NPR Tiny Desk Concert: Tom Brosseau

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Some straight-up white people folk music, with a dry North Dakota edge to it, from Tom Brosseau, a true original.

Tom Brosseau possesses one of the most arresting voices in folk music today. Many people who hear him sing, without knowing his name or face, assume the voice belongs to a woman, as he hovers somewhere around the countertenor range, with an unusually pure tone.

The beauty of Brosseau’s voice is magnified in this Tiny Desk Concert by the spare accompaniment of two acoustic guitars. Brosseau is on rhythm, accompanied by Sean Watkins. Watkins, who also plays and sings with Nickel Creek, produced and plays on Brosseau’s new album, Grass Punks.

Brosseau is unabashedly sentimental and earnest. It informs his plainspoken story-songs, which find beauty and light in heartfelt themes of love and yearning. But Brosseau also possesses a wry sense of humor; you can hear as much in “Cradle Your Device,” a playful take-down of modern technology. The next song he performs, “Stuck on the Roof Again,” tells a true story about the octogenarian newspaper columnist Marilyn Hagerty, who got stuck on the roof of her home in Grand Forks, N.D., after a heavy snowstorm.

Brosseau closes his set with “Today Is a Bright New Day,” a wistful reflection on lost love and the belief that no matter our past disappointments or missteps, the future is full of hope and opportunity. —ROBIN HILTON

Set List

“Cradle Your Device”
“Stuck On The Roof Again”
“Today Is A Bright New Day”

Credits

Producers: Denise DeBelius, Robin Hilton; Audio Engineer: Kevin Wait; Videographers: Denise DeBelius, Gabriella Garcia-Pardo, Olivia Merrion; photo by Jim Tuttle/NPR

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699 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 5:56:46pm

Over the years, I feel more and more affinity for this kind of music — simple, heartfelt, very little production.

2 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 5:56:51pm
3 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:57:29pm
4 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 5:58:34pm

re: #3 Gus

Wow, that’s an amazing plank.

5 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:59:50pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Wow, that’s an amazing plank.

Ain’t it? Almost better than kittens and puppies. :D

6 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 6:00:50pm

re: #3 Gus

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Oh my.

7 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 6:01:06pm

In news today, the following story is found in a few outlets:

75-year-old human cloned for the production of stem cells

[…] Now, a collaboration of US and Korean researchers have succeeded in creating early embryos from two adult humans and converted the embryos to embryonic stem cells.

The method used is called somatic cell nuclear transplant. It involves taking an unfertilized egg and removing its nucleus, thereby deleting the DNA of the egg donor. At the same time, a nucleus from the cell of a donor is carefully removed and injected into the egg. After some time, during which the environment of the egg resets the developmental status of the donor’s DNA, cell division is activated. If the process is successful, the end result is a small cluster of cells that starts along the path of forming an embryo.

[…]

and

In a cloning first, scientists create stem cells from adults

Scientists have moved a step closer to the goal of creating stem cells perfectly matched to a patient’s DNA in order to treat diseases, they announced on Thursday, creating patient-specific cell lines out of the skin cells of two adult men.

The advance, described online in the journal Cell Stem Cell, is the first time researchers have achieved “therapeutic cloning” of adults. Technically called somatic-cell nuclear transfer, therapeutic cloning means producing embryonic cells genetically identical to a donor, usually for the purpose of using those cells to treat disease.

[…]

However, when I go to the journal referenced:
cell.com
it’s not clear to me what paper is being referenced.

The ArsTechnica article links to a nearly year old paper:
Human Embryonic Stem Cells Derived by Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer
but it seems odd to me that Reuters and Ars would report as some breaking news a year old discovery.

Anyway, it’s getting a bit of coverage. Yes, we ought be able to clone humans.

8 wrenchwench  Apr 17, 2014 6:01:18pm

Later, lizards.

9 Political Atheist  Apr 17, 2014 6:01:49pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Over the years, I feel more and more affinity for this kind of music — simple, heartfelt, very little production.

For me that goes well past music. “very little production” lets the first two shine. Music, Fashion. Photography. Art. IMHO.

10 dog philosopher  Apr 17, 2014 6:05:50pm

onna them old martins from the 20s?

11 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 6:08:01pm
13 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 6:12:31pm

I’ve been thinking of selling all my guitars.
These pics are making it more difficult.

14 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 6:13:48pm

George W. Bush Debuts New Paintings Of Dogs, Friends, Ghost Of Iraqi Child That Follows Him Everywhere

Onion Video

15 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 6:14:40pm

re: #3 Gus

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and you can thank a fungus for that beautiful look. I’ve got some ambrosia maple sitting in a box (a fungus based discoloration caused by the ambrosia beetle) Lots of woods can spalt, but that is probably the most beautiful piece I’ve seen.

RBS

16 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 6:15:15pm

re: #9 Political Atheist

For me that goes well past music. “very little production” lets the first two shine. Music, fashion, art. IMHO.

And food.

Just give me my loquats and chocolate.

17 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 6:17:06pm

re: #16 freetoken

And food.

Just give me my loquats and chocolate.

18 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 6:18:02pm

re: #15 RealityBasedSteve

and you can thank a fungus for that beautiful look. I’ve got some ambrosia maple sitting in a box (a fungus based discoloration caused by the ambrosia beetle) Lots of woods can spalt, but that is probably the most beautiful piece I’ve seen.

RBS

I have a chunk of birds eye maple downstairs I was going to put on a guitar but never did.

19 Stanley Sea  Apr 17, 2014 6:18:17pm

re: #11 Gus

For a second I thought I was back on my twitter window!

Bravo!

20 Romantic Heretic  Apr 17, 2014 6:18:44pm

re: #14 Pie-onist Overlord

Snort.

21 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 6:19:51pm

I’m in a fantastic mood this Thursday evening. My SharePoint technology showcases went like a charm, people were very happy with the experience. I had a lot of fun doing them, and after one of them in Nashville, the “Coordinator for Speakers and Events” for the local Sharepoint Users Group ask me if I could do a presentation, said they would love me to just come in and do an hour on any subject in Sharepoint that I wanted to talk about.

Ended up leaving work late, since my head now couldn’t make it through the classroom door.

Got a tee-time tomorrow AM with a friend of mine for a course I’ve never played, life is good.

RBS

22 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 6:21:57pm

re: #18 b_sharp

I have a chunk of birds eye maple downstairs I was going to put on a guitar but never did.

I LOVE birds eye / curly / quilted maples. Funny thing is, scientists really don’t know WHAT causes the birdseye or curly effect. One of my favorite pens is a quilted maple with just fantastic movement.

Wood is Good.

23 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 6:23:20pm
24 Stanley Sea  Apr 17, 2014 6:25:10pm

re: #21 RealityBasedSteve

I’m in a fantastic mood this Thursday evening. My SharePoint technology showcases went like a charm, people were very happy with the experience. I had a lot of fun doing them, and after one of them in Nashville, the “Coordinator for Speakers and Events” for the local Sharepoint Users Group ask me if I could do a presentation, said they would love me to just come in and do an hour on any subject in Sharepoint that I wanted to talk about.

Ended up leaving work late, since my head now couldn’t make it through the classroom door.

Got a tee-time tomorrow AM with a friend of mine for a course I’ve never played, life is good.

RBS

I’m having 10 women over for dinner. Yin and yang.

25 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 6:25:47pm

re: #22 RealityBasedSteve

I LOVE birds eye / curly / quilted maples. Funny thing is, scientists really don’t know WHAT causes the birdseye or curly effect. One of my favorite pens is a quilted maple with just fantastic movement.

Wood is Good.

Since I failed as a luthier, I’ve been thinking of turning to pens.

26 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 17, 2014 6:26:31pm

So to get a bit heavy for a moment, for the past week I’ve been dealing with a friend of mine getting into a pretty dark place and getting psychiatrically hospitalized. I’ve been expecting/dreading this for a long time—but the good news is that this appears to have been the rock-bottom he needed to hit. He really engaged with the therapy they gave him, is taking medication (he’s bipolar) and, thanks to the ACA, he’ll actually be able to afford the medication even with his somewhat irregular work habits. He sounds more like his old self than he has in years, and he’s writing well again. I think his stuff has a kind of Wallace Stevens feel to it:

Wakened by a singleness in words;
Fraudulent episodes in action.
Voices lacking luster in their ails.
Flavor lost its pallet of color.
A semblance of once recalled
Fables motives in tone.
Fortifying an epic stone-wall,
Frail gray shades to remorse,
Setting up a hollow wrapping;
Tamping down on manias’ woe.

And his favorite Wallace Stevens poem:

The Emperor of Ice Cream.

Call the roller of big cigars,
The muscular one, and bid him whip
In kitchen cups concupiscent curds.
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month’s newspapers.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three glass knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered fantails once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her horny feet protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

27 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 6:27:06pm
28 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 6:28:31pm

re: #27 Gus

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Both.

29 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 6:29:05pm

Stay classy Freepers.

I clicked that link. Why did I do that? I was Freep-free for so long.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

30 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 17, 2014 6:29:20pm

HOCKEY!!!!

Hawks up 3-2 on Blues in 2nd Period.
Rangers defeat Flyers 4-1. (updated)

31 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 6:30:30pm

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

Stay classy Freepers.

I clicked that link. Why did I do that? I was Freep-free for so long.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Oh dear.

32 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 17, 2014 6:32:08pm

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

Stay classy Freepers.

I clicked that link. Why did I do that? I was Freep-free for so long.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Brain Bleach! Stat!

33 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 6:32:55pm

re: #25 b_sharp

Since I failed as a luthier, I’ve been thinking of turning to pens.

I enjoy it. It’s relaxing for me, and lets me exercise what limited creative abilities I might have. I’ve seen people who truly raise it to an art form. I view myself as a good solid craftsman, and I’m happy with that.

If you are interested in getting into wood turning, I’ll be glad to share what I know and let you pick my brains. (pretty slim pickings I’m afraid)

RBS

34 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 6:36:29pm

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

I enjoy it. It’s relaxing for me, and lets me exercise what limited creative abilities I might have. I’ve seen people who truly raise it to an art form. I view myself as a good solid craftsman, and I’m happy with that.

If you are interested in getting into wood turning, I’ll be glad to share what I know and let you pick my brains. (pretty slim pickings I’m afraid)

RBS

I have 2 Taig lathes so I’m hoping the beds are long enough, although I can join them together if need be. I also have a 7x12 metal lathe I intend to CNC.

I’m not sure a CNC is necessary for pens though.

35 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 6:38:42pm

re: #27 Gus
Flamed vs Quilted Maple….

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Boy… tough choice. If it were natural, I’d probably go with the flamed, but since it’s dyed, my eye tends to the quilted.

RBS

36 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 6:41:49pm

re: #34 b_sharp

I have 2 Taig lathes so I’m hoping the beds are long enough, although I can join them together if need be. I also have a 7x12 metal lathe I intend to CNC.

I’m not sure a CNC is necessary for pens though.

I know (of) some people who do it at that level. Especially nice if you wanted to start making some of your own hardware. I just looked up the Taig Micro Lathe online, and you could certainly do pen turning between centers on it.

RBS

37 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 6:42:44pm

Must be terrible to be in such a state of mind as those Freepers.

38 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 6:43:02pm

Nothing says “incompetent” like “journalist”.

Ok, so I’m painting with a broad brush.

But looking over news stories this afternoon I find it more than a little annoying to see how poorly, and wrongly, reported are so many events, beliefs, activities, etc.

The bar is really, really low these days, for “reporting”.

39 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 6:44:25pm

re: #36 RealityBasedSteve

I know (of) some people who do it at that level. Especially nice if you wanted to start making some of your own hardware. I just looked up the Taig Micro Lathe online, and you could certainly do pen turning between centers on it.

RBS

What equipment would I need?

40 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 6:46:09pm

Your argument is invalid.

41 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 6:48:18pm

re: #39 b_sharp

The Taig tools are here:

taigtools.com

For many years I’ve lusted after some Sherline equipment:

sherline.com

which are a little bit more expensive, I think.

42 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 6:53:41pm
43 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 6:53:56pm

re: #41 freetoken

The Taig tools are here:

taigtools.com

For many years I’ve lusted after some Sherline equipment:

sherline.com

which are a little bit more expensive, I think.

I meant what equipment specific to pens. I already have the taig stuff.
Don’t you need a press and a special centre drill for pens?

44 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 17, 2014 6:56:29pm

re: #41 freetoken

The Taig tools are here:

taigtools.com

For many years I’ve lusted after some Sherline equipment:

sherline.com

which are a little bit more expensive, I think.

It’s a good thing they aren’t quite long enough to do rifle barrel work or my wallet would be in a world of hurt. Might still be sometime…O_o

45 Political Atheist  Apr 17, 2014 6:56:43pm

So just by way of music thread, this kinda oddball dude just amazes me. Buckethead

Youtube Video

46 Skip Intro  Apr 17, 2014 6:58:43pm

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

Stay classy Freepers.

I clicked that link. Why did I do that? I was Freep-free for so long.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

That’s just the beginning. Wait to see what Pigboy does with it over the next year.

47 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 7:00:02pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

That’s just the beginning. Wait to see what Pigboy does with it over the next year.

The troglodytes in the GOP base should just get it over with and nominate Rush Limbaugh for president.

48 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 7:00:04pm

re: #39 b_sharp

What equipment would I need?

Can start pretty basic. I do 90 percent of my turning with 1 carbide tool that uses replaceable blades. If you want to start doing it the ‘traditional; (easy) way, you’ll need a lathe with a minimum of about a 12 inch bed, a couple of turning tools (unless you’ve got a sharpining setup / grinder I recommend the carbide bit style), some sand papers, glue, drill press (or I drill on the lathe).

I’d send you some pics of my setup, but right now I’m still rebuilding the shop, but I can get some stuff done for you this week.

Best resource Penturners.org , the “PenTuning 101” library is a great start. Hardest part for most of us, learning how to get a great finish. It actually took me about a year or more to learn how to do it consistently and have it look great.

RBS

49 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 7:05:22pm

re: #48 RealityBasedSteve

Can start pretty basic. I do 90 percent of my turning with 1 carbide tool that uses replaceable blades. If you want to start doing it the ‘traditional; (easy) way, you’ll need a lathe with a minimum of about a 12 inch bed, a couple of turning tools (unless you’ve got a sharpining setup / grinder I recommend the carbide bit style), some sand papers, glue, drill press (or I drill on the lathe).

I’d send you some pics of my setup, but right now I’m still rebuilding the shop, but I can get some stuff done for you this week.

Best resource Penturners.org , the “PenTuning 101” library is a great start. Hardest part for most of us, learning how to get a great finish. It actually took me about a year or more to learn how to do it consistently and have it look great.

RBS

I have a mill with a 7” Z axis. Is that enough for drilling?

I have a pile of carbide tools for metal turning but metal turning isn’t freehand. Would it work if I put them in a handle for free hand?

50 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:05:40pm
51 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 7:05:52pm

re: #43 b_sharp

I meant what equipment specific to pens. I already have the taig stuff.
Don’t you need a press and a special centre drill for pens?

Nope. I mount the blank in a standard 4 jaw chuck, put a jacobs chuck in the tail stock, and use the lathe itself as a horizontal drill press. IF I were doing a huge production output on a regular basis it might be nice to have a DP with a 4+ inch stroke and a self centering vice. It actually only takes me about 5 minutes to drill both blanks for a pen, and if I’m doing several at a setting I do them in batches so I don’t have as much time doing setups.

Some people like using brad point drills, other regular bits. I’ve found that by having the wood spinning and the bit stationary as I feed it in it doesn’t make much difference in the results.

RBS

52 Skip Intro  Apr 17, 2014 7:06:54pm

Meanwhile, Australian woman hits bicyclist while texting, and boy is she pissed!

“I just don’t care because I’ve already been through a lot of bullshit and my car is, like, pretty expensive and now I have to fix it,” she told a responding officer two days after the Sept. 20 collision. “I’m kind of pissed off that the cyclist has hit the side of my car. I don’t agree that people texting and driving could hit a cyclist. I wasn’t on my phone when I hit the cyclist.”

huffingtonpost.com

53 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:07:35pm
54 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 7:08:53pm

re: #51 RealityBasedSteve

Nope. I mount the blank in a standard 4 jaw chuck, put a jacobs chuck in the tail stock, and use the lathe itself as a horizontal drill press. IF I were doing a huge production output on a regular basis it might be nice to have a DP with a 4+ inch stroke and a self centering vice. It actually only takes me about 5 minutes to drill both blanks for a pen, and if I’m doing several at a setting I do them in batches so I don’t have as much time doing setups.

Some people like using brad point drills, other regular bits. I’ve found that by having the wood spinning and the bit stationary as I feed it in it doesn’t make much difference in the results.

RBS

I’ve done a fair bit of drilling of metal using exactly that process. Do you shape the outside immediately after drilling the hole?

55 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 7:09:43pm

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

Stay classy Freepers.

I clicked that link. Why did I do that? I was Freep-free for so long.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

That is foul, even for Freepers.

One thing that is very clear is that if Hillary Clinton is the (D) nominee in 2016, the result will be an unending torrent of misogynist filth from the GOP and RW noise machine.

It might be so bad that it allows the Democrats to peel off another 5-10% of the women vote, which would doom the GOP at the national level.

56 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 7:09:57pm

re: #52 Skip Intro

Meanwhile, Australian woman hits bicyclist while texting, and >boy is she pissed!

huffingtonpost.com

And the winner of the “Entitled Bitch Award” is…

57 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 7:10:55pm

re: #55 EPR-radar

I’m not clicking on that link. Wouldn’t be prudent.

58 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:11:53pm
59 Skip Intro  Apr 17, 2014 7:13:23pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

I’m not clicking on that link. Wouldn’t be prudent.

It’s uglier than you can imagine.

60 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 7:17:04pm

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

61 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 7:17:33pm

re: #59 Skip Intro

It’s uglier than you can imagine.

Indeed. Picture a compressed air line running to the bottom of a 10,000 gallon sewage treatment tank.

62 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 7:17:34pm

Well gang, it’s been an exciting and adventure-filled week for this little lizard, so I’m going curl up on my hot rock and see ya all laterre: #54 b_sharp

I’ve done a fair bit of drilling of metal using exactly that process. Do you shape the outside immediately after drilling the hole?

Normally you cut the pieces slightly longer than you need, drill, and then you glue in brass tubes to the inside. The brass tubes provide the strength for the pen, since a lot of times you’re tuning that wood down below 0.5 mm in places.

once you’ve got the tubes in place, you use an end mill or sanding disk to square the ends of the blanks to the tube ends.

Next you take a set of bushings (each pen kit has it’s own unique set), they insert into the brass tubes and give you a finished size to turn to. (That’s the easy way. The real experts turn directly between centers and use a micrometer to get the final dimensions)

Once you get the pieces turned to size and shaped, comes the finishing.

My own finishing (for wood, acrylics get a slightly different treatment), consists of standing from 220 grit through 25,000 grit, applying 20 or so very thin layers of superglue, and then wet sanding 220- 25,000 grit again, with a final buff with white diamond compound. Actually only takes about 10 minutes, not counting the fact that I like to let the glue cure for 24 hours or so)

Check out the Pen turning 101, there are some good videos on it. :)

RBS

63 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 17, 2014 7:19:13pm

re: #5 Gus

Ain’t it? Almost better than kittens and puppies. :D

What about kittens and babies?

Youtube Video

64 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 7:19:51pm

re: #62 RealityBasedSteve

Well gang, it’s been an exciting and adventure-filled week for this little lizard, so I’m going curl up on my hot rock and see ya all later

Normally you cut the pieces slightly longer than you need, drill, and then you glue in brass tubes to the inside. The brass tubes provide the strength for the pen, since a lot of times you’re tuning that wood down below 0.5 mm in places.

once you’ve got the tubes in place, you use an end mill or sanding disk to square the ends of the blanks to the tube ends.

Next you take a set of bushings (each pen kit has it’s own unique set), they insert into the brass tubes and give you a finished size to turn to. (That’s the easy way. The real experts turn directly between centers and use a micrometer to get the final dimensions)

Once you get the pieces turned to size and shaped, comes the finishing.

My own finishing (for wood, acrylics get a slightly different treatment), consists of standing from 220 grit through 25,000 grit, applying 20 or so very thin layers of superglue, and then wet sanding 220- 25,000 grit again, with a final buff with white diamond compound. Actually only takes about 10 minutes, not counting the fact that I like to let the glue cure for 24 hours or so)

Check out the Pen turning 101, there are some good videos on it. :)

RBS

Thanks.

Will do.

65 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 7:23:25pm

re: #53 Gus

[…]

“Then a White House assistant called to ask how I would photograph him. With this project I was using a ring light, which gives an even light, and I wanted to photograph every person the same way so you could see the progression of age and experience from one man to the next.

“But the ring light leaves two rings in the eyes and Obama’s people said we couldn’t use it because they were concerned his detractors may say he was the Devil.

[…]

America, land of Derp.

66 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:23:27pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

What about kittens and babies?

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Teh cute.

67 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 7:24:05pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

What about kittens and babies?

You want to turn kittens on lathes?

68 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 7:24:33pm

re: #66 Gus

Teh cute.

*Tries that with my cat
…
..
.
In ER 15 minutes later.*

69 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:25:02pm

re: #65 freetoken

America, land of Derp.

Imagine walking around day to day thinking that someone might be the devil? That would be, weird.

70 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 7:27:34pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

That’s just the beginning. Wait to see what Pigboy does with it over the next year.

Rush: a One-Man FreeRepublic

71 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 7:27:50pm

re: #69 Gus

Imagine walking around day to day thinking that someone might be the devil? That would be, weird.

If only that was the weirdest thing about which our fellow citizens dwelled day in and day out.

72 TedStriker  Apr 17, 2014 7:28:07pm

re: #58 Gus

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73 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 7:28:19pm

re: #52 Skip Intro

Meanwhile, Australian woman hits bicyclist while texting, and >boy is she pissed!

huffingtonpost.com

Gina Rinehart?

74 Skip Intro  Apr 17, 2014 7:29:04pm
Scotland Now picked up our @markmannphoto story on how he shot the #president

This is going to make quite a few Freepers excited once they read it.

75 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 7:29:05pm

Moo.

76 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 7:32:06pm

re: #75 jaunte

Looks like a image of a milk cow.

77 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 7:32:21pm

re: #65 freetoken

America, land of Derp.

Barack Obama couldn’t go into the Sikhs’ Golden Temple in Amritsar, India in 2010 because men visiting that temple are required to wear a turban. President Obama’s advisers therefore nixed the visit, openly admitting that they had done so because a photo of Barack Obama wearing a turban would have been flashed around the Internet as “proof Obama is a MUSLIM!!1”.

78 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 7:32:55pm

re: #76 freetoken

Klipart Country.

79 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 7:33:04pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

From that same link:

“Very sadly this is the most controversial president America has ever had and I think his press officers are incredibly aware of how things can be used in the wrong context. They are dealing with crazies the whole time.”

80 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:33:22pm

re: #76 freetoken

Looks like a image of a milk cow.

LOL Yes. Needs to be beef cattle.

81 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 7:33:28pm

re: #76 freetoken

Looks like a image of a milk cow.

MOO-ON LABE!!1

82 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:33:40pm

I see RWNJs are also big on RT.

83 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 7:34:49pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Barack Obama couldn’t go into the Sikhs’ Golden Temple in Amritsar, India in 2010 because men visiting that temple are required to wear a turban. President Obama’s advisers therefore nixed the visit, openly admitting that they had done so because a photo of Barack Obama wearing a turban would have been flashed around the Internet as “proof Obama is a MUSLIM!!1”.

This 2006 photo gets Tweeted a lot.

84 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 7:35:14pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

MOO-ON LABE!!1

Judging from the context in which its being used and by whom, one must assume the English translation of “Molon Labe” is “I’m with stupid.”

85 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 7:36:10pm

I like that the photog did not use a ring light. I think those too often give too flat an image.

He did take the image closely though, close enough to emphasize the nose and deemphasize the ears. That’s why the President looks a little bit different in that image compared to most others.

86 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 7:36:53pm

re: #75 jaunte

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Moo.

Okely dokely.
I’m hungry.

87 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 7:37:44pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

Yes, it looks more like an invitation to dinner than a message of defiance.

88 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 7:37:53pm

Stylistically I like single light portraits:

google.com

President Obama would be a good subject for such a treatment, but I fear what the idiots would make out of such.

89 calochortus  Apr 17, 2014 7:38:35pm

re: #76 freetoken

Looks like a image of a milk cow.

Nah, dairy cattle tend to have really big udders. Most cattle out on the range are cow-and-calf ‘units’. Steers are shipped off to feedlots pretty young so you don’t see steers out wandering around in Nevada like you used to.

The bell around the neck is kind of silly.

90 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:40:37pm
91 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 7:41:09pm

re: #89 calochortus

Ok, a really old fashioned milk cow, before modern breeding took the bovines into utter extremes.

92 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 7:41:12pm

You want a piece of me?

93 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 7:41:30pm

re: #87 jaunte

Yes, it looks more like an invitation to dinner than a message of defiance.

It’s intended to prove Eric Holder is a bull-y.

94 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 7:42:19pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

It’s intended to prove Eric Holder is a bull-y.

*Stares with disapproval*

95 calochortus  Apr 17, 2014 7:42:40pm

re: #91 freetoken

Ok, a really old fashioned milk cow, before modern breeding took the bovines into utter udder extremes.

Fixed.

96 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 7:44:33pm

re: #95 calochortus

Fixed.

Thanks D_F.
:P

97 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 7:44:39pm

re: #94 Varek Raith

*Stares with disapproval*

Say what you’re thinking. Or are you a cow-ard?

98 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 7:47:24pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

That might have killed the thread, but I think there’s still ruminate.

99 Decatur Deb  Apr 17, 2014 7:47:41pm

Are we allowed to call her Bossie?

100 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 7:48:07pm

Nope. I’m taking the high road.
:P

101 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 7:49:40pm

re: #90 Gus

That’s a big shouty quote.

102 Lidane  Apr 17, 2014 7:50:27pm
103 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:53:10pm

104 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 7:54:30pm

re: #102 Lidane

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The only thing I hate more than Missouri Nazis is Illinois Nazis:

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105 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 7:54:55pm

re: #90 Gus

Goldberg hit a new personal low in his recent column complaining about Holder and Obama blowing racist dog-whistles.

106 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 7:56:15pm

re: #102 Lidane

He denied that he was racist, writing that he “only pointed out the corporations responsible for destroying the United States are run by Jews.”

He doesn’t even hear himself.

107 Decatur Deb  Apr 17, 2014 7:56:49pm

re: #102 Lidane

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Grow ‘em a little dim-witted around those parts.

108 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 7:57:26pm
109 Decatur Deb  Apr 17, 2014 7:58:32pm

re: #108 jaunte

Looks more and more like Tina Fey doing Sarah Plain.

110 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 7:59:04pm

111 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 7:59:48pm

Scurvy, the new super-conservative trend.

112 Decatur Deb  Apr 17, 2014 7:59:57pm

re: #110 Gus

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You gonna milk that for all it’s worth?

113 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:00:29pm

re: #112 Decatur Deb

You gonna milk that for all it’s worth?

‘Till the cows come home.

114 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:04:57pm

115 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 8:08:23pm

re: #110 Gus

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Worth tweeting, several times.

116 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 8:09:51pm

Moment of silence marks exact time of fertilizer plant explosion that killed 15 in Texas town

… but let’s not try to prevent similar events from occurring again.

117 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 8:10:44pm

re: #110 Gus

Tweeted!

118 Skip Intro  Apr 17, 2014 8:13:28pm

re: #102 Lidane

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Great! Something else to get the Freepers frothing at the mouth.

119 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:14:10pm

Cowmunism!

120 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 8:15:15pm

re: #119 Gus

Chairman Moo.

121 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 8:19:43pm

re: #105 freetoken

Goldberg hit a new personal low in his recent column complaining about Holder and Obama blowing racist dog-whistles.

Honestly, I’m going to defend Goldberg somewhat on this one. Eric Holder’s saying “”If you don’t believe that, you look at the way — forget about me, forget about me. You look at the way the attorney general of the United States was treated yesterday by a House committee… . What attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?” was a piece of selective amnesia. Many attorneys general have been treated disrespectfully by the House. It’s not THAT unusual.

Barack Obama has been subjected to unparalleled invective, but Eric Holder has not.

122 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:23:12pm
123 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 8:23:16pm

Friend of mine took a great shot from the new span of the Bay Bridge of the old Bay Bridge as they’re dismantling it.

First gap in the old Bay Bridge as they dismantle it.

124 makeitstop  Apr 17, 2014 8:23:39pm

re: #3 Gus

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I usually don’t go for highly figured tops, but that’s stunning.

125 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:24:35pm

1978 Public Rangelands Improvement Act

126 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 8:25:54pm

re: #125 Gus

Show me that in the Bible. It’s not there, so there.

127 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 8:26:41pm

re: #126 freetoken

Show me that in the Bible. It’s not there, so there.

Neither is an avocado. Satan’s seed!

128 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 8:29:04pm
When can one refuse to obey the law without expecting to bring the whole thing down? Certainly such instances exist: I daresay that I would not stand idly by quoting John Adams if a state reintroduced slavery or herded a religious group into ovens or even indulged in wholesale gun confiscation. But Bundy’s case is not remotely approaching these thresholds. Are we to presume that if the government is destroying one’s livelihood or breaking one’s ties with the past, one can revolt? If so, one suspects that half the country would march on Washington, with scimitars drawn, and that West Virginia would invade the Environmental Protection Agency.

Speaking in 1838, Abraham Lincoln argued,

When I so pressingly urge a strict observance of all the laws, let me not be understood as saying there are no bad laws, nor that grievances may not arise, for the redress of which, no legal provisions have been made. — I mean to say no such thing.

Nor I. As government expands and civil society retreats, bad laws pile atop bad laws, and the cause for dissent is magnified and deepened. Cliven Bundy has been dealt a raw hand by a system that is deaf to his grievances and ham-fisted in its response. But this is a republic, dammit — and those who hope to keep it cannot pick and choose the provisions with which they are willing to deign to comply.

- Charles C.W. Cooke

129 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 8:31:11pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Cliven Bundy has been dealt a raw hand by a system that is deaf to his grievances

I think the ‘system’ has been patient to a fault listening to his imaginary grievances and delaying collection of the quite reasonable fees he owes.

130 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 8:31:48pm

re: #108 jaunte

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Because Sarah Palin kills and prepares her own meat herself heh. Seriously though, that’s just lame. It’s lame when PETA attacks meat eaters and it’s lame when vegetarians are attacked and have their manhood questioned. I’ll continue eating both meat and veggies.

131 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 8:32:50pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

For the record it should be noted that this unusual episode of relative sanity at the National Review Online is only part of the NRO picture for this issue. At least one other columnist there has posted a pro-Bundy piece.

More significantly, the comments in the Cooke piece were running very heavily pro-Bundy when I checked.

132 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 8:34:46pm

re: #131 EPR-radar

For the record it should be noted that this unusual episode of relative sanity at the National Review Online is only part of the NRO picture for this issue. At least one other columnist there has posted a pro-Bundy piece.

More significantly, the comments in the Cooke piece were running very heavily pro-Bundy when I checked.

Didn’t someone at NRO compare Bundy to Nelson Mandela or was that another rag? It was Williamson and Gandhi. Because you know the US government is like Britain’s imperial government and Gandhi brought out guns.

133 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:35:19pm
134 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:36:22pm

@TrespassingCow

135 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 8:36:35pm

Also from National Review:

Cut away the misplaced rhetoric about freedom (spouted mostly by people who wouldn’t know a steer from a heifer), the dangerous over-use of force by federal agents, the ludicrous spectacle of “free-speech zones,” and the situation is simple: Bundy is extracting a valuable use from land that does not belong to him, and is refusing to pay the owner (i.e., the American taxpayer) for that use.

He is a squatter, a right-wing version of the dreadlocked freegan who sets up living quarters in an abandoned building in Brooklyn. If everyone did as Bundy does, the concept of property rights would be diminished.

Testing Bundy’s claim is simple. If he has a right to do what he is doing on public land to which he does not have title, then so should you and I. What would happen if a hundred other people each put a hundred head of cattle on the same property? The grass would run out; every animal would, eventually, starve.

This “tragedy of the commons” — the depletion of resources that occurs when ranching, farming, timbering, or drilling happen on the same public land without a means to restrict and compensate for that access — is something that grazing rules on BLM property are meant to address. And it works pretty well. Most ranchers who lease BLM land pay a per-head fee (this year, $1.35 per animal unit month) and live a life with no armed standoffs.

It’s entirely possible to really believe in property rights, but it means you can’t just mindlessly follow the political herd. You have gain some real maturity of your own.

136 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 8:36:58pm

Un. Fucking. Real.

The Case for a Little Sedition | National Review Online

137 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 8:38:20pm

No, National Review is really not having a moment of sanity.

138 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:38:50pm

NRO isn’t even conservative anymore. I don’t know what they are. Reactionary right-wing.

139 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:39:15pm
140 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 8:39:30pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Yeah, saw that the other day. It immediately generated a flood of comments, the usual chorus of wingnuts. Last I left it had over 1200 comments, and I see they are still coming in.

The paleo-right/hate-right are circling the drain into the sewer of history. If only they’d get there sooner.

141 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 17, 2014 8:39:58pm

re: #131 EPR-radar

For the record it should be noted that this unusual episode of relative sanity at the National Review Online is only part of the NRO picture for this issue. At least one other columnist there has posted a pro-Bundy piece.

More significantly, the comments in the Cooke piece were running very heavily pro-Bundy when I checked.

I love how he mentions arch-revolutionary George Washington while ignoring how Washington handled the Whiskey Rebellion - which was a combination of sending commissioners to negotiate while also collecting troops to enforce the tax collection.

142 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 8:41:36pm

Kevin Williamson is ridiculous.

143 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 8:41:38pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Un. Fucking. Real.

The Case for a Little Sedition | National Review Online

Bundy is like Gandhi?

Fuck you NRO.

144 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:42:04pm

re: #142 jaunte

Kevin Williamson is ridiculous.

SOP

145 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 8:42:18pm

re: #143 Kragar

Bundy is like Gandhi?

Fuck you NRO.

Bundy was like Gandhi, that was it. Thanks. I did not want to read that tripe.

146 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 17, 2014 8:42:34pm

re: #143 Kragar

Bundy is like Gandhi?

Fuck you NRO.

Gandhi’s snipers don’t get enough press.

147 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 8:43:03pm
By some estimates, superfluous federal holdings amount to trillions of dollars in value. Surely not every inch of that 87 percent of Nevada under the absentee-landlordship of the federal government is critical to the national interest. Perhaps Mr. Bundy would like to buy some land where he can graze his cattle.

Billionaires think the rest of us are hogging too much land.

148 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 8:43:33pm

re: #141 Feline Fearless Leader

I love how he mentions arch-revolutionary George Washington while ignoring how Washington handled the Whiskey Rebellion - which was a combination of sending commissioners to negotiate while also collecting troops to enforce the tax collection.

Hell Washington rode out himself in full uniform during the Whiskey Rebellion. If Obama ever did something like that in his role as commander in chief(Yes, I know Washington was a general and Obama has never been but Washington was still a civilian when the Whiskey Rebellion happened), can you imagine?

149 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 8:44:20pm

Remember when the right used to claim they supported “Law and Order.” Sorry NRO but Mr. Bundy has to follow the law like the rest of us.

150 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:46:34pm
151 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 8:46:36pm

Of course, if Bunny Ranch offers me a free coupon I’ll have to decline…I am a married man after all.

152 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 17, 2014 8:47:26pm

I just power owned the “mighty” Greenwald, for his hypocritical smears of Charles Johnson. Lets see if he even attempts to reply.

153 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 8:47:42pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Un. Fucking. Real.

The Case for a Little Sedition | National Review Online

That was one of three pieces, Charles. The other two did not agree with it, and Cooke criticized Williamson’s view of the situation.

That’s debate, not crazies marching in lockstep.

154 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 17, 2014 8:48:45pm

re: #139 Gus

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Cows in the city moo moo. Cows in the city moo moo. This is what happens when Peta unleashes the Cows. moo moo! ;)

155 gwangung  Apr 17, 2014 8:49:25pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

That was one of three pieces, Charles. The other two did not agree with it, and Cooke criticized Williamson’s view of the situation.

That’s debate, not crazies marching in lockstep.

Damning with faint praise, I see…

156 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 8:50:26pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

There’s nothing to debate here.

157 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 8:50:53pm

And again, Here are the other two NRO articles:

Bundy’s Lessons By Travis Kavulla

The Problem with Cliven Bundy By Charles C. W. Cooke

Read those as well as Williamson’s DERP.

158 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 8:51:34pm

re: #155 gwangung

Damning with faint praise, I see…

Effusive praise has a way of getting the praise-giver burned.

159 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 17, 2014 8:53:20pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

The same article continues:

That said, Bundy’s truculence has created one positive outcome. It has focused the wider public’s attention on a fact that few in America’s urban centers have to grapple with: that in most of the largest states of the union, an enormous amount of land is publicly owned, and under the control of an alphabet soup of federal agencies.

How many people had never heard the abbreviation BLM before this episode? Yet this obscure outfit — along with the U.S. Forest Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the National Park Service — calls the shots on millions of acres. Its bureaucrats have the power to make or break the livelihoods of both citizens like Mr. Bundy and entire communities in the rural West that depend on natural resources harvested from or raised on federal land.

How is it doing as the country’s largest landowner? Pretty darn poorly.

So really, it’s federal bureaucracy’s fault that Bundy wouldn’t pay his bills for two decades, not Bundy’s.

It’s like fucking Geritol ads; whatever your problem is, the answer is Geritol smaller government. Don’t have a problem? Geritol less government could probably make something better.

A solution in search of a problem.

160 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 8:53:20pm
The Problem with Cliven Bundy
His plight is sympathetic…

Stop right there.

161 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:53:35pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

That was one of three pieces, Charles. The other two did not agree with it, and Cooke criticized Williamson’s view of the situation.

That’s debate, not crazies marching in lockstep.

43 U.S. Code § 1905 - Grazing fees; economic value of use of land; fair market value components; annual percentage change limitation

Nothing to debate.

162 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:54:21pm

Cooke is a freaking nut BTW.

163 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 8:54:35pm

re: #159 The Ghost of a Flea

That’s how the first page ends. Read page two to find out how the article ends. Because evidence is offered to support that conclusion about the BLM.

164 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:55:22pm

Sorry. We’re not going to reinvent BLM, grazing fees, public land management, farm aid, etc. just for one freaking far-right reactionary loser that refused to pay up.

165 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 8:55:58pm

re: #164 Gus

Sorry. We’re not going to reinvent BLM, grazing fees, public land management, farm aid, etc. just for one freaking far-right reactionary loser that refused to pay up.

This.

166 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 8:56:18pm

Drumbeat for land privatization.

167 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:57:12pm

re: #166 jaunte

Drumbeat for land privatization.

Hey. The corporate farms and ranches would like nothing better.

168 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 8:57:33pm

So a bunch of religious zealots who threaten Americans rate sending troops around the globe to deal with, but when they pop up in Nevada, the US government is just supposed to roll over apparently.

169 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 8:57:55pm

re: #167 Gus

Yes, Bundy’s just a vehicle.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 17, 2014 8:58:22pm

Hawks - Blues in 2nd OT tied 3-3.
Playoff hockey - they keep playing additional periods until someone scores.

171 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 8:59:05pm

re: #168 Kragar

So a bunch of religious zealots who threaten Americans rate sending troops around the globe to deal with, but when they pop up in Nevada, the US government is just supposed to roll over apparently.

It’s patriotic somehow to threaten your own government. Shrug, never will get the wingnut construct of proclaiming to love the American nation but hating, yes, hating her government.

172 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 8:59:37pm

re: #169 jaunte

Yes, Bundy’s just a vehicle.

They’d suck that land right up faster than a NY minute.

173 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 17, 2014 9:00:21pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

Page 2 just elaborates on Page1’s premise that somehow this is about the flaws of the BLM.

And shockingly, the solution is:

174 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 9:00:33pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

It’s patriotic somehow to threaten your own government. Shrug, never will get the wingnut construct of proclaiming to love the American nation but hating, yes, hating her government.

They scream bloody murder about Benghazi, then talk about murdering Federal agents over cattle.

175 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:01:03pm

re: #174 Kragar

They scream bloody murder about Benghazi, then talk about murdering Federal agents over cattle.

Yep.

176 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 9:02:30pm

re: #164 Gus

Sorry. We’re not going to reinvent BLM, grazing fees, public land management, farm aid, etc. just for one freaking far-right reactionary loser that refused to pay up.

No, we’re not. Cooke and Kavulla were making that point. Citizens cannot pick and choose which laws they will obey. if a law is bad, civil disobedience may call attention to the problem, but the actual fix must come from the legislative process.

But this isn’t civil disobedience we’re talking about: This case was about a freeloader who was arguing that the relevant laws did not apply to him. And that argument is indefensible.

177 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 9:05:32pm

re: #152 CriticalDragon1177

I just power owned the “mighty” Greenwald, for his hypocritical smears of Charles Johnson. Lets see if he even attempts to reply.

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He won’t. I did…but he’ll ignore that too.

178 bratwurst  Apr 17, 2014 9:08:13pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

That was one of three pieces, Charles. The other two did not agree with it, and Cooke criticized Williamson’s view of the situation.

That’s debate, not crazies marching in lockstep.

Teach the controversy!

179 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:10:02pm
180 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 9:10:23pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

The problem with those pieces is they dance around the question of whether the law (Bundy has to pay grazing fees) was actually bad, and use the topic to slide off into the bigger issue of ‘does the government need all that land anyway?’

181 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:12:23pm

Was always federal land. It wasn’t until the homesteading acts that some of it when into private hands. These same bozos would call these homesteading acts a form of socialism today. Typical acreage was somewhere in the neighborhood of 600 acres.

182 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 17, 2014 9:13:29pm

Also, I so looovvveee that all these NRO articles make their point by revealing how Bundy is acting like a <wingnut>liberal freeloader</wingnut>.

As opposed to, say, admitting that there’s this crazy-ass movement of rightwing nutjobs that take whatever shit they want because they’re super-Confederates who only believe in the power of county sheriffs and their own weapon stockpiles.

Supersmall government, fuck yeah!

183 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 9:13:47pm

Great…now he’s a fucking “journalist” just like Greenwald.

184 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 9:14:09pm
185 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:14:22pm

Homestead Act of 1862

The “yeoman farmer” ideal of Jeffersonian democracy was still a powerful influence in American politics during the 1840-1850s, with many politicians believing a homestead act would help increase the number of “virtuous yeomen”. The Free Soil Party of 1848-52, and the new Republican Party after 1854, demanded that the new lands opening up in the west be made available to independent farmers, rather than wealthy planters who would develop it with the use of slaves forcing the yeomen farmers onto marginal lands.[4] Southern Democrats had continually fought (and defeated) previous homestead law proposals, as they feared free land would attract European immigrants and poor Southern whites to the west.[5][6][7] After the South seceded and their delegates left Congress in 1861, the Republicans and other supporters from the upper South passed a homestead act.[8]

The intent of the first Homestead Act, passed in 1862, was to liberalize the homesteading requirements of the Preemption Act of 1841. Its leading advocates were Andrew Johnson,[9] George Henry Evans and Horace Greeley.[10][11]

The law (and those following it) required a three step procedure: file an application, improve the land, and file for deed of title. Anyone who had never taken up arms against the U.S. government (including freed slaves) and was at least 21 years old or the head of a household, could file an application to claim a federal land grant. The occupant had to reside on the land for five years, and show evidence of having made improvements.

Back when Republicans were more like Democrats.

186 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 9:14:54pm

re: #178 bratwurst

Teach the controversy!

Shall I say that the next time a notable poster on the Daily Kos says something nutty and at odds with other posts on the issue?

187 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 9:15:06pm
188 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 9:15:45pm

re: #183 darthstar

his decision to question Vladimir Putin on surveillance

High comedy.

189 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 9:16:29pm
190 bratwurst  Apr 17, 2014 9:16:36pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Shall I say that the next time a notable poster on the Daily Kos says something nutty and at odds with other posts on the issue?

If I and others were here constantly defending Daily Kos in spite of a NUMBER of white supremacists being unmasked within its ranks, you would have an AWESOME point here.

191 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:17:18pm

re: #185 Gus

Homestead Act of 1862

Back when Republicans were more like Democrats.

Homestead Act doesn’t get enough talk when discussing Lincoln’s legacy. Apparently though, something like that had been proposed during the Buchanan years and Buchanan threatened to veto it. So way I look at it, another plus one for Abe and another strike against Buchanan.

192 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 9:18:36pm
193 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 9:19:24pm

Cocksucker frames his interview with Putin around “Clapper’s lie”…fucking anti-American piece of shit.

194 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:21:36pm

re: #184 Kragar

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Their belief in “Law and Order” goes out the window when it’s a white male involved. If you ask me, maybe Bundy shouldn’t have threatened an armed stand-off.

195 Ed E. Lishus  Apr 17, 2014 9:23:54pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

No, we’re not. Cooke and Kavulla were making that point. Citizens cannot pick and choose which laws they will obey.

Kavulla’s solution to Bundy freeloading on federal land is to make Bundy freeload on state, or even better, private land.

196 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:23:57pm

re: #192 jaunte

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That’s why it’s good to do it while you’re young. I actually find the history of fascism and fascist movements more interesting than the history of communism and communist movements. Though the latter is pretty fascinating too. My interests lie in the subtlties that separate these movements. I.E the clericalism of Franco’s fascism versus the worship of the fuehrer in Nazi Germany.

197 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 17, 2014 9:24:31pm

On further perusal of Kevin D WIlliamson article, fuck Kevin D WIlliamson and his glib appropriation of the massacre at Jalilanwala Bagh.

Also, fuck the continuing motif of pretending that the armed men who planned ahead to be armed to meet the BLM; openly threatened violence before the BLM arrived; and continue to issue threats, creating a standoff, are somehow comparable to unarmed protestors from civil rights struggles around the world.

As if any of these people would have actually stood with a little poor brown man who tried to organize labor protests.

198 teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2014 9:24:46pm

en.wikipedia.org

199 Ed E. Lishus  Apr 17, 2014 9:25:17pm

re: #178 bratwurst

Teach the controversy!

Precisely my thought. NRO: fair and balanced!

200 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 9:25:21pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Their belief in “Law and Order” goes out the window when it’s a white male involved. If you ask me, maybe Bundy shouldn’t have threatened an armed stand-off.

If you want to stop these assholes from taking up arms against our government, you need to make an example of the fuckers. Not all of them…just one or two of them. Just have someone say over the loudspeakers, “Hey assholes…you’re violating the law and threatening officers with weapons. Put down your guns and surrender or face the same fate as that asshole right there sitting on the tailgate of his dodge…boom!…or that asshole with the coors light and the knock-off assault rifle from Wal-Mart…boom!…any questions?”

Mass surrender in 15 seconds.

201 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:25:31pm

re: #193 darthstar

Cocksucker frames his interview with Putin around “Clapper’s lie”…fucking anti-American piece of shit.

That fucker. Manning is a bigger person than he is.

202 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 9:27:11pm

re: #200 darthstar

Or, you could just offer them some fluoride-laced water and see them squirm into submission.

203 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 9:28:38pm

Edward Snowden: Putin’s Gadfly
Produced by Vladimir Putin

204 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 17, 2014 9:29:45pm

re: #185 Gus

Homestead Act of 1862

Back when Republicans were more like Democrats.

And Congress didn’t get a chance to pass a set of pro-development laws such as the Homestead Act, Morill Act (creation of land-grant colleges), etc. until a time period when a certain reactionary section of the country had removed itself from being able to vote in Congress.

205 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 9:29:52pm
206 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 9:30:08pm

re: #182 The Ghost of a Flea

Also, I so looovvveee that all these NRO articles make their point by revealing how Bundy is acting like a <wingnut>liberal freeloader</wingnut>.

As opposed to, say, admitting that there’s this crazy-ass movement of rightwing nutjobs that take whatever shit they want because they’re super-Confederates who only believe in the power of county sheriffs and their own weapon stockpiles.

Supersmall government, fuck yeah!

It’s not like they have much choice in the matter. Neo-confederacy is alive and well and growing in influence at NRO, especially in the commentariat.

207 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:30:20pm

re: #197 The Ghost of a Flea

On further perusal of Kevin D WIlliamson article, fuck Kevin D WIlliamson and his glib appropriation of the massacre at Jalilanwala Bagh.

Also, fuck the continuing motif of pretending that the armed men who planned ahead to be armed to meet the BLM; openly threatened violence before the BLM arrived; and continue to issue threats, creating a standoff, are somehow comparable to unarmed protestors from civil rights struggles around the world.

As if any of these people would have actually stood with a little poor brown man who tried to organize labor protests.

I never got that either. These guys love to liken people like Bundy to actual victims of oppression but when the time comes to stand with actual victims of ppression, they ain’t there and I hate to bring it up again but NRO does have many writers that have expressed sympathy for white supremacy and their own founder did believe the tripe about Civil Rights being a communist subversive operation. Sure WFB wasn’t anti-intellectual and that’s nice to know in this day of increasing hostility to intellectualism by conservatives but it doesn’t matter a damn thing if you’re championing shitty ideas and shitty people.

208 teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2014 9:31:02pm

The distrust for government is evident and sometimes hostile from my observations on my end. Though I’m sheltered by the “Never Never Land” bubble that is the ski town, so the violent rhetoric against government is kind of non-existent. Kind of hard to complain about the government when we’re executing miles of schusses and feasting our eyes with Earth’s best violent geology.

209 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:31:48pm

re: #205 Kragar

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When my grandfather was a field examiner in the early years of the NLRB, he got his fair share of threats I imagine. Ideally, you’d like them not to be armed but at the same time, you’d like fucking wingnut assholes not to threaten people over just doing their job.

210 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:33:10pm
211 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 9:33:12pm

re: #200 darthstar

If you want to stop these assholes from taking up arms against our government, you need to make an example of the fuckers. Not all of them…just one or two of them. Just have someone say over the loudspeakers, “Hey assholes…you’re violating the law and threatening officers with weapons. Put down your guns and surrender or face the same fate as that asshole right there sitting on the tailgate of his dodge…boom!…or that asshole with the coors light and the knock-off assault rifle from Wal-Mart…boom!…any questions?”

Mass surrender in 15 seconds.

In that scenario, your own guy would be dead before he finished, when their snipers blew his head off. Then lots of self loading rifles with with 30-round mags get fired in both directions at close range.

Result: Bloodbath with heavy losses on both sides.

Thanks but no thanks.

212 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 17, 2014 9:35:36pm

Blues win 4-3; early in the 3rd OT.

213 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 9:35:39pm

re: #205 Kragar

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I often say the same when some asked why the police need armored vehicles.

214 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 9:37:04pm

And the Blues beat the Blackhawks 4-3 in triple overtime.

215 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 9:37:39pm
216 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:37:54pm

re: #210 Gus

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Portrait of Putin’s Tool as a Young Man?

217 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:38:38pm

re: #215 jaunte

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This is the problem with rambling against regulations and not realizing that “Hey, maybe regulations prevent some pretty nasty shit from happening.”

218 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 9:38:48pm
219 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:39:49pm

If Obama were the tyranty tyrant they fanatize him to be. Mr. Bundy would be dead right now or in a camp.

220 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 9:41:23pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

If Obama were the tyranty tyrant they fanatize him to be. Mr. Bundy would be dead right now or in a camp.

If only Bundy had paid off Harry Reid, then all his problems would have gone away.

LOL

221 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:42:05pm

Today’s ranking of the world’s richest people

222 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:42:34pm

re: #220 Kragar

If only Bundy had paid off Harry Reid, then all his problems would have gone away.

LOL

Yeah I saw that. Maybe Bundy should follow the frigging law.

223 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:43:01pm

In the end. It’s all one big joke.

224 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:44:04pm

re: #221 Gus

Today’s ranking of the world’s richest people

I don’t think it’s human not to look at that kind of wealth and not get jealous. I mean when you’re a billionaire like that, that’s literally wipe your ass with bills type of money.

225 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 9:45:04pm
226 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:45:39pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I don’t think it’s human not to look at that kind of wealth and not get jealous. I mean when you’re a billionaire like that, that’s literally wipe your ass with bills type of money.

I don’t feel jealous. I just think humans and civilization is one big freaking joke sometimes.

227 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 9:45:46pm

re: #220 Kragar

If only Bundy had paid off Harry Reid the BLM, then all his problems would have gone away.

Altered to make a point.

228 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:46:43pm

re: #226 Gus

I don’t feel jealous. I just think humans and civilization is one big freaking joke sometimes.

Maybe jealously isn’t the right word. It’s crazy to me to see individuals worth then whole generations of families have been worth for a life time. But yeah it does make you a little cynical I guess.

229 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:46:47pm

Primates.

230 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 9:48:06pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I don’t think it’s human not to look at that kind of wealth and not get jealous. I mean when you’re a billionaire like that, that’s literally wipe your ass with bills type of money.

I don’t get jealous of it. I also don’t see any way such concentrations of wealth can be justified, especially with insufficiently effective collection of estate taxes to dissipate the inherited aristocracy effect.

231 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Apr 17, 2014 9:49:36pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

I’m not sure why you would defend something that you concede was mostly wrong. But the casual claim that Holder’s treatment is business-as-usual does require some sort of back up.

Of course Holder is being used a a rallying point for RWNJs because he’s black. They would be stupid not to. That shit sells. And you know it.

232 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 9:49:55pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Altered to make a point.

Paying off the BLM seems so terribly onerous when its going rates for cattle grazing fees appear to be at least 10x less than the state of NV charges.

233 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:50:25pm

re: #230 EPR-radar

I don’t get jealous of it. I also don’t see any way such concentrations of wealth can be justified, especially with insufficiently effective collection of estate taxes to dissipate the inherited aristocracy effect.

True, it’s pretty insane knowing that select individuals have more wealth than whole percentages of people and I have to say I really don’t like that if we question that tidbit, we’re labeled as somehow not being American or socialist. I am glad that we don’t have an official established aristocracy like say the UK does where we have “lords” who get their position because their great great great great grandfather was an important man.

234 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 17, 2014 9:50:31pm

Something I’m going to keep belaboring:

The people who keep talking about fighting “The Government” routinely conflate

the actual Weberian-monopoly-of-violence of the US federal and state governments

with

any and all people and institutions that are not their brand of paleoconservative.

Keep this in mind when they start talking about how they need to protect themselves, or about the inevitable violent struggle they’re preparing for.

235 teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2014 9:52:06pm
236 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 9:55:50pm
237 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 9:56:34pm

re: #234 The Ghost of a Flea

Something I’m going to keep belaboring:

The people who keep talking about fighting “The Government” routinely conflate

the actual Weberian-monopoly-of-violence of the US federal and state governments

with

any and all people and institutions that are not their brand of paleoconservative.

Keep this in mind when they start talking about how they need to protect themselves, or about the inevitable violent struggle they’re preparing for.

I think the most salient point about bellyaching about Federal over-reach with talk of nullification etc. is that it has come to a peak precisely twice in US history —- the Civil War era and the Civil rights era.

So I view all such rhetoric as neo-confederate or worse.

238 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 9:56:50pm

And there’s “Gus_807” in my mentions. So weird.

239 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 9:58:52pm

re: #237 EPR-radar

I think the most salient point about bellyaching about Federal over-reach with talk of nullification etc. is that it has come to a peak precisely twice in US history —- the Civil War era and the Civil rights era.

So I view all such rhetoric as neo-confederate or worse.

It often accompanies the feds getting involved in breaches of human and civil rights i.e. slavery and civil rights as you say. We’ve also seen it rise as the federal judiciary involves itself in the same sex marriage discussion too which is also a civil rights issue. It’s right to see it as being neo-confederate because frankly it is.

240 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 10:00:03pm

The stalkers are like Westboro Baptist Church.

241 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 10:00:29pm
242 Ming  Apr 17, 2014 10:01:15pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

There’s nothing to debate here.

NRO hits another low. Sure, let’s debate whether or not the rule of law is a good thing. Talk amongst yourselves!

243 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 10:01:16pm

And blocked that stupid fucker

244 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 10:01:16pm

I was reading though a blurb about Savannah, Georgia in the antebellum South and it got me thinking about how flawed this states rights and weak federal government view really is. Apparently, before the Civil War a lot of states had their own currency and such. Can you imagine the chaos that would bring? I mean there are some things that are better situated locally of course but the idea that everything works better locally because federal government boogeyman blah blah is just foolishness at its core.

245 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 10:01:19pm

If I died tomorrow they’d show up at my funeral if they could. :D

246 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 10:05:00pm

I’m all politicked out tonight though. So OT has anyone watched TURN yet? New show on AMC about America’s first spy ring during the Revolution. Pretty interesting stuff. I remember the lead actor, Jamie Bell in the movie Billy Eillott but he also played one of the Bielski brothers in Defiance, one of my favorite WWII movies of the past 10 years too. Going to check out Fargo tomorrow.

247 dog philosopher  Apr 17, 2014 10:06:30pm

i’m definitely pro-bunny

especially if it involves something called the bunny ranch

248 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 10:11:22pm

Elton John - Rocket Man

Youtube Video

249 Dark_Falcon  Apr 17, 2014 10:12:20pm

After midnight here, and I’ve got to go to work tomorrow. I haven’t said it before now, because I wanted to wait a few days, but I did find a new job.

So wish me continuing luck at it if it pleases you to do so, and Good Night.

250 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 10:13:38pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Good luck!

251 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 10:14:46pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

After midnight here, and I’ve got to go to work tomorrow. I haven’t said it before now, because I wanted to wait a few days, but I did find a new job.

So wish me continuing luck at it if it pleases you to do so, and Good Night.

Sure, good luck with the new job. Hope it works out well for you.

252 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 10:17:44pm
253 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 10:21:06pm

re: #252 Gus

their permit fee was raised once again - to $9,000.

That’s a shame. Pocket change to any number of SF residents.

254 sagehen  Apr 17, 2014 10:28:08pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I’m all politicked out tonight though. So OT has anyone watched TURN yet? New show on AMC about America’s first spy ring during the Revolution. Pretty interesting stuff. I remember the lead actor, Jamie Bell in the movie Billy Eillott but he also played one of the Bielski brothers in Defiance, one of my favorite WWII movies of the past 10 years too. Going to check out Fargo tomorrow.

I’ve been watching Turn, finding it mediocre so far but holding out hope for improvement.

Fargo is awesome. It does an excellent job of recreating the mood/tropes/archtypal characters of the movie, then takes it up a notch. Martin Freeman and Billy Bob Thornton are excellent.

255 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 10:30:40pm

re: #252 Gus

Col bleu is so… 20th century.

We’re in the post-industrial age now, where the only thing bleu is the little Twitter symbol.

256 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 10:31:12pm

Anybody else play Little Inferno? The critique / criteria of modern gaming is sharp, hilarious and yet affective. It really tries to make the player confront how they’re spending their time, but somehow the sarcasm and message, which is both blunt and to the point somehow comes off more touching, hopeful and uplifting than preachy. I’ve really never seen anything like it.

Plus, all the fun of burning stuff. Firefirefire!

257 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 10:31:56pm

I posted this on FB after a couple times of my WIngnut cousin posting shit from Conservative sites supporting Bundy:

A couple thoughts on Cliven Bundy.

First, the Federal Government - meaning all of us - has owned the land in question since long before Bundy’s family arrived. Nevada, in becoming a state, specifically and in writing, renounced any future claim to that and other Federal lands.

Second, the grazing fees were instituted by Ronald Reagan in 1986, by Executive Order. Bundy stopped paying them in 1993.

Third, Bundy claims not to recognize the authority of the US Government, and for that he’s made a hero. He does not understand the nature of self-government. We all agree to abide by the rules we’ve laid down in the Constitution, the laws passed under its authority, and the interpretations of those laws by the courts. There is no ‘opt out’ that does not involve leaving. If you don’t like the laws, or how they’re interpreted, you may speak out, protest, support the election of those who agree with you. You may even engage in civil disobedience, accepting the consequences of breaking laws you think unjust to highlight that injustice.

What you may NOT do is flout those laws with impunity, backed up by the threat of violence. That is simple outlawry.

Cliven Bundy owes us at least $300,000. He is a cheat and a moocher, and has in essence renounced his citizenship. Think about that, the next time you are inclined to ‘like’ something from the Wingnut Wurlitzer.

258 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 10:34:39pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I’m all politicked out tonight though. So OT has anyone watched TURN yet? New show on AMC about America’s first spy ring during the Revolution. Pretty interesting stuff. I remember the lead actor, Jamie Bell in the movie Billy Eillott but he also played one of the Bielski brothers in Defiance, one of my favorite WWII movies of the past 10 years too. Going to check out Fargo tomorrow.

Wasn’t he was also in Jumper and The Eagle? I watched the first episode of Turn and was left hoping for more. The pacing was kind of slow and deliberate, and there were hardly any giant robots in it at all.

259 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 10:35:31pm

re: #255 freetoken

Col bleu is so… 20th century.

We’re in the post-industrial age now, where the only thing bleu is the little Twitter symbol.

Erik Spiekermann RT’d it. Thought it was pretty good.

260 freetoken  Apr 17, 2014 10:45:10pm

re: #259 Gus

Erik Spiekermann RT’d it. Thought it was pretty good.

It’s a compelling story, but I doubt if SF in the big picture will change back to what people want it to be. So much of California has changed as we’re now a century into the massive population boom. San Diego isn’t what it used to be back after WWII when my mother lived here. So much has changed. It used to be a beautiful little city surrounded by quaint towns - now it’s part of the massive conurbation that stretches from Tijuana to Santa Barbara.

Like some of San Franciscans who mourn the loss of Jimmy’s Old Car Picnic, I mourn the loss of the local fruit trees. The “Avocado belt” used to be packed with all the fresh produce one could imagine. These days if there is a fruit tree still standing the real estate business comes in and mows it down to put in a swimming pool and some ugly McMansion.

Life isn’t what it used to be.

261 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 10:51:24pm

re: #260 freetoken

It’s a compelling story, but I doubt if SF in the big picture will change back to what people want it to be. So much of California has changed as we’re now a century into the massive population boom. San Diego isn’t what it used to be back after WWII when my mother lived here. So much has changed. It used to be a beautiful little city surrounded by quaint towns - now it’s part of the massive conurbation that stretches from Tijuana to Santa Barbara.

Like some of San Franciscans who mourn the loss of Jimmy’s Old Car Picnic, I mourn the loss of the local fruit trees. The “Avocado belt” used to be packed with all the fresh produce one could imagine. These days if there is a fruit tree still standing the real estate business comes in and mows it down to put in a swimming pool and some ugly McMansion.

Life isn’t what it used to be.

That’s why I’m in Denver.

262 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 11:00:06pm

re: #260 freetoken

Life isn’t what it used to be.

It never has been.

263 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 11:01:19pm

Lights match in heel of boot.

264 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 17, 2014 11:37:05pm

re: #260 freetoken

Life isn’t what it used to be.

Still, things are more like they are now than they ever have been…

265 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 11:39:16pm
266 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 12:07:39am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Altered to make a point.

Not much of one.

The federal grazing fees are $1.35 a head. Nevada’s fees are 11.5 times HIGHER than that. If he’d just paid the BLM from the start none of this shit would have happened.

267 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 12:17:06am

Stop with the facts and figures, stop quoting laws, regulation or Ronald Reagan’s executive orders.

We are dealing with a gut-level issue: namely that lots of people hate the Federal government, especially in its acronymic manifestations: IRS, CIA, NSA, ATF, OSHA, EPA, and BLM.

The wingnuts now have a poster child in Bundy, the BLM was wise to back down and avoid giving them a few stone-dead martyrs to rally around.

I am afraid that if we are faced with a real crisis (natural, man-made or a combination of both) and the government is compelled to declare martial law and send in armed troops/agents, then this little kerfuffle will turn out to have been tame in comparison. these over-weaponized goombahs are ready to turn vast areas of the US into Somalia in the name of Soverereign Citizenship.

268 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 12:25:43am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The escapism is strong with these wild-west types. They really don’t want to accept that the year is 2014, that they are surrounded by a nation of 330 million (and growing), and that life today isn’t, and can not be, what it was back in 1914.

269 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 12:27:41am

Back in the good ol’ days:

MP3 Audio

270 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 12:29:10am

Throw back the grog, and watch the ship sail.

271 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 1:20:34am

Late.

272 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 1:40:01am

Frazier Glenn Miller had been ruled out as a suspect in these shootings…

Suspect arrested in Kansas City highway shootings

bigstory.ap.org

273 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 1:43:34am
274 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 1:47:39am

re: #272 Justanotherhuman

re: #273 Justanotherhuman

Because we want to Annex the Eastern Ukraine just like we did Northern Mexico…

275 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 1:48:29am

re: #273 Justanotherhuman

Donetsk, Don’t tell.

276 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 1:52:34am

re: #275 EdDantes

Donetsk, Don’t tell.

Who put the yep in the Dnyepropetrovskaya?

277 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 1:53:12am

Time for Labour to get back to basics.

Ed Miliband signs up top Obama adviser David Axelrod for UK election
US president’s right-hand man, who masterminded back-to-back election wins, to sharpen Labour party focus on inequality

theguardian.com

278 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 1:55:04am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Who put the yep in the Dnyepropetrovskaya?

Who put the ram in the ramalamadingdong?

279 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 2:07:42am

Police say high school vice principal rescued from doomed South Korean ferry is found hanged - @AP
end of alert

280 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 2:09:02am

All were Sherpas, according to last report.

Everest accident ‘most deadly in mountain’s history’ as death toll in avalanche rises to nine - @AFP
see original on twitter.com

281 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 2:16:40am

re: #273 Justanotherhuman

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Interesting to see the Ne Boltai! poster there, the use is ironic considering the work’s history.

Now, at 85, Vatolina is tired of seeing one of the few pieces of her work that she is proud of used without her permission, and has begun several legal battles to regain some control over her creation.

The image of the woman — a bright red scarf on her head, the words “Ne Boltai” and the initials N.V. underneath — was painted in the summer of 1941, just weeks after Adolf Hitler shocked the Soviet Union by violating the two countries’ non-aggression pact and turning his Nazi troops against their erstwhile allies.

282 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 2:24:27am

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

Damn! Tragic loss.

283 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 2:25:30am

re: #282 EdDantes

Damn! Tragic loss.

There is nothing up on that mountain that anybody needs to get to…it was their own choice and their own self-assumed risk. Not tragic, just unfortunate.

284 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 2:33:02am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are kind of thinking the same way. The deaths were totally unnecessary and avoidable. The risk is fueled by rich bozos who want to have something to brag about. Sir Edmund Hillary said he was surprised that anyone would try to accomplish the same feat as him because it had already been done!

285 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 2:34:09am

Unholy crap…

Gold bars weighing 400g (14oz) removed from Indian man’s stomach in Delhi - @BBCNews
read more on bbc.com

286 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 2:41:59am

re: #285 Justanotherhuman

That’s nothing. I eat dark matter and poop gold bullion.

287 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 2:46:39am

re: #284 EdDantes

We are kind of thinking the same way. The deaths were totally unnecessary and avoidable. The risk is fueled by rich bozos who want to have something to brag about. Sir Edmund Hillary said he was surprised that anyone would try to accomplish the same feat as him because it had already been done!

My emphasis above.

And you have to beat Hillary’s time! Bragging rights is not what motivates most of us, thank goodness. But it is increasingly used by the highly competitive dudebros/entrepreneurs who have more money than they know what to do with and personally engage in such activities, such as space flight, just because they can afford to.

288 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 2:47:07am

Per CNN, the toll is up to twelve. All Sherpa guides.

cnn.com

289 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 2:50:54am
290 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 2:53:49am

I still remember 50 years ago, in elementary school, the name Tensing Norgay.

291 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 2:58:01am

re: #287 Justanotherhuman

My emphasis above.

And you have to beat Hillary’s time! Bragging rights is not what motivates most of us,

And if you want to brag about beating Hillary, then you have to do with with the equipment he had available in 1953…

292 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 3:14:07am

re: #291 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And if you want to brag about beating Hillary, then you have to do with with the equipment he had available in 1953…

Hillary Clinton? Yes, the Republicans will use 1953 equipment,

293 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 18, 2014 3:15:17am

re: #292 EdDantes

Hillary Clinton? Yes, the Republicans will use 1953 equipment,

The Republicans of today wouldn’t recognize Eisenhower. They’d castigate him as a lunatic lefty for his warnings about the military-industrial complex. If only Republicans today were an iota like Ike instead of the reactionary yahoos they are.

294 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 3:23:26am

re: #293 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Since Reagan left office the Republicans are unfocused and without direction. They seem to obsess on social issues and not understand that America is changing (for god or bad) and they need to recognize the change. Not necessarily accept it but acknowledge it!

295 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 18, 2014 3:36:17am

re: #294 EdDantes

Since Reagan left office the Republicans are unfocused and without direction. They seem to obsess on social issues and not understand that America is changing (for god or bad) and they need to recognize the change. Not necessarily accept it but acknowledge it!

Reagan obsessed about ‘social issues’, too. That’s post-Southern Strategy, so the GOP policy of blaming black people for poverty, the war on science—especially environmental science—had started. Reagan was better than the GOP of today, in that he at least recognized simple things like the virtue of unions, but he’s part of the problem, the invitation and celebration of the Christian far-right.

And I’d say modern Republicans do recognize America is changing: that’s why they constantly freak-out, attempting to stop gay marriage, to stop sex education being taught in schools. They’ve recognized it, and they’re fighting it in a wasteful and hopeless attempt to get back to an idealized era that never even existed in the first place.

296 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 3:37:03am

re: #179 Gus

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I just read that this Air Force vet looking for a job may still be prosecuted for felony child abuse by Bill Montgomery, the county attorney. Also, more than $100K has been raised for her use. I think if Mr. Montgomery wants to continue this farce in light of the Clouser case (and other whites who got off lightly), then he should be removed from office for racism. Ms. Taylor’s atty, I hope, will use this fact of racist prosecutions as an argument in the Taylor case.

BTW, I wonder how that white guy who admittedly molested a 4 yr old will be prosecuted? (See photo on same linked page.) “Johns was arrested on suspicion of one count of child molestation, according to the Sheriff’s Office.” The abuse went on for months (shouldn’t each separate incident be used as a count?), July through December, when visiting the home, but the poor guy was under the influence of alcohol and prescription drugs, and that’s his excuse. ///

azcentral.com

297 EdDantes  Apr 18, 2014 3:42:50am

Good night, all.

298 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 3:46:44am

re: #295 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Reagan obsessed about ‘social issues’, too.

He courted the Christian Right but quickly abandoned them as soon as Nancy’s house astrologer told her the time was right…

The Fundamentalists never forgave him for that and set about to take over the GOP and insinuate their people into all levels of government, education and public administration.

299 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 3:47:40am

Why are these people working to restore Russia’s puppet, the thieving Yanuk, to power? The answer is in the question.

East Ukraine militants snub Geneva deal on crisis

“Alexander Gnezdilov, spokesman for the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, said his group would evacuate the government building in the eastern city only when the “illegal” Kiev government vacated parliament and the presidential administration.”

(snip)

In other developments on Friday

The interior ministry in Kiev issued an arrest warrant for Olexander Yanukovych, the eldest son of fugitive ex-President Viktor Yanukovych and a millionaire businessman. The ex-president fled to Russia in February - it is not clear where he or Olexander are now. Olexander is wanted for alleged forgery of documents
Russian shares bounced back after the Geneva deal - the RTS index in Moscow was up 2.8% and the MICEX up 2.3%. They had slumped earlier in the week

bbc.com

300 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 4:01:12am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He courted the Christian Right but quickly abandoned them as soon as Nancy’s house astrologer told her the time was right…

The Fundamentalists never forgave him for that and set about to take over the GOP and insinuate their people into all levels of government, education and public administration.

I don’t think Reagan gave a flying fig about social issues, only as they related to his “vision” of giving business everything they wanted. I don’t even think he and Nancy were religious at all. Reagan owed businesses like GE a huge debt of gratitude for reviving his flagging career but who fired him in 1962 for saying the TVA was part of the problem of “big govt”. That TV exposure and his speaking gigs at many Rotary clubs and Moose lodged garnered him plenty of publicity for his burgeoning political career and helped him get elected gov of CA 4 yrs later.

301 sagehen  Apr 18, 2014 4:20:29am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is nothing up on that mountain that anybody needs to get to…it was their own choice and their own self-assumed risk. Not tragic, just unfortunate.

I bet the view is pretty terrific….

302 sagehen  Apr 18, 2014 4:25:41am

re: #295 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Reagan obsessed about ‘social issues’, too. That’s post-Southern Strategy, so the GOP policy of blaming black people for poverty, the war on science—especially environmental science—had started. Reagan was better than the GOP of today, in that he at least recognized simple things like the virtue of unions, but he’s part of the problem, the invitation and celebration of the Christian far-right.

And I’d say modern Republicans do recognize America is changing: that’s why they constantly freak-out, attempting to stop gay marriage, to stop sex education being taught in schools. They’ve recognized it, and they’re fighting it in a wasteful and hopeless attempt to get back to an idealized era that never even existed in the first place.

Reagan didn’t obsess over social issues; he made a cynical, pragmatic alliance with people who’d vote for him and pretend to accept his unChristian economics if he’d pay lip service to their sexual/racial obsessions.

Sadly, the “Christians” who registered and voted Republican as a bloc because they thought they’d get their social issues addressed, did such a good job of preaching obedience to the Republican party in all things there’s now more than a generation who that’s all the ever heard in Church, and they’ve now convinced each other that Jesus said lots of things he actually said the opposite of.

303 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 4:31:05am

re: #301 sagehen

I bet the view is pretty terrific….

You can get the same view from a plane, although not for as long. I’d just as soon see it in a photo as to go to the trouble of risking my life. But that’s just me.

304 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 4:37:02am

re: #301 sagehen

I bet the view is pretty terrific….

yep, to die for…

305 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 4:39:32am

Admit it, Eddie, you’re way out of your depth, which is about 1 inch—and I’m being generous.

Edward Snowden defends his question to Russian President Vladimir Putin about surveillance in @guardian op-ed piece: ‘I regret that my question could be misinterpreted, and that it enabled many to ignore the substance of the question - and Putin’s evasive response’
read more on theguardian.com

“The wording was deliberately modelled, Snowden says, on the query of US senator Ron Wyden to the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, in March last year – almost three months before the NSA disclosures began – to which Clapper blatantly and inaccurately denied that the US government collected data on millions on Americans.

“The question was intended to mirror the now infamous exchange between Senator Ron Wyden and DNI James Clapper… and to invite either an important concession or a clear evasion” from Putin, Snowden writes.

(snip)

“Even some Snowden supporters voiced unease at his participation in the event. Jillian York, the director of international free expression at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who has previously given numerous public talks in support of Snowden and the NSA revelations, tweeted: “Snowden’s question WAS softball. If he knows as much as he claims, he would’ve known that the wording gave Putin an easy out.”

306 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 4:44:00am

The meme on #tcot is HURR HURR!!!!! WHY IS TEH GOVT PERSECUTING TEH PATRIOTIC CLIVEN BUNDY WHEN ALL TEH ILLEGALS IS COMING ACROSSTEH BOARDER & NOBODY DOES NOTHIN’!!!!!!

307 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 4:51:14am

History repeats.

308 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 4:56:20am

re: #306 Pie-onist Overlord

The meme on #tcot is HURR HURR!!!!! WHY IS TEH GOVT PERSECUTING TEH PATRIOTIC CLIVEN BUNDY WHEN ALL TEH ILLEGALS IS COMING ACROSSTEH BOARDER & NOBODY DOES NOTHIN’!!!!!!

makes a good talking point, but like most talking points, it is devoid of nuance and ignores a lot of the surrounding situation…

309 Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2014 4:59:34am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

makes a good talking point, but like most talking points, it is devoid of nuance and ignores a lot of the surrounding situation…

Doesn’t really make a good talking point at all. It’s the childish “if everybody jumped, would you?” BS that we’re expected to grow out of by the time we’re adults. It should not matter what other people are doing, Bundy breaking the law is equally as wrong and if they’re as dedicated to law and order as they claim to be when opposing illegal immigration, then they should not be on his side. But they are, so it’s really just their hypocrisy on display, being okay with illegal acts because the actor is a white guy.

310 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 5:01:02am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

makes a good talking point, but like most talking points, it is devoid of nuance and ignores a lot of the surrounding situation…

Wingnuts lurvs ‘em some dichotomy, whether it makes sense or not.

311 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 5:02:05am

re: #309 Targetpractice

It makes a good RWNJ talking point: there is no comparison between a rancher who is too cheap to pay what he owes and people risking their lives fleeing poverty to try to find a (sub-) minimum-wage, menial job to support their families.

312 Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2014 5:08:50am

re: #311 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It makes a good RWNJ talking point: there is no comparison between a rancher who is too cheap to pay what he owes and people fleeing poverty to try to find a (sub-) minimum-wage, menial job to support their families.

Yeah, I was about to post a little earlier about that, I see that folks have sorta strayed off the path into arguments over how much the fees are and such. It’s a mistake to assume that Bundy’s position is one of principles or beliefs, when really it’s about greed. The man is as dedicated to “states rights” as the Koch brothers are, by which I mean he only see it as a convenient excuse for arguing that he should be able to do what he wants with public land and damn the consequences. If he could graze as big a herd as he liked on the land without any interference, he’d probably still be paying the fees. But the BLM imposing limits on how many head of cattle he can graze over so much land is why he’s flipped the finger to them and to the courts, not because the fees are too high or because of who owns the land.

313 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 5:13:24am

Talking point in a wingnutshell:
HURR HURR Y U GOIN AFTER TEH WHITE MAN SCOFFLAW, LOOK THEIR IS SUM BROWN-SKINNED SCOFFLAWS!!!!!!!

314 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 5:16:39am

White House updating online privacy policy

“Information you choose to share with the White House (directly and via third party sites) may be treated as public information,” the new policy says.

“The Obama administration also promises not to sell the data of online visitors. But it cannot make the same assurances for users who go to third-party White House sites on Facebook, Twitter or Google Plus.

“There will be no significant changes in actual practices under the new policy. But legal jargon and bureaucratic language has been stripped out, making it easier for readers to now understand that the White House stores the date, time and duration of online visits; the originating Internet Protocol address; how much data users transmit from whitehouse.gov to their computers; and more. The administration also tracks whether emails from the White House are opened, forwarded or printed.”

bigstory.ap.org

315 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 5:24:14am

re: #294 EdDantes

Since Reagan left office the Republicans are unfocused and without direction. They seem to obsess on social issues and not understand that America is changing (for god or bad) and they need to recognize the change. Not necessarily accept it but acknowledge it!

Adapt or die.

316 Eventual Carrion  Apr 18, 2014 5:26:44am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that. Maybe Bundy should follow the frigging law.

I can’t wait for the weather to break. I’m going to build a nice cabin beside Old Faithful, property tax free.

317 Eventual Carrion  Apr 18, 2014 5:31:25am

re: #236 Kragar

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318 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 5:31:31am

re: #294 EdDantes

Since Reagan left office the Republicans are unfocused and without direction. They seem to obsess on social issues and not understand that America is changing (for god or bad) and they need to recognize the change. Not necessarily accept it but acknowledge it!

It’s far deeper than that. The GOP’s problem is that they can’t handle change. AT ALL.

The GOP lost their way when the Cold War ended and the Soviet Union collapsed. It was much easier when the enemy was the commies. When everything became more nuanced, they started flailing around.

Think about it. By the time the Cold War ended in late 1991, the GOP had spent the better part of three decades pandering to an ignorant, bigoted, reactionary base that couldn’t handle things like the civil rights movement, and who considered any sort of desire for social change a communist plot.

The deep divisions among the right are best embodied by Perot’s candidacy in 1992. Looking back, he was the first Tea Party candidate. Perot drew almost exclusively from the GOP’s voter base. It wasn’t a coincidence. He exposed the divisions between the party establishment and the reactionary base they’d been trying to control to win elections. It’s only gotten worse since then.

Think of all the social and technological advancements of the last 20+ years, especially once the internet erased physical borders between people. Add in the very real undercurrent of racism, bigotry, and ignorance in the GOP that the establishment lost control of when Barack Obama got elected. It’s no wonder the GOP are the stupid party these days. They don’t know what else to do.

319 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 5:31:40am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

In that scenario, your own guy would be dead before he finished, when their snipers blew his head off. Then lots of self loading rifles with with 30-round mags get fired in both directions at close range.

Result: Bloodbath with heavy losses on both sides.

Thanks but no thanks.

It was a stupid fantasy post. I see that now. Must have had one drink too many last night…

320 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 5:32:02am

re: #316 Eventual Carrion

I can’t wait for the weather to break. I’m going to build a nice cabin beside Old Faithful, property tax free.

Put a fence around the geyser, and charge admission. Free enterprise!

321 Eventual Carrion  Apr 18, 2014 5:34:14am

re: #241 Kragar

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hey’re not criminals. Militias are more legal than BLM, in fact. They r explicitly approved by the Constitution.

Not ones that are not regulated by the government.

Why do they always start that amendment in the middle?

322 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 5:35:18am

re: #321 Eventual Carrion

Why do they always start that amendment in the middle?

Because context and nuance are the enemy.

323 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 5:36:20am

re: #318 Lidane

The deep divisions among the right are best embodied by Perot’s candidacy in 1992. Looking back, he was the first Tea Party candidate. Perot drew almost exclusively from the GOP’s voter base. It wasn’t a coincidence. He exposed the divisions between the party establishment and the reactionary base they’d been trying to control to win elections. It’s only gotten worse since then.

Perot was George Wallace, without the white sheet and cross burnings.

324 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 5:37:47am

re: #323 freetoken

Perot was George Wallace, without the white sheet and cross burnings.

Pretty much, yeah. He was Wallace in a tailored suit, and with a larger bankroll.

325 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 5:48:52am

WTFITS

326 Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2014 5:51:34am

re: #325 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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Headdesk

327 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 5:52:24am

re: #325 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s spin and Greenwald knows it. Edward Snowden asked an obvious, softball question that could be answered with a simple Google search. He gave Putin the setup for a talking point, and nothing more.

328 Eventual Carrion  Apr 18, 2014 5:52:36am

re: #325 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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A second “Hell yeah!” for propaganda to legitimize it. Staged drama can really pull a lot of people in. Makes it seem real, even when it is just a play for show.

329 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 5:53:01am

American national politics was never able to embrace the diversity of the nation if only two parties were to represent everybody.

This is the same problem all large nations’ politics have.

The US is the third most populous nation on the planet.

As a society we were founded by hyper-religious survivalists, escapists, and a few rich entrepreneurs thrown in. We grew our population quickly by importing slaves and the lower rungs of British society, who were all too willing to escape the hell-hole of Ireland (under English boots) or the impoverished towns of pre-industrial England.

The apples have not fallen far from the tree.

The mix of religiosity with inferiority-complex that we see in the tea-partying atavists can be traced back through our history. The Civil War was chocked full of not just hatred but also religion (much of which seems to be left out in contemporary discussions.) Our founding revolution/rebellion was a bloody mess of idealism and chaos. The preceding French and Indian wars demonstrated that European power struggles could be transplanted to a new continent. (BTW, I had two ancestors who died fighting that war.) Before that early colonists payed little regard to boundaries the British crown had settled upon, and were in constant conflict with natives.

That story is not the one in the self-serving paintings of Thomas Kinkade which the atavists use to persuade themselves of their righteous cause.

We are no worse than other people around the world, but we are no better either. And it is that latter point which cannot be accepted by so many who really, really want to believe myths.

Life used to be very hard. Then the industrial revolution happened, and the discovery of fossil fuels, and all of a sudden we didn’t have to spend every minute of daylight toiling outside.

Now we have a lot of play time, and I wonder if so much of the heat and angst we see in contemporary American politics and society isn’t some form of boredom aversion, trying to stir up some controversy to keep us fully engaged.

If the Bundys of our nation truly had to live off the land they’d die. They are pretenders, who live in a post-industrial world but like to play-act as if they were frontiersmen.

I don’t know, of course, what the future holds, but I doubt in a 100 years if we will have the luxury of entertaining these kind of foolish people.

330 b.d.  Apr 18, 2014 5:58:46am

re: #325 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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I think that after winning the Pulitzer Glenn donated his brain to science.

331 Amory Blaine  Apr 18, 2014 6:01:43am

That PRS is gorgeous. I’m dreaming of picking up a custom 24. Had 1in my cart at ebay the other day. Chickened out due to a nasty bout of pragmatism.

332 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 6:02:53am

re: #330 b.d.

I think that after winning the Pulitzer Glenn donated his brain to science.

Glenn won the Pulitzer? Or did he win the rubber chicken? (The Pullet Surprise)

333 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 18, 2014 6:09:34am

re: #325 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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No it’s called doing what his boss, Putin, tells him to do for propaganda purposes. Because if he stopped, he’d be shipped back to the US tomorrow.

334 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 6:13:58am
335 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 6:18:54am

re: #325 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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GG stroking his tool.

336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 6:19:13am

re: #334 Lidane

UPDATE: Following ThinkProgress report, Rep. Yoho reverses, now says he’s sure Civil Rights Act is constitutional

Thank god he finally cleared that up…

337 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 6:20:42am
338 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 6:22:11am
339 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 6:23:19am

re: #337 darthstar

Did GG win the Pulitzer, or was it The Guardian?

340 sattv4u2  Apr 18, 2014 6:25:45am

re: #338 darthstar

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The interruption wouldn’t be long. No mystery as to where the ferry is, therefore no need for CNN to trot out an endless conga line of “experts” (including a psychic) for a 24/ 7 speculation spectacular

341 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 6:30:53am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It’s Good Friday here, so the city is much more subdued than usual. Of course, that means that the vacuum must be taken up by the likes of Greenwald, or CNN’s bloviating coverage of two mysterious disasters - the ferry disaster in South Korea and the ongoing search for MH370.

Arrest warrants have been issued for some of the crew of that ferry, and reports also have indicated that the vice principal who was overseeing the students on board the doomed ferry committed suicide. Not counting the suicide, the death toll is now 28 and sure to rise as nearly 300 are still missing.

It’s rather funny to read at CNN that “misinformation fuels frustration”. That’s what CNN trades in these days. Forget hard news. It will report any rumor and innuendo and treat it all as breaking news.

That’s how it’s run its MH370 coverage, and it’s how it’s running the ferry disaster coverage as well. With no actual news, it’s falling back on opinionists who tread in speculation and with MH370, actively engage in conspiracy mongering in the absence of any hard facts.

342 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 6:31:35am
343 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 6:32:59am
344 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 6:33:05am

re: #340 sattv4u2

Nonsense.

CNN has trotted them out because they have to speculate on what happened, and how the ferry capsized, to say nothing of how and why the crew didn’t order evacuations sooner. And by the time they were given the order to evacuate, it was too late as the ship was listing too far to allow the lifeboats to be deployed.

CNN is really SNN - speculation news network. All speculation. All the time.

345 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 6:33:56am

Rand Paul, of course, just tells the middle class to go fuck itself, while doling out EVEN MOAR WELFARE to the super-rich.

346 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 6:35:01am

Dogs tracked mud, I mean wet muddy mud, into the house and into THE BED this morning.

How has your day been so far?

347 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 6:35:41am

re: #343 Pie-onist Overlord

Still waiting for Rand to quote Stormfront.

348 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 6:36:22am

Snowden retorts
Vladimir Putin must be called to account on surveillance just like Obama

I questioned the Russian president live on TV to get his answer on the record, not to whitewash him

349 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 6:36:40am

re: #330 b.d.

I think that after winning the Pulitzer Glenn donated his brain to science.

Well, he certainly wasn’t using it.

350 sattv4u2  Apr 18, 2014 6:37:04am

re: #344 lawhawk

But with survivors the ferry “mystery” will soon be solved (not to mention the biggest mystery, the where is it, need not be solved)

With the plane, not so much!

So again, the ferry story will be short lived

351 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 6:37:36am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

Snowden retorts
Vladimir Putin must be called to account on surveillance just like Obama

You abide.

352 sattv4u2  Apr 18, 2014 6:37:58am

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

Dogs tracked mud, I mean wet muddy mud, into the house and into THE BED this morning.

How has your day been so far?

Packing and getting ready for the long quiet drive FLIGHT home

353 b.d.  Apr 18, 2014 6:38:17am

Can’t wait for the swarming dudebros to badger Putin as much as they have badgered America.

354 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 6:39:41am

Looks like we are going to have Easter Showers in my part of the world.

355 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 6:40:38am

Mona Holland is like a kid turned loose in a candy store after discovering the stalkers.

356 sattv4u2  Apr 18, 2014 6:40:49am

heh

On the golf courses I play in/ around Myrtle Beach we have to keep an eye out for alligators

Now I have to worry about THIS

Larrazabal jumps into water to escape hornets

bigstory.ap.org

357 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 6:41:29am

Earlier I posted about the emerging “cloning” story, which I am still not sure is actually new news or recycled news.

Anyway, it’s still reverberating around the echo-sphere of the internet:

Should the U.S. to prohibit reproductive cloning?

Researchers have produced stem cell lines using somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT) from cells. This makes human reproductive cloning more technically feasible. Is this a good thing?
Not according to Marcy Darnovsky, PhD, executive director of the [url=geneticsandsociety.rsvp1.com t=_blank] Center for Genetics and Society, a public interest organization based in Berkeley, California. Talking to the Digital Journal, Darnovsky said: “No one wants to wake up to headlines that a rogue fertility doctor or scientist initiated a pregnancy with a cloned human embryo.”

[…]

The organization quoted, the “Center for Genetics and Society”, is constantly sending out press releases and getting themselves, somewhat reminiscent of the Discovery Institute, inserted into every story about genetics.

Thing is, this “center” has never approved of anything “genetics”. They are doggedly, religiously, anti-anything having to do with genetic engineering or even some uses of genetic testing. The are not a “think tank” but a dogma machine.

Unfortunately nay-sayers have an outsized influence on these things because people are afraid of what they don’t understand, and most people don’t know anything about “genetics” other than it sounds sci-fi.

358 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 6:44:38am

re: #355 Pie-onist Overlord

Mona Holland is like a kid turned loose in a candy store after discovering the stalkers.

She’s just another lonely voice on the internet defending the lover she’ll never have.

359 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 6:46:25am
360 Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2014 6:46:50am

re: #344 lawhawk

Nonsense.

CNN has trotted them out because they have to speculate on what happened, and how the ferry capsized, to say nothing of how and why the crew didn’t order evacuations sooner. And by the time they were given the order to evacuate, it was too late as the ship was listing too far to allow the lifeboats to be deployed.

CNN is really SNN - speculation news network. All speculation. All the time.

In fairness, why the crew didn’t issue an “abandon ship” order sooner is a damned good question, and I’m sure that question will come up in the (presumed) criminal trial of the ferry’s captain and officers for the South Korean equivalent of negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter.

361 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 6:49:10am

re: #356 sattv4u2

heh

On the golf courses I play in/ around Myrtle Beach we have to keep an eye out for alligators

Now I have to worry about THIS

Larrazabal jumps into water to escape hornets

bigstory.ap.org

Hey, you know the risks when you take up a treacherous sport like golf.

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362 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 6:50:14am

re: #350 sattv4u2

The Costa Concordia disaster is probably a good analog. There will be trials, and they will be heavily reported and publicized. But until that point, it will be weeks of dealing with the ship and recovering those who are now presumed missing.

363 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 6:50:19am

re: #360 Dr Lizardo

After the crash in SF last year, South Korea should tighten up training regulations for all commercial passenger crews. There was some speculation that the co-pilot of the plane might have been aware of the improper approach, but was reluctant to overrule his captain, because of traditional Asian pecking-order customs.

364 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 6:52:17am

re: #347 darthstar

Still waiting for Rand to quote Stormfront.

Rand has a home-state problem:

Kentucky Democrats Kill Rand Paul’s Plan To Run For President And Senate Simultaneously

politicususa.com

(It’s actually in a coma, not dead.)

365 sattv4u2  Apr 18, 2014 6:52:29am

re: #361 FemNaziBitch

Hey, you know the risks when you take up a treacherous sport like golf.

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A few weeks ago, a friend I was playing with sliced his tee shot into the trees to the right of the tee box. We heard the distinctive “KNOCK” of a golf ball hitting a tree trunk flush. A second later said ball was heading right back towards our skulls

366 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 6:52:43am

Garcia Marquez, Nobel laureate, dies at 87

:(

367 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 6:53:32am

re: #365 sattv4u2

A few weeks ago, a friend I was playing with sliced his tee shot into the trees to the right of the tee box. We heard the distinctive “KNOCK” of a golf ball hitting a tree trunk flush. A second later said ball was heading right back towards our skulls

Those tiny projectiles in untrained hands … .

368 b.d.  Apr 18, 2014 6:53:47am

PUTIN WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO RESIGN AFTER SNOWDEN GOT HIM WITH THAT TRAP QUESTION!!

369 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 6:54:17am

re: #365 sattv4u2

A few weeks ago, a friend I was playing with sliced his tee shot into the trees to the right of the tee box. We heard the distinctive “KNOCK” of a golf ball hitting a tree trunk flush. A second later said ball was heading right back towards our skulls

Check some national stats. Golf is one of the most dangerous sports because of ball strikes, club strikes, and lightning strikes.

370 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 6:54:24am

Peru evacuates Ubinas volcano area after ash cloud

371 sattv4u2  Apr 18, 2014 6:56:41am

re: #367 FemNaziBitch

Those tiny projectiles in untrained hands … .

You been talking to my wife??

372 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 6:57:42am

Fake cash put at 10m euros seized in County Dublin

373 sattv4u2  Apr 18, 2014 6:57:59am

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Check some national stats. Golf is one of the most dangerous sports because of ball strikes, club strikes, and lightning strikes.

Youtube Video

374 darthstar  Apr 18, 2014 7:01:51am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

Snowden retorts
Vladimir Putin must be called to account on surveillance just like Obama

“Edward Snowden wrote for the Guardian through the Freedom of the Press Foundation”

375 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 7:03:01am

re: #374 darthstar

“Edward Snowden wrote for the Guardian through the Freedom of the Press Foundation”

Riiigghhtt.

For western consumption only.

376 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 7:03:39am

re: #373 sattv4u2

sportsinjurybulletin.com

This is sports med oriented, so it doesn’t even address lightning. Some of our Army courses are in climates that forced them to put in elaborate storm tracking systems. There’s something about standing in an open field with a metal stick over your head while digging into moist earth with metal shoe cleats.

377 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 7:04:46am
378 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 7:06:26am

re: #377 lawhawk

A Map of all the Places in the U.S. Where Nobody Lives

Ssshh.. That’s for the FEMA camps.

379 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 7:06:30am

re: #374 darthstar

“Edward Snowden wrote for the Guardian through the Freedom of the Press Foundation”

WikiLeaks/Snowden/GReenwald, et al are sophisticated enough of an operation to vet things through a public relations department. Gotta make sure things are spun for maximum impact.
I have to wonder if Snowden could have refused Putin’s request to be a propaganda prop or if he was given an offer he couldn’t refuse.

380 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 7:07:42am

re: #377 lawhawk

Sorry, but I disagree with the assertion.

Many people live in those areas.

What the creator of that map has done is use an arbitrary definition of “empty”. If some farmer or rancher has a big enough piece of land then parts of that land will simply show up as “empty” on that map, because of the distances between the dwelling and the next dwelling are far enough apart to pass as “empty”.

381 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 7:07:52am

re: #378 Decatur Deb

Ssshh.. That’s for the FEMA camps.

And the secret reptilian lairs.

382 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 7:08:52am

re: #373 sattv4u2

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THE HUMAN BACK WAS NOT DESIGNED TO PLAY GOLF.

383 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 7:08:54am

re: #381 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

And the secret reptilian lairs.

Gotta refuel the chemtrails aircraft someplace.

384 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 7:09:37am

re: #377 lawhawk

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Coincidentally, that’s where all the Romney votes came from!

385 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 7:09:43am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

THE HUMAN BACK WAS NOT DESIGNED TO PLAY GOLF.

Or to walk upright.

386 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 7:09:44am

re: #375 Justanotherhuman

Riiigghhtt.

For western consumption only.

I think that’s a fair estimation, the op ed wasn’t published by the Russian language version of the Moscow times. What about Putin’s Q&A? Who was the target audience? I’m guessing that was for Russian Domestic purposes.

387 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 7:13:11am
389 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 7:15:05am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

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Are you telling me there is, actually, hope?

390 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 7:15:56am

Ugh…

391 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 7:16:04am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

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This guy is by far by favorite
José Mujica

392 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 7:16:09am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

Progress

393 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 7:16:11am

re: #380 freetoken

The map is based on a census map, so if there’s a single person within that census zone, it’s not shaded. Some parts are empty because they fall within national parks/monuments or federal or state lands.

Is it possible that the census block is contained within a ranch or farm that separates its owners by enough distance so as to be “empty”? Possibly, especially out west, but the population density out West is far lower than in the East or the West coast.

Nighttime satellite imagery would also tend to support this particular finding.

394 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 7:20:19am
395 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 7:25:03am

re: #394 NJDhockeyfan

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That’s some Teaparty-quality art, there. We should give them visas so they can support the 16 May American Spring march. It’ll be hard to equip all 10 million marchers with Typos from Kinko’s.

396 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 7:29:31am

re: #379 Killgore Trout

I have to wonder if Snowden could have refused Putin’s request to be a propaganda prop or if he was given an offer he couldn’t refuse.

Please. It was a condition of his amnesty in Russia.

Snowden did his part. He lobbed an obvious softball at Putin to set up the talking point, and now he’s got the byline on the obligatory spin job op-ed saying he’s not a Putin stooge.

397 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 7:35:04am
398 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 7:35:46am

re: #395 Decatur Deb

That’s some Teaparty-quality art, there. We should give them visas so they can support the 16 May American Spring march. It’ll be hard to equip all 10 million marchers with Typos from Kinko’s.

Seems to be Tea Party like thought too. So Obama’s Hitler, a Soviet, and Tymoshenko?

399 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 7:36:25am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Over the years, I feel more and more affinity for this kind of music — simple, heartfelt, very little production.

My ideal movie has gradually shifted over the past ~20 years from “Episode IV” to “The Straight Story”.

400 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 7:36:34am

re: #397 Lidane

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It’s been their sport of choice as long as I’ve been paying attention to politics and it’s a good part of why I’ve viewed them to be assholes from an early age.

401 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 7:39:08am

re: #359 darthstar

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He actually went there with a Chapquaddick reference? Wow he’s an even more pathetic dick than I thought.

402 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 7:42:11am

re: #396 Lidane

Please. It was a condition of his amnesty in Russia.

Snowden did his part. He lobbed an obvious softball at Putin to set up the talking point, and now he’s got the byline on the obligatory spin job op-ed saying he’s not a Putin stooge.

If he *was* a Putin stooge, why his interrogation of Putin would have had no value!

So it’s just as well he is able to reassure us that no, he is indeed a free-thinking individual with real concerns about privacy. In Russia.

403 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2014 7:43:03am

Preliminarily a 7.5 magnitude.

404 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 7:43:42am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Preliminarily a 7.5 magnitude.

That ain’t good especially in a densely populated area like Mexico City.

405 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2014 7:43:42am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Preliminarily a 7.5 magnitude.

earthquake.usgs.gov

406 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 7:44:49am
407 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2014 7:45:17am

Epicenter is Guerrero, Mexico.

408 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 7:46:41am
409 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 7:47:30am

Pro tip: If you think this is a legitimate conversation that you should be having, you fail at life.

410 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 7:48:51am

Another person failing at life:

411 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 7:48:55am
412 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 7:49:49am

re: #410 Lidane

Another person failing at life:

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I think someone predicted that last night. I’ll put this out here now so I can collect now, i totally expect someone to slam the Clintons for being pro-choice and expressing excitement about having a grandchild.

413 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 7:51:24am

re: #411 NJDhockeyfan

Ah, shit. That’s horrible.

414 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 7:52:56am

re: #413 Lidane

Ah, shit. That’s horrible.

The driver must have ducked pretty fast to avoid decapitaion.

415 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 7:54:11am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

I think someone predicted that last night. I’ll put this out here now so I can collect now, i totally expect someone to slam the Clintons for being pro-choice and expressing excitement about having a grandchild.

416 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 7:54:41am

As always, NOT The Onion:

Creationist Carl Kerby insists dinosaurs were on Noah’s Ark: They took the younger ones

Speaking to Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association on Thursday, Carl Kerby insisted it wasn’t infeasible for the giant reptilian creatures to have been on Noah’s Ark. The self-described “creation scientist” said he had debunked the notion that two of every animal could not have possibly fit on Noah’s Ark.

[…]

“I see some people that like to mock and ridicule, especially about the dinosaurs, how did they put the big old dinosaurs on there?” he said. “Well, I would suggest to you they didn’t take the big old dinosaur — they would have taken the younger ones. You think of a guy like me, if you’re going to go repopulate a planet, you’re not taking me with you. I’m old. My repopulating days are done. You take my son or my grandson. My grandson is a whole lot smaller than I am.”

I find it personally offensive that this dipshit calls himself a “scientist”.

417 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 7:54:57am

re: #415 Pie-onist Overlord

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I think they don’t understand what Pro-Choice actually means just like everything else. Agh.

418 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 7:55:35am

re: #417 HappyWarrior

I think they don’t understand what Pro-Choice actually means.

BINGO

419 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 7:57:04am

re: #418 FemNaziBitch

BINGO

I imagine what pro-choice mothers like yourself, VB, and the other mothers here really resent is this bullshit that pro-choice women hate children. That’s the kind of shit that made me despise the “pro-life” movement when I first heard about the issue.

420 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 7:57:17am
421 brennant  Apr 18, 2014 7:57:21am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

I think someone predicted that last night. I’ll put this out here now so I can collect now, i totally expect someone to slam the Clintons for being pro-choice and expressing excitement about having a grandchild.

These people are also known as dickheads.

422 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 7:57:42am

Cheeez, Chelsea Clinton is 34 yrs old. You’d think the RWNJs would be saying, “It’s about time she started pumping kids out”.

423 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 7:58:04am

re: #414 NJDhockeyfan

The driver must have ducked pretty fast to avoid decapitaion.

Wait, the driver of that car is alive? Wow.

424 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 7:59:04am

re: #416 Dr. Matt

As always, NOT The Onion:

Creationist Carl Kerby insists dinosaurs were on Noah’s Ark: They took the younger ones

I find it personally offensive that this dipshit calls himself a “scientist”.

Image: the_land_before_time.jpg
Here they are about to board the ark.

425 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 7:59:58am

re: #419 HappyWarrior

I imagine what pro-choice mothers like yourself, VB, and the other mothers here really resent is this bullshit that pro-choice women hate children. That’s the kind of shit that made me despise the “pro-life” movement when I first heard about the issue.

Yes…as a feminist and single mother of 2 sons, I totally hated having to pitch in and raise my 2 grandchildren and now, one of my great-grandchildren.

I love kids or I wouldn’t have so much joy in my life right now. : )

426 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 8:01:31am

re: #423 Lidane

Wait, the driver of that car is alive? Wow.

I spoke too soon. Don’t know yet but I bet they would have covered that side of the car with a sheet to hide body parts if the driver was still in there.

427 Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2014 8:01:50am

Good Everest site.

mountainguides.com

428 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:01:53am

re: #425 Justanotherhuman

Yes…as a feminist and single mother of 2 sons, I totally hated having to pitch in and raise my 2 grandchildren and now, one of my great-grandchildren.

I love kids or I wouldn’t have so much joy in my life right now. : )

Seriously, I just despise that and don’t get me started on what they say about how pro-choice people view children with Downs. That one was personal for me given my great aunt.

429 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:02:48am

re: #427 Stanley Sea

Good Everest site.

mountainguides.com

Man, that’s something I’d love to do. Alas heart condition, flat footed, and just plain old lazy but Mount Everest would be amazing to see in the flesh.

430 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2014 8:03:33am

re: #422 Justanotherhuman

Cheeez, Chelsea Clinton is 34 yrs old. You’d think the RWNJs would be saying, “It’s about time she started pumping kids out”.

We don’t need no more useless socialist babies!!

431 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 8:04:38am

This RWNJ meme that pro-choice women MUST ALL HAVE ABORSHUNZ comes from Rush.

432 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:05:36am

re: #415 Pie-onist Overlord

the concept of INDIVIDUAL CHOICE really eludes them, doesn’t it?

433 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 8:05:58am

The driver is still alive…

434 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:06:12am

re: #431 Pie-onist Overlord

This RWNJ meme that pro-choice women MUST ALL HAVE ABORSHUNZ comes from Rush.

What’s messed up is pretty much every Republican first lady in recent memory has been pro-choice. Betty Ford was and a supporter of the ERA, Don’t know about Nancy Reagan but both President Reagan’s daughters were, and both Barbara and Laura Bush are too.

435 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 8:06:17am

Putin’s boys respectfully decline offer to behave themselves

Ukraine separatists reject diplomatic deal to disarm

436 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 8:08:16am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

What’s messed up is pretty much every Republican first lady in recent memory has been pro-choice. Betty Ford was and a supporter of the ERA, Don’t know about Nancy Reagan but both President Reagan’s daughters were, and both Barbara and Laura Bush are too.

If I recall correctly, both of dubyah’s daughters are pro-choice as well.

437 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:08:31am

re: #432 FemNaziBitch

the concept of INDIVIDUAL CHOICE really eludes them, doesn’t it?

What upsets me is they proclaim to hate abortion yet want to make contraception this evil thing. It’s their puritanism but yet they’re okay with guys fucking around as much as they like. I believe Hannity had a guest on who said that clearly the young women who go to places like Cancun for Spring Break have parents that don’t love them but he would have no problem with his son going there.

438 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 8:09:10am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

What’s messed up is pretty much every Republican first lady in recent memory has been pro-choice. Betty Ford was and a supporter of the ERA, Don’t know about Nancy Reagan but both President Reagan’s daughters were, and both Barbara and Laura Bush are too.

It’s not messed up if you remember that we’re dealing with stone reactionaries, which none of those women were.

439 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:10:01am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

If I recall correctly, both of dubyah’s daughters are pro-choice as well.

Wouldn’t surprise me. McCain’s daughter Meaghan is too. And about the late Betty Ford, she not only was pro-choice, she was probably one of the biggest supporters of the ERA back in the day. Ironically the only first lady that I know of that was anti-choice post Roe was in fact Rosslyn Carter.

440 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 8:10:54am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

What upsets me is they proclaim to hate abortion yet want to make contraception this evil thing. It’s their puritanism but yet they’re okay with guys fucking around as much as they like. I believe Hannity had a guest on who said that clearly the young women who go to places like Cancun for Spring Break have parents that don’t love them but he would have no problem with his son going there.

This RWNJ meme:
HURR HURR BUT NO BIRTH CONTROLS FOR U SLUTZ!!!!!

441 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:11:32am

re: #438 Justanotherhuman

It’s not messed up if you remember that we’re dealing with stone reactionaries, which none of those women were.

Well I’m saying it’s messed up that they say these kind of things about pro-choice women while the very daughters and wives of guys they’ve supported for president have been pro-choice. That’s what’s messed up. Claiming to venerate Ronald Reagan but claiming his daughters supported murder because she was pro-choice.

442 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2014 8:13:01am
443 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:13:02am

re: #440 Pie-onist Overlord

This RWNJ meme:

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But yet abortion is murder. Fucking hypocrites. You can’t complain about poor people having children and then deny them choice.

444 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 8:13:51am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

It’s simple. The RWNJs yearn for the era where women should be 1) wearing full length dresses, 2) subservient to men, 3) housewives, 4) baby factories, and 5) silent unless spoken to.

445 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:14:44am

re: #444 Dr. Matt

It’s simple. The RWNJs yearn for the era where women should be 1) wearing full length dresses, 2) subservient to men, 3) housewives, 4) baby factories, and 5) silent unless spoken to.

I know what it is and it’s disgusting. These people are no different from Islamist clerics when it comes to women’s sexuality.

446 GunstarGreen  Apr 18, 2014 8:16:01am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

Seriously, I just despise that and don’t get me started on what they say about how pro-choice people view children with Downs. That one was personal for me given my great aunt.

Simply put, the anti-choice worldview (Republican worldviews in general, but we’re being specific here) does not work unless the “other side” (pro-choice) is understood as being composed of actual cartoon villains that jump at the slightest opportunity to terminate a pregnancy. Their opposition does not make sense if what they are opposing is the idea that people should be free to decide what happens to their body, one way or the other. Their opposition only works if they are opposing literal cartoon-level evil that wantonly kills babies for the sheer fun of it.

It is but one of the many reasons that I can have no respect for “pro life” types. Aside from the obvious hypocrisy — most “pro life” folks support the death penalty and are eager to go to war — the simple fact is that the kind of person that takes a “pro life” position is the kind of person that is incapable of functioning on an adult level of reasoning. They can’t think the issue through. Cannot. They have to see the other side as a bunch of caricatures in order to maintain their position.

447 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 8:16:01am

Don’t give me that patronizing shit, you reeking bag of fuck.

448 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:17:50am

re: #447 Pie-onist Overlord

Don’t give me that patronizing shit, you reeking bag of fuck.

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He’s another deluded soul who believes that Anti-Semitism is something that only Mooslams do.

449 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 18, 2014 8:17:56am

Happy Friday fellow Lizards

450 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 8:18:30am

Transnistria…

451 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 8:18:44am

re: #449 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Happy Friday fellow Lizards

Happy ‘Good Friday’ to any Lizard Catholics

452 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:18:58am

re: #446 GunstarGreen

Simply put, the anti-choice worldview (Republican worldviews in general, but we’re being specific here) does not work unless the “other side” (pro-choice) is understood as being composed of actual cartoon villains that jump at the slightest opportunity to terminate a pregnancy. Their opposition does not make sense if what they are opposing is the idea that people should be free to decide what happens to their body, one way or the other. Their opposition only works if they are opposing literal cartoon-level evil that wantonly kills babies for the sheer fun of it.

It is but one of the many reasons that I can have no respect for “pro life” types. Aside from the obvious hypocrisy — most “pro life” folks support the death penalty and are eager to go to war — the simple fact is that the kind of person that takes a “pro life” position is the kind of person that is incapable of functioning on an adult level of reasoning. They can’t think the issue through. >Cannot. They have to see the other side as a bunch of caricatures in order to maintain their position.

True. It’s a black and white way of looking at the world as they approach all other issues with cartoon villains and others.

453 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 8:20:59am

What my grandson has for his cell phone alarm…

myxer.com

454 GunstarGreen  Apr 18, 2014 8:21:07am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

I know what it is and it’s disgusting. These people are no different from Islamist clerics when it comes to women’s sexuality.

They don’t hate Shariah Law because it’s hideously backwards with regards to the rights of women. They hate it only because it venerates the wrong skydad.

455 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:22:18am

re: #454 GunstarGreen

They don’t hate Shariah Law because it’s hideously backwards with regards to the rights of women. They hate it only because it venerates the wrong skydad.

Yep. Scary to think about really and the fact that these people have politicians eager to do their bidding.

456 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:22:36am

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

The driver is still alive…

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OMG!

How does that even happen?

457 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 8:23:18am

re: #454 GunstarGreen

They don’t hate Shariah Law because it’s hideously backwards with regards to the rights of women. They hate it only because it venerates the wrong skydad.

Bingo. Shariah Law and Biblical Law are not that different from each other.

458 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:24:14am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t surprise me. McCain’s daughter Meaghan is too. And about the late Betty Ford, she not only was pro-choice, she was probably one of the biggest supporters of the ERA back in the day. Ironically the only first lady that I know of that was anti-choice post Roe was in fact Rosslyn Carter.

Rosalyn was probably the only first lady who had a husband who truly, truly respected her as a human being.

She probably never had a negative sexual experience with him 

459 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:25:43am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

But yet abortion is murder. Fucking hypocrites. You can’t complain about poor people having children and then deny them choice.

It’s the conceptual difference between:

Sex is part of marriage vs. Sex is part of LIFE.

It’s not a potentially expensive vice, only to be indulged in by those with resources …

460 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:25:55am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

I know what it is and it’s disgusting. These people are no different from Islamist clerics when it comes to women’s sexuality.

BINGO

461 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:26:04am

re: #458 FemNaziBitch

Rosalyn was probably the only first lady who had a husband who truly, truly respected her as a human being.

She probably never had a negative sexual experience with him 

Yeah I wasn’t knocking Mrs. Carter just for the record. She’s entitled to her belief. I just found it ironic given the RWNJs despise Carter and anything involving him. Their marriage is 68 years strong by the way too.

462 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:27:00am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

Happy ‘Good Friday’ to any Lizard Catholics

Good Friday is a day off of school (for those of us who went to RC school), nothing more.

463 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 8:27:46am

re: #416 Dr. Matt

As always, NOT The Onion:

Creationist Carl Kerby insists dinosaurs were on Noah’s Ark: They took the younger ones

I find it personally offensive that this dipshit calls himself a “scientist”.

One problem with this premise (aside from the obvious ones) is the growth rate of large animals when they are young. They were at sea for 40 days and 40 nights. A baby dinosaur could outgrow his pen pretty fast in a month and a half. Besides, babies of large animals are not exactly tiny. Take a baby elephant, for example.

Carl Kerby is not a scientist. Certainly not a zoologist, or anyone who has experience around horses and cattle.

464 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:27:49am

re: #454 GunstarGreen

They don’t hate Shariah Law because it’s hideously backwards with regards to the rights of women. They hate it only because it venerates the wrong skydad.

Same skydad …this is the low IQ nature of fundamentalists …

465 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 18, 2014 8:28:01am

So World Of Tanks just released 9.0 to include HD models of the tanks which look really nice, though the graphics update to the camo makes some of my german tanks look like they came from a deranged circus.

They also included a new mode “Historical mode” which allows you to re-fight battles such as The Battle of the Bulge with tanks used in the battle (complete with re-outfitting to the guns/ammo etc they had). I fought the battle on the german side yesterday on my Tiger II (AKA King Tiger). They scaled the sides so the Americans had a lot more tanks but they were mostly all Mediums and Tank Destroyers and all were definitely out matched just by me alone.

Probably won’t play that mode too often it’s kind of meh.

466 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:28:02am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

Yep. Scary to think about really and the fact that these people have politicians eager to do their bidding.

$$$$$/Power/Control

467 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:30:27am

re: #463 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

One problem with this premise (aside from the obvious ones) is the growth rate of large animals when they are young. They were at sea for 40 days and 40 nights. A baby dinosaur could outgrow his pen pretty fast in a month and a half. Besides, babies of large animals are not exactly tiny. Take a baby elephant, for example.

Carl Kerby is not a scientist. Certainly not a zoologist, or anyone who has experience around horses and cattle.

Not to mention that this would have been a Jurassic Park like situation with all those dinosaurs onboard.

468 Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2014 8:30:40am

It looks like the captain of the MV Sewol, the ferry which capsized off South Korea, has been arrested.

I hate linking to the Daily Mail Fail, but they’re splashing the story as their lede.

dailymail.co.uk

470 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:30:56am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

Not to mention that this would have been a Jurassic Park like situation with all those dinosaurs onboard.

RAPTORS!!!

471 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:31:53am

re: #470 FemNaziBitch

RAPTORS!!!

Yep or the one dinosaur that sprayed that venom in Newman’s face.

472 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 8:32:04am

re: #456 FemNaziBitch

OMG!

How does that even happen?

Incredible, look at this side view of that car.

473 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:32:42am

re: #469 FemNaziBitch

Blake Farenthold Introduces Bill To Withhold Eric Holder’s Paycheck

No, they’re not hateful assholes at all.

474 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 8:32:47am

re: #469 FemNaziBitch

Blake Farenthold Introduces Bill To Withhold Eric Holder’s Paycheck

Remind me again how this is Constitutional?

475 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 8:35:18am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

Not to mention that this would have been a Jurassic Park like situation with all those dinosaurs onboard.

Right. And what about the lions, tigers and bears (oh my)? What were they munching on for 40 days and 40 nights? Noah and crew would have been working day and night catching fish to keep those carnivores from eating everyone else.

476 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 8:35:58am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

Not to mention that this would have been a Jurassic Park like situation with all those dinosaurs onboard.

477 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 8:36:38am

478 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 8:37:05am

re: #469 FemNaziBitch

Blake Farenthold Introduces Bill To Withhold Eric Holder’s Paycheck

That bill is already dead anyway. I was more interested in this, and how low some people really can get to earn a buck. I’d work at WalMart first.

Second Fetish Model Arrested In Florida Animal Torture Case

huffingtonpost.com

WTF is wrong with people?

479 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 8:37:21am

480 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 8:37:46am

Creationists are just retconning the Bible.

481 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 8:39:36am

re: #469 FemNaziBitch

Blake Farenthold Introduces Bill To Withhold Eric Holder’s Paycheck

Wouldn’t that be a bill of attainder?

482 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 8:40:14am

re: #478 Justanotherhuman

WTF is wrong with people?

The ethics of alt-sex get messy (ha!) real fast. But I think a good rule of thumb is that one shouldn’t cause lasting damage to people or animals.

However I will note that many of the people who condemn this kind of stuff have no problem with industrial meat production.

483 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:40:24am
484 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 8:45:04am
485 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:48:53am
486 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 8:49:33am
487 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 8:51:09am

WHAT RIGHT-WING ANTI-SEMITISM?

488 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 18, 2014 8:52:41am

re: #447 Pie-onist Overlord

Don’t give me that patronizing shit, you reeking bag of fuck.

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Gah. Idiots like him make me doubt my faith more than anything else.

Stupid sack of shit. Yes, he was a Jew. Some of us spend a heck of a lot of time trying to understand just what that really implies - and it’s not really very pretty for most “true Christians” you ignorant fuck. And it certainly doesn’t magically wish away nearly 2000 years with more antisemitism than not.

And it’s not helped that the readings today are some of the worst in our bible for encouraging that kind of stupidity as a way of placating the Romans who were the real threat. The fact that the roman’s strung him up with a couple of bandits/terrorists/freedom fighter/etc tells you what Rome really thought he was about and why they sure weren’t going to “wash their hands” of him.

489 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:53:18am

re: #472 NJDhockeyfan

Incredible, look at this side view of that car.

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did the driver drive under the bus or did the bus back-up onto the car?

I’m just trying to picture this …

490 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 8:53:18am

Heh.

491 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:53:31am

re: #487 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT RIGHT-WING ANTI-SEMITISM?

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Because Hitler totally was having seders at the Berghof and appointing Jews to positions within his government.

492 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 8:54:12am

re: #491 HappyWarrior

Because Hitler totally was having seders at the Berghof and appointing Jews to positions within his government.

Oh wait I just noticed it’s by Dixon Diaz that little attention queen.

493 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:54:29am

re: #478 Justanotherhuman

That bill is already dead anyway. I was more interested in this, and how low some people really can get to earn a buck. I’d work at WalMart first.

Second Fetish Model Arrested In Florida Animal Torture Case

huffingtonpost.com

WTF is wrong with people?

Somewhere the sex and violence threads got crossed in the reward system of their brains.

I don’t get it either.

494 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 8:54:50am

re: #490 Lidane

Heh.

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Nothing says youthful and trendy like a guy whose father was a segregationist senator and who said we deserved 9-11 because of tolerating gays and abortion.

495 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 8:55:11am

On Good Friday, Bryan shills for the Temple Moneychangers.

496 blueraven  Apr 18, 2014 8:56:25am

re: #489 FemNaziBitch

did the driver drive under the bus or did the bus back-up onto the car?

I’m just trying to picture this …

I think there must have been more speed involved than the bus backing up.
For the car to be that far under the bus, the driver probably didn’t see it until the last second, if at all.

497 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 8:57:37am

re: #496 blueraven

I think there must have been more speed involved than the bus backing up.
For the car to be that far under the bus, the driver probably didn’t see it until the last second, if at all.

WOW.

498 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 8:58:40am

re: #491 HappyWarrior

Because Hitler totally was having seders at the Berghof and appointing Jews to positions within his government.

But only if they were gay Jews.

//

499 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 8:59:41am

re: #489 FemNaziBitch

did the driver drive under the bus or did the bus back-up onto the car?

I’m just trying to picture this …

The driver hit the bus. The bus wasn’t moving. I was thinking the driver was texting but someone said the sunrise was bad. I can’t argue with that.

500 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 8:59:43am

Why is Bryan derping up a storm on Good Friday? Isn’t he supposed to be praying or something?

501 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 9:00:22am

re: #500 Pie-onist Overlord

Why is Bryan derping up a storm on Good Friday? Isn’t he supposed to be praying or something?

Just warming up for Easter Sunday Twitter services.

502 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 9:01:04am

re: #500 Pie-onist Overlord

Why is Bryan derping up a storm on Good Friday? Isn’t he supposed to be praying or something?

Praying, trolling for bottom feeders —all one in the same to him.

503 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 9:02:06am

You know for all Bryan’s talk of being Christian, I’ve never seen him show empathy to someone in a lesser lot than him. OTOH he does a lot of sucking up to the Kochs. Because you know Jesus huge fan of the ultra-wealthy who spent his time berating the poor for being poor. Bryan Fischer is about as Christian as diarrhea is.

504 Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2014 9:02:22am

re: #495 Pie-onist Overlord

On Good Friday, Bryan shills for the Temple Moneychangers.

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Yeah, it’s amazing what can happen when you basically legalize slave labor.

505 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 9:03:07am

re: #481 Lidane

Wouldn’t that be a bill of attainder?

I can’t remember.

Only on second cuppa.

A bill of attainder (also known as an act of attainder or writ of attainder or bill of pains and penalties) is an act of a legislature declaring a person or group of persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without privilege of a judicial trial. As with attainder resulting from the normal judicial process, the effect of such a bill is to nullify the targeted person’s civil rights, most notably the right to own property (and thus pass it on to heirs), the right to a title of nobility, and, in at least the original usage, the right to life itself. Bills of attainder were used in England between about 1300 and 1800 and resulted in the executions of a number of notable historical figures. However, the use of these bills eventually fell into disfavour due to the obvious potential for abuse and the violation of several legal principles, most importantly separation of powers, the right to due process, and the precept that a law should address a particular form of behaviour rather than a specific individual or group. For these reasons, bills of attainder are expressly banned by the United States Constitution as well as the constitutions of all 50 US states.

506 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 9:03:31am

Somebody is cooking up Easter ham in here.

It smells really gross, like frying meat must smell to a vegetarian.

507 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 9:04:07am

re: #482 iossarian

Sorry, but animals should never be involved in human sexual activity.

They can’t give consent, “alt sex” or not.

508 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 9:04:40am

re: #506 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody is cooking up Easter ham in here.

It smells really gross, like frying meat must smell to a vegetarian.

Yeah, it depends. If it’s in stew with other spices and scents, it smells good. Very distinct pleaseant smell —one you don’t get without meat. Meat alone cooking —disgusting to me.

509 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 9:05:34am

re: #507 Justanotherhuman

Sorry, but animals should never be involved in human sexual activity.

They can’t give consent, “alt sex” or not.

YUP.

Tell that to the German Government.

Sick fucks in this world.

510 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 9:06:11am

re: #506 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody is cooking up Easter ham in here.

It smells really gross, like frying meat must smell to a vegetarian.

I always found the Easter ham an amusing concept…..considering Jesus was a devout Jew.

511 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 9:06:16am

re: #506 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody is cooking up Easter ham in here.

It smells really gross, like frying meat must smell to a vegetarian.

Hey now, I’m having a spiral-cut half ham Sunday and inviting the gang.

I just don’t call it “Easter”. Just an excuse to get people here for a little feast. I won’t eat any, but they’ll go “hog wild” over it. : )

512 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 9:06:20am

re: #507 Justanotherhuman

Sorry, but animals should never be involved in human sexual activity.

They can’t give consent, “alt sex” or not.

Because I don’t have any desire to involve animals in my sex life, I don’t have strong feelings about this. But given that we use animals in all kinds of ways that are targeted to human needs, I don’t really see why, if people need animal involvement to achieve sexual satisfaction, that shouldn’t be possible, again as long as the animal isn’t harmed by its involvement.

513 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 9:06:35am

re: #509 FemNaziBitch

YUP.

Tell that to the German Government.

Sick fucks in this world.

Agh.

514 Romantic Heretic  Apr 18, 2014 9:06:47am

re: #465 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

So World Of Tanks just released 9.0 to include HD models of the tanks which look really nice, though the graphics update to the camo makes some of my german tanks look like they came from a deranged circus.

They also included a new mode “Historical mode” which allows you to re-fight battles such as The Battle of the Bulge with tanks used in the battle (complete with re-outfitting to the guns/ammo etc they had). I fought the battle on the german side yesterday on my Tiger II (AKA King Tiger). They scaled the sides so the Americans had a lot more tanks but they were mostly all Mediums and Tank Destroyers and all were definitely out matched just by me alone.

Probably won’t play that mode too often it’s kind of meh.

Betting they can’t call in the Thunderbolts or Typhoons to deal with your Konigstiger.

515 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 9:07:00am

re: #512 iossarian

Because I don’t have any desire to involve animals in my sex life, I don’t have strong feelings about this. But given that we use animals in all kinds of ways that are targeted to human needs, I don’t really see why, if people need animal involvement to achieve sexual satisfaction, that shouldn’t be possible, again as long as the animal isn’t harmed by its involvement.

It can’t give consent.

516 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 9:07:08am

re: #510 Dr. Matt

I always found the Easter ham an amusing concept…..considering Jesus was a devout Jew.

I think the early church did that deliberately to demonstrate their separation from the OT ritual laws.

517 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 9:07:42am

re: #512 iossarian

Because I don’t have any desire to involve animals in my sex life, I don’t have strong feelings about this. But given that we use animals in all kinds of ways that are targeted to human needs, I don’t really see why, if people need animal involvement to achieve sexual satisfaction, that shouldn’t be possible, again as long as the animal isn’t harmed by its involvement.

Tell me, if a women doesn’t bleed, was she harmed by a rape?

Think about what you are saying.

518 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 9:08:43am

re: #515 FemNaziBitch

It can’t give consent.

They don’t really consent to being killed and eaten either. Or to being ridden around for sport. Or to the many other things that actually cause them harm.

I’m not really sure why sex falls into its own special sphere of human activity where “animal consent” is required for their involvement.

519 Romantic Heretic  Apr 18, 2014 9:10:06am

re: #495 Pie-onist Overlord

On Good Friday, Bryan shills for the Temple Moneychangers.

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I strongly suspect that’s because they came up with a new metric for unemployed.

leftycartoons.com

520 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 9:10:25am

re: #518 iossarian

They don’t really consent to being killed and eaten either. Or to being ridden around for sport. Or to the many other things that actually cause them harm.

I’m not really sure why sex falls into its own special sphere of human activity where “animal consent” is required for their involvement.

There are worse things than being killed and eaten.

521 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 18, 2014 9:10:37am

Time for bed here in the Middle Kingdom. See y’all later on.

522 FemNaziBitch  Apr 18, 2014 9:11:04am

Im outa here

523 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 9:11:13am

re: #509 FemNaziBitch

YUP.

Tell that to the German Government.

Sick fucks in this world.

Shit. “Mere ‘concepts’ of morality”? So says this really sick fuck, so sick his organization would mount a legal challenge to any attempt at a ban on human/animal sex.

“‘Mere concepts of morality have no business being law,’ said ZETA chairman Michael Kiok.

Read more: dailymail.co.uk

524 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 9:11:46am

re: #512 iossarian

Because I don’t have any desire to involve animals in my sex life, I don’t have strong feelings about this. But given that we use animals in all kinds of ways that are targeted to human needs, I don’t really see why, if people need animal involvement to achieve sexual satisfaction, that shouldn’t be possible, again as long as the animal isn’t harmed by its involvement.

What part of “consent” don’t you understand?

525 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 9:12:03am

re: #415 Pie-onist Overlord

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This is what I meant by “please anyone but Hillary”…not that I would not support her (cannot imagine the GOP nominating anyone I could ever vote for), but if she is nominated, I will have to abandon my favorite pastime, namely following politics, because it will get SO DAMN UGLY!!!

526 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 9:12:04am

re: #516 Pie-onist Overlord

I think the early church did that deliberately to demonstrate their separation from the OT ritual laws.

I had an Israeli exchange student working in my lab several years ago around Easter. During the week before Easter he was asking what my plans were for the Easter weekend. I told him I was going to cook an Easter ham and have some friends over. He gave me a look like this:

Huh?

527 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 18, 2014 9:12:42am

re: #514 Romantic Heretic

That may come in later on if they ever merge World Of Warplanes and World Of Tanks which is something they’ve been talking about given the emergence of War Thunder. The one downside is World of Warplanes is kinda meh. I tried it out and would probably be ok with a Joystick but otherwise is a bit annoying.

The main problem is that the ones playing the U.S. side didn’t really know what to do about me and, from the onset, I had the rest of my team swarming around me to kind of keep them off of me.

They had several hellcats, several wolverines and shermans with the 105mm howitzer. If they hadn’t shit themselves when I crested one of the ridges and instead had tried to flank to my sides and rear they could have damaged me more than they did. Instead they tried to engage me frontally and never shot at my lower hull plate (something the hellcats could have easily penetrated).

Of course this is world of tanks where most matches tend to resemble the sketch from Monty python about the moron races.

528 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 9:13:06am

re: #520 FemNaziBitch

There are worse things than being killed and eaten.

Like I said before, this is more of a philosophical argument for me. I don’t have a dog in the fight, so to speak.

I just think that, in terms of the prevention of cruelty to animals, some form of human/animal sexual activity where the animal isn’t in distress falls lower on the list of priorities than chicken factories and thoroughbreds being bred for speed and not knee joint integrity.

529 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 9:14:50am

re: #524 Justanotherhuman

What part of “consent” don’t you understand?

Somewhat duplicative of 528, but I don’t think the concept of “consent” is as relevant as the concepts of “harm” or “distress” here. Again, there are a bunch of worse things that we do to animals without their “consent”.

530 Romantic Heretic  Apr 18, 2014 9:15:43am

re: #527 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I’ve watched a few videos of World of Tanks, and It’s rather disheartening how little many players know about armoured warfare. Most people don’t realize that the gun isn’t the most powerful part of the tank, it’s the engine and treads.

531 blueraven  Apr 18, 2014 9:17:51am

re: #512 iossarian

Because I don’t have any desire to involve animals in my sex life, I don’t have strong feelings about this. But given that we use animals in all kinds of ways that are targeted to human needs, I don’t really see why, if people need animal involvement to achieve sexual satisfaction, that shouldn’t be possible, again as long as the animal isn’t harmed by its involvement.

seriously? Beyond the ick factor, animal rights and moral issues, there are health concerns that can spread worldwide when humans interact sexually with animals.

532 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 9:20:29am

re: #432 FemNaziBitch

the concept of INDIVIDUAL CHOICE really eludes them, doesn’t it?

WOMEN ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO OBEY,

533 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 18, 2014 9:20:38am

re: #530 Romantic Heretic

I’ve got a few replays I’ve posted, one of which is a match in my Russian KV-1 where I detroyed 8 tanks including 3 of the other team’s Artillery. Sure I have a gun to pound them with but angling of a KV-1 is important. My tracks can eat up shells from other tanks and with the right angles they bounce rounds off of me left and right.

Sure, the tank is slow, but if you ram me you are more likely to hurt yourself than me and with the right angle if you shoot me you might hurt my tracks but you won’t do much else, unless you’re in a higher tier tank with a bigger gun.

I try to use every part of the tank to my advantage to not only absorb/bounce rounds but overtake people. A ram kill is sometimes more satisfying than shooting someone, though now if you blow up a tank via blowing up their ammo rack or fuel the turret goes flying which is pretty satisfying.

534 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 9:20:51am

re: #531 blueraven

Beyond the ick factor,

I would beware the “ick factor” argument - it has been used to oppose all kinds of things.

there are health concerns that can spread worldwide when humans interact sexually with animals.

This might actually be a good reason to ban certain types of human/animal interaction - I don’t know enough about it to comment on it from this angle.

535 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 9:20:54am

re: #529 iossarian

Somewhat duplicative of 528, but I don’t think the concept of “consent” is as relevant as the concepts of “harm” or “distress” here. Again, there are a bunch of worse things that we do to animals without their “consent”.

I think you are mixing apples and oranges here.

I’m not going to condemn people for their choices of food, even though I don’t eat mammals myself and don’t approve of “sport” hunting. We do have a food chain in play and always have until such time as we’ve totally fucked over the planet and are eating Soylent Green.

OTOH, having sex with someone (like a minor) or a non-human “sex object” that can’t give consent is pretty out there. Anyone who thinks this is merely a “moral” argument is off their nut.

536 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 9:22:05am

re: #447 Pie-onist Overlord

Don’t give me that patronizing shit, you reeking bag of fuck.

A true Christian cannot be an anti-Semite. He believes the Savior of the world walked the earth as a Jew.

But at the same time, a True Christian must believe that all Jews (and Muslims, and Buddhists and Hindus, etc.) are GOING TO HELL.

537 blueraven  Apr 18, 2014 9:25:12am

re: #534 iossarian

I would beware the “ick factor” argument - it has been used to oppose all kinds of things.

This might actually be a good reason to ban certain types of human/animal interaction - I don’t know enough about it to comment on it from this angle.

Although direct sexual contact is not what is alleged in the article, it is a slippery slope. It does speak about killing tied down rabbits. That is disgusting. It is animal cruelty at best.

538 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 9:26:42am

re: #535 Justanotherhuman

I think you are mixing apples and oranges here.

I’m not going to condemn people for their choices of food, even though I don’t eat mammals myself and don’t approve of “sport” hunting. We do have a food chain in play and always have until such time as we’ve totally fucked over the planet and are eating Soylent Green.

OTOH, having sex with someone (like a minor) or a non-human “sex object” that can’t give consent is pretty out there. Anyone who thinks this is merely a “moral” argument is off their nut.

I think this is pretty close to something I’d agree with. I actually think this is less about the animal’s experience (otherwise you’d have to condemn any killing of animals, which you’re clearly not doing) and more about the human behavior. Because we don’t like the idea of humans having sex with any other thing that doesn’t “consent”, this should be banned. And I think that’s a pretty good rule of thumb.

However, it’s interesting that the “it’s for the good of the animal” argument doesn’t really apply. Interesting because it also strengthens the argument against non-consensual human-human sex - it’s not just about whether the non-consenting partner is “harmed” or not (though that’s also important) - it’s about the behavior of the perpetrator.

539 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 9:26:53am

Why a pro-government militia attacked UN compound in South Sudan

The government has repeatedly accused the UN of harboring rebels in its camps. Many are worried the attack marks a new and dangerous phase in the civil war.

540 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 9:28:22am

re: #537 blueraven

Although direct sexual contact is not what is alleged in the article, it is a slippery slope. It does speak about killing tied down rabbits. That is disgusting. It is animal cruelty at best.

I will point out that my original comment on this stipulated “no harm” - I would expand that to “no distress”.

But in any case see also 538.

541 Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2014 9:31:19am

re: #420 Pie-onist Overlord

You can save yourself a lot of work and just go to the Freeper thread(s) on this. I doubt you’ll find anything anywhere else that they didn’t say first.

542 blueraven  Apr 18, 2014 9:32:08am

re: #540 iossarian

I will point out that my original comment on this stipulated “no harm” - I would expand that to “no distress”.

But in any case see also 538.

OK that is fine if people want to have sex while animals are romping around in the field. But that is not what is going on here. The whole point is the torture of animals to feed some sick fetish.

543 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 9:32:23am

re: #541 Skip Intro

You can save yourself a lot of work and just go to the Freeper thread(s) on this. I doubt you’ll find anything anywhere else that they didn’t say first.

Not going to look but I’m sure there’s some crazy nutjob that believes that Bill’s actually the father.

544 Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2014 9:32:39am

re: #500 Pie-onist Overlord

Why is Bryan derping up a storm on Good Friday? Isn’t he supposed to be praying or something?

Bryan’s god prays to him.

545 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 9:33:57am

re: #538 iossarian

I think this is pretty close to something I’d agree with. I actually think this is less about the animal’s experience (otherwise you’d have to condemn any killing of animals, which you’re clearly not doing) and more about the human behavior. Because we don’t like the idea of humans having sex with any other thing that doesn’t “consent”, this should be banned. And I think that’s a pretty good rule of thumb.

However, it’s interesting that the “it’s for the good of the animal” argument doesn’t really apply. Interesting because it also strengthens the argument against non-consensual human-human sex - it’s not just about whether the non-consenting partner is “harmed” or not (though that’s also important) - it’s about the behavior of the perpetrator.

Yes, and because someone doesn’t engage in some forms of consenting adult sexual practices doesn’t mean they have the right to deny those to others. We see where that road leads.

I prefer to leave it at that.

546 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2014 9:34:17am

re: #388 FemNaziBitch

Cliven Bundy Cries To Fox After Harry Reid Calls Him A Domestic Terrorist

Anyone have an address to Bundy’s ranch so I can send him a sympathy card?

547 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 9:35:02am

Jesselyn Radack and Dkos are outraged!
Media Humiliates Itself: WAPO Gives Platform to Shameless Anti-Snowden Smears

My favorite part….

let’s get one thing straight: Snowden is in Russia because the U.S. government stranded him there by revoking his passport while he was en route to Latin America.

Yes, he’s in Russia because he couldn’t get to a nicer climate like Cuba or Venezuela.

548 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 9:36:14am

re: #546 ObserverArt

Anyone have an address to Bundy’s ranch so I can send him a sympathy card?

You know if you don’t want to be called a domestic terrorist, I humbly suggest not threatening US federal agents with guns. Just a helpful tip.

549 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 9:41:15am

re: #541 Skip Intro

You can save yourself a lot of work and just go to the Freeper thread(s) on this. I doubt you’ll find anything anywhere else that they didn’t say first.

I went there last night.

Not going back.

550 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 9:46:09am
551 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 9:49:32am

It seems Obama is required to say this several times a week
Obama: Military options not on the table in Ukraine

552 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 9:53:15am

Obamacare IS the Republican alternative. The Democrats would love single payer instead, but passing the Heritage plan was easier.

553 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 18, 2014 9:58:12am

re: #552 Lidane

If you ask me it was brilliant to start with the Heritage plan. Now, over time we can work towards single-payer and the GOP will have no viable alternative that doesn’t look like the current ACA which people overwhelmingly want to see improved.

554 GunstarGreen  Apr 18, 2014 9:59:18am

re: #530 Romantic Heretic

I’ve watched a few videos of World of Tanks, and It’s rather disheartening how little many players know about armoured warfare. Most people don’t realize that the gun isn’t the most powerful part of the tank, it’s the engine and treads.

Armchair warriors don’t grock armored combat. Like, at all. It’s one reason why armored combat sims have largely gone out of favor, save for a few recent niche examples like World of Tanks and Mechwarrior Online. They’re too complex and intimidating for Joe/Jane Average Gamer, and require too much personal investment to get good at. Shooter games are largely seen as a game of twitch-reaction, “See enemy and shoot it until it dies”, and this is helped along by the trend in modern FPS games to be very close to one bullet, one kill. “Realistic”, perhaps, but it doesn’t leave a whole lot of room for broader strategy and tactics.

This was one reason why I loved the original Planetside, and hated Planetside 2. Planetside treated tanks like tanks. You had a driver, who didn’t get any guns (except on the Vanu hovertank, where he got a really crappy gun that could only shoot straight forward), and a separate gunner (two for the Terran Republic!) that controlled the cannon. There was communication involved, and the driver could focus 100% on maneuvering while the gunner focused 100% on hitting the target. You saw big-unit armor tactics in that game, with armored columns that involved more than just MBTs (they also had assault buggies and anti-aircraft buggies) doing things like setting up shelling lines on ridges, using flanking tactics, and the like. Whereas in Planetside 2, they treated vehicles like they’re treated in the Battlefield series: anyone can get anything at any time, and the driver also gets the main cannon. Vehicles became personal powerups and most tactics/strategy went right out the window in favor of lemming rushes.

555 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 10:00:10am

re: #552 Lidane

Obamacare IS the Republican alternative. The Democrats would love single payer instead, but passing the Heritage plan was easier.

That GOPer seems to like many of the elements in the ACA……except for the fact that the law was signed by Teh Black Man.

556 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 10:03:07am

The most insane amusement park water ride ever concocted:

Youtube Video

Just wait for it. That’s right, it’s a looping water slide. It was open to the public only for a few weeks during its first season at Action (Traction) Park, but the ride stood as a silent warning to all those entering the park in the years to come. Abandon all hope of escaping unscathed of injury during your day of fun.

Ah, the memories…

557 b.d.  Apr 18, 2014 10:05:56am

americablog.com

Edward Snowden’s “George Zimmerman moment” on Russian TV

4/18/2014 8:30am by John Aravosis

Snowden’s “whistleblower” defense no longer holds up

I had concerns about Snowden from the beginning. The fact that he went in to the spy business and was shocked to find that actual spying takes place, struck me as more bizarre than naive. It just didn’t sound credible that anyone qualified enough to work at the NSA didn’t realize that the NSA was involved in some pretty hairy stuff.
/snip
Then another shoe dropped, that blew Snowden’s “shock and awe” defense out of the water: Snowden leaked the details of US spying on Russia. That disclosure had nothing to do with the civil liberties of Americans, which supposedly is the issue motivating Snowden, and it’s supposedly the reason Snowden isn’t releasing any documents about Russia’s spy program, or any other antagonist of the US - because his goal is protecting American citizens, not ratting on the Russians.

Damn, losing the left person by person.

558 The Mountain That Blogs  Apr 18, 2014 10:11:34am

re: #556 lawhawk

DailyMotion had a short and awesome documentary on this recently.

Part 1

Part 2

559 makeitstop  Apr 18, 2014 10:23:07am

re: #556 lawhawk

The most insane amusement park water ride ever concocted:

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Just wait for it. That’s right, it’s a looping water slide. It was open to the public only for a few weeks during its first season at Action (Traction) Park, but the ride stood as a silent warning to all those entering the park in the years to come. Abandon all hope of escaping unscathed of injury during your day of fun.

Ah, the memories…

(Class) Action Park to reopen this Summer

560 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 10:23:37am

I just can’t seem to find a spare fuck to give about this.

561 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 10:25:25am

re: #559 makeitstop

(Class) Action Park to reopen this Summer

One of my kids had a summer job at Action Park, tending the tank/go-karts that fired tennis balls at each other.

562 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 10:25:37am

re: #556 lawhawk

Looks like an amusement park created by dudero fratboys…..and I totally want to go.

563 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 10:25:49am

re: #560 Pie-onist Overlord

I just can’t seem to find a spare fuck to give about this.

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It has nothing to do with productivity, it is all about how much you can negotiate to set yourself up for life.

564 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 18, 2014 10:27:06am

re: #554 GunstarGreen

I used to play standard shooters and actually prefer the armored combat in WoT. Sure there are tanks that can one shot you but there are plenty of opportunities to flank and use cover/team tactics to take out those same tanks.

Right now I am doing on of their bi-weekly “On Track” Missions. Basically it’s on track to the Wt Auf E 100 and the goal is to gain 250k experience combined on tanks in that line, if you complete it you get a garage slot plus one of the german tier 6 premium Tank Destroyers.

I was already going down that line and have the Wt Auf Pz IV. Basically it’s a chassis with an open turret and a 128mm cannon of doom. It has shit armor, is very susceptible to HE rounds and has crap gun depression. But if you are sneaky with it you can back out of cover, exposing little of the hull and all of the gun and get in shots on any tank even Tier 10’s. Have had several games where I’ve done over 4k dmg using that thing.

It all comes down to knowing your role and playing to your strengths. I am always amused when someone gets their first true light/scout tank (around Tier 3 or 4) and freaks out when they suddenly show up in a match against tanks up to 5 tiers above them (scouts get up to 5 tiers higher for Matchmaking). The ones who know how to scout often survive. The rest go suicidal. Nothing is more annoying than a good scout lighting up half the map for artillery.

565 iossarian  Apr 18, 2014 10:27:35am

re: #560 Pie-onist Overlord

I just can’t seem to find a spare fuck to give about this.

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The likes of Marissa Mayer don’t give a shit about how little their own underlings make, let alone the poor saps who fix the roads they drive on, make them coffee in the morning, clean their bathrooms etc.

Consequently I don’t think anyone should be surprised that cultural pay inequality persists at the top end as well.

566 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 10:28:48am

re: #562 Dr. Matt

I went there for a couple of years with a camp group. Insanity all the way around. The rides were insane, and they had kids operating the rides - rides that could kill you in any number of ways (going too fast and flying off ride, hitting the water wrong, drowning, crushing, suction, dismemberment, etc.

But if you came out of there, you didn’t forget the experience and the adrenaline rush.

567 Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2014 10:29:01am

re: #321 Eventual Carrion

Not ones that are not regulated by the government.

Why do they always start that amendment in the middle?

Because it works so well with the bible. Forget the nuance, forget the context, just get to the good stuff we agree with.

568 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 10:32:08am
569 Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2014 10:32:36am

re: #565 iossarian

The likes of Marissa Mayer don’t give a shit about how little their own underlings make, let alone the poor saps who fix the roads they drive on, make them coffee in the morning, clean their bathrooms etc.

Consequently I don’t think anyone should be surprised that cultural pay inequality persists at the top end as well.

Business Insider reported that Mayer lives in a penthouse suite at the Four Seasons Hotel in San Francisco with her husband

Poor woman took a pay cut down to $26 million. I don’t know how she makes ends meet.

570 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 10:32:49am

re: #566 lawhawk

I went there for a couple of years with a camp group. Insanity all the way around. The rides were insane, and they had kids operating the rides - rides that could kill you in any number of ways (going too fast and flying off ride, hitting the water wrong, drowning, crushing, suction, dismemberment, etc.

But if you came out of there, you didn’t forget the experience and the adrenaline rush.

During the snow-free months they had a fiberglass trough with little wheeled ‘sleds’ that used the ski-slope. Almost got killed on it when the sled with me and Dau2 locked up, and another had already been launched.

Maintenance was not a priority.

571 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 10:33:09am

So what are the chances that the Bundy Ranch yahoos will become outraged by this?

572 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 18, 2014 10:33:41am

re: #571 Lidane

It was done by Rick Perry so that’s ok.

573 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 10:34:08am

re: #565 iossarian

The likes of Marissa Mayer don’t give a shit about how little their own underlings make, let alone the poor saps who fix the roads they drive on, make them coffee in the morning, clean their bathrooms etc.

Consequently I don’t think anyone should be surprised that cultural pay inequality persists at the top end as well.

And when she took over, she wanted to show “her balls” and “toughness” to the Boyz by firing all the people who were working at home. She put the hammer down on that one.

No, I never cry any tears over people that are making millions while everyone else makes peanuts.

I just can’t seem to find a spare fuck to give about management who screws over labor every chance they get.

574 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2014 10:36:29am

re: #560 Pie-onist Overlord

I just can’t seem to find a spare fuck to give about this.

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Well, maybe it will make some in top management get a little heat from female execs about the earnings imbalance in such a glaring example. A little extra bump in the direction of helping women get equal earnings can’t hurt.

You know, now that I think about it, when people talk about equal pay, they should talk not only about male and female, but also board members all level of management right on down to the workers. It sure has more imbalance in it than just gender.

575 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 10:37:25am

re: #571 Lidane

So what are the chances that the Bundy Ranch yahoos will become outraged by this?

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I do wonder how much support there is for fundy Mormon spin-off sects among the more mainline LDS members. And I have no idea where on the spectrum (if that’s a legit word for it) Bundy falls. He sure hates his fellow Mormon Harry Reid. Politics trump.

576 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 10:38:05am

re: #574 ObserverArt

Well, maybe it will make some in top management get a little heat from female execs about the earnings imbalance in such a glaring example. A little extra bump in the direction of helping women get equal earnings can’t hurt.

You know, now that I think about it, when people talk about equal pay, they should talk not only about male and female, but also board members all level of management right on down to the workers. It sure has more imbalance in it than just gender.

Wooses want a higher minimum wage. Real badasses want a lower maximum wage.

577 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 10:38:23am

re: #566 lawhawk

In a water park in Northern Michigan I busted my forehead open from their version of the ‘tarzan swing’. I got 6 stitches. I don’t regret it.

578 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 10:39:48am

re: #575 wrenchwench

I do wonder how much support there is for fundy Mormon spin-off sects among the more mainline LDS members. And I have no idea where on the spectrum (if that’s a legit word for it) Bundy falls. He sure hates his fellow Mormon Harry Reid. Politics trump.

He has 14 kids. Are they all from the same woman? : )

579 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 10:40:27am

re: #574 ObserverArt

Well, maybe it will make some in top management get a little heat from female execs about the earnings imbalance in such a glaring example. A little extra bump in the direction of helping women get equal earnings can’t hurt.

You know, now that I think about it, when people talk about equal pay, they should talk not only about male and female, but also board members all level of management right on down to the workers. It sure has more imbalance in it than just gender.

Also, one cannot fairly talk about the 77 cents on the dollar women earn compared to men without mentioning that for black women it’s 66 cents.

580 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 10:41:33am

re: #579 wrenchwench

Also, one cannot fairly talk about the 77 cents on the dollar women earn compared to men without mentioning that for black women it’s 66 cents.

Black women have jobs? No one told Free Republic.

581 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2014 10:42:27am

re: #563 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It has nothing to do with productivity, it is all about how much you can negotiate to set yourself up for life.

You hit that nail pretty hard…straight on. It all needs to be based on productivity and performance meeting the productivity and goals.

I have a brother that always has asked people, how much profit is too much? Sort of goes to the same thing as how much pay is too much. As far as I can remember, no one has ever given him an answer. They all shrug it off uncomfortably, but you just know that their answer wants to be as much as I can get. No thought for how it all fits into the bigger picture.

Of course, the big picture never has been very clear, has it?

582 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 10:43:01am

re: #578 Justanotherhuman

He has 14 kids. Are they all from the same woman? : )

I always wonder how many mothers were involved when I see a father total like that. I had an aunt who had 10 and died when the youngest could barely walk, in 1972. Her husband died last week, that youngest daughter has her own two year old now.

583 Eventual Carrion  Apr 18, 2014 10:43:52am

re: #572 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

It was done by Rick Perry so that’s ok.

And the owner was part of one of those false religions.

EDIT: I had forgotten the other guy is Mormon too. How are the christian fundies keeping that isolated in their minds from their hate for the “other”?

584 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 10:44:30am

re: #570 Decatur Deb

During the snow-free months they had a fiberglass trough with little wheeled ‘sleds’ that used the ski-slope. Almost got killed on it when the sled with me and Dau2 locked up, and another had already been launched.

Maintenance was not a priority.

Ah, the alpine slide. That was probably the most dangerous ride I went on while there (and that’s saying something). The track had all kinds of joints, which was bad enough, but the sleds were never consistently maintained. Some had brakes that worked. Others, not so much. You had to hope yours worked, as did those immediately in front and behind you, or else you were going to end up with a case of road rash from someone crashing into you or you crashing into someone else.

Saw it happen all the time.

585 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 10:46:17am

re: #582 wrenchwench

I always wonder how many mothers were involved when I see a father total like that. I had an aunt who had 10 and died when the youngest could barely walk, in 1972. Her husband died last week, that youngest daughter has her own two year old now.

He has 52 grandchildren (no mention of great grandchildren) and they all fit into his house, evidently, so it must be huge.

“April 1, 2014: Bundy’s 14 children and 52 grandchildren are all bunkered down at his house waiting for the BLM to arrive. Bundy is giving constant interviews and making constant calls to local and state officials. BLM has set up two “First Amendment areas” in nearby Bunkerville.”

washingtonpost.com

I think “Bunkerville” is a good name for a place where he appears to actually have a “bunker”.

586 Stephen T.  Apr 18, 2014 10:46:52am

re: #576 Decatur Deb

Wooses want a higher minimum wage. Real badasses want a lower maximum wage.

And if you are really dangerous you want a maximum wage that is tied to the minimum wage.

587 Kragar  Apr 18, 2014 10:48:02am

re: #585 Justanotherhuman

He has 52 grandchildren (no mention of great grandchildren) and they all fit into his house, evidently, so it must be huge.

“April 1, 2014: Bundy’s 14 children and 52 grandchildren are all bunkered down at his house waiting for the BLM to arrive. Bundy is giving constant interviews and making constant calls to local and state officials. BLM has set up two “First Amendment areas” in nearby Bunkerville.”

washingtonpost.com

I think “Bunkerville” is a good name for a place where he appears to actually have a “bunker”.

60+ people all held up and the yahoos wonder why BLM had SWAT guys on standby?

Fucking morons

588 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2014 10:48:59am

re: #579 wrenchwench

Also, one cannot fairly talk about the 77 cents on the dollar women earn compared to men without mentioning that for black women it’s 66 cents.

Thanks for pointing that out. I should have included race and even mental health and physical abilities as far as any challenged workers.

More big picture.

589 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 10:49:30am

re: #572 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

It was done by Rick Perry so that’s ok.

Nobody is safe from the wrath of the yahoos, even the GOP leaders should be aware of that…

590 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 10:49:38am

Mother goes on crack cocaine binge in Florida motel before giving birth in the bathtub and cutting the umbilical cord with her teeth

* Chrystal Hassell, 37, didn’t know she was pregnant until March and smoked crack the night before she gave birth on Friday

* Gave birth to a premature son in the bathtub of a motel and called police because he started turning blue

* The boy is now in critical condition at a Gainesville hospital and Hassell is on suicide watch

* The baby’s father is her boyfriend who is in jail on attempted murder charges

591 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 10:53:05am

Just in time for discussing wage disparities.

592 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 10:54:32am

re: #590 Dr. Matt

Sorry, but all I can say is, Jesusfuckingchrist.

593 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 10:56:07am

Congressional Democrats Making Huge Mistake Targeting Hate Speech

Democrats Ed Markey of Massachusetts and Hakeem Jeffreys of New York want to clamp down on what can be said on radio under the rubric of “hate speech,” and it’s a terrible idea. Government should stay as far away from broadcast content as possible.

594 Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2014 10:56:08am

re: #592 Justanotherhuman

Sorry, but all I can say is, Jesusfuckingchrist.

And, ‘Welcome to Flori-duh.’

595 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 10:56:10am

re: #585 Justanotherhuman

He has 52 grandchildren (no mention of great grandchildren) and they all fit into his house, evidently, so it must be huge.

“April 1, 2014: Bundy’s 14 children and 52 grandchildren are all bunkered down at his house waiting for the BLM to arrive. Bundy is giving constant interviews and making constant calls to local and state officials. BLM has set up two “First Amendment areas” in nearby Bunkerville.”

washingtonpost.com

I think “Bunkerville” is a good name for a place where he appears to actually have a “bunker”.

I’m picturing a lot of outbuildings.

I don’t know how many grand kids my uncle had for sure. His obit says “Adoring grandfather to many, including: …” and there I can count 36. Then it says “loving great grandfather to 26 more beautiful children.” He was actually kind of an asshole, from what I hear, but I’m sure he mellowed with age.

596 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 10:56:58am

re: #593 Killgore Trout

Congressional Democrats Making Huge Mistake Targeting Hate Speech

That’s Paged here.

597 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 10:59:14am

Almost noon.

598 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 10:59:32am

re: #585 Justanotherhuman

He has 52 grandchildren (no mention of great grandchildren) and they all fit into his house, evidently, so it must be huge.

Shit, I only have 37 grandkids. I will just have to tell my kids to WORK HARDER!!!!

The Zionist Overlords need MOAR OVERLORDS.

599 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 10:59:58am

No e-mail.

600 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2014 11:01:17am

re: #597 Gus

Almost noon.

No it’s not! It’s just after 2:00 PM.

: )

601 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:01:17am

And here I thought my grandmother had a healthy number of grandkids. There’s fifteen of us ranging in age from 13 to 55.

602 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:01:37am

Florida [x]

603 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 11:02:04am

re: #598 Pie-onist Overlord

Shit, I only have 37 grandkids. I will just have to tell my kids to WORK HARDER!!!!

The Zionist Overlords need MOAR OVERLORDS.

It’s your fault for not having 5 more kids, or your husband’s for not taking on another wife to do so…..

/

604 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:02:24am

re: #600 ObserverArt

No it’s not! It’s just after 2:00 PM.

: )

Almost time to go home! //

605 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 11:02:58am

re: #596 wrenchwench

That’s Paged here.

Only 2 comments to go by but it looks like the idea is going to have some support. We’ll have to wait and see how much traction the idea gets.

606 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:03:25am

re: #603 wrenchwench

It’s your fault for not having 5 more kids, or your husband’s for not taking on another wife to do so…..

/

Must be weird being a Duggar I imagine. I can’t imagine being older than my aunt or uncle. I mean my aunt/godmother was younger than her nephew but it was her half sister’s son and this of course was the 30’s when birth control wasn’t as readily available.

607 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 11:05:04am
He wants his new standalone bill, which is supported by Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), to update that report. “We have recently seen in Kansas the deadly destruction and loss of life that hate speech can fuel in the United States,” Markey said, “which is why it is critical to ensure the Internet, television and radio are not encouraging hate crimes or hate speech that is not outside the protection of the First Amendment.”

I think he misspoke there with a double negative, but I think I understand what he’s getting at.

608 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:07:43am

re: #607 Killgore Trout

I think he misspoke there with a double negative, but I think I understand what he’s getting at.

Internet, television and radio. Uh huh.

609 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 11:09:42am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

And here I thought my grandmother had a healthy number of grandkids. There’s fifteen of us ranging in age from 13 to 55.

I only have 2 grandkids. And 2 great-grandkids.

We are definitely not ruling the world. : )

610 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:10:28am
611 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 11:11:43am

Oh boy. The car. Airplanes. The Internet. All had private development, but couldn’t flourish without a government acting to build roads, airports, air traffic control systems, internet protocols and oversight for consistency.

Or railroads, which got land grants to expand across the country.

But Heritage thinks that the government shouldn’t be providing incentives to the renewable and energy efficient technology fields.

Let’s just ignore that the tax code offers up tax incentives for depletion, oil and gas exploration, and other incentives to find and exploit energy and mineral deposits. Those costs are so much higher than what the DOE proposes for alt-energy that it’s boggling.

612 jaunte  Apr 18, 2014 11:12:24am

re: #610 Gus

Ra, looking for a new Jesus.

613 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 11:13:08am

re: #612 jaunte

Ra, looking for a new Jesus.

In addition to using sexist language. WTF?

614 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 11:14:01am

re: #608 Gus

Internet, television and radio. Uh huh.

I think what makes me so nervous about government efforts like this is there’s a decent amount of popular support for getting radio shows cancelled, comedians and CEO’s fired, business owners shut down, etc. Well connected groups like Media Matters, Think Progress, Move on, etc all assist these efforts and cheer them on. I wouldn’t say these efforts are completely harmless but it’s mostly viral internet activism to get the base excited and feel involved in the culture wars. However, if these well connected “think tanks” and SuperPacs start influencing government power to shut down political opponents we’re going to have some serious problems.

615 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:14:12am

re: #609 Justanotherhuman

I only have 2 grandkids. And 2 great-grandkids.

We are definitely not ruling the world. : )

Give it time hahaha. Coolest thing though was to see my grandmother become a great great grandmother in her lifetime which is pretty crazy to think about since all of my great great grandparents were either immigrants or foreigners.

616 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 11:14:32am
617 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:15:00am

re: #616 NJDhockeyfan

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Awkward.

618 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 11:15:48am

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I think what makes me so nervous about government efforts like this is there’s a decent amount of popular support for getting radio shows cancelled, comedians and CEO’s fired, business owners shut down, etc. Well connected groups like Media Matters, Think Progress, Move on, etc all assist these efforts and cheer them on. I wouldn’t say these efforts are completely harmless but it’s mostly viral internet activism to get the base excited and feel involved in the culture wars. However, if these well connected “think tanks” and SuperPacs start influencing government power to shut down political opponents we’re going to have some serious problems.

I’d prefer to leave the “hate speech” studies to private groups like ADL, SPLC, Etc. They do a fine enough job.

619 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:15:50am

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I think what makes me so nervous about government efforts like this is there’s a decent amount of popular support for getting radio shows cancelled, comedians and CEO’s fired, business owners shut down, etc. Well connected groups like Media Matters, Think Progress, Move on, etc all assist these efforts and cheer them on. I wouldn’t say these efforts are completely harmless but it’s mostly viral internet activism to get the base excited and feel involved in the culture wars. However, if these well connected “think tanks” and SuperPacs start influencing government power to shut down political opponents we’re going to have some serious problems.

There’s already laws in the book regarding incitement to violence. This is just another typical effort by a handful of people in congress. Won’t go anywhere. Nothing to worry about.

620 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:16:44am

re: #611 lawhawk

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Oh boy. The car. Airplanes. The Internet. All had private development, but couldn’t flourish without a government acting to build roads, airports, air traffic control systems, internet protocols and oversight for consistency.

Or railroads, which got land grants to expand across the country.

But Heritage thinks that the government shouldn’t be providing incentives to the renewable and energy efficient technology fields.

Let’s just ignore that the tax code offers up tax incentives for depletion, oil and gas exploration, and other incentives to find and exploit energy and mineral deposits. Those costs are so much higher than what the DOE proposes for alt-energy that it’s boggling.

Heritage Foundation is so full of crap that you can see the crap coming out of Jim Demint’s mouth. You’re absolutely right LH. Past technology had the feds helping out along the way and no one really batted an eye. It’s because the new alternatives compete with industries that Heritage supports is the real reason this bothers them.

621 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 11:17:19am
622 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:17:39am

SOON THE PC SPEECH POLICE WILL BE MONITORING AND CONTROLLING EVERYTHING THAT’S SAID ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!

623 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 11:20:57am

re: #622 Gus

With a flick of a switch, the Russian SORM can do just that. And with less legal oversight too.

624 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 11:22:33am

And the Obama Administration puts the brakes on Keystone once again. Heh.

625 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:23:13am

re: #624 lawhawk

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And the Obama Administration puts the brakes on Keystone once again. Heh.

Keystone seems to me to be typical conservative short term thinking without thinking about long term implications.

626 jaunte  Apr 18, 2014 11:23:32am

Really?

627 blueraven  Apr 18, 2014 11:23:35am

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I think what makes me so nervous about government efforts like this is there’s a decent amount of popular support for getting radio shows cancelled, comedians and CEO’s fired, business owners shut down, etc. Well connected groups like Media Matters, Think Progress, Move on, etc all assist these efforts and cheer them on. I wouldn’t say these efforts are completely harmless but it’s mostly viral internet activism to get the base excited and feel involved in the culture wars. However, if these well connected “think tanks” and SuperPacs start influencing government power to shut down political opponents we’re going to have some serious problems.

What about well funded RW groups who help states involved with taking away women’s and minority rights; abortion, voting etc…?

I am not a fan of this bill, but influence by groups are on both sides. And at present, The Right has most of the big money and legislative success.

Also, I doubt there is a chance in hell this legislation will pass or even come to a vote.

628 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 11:24:15am

I don’t think this guy is either Hispanic or Muslim…

629 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:27:08am

re: #628 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think this guy is either Hispanic or Muslim…

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Shrug, but then again Chuck Norris’s real name is Carlos.

630 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 11:27:35am

re: #628 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think this guy is either Hispanic or Muslim…

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Whatever he is his new name is asshole.

631 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 11:27:50am

re: #614 Killgore Trout

May I suggest you post that on the Page?

632 GeneJockey  Apr 18, 2014 11:29:25am

re: #611 lawhawk

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Oh boy. The car. Airplanes. The Internet. All had private development, but couldn’t flourish without a government acting to build roads, airports, air traffic control systems, internet protocols and oversight for consistency.

Or railroads, which got land grants to expand across the country.

But Heritage thinks that the government shouldn’t be providing incentives to the renewable and energy efficient technology fields.

Let’s just ignore that the tax code offers up tax incentives for depletion, oil and gas exploration, and other incentives to find and exploit energy and mineral deposits. Those costs are so much higher than what the DOE proposes for alt-energy that it’s boggling.

It’s the usual libertarian bullshit that sounds good till you give it a few seconds’ thought.

633 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 11:30:12am

re: #630 NJDhockeyfan

Whatever he is his new name is asshole suspect.

FTFY.

634 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:30:26am

re: #632 GeneJockey

It’s the usual libertarian bullshit that sounds good till you give it a few seconds’ thought.

To be fair to libertarians, Heritage has never claimed to be that. Deminted even thinks you have to be a social and fiscal conservative to be a conservative. I am not a big Cato fan but Cato hates them and vice versa.

635 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 11:31:29am

re: #624 lawhawk

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And the Obama Administration puts the brakes on Keystone once again. Heh.

Waiting until after mid term elections?

636 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 11:32:33am

Earthquake damage in Guerrero, Mexico.

More at his feed.

637 Romantic Heretic  Apr 18, 2014 11:32:54am

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I think what makes me so nervous about government efforts like this is there’s a decent amount of popular support for getting radio shows cancelled, comedians and CEO’s fired, business owners shut down, etc. Well connected groups like Media Matters, Think Progress, Move on, etc all assist these efforts and cheer them on. I wouldn’t say these efforts are completely harmless but it’s mostly viral internet activism to get the base excited and feel involved in the culture wars. However, if these well connected “think tanks” and SuperPacs start influencing government power to shut down political opponents we’re going to have some serious problems.

I’m not in favour of the government regulating speech, but as far as the stuff I’ve bolded goes, this expresses my opinion perfectly.

638 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 11:33:17am

re: #625 HappyWarrior

Keystone seems to me to be typical conservative short term thinking without thinking about long term implications.

So you’re saying that it’s Friday. ;)

639 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 11:33:35am

I’m wondering if Mr. Whitaker has possible mental issues?

Kansas City, Mo., police not commenting on motive in highway shootings; investigation ongoing - @kmbc
see original on twitter.com

640 Political Atheist  Apr 18, 2014 11:33:43am

re: #627 blueraven

What about well funded RW groups who help states involved with taking away women’s and minority rights; abortion, voting etc…?

re: #627 blueraven

What about well funded RW groups who help states involved with taking away women’s and minority rights; abortion, voting etc…?

I am not a fan of this bill, but influence by groups are on both sides. And at present, The Right has most of the big money and legislative success.

Also, I doubt there is a chance in hell this legislation will pass or even come to a vote.

Why should rw excess make me or anyone else less concerned about excess or really stupid policy from the other aisle?

641 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 11:34:05am

re: #627 blueraven

What about well funded RW groups who help states involved with taking away women’s and minority rights; abortion, voting etc…?

I am not a fan of this bill, but influence by groups are on both sides. And at present, The Right has most of the big money and legislative success.

Also, I doubt there is a chance in hell this legislation will pass or even come to a vote.

Yes, they’d love to curtail “hatespeech” against Christians too. It’s a bit like those “religious freedom” bills. Advocates for these laws seem to lack the imagination that their opponents would love to exploit these laws too.

642 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:34:24am

re: #638 Lidane

So you’re saying that it’s Friday. ;)

Yes. have a drink on me. Weekend looks promising.

643 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 11:35:26am

re: #624 lawhawk

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And the Obama Administration puts the brakes on Keystone once again. Heh.

Yep. Until after the elections:

644 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 11:35:40am

re: #637 Romantic Heretic

I’m not in favour of the government regulating speech, but as far as the stuff I’ve bolded goes, this expresses my opinion perfectly.

Despite Markey’s comments on his own bill, the bill does not do anything about hate speech except do a study to see whether it results in hate crimes. And it’s an update to a study done in 1993, if I’m reading that stuff correctly.

645 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:35:41am

It’s like a Rorschach test. Mohammed. Pedro. Whitaker.

646 Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2014 11:36:41am

re: #643 Lidane

Yep. Until after the elections:

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One of those times that I wish that the GOP votes to force a decision would go through, just so I could get the White House to finally take a stand one way or the other. Stalling for time is getting tiresome.

647 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 11:37:44am

re: #640 Political Atheist

Why should rw excess make me or anyone else less concerned about excess or really stupid policy from the other aisle?

You, no reason. Anyone else, for the reason that they are a target of such efforts.

648 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:38:20am

Clearly he was radicalized by reading an internet board. Or maybe video games. Either one.

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649 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 11:38:22am

re: #641 Killgore Trout

Yes, they’d love to curtail “hatespeech” against Christians too. It’s a bit like those “religious freedom” bills. Advocates for these laws seem to lack the imagination that their opponents would love to exploit these laws too.

The bill is not about curtailing hate speech.

650 blueraven  Apr 18, 2014 11:38:27am

re: #640 Political Atheist

Why should rw excess make me or anyone else less concerned about excess or really stupid policy from the other aisle?

I never said you shouldn’t be concerned.

I am just saying it goes both ways and the right has been more successful in curbing rights.

651 Political Atheist  Apr 18, 2014 11:39:00am

re: #643 Lidane

Yep. Until after the elections:

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What do you suppose happens to our energy costs and resultant energy based food inflation if Keystone (or something like it)never happens and or fracking is halted?

652 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 11:39:21am

Also, notice the spelling of “cigarettes” on the “News Stand”.

653 Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2014 11:39:33am

re: #651 Political Atheist

What do you suppose happens to our energy costs and resultant energy based food inflation if Keystone (or something like it)never happens and or fracking is halted?

Not a whole hell of a lot.

654 Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2014 11:39:57am

re: #637 Romantic Heretic

I’m not in favour of the government regulating speech, but as far as the stuff I’ve bolded goes, this expresses my opinion perfectly.

Since many of the RW talkers are being propped up financially by conservative backers to promote their agendas, they no longer have to worry about having legitimate advertisers to keep them on the air. RW Talk Radio is now little more than paid talkfomercials.

You can read about it here.

655 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 11:41:16am

re: #651 Political Atheist

What do you suppose happens to our energy costs and resultant energy based food inflation if Keystone (or something like it)never happens and or fracking is halted?

So Keystone has some purpose other than fucking up our environment to send Canadian oil overseas?

And I think earthquakes are a pretty decent reason not to frack, but that’s just me.

656 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 11:42:04am

re: #646 Targetpractice

One of those times that I wish that the GOP votes to force a decision would go through, just so I could get the White House to finally take a stand one way or the other. Stalling for time is getting tiresome.

It’s time to shit or get off the pot. I think the WH is scared of how a decision will affect the elections.

657 Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2014 11:43:16am

re: #656 NJDhockeyfan

It’s time to shit or get off the pot. I think the WH is scared of how a decision will affect the elections.

Only in the sense that the GOP is already spinning it as a “jobs program” or some such BS. I had wingnuts the other day snickering about the construction unions getting on Congressional Democrats for not supporting this boondoggle.

658 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 11:43:42am

re: #656 NJDhockeyfan

It’s time to shit or get off the pot. I think the WH is scared of how a decision will affect the elections.

I think stalling to build more of a consensus is legitimate and smart.

659 GeneJockey  Apr 18, 2014 11:44:31am

re: #634 HappyWarrior

To be fair to libertarians, Heritage has never claimed to be that. Deminted even thinks you have to be a social and fiscal conservative to be a conservative. I am not a big Cato fan but Cato hates them and vice versa.

Hence the lack of capitalization - libertarian as opposed to Libertarian.

The idea that new technologies which ultimately take over or establish a market will magically appear, despite needing lots of development time and infrastructure, is one of the basic libertarian unicorns-farting-rainbows dreams. They drive cars on public roads, eat food that isn’t contaminate, fly on planes that don’t crash into each other and land somewhere near big cities, take drugs that work and aren’t poisonous, all because of government - i.e. all of us.

660 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 11:45:35am

re: #656 NJDhockeyfan

It’s time to shit or get off the pot. I think the WH is scared of how a decision will affect the elections.

I agree. I don’t see a reason to destroy our environment so that Canadian oil goes overseas. Also, I always thought the GOP hated eminent domain. You’d think they’d oppose Keystone for that reason alone.

661 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:45:58am

re: #659 GeneJockey

Hence the lack of capitalization - libertarian as opposed to Libertarian.

The idea that new technologies which ultimately take over or establish a market will magically appear, despite needing lots of development time and infrastructure, is one of the basic libertarian unicorns-farting-rainbows dreams. They drive cars on public roads, eat food that isn’t contaminate, fly on planes that don’t crash into each other and land somewhere near big cities, take drugs that work and aren’t poisonous, all because of government - i.e. all of us.

Ah, fair enough. But yeah Heritage is a special kind of delusion but we’ve known that for some time and Demint re-enforced it when he claimed the federal government had zlitch to do with the abolishment of slavery. I guess he was too busy crying that hte South lost to pay attention during Lincoln.

662 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 11:46:57am

re: #657 Targetpractice

Only in the sense that the GOP is already spinning it as a “jobs program” or some such BS. I had wingnuts the other day snickering about the construction unions getting on Congressional Democrats for not supporting this boondoggle.

They are correct. There are unions that want want the pipeline approved.

663 Political Atheist  Apr 18, 2014 11:47:10am

re: #650 blueraven

I never said you shouldn’t be concerned.

I am just saying it goes both ways and the right has been more successful in curbing rights.

This power and influence goes back and forth over the decades. That’s why it’s a really bad idea to weaken laws or policies that hinge on our basic rights left right or center. All a government has to do to stifle dissent or strengthen the status quo is withold broadcast licenses or give them unacceptable terms. Think that can’t happen here? All it takes is a government regulatory effort to ensure “fairness” on the air.

664 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 11:47:19am

There will be no epic “Tiananmen square tank man” moment in Putin’s Ukraine
Man Tries To Stop APC With His Hands - Almost Got Shot
Liveleak Video

665 Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2014 11:48:38am

re: #659 GeneJockey

Hence the lack of capitalization - libertarian as opposed to Libertarian.

The idea that new technologies which ultimately take over or establish a market will magically appear, despite needing lots of development time and infrastructure, is one of the basic libertarian unicorns-farting-rainbows dreams. They drive cars on public roads, eat food that isn’t contaminate, fly on planes that don’t crash into each other and land somewhere near big cities, take drugs that work and aren’t poisonous, all because of government - i.e. all of us.

That’s because so many of them grew up with those things already in place, and have little or no personal knowledge of what life was like without such things in place. I doubt you could find more than a handful of Congresscritters today who know what life was like before the government came in and laid down paved roads for automobiles. And none have known a time when foods and drugs went without government inspection and regulation. So, to them, the idea that the free market could just step in without government help and flourish is based purely on a form of religious dogma.

666 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 11:49:08am

re: #658 wrenchwench

I think stalling to build more of a consensus is legitimate and smart.

They already know the numbers of who supports it and who doesn’t. They’ve been delaying this for years. It’s time for them to make a decision and live with the fallout.

667 lawhawk  Apr 18, 2014 11:49:11am

Keystone would provide only a handful of permanent jobs once the pipeline is built. All the claims of jobs are so much nonsense. A small team of maintenance workers can patrol hundreds of miles of pipeline, and remote sensors can alert those watching to any problems. A larger group is needed to build the pipeline, but that is a transitory effect.

Same with fracking. Once the wells are established, it doesn’t take the same manpower to oversee. You see this effect all over the world where new wells require tremendous manpower and equipment needs, but the established wellhead requires little additional effort to maintain. The oil companies have to move on to the next drill site. And if it’s outside your town/city/state, then you lose those jobs altogether. They aren’t sticking around.

The upside of fracking? Cheap oil/natural gas, at least based on current prices for both commodities. Natural gas prices are down as a result of a greater supply. Some number of permanent jobs in given locations, and transitory jobs not tied to any particular location.

The downside? The potential and realized contamination of aquifers, water supplies, and ground subsidence/earthquakes.

Water is a critical natural resource, and trying to get clean water is going to only get tougher as longstanding drought conditions persist across much of the West.

668 Political Atheist  Apr 18, 2014 11:49:31am

re: #655 Lidane

So Keystone has some purpose other than fucking up our environment to send Canadian oil overseas?

And I think earthquakes are a pretty decent reason not to frack, but that’s just me.

I’m sorry I just don’t see an answer to my question in there. Just some snark and stated opposition to fracking.

669 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:49:44am
670 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:51:35am

re: #665 Targetpractice

That’s because so many of them grew up with those things already in place, and have little or no personal knowledge of what life was like without such things in place. I doubt you could find more than a handful of Congresscritters today who know what life was like before the government came in and laid down paved roads for automobiles. And none have known a time when foods and drugs went without government inspection and regulation. So, to them, the idea that the free market could just step in without government help and flourish is based purely on a form of religious dogma.

Oh man, you said what I’ve been wanting to phrase for years. This is too true. There are so many things in our society that are in place due to “Big Government” that we take for granted and that if we got rid of them our society would immediately fall flat. I think this is at the core of why I call Libertarians pie in the sky idealists. They literally have no idea that life was much harder for the average American before things like what you mentioned came in. Or they give the answer I often hear on unions “Unions were once needed but they outlived their usefulness.” Easy to say that when you’ve got a decent job and pension.

671 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:51:43am

re: #649 wrenchwench

The bill is not about curtailing hate speech.

It’s just for a report.

672 Killgore Trout  Apr 18, 2014 11:52:06am

re: #669 Gus

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There’s gonna be a lot of disappointed environmentalists in November

673 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 11:52:11am

re: #659 GeneJockey

Hence the lack of capitalization - libertarian as opposed to Libertarian.

The idea that new technologies which ultimately take over or establish a market will magically appear, despite needing lots of development time and infrastructure, is one of the basic libertarian unicorns-farting-rainbows dreams. They drive cars on public roads, eat food that isn’t contaminate, fly on planes that don’t crash into each other and land somewhere near big cities, take drugs that work and aren’t poisonous, all because of government - i.e. all of us.

Libertarians loves them this fucking idiotic meme:

674 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:52:59am

re: #671 Gus

It’s just for a report.

So it’s an update of a pre-existing report. I don’t see anything unreasonable about this at all then especially since media has changed a lot since 1993.

675 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 18, 2014 11:53:33am
676 GeneJockey  Apr 18, 2014 11:53:35am

re: #665 Targetpractice

That’s because so many of them grew up with those things already in place, and have little or no personal knowledge of what life was like without such things in place. I doubt you could find more than a handful of Congresscritters today who know what life was like before the government came in and laid down paved roads for automobiles. And none have known a time when foods and drugs went without government inspection and regulation. So, to them, the idea that the free market could just step in without government help and flourish is based purely on a form of religious dogma.

They want to live libertarian lives in the America created by liberalism.

They don’t want old people who invested badly to be living under bridges; they don’t want poor children begging on every street corner; they don’t want an illiterate populace; they don’t want rutted dirt roads; they don’t want to risk Salmonella or enterotoxic E.coli every time they eat; they don’t want poor sick people dying in the streets - essentially they don’t want to live in the world their philosophy would create.

They want the America liberalism created, but they don’t want to pay for it.

677 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:53:43am

re: #672 Killgore Trout

There’s gonna be a lot of disappointed environmentalists in November

Mmm. So people are going to look at their local Democrat running for office as the White House?

678 Eventual Carrion  Apr 18, 2014 11:53:58am

re: #593 Killgore Trout

Congressional Democrats Making Huge Mistake Targeting Hate Speech

Other than the 7 words you can’t say (and a few others that offend some certain people). But telling listeners that the “others” are worthless pieces of shit (oops, can’t say that on air) that deserve to die is just peachy.

679 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:54:09am

re: #673 Pie-onist Overlord

Libertarians loves them this fucking idiotic meme:

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I’ve seen you post that one before too. It’s idiotic especially regarding schools since schooling was a privilege of the well off. And other Lizards have pointed out that a lot of revenue was brought in back then by absurdly high taxes on liquor.

680 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:54:47am

I’m not going to vote for my Democratic mayor, governor, senator, or representative, because, KXL and the White House. //

681 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:55:35am

Already have the problem of getting them up off their asses overall. I doubt this will have much impact.

682 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 11:56:04am

[Punches up button.]

683 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:56:34am

re: #676 GeneJockey

They want to live libertarian lives in the America created by liberalism.

They don’t want old people who invested badly to be living under bridges; they don’t want poor children begging on every street corner; they don’t want an illiterate populace; they don’t want rutted dirt roads; they don’t want to risk Salmonella or enterotoxic E.coli every time they eat; they don’t want poor sick people dying in the streets - essentially they don’t want to live in the world their philosophy would create.

They want the America liberalism created, but they don’t want to pay for it.

I think that’s my experience with libertarians described qutie well. As I’ve said, libertarians are idealistic almost to a fault. They really have this idea that if you got rid of those “pesky regulations” that America would be just fine but it wouldn’t.

684 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 11:57:19am

re: #679 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen you post that one before too. It’s idiotic especially regarding schools since schooling was a privilege of the well off. And other Lizards have pointed out that a lot of revenue was brought in back then by absurdly high taxes on liquor.

Whenever I ask a wingnut who has just retweeted this meme, “U really want to go back 100 years? Back to the days of Triangle Shirtwaist, no Interstates, no airports, horses & bayonets?” and all they can say is HURR HURR!!!! PRIVATE SECTOR!!!!!

Private armies!! What could possibly go wrong?

685 Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2014 11:57:47am

re: #673 Pie-onist Overlord

Libertarians loves them this fucking idiotic meme:

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And when they can find the person who lived in 1913 who thinks live was better than today, then perhaps I’ll listen to their argument. Until then, all I hear is a bunch of spoiled little shits who want all the trappings of civilized society but none of the responsibility, which includes paying to maintain and expand it.

686 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 11:59:30am

re: #684 Pie-onist Overlord

Whenever I ask a wingnut who has just retweeted this meme, “U really want to go back 100 years? Back to the days of Triangle Shirtwaist, no Interstates, no airports, horses & bayonets?” and all they can say is HURR HURR!!!! PRIVATE SECTOR!!!!!

Private armies!! What could possibly go wrong?

You ever point out to them that our life expectancy back in 1913 was closer to Mozambique than it is to our current one. Americans especially bitch about taxes but taxes cause progress. I’ve said the quote here by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes where Holmes says that he rather likes taxes because taxes build civilization.

687 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 18, 2014 12:02:21pm

re: #653 Targetpractice

Not a whole hell of a lot.

online.wsj.com

Another fracking regulation issue to be dealt with. Note how carefully the companies involved have dealt with this delicate issue. I can only hope those responsible get jail time and not simply fined. (And note how the higher up the chain energy company very nicely cut ties in order to not get stuck.)

688 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 18, 2014 12:03:57pm

re: #632 GeneJockey

It’s the usual libertarian bullshit that sounds good till you give it a few seconds’ thought.

It is also seeing the Free Market as an ideology and not just as a mechanism for balancing supply and demand.

689 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 12:04:35pm

re: #685 Targetpractice

And when they can find the person who lived in 1913 who thinks live was better than today, then perhaps I’ll listen to their argument. Until then, all I hear is a bunch of spoiled little shits who want all the trappings of civilized society but none of the responsibility, which includes paying to maintain and expand it.

You nailed it. They want all the benefits that we have from being a modern society built by a quasi welfare state but they don’t want to have to pay for it. Ron Paul loves to talk about how we were more “free” in the “Good Old Days” but he always leaves the parts out about how boys as young if not younger than my 13 year old brother had to drop out of school to go work in the mines or steel mills. The modern American middle class didn’t really take off until after WWII with the H.I Bill and that’s something that the fuck you, I got mine crowd ignores too.

690 GeneJockey  Apr 18, 2014 12:04:49pm

re: #683 HappyWarrior

I think that’s my experience with libertarians described qutie well. As I’ve said, libertarians are idealistic almost to a fault. They really have this idea that if you got rid of those “pesky regulations” that America would be just fine but it wouldn’t.

I would say you’re being FAR too kind. Most libertarians, in my experience, just don’t think. Two friends whom I’d consider very smart otherwise suffer from this - they can’t take the step of treating their dogmas as hypotheses to test. They simply take it as a given that The Market would provide.

Of course, they’re both engineers.

691 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 12:08:19pm

re: #690 GeneJockey

I would say you’re being FAR too kind. Most libertarians, in my experience, just don’t think. Two friends whom I’d consider very smart otherwise suffer from this - they can’t take the step of treating their dogmas as hypotheses to test. They simply take it as a given that The Market would provide.

Of course, they’re both engineers.

That actually sounds a lot of what I’ve read about the von Mises Institute and their approach to economics. The Von Mises Institute is notorious for having its followers focus only on theory at the expense of real life data. That way of looking it though actually has me understanding why we have a lot of Libertarian types in the Asperger’s community even though if Libertarian economists ever got their way, things would be even tougher for us on the spectrum than they already are.

692 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 18, 2014 12:11:40pm

And the road system immediately outside of cities *sucked* in 1913. Especially in the West.

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

693 GeneJockey  Apr 18, 2014 12:20:02pm

re: #691 HappyWarrior

That actually sounds a lot of what I’ve read about the von Mises Institute and their approach to economics. The Von Mises Institute is notorious for having its followers focus only on theory at the expense of real life data. That way of looking it though actually has me understanding why we have a lot of Libertarian types in the Asperger’s community even though if Libertarian economists ever got their way, things would be even tougher for us on the spectrum than they already are.

Libertarianism is common among folks with higher IQs, but not very common among Scientists. It has the appearance of making sense, which I think is what appeals to the engineering minded, who seem to like Rules and Principles. So, they find the theories and rules and principles of libertarianism appealing and if you look at it in terms of individual interactions, it make sense.

But it doesn’t extrapolate. That is, once you get beyond individual interactions - say an economy larger than a single small village - it becomes less and less valid. To work as they say it does, EVERYONE needs the same information and the same power. As soon as one party to a negotiation has more information or more power than the other, the Free Market begins to fail.

I believe Free Marketeers suffer from an inability to see things beyond the level of the individual. When you talk about things like Unions, or minimum wage, they start talking as if ‘The Employer’ was always ONE SINGLE GUY, whereas we know that most Americans work for much larger businesses. OF COURSE WalMart has a lot more power and information than any individual employee, but it’s like they simply can’t see that. It’s like a mental block or something. I

t reminds me of an otherwise intelligent girl I knew in High School who simply could not understand radioactive decay, no matter how many times it was explained to her. It was a closed box.

694 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 12:27:27pm

As usual, Rs gang up on Pres Obama’s decision about Keystone.

Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., on Keystone decision: ‘Once again in this so-called “year of action,” the Obama administration has hit the pause button on jobs and affordable energy’ - @ChadPergram
see original on twitter.com

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, on Keystone announcement: ‘This delay is shameful’; ‘House will continue to press the administration to move forward’ - statement via @NBCNews
end of alert
Keystone pipeline debate
31m

Sen. John Thune, R-SD, on Keystone delay: ‘It’s disappointing that the president today chose to further pander to his extreme environmental donor base’ - @frankthorpNBC
see original on twitter.com

695 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2014 12:28:44pm

re: #639 Justanotherhuman

I’m wondering if Mr. Whitaker has possible mental issues?

Kansas City, Mo., police not commenting on motive in highway shootings; investigation ongoing - @kmbc
see original on twitter.com

We had a highway shooter here in Columbus back around 2000 or so. Dude scared the crap out of people. He killed at least one woman, but there may have been another. It took a couple of months to figure out who it was. I need to review that as I think a family member turned him in to the police when they figured it out. Guy was from Grove City Ohio, just south of Columbus. It was a national news story as it went on. I knew all the highways and roads he was working.

I believe they gave him life but in a mental hospital/prison for innocent by way of mental deficiency.

696 Cheechako  Apr 18, 2014 12:34:07pm

re: #654 Skip Intro

Since many of the RW talkers are being propped up financially by conservative backers to promote their agendas, they no longer have to worry about having legitimate advertisers to keep them on the air. RW Talk Radio is now little more than paid talkfomercials.

You can read about it here.

About half the ads on RW Talk Radio in my town are Public Service Announcements (PSA’s). Most of the other ads are national ads (gold, computer security, etc.) Most local businesses are not interested in advertising on these shows.

697 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 18, 2014 12:34:12pm

re: #651 Political Atheist

What do you suppose happens to our energy costs and resultant energy based food inflation if Keystone (or something like it)never happens and or fracking is halted?

What do you think will happen, and why? What is the mechanism of action?

698 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2014 12:46:42pm

re: #660 Lidane

I agree. I don’t see a reason to destroy our environment so that Canadian oil goes overseas. Also, I always thought the GOP hated eminent domain. You’d think they’d oppose Keystone for that reason alone.

Funny how the sides get all bungled up when they compare Keystone with Bundy Ranch and consider things like states rights, hating the feds enforcing things on landowners, contracts (native Americans anyone), being against ‘the man,’ international companies, federal lands and usage rights, etc., etc.

Why aren’t things just so clear and easy. Shoot…who needs a gov’mint to keep all that tidy and running for everyone?

699 Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2014 12:55:40pm

re: #673 Pie-onist Overlord

Uh…what? They apparently don’t know that the first income tax was implemented in 1861?


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