1 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 4:14:56pm

As always Charles… good pick. The only things that keep me from playing like that and posting it to youtube is that I don’t have a good camera, a les paul, and oh yea…. I’ve got absolutely NO FREAKING MUSICAL TALENT AT ALL!!!!!… I have a serious envy thing going for people who do.

Oh well, maybe the next life…

RBS

2 wrenchwench  May 29, 2014 4:22:19pm
3 Kragar  May 29, 2014 4:23:17pm

ICYMI

4 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 4:23:59pm

Love the blues. Especially when it’s this good. Always gets me in a sexy mood. Forget the romantic ballads. : )

5 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 4:25:47pm

Wow. I’m not much of a Bloomberg fan but I gotta give mad props for this
Michael Bloomberg Blasts Ivy League For Liberal ‘Censorship’

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg accused the entire Ivy League of liberal political bias during a particularly fiery commencement address at Harvard University Thursday.

“It is just a modern form of McCarthyism,” Bloomberg said of university “censorship” of conservatives. “Think about the irony: In the 1950s, the right wing was attempting to repress left wing ideas. Today, on many college campuses, it is liberals trying to repress conservative ideas even as conservative faculty members are at risk of becoming an endangered species”

“And that is probably nowhere more true than it is here in the Ivy League,” declared Bloomberg.

It’s almost unbelievable that he said this. Are we going to learn tomorrow this is some sort of viral hoax story that never happened?

6 JustMark  May 29, 2014 4:28:28pm

Goes very nicely with the glass of whiskey I just poured…

7 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 4:29:06pm

Spent the money on Tropico 5. Good game and suitably challenging which is something which is lacking from most city building games. But the interface is quirky and hard to control sometimes. Roads are buggy, building don’t always work. The mechanics aren’t as tight as other city builders like Banished. But still a fun game with plenty or replay value.

8 Kragar  May 29, 2014 4:30:14pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Spent the money on Tropico 5. Good game and suitably challenging which is something which is lacking from most city building games. But the interface is quirky and hard to control sometimes. Roads are buggy, building don’t always work. The mechanics aren’t as tight as other city builders like Banished. But still a fun game with plenty or replay value.

I regret now that I spent the money on Wolfenstein

9 Targetpractice  May 29, 2014 4:30:29pm

re: #3 Kragar

ICYMI

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The ultimate expression of Stark Industries technology.

10 darthstar  May 29, 2014 4:31:43pm

Snowden’s getting no respect (as is appropriate) from anyone who has an actual educated opinion on this whole thing.

11 Stanley Sea  May 29, 2014 4:32:05pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

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New avi.

12 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 4:32:53pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

From the article

In the 2012 presidential race, according to Federal Election Commission data, 96% of all campaign contributions from Ivy League faculty and employees went to Barack Obama,” he said. “There was more disagreement among the old Soviet politburo than there is among Ivy League donors.

Given the seething hatred the GOP has for science and all forms of learning and thinking, 96% seems just about right on the merits from a university crowd.

13 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 4:34:46pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

Love the blues. Especially when it’s this good. Always gets me in a sexy mood. Forget the romantic ballads. : )

For me, this was alway one of my favorite ‘make out’ tunes…

Youtube Video

RBS

14 Targetpractice  May 29, 2014 4:34:55pm

re: #8 Kragar

I regret now that I spent the money on Wolfenstein

Where as I am getting the crash course in XCOM: Enemy Within. Kinda wish they’d given a heads-up that lasers take longer now and that reaper rounds are the way to go before the first terror mission.

15 wrenchwench  May 29, 2014 4:34:59pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

New avi.

Hmmmmm….

16 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 4:35:06pm

Not that there is anything wrong with pursuing different avenues of education, but this is just screwed up, and would have been a red flag for most people trying to get a job with the “govt”.

1998
Snowden attends the first semester of 10th grade but drops out before continuing the second semester. He would have been in the class of 2001.

(So, he was a 10th grade dropout, and from what I’ve read previously, a “poor” student, so the rest of his “education” makes no sense whatsoever._

1999
Snowden enrolls in credit courses at Anne Arundel Community College. He continues attending classes for the next six years, taking breaks during the spring semesters of 2002 and 2003.

(Doesn’t say what kind of classes, whether he passed them, how many he took. For 6 years? And did not get a degree or diploma of any kind?)

He was even able to enlist in the Army as a Special Services Forces recruit? Today, w/o a HS diploma or GED, you don’t get in. Was discharged less than 4 mos later with 2 broken legs?

apps.washingtonpost.com

So, with this kind of record, he says the CIA stationed him under “diplomatic cover” in 2007 in Geneva?

There’s something seriously wrong with this guy’s background.

17 klys  May 29, 2014 4:35:08pm

re: #12 EPR-radar

From the article

Given the seething hatred the GOP has for science and all forms of learning and thinking, 96% seems just about right on the merits from a university crowd.

As I recall, the more education one has, the more likely one is to agree with the Democratic party.

I’m sure there’s absolutely no correlation between these things though.

////

18 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 4:38:12pm

re: #8 Kragar

I regret now that I spent the money on Wolfenstein

I didn’t look very good to me. I have plenty of nostalgia for the series but shooters just don’t interest me much anymore.

19 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 4:38:15pm

re: #13 RealityBasedSteve

For me, this was alway one of my favorite ‘make out’ tunes…

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Video

RBS

Along w/a few puffs. : )

20 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 4:39:18pm

re: #17 klys

As I recall, the more education one has, the more likely one is to agree with the Democratic party.

I’m sure there’s absolutely no correlation between these things though.

////

Another big fail in that stupid Bloomberg piece is that he fails to consider the possibility that “conservative ideas” are falling out of favor because they are demonstrated failures. Instead, repression by liberals is the only possibility considered.

21 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 4:40:15pm

I used to have a beautiful tobacco sunburst Les Paul just like that - until it was broken when some assholish airline flight attendants wouldn’t let me carry it on, and it had to go in a non-anvil case. When I found it at baggage claim, the neck was snapped completely in half. Totally ruined. I still get mad remembering it.

22 prairiefire  May 29, 2014 4:40:23pm

School’s almost out! Just a 1/2 day for the kids tomorrow and we are done!

23 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 4:40:29pm

Arrrghhh. Arrrr.

24 Gus  May 29, 2014 4:40:35pm
25 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 4:41:07pm

re: #10 darthstar

Snowden’s getting no respect (as is appropriate) from anyone who has an actual educated opinion on this whole thing.

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Perhaps from drek like this…. This is from TownHall, and no, I’m not going to dignify it with a linkback…

With heart-pounding suspense, John le Carre-like intrigue and Jeffersonian fidelity to the principles of human freedom, Glenn Greenwald has just published “No Place to Hide.” The book, which reads like a thriller, is Greenwald’s story of his nonstop two weeks of work in May and June of 2013 in Hong Kong with former CIA agent and NSA contractor-turned-whistleblower Edward Snowden. Greenwald was the point person who coordinated the public release of the 1.7 million pages of NSA documents that Snowden took with him in order to prove definitively that the federal government is spying on all of us all the time.

Considering that the source is Judge Napolitano, you would think that he would understand the difference between proof and wild speculation. Guess not…

RBS

26 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2014 4:41:49pm

re: #16 Justanotherhuman

Not that there is anything wrong with pursuing different avenues of education, but this is just screwed up…snip

He was even able to enlist in the Army as a Special Services recruit? Today, w/o a HS diploma or GED, you don’t get in. Was discharged less than 4 mos later with 2 broken legs?

apps.washingtonpost.com

So, with this kind of record, he says the CIA stationed him under “diplomatic cover” in 2007 in Geneva?

There’s something seriously wrong with this guy’s background.

Is the bolding accurate in the article/document? Special Services is not Special Troops, is not Special Forces.

en.wikipedia.org

27 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 4:41:50pm
Bloomberg continued, occasionally being interrupted by moderate applause.

lol

28 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 4:45:51pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Is the bolding accurate in the article/document? Special Services is not Special Troops, is not Special Forces.

en.wikipedia.org

When I was in, “Special Services” was known as “Socks and Jocks”. It was working at one of the gyms, handing out towels, stuff like that, since you couldn’t be trusted to do anything else. It was about as far from SF as you could get and still be in the same time zone.

RBS

29 Gus  May 29, 2014 4:47:01pm

30 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 4:47:21pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Is the bolding accurate in the article/document. Special Services is not Special Troops, is not Special Forces.

en.wikipedia.org

Oh, sorry. My mistake—s/b Special Forces. Will correct.

31 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 4:47:38pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

lol

On the subject of lol, more from Bloomberg

Neither party has a monopoly of truth or God on its side. When 96% of Ivy League donors prefer one candidate to another, you really have to wonder whether students are being exposed to the diversity of views that a great university should offer,” Bloomberg continued, occasionally being interrupted by moderate applause. “A university cannot be great if its faculty is political homogeneous.

This is stupid magical balance fairy shit. It is true that the Democrats aren’t perfect. However, the Republicans have been sufficiently corrupted by the festering elements in US politics that they’ve assembled into their coalition of the resentful that summarizing the GOP as “the evil party” is entirely appropriate.

One does not do a balancing act between “just about completely evil” and “markedly less evil”.

The GOP has no ideas or policy positions that can thrive anywhere outside the right wing noise machine. Nothing they have to say would be of interest at a university where ideas are considered and critiqued on their merits.

32 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 4:50:09pm

Snowden reminds me of another chronic Quitter who became famous.

33 klys  May 29, 2014 4:51:46pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

Because all the faculty members I know and have learned from have dragged their political views into the classroom and made it an issue.

Yep.

Happened all the time in my materials science classes. It was hard to learn the thermodynamics over it!

///

On a more serious note, the only faculty member I could say I knew the political leanings of with confidence was my Ph.D. advisor, and that was something I learned over the course of 6 years. And we never really talked about it despite being of a similar general mindset. Because it wasn’t relevant to what I was there for.

I did, however, learn a shit ton about critical thinking and asking questions, which is more than anything what higher education is supposed to promote, regardless of political viewpoints.

34 ObserverArt  May 29, 2014 4:52:02pm

I got to see Carlos still in Santana on the Caravanserai tour spring of ‘73. One mellow concert. They played the whole album with a moment of silence/prayer/spiritual break in the middle. Then they did a few songs after that, but no Black Magic Woman or Evil Ways which of course pissed off a lot of people.

And, they nailed the sound. It was in St. John arena on the Ohio State campus. A big old rumble generator building. All they had for a PA was horns. Stacks of horns of all ranges. I had never seen anyone do that before. I guess they realized any low bass just fed the big rumble that was natural for the building, so no real low ends and the let the sound of the place do the low stuff. It worked beautifully. Best show I ever saw sound wise in that ol’ place. And I sure did see a few in there.

Saw Carlos by himself (sort of like the video with a backing band) at Polaris Amphitheater in ‘96. It was good, but I’ll never forget the Caravanserai show.

35 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 4:53:27pm

re: #29 Gus

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I might put a martini glass in those paws,,, uh feet, whatever. Just to remind me of the occasional Lizard lounge thread.

36 Bubblehead II  May 29, 2014 4:54:09pm

Hey Charles. Slight problem Here. Tweets w/pics only display/load maybe 1/4 of the post. On refresh, it loads everything fine.

Running (I presume) the latest version Firefox (can’t find the V number) as the program doesn’t have an info tab that I can find.

Forgot to add Win 7 Pro 64 bit.

Any suggestions?

37 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 4:57:05pm

re: #33 klys

…

I did, however, learn a shit ton about critical thinking and asking questions, which is more than anything what higher education is supposed to promote, regardless of political viewpoints.

This is why the GOP hates higher education. GOP dogma these days consists largely of falsehoods presented as self-evident facts, and they are deathly afraid of a “where are the Emperor’s clothes?” moment.

38 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 4:58:06pm

I just mah Joe Bonamassa. When he plays and Beth Hart sits in for vocals I’m just entranced. After work, with a little adult libation in hand, good times.

39 nines09  May 29, 2014 4:58:25pm

I highly recommend you do whatever it takes to see Joe Bonamassa live. His current band and show is half acoustic and half electric and 100% bad ass. One classy act. Don’t miss it.

40 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 4:59:23pm

Beth and Joe, in studio

Youtube Video

41 JustMark  May 29, 2014 5:02:12pm

re: #39 nines09

I highly recommend you do whatever it takes to see Joe Bonamassa live. His current band and show is half acoustic and half electric and 100% bad ass. One classy act. Don’t miss it.

I saw him with Black Country Communion. While he wasn’t the focus, he was still amazing - the whole band was.

42 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 5:03:08pm

It was 91 today. We’re having a bit of a t&l storm, but it’s moving on.

43 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:05:48pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

One does not do a balancing act between “just about completely evil” and “markedly less evil”.

The GOP has no ideas or policy positions that can thrive anywhere outside the right wing noise machine. Nothing they have to say would be of interest at a university where ideas are considered and critiqued on their merits.

One of the indicators of extremism is the inability to see any value in opponents. You can see it when people say there are no moderate Muslims or when racists say black people are poor because because they’re lazy. It’s a mentality that allows for discriminatory practices, racial and philosophical discrimination. If Republicans are really as evil as you believe then why not just outlaw then as a danger to society?

44 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:09:29pm

hey guys

on an lgf page i posted there’s a number 9 on the twitter icon thing there, but when i click it i just get a dialog asking if i want to retweet it

what’s the number 9 mean and if it means i was tweeted at or something how do i access that information?

45 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:10:56pm

Michael Bloomberg Harvard Commencement Speech 2014

Youtube Video

46 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:11:50pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

One of the indicators of extremism is the inability to see any value in opponents. You can see it when people say there are no moderate Muslims or when racists say black people are poor because because they’re lazy. It’s a mentality that allows for discriminatory practices, racial and philosophical discrimination. If Republicans are really as evil as you believe then why not just outlaw then as a danger to society?

works for me

seriously, i believe the current republican party exists as a way to promote the agenda of multinational corporations using the tools of mass lying in order to get ordinary people to vote them in to office to implement it

so, eeeeeeebil

47 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 5:12:23pm

Ammonium nitrate involved.

Police confirm fire is at fertilizer plant in Athens, Texas; authorities evacuated 5-block radius around plant - via @NCBNews
End of alert

Texas.

48 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 5:12:33pm

re: #44 dog philosopher

hey guys

on an lgf page i posted there’s a number 9 on the twitter icon thing there, but when i click it i just get a dialog asking if i want to retweet it

what’s the number 9 mean and if it means i was tweeted at or something how do i access that information?

That’s the number of click-throughs from Twitter to your Page - the number of clicks on our custom lgf . bz shortened links.

49 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 5:13:31pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

This is why the GOP hates higher education. GOP dogma these days consists largely of falsehoods presented as self-evident facts, and they are deathly afraid of a “where are the Emperor’s clothes?” moment.

Did Bloomberg say Republicans or conservative thought? To give the GOP an exclusive overlap is wrong in numerous ways. For one it tarnishes decades of conservative thought with the current GOP extreme, a position demonstrably false. For another that serves the critics who would broad brush that very well in a self serving way. “MBF” does not change that.

California has a moderately fiscal conservative Governor. So much so he still needs a little help from the California GOP legislators to offset the further out there pols on the left.

50 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:13:48pm

reuters.com

He said that an unwillingness to listen to political opponents has led to gridlock in Washington.

“The two parties decide those questions not by engaging with one another but by trying to shout each other down and by trying to repress and undermine the research that counters their ideology,” he said. “The more our universities emulate that model the worse off we will be as a society.”

Attendees expressed surprise at the tone of his speech.

51 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:15:02pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

That’s the number of click-throughs from Twitter to your Page - the number of clicks on our custom lgf . bz shortened links.

aha - fanks!

52 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:17:33pm

re: #46 dog philosopher

works for me

seriously, i believe the current republican party exists as a way to promote the agenda of multinational corporation using the tools of mass lying in order to get ordinary people to vote them in to office to implement it

so, eeeeeeebil

I don’t think you really believe that, at least I hope you don’t. It’s a very scary mentality when people really start to think about criminalizing political opponents. I get that it’s an appeal power fantasy for some people but hopefully very few would actually put the plan in action.

53 sagehen  May 29, 2014 5:19:05pm

re: #17 klys

As I recall, the more education one has, the more likely one is to agree with the Democratic party.

I’m sure there’s absolutely no correlation between these things though.

////

Only in some majors.

If your higher education is an MBA, an accounting degree, or a pre-law econ major at certain top tier institutions, engineering, or you went to a military academy. Those skew conservative.

54 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:20:22pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I don’t think you really believe that, at least I hope you don’t. It’s a very scary mentality when people really start to think about criminalizing political opponents. I get that it’s an appeal power fantasy for some people but hopefully very few would actually put the plan in action.

criminalize? outlaw? not literally, no

my attitude is that of cato the elder:

republican party delenda est

55 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 5:20:42pm

re: #36 Bubblehead II

Hey Charles. Slight problem Here. Tweets w/pics only display/load maybe 1/4 of the post. On refresh, it loads everything fine.

Running (I presume) the latest version Firefox (can’t find the V number) as the program doesn’t have an info tab that I can find.

Forgot to add Win 7 Pro 64 bit.

Any suggestions?

Yeah - that’s a bug in Firefox, so unfortunately there’s nothing I can do to fix it. It’s not adjusting the size of the embedded tweet properly.

56 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 5:21:17pm

$2B. $2B. $2B.

More: Steve Ballmer won bidding war for Los Angeles Clippers over David Geffen, Los Angeles-based investor Tony Ressler; Donald Sterling must still approve deal, sources tell @latimes
Read more on latimes.com

1h
Report: Former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to buy Los Angeles Clippers for a record $2 billion - @latimes
Read more on latimes.com

57 freetoken  May 29, 2014 5:21:55pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Bloomberg - not the last good Republican.

58 freetoken  May 29, 2014 5:22:48pm

re: #56 Justanotherhuman

IOW, Sterling is about to make a shit-load of money off this scandal.

59 sagehen  May 29, 2014 5:23:57pm

re: #58 freetoken

IOW, Sterling is about to make a shit-load of money off this scandal.

And this is why capital gains tax should be at the old rate.

60 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:24:00pm

re: #56 Justanotherhuman

$2B. $2B. $2B.

More: Steve Ballmer won bidding war for Los Angeles Clippers over David Geffen, Los Angeles-based investor Tony Ressler; Donald Sterling must still approve deal, sources tell @latimes
Read more on latimes.com

1h
Report: Former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to buy Los Angeles Clippers for a record $2 billion - @latimes
Read more on latimes.com

maybe the whole flap was engineered by sterling as a way to sell the clippers quickly and with maximum publicity

61 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 5:24:15pm

David Geffen confirms that his group that included Larry Ellison, Oprah and Laurene Jobs has withdrawn from the Los Angeles Clippers bidding - @darrenrovell
see original on twitter.com

62 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 5:24:16pm
63 freetoken  May 29, 2014 5:25:16pm

re: #59 sagehen

And this is why capital gains tax should be at the old rate.

I am probably a minority on this one, but I think “capital gains” should be treated as income, save perhaps for the cases where an in-kind trade is made (say trading someone pieces of art.)

64 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 5:25:20pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Just noticing that for all the documents that Snowden stole and that were released, none support his key contentions-he was a spy, and that he had tried to get his grievances fixed within. So he did not steal proof of his situation? Uh huh.

I mentioned you called out NBC to change their report retract certain parts to LWC/Not Approved. He says “look at all the retractions 60 minutes had to do this year.”

Then I mentioned “right CBS once had to retract an Anchorman”.

65 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 5:25:41pm

re: #49 Rightwingconspirator

Did Bloomberg say Republicans or conservative thought? To give the GOP an exclusive overlap is wrong in numerous ways. For one it tarnishes decades of conservative thought with the current GOP extreme, a position demonstrably false. For another that serves the critics who would broad brush that very well in a self serving way. “MBF” does not change that.

California has a moderately fiscal conservative Governor. So much so he still needs a little help from the California GOP legislators to offset the further out there pols on the left.

From the article, Bloomberg appeared to be drawing all his conclusions from the difference in donations by Ivy Leaguers to Democrats and Republicans. So presumably Bloomberg thinks some kind of balance between the Democrats and Republicans would be better.

If the Republicans weren’t so consistently awful, I wouldn’t have a beef with Bloomberg’s position.

With respect to Jerry Brown in CA, I’m reluctant to call him a “conservative”. He seems fiscally sound, but that is hardly a “conservative” quality these days.

66 Gus  May 29, 2014 5:25:44pm

Almost 250,000 dead in the Syrian war with no end in sight. People dying of cancer every day with little hope for a cure for many people. Gun crimes. Mass shootings. Stabbings. Climate change. Sexual assaults. Hate crimes against people because of their religion, sexual orientation, or the color of their skin. Racism. Ethnocentrism. Xenophobia. Conflicts on the African continent and almost every continent. Joblessness. An unlivable minimum wage. Nuclear proliferation. Missing girls. Sex trafficking. Heroin addiction. Depression. Alcoholism. Drug abuse. Droughts. Ignorance. Coal burning and smog. Air pollution. Water pollution. Child abuse. Animal abuse. Unbearable student loans. Homelessness. Veterans care. Suicides.

Yet the most important thing in the world.

Edward Snowden.

67 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 5:25:45pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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One would almost think that the response was being carefully stage managed. But that would be cynical, wouldn’t it?

RBS

68 klys  May 29, 2014 5:26:04pm

re: #53 sagehen

Only in some majors.

If your higher education is an MBA, an accounting degree, or a pre-law econ major at certain top tier institutions, engineering, or you went to a military academy. Those skew conservative.

Right, I guess I forgot to add the actual ability to ask questions and think critically part, versus simple regurgitation of information.

//

Really, I should have remembered who started this conversation and just move along.

69 freetoken  May 29, 2014 5:26:58pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

I suspect it was a calculated Sister-Souljah-moment on Bloomberg’s part.

70 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 5:28:55pm

re: #64 Rightwingconspirator

This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the NSA and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.

It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.

71 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 5:29:02pm

re: #69 freetoken

I suspect it was a calculated Sister-Souljah-moment on Bloomberg’s part.

It’s hard to say. Bloomberg might be sincere. He’s certainly not an orthodox wingnut, given his financial support for gun control.

72 bratwurst  May 29, 2014 5:29:35pm

OH NOES!

73 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:30:13pm

Youtube Video

74 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 5:30:29pm

re: #68 klys

Right, I guess I forgot to add the actual ability to ask questions and think critically part, versus simple regurgitation of information.

//

Really, I should have remembered who started this conversation and just move along.

When I respond to trolling, it is for the encouragement of the readers, not for edification of the troll.

75 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 5:31:22pm

Police knew about killer’s videos during check (edit)

This was really sloppy police work. Were they deferential because “They found him shy, timid and polite” and, perhaps, even found his mother a little overwrought?

“They questioned him for 10 minutes and then briefed Rodger’s mother by telephone before having him speak to her directly.”

Read more at wral.com

76 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 5:31:45pm

It won’t surprise me at all if one or two more emails turn up from Snowden, also not actually doing any “whistleblowing” but something they can argue. This is what Greenwald and Poitras would have advised him to do at that point, after he had already begun stealing massive amounts of secret docs. Better to have something to argue with than nothing.

77 Gus  May 29, 2014 5:31:58pm
78 freetoken  May 29, 2014 5:31:59pm

Also, I disagree with the assertion that little appears to be getting done in DC because neither side “listens” to the other.

First, there is and always have been more than one “side” in the politics of a large nation like the US.

It’s not listening which isn’t being done. Rather, I contend one of the problems is that the nature of political theatre requires strong antagonists to be part of the story sold to the prospective voter.

The other big theme is the clash of worldviews, and this is not “listening” but outright denial, or rejection.

Bloomberg’s fallacy, among others, is that there is a syncretic middle that will solve the different belief systems.

79 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2014 5:32:01pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the NSA and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.

It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.

Yeah. If he was actually blowing the whistle, copies of his complaints would be important in order to prove exemptions under federal whistleblowing laws should he get shitcanned for going public. But we expect His Holiness Master Snowden - a self-proclaimed genius spy - not to think of such a thing? Come off it, mate.

80 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 5:32:42pm

re: #74 EPR-radar

When I respond to trolling, it is for the encouragement of the readers, not for edification of the troll.

Even so, this is much better than my other pastime at this moment, which is perusing a 1000+ comment wonder thread on DKos about Snowden and getting depressed about thriving stupidity among anti-Republicans.

81 NJDhockeyfan  May 29, 2014 5:33:01pm

It’s that time of year…Bilderberg! And Alex Jones has complete coverage…

82 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 5:33:17pm

re: #66 Gus

Almost 250,000 dead in the Syrian war with no end in sight. People dying of cancer every day with little hope for a cure for many people. Gun crimes. Mass shootings. Stabbings. Climate change. Sexual assaults. Hate crimes against people because of their religion, sexual orientation, or the color of their skin. Racism. Ethnocentrism. Xenophobia. Conflicts on the African continent and almost every continent. Joblessness. An unlivable minimum wage. Nuclear proliferation. Missing girls. Sex trafficking. Heroin addiction. Depression. Alcoholism. Drug abuse. Droughts. Ignorance. Coal burning and smog. Air pollution. Water pollution. Child abuse. Animal abuse. Unbearable student loans. Homelessness. Veterans care. Suicides.

Yet the most important thing in the world.

Edward Snowden.

Almost makes you wish the internet had never been invented. Almost.

83 freetoken  May 29, 2014 5:33:45pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

It’s hard to say. Bloomberg might be sincere. He’s certainly not an orthodox wingnut, given his financial support for gun control.

Bloomberg is a politician and I would not be surprised if he threw his hat into some race in 2016.

84 Gus  May 29, 2014 5:34:17pm

re: #72 bratwurst

OH NOES!

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Who?

I never liked Roseanne Barr since day one. Nothing’s changed really. I always had a sneaking suspicion she was the sort of douche canoe she’s turned out to be. I can’t censor something I never watched.

85 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:35:36pm

re: #77 Gus

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Don’t let it bum you out. I pay a bit of attention to the NSA stuff but I try to stick to the more important issues. Most of the Greenwald, Snowden stuff is easily ignored and avoided. Just tune it out.

86 NJDhockeyfan  May 29, 2014 5:36:23pm

This is some top notch reporting…

87 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 5:36:24pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing ordinary moderate conservatives and their thoughts with the modern extremist GOP. (edited to swap that right) If you are a progressive and want to tarnish one with the other for rhetorical gain, okay er, well played as they say.

If you want to speak in a fair description, then the vast gap between the TP GOP and moderate conservatism of past years like Eisenhower, or an acceptance of Roe V Wade as a plank, or in a parallel case when the NRA was for universal handgun registration has to be seen.

There should be room for moderate conservative thought to come up, get discussed and maybe even impact policy where appropriate. Are middle class tax reductions such an awful concept? That’s conservative old school. Tax cuts for the Waltons? Thats a modern GOP extreme policy, undeserving of the term conservative except when you turn the word into a curse.

88 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:37:29pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

It’s that time of year…Bilderberg! And Alex Jones has complete coverage…

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That reminds me that Tropico 5 also has a Bilderberg, NWO-type element to it. Pretty funny.

89 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:37:53pm

re: #72 bratwurst

I no longer can freely express my opinion here or anywhere in public

you just did, so, wrong

90 Bubblehead II  May 29, 2014 5:38:10pm

re: #29 Gus

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You know, get rid of the glasses, the lgf logo and legs, it’s not a Lizard. It’s a fucking prawn.

91 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 5:38:29pm

re: #86 NJDhockeyfan

This is some top notch reporting…

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I didn’t know David was actually his middle name. ////

RBS

92 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:38:44pm

re: #86 NJDhockeyfan

This is some top notch reporting…

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Is that a Ferrari logo on his shirt?

93 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 5:39:31pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

Geez messed that up at first.

94 Bubblehead II  May 29, 2014 5:39:44pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Yeah - that’s a bug in Firefox, so unfortunately there’s nothing I can do to fix it. It’s not adjusting the size of the embedded tweet properly.

Thanks.

95 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:40:09pm

Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne
Follow

I no longer can freely express my opinion here or

or, if you’re so censored why aren’t you arrested yet?

96 klys  May 29, 2014 5:40:18pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing ordinary moderate conservatives and their thoughts with the modern extremist GOP. (edited to swap that right) If you are a progressive and want to tarnish one with the other for rhetorical gain, okay er, well played as they say.

If you want to speak in a fair description, then the vast gap between the TP GOP and moderate conservatism of past years like Eisenhower, or an acceptance of Roe V Wade as a plank, or in a parallel case when the NRA was for universal handgun registration.

There should be room for moderate conservative thought to come up, get discussed and maybe even impact policy where appropriate. Are middle class tax reductions such an awful concept? That’s conservative old school. Tax cuts for the Waltons? Thats a modern GOP extreme policy, undeserving of the term conservative except when you turn the word into a curse.

I contend that it is more the current-day Republican party you need to chew on regarding this, as their base works to say that anyone who doesn’t agree with their extremist views is not a conservative.

97 NJDhockeyfan  May 29, 2014 5:41:41pm

re: #72 bratwurst

OH NOES!

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98 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 5:42:05pm

re: #72 bratwurst

OH NOES!

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Slippery slope! Free speech! Our democratic republic is circling the drain… //

99 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:42:24pm

re: #96 klys

I contend that it is more the current-day Republican party you need to chew on regarding this, as their base works to say that anyone who doesn’t agree with their extremist views is not a conservative.

Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.

100 klys  May 29, 2014 5:42:36pm

re: #97 NJDhockeyfan

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Because of all the possible retorts, let’s go straight for the one that comments on her appearance.

/sigh

101 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:43:05pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing ordinary moderate conserv

you’re already a ‘hardened leftist’ by the time you get that far

102 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 5:43:11pm
103 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 5:43:32pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing the modern extremist GOP with ordinary moderate conservatives and their thoughts. If you are a progressive and want to tarnish one with the other for rhetorical gain, okay er, well played as they say.

If you want to speak in a fair description, then the vast gap between the TP GOP and moderate conservatism of past years like Eisenhower, or an acceptance of Roe V Wade as a plank, or in a parallel case when the NRA was for universal handgun registration.

There should be room for moderate conservative thought to come up, get discussed and maybe even impact policy where appropriate. Are middle class tax reductions such an awful concept? That’s conservative old school. Tax cuts for the Waltons? Thats a modern GOP extreme policy, undeserving of the term conservative except when you turn the word into a curse.

For my part, when I refer to conservatives and conservatism, I usually have “movement conservatism” in mind, which is the aggressively reactionary mindset that has come to dominate the GOP during and since the Reagan years.

Moderates within the GOP have lost control of the party. Moderate conservatives have lost control of their brand.

When people are polled on what they associate “conservatives” with and the answers comes back “religious zealotry”, “bigotry”, “intolerance”, “hard-heartedness”, etc., that isn’t the fault of liberals saying bad things about conservatives. That is the fault of the movement conservatives.

104 Bubblehead II  May 29, 2014 5:43:46pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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My surprise. Let me show you.

Youtube Video

105 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 5:44:16pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the NSA and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.

It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.

What gets me is ideology is trumping logic in astounding places. Hence the moonbat/libertarian convergence. Gah. The Fox watching old drunk uncle I get. The smart young hard working post grad kinda person just kills me on this. Critical thinking fail.

106 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2014 5:44:24pm

re: #30 Justanotherhuman

Oh, sorry. My mistake—s/b Special Forces. Will correct.

Somehow I see Young Edward as more the Special Services type.

107 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:44:37pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.

oh the humanity

108 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2014 5:46:14pm

re: #95 dog philosopher

Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne
Follow

I no longer can freely express my opinion here or

or, if you’re so censored why aren’t you arrested yet?

I thought Roseanne Barr was Loony Left, out in Naderland.

109 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2014 5:46:31pm

Much of what we are calling moderate conservatism is stuff you see in the Democratic Party today. Tax cuts for the middle class is something Obama has consistently championed. Tax relief for small business.

110 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 5:46:32pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.

I don’t know, I’m a gun owning moderate liberal and I don’t find any problems, but maybe that’s just me.

RBS

111 bratwurst  May 29, 2014 5:46:59pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.

Let me play this for you…

112 klys  May 29, 2014 5:48:06pm

re: #110 RealityBasedSteve

I don’t know, I’m a gun owning moderate liberal and I don’t find any problems, but maybe that’s just me.

RBS

Sorry I didn’t send you any of that Greek bean salad. It came out really well.

113 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 5:48:12pm

I think Conor Friedersderp published something today attacking Greenwald’s critics, but you can’t make me read it.

114 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2014 5:48:24pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.

A lot easier than being a moderate conservative among conservatives. Look at it this way, has there been anything close to something resembling the Blue Dog Caucus within the GOP since they retook control of the House? I will grant you that progressive bloggers/activists can be just as purist as their right wing counterparts but moderate liberals have a lot easier go at it than do moderate conservatives do.

115 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 5:49:23pm

Hmm. Maybe it’s not a done deal and Ballmer won’t get his toy after all.

Donald Sterling’s lawyer told me that Sterling already has ‘a couple billion dollars,’ so ‘he could not care less’ about Steve Ballmer’s $2 billion bid - @byandreachang
see original on twitter.com

21m
Editor’s note: While the Los Angeles Times is reporting that Steve Ballmer is set to buy the Los Angeles Clippers for $2 billion, the Associated Press and NBC Los Angeles are citing sources saying bids are still being negotiated. - Tom
End of note

116 Bubblehead II  May 29, 2014 5:49:24pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the NSA corporate america and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.

It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.

117 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 5:49:50pm

re: #112 klys

Sorry I didn’t send you any of that Greek bean salad. It came out really well.

I knew it would… I wasn’t holding my breath waiting on the fex-ex man. :) My grandfather, (a good Greek and a classical trained chef) used to fix something very much like that for himself often.

Peasant fare, it’s hard to go wrong some times.

RBS

118 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 5:49:53pm

re: #103 EPR-radar

For my part, when I refer to conservatives and conservatism, I usually have “movement conservatism” in mind, which is the aggressively reactionary mindset that has come to dominate the GOP during and since the Reagan years.

Moderates within the GOP have lost control of the party. Moderate conservatives have lost control of their brand.

When people are polled on what they associate “conservatives” with and the answers comes back “religious zealotry”, “bigotry”, “intolerance”, “hard-heartedness”, etc., that isn’t the fault of liberals saying bad things about conservatives. That is the fault of the movement conservatives.

*Sigh* Much truth there. None of which changes the utility of moderate conservative views or policy. Or where I sit in politics. On one hand if I say okay the word is gone, I need a new word. OTOH, fuck these guys that stole the brand. I’m not giving it up, as I may have to explain what I mean to progressives from time to time.

I can’t change my nic to rightwingmoderateconservative, what a mouthful!! LOL. Nobody said indy/moderate was easy.

119 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 5:50:12pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.

seriously, what do you think is the difference between “moderate liberal’ and ‘progressive’?

Youth Wants To Know

120 klys  May 29, 2014 5:50:51pm

re: #115 Justanotherhuman

Sterling’s lawyer is also still saying that he’s fighting the sale while TMZ reports that there’s a piece of paper signed by Sterling giving his wife permission to negotiate the sale. Who knows at this point.

121 klys  May 29, 2014 5:51:58pm

re: #117 RealityBasedSteve

I knew it would… I wasn’t holding my breath waiting on the fex-ex man. :) My grandfather, (a good Greek and a classical trained chef) used to fix something very much like that for himself often.

Peasant fare, it’s hard to go wrong some times.

RBS

I’m going to try round 2 with it this weekend, this time cutting back on the olive oil a little bit. We’re hauling the trailer out for a test run since I fixed the charger and I figure it will be a tasty dinner out at the campsite.

122 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 5:52:01pm

re: #101 dog philosopher

LOL. “Former conservative turned hard leftist” is what they call me in certain swampish low lying areas of the internet. U know who I mean.

123 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 5:52:16pm

re: #111 bratwurst

Let me play this for you…

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Now, now, it was really hard on all those moderate liberals when they cheered on the cops who were pepper spraying all the out of control progressives. //

124 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2014 5:53:31pm

To me though the problem with conservatism at least in the US is that it’s become about social conservatism above all else. You can’t make it far as a conservative elected official in this country without staking out some quite conservative views on the social issues. Jim DeMint of Heritage and also kingmaker for many a Republican Senate candidate these days has flat out said you cannot be fiscally conservative without being socially conservative. And while that’s not true in the literal sense, it is I suppose in the sense that you have to be both socially conservative and fiscally so if you have any hope of making it in national politics as a Republican. What the few moderate conservatives left need to do is come up with a solid response to the nutjobs.

125 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 5:54:26pm

re: #84 Gus

Who?

I never liked Roseanne Barr since day one. Nothing’s changed really. I always had a sneaking suspicion she was the sort of douche canoe she’s turned out to be. I can’t censor something I never watched.

Neither did I. She was no feminist icon, either, like some thought. I never, ever think of entertainers that way. They’re in the entertainment business for a reason—to make money—not for a cause.

126 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 5:55:08pm

re: #110 RealityBasedSteve

I don’t know, I’m a gun owning moderate liberal and I don’t find any problems, but maybe that’s just me.

RBS

Dkos discussions with gun owning liberals get pretty heated but I haven’t paid much attention. I’m not a gun person and fairly agnostic on gun control.

127 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 5:56:14pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

To me though the problem with conservatism at least in the US is that it’s become about social conservatism above all else. You can’t make it far as a conservative elected official in this country without staking out some quite conservative views on the social issues. Jim DeMint of Heritage and also kingmaker for many a Republican Senate candidate these days has flat out said you cannot be fiscally conservative without being socially conservative. And while that’s not true in the literal sense, it is I suppose in the sense that you have to be both socially conservative and fiscally so if you have any hope of making it in national politics as a Republican. What the few moderate conservatives left need to do is come up with a solid response to the nutjobs.

I don’t have to live in the electoral or rhetorical world he is so powerful in. Thank heavens. I live in the real world. Unelectable.

128 Gus  May 29, 2014 5:56:29pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

It’s that time of year…Bilderberg! And Alex Jones has complete coverage…

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129 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 5:58:56pm

re: #84 Gus

Who?

I never liked Roseanne Barr since day one. Nothing’s changed really. I always had a sneaking suspicion she was the sort of douche canoe she’s turned out to be. I can’t censor something I never watched.

When I first saw her doing standup, I thought that she was just tolerably funny, and was pretty much a “1 trick pony” in my opinion. She had her hour upon the stage, but unfortunately nobody has told her that the curtain has gone down. This is her way to try and stay in the ‘D’ list celeb list.

130 wrenchwench  May 29, 2014 5:58:58pm

re: #86 NJDhockeyfan

This is some top notch reporting…

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Creepy.

Infowars reporter photographs stalks Bilderberger David Petraeus jogging.

131 Stanley Sea  May 29, 2014 5:59:14pm

Reporting that binding agreement signed between Ballmer & Sterling Trust.

bleah.

132 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 5:59:22pm

re: #118 Rightwingconspirator

*Sigh* Much truth here. None of which changes the utility of moderate conservative views or policy. Or where I sit in politics. On one hand if I say okay the word is gone, I need a new word. OTOH, fuck these guys that stole the brand. I’m not giving it up, as I may have to explain what I mean to progressives from time to time.

I can’t change my nic to rightwingmoderateconservative, what a mouthful!! LOL. Nobody said indy/moderate was easy.

Welcome to my world. Being a moderate conservative is kinda like being a moderate Muslim—your brand has already been totally screwed by the fanatics, so no one believes you even exist anymore.

Still, the ones who truly deserve our pity & compassion are the poor, poor moderate liberals. //

133 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2014 5:59:47pm

re: #127 Rightwingconspirator

I don’t have to live in the electoral or rhetorical world he is so powerful in. Thank heavens. I live in the real world. Unelectable.

Definitely. I’m just saying that his mindset is all too common among people who nominate conservatives. I think it’s stupid since I honestly feel that social liberalism is much more fiscally conservative than social conservatism. But that’s another point.

134 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 6:01:05pm

re: #119 dog philosopher

seriously, what do you think is the difference between “moderate liberal’ and ‘progressive’?

Youth Wants To Know

Wikipedia has some good articles on classical liberalism, progressive philosophies and how they differ. you can start there.

135 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 6:01:29pm

re: #119 dog philosopher

what do you think is the difference between “moderate liberal’ and ‘progressive’?

it’s a serious question, KT

i am really wondering what the difference is

136 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 6:01:49pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Somehow I see Young Edward as more the Special Services type.

yep, “Socks and Jocks”, not a “Snake Eater”.

RBS

137 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 6:03:14pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Wikipedia has some good articles on classical liberalism, progressive philosophies and how they differ. you can start there.

no, i want to know what you think the differences are

vague references to articles is just evasion - it leads me to think you really have no idea what you mean by either term

138 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:03:50pm

Don’t talk to me. I’m still mad about my Les Paul.

139 Gus  May 29, 2014 6:03:55pm

140 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 6:04:24pm

*whistles, ignores Charles…*

141 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:04:49pm

Bastards.

142 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 6:04:56pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Wikipedia has some good articles on classical liberalism, progressive philosophies and how they differ. you can start there.

wikipedia:

Classical liberalism, a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

Progressivism is a broad political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization can improve the human condition

so what’s the difference, then?

143 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 6:05:23pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

Bastards.

How many years ago was this? //

144 kirkspencer  May 29, 2014 6:05:56pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing ordinary moderate conservatives and their thoughts with the modern extremist GOP. (edited to swap that right) If you are a progressive and want to tarnish one with the other for rhetorical gain, okay er, well played as they say.

If you want to speak in a fair description, then the vast gap between the TP GOP and moderate conservatism of past years like Eisenhower, or an acceptance of Roe V Wade as a plank, or in a parallel case when the NRA was for universal handgun registration has to be seen.

There should be room for moderate conservative thought to come up, get discussed and maybe even impact policy where appropriate. Are middle class tax reductions such an awful concept? That’s conservative old school. Tax cuts for the Waltons? Thats a modern GOP extreme policy, undeserving of the term conservative except when you turn the word into a curse.

I would have more sympathy for this if it weren’t for the way ‘liberal’ gets treated. Go look at KT’s number 5 again and see how he cheers because Bloomberg hammers Ivy League colleges for being liberal. Because apparently liberal == extremist.

Aside to KT - that post is a specific example why I roll my eyes when you call yourself a moderate liberal. If liberal is a dirty word, you’re not one, moderate or otherwise.

145 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2014 6:06:56pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

How many years ago was this? //

Watch it CL… Yer poking a hornets nest with a short stick. :)

RBS

146 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 6:07:03pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

I had a friend who was so much more conservative than yours truly. He lived up the mountain above Palm Springs/Hemet. He would (jokingly) compare me to the squirrel who would panic in the middle of the road instead of running to one side or the other, and get run over or off the cliff.

My response? “Oh no you just have this narrow view. The mountain itself is what is in the middle, the road is just a road the squirrel just a victim of those who fail to pay attention”

147 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:07:41pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

How many years ago was this? //

Seems like yesterday.

148 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 6:07:49pm

re: #135 dog philosopher

it’s a serious question, KT

i am really wondering what the difference is

Oh, sorry. I assumed you were just yanking my chain.
Classical Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism and Modern Conservatism
This seems a fair enough article if you’re interested.

149 wrenchwench  May 29, 2014 6:08:17pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Don’t talk to me. I’m still mad about my Les Paul.

That reminded me of a song, but it didn’t exist on the internet, so I had to learn how to use Windows Movie Maker so I can put it on the internet, and it’s still downloading.

10 more minutes.

150 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:08:47pm

That airline is now out of business. So my broken Les Paul has the last laugh.

151 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 6:08:52pm

re: #137 dog philosopher

no, i want to know what you think the differences are

vague references to articles is just evasion - it leads me to think you really have no idea what you mean by either term

Ah, ok. Maybe you are just yanking my chain. Carry on then, good luck

152 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 6:09:04pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Don’t talk to me. I’m still mad about my Les Paul.

Just so you know, that airline destroying your Les Paul isn’t nearly as bad as being a moderate liberal among progressives.

153 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2014 6:09:45pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

Just so you know, that airline destroying your Les Paul isn’t nearly as bad as being a moderate liberal among progressives.

Not that we’d know anything about that, because we’re all progressives here. Yes, sir, card-carrying members of the Progressive Club of America.

154 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 6:10:20pm

Morons with guns annoying people.

Youtube Video

So, if I’m armed in an open carry state and some yoyo carrying a rifle comes up to my car uninvited, I’m going to shoot his balls off.

Stand Your Ground, y’all.

155 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 6:10:52pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Oh, sorry. I assumed you were just yanking my chain.
Classical Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism and Modern Conservatism
This seems a fair enough article if you’re interested.

well, thank you for taking me seriously, but in truth, citing vague and long winded articles by other people is not helpful

i was asking you what you think the difference is, preferably in your own words

156 wrenchwench  May 29, 2014 6:11:30pm

In the meantime, this gave me some insight to a few people.

[…]

Remember that stuff about crazy people and bad code? The internet is that except it’s literally a billion times worse. Websites that are glorified shopping carts with maybe three dynamic pages are maintained by teams of people around the clock, because the truth is everything is breaking all the time, everywhere, for everyone. Right now someone who works for Facebook is getting tens of thousands of error messages and frantically trying to find the problem before the whole charade collapses. There’s a team at a Google office that hasn’t slept in three days. Somewhere there’s a database programmer surrounded by empty Mountain Dew bottles whose husband thinks she’s dead. And if these people stop, the world burns. Most people don’t even know what sysadmins do, but trust me, if they all took a lunch break at the same time they wouldn’t make it to the deli before you ran out of bullets protecting your canned goods from roving bands of mutants.

[…]

RTWT.

157 darthstar  May 29, 2014 6:12:18pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the NSA and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.

It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.

GG nurtured Snowden, he encouraged him, and he advised him along the way. His conspiracy to steal classified information should carry a far greater sentence than Snowden’s actually taking it…

158 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:13:16pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

That post may be the best thing I’ve ever read.

159 darthstar  May 29, 2014 6:14:59pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

In the meantime, this gave me some insight to a few people.

RTWT.

Heh…I actually said/wrote this in context at work today when fixing a bug with Gmail contact imports:

160 wrenchwench  May 29, 2014 6:15:39pm

2 minutes. Here’s a cartoon.

161 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2014 6:15:44pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

How many years ago was this? //

Ixnay. Now it would be vintage.

162 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:16:17pm

I need a trigger warning for all images of tobacco sunburst Les Pauls.

I’m kinda kidding but kinda not.

163 wrenchwench  May 29, 2014 6:16:57pm

Shoot. Now it’s ‘processing’.

164 klys  May 29, 2014 6:17:21pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

I need a trigger warning for all images of tobacco sunburst Les Pauls.

I’m kinda kidding but kinda not.

That’s censorship, and an example of everything that’s wrong with the progressive left these days.

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165 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 6:19:47pm

re: #155 dog philosopher

well, thank you for taking me seriously, but in truth, citing vague and long winded articles by other people is not helpful

i was asking you what you think the difference is, preferably in your own words

Hmm, I wonder if just pointing to an article will work for me next time someone asks me to explain about moderate Muslims vs. extremists… That could work to my benefit as I’d never actually have to reveal my personal opinion on anything, thereby possibly giving someone ammunition to use against me in the future.

166 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:20:10pm

A great read: The Liberal Case for the NSA.

167 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2014 6:20:12pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

In the meantime, this gave me some insight to a few people.

RTWT.

We are the sentinels of your modern society. We stand silent watch, cell phones programmed to ring with a horrifying, soul-rending tone should something go bump in the night. Also, we’re all slightly touched in the head, but you knew that already.

168 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 6:21:07pm

re: #154 Skip Intro

It’s a dumb stunt, looks stupid in most places.

That having been said…
Did anyone appear bothered or annoyed? Noticed zero police presence. if there had been a complaint, they would show up, or if they perceived any threat at all.

That looks like they did this in a place where it was just preaching to the choir. Most seemed happy to honk in agreement if anything indicated at all.

As I said this looks stupid. But it also shows there are places where open carry is just meh. Nobody cares much. It’s ordinary. It’s just not at all like NYC, L.A. where it would scare the hell out of folks.

Did you see anyone bothered at all? Any threat? I might have missed something.

169 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 6:21:24pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. Maybe you are just yanking my chain. Carry on then, good luck

evade much?

170 Pie-onist Overlord  May 29, 2014 6:22:11pm

re: #84 Gus

Who?

I never liked Roseanne Barr since day one. Nothing’s changed really. I always had a sneaking suspicion she was the sort of douche canoe she’s turned out to be. I can’t censor something I never watched.

For some reason the “Jewish Daily Forward” just hearts them some Roseanne Barr. Don’t ask me why.

171 wrenchwench  May 29, 2014 6:24:08pm

OK! I made a video audio with a picture. Second verse is for those who mourn a guitar.

Youtube Video

Later, lizards.

172 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2014 6:24:33pm

This is for Charles…

Les Paul Live in New York City with Tommy Emmanuel

Les Paul was 90 when he was celebrated at the Iridium.

Later, Lizards. : )

173 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:24:34pm
174 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 6:24:51pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

I need a trigger warning for all images of tobacco sunburst Les Pauls.

I’m kinda kidding but kinda not.

Remember this from the other day? Kinda sounds like “center left” too now, doesn’t it? LOL // Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

I’m warning you, don’t press that button!!1!

175 Pie-onist Overlord  May 29, 2014 6:25:13pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Don’t talk to me. I’m still mad about my Les Paul.

I had a Gibson J-45 that was disfigured by Air France. It’s not just United that breaks guitars.

176 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 6:25:15pm

re: #154 Skip Intro

So, if I’m armed in an open carry state and some yoyo carrying a rifle comes up to my car uninvited, I’m going to shoot his balls off.

Stand Your Ground, y’all.

Skip, I get you don’t really mean that. Please, please don’t go there- threatening anyone with violence. Not good optics for this little oasis on the internet.

177 compound_Idaho  May 29, 2014 6:25:21pm

re: #6 JustMark

Glass? That is a pretty nebulus term. Are we talking shot, juice glass, or 7-11 super gulp?

178 Bubblehead II  May 29, 2014 6:26:22pm

Night Lizards.

179 EPR-radar  May 29, 2014 6:26:33pm

re: #155 dog philosopher

well, thank you for taking me seriously, but in truth, citing vague and long winded articles by other people is not helpful

i was asking you what you think the difference is, preferably in your own words

This article has 22 citations, 5 of which are to Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism.

180 Stanley Sea  May 29, 2014 6:26:35pm

CNN the 60’s showing. Excellent old clips I haven’t seen.

181 Amory Blaine  May 29, 2014 6:27:10pm

$900k Americans For Prosperity Ad Stars Kenosha Nutty Tax Delinquent

National press took time on Monday to comment on Americans for Prosperity’s ad buy of just under $900,000 to bolster the Scott Walker reelection. They didn’t name him directly (*coughs* *John Doe*), instead they let the folks in the commercial do the talking.

Too bad for all that money, they didn’t bother vetting the people featured in the ad…because there was Kenosha’s Pam Stevens, right there in living color talking about classroom spending like she was still on the Kenosha School Board and not shilling for dollars at Herbalife and owing the state $30,000 in taxes.

182 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:28:38pm
183 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 6:29:10pm

re: #168 Rightwingconspirator

It’s a dumb stunt, looks stupid in most places.

That having been said…
Did anyone appear bothered or annoyed? Noticed zero police presence. if there had been a complaint, they would show up, or if they perceived any threat at all.

That looks like they did this in a place where it was just preaching to the choir. Most seemed happy to honk in agreement if anything indicated at all.

As I said this looks stupid. But it also shows there are places where open carry is just meh. Nobody cares much. It’s ordinary. It’s just not at all like NYC, L.A. where it would scare the hell out of folks.

Did you see anyone bothered at all? Any threat? I might have missed something.

Oh, there was a police presence. And a law.

Two weeks ago the Arlington City Council made it far more difficult for pedestrians to hand out literature to motorists passing through busy intersections — and by pedestrians, the council was more or less referring to members of Open Carry Tarrant County handing out pamphlets and pocket-sized copies of the U.S. Constitution.

Of course the gun humpers are suing for their right to intimidate people just trying to get from here to there without getting shot.

thescoopblog.dallasnews.com

I’ll say it again. You approach my vehicle carrying a weapon and I’m going to shoot you.

Clear?

184 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 6:31:14pm

re: #176 Rightwingconspirator

Skip, I get you don’t really mean that. Please, please don’t go there- threatening anyone with violence. Not good optics for this little oasis on the internet.

Oh, I’m sorry. What am I supposed to think when an armed stranger just wanders up to my car and starts banging on the window? Isn’t that why SYG laws were created?

185 Gus  May 29, 2014 6:31:22pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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Was at that very same page earlier.

186 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 6:32:04pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Remember this from the other day? Kinda sounds like “center left” too now, doesn’t it? LOL // Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

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I’m warning you, don’t press that button!!1!

You’ve gotta look out for Gus’ Incredible Hulk button too—barely tap it and he’ll start flipping desks all over the place. //

187 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2014 6:32:48pm

re: #159 darthstar

Heh…I actually said/wrote this in context at work today when fixing a bug with Gmail contact imports:

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We have a quote board at work. Truthfully, we need several, because our team is so large. My quotes relate to the theme of, “Holy crap, that actually worked! Now, what did I do that made it work?”

188 Gus  May 29, 2014 6:33:14pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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189 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2014 6:33:46pm

re: #183 Skip Intro

Oh, there was a police presence. And a law.

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Of course the gun humpers are suing for their right to intimidate people just trying to get from here to there without getting shot.

thescoopblog.dallasnews.com

I’ll say it again. You approach my vehicle carrying a weapon and I’m going to shoot you.

Clear?

Justifiable Ironic Homicide

190 Gus  May 29, 2014 6:35:50pm

re: #186 CuriousLurker

You’ve gotta look out for Gus’ Incredible Hulk button too—barely tap it and he’ll start flipping desks all over the place. //

Been a while since I flipped desks in here. :D

191 Pie-onist Overlord  May 29, 2014 6:36:42pm
192 austin_blue  May 29, 2014 6:37:12pm

re: #63 freetoken

I am probably a minority on this one, but I think “capital gains” should be treated as income, save perhaps for the cases where an in-kind trade is made (say trading someone pieces of art.)

Indexed for inflation, yes.

193 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 6:37:30pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Justifiable Ironic Homicide

Moronic homicide?

Why can’t these pinheads just do their jerking off in their parent’s garage?

194 CuriousLurker  May 29, 2014 6:39:16pm

re: #190 Gus

Been a while since I flipped desks in here. :D

Oh yeah, here, but what about Twitter?? //

195 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 6:40:47pm
196 EmmaAnne  May 29, 2014 6:45:37pm

re: #159 darthstar

Heh…I actually said/wrote this in context at work today when fixing a bug with Gmail contact imports:

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Please explain this joke from the article:

Funny, right? No? How about this exchange:

“Is that called arrayReverse?”
“s/camel/_/”
“Cool thanks.”

Wasn’t that guy helpful? With the camel? Doesn’t that seem like an appropriate response? No? Good. You can still find Jesus. You have not yet spent so much of your life reading code that you begin to talk in it.

197 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 6:51:02pm

re: #184 Skip Intro

Obviously you are more threatened by the idea than the gun slung on a shoulder. If you ever go to Tucson try to stay out of the news.

Good night.

198 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 6:52:38pm

re: #197 Rightwingconspirator

Obviously you are more threatened by the idea than the gun slung on a shoulder.

Good night.

SYG meets Open Carry. Now there’s an idea for a blood soaked action movie.

199 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 6:53:04pm

The horrible story of the woman stoned to death just keeps getting worse and worse. Earlier today we learned that the family killed her because the wanted a larger dowry. Now this…
I killed my first wife, stoned Pakistani woman’s husband says

The husband of Farzana Parveen, the Pakistani woman stoned to death for refusing to participate in an arranged marriage, told CNN he killed his first wife so he could marry Parveen.

Authorities said the first wife was killed six years ago.

“I wanted to send a proposal to Farzana, so I killed my wife,” Mohammad Iqbal said Thursday in an interview with CNN.

200 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 6:54:44pm
Iqbal was arrested but later released on bail because his son forgave him, Hameed said.
201 urbanmeemaw  May 29, 2014 6:55:29pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

It’s not too bad.

202 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 6:55:51pm

re: #183 Skip Intro

I’ll say it again. You approach my vehicle carrying a weapon and I’m going to shoot you. Clear?

Not cool.

203 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 6:57:59pm

Speaking of ignoring Snowden…
More People Watched a CSI Rerun Than NBC’s Snowden Interview

204 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2014 6:59:56pm

re: #202 Rightwingconspirator

Not cool.

More than cool enough for a Florida jury.

205 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 7:00:10pm

re: #202 Rightwingconspirator

Not cool.

You have any idea how many people get killed in the Bay Area every week because some lunatic with a gun decides to shoot at a car? You think a sane person seeing a stranger with a gun approaching is just going to do nothing? I thought gunners were big on “self defense”.

Hey, this is your culture. The gun owners got open carry made acceptable in law. The gun owners got Stand Your Ground made into law. Are you blind to the consequences of these actions?

206 Stanley Sea  May 29, 2014 7:00:35pm

re: #201 urbanmeemaw

It’s not too bad.

Ya. I guess this first episode was “television” I have not seen many of those clips. Esp the young, very very young George Carlin.

207 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 7:03:46pm

re: #205 Skip Intro

You have any idea how many people get killed in the Bay Area every week because some lunatic with a gun decides to shoot at a car? You think a sane person seeing a stranger with a gun approaching is just going to do nothing? I thought gunners were big on “self defense”.

Hey, this is your culture. The gun owners got open carry made acceptable in law. The gun owners got Stand Your Ground made into law. Are you blind to the consequences of these actions?

I’m happy to have a calm discussion about most any of this. You just don’t fit the calm part at the moment. Let’s let this go for now.

208 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 7:03:52pm

(retracted)

209 Stanley Sea  May 29, 2014 7:03:57pm

Well, if you are interested, you have another chance. The 60’s playing again on CNN. All about 60’s TV.

210 Gus  May 29, 2014 7:04:28pm

re: #191 Pie-onist Overlord

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211 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 7:05:06pm

re: #207 Rightwingconspirator

I’m happy to have a calm discussion about most any of this. You just don’t fit the calm part at the moment. Let’s let this go for now.

I’ll drop it too.

212 Gus  May 29, 2014 7:05:06pm

Patriot! Hahahaha! What a country.

213 teleskiguy  May 29, 2014 7:05:48pm

Hey Lizards who are arguing about guns! I liked this article, not particularly fond of the source but this article has some good ideas.

gawker.com

I’m a gun owner. I own rifles and a shotgun. I refuse to buy a handgun, handguns are made to kill people. There’s more utility in the guns that I own.

Then again, I don’t live in Florida, where there’s an individual arms race and inside of 20 years every public place will be filled with yahoos who have guns. Specifically pistols that are concealed.

214 TedStriker  May 29, 2014 7:06:39pm

re: #190 Gus

Been a while since I flipped desks in here. :D

I’ll do it…

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215 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2014 7:06:59pm

re: #214 TedStriker

I’ll do it…

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DAMMIT! I spent HOURS organizing that.///

216 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 7:08:24pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

…and your response to these laws is to shoot legal gun owners if they get near your car?

So how do I know whether they’re good guy legal gun owners or bad guy legal gun owners, and why the hell are they approaching my car armed in the first place? At the very least, it’s intimidation, at the worst they may be planning on shooting me.

Squeegee men were outlawed in New York City because they intimidated drivers, but gun toting goons can walk freely up to my car legally?

What kind of a crazy fucking country has this become, anyway?

217 teleskiguy  May 29, 2014 7:08:34pm

re: #213 teleskiguy

In a weird perverse way I am actually ALL FOR THIS.

Require all modern firearms sold to men to be plated permanently in high-gloss pink. No, really. Shiny hot pink guns are harder to conceal illicitly and easier for the unarmed to spot and avoid. This would be a win-win for America: Either macho gun culture would spurn pink guns and there’d be fewer pistol-packing men with something to prove, or they’d bite the bullet and acculturate to pink guns… and then, maybe, our culture might finally get over its dumb coding of pink as “girly.”

218 kirkspencer  May 29, 2014 7:09:48pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

…and your response to these laws is to shoot legal gun owners if they get near your car?

(and with only a little /) Rodgers was a legal gun owner until he went on his rampage. So was Adam Lanza.

“legal” and “non-threatening” are two separate issues.

The argument of SYG is that if you believe you are sufficiently threatened you do not have to flee but instead can use deadly force to defend yourself. Not “would reasonable people believe themselves threatened,” but you the person who pulled the trigger. The jury has to decide whether or not you really believed yourself to be under threat.

If someone bearing a weapon comes to the window and starts banging on it, especially when there have been carjackings and muggins and shootings, “fear for your life” is a valid stance.

219 teleskiguy  May 29, 2014 7:10:06pm

Hello Kitty! BLAM BLAM BLAM

220 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:12:13pm

Gun Owners of America: USDA Buying Guns, Armor to Prepare for ‘Confrontation with American Citizens,’ Dictatorship

*sigh*

Some people are so booorrrriinnnggg.

221 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 7:13:46pm

re: #213 teleskiguy

Most of my guns are handguns, some highly modified for speed competition. To me they are all sporting guns for the duration of my ownership. Even the one I have carried at work has never been out of the holster in anger or defense. Not once and I intend to keep it that way. And my choice is all wrong for plenty of people out there.

Should anyone ever present a real threat to us under my roof, everything is in play to keep us safe from assault. Starts with good doors and locks. :-)

222 Stanley Sea  May 29, 2014 7:14:07pm
223 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 7:14:35pm

i think gum ownership should be outlawed

im so tired of scraping it offa my shoes im ready to shoot someone

224 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:14:45pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

The horrible story of the woman stoned to death just keeps getting worse and worse. Earlier today we learned that the family killed her because the wanted a larger dowry. Now this…
I killed my first wife, stoned Pakistani woman’s husband says

Drew Peterson of Pakistan?

225 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:16:13pm

re: #221 Rightwingconspirator

Most of my guns are handguns, some highly modified for speed competition. To me they are all sporting guns for the duration of my ownership. Even the one I have carried at work has never been out of the holster in anger or defense. Not once and I intend to keep it that way. And my choice is all wrong for plenty of people out there.

Should anyone ever present a real threat to us under my roof, everything is in play to keep us safe from assault. Starts with good doors and locks. :-)

and a dog that barks

226 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 7:17:50pm

re: #225 FemNaziBitch

and a dog that barks

Right I forgot my spayshul forces attack trained Maine Coon Kitty!
(No dogs allowed at my address)

227 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 7:18:26pm

the only remedy for a bad man with a god is a good man with a dog

228 coin operated  May 29, 2014 7:22:46pm

Lizards….

SpaceX unveiling next generation Dragon…the V2. Human-rated craft.
Link

229 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 7:23:05pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Is that a Ferrari logo on his shirt?

No, that’s the patch of the 1st Cavalry Division, in which David Petraeus formerly served. Like the Ferrari logo, it is black and yellow.

230 Lidane  May 29, 2014 7:23:24pm

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

Gun Owners of America: USDA Buying Guns, Armor to Prepare for ‘Confrontation with American Citizens,’ Dictatorship

Wheee!

231 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 7:23:35pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

No, that’s the patch if the 1st Cavalry Division, in which David Petraeus formerly served. Like the Ferrari logo, it is black and yellow.

ah, thanks

232 teleskiguy  May 29, 2014 7:24:44pm

re: #221 Rightwingconspirator

Most of my guns are handguns, some highly modified for speed competition. To me they are all sporting guns for the duration of my ownership. Even the one I have carried at work has never been out of the holster in anger or defense. Not once and I intend to keep it that way. And my choice is all wrong for plenty of people out there.

Should anyone ever present a real threat to us under my roof, everything is in play to keep us safe from assault. Starts with good doors and locks. :-)

I’m all for sport shooting. I actually enjoyed watching that show “Top Shot” I forget the network it was on. I just have an aversion to pistols, ever since I first shot one. First time I shot a pistol (Glock 23 9mm) I thought to myself “This is just too easy. Too easy to inflict maximum harm at a close distance.” The worst gun massacre outside of war in US history was Virginia Tech and it was carried out with semi-automatic pistols.

That’s why I really respect seasoned bow hunters. You gotta work for that perfect shot. With pistols (and in the hunting realm - one could argue - high-powered rifles with scopes), it’s too easy.

And when it comes to my home defense, my Springfield pump action 12 gauge that I got from my pa when I was a teenager is in a wood and glass case, if the shit really hits the fan I can break the glass to get it out in a pinch. Problem is, there’s statistically like .3 murders a year in my whole county. :-)

233 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 7:25:21pm

In lighter news, after running every possible angle on the Obama birth certificate “controversy”, Fox News has now moved on to demanding the release of the certified copy (I just made that up) of Hillary Clinton’s MRI (I didn’t make that up).

The order has been sent from Fox News Headquarters to every single RW pundit in the country, and they’re all complying.

Charles Hurt, Washington Times:

In any event it was an awkward MRI moment that should have gotten the former first lady checked into a rubber room for further evaluation.

And, if she really wants to be president, the American people have a right to know what the results of that MRI showed.

Mary Kissel, WSJ:

My other point is, this will be an issue in the 2016 race whether she likes it or not. Every presidential candidate is asked for all of their health records, by the New York Times, they turn them over — and vice presidential candidates — they turn them over to a battery of doctors and they examine them in detail.

And, of course, Sarah Palin:

Hillary’s Brain is off limits, but attacks on my son were ok

I think I see a pattern here.

234 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2014 7:27:01pm

I hate it when my vertebrae act up. Knock it off, backbone.

235 Gus  May 29, 2014 7:27:18pm
236 Lidane  May 29, 2014 7:28:24pm

White supremacist douchecanoe says what?

237 teleskiguy  May 29, 2014 7:29:15pm

re: #234 Charles Johnson

I hate it when my vertebrae act up. Knock it off, backbone.

Back spasms. Hate that shit. Sometimes I tweak my back skiing or riding my bike. Sucks when you can just sit there without pain and spasms.

Basically Charles, I feel for ya.

238 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:29:16pm

<blockquote>Too often, people like to point out atrocities in other parts of the world and play an oppression Olympics of sorts. We hear about stolen girls in Nigeria or a woman gang-raped on a bus in New Delhi or women who ride in separate train cars in Japan. We all say something about how awful it must be to be a woman in those countries, as if women are treated so much better here.

Yeah, it’s Paged.

239 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 7:29:27pm

And as if often the case, Massachusetts response to a shooting is a overbroad and punitive law:

Massachusetts lawmakers propose ‘may-issue’ gun ownership bill (VIDEO)

Though Massachusetts already has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, several state lawmakers are aiming to ratchet up restrictions on gun ownership in the hope of curbing violence.

On Tuesday, House Speaker Robert A. DeLeo announced a proposal tantamount to an overhaul of the state’s gun laws, including expanding the state’s ‘may-issue’ concealed carry policy to cover not only the carry of handguns, but the ownership of handguns, rifles and shotguns.

Under current law, a resident needs to first pass a state-run background check to obtain a Firearms Identification Card before being allowed to own a firearm. Unlike with a state-issued concealed carry permit, this ‘shall-issue’ process for a Firearms Identification Card does not require the consent of law enforcement.

DeLeo’s proposal would change this so that obtaining a Firearms Identification Card would not only include a background check but also require law enforcement to evaluate one’s “suitability” to own a firearm.

In short, one’s Second Amendment right would be subject to the discretion of law enforcement.

Bolding mine.

I’m pretty confident the courts will strike this law down if it is enacted. Someone should lose the right to own a gun if they commit a felony or go crazy, but to permit law enforcement to deny a Firearms Identification Card to someone who fits neither of those categories is a clear violation of the Heller and MacDonald decisions.

240 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:30:21pm

re: #234 Charles Johnson

I hate it when my vertebrae act up. Knock it off, backbone.

(((((Charles)))))))

241 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 7:31:25pm

re: #232 teleskiguy

I’m all for sport shooting. I actually enjoyed watching that show “Top Shot” I forget the network it was on. I just have an aversion to pistols, ever since I first shot one. First time I shot a pistol (Glock 23 9mm) I thought to myself “This is just too easy. Too easy to inflict maximum harm at a close distance.” The worst gun massacre outside of war in US history was Virginia Tech and it was carried out with semi-automatic pistols.

That’s why I really respect seasoned bow hunters. You gotta work for that perfect shot. With pistols (and in the hunting realm - one could argue - high-powered rifles with scopes), it’s too easy.

And when it comes to my home defense, my Springfield pump action 12 gauge that I got from my pa when I was a teenager is in a wood and glass case, if the shit really hits the fan I can break the glass to get it out in a pinch. Problem is, there’s statistically like .3 murders a year in my whole county. :-)

Top shot had some good guys on it, a few we knew from the Steel Challenge. Hated the announcer/narrator dude. Postured like a Ken doll all the time. Handguns creep you out, and I’ll tell you what creeps me out. the .50 cal and similar ultra long range sniper rifles. They can be strictly sporting too but what they can do gives me a small case of the willys. Ah perspective and the things that make an impression.

Bows? Shot a few compound types and I like the challenge. It takes a certain intuitive sense to do well. I don’t hunt at all. Ralphs is right down the street. I could use a better butcher though.

.3 murders a year. Lots to be said for a peaceful place to live.

242 dog philosopher  May 29, 2014 7:33:11pm

D_F

opposed to gum control?

243 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 7:34:27pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

You can always join a Well Regulated Militia, Dark. I’m sure Illinois has a National Guard.

244 freetoken  May 29, 2014 7:35:50pm
In short, one’s Second Amendment right would be subject to the discretion of law enforcement.

That sentence includes the presumption that the 2nd Amendment really is about carrying or owning handguns as we know them today.

245 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 7:36:06pm

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

Gun Owners of America: USDA Buying Guns, Armor to Prepare for ‘Confrontation with American Citizens,’ Dictatorship

*sigh*

Some people are so booorrrriinnnggg.

The NRA’s reaction to this bit of dreck:

246 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:37:49pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

And as if often the case, Massachusetts response to a shooting is a overbroad and punitive law:

Massachusetts lawmakers propose ‘may-issue’ gun ownership bill (VIDEO)

Bolding mine.

I’m pretty confident the courts will strike this law down if it is enacted. Someone should lose the right to own a gun if they commit a felony or go crazy, but to permit law enforcement to deny a Firearms Identification Card to someone who fits neither of those categories is a clear violation of the Heller and MacDonald decisions.

Yeah, that doesn’t work well. Individual law enforcement officers are flawed human beings.

Hey, DF, do you remember the warrantless entry law that passed in Indiana a year or two ago? The Sheriff or Police Chief in one of the Northwest citys was all over it. Obviously willing to invade any home which was inhabited by a immigrant using drugs as an excuse. What happened with that, is it still on the books? I remember the State Legislator was going to examine it closer.

247 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 7:39:09pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

Did you look at the Page I did from the LA Times on the restraining order? Where a doctor and family would be able to intervene in the instance of a person actually dangerously mentally ill? There must be a way to balance our rights and owners and as potential victims.

248 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 7:42:53pm

re: #244 freetoken

That sentence includes the presumption that the 2nd Amendment really is about carrying or owning handguns as we know them today.

This bill isn’t just handguns, and it isn’t about Concealed Carry. This thing says that you need to be found ‘suitable’ by law enforcement before you can own any gun, even a .22 bolt action.

Video-record an arrest where the police don’t come off looking very good? Under this bill the state police might well be able to deny you that Firearms Identification Card on grounds you had a “severe aversion to authority”. Moreover, unlike another proposal in California, this bill provides for no judicial review of police determinations (as far as I can see), and that makes it downright hideous in my eyes.

249 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 7:46:00pm

re: #168 Rightwingconspirator

But it also shows there are places where open carry is just meh. Nobody cares much. It’s ordinary.

Does it really? The majority of cars that pass aren’t honking and aren’t rolling their windows down. Those who do roll their windows down may be curious, polite or intimidated. People have called 911 one these guys, the police and county aren’t shutting them down because “nobody cares.”

When your movement’s main cause is making guns a part of the everyday experience and your modus operandi includes parading the streets with Gadsden flags and assault rifles, engaging in an online war with a group of moms, and outing anyone who dares to call 911 in fear, the last thing you need is dissension in the ranks.

This is the same Tarrant County Texas group whose idiots scared so many people in a restaurant that a customer called the cops and the employees locked themselves in the freezer. Clearly some people do care, do complain and don’t find it “meh.” These guys are so out there that other open carry groups are splitting away and distancing themselves from them.

250 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 7:47:28pm

re: #247 Rightwingconspirator

Did you look at the Page I did from the LA Times on the restraining order? Where a doctor and family would be able to intervene in the instance of a person actually dangerously mentally ill? There must be a way to balance our rights and owners and as potential victims.

No, but I did read about the California proposal on CNN’s website. It is far less problematic than the one in Massachusetts, as it requires the police to go to a judge before seizing any firearms and it allows anyone made served with its restraining order to challenge the order in court. I don’t love the idea, but I’m going to look at it more closely before rendering any full judgements.

251 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:48:04pm
252 coin operated  May 29, 2014 7:48:14pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

this bill provides for no judicial review of police determinations (as far as I can see), and that makes it downright hideous in my eyes.

Agree completely. Piss of the local cops, for any reason, and have your gun rights revoked. You know this is how the law will play out if there isn’t some formal review process.

253 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 7:49:42pm

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

Gun Owners of America: USDA Buying Guns, Armor to Prepare for ‘Confrontation with American Citizens,’ Dictatorship

*sigh*

Some people are so booorrrriinnnggg.

Bruddah Buddah womanwhorunswithchickens • a day ago

remember HITLER! First he got their trust, then socialized healthcare, then education, then provided factories for the people to work at and come out of economical turmoil, then convinced them they didn’t need guns…then slaughtered them all! Read your history! It’s repeating itself here in America!

254 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:51:01pm

re: #253 Skip Intro

Well, Hitler and others thruout history have systematically disarmed a particular group of people. In this country it seems to be the poor, the immigrant and the African-American.

255 jaunte  May 29, 2014 7:51:06pm

256 Skip Intro  May 29, 2014 7:51:45pm

re: #254 FemNaziBitch

Well, Hitler and others thruout history have systematically disarmed a particular group of people. In this country it seems to be the poor, the immigrant and the African-American.

That’s what makes Obama so devious.

257 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 7:52:06pm

re: #251 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

It’s a still from a movie called Cristo Rey

258 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:52:41pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

It’s a still from a movie called Cristo Rey

Yeah, well it’s still a great scene.

259 Killgore Trout  May 29, 2014 7:53:00pm

Cristo Rey, directed by Leticia Tonos Paniagua, 2013.

260 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 7:54:57pm

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

That just did not look like a panic or any major problem at all. You may want to keep in mind how I feel about those open carry demonstrations. They really are foolish and unproductive. However the alleged sense of drastic concern by the public just did not seem to be there. Just a lot of trucks and cars passing on by with a few honks. That’s usually a sign of support for a street demonstration. Sure is around here for a Union strike walk like we see at Universal City sometimes..

261 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 7:55:21pm

re: #258 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, well it’s still a great scene.

Maybe, but do understand that if that was real life, that woman would be guilty of doing the same thing the militia types at the Bundy Ranch did when they pointed rifles at BLM agents.

262 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:55:37pm
263 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 7:56:28pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, but do understand that if that was real life, that woman would be guilty of doing the same thing the militia types at the Bundy Ranch did when they pointed rifles at BLM agents.

You don’t have children, do you?

264 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 7:59:48pm

Any newspaper editor publishing a story about pending legislation without listing the name and number of the motherfucking bill in question should be shot.

265 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 8:00:36pm

re: #263 FemNaziBitch

You don’t have children, do you?

No, but what of it? Being a mother can’t be grounds to flout the law.

266 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 8:00:42pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

Any newspaper editor publishing a story about pending legislation without listing the name and number of the motherfucking bill in question should be shot.

NRA does that all the time in their magazines propaganda.

267 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 8:01:08pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

No, but what of it? Being a mother can’t be grounds to flout the law.

Sarek: Forgive me, T’Lar. My logic is uncertain, where my son is concerned.

268 Rightwingconspirator  May 29, 2014 8:01:33pm

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

And BTW Skips image of a guy and a cop relates to a lawsuit by the open carry group over a sidewalk protest ordinance. Nothing to do with the obviously legal if/and unwise open carry exercise.

I really wish these guys would stop. What a useless distraction from the work that needs doing.

269 Gus  May 29, 2014 8:01:47pm

re: #251 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

Movie.

CRISTO REY Trailer | Festival 2013

Youtube Video

270 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 8:02:08pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

Any newspaper editor publishing a story about pending legislation without listing the name and number of the motherfucking bill in question should be shot.

You’d have to shoot most of ‘em, Frank, because its a pretty common thing. For what its worth, I agree with you its deplorable.

271 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 8:03:54pm

re: #267 FemNaziBitch

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

273 Interesting Times  May 29, 2014 8:06:56pm

You guys aren’t helping me feel very secure about my trip to the US next week…

274 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2014 8:07:02pm

re: #272 FemNaziBitch

Nevada Man Shoots Unarmed Couple, Claims ‘Stand Your Ground’ Defense (Video) -

Not again.

275 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 8:08:22pm

Relevant because of the Snowden Affair:

Pentagon drops over $500 million in contracts this May

They have one contract for a broad scope of intelligence-gathering contracts with American Systems, Booz Allen Hamilton, Ideal Innovations, Scientific Applications and the Scientific Research Corp. for “the procurement of biometric support services in the areas of research and development, investigation, analysis, test and evaluation procurement and reporting for counter-terrorism, counterinsurgency and force protection technology needs, intelligence gathering technology, identity exploitation and the overall development of multi-modal biometric technologies.”

(Bolding Mine.)

276 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 8:10:00pm

All I can find is the press release and title. The bill isn’t in the Mass state database yet, so no House bill number.

The Executive Office of Public Safety and Security (EOPSS) must establish a specific and uniform suitability standard for both licenses to carry and FID cards. While law enforcement officials have a procedure for issuing a license to carry, which is used to purchase or possess any legal firearm including hand guns, this bill establishes a similar process for the issuance of an FID card by creating a suitability standard. FID cards are used for the purchase and possession of a shotgun or rifle. The bill also requires local licensing authorities to trace any firearm used to commit a crime within its jurisdiction and to report relevant data.

Legally I guess it depends on what they mean by “suitability.” In most sane countries you have to be able to get through an interview with a psychologist or a cop without raising any red flags. If you can’t have a normal goddamned conversation with a psychologist or cop without creeping them the fuck out then you really shouldn’t own any firearms. At the very least somebody should be allowed to inspect an applicant’s storage area to make sure it meets minimum objective standards.

277 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 8:10:10pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Not again.

He’s been charged with murder. and the police did not hesitate in levying said charge.

278 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 8:10:36pm
279 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 8:11:32pm

re: #251 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

That pic is fucking intense.

280 jaunte  May 29, 2014 8:11:45pm
281 teleskiguy  May 29, 2014 8:13:11pm

re: #241 Rightwingconspirator

.3 murders a year. Lots to be said for a peaceful place to live.

Funny you mention that. Two people were killed with guns this month very near where I live. A teenager shot his dad in their house and the cops showed up 6 days later to a sullen boy and a decomposing body. That was weird.

A few days later, a guy shot a Colorado State Patrol officer on Interstate 70 just down the road. Luckily, the officer who was shot had a partner with him, and he killed the gunman.

Very unusual to have that kind of violence happen in this part of the world, the murder rate, like I said, is very very low.

Which is funny because there are a lot of guns in this part of the world too.

282 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 8:15:02pm

re: #260 Rightwingconspirator

Just a lot of trucks and cars passing on by with a few honks. That’s usually a sign of support for a street demonstration.

I wasn’t aware that overwhelming passivity equated to support.

283 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2014 8:15:10pm

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

He’s been charged with murder. and the police did not hesitate in levying said charge.

That’s not what I mean. This is another senseless death by an asshole who thought he was within his rights to fire on unarmed people.

284 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 8:20:58pm

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

He’s been charged with murder. and the police did not hesitate in levying said charge.

Nevertheless the law played into the killer’s mindset before he pulled the trigger. He had been informed of the victim’s presence and instead of calling the police he armed himself with two guns, sought out the two tresspassers on his vacant rental property, and shot them. He planned in advance to use SYG as an excuse for the murder.

This is how stand your ground laws get people killed, by altering people’s mindsets about what is acceptable, and encouraging atrocious behavior.

285 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 8:21:08pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

That’s not what I mean. This is another senseless death by an asshole who thought he was within his rights to fire on unarmed people.

Reading the story, one finds that the woman survived (which means a direct witness to the shooting) and that Nevada’s SYG law contains a clarification not found in Florida’s law, the clarification being that a person claiming SYG justification cannot have been the ‘original aggressor” the confrontation. This means that if judge finds the defendant was being the aggressor by entering the building where he knew the squatters were instead of calling the police, then he cannot use the SYG law.

286 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 8:23:34pm

re: #279 goddamnedfrank

That pic is fucking intense.

Yes, great body language from the actress!

287 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 8:24:00pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Reading the story, one finds that the woman survived (which means a direct witness to the shooting) and that Nevada’s SYG law contains a clarification not found in Florida’s law, the clarification being that a person claiming SYG justification cannot have been the ‘original aggressor” the confrontation. This means that if judge finds the defendant was being the aggressor by entering the building where he knew the squatters were instead of calling the police, then he cannot use the SYG law.

So what exactly. The lesson here is that he should have killed the woman so it was his word against two corpses.

The only logical conclusion is that SYG laws result in more pointless killing.

288 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 8:24:43pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

That’s not what I mean. This is another senseless death by an asshole who thought he was within his rights to fire on unarmed people.

Blatant disregard for human life. Placing the value of HIS property rights over the life of another. EGO with a gun.

289 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2014 8:25:57pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Reading the story, one finds that the woman survived (which means a direct witness to the shooting) and that Nevada’s SYG law contains a clarification not found in Florida’s law, the clarification being that a person claiming SYG justification cannot have been the ‘original aggressor” the confrontation. This means that if judge finds the defendant was being the aggressor by entering the building where he knew the squatters were instead of calling the police, then he cannot use the SYG law.

Again I don’t think you are reading me. I’m not upset at law enforcement like I was in the Martin case. I’m upset that this is yet another individual who thinks he’s in the legal right to shoot unarmed people. I am not talking legality at all here. I’m talking about my own frustrations at assholes like this who think they’re allowed to shoot unarmed people and not get punished.

290 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2014 8:26:47pm

re: #288 FemNaziBitch

Blatant disregard for human life. Placing the value of HIS property rights over the life of another. EGO with a gun.

Thank you. Exactly. He didn’t need to shoot them but he did anyhow.

291 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 8:29:53pm

Here is the deal, the law is made by men.

It is not set in stone.

It is meant to be interpreted by the Judicial System.

Rigid adherence to the law has no place in our Republican Democracy.

I actually there is a famous quote about that. Judge Roy Bean or someone similar.

292 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 8:30:17pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I’m talking about my own frustrations at assholes like this who think they’re allowed to shoot unarmed people and not get punished.

And in this case like at least two others I can think of the circumstances point to the SYG law itself as an element of the killer’s premeditation:

-The Florida ex cop who shot the guy in the theater for texting.
-The Florida “loud music” trial.

293 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 8:33:14pm

Also the Texas guy Joe Horn who went outside and killed the two guys robbing a neighbor’s house, after the 911 operator pleaded with him to stay inside and wait for officers to arrive. That guy explicitly cited new state law as defense in advance of the action he was about to take.

294 Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2014 8:38:22pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

Also the Texas guy Joe Horn who went outside and killed the two guys robbing a neighbor’s house, after the 911 operator pleaded with him to stay inside and wait for officers to arrive. That guy explicitly cited new state law as defense in advance of the action he was about to take.

That case is a bit more complex than was originally reported, I found out recently. Once Horn was outside the robbers rushed at him, and it was only at that point that Horn fired, a fact that was witnessed and attested to by the arriving police officers. Most media outlets just broadcast the 911 tape, so most people who have heard of the story don’t know why Horn wasn’t charged with anything. But in truth, Joe Horn did not fire his shotgun because those men were robbing a house, he fired because they attacked him.

295 Stanley Sea  May 29, 2014 8:42:44pm

Bottom line, we’ve lost respect for life.

296 teleskiguy  May 29, 2014 8:43:43pm

Dude sank mere seconds after the photo was snapped, I’ll bet (I wasn’t there).

297 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 8:43:48pm

Judge Billings Learned Hand

298 FemNaziBitch  May 29, 2014 8:45:50pm

Most of the issues that mankind sets out to settle, it never does settle… The dispute fades into the past unsolved, though perhaps it may be renewed as history and fought over again. It disappears because it is replaced by some compromise that, although not wholly acceptable to either side, offers a tolerable substitute for victory…

Quoted in Jacques Barzun and Henry Graff, “The Modern Researcher”, 3rd edition (New York: Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich, 1977), 44. As cited in “Chemistry and Controversy: Regulating the Use of Chemicals in Foods, 1883-1959”; An Abstract of A Dissertation by Suzanne Rebecca White submitted to the Faculty of the Graduate School of Emory University in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy, Department of History, 1994.

More Learned Hand

299 teleskiguy  May 29, 2014 8:52:31pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

Bottom line, we’ve lost respect for life.

Hardcore religious conservatives say this all the time to justify their nefarious objectives. I beg to differ. It’s not necessarily that we don’t respect life but we’ve lost our sense of purpose. I think about the space race of the 50s and 60s and regardless of the really scary shit going on in the world at that time human beings were still charting the unknown - in the US and Russia - we had a sense of purpose.

That sense of purpose was rooted in scientific discovery, and it heralded just amazing advances in technology that made life for humans better.

I’ve vocalized a couple of times here at LGF the thing the scares me most about life and political life in the United States, and that’s the rejection of science among a large portion of our populace. Those people, their rejection of science is rooted in their purpose, which is to wait for Christ to return and all that nonsense. Why find purpose in this realm if all is taken care of in the end and we get to hang out with Jesus in Heaven and all the sinners…

Oh Gawd. I’m gonna stop that rant. Where was I going with that? Man, this legal weed is kill brah!

I don’t think we’ve lost respect for life as a whole, but as I told Gus on Twitter tonight, we got our priorities all screwed up.

300 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2014 9:00:35pm

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

That case is a bit more complex than was originally reported, I found out recently. Once Horn was outside the robbers rushed at him, and it was only at that point that Horn fired, a fact that was witnessed and attested to by the arriving police officers. Most media outlets just broadcast the 911 tape, so most people who have heard of the story don’t know why Horn wasn’t charged with anything. But in truth, Joe Horn did not fire his shotgun because those men were robbing a house, he fired because they attacked him.

That’s not complex, Joe Horn willingly went outside armed and looking to kill.

An unidentified plain clothes police detective responding to the 911 call arrived at the scene before the shooting, and witnessed the escalation and shootings while remaining in his car.[3] His report on the incident indicated that the men who were killed “received gunfire from the rear”.[1] Police Capt. A.H. “Bud” Corbett, a spokesman for the Pasadena Police Department, stated that the two men ignored Mr. Horn’s order to freeze and that one of the suspects ran towards Joe Horn before angling away from Horn toward the street when the suspect was shot in the back. The medical examiner’s report could not specify whether they were shot in the back due to the ballistics of the shotgun wound.[7] Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into Horn’s front yard. The plain clothes detective did not arrest Horn.

All this is totally avoidable if Joe Horn stayed in his fucking house and didn’t decide to use lethal force over property that didn’t even belong to him. It’s disgusting to see you try to find some level of nuance excusing that. Not surprising, just disgusting.

301 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2014 9:04:32pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

Bottom line, we’ve lost respect for life.

This is what I’m getting at. We’ve had people die over people thinking music was too loud, not liking text messaging, egging houses, etc. Yeah jades me just a bit that there’s a lot of trigger happy assholes out there.

302 William Barnett-Lewis  May 30, 2014 4:00:50am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.

When you actually try it sometime, let us know.

303 William Barnett-Lewis  May 30, 2014 4:05:35am

re: #243 Skip Intro

You can always join a Well Regulated Militia, Dark. I’m sure Illinois has a National Guard.

Read federal law - the militia is every male citizen over the age of 18 & ever woman that is an officer in the National Guard.

304 William Barnett-Lewis  May 30, 2014 4:08:47am

re: #254 FemNaziBitch

Well, Hitler and others thruout history have systematically disarmed a particular group of people. In this country it seems to be the poor, the immigrant and the African-American.

People try to forget that. The Sullivan Act, written by the NRA for the state, in New York was explicitly about that. It was all about disarming the urban poor to prevent armed revolt.

305 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 30, 2014 5:03:57am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.

You’re a libertarian. That’s not a moderate liberal.


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