Sunday Night Sad Song: Mark Knopfler & Emmylou Harris, ‘Red Dirt Girl’

Two red dirt girls in a red dirt town
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Just came across this gorgeous live performance of one of Emmylou Harris’s best songs, with Mark Knopfler on guitar. (The aspect ratio of the video is a bit stretched out vertically but the sound is great.)

Mark Knopfler and Emmylou Harris performing live during their tour ‘All the roadrunning’. From the DVD ‘Real Live Roadrunning’ recorded at Gibson Amphitheatre 2006.

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1 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 4:17:12pm

Another awesome track from this DVD. Much more Knopfler in this one.

Mark Knopfler & Emmylou Harris - This is Us

2 Kid A  Jan 11, 2015 4:17:41pm
3 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 4:18:34pm

re: #2 Kid A

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She looks like her grandfather though.

4 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 4:19:18pm

Nice!

Mark Knopfler is one of my favorite guitarists. Very distinctive style, I can usually identify his playing when I hear a tune. My spouse took me to a Mark Knopfler concert for my birthday one year. Even though she wasn’t a big fan before that, we both agreed it was one of the most enjoyable concerts we’ve attended.

Wish I’d seen this tour.

5 Kid A  Jan 11, 2015 4:23:02pm

#foxnewsfacts is crushing it.

6 Aye Pod  Jan 11, 2015 4:27:38pm

More Knopfler, perhaps not on his best form here… ;-)

Sultans of Shred

7 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 4:36:15pm

More Knopfler, in a bit better form ;-) playing with a guitar legend.

Mark Knopfler & Chet Atkins - Instrumental Medley

8 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 4:36:47pm
9 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 4:39:40pm

re: #4 A Cranky One

Nice!

Mark Knopfler is one of my favorite guitarists. Very distinctive style, I can usually identify his playing when I hear a tune. My spouse took me to a Mark Knopfler concert for my birthday one year. Even though she wasn’t a big fan before that, we both agreed it was one of the most enjoyable concerts we’ve attended.

Wish I’d seen this tour.

He’s my wife’s favourite songwriter/musician.

She’s dragged me to two Knopfler concerts.

(Actually I think he’s a good guitarist, perhaps not technically, but artistically)

10 compound_Idaho  Jan 11, 2015 4:43:31pm

They guy at the end of the dorm floor did not know who the Who was. His favorite singer was Emmylou Harris.

11 Lidane  Jan 11, 2015 4:47:28pm

So barring some crazy magical ending where The Flash comes to score 2 touchdowns in the next :34 seconds, it’s going to be Indy vs. New England in the AFC.

Green Bay vs. Seattle next week is going to be awesome. Can’t wait.

12 Aye Pod  Jan 11, 2015 4:47:29pm

re: #2 Kid A

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People in the Uk are actually forbidden by law to do that. (Draw a beard on the Queen that is.)

13 nines09  Jan 11, 2015 4:48:49pm

Video

Early Emmylou. My personal favorite late night far from home, behind the wheel with days to go, missing my baby wish I was with you, tune.

14 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 4:49:12pm

re: #12 Aye Pod

People in the Uk are actually forbidden by law to do that. (Draw a beard on the Queen that is.)

Is it okay to draw a beard on a picture of the Queen? ;-)

15 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 4:50:00pm

re: #9 b_sharp

Just read the news about V. Glad to hear she’s getting better.

16 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 4:50:12pm

re: #14 A Cranky One

Is it okay to draw a beard on a picture of the Queen? ;-)

I do it every day.

It’s a hobby of mine.

17 Ace-o-aces  Jan 11, 2015 4:51:06pm

re: #16 b_sharp

I do it every day.

It’s a hobby of mine.

Republican? (The British kind I mean).

18 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 4:51:57pm

re: #11 Lidane

So barring some crazy magical ending where The Flash comes to score 2 touchdowns in the next :34 seconds, it’s going to be Indy vs. New England in the AFC.

Green Bay vs. Seattle next week is going to be awesome. Can’t wait.

Hope the Colts beat NE, cannot stand em. Think we get a thriller in Seattle. Rodgers was looking shaky at the beginning but much more better by day’s end.

19 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 4:52:07pm

re: #15 #FergusonFireside

Just read the news about V. Glad to hear she’s getting better.

Thanks.

V found it interesting that we have a woman named Stanley and a man named Deb.

I have enough trouble keeping track of socks.

20 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 11, 2015 4:52:21pm

re: #11 Lidane

A pall of quiet has spread over North Texas in the last hour. Traffic has died off, there’s no yelling or cheering outside, and my Facebook feed is strangely devoid of the word “Cowboys”. I take it that they lost?

21 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 4:52:26pm

re: #17 Ace-o-aces

Republican? (The British kind I mean).

I can’t help but think that today’s right winger is yesterday’s Tory.

22 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 4:53:04pm

re: #11 Lidane

So barring some crazy magical ending where The Flash comes to score 2 touchdowns in the next :34 seconds, it’s going to be Indy vs. New England in the AFC.

Green Bay vs. Seattle next week is going to be awesome. Can’t wait.

Anybody but Dallas

23 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 4:53:14pm

re: #20 Pawn of the Oppressor

A pall of quiet has spread over North Texas in the last hour. Traffic has died off, there’s no yelling or cheering outside, and my Facebook feed is strangely devoid of the word “Cowboys”. I take it that they lost?

Very much so.

24 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 4:53:17pm

re: #17 Ace-o-aces

Republican? (The British kind I mean).

Canuck.

We have her mug on all our bills, and I’m hoping that if I artistically modify our bills they may be worth more.

25 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 4:53:56pm

re: #21 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I can’t help but think that today’s right winger is yesterday’s Tory.

A lot of Enoch Powell in them.

26 Varek Raith  Jan 11, 2015 4:54:30pm

re: #24 b_sharp

Canuck.

We have her mug on all our bills, and I’m hoping that if I artistically modify our bills they may be worth more.

Don’t think it works that way.

27 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 11, 2015 4:54:44pm

Nationwide wasn’t on Peyton’s side tonight.

28 Varek Raith  Jan 11, 2015 4:54:59pm

re: #23 #FergusonFireside

Very much so.

Nelson

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2015 4:55:04pm
30 ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2015 4:55:07pm

Heh, bored with having a cold and searching listings for something to veg out on the TV and I saw this:

Hannity Special: The Rise of Radical Islam

FOX News. Tonight at 8:00! Must miss TV…

31 Kid A  Jan 11, 2015 4:55:13pm

Cowboys fans last week: “ONE CALL DIDN’T COST THE GAME FOR DETROIT!!!”

Cowboys fan today: “THAT CALL COST US THE GAME!!!”

33 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 4:56:58pm

re: #26 Varek Raith

Don’t think it works that way.

That would explain it.

34 Lidane  Jan 11, 2015 4:56:59pm

re: #20 Pawn of the Oppressor

A pall of quiet has spread over North Texas in the last hour. Traffic has died off, there’s no yelling or cheering outside, and my Facebook feed is strangely devoid of the word “Cowboys”. I take it that they lost?

Oh yeah. They might have won, too if not for a controversial call:

nytimes.com

It’s one of those cases where the rule is iffy, but it’s still the rule. And the challenge went Green Bay’s way. I’ve got a few FB friends that are furious, but most of them took it in stride.

35 compound_Idaho  Jan 11, 2015 4:57:12pm

re: #13 nines09

Fine choice.

My personal favorite…..

Emmylou Harris - (Lost His Love) On Our Last Date

36 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 4:57:23pm

re: #19 b_sharp

Thanks.

V found it interesting that we have a woman named Stanley and a man named Deb.

I have enough trouble keeping track of socks.

I was young and needed the money, and the window to choose a nic was short.

37 Gus  Jan 11, 2015 4:58:06pm

Crikey. This Charlie Hebdo thing has brought out some serious stupid from a large cross section of society.

38 b.d.  Jan 11, 2015 4:59:18pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

Heh, bored with having a cold and searching listings for something to veg out on the TV and I saw this:

Hannity Special: The Rise of Radical Islam

FOX News. Tonight at 8:00! Must miss TV…

Rupert has a good lackey that pays attention

39 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 5:00:13pm

re: #31 Kid A

Cowboys fans last week: “ONE CALL DIDN’T COST THE GAME FOR DETROIT!!!”

Cowboys fan today: “THAT CALL COST US THE GAME!!!”

hahaha, scoreboard bitches.

40 Lidane  Jan 11, 2015 5:01:23pm

re: #37 Gus

Crikey. This Charlie Hebdo thing has brought out some serious stupid from a large cross section of society.

Oh yeah. Lots of fail all the way around:

“Deport all teh Moozlims from Murica!”

“Exterminate all Moozlims, even teh children! Wipe them from the Earth!”

“Obama should have gone to Paris! He’s a narcissist for not going!”

“Obama didn’t go to Paris because he’s a [insert Muslim smear here] jihadist ISIS supporter!”

And so on and so forth. It’s insane.

41 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 5:01:58pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

I was young and needed the money, and the window to choose a nic was short.

Yeah, that 30 seconds when you have to come up with a nic. I’ve learned to love it.

42 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 5:02:41pm

re: #41 #FergusonFireside

Yeah, that 30 seconds when you have to come up with a nic. I’ve learned to love it.

Made me cranky.

43 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 5:03:24pm

re: #42 A Cranky One

Made me cranky.

In the moment.

44 Ace-o-aces  Jan 11, 2015 5:03:26pm

re: #38 b.d.

Rupert has a good lackey that pays attention

Your not far off. It’s well known Roger Ailes sends out a regular memo detailing Fox’s talking points for the day.

45 Aye Pod  Jan 11, 2015 5:03:56pm

re: #14 A Cranky One

Is it okay to draw a beard on a picture of the Queen? ;-)

As long as it’s not on money.

46 Ace-o-aces  Jan 11, 2015 5:05:22pm

re: #24 b_sharp

Canuck.

We have her mug on all our bills, and I’m hoping that if I artistically modify our bills they may be worth more.

I keep forgetting you guys are a Monarchy up there. You wear it lightly.

47 Aye Pod  Jan 11, 2015 5:05:37pm

Fox News pundit thinks the city of Birmingham, UK is ‘totally Muslim’ city -

He said: “In Britain, it’s not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don’t go in.

𠇊nd, parts of London, there are actually Muslim religious police that actually beat and actually wound seriously anyone who doesn’t dress according to religious Muslim attire.”

theguardian.com

48 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 5:06:06pm

re: #42 A Cranky One

Made me cranky.

Obviously.

49 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 5:06:59pm

re: #46 Ace-o-aces

I keep forgetting you guys are a Monarchy up there. You wear it lightly.

As light as is possible.

50 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 5:08:23pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

Get well soon

51 b.d.  Jan 11, 2015 5:08:33pm

re: #46 Ace-o-aces

I keep forgetting you guys are a Monarchy up there. You wear it lightly.

Is it ok to but a beard on the Loon?

52 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 5:09:59pm

re: #5 Kid A

#foxnewsfacts is crushing it.

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SafeensS is a horrible racist anti-Semitic Twitter feed. I blocked it a long time ago. Uccch.

53 Gus  Jan 11, 2015 5:10:54pm

Liberals I follow Tweeting Jihadwatch and Tommy Robinson. What the fuck.

54 ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2015 5:11:36pm

re: #50 De Kolta Chair

Get well soon

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Thanks. As a matter of fact…back to vertical under the blankets. Later.

55 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:12:04pm

re: #53 Gus

Liberals I follow Tweeting Jihadwatch and Tommy Robinson. What the fuck.

Yikes.

56 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 5:14:13pm

There’s an entire layer of Hell reserved for game developers who include jumping puzzles.

57 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 5:14:56pm

LGF has served very well, as a clearing house of those we might agree with sometimes, but are rather fucked up people otherwise.

Without this site, I’d be clueless.

So thanks.

58 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 5:14:58pm

Ben Shapiro is attacking Lena Dunham because she’s, you know, EVEN MOAR WORSER THEN TEH CHARLIE HEBDO KILLERS

What a fucking tool.

59 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 5:16:02pm

#TCOT in a *NUT*shell:

60 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:16:59pm

re: #53 Gus

Bigots like Spencer depend on convincing people that they’re making a reasoned critique of Islamist ideology. The CH situation is a perfect opportunity for them to spread their poison, because it deeply offended liberals as well as right wingers (and rightly so!) to see free speech so clearly threatened.

That’s also why the jihadists commit these kinds of monstrous crimes — to drive a wedge between Muslims and Western society in general.

61 Kryptik  Jan 11, 2015 5:17:45pm

re: #53 Gus

This is the despair i have regarding gun control/gun rights issues as well as shit like this. Just…the seductive lure of reactionary fear-based crazy has lured far too many people who I knew as staunchly liberal toward the right wing to the point of being utterly unreachable on everything else. Usually running screamingly so toward the right.

This is why I have so little hope on any kind of fucking progress on this, or just in politics in general. Trying to pull people toward more sane, left-wing platforms is like rolling a stone up the hill. One mistake, and they run screaming back and are even further unreachable than before.

Meanwhile, someone on the right wing screams ‘LOOK AT THE BOOGEYMAN, OOGA BOOGA!’ and the world fucking loves them and flocks to them without needing to say another fucking word

62 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 5:18:29pm

re: #51 b.d.

Is it ok to but a beard on the Loon?

I’d like to see this mug on the British pound one day (Joyce always pointedly remained a British citizen and he and Nora Barnacle were also pointedly married in London and not Eire; they were both obviously quite pointed), and so is perfectly qualified, but then I’ve always been a dreamer:

Irish ten punt note, in circulation from 1993 through 2000

63 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 5:18:41pm
64 Kryptik  Jan 11, 2015 5:20:04pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Clearly Team Fortress 2 is a blasphemy.

65 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:20:05pm

It’s a symbiotic relationship. The “counter-jihad” assholes want the same thing the Islamists do — conflict — and they use the propaganda provided by the Islamists to foment hatred and divisiveness. Jim Hoft is a good example - he publishes every single bit of ISIS propaganda including beheading videos. He’s really helping ISIS get the word out.

66 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 5:21:19pm

re: #62 De Kolta Chair

I’d like to see this mug on the British pound one day (Joyce always pointedly remained a British citizen and he and Nora Barnacle were also pointedly married in London and not Eire — they were both obviously quite pointed), and so is perfectly qualified, but then I’ve always been a dreamer:

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Favorite banknote commemorative, Maria Montessori:

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2015 5:21:39pm

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

#TCOT in a *NUT*shell:

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She wouldn’t last five minutes in the backwoods…

68 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 5:22:42pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

She wouldn’t last five minutes in the backwoods…

She wouldn’t last 5 minutes on the streets either.

69 jaunte  Jan 11, 2015 5:22:54pm

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

“Use to it” but still not use to writing in English.

70 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:23:32pm
71 bratwurst  Jan 11, 2015 5:23:43pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro is attacking Lena Dunham because she’s, you know, EVEN MOAR WORSER THEN TEH CHARLIE HEBDO KILLERS

What a fucking tool.

Wait…you mean the people who just discovered their love of French satirical cartoons a few days ago as they beat their chests over free speech don’t like the content of Lena Dunham’s HBO show?

72 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 5:23:59pm

re: #64 Kryptik

Clearly Team Fortress 2 is a blasphemy.

73 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 5:24:09pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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They sort of need each other

74 Kryptik  Jan 11, 2015 5:25:12pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, what I’ve said about our country’s collective reaction to torture is pretty much applicable here too: We are a nation of cowards who’ve been convinced that our cowardice is bravery.

The call to brand all Muslims as a monolithic enemy we must destroy lest they destroy us first is the height of reactionary paranoia and knee-jerk xenophobia. The twitch reaction to try and wipe out an entire religion and pretend the the religion, and nothing else is THE problem isn’t bravery. It’s a response reeking of pants-wetting fear, and yet we’ve been successfully sold the bill that it is the ONLY reaction we must have, and that committing to it is TRUE Real America Bravery.

75 Gus  Jan 11, 2015 5:25:24pm
76 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 5:25:30pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Favorite banknote commemorative:

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Gorgeous. Here’s one of my favorite stamps, not because of its design but because of the genius it honors.

:

77 dog philosopher  Jan 11, 2015 5:27:24pm

im so happy to know there’s a channel now where i can watch nazis any time of the day

besides fox news, that is

78 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 5:27:34pm

re: #75 Gus

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On second thought, because it’s Haaretz I will read that before going snarky.

79 BigPapa  Jan 11, 2015 5:28:31pm

I’m working on the puter and watching Fox News Hannity Special: The Rise of Radical Islam.

Jeanine Pirro is hosting, and so far I’ve seen Michael Bolton, Oliver North, and now some other Random Old White Schmuck I’ve seen before.

__ Turn on Volume
__ Keep Listening to Stereo MC’s

80 Kid A  Jan 11, 2015 5:29:04pm
81 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 5:29:05pm
82 Belafon  Jan 11, 2015 5:29:29pm

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

Well, if they’re going to heaven, I’m glad I’ll end up in Hell.

83 Varek Raith  Jan 11, 2015 5:30:15pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

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In Eve you can asplode them.
:evilgrin:

84 Kid A  Jan 11, 2015 5:32:43pm

The best one so far at #foxnewsfacts.

85 PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2015 5:34:02pm

re: #37 Gus

Upding for using “crikey.” Very Downton Abbey.

86 calochortus  Jan 11, 2015 5:36:00pm

re: #82 Belafon

Well, if they’re going to heaven, I’m glad I’ll end up in Hell.

All our friends will be there.

87 BigPapa  Jan 11, 2015 5:36:24pm

re: #79 BigPapa

I’m working on the puter and watching Fox News Hannity Special: The Rise of Radical Islam.

Jeanine Pirro is hosting, and so far I’ve seen Michael Bolton, Oliver North, and now some other Random Old White Schmuck I’ve seen before.

__ Turn on Volume
__ Keep Listening to Stereo MC’s

Gah, now Frank Gaffney and some other ME woman who I’ve seen yell at Muslim women before. A veritable who’s who of Islamic Freakoutism.

88 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 5:38:37pm

Remember to chug if the person fancies themselves an expert of Islam and Muslims.

89 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:39:08pm
90 Kid A  Jan 11, 2015 5:39:34pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

Drink plenty of White Russians.

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2015 5:40:06pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

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shhhh… it’s also The Librarians

92 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:40:41pm

I actually lived for a while in a Hollywood bungalow a lot like The Dude’s, when I first moved to LA.

93 lawhawk  Jan 11, 2015 5:41:02pm

Is there an awards show on? /

Twitter just seems a wee bit preoccupied with what entertainment folks are wearing and saying. More than usual.

94 Gus  Jan 11, 2015 5:41:10pm
95 BigPapa  Jan 11, 2015 5:41:19pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I actually lived for a while in a Hollywood bungalow a lot like the dude’s, when I first moved to LA.

Did your rug tie the whole room together?

96 BigPapa  Jan 11, 2015 5:41:50pm

I’ll take 3/2 odds Geller is on this show.

97 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 5:42:38pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

ETA: Dang it, BigPapa beat me to the rug comment… :)

98 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 5:42:57pm

re: #87 BigPapa

Gah, now Frank Gaffney and some other ME woman who I’ve seen yell at Muslim women before. A veritable who’s who of Islamic Freakoutism.

Surely Pamela G. has a spot somewhere?

99 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:44:49pm

My rug wasn’t especially memorable, but I did have a water bed.

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2015 5:45:19pm

re: #93 lawhawk

Is there an awards show on? /

Twitter just seems a wee bit preoccupied with what entertainment folks are wearing and saying. More than usual.

Golden Globes

101 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 5:45:57pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

My rug wasn’t especially memorable, but I did have a water bed.

And an LP of Bolero?

102 lawhawk  Jan 11, 2015 5:46:41pm

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

103 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 5:46:43pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

In Eve you can asplode them.
:evilgrin:

Am i correct in assuming that was an EVE Online reference?

104 lawhawk  Jan 11, 2015 5:47:11pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Poster of Bo Derek from 10 optional.

105 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:47:34pm
106 Gus  Jan 11, 2015 5:47:56pm

re: #102 lawhawk

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Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

Free speech!

107 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:48:44pm

True story!

108 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 5:48:50pm

re: #102 lawhawk

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Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

I-20 near Anniston, for a guess. Probably replacing the Sons of Confederate Volunteers anniversary billboard.

109 BigPapa  Jan 11, 2015 5:50:22pm

re: #102 lawhawk

Oh WTF White People.

If you have to invoke a painfully irrational persecution complex about minorities, you might be a racist.

110 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 5:51:32pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

My rug was ruined when my water bed sprang a leak.

My waterbed sprank a ‘leak’ when the 5 yr old joker pulled the plug early one Saturday morning.

111 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 5:52:01pm

“Are you ready to be fucked, man? I see you rolled your way into the semis.”

112 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 5:52:08pm

Damn now I really wanna watch The Big Lebowski again (been a while), gotta dig up the DVD from my DVD library/archeological site sometime soon…

113 darthstar  Jan 11, 2015 5:52:45pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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Dude, you peed on my rug!

114 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 5:52:46pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

My waterbed sprank a ‘leak’ when the 5 yr old joker pulled the plug early one Saturday morning.

That’s why you use a liner.

115 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 5:53:07pm

re: #93 lawhawk

Is there an awards show on? /

Twitter just seems a wee bit preoccupied with what entertainment folks are wearing and saying. More than usual.

It is actually very cool. The Golden Globes.

Selma - Common & John Legend just won something. Common talking.

116 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 5:53:40pm

re: #114 b_sharp

That’s why you use a liner.

That’s why you maintain a replacement 3 yr old.

117 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 5:53:55pm

Oh and Prince spoke.

118 jaunte  Jan 11, 2015 5:55:07pm

re: #102 lawhawk

Is anyone chasing down white people? I hadn’t heard.

119 PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2015 5:55:43pm

re: #93 lawhawk

What awards? / half I will be watching Downton Abbey Season 5 Episode 2.

120 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 5:55:59pm

Seems Fargo won best Mini Series and Billy Bob Thornton won best actor for mini series - the latter surprising as I thought Woody Harrelson or Matthew McConaughey would win that for True Detective…

121 darthstar  Jan 11, 2015 5:56:03pm

Okay…who said golf wasn’t an addicting sport? My wife and I recently took it up and we’ve been out almost every weekend - and we played twice this weekend. Mostly nine hole par-3 courses - which is perfect as neither of us has a great deal of understanding of range, so starting with the short game makes sense - but we’re already improving, which makes it suck even more as we’ve begun to talk about how to sneak a round in before we go up to Tahoe to go skiing, which is why we have a fucking winter in the first place.

122 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 5:56:24pm
123 darthstar  Jan 11, 2015 5:56:28pm

re: #119 PhillyPretzel

What awards? / half I will be watching Downton Abbey Season 5 Episode 2.

Ooh, it’s Downton night…what time?

124 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 5:57:23pm

re: #120 Archangelus

Seems Fargo won best Mini Series and Billy Bob Thornton won best actor for mini series - the latter surprising as I thought Woody Harrelson or Matthew McConaughey would win that for True Detective…

Fargo was awesome. I haven’t watched True Detective.

125 lawhawk  Jan 11, 2015 5:58:18pm

re: #115 #FergusonFireside

I guess no one noticed that there was sarcasm there. The only thing on Twitter is all Globes all the time. The Mrs controls the remote, and it’s on the show.

The Common acceptance speech for Selma was quite good. One of the most thoughtful ones to deal with everything from deaths of unarmed kids to the killing of cops.

126 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 5:58:29pm

re: #124 #FergusonFireside

Fargo was awesome. I haven’t watched True Detective.

True Detective was awesome. I haven’t watched Fargo…

Well, not the whole thing anyway.

127 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 5:58:56pm
Roger Federer won his 1000th title last night in Brisbane in an exciting three setter 6-4, 6-7 (2), 6-4 against 3rd-seeded Milos Raonic, whom I feel confident in predicting will be #1 in a couple of years.
128 PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2015 5:59:30pm

whyy.org

That information is for WHYY in the greater Philly region. Use pbs.org for your area information.

129 lawhawk  Jan 11, 2015 5:59:34pm

re: #126 Archangelus

Fargo was outstanding, and BB Thorton’s performance was truly amazing.

130 Gus  Jan 11, 2015 6:01:03pm

Welp. Now it’s all about Netanyahu.

131 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 6:02:00pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Fargo was outstanding, and BB Thorton’s performance was truly amazing.

Yeah, I’ve gathered that by now from all of my friends, who loved it (seems I’m the only one in these parts who hasn’t finished watching both of the shows).

Have to confess, while I’m sure the acting is solid, I have never understood the appeal of Downton Abbey personally…

132 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:02:45pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Fargo was outstanding, and BB Thorton’s performance was truly amazing.

Indeed. Malvo was an awesome character.

133 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 6:03:06pm

re: #130 Gus

Welp. Now it’s all about Netanyahu.

Sigh, do I even wanna know? Being in Israel, you can’t have a day go by without having him here in every aspect of the news short of sports…

134 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:04:03pm

re: #126 Archangelus

True Detective was awesome. I haven’t watched Fargo…

Well, not the whole thing anyway.

haha, yours costs $, mine was free.

135 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 6:06:22pm

re: #79 BigPapa

I’m working on the puter and watching Fox News Hannity Special: The Rise of Radical Islam.

Jeanine Pirro is hosting, and so far I’ve seen Michael Bolton, Oliver North, and now some other Random Old White Schmuck I’ve seen before.

__ Turn on Volume
__ Keep Listening to Stereo MC’s

Jeanne Pirro, aka “Judge Ducklips”

136 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:08:48pm

re: #130 Gus

Welp. Now it’s all about Netanyahu.

Unfortunate. But he is a RWNJ. Pissed everyone off who wanted peace.

137 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 11, 2015 6:09:26pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

My rug wasn’t especially memorable, but I did have a water bed.

Green shag.

138 Gus  Jan 11, 2015 6:09:50pm

re: #136 #FergusonFireside

Unfortunate. But he is a RWNJ. Pissed everyone off who wanted peace.

Like Abbas wants peace?

139 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 6:10:34pm

re: #137 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Green shag.

House or van?

140 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 6:10:34pm

re: #134 #FergusonFireside

haha, yours costs $, mine was free.

Seeing how the channels showing them here are part of a package that costs me nothing, it’s rather safe to say your laugh flew by and missed by a yard… :)

141 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:10:50pm

re: #138 Gus

Like Abbas wants peace?

This conver is about Bibi. He is totally unwilling.

142 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:11:59pm

re: #140 Archangelus

Seeing how the channels showing them here are part of a package that costs me nothing, it’s rather safe to say your laugh flew by and missed by a yard… :)

After I read my comment, the laugh was sooo misplaced. It was actually my sob.

I will not pay the upcharge for the great channels. My loss.

143 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 6:12:01pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

House or van?

Red shag, in the living room in one place, green shag in another.

144 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 6:14:09pm

re: #141 #FergusonFireside

This conver is about Bibi. He is totally unwilling.

It’s not that he’s unwilling (he certainly was - reluctantly - during his first term oh so very ridiculously long ago), it’s that he’s incapable.. His appeal to his party relied on opposing it - and many other things relevant for internal Israeli society - in his previous and current election bids.

145 Varek Raith  Jan 11, 2015 6:14:21pm

re: #103 Archangelus

Am i correct in assuming that was an EVE Online reference?

Yes.

146 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:14:45pm

re: #144 Archangelus

:(

147 Kafitrar  Jan 11, 2015 6:16:06pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I actually lived for a while in a Hollywood bungalow a lot like The Dude’s, when I first moved to LA.

Does Upchuck have a picture of himself in front of it?

148 Archangelus  Jan 11, 2015 6:17:30pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Yes.

Ahh..

149 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:20:09pm

Boyhood is on demand now. Yep.

150 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 6:20:49pm

re: #75 Gus

A most enlightening commentary by Ido Amin. Thanks for the link, Gus.

151 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 6:22:32pm

re: #138 Gus

Like Abbas wants peace?

Rabin wanted peace. The way Bibi treated him was absolutely horrendous.

152 stpaulbear  Jan 11, 2015 6:28:24pm
A pastor at the Bible Baptist Church in Hasbrouck Heights, New Jersey is coming under fire after his church posted a video of him claiming to have converted a “smart aleck” youth by “punching him in the chest as hard as I could.” Pastor Eric Dammann begins by saying that he met a young man in Calgary named “Ben,” who was “a nice kid, but one of those — he was a real smart aleck. He was a bright kid, which didn’t help things — made him more dangerous.” “We were outside one day at youth group,” Dammann continues, “and he was just trying to push my buttons. He was just kind of not taking the Lord serious [sic].” “So I walked over to him and went BAM! Punched him in the chest as hard as I could. I crumpled the kid. I just crumpled him.” “Then I leaned over and said, ‘Ben, when are you going to stop playing games with God?’ I led that man to the Lord right there,” he concludes.

Video of the pastor telling the story at this link.

F*cking asshole. I hope he gets arrested for assault, but his parents probably buy into this pastor’s bullshit.

153 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:29:21pm

re: #152 stpaulbear

Video of the pastor telling the story at this link.

F*cking asshole. I hope he gets arrested for assault, but his parents probably buy into this pastor’s bullshit.

That pastor is an abuser and as dangerous as any priest molesting children.

154 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 6:30:41pm
155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2015 6:31:05pm
156 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:31:06pm

I will never profess to know the ins and outs of the situation of Israel and the Palestinians, incl Gaza.

But I’ve made a point to read a lot, both sides.

Bibi, the RWNJ, has poisoned the pot. He has made more enemies being the supposed strong man.

His legacy will not be remembered well for Israel.

It sucks that politics can ruin peace.

157 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 6:32:05pm

Much brouhaha about this movie “Boyhood” that was filmed over 15 years. It sounds like the MOST. BORING. MOVIE. EVER.

158 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:33:31pm

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

Much brouhaha about this movie “Boyhood” that was filmed over 15 years. It sounds like the MOST. BORING. MOVIE. EVER.

I’m going to view it on cable. I have a long hot crush for Ethan Hawke. I will live with him for awhile.

159 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 6:34:23pm
160 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 6:36:11pm

And if POTUS & VPOTUS went to Paris, you’d be “disgusted” by that too. Just STFU TCOT

161 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:36:27pm

So Transparent is on a pay cable channel I suppose.

Wanna see.

162 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 6:37:34pm

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

Much brouhaha about this movie “Boyhood” that was filmed over 15 years. It sounds like the MOST. BORING. MOVIE. EVER.

That’s how I felt when my wife dragged me kicking and screaming to it. Surprised the hell out me when it turned out to be actually entertaining and warped in a way I like movies to be. It isn’t Dazed & Confused, but still pretty good film making. I give it a B+.

163 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 6:38:18pm

Wow. Congratulations Mr. Tambor. He taught a drama class I attended at Wayne State University in 1969.

164 lawhawk  Jan 11, 2015 6:38:49pm

So, I went to see The Hobbit, Part III today in IMAX 3d. Visually? It was amazing. The sfx was outstanding and thought it was beautifully shot.

But I couldn’t help but think that this was a movie that was made because Peter Jackson wanted to make a trilogy when a single film was doable (or a 2-parter). It also suffers the same problem as LOTR: RoTK - it had 15 endings.

The story suffered as a result too. It’s a shame, because had Jackson been ruthless in cutting material down the length and combined the movies, it would have been a far better journey.

165 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:39:10pm

re: #162 De Kolta Chair

That’s how I felt when my wife dragged me kicking and screaming to it. Surprised the hell out me when it turned out to be very entertaining and warped in a way I like movies to be. It isn’t Dazed & Confused, but still pretty good film making.

Cool!

166 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:39:47pm

re: #156 #FergusonFireside

I will never profess to know the ins and outs of the situation of Israel and the Palestinians, incl Gaza.

But I’ve made a point to read a lot, both sides.

Bibi, the RWNJ, has poisoned the pot. He has made more enemies being the supposed strong man.

His legacy will not be remembered well for Israel.

It sucks that politics can ruin peace.

I really have no respect at all for Bibi. He really seems to be eager to poison the pot. Rabin being assassinated and I’m showing my youth here is one of my earliest memories of something involving Israel and I just remember it being a sad moment. What Frank has posted about Bibi’s role in stirring up hatred against Rabin following the Oslo Accords just disgusts me about the man. I mean it’s bad enough that he constantly panders to the American wingnut crowd who really seek to use Israel as a tool without actually giving two shits about peace. The photo of his foreign or defense minister Lieberman with Pam Geller was awfully telling as was Bibi himself giving an award to Glenn Beck.

167 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 6:41:45pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Ding Ding Ding

168 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 6:43:19pm
169 Jenner7  Jan 11, 2015 6:45:16pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Am I missing something? Did we have world leaders come to the US right after 9/11??

Why is this a big deal?

Oh, right. Black guy.

170 Varek Raith  Jan 11, 2015 6:46:54pm

Why isn’t Chucky in Paris???

171 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:47:15pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

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He really wants to play this card doesn’t he? Here’s an answer fuck wad. It’s because the president’s faith is a private matter and unlike right wing presidents like W Bush and Reagan, Obama isn’t a cynical asshole who acts like he’s this pious individual to pander to assholes who will vote for a former cocaine using alcoholic over a war hero because they buy anyone that uses their rhetoric on faith has to be a “good Christian man.”

172 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:47:59pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

Why isn’t Chucky in Paris???

He heard there was a lot of wine in France and he read that as whine so he figured he was better off contributing from his mother’s basement.

173 bratwurst  Jan 11, 2015 6:49:08pm

Note the number of favorites and retweets.

174 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:49:20pm

re: #169 Jenner7

Am I missing something? Did we have world leaders come to the US right after 9/11??

Why is this a big deal?

Oh, right. Black guy.

And honestly if Obama had attended this rally, security would have been a huge concern. The best thing Obama can do on tragedies like this is lead from afar. But I get it, Chuckles needs his right wing audience to think Obama sympathizes with terrorists. I guess the dead Bin Laden isn’t enough for them but then again nothing is.

175 Varek Raith  Jan 11, 2015 6:49:41pm

Is any RWNJ elected official in Paris?

176 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:49:54pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

Is any RWNJ elected official in Paris?

Paris, Texas maybe.

177 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 6:51:52pm

Another article came out yesterday about Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts.

Aunt Carol said: ‘How she got seduced into Epstein’s world I don’t know. I can’t get inside Virginia’s head to know what made her vulnerable to Epstein. They were really good at what they did and they were able to accomplish what they accomplished.

‘My brother thought it was all very legitimate. When Virginia told us she’d met Prince Andrew we were thrilled. Virginia gave my Mum a copy of the picture of Andrew with his arm around her - the picture which has now been seen around the world. At the time my reaction was “Wow, how neat!” I couldn’t believe Virginia had met Prince Andrew. I was ecstatic.

So she showed the photo to her Aunt at around the same time period she was hanging out with Prince Andrew. Someday CCJ is going to have to address the fact that his photo analysis was a scam, rooted in his own dishonesty and willingness to repeat the most patently ridiculous claims as truth if they align with his personal biases.

178 Lancelot Link  Jan 11, 2015 6:53:12pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

That’s odd; I seem to remember quite a bit of discussion regarding the pastor of the church Obama attended for many years.

179 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 6:53:17pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

Why isn’t Chucky in Paris???

Ve were just vondering der same thing.
180 calochortus  Jan 11, 2015 6:54:02pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Who, exactly, isn’t allowing us to talk about Obama’s faith? There’s not a lot to discuss since he (quite properly) hasn’t given us a lot of information to work with, but I seem to recall a lot of people yammering on about their perceptions of Obama’s faith.

181 Kragar  Jan 11, 2015 6:54:35pm

Remember when Bush dropped everything to show up in foreign countries days after they had terror attacks?

Me neither.

182 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 6:54:58pm

Right wing loons are having a disturbing amount of success influencing the national dialog.

183 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 6:55:16pm
184 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:55:51pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Right wing loons are having a disturbing amount of success influencing the national dialog.

Doesn’t help that the so called liberal media is eager to help them because the cowards are too chickenshit call the right out on its bullshit about this president.

185 bratwurst  Jan 11, 2015 6:56:26pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Right wing loons are having a disturbing amount of success influencing the national dialog.

The “thinking man’s conservative” chimes in:

186 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 6:56:38pm
Although the prince was quick to insist at the time that there was nothing to the photo, and that he had met Virginia only momentarily, the association with Epstein was sufficiently embarrassing that he promptly resigned as Special Trade Representative, and has struggled to define an official role for himself since, although he is still said by the Palace to be devoted to furthering Britain’s business interests.

So Prince Andrew admitted in 2011 that the photo was real, that he had met Roberts.

187 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:57:16pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

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Wow I’ve never seen him so young. I really enjoy his work. He was hilarious as the older George Bluth on Arrested Development and he had a small role in There’s Something About Mary. Plus he’s good as the father in law in the Hangover movies too. Oh and one of my childhood favorites, Heavyweights.

188 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 6:58:13pm

re: #185 bratwurst

The “thinking man’s conservative” chimes in:

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Like Frum actually gives a damn about free speech given the way the administration he worked with treated anyone who didn’t think invading IRaq was awesome. Fuck off Frum.

189 Jenner7  Jan 11, 2015 6:58:43pm

Yay, The Affair won.

I still need to watch the last episode of Fargo.

Want to see Selma ASAP an Gone Girl…to listen to Trent and Atticus.

190 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 6:58:47pm

re: #131 Archangelus

Yeah, I’ve gathered that by now from all of my friends, who loved it (seems I’m the only one in these parts who hasn’t finished watching both of the shows).

Have to confess, while I’m sure the acting is solid, I have never understood the appeal of Downton Abbey personally…

That was my attitude, too. Then I watched it. And got hooked.

It’s a very well written, well acted soap opera with a decent budget, The writers know how to keep you yearning for the next episode.

Given everyone’s so very proper British, there’s not much bombast, crying and yelling. They keep all those emotions properly stifled, you know. Stiff upper lip and all that.

It’s worth it just to watch Maggie Smith steal every scene she’s in.

191 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 6:59:11pm

Anybody notice that Chris Christie was conspicuously invisible today?

192 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 7:00:14pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Wow I’ve never seen him so young. I really enjoy his work. He was hilarious as the older George Bluth on Arrested Development and he had a small role in There’s Something About Mary. Plus he’s good as the father in law in the Hangover movies too. Oh and one of my childhood favorites, Heavyweights.

I took a drama class from him at Wayne State. That makes him older than I am.

So glad this excellent talent is finally getting the recognition he deserves.

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 11, 2015 7:00:16pm

re: #191 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Anybody notice that Chris Christie was conspicuously invisible today?

He was hidden inside a large cheese and smuggled out of Wisconsin.
//

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2015 7:02:33pm

And there are some pillows with my name on them right now.

laterz…

195 b.d.  Jan 11, 2015 7:03:44pm

re: #185 bratwurst

The “thinking man’s conservative” chimes in:

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Why did the White House not send a representative?

The United States was represented at Sunday’s rally in Paris by Ambassador to France Jane Hartley.

usatoday.com

Do they not no what an ambassador does and who they work for?

196 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 7:04:46pm

re: #191 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Anybody notice that Chris Christie was conspicuously invisible today?

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197 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 7:05:07pm

re: #195 b.d.

Why did the White House not send a representative?

usatoday.com

Do they not no what an ambassador does and who they work for?

In a word, no. And they don’t care.

198 #FergusonFireside  Jan 11, 2015 7:05:09pm

re: #189 Jenner7

Yay, The Affair won.

I still need to watch the last episode of Fargo.

Want to see Selma ASAP an Gone Girl…to listen to Trent and Atticus.

I saw Gone Girl. Loved it. Ben was ROBBED

199 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 7:05:16pm

re: #195 b.d.

Why did the White House not send a representative?

usatoday.com

Do they not no what an ambassador does and who they work for?

LOL srsly? No.

BTW who represented Canada?

200 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 11, 2015 7:05:21pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

House or van?

Any carpet I could scrounge for my VW transporter. Seems like green shag was the carpet every time I rented an apartment from 1972 well into the Eighties.

201 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 7:06:08pm

re: #195 b.d.

Why did the White House not send a representative?

usatoday.com

Do they not no what an ambassador does and who they work for?

Can’t expect Frum to actually expect to back up his bullshit. But yeah this is exactly what an ambassador is supposed to do. Ambassador Hartley being there is effectively Obama being there since as ambassador she is Obama’s ambassador to France. Basic diplomacy 101, Davey but I get it, they didn’t focus it on that in the Bush administration so you’re probably not familiar with the concept.

202 bratwurst  Jan 11, 2015 7:08:23pm

Remember, this guy is written off as a RINO by conservatives and he is spinning this nonsense.

203 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 7:09:02pm

How many dumb RWNJ’s will sign this petition for the 1% just because Kochs told them to?

204 b.d.  Jan 11, 2015 7:09:21pm
205 b.d.  Jan 11, 2015 7:09:59pm
206 ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2015 7:10:26pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

And an LP of Bolero?

I had an album with a bit of Bolero on it. Back in the 70s too.

The James Gang Rides Again. It was part of Joe Walsh’s guitar solo and echoplex mashup in the middle part.

(Of which they didn’t have the rights to Bolero, so only a few albums at first had it. It may have returned on vinyl later. I’m not sure the status of all that on a CD.)

207 Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2015 7:10:38pm

re: #202 bratwurst

Frum is a dyed in the wool partisan operative. But he’s smarter than most, and knows how to sound reasonable even while he promotes the craziest right wing memes.

208 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 11, 2015 7:10:57pm

re: #195 b.d.

Why did the White House not send a representative?

usatoday.com

Do they not no what an ambassador does and who they work for?

Why, oh why, can’t Obama practice diplomacy like like G.W. Bush?

209 jaunte  Jan 11, 2015 7:11:02pm

re: #202 bratwurst

Ambassador to France, that’s not really a significant post.

210 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 7:11:22pm

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

BTW who represented Canada?

Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney, a House of Commons member from Quebec.

211 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 7:11:32pm

re: #202 bratwurst

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Remember, this guy is written off as a RINO by conservatives and he is spinning this nonsense.

He’s a hack. He was a hack in the Bush years ,he was one when he tried to act like a “reasonable center-right” voice, and he’s still a hack now. Really what more does he fucking want from the administration. The ambassador being there sends a message. Notice how Hollende isn’t bitching about Obama or Biden not being there. He’s not a pathetic hack like Frum.

212 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 11, 2015 7:12:29pm

re: #210 De Kolta Chair

Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney, a House member from Quebec.

We didn’t even send Shadow President McCain!

213 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 7:13:26pm

re: #212 Higgs Boson’s Mate

We didn’t even send Shadow President McCain!

or Shadow Vice President Graham. or Shadow True Conservative President Savior Grandpa Munster doppleganger Cruz.

214 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2015 7:13:43pm

Now the #tcot is saying POTUS didn’t go to Paris because he was playing golf.

These people are fucking demented.

215 CleverToad  Jan 11, 2015 7:14:07pm

re: #143 b_sharp

Orange shag. Two different apartments.

216 b.d.  Jan 11, 2015 7:14:21pm

re: #212 Higgs Boson’s Mate

We didn’t even send Shadow President McCain!

President Romney would have rode his bike down the street, just like the good old days

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 11, 2015 7:14:30pm

Hmm. YouTube and my current Firefox install don’t seem to be getting along. Every attempt to play a video errors out after a few seconds and the audio never even starts.

218 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 7:15:06pm
219 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 7:16:26pm

I mean really. It’s not that complicated. Obama wasn’t there because the US president can’t go to France on a whim. France’s neighbors were able to send their heads of state because getting from uh Germany to France is a little quicker than getting from the US to France.

220 b_sharp  Jan 11, 2015 7:16:52pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

Frum is a dyed in the wool partisan operative. But he’s smarter than most, and knows how to sound reasonable even while he promotes the craziest right wing memes.

Does he have American citizenship yet?

It would be nice to know he’s no longer Canadian.

221 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 7:17:08pm

re: #212 Higgs Boson’s Mate

We didn’t even send Shadow President McCain!

222 Lancelot Link  Jan 11, 2015 7:18:24pm

re: #202 bratwurst

I remember how respectful Republicans were towards France when Frum was in the government. “Freedom fries”, anyone?

223 stpaulbear  Jan 11, 2015 7:20:46pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

The James Gang Bolero segment never returned on vinyl, but there is a pretty goodGreatest Hits CD from 2000 that reinstated the Bolero section to The Bomber. I’ve got both the vinyl and the CD.

224 HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2015 7:21:00pm

re: #222 Lancelot Link

I remember how respectful Republicans were towards France when Frum was in the government. “Freedom fries”, anyone?

“Old Europe.” Yeah nice way to treat one of our nation’s oldest allies. Really this little prick has some nerve lecturing this administration on how to deal with allies.

225 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 7:21:16pm

Bonnie Dobson is back from her 40-year sabbatical.

Bonnie Dobson & Her Boys - TAKE ME FOR A WALK IN THE MORNING DEW

226 Rightwingconspirator  Jan 11, 2015 7:22:27pm

re: #218 A Cranky One

Heh. Just saw it, Paged a review. Cartoon got it wrong IMO. Movie is as much a cautionary tale as anything.

227 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 11, 2015 7:24:18pm

re: #217 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. YouTube and my current Firefox install don’t seem to be getting along. Every attempt to play a video errors out after a few seconds and the audio never even starts.

My Firefox is version 34.0.5 (The latest), running in Win7 64bit. No problems.

228 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 7:25:53pm

re: #226 Rightwingconspirator

Just read the review. Thanks.

229 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 7:28:55pm

re: #225 Decatur Deb

Bonnie Dobson is back from her 4-year sabbatical.

Great news, thanks Deb. Bonnie’s a country blues belter from the old skool. I was just listening to her 1970 lp “Good Morning Rain” the other night.

I love a belter.

230 ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2015 7:29:36pm

re: #223 stpaulbear

The James Gang Bolero segment never returned on vinyl, but there is a pretty goodGreatest Hits CD from 2000 that reinstated the Bolero section to The Bomber. I’ve got both the vinyl and the CD.

Hey, thanks for the info. I had the vinyl too, but it got all messed up back in the art school party days, and then it came up missing.

I saw The James Gang in ‘72 at Ashland (Ohio) College. Joe did the whole The Bomber song as original with Bolero…adding more echoplex time as he stood behind his amps and puffed on a ciggie.

231 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 7:32:29pm

re: #229 De Kolta Chair

Great news, thanks Deb. Bonnie’s a country blues belter from the old skool. I was just listening to her 1970 lp “Good Morning Rain” the other night.

I love a belter.

Then you love Barbara Dane.

Barbara Dane - I Don´t Want Your Millions Mister

232 ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2015 7:32:30pm

re: #230 ObserverArt

Hey, thanks for the info. I had the vinyl too, but it got all messed up back in the art school party days, and then it came up missing.

I saw The James Gang in ‘72 at Ashland (Ohio) College. Joe did the whole The Bomber song as original with Bolero…adding more echoplex time as he stood behind his amps and puffed on a ciggie.

Edit…it was 1971. I think Joe was out of the Gang by ‘72.

233 unproven innocence  Jan 11, 2015 7:34:36pm

re: #195 b.d.

Why did the White House not send a representative?

usatoday.com

Do they not no what an ambassador does and who they work for?

Know they don’t, apparently. :)

234 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 7:39:45pm

re: #231 Decatur Deb

Then you love Barbara Dane.

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Ms. Dane’s a friend of a friend of mine, and we had a wee bit of fun in Frisco once upon a time or two in the ’80s. She’s quite the character and a very lovely person.
Youtube Video

235 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 7:45:44pm

re: #234 De Kolta Chair

Ms. Dane’s a friend of a friend of mine, and we had a wee bit of fun in Frisco once upon a time or two in the ’80s. She’s quite the character and a very lovely person.
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She threw a benefit in Louisville around 1967, to get a friend of mine out of jail. She did the best Dink’s Song ever.

236 b.d.  Jan 11, 2015 7:49:38pm

re: #233 unproven innocence

usatoday.com

Do they not no what an ambassador does and who they work for?

Know they don’t, apparently. :)

D’oh! Thank God I don’t have to use my brain until tomorrow.

237 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 8:04:37pm

re: #235 Decatur Deb

She threw a benefit in Louisville around 1967, to get a friend of mine out of jail. She did the best Dink’s Song ever.

Cool. I love that song. I’ve always liked Dave Van Ronk’s version. Saw him once at a gallery opening and was too shy to introduce myself, unlike my fiddling friend Barbara, who’s met everybody cuz she doesn’t have a shy bone in her body.

238 Jenner7  Jan 11, 2015 8:22:01pm
239 jaunte  Jan 11, 2015 8:26:03pm

re: #238 Jenner7

Please enjoy your reheated Freedom Fries.

240 Kryptik  Jan 11, 2015 8:36:27pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Right wing loons are having a disturbing amount of success influencing the national dialog.

At this point, they essentially own the country and its discourse in its entirety.

I honest to god fear for actual lynchings of Muslims at this point.

241 freetoken  Jan 11, 2015 8:38:07pm

re: #240 Kryptik

Appealing to the more bigoted nature of our character is an easier sell than trying to get people to be introspective and empathetic to others.

242 teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2015 8:39:45pm

Move along. Nothing to see here.

244 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 8:42:59pm

re: #243 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

First link is broken :(

245 freetoken  Jan 11, 2015 8:44:51pm

Also, there is a vacuum of unified voices among the more “progressive” portions of our society. It’s not that they aren’t talking, but rather that there are a thousand different and at times quite disparate conversations underway concurrently.

For instance, group A might be warning about the low wage mindset of Walmart.

Group B only talks about climate change.

Group C are the “social justice” warriors, who might conference with groups A and B on occasion, but then go their merry way.

Group D are the gay rights activists - who on the whole will work with just about anyone but the reverse is not so.

And so on…

Meanwhile, all the bigots and xenophobes have to do is pull the “Jesus” card out, or the “MUSLIM!” card out, and the wingnuts rally together.

Yes, what I am saying, and this is anecdotal I admit, is that there is more coherence among the hate right, an orthodoxy if you will.

Another problem I think we’re looking at is a sort of post-modern deconstruction of the FDR Democratic Party. What FDR and TR were able to glue together is now more like a brownian motion dominated mass of flies, and small groups easily go off. E.g., the “Reagan Democrats”, those who RWR were able to peel off by wrapping himself in Americana (which btw FDR could do also.)

246 Ace-o-aces  Jan 11, 2015 8:45:37pm
247 Ace-o-aces  Jan 11, 2015 8:47:49pm
248 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 8:48:27pm

re: #244 A Cranky One

Fixited. Try this gotnwes.wheatdogg.com

249 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 8:50:24pm

Incidentally, the second article lampoons this latest scoop from CCJ:

250 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 8:51:41pm

re: #248 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Better. I felt deprived of a chuckle :)

251 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 8:55:39pm

If you spend some time trying to dig out an old Yevtushenko poem, nice Russian ladies appear and offer you dates.

The Internet has our best interests at heart.

252 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 8:57:33pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

If you spend some time trying to dig out an old Yevtushenko poem, nice Russian ladies appear and offer you dates.

The Internet has our best interests at heart.

Strangely, though, when you going looking for hot Russian girls to date, Yevtushenko poems do not appear. Apparently, the Internet is not symmetric in that way.

253 teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2015 9:01:31pm

Attention Alouette!

254 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 11, 2015 9:01:46pm

Didn’t see it in the theater, unfortunately. But thanks to a free RedBox code, I just finished Dawn of The Planet of The Apes. Great movie, and dare I say, better than Rise. Apparently part 3 is slated for next year. Hoping it’s taken into the direction I’m wanting. Not all war and explosions but more about Ceasar and the humans and apes who don’t want to kill each other.

255 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 9:06:09pm
Was Spielberg’s 1941 really as bad as I and pretty much everyone else remembers it being?
256 Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2015 9:06:29pm

re: #252 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Strangely, though, when you going looking for hot Russian girls to date, Yevtushenko poems do not appear. Apparently, the Internet is not symmetric in that way.

Bummer. Another avenue of research closed.

257 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 9:09:14pm

re: #249 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Incidentally, the second article lampoons this latest scoop from CCJ:

I’m still laughing over the “BREAKING: Ex-con does time, has nerve to work” story.

258 BeenHereAwhile  Jan 11, 2015 9:19:10pm

re: #13 nines09

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Early Emmylou. My personal favorite late night far from home, behind the wheel with days to go, missing my baby wish I was with you, tune.

Gram Parsons & Emmylou great cover of “Love Hurts.”

Emmylou Harris & Gram Parsons - Love Hurts

259 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 9:23:18pm
Rebuffed by Sheldon Adelson, Chris Christie sucks up to another sugar daddy
260 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 9:30:07pm

re: #258 BeenHereAwhile

Gram Parsons & Emmylou great cover of “Love Hurts.”

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The bootleg “Gram Parsons The Alternate Takes (1973)” — outtakes from the albums G.P. & Grievous Angel — is well worth sussing out.

Perhaps it’s best I don’t leave a link. Anyway it’s out there and it’s great stuff.

261 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 9:34:19pm
262 BeenHereAwhile  Jan 11, 2015 9:50:22pm

re: #260 De Kolta Chair

The bootleg “Gram Parsons The Alternate Takes (1973)” — outtakes from the albums G.P. & Grievous Angel — is well worth sussing out.

Perhaps it’s best I don’t leave a link. Anyway it’s out there and it’s great stuff.

Gram taught me how to play the guitar.

Anything with Gram, and Emmylou is good in my book.

263 Kragar  Jan 11, 2015 9:51:17pm

re: #261 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Britain’s Prince Andrew has admitted to the mainstream media that he once met former teenage “masseuse” Virginia Roberts (both pictured left), but we at GotNwes know this can’t be true.

Based on our cat-loving photography expert’s analysis of this 2001 photo, GotNwes can positively declare the photo a fake. Therefore, Andrew is mistaken in saying he posed for the photo.

It takes a special kind of stupid to make this kind of statement

264 teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2015 9:51:17pm

I finally clicked the spoiler button downstairs.

I’m angry and depressed to see that. And it’s a goddamned possibility that there are millions of United States citizens that may share such vile sentiments.

The right wing in the United States is beyond ugly, it’s sickening.

265 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 9:53:30pm
Chucky Johnson’s hero Calvin Coolidge besieged by government moochers
266 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 9:53:58pm

re: #263 Kragar

It takes a special kind of stupid to make this kind of statement

In fact, UpChuck hasn’t said a word about it. I’m just extrapolating from known data.

267 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 11, 2015 9:54:18pm

re: #94 Gus

To say that it is entirely about free speech would be to miss the point indeed. Esp. seeing how France bans Holocaust denial. I would say it is about that hardly definable intersection between free speech and religious freedom (which necessarily includes the right to offend the religious) magnified by abhorrence of terrorism as a political-religious tool.

268 Varek Raith  Jan 11, 2015 9:56:22pm

Freezing rain.
/Sweet!

269 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 9:57:55pm

If I’d known you were gonna downtick me, A Cranky One, I’d have drawn a beard on Silent Cal. ;-)

270 psddluva4evah  Jan 11, 2015 9:58:25pm

Just getting home from a long night, but I saw Selma tonight. The theatre I was in was all people of color (although I do believe I saw one white young man with his girlfriend, who was Black). There was a lot of elderly men and women, who seemed of the correct age to have been living under Jim Crow South. Not as many young people as I would have wanted to see (I dragged my nephew to see it). compare that to when I saw Taken, the crowd was predom white, young and middle aged, with a sprinkling of people of color, most of which were young like my nephew.

So back to the film. From the shock of the opening sequence (even knowing what was gonna happen), to the scenes on the actual Edmund Pettis bridge (god bless John Lewis) and the final scenes in Montgomery, the entire audience was riveted. Powerful doesn’t even begin to describe it. I saw it over 5 hours ago and the movie is still on my mind.

I know we’ve talked a bit about the LBJ stuff here, and I don’t know if the audience I was with even knew about the controversy, but from the overheard conversations, the last thing on anyone’s mind was the portrayal of LBJ. At the end the majority of the people just stayed in their seats and there was essentially silence until people started leaving their seats.

I don’t have time for a full fledged review, but I can say if you are a movie goers like myself or if you decide you’d only go see a film that was worth the price of admission, then RUN DON’T WALK to see Selma. it def more than a “Black” story or a “Southern” story, it’s truly an American story, and I’d like to think it def deserves as much of a diverse audience as it can get.

Good night.

271 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 9:59:23pm

Based on his residence in West Hollywood, UpChuck can say he knows George Clooney is gay.

He live-tweeting the Golden Globes, dog help us.

272 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 10:03:35pm

re: #269 De Kolta Chair

Sorry, fat fingers and small touchscreen. Not intentional and fixed!

273 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 10:06:10pm

re: #255 De Kolta Chair

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I love “1941”. It’s really a blast. One of my favorite lines: “The dummie’s right” “Rotsa Ruck”

I also loved the way Wendy Jo Sperber goes after Treat Wiliams. He slices through a crowd and she bulldozes a path.
The ferris wheel rolling down the pier, the action in the dance hall, the house on the hill.
Great stuff
EDIT - forgot about Tim Matheson and Nancy Allen in the B-17

274 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 10:08:00pm

re: #269 De Kolta Chair

So Cal is safe and an upding for the sense of humor,

275 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 10:10:39pm

I’m quite surprised that this hasn’t been tweeted yet

276 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 10:12:47pm

re: #272 A Cranky One

Sorry, fat fingers and small touchscreen. Not intentional and fixed!

{I;=[)>

277 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 10:14:01pm

re: #275 De Kolta Chair

I’m quite surprised that this hasn’t been tweeted yet

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Needs to be re-tweeted

278 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 10:15:09pm

re: #275 De Kolta Chair

I’m quite surprised that this hasn’t been tweeted yet

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The shame of it is that somebody will try to answer the question and he’ll ignore it.

279 teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2015 10:15:36pm
280 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 10:24:38pm

re: #278 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The shame of it is that somebody will try to answer the question and he’ll ignore it.

It’s a parody account.

281 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 10:27:12pm

Cartoon by Arnie Levin. Night all!

282 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 10:27:37pm

re: #280 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It’s a parody account.

Oh yeah I see the Chunk

283 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 10:28:19pm

re: #280 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It’s a parody account.

Fake but accurate!

Good catch, Poe’s law strikes again.

284 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 10:28:49pm

Actress Anita Ekberg dies at age 83 bbc.com

285 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 10:32:05pm

re: #284 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Actress Anita Ekberg dies at age 83 bbc.com

I think he means fixture, but maybe it’s a Brit thing. Or a Brita thing. Either way, R.I.P. Anita Ekberg, without whom my adolescent mind would have been much more mundane.

286 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 10:36:13pm

Here’s CCJ’s mentor friend and advisor Dershowitz in action.

bbc.com

The lawyers later filed a lawsuit against Mr Dershowitz, claiming comments he made during media interviews amounted to defamation against them.

Speaking to Reuters news agency about his legal action, Mr Dershowitz said: “We file a sworn declaration categorically denying the charges and proving by records and other travel documents that I could not have been in the places that she says that she had sex with me.

“We file a motion to intervene in the court and then we file a defamation action against the two lawyers and the woman. And then we file disbarment proceedings against the two lawyers.”

Brings new meaning to the phrase, “rape, burn and pillage.”

287 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 10:39:12pm

re: #286 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Simply imagining Alan Dershowitz having sex is just ewww

288 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 10:40:51pm

Dershowitz to me epitomizes the worst kind of sleaze in a lawyer.

289 De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2015 10:45:57pm

re: #287 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Simply imagining Alan Dershowitz having sex is just ewww

290 whitebeach  Jan 11, 2015 10:47:45pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Thank you. Jesus fucking Christ, that’s beautiful.

291 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 10:48:52pm

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I’d have to disagree with you. For example his rationale for taking up the defense of Klaus von Bulow was that the rich family hired private investigators to hand cherry-picked evidence to the prosecution. He also made the case that taking high profile cases funded his pursuit of low profile cases involving poor defendants. Admittedly this is lifted from the movie “Reversal of Fortune” but I never heard anybody say those reasons weren’t true. Just because a lawyer takes the unpopular side doesn’t make him a sleaze. John Adams famously defended the English soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre (I originally typed Boston Market!) and I think he remains well-respected.

292 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 10:51:36pm

re: #291 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’d have to disagree with you. For example his rationale for taking up the defense of Klaus von Bulow was that the rich family hired private investigators to hand cherry-picked evidence to the prosecution. He also made the case that taking high profile cases funded his pursuit of low profile cases involving poor defendants. Admittedly this is lifted from the movie “Reversal of Fortune” but I never heard anybody say those reasons weren’t true. Just because a lawyer takes the unpopular side doesn’t make him a sleaze. John Adams famously defended the English soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre (I originally typed Boston Market!) and I think he remains well-respected.

I was referring to Dershowitz’s going after the woman and the lawyers, not his association with Epstein. It’s apparently not enough for Dershowitz to deny the allegations; he also has to destroy the reputations of Roberts and her lawyers.

293 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 11, 2015 10:52:40pm

re: #286 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Interestingly enough, some blogger at NRO went through Dershowitz’s response and found that he mischaracterized the accuser’s claims in order to debunk them. E.g. she writes about private planes, and he responds with info about Epstein’s plane. She writes about New Mexico and he writes about a particular house in NM, and so on.

294 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 10:53:48pm

Regarding Dershowitz’s participation in the OJ defense team, everybody deserves a defense. The prosecution MUST prove their case, even if everybody knows the bastard did it. When people just start assuming the prosecution is always right, botched cases can slip through the cracks.

295 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 10:54:26pm

re: #292 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Aren’t they trying to destroy HIS reputation? This stuff works both ways.

296 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 11, 2015 10:56:52pm

re: #294 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Nothing wrong with defending anyone. Though IIRC he continued to defend him outside the court, in a book. That’s something else. A lawyer’s obligations do not extend that far.

297 teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2015 10:58:24pm

Believe it or nuts! I just made my first Amazon purchase as an LGF associate! I love you gals and guys!

What did I buy, you ask? A CD of Frank Zappa’s album “Thingfish.”

298 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 10:58:59pm

re: #295 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Aren’t they trying to destroy HIS reputaiton? This stuff works both ways.

Roberts is accusing him of statutory rape, which is a crime. The fact that his reputation would be hurt is a byproduct, not the aim of the lawsuit. He, on the other hand, wishes to destroy Roberts and her lawyers specifically in retaliation for those allegations. He could just file slander and/or libel charges, but in his statement to Reuters it’s clear he’s out for revenge.

299 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:00:13pm

re: #296 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Nothing wrong with defending anyone. Though IIRC he continued to defend him outside the court, in a book. That’s something else. A lawyer’s obligations do not extend that far.

I’m unfamiliar with the book but I would assume it contains the case he helped make. I don’t think that really is the same as continuing to defend OJ. He was done defending OJ.

300 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 11:00:50pm

re: #293 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Interestingly enough, some blogger at NRO went through Dershowitz’s response and found that he mischaracterized the accuser’s claims in order to debunk them. E.g. she writes about private planes, and he responds with info about Epstein’s plane. She writes about New Mexico and he writes about a particular house in NM, and so on.

Yeah. Very specific denials lead one to suspect there are other instances he is not denying. The counselor “doth protest too much, methinks.”

301 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 11:01:29pm

The Case for Torture Warrants, Aland Dershowitz.

The fucking ticking time bomb scenario, seriously.

The guy has dry humped his fame from the Von Bulow case for over thirty years, but deep down he’s a rotten little scumbag.

302 teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2015 11:02:16pm
303 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:03:34pm

re: #298 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Offhand, I don’t know the statute of limitations for statutory rape, The only thing at issue is his reputation.

304 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 11, 2015 11:04:33pm

re: #303 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Offhand, I don’t know the statute of limitations for statutory rape, The only thing at issue is his reputation.

Possibly having sex with a minor is not an issue, you mean?

305 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:09:27pm

re: #301 goddamnedfrank

Did you read it? I just did, and it isn’t really a defense of torture. It is an acknowledgement that torture may be inevitable and how to mitigate it.

306 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:09:56pm

re: #304 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Possibly having sex with a minor is not an issue, you mean?

It will never be proven. EDIT And that’s the point with the people who are pushing the case. They don’t give two shits about the accuser. All that matter is getting Alan Dershowitz

307 dog philosopher  Jan 11, 2015 11:11:10pm

fuck c++14 im moving on to x++2124

308 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:12:55pm

From The Case for Torture Warrants:
“It is a great tragedy that we have to be discussing the horrors of torture. Some even believe that any discussion of this issue is beyond the pale of acceptable discourse in 21st century America. But it is far better to discuss in advance the kinds of tragic choices we may encounter if we ever confront an actual ticking bomb terrorist case, than to wait until the case arises and let somebody make the decision in the heat of the moment.”

309 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 11:18:58pm

re: #305 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Did you read it? I just did, and it isn’t really a defense of torture. It is an acknowledgement that torture may be inevitable and how to mitigate it.

It’s not inevitable. It’s always something people make an active choice to do because they have no principles, honor or integrity.

There is no realistic ticking time bomb scenario. It’s a fantasy action adventure trope, predicated on a convoluted set of insanely unrealistic circumstances. In the real world there is no perfect knowledge of the terrorist plot in progress, and no cut scenes cluing the audience in to their guilt so that everyone can cheer and know the good guys are doing the right thing.

Shows like 24 were designed to deaden both the conscience and intelligence of the American public, to move us towards accepting a blatant betrayal of our national heritage. We’d been hit and were feeling raw and vulnerable, and the Bush Administration and their apologists use the resulting fear to justify an official policy based on sheer atavism, in spite of how counter productive and frankly damaging to our national security it actually was.

310 A Cranky One  Jan 11, 2015 11:22:51pm

re: #308 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The implicit assumption is that torture works and can provide useful information in this scenario. Evidence suggests that’s not the case.

311 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 11:24:10pm

re: #308 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

From The Case for Torture Warrants:
“It is a great tragedy that we have to be discussing the horrors of torture. Some even believe that any discussion of this issue is beyond the pale of acceptable discourse in 21st century America. But it is far better to discuss in advance the kinds of tragic choices we may encounter if we ever confront an actual ticking bomb terrorist case, than to wait until the case arises and let somebody make the decision in the heat of the moment.”

It’s better if we don’t humor childish what if scenarios based on Hollywood wet dreams, panic based on national rage and feelings of inadequacy.

312 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:24:34pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

It is inevitable in the sense that (as he stated in the paper, if you read it), most law enforcement officials he has spoken to would approve the use of torture in a “ticking time bomb” scenario. That means that torture will happen, thus my use of the word inevitable. Dershowitz argues that if officials realize that they have to get a warrant, they will have to make a case that they have enough to justify that a ticking time bomb case actually exists, and that supervision will result in the moderation of torture.
You can debate the arguments about whether the use of warrants would have an inhibiting effect, but I do not think that puts him on the same team as John Yoo.

313 teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2015 11:25:58pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

Shows like 24

…aired during the Bush Administration in the early aughts on the Fox Network.

314 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:28:58pm

re: #310 A Cranky One

Actually evidence suggests that once in a while, torture actually worked. As he actually says in his paper (which I seem to be the only one who read the damn thing because you guys can’t quote it), “The Israeli experience suggested that information obtained as a result of torture should never be believed, unless it can be independently confirmed, but such information can sometimes be self-proving, as when the subject leads law enforcement to the actual location of the bomb.”
Dershowitz argues that requiring warrants would reduce the instances of torture, like requiring warrants reduced the number of wiretaps.

315 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:29:38pm

re: #311 goddamnedfrank

It’s better if we don’t humor childish what if scenarios based on Hollywood wet dreams, panic based on national rage and feelings of inadequacy.

Read the fucking thing. That’s exactly the thing he is trying to avoid.

316 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:31:36pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

Whether you like it or not, ticking time bombs exist. The chance of having the suspect who lit the fuse or parked the truck is so remote that it is easy to write off.

317 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 11:32:32pm

re: #312 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It is inevitable in the sense that (as he stated in the paper, if you read it), most law enforcement officials he has spoken to would approve the use of torture in a “ticking time bomb” scenario. That means that torture will happen, thus my use of the word inevitable. Dershowitz argues that if officials realize that they have to get a warrant, they will have to make a case that they have enough to justify that a ticking time bomb case actually exists, and that supervision will result in the moderation of torture.
You can debate the arguments about whether the use of warrants would have an inhibiting effect, but I do not think that puts him on the same team as John Yoo.

There is no fucking ticking time bomb scenario. And yes, he was attempting to provide some deodorizing cover for people like Yoo. He was saying, “here’s how we do torture right.” I’m saying there is no right way to do torture. The time bomb scenario is the thin edge of an incredibly horrible, intellectually rotten and cancerous wedge. The entire line of reasoning is both morally and logically bankrupt, it’s designed to get people to think about torture in a context where it is pre-defined as legitimate. That context however is antithetical to actual reality.

That’s what I mean by fantasy, that shit never actually happens outside of fictional settings.

318 goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2015 11:33:49pm

re: #315 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Read the fucking thing. That’s exactly the thing he is trying to avoid.

You know what. I’m going to go away for awhile before I say something I’ll probably regret.

319 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:39:43pm

re: #317 goddamnedfrank

You are simply wrong about that. Timothy McVeigh lit a fuse that ran about 10 minutes or so. That is a ticking time bomb. The fact that there is little chance he would have been caught and interrogated in that time doesn’t make it impossible.
The example Dershowitz makes is the Israeli Supreme court’s ban on torture, which puts security officials in an impossible dilemma. Forcing an official to do it under the table means that the torture will be worse, and may never be heard about. Requiring warrants at least makes is public, and even gives the suspect some measure of legal protection.
What we have is the utopic idea of “all torture is bad and it must never be permitted” clashing with the real-life idea that somebody is inevitably going to abuse a suspect, and what are we going to do about it?”

320 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 11, 2015 11:40:35pm

I can’t help but notice that you guys can’t quote from the paper to support the points you’re making about Dershowitz.

321 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 12, 2015 12:44:18am

I, for one, never argued that torture never works or that there aren’t scenarios where torture isn’t the least evil. I would point out that even in such cases it remains a crime and should be prosecuted, and in no case should it be legalized.

322 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 1:34:03am

re: #320 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I can’t help but notice that you guys can’t quote from the paper to support the points you’re making about Dershowitz.

Excuse me, but I was busy meeting with a student. I have read the paper, since you are so keen on us doing so. I suppose one’s reaction to Dershowitz’ arguments for “torture warrants” depends on one’s acceptance of torture as a legitimate means of obtaining information. Clearly, Dershowitz has no qualms about torture being acceptable, as long as there are clear legal avenues for its use.

Moreover the rights of the suspect would be better protected with a warrant requirement. He would be granted immunity, told that he was now compelled to testify, threatened with imprisonment if he refuses to do so and given the option of providing the requested information. Only if he refused to do what he was legally compelled to do - - provide necessary information which could not incriminate him because of the immunity - - would he be threatened with torture. Knowing that such a threat was authorized by the law, he might well provide the information. If he still refused to, he would be subjected to judicially monitored physical measures designed to cause excruciating pain without leaving any lasting damage. A sterilized needle underneath the nail might be one such approved method. This may sound brutal, but it does not compare in brutality with the prospect of thousands of preventable deaths at the hands of fellow terrorists.

There are many hypotheticals in just this one extract, enough to make the entire argument pretty weak.

1. We have someone in custody who may have information about a terroristic act.
2. He refuses to cooperate.
3. There are no other possible sources of information.
4. We get a “torture warrant.”
5. He still refuses.
6. We stick needles under his fingernails.
7. He sings like a canary.
8. Problem solved!

He refers to Israeli cases in which some useful information was obtained by mild torture techniques. Then the Israeli courts declared such techniques illegal. Yet, in the same paper, using the aforesaid hypotheticals, he says basically that the Israeli Supreme Court was wrong in its decision, because torture sometimes is justified.

I don’t find his argument convincing in the least. I also find his suggestion that torture should be legally condoned abhorrent.

323 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 12, 2015 1:40:44am

re: #321 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I, for one, never argued that torture never works or that there aren’t scenarios where torture isn’t the least evil. I would point out that even in such cases it remains a crime and should be prosecuted, and in no case should it be legalized.

But since we’re dealing with hypotheticals, here’s one I would offer to Dersh and his ilk: let there be warrants as you wish, but any such warrant will be accompanied by sort of a contract: the torturer willingly goes to prison for the minimum of 5 years (or more, depending), without a trial (to exclude any “necessity” defenses) or any possibility of parole or pardon. This guarantees that torture is not psychologically normalized or that people are not tortured “just because”. If the case is so grave that one allegedly must torture, it is also so grave that the same person must be willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of the greater good.

324 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 12, 2015 1:49:15am

Any argument based on “it will be done anyway, so let’s do it legally without regard to whether it’s evil or not” is BS. Apply that to rape. “Well, people will rape anyway, so let’s make the process controlled. The victims will be chosen through a lottery, there won’t be physical violence or risk of STDs”, and so on and so forth. That’s basically Dershowitzian thinking.

325 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 1:52:34am

re: #324 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Any argument based on “it will be done anyway, so let’s do it legally without regard to whether evil or not” is BS. Apply that to rape. “Well, people will rape anyway, so let’s make the process controlled. The victims will be chosen through a lottery, there won’t be physical violence or risk of STDs”, and so on and so forth. That’s basically Dershowitzian thinking.

Not unlike the plotline of The Handmaid’s Tale.

326 freetoken  Jan 12, 2015 2:15:00am

Jo Chikage, I think her name is, or something similar. Popular pop singer from the 60’s:

MP3 Audio

327 freetoken  Jan 12, 2015 2:31:48am
328 goddamnedfrank  Jan 12, 2015 2:32:33am

If the person is innocent, or doesn’t have the information you think they do, how exactly would you know when to stop? Similarly, if they lie, how would you know, they can easily send you on a wild goose chase and waste precious resources, and will say anything to make the torture stop.

The exigent circumstances argument is simply crap with regards to this. People rarely say what valuable information was gained in the few circumstances they assert it’s worked, and the amount of bad information gained and assimilated is similarly never discussed by the proponents of torture. Reportedly the only actionable information the US was able to get via torture under Bush had already been told in normal non-torture interrogation sessions. And predictably the the torture program’s cheerleaders lied their asses off about the actual origin of these results:

Those responsible for the program have tried to portray this as a CIA-versus-FBI matter, or as a debate between those who will do whatever it takes to defend the homeland versus those with softer hearts. The reality is that these techniques endangered our homeland. They didn’t work. We lost valuable time - years of time. Intelligence that could have been gained wasn’t. And plots that could have been stopped weren’t.

There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasn’t, or couldn’t have been, gained from regular tactics. In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on more than a few occasions — all of which are still classified. The short sightedness behind the use of these techniques ignored the unreliability of the methods, the nature of the threat, the mentality and modus operandi of the terrorists, and due process.

Defenders of these techniques have claimed that they got Abu Zubaydah to give up information leading to the capture of Ramzi bin al-Shibh, a top aide to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and Mr. Padilla. This is false. The information that led to Mr. Shibh’s capture came primarily from a different terrorist operative who was interviewed using traditional methods. As for Mr. Padilla, the dates just don’t add up: the harsh techniques were approved in the memo of August 2002, Mr. Padilla had been arrested that May.

-FBI Supervisory Special Agent and Interrogator in 2009.

Last month Soufan wrote this:

One of the hardest things we struggled to make sense of, back then, was why US officials were authorizing harsh techniques when our interrogations were working and their harsh techniques weren’t. The answer, as the long-awaited Senate Intelligence Committee report now makes clear, is that the architects of the program were taking credit for our success, from the unmasking of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as the mastermind of 9/11 to the uncovering of the “dirty bomber” Jose Padilla. The claims made by government officials for years about the efficacy of “enhanced interrogation”, in secret memos and in public, are false. “Enhanced interrogation” doesn’t work.

It’s maddening enough to learn that while we were working around the clock and often under dangerous circumstances, from Yemen to Afghanistan, the “enhanced” interrogators took the weeks off from interrogating the only high-value detainee in American custody. And the entire Senate report makes for painful reading. But not just because of the new details on the futility of those techniques and the orchestrated campaign of deception and lies told about their efficiency. The hardest part about the report is what it doesn’t answer: How do we prevent this from happening again?

What amuses me most about their continued defense of what they did is that they’re still wrong. Within minutes of the report’s release, the Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by three former CIA directors, and they still called Abu Zubaydah a senior al-Qaida operative. This error is, in many ways, a microcosm for everything that went wrong. When the agency’s contractors arrived at that black site, they said that as Abu Zubaydah was giving us information, he wasn’t fully cooperating because he wasn’t admitting to being the number three in al-Qaida.

We knew Abu Zubaydah’s background well: We had been investigating terrorist attacks in which he was involved in Jordan and terrorists who had come through his training camp. The reality is that Abu Zubaydah was an independent operator with close ties to al-Qaida, but he was never a member. He had actually tried to join earlier on in his career, but al-Qaida deemed him unstable; later, when they wanted him to join, Abu Zubaydah refused.

We pointed this out at the time, but the “enhanced” interrogators refused to listen. A few years ago, very quietly, the US government changed its claims about Abu Zubaydah, reflecting the reality that he was never a member.

And the thing of it is, our own aging interrogators from WWII who’d been in charge of questioning high level Nazi prisoners understood all this and tried to tell us what we were doing in the WoT was both wrong and inherently ineffective.

Blunt criticism of modern enemy interrogations was a common refrain at the ceremonies held beside the Potomac River near Alexandria. Across the river, President Bush defended his administration’s methods of detaining and questioning terrorism suspects during an Oval Office appearance.

Several of the veterans, all men in their 80s and 90s, denounced the controversial techniques. And when the time came for them to accept honors from the Army’s Freedom Team Salute, one veteran refused, citing his opposition to the war in Iraq and procedures that have been used at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

“I feel like the military is using us to say, ‘We did spooky stuff then, so it’s okay to do it now,’ ” said Arno Mayer, 81, a professor of European history at Princeton University.

329 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 12, 2015 3:22:59am

Torture is not about obtaining information, it is about convincing the public that our security forces are “doing their job”.

330 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 3:54:45am

re: #328 goddamnedfrank

Prof. Mayer was and remains a respectable man, with a keen ability to cut through bullshit. I had no idea he had turned down the honor, but I understand the reasons.

331 Lancelot Link  Jan 12, 2015 4:21:15am

re: #326 freetoken

Hey Freetoken, this Kiyoke Suizenji’s for you;

MP3 Audio

332 Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2015 4:21:57am

Something, something, outrage in 5….4….3…..

333 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 4:26:53am

re: #332 Dr. Matt

Something, something, outrage in 5….4….3…..

Involving France and Charlie Hebdo, more than likely

334 urbanmeemaw  Jan 12, 2015 4:28:32am

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I actually lived for a while in a Hollywood bungalow a lot like The Dude’s, when I first moved to LA.

Surprised that Chucky C hasn’t posted a pic and the address yet.

335 Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2015 4:29:31am

re: #333 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Involving France and Charlie Hebdo, more than likely

And if the President attended, the nutjobs would be bitching up a storm about the costs.

336 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2015 4:33:34am

re: #335 Dr. Matt

And if the President attended, the nutjobs would be bitching up a storm about the costs.

Seeing this picture on twitter this morning:

337 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 12, 2015 4:34:32am

re: #330 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I don’t know how Mayer is as a person, but as a historian he flirted with Holocaust revisionism at one time, making certain unsubstantiated claims about the number of Auschwitz victims and listing Faurisson and Butz among his sources.

338 Dark_Falcon  Jan 12, 2015 4:40:58am

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seeing this picture on twitter this morning:

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Sadly it has to be that way. High officials mixed in with a crowd would be an open invitation to Al Qaeda to send in a suicide bomber.

339 urbanmeemaw  Jan 12, 2015 4:41:11am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Wow I’ve never seen him so young. I really enjoy his work. He was hilarious as the older George Bluth on Arrested Development and he had a small role in There’s Something About Mary. Plus he’s good as the father in law in the Hangover movies too. Oh and one of my childhood favorites, Heavyweights.

I also enjoyed him in the Gary Shandling Show which was on HBO in the 90’s. He played the much put upon “sidekick”. Such a versatile, nuanced actor. He can do comedy and drama with equal ease.

340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2015 4:42:44am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

Sadly it has to be that way. High officials mixed in with a crowd would be an open invitation to Al Qaeda to send in a suicide bomber.

Of course.
And if President Obama had attended, the usual suspects would now be screaming PHOTO OP!!11!!

341 urbanmeemaw  Jan 12, 2015 4:43:53am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

usatoday.com

Do they not no what an ambassador does and who they work for?

LOL srsly? No.

BTW who represented Canada?

And none of the mainslime outlets (ie, NBC “News” neglected to mention a US ambassador was present. I guess it’s not their job to read USA Today.

342 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 4:45:34am

re: #337 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I don’t know how Mayer is as a person, but as a historian he flirted with Holocaust revisionism at one time, making certain unsubstantiated claims about the number of Auschwitz victims and listing Faurisson and Butz among his sources.

Yes, he’s taken an iconoclastic interpretation of the Holocaust, which has gotten him in trouble with many of his fellow Jews. He’s also sharply critical of Israel, with the expected backlash. I’m not saying I am agreeing with him, but I admire his independence. I regret not taking any of his courses.

343 urbanmeemaw  Jan 12, 2015 4:51:03am

re: #235 Decatur Deb

I was a folk music freak throughout the 60’s (mostly the Kingston Trio but also branched out to other artists). I vaguely remember Bonnie and this song. What a great voice. And yes, I also remember Barbara Dane and she could belt.

Also enjoyed Judy Collins, Carolyn Hester, Chad Mitchell Trio, and the Limelighters. It seems “the young folks” (Mumfords et al) have revived and transformed folk music and I think that’s a good thing. I always thought there was potential for folk music market today.

344 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 12, 2015 4:56:16am

re: #342 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality
Maybe. However I’m not talking about his interpretation (Bolshevism v. Jewishness), but about his claim about Auschwitz, which he basically took out of his ass (that more people died from typhus than were murdered).

345 urbanmeemaw  Jan 12, 2015 4:57:08am

re: #280 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It’s a parody account.

With UpChuck it’s hard to distinguish between parody and reality.

346 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 5:02:55am

re: #344 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Maybe. However I’m not talking about his interpretation (Bolshevism v. Jewishness), but about his claim about Auschwitz, which he basically took out of his ass (that more people died from typhus than were murdered).

I don’t know one way or the other. I know that Mayer has been on the far left for as long as I can remember, and his historical interpretation has to be taken with a grain of salt.

347 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 5:04:16am

re: #345 urbanmeemaw

With UpChuck it’s hard to distinguish between parody and reality.

I’ve taken to calling GotNews the parody account, with respect to gotnwes.com, partly for that reason.

348 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 12, 2015 5:11:00am

re: #346 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

No problem. More info at hdot.org
Search for his surname.

349 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 5:11:48am

Yes, we are being totally crushed by Obama’s unbearable gas prices.

350 Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2015 5:23:02am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

The blog cites Freedom Works. Might as well cite the Moony Times or WND for that matter.

351 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 5:26:07am

re: #350 Dr. Matt

The blog cites Freedom Works. Might as well cite the Moony Times or WND for that matter.

Wingnuts make shit up and then work themselves into a frothing rage about it.

352 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 5:27:36am

re: #351 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts make shit up and then work themselves into a frothing rage about it.

I’m amazed at the number of people who take everything UpChuck and DimHoft publish as gospel truth, then get all worked up about it.

353 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 5:28:25am

re: #352 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I’m amazed at the number of people who take everything UpChuck and DimHoft publish as gospel truth, then get all worked up about it.

Also too: everything Pam Geller, Rush Limbaugh, & Alex Jones say is TEH TROOFS!!!!1!!!!

354 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 5:29:44am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

Also too: everything Pam Geller, Rush Limbaugh, & Alex Jones say is TEH TROOFS!!!!1!!!!

Yup. No critical thinking skills at all.

355 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2015 5:34:04am
356 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 5:47:24am

And this STUPID AS FUCK meme:

357 ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2015 5:48:58am

Morning! Have I mentioned I hate colds. It feels like today will be the last…but damn…there are not enough tissues.

Weather wise, it appears Columbus was spared the ice storm that was feared. Looks like the warmer air moved north a bit, so anything 20 miles north of the city got a little ice, but more snow. I hope we get those 40° days at the end of this week. Hello January thaw.

And one more thing…I see Decatur Deb posted up a nice version of a great classic song by Bonnie Dobson…Walk me out in the Morning Dew.

There was a semi-successful band out of Cleveland Ohio, Damnation of Adam Blessing, who did a great version of the song. Tons of version have been done by rockers, but to me Damnation does one of the best for a rock band. Of course Adam Blessing (Ken Constable) has a great somewhat gospel somewhat bluesy voice to really carry it off. In my opinion anyway, see what you think.

The Damnation of Adam Blessing - Morning Dew

And back under the blankets for a bit…

358 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2015 5:53:10am

re: #357 ObserverArt

We had ice on the roads overnight and this morning, with lots of wrecks.
Schools were on a two-hour delay, but ended up being closed about an hour ago.

359 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 12, 2015 5:56:39am

Got and stayed above freezing point in Philadelphia overnight, so here it’s just drizzle and very dreary outside. Misty right now with very low visibility.

Co-workers reported some slick spots on the back roads, but otherwise not that bad of a commute.

Looks like a nice day to snuggle up with a warm cup of tea, a book, and some cats. But not to be.

360 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 5:58:20am

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

Angle is everything. Want to make a small protest look huge? Take a low angle shot. Want to make a big protest seem small, take a high angle wide shot with limited points of reference.

Speaking of angle, Steve Emerson, who claims to be an Islam expert was on Fox News spouting off bogus statistics about Muslims in the UK. He was busy claiming that Birmingham and other cities are majority Muslim and that non-Muslims can’t go there (no-go zones).

It was patently BS, and he had to walk back those claims, but not before he got them out there.

Islamophobia is real, and they’re spreading their noxious nonsense all over the media.

As a reminder, this is the true demographic picture in Europe, and far from being a majority anywhere, there’s a range from insignificant minority to a substantial minority.

In Birmingham, Muslims make up 22% of the population, which is hardly a majority (unless you’re playing RWNJ math).

361 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 5:59:59am

re:
#349

Obama’s $181 billion in executive actions are being passed on to consumers through higher prices

Well this is a new derp. Maybe FreedomWorks got this from #FoxNewsFacts?

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362 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2015 6:02:44am
363 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 12, 2015 6:05:06am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wonder when Anonymous is going to hack the bunny manufacturers…

364 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 6:05:56am

re: #360 lawhawk

Speaking of angle, Steve Emerson, who claims to be an Islam expert was on Fox News spouting off bogus statistics about Muslims in the UK. He was busy claiming that Birmingham and other cities are majority Muslim and that non-Muslims can’t go there (no-go zones).

I’ve seen the same bullshit said about Dearborn MI by people who have never been to Dearborn MI.

365 Eventual Carrion  Jan 12, 2015 6:06:59am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Now that made me actually LOL.

366 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 6:07:53am

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

Most of the people repeating this nonsense simply can’t find any of these places on a map.

367 b.d.  Jan 12, 2015 6:09:16am

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seeing this picture on twitter this morning:

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Obama flew 1/2 way across the world to take part in a fake march. #fakemarch

I can only imagine the poutrage this AM if the president went to Paris.

368 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 6:11:46am

re: #367 b.d.

It’s a toss-up. The amount of fauxtrage by not attending versus the fautrage if he did. The same people who complain that he didn’t go are the same ones who’d complain if he went.

It’s all so much bs.

369 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 12, 2015 6:13:01am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Excuse me, but I was busy meeting with a student. I have read the paper, since you are so keen on us doing so. I suppose one’s reaction to Dershowitz’ arguments for “torture warrants” depends on one’s acceptance of torture as a legitimate means of obtaining information. Clearly, Dershowitz has no qualms about torture being acceptable, as long as there are clear legal avenues for its use.

There are many hypotheticals in just this one extract, enough to make the entire argument pretty weak.

1. We have someone in custody who may have information about a terroristic act.
2. He refuses to cooperate.
3. There are no other possible sources of information.
4. We get a “torture warrant.”
5. He still refuses.
6. We stick needles under his fingernails.
7. He sings like a canary.
8. Problem solved!

He refers to Israeli cases in which some useful information was obtained by mild torture techniques. Then the Israeli courts declared such techniques illegal. Yet, in the same paper, using the aforesaid hypotheticals, he says basically that the Israeli Supreme Court was wrong in its decision, because torture sometimes is justified.

I don’t find his argument convincing in the least. I also find his suggestion that torture should be legally condoned abhorrent.

If that’s what you think his points are than you managed to look at the paper without reading it. You also have a knack for mischaracterizing my arguments. I guess that’s what you get when you have a pre-conceived notion, not about torture, but about Alan Dershowitz.

(My spell-checker doesn’t like pre-conceived, so when I right-clicked it one of the acceptable options was “pee-conceived.)

370 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 6:13:26am

re: #368 lawhawk

It’s a toss-up. The amount of fauxtrage by not attending versus the fautrage if he did. The same people who complain that he didn’t go are the same ones who’d complain if he went.

It’s all so much bs.

Mostly they’re poutraged he’s still president.

371 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 12, 2015 6:13:33am

re: #368 lawhawk

It’s a toss-up. The amount of fauxtrage by not attending versus the fautrage if he did. The same people who complain that he didn’t go are the same ones who’d complain if he went.

It’s all so much bs.

Is opportunity fauxtrage something that has to now be taken into consideration when deciding how much foaming at the mouth an activity by Obama is actually supposed to generate?
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372 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 6:14:18am

re: #371 Feline Fearless Leader

Is opportunity fauxtrage something that has to now be taken into consideration when deciding how much foaming at the mouth an activity by Obama is actually supposed to generate?
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Obama does a thing.
RWNJ’s foam at the mouth.

373 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 6:16:54am

Sorry if I’m late to the party on this, but even after November’s election losses we are still, STILL, stuck with a dozen or so terrible Dems in the House. Here are the awful Dems who voted for the R’s changing the definition of full time work bill last week: (via Down With Tyranny):

Brad Ashford (Blue Dog-NE)
• Ami Bera (New Dem-CA)
• Jim Costa (Blue Dog-CA)
• Henry Cuellar (Blue Dog-TX)
• John Delaney (New Dem-MD)
• Gwen Graham (Blue Dog-FL)
• Dan Lipinski (Blue Dog-IL)
• Patrick Murphy (New Dem-FL)
• Scott Peters (New Dem-CA)
• Colin Peterson (Blue Dog-MN)
• Kurt Schrader (Blue Dog-OR)
• Kyrsten Sinema (Blue Dog-AZ)

No doubt some of these Dems might say “Well, these workers can just get healthcare on the exchanges…”

Sure, the same exchanges R’s are fighting all the way to the SCOTUS to not subsidize.

downwithtyranny.blogspot.com

Didn’t realize Sinema had joined the Blue Doggies and was being this terrible.

And here’s the newest Blue Doggie in the House from Oregon (Shrader):

by Schrader’s count, the 14 Blue Dogs can be bolstered by the 40-member New Democrat caucus. The group, says Schrader, is “a balance to the Elizabeth Warrens of the world,” referring to the Massachusetts senator who’s become the idol of the other end of the party. In the House, it’s “a way to show we’re not all like Nancy (Pelosi, the minority leader).”

downwithtyranny.blogspot.com

JFC. Numbnuts. Republicans control the House by largest margin since Truman and blue doggie Schrader wants to “balance” Pelosi.

When does this sht ever end?

374 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 6:17:48am

Priorities.

SSMOTI really wants to reclaim the title as SMOTI

375 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 6:18:32am

re: #369 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Whatever. I read the paper. I stand by my remarks. I was characterizing his arguments, not yours.

Further, I’m not going to focus on Dershowitz’ comments about torture, because I was not the one who raised that particular issue. My original mention of Dershowitz regarded his going after V. Roberts and her lawyers tooth and nail, which I find too aggressive to be ethical. Your mileage may vary.

Why are you so defensive about Dershowitz, anyway?

376 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 6:20:41am

re:
#574

Didn’t realize presidents were supposed to attend marches.

Oh, and who exactly was behind this “Paris Unity March”?

377 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 6:23:22am

re:
#376

OK, clicked the link to Dim Jim’s website and saw several international leaders marching. So Obama is supposed to fly overseas for this?

378 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 12, 2015 6:23:36am

Not necessarily defensive about Dershowitz, just a matter of seeing things differently. Sometimes, just for the halibut, I put myself in the other guy’s shoes. What would I do if this happened to me?
Right now there is a fiasco at my nursing school, and if what happened to some of my classmates happened to me, I would have taken the nuclear option. (I think some of them threatened the nuclear option because those students are still here.)

379 b.d.  Jan 12, 2015 6:23:38am

re: #376 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#574

Didn’t realize presidents were supposed to attend marches.

Oh, and who exactly was behind this “Paris Unity March”?

And we would be seeing pictures of the French Communists, atheists etc. marching and all other “scary” groups with the title:

OBAMA marches with [insert scary group here]!!!!!

380 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jan 12, 2015 6:24:24am

Anyway, gotta shut down, low battery.

381 BeenHereAwhile  Jan 12, 2015 6:31:44am

re: #332 Dr. Matt

re: #343 urbanmeemaw

I was a folk music freak throughout the 60’s (mostly the Kingston Trio but also branched out to other artists). I vaguely remember Bonnie and this song. What a great voice. And yes, I also remember Barbara Dane and she could belt.

Also enjoyed Judy Collins, Carolyn Hester, Chad Mitchell Trio, and the Limelighters. It seems “the young folks” (Mumfords et al) have revived and transformed folk music and I think that’s a good thing. I always thought there was potential for folk music market today.

Dave Guard And The Whiskey Hill Singers, with Judy Henske belting out, “Nobody Knows You When You’re Down And Out.”

(I like the 12 string lead into the song)

Nobody Knows You When You’re Down and Out

382 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 6:47:10am
383 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 12, 2015 6:52:21am

re: #382 lawhawk

So net fauxtrage of zero if you subtracted the opportunity fauxtrage of Obama attending from the generated fauxtrage due to Obama not attending?
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384 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 12, 2015 6:54:28am

re: #383 Feline Fearless Leader

So net fauxtrage of zero if you subtracted the opportunity fauxtrage of Obama attending from the generated fauxtrage due to Obama not attending?
//

Even if Obama retired from office and named Ted Cruz as his successor-for-life, they would complain because he had not done it sooner…

385 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 6:56:12am

re: #384 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Even if Obama retired from office and named Ted Cruz as his successor-for-life, they would complain because he had not done it sooner…

The wingnuts would complain that he isn’t on Death Row awaiting execution for the crime of POTUS’ing While Black

386 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 12, 2015 7:02:22am

good morning Lizards. Had a great birthday weekend. Also watched The Interview and honestly, it was incredibly dumb but funny, The guy playing Kim Jung Un was hysterical.

387 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 7:03:58am

re: #386 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

good morning Lizards. Had a great birthday weekend. Also watched The Interview and honestly, it was incredibly dumb but funny, The guy playing Kim Jung Un was hysterical.

I saw it too. Agree. Been watching a lot of real stuff on North Korea since I saw it. There’s some good documentaries on Netflix about the regime including the American soldier who defected to the North in the early 60’s and appeared in their propaganda films. He’s still there.

388 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 7:04:34am
389 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 12, 2015 7:07:07am

re: #387 HappyWarrior

I saw it too. Agree. Been watching a lot of real stuff on North Korea since I saw it. There’s some good documentaries on Netflix about the regime including the American soldier who defected to the North in the early 60’s and appeared in their propaganda films. He’s still there.

I am going to check some of those out. I was roped in to seeing The Interview since I was staying at a friend’s place on friday night and he decided to rent it. Yeah, it was not a smart comedy (after all it had Seth Rogan in it) but it was funny enough that I rented it saturday night so the wife could watch and funny enough that my friend and I were quoting it pretty much all saturday at the lake lol.

390 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 7:07:35am

re:
#388

What does a British PM know about Britain?

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391 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 7:08:29am

re: #388 lawhawk

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What’s funny about that statement is I remember Birmingham being the answer to a trivia question involving St. Patrick’s Day and Irish emigrants. Good for Cameron calling this guy an idiot. Too bad though the morons that watch FNC will take Emerson’s word over Cameron’s because obviously Cameron’s just an Islamic appeaser.//

392 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 7:09:46am

re: #389 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I am going to check some of those out. I was roped in to seeing The Interview since I was staying at a friend’s place on friday night and he decided to rent it. Yeah, it was not a smart comedy (after all it had Seth Rogan in it) but it was funny enough that I rented it saturday night so the wife could watch and funny enough that my friend and I were quoting it pretty much all saturday at the lake lol.

My teenage brother wanted to watch it. But yeah it was funny. But yeah do check some of the actual documentaries out.

393 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 7:09:55am

re: #391 HappyWarrior

What’s funny about that statement is I remember Birmingham being the answer to a trivia question involving St. Patrick’s Day and Irish emigrants. Good for Cameron calling this guy an idiot. Too bad though the morons that watch FNC will take Emerson’s word over Cameron’s because obviously Cameron’s just an Islamic appeaser.//

And he’s a foreigner!

394 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 12, 2015 7:13:47am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

My teenage brother wanted to watch it. But yeah it was funny. But yeah do check some of the actual documentaries out.

I definitely will. Thanks!

395 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 7:14:27am

re: #393 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

And he’s a foreigner!

I am not a huge Cameron fan but I found it telling about Mitt that even though Cameron belongs to what is supposed to be the GOP’s British counterpart that he found himself more comfortable with Obama than Mitt. Mitt I know also offended the mayor of London too. Seriously though, the shit people are able to say on FNC about Muslims is just vile.

396 Varek Raith  Jan 12, 2015 7:15:28am

Were any Republicans in Paris?

397 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 7:16:13am

Just some random #tcot frothing this morning:

398 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 7:17:46am

And a wingnut admits:

399 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 7:20:09am

re:
#396

Were any Republicans in Paris?

Speaker Bane(r), Senator Cruz and Ayn Rand Paul managed to go and not get photographed, apparently. /

400 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Jan 12, 2015 7:21:08am

re: #398 The Vicious Babushka

And a wingnut admits:

Ironically, Obama is far more popular overseas than Bush was.

401 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 7:21:32am

re: #396 Varek Raith

Were any Republicans in Paris?

GOP Presidential pretenders Gov Christie and Gov. Walker were at the Packers-Cowboys game. Christie had to fly to Green Bay; he could have flown to be with the protesters.

If you want to play those games, that is…

402 Romantic Heretic  Jan 12, 2015 7:23:36am

re: #352 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I’m amazed at the number of people who take everything UpChuck and DimHoft publish as gospel truth, then get all worked up about it.

When a person is an addict they don’t care what the source of the drug is.

403 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2015 7:27:04am

re: #388 lawhawk

404 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 7:27:17am

Most of the casualties are actually related to the Syria civil war, though at the rate that Boko Haram has ramped up its war against Nigeria, it becoming a huge humanitarian nightmare - all without the international assistance that has gone to helping Syrian refugees.

405 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 7:28:04am
406 b.d.  Jan 12, 2015 7:29:57am

#foxnewsfacts is the #2 trending topic on the world wide Twitters machine

407 Romantic Heretic  Jan 12, 2015 7:31:47am

re: #360 lawhawk

That map shows that once again perception and reality are far apart.

408 Timothy Watson  Jan 12, 2015 7:34:05am

+100 for Telly Savalas

409 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 7:39:56am

re:
#405

Obama didn’t prevent any GOP leaders from attending march; nothing stopped Gov. Christie or Gov. Walker from attending except NFL playoffs

Shutup!1 Thare only governors and not prez and our Congress leaders our working not like lazy bum in Wh!!!!!11

410 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 7:42:08am

Wife binge-watched 14 hours of Downton Abbey yesterday. (We are still not sleeping after the g-kid Tonsillectomy Tour.)

She is casting about for servants to abuse.

411 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 7:43:03am

WHY WEREN’T YOU THERE TED?

412 Varek Raith  Jan 12, 2015 7:43:06am

re: #410 Decatur Deb

Wife binge-watched 14 hours of Downton Abbey yesterday. (We are still not sleeping after the g-kid Tonsillectomy Tour.)

She is casting about for servants to abuse.

You should hide.

413 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 7:46:58am

re:
#411

What about 2,000 killed in Africa, Ted?

414 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 7:48:27am

re: #413 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#411

What about 2,000 killed in Africa, Ted?

I seriously doubt whether Cruz could find Africa on a map, let alone specifics like Nigeria or the region where Boko Haram is operating.

415 Dr Lizardo  Jan 12, 2015 7:48:34am

Wingnuts are gonna blow a gasket when they find about this:

Chancellor Angela Merkel and most of her cabinet will join a rally for an “open and tolerant Germany” called by Muslim leaders Tuesday in Berlin after the jihadist attacks in France, a spokesman said.

Merkel will take part in the event at the Brandenburg Gate in the heart of the capital, along with Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and other top officials, government spokesman Georg Streiter told reporters Monday.

Merkel joined French President Francois Hollande and several other world leaders at a huge Paris solidarity rally Sunday in the wake of the massacre of 17 people by Islamist gunmen in the city last week.

hurriyetdailynews.com

I can hear it now; I imagine Pammy and Robert Spencer will be denouncing Chancellor Merkel most vehemently.

I for one am glad to see the Chancellor of Germany showing her support - as far as I’m concerned, it sends a powerful message to wingnuts all over Europe - and the world - to cram it. Good on her.

416 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 7:49:30am

FAIL OF THE DAY

417 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 12, 2015 7:49:52am

In any other situation they would be calling for the cartoonists’ heads for depicting Jesus in a homo-incestual orgy. But it’s a chance to bash Obama, so…

418 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 7:52:47am

re:
#415

Why isn’t Obummer going to Germany to….oh wait..MERKEL GIVES IN TO TARRERISTS!!!!11

419 Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2015 7:52:55am

Amusing. Teahadists pretending they care about France now.

420 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 7:53:00am

Totally not surprised by this at all:

421 CarolJ  Jan 12, 2015 7:54:54am

re: #319 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

There are several assumptions behind the belief in torture that are unexamined. First, that the person would not rather die than tell you about the bomb. That that the person you catch actually knows where the bomb is or how to defuse it. That they would not reason that simply holding out long enough makes the detonation inevitable. That the information is current and correct, and no one has moved or changed the bomb to another place or detonation to another time later than the time of your captive’s capture, to confuse the holders.

And because of the possibility that someone may be arrested, some groups compartmentalize. A plot may be carried out by different people with different roles, none of whom knows the whole plan or story. Some people outside may be tricked in to helping. Only a few people may know the all the details

422 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 12, 2015 8:00:46am

1. I acknowledge the bare possibility of a ticking bomb scenario.
2. Its happening probability is very low and the probability that torture will help is low.
3. Legalizing torture would open door to abuse. (Let’s omit all the moral factors.)
4. So what Dershowitz proposes is unlikely to help but is likely to be abused.

Very smart, yeah.

423 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jan 12, 2015 8:01:06am

re: #121 darthstar

Okay…who said golf wasn’t an addicting sport?

Disc golf is even more addicting, and way less expensive.

424 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 8:01:50am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

Who still believes Obama isn’t Muslim? Osama bin Laden, Awlaki, and a countless list of AQ number 2s.

425 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 8:04:14am

STUPIDEST TCOT TWEET OF THE DAY:

426 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 8:06:33am

re: #422 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

1. I acknowledge the bare possibility of a ticking bomb scenario.
2. Its happening probability is very low and the probability that torture will help is low.
3. Legalizing torture would open door to abuse. (Let’s omit all the moral factors.)
4. So what Dershowitz proposes is unlikely to help but is likely to be abused.

Very smart, yeah.

Add to your algorithm:

They don’t make fuzes long enough, or clocks slow enough, to permit LE and judicial response. It’s an inherent disadvantage of police and military command processes that there will never be enough time to react to any information.

(I get damned tired of seeing James Bond cut the wire as the timer reaches 007.)

427 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2015 8:11:01am

How dare Obamao delay my flight and cause traffic jams just so he could go to France to support those loser surrender-monkeys!!!!

/

428 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:12:02am

re: #427 GlutenFreeJesus

How dare Obamao delay my flight and cause traffic jams just so he could go to France to support those loser surrender-monkeys!!!!

/

That’s pretty much what they’d be saying if he had gone. It really is laughable eeing wingnuts pretend like they give a damn about France after the way they reacted to the French people and government opposing the war in Iraq.

429 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2015 8:12:59am

Btw. Someone needs to stop watching 24 and using its episodes as a means to justify torture. That. Is. All.

430 CarolJ  Jan 12, 2015 8:13:11am

re: #426 Decatur Deb Good point.

And by the way, folks need to remember that the President of the United States travels with a veritable army of handlers and security-enough to overwhelm smaller security groups.

I also can’t help but think some would have been concerned that having Obama there would have egged on some groups to try something spectacular to either get at him or disrupt the event by creating mayhem. Fewer people would want to get at the Prime Minister of say, Albania or Belgium. It’s the same reason they attacked the Trade Towers instead of some Berlin skyscraper-more attention and a bigger target.

431 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:13:27am

re: #429 GlutenFreeJesus

Btw. Someone needs to stop watching 24 and using its episodes as a means to justify torture. That. Is. All.

But what would be the fun of that?

432 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:14:34am

re: #430 CarolJ

Good point.

And by the way, folks need to remember that the President of the United States travels with a veritable army of handlers and security-enough to overwhelm smaller security groups.

I also can’t help but think some would have been concerned that having Obama there would have egged on some groups to try something spectacular to either get at him or disrupt the event by creating mayhem. Fewer people would want to get at the Prime Minister of say, Albania or Belgium. It’s the same reason they attacked the Trade Towers instead of some Berlin skyscraper-more attention and a bigger target.

Right. But you’re you know using common sense and context- the thing the wingnuts refuse to do when it comes to Obama because he gives them bouts of impotent rage.

433 makeitstop  Jan 12, 2015 8:15:04am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

That’s pretty much what they’d be saying if he had gone. It really is laughable eeing wingnuts pretend like they give a damn about France after the way they reacted to the French people and government opposing the war in Iraq.

Also see: Cost of flying Air Force One.

434 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:15:55am

You notice how Hollende isn’t complaining about Obama not being there. The only people really upset and I use that term loosely about Obama not being there are wingnut losers on Twitter who would be upset if he had somehow been able to be there.

435 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:16:21am

re: #433 makeitstop

Also see: Cost of flying Air Force One.

Right.

436 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 8:16:29am
437 Kryptik  Jan 12, 2015 8:17:31am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately, a lot of ostensibly left-wing folks are falling for the concern trolling on this shit too. The seductiveness of right wing bullshit and ratfuckery never ends.

438 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 8:17:48am

re: #430 CarolJ

Good point.

And by the way, folks need to remember that the President of the United States travels with a veritable army of handlers and security-enough to overwhelm smaller security groups.

I also can’t help but think some would have been concerned that having Obama there would have egged on some groups to try something spectacular to either get at him or disrupt the event by creating mayhem. Fewer people would want to get at the Prime Minister of say, Albania or Belgium. It’s the same reason they attacked the Trade Towers instead of some Berlin skyscraper-more attention and a bigger target.

If the President had attended, it would have flipped the RWNJs instantly to the anti-Charlie mode. They would have dragged out every obnoxious cartoon the mag had ever produced as an example of Obama’s ‘endorsement’.

When every course of action guarantees fauxtrage, the leader is given a perverse freedom. “They’ll howl the same no matter what we do—fuck’em.”

439 GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2015 8:18:43am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

Hey. There’s always Mr. Bean.

440 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 8:19:51am

re: #438 Decatur Deb

If the President had attended, it would have flipped the RWNJs instantly to the anti-Charlie mode. They would have dragged out every obnoxious cartoon they had ever produced as an example of Obama’s ‘endorsement’.

When every course of action guarantees fauxtrage, the leader is given a perverse freedom. “They’ll howl the same no matter what we do—fuck’em.”

If POTUS did attend, the TCOTs would change their talking points to complain about the cost to taxpayers of flying Air Force One, “Paris vacation”, and of course Michelle’s shopping sprees.

441 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 8:21:40am

HURR HURR TEH JRBS REPORT IS BOGUS!!!! THEY DON’T COUNT 12 YEAR OLDS & SENIOR CITIZENS!!!! ALL THOSE WORTHLESS MOOCHERS & USELESS EATERS SHOULD BE PUT TO WORK IN TEH SALT MINES & TEH WALMART STORES!!!!1!!!!

442 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Jan 12, 2015 8:22:26am

re: #440 The Vicious Babushka

GOP pres. candidate ad: his photo among God-fearing, white Americans eating burgers or whatever; Obama’s photo among furrin effete socialist blasphemers.

443 b_sharp  Jan 12, 2015 8:22:33am

re: #437 Kryptik

Unfortunately, a lot of ostensibly left-wing folks are falling for the concern trolling on this shit too. The seductiveness of right wing bullshit and ratfuckery never ends.

This attack on another non-muslim country has upped the fear factor which unfortunately can cause liberals to lean further right.

444 Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2015 8:22:35am

France just experienced their worst terrorist attack on their homeland, and the POTUS is suppose to attend a photo-op. Riiiiiiiiight.

445 Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2015 8:23:49am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

You notice how Hollende isn’t complaining about Obama not being there. The only people really upset and I use that term loosely about Obama not being there are wingnut losers on Twitter who would be upset if he had somehow been able to be there.

I quickly clicked through the cable and news networks today, and nearly everyone had something to say about President Obama’s absence.

446 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:25:16am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR TEH JRBS REPORT IS BOGUS!!!! THEY DON’T COUNT 12 YEAR OLDS & SENIOR CITIZENS!!!! ALL THOSE WORTHLESS MOOCHERS & USELESS EATERS SHOULD BE PUT TO WORK IN TEH SALT MINES & TEH WALMART STORES!!!!1!!!!

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So if that’s true maybe Jennifer should direct her anger at her party that cares more about pointless investigations of Benghazi and repeals of ACA that they know POTUS will never sign rather than being angry at a president who has actually presented a plan for jobs rather than just recycled Reaganomics bullshit. But wait that would mean admitting that conservatism is a sham and that it’s not all Obama’s fault. You didn’t see conservatives blaming the president when Reagan presided over a double digit unemployment rate.

447 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:26:00am

re: #445 Dr. Matt

I quickly clicked through the cable and news networks today, and nearly everyone had something to say about President Obama’s absence.

The media is the worst. Really he sent his ambassador there. Who the hell do they think decided to send the ambassador?

448 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 8:26:49am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

The media is the worst. Really he sent his ambassador there. Who the hell do they think decided to send the ambassador?

That is not even the point. The point is that if POTUS had been there THEY WOULD STILL BITCH ABOUT IT.

449 Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2015 8:27:00am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

The media is the worst. Really he sent his ambassador there. Who the hell do they think decided to send the ambassador?

Yup. That pro-Obama librul media……

450 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 8:27:57am

re: #442 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

GOP pres. candidate ad: his photo among God-fearing, white Americans eating burgers or whatever; Obama’s photo among furrin effete socialist blasphemers.

Photograph FLOTUS with one forkful of kale, and it’s all over.

451 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:28:07am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

That is not even the point. The point is that if POTUS had been there THEY WOULD STILL BITCH ABOUT IT.

Sure there’s that too. I can just see Fox having their “psychiatrists” like Keith Ablow and charles Krauthammer pointing to Obama’s being there as “evidence” that he’s a narcissist.

452 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 8:29:07am

re:
#445

I quickly clicked through the cable and news networks today, and nearly everyone had something to say about President Obama’s absence.

From propaganda jabberwockies at Koch Industries to Twitter to mainstream “liberal” media news outlets.

453 ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2015 8:29:45am

re: #438 Decatur Deb

If the President had attended, it would have flipped the RWNJs instantly to the anti-Charlie mode. They would have dragged out every obnoxious cartoon the mag had ever produced as an example of Obama’s ‘endorsement’.

When every course of action guarantees fauxtrage, the leader is given a perverse freedom. “They’ll howl the same no matter what we do—fuck’em.”

Yep! He’s a lame duck, his numbers are going up, he is still under the skins of the GOP, he has the veto pen, he still has a lot of people in this country listening to him and he has a lot of future years in front of him.

I can see him calling Roger Ailes at FOX yesterday and say “Roger, Barack Obama. Na na na nahh na na nah!!!”

454 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 8:30:13am

re: #452 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#445

From propaganda jabberwockies at Koch Industries to Twitter to mainstream “liberal” media news outlets.

Just call up Memeorandum at this moment:

memeorandum.com

455 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 8:31:59am

re:
#453

He’s done a whole bunch of stuff since November’s election, seriously trolling the hell out of TCOT.

And that’s not counting all the veto pens about to come out in the next few months.

456 William Barnett-Lewis  Jan 12, 2015 8:35:49am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

Unless it’s a GOP president, then everyone’s got a job and noone’s working multiple jobs to make ends meet… Feh.

457 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 8:37:59am

re:
#454

“Criticism grows at thin US presence in France….”

LOL. Uh, yeah. Criticism from Faux News.

458 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 8:38:58am

re:
#456

When Dem president: People have given up looking for work

When GOP president: lazy people not looking for work

459 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:42:00am

What I love is the conservative double speak about jobs. WHY ISN’T OBAMA DOING ENOUGH ON JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!! And then when he proposes a jobs bill. They cry about how the government shouldn’t be involved in providing people with jobs. But then again this is the story of Obama’s presidency with wingnuts. He’s both incompetent and the most intrusive president ever.

460 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:42:37am

re: #458 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#456

When Dem president: People have given up looking for work

When GOP president: lazy people not looking for work

Exactamundo. Oh and when GOP president, cut unemployment benefits so the moochers aren’t “enabled.”

461 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 8:44:12am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

What I love is the conservative double speak about jobs. WHY ISN’T OBAMA DOING ENOUGH ON JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!! And then when he proposes a jobs bill. They cry about how the government shouldn’t be involved in providing people with jobs. But then again this is the story of Obama’s presidency with wingnuts. He’s both incompetent and the most intrusive president ever.

And when the unemployment number goes down, they pull out their bogus
92 MILLIONS UNEMPLOYED OFF TEH RECORDS!!!!!!!! which is achieved by counting 12-year-old school kids, stay-at-home moms and retired senior citizens.

462 CarolJ  Jan 12, 2015 8:47:37am

re: #456 William Barnett-Lewis
None of the people who are crying about unemployed people not being counted seems to notice that we are in the timeframe where lots of Baby Boomers and Generation Jonesers are retiring or going down to part-time work. If you are say 63 with a pension, and your job is on the bubble, it may, depending upon what you can get from Social Security/Pension combined, be easier to simply retire or go to half-time rather than hold on for dear life. That’s also what happened during the Great Recession: many people decided to take retirement/had to take retirement in order to have something to live on. So these people are out of the workforce entirely or only in partly. These people are now off of unemployment, so they aren’t being counted anymore.

1956 is the peak of the Baby Boom in terms of births. I was born that year. In four years (age 62), depending upon economic conditions and what’s available, many may choose to retire early. In seven years or so, the wave of retirements will drop considerably. When that happens, a lot of positions will start opening up as the smaller Generation Xers and last remaining Jonesers move up to middle or senior management and leave those positions open for younger workers.

What will real unemployment numbers look like then?

463 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 8:48:33am

re: #461 The Vicious Babushka

And when the unemployment number goes down, they pull out their bogus
92 MILLIONS UNEMPLOYED OFF TEH RECORDS!!!!!!!! which is achieved by counting 12-year-old school kids, stay-at-home moms and retired senior citizens.

WHY AREN’T THE !3 YEAR OLDS IN COAL MINES!

464 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 8:48:41am

The obvious answer is for the President to be in Paris and not be in Paris at the same time. Schrödinger’s POTUS.

465 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 8:49:06am

re: #462 CarolJ

None of the people who are crying about unemployed people not being counted seems to notice that we are in the timeframe where lots of babyboomers are retiring or going down to part-time work. If you are say 63 with a pension, and your job is on the bubble, it may, depending upon what you can get from Social Security/Pension combined, be easier to simply retire or go to half-time rather than hold on for dear life. That’s also what happened during the Great Recession: many people decided to take retirement/had to take retirement in order to have something to live on. So these people are out of the workforce entirely or only in partly. These people are now off of unemployment, so they aren’t being counted anymore.

1956 is the peak of the Baby Boom in terms of births. I was born that year. In four years (age 62), depending upon economic conditions and what’s available, many may choose to retire early. In seven years or so, the wave of retirements will drop considerably. When that happens, a lot of positions will start opening up as the smaller Generation Xers and last remaining Jonesers move up to middle or senior manage4ment and leave those positions open for younger workers.

What will real unemployment numbers look like then?

The right-wingers do not want people to retire, they want seniors to keep working right up until they drop dead.

466 Kryptik  Jan 12, 2015 9:07:19am

Christ all, just looking everywhere else, it’s like the debate is already done, how this proves that Obama is the worst most terror-coddly, Muslim loving, horrible tyrannical ineffectual tyrant-coward in the history of fucking ever.

The right-wing narrative wins every single fucking time before a word can be put in edgewise.

How do you fight this shit when you’ve lost before you’ve even gotten a chance to speak?

467 CarolJ  Jan 12, 2015 9:23:27am

salon.com (2013)

washingtonpost.com

The next freakout on the schedule:

This month Obama is expected to make his decision on where he is going to put his Presidential Library. I fully expect a freak-out over just about everything about it: it’s cost, it’s location, what’s put in it, and even whether he deserves one.

Let’s not get into the fundraising aspects of it. And wherever it’s located will be criticized.
Hawaii’s too brown, Chicago’s too ghetto.

468 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 9:24:49am

re: #467 CarolJ

salon.com (2013)

washingtonpost.com

The next freakout on the schedule:

This month Obama is expected to make his decision on where he is going to put his Presidential Library. I fully expect a freak-out over just about everything about it: it’s cost, it’s location, what’s put in it, and even whether he deserves one.

Let’s not get into the fundraising aspects of it. And wherever it’s located will be criticized.
Hawaii’s too brown, Chicago’s too ghetto.

IT should be in Kenya. Wingnut humor.//

469 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 9:25:26am

re:
#467

Congressman TeaParty (R-As$hole) introduces legislation to forbid presidential libraries.

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470 Varek Raith  Jan 12, 2015 9:25:44am

Why can’t IE just DIAF?

471 Teukka  Jan 12, 2015 9:27:10am

re: #470 Varek Raith

Why can’t IE just DIAF?

Because reasons.

*notes that he spent 6 hrs chasing brushfires on Saturday after problems caused by microsloth software and operating systems*

472 Skip Intro  Jan 12, 2015 9:27:45am

No comment.

Ted Cruz, Longtime Foe Of NASA And Science, Will Oversee NASA And Science In New Congress

huffingtonpost.com

473 Varek Raith  Jan 12, 2015 9:28:14am

re: #471 Teukka

Because reasons.

*notes that he spent 6 hrs chasing brushfires on Saturday after problems caused by microsloth software and operating systems*

That’s what I did this morning.
Fun!

474 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 9:29:04am

re: #472 Skip Intro

No comment.

Ted Cruz, Longtime Foe Of NASA And Science, Will Oversee NASA And Science In New Congress

huffingtonpost.com

Expect a lot of multispectral remote-sensing missions to find Noah’s ark.

475 Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 12, 2015 9:31:11am

re: #467 CarolJ

salon.com (2013)

washingtonpost.com

The next freakout on the schedule:

This month Obama is expected to make his decision on where he is going to put his Presidential Library. I fully expect a freak-out over just about everything about it: it’s cost, it’s location, what’s put in it, and even whether he deserves one.

Let’s not get into the fundraising aspects of it. And wherever it’s located will be criticized.
Hawaii’s too brown, Chicago’s too ghetto.

How about Salt Lake City as an in-between location that will help maximize freakout value as well. And ask Mia Love to help with the fund raising.
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476 Ace-o-aces  Jan 12, 2015 9:31:20am
477 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 9:31:55am

re: #476 Ace-o-aces

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Cue the Jonah Jameson laugh.

478 urbanmeemaw  Jan 12, 2015 9:34:24am

re: #381 BeenHereAwhile

Yes! I had that album. They also performed some of the soundtrack for How The West Was Won. And Judy Henske can belt!

479 De Kolta Chair  Jan 12, 2015 9:34:55am

Interview with Robert Crumb here

480 ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2015 9:43:24am

re: #464 Decatur Deb

The obvious answer is for the President to be in Paris and not be in Paris at the same time. Schrödinger’s POTUS.

4D Imaging. The Virtual Obama Man. Computer generated doppelganger.

481 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 9:45:51am

re: #480 ObserverArt

4D Imaging. The Virtual Obama Man. Computer generated doppelganger.

Obama Hologram!

482 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 9:47:17am
483 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 9:47:38am

re: #478 urbanmeemaw

Yes! I had that album. They also performed some of the soundtrack for How The West Was Won. And Judy Henske can belt!

Favorite Judy Henske, though High Flyin’ Bird was more my era:

Judy Henske & Jerry Yester - Rapture

Amazingly good poetics:


Rapture (Henske/Yester)

Divers asleep
Dream of the deep
Closing over their heads
Lost comrades gather by their beds
“Her voice in the drowned bells
was tolling
In rapture we died
Waves o’er us rolling”

Pilots beware
the perilous air
Streaming under your wings
Her voice in the hot sun is calling
In rapture you die
Flying and falling

Lovers who lie
beneath the night sky
neither speak nor hear
in the perfect stillness
She is near
Her voice in the heart’s blood comes roaring
In rapture they die
Diving and soaring

484 CuriousLurker  Jan 12, 2015 9:49:29am

Just FYI, below are some statistics to keep in mind amid the fear mongering, courtesy of the 2014 Global Terrorism Index (emphasis mine).

EU-specific stats can be found at the Europol website which, like the Global Terrorism Index, also provides its full TE-SAT 2014 report (PDF):

Key Facts:

• 17,958 people were killed in terrorist attacks last year, that’s 61% more than the previous year.
82% of all deaths from terrorist attack occur in just 5 countries: Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria and Syria.
• Last year terrorism was dominated by four groups: the Taliban, Boko Haram, ISIL, and al Qa’ida.
More than 90% of all terrorist attacks occur in countries that have gross human rights violations.
40 times more people are killed by homicides than terrorist attacks.

visionofhumanity.org (PDF of full report available at the link)

Global Terrorism Index 2014

485 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 9:50:02am
486 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 9:50:35am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

apricate

PRONUNCIATION:
(AP-ri-kayt)

MEANING:
verb intr.: To bask in the sun.
verb tr.: To expose to the sun.

ETYMOLOGY:
From Latin apricari (to bask in the sun). Earliest documented use: 1691. Despite a similar spelling, the word apricot has a different origin. It’s from Latin praecox (early-ripening).

USAGE:
“I was also biting into that part of his body that must have been fairer than the rest because it never apricated.”
André Aciman; Call Me by Your Name; Picador; 2007.

487 makeitstop  Jan 12, 2015 9:50:54am

re: #483 Decatur Deb

Favorite Judy Henske, though High Flyin’ Bird was more my era:

Jerry Yester, incidentally, was one of the founders of The Association.

488 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 9:54:13am

re: #480 ObserverArt

4D Imaging. The Virtual Obama Man. Computer generated doppelganger.

re: #481 The Vicious Babushka

Obama Hologram!

Hundreds of them!! Freepers’ worst nightmare.

489 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 9:55:32am

Technically, I could apricate today, but I don’t think I will

you?.

490 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2015 9:57:08am
491 withak  Jan 12, 2015 9:58:02am

re: #490 The Vicious Babushka

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Are they going to order them a bunch of pizzas next?

492 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 9:58:24am

kid just asked if he could use lighter fluid to get rid of the snow he has to shovel.

I told him I won’t bail him out for any crime related to pyromania.

493 Varek Raith  Jan 12, 2015 10:00:14am

Good job, twitter.
/

494 Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2015 10:00:19am

re: #489 FemNaziBitch

Technically, I could apricate today, but I don’t think I will

you?.

Sporulation weather here.

495 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 10:01:26am

Delancey Place Excerpt for today:

inflation and the ku klux klan — 1/12/15

Today’s selection - from The Deluge by Adam Tooze. In 1919, devastating inflation that resulted from the disruption of World War I led to massive labor strikes across the U.S. This in turn led to a “Red Scare,” a fear of the spread of communism to America. But the communist threat never genuinely materialized. Instead, this inflation, and the sharp deflation that followed, led to a resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan, which grew from a few thousand in 1919 to as many as 4 million by 1924:

I think the conclusion that could be drawn is that wealth inequality leads to hate crimes as people look for a scapegoat and opportunists look for a cause.

496 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 10:03:01am

SECOND VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

SPORULATION

: the formation of spores; especially : division into many small spores (as after encystment)
— spor*u*la*tive adjective

497 Timothy Watson  Jan 12, 2015 10:03:09am

re: #492 FemNaziBitch

kid just asked if he could use lighter fluid to get rid of the snow he has to shovel.

I told him I won’t bail him out for any crime related to pyromania.

Beavis and Butthead - FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!

498 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 10:05:51am
499 ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2015 10:07:36am

re: #488 Decatur Deb

Hundreds of them!! Freepers’ worst nightmare.

An Obama under every RWNJ bed!!!

500 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 10:13:30am

re:
#493

Good job, twitter.
/

Maybe Twitter could reinstate Todd Kincannon for the eleventy-ith time?

501 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 10:15:49am

Today is a very Mondayish day. Rainy. Gray. Maybe I’ll close office door and take a nap.

502 b.d.  Jan 12, 2015 10:18:08am

OBAMA SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT PHOTO OP!

Strange days indeed.

503 b.d.  Jan 12, 2015 10:19:10am

re: #490 The Vicious Babushka

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I sure hope that US Cent Com’s Twitter password wasn’t our launch codes.

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504 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 10:21:34am
505 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 12, 2015 10:21:56am

re:
#202

General ham-handedness in dealing with European allies - a consistent problem for this administration

Isn’t it time to stop blaming Bush for everything?

Oh wait….

506 Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2015 10:23:42am

Is this working for anyone? —> drudgereport.com

507 urbanmeemaw  Jan 12, 2015 10:24:27am

re: #483 Decatur Deb

That was lovely! Thank you.

508 b.d.  Jan 12, 2015 10:24:33am

re: #506 Dr. Matt

Is this working for anyone? —> drudgereport.com

Sadly yes

509 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 10:24:38am
510 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 10:25:10am

re: #474 Decatur Deb

Expect a lot of multispectral remote-sensing missions to find Noah’s ark.

In Search Of… Noah’s Flood - Season 3, Episode 67 (Leonard Nimoy) Creation science

Leonard Nimoy’s In Search Of…. Noah’s Ark.

511 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 10:26:25am

re: #510 lawhawk

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Leonard Nimoy’s In Search Of…. Noah’s Ark.

I’ve never understood why anyone would believe there would be evidence left after how many thousands of years?

512 Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2015 10:26:28am

re: #508 b.d.

Sadly yes

Hmmmm. I wonder if my institution blocked it! haha

513 HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2015 10:26:58am

re: #509 FemNaziBitch

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American Taliban.

514 lawhawk  Jan 12, 2015 10:31:12am

re: #511 FemNaziBitch

Because other artifacts and structures have survived. But those artifacts are typically buried or made out of stone and therefore not likely to decompose. Since the Ark itself was built out of wood, it is probable that it would have decomposed.

515 Timothy Watson  Jan 12, 2015 10:33:52am

re: #514 lawhawk

Because other artifacts and structures have survived. But those artifacts are typically buried or made out of stone and therefore not likely to decompose. Since the Ark itself was built out of wood, it is probable that it would have decomposed.

But that gopher wood has supernatural properties.

516 FemNaziBitch  Jan 12, 2015 10:39:55am

re: #515 Timothy Watson

But that gopher wood has supernatural properties.

really!

I guess the arid climate on the top of the mountain has something to do with it … .

517 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jan 12, 2015 11:48:19am

re: #486 FemNaziBitch

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

That was on “Says You” a couple of months ago. Which doesn’t mean I remembered it.


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