Maragold - Cry (Official Lyric Video)

Sending off the could-bes
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A fascinatingly tricky and obtuse rhythm guitar pattern by Greg Howe makes this song a stand-out, along with Meghan Krauss’s knock-out vocals. Maragold is one of the best rock bands of 2014.

From Maragold’s album “Maragold”. Download it now on
iTunes: http://smarturl.it/cry
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323 comments
1 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 24, 2014 6:54:30pm

Just out of curiosity, Charles, do you prefer playing acoustic or electric?

2 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 6:59:17pm

Bring your camera!

3 Stanley Seabola  Oct 24, 2014 6:59:54pm

re: #2 De Kolta Chair

lol

4 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 24, 2014 7:00:52pm

re: #2 De Kolta Chair

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Bring your camera!

We’ll sell you the whole seat……………. but you’ll only need the edge!!!!

RBS

5 Vogon Poetry  Oct 24, 2014 7:00:59pm

And like that, the sound of a billion tweets shouted out in horror, and then silence. Looks like they’re having issues.

And now it’s back… Weird.

6 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 7:01:20pm

re: #2 De Kolta Chair

Tough call on who to root for. One guy brings me stuff now, the other guy promises me a bunch of stuff later.

7 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 7:01:43pm

re: #3 Stanley Seabola

lol

Wish I could take credit for it.

8 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 24, 2014 7:03:07pm

re: #6 bill d

Tough call on who to root for. One guy brings me stuff now, the other guy promises me a bunch of stuff later.

I don’t know, ever since that fight with Pilate, Jesus just hasn’t had the same footwork, it’s like he’s nailed down or something.

RBS

9 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 7:04:45pm

Greg Howe is one of the half a handful of shredders I can stand listening to. If I were into labels, I’d call him the Steve Cropper of shredders.

10 Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2014 7:05:24pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

I don’t really prefer either - they’re almost completely different instruments, requiring very different approaches. They both have 6 strings, usually tuned the same way, but apart from that they’re as different as a saxophone and an oboe.

11 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:06:58pm

...

12 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 24, 2014 7:07:32pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

…

I applaud your brevity.

13 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:07:42pm

Yeah, Twitter is having serious issues tonight.

14 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 7:08:47pm

re: #12 RealityBasedEbola

I applaud your brevity.

teleskiguy, always using 3 dots when 2 would do.

//

15 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 24, 2014 7:09:01pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I don’t really prefer either - they’re almost completely different instruments, requiring very different approaches. They both have 6 strings, usually tuned the same way, but apart from that they’re as different as a saxophone and an oboe.

This is what I’ve found (although I’ve nowhere near the talent as you). I write different songs on each, play them differently, etc. I vacillate between them. I love my Telecaster, but I also love my big-body acoustic, for different reasons.

(aside: I like that you respond to these types of questions, and it’s part of the reason I keep hanging around. A blog owner who just posts stuff and then leaves isn’t a blog I want to be at)

16 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:09:32pm

...

17 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:10:21pm

Yup, something’s wrong.

Charles, my ellipses comments above are tweets I tried to embed. No dice.

18 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 24, 2014 7:11:34pm

re: #15 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

This is what I’ve found (although I’ve nowhere near the talent as you). I write different songs on each, play them differently, etc. I vacillate between them. I love my Telecaster, but I also love my big-body acoustic, for different reasons.

(aside: I like that you respond to these types of questions, and it’s part of the reason I keep hanging around. A blog owner who just posts stuff and then leaves isn’t a blog I want to be at)

I imagine we’ll be seeing less and less of Charles, after all, he’s going to have to be on the run from the law, a fugitive from justice, an outlaw trying to avoid the long arm of the angry upChuck. Or possibly he’ll just sleep late tomorrow morning and call it ‘Good’

RBS

19 Vogon Poetry  Oct 24, 2014 7:12:52pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

Twitter’s on the fritz, so it’s probably their UI.

20 Vogon Poetry  Oct 24, 2014 7:13:36pm
21 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:14:07pm

I really want to embed this Tweet! lawhawk, how’d you get your #20 to post?!?

GRRR!

22 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 24, 2014 7:14:47pm

re: #18 RealityBasedEbola

I imagine we’ll be seeing less and less of Charles, after all, he’s going to have to be on the run from the law, a fugitive from justice, an outlaw trying to avoid the long arm of the angry upChuck. Or possibly he’ll just sleep late tomorrow morning and call it ‘Good’

RBS

I thought he was just holed up in his lair this whole time?!?

Charles does have a lair, doesn’t he?

23 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 7:15:07pm

If Twitter goes away all of the media will be dumbfounded as to what they used to do just 3 or 4 years ago.

24 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 7:15:13pm

re: #6 bill d

Tough call on who to root for. One guy brings me stuff now, the other guy promises me a bunch of stuff later.

That may be the very best theological exegesis I’ve ever read.

25 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 24, 2014 7:16:17pm

re: #24 De Kolta Chair

I wasn’t thinking it was such a difficult decision. :D

26 Vogon Poetry  Oct 24, 2014 7:16:49pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

I really want to embed this Tweet! lawhawk, how’d you get your #20 to post?!?

GRRR!

Mr. Wizard? More than a decade of LFG-fu? Or just dumb f-in luck.

I’ll go with the latter, because Twitter is on the fritz tonight.

27 Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2014 7:17:22pm

re: #18 RealityBasedEbola

I imagine we’ll be seeing less and less of Charles, after all, he’s going to have to be on the run from the law, a fugitive from justice, an outlaw trying to avoid the long arm of the angry upChuck. Or possibly he’ll just sleep late tomorrow morning and call it ‘Good’

RBS

Yes, I’ll be taking it on the lam, trying desperately to avoid the long arm of Chuck and his minion, Officer Muldoon.

28 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 7:17:32pm

re: #25 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

I wasn’t thinking it was such a difficult decision. :D

Easier than trying to remember the plural of exegesis, that’s for sure. ;-)

Damn, I knew I shoulda gone to Cat’lick school!

29 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 7:18:01pm

Constantine is, so far, pretty bad ass.

How come I get I sneers when I tell people I read comic books when everyone watches them on TV and the movies?

30 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 7:19:04pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yes, I’ll be taking it on the lam, trying desperately to avoid the long arm of Chuck and his minion, Officer Muldoon.

Not to worry, Chuck C. described you to the cops as a 25 year old white chick.

31 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 24, 2014 7:20:04pm

re: #30 bill d

Not to worry, Chuck C. described you to the cops as a 25 year old white chick.

Who’s “Hawt”

RBS

32 Vogon Poetry  Oct 24, 2014 7:22:09pm

re: #29 bill d

Interesting - and so far it’s a whole lot better than the Keanu movie.

33 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 7:22:36pm

re: #32 Vogon Poetry

Interesting - and so far it’s a whole lot better than the Keanu movie.

To say the very, very, very least.

34 Vogon Poetry  Oct 24, 2014 7:26:36pm

Glad more people are waking up to realizing that CCJ is a nut job -

35 Mattand  Oct 24, 2014 7:27:02pm
36 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 7:27:23pm

re: #32 Vogon Poetry

re: #33 De Kolta Chair

The guy playing Constantine, Matt Ryan, is doing a great job of playing him as a guy who is just totally beaten down to the core. That’s Constantine’s charm.

:0

37 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 24, 2014 7:28:02pm

re: #35 Mattand

That is a dog that is planning with great detail EXACTLY where he’s going to go poop.

RBS

38 Mattand  Oct 24, 2014 7:29:35pm

re: #37 RealityBasedEbola

Yeah, the only thing he hates more than wearing crap on his head is interpretive dance.

39 EPR-radar  Oct 24, 2014 7:29:58pm

re: #29 bill d

Constantine is, so far, pretty bad ass.

How come I get I sneers when I tell people I read comic books when everyone watches them on TV and the movies?

On the other hand, you know about things like Sandman and the sneerers presumably don’t. Their loss.

40 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 7:30:58pm

re: #34 Vogon Poetry

Glad more people are waking up to realizing that CCJ is a nut job -

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I’m of two minds about that. For one, I’m also glad that more folks are onto this lying ahole; but for two (and I gladly admit that my misuse of the semicolon is worthy of L. Ron Hubbard), I like to think that he’s our own special ginger nutcase ahole.

Btw, did I mention I’m bi-polar?

41 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:31:05pm
42 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:31:14pm

It worked! Finally.

43 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 7:33:33pm

re: #39 EPR-radar

On the other hand, you know about things like Sandman and the sneerers presumably don’t. Their loss.

Thnx, good point. There always is a lot of “what/who is that” that I am privy to and have to give an explanation for.

44 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 24, 2014 7:37:43pm

“Sea lioning” is now a verb describing “polite” internet harassment, based on this comic. An excellent summary of the “I’m being technically polite, but my persistence and refusal to listen are actually a kind of aggression” troll.

The newest comic (#1071) is very much in the same vein.

46 austin_blue  Oct 24, 2014 7:45:01pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Don’t tell me you are intimidated by dat yoot?!?!

47 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:45:16pm

This song is great! If you haven’t listened to this song do it now! It’s a beauty!

48 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2014 7:47:39pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yes, I’ll be taking it on the lam, trying desperately to avoid the long arm of Chuck and his minion, Officer Muldoon.

Muldoon, Muldoon… hmmm right used to work at Ferguson PD until that little incident on livestream at the riot.
/

49 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:47:59pm
50 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 24, 2014 7:48:14pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yes, I’ll be taking it on the lam, trying desperately to avoid the long arm of Chuck and his minion, Officer Muldoon Barney.

FTFY

51 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 7:50:31pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yes, I’ll be taking it on the lam, trying desperately to avoid the long arm of Chuck and his minion, Officer Muldoon.

[cops] We’ll be stuck on this Johnson case until someone else says something bad about someone else on Twitter [/cops]

52 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 7:54:20pm

Once again, you will never see a post like this one at goatnews dot com.

Thank you Charles!

53 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 24, 2014 7:58:03pm

I’m outta here… going to be a long day tomorrow, and I need my beauty coma.

Have a good evening, and keep your stick on the ice.

RBS

54 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 7:59:14pm


And now for your listening pleasure, all the way from France, here’s the revelatory rockabilly reverberations of Betty & The Bops

Youtube Video

55 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 8:02:41pm

Local DFW news is now covering the current flight path of Nina Pham coming home. This is a joyous newscast rather than a paranoid one.

56 allegro  Oct 24, 2014 8:06:24pm

re: #55 bill d

Local DFW news is now covering the current flight path of Nina Pham coming home. This is a joyous newscast rather than a paranoid one.

Ebolatrails!

57 Franklin  Oct 24, 2014 8:08:00pm

Charles, saw your tweet (post?) about OSX 10.10 and iOS 8.1 the other day and never had a chance to comment. I agree, great integration and continuity (pun intended) between the OS’es

58 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 8:10:52pm
59 austin_blue  Oct 24, 2014 8:15:24pm

re: #56 allegro

Ebolatrails!

That plane should be bleached, fumigated, and immolated.

/wingnut off

60 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 8:19:14pm

re: #59 austin_blue

That plane should be bleached, fumigated, and immolated.

/wingnut off

All planes everywhere should be grounded and replaced with brand new ones.

//

61 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 8:20:13pm

The drummer for Umphrey’s McGee is pretty danged good at impressions!

62 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 8:20:40pm
63 austin_blue  Oct 24, 2014 8:21:08pm

re: #60 bill d

All planes everywhere should be grounded and replaced with brand new ones.

//

Single use aircraft for the safety of Muricans!

64 palomino  Oct 24, 2014 8:22:45pm

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

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Multiple public mass shootings? Just another Friday in the US.

If only we had even MORE guns across the US, I’m sure we’d have LESS shootings.

Or some NRA bullshit talking point like that.

65 austin_blue  Oct 24, 2014 8:37:59pm

re: #64 palomino

Multiple public mass shootings? Just another Friday in the US.

If only we had even MORE guns across the US, I’m sure we’d have LESS shootings.

Or some NRA bullshit talking point like that.

Channel 2 in Atlanta is reporting that the shooter is a police officer. Or involved.
Maybe. Chaotic.

66 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 8:45:53pm

re: #65 austin_blue

Channel 2 in Atlanta is reporting that the shooter is a police officer. Or involved.
Maybe. Chaotic.

67 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 8:47:08pm

re: #64 palomino

Multiple public mass shootings? Just another Friday in the US.

If only we had even MORE guns across the US, I’m sure we’d have LESS shootings.

Or some NRA bullshit talking point like that.


Some who are high on hate will even use an axe, so it ain’t just the guns.

Still, we’ve seen 3 lone wolf Radical Islamist terror attacks in the same week in North America. I worry these attacks are having the same effect as mass shootings; ‘Inspiring’ other haters to commit murder in the name of God.

68 bratwurst  Oct 24, 2014 8:48:09pm
69 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 8:51:53pm

re: #68 bratwurst

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Josh Marshall = Douchbag

70 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 8:53:00pm
71 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 8:57:44pm

re: #69 NJDhockeyfan

Josh Marshall = Douchbag

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If that’s a reference to Ray Rice’s wife, then it would seem Josh has been hanging out with Paul Elam and his “Men’s Rights” crowd of haters:

Until recently, an online community of anti-feminist men (and a couple of women) who consider themselves “men’s rights activists” were content to perform most of their “activism” by complaining about women online and overwhelming the comment sections of any feminist website, rendering them virtually unusable for people who actually want to discuss feminism. But under the direction of Paul Elam for the site A Voice For Men, they’ve upped their game a bit in the past few months, holding a small conference to complain about how men are victimized by feminism and, of course, egging on Gamergate.

But now Elam and his crew at A Voice For Men have done something that’s outright shocking in its ugliness. It seems they’re trying to undermine a Canadian anti-domestic violence organization, the White Ribbon Campaign, by setting up a copycat website that’s clearly aimed at bamboozling people searching for the White Ribbon Campaign. The real White Ribbon Campaign is at whiteribbon.ca, where you can find information about preventing domestic violence and sexual assault, as well as order materials and hire speakers for community efforts.

Elam, however, purchased the URL whiteribbon.org and created a website with a similar aesthetic and the tagline “End Violence Against Everyone.” The clear hope here is to divert traffic and hopefully funds away from the White Ribbon Campaign, straight into the pockets of “men’s rights activists.”

On the website, you can read a bunch of articles pushing the claim that female violence against men is just as bad a problem—if not worse—than male violence against women. (This is a common claim used to deflect attention away from the realities of domestic violence, but it’s simply not true by any reasonable measure.) For instance, the site makes excuses for Baltimore Ravens player Ray Rice: “So Ray Rice was not guilty of beating up on a completely defenseless woman,” because she “was not some cowering woman in the corner covering her face with her arms.”

Another article describes domestic violence as a mutual behavior, almost a form of foreplay: “It’s impulse, reckless dysfunction that as many times as not has the two people in the bedroom enjoying make up sex not long after it is over, and then building the tension between them till it happens again.”


If Josh has been hanging out with the ‘Gamergate’ crowd, it would seem he’s become quite the CREEP.

72 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 9:00:34pm

73 goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2014 9:03:06pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

If that’s a reference to Ray Rice’s wife, then it would seem Josh has been hanging out with Paul Elam and his “Men’s Rights” crowd of haters:

If Josh has been hanging out with the ‘Gamergate’ crowd, it would seem he’s become quite the CREEP.

It’s a reference to the Palin Brawl. Several witnesses reported that Bristol hauled back and punched the host in the face something like five times or more before he finally pushed her, causing her to fall down.

74 bratwurst  Oct 24, 2014 9:04:16pm

re: #69 NJDhockeyfan

Josh Marshall = Douchbag

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There is a thing called context. In case you are interested in what Marshall ACTUALLY wrote, you can read it here:

Sarah, Bristol & The Recurrence Of The Eternal Victim

He is taking issue with the Palin ladies trying to put themselves into the same category as Ray Rice’s wife.

Marshall says:

I think it kind of goes without saying that if news emerged that Bristol had been assaulted by a boyfriend or spouse or really anyone else, no one would be laughing.

His point is that it IS laughable for the Palin’s to paint themselves as victims in the drunken brawl they participated in. The police reports (featured on this very website) pretty much bear that out.

75 Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2014 9:04:30pm

Oh brother.

76 Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2014 9:05:01pm

re: #69 NJDhockeyfan

Uh, wrong.

77 Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2014 9:06:13pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

It would seem you’re totally misinterpreting this exchange.

78 goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2014 9:07:37pm

re: #74 bratwurst

There is a thing called context. In case you are interested in what Marshall ACTUALLY wrote, you can read it here:

Forget it Brat, it’s Hockeytown.

79 Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2014 9:08:46pm

Whole lot of eagerness to bash Josh Marshall in here. Incorrectly, as it turns out.

80 bratwurst  Oct 24, 2014 9:09:36pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Whole lot of eagerness to bash Josh Marshall in here. Incorrectly, as it turns out.

I am sure there will be some mea culpas coming any time now.

81 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 9:10:28pm

I found this quote disgusting. I don’t care if it is a Palin member or not.

” not really violence against women if the woman attacks someone.”

There is no context to justify a statement like that. Fuck Josh Marshall.

82 bratwurst  Oct 24, 2014 9:11:45pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

I found this quote disgusting. I don’t care if it is a Palin member or not.

” not really violence against women if the woman attacks someone.”

There is no context to justify a statement like that. Fuck Josh Marshall.

GDF was right. You are literally impervious to context.

83 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 9:11:50pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Post edited to cross out the Josh Marshall parts out. I stand by my statement that Paul Elam is a hater.

84 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 9:12:26pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

I found this quote disgusting. I don’t care if it is a Palin member or not.

” not really violence against women if the woman attacks someone.”

There is no context to justify a statement like that. Fuck Josh Marshall.

You don’t know how Twitter works, do you.

85 sagehen  Oct 24, 2014 9:13:43pm

re: #55 bill d

Local DFW news is now covering the current flight path of Nina Pham coming home. This is a joyous newscast rather than a paranoid one.

Is she going to get a parade?

86 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 9:14:31pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

It would seem you’re totally misinterpreting this exchange.

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

Yes, it does appear I misinterpreted it. Please excuse me, the tweet sounded too much like a Paul Elam line I’d read earlier today.

I’m glad Josh Marshall isn’t part of that hateful crowd and I’ve crossed out the parts of my post suggesting that he was.

87 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 9:15:34pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

You don’t know how Twitter works, do you.

It doesn’t work well, in my way of thinking anyway.

88 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 9:15:49pm

A lovely rendition of Bob Dylan’s “Forgetful Heart,” performed recently in Dublin by some 73 year old kid named Bob Dylan:
Youtube Video

The door has closed forevermore
If indeed there ever was a door

89 bill d  Oct 24, 2014 9:16:56pm

re: #85 sagehen

Is she going to get a parade?

I think she wants to be left alone and being in Ft. Worth is a good place to get that done.

Goodnight all:

90 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 9:17:28pm

re: #80 bratwurst

I am sure there will be some mea culpas coming any time now.

I edited my post as soon as I knew the actual context of Marshall’s tweet. I would therefore as you to please withdraw your downding.

91 bratwurst  Oct 24, 2014 9:17:33pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it does appear I misinterpreted it.

Actually you didn’t even bother trying to interpret at all, you just shoehorned it into your post.

92 goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2014 9:19:13pm

Bloomberg got in on the retardation:

The conversation began in earnest when The Daily Caller’s Matt K. Lewis wrote that he’d been “mildly amused” by the “rich hillbillies” narrative of the fight, until he read a transcript of the audio of Bristol Palin’s account to the police. According to Palin:

A guy comes out of nowhere and pushes me on the ground, takes me by my feet, in my dress—in my thong dress, in front of everybody— “Come on you ****, get the **** out of here, come on you slut, get the **** out of here.” I don’t know this guy.

“IF this is true … then Bristol Palin was physically, verbally — and possibly even sexually - assaulted by a man,” Lewis argued. “Anyone who is concerned about a ‘war on women’ — but not disturbed by this report — is clearly biased.” Whether Palin’s account is accurate, or, as some witnesses have claimed, she threw the first punch(es) doesn’t change the fact that what she is describing is not funny.

It also doesn’t make it believable. She’s a second generation professional grifter, liar, homophobic bigot and self entitled brat. Also:

Other eyewitness recorded by police on the audio back up Klingenmeyer’s claims

So one can take Bristol’s unsubstantiated raw assertion as fact, or they can listen to the tape and apply a modicum of common sense.

93 goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2014 9:21:51pm

Who the fuck is Paul Elam?

That question is rhetorical btw.

94 jaunte  Oct 24, 2014 9:24:19pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Multiple, multiple issues.

95 teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2014 9:26:37pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

It doesn’t work well, in my way of thinking anyway.

In my arguments with my friends about Twitter and social media in general, I always argue that social media is what you put into it as much as it is what you get from it. If you put out what klys puts out on her Twitter - stitching pictures, kittehs, hockey games - then you can get reciprocal interactions with others and get a positive experience.

If you put out bullshit you’re gonna get bullshit from others.

Social media is an entirely new experience for humans, we’re still working out the kinks. And Twitter lets sociopaths like UpChuck do his thing. So…

96 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 9:28:32pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Who the fuck is Paul Elam?

That question is rhetorical btw.

Not ‘who’, Frank, the question is “What is Paul Elam?”

The answer is that he is a Men’s Rights Morlock (Morlockus DERPus Andro ), a species that was formerly occasionally found on LGF. At the time it was thought to be a species of Goof-Ball. Following the discovery that the species was in fact a type of Morlock, the few here were ripped to pieces and devoured by the Lizard Army. :D

97 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 9:30:45pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Who the fuck is Paul Elam?

This guy?

Jack Elam

Oh, wrong dude. Jack is a legend.

98 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 9:39:52pm

re: #97 NJDhockeyfan

Bit o’ Elam trivia — Jack was an accountant in LA, nay not just an accountant but a pretty darn good accountant, and even rarer he was an honest one. Many of his clients were in the movie biz, and suggested him for bit parts. And that’s how the legend of Jack Elam began, and how he ultimately appeared in the greatest title sequence of all time (Once Upon A Time In The West), and stole an entire movie out from under John Wayne (Rio Lobo), not an easy feat though the movie was pretty lame. According to a Pyschotronic magazine, Jack stuck with his accountancy business throughout his illustrious career. As my pals in show biz say, keep your day job.

99 goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2014 9:40:40pm

re: #82 bratwurst

GDF was right. You are literally impervious to context.

Hockeygourd and LLH are holdovers from a much simpler and more deliberately obtuse era.

100 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 9:43:02pm
101 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 9:46:34pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

Hockeygourd and LLH are holdovers from a much simpler and more deliberately obtuse era.

Yes, like when we were taught to never hit a woman even if they hit us and to respect them. You call that an obtuse era? Ok, if that’s the case then I’m very obtuse.

102 bratwurst  Oct 24, 2014 9:50:39pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, like when we were taught to never hit a woman even if they hit us and to respect them. You call that an obtuse era? Ok, if that’s the case then I’m very obtuse.

Yep, that’s the stuff alright.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 9:52:45pm

Facepalm

104 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 9:53:00pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, like when we were taught to never hit a woman even if they hit us and to respect them. You call that an obtuse era? Ok, if that’s the case then I’m very obtuse.

The man in question pushed Bristol Palin away from him only after being hit repeatedly by her. He did not strike her, but rather used minimum force to end her unlawful assault upon him. That is a reasonable act in my eyes.

105 goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2014 9:54:12pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, like when we were taught to never hit a woman even if they hit us and to respect them. You call that an obtuse era? Ok, if that’s the case then I’m very obtuse.

According to every witness except drunken Bristol all the guy did was push her away, after getting punched in the face about half a dozen times. He didn’t hit her, he showed enormous restraint applying by all accounts the least amount of force required to stop an ongoing assault on himself. So absolutely none of what you’ve said is even remotely applicable. I get that you want to de-link Marshall’s statement from all of that important context, because you’re a total fucking idiot and all, but Marshall was referring to a very well documented set of circumstances that in no way even remotely resemble a sexist attack on a woman.

106 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 9:57:38pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

Since we’re in agreement about the Palin Brawl point, I find must upding this post.

107 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 9:59:30pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

The man in question pushed Bristol Palin away from him only after being hit repeatedly by her. He did not strike her, but rather used minimum force to end her unlawful assault upon him. That is a reasonable act in my eyes.

If true then that’s fine. Truthfully I could give a rats ass about the Palins. I still have no idea why there is such an obsession about that family.

My beef is with this quote “not really violence against women if the woman attacks someone.” I believe it’s a douchbag thing to say.

108 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 10:02:57pm

re: #107 NJDhockeyfan

If true then that’s fine. Truthfully I could give a rats ass about the Palins. I still have no idea why there is such an obsession about that family.

My beef is with this quote “not really violence against women if the woman attacks someone.” I believe it’s a douchbag thing to say.

Marshall could have said it better, true, but he was correct that what I’m going to call the Pushed-Away Palin Incident was not an instance of violence against women.

109 goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2014 10:04:26pm

This is what happens when people watch too much Fox News, they start to internally legitimize the idea of consuming data via contextless sound bites. They act genuinely amazed that a lone tweet totally removed from the conversation that spawned it ends up not expressing all of the nuance and information necessary to understand the fucking thing.

110 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 10:04:30pm

re: #103 NJDhockeyfan

Next week on Maher: Michael Brown deserved to die because his parents had him vaccinated as a child. //

But seriously, what the hell is wrong with this spoiled pompous overly-adulated cable tv ahole? Never mind, I think I answered my own question.

111 jaunte  Oct 24, 2014 10:06:56pm
112 bratwurst  Oct 24, 2014 10:10:32pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Marshall could have said it better, true, but he was correct that what I’m going to call the Pushed-Away Palin Incident was not an instance of violence against women.

So what you are saying is that it probably would have been wise of you to spend 30 seconds investigating before lumping this respectable writer with MRAs.

114 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 10:15:02pm

re: #112 bratwurst

So what you are saying is that it probably would have been wise of you to spend 30 seconds investigating before lumping this respectable writer with MRAs.

I probably would have needed more than 30 seconds, but yeah, that’s what I’m saying.

115 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 10:26:55pm

Marty McFly’s hoverboard just became a reality…

Youtube Video

116 austin_blue  Oct 24, 2014 10:27:22pm

re: #113 The War TARDIS

TROLL IN THE DUNGEON!!!

Thought you should know.

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Video

Shocked. SHOCKED!

118 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 10:30:08pm

re: #116 austin_blue

Shocked. SHOCKED!

Did you get a chance to see this?

120 Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2014 10:34:01pm

Good Night, All.

121 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 24, 2014 10:34:35pm

re: #119 NJDhockeyfan

LOL!

The guy posting the ad obviously has no sense of humor.

122 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 10:34:58pm

re: #113 The War TARDIS

Yet another Xtain who knows nothing about the history of their professed faith. It’s a darn shame, since it’s a most interesting, albeit bloody to say the least, history.

A library card is the easiest object in the world to obtain, and the most wondrous treasure imaginable.

123 austin_blue  Oct 24, 2014 10:35:50pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Did you get a chance to see this?

I’m really old.

124 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 10:36:21pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Did you get a chance to see this?

Awesome! I worked on the H models in the Air Force. There will never be a better plane built.

125 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 10:39:02pm

Awe, fuck

126 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 24, 2014 10:41:59pm

re: #122 De Kolta Chair

Yet another Xtain who knows nothing about the history of their professed faith. It’s a darn shame, since it’s a most interesting, albeit bloody to say the least, history.

A library card is the easiest object in the world to obtain and the most wondrous treasure of all.

Step 1: Take credit for social progress achieved by secular institutions that replaced religious ones in “Western Civilization.”

Step 2: Studiously ignore current day “Christian” organizations attempts to reverse social progress when they gain control of government institutions.

127 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 10:45:14pm

Heh

128 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 24, 2014 10:46:15pm

re: #123 austin_blue

I’m really old.

That’s how I feel when I see an M-60 series tank on gate guard at the local VFW.

129 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 24, 2014 10:46:18pm

re: #125 NJDhockeyfan

You’ve got
some “Star-Spangled”
nails
in your coffin, kid.
That’s what
they’ve done for you,
son.
-Richard Brautigan, “Star Spangled Nails”

130 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 10:49:45pm

re: #127 NJDhockeyfan


Keep it in your pants, Chuck.

131 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 24, 2014 10:52:27pm

re: #127 NJDhockeyfan

Has anyone stopped to wonder why Chuck Todd had a picture of his crotch in the first place?

132 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 10:53:17pm

re: #130 De Kolta Chair

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Keep it in your pants, Chuck.

Let’s hope he doesn’t pull an Anthony Weiner next time.

133 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 10:53:39pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

I grew up amidst a vast collection of those behemoths on Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson. Can’t say as I’m sorry to see them go.

134 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 24, 2014 10:55:51pm

Warning Signs That You May Be Trapped in a Tom Waits Song

Have you been feeling a little strange lately? Drinking nothing but whiskey and eating nothing but cigarettes? Find yourself reminiscing about the weird, bad old days broke and drunk in urban America? You’re either a character in a novel or trapped in a Tom Waits song. Know the symptoms and you might just save…well, you won’t save anyone. That’s not possible. Sorry.

“Your nickname could belong to a baseball player from the beginning of the 20th century. Something like Chuckles Malone or Wrong Hand Kid.”

135 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 24, 2014 11:03:32pm
136 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 11:18:40pm

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan


Needz more chrome. /

137 De Kolta Chair  Oct 24, 2014 11:22:32pm


Night y’all. Gotta get my taking over the world sleep.

138 freetoken  Oct 24, 2014 11:31:54pm

Wanna-be politician, hold-over from the last elections, tries to save ALEC from those nasty “activists”:

Companies shouldn’t cave in to the demands of climate-change activists

By Carly Fiorina October 24 at 8:41 PM
The writer was chief executive of Hewlett Packard from 1999 to 2005.
In recent months, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) has been under siege by an army of professional activists. Its weapons: radically oversimplified arguments and online pressure campaigns. Its victim: free and open debate. The attacks have prompted Google, among other tech giants, to part ways with ALEC, an alliance of state legislators who advocate limited government, free markets, and individual liberty. Unfortunately, such shortsighted thinking all too often shapes corporate strategy at a time when policies with enormous, and potentially damaging, economic implications are gaining ground.

ALEC and its supporters are not alone as the targets of such attacks. While climate change is these activists’ current wedge, they strive to drive business out of politics by any means necessary, including protests, online petitions, letter-writing campaigns, attacks on secondary targets or membership organizations and shareholder resolutions.

This month, a climate-related pressure campaign by Greenpeace forced the Danish toy-maker Lego to end its relationship with Shell. Too often companies succumb to the interests of a small minority of well-organized, professional activists intent on chilling speech and marginalizing the voice of business and job creators in U.S. society. The goal of these activists is to have business bow to their ideological will and reshape companies in their desired image. Their attacks on businesses’ protected speech and political participation are intended to sideline the entrepreneurial perspective and silence the opportunity for nuanced policy discussions.

[…]

Poor little ALEC, their job creator-ness and free speech are being impinged.

139 goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2014 11:52:47pm

re: #115 NJDhockeyfan

Marty McFly’s hoverboard just became a reality…

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There appears to be a deleted section from the Hendo kickstarter page that still shows up in the Google preview. It says, or said:

Our hover engines have been measured at inducing over 2000A per cm2

That roughly translates as “this thing will cause third degree burns if you’re dumb enough to wear any gold or silver jewelry around it.” So make sure to take off the wedding ring before attempting that mute grab.

140 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 25, 2014 12:15:14am

re: #127 NJDhockeyfan

Buncha prudes. ;)

141 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 25, 2014 12:21:59am

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

I found this quote disgusting. I don’t care if it is a Palin member or not.

” not really violence against women if the woman attacks someone.”

There is no context to justify a statement like that. Fuck Josh Marshall.

Uh, adequate self-defense against an attacker regardless of the gender is not wanton violence. C’mon. Not rocket science.

142 Tigger2  Oct 25, 2014 12:24:46am

re: #117 teleskiguy

Man posts Craigslist ad asking for “disguised weapons,” hilarity ensues.

That shit is funny as hell.

143 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 25, 2014 12:25:10am

Interestingly, this is coming from the folks that likely cheered Rachel Corrie’s death.

144 goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2014 1:04:19am

re: #143 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Interestingly, this is coming from the folks that likely cheered Rachel Corrie’s death.

And who blamed Lauren Valle for being an instigator when Rand Paul campaign volunteers threw her to the ground and Tim Profitt stepped on her head and neck. The best part of that whole deal was Profitt demanded that she apologize to him.

Youtube Video

145 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 3:57:41am

re: #137 De Kolta Chair

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Night y’all. Gotta get my taking over the world sleep.

That was one *heavy* car.

For those young’uns who may not have seen the classic James Bond movie, “Goldfinger” — or read the book:

Click to Reveal

The car was supposedly made of gold painted over to look like steel. What better way to smuggle 4 tons (?) of gold across borders?

146 Vogon Poetry  Oct 25, 2014 5:29:00am

Greets and saluts from Ebola West. The latest suspected case in Newark turned out to be negative, but NY and NJ are going forward with a CDC sanctioned mandatory quarantine period for all health workers returning from West Africa.

No amount of facts and logic will stop Fearbola from spreading. Sad.

147 Amory Blaine  Oct 25, 2014 5:33:50am

148 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 25, 2014 5:40:44am

re: #62 NJDhockeyfan

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Thanks, that was helpful tonight.

149 Vogon Poetry  Oct 25, 2014 5:43:43am

MSF/DWB calls for immediate action on Ebola, and hopes to get its workers enrolled in the vaccine trials that are set to begin later this year. They’re the ones getting hit hardest by the disease, all while trying to help those stricken with Ebola survive this disease that has shown itself to be survivable when care, facilities, and access to medications is up to Western medical standards.

“The message we heard from WHO that the people fighting the epidemic will be among the first to test Ebola vaccines and treatments is exactly the one we needed to hear,” said Dr. Bertrand Draguez, medical director for MSF. “Now urgent action is needed to get those promises delivered in West Africa as soon as possible. This needs to be followed by massive roll out of vaccines to the general population once their efficacy is proven.”

“It crucial that people from Ministries of Health, aid agencies, and communities who are holding the response to the epidemic together, and ensuring access to essential health care, are protected,” Dr. Draguez added. “Resources everywhere are stretched to almost breaking point; everyone is at capacity, but it is extremely hard for the people treating and sustaining the response to do it with absolutely no safety net. Safe and effective treatments and vaccines could offer just that.”

150 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 25, 2014 5:46:12am

re: #149 Vogon Poetry

MSF/DWB calls for immediate action on Ebola, and hopes to get its workers enrolled in the vaccine trials that are set to begin later this year. They’re the ones getting hit hardest by the disease, all while trying to help those stricken with Ebola survive this disease that has shown itself to be survivable when care, facilities, and access to medications is up to Western modern medical standards.

Imagine that! (and fix orated because such medical care isn’t just a western thing, so don’t want it to sound colonialist)

151 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 6:00:15am

The BBC interviewed one of their Media Action journalists based in Liberia today. He says one of the difficulties in dealing with the disease is the lack of education in West Africa. People think it’s bad magic, demons, punishment from God, a trick by westerners or national enemies — all sorts of wacky stuff. So, getting people to understand the importance of proper hygiene, bio-protection, isolation and quarantine, etc., slows down the efficacy of any ameliorative efforts.

Adequate education and health systems need to be place everywhere in the world — that’s the message people need to hear.

Also, this: littlegreenfootballs.com

152 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 25, 2014 6:10:00am

We killed the thread! It dead! It dead!

153 Vogon Poetry  Oct 25, 2014 6:11:02am

re: #151 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Absolutely. And sociopaths like CCJ think nothing of spreading the fear-mongering rumors that MSF is the one responsible for the outbreak, which repeats and feeds into the sentiment in some parts of the world where public health workers are attacked for trying to educate, let alone provide vaccinations, for communicable and entirely preventable diseases.

Nigeria is one of the countries where polio persisted into the 21st century. In 2003, polio vaccination efforts had to be suspended after unfounded rumors that vaccines were causing diseases - allowing a new outbreak to occur there. And the country is still one of the places where polio is still endemic and new cases are reported even this year.

But their vaccination efforts in recent years also helped the country track down and stop the Ebola outbreak there in its tracks by using the skills and methods from the polio vaccination efforts when cases were identified.

But Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone are countries that have a fraction of the medical infrastructure of even Nigeria - let alone the US or Western Europe.

The thing that’s galling to me is that people like CCJ have no empathy for addressing this public health crisis - blaming those that are providing care for Ebola patients. And there needs to be serious pushback on this - holding these nitwits accountable for their irresponsible and malicious statements.

He puts people in danger with his statements. There’s no way to sugar coat that.

154 Vogon Poetry  Oct 25, 2014 6:11:46am

re: #152 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

It’s not dead. It’s resting.

155 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 6:17:48am

re: #153 Vogon Poetry

Here’s scary tidbit I learned watching the Beeb today.

The little girl who traveled from Liberia to her home in Mali was on a bus for several hours with her grandma during the 650-mile trip. And the little girl has since died.

And we wonder how 10,000 people in West Africa have gotten infected.

156 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 25, 2014 6:21:17am

File under WTF?: Tech Founder Sends Female Reporter Gift Basket Loaded With Sexism

Tech’s armada of PR professionals can be their own worst enemy. But their protective shield occasionally hides the chauvinism of tech founders. Otherwise you get dudes like Blake Francis, founder of the question and answer app Need, who tried to buy favorable press from a female reporter with a wildly inappropriate gift basket.

The San Francisco Chronicle’s Kristen V. Brown recounts the incident:
A few weeks ago, a startup founder showed up in the lobby of The Chronicle after hours. He told me I hadn’t responded to his e-mails. And he wanted to get my attention.

He delivered his pitch, along with a wicker basket filled with sexually suggestive gifts: the sex toy, a tube of K-Y Jelly, raw oysters and Tequila.

O_o

157 Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2014 6:25:02am

re: #156 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

File under WTF?: Tech Founder Sends Female Reporter Gift Basket Loaded With Sexism

O_o

I hope she got rich off of the lawsuit.

158 Vogon Poetry  Oct 25, 2014 6:34:20am

So, politifact rates the widely noted statistic that there have been 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook as mostly false (a number that has gone up since June 2014).

How they arrive at that conclusion is as illuminating as the statistic they claim to debunk.

They claim that the reason it’s mostly false is because people think of school shootings as being the rogue gunman going on a spree inside a school and shooting people as they go about their business.

That happens in some of the cases, but not all. Therefore, they rate it false.

The problem with that simplistic analysis is that the fact is that firearms are on school grounds far too much, and people are getting killed under circumstances that don’t rise to Sandy Hook massacre levels. It doesn’t make it any less disturbing.

Heck, much of the focus of the gun rights folks pushing for more guns and security on school grounds is to address all bad actors that come on grounds with guns - things like secure entry area, armed guards, etc.

Diminishing the fact that school shootings includes suicides, gun fights that spill over from the surrounding neighborhood into the school grounds, or took place after “school hours” ignores the prevalence of guns in and around schools.

It reeks of the mindset that there’s an acceptable body count.

159 Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2014 6:50:10am

re: #158 Vogon Poetry

So, politifact rates the widely noted statistic that there have been 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook as mostly false (a number that has gone up since June 2014).

How they arrive at that conclusion is as illuminating as the statistic they claim to debunk.

They claim that the reason it’s mostly false is because people think of school shootings as being the rogue gunman going on a spree inside a school and shooting people as they go about their business.

That happens in some of the cases, but not all. Therefore, they rate it false.

The problem with that simplistic analysis is that the fact is that firearms are on school grounds far too much, and people are getting killed under circumstances that don’t rise to Sandy Hook massacre levels. It doesn’t make it any less disturbing.

Heck, much of the focus of the gun rights folks pushing for more guns and security on school grounds is to address all bad actors that come on grounds with guns - things like secure entry area, armed guards, etc.

Diminishing the fact that school shootings includes suicides, gun fights that spill over from the surrounding neighborhood into the school grounds, or took place after “school hours” ignores the prevalence of guns in and around schools.

It reeks of the mindset that there’s an acceptable body count.

I’m going to partially disagree, mostly because of public perceptions. For the American public, “school shooting” means an ‘active shooter’ who attacks the school to kill those he thinks have wronged him or to kill at random until taken down.

A gang fight with guns that spills onto school grounds and results in death there is properly seen (in my mind) as a gang killing, which is a different type of crime than a ‘rampage mass murder’. Politifact surely has a defensible case for separating crimes that differ greatly in origin, motives, and targeting.

160 Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2014 6:51:18am

BBL

161 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2014 6:56:01am

re: #154 Vogon Poetry

It’s not dead. It’s resting.

*poof of gas flame, clang of coffee filter cup etc*

One lizard done resting Just waking up here on the left coast.

162 Romantic Heretic  Oct 25, 2014 6:58:44am

Dead in a ‘school shooting’ is just as dead as ‘gang killing’, ‘gun accident’ or ‘suicide’.

But much of America seems to believe such levels of death by firearms is a feature, not a bug.

163 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 25, 2014 7:00:19am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to partially disagree, mostly because of public perceptions. For the American public, “school shooting” means an ‘active shooter’ who attacks the school to kill those he thinks have wronged him or to kill at random until taken down.

A gang fight with guns that spills onto school grounds and results in death there is properly seen (in my mind) as a gang killing, which is a different type of crime than a ‘rampage mass murder’. Politifact surely has a defensible case for separating crimes that differ greatly in origin, motives, and targeting.

The problem is how they operationalize school shooting. Does the FBI operationalize it that way? If not, then Politifact is playing bullshit semantic games, which doesn’t surprise me in the least.

164 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 25, 2014 7:01:43am

Also, how many “gang fights with guns” spill onto school grounds? Seems we’d have heard about these if they happened often enough.

165 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2014 7:09:21am

re: #164 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

They have certainly happened here in L.A. But it’s not a running shooting running gunfight where the shooters get onto the school. More the stray bullet hits a kid from some distance away. Some links.

166 darthstar  Oct 25, 2014 7:16:26am
167 makeitstop  Oct 25, 2014 7:16:51am

Thanks, Charles. Now I’m in love with Meghan Krause all over again.

‘Morning, Lizardim!

168 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 7:20:48am

Might be too late to make sense of the ‘school shooting’ term. (Wrecking the definition of words is a common enough bit of ideologue rhetoric, particularly on the Right at the moment.) There needs to be a useful distinction between the janitor shooting himself in the boiler room at 10PM and a gunshot in the hall during class change.

169 ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2014 7:22:38am

Morning all.

A question about that Politifact school gun shootings thing. Are not gangs on school property a school issue? Then shouldn’t a gang member that decides to shoot a rival or rivals at school be a school problem? If so, then it is a school shooting.

I think the word ‘gang’ is giving them an out that really isn’t there.

Wasn’t part of the Columbine shooting due to the two shooters going after kids they saw as the ‘cool kids/jocks’? That means they decided to see those kids as a faction. Cannot a faction be seen as a ‘gang’ in a way? It is an us versus them kind of thing. I do believe many school shootings come from a faction being seen as an enemy to the shooters.

Seems like needless splitting of hairs. I also wonder if there isn’t just a touch of bigotry involved in the thinking. You know, gangs are ‘those people’ and that stuff is in the ‘hood, or something.

170 iceweasel  Oct 25, 2014 7:31:30am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Post edited to cross out the Josh Marshall parts out. I stand by my statement that Paul Elam is a hater.

Paul Elam is a hater. Josh Marshall, despite frantic wingnut fapping, is not.

171 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2014 7:36:43am

re: #168 Decatur Deb

(Wrecking the definition of words is a common enough bit of ideologue rhetoric, particularly on the Right at the moment.)

QFT-Liberal, Conservative, Moderate, Fanatic, Good Guy With Gun, and on.

re: #169 ObserverArt

I think we must admit this is a classic case of symptoms of what I call advocates disease. Pro gun control numbers seek broad definitions so as to not miss any examples that even might bolster their case. Anti gun control efforts seek a hundred classifications to specify beyond the medias ability to confer well. That’s a deliberately kind description of course some would say understated. Politifact is in the business of splitting hairs.

A bullet can go a mile. School grounds are often defined way beyond the fence. For the purpose of business permit zoning and exclusion zones for convicted predators or extra penalties in the war on drugs. That’s a lot of real estate when you look at a city map that shows all the schools and the usual 1000ft radius administrative influence area. LAUSD is about 1100, who knows how many private / religious schools there are.

But I just want to say screw all of that. We must all agree we can halve the numbers five times over and it’s still too many. Look to how to make that difference that is the heart of the argument anyway. All else becomes noise.

172 iceweasel  Oct 25, 2014 7:40:29am

re: #169 ObserverArt

Wasn’t part of the Columbine shooting due to the two shooters going after kids they saw as the ‘cool kids/jocks’?

That means they decided to see those kids as a faction. Cannot a faction be seen as a ‘gang’ in a way? It is an us versus them kind of thing. I do believe many school shootings come from a faction being seen as an enemy to the shooters.

Seems like needless splitting of hairs. I also wonder if there isn’t just a touch of bigotry involved in the thinking. You know, gangs are ‘those people’ and that stuff is in the ‘hood, or something.

No— that’s not true at all about the columbine shooting, and I would also take issue with some of your other remarks.

I would recommend the book Columbine, by Dave Cullen. But you can also read this piece he did for Salon called The Depressive and the Psychopath:

Five years ago today, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold murdered their classmates and teachers at Columbine High School. Most Americans have reached one of two wrong conclusions about why they did it. The first conclusion is that the pair of supposed “Trench Coat Mafia outcasts” were taking revenge against the bullies who had made school miserable for them. The second conclusion is that the massacre was inexplicable: We can never understand what drove them to such horrific violence.

But the FBI and its team of psychiatrists and psychologists have reached an entirely different conclusion. They believe they know why Harris and Klebold killed, and their explanation is both more reassuring and more troubling than our misguided conclusions

The Columbine shooting had nothing to do with gangs, or bullies, or any of the things mass media churned out at the time. The book Columbine is fascinating— I highly recommend it.

173 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 25, 2014 7:43:43am

Some Saturday morning listening: Out Here in the Middle, James McMurtry

Youtube Video

174 bratwurst  Oct 25, 2014 7:50:03am
175 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 8:10:48am

The problem with getting lost in the minutiae of what is or isn’t a school shooting is that we forget that it’s a fucking school shooting.

It’s important to understand all the reasons of why they happen, but one thing is common in all school shootings. Guns.

Control them, and work on all the causes of school shootings.

176 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 8:27:10am
177 ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2014 8:28:17am

re: #172 iceweasel

No— that’s not true at all about the columbine shooting, and I would also take issue with some of your other remarks.

I would recommend the book Columbine, by Dave Cullen. But you can also read this piece he did for Salon called The Depressive and the Psychopath:

The Columbine shooting had nothing to do with gangs, or bullies, or any of the things mass media churned out at the time. The book Columbine is fascinating— I highly recommend it.

Thanks for the link. I am reading it now. I’ll look for the book too.

If you note, my comment was formed as a question as I really was not sure of the Columbine motivations (plural).

I am not trying to act as any kind of an expert on school shootings, as they are most likely caused by many factors that are both school, home, neighborhood, background, group and individual related.

If one wanted, they could reason there are no school shootings. It could be said they are all mental health or societal related and the school just happens to be the area they happen at.

My point was simply if they happen on school grounds, they are then school related. To break them out further is the splitting the hairs point.

So, are there school shootings or are there just shootings? Does it matter where it happens at all?

Well yes, if you have to run security for a school, then no matter what is behind the shooting, it is a danger to all those at the school.

What a freaking mess the whole thing is. It is damn frustrating. As I said last night in a comment, our society wigs out about Ebola and wants it stopped yesterday. They want the president on it. Guns…they don’t seem to want to prevent anything and they sure as hell don’t want the president on it. It makes zero fucking sense to me.

178 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 8:34:48am

re: #177 ObserverArt

If Ebola has its own lobbying organization with a shitload of money at its disposal, and a constitutional amendment that could be interpreted to give Ebola legal rights, things would be totally different.

179 ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2014 8:37:09am

re: #178 wheat-dogghazi-bola

If Ebola has its own lobbying organization with a shitload of money at its disposal, and a constitutional amendment that could be interpreted to give Ebola legal rights, things would be totally different.

Ebola is just misunderstood and needs a pac behind it!

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180 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 8:42:07am
181 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 8:42:53am

re: #179 ObserverArt

We’d be in a world of trouble if viruses and bacteria were sentient, and could retain really good lawyers.

182 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 25, 2014 8:44:42am

re: #180 Charles Johnson

RIP Jack Bruce. He seems to have had a good long life.

183 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 8:47:34am

re: #138 freetoken

The tenor of WaPo’s editorial page has led me to conclude that the paper is involved in a years-long campaign to make itself attractive to Rupert Murdoch. That paper’s choice of Carly Fiorina to write an editorial on any subject other than FAIL seeems to bear out my conclusion. Fiorina was forced to resign as the CEO of Hewlett-Packard after a series of disastrous decisions, She then went on to become a McCain campaign staffer and a vigorous defender of McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin, Her last grand gesture was a failed campaign for the Senate seat then held by Barbara Boxer. The high point of that fiasco was the unintentionally hilarious “Demon Sheep” ad.

Wait,

Record of failure: Check
Thoroughgoing corporatist: Check
Climate change denier: Check
Supported CA’s Prop. 8: Check
Arrogant and entitled: Check

Fuck it. FIORINA 2016!

184 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 8:47:34am
185 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 25, 2014 8:56:13am

re: #183 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m amazed anyone lets Carly Fiorina comment on anything given her track record. SMH

186 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 9:01:54am

re: #184 jaunte

See, gay marriage, now the Sun is pissed!

187 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 9:02:19am

re: #183 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Upding for reminding me of the Demon Sheep ad.

188 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 9:26:42am

Morning!

189 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 25, 2014 9:27:07am

re: #172 iceweasel

No— that’s not true at all about the columbine shooting, and I would also take issue with some of your other remarks.

I would recommend the book Columbine, by Dave Cullen. But you can also read this piece he did for Salon called The Depressive and the Psychopath:

The Columbine shooting had nothing to do with gangs, or bullies, or any of the things mass media churned out at the time. The book Columbine is fascinating— I highly recommend it.

[…] But the FBI and its team of psychiatrists and psychologists have reached an entirely different conclusion. They believe they know why Harris and Klebold killed, and their explanation is both more reassuring and more troubling than our misguided conclusions[…]

Quoting a psychiatrist friend:

“There are 3 mental diagnosis that should be listed in the DSM:

1. Dumb as shit.
2. Fucked up.
3. Crazy as hell.”

Which one of those do you think fits the Columbine spree killing?

190 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 25, 2014 9:28:25am

re: #189 BeenHereAwhile

Quoting a psychiatrist friend:

“There are 3 mental diagnosis that should be listed in the DSM:

1. Dumb as shit.
2. Fucked up.
3. Crazy as hell.”

Which one of those do you think fits the Columbine spree killing?

At least 2 and 3, although their wiring skills would hint at 1.

191 Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2014 9:47:07am

re: #188 Stanley Seabola

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Morning!

NO WIFI?! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!

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192 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:03:44am
193 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:05:22am

HOw is it this morning?

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 10:05:44am
195 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:12:59am

Posting Every Day Until the Election -please share

196 Mattand  Oct 25, 2014 10:13:02am

re: #153 Vogon Poetry

That’s pretty much how racists and their conservative buddies roll these days.

And I think at this point, theres really no other way to describe CCJ except as a sociopath. There’s a level of pure malice there that even Limbaugh or Jim Hoft aren’t reaching.

197 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:16:18am

OMG! the fear, the hype —I’m so tired of it.

198 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:18:27am

re: #153 Vogon Poetry

Absolutely. And sociopaths like CCJ think nothing of spreading the fear-mongering rumors that MSF is the one responsible for the outbreak, which repeats and feeds into the sentiment in some parts of the world where public health workers are attacked for trying to educate, let alone provide vaccinations, for communicable and entirely preventable diseases.

Nigeria is one of the countries where polio persisted into the 21st century. In 2003, polio vaccination efforts had to be suspended after unfounded rumors that vaccines were causing diseases - allowing a new outbreak to occur there. And the country is still one of the places where polio is still endemic and new cases are reported even this year.

But their vaccination efforts in recent years also helped the country track down and stop the Ebola outbreak there in its tracks by using the skills and methods from the polio vaccination efforts when cases were identified.

But Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone are countries that have a fraction of the medical infrastructure of even Nigeria - let alone the US or Western Europe.

The thing that’s galling to me is that people like CCJ have no empathy for addressing this public health crisis - blaming those that are providing care for Ebola patients. And there needs to be serious pushback on this - holding these nitwits accountable for their irresponsible and malicious statements.

He puts people in danger with his statements. There’s no way to sugar coat that.

Polio schmolio —we only care about the current drama/scandal

199 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:24:10am

ok, where is everyone?

200 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:25:50am
201 Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2014 10:25:51am

re: #199 FemNaziBitch

ok, where is everyone?

Some of us were watching There Will Be Blood.

Well, OK…..I was. Don’t know about anyone else.

202 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:26:12am

I’m gonna keep posting until someone interrupts me.

203 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:27:11am
204 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:28:55am
205 Varek Raith  Oct 25, 2014 10:30:18am

re: #89 bill d

Kazon, Star Trek Voyager.
…
/What???

206 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:30:28am
207 Mattand  Oct 25, 2014 10:31:08am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

Some of us were watching There Will Be Blood.

Well, OK…..I was. Don’t know about anyone else.

Are you FINISHED????

208 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:31:15am
209 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:31:38am

re: #205 Varek Raith

Kazon, Star Trek Voyager.
…
/What???

I never finished Voyager

210 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:33:47am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

Some of us were watching There Will Be Blood.

Well, OK…..I was. Don’t know about anyone else.

That was the most god-awful movie ever! I hated it. Sat thru the whole thing in the theatre. 1/2 way thru I asked if we could leave and my kid said no. Then afterwards, he said “I really wanted to leave 1/2 way thru.”

He was in Jr HIgh and already living the man life.

211 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:34:44am
212 Mattand  Oct 25, 2014 10:35:08am

Well, I’m off to go pedal around my corner of the county for a bit. Later on, I’m hooking up with Josh Marshall for a Men’s Rights Advocacy meeting, because that’s what unrepentant misogynists do.

(I made the mistake of reading earlier comments around post #69. Oy. Context challenged, indeed.)

213 allegro  Oct 25, 2014 10:36:34am

The booze and groceries are purchased, my house cleaning chores are almost done, the patio is clean and ready. My new grill is assembled (I did it all by myself!), and my firepit is loaded with wood. Just gotta marinate the fish, prep the slaw, chop the veggies and cook the rice. Oh and smash the avocadoes for guacamole.

Grilling party tonight complete with “campfire”! The weather is perfection!

214 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 10:37:24am

re: #206 FemNaziBitch

As he was having a noisy tantrum in his back yard, a crowd of neighborhood residents gathered. Jones made the mistake of laughing at his neighbor’s histrionics, which drove the man to even greater heights of rage.

“Responsible gun owner”

215 Dead Tired  Oct 25, 2014 10:38:53am

re: #195 FemNaziBitch

Posting Every Day Until the Election -please share

Why do you keep posting that here? Wouldn’t it be better on Twitter?

216 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2014 10:38:59am

re: #213 allegro

The booze and groceries are purchased, my house cleaning chores are almost done, the patio is clean and ready. My new grill is assembled (I did it all by myself!), and my firepit is loaded with wood. Just gotta marinate the fish, prep the slaw, chop the veggies and cook the rice. Oh and smash the avocadoes for guacamole.

Grilling party tonight complete with “campfire”! The weather is perfection!

Nice! Now that’s a weekend.

217 Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2014 10:40:47am

re: #207 Mattand

Are you FINISHED????

LOL

218 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 10:46:28am
220 allegro  Oct 25, 2014 11:02:56am

re: #219 Varek Raith

Republicans Reject Grandmother’s Request To Pull Attack Ad Featuring Her Murdered Grandson

Has Chuckie tweeted the grandmother’s address yet?

221 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 11:03:17am

re: #213 allegro

The booze and groceries are purchased, my house cleaning chores are almost done, the patio is clean and ready. My new grill is assembled (I did it all by myself!), and my firepit is loaded with wood. Just gotta marinate the fish, prep the slaw, chop the veggies and cook the rice. Oh and smash the avocadoes for guacamole.

Grilling party tonight complete with “campfire”! The weather is perfection!

don’t forget the garlic!!!

222 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 11:03:52am

re: #215 Dead Tired

Why do you keep posting that here? Wouldn’t it be better on Twitter?

I do. and facebook.

223 allegro  Oct 25, 2014 11:06:32am

re: #221 FemNaziBitch

don’t forget the garlice!!!

No bugs are allowed on my patio. :D

224 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 11:12:08am
225 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 11:13:52am
226 urbanmeemaw  Oct 25, 2014 11:15:08am

re: #131 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Has anyone stopped to wonder why Chuck Todd had a picture of his crotch in the first place?

Also, too, who gives a lemur turd if he has his f-ing seat belt on.

These bowel blockers are so narcissistic. Like everyone is obsessing about his seat belt.

And if Chuck Toddler is to be called out for anything, it’s the fact he is an inept, lazy, lying evil weasel.

227 urbanmeemaw  Oct 25, 2014 11:18:32am

re: #151 wheat-dogghazi-bola

“People think it’s bad magic, demons, punishment from God, a trick by westerners or national enemies — all sorts of wacky stuff.”

Sounds like an Oath Keepers/Tea Party meeting.

228 sagehen  Oct 25, 2014 11:19:00am

re: #213 allegro

The booze and groceries are purchased, my house cleaning chores are almost done, the patio is clean and ready. My new grill is assembled (I did it all by myself!), and my firepit is loaded with wood. Just gotta marinate the fish, prep the slaw, chop the veggies and cook the rice. Oh and smash the avocadoes for guacamole.

Grilling party tonight complete with “campfire”! The weather is perfection!

We need more detail.

What kind of wood? What exactly is in the marinade, and how long do you soak the fish? What kind of fish? What veggies?

Why do you not list s’mores on the menu? It’s not a real “campfire” if there’s no s’mores.

229 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 11:19:57am

re: #226 urbanmeemaw

Also, too, who gives a lemur turd if he has his f-ing seat belt on.

These bowel blockers are so narcissistic. Like everyone is obsessing about his seat belt.

And if Chuck Toddler is to be called out for anything, it’s the fact he is an inept, lazy, lying evil weasel.

QFT

230 urbanmeemaw  Oct 25, 2014 11:21:50am

re: #174 bratwurst

Better yet, look in the mirror, Howie.

231 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 11:22:03am

re: #226 urbanmeemaw

Also, too, who gives a lemur turd if he has his f-ing seat belt on.

These bowel blockers are so narcissistic. Like everyone is obsessing about his seat belt.

And if Chuck Toddler is to be called out for anything, it’s the fact he is an inept, lazy, lying evil weasel.

Thing is, one side of the lower part of the seatbelt is obviously twisted and the other side is resting on his thigh.
Gonna be totally useless if he actually needed it in case of a crash.

232 urbanmeemaw  Oct 25, 2014 11:23:29am

re: #179 ObserverArt

No, Ebola just needs to reach across the aisle.

233 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 11:26:28am

bbl

234 Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2014 11:26:44am

re: #226 urbanmeemaw

And if Chuck Toddler is to be called out for anything, it’s the fact he is an inept, lazy, lying evil weasel.

That seems to be a requirement for employment at NBC. See Trump, Donald.

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 11:30:20am

re: #213 allegro

We have thick country-style pork ribs marinating/tenderizing in a beer/mandarin orange mix over a very low heat in a dutch oven right now, in preparation for later BBQ finishing on the grill.
Loaded baked potato w/bacon salad, a pasta salad, and a variety of chips and crunchies for sides. Larger variety of cheeses and antipastos as well, in addition to homemade pickles.

Outside temp is currently 62F and dropping but, dammit, we refuse to give in to winter just yet!

236 urbanmeemaw  Oct 25, 2014 11:30:58am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

But John McCain told him that was the proper way to wear his seatbelt!

237 darthstar  Oct 25, 2014 11:32:36am

re: #226 urbanmeemaw

Also, too, who gives a lemur turd if he has his f-ing seat belt on.

These bowel blockers are so narcissistic. Like everyone is obsessing about his seat belt.

And if Chuck Toddler is to be called out for anything, it’s the fact he is an inept, lazy, lying evil weasel.

238 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 11:35:41am

re: #237 darthstar

THERE!
Hey Chuck, it’s called a LAPbelt, not a THIGHbelt.

Actually, looking at that tweet picture again, Chuck needs to worry about something more sensitive than his thigh that will be impacted in case of a crash…

239 urbanmeemaw  Oct 25, 2014 11:39:05am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dag! Other blogs post requests to help rescue animals.

LGF should have campaigns for commenters to adopt lazy old people who can’t cook worth crap. (Ahem, clears throat).

Hmmm. Maybe I can be bankrolled by a billionaire to start my own Adopt Pathetic Lazy Old People blog. I could call it the “Griftercept”.

240 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 11:44:09am

Streetcrow before streetcoffee.

241 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 25, 2014 11:45:23am
242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 11:47:33am

re: #239 urbanmeemaw

Well, to be fair, LGF lizardz are some of the best cooks to be found on the intertubes and we’ve been known to share our recipes and food porn pics with alarming frequency…

243 palomino  Oct 25, 2014 11:50:02am

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

Color me totally unsurprised that you’re a Palin apologist.

244 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 25, 2014 11:50:14am

Yum! I will make this tonight and add bacon.

245 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 25, 2014 11:50:34am

re: #243 palomino

Color me totally unsurprised that you’re a Palin apologist.

Bullshit.

246 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 11:50:58am

[…]

Two female victims — identified as Shaylee Chuckulnaskit and Gia Soriano, both 14 — suffered head wounds when Jaylen Ray Fryberg opened fire in the cafeteria at Marysville Pilchuck High School in Marysville, police and hospital officials said. Fryberg killed a female student, and died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to authorities.

The two injured girls are in critical condition and “being monitored moment by moment” at Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett, said Joanne Roberts, the hospital’s chief medical officer. “The next three days are going to be crucial,” Roberts said.

The girls’ families are by the patients’ bedsides, and “just grieving,” Roberts said. “We’ve seen tears, we’ve seen anger,” she added. Soriano’s family said in a statement that they are in “shock.”

Two male victims, ages 14 and 15, are being treated at Harborview Medical Center Seattle. The 14-year-old suffered a jaw injury and was in serious condition Saturday, said hospital spokeswoman Susan Gregg. The 15-year-old was in critical condition with a head injury after undergoing “extensive surgery,” hospital officials added.

The boys have not been identified, but they were described as cousins of the shooter by Don Hatch, the grandfather of one of the victims. “They’re just three complete buddies, and they couldn’t be closer than three brothers,” Hatch told TODAY of the gunman and the two injured boys, who are in intensive care.

[…]

So sad.

247 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 11:51:57am

Violence only matters if it’s a Muslim. Otherwise it’s just ‘crazy people.’

Right.

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 11:53:58am

re: #244 NJDhockeyfan

Yum! I will make this tonight and add bacon.

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I did that with a sweet potato, bacon and butter.

O.M.G.

249 allegro  Oct 25, 2014 11:54:05am

re: #228 sagehen

We need more detail.

What kind of wood? What exactly is in the marinade, and how long do you soak the fish? What kind of fish? What veggies?
I
Why do you not list s’mores on the menu? It’s not a real “campfire” if there’s no s’mores.

Wood for the campfire: damned if I know. It’s campfire wood. It burns. OF COURSE, there will be S’mores!

Mesquite charcoal for the grill.

Marinade for the tilapia: olive oil, lime juice, tequila, chili powder, cilantro, and jalapeno. This is for tacos to be topped with spicy slaw: shredded cabbage, sour cream, chipotle hot sauce, chili powder, cumin, and lime juice. Also grilled red bell peppers, freshly picked.

Rice side: buttered brown rice with chopped tomatoes, onion, cilantro, and black olives.

Also on the menu: jumbo shrimp, freshly caught, on their way from Galveston with one of my guests. They will be cleaned, skewered, grilled and brushed with garlic butter.

Dessert (in addition to S’mores): Pepperidge Farm Milano cookie cake with birthday candles for a guest who will be turning 80 in a few days. He’s bringing the herbal party supplies. LOL

There will be wine, beer, and a pitcher of scratch Mohitos made with fresh mint from my garden.

250 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 11:55:42am

re: #245 NJDhockeyfan

Bullshit.

Oh, you’re a feminist fighting against patriarchal double standards then even if you mistakenly choose to ignore context.

251 sagehen  Oct 25, 2014 12:02:16pm

re: #249 allegro

Yummers.

252 palomino  Oct 25, 2014 12:02:35pm

re: #245 NJDhockeyfan

Bullshit.

Your refusal to actually debate topics substantively betrays both a lack of knowledge and a lack of sincerity. Your constant posts without context, understanding or comment just rile shit up. You know this, which puts you in near troll territory. Unlike DF and others, you don’t admit your frequent mistakes and you run away from real discussions.

And thanks for letting us all know that the NLCS is best of 5. LOL, you can’t even get sports stories right.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 25, 2014 12:03:18pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

I did that with a sweet potato, bacon and butter.

O.M.G.

Slicing it makes it cook faster. Looks like I’ll be lighting up the grill tonight and cooking some steaks to have with it.

254 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 25, 2014 12:06:12pm

re: #252 palomino

Your refusal to actually debate topics substantively betrays both a lack of knowledge and a lack of sincerity. Your constant posts without context, understanding or comment just rile shit up. You know this, which puts you in near troll territory. Unlike DF and others, you don’t admit your frequent mistakes and you run away from real discussions.

And thanks for letting us all know that the NLCS is best of 5. LOL, you can’t even get sports stories right.

No mistakes. I stand by my comments , it was a disgusting comment about women. If you support violence against women if they throw the first punch then you have a problem.

255 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 12:09:17pm

re: #254 NJDhockeyfan

No mistakes. I stand by my comments , it was a disgusting comment about women. If you support violence against women if they throw the first punch then you have a problem.

It was a comment about the Palin kerfuffle, not about ‘women.’

And who punched Bristol, or how was his comment supporting violence against women?

256 bratwurst  Oct 25, 2014 12:13:57pm

re: #254 NJDhockeyfan

If you support violence against women if they throw the first punch then you have a problem.

And here I would have thought sleeping on it might be beneficial for a bit of critical thinking.

257 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 12:14:27pm

Not to mention twisting the exchange to say Marshall’s position justified Ray Rice knocking out his fiancee. That’s a repugnant twisting of the two situations to score points in some weird battle of equivalencies.

258 palomino  Oct 25, 2014 12:14:34pm

re: #254 NJDhockeyfan

No mistakes. I stand by my comments , it was a disgusting comment about women. If you support violence against women if they throw the first punch then you have a problem.

Who said anything about supporting violence against women? This site is about as anti-violence against women as any around, and I think you know this. If you disagree, maybe you can give some examples of posts and comments that were misogynist. I doubt you’ll find many.

This is about the Palins being compared to a woman (Ray Rice’s girlfriend, now wife) whose head was bashed in, knocked unconscious and could have died from the head trauma of having her skull rammed into a metal railing. Does that sound anything like the Palin brawl? If you think so, you might want to check out the facts of the thrilla in Wasilla. Because if you did, you’d see how specious and self-serving the comparison is. Life isn’t all black and white. Try to understand context and accept shades of gray. Though not necessarily all 50 of them.

259 Mattand  Oct 25, 2014 12:14:36pm

re: #254 NJDhockeyfan

No mistakes. I stand by my comments , it was a disgusting comment about women. If you support violence against women if they throw the first punch then you have a problem.

Wow, you’re really gonna go Full Metal Dig That Hole to Earth’s Iron Core?

260 Mattand  Oct 25, 2014 12:15:37pm

Screw this. I’m gonna go take a shower and finish my Joey Ramone costume for tonight.

261 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 12:16:07pm

re: #260 Mattand

Screw this. I’m gonna go take a shower and finish my Joey Ramone costume for tonight.

Are you going to be sedated?

262 Mattand  Oct 25, 2014 12:17:55pm

re: #261 BigPapa

Are you going to be sedated?

Yes. Particularly after reading #254 and seeing there’s a Cretin Hop in action.

Ugh.

263 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 12:29:55pm

re: #254 NJDhockeyfan

No mistakes. I stand by my comments , it was a disgusting comment about women. If you support violence against women if they throw the first punch then you have a problem.

Bristol wasn’t “punched”, nor was she “held down on the ground until someone removed her from ‘the situation’.”
She was a drunk woman who couldn’t keep her stories straight with the police immediately after the incident and now, six weeks later, she suddenly “remembers” that she was “sexually assaulted” by the guy who owns the house where the party was held, a party that she was NOT invited to attend.
At MIDNIGHT, she was a sloppy crying drunk with her five-year-old son in attendance (you can hear him crying on the police audiotape).
Bristol and Sarah Palin do an extreme disservice … no, they make a freaking MOCKERY … of real violence against women.

Bristol and the rest of the Palins were drunken party crashers looking for a fight and their attempts to portray themselves as “victims” is not only laughable, it’s pathetic.

And I say all of this as someone who has family members (male and female both) who have alcohol and substance abuse issues who have been pulling this exact same “I’m the real victim here” shit for decades.

Bristol hit Korey (the homeowner) at least half a dozen times before he shoved her. I’m here to tell you that “turn the other cheek” gets old, and I don’t care if it’s a sloppy drunk woman being an asshole who gets her ass handed to her when enough is goddammit enough.

Being a woman doesn’t give me or any other woman free reign to beat on a man or any other person without consequences.

I’m still just stunned at the hubris of this family claiming they are the victims after listening to the police tapes.

264 allegro  Oct 25, 2014 12:33:28pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

I approve of this rant. So much.

265 palomino  Oct 25, 2014 12:33:48pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bristol wasn’t “punched”, nor was she “held down on the ground until someone removed her from ‘the situation’.”
She was a drunk woman who couldn’t keep her stories straight with the police immediately after the incident and now, six weeks later, she suddenly “remembers” that she was “sexually assaulted” by the guy who owns the house where the party was held, a party that she was NOT invited to attend.
At MIDNIGHT, she was a sloppy crying drunk with her five-year-old son in attendance (you can hear him crying on the police audiotape).
Bristol and Sarah Palin do an extreme disservice … no, they make a freaking MOCKERY … of real violence against women.

Bristol and the rest of the Palins were drunken party crashers looking for a fight and their attempts to portray themselves as “victims” is not only laughable, it’s pathetic.

And I say all of this as someone who has family members (male and female both) who have alcohol and substance abuse issues who have been pulling this exact same “I’m the real victim here” shit for decades.

Bristol hit Korey (the homeowner) at least half a dozen times before he shoved her. I’m here to tell you that “turn the other cheek” gets old, and I don’t care if it’s a sloppy drunk woman being an asshole who gets her ass handed to her when enough is goddammit enough.

Being a woman doesn’t give me or any other woman free reign to beat on a man or any other person without consequences.

I’m still just stunned at the hubris of this family claiming they are the victims after listening to the police tapes.

We’re wasting our time having a discussion with hockey man. This is his M.O., he posts some shit, then runs away because he lacks the brains and inclination to engage in a serious substantive debate. This is why he’s one of the least intellectually honest of all lizards. A borderline troll.

266 The War TARDIS  Oct 25, 2014 12:33:57pm

re: #252 palomino

Forget it, he is pulling a sea lion.

267 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 12:33:59pm

re: #264 allegro

I approve of this rant. So much.

Thank you.

And I held back.

A lot…

268 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 12:35:40pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m still just stunned at the hubris of this family claiming they are the victims after listening to the police tapes.

I’m more stunned by people who take what the Palins say at face value to espouse some kind of feminist piety at ‘the media’ or some other group or person.

269 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 12:36:29pm

re: #264 allegro

I approve of this rant. So much.

This Rant wins two Thrown Wine Coolers.

270 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 12:37:35pm

re: #268 BigPapa

I’m more stunned by people who take what the Palins say at face value to espouse some kind of feminist piety at ‘the media’ or some other group or person.

It’s such a lame deflection from the War on Women. The Magical Balance Fairy weeps.

271 allegro  Oct 25, 2014 12:39:46pm

re: #270 wrenchwitch

It’s such a lame deflection from the War on Women. The Magical Balance Fairy weeps.

It’s a desperate attempt at “No, you!” Such a pathetic ploy to deflect from one’s own unconscionable behavior.

272 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 12:40:32pm

re: #271 allegro

It’s a desperate attempt at “No, you!” Such a pathetic ploy to deflect from one’s own unconscionable behavior.

NJDH must really hate Josh Marshall.

273 allegro  Oct 25, 2014 12:44:19pm

Along this same vein… I really dislike the whole “you should never hit a woman” meme. It’s sexist as hell. Women are not fragile flowers who need white knights standing at their sides every minute for protection.

What we should be teaching our children is “never hit ANYONE.” It is no more appropriate for a woman to hit a man than a man to hit a woman.

274 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 12:44:28pm

re: #270 wrenchwitch

There’s no War on Women because there actually is a War on Women by those who say they are for women, because they’re actually against women because women are too stupid to understand they’re being duped by those people who say they support women’s rights.

See how I support wimmenfolk women!

275 ausador  Oct 25, 2014 12:47:34pm

Chuck’s latest retweet, even though the linked “article” is nothing but a couple of images with a short paragraph that says nothing about Christianity whatsoever. :(

276 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 12:48:46pm

Don’t remember when I’ve seen a drunken bubba brawl discussed with such detail and passion.

277 CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2014 12:51:18pm

OT - Added some video updates to my most recent page, courtesy of CBC.

More on the background of Michael Zehaf-Bibeau & statement form his parents:

Video

Backlash against Canadian Muslims:

Video

Presser, statements by Burnaby mosque imam & RCMP:

Video

I know the statements by the imam probably won’t matter to the “Muslims never speak up against terrorism” crowd as they seem to be incapable of taking note of the many times it’s been done, and even when they do notice they chalk it up to taqiyyah. Nonetheless I’ll keep pushing back here via LGF.

278 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 12:52:08pm

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Don’t remember when I’ve seen a drunken bubba brawl discussed with such detail and passion.

Well, the Thrilla in Wasilla is such an excellent vehicle to drive discussions of women’s rights, patriarchal privilege, and media malpractice.

(Snicker, snort)

279 goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2014 12:53:25pm

280 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 12:53:45pm

re: #278 BigPapa

Well, the Thrilla in Wasilla is such an excellent vehicle to drive discussions of women’s rights, patriarchal privilege, and media malpractice.

(Snicker, snort)

Sounds like the Northern Exposure Thanksgiving special.

281 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 12:54:51pm

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Don’t remember when I’ve seen a drunken bubba brawl discussed with such detail and passion.

Being witness so many times to a drunken bubba brawl over lo these many decades, I’m actually happy to see it finally hit the mainstream media.
Especially on top of the latest Honey BooBoo debacle.
This shit really needs to be brought out into the light and let it be recognized for what it really is, as it shrivels up and is completely condemned once and for all.

282 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 12:55:21pm

It is very difficult to chastise a dog for getting into the garbage when the crime is discovered because the dog is walking around with a cereal box on it’s head

283 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 12:56:26pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Being witness so many times to a drunken bubba brawl over lo these many decades, I’m actually happy to see it finally hit the mainstream media.
Especially on top of the latest Honey BooBoo debacle.
This shit really needs to be brought out into the light and let it be recognized for what it really is, as it shrivels up and is completely condemned once and for all.

Knew the provisions of a restraining order (peace bond) before I knew long division.

284 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 12:57:57pm

Please help me.

If I wanted to do a search of LGF comments for Brat Puppy, what are the parameters I should type in?

Just: Brat Puppy ?

285 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 12:58:25pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Knew the provisions of a restraining order (peace bond) before I knew long division.

And, sadly, said restraining orders many times aren’t even worth the paper they are printed on.
Because…reasons…

286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 12:59:28pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Please help me.

If I wanted to do a search of LGF comments for Brat Puppy, what are the parameters I should type in?

Just: Brat Puppy ?

I think you had to tag those pictures. You still can go back and do that.

287 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:01:15pm

Man Charged with Hate Crime for Vandalism at Lombard Synagogue

A $5 million bond has been set for a 40-year-old Westmont man after police said he vandalized and left graffiti of an “anti-Semitic nature” on a Lombard synagogue.

John White, of 13 Tartan Lakes Drive in Westmont, appeared in bond court Friday afternoon where DuPage County Judge Michael Wolfe ordered a $5 million full cash bond in the case.

White is charged with hate crime, a class 3 felony; criminal damage to property, a class 3 felony; possession of a firearm without a FOID card, a class 3 felony; and institutional vandalism, a class 2 felony, according to a DuPage County State’s Attorney’s Office press release.

This is the ‘local” temple my adopted Chicago parents attend.

288 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:01:34pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think you had to tag those pictures. You still can go back and do that.

I want the stories I posted, not the pictures.

289 goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2014 1:01:43pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Please help me.

If I wanted to do a search of LGF comments for Brat Puppy, what are the parameters I should type in?

Just: Brat Puppy ?

type this into Google ’ site:littlegreenfootballs.com “brat puppy” ‘.

290 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:02:38pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, sadly, said restraining orders many times aren’t even worth the paper they are printed on.
Because…reasons…

depends on the police department involved.

Aurora PD (IL) has two dedicated detectives that do nothing but DV.

It makes a difference.

291 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 1:04:17pm

re: #282 FemNaziBitch

The only reasonable response is to punish Puppers by photographing the results of the offence and a thorough shaming on Twitter.

292 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:04:46pm

re: #289 goddamnedfrank

type this into Google ’ site:littlegreenfootballs.com “brat puppy” ‘.

DAMN YOU ARE GOOD!

293 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:05:14pm

re: #291 BigPapa

The only reasonable response to to punish Puppers by photographing the results of the offence and a thorough shaming on Twitter.

did LGF and facebook —I think that is enough for a first infraction.

294 CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2014 1:07:15pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

In addition to what gdf recommended, if you’re looking for comments that you made you can do it using the LGF search.

Here are the results from July 1 through today in “Comments for articles” (there were no results for “Comments in Pages”).

295 ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2014 1:07:36pm

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Don’t remember when I’ve seen a drunken bubba brawl discussed with such detail and passion.

Well, it is equally rare that said drunken bubba participants came this><close to being the second family of ‘merica. That adds a little extra attention.

It’s the whole Beverly Hillbillys comedy come to life.

296 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 1:10:38pm

re: #295 ObserverArt

Well, it is equally rare that said drunken bubba participants came this><close to being the second family of ‘merica. That adds a little extra attention.

It’s the whole Beverly Hillbillys comedy come to life.

Fortunately, they’re just going to be a humorous footnote in some future PoliSci thesis.

297 theEbolafishlives  Oct 25, 2014 1:12:45pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk on this beautiful, mild, relaxing day?

298 ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2014 1:14:54pm

re: #291 BigPapa

The only reasonable response is to punish Puppers by photographing the results of the offence and a thorough shaming on Twitter.

From what I can tell, only the cat’s will know.

Dogs seem to be oblivious to the ‘net, where cats seem to be right there checking it all out.

So, if you see cats laughing…

299 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:15:10pm

re: #294 CuriousLurker

In addition to what gdf recommended, if you’re looking for comments that you made you can do it using the LGF search.

Here are the results from July 1 through today in “Comments for articles” (there were no results for “Comments in Pages”).

Can you go back to when we first got Brat Puppy? 3 years ago. I couldn’t get any more results. There have to be more than 22.

300 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 1:15:52pm

re: #295 ObserverArt

Well, it is equally rare that said drunken bubba participants came this><close to being the second family of ‘merica. That adds a little extra attention.

It’s the whole Beverly Hillbillys comedy come to life.

Another vindication of John McCain’s choice of Palin for a running mate. It’s no wonder that his sage observations are a staple of the Sunday morning politics shows.

301 goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2014 1:16:37pm

re: #294 CuriousLurker

In addition to what gdf recommended, if you’re looking for comments that you made you can do it using the LGF search.

Here are the results from July 1 through today in “Comments for articles” (there were no results for “Comments in Pages”).

The problem with the internal LGF search engine is that it limits queries to a six month time span. If you attempt to execute a search over a longer period it will return with the start date reset to six months before the end date.

302 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:18:22pm

I tend to agree.

303 goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2014 1:18:29pm

re: #299 FemNaziBitch

Can you go back to when we first got Brat Puppy? 3 years ago. I couldn’t get any more results. There have to be more than 22.

You have to perform your internal LGF searches with start and end dates set to strict six month increments. The internal search engine will automatically reset the start date if you attempt to do a longer search.

304 CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2014 1:19:54pm

I wish it was that simple, but I’m guessing this probably isn’t going to do any good. Getting rid of the speech won’t stop the idea. *sigh*

Online hate speech could be curtailed under new anti-terror push
Move to target online postings could raise ire of free-speech advocates

In the wake of this week’s attacks in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que., and Ottawa, the Conservative government is looking at bringing in new laws to crack down on pro-ISIS sentiments like those posted to Quebec assailant Martin Couture-Rouleau’s Facebook page, CBC News has learned.

The move to tighten Canada’s Criminal Code is expected to come as part of a sweeping overhaul of Canada’s national security regime.

Earlier this week, RCMP Supt. Martine Fontaine told reporters investigators simply didn’t have enough evidence to arrest Couture-Rouleau, despite concerns over his possible radicalization.

“We did not have enough evidence to charge him and to detain him,” she noted.

‘Radical thoughts’ not a crime in Canada: RCMP

She said investigators followed up with his family and the imam at his local mosque, but had no reason to think or evidence to show that he would commit a crime on Canadian soil.

‘We could not arrest someone for having radical thoughts. It’s not a crime in Canada.” […]

cbc.ca

305 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:20:47pm

I don’t care. If I could still wear them, I would!!!

306 ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2014 1:21:30pm

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

I tend to agree.

[Embedded content]

Fugelsang is pretty sharp. I’d love to see him in a debate with other political humorists/comedian types. Say a little go-round with Fugelsang, Bill Maher, Dennis Miller. Three sorta different views. I can see the heat building.

307 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 1:21:36pm

Good news so far for these folks.

Quarantined fiancee and 2 friends of NYC Ebola patient are showing no signs of illness, Mayor Bill de Blasio says - @mattfleg
see original on twitter.com

308 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:21:44pm

re: #303 goddamnedfrank

You have to perform your internal LGF searches with start and end dates set to strict six month increments. The internal search engine will automatically reset the start date if you attempt to do a longer search.

ah!

Is there a website that explains all this?

309 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:23:28pm
310 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 1:23:51pm

re: #304 CuriousLurker

I wish it was that simple, but I’m guessing this probably isn’t going to do any good. Getting rid of the speech won’t stop the idea. *sigh*

“Watcha in for, man?”

“Bad sentiments.”

311 sagehen  Oct 25, 2014 1:24:12pm

re: #282 FemNaziBitch

It is very difficult to chastise a dog for getting into the garbage when the crime is discovered because the dog is walking around with a cereal box on it’s head

[Embedded image]

HE WAS FRAMED!!

Youtube Video

312 FemNaziBitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:24:24pm

bbl

313 CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2014 1:24:32pm

re: #299 FemNaziBitch

Can you go back to when we first got Brat Puppy? 3 years ago. I couldn’t get any more results. There have to be more than 22.

What gdf said—Charles put a limit on it a while back. I think it was due to huge loads of results taxing the database.

314 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 1:25:53pm

Good thing none of those Palin women were carrying any of those cute little handguns they brag about having.

315 goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2014 1:26:19pm

re: #308 FemNaziBitch

ah!

Is there a website that explains all this?

Here’s a list of Google’s search operators.

I just discovered the LGF search quirk by trial and error, noticing that it didn’t return over the range I’d set and then noticing that the start date had been reset. It seems intentional, probably to frustrate the stalkers.

316 retired cynic  Oct 25, 2014 1:33:39pm

re: #305 FemNaziBitch

Not me! Shudder!

317 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 1:35:17pm

re: #282 FemNaziBitch

It is very difficult to chastise a dog for getting into the garbage when the crime is discovered because the dog is walking around with a cereal box on it’s head

[Embedded image]

Ooh, Pumpkin Flax Granola!

318 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 1:38:49pm

re: #316 retired cynic

Not me! Shudder!

They do look painful. I used to limit my heels to 2” and I’m short—5’1”. : )

319 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 1:42:39pm

re: #282 FemNaziBitch

My very good dog Maggie (RIP) who showed up here many years ago on the farm in the middle no-fucking-where as a wee pup barking at the barn door standing firm against a rooster who refused to let her in the barn, as she fought a tissue box:

She fought the box, and the box won…

320 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 25, 2014 1:44:25pm

re: #301 goddamnedfrank

The problem with the internal LGF search engine is that it limits queries to a six month time span. If you attempt to execute a search over a longer period it will return with the start date reset to six months before the end date.

Try the Wayback Machine

archive.org

321 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 1:53:12pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

My very good dog Maggie (RIP) who showed up here many years ago on the farm in the middle no-fucking-where as a wee pup barking at the barn door standing firm against a rooster who refused to let her in the barn, as she fought a tissue box:

She fought the box, and the box won…

Maggie (formal name Magnolia) in her very good earlier years:

So many years, so many dogs gone before…I remember each and every one with more smiles than tears.

322 Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2014 1:54:16pm

So, seeing as today’s been sort of a quiet day, I decided to kick back and see a film I haven’t seen in well nigh 20 years……Peter Jackson’s Heavenly Creatures.

I think I’m gonna do a film seminar on it. I’ll use it as an example of a cult movie.

323 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 2:03:48pm

re: #315 goddamnedfrank

Here’s a list of Google’s search operators.

I just discovered the LGF search quirk by trial and error, noticing that it didn’t return over the range I’d set and then noticing that the start date had been reset. It seems intentional, probably to frustrate the stalkers.

No, actually - it’s because with more than 10 million comments, allowing a search through all of them takes forever and sometimes causes the database to lock up. (I may experiment with increasing that limit now that we have faster servers.)


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