply because conservatives are so goddamn stupid.

I dunno, SK, back in 2004 substantial parts of the left was saying George W. Bush was going reinstate the draft after declaring martial law. Bush did neither thing nor came anywhere near doing so. Don’t take unhinged internet ranting too seriously.

304 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 6:44:45pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

I dunno, SK, back in 2004 substantial parts of the left was saying George W. Bush was going reinstate the draft after declaring martial law. Bush did neither thing nor came anywhere near doing so. Don’t take unhinged internet ranting too seriously.

Hasn’t that been the fear mongering whisper in the dark of the Lunatic Fringe on both ends of the spectrum, the players changing based on who is in office?

305 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 6:45:55pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

And *POOF*, the page was gone.

Well, hopefully somebody got the direct threats of assassination passed along before it went away.

RBS

306 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 6:47:45pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

I dunno, SK, back in 2004 substantial parts of the left was saying George W. Bush was going reinstate the draft after declaring martial law. Bush did neither thing nor came anywhere near doing so. Don’t take unhinged internet ranting too seriously.

There was a lot of daylight between John Kerry and the unhinged BDS moonbats, a lot less between kooks like this Mr. Conservative and what passes for the GOP mainstream. There is no way to quantify this, but see Paul, Rand or any number of other elected tea partiers, or take a look at the John Birch inspired 2012 Lubbock County GOP platform.

307 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 6:50:15pm

We should set up a (smoking) grassroots movement to draft Bill Clinton for a third term. That would really get them going. “He didn’t inhale, and we can’t fail!”

308 sagehen  Apr 5, 2014 7:22:06pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Last night I had fresh brussels sprouts, roasted while still on the stalk. Man, was that ever delicious. I can’t believe I used to hate brussels sprouts as a kid. But when I was a kid, Americans had some weird ideas about how to cook vegetables.

In your late 20’s/early 30’s, the ratios of different kinds of taste buds change drastically. Even if the sprouts had been cooked the exact same way, they wouldn’t have tasted the same when you were a kid. (whatever used to be your favorite sweet dessert when you were 7, you’ll find it repulsive today.)

309 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 5, 2014 9:55:27pm

re: #169 Kragar

The latest ep of Agents of SHIELD ties in nicely with the movie. Though the movie wraps things up, the show hints there may still be trouble afoot.

310 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 5, 2014 10:05:04pm

re: #194 FemNaziBitch

If I ever knew, I’ve forgotten.

Why do Muslim women of Afganistan wear the sky blue color?

I am not sure, either. Perhaps black is associated with something bad, like death, so they wear another color. There are so many kinds of hijab around the world, it’s hard to keep it all straight.

311 lewispryor  Apr 6, 2014 11:42:21am

Anybody else catch this doozy?


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