FCC Classifies Internet Service as a Public Utility

Almost as important as the llama chase
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I know the amazing llama chase was huge news today, but this might be even more important: F.C.C. Approves Net Neutrality Rules, Classifying Broadband Internet Service as a Utility.

WASHINGTON — The Federal Communications Commission voted on Thursday to regulate broadband Internet service as a public utility, a milestone in regulating high-speed Internet service into American homes.

Tom Wheeler, the commission chairman, said the F.C.C. was using “all the tools in our toolbox to protect innovators and consumers” and preserve the Internet’s role as a “core of free expression and democratic principles.”

The new rules, approved 3 to 2 along party lines, are intended to ensure that no content is blocked and that the Internet is not divided into pay-to-play fast lanes for Internet and media companies that can afford it and slow lanes for everyone else. Those prohibitions are hallmarks of the net neutrality concept.

This ruling opens the way for communities to build their own Internet access services and frees them from the tyranny of the huge corporations who have no incentive to make things better. It’s a huge win for the citizens of the US, who have lived too long with substandard Internet connection speeds compared to the rest of the world — which means the Republican Party is going to freak out about it.

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481 comments

1 Great White Snark  Feb 26, 2015 6:30:32pm

Kudos! Fostering innovation and entrepreneurs. The internet of things is coming. Online 3d printing. Streaming is becoming our media. 4k/Ultra HD is a bitrate monster. Frankly this just had to happen.

2 bratwurst  Feb 26, 2015 6:35:26pm

This! This! 100X THIS:

If you can’t see this, or that the proposed Comcast/Time Warner merger would be an anti-competitive clusterfuck, you deserve to have your internet speed throttled.

3 freetoken  Feb 26, 2015 6:35:27pm

The FCC would get more attention if they were fury and could be ridden by children at the local fair.

4 lawhawk  Feb 26, 2015 6:35:58pm

Leaving us more time to decide the truly important things.

Is that dress blue/black, or white and gold.

I vote… fugly. /

Seriously, that’s an awful photo via a crappy phone camera and the lighting is why some people might be mistaken as to the color.

It is blue/black.

5 Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2015 6:43:14pm

This is something that should have been enacted ages ago. One of the biggest mistakes we made as a nation was buying into the BS (yet again) that private industry could be trusted to self-regulate and that government regulation hurt rather than protected consumers.

6 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 26, 2015 6:48:32pm

Just waiting for the first time any right wing website has even the smallest hiccup and the cries of “Obama is targeting us on his Obama-Net”. I swear it will happen, we all know it.

RBS

7 Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2015 6:49:17pm
8 Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2015 6:50:01pm

re: #6 RealityBasedSteve

Just waiting for the first time any right wing website has even the smallest hiccup and the cries of “Obama is targeting us on his Obama-Net”. I swear it will happen, we all know it.

RBS

Ayep, much like how every insurance mishap was blamed on the ACA, every internet issue will now be due to the FCC.

9 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 26, 2015 6:51:26pm

#tcot has been losing their shit over this all day

10 Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2015 6:52:10pm
11 ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2015 6:53:16pm

re: #6 RealityBasedSteve

Just waiting for the first time any right wing website has even the smallest hiccup and the cries of “Obama is targeting us on his Obama-Net”. I swear it will happen, we all know it.

RBS

All a site has to do is put up some kind of a holding page with a warning on it stating they are down due to the new government regulations and the screaming would begin immediately. Then have that page cycle off and on for a day and the calls to the White House would be epic!

12 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 26, 2015 6:53:17pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Ayep, much like how every insurance mishap was blamed on the ACA, every internet issue will now be due to the FCC.

I’m just wondering, will I be able to access the Obama-net on my Obama-phone, while waiting to get my Obama-care?

RBS

13 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 26, 2015 6:53:57pm

WE WANT OUR INTERNETS TIERED & THROTTLED FOR FREEDOM!!!!!!!

14 Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2015 6:55:52pm

Today we saw the birth of a thousand wingnut conspiracy theories.

15 #FergusonFireside  Feb 26, 2015 6:56:54pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Leaving us more time to decide the truly important things.

Is that dress blue/black, or white and gold.

I vote… fugly. /

Seriously, that’s an awful photo via a crappy phone camera and the lighting is why some people might be mistaken as to the color.

It is blue/black.

Dude I saw white gold on the twitter image.

16 Kragar  Feb 26, 2015 6:57:29pm

re: #9 The Mother Of All Pies

17 Sionainn  Feb 26, 2015 6:57:35pm

re: #15 #FergusonFireside

Dude I saw white gold on the twitter image.

Blue and black.

18 Ace-o-aces  Feb 26, 2015 6:57:49pm

re: #13 The Mother Of All Pies

WE WANT OUR INTERNETS TIERED & THROTTLED FOR FREEDOM!!!!!!!

YOU CAN’T REGULATE TEH INTERNET! IT’S NOT LIKE IT’S A WOMAN’S UTERUS!!!!

19 #FergusonFireside  Feb 26, 2015 6:57:51pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Leaving us more time to decide the truly important things.

Is that dress blue/black, or white and gold.

I vote… fugly. /

Seriously, that’s an awful photo via a crappy phone camera and the lighting is why some people might be mistaken as to the color.

It is blue/black.

White gold from your link too. wtf. I just don’t get this.

20 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 26, 2015 6:59:21pm

re: #13 The Mother Of All Pies

WE WANT OUR INTERNETS TIERED & THROTTLED FOR FREEDOM!!!!!!!

Because being number 11 in the world rankings is actually being number 1 twice.

RBS

21 lawhawk  Feb 26, 2015 6:59:33pm

re: #19 #FergusonFireside

White gold from your link too. wtf. I just don’t get this.

Forget it Jake. It’s the Internet.

The new and improved Obamanet. Where black and blue is white and gold. And all your income are belong to us. /

22 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 26, 2015 7:00:41pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Leaving us more time to decide the truly important things.

Is that dress blue/black, or white and gold.

I vote… fugly. /

Seriously, that’s an awful photo via a crappy phone camera and the lighting is why some people might be mistaken as to the color.

It is blue/black.

It’s White and Gold….

RBS

23 nearly-headless smith25  Feb 26, 2015 7:01:27pm

re: #22 RealityBasedSteve

It’s White and Gold….

RBS

Tastes Great…Less Filling…

24 bratwurst  Feb 26, 2015 7:01:28pm
25 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 26, 2015 7:03:26pm

People need to ask the GOP if throttling access to American Sniper on Netflix is a good thing or a bad thing.

26 nines09  Feb 26, 2015 7:06:46pm

From the top of the page Charles writes; “This ruling opens the way for communities to build their own Internet access services and frees them from the tyranny of the huge corporations who have no incentive to make things better. It’s a huge win for the citizens of the US, who have lived too long with substandard Internet connection speeds compared to the rest of the world…”

And do you know how many people are TOTALLY ignorant on the details and think it’s a grab by the government in some way, shape or form? Don’t know what it is, but it’s bad. Going to cost more money. New crimp on Freedums and LIbtrees?
LOTS.

27 Teukka  Feb 26, 2015 7:08:28pm
28 Kragar  Feb 26, 2015 7:09:49pm

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

30 WhatEVs  Feb 26, 2015 7:10:57pm

re: #16 Kragar

@ABCPolitics @ericbolling @gitgirl there goes our 2nd amendment
2:45 PM - 26 Feb 2015

Holy bloody shit.

31 rhuarc  Feb 26, 2015 7:11:44pm

The only explanation I have for this is ignorance coupled with ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome). These people have no idea what net neutrality is and whether it’s good for them or not, but they do know that Obama is for it. Thus they reflexively have to be against it.

I’ve poked fun at some people on FB on a local news station’s story about it. I’ve seen the gamut of reasons to be against going from higher taxes, to internet takeover by government, to stifling regulations, to my favorite—slower internet ala Europe. That last one was the best when I shared a story from the NY Times about internet speed/cost and how the U.S. was lagging behind and the MOLON LABE moron chimed in that the source was’t trustworthy. Obviously he’s never been to Europe.

I just don’t understand it. I wish before today’s ruling that some service provider had blocked access to foxnews.com to demonstrate why we need net neutrality. I think that’s the only that would get through the ignorant brains.

32 Teukka  Feb 26, 2015 7:11:47pm

re: #30 WhatEVs

Holy bloody shit.

LOLWUT?

33 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 26, 2015 7:13:02pm

re: #26 nines09

From the top of the page Charles writes; “This ruling opens the way for communities to build their own Internet access services and frees them from the tyranny of the huge corporations who have no incentive to make things better. It’s a huge win for the citizens of the US, who have lived too long with substandard Internet connection speeds compared to the rest of the world…”

And do you know how many people are TOTALLY ignorant on the details and think it’s a grab by the government in some way, shape or form? Don’t know what it is, but it’s bad. Going to cost more money. New crimp on Freedums and LIbtrees?
LOTS.

A few months ago I was talking with my Dad. He’s a retired electronics engineer (Commo and Crypto primarily) , and he asked me what the deal is with the net neutrality issue. I explained that basically it was to prevent a provider from providing more band width or favoring one company or content over another. That all traffic had to be granted equal access and a level playing field. I could hear him chewing on that for a moment, and he replied with: “Oh, now I understand why the republicans are dead set against it”. I love that man!

RBS

34 nines09  Feb 26, 2015 7:16:20pm

...

35 nines09  Feb 26, 2015 7:17:42pm

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

Not many even understand and then when they hear Obama, FCC, and Utilities they get dumb.

36 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 26, 2015 7:19:26pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Leaving us more time to decide the truly important things.

Is that dress blue/black, or white and gold.

I vote… fugly. /

Seriously, that’s an awful photo via a crappy phone camera and the lighting is why some people might be mistaken as to the color.

It is blue/black.

I like Jalopnik’s response: What Color is this Goddamn Car?

Is this McLaren MP4/2C white and gold or blue and black? Let’s settle this shit.

Click through to see the car. :D

37 #FergusonFireside  Feb 26, 2015 7:21:42pm

re: #22 RealityBasedSteve

It’s White and Gold….

RBS

I did read something that white gold were happy, blue black were not. But I’m not putting that shit on anyone. It’s like the horrorscope. When were you born? Oh. You are screwed.

38 WhatEVs  Feb 26, 2015 7:22:34pm

re: #32 Teukka

LOLWUT?

Inorite? How to jump from Point A to…a toenail.

39 #FergusonFireside  Feb 26, 2015 7:25:16pm

re: #29 nines09

Bill’s Trubbas Mount. Pass me the popcorn.

O’Reilly has lied lied lied for years. How’d he get where he is? Amazing that it took Brian Williams for people to finally check & report.

40 Jenner7  Feb 26, 2015 7:27:12pm

re: #9 The Mother Of All Pies

My internet service is free now?!?!? Sweeet.

41 nines09  Feb 26, 2015 7:31:59pm

re: #39 #FergusonFireside

O’Reilly has lied lied lied for years. How’d he get where he is? Amazing that it took Brian Williams for people to finally check & report.

I just want him to fall so hard it registers on the Richter Scale. In interior China. Yes it is amazing he is where he is, but then you look at the sideshow of “celebrities” and “personalities” and former washed up crackheads that flow in a steady stream on TV, and it’s no wonder. Just fall and go away.

42 freetoken  Feb 26, 2015 7:32:23pm

Louis Gates, Henry!
Lewinsky!
Ayers!
Muslim!
Atheist!
Sherrod!

43 Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2015 7:34:53pm
44 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 26, 2015 7:35:51pm

re: #17 Sionainn

Blue and black.

I can see how the light color might be blue, depending on what you think the lighting conditions were when the picture was taken. But I honestly don’t see any black in that image.

45 retired cynic  Feb 26, 2015 7:37:05pm

re: #44 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Doesn’t it just come in different colors? And people are looking at different versions? Am I stupid?

46 The Mountain That Blogs  Feb 26, 2015 7:37:12pm

EVER

47 Kragar  Feb 26, 2015 7:37:13pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

48 Snarknado!  Feb 26, 2015 7:39:44pm

re: #46 The Mountain That Blogs

They’ve forgotten about Obama’s executive orders re immigration already?

49 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 26, 2015 7:39:54pm

re: #47 Kragar

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The interview I conducted with Chuck Mangione when I was 14 was closer to journalism than anything Upchuck will ever manage.

50 Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2015 7:40:15pm
51 freetoken  Feb 26, 2015 7:40:41pm

Lynch!
Libya!
ATF gunwalking!
Memogate!
Amnesty!
Solyndra!

52 Jenner7  Feb 26, 2015 7:41:24pm

The color of a dress and llama’s are blowing up twitter and the news.

What. is. happening?

53 Kragar  Feb 26, 2015 7:41:41pm
54 BlueSpotinAL  Feb 26, 2015 7:42:16pm

re: #40 Jenner7

My internet service is free now?!?!? Sweeet.

WOMAN: Obama!

REPORTER: You got ObamaNet?

WOMAN: (screaming) Yes! Everybody in Cleveland, low minorities, got ObamaNet. Keep Obama in president, you know? He gave us free internet!

REPORTER: He gave you free internet?

WOMAN: He gonna do more!

REPORTER: How did he give you free internet?

WOMAN: FCC gave it to us. If you’re… If you on food stamps, you on Social Security, you got low income, you disability…

REPORTER: Okay, what’s wrong with RomneyNet, again?

WOMAN: RomneyNet sucks! Bad as Comcast!

55 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 26, 2015 7:42:17pm

What about the Lorenzo LLamas….

56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 26, 2015 7:43:53pm

re: #45 retired cynic

Doesn’t it just come in different colors? And people are looking at different versions? Am I stupid?

My impression was that all the discussion was about the picture here. No?

57 nines09  Feb 26, 2015 7:45:22pm

re: #56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

My impression was that all the discussion was about the picture here. No?

It depends on what drugs they are or are not on?

58 Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2015 7:47:19pm

re: #46 The Mountain That Blogs

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EVER

Another day, another dose of fear administered by Faux to its wingnut viewers.

59 Belafon  Feb 26, 2015 7:47:32pm

re: #55 RealityBasedSteve

Don’t make fun of Meap.

60 Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2015 7:47:37pm
61 lostlakehiker  Feb 26, 2015 7:48:20pm

Has the FCC released the 300-some page document? Fine print can be really important.

62 Jenner7  Feb 26, 2015 7:48:37pm

re: #56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I clicked on two different links and it first appears white and gold, then changed to blue and black.

63 #FergusonFireside  Feb 26, 2015 7:49:50pm

re: #55 RealityBasedSteve

What about the Lorenzo LLamas….

Embedded Image

That guy is a creep.

64 WhatEVs  Feb 26, 2015 7:50:30pm

re: #55 RealityBasedSteve

What about the Lorenzo LLamas….

Embedded Image

Fabio’s son? :-)

65 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 26, 2015 7:51:10pm

re: #62 Jenner7

I clicked on two different links and it first appears white and gold, then changed to blue and black.

I could see how two different links might lead to two different pictures. Which two links?

66 Kragar  Feb 26, 2015 7:51:43pm
67 #FergusonFireside  Feb 26, 2015 7:51:53pm

re: #56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

My impression was that all the discussion was about the picture here. No?

Someone is fucking with us. Really. When I first loaded the Daily mail site it was white gold. I scrolled down to read the tweets, scrolled up it was blue black.

nope.

68 Jenner7  Feb 26, 2015 7:52:19pm

re: #65 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Vox and the one you provided.

69 #FergusonFireside  Feb 26, 2015 7:52:58pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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Celebrating the Net Neutrality decision.

70 Jenner7  Feb 26, 2015 7:53:20pm

re: #67 #FergusonFireside

Same here.

71 WhatEVs  Feb 26, 2015 7:54:30pm

re: #56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

My impression was that all the discussion was about the picture here. No?

Looking at that full picture, you can see the white in the jacket. It, at first glance looks blue/gold(ish…more tan to me), but looking just at the jacket, I’m going with white over blue. I think the blue is due to lighting.

I see no, zero, zip black anywhere.

I defer to GDF, though. He’s the expert.

72 #FergusonFireside  Feb 26, 2015 7:55:20pm

The internet is being totally trolled by an optical illusion.

73 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 26, 2015 7:58:39pm

re: #72 #FergusonFireside

The internet is being totally trolled by an optical illusion.

It just looks like an optical illusion.

RBS

74 vgranucci  Feb 26, 2015 7:59:20pm

re: #4 lawhawk

It’s white and gold

75 ipsos  Feb 26, 2015 7:59:21pm

The gold and white pixels are bigger than the blue and black pixels.

LOOK AT THE HANDS, PEOPLE!!!

//

76 Belafon  Feb 26, 2015 8:02:55pm

re: #68 Jenner7

I’m pretty sure that dress is just justification for Comcast to be able to throttle the internet.

77 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Feb 26, 2015 8:03:35pm

re: #68 Jenner7

Vox and the one you provided.

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They look the same to me. Both gold plus a slightly bluish white.

78 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2015 8:05:23pm

I’m sure CCJ will be out any moment with a:

BREAKING! Weird Internet Dress is actually ORANGE AND PURPLE!

79 freetoken  Feb 26, 2015 8:06:19pm

Sowing in the morning, sowing seeds of self promotion,
Sowing in the noontide and the dewy eve;
Waiting for the internet, and the time of reaping,
We shall come tweeting, bringing in the llamas.

Bringing in the llamas, bringing in the llamas,
We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the llamas,
Bringing in the llamas, bringing in the llamas,
We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the llamas.

Sowing in the sunshine, sowing in the shadows,
Fearing neither the cloud nor winter’s climate change;
By and by the harvest, and the labor ended,
We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the llamas.

Going forth with weeping, sowing for the Master,
Though the loss sustained our spirit often grieves;
When our weeping’s over, He will bid us welcome,
We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the llamas.

80 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2015 8:06:39pm

Personally, when I look at just the bottom part of the dress it looks more black and blue, the full pic up close is clearly white and gold.

81 freetoken  Feb 26, 2015 8:07:08pm

My apologies to Knowles Shaw.

82 Kragar  Feb 26, 2015 8:11:05pm
83 Great White Snark  Feb 26, 2015 8:15:13pm

re: #71 WhatEVs

Looking at that full picture, you can see the white in the jacket. It, at first glance looks blue/gold(ish…more tan to me), but looking just at the jacket, I’m going with white over blue. I think the blue is due to lighting.

I see no, zero, zip black anywhere.

I defer to GDF, though. He’s the expert.

Right. Blue due to color balance adjustment in camera. Not at all uncommon.

84 Jenner7  Feb 26, 2015 8:16:46pm
85 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 26, 2015 8:20:28pm

UpChuck’s analysis of the Bill O’Leilly story is, as usual, not self-aware. He’s dissing “non-Internet media” for not checking facts.

Hahahaha!

86 #FergusonFireside  Feb 26, 2015 8:21:24pm

I saw white and gold all afternoon. Now all I see is blue and black.

What ev.

I filed 6 job applications for the East coast tonight. My quest has not ended.

Now I’m pooped.

Good night now!!!

87 jaunte  Feb 26, 2015 8:22:01pm

re: #68 Jenner7

its clearly white and gold

Is that gold Llamé?

88 WhatEVs  Feb 26, 2015 8:23:16pm

re: #86 #FergusonFireside

I saw white and gold all afternoon. Now all I see is blue and black.

What ev.

Good night now!!!

You rang? :-)

Good luck on your job search. And, good night.

89 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 8:26:58pm

Thank you Lizards for the wonderful support!

#24

61 karma points for one comment?!? I didn’t even think that was possible! Thank you all, I love you all for such lovely words!

I’m doing well. Almost everyone I work with knows where I’m at. I still need to tell my family, I’ll do that when I see them face-to-face, this shit’s too important for just a phone call.

I’m approaching 72 hours sans alcohol. I’ve definitely experienced some withdrawal symptoms, mostly digestive tract stuff (I swear my liver feels like a clenched fist in my chest, it’s not uncomfortable but it’s there) and a marked loss of appetite. Also it’s hard for me to fall asleep.

I wondered if I was going to experience serious withdrawal so I did some reading. Thankfully I think I’ll be okay as none of these are happening to me:

severe vomiting
confusion and disorientation
fever
hallucinations
extreme agitation
seizures or convulsions

Sure, I’m agitated, but I wouldn’t call it severe. :-D

Thank you all again for your support in my alcohol recovery. It means the world!

90 WhatEVs  Feb 26, 2015 8:28:23pm

re: #87 jaunte

Is that gold Llamé?

I don’t think so. Llame looks sort of like fake sequins, maybe shiny gold alligator with a very muted pattern …sorta. Shit, that’s hard to explain.

For that dress, the top (bodice) almost looks like a mesh, to give it a strapless feel. The rest looks old and very worn. Some areas (the smaller bands) looks like ribbon while other areas (the wider ones) look like lace.

91 WhatEVs  Feb 26, 2015 8:29:19pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

Good job! Congrats!! That’s awesome!!

92 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 8:30:06pm

I missed the KKK rall…*ahem* CPAC conference day one. Just perusing the stuff on the front page. Par for the course. Conservatives are divorced from reality and they’re very afraid of a great many things, things that aren’t WASP.

93 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 26, 2015 8:30:52pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

Thank you Lizards for the wonderful support!

#24

61 karma points for one comment?!? I didn’t even think that was possible! Thank you all, I love you all for such lovely words!

I’m doing well. Almost everyone I work with knows where I’m at. I still need to tell my family, I’ll do that when I see them face-to-face, this shit’s too important for just a phone call.

I’m approaching 72 hours sans alcohol. I’ve definitely experienced some withdrawal symptoms, mostly digestive tract stuff (I swear my liver feels like a clenched fist in my chest, it’s not uncomfortable but it’s there) and a marked loss of appetite. Also it’s hard for me to fall asleep.

I wondered if I was going to experience serious withdrawal so I did some reading. Thankfully I think I’ll be okay as none of these are happening to me:

Sure, I’m agitated, but I wouldn’t call it severe. :-D

Thank you all again for your support in my alcohol recovery. It means the world!

I meant what I said about talking to a doctor. Some of that shit can sneak up on your ass - and the actual worst time is roughly now to a week after the last drink. Perhaps stop by your clinic tomorrow?

Good luck and hang with it.

94 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 8:34:50pm

The only reason Republicans are against net neutrality is because Obama is for it. I mean, fuck, c’mon, look at Matt Drudge’s skimpy Twitter account.

Fucking delusional.

What’s the old joke? Obama should give a speech where he tells people to stop drinking water, then evolution can take its course.

95 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 26, 2015 8:41:56pm

The Science of CPAC…

It’s the only thing they know….

RBS

96 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 8:48:52pm

UpChuck likes cocaine.

97 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 26, 2015 8:49:57pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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It could be worse…

You could be Patricia Arquette.

Her twitter inbox is teh not-so-awesome right now.

98 Dark_Falcon  Feb 26, 2015 8:50:08pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

UpChuck likes cocaine.

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That explains a lot, actually.

99 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 8:51:51pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

That explains a lot, actually.

INORITE?!?

100 Dark_Falcon  Feb 26, 2015 8:52:09pm

re: #97 Aunty Entity Dragon

It could be worse…

You could be Patricia Arquette.

Her twitter inbox is teh not-so-awesome right now.

Believe me, she considers the Twitter hate worth the attention her remarks got her. Actresses and actors need to be visible to succeed, and they tend to be willing to face Twitter hate to fill that need.

101 allegro  Feb 26, 2015 8:57:08pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Believe me, she considers the Twitter hate worth the attention her remarks got her. Actresses and actors need to be visible to succeed, and they tend to be willing to face Twitter hate to fill that need.

Yeah, because an actress with a long successful career who just won an Oscar needs hate attention.

Please.

102 HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2015 8:58:57pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

UpChuck likes cocaine.

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He must be disappointed. He’ll never get to do cocaine with Andrew Breitbart.

103 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 8:59:40pm

Scrolling through my Twitter timeline as I haven’t seen it since noon.

Huh?!?
104 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 26, 2015 9:01:23pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

That explains a lot, actually.

And I thought he had a nervous tic

A screengrab from his This Week With video.

105 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 26, 2015 9:01:37pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Believe me, she considers the Twitter hate worth the attention her remarks got her. Actresses and actors need to be visible to succeed, and they tend to be willing to face Twitter hate to fill that need.

The debate going on with the Elon James White/Mikki Kendall twitter crowd is simply head scratchingly bizarre. “Intersectionality” seems to be the new sociology buzzword. That along with “erasure”.

Inartful comments at a backstage Oscar presser are one thing, but the folks who need righteous outrage will not be denied.

106 HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2015 9:06:21pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

The only reason Republicans are against net neutrality is because Obama is for it. I mean, fuck, c’mon, look at Matt Drudge’s skimpy Twitter account.

Fucking delusional.

What’s the old joke? Obama should give a speech where he tells people to stop drinking water, then evolution can take its course.

I think that was proven when the usual suspects in and outside of Congress responded to Obama’s declaration for support with reflexive opposition that showed they had no idea what NN was. I’m looking at you Ted and Rush.

107 Dark_Falcon  Feb 26, 2015 9:08:11pm

re: #101 allegro

Yeah, because an actress with a long successful career who just won an Oscar needs hate attention.

Please.

She’s gotten a good bit of positive coverage as well and that was what she was looking for. The Twitter hate is just an unfortunate by-product whose worst effects Patricia Arquette can avoid by having an assistant attend to her Twitter feed.

108 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 9:09:38pm
109 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 26, 2015 9:14:25pm

Gonna hit the sack. Good night, all.

110 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 9:15:39pm

Jumping fucking shitballs #TheDress is a huge goddamned deal in my Facebook feed! I’m just leaving this comment every time I see the dress, “It’s Hot Pink and Lime Green, what are you blind?!?”

Seriously, we’re reduced to this? Cat videos are way more fun.

111 allegro  Feb 26, 2015 9:17:43pm

re: #105 Aunty Entity Dragon

The debate going on with the Elon James White/Mikki Kendall twitter crowd is simply head scratchingly bizarre. “Intersectionality” seems to be the new sociology buzzword. That along with “erasure”.

Inartful comments at a backstage Oscar presser are one thing, but the folks who need righteous outrage will not be denied.

This goes waaaaaay back. I joined the first chapter of NOW that was just forming when I moved to Houston in 1973. I was, in fact, the first chapter secretary. We were all white women. Many of us were concerned about the lack of WOC and did our best to be inclusive but there just wasn’t any interest because WOC didn’t see us addressing what they felt were their specific issues.

We argued that issues of equality and equal opportunity were every woman’s issues, something I believed then and now. Yes, WOC have greater burdens without question and additional battles to fight - I never saw a reason why we couldn’t be supportive of those as well under a larger umbrella but others felt that fighting too many battles on too many fronts at once would dilute the efforts so that nothing would get done.

I got tired of the internal battles finally, since because of them little did get done and I felt like I could be more effective elsewhere. It saddens me to see this same battle still waging.

112 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 26, 2015 9:33:58pm

gotnwes.com translates Chuck’s latest screed into plain language.

Yup, Bill O’Reilly lied, and now we I will inject myself into the debate

113 bratwurst  Feb 26, 2015 9:34:03pm
114 HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2015 9:34:56pm

re: #112 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

gotnwes.com translates Chuck’s latest screed into plain language.

Yup, Bill O’Reilly lied, and now we I will inject myself into the debate

He always has to do that- inject himself into the debate.

115 BeachDem  Feb 26, 2015 9:35:45pm

I think it would be pretty funny if upchuck’s flight was cancelled tomorrow and he spent all of CPAC stuck in the DFW airport. OH, THE HUMANITY.

On another note, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is speaking at our state issues conference this weekend, and tomorrow night is an event where there’ll only be about 30-40 people there with her.

I would love to ask her what she really thinks about Bibi’s speech next week—hope I get the opportunity/can think of a tactful way to ask. Will report back. (Martin O’Malley is coming to the event as well—should be interesting.)

116 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 26, 2015 9:35:59pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

He always has to do that- inject himself into the debate.

I had to read it three times to understand what he was saying in parts.

117 HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2015 9:36:54pm

re: #116 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I had to read it three times to understand what he was saying in parts.

You’re much more adventurous than I. I can’t read him.

118 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 26, 2015 9:41:30pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

You’re much more adventurous than I. I can’t read him.

He needs an editor. Aside from the typos, his writing style is too stream-of-(un)consciousness for someone pretending to be a journalist. He rambles off into tangents, then switches to another topic before finishing the last one.

Also, he likes to refer to himself a lot.

119 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 9:46:18pm

re: #112 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I had yours and the real deal side by side for comparison. Nicely done! Translated to a T in plain English.

120 HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2015 9:49:06pm

re: #118 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

He needs an editor. Aside from the typos, his writing style is too stream-of-(un)consciousness for someone pretending to be a journalist. He rambles off into tangents, then switches to another topic before finishing the last one.

Also, he likes to refer to himself a lot.

Yeah he pretty much inverts everything I learned in journalism classes.

121 BeachDem  Feb 26, 2015 9:49:56pm

re: #118 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

He needs an editor. Aside from the typos, his writing style is too stream-of-(un)consciousness for someone pretending to be a journalist. He rambles off into tangents, then switches to another topic before finishing the last one.

Also, he likes to refer to himself a lot.

I think it all boils down to he’s a terrible writer.

122 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 26, 2015 9:57:31pm

Night all. Remember, if you say “Chuck C Johnson” three times in a dark bathroom while looking at the mirror… well, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

RBS

123 LastYearsMan  Feb 26, 2015 10:11:05pm

re: #121 BeachDem

The LA Times used to have the unofficial slogan, “There are two kinds of writers: bad writers and improving writers.” I really like that thought.

124 Timothy Watson  Feb 26, 2015 10:12:38pm

re: #84 Jenner7

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125 Amory Blaine  Feb 26, 2015 10:13:47pm

Fuck. I just discovered MASH on Netflix. 5 o’clock Charlie here I come.

126 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 26, 2015 10:24:06pm

re: #123 LastYearsMan

The LA Times used to have the unofficial slogan, “There are two kinds of writers: bad writers and improving writers.” I really like that thought.

It certainly resonates with me.

127 Kragar  Feb 26, 2015 10:26:17pm
128 TedStriker  Feb 26, 2015 10:26:32pm

re: #125 Amory Blaine

Fuck. I just discovered MASH on Netflix. 5 o’clock Charlie here I come.

And The Rockford Files, too.

129 Lidane  Feb 26, 2015 10:29:58pm
130 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 26, 2015 10:35:09pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

131 BeachDem  Feb 26, 2015 10:39:38pm

re: #130 GlutenFreeJesus

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Nit-picky, I know, but would someone tell AWARD-WINNING upchuck that media is a plural noun.

132 Kragar  Feb 26, 2015 10:47:50pm

New stalker to block and report @green_blobfish

133 Timothy Watson  Feb 26, 2015 10:50:03pm

For anyone interested, Europa Universalis IV and most of its DLC are on sale at 75% off on Steam right now.

(I’ve really lucked out when it comes to Paradox games, I was looking at Crusader Kings II a couple weeks ago but it was pretty expensive with the DLC, I go and look at it later in the same day and it and most of its DLC were 75% off then. I was planning on buying Europa Universalis IV when I get paid tomorrow anyway but now it’s on sale!

:D :D :D

134 Kragar  Feb 26, 2015 10:53:23pm

re: #133 Timothy Watson

For anyone interested, Europa Universalis IV and most of its DLC are on sale at 75% off on Steam right now.

(I’ve really lucked out when it comes to Paradox games, I was looking at Crusader Kings II a couple weeks ago but it was pretty expensive with the DLC, I go and look at it later in the same day and it and most of its DLC were 75% off then. I was planning on buying Europa Universalis IV when I get paid tomorrow anyway but now it’s on sale!

:D :D :D

GalCiv3 is also on sale for 50% off

135 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 11:14:44pm

Hah! Remember when Alex Jones talked about net neutrality? This nugget is a delicacy for the right wing connoisseur.

136 teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2015 11:45:00pm
137 freetoken  Feb 27, 2015 12:48:49am

Once upon a time the Electone was an in-thing….

MP3 Audio

138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 1:03:35am

re: #3 freetoken

The FCC would get more attention if they were fury and could be ridden by children at the local fair.

I would love to ride Fury at the local fair!!!

139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 1:06:10am

re: #44 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I can see how the light color might be blue, depending on what you think the lighting conditions were when the picture was taken. But I honestly don’t see any black in that image.

It was an ongoing thing with my ex that a lot of things I saw as dark blue appeared black to her. My oldest daughter has it, too.

140 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 1:09:14am

re: #28 Kragar

re: #28 Kragar

“awarded for personal acts of valor above and beyond the call of duty”

So, the short answer? No, he doesn’t rate one

“We’re not talking about the real Chris Kyle, we are talking about the American Icon of Freedom and 2nd Amendment Poster Child Chris Kyle!”

141 freetoken  Feb 27, 2015 1:28:57am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yeah, I know. Time had expired before I could change it to “furry”. It took a while to be recognized, though…

142 freetoken  Feb 27, 2015 1:33:00am
143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 1:53:05am

re: #141 freetoken

Yeah, I know. Time had expired before I could change it to “furry”. It took a while to be recognized, though…

I once got to ride on an M5 high-speed artillery tractor, closest I have ever come to riding in or on a tank

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2015 2:11:20am

The dress explained:

145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 2:22:23am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

The dress explained:

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It explains a lot about how people interact on the Internet, too.

Take a position, defend it at all costs. Don’t retreat, reload!!!

146 goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2015 2:23:10am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

The dress explained:

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Some idiot didn’t white balance their camera and this actually became a thing?

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2015 2:29:13am

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Some idiot didn’t white balance their camera and this actually became a thing?

apparently.
I missed all of it because of the llama drama.
:D

148 goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2015 2:35:53am

She probably selected “outdoor shade” but shot under “tungsten.” The camera internals think the subject is being lit by the blue sky, no direct sunlight, but in reality it’s being lit by a very “warm” low color temp tungsten filament. So the camera brain compensates by clipping out a shit load of the blue from the image thinking that it’s making everything neutral, but it’s really just pumping in a crapload of yellow into an image already lit by yellowish light. So the blue in the dress gets mostly cancelled out and only a bit of it remains. Since everything is slightly overexposed the areas in which the “black” goes anywhere above a zero value shift significantly yellow as well.

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2015 2:46:13am

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

I suppose the weird part of all of it is that the arguments were over the photo in the center (presumably that’s the original photo that went viral). People’s eyes were looking at the same photo and seeing it differently, as either the one on the left or the one on the right.

150 goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2015 2:47:04am

You know why some of the absolute best art handlers in the world are colorblind? Because they know their perceptions are bullshit and that the numbers don’t lie.

826E4B

R130 G110 B75

Trust me, it’s no accident that particular color of “gold” is what happens when you invert sky blue.

151 Varek Raith  Feb 27, 2015 2:49:18am

152 goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2015 2:57:21am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

I suppose the weird part of all of it is that the arguments were over the photo in the center (presumably that’s the original photo that went viral). People’s eyes were looking at the same photo and seeing it differently, as either the one on the left or the one on the right.

There’s still some yellow/gold contamination on the photo on the right. R56 G44 B30. A testament to how badly shifted the original image is. If the lighting and white balance were matched then those numbers would all be approximately equal. In a balanced set up “black with detail” and black over exposed into gray are still neutral. That’s not what happened here.

There’s still some obvious blue in the “white” areas. But the people who saw “gold” saw it because that’s what the file said was there. The numbers can be wrong, but they don’t lie.

153 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 3:03:08am

I heard someone on TV say some social media users are circulating the rumor that near-sighted people will see one image, and far-sighted the other. She seemed to accept this idea as a valid proposition.

I refrained from throwing something at the TV, though I wanted to.

154 wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2015 3:15:29am

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

You know why some of the absolute best art handlers in the world are colorblind? Because they know their perceptions are bullshit and that the numbers don’t lie.

826E4B

R130 G110 B75

Trust me, it’s no accident that particular color of “gold” is what happens when you invert sky blue.

Thanks. That’s the first explanation to account for why my multi-talented but colorblind college boyfriend decided to become a painter. He has work in the Portland (OR) Art museum permanent collection. He paints in black and white.

155 wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2015 3:27:33am
156 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 27, 2015 3:33:54am

re: #154 wrenchwench

Also explains why many of my best photographs are black and white as well. I’m not fully colorblind but I have enough red/green confusion that I prefer to work with shades of gray.

157 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 3:44:15am

re: #156 William Barnett-Lewis

Also explains why many of my best photographs are black and white as well. I’m not fully colorblind but I have enough red/green confusion that I prefer to work with shades of gray.

I hope more than 50. ///

Meanwhile, I just watched he first episode of Season 3 of “House of Cards”. On my grandson’s new Ultra HD Vizio “smart” TV. The Netflix button is right on the remote. Amazing clarity, amazing series and looking forward to seeing the other episodes soon.

I may have to go back and watch some more of Season 2, also, since I might have missed something.

158 wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2015 3:52:28am
159 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 3:57:12am

Third suspected accomplice arrested in Danish terror attack.

thelocal.dk

160 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 4:03:38am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Light blue and brown? That’s what it seems to me. If the brown is supposed to be gold, it’s not a very bright, shiny gold. Seeing it in person would probably convince me.

161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 4:03:49am

re: #158 wrenchwench

I have to admit I was finally sold on metric when somebody explained that the way they measure precipitation, namely in liters per square meter, also tells us how deep the water would be, since one liter spread over a square meter would be one millimeter deep.

F*ing brilliant.

Saying that it rained 1/8” inch tells us nothing about the volume per square anything.

162 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 4:05:17am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Maybe not, but it would tell you whether you need wellies or your regular shoes to walk in it. : )

163 wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2015 4:21:34am
164 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 4:23:10am

re: #163 wrenchwench

It’s a sunny day in London, so I went outside to enjoy the blue sky.

And spend some money, a Pound of Blue Sterling.

165 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 4:28:50am

Absolutely awful that this common pedophile got away with it for so many years. It makes you wonder just how many other girls are out there (in any location he was at) who suffered because he kept getting away with it. Sixteen years is a slap on the wrist and he may not even live long enough to serve the sentence. He had previously been jailed in Vietnam in 2006 for molesting 2 girls, ages 11 and 12 and arrested more than once for child pornography.

Former singer Gary Glitter, birth name Paul Gadd, jailed for 16 years for sex abuse against 3 girls between 1975 and 1980 - @BBCNews
read more on bbc.co.uk

166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 4:39:57am

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

Didn’t pop star/actor/author Rolf Harris also get done on similar charges?

167 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 4:40:56am
Chihuahua Mix Female or Ankle Biter : )

Looks pretty large, though, compared to my deceased mix who was only 10 lbs.
: )

168 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 4:42:43am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Didn’t pop star/actor/author Rolf Harris also get done on similar charges?

As did Jimmy Savile in England. Harris is apparently still the voice-over for NZ kid show. Hope they fix that soon.

169 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 4:43:37am

For your Friday morning enjoyment, Robert Sims sings “I Bought Me A Cat”

170 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 4:44:33am

James Taylor Bought A Cat too:

171 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 4:44:52am

Now you’ll have that song going through your head all day until you sing it out loud.

172 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 4:50:51am

Turkish police seal off street outside U.S. consulate, detain suspect

reuters.com

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 4:51:50am

re: #156 William Barnett-Lewis

Also explains why many of my best photographs are black and white as well. I’m not fully colorblind but I have enough red/green confusion that I prefer to work with shades of gray.

The nuts will be along shortly to label you a PINO. How dare you understand nuance and shades of gray!
//// ;P

174 Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2015 4:53:51am

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

The nuts will be along shortly to label you a PINO. How dare you understand nuance and shades of gray!
//// ;P

William openly proclaims himself to be a Progressive, so he cannot be called a RINO.

175 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2015 4:55:43am

In Missouri this morning:

Sheriff: Nine dead in Tyrone murder investigation

Nine persons have been killed in the Tyrone area, Texas County Sheriff James Sigman confirmed to the Houston Herald this morning.

Sigman said there are four confirmed crime scenes, a possible fifth location and a sixth outside of Texas County.

176 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 4:57:10am

Heh.

IRS watchdog investigating the disappearance of emails connected to former IRS director Lois Lerner tells House Oversight Committee they are looking into possible criminal activity - @cnnbrk
read more on cnn.com

(snip)

“There is potential criminal activity,” Treasury Deputy Inspector General Timothy Camus told the House Oversight Committee Thursday.

“Camus did not elaborate on who may have committed possile criminal acts. And, he cautioned that the investigation is not complete and cautioned against drawing conclusions until all the facts are in.

“What we’re looking at is potential criminal wrongdoing. This has the looks, feel and smells of being criminal. And the IG confirmed tonight that’s what they’re looking into,” House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz told CNN after the hearing.” More

Of course, Chaffetz is going to have his own agenda. Let the truth come out, though.

177 Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2015 4:57:50am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And spend some money, a Pound of Blue Sterling.

I’m just going to post a link to the celebrity gossip article on this whole ‘dress mess’ as my sole contribution to that discussion:

‘I feel like it’s a trick somehow’: Taylor Swift and Kim Kardashian join other celebrities in dress debate taking over the internet

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 4:58:08am

Good morning Lizards. Awoke this morning to snow falling in Philadelphia. Now just down to light flurries and no accumulation.

Both sets of Feline Overlords doing well. Tuxedo Cat being particularly annoying this morning - and taking out her frustrations on me and Chat Noir. Not sure if this is something relating to routine, food, or just cat being cat.

Neighbor’s Feline Overlords are glad to be visited and brought some yummy wet food. The shy one is now coming out right away to see me - amazing how they react to a temporary staff shortage.

(I am mildly tempted to switch cat sets right before my neighbors return. Though I am not sure they would really appreciate the joke.)

179 Teukka  Feb 27, 2015 4:58:21am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Missouri this morning:

Sheriff: Nine dead in Tyrone murder investigation

*shudders*

Man, it’s only 2 pm local, and I’m already at the “WTF is this world going” point in my news cycle. :(

180 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 4:58:37am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Lolwut? It’s “P”, for photographer, not “R”.

Have some more coffee.

181 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 4:58:50am

The dress comes in two styles: white & gold, and blue & black.

182 Doofus  Feb 27, 2015 5:00:57am

re: #176 Justanotherhuman

washingtontimes.com

The IRS’s inspector general confirmed Thursday it is conducting a criminal investigation into how Lois G. Lerner’s emails disappeared, saying it took only two weeks for investigators to find hundreds of tapes the agency’s chief had told Congress were irretrievably destroyed.

Investigators have already scoured 744 backup tapes and gleaned 32,774 unique emails, but just two weeks ago they found an additional 424 tapes that could contain even more Lerner emails, Deputy Inspector General Timothy P. Camus told the House Oversight Committee in a rare late-night hearing meant to look into the status of the investigation.

“There is potential criminal activity,” Mr. Camus said.

183 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 5:02:07am
BERLIN — Germany’s senior Jewish leader is suggesting that Jews shouldn’t wear the traditional skullcap (kippa) in areas with large Muslim populations.

Josef Schuster, the head of the Central Council of Jews, told rbb Inforadio Thursday that Jews in Germany generally feel safe, though security measures need to be evaluated frequently.

Schuster says that “hiding is not the right way” of dealing with worries about anti-Semitism.

But he says it’s right to ask whether, in areas with high Muslim populations in Berlin and elsewhere, “it really makes sense to identify oneself as a Jew by wearing a kippa, for example, or whether it’s better to wear different headgear there.”

ynetnews.com

This reminded me of something I read earlier about an experiment that a Swedish journalist conducted in Malmö:

npr.org

Over the past few years, the Swedish city of Malmo has earned a reputation for anti-Semitism. Members of Malmo’s small Jewish population say that walking in some of the city’s Muslim neighborhoods wearing a skull cap, a kepah, is to risk verbal abuse and possibly worse. Well, that risk has now been documented by Swedish television journalist Petter Ljunggren. Ljunggren wore a cap and also a Jewish star pendant in Malmo while secretly filming. One scene captures him fleeing a group of increasingly agitated young men as eggs are thrown at him from nearby windows. Later, a young man from that neighborhood describes how on that night, he’d gotten a text telling him to egg the Jews.

So the problem does exist and Schuster has a point. That said, the bigotry of some is now being used to fuel the general anti-Muslim/anti-immigrant sentiment, so it bears to quote what the reaction to that segment was:

Oh, the reactions were overwhelming really. I didn’t realize that I would get so many reactions. It was not only in the papers and in the media but also debates, you know, in the social medias - a lot of comments. And you could see it’s a very sensitive subject. And it’s a subject engaging people. And I must tell you a wonderful reactions. The representatives of the Muslim population in Malmo actually went to the rabbi, who is harassed. They went to him with flowers and a letter where it said, Malmo wouldn’t be whole without you. So, I mean, that’s a very positive reaction of course to my documentary

184 Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2015 5:03:53am

re: #176 Justanotherhuman

Heh.

IRS watchdog investigating the disappearance of emails connected to former IRS director Lois Lerner tells House Oversight Committee they are looking into possible criminal activity - @cnnbrk
read more on cnn.com

(snip)

“There is potential criminal activity,” Treasury Deputy Inspector General Timothy Camus told the House Oversight Committee Thursday.

“Camus did not elaborate on who may have committed possible criminal acts. And, he cautioned that the investigation is not complete and cautioned against drawing conclusions until all the facts are in.

“What we’re looking at is potential criminal wrongdoing. This has the looks, feel and smells of being criminal. And the IG confirmed tonight that’s what they’re looking into,” House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz told CNN after the hearing.” More

Of course, Chaffetz is going to have his own agenda. Let the truth come out, though.

Don’t be too hard on Jason Chaffetz. His openly acknowledged inspiration as Oversight Committee Chairman is the liberal (now-retired) Henry Waxman. So far, he has gone with a “more substance, less noise” compared to Darryl Issa. Chaffetz will go after Obama, to be sure, but he’s not going to go after utter BS.

IG Camus can trust Chairman Chaffetz to help him get this rock of an investigation up the hill. ;)

185 aagcobb  Feb 27, 2015 5:04:36am

The House GOP is beclowning itself again. Its come up with a plan to fund DHS for only three weeks so that the circus can resume all over again in March. House Democrats will oppose it, which means there is a good chance that Boehner will once again be humiliated by his own caucus rejecting his proposal. This will force him to rely on Democrats, again, to pass full year funding of DHS. Ironically, its Boehner’s willingness to be used as a punching bag for his far right members to take their impotent rage out on that keeps him in the Speaker’s chair.

186 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 5:09:09am

Wasn’t this drug gang responsible for a hell of a lot of murders, also?

Mexico police capture wanted drug kingpin Servando ‘La Tuta’ Gomez, notorious leader of Knights Templar cartel - @Reuters
end of alert

187 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 5:20:16am

re: #168 Justanotherhuman

As did Jimmy Savile in England. Harris is apparently still the voice-over for NZ kid show. Hope they fix that soon.

And as I recall, each of these scandals was made even more scandalous by the coveru-ps that surrounded them…seems to be a pattern.

188 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 5:32:57am

NO, DIPSHITS. THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU DIDN’T PAY THE PREMIUM FOR NETFLIX STREAMING THAT YOUR PROVIDER WOULD CHARGE YOU WITH NO NET NEUTRALITY.

189 Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2015 5:33:40am

Prominent American blogger who spoke out against religious extremism is hacked to death on Bangladeshi street as he walked with his wife

Avijit Roy was attacked by cleaver wielding gang in Dhaka, Bangladesh
Wife Rafida Ahmed was also critically injured and is in hospital
Unknown militant group Ansar Bangla 7 claimed responsibility for killing
Prominent blogger spoke out against religious extremism
Pair were set upon by gang after attending university book fair
Detectives have not made any arrests in connection with the attack

Bad as it sometimes is for honest bloggers in America, it can be far worse in other places in the world. Radical Islamists like the ones who committed this murder make Freepers look like a bunch of posers by comparison.

190 Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2015 5:36:27am

re: #188 The Mother Of All Pies

NO, DIPSHITS. THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU DIDN’T PAY THE PREMIUM FOR NETFLIX STREAMING THAT YOUR PROVIDER WOULD CHARGE YOU WITH NO NET NEUTRALITY.

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Forget it, Jake Alouette, it’s Chinatown a TGDN Texan.

“A TiGDeN Texan is beyond all logic and sanity.” - Dark_Falcon

191 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 5:38:55am

You’ll have to update me on the llama thing. What’s up with that?

192 Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2015 5:41:01am

Lara Logan earned the scorn of LGF for her nutty “BENGHAZI!!!” report, but I do hope she recovers from this swiftly:

CBS correspondent Lara Logan rushed to hospital with internal bleeding

I know her condition isn’t normally a major threat to life in a 1st World nation, but I thought it worth of note. Also posted in case UpChuck or any other assholes decide to use her misfortune to make ugly insults.

193 Justanotherhuman  Feb 27, 2015 5:42:59am

BBL

194 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 5:45:39am

re: #191 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

You’ll have to update me on the llama thing. What’s up with that?

Escapees in Arizona, led pursuers on a merry chase through suburbia, captured without bloodshed. Llama wranglers roped them.

Yee-haw!

195 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 5:47:34am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Lara Logan earned the scorn of LGF for her nutty “BENGHAZI!!!” report, but I do hope she recovers from this swiftly:

CBS correspondent Lara Logan rushed to hospital with internal bleeding

I know her condition isn’t normally a major threat to life in a 1st World nation, but I thought it worth of note. Also posted in case UpChuck or any other assholes decide to use her misfortune to make ugly insults.

She’s a human, so we wish her well. Also true of asshole Sheriff Mack, who resisted Obamacare so effectively that he is begging for cash to cover his and wife’s medical bills.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Get well soon, y’all.

196 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 5:48:58am

re: #194 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Sweet.

PS: “You can’t deal with the llamas, and you want to deal with Putin! Bwahahahaha!”////

197 Mattand  Feb 27, 2015 5:51:32am

re: #188 The Mother Of All Pies

NO, DIPSHITS. THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU DIDN’T PAY THE PREMIUM FOR NETFLIX STREAMING THAT YOUR PROVIDER WOULD CHARGE YOU WITH NO NET NEUTRALITY.

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Jesus, even for a Republican/conservative Twitter graphic, that one is bone stupid.

Not only is that not what net neutrality is about, any slowdowns in Netflix are often Netflix the ISPs themselves throttling the connection.

EDIT: Thanks, Tim Watson.

198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 5:55:34am

re: #191 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

You’ll have to update me on the llama thing. What’s up with that?

It was yesterday’s “Squirrel!” moment for America’s collective attention.

199 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 5:57:29am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It was yesterday’s “Squirrel!” moment for America’s collective attention.

That, and The Great Dress Color Debate. Sheesh.

200 darthstar  Feb 27, 2015 5:58:07am
201 Mattand  Feb 27, 2015 5:58:16am

re: #195 Decatur Deb

She’s a human, so we wish her well. Also true of asshole Sheriff Mack, who resisted Obamacare so effectively that he is begging for cash to cover his and wife’s medical bills.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Get well soon, y’all.

Just saw that one a few minutes ago. I really wish that these people recover, but WTF did you think was going to happen?

It’s just absolutely insane. I can’t imagine what the thought process was:

1) I will only purchase health insurance in a non-ACA environment, in which it is significantly more expensive, and I run the risk of being refused a policy due to a preexisting condition.

2) These people think that they are going to charity their way out of this hole, like they’re doing now. Which again brings up the whole hypocrisy of the conservative attitude for asking for help: look down their noses at people who seek assistance, until they’re the ones doing it.

3) Go in with the attitude of that’ll never happen to them.

This is why Republicans, as a whole, are become rapidly unfit to help run this country, practically at any level. Their take on big picture issues like healthcare border on naive and childish.

202 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 6:00:49am

re: #200 darthstar

Where’s the lil’ cute bottle for the baby-face? :)

203 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 6:00:52am

re: #201 Mattand

Churches will step in and take care of the unfortunate. We don’t need government interference!

204 darthstar  Feb 27, 2015 6:01:05am
205 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 6:04:20am

re: #201 Mattand

Just saw that one a few minutes ago. I really wish that these people recover, but WTF did you think was going to happen?

Just bring a chicken.

206 Timothy Watson  Feb 27, 2015 6:04:50am

re: #197 Mattand

Jesus, even for a Republican/conservative Twitter graphic, that one is bone stupid.

Not only is that not what net neutrality is about, any slowdowns in Netflix are often Netflix themselves throttling the connection.

To be fair, I think it was Comcast, throttled all Netflix traffic to Comcast customers while trying to extort money out of Netflix.

207 Mattand  Feb 27, 2015 6:07:05am

re: #206 Timothy Watson

To be fair, I think it was Comcast, throttled all Netflix traffic to Comcast customers while trying to extort money out of Netflix.

Yeah, you’re right. Verizon does it, too. That’s what I get for typing while irritated before I’ve had my glass of morning OJ. Thanks.

208 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 6:08:30am

Idiot in my Timeline==>

209 aagcobb  Feb 27, 2015 6:09:23am

On Vox, Ezra Klein pointed out that Hillary Clinton’s plan to bring bipartisanship back won’t work. Well duh, of course it won’t work. As long as the GOP sees obstructionism as politically advantageous, which it obviously is, there is no conceivable plan to make Congress work other than getting Democratic control of the House and a sixty seat majority in the Senate. But obviously Hillary can’t say that, so she has to spew some BS about bipartisanship.

210 Great White Snark  Feb 27, 2015 6:10:17am

re: #207 Mattand

They can whine about porn on one hand and guess what with the other…

Funny though ‘cause maybe not Netflix but ya still got Hulu, Apple TV, I mean look at the long list of streaming sources. Hell even CNN is a bandwidth hog with it’s video forward design.

211 aagcobb  Feb 27, 2015 6:13:32am

re: #208 The Mother Of All Pies

Idiot in my Timeline==>

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To be fair, telling them to get a better job was nonsense for years. But now Americans actually are quitting crappy jobs to get better ones because the job market has improved so much. That is why low wage retailers like Walmart and TJMaxx are finally having to give raises because the high turnover is killing their business. Raising the minimum wage is still a good idea though, and it won’t harm everyone else; it will help put more pressure on to raise their wages as well.

212 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 6:14:37am

I just put that idiot on mute, not interested in responding to its multi-Tweet Ayn Rand talking points.

213 Mattand  Feb 27, 2015 6:15:03am

re: #210 Great White Snark

They can whine about porn on one hand and guess what with the other…

Funny though ‘cause maybe not Netflix but ya still got Hulu, Apple TV, I mean look at the long list of streaming sources. Hell even CNN is a bandwidth hog with it’s video forward design.

According to this Variety article from November 2014, Netflix is eating up 35% of the internet’s bandwidth. What’s stunning is that YouTube is only accounting for nearly half of that.

Also, can I get a “Screw Hulu” for offering a paid subscription that still makes you sit through commercials?

214 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 6:15:47am

I hate starting off the morning with bad news, but I suspect it’s going to get a whole lot more grim:

215 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 6:16:32am

You know what can cut down on bandwidth?
GET RID OF FREAKING AUTOPLAY!

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2015 6:17:34am

re: #214 lawhawk

I hate starting off the morning with bad news, but I suspect it’s going to get a whole lot more grim:

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I mentioned that earlier this morning. Sheriff will have a presser:

217 Kryptik  Feb 27, 2015 6:17:41am

re: #188 The Mother Of All Pies

It’s amazing how they can contort themselves into believing net neutrality will cause the very same thing that ISPs were already doing and trying to implement wholesale and that net neutrality policies were meant to curb.

But hey, these are the assholes that believe that trickle down actually trickles down more than piss on the proles’ heads.

218 Bass Reeves  Feb 27, 2015 6:18:27am

re: #105 Aunty Entity Dragon

Intersectionality isn’t exactly a new word, and I think it’s probably a helpful concept for the progressive movement. What the other sites I read were critical about was that it seemed Arquette didn’t think that POC and the LGBTQ communities were not already acting on behalf of women, literally because of intersectionality. So her comment was seen as ‘All y’all need to start looking out for white women.’ She probably didn’t intend that, so I’m sure she wouldn’t be upset for someone to point it out to her. Her twitter defenders went to the ‘well I’ve been helping YOU PEOPLE for so long route’, which then made me go get the popcorn. I actually saw an allegedly long time progressive claim she had never benefited from white privilege, or if she had it was unintentional. She ended up having to delete the comments on that post.

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 6:19:01am

re: #215 The Mother Of All Pies

You know what can cut down on bandwidth?
GET RID OF FREAKING AUTOPLAY!

Autoplay is why speakers are default off on my laptop when browsing.

220 darthstar  Feb 27, 2015 6:19:24am

re: #214 lawhawk

I hate starting off the morning with bad news, but I suspect it’s going to get a whole lot more grim:

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Just saw that. Fuck.

221 Bass Reeves  Feb 27, 2015 6:19:35am

re: #213 Mattand

<
Also, can I get a “Screw Hulu” for offering a paid subscription that still makes you sit through commercials?

Screw. Hulu.

Also for offering seasons but if you miss the first couple of episodes, they take them off the service so you can’t go back and watch them.

222 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 6:21:02am

re: #221 Bass Reeves

Screw. Hulu.

Also for offering seasons but if you miss the first couple of episodes, they take them off the service so you can’t go back and watch them.

Wasn’t Hulu’s goal to turn the brains of Americans to tapioca so that it was earlier and tastier for the hidden alien overlords to consume? Or did they give that up since FOX had already cornered that market?
///

223 darthstar  Feb 27, 2015 6:22:19am
224 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 6:24:13am

re: #223 darthstar

Llamas in dresses.

Just imagine if they had been gold and blue instead of black and white…America’s collective attention span would have imploded.

225 darthstar  Feb 27, 2015 6:24:18am
226 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2015 6:24:35am

heh:

227 darthstar  Feb 27, 2015 6:25:13am

re: #224 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Just imagine if they had been gold and blue instead of black and white…America’s collective attention span would have imploded.

My favorite tweet yesterday was one that said, “76% of Republicans think the black llama doesn’t love America while 82% think the white llama does.”

228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 6:26:38am

re: #227 darthstar

My favorite tweet yesterday was one that said, “76% of Republicans think the black llama doesn’t love America while 82% think the white llama does.”

This site also pointed out that Black Llama was a thug while the White Llama was a lone wolf with psychological issues.

229 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 6:29:35am

re: #215 The Mother Of All Pies

You know what can cut down on bandwidth?
GET RID OF FREAKING AUTOPLAY!

Fuck yeah. I hate the news sites that do it.

230 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 6:33:33am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh:

If they were on fire - you would be in West Virigina.
//

231 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 6:34:51am

Oh, and the GOP is about to shut down DHS, and some of them are saying that’s no big deal.

It’s not surprising that is the case, considering that the GOP had no problem shutting down government back in 2013. This party has every intention on shredding government by hook and crook. It’s in their DNA, and if they shut down DHS, they don’t care that the essential workers are going to go without pay while working either.

Because the GOP doesn’t care about workers’ rights either given their willingness to gut employee protections across the board, refusing to raise the minimum wage, opposing ACA, opposing sick leave, parental leave, etc.

232 danarchy  Feb 27, 2015 6:35:04am

re: #229 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Fuck yeah. I hate the news sites that do it.

Not as bad as pop-unders that automatically start playing audio. I got one of those here at LGF the other day, was very disappointed.

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 6:35:17am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This site also pointed out that Black Llama was a thug while the White Llama was a lone wolf with psychological issues.

I thought the poll was delayed since the pollees were undecided since they had not heard Obama’s stance on Llama Neutrality and then been issued talking points by Limbaugh Central.
//

234 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 6:35:57am
235 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 27, 2015 6:36:51am

I’m enjoying the net neutrality ruling while it lasts. The cable companies want this overturned and they will spend whatever it takes to accomplish that end. Net neutrality will be undone by money, just as even the modest gun regulations were undone by money.

Because of the demonstrated ignorance surrounding net neutrality it’s a natural issue for the GOP and it’s nominee in the all too upcoming election.

236 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 6:37:10am

re: #234 lawhawk

It’s not serious until you put American boots on the ground with supporting contractors there.
//

237 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 6:39:07am

re: #231 lawhawk

Oh, and the GOP is about to shut down DHS, and some of them are saying that’s no big deal.

It’s not surprising that is the case, considering that the GOP had no problem shutting down government back in 2013. This party has every intention on shredding government by hook and crook. It’s in their DNA, and if they shut down DHS, they don’t care that the essential workers are going to go without pay while working either.

Because the GOP doesn’t care about workers’ rights either given their willingness to gut employee protections across the board, refusing to raise the minimum wage, opposing ACA, opposing sick leave, parental leave, etc.

Would the appropriate Obama troll of Congress for a DHS de-funding be an announcement that the US Border Patrol on the Mexican border has to be cut back immediately due to having no budget?

238 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 6:40:03am

re: #231 lawhawk

Because the GOP doesn’t care about workers’ rights either given their willingness to gut employee protections across the board, refusing to raise the minimum wage, opposing ACA, opposing sick leave, parental leave, etc.

Government workers are even lower in their sight than unskilled private-sector labor.

239 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 6:40:20am

re: #237 Feline Fearless Leader

It would, but the President wont play that game. He’s too mature to engage in that kind of response that would actually reduce national security more than the GOP shutdown would accomplish.

240 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 6:42:32am

re: #218 Bass Reeves

It’s not a new word, but why did anyone think that this academic term has any relevance to what Arquette said? I’ve seen people willfully misinterpret her words, e.g. that her mentioning “women” and “gay people” individually meant that by women she only meant straight women - even though her logical operator “or” was obviously inclusive (think Venn diagrams), not exclusive. Logic 101 fail.

that it seemed Arquette didn’t think that POC and the LGBTQ communities were not already acting on behalf of women, literally because of intersectionality

Maybe it seemed that way to those who had never actually read what she said? Because she started with the group “women” and by this mislogic she also said that women were not already acting on behalf of women.

Could it be that all this brouhaha is because some people simply have awful comprehension skills?

PS: All that aside, am I the only one that thinks that using abbreviations like “PoC” and “WoC” to describe groups of people is denigrating, even if unintentionally? Is it really that hard to type out “women of color”?

241 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 6:43:02am

re: #232 danarchy

Not as bad as pop-unders that automatically start playing audio. I got one of those here at LGF the other day, was very disappointed.

You should tell Charles.

242 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 6:43:37am

re: #240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

PS: All that aside, am I the only one that thinks that using abbreviations like “PoC” and “WoC” to describe groups of people is denigrating, even if unintentionally? Is it really that hard to type out “women of color”?

Twitter 140-char limit

243 Emoprog Refugee  Feb 27, 2015 6:45:19am

re: #4 lawhawk

Leaving us more time to decide the truly important things.

Is that dress blue/black, or white and gold.

I vote… fugly. /

Seriously, that’s an awful photo via a crappy phone camera and the lighting is why some people might be mistaken as to the color.

It is blue/black.

Yes, it is fugly, however, it is not just a crappy pic. My daughter sent that thing to me last night. I’ve got a nice experimental group of 5 at my house. Mr. and my eldest son both see it as blue and black. Youngest son and I see only white and bronze. Daughter who sent it can see both, depending on the lighting.

Eldest son stuck the damned thing in Paint to show me the actual colors using that grab a sample of the color and drag it off somewhere away from the fugly dress tool. (I’m sure there’s a better name for that tool, but not enough coffee yet). Anyway, it is NOT the crappy phone camera and lighting. It’s the cones in our eyes. We can’t do subtractive mixing. The white is wedgewood blue, and the bronze is charcoal, greenish black.

And yeah. I feel all inferior now.

244 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 6:45:39am

re: #242 The Mother Of All Pies

Twitter 140-char limit

I’m not talking about twitter, though even there it’s not a big problem.

245 Dr. Matt  Feb 27, 2015 6:46:32am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Lara Logan earned the scorn of LGF for her nutty “BENGHAZI!!!” report, but I do hope she recovers from this swiftly:

CBS correspondent Lara Logan rushed to hospital with internal bleeding

I know her condition isn’t normally a major threat to life in a 1st World nation, but I thought it worth of note. Also posted in case UpChuck or any other assholes decide to use her misfortune to make ugly insults.

Will CCJ and his parasitic cult make fun of Logan’s hospitalization like they did with Marie Harf’s prior medical history? Will they claim such a hospitalization is linked to her current mental health?

246 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 6:54:08am

Morning levity:

247 Timothy Watson  Feb 27, 2015 6:54:40am

re: #215 The Mother Of All Pies

You know what can cut down on bandwidth?
GET RID OF FREAKING AUTOPLAY!

That’s why I’ve disabled Flash autostarting in Chrome, anything I want to see has to be clicked on before Flash starts.

248 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 7:00:38am
249 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 27, 2015 7:01:25am

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

She probably selected “outdoor shade” but shot under “tungsten.” The camera internals think the subject is being lit by the blue sky, no direct sunlight, but in reality it’s being lit by a very “warm” low color temp tungsten filament. So the camera brain compensates by clipping out a shit load of the blue from the image thinking that it’s making everything neutral, but it’s really just pumping in a crapload of yellow into an image already lit by yellowish light. So the blue in the dress gets mostly cancelled out and only a bit of it remains. Since everything is slightly overexposed the areas in which the “black” goes anywhere above a zero value shift significantly yellow as well.

xkcd.com

250 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 7:05:10am

re: #236 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s not serious until you put American boots on the ground with supporting contractors there.
//

Not really serious until you put in the PX annex with Baskin Robbins and Burger King.

251 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2015 7:05:41am

When punctuation is abused:

252 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 7:08:51am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

When punctuation is abused:

A real walking dead guy

253 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 7:09:06am

re: #240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Inclusive OR: upload.wikimedia.org

Exclusive OR: upload.wikimedia.org

254 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 7:09:50am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shooter’s in pieces…

The police claim that the shooter was found dead, though they’re reporting that there may be even more crime scenes involved.

255 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 7:12:06am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

xkcd.com

xkcd.com

One xkcd deserves another.
:D

256 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 7:12:40am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

When punctuation is abused:

We knew cloning was going to lead to a bad end.
/

257 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 7:15:05am
258 Bass Reeves  Feb 27, 2015 7:17:47am

re: #240 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

It’s not a new word, but why did anyone think that this academic term has any relevance to what Arquette said? I’ve seen people willfully misinterpret her words, e.g. that her mentioning “women” and “gay people” individually meant that by women she only meant straight women - even though her “or” logical operator was obviously inclusive (think Venn diagrams), not exclusive. Logic 101 fail.

I’m not sure how that is a logic fail. Here is the direct quote:

It’s time for all the women in America, and all the men that love women and all the gay people and all the people of color that we’ve all fought for — to fight for us now!

She set up distinct groups: women, men that love women, gay people, people of color. Inclusive language in that context would be along the lines of ‘Everyone in America, no matter your race, gender identity, or sexual orientation…’. I agree that in a Venn diagram those groups intersect. That is actually the point of her critics.

Also, I disagree that it is an academic term in the sense that it is only useful in an academic context. The whole point of making that term commonplace is so that it draws more people into these issues. Intersectionality means that everyone should care about the rights of everyone else, which I assume is one of the planks of the progressive movement.

I just think it fascinating that this whole argument started over nuance in language, but then some fairly prominent people got real ugly (full disclosure: I don’t think Elon James White is one of the people who got ugly).

259 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 7:18:29am

re: #257 The Mother Of All Pies

It has been criticized for championing alleged senior al-Qaeda member Anwar al-Awlaki, who has been linked to various terrorists and who counselled two of the 9/11 hijackers. He was invited to address Cageprisoners’ Ramadan fundraising dinners in 2008 and 2009, and Cageprisoners features much material about him on its website.[3]

260 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 7:19:35am

re: #258 Bass Reeves

I’m not sure how that is a logic fail. Here is the direct quote:

She set up distinct groups: women, men that love women, gay people, people of color.

Nowhere did she imply that these groups don’t intersect. This is the logic fail of the critics.

261 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 7:22:43am

re: #258 Bass Reeves

I’m not sure how that is a logic fail. Here is the direct quote:

She set up distinct groups: women, men that love women, gay people, people of color that we’ve fought for. Inclusive language in that context would be along the lines of ‘Everyone in America, no matter your race, gender identity, or sexual orientation…’. I agree that in a Venn diagram those groups intersect. That is actually the point of her critics.

Also, I disagree that it is an academic term in the sense that it is only useful in an academic context. The whole point of making that term commonplace is so that it draws more people into these issues. Intersectionality means that everyone should care about the rights of everyone else, which I assume is one of the planks of the progressive movement.

I just think it fascinating that this whole argument started over nuance in language, but then some fairly prominent people got real ugly (full disclosure: I don’t think Elon James White is one of the people who got ugly).

Arguing over the political savvy of an actress is like paying to see Bernie Sanders perform Nabucco twice.

262 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 7:26:27am

Patricia Arquette should have had a professional political speech writer prepare her acceptance speech, and also read it from the teleprompter instead of that crumpled up sheet of paper.//

263 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 7:26:59am

re: #258 Bass Reeves

Inclusive language in that context would be along the lines of ‘Everyone in America, no matter your race, gender identity, or sexual orientation…’.

I don’t think it was her point to appeal to everyone. I think it is clear from her list of groups that her point was to appeal to what she sees as a naturally progressive base.

264 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 7:27:25am

Sheesh.

265 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 7:27:50am

re: #262 The Mother Of All Pies

Patricia Arquette should have had a professional political speech writer prepare her acceptance speech, and also read it from the teleprompter instead of that crumpled up sheet of paper.//

We continue to confuse actors with politicians all the time. To the point that we even elect them to public office. We really need to learn the distinction between entertainers and leaders.

266 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 7:28:41am

re: #262 The Mother Of All Pies

Patricia Arquette should have had a professional political speech writer prepare her acceptance speech, and also read it from the teleprompter instead of that crumpled up sheet of paper.//

She should have gracefully thanked all the little people who got her to the pinnacle.

267 Bass Reeves  Feb 27, 2015 7:29:31am

re: #260 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

That is true only if you are unaware or ignore the interaction between white women and women of color in the feminist movement.

Arguing over the political savvy of an actress is like paying to see Bernie Sanders perform Nabucco twice.

I agree, however WATCHING people argue over the political savvy of an actress is like paying to see someone GOOD perform something GOOD. Also, I really don’t think her words were more than awkward framing, and the original critique was just that she chose her words poorly. It’s blown up mostly because some of her defenders have large platforms and defended her unnecessarily and just…not well.

268 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 7:29:49am
After the Osama bin Laden was killed in an American raid in May 2011, Cageprisoners published an editorial written as news satire. Dated 15 May 2021, it announced “American War Criminal Barack Obama has been killed by Pakistani security forces in the UK.” [26]

Nice group you’re quoting there, Glenny boy.

269 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 7:30:59am

re: #267 Bass Reeves

That is true only if you are unaware or ignore the interaction between white women and women of color in the feminist movement.

I disagree that this condition applies.

270 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 7:31:49am

re: #267 Bass Reeves

It’s blown up mostly because some of her defenders have large platforms and defended her unnecessarily and just…not well.

Maybe, but lots of her critics were plain awful.

271 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 7:31:52am

re: #267 Bass Reeves

That is true only if you are unaware or ignore the interaction between white women and women of color in the feminist movement.

I agree, however WATCHING people argue over the political savvy of an actress is like paying to see someone GOOD perform something GOOD. Also, I really don’t think her words were more than awkward framing, and the original critique was just that she chose her words poorly. It’s blown up mostly because some of her defenders have large platforms and defended her unnecessarily and just…not well.

Tempest in a C-cup.

272 bratwurst  Feb 27, 2015 7:31:55am
273 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 7:32:30am
274 Bass Reeves  Feb 27, 2015 7:34:56am

re: #269 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

So…you are aware of the tension then and still don’t see how the reaction could have been less than favorable? Or you just disagree that it is a condition?

275 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 7:37:51am

re: #274 Bass Reeves

So…you are aware of the tension then and still don’t see how the reaction could have been less than favorable? Or you just disagree that it is a condition?

Once again: there is no implication in her listing of groups that they do not intersect. This does not depend on whether there are tensions between white and non-white feminists.

276 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 7:38:48am

So on top of Scott Walker’s other budget insanities, which include $300 million higher education cuts while providing $250 million in loans to build a stadium for a billionaire, he’s calling on colleges and universities to stop reporting sex assaults on campus.

Wait. What?

This is the GOP “leader” of the day.

277 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 7:41:44am

*headdesk*

What that means is Republicans are going to find a way to continue paying subsidies to the estimated 7.5 million Americans who receive taxpayer-funded help to pay their insurance premiums through the federal Obamacare exchange.

The prospect of seeing those people lose their subsidies — even though some have received them for a short period of time, and even though Obamacare has imposed burdensome costs on many other Americans — is just too much for Republican lawmakers to risk.

So if you’re just going to pay the subsidies anyway, what the fuck has been the goddamn point of almost 60 attempts to repeal the law? Why bother with lawsuits or any of it?

Assholes.

278 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 7:42:49am

re: #276 lawhawk

So on top of Scott Walker’s other budget insanities, which include $300 million higher education cuts while providing $250 million in loans to build a stadium for a billionaire, he’s calling on colleges and universities to stop reporting sex assaults on campus.

Wait. What?

This is the GOP “leader” of the day.

Just DELETE everything.

279 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 7:43:45am

We are not exactly talking about a peer-reviewed paper in the Journal of Formal Logic here, folks. Demanding that every i be dotted and t crossed here is unreasonable.

280 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 7:44:01am

re: #277 Lidane

*headdesk*

[Embedded content]

So if you’re just going to pay the subsidies anyway, what the fuck has been the goddamn point of almost 60 attempts to repeal the law? Why bother with lawsuits or any of it?

Assholes.

Frum does realize that the official name of the legislation isn’t Obamacare right? Right?

281 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 7:44:46am

re: #276 lawhawk

So on top of Scott Walker’s other budget insanities, which include $300 million higher education cuts while providing $250 million in loans to build a stadium for a billionaire, he’s calling on colleges and universities to stop reporting sex assaults on campus.

[Embedded content]

Wait. What?

This is the GOP “leader” of the day.

Just when I thought he couldn’t be any more of an asshole for likening teachers unions to ISIL, he comes up with this. Fuck off Scotty.

282 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 7:44:56am

re: #277 Lidane

*headdesk*

So if you’re just going to pay the subsidies anyway, what the fuck has been the goddamn point of almost 60 attempts to repeal the law? Why bother with lawsuits or any of it?

Assholes.

Don’t worry, there will be an effort in about 10-20 years to rewrite all the history books. G W Bush will be the 2nd 4-term POTUS.
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283 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 7:47:06am

We’re missing some cosmic CPAC humor, here:

FRIDAY

8:00 a.m. - Newt Gingrich
8:30 a.m. - Laura Ingraham
8:40 a.m. - Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
9:00 a.m. - Former Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX)
10:20 a.m. - Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)
11:00 a.m. - Sean Hannity
11:15 a.m. - Reince Priebus, RNC Chair
12:00 p.m. - Donald Trump
12:20 p.m. - Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
12:40 p.m. - Phil Robertson, Duck Dynasty
1:20 p.m. - Wayne LaPierre, National Rifle Association
1:40 p.m. - Former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)
4:20 p.m. - Former Amb. John Bolton

284 Jenner7  Feb 27, 2015 7:47:31am

re: #277 Lidane

Because they want to claim it for themselves. Pretty evil, if ya ask me.

285 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 7:49:05am

re: #277 Lidane

*headdesk*

So if you’re just going to pay the subsidies anyway, what the fuck has been the goddamn point of almost 60 attempts to repeal the law? Why bother with lawsuits or any of it?

Assholes.

It didn’t sound to me like there was much of a plan to continue the subsidies. Maybe York is trying to spin something.

286 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 7:49:49am

re: #284 Jenner7

Because they want to claim it for themselves. Pretty evil, if ya ask me.

I think that’s their only problem with ACA. OBAMA MAY GET CREDIT FOR DOING SOMETHING GOOD, WE CAN’T HAVE THAT. You know what they could have done but they didn’t because they’re cowards and beholden to a base of petty bigots, they could have supported ACA when it was in Congress. But nah they have to be pathetic hacks because of their lunatic base that hates anything Obama proposes.

287 aagcobb  Feb 27, 2015 7:50:14am

re: #276 lawhawk

So on top of Scott Walker’s other budget insanities, which include $300 million higher education cuts while providing $250 million in loans to build a stadium for a billionaire, he’s calling on colleges and universities to stop reporting sex assaults on campus.

[Embedded content]

Wait. What?

This is the GOP “leader” of the day.

Brilliant solution to the sexual assault problem; if you don’t report them, they didn’t happen. He’s a problem solver!//

288 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 7:50:31am

re: #277 Lidane

Because Obamacare doesn’t have quite the ring that say RomneyCare would.

They hate the fact that it was a Democrat who enacted legislation that was modeled entirely on a GOP idea and the whole individual mandate was modeled on the Heritage plan for personal responsibility.

But the moment Obama tied his support to it, the GOP turned it into a shitshow of epic proportions and that it must be destroyed at all costs, even though the preexisting system of health insurance was a total failure and uninsureds were driving hospitals to bankruptcy and pushing all those costs on to those who have insurance and the means to pay.

The ACA begins a process of transparency on costs, which in theory should help reduce costs since you can now see what procedures and items cost before you use them. That’s a work in progress, but getting more people into private insurance (which the ACA does through marketplace insurance) and through Medicaid expansion (which most GOP states have so far refused to do) means more people are insured when they have to engage a health practitioner. And those people can now see doctors before minor issues become major expenses, they aren’t refused insurance because of preexisting conditions, and dependents can stay on parents’ insurance until age 26.

The GOP wants to undo all of that, all to get Obama’s name off the program.

I used to joke that if Romney won in 2016, the first and only legislation he would demand and get from Congress is a rename of Obamacare to Romneycare, and the GOP would drop the issue entirely. Then again, the GOP is that destitute of facts, logic, and compassion, that they’d simply repeal Obamacare without any alternatives - and that’s their current situation. Their alternative is vaporware and malware masquerading as rhetoric.

289 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 7:50:56am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

We’re missing some cosmic CPAC humor, here:

FRIDAY

8:00 a.m. - Newt Gingrich
8:30 a.m. - Laura Ingraham
8:40 a.m. - Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
9:00 a.m. - Former Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX)
10:20 a.m. - Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)
11:00 a.m. - Sean Hannity
11:15 a.m. - Reince Priebus, RNC Chair
12:00 p.m. - Donald Trump
12:20 p.m. - Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
12:40 p.m. - Phil Robertson, Duck Dynasty
1:20 p.m. - Wayne LaPierre, National Rifle Association
1:40 p.m. - Former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)
4:20 p.m. - Former Amb. John Bolton

I thought yesterday was the wingnut “B” Team. Maybe I was wrong: this group is pretty weak tea, except for Jeb.

And Phil Robertson? What a f0cking joke. Although this f0cking joke is running things in congress.

290 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 7:53:05am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

We’re missing some cosmic CPAC humor, here:

FRIDAY

8:00 a.m. - Newt Gingrich
8:30 a.m. - Laura Ingraham
8:40 a.m. - Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
9:00 a.m. - Former Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX)
10:20 a.m. - Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)
11:00 a.m. - Sean Hannity
11:15 a.m. - Reince Priebus, RNC Chair
12:00 p.m. - Donald Trump
12:20 p.m. - Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
12:40 p.m. - Phil Robertson, Duck Dynasty
1:20 p.m. - Wayne LaPierre, National Rifle Association
1:40 p.m. - Former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)
4:20 p.m. - Former Amb. John Bolton

Good grief. Phil Robertson, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump. Only one missing is Joe the Plumber and then you’d have the perfect quartet of stupid.

291 GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 27, 2015 7:53:17am

For anyone that follows pro basketball, specifically the Chicago Bulls…

292 BeachDem  Feb 27, 2015 7:54:29am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

We’re missing some cosmic CPAC humor, here:

FRIDAY

8:00 a.m. - Newt Gingrich
8:30 a.m. - Laura Ingraham
8:40 a.m. - Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
9:00 a.m. - Former Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX)
10:20 a.m. - Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)
11:00 a.m. - Sean Hannity
11:15 a.m. - Reince Priebus, RNC Chair
12:00 p.m. - Donald Trump
12:20 p.m. - Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
12:40 p.m. - Phil Robertson, Duck Dynasty
1:20 p.m. - Wayne LaPierre, National Rifle Association
1:40 p.m. - Former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)
4:20 p.m. - Former Amb. John Bolton

I notice Laura only gets 10 minutes and Randy gets 40 (or maybe there’s a bathroom break before folks have to come back and listen to Hannity.)

And the noon to two lineup is really puke inducing—the hairball, the santorum, the duck screamer and the NRA mouthpiece. Jeb will sound like a genius after that bunch.

293 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 7:54:35am

re: #290 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Good grief. Phil Robertson, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump. Only one missing is Joe the Plumber and then you’d have the perfect quartet of stupid.

Perry will outline his Three Point Plan.

294 Bass Reeves  Feb 27, 2015 7:54:40am

re: #275 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The tension that exists between white and non-white feminists is literally that in the past white feminists have intentionally or unintentionally excluded non-white feminists. So when her backstage comments are parsed through that lens by people who own that point of view, her comments were viewed by them as worthy of criticism. I do agree it is a fairly small matter in the overall scheme of things, but sometimes people can’t accept any criticism, no matter how tiny. Ah well.

Off to work, where if I tried to have a discussion about this I’d get ‘er…movies?’

295 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 7:55:32am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Paul’s time has been changed because of a Senate vote (I’m thinking that’s the DHS vote).

296 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 7:55:48am

I think The Donald flirts with a presidential candidacy every year to make sure he can count on an invite from CPAC.

297 BeachDem  Feb 27, 2015 7:56:58am

re: #295 lawhawk

Paul’s time has been changed because of a Senate vote (I’m thinking that’s the DHS vote).

What? You mean actually doing their jobs is more important than pandering to the loons? What a world!

298 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 7:57:41am

re: #292 BeachDem

Has John Bolton’s mustache thrown his hat into the ring yet?

299 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 7:58:05am

re: #295 lawhawk

Paul’s time has been changed because of a Senate vote (I’m thinking that’s the DHS vote).

Or he’s doing doing a laser keratotomy on a half-blind rescue kitten.

300 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 7:58:27am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Frum does realize that the official name of the legislation isn’t Obamacare right? Right?

They made sure that the name was associated with Obama so that they could revel in its failure. now that they see its success, they want to try and strip the name that they so assiduously attached to it.

301 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 7:59:11am

re: #287 aagcobb

Brilliant solution to the sexual assault problem; if you don’t report them, they didn’t happen. He’s a problem solver!//

That was pretty much the case until a few years ago, and it worked just fine.

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 7:59:59am

re: #288 lawhawk

Because Obamacare doesn’t have quite the ring that say RomneyCare would.

They hate the fact that it was a Democrat who enacted legislation that was modeled entirely on a GOP idea and the whole individual mandate was modeled on the Heritage plan for personal responsibility.

But the moment Obama tied his support to it, the GOP turned it into a shitshow of epic proportions and that it must be destroyed at all costs, even though the preexisting system of health insurance was a total failure and uninsureds were driving hospitals to bankruptcy and pushing all those costs on to those who have insurance and the means to pay.

The ACA begins a process of transparency on costs, which in theory should help reduce costs since you can now see what procedures and items cost before you use them. That’s a work in progress, but getting more people into private insurance (which the ACA does through marketplace insurance) and through Medicaid expansion (which most GOP states have so far refused to do) means more people are insured when they have to engage a health practitioner. And those people can now see doctors before minor issues become major expenses, they aren’t refused insurance because of preexisting conditions, and dependents can stay on parents’ insurance until age 26.

The GOP wants to undo all of that, all to get Obama’s name off the program.

I used to joke that if Romney won in 2016, the first and only legislation he would demand and get from Congress is a rename of Obamacare to Romneycare, and the GOP would drop the issue entirely. Then again, the GOP is that destitute of facts, logic, and compassion, that they’d simply repeal Obamacare without any alternatives - and that’s their current situation. Their alternative is vaporware and malware masquerading as rhetoric.

They can repeal and implement FearCare - We Scare because that makes enough of you vote for us.
//

303 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 8:01:11am

re: #293 Decatur Deb

Perry will outline his Three Point Plan.

With, or without, glasses?
/

304 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 8:01:12am

Hi, I’m Dr. Ben Carson. I know I spoke yesterday morning, but almost no one was here. And how come Rand is getting 40 minutes? That’s more than I had. Can I speak again? Did you know I’m black and a conservative?

305 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:02:24am

re: #303 Feline Fearless Leader

With, or without, glasses?
/

Hospitality bar isn’t open until after Santorum speaks.

306 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 8:02:53am

re: #298 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Has John Bolton’s mustache thrown his hat into the ring yet?

He does not seem to have any sort of traction or power base in the party, although we could count on him getting a major cabinet or advisory position in any GOP administration.

307 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 8:03:10am

re: #293 Decatur Deb

Perry will outline his Three Point Plan.

Former Governor Rick Perry. Stock started at zero and has only plummeted since.

308 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:03:35am

re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He does not seem to have any sort of traction or power base in the party, although we could count on him getting a major cabinet or advisory position in any GOP administration.

I think he wants SoS or SoD. He was Romney’s FP guy.

309 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 8:04:05am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

I think he wants SoS or SoD. He was Romney’s FP guy.

Pretty sobering that.

310 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:04:22am

BWAHAHAA!
I love it when they eat their own.

311 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 8:05:07am

re: #310 The Mother Of All Pies

BWAHAHAA!
I love it when they eat their own.

Glad there’s plenty of popcorn here at LGF headquarters.

312 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:05:51am

re: #310 The Mother Of All Pies

BWAHAHAA!
I love it when they eat their own.

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I would consider that a badge of honor. Unfortunately Jeb will see it and become more and more right wing as a result.

313 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 8:06:00am

re: #310 The Mother Of All Pies

Isn’t Jeb pretty much the only electable one in the GOP clown car?

Please proceed.

314 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:06:10am

re: #311 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Glad there’s plenty of popcorn here at LGF headquarters.

ice cold beer here.

315 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 8:06:12am

re: #310 The Mother Of All Pies

BWAHAHAA!
I love it when they eat their own.

They don’t like his immigration ideas, which are too close to Teh Evil Obama’s.

316 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:06:41am

re: #313 Lidane

Isn’t Jeb pretty much the only electable one in the GOP clown car?

Please proceed.

Yeah but he’s not a true conservative ‘tm.

317 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 8:06:43am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

I would consider that a badge of honor. Unfortunately Jeb will see it and become more and more right wing as a result.

Speaking of badges of honor, I just realized I’ve been blocked by Bryan Fischer on Twitter. That’s awesome. :D

318 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:06:50am

re: #294 Bass Reeves

The tension that exists between white and non-white feminists is literally that in the past white feminists have intentionally or unintentionally excluded non-white feminists. So when her backstage comments are parsed through that lens by people who own that point of view, her comments were viewed by them as worthy of criticism.

Again, the factual part of what you say is undeniable, yet I don’t see how the racial [and not only racial, but also, e.g., cis/trans] tensions inside the feminist movement have a bearing on whether PA’s language was exclusive or inclusive. (Note also that the criticism was not exclusively about race.) The critics that I read were having a problem specifically with her language:

slate.com

Where to begin? Perhaps with pointing out that “gay people” and “people of color” are both categories that include women

(And PA didn’t claim anything that would contradict that.)

washingtonpost.com

Nevertheless, Arquette’s comments are problematic. Arquette mentions four groups: “women,” “all the men that love women,” “gay people,” and “people of color.” It’s clear that Arquette’s notion of “women” refers to straight white women. By segmenting the last two groups in these comments, Arquette excludes queer white women, women of color, and queer women of color. Furthermore, Arquette claims “we” [white women] have fought for these people, and she insists that now these people must fight for “us” [white women].

(None of this is evident in PA’s speech.)

but sometimes people can’t accept any criticism, no matter how tiny. Ah well.

It wasn’t a tiny criticism. The headlines of the above 2 articles: “Patricia Arquette’s Feminism: Only for White Women” and “Patricia Arquette’s remarks explain why some black women don’t call themselves feminists. Too often when a white feminist says “we,” she doesn’t mean women of color.”

They basically accused her of bigotry. I don’t care about your “lens” when you do that without having very good grounds for that.

319 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:07:19am

re: #317 Lidane

Speaking of badges of honor, I just realized I’ve been blocked by Bryan Fischer on Twitter. That’s awesome. :D

Hahaha wonder what you did to set off that nut’s block.

320 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 8:07:37am

re: #317 Lidane

Speaking of badges of honor, I just realized I’ve been blocked by Bryan Fischer on Twitter. That’s awesome. :D

Drops mic

321 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 8:08:15am

re: #315 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

They don’t like his immigration ideas, which are too close to Teh Evil Obama’s.

Case in point:

322 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:09:04am

re: #313 Lidane

Isn’t Jeb pretty much the only electable one in the GOP clown car?

Please proceed.

Scott Walker has all the pallets of money behind him. He’s used it to survive a couple certain-death situations.

323 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 8:09:07am

re: #302 Feline Fearless Leader

They can repeal and implement FearCare - We Scare because that makes enough of you vote for us.
//

+1 for the Monsters. Inc. reference.

324 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:09:26am

re: #321 Lidane

Case in point:

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So Rush has his dog whistle ready to use on follow Republicans as well.

325 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 8:09:38am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Yeah but he’s not a true conservative ‘tm.

Although Jeb is actually pretty conservative, probably more conservative than W. But unless he’s calling for Obama’s impeachment, the immediate and full repeal of Obamacare, and a nuclear launch on IraqIranSyriaLibya than he won’t be wingnut enough for this group.

326 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 8:09:45am

re: #321 Lidane

Case in point:

As if 90% of American cities don’t already have Spanish-speaking people.

327 aagcobb  Feb 27, 2015 8:09:49am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

I would consider that a badge of honor. Unfortunately Jeb will see it and become more and more right wing as a result.

We’ll see; he said you have to be ready to lose the primary in order to win the general. Did he mean it or not?

328 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:10:52am

re: #322 Decatur Deb

Scott Walker has all the pallets of money behind him. He’s used it to survive a couple certain-death situations.

Walker’s actually my bet. I think unlike Jeb he can get both the nutty elements of the base and the money backers behind him. Plus, he has won two elections in a Democratic state. Three actually including the recall.

329 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:11:38am

re: #325 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Although Jeb is actually pretty conservative, probably more conservative than W. But unless he’s calling for Obama’s impeachment, the immediate and full repeal of Obamacare, and a nuclear launch on IraqIranSyriaLibya than he won’t be wingnut enough for this group.

That’s my point. Anyone who saw his actions during the Schiavo incident knows that Jeb is no moderate. And he was very much against gays having the right to adopt as governor as well.

330 Whack-A-Mole  Feb 27, 2015 8:12:37am

re: #277 Lidane

The point of it all? To deny the black man his page in history, that’s about it. Double assholes.

331 aagcobb  Feb 27, 2015 8:13:18am

re: #313 Lidane

Isn’t Jeb pretty much the only electable one in the GOP clown car?

Please proceed.

They are convinced Scott Walker is electable because he wins in Wisconsin. Frankly, I don’t see how the math allows any Republican to win, barring an economic downturn before the election. To win, a Republican would have to get a percentage of the white vote they haven’t gotten since Reagan ran, and does anyone really think Hillary will get a smaller percentage of the white vote than Obama did in 2012 when the economy was crappy?

332 Timothy Watson  Feb 27, 2015 8:13:38am

re: #276 lawhawk

So on top of Scott Walker’s other budget insanities, which include $300 million higher education cuts while providing $250 million in loans to build a stadium for a billionaire, he’s calling on colleges and universities to stop reporting sex assaults on campus.

[Embedded content]

Wait. What?

This is the GOP “leader” of the day.

Aren’t universities required to prepare most of the information anyway under the Clery Act?
en.wikipedia.org

333 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:14:05am

re: #331 aagcobb

They are convinced Scott Walker is electable because he wins in Wisconsin. Frankly, I don’t see how the math allows any Republican to win, barring an economic downturn before the election. To win, a Republican would have to get a percentage of the white vote they haven’t gotten since Reagan ran, and does anyone really think Hillary will get a smaller percentage of the white vote than Obama did in 2012 when the economy was crappy?

From your lips to Nate Silver’s ears.

334 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:14:11am

I think a thing with Jeb that I’ve thought about is that he hasn’t run for office in over a decade now. I don’t know. I think that may be a problem for him. It won’t kill him but it may definitely hurt him in some states where a grassroots presence is important. As I got at, my money is on Walker being the nom. I think he appeals to both rival elements of the base in ways that Bush can’t on one hand and someone like Paul can’t on the other hand.

335 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 8:14:40am

re: #323 lawhawk

+1 for the Monsters. Inc. reference.

There was a Monsters Inc. reference???

(I kid.) :)

336 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 8:15:41am

re: #326 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

As if 90% of American cities don’t already have Spanish-speaking people.

So that means Jeb is pro-global warming?

(Though won’t that also submerge Miami by the time that gets really rolling?)
/

337 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:15:45am

re: #331 aagcobb

They are convinced Scott Walker is electable because he wins in Wisconsin. Frankly, I don’t see how the math allows any Republican to win, barring an economic downturn before the election. To win, a Republican would have to get a percentage of the white vote they haven’t gotten since Reagan ran, and does anyone really think Hillary will get a smaller percentage of the white vote than Obama did in 2012 when the economy was crappy?

Hillary will bring some of the white vote back. The WWC in the rust belt will go to her in ways they didn’t go to Obama.

338 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:15:45am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

I think a thing with Jeb that I’ve thought about is that he hasn’t run for office in over a decade now. I don’t know. I think that may be a problem for him. It won’t kill him but it may definitely hurt him in some states where a grassroots presence is important. As I got at, my money is on Walker being the nom. I think he appeals to both rival elements of the base in ways that Bush can’t on one hand and someone like Paul can’t on the other hand.

Also thinking Walker, just to prepare for the worst case.

339 aagcobb  Feb 27, 2015 8:16:24am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

I think a thing with Jeb that I’ve thought about is that he hasn’t run for office in over a decade now. I don’t know. I think that may be a problem for him. It won’t kill him but it may definitely hurt him in some states where a grassroots presence is important. As I got at, my money is on Walker being the nom. I think he appeals to both rival elements of the base in ways that Bush can’t on one hand and someone like Paul can’t on the other hand.

We’ll see, usually the establishment gets its way as it did with Romney, but he was running against an incredibly weak field.

340 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:16:31am

re: #326 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

As if 90% of American cities don’t already have Spanish-speaking people.

And some of them were Spanish speaking before they were English but we can’t expect dropout Limbaugh to actually know that.

341 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:17:13am

re: #339 aagcobb

We’ll see, usually the establishment gets its way as it did with Romney, but he was running against an incredibly weak field.

Yeah Romney’s biggest challenges ended it being Gingrich (has been) and Santorum (one trick so-con hack).

342 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 8:17:55am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

And some of them were Spanish speaking before they were English but we can’t expect dropout Limbaugh to actually know that.

If he did, he’d ignore it anyway. Truth is a slippery concept for RWNJ commentators.

343 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:18:07am

LOL he’s so clueless & self-unaware==>
“Dancing for his court masters” is exactly what Ben does.

344 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 8:18:09am

re: #331 aagcobb

They are convinced Scott Walker is electable because he wins in Wisconsin. Frankly, I don’t see how the math allows any Republican to win, barring an economic downturn before the election. To win, a Republican would have to get a percentage of the white vote they haven’t gotten since Reagan ran, and does anyone really think Hillary will get a smaller percentage of the white vote than Obama did in 2012 when the economy was crappy?

Given Walker’s dead puppy eyes and “punting” on every issue he is the walking equivalent of a generic Republican. Which, of all the options, might be their best bet against Hillary. Go full Anti-everything and put up a candidate that stands for nothing, and can also therefore have any perceived conservative position projected on him.
//

345 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:18:14am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Hillary will bring some of the white vote back. The WWC in the rust belt will go to her in ways they didn’t go to Obama.

We also go into 2016 without Stewart and Colbert.

346 Timothy Watson  Feb 27, 2015 8:18:41am

Can someone explain to me why Mike Huckabee is allowing Ben Carson’s PAC to solicit money using Huckabee’s mailing list?

347 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:18:53am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Hillary will bring some of the white vote back. The WWC in the rust belt will go to her in ways they didn’t go to Obama.

What is WWC?

348 aagcobb  Feb 27, 2015 8:19:00am

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Yeah Romney’s biggest challenges ended it being Gingrich (has been) and Santorum (one trick so-con hack).

I thought no way the GOP would nominate the grandfather of Obamacare, but Charles called it early for Romney and he was absolutely right.

349 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:20:02am

re: #347 The Mother Of All Pies

What is WWC?

Sorry- White Working Class.

350 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 8:20:11am

re: #345 Decatur Deb

We also go into 2016 without Stewart and Colbert.

It still kills me that we went into 2008 and 2012 without Hunter S. Thompson. He would’ve had a field day with Sarah Palin and the 2012 GOP primaries.

351 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 8:20:51am

re: #346 Timothy Watson

Can someone explain to me why Mike Huckabee is allowing Ben Carson’s PAC to solicit money using Huckabee’s mailing list?

Because their mailing lists overlap and neither of them have a credible shot at the White House.

Might as well double dip from the rubes while they can.

352 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:21:02am

re: #348 aagcobb

I thought no way the GOP would nominate the grandfather of Obamacare, but Charles called it early for Romney and he was absolutely right.

I thought it would be Perry but Romney outwingnutted him on immigration and that was all she wrote. I did not for a million years think Santorum would end up being Mitt’s biggest challenger because I thought even his schtick would be annoying for Republican primary voters.

353 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:21:27am

re: #350 Lidane

It still kills me that we went into 2008 and 2012 without Hunter S. Thompson. He would’ve had a field day with Sarah Palin and the 2012 GOP primaries.

Fear and Loathing at CPAC.

354 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:23:33am

I always like to try to see who is advising these guys. For me, I knew Romney was flirting with the far right element in the party when he had Bolton as his FP guy and Kobach as his immigration. From what I can tell only Jeb’s FP team has been released and they’re mostly retreads from his father and brother’s administrations.

355 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:24:41am

re: #354 HappyWarrior

I always like to try to see who is advising these guys. For me, I knew Romney was flirting with the far right element in the party when he had Bolton as his FP guy and Kobach as his immigration. From what I can tell only Jeb’s FP team has been released and they’re mostly retreads from his father and brother’s administrations.

So far, they’re all being guided by the Holy Spirit.

356 Timothy Watson  Feb 27, 2015 8:24:55am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

I thought it would be Perry but Romney outwingnutted him on immigration and that was all she wrote. I did not for a million years think Santorum would end up being Mitt’s biggest challenger because I thought even his schtick would be annoying for Republican primary voters.

Romney was exceptional at being a dick to everyone, that was huge points in his favor.

357 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:24:57am
358 Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2015 8:24:59am

re: #343 The Mother Of All Pies

LOL he’s so clueless & self-unaware==>
“Dancing for his court masters” is exactly what Ben does.

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OMG, that’s like the Jewish version of “house n-word”.

359 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:25:12am

re: #355 Decatur Deb

So far, they’re all being guided by the Holy Spirit.

They’re going to make him AG right?

360 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:25:33am

re: #358 Ace-o-aces

OMG, that’s like the Jewish version of “house n-word”.

Yep.

361 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:26:30am

re: #358 Ace-o-aces

I suppose it’s but a step away from “Jewicidal”, Pam’s favorite.

362 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:26:31am

re: #357 The Mother Of All Pies

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Yet another great committee appointment by Boehner.//

363 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 8:27:14am

Dancing for their masters:

364 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:27:32am

re: #361 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I suppose it’s but a step away from “Jewicidal”, Pam’s favorite.

“Kapo.” Because having a different opinion is like the Holocaust. But yeah it’s funny he says this about Goldberg when he’s the one who is constantly pushing a narrative that fundies want to hear.

365 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:28:32am

Wingnuts, Still Not Understanding What Net Neutrality Is, Think It’s Actually The Oppposite==>

366 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:29:12am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

about Goldberg when he’s the one who is constantly pushing a narrative that fundies want to hear.

Are you confusing him with NRO’s Goldberg?

367 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:30:07am

Jeffrey Goldberg has usually struck me as a voice of reason, not that I read him much.

368 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 8:30:12am

re: #343 The Mother Of All Pies

LOL he’s so clueless & self-unaware==>
“Dancing for his court masters” is exactly what Ben does.

Stay classy, Ben.

369 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 8:30:47am

re: #357 The Mother Of All Pies

Because freedom. Also, here is a snowball I made from outside which proves no global warming. /

370 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:31:14am

They’re: #366 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Are you confusing him with NRO’s Goldberg?

The he is referring to Ben not Jeff, sorry. I know Jeff and Jonah are different people.

371 BeachDem  Feb 27, 2015 8:31:20am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Walker’s actually my bet. I think unlike Jeb he can get both the nutty elements of the base and the money backers behind him. Plus, he has won two elections in a Democratic state. Three actually including the recall.

I hear Spain and Italy are nice this time of year. Can’t even fathom what this country would look like with a dolt like Walker in the White House.

Once again, times like these I’m glad I’m old and don’t have kids.

372 Dr. Matt  Feb 27, 2015 8:32:13am

Good Dog, the ammosexuals are getting their panties twisted again by claiming President Obama has issued an executive order to ban AR15 ammo (5.56 mm). After having to navigate through mounds of right-wing bullshit on the web, I finally figured out the truth: The ATF has proposed a ban on green tip 5.56 ammunition, but President Obama was not involved in the decision and has not issued an executive order. Now because of right-wing loon paranoia, the price of ammo is once again going to skyrocket. Dolts.

373 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:32:27am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

They’

The he is referring to Ben not Jeff, sorry. I know Jeff and Jonah are different people.

My bad :)

374 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 8:33:44am

re: #365 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts, Still Not Understanding What Net Neutrality Is, Think It’s Actually The Oppposite==>

They’re joined by a large number of Congress critters, who either don’t understand what NN is, or choose not to.

CNBC had a useful graphic yesterday, showing Netflix and Amazon as big semis on a highway and low-bandwidth users as small cars sharing the same highway. With NN, the big vehicles can’t be restricted to a more expensive “toll road,” or forced to slow down because the speed limit is lower.

It’s not a perfect analogy, but Ma and Pa Kettle back home on the farm might grasp the idea better with it.

375 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:33:52am

re: #373 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

My bad :)

All good.

376 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:34:17am

re: #371 BeachDem

…snip. Can’t even fathom what this country would look like with a dolt like Walker in the White House.

If we don’t get our shit together early, we’re going to find out.

(While visiting the Mouse, I made 2015/16 contacts with Florida Dem volunteer organizers.)

377 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:34:37am

What are they babbling on about regarding Netflix anyhow? Even with NN, you’d still need an account and password to get in so you can stream.

378 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:35:31am

JEFFREY GOLDBERG: JEWICIDAL JIHADI BENDS OVER, SUBMITS, DEMANDS ISRAEL DO SAME

pamelageller. com/2008/05/goldberg-jewici.html

379 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 8:35:37am

re: #354 HappyWarrior

I always like to try to see who is advising these guys. For me, I knew Romney was flirting with the far right element in the party when he had Bolton as his FP guy and Kobach as his immigration. From what I can tell only Jeb’s FP team has been released and they’re mostly retreads from his father and brother’s administrations.

Where will Zombie Cheney on life support be?
/

380 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 8:36:00am

re: #355 Decatur Deb

So far, they’re all being guided by the Holy Spirit.

Odd term to use for Cheney.
//

381 Mike Lamb  Feb 27, 2015 8:36:11am

If there was a top 10 list of things wingnuts don’t understand, would Net Neutrality be no. 1?

382 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:36:37am

re: #379 Feline Fearless Leader

Where will Zombie Cheney on life support be?
/

The candidate that likes war the most and also causing dry lips in the dead of winter.

383 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 8:36:49am
384 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:36:59am

re: #379 Feline Fearless Leader

Where will Zombie Cheney on life support be?
/

Zipping around in the corners, muttering “Exterminate”.

385 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 8:37:21am

re: #365 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts, Still Not Understanding What Net Neutrality Is, Think It’s Actually The Oppposite==>

Given the names most of the wacko proposed bills have they are used to the name of something being absolutely the opposite of what it proposes to do.
///

386 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:37:34am

re: #381 Mike Lamb

If there was a top 10 list of things wingnuts don’t understand, would Net Neutrality be no. 1?

1Z)
After evolution, global warming, the Constitution, and your pick of 22 other issues.

387 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:37:44am

re: #381 Mike Lamb

If there was a top 10 list of things wingnuts don’t understand, would Net Neutrality be no. 1?

I think it would be easier to make a Top 10 List of things that wingnuts DO understand.

388 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 8:37:52am

re: #381 Mike Lamb

If there was a top 10 list of things wingnuts don’t understand, would Net Neutrality be no. 1?

I think human reproduction and evolution would be its main competition for #1.

389 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 8:38:27am

re: #372 Dr. Matt

Good Dog, the ammosexuals are getting their panties twisted again by claiming President Obama has issued an executive order to ban AR15 ammo (5.56 mm). After having to navigate through mounds of right-wing bullshit on the web, I finally figured out the truth: The ATF has proposed a ban on green tip 5.56 ammunition, but President Obama was not involved in the decision and has not issued an executive order. Now because of right-wing loon paranoia, the price of ammo is once again going to skyrocket. Dolts.

Green tip is the armor piercing round I presume?

390 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 8:38:55am

re: #388 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I think human reproduction and evolution would be its main competition for #1.

Along with Civics, Economics, Religious Studies and US History…

391 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 8:40:30am

re: #390 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Along with Civics, Economics, Religious Studies and US History…

Pretty much all the Carnegie credits and the elective courses, too.

392 BeachDem  Feb 27, 2015 8:40:57am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

I thought it would be Perry but Romney outwingnutted him on immigration and that was all she wrote. I did not for a million years think Santorum would end up being Mitt’s biggest challenger because I thought even his schtick would be annoying for Republican primary voters.

I think Perry out-“stupided” himself, and a good thing too, because Perry was certainly more charming than Mitt (and Newt, well, we won’t even go there.)

At a breakfast I went to where Perry and Newt were in attendance in 2012, Perry was glad-handing everyone in the room, all smiles; Newt sat on the dais and talked only to his staff. Perry could actually work the crowd—Newt could barely work his hair.

393 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:41:14am

Who is the most hateful wingnut cartoonist, Ramirez, Branco or the McCoys?

394 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:41:49am

re: #393 The Mother Of All Pies

Who is the most hateful wingnut cartoonist, Ramirez, Branco or the McCoys?

I only know the first one.

395 Dr. Matt  Feb 27, 2015 8:42:11am

re: #389 Feline Fearless Leader

Green tip is the armor piercing round I presume?

Technically black tip is armor piercing, while green tip has a steel core. So, it has greater penetration capability. Most shooting ranges do not permit green tip ammo because of these capabilities.

396 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:42:36am

re: #390 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Along with Civics, Economics, Religious Studies and US History…

re: #391 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Pretty much all the Carnegie credits and the elective courses, too.

Beginning to understand their issue with Common Core.

397 Iwouldprefernotto  Feb 27, 2015 8:43:05am

re: #331 aagcobb

They are convinced Scott Walker is electable because he wins in Wisconsin. Frankly, I don’t see how the math allows any Republican to win, barring an economic downturn before the election. To win, a Republican would have to get a percentage of the white vote they haven’t gotten since Reagan ran, and does anyone really think Hillary will get a smaller percentage of the white vote than Obama did in 2012 when the economy was crappy?

Ryan didn’t help Romney win WI. Walker could easily loose WI. Presidential elections are different than presidential. Walker brings little to the party.

398 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:43:15am

re: #392 BeachDem

I think Perry out-“stupided” himself, and a good thing too, because Perry was certainly more charming than Mitt (and Newt, well, we won’t even go there.)

At a breakfast I went to where Perry and Newt were in attendance in 2012, Perry was glad-handing everyone in the room, all smiles; Newt sat on the dais and talked only to his staff. Perry could actually work the crowd—Newt could barely work his hair.

I think you’re right. The guy wasn’t until last year the longest tenured governor without having some people skills. I think Obama would have beaten Perry though but Perry definitely would have gotten more of the base out.

399 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 8:44:38am

re: #396 Decatur Deb

Beginning to understand their issue with Common Core.

That’s it in a nutshell. A well educated populace is not as easily swayed by stupidity, although there are no guarantees against it.

400 BeachDem  Feb 27, 2015 8:45:08am

re: #374 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

They’re joined by a large number of Congress critters, who either don’t understand what NN is, or choose not to.

CNBC had a useful graphic yesterday, showing Netflix and Amazon as big semis on a highway and low-bandwidth users as small cars sharing the same highway. With NN, the big vehicles can’t be restricted to a more expensive “toll road,” or forced to slow down because the speed limit is lower.

It’s not a perfect analogy, but Ma and Pa Kettle back home on the farm might grasp the idea better with it.

Maybe Al Franken should draw a freehand diagram (like his US map) to ‘splain it to the dolts in simple, simple terms.

Of course, Al’s word would be taken seriously by the right wing idjits//////

401 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:45:12am

re: #397 Iwouldprefernotto

Ryan didn’t help Romney win WI. Walker could easily lost WI. Presidential elections are different than presidential. Walker brings little to the party.

True points but Walker has at least the record of having won statewide in WI. I think Ryan, all you really need to know about him is he’s never pursued the Senate or Governorship in Wisconsin. I think Ryan knows his appeal is limited to his congressional district and Ayn Rand fans. Ryan also is not running for president. His star I think really waned after losing with Mitt.

402 Mattand  Feb 27, 2015 8:45:28am

re: #288 lawhawk

Because Obamacare doesn’t have quite the ring that say RomneyCare would.

They hate the fact that it was a Democrat who enacted legislation that was modeled entirely on a GOP idea and the whole individual mandate was modeled on the Heritage plan for personal responsibility.

But the moment Obama tied his support to it, the GOP turned it into a shitshow of epic proportions and that it must be destroyed at all costs, even though the preexisting system of health insurance was a total failure and uninsureds were driving hospitals to bankruptcy and pushing all those costs on to those who have insurance and the means to pay.

I cannot tell you how many times that I’ve tried to explain this to people, only to have them dismiss as a partisan crank. And these are the vaunted “independent” voters who supposedly posses the wisdom to vote intelligently on all issues, and will guide our great republic into a glorious future.

Americans hate nuance and education with the passion that most house cats have to someone giving them a bath. To paraphrase a graphic someone posted yesterday, Idiocracy was a movie, not a how-to manual.

403 BeachDem  Feb 27, 2015 8:46:56am

re: #376 Decatur Deb

If we don’t get our shit together early, we’re going to find out.

(While visiting the Mouse, I made 2015/16 contacts with Florida Dem volunteer organizers.)

You’re more than welcome to join us in the SC losing cause. This weekend is our issues conference, to figure out how Dems can win.
(there will be good food, good people, and…well, there will be good food and good people.)

404 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:47:09am

“Here’s the list of the Extremists (Democrats) who are SKIPPING Netanyahu’s speech to Congress” ~ Pa-pa-pa-pam.

405 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:47:57am

re: #404 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“Here’s the list of the Extremists (Democrats) who are SKIPPING Netanyahu’s speech to Congress” ~ Pa-pa-pa-pam.

She has in her hand a list of 205 Communist Party members. Wait upon second inspection, those are Vodka mixer recipes.

406 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:47:59am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

True points but Walker has at least the record of having won statewide in WI. I think Ryan, all you really need to know about him is he’s never pursued the Senate or Governorship in Wisconsin. I think Ryan knows his appeal is limited to his congressional district and Ayn Rand fans. Ryan also is not running for president. His star I think really waned after losing with Mitt.

He knows it, which is more than you can say about Sarah.

407 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:49:40am

re: #404 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

From the article:

The usual suspects, Muslim Jew-haters and extremists. It’s better without them. Back in 2006, I had the honor to be present in the Congress when the Israeli Prime Minister (then Ehud Olmert) addressed the Congress. I was not a fan of his, but it was thrilling. The moment was much bigger than who the PM was.

Not a fan is a bit of an understatement. From the Jewicidal Jihadi article above:

Seems more like they’re investing in Olmurderer’s wallet.

408 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:50:31am

re: #406 The Mother Of All Pies

He knows it, which is more than you can say about Sarah.

Yeah the guy has some humility. Surprising coming from a man who lied about his running acumen. It actually is pretty amazing how quickly one can lose their star with the right wing base. It wasn’t even four years ago that Marco Rubio was someone thought a good fit for Mitt’s running mate and now he’s pretty much persona non grata with that same element that loved him when he beat Crist in the primary because he had a brief moment of reason on immigration. Who knows, maybe in four years, we’re talking about Ted Cruz as someone who lost his way with the nuts? Hahaha maybe not, Ted Cruz is one of the most craven Republicans in the Senate.

409 blueraven  Feb 27, 2015 8:51:16am

Senate Dems block legislation to defund POTUS immigration order.

57-42

410 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 8:51:22am

And here’s another wingnut who supports Israel as a location scout for End Times Apocalypse==>

411 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:52:56am

re: #409 blueraven

Senate Dems block legislation to defund POTUS immigration order.

57-42

Good. I know people who have benefited from the president’s actions. Was this all party line?

412 Iwouldprefernotto  Feb 27, 2015 8:53:31am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

True points but Walker has at least the record of having won statewide in WI. I think Ryan, all you really need to know about him is he’s never pursued the Senate or Governorship in Wisconsin. I think Ryan knows his appeal is limited to his congressional district and Ayn Rand fans. Ryan also is not running for president. His star I think really waned after losing with Mitt.

I guess my point is that Walker doesn’t even guarantee WI. He would have to fight for it. This is not great way to start. Of course, Jeb doesn’t have a lock on Florida or Christie on NJ. Perry may have Texas locked up, but that really doesn’t help him too much. I really don’t see Walker adding much to a national election.

413 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 8:55:47am

re: #412 Iwouldprefernotto

I guess my point is that Walker doesn’t even guarantee WI. He would have to fight for it. This is not great way to start. Of course, Jeb doesn’t have a lock on Florida or Christie on NJ. Perry may have Texas locked up, but that really doesn’t help him too much. I really don’t see Walker adding much to a national election.

Oh okay. I understand. Well they have to start somewhere don’t they? i mean Obama certainly wasn’t a guarantee for all the states that he’s made purple and or more permanently blue. But you’re getting at what is their big problem as a party going forward, they’re declining as a party in parts of the country that are growing.

414 blueraven  Feb 27, 2015 8:56:34am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Good. I know people who have benefited from the president’s actions. Was this all party line?

A few dems vote in favor.

McCaskill, I know. Not sure who else yet

415 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 8:57:29am

re: #403 BeachDem

You’re more than welcome to join us in the SC losing cause. This weekend is our issues conference, to figure out how Dems can win.
(there will be good food, good people, and…well, there will be good food and good people.)

That’s the reason to work in FL. Last go-around we had a “Border States” project to move effort from hopeless cases like AL and SC to FL. This time there was to be a Texas equivalent, but I’ll stick to back-filling nearer home.

416 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 8:57:57am

Grab yer popcorn:

417 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 8:59:48am

re: #416 Lidane

Grab yer popcorn:

[Embedded content]

Wake me up when the hair talks.

418 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:00:08am

re: #414 blueraven

A few dems vote in favor.

McCaskill, I know. Not sure who else yet

Betting Manchin. And McCaskill is really showing why she shouldn’t be part of the party’s leadership like she wanted to be. I mean I get she’s in an increasingly red state but she has said she wants to be part of the leadership. Not a way to do that.

419 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:01:14am

re: #417 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Wake me up when the hair talks.

Heh reminds me of the Mad TV Sesame Street parody with Frank Caliendo playing Donald and the hair singing.

420 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 9:01:23am

LOL

421 BeachDem  Feb 27, 2015 9:01:58am

re: #415 Decatur Deb

That’s the reason to work in FL. Last go-around we had a “Border States” project to move effort from hopeless cases like AL and SC to FL. This time there was to be a Texas equivalent, but I’ll stick to back-filling nearer home.

And that’s also why SC Dems worked in North Carolina—every weekend, endlessly canvassing and calling. (it worked in 2008, but not in 2012, sadly.)

We went in groups of at least 3, because some of those folks are scary!

422 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 9:02:16am

re: #420 The Mother Of All Pies

What’s wrong with his mouth?

423 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 9:02:57am

re: #422 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What’s wrong with his mouth?

Just had a cavity filled?

424 Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2015 9:03:13am

re: #422 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What’s wrong with his mouth?

It’s wired to his brain.

425 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 9:04:17am
426 Iwouldprefernotto  Feb 27, 2015 9:05:53am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Oh okay. I understand. Well they have to start somewhere don’t they? i mean Obama certainly wasn’t a guarantee for all the states that he’s made purple and or more permanently blue. But you’re getting at what is their big problem as a party going forward, they’re declining as a party in parts of the country that are growing.

It’s why Jeb bothers me more than the others. He may not win Florida, but he has a good chance and it’s worth fighting for in terms of electoral votes. WI, nice state, but not really that important in national elections.

ps the could start by not being such dicks, sticking to fiscal conservatism and debating issues.

427 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 9:06:05am

re: #410 The Mother Of All Pies

And here’s another wingnut who supports Israel as a location scout for End Times Apocalypse==>

Who are Obama’s “puppet masters”?

428 Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2015 9:06:23am

re: #361 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I suppose it’s but a step away from “Jewicidal”, Pam’s favorite.

The worst would be to call someone a “Kapo”. That’s really going there.

re: #378 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

JEFFREY GOLDBERG: JEWICIDAL JIHADI BENDS OVER, SUBMITS, DEMANDS ISRAEL DO SAME

pamelageller. com/2008/05/goldberg-jewici.html

Yeah, I don’t always agree with Goldberg, but the man was serving in the Israeli army while Pam was leaching off her ex-husband in New York.

429 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 9:06:41am

re: #423 The Mother Of All Pies

Just had a cavity filled?

Or trying on the Trollface.

430 allegro  Feb 27, 2015 9:06:56am

re: #422 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What’s wrong with his mouth?

What comes out of it.

431 Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2015 9:08:21am

re: #427 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Who are Obama’s “puppet masters”?

I’m guessing Soros. You know, the self-made Billionaire anti-communist who conservatives call a “socialist” because they don’t really understand what that word means.

432 blueraven  Feb 27, 2015 9:08:38am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

Betting Manchin. And McCaskill is really showing why she shouldn’t be part of the party’s leadership like she wanted to be. I mean I get she’s in an increasingly red state but she has said she wants to be part of the leadership. Not a way to do that.

Guessing you are right about Manchin. I give them a bit of a pass, being from red states. I am sure they knew the vote against was pretty safe.

433 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 27, 2015 9:10:24am

re: #427 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Who are Obama’s “puppet masters”?

Saul Alinsky

434 Jenner7  Feb 27, 2015 9:11:00am
435 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:11:07am

re: #432 blueraven

Guessing you are right about Manchin. I give them a bit of a pass, being from red states. I am sure they knew the vote against was pretty safe.

I am not upset really but I do think McCaskill has to decide that if she wants to be part of the leadership that she has to make some tough votes, if not, she’s free to do that. I just hope she knows she benefited from running in a presidential election year against a man who believed in legitimate rape.

436 Dr. Matt  Feb 27, 2015 9:11:32am

re: #433 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Saul Alinsky

And George Soros

{DRINK!}

437 Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2015 9:11:41am
438 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 9:12:13am

The wingnuts keep talking about some guy Dennis Michael Lynch? WTF is he? Libertarian candidate?

439 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 9:13:14am

I just Googled him and did not find much for somebody who is supposedly running for POTUS.

440 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:13:37am

re: #431 Ace-o-aces

I’m guessing Soros. You know, the self-made Billionaire anti-communist who conservatives call a “socialist” because they don’t really understand what that word means.

They call him a Nazi. A good friend of my Dad’s really buys the Anti-Soros CT bullshit. I love the guy like an almost blood uncle but he’s deranged when ti comes to conspiracies. Pointing out that Soros was around the same age as my kid brother when the war came to his native Hungary was beyond him and yeah Soros did more for anti-Communist movements in a day than many of these idiots who see communists underneath their beds have in a lifetime.

441 b_sharp  Feb 27, 2015 9:14:16am

re: #422 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What’s wrong with his mouth?

He’s smiling.

442 blueraven  Feb 27, 2015 9:14:43am

Ha! Trump says 75-80%, he is running.

Yes, please.

443 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:15:49am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

And George Soros

{DRINK!}

They’d never come out and say it but there’s always been a tinge of Anti-Semitism in the Anti-Alinsky and Anti-Soros crap. Bill Donahue of the Catholic League is at least honest about his Anti-Semitism. The rest of them just like using Israel to cower behind the truth that they don’t actually respect the Jewish people or religion.

444 Tigger2  Feb 27, 2015 9:16:05am

All I know is people that aren’t smart enough to know net neutrality and treating the net like a public utility is good for them are not smart enough to be posting comments on the net, they need to go back to writing letters.

445 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 9:16:12am

Mental health break:

446 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 9:16:31am

re: #438 The Mother Of All Pies

The wingnuts keep talking about some guy Dennis Michael Lynch? WTF is he? Libertarian candidate?

Is he speaking at CPAC?

447 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 9:17:16am

re: #442 blueraven

Ha! Trump says 75-80%, he is running.

Yes, please.

President Trump would get the stock market back up to 12000 I’m sure. //

448 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 27, 2015 9:18:01am
449 Jenner7  Feb 27, 2015 9:18:32am
450 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 9:18:40am

re: #438 The Mother Of All Pies

The wingnuts keep talking about some guy Dennis Michael Lynch? WTF is he? Libertarian candidate?

I’m guessing he’s this guy:

twitter.com

451 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 9:19:22am

re: #427 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Who are Obama’s “puppet masters”?

Normally that would be Joos. Which means that with this crowd you search-replace that to Mozlems.

452 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:19:24am

re: #449 Jenner7

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Shit, I’ve never been a Trekkie but the man was an icon and guest starred in two of my favorite Simpsons episodes.

453 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 27, 2015 9:19:30am

re: #449 Jenner7

So sad. Spock can’t die.

454 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 9:20:11am

re: #441 b_sharp

He didn’t pass the replicant test. //

455 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 27, 2015 9:20:19am

re: #449 Jenner7

Oh no

456 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 9:21:23am

re: #450 Lidane

I’m guessing he’s this guy:

twitter.com

It’s kind of creepy that he doesn’t have a higher profile than Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn. Nothing on major news media or blogs. Who the fuck is this guy?

457 Tigger2  Feb 27, 2015 9:22:34am

re: #442 blueraven

Ha! Trump says 75-80%, he is running.

Yes, please.

Trump wont run if he lost it would be to much of a hit on his inflated ego.

458 Dr. Matt  Feb 27, 2015 9:22:38am

re: #449 Jenner7

Leonard Nimoy, Spock of ‘Star Trek,’ Dies at 83 t.co noooooooooooo
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) February 27, 2015

WHOA! ugh. That sucks.

459 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:22:40am

re: #456 The Mother Of All Pies

It’s kind of creepy that he doesn’t have a higher profile than Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn. Nothing on major news media or blogs. Who the fuck is this guy?

Probably just some guy who paid the bare minimum filing fee to run for president and someone who has expressed views that the Twitnuts really like even though he’s no more viable for president than you or I.

460 dharmamark  Feb 27, 2015 9:23:31am

re: #457 Tigger2

Trump wont run if he lost it would be to much of a hit on his inflated ego.

To paraphrase the late Marion Berry, Trump don’t wanna run nothin’ but his mouth…

461 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 9:23:47am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

Probably just some guy who paid the bare minimum filing fee to run for president and someone who has expressed views that the Twitnuts really like even though he’s no more viable for president than you or I.

His Twitter feed is the usual deranged wingnut bullshit.

462 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 9:24:20am

OMG

463 The Mother Of All Pies  Feb 27, 2015 9:24:43am

I haz a sad now :(

464 Dr. Matt  Feb 27, 2015 9:26:05am

re: #442 blueraven

Ha! Trump says 75-80%, he is running.

Yes, please.

The only qualification/requirement to be a GOP presidential candidate in the eyes of the RWNJs: be an offensive, vile asshole. Hence, no one is excited about Jeb.

465 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:26:15am

re: #461 The Mother Of All Pies

His Twitter feed is the usual deranged wingnut shit.

Yeah I figured. There’s always about 50 guys like this that run but you never see them in the debates and they get not even percentages of the vote in the primaries. And they’re little known even to those following heavily. It’s kind of like what Lyndon LaRouche does but on a smaller scale.

466 lawhawk  Feb 27, 2015 9:26:37am

re: #357 The Mother Of All Pies

Ben would like a word with him… I’m sure…

467 Lidane  Feb 27, 2015 9:26:46am

re: #461 The Mother Of All Pies

His Twitter feed is the usual deranged wingnut shit.

So is his website. I just skimmed the front page. Yeesh.

468 nines09  Feb 27, 2015 9:28:06am

re: #448 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ok,

This O’Lielly story takes the cake

Then there is One More Lie On O’Reilly Highway

469 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:28:14am


RIP Mr. Nimoy. Best part of the episode is when he gets in his car and leaves for the alien sighting.

470 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 9:28:57am

re: #466 lawhawk

It’s a miracle, Ben finally said something that makes sense!

471 HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2015 9:29:31am

re: #466 lawhawk

Ben would like a word with him… I’m sure…

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Shapiro being reasonable. Never thought I’d see the day. Was it hard Ben?

472 nines09  Feb 27, 2015 9:29:41am

re: #449 Jenner7

Shit. RIP Mr. Nimoy.

473 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 9:30:01am

And there are morons in the comments:

474 Tigger2  Feb 27, 2015 9:34:00am

re: #466 lawhawk

Ben would like a word with him… I’m sure…

[Embedded content]

At least my state of Indiana is smart enough to tell all parents with the exception of some proven religious beliefs that if their kids aren’t vaccinated they will not be able to got to school. And I can’t believe they took this stance since Mike Pence is the Governor.

475 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2015 9:38:16am

re: #294 Bass Reeves

The tension that exists between white and non-white feminists is literally that in the past white feminists have intentionally or unintentionally excluded non-white feminists. So when her backstage comments are parsed through that lens by people who own that point of view, her comments were viewed by them as worthy of criticism. I do agree it is a fairly small matter in the overall scheme of things, but sometimes people can’t accept any criticism, no matter how tiny. Ah well.

Off to work, where if I tried to have a discussion about this I’d get ‘er…movies?’

Bolded part is complete and utter bullshit.
I’m 63 years old and have been putting up with unbelievable asshattery from this smirking paternalistic father-knows-best don’t-worry-your-pretty-little-head shut-up-and-get-me-a-beer society while fighting for equal rights all my life.
I have NEVER, EVER witnessed what you just typed.

476 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 9:46:01am

re: #475 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve seen some concrete examples cited, from the 1920s or so. I suppose it happened. But it is not quite relevant to this tempest in the teapot, I think.

477 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 9:52:01am

re: #427 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Who are Obama’s “puppet masters”?

Bert, Ernie, and some frog.
//

478 Timothy Watson  Feb 27, 2015 9:53:14am

re: #452 HappyWarrior

Not a huge Trek fan, but still, damn that sucks. I thought he was great on Fringe too. :(

479 Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2015 9:58:14am

re: #464 Dr. Matt

The only qualification/requirement to be a GOP presidential candidate in the eyes of the RWNJs: be an offensive, vile asshole. Hence, no one is excited about Jeb.

And Romney has set recent precedent about not releasing any income/finance/tax information. Which was definitely a sticking point for Trump in the past. So maybe he thinks he can get farther and just paper over and ignore any interest in how he handles money and pays taxes.

480 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2015 10:02:54am

re: #476 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I’ve seen some concrete examples cited, from the 1920s or so. I suppose it happened. But it is not quite relevant to this tempest in the teapot, I think.

Oh, well, from the 1920s. That trumps my own lifetime experience.
Guess my face is red…

/////////////////////////

481 Nyet  Feb 27, 2015 10:06:14am

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m trying not to dismiss both side’s experiences. I guess my point is, even if an interpretational mistake is caused by an authentic bitter experience, it’s still a mistake.


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