On Meet the Press, Trump Says He Understands Why a Conservative Would Attack Planned Parenthood

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Donald Trump went on Meet the Press today, and said some words he knows he’s expected to say: “It’s terrible. He’s a maniac.”

Then he proceeded to say the right wing incitement against Planned Parenthood had absolutely nothing to do with the attack in Colorado, but nevertheless he understands why someone would attack them.

“I will tell you there is a tremendous group of people that think it’s terrible, all of the videos that they’ve seen with some of these people from Planned Parenthood talking about it like you’re selling parts to a car … there are a lot of people that are very unhappy about that.”

This is the Trump style: tacitly (and sometimes openly) condoning violence against his political enemies.

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451 comments
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:13:52am

And it took him how many days to come up with this bullshit?

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:15:10am

Said it before about him but as far as I am concerned he owns it. He shares responsibility like any supporter of terror. Tim McVeigh smiles from the grave.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:16:44am

Trump trying to do a Chris Rock I aint saying it’s right, but I understand.

I’d leave that to the professionals.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:18:29am

Ah, we’ve spotted The Reasonable Asshole in the wild. Watch as he Tells It Like It Is.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:20:15am

Stochastic terrorism. Plain and simple.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:20:26am
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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:20:53am

Does his money follow his mouth? Often right? Might be worth looking at if he or his people have been adding cash to rhetoric. Follow his money.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:21:32am

Hey, it’s not Chuck Todd’s job.

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Jayleia  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:23:57am

re: #7 Great White Snark

He’d only put money into a cause if it was YOOOGGEEE and very, VERY classy, I don’t doubt that he’d be a stochastic terrorist if he knew what the words meant, I just don’t think he’d be putting a lot of money into groups like the CMP

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electrotek  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:24:35am

Isn’t it quite telling that Muslims were more proactive in condemning Paris than conservatives were in condemning the Planned Parenthood attack?

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:24:57am
In the last 30 days, Governor Greg Abbott threatened to cut off Medicaid payments to Planned Parenthood affiliates in Texas and delivered subpoenas to clinics in Texas, seeking an extensive amount of information, including home addresses for staffers and family members — a point the state has since relented on, Hons said.
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Governor of Texas pretending he hasn’t been trying to intimidate and destroy a women’s healthcare provider.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:27:25am

Also today on Meet the Press, Chuck Todd asked his panel, “Are we living in a post-truth world?”

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Tigger2  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:27:29am

I then blocked him I have no time to waste on liars.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:27:53am

re: #11 jaunte

Governor of Texas pretending he hasn’t been trying to intimidate and destroy a women’s healthcare provider.

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I’m surprise he didn’t hashtag the NRA or TCOT.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:28:26am

re: #13 Tigger2

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I then blocked him I have no time to waste on liars.

I’m getting fed up with them. I really am.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:30:48am

re: #13 Tigger2

I blocked him after the first comment.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:31:50am

Michael McCaul with another mealy-mouthed denial:

Friday’s shooting spree at a Colorado Springs, Colo. Planned Parenthood clinic was not an act of terrorism in the opinion of the House Homeland Security Committee’s chairman.

“It’s a tragedy… It’s, I think, a mental health crisis,” said Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) on ABC News’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos.”

“I don’t think it would fall under quite the definition of domestic terrorism, although I’ll leave that to the Justice Department to make that determination,” he added.thehill.com

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:32:09am

re: #11 jaunte

I cannot stand my governor.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:32:12am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Also today on Meet the Press, Chuck Todd asked his panel, “Are we living in a post-truth world?”

Well Chuckie, who’s fucking fault is that Mr. It’s Not My Job to Determine If Someone Is Lying?

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:32:52am

re: #13 Tigger2

Good Citizen was a Pre Block.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:33:23am

re: #17 jaunte

Michael McCaul with another mealy-mouthed denial:

Fucker.

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:33:32am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Also today on Meet the Press, Chuck Todd asked his panel, “Are we living in a post-truth world?”

Project much Mr Todd?
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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:33:43am
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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:33:56am

I wish Twitter made a button called Buddy Block: any time a Follower blocked somebody it automatically blocked them for you.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:34:25am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Also today on Meet the Press, Chuck Todd asked his panel, “Are we living in a post-truth world?”

But I thought that Liberals were the ones that didn’t understand truth, what with our situational ethics, moral relativism and the fact that we don’t have an underlying code of morality? /∞

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:34:42am

Maybe ChuckTodd and all of these other media types who “interview” a photo of Trump every week should just call their part in too. Why should they show up if he doesn’t have to?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:34:45am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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Or likens them to the Nazis but yeah “Both sides.” Man these guys are pathetic but what’s fucked is a lot of people will buy this crap.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:36:36am

Seriously, I thought one of their own killing a cop might take it down a couple of fucking notches, but I guess they like the bloodbath and don’t give a fuck who gets gunned down. Even the fucking FOP in Colorado Springs put out a shitty statement just to keep the nastiness flowing.

I love men, I do, but I honestly think this culture needs to re-evaluate what “manly” is because it sure as hell isn’t this bullshit. Too much testosterone leads to nothing but fucking trouble. This is all a dick measuring contest to these fucking assholes and people are dying. Not to mention just how much this fucking crap gets in the way of actual progress so this nation can move forward and be “made great again”.

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KGxvi  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:36:38am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Also today on Meet the Press, Chuck Todd asked his panel, “Are we living in a post-truth world?”

Post modern politics. Reality has been replaced with surreality.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:36:48am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Carson’s ‘both sides’ comment is the result of both sides of his lobotomy both of his frontal lobes.

Uh…whoops.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:38:13am

re: #13 Tigger2

Dear couldn’t shoot anyone from PP because he couldn’t get past the vestibule because the doors were locked.
Since PP has said that no staff or patients were harmed and the facility was a stand-alone structure away from all other buildings except one, I’ve had a terrifying thought about who the other non-LEO victims were.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:40:50am

This is going to keep on happening and Republicans are going to continue to offer empty rhetoric about mental health all the while opposing any efforts to actually do something about it because their ass belongs to the gun lobby. No, gun regulation won’t totally prevent these things from happening but I do feel it could at least decrease them.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:41:29am

This tweet really took off…

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:43:00am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:43:48am

re: #34 jaunte

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Tigger2  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:43:53am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

This is going to keep on happening and Republicans are going to continue to offer empty rhetoric about mental health all the while opposing any efforts to actually do something about it because their ass belongs to the gun lobby. No, gun regulation won’t totally prevent these things from happening but I do feel it could at least decrease them.

I hate to say this but one thing that might end it is someone that loses a loved one in one of these senseless shooting goes on a rampage inside the NRA headquarters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:44:42am

The Magic Balance Butcher is the new star of the RW Talking Points

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:45:42am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Someone needs to ask these motherfuckers what they’re going to do about mental health then, because I’m not hearing shit about that either. They do not give a shit. Hell, one of their own got shot (Gabby Giffords) and they couldn’t be bothered to do a thing after that either. Nothing moves these assholes. But it’s funny how Congress is a “gun free zone” isn’t it?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:46:09am

re: #36 Tigger2

I hate to say this but one thing that might end it is someone that loses a loved one in one of these senseless shooting goes on a rampage inside the NRA headquarters.

No, I’ve been thinking the same too that it would take a tragedy hitting close to home. I hate thinking that way too and I hope it wouldn’t happen but I think that’s the only way we’d get a change of heart. It’s always “Too soon” which I think is unbelievably insensitive to the victims’ families.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:46:35am

re: #38 A Mom Anon

Someone needs to ask these motherfuckers what they’re going to do about mental health then, because I’m not hearing shit about that either. They do not give a shit. Hell, one of their own got shot (Gabby Giffords) and they couldn’t be bothered to do a thing after that either. Nothing moves these assholes. But it’s funny how Congress is a “gun free zone” isn’t it?

The NRA has tight rules on guns too.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:46:53am

Afternoon Lizardim. We are bracing for impact with snow in tomorrow’s forecast. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cold and cloudy winter day?

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Kryptik  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:47:14am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Magic Balance Butcher is the new star of the RW Talking Points

Hardly new, but still effective enough to keep the media on the usual Both Sides Same thing* bullshit again whenever anyone on the right is caught with their hands dirty.

(*With the same usual corollary of ‘But Dems do it more and are always worse’)

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:47:22am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Magic Balance Butcher is the new star of the RW Talking Points

It’s like a Magical Balance Dancing With The Wingnut Stars.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:48:28am

re: #30 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Carson’s ‘both sides’ comment is the result of both sides of his lobotomy both of his frontal lobes.

Uh…whoops.

One of the other things Conservatives do when they are losing an argument (other than saying something so you’ll get distracted by calling them racist) is drop to the “both sides are wrong” line.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:49:09am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Also today on Meet the Press, Chuck Todd asked his panel, “Are we living in a post-truth world?”

I mentioned that earlier this morning. I asked then if Chuck ever watched his own fucking show?

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Kryptik  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:49:09am

re: #38 A Mom Anon

Someone needs to ask these motherfuckers what they’re going to do about mental health then, because I’m not hearing shit about that either. They do not give a shit. Hell, one of their own got shot (Gabby Giffords) and they couldn’t be bothered to do a thing after that either. Nothing moves these assholes. But it’s funny how Congress is a “gun free zone” isn’t it?

Same thing that the assholes demanding that we ‘take care of our own’ before allowing any refugees here will do for ‘our own’, the folks suffering in our own cities, the poor and un- or under-employed.

In other words, not a goddamn thing except use them as a political bludgeon and miracle shield against any and all accusations against them of impropriety.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:49:16am

re: #43 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

It’s like a Magical Balance Dancing With The Wingnut Stars.

“But PP are murderers!” will be part of any discussion of these shootings…despite the fact that one of the victims had nothing to do with PP at all. Although I guess it will be argued that is his own fault for “protecting murderers”…

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:49:50am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:50:12am

re: #44 Belafon

One of the other things Conservatives do when they are losing an argument (other than saying something so you’ll get distracted by calling them racist) is drop to the “both sides are wrong” line.

I hate the both sides people. No, both sides are no t as bad. The left isn’t pefect but the left also hasn’t stood against any progress either.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:50:57am

re: #41 thedopefishlives

My son took a big step today. He had to ask for a schedule change at work because he’s got a loose crown on one of his teeth that has to be looked at tomorrow. He was scared, but did it anyway. He’s still scared of what’s coming at the dentist, but he’s been through wisdom teeth surgery and crowns on his front teeth when they got broke off when he was in 6th grade (one of them is the loose one that has to be fixed). I think he’s also worried about the cost, it’s coming out of his bank account, lol. This new job of his has opened a whole world for him. He’s reaching out socially and making friends, going to concerts and doing stuff with other guys his age. It’s a big deal.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:51:12am

re: #18 Belafon

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I cannot stand my governor.

I cannot stand your governor either. Of course I cannot stand mine (Johnny Kasich) and several other state’s governors, so…

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gwangung  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:51:31am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I hate the both sides people. No, both sides are no t as bad. The left isn’t pefect but the left also hasn’t stood against any progress either.

It’s an intellectually lazy argument. They don’t want to do the work to see who’s doing more harm; if one side is not pure as the driven snow, then “both sides are doing it.”

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:53:19am

If you believe that abortion = murder, then to be consistent you would have to pass laws that any doctor who performs an abortion AND any woman who has one be charged accordingly.

With the exception of some of the most extreme fringe, nobody on the right wants to even discuss that. When you do raise the issue, start to spin, deflect and deny.

RBS

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:57:10am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dear couldn’t shoot anyone from PP because he couldn’t get past the vestibule because the doors were locked.
Since PP has said that no staff or patients were harmed and the facility was a stand-alone structure away from all other buildings except one, I’ve had a terrifying thought about who the other non-LEO victims were.

If the other victims were “pro-Life” protestors, the #tcot Twitter mob would have been screaming about it nonstop for the past 48 hours.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:58:51am

re: #52 gwangung

It’s an intellectually lazy argument. They don’t want to do the work to see who’s doing more harm; if one side is not pure as the driven snow, then “both sides are doing it.”

Precisely. I peronally think it’s a lame effort to try to appear “above it all.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:59:19am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

If the other victims were “pro-Life” protestors, the #tcot Twitter mob would have been screaming about it nonstop for the past 48 hours.

Since none of them have been identified yet, I’m gritting my teeth.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:59:42am

“Violent madman,” how random.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:59:49am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

It is weird they haven’t said who the other two were. I’m pretty sure if they were pro lifers, others who were there would have been all over the news by now. But I guess we won’t know til this week.

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Snarknado!  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:03:42pm

re: #50 A Mom Anon

My son took a big step today. He had to ask for a schedule change at work because he’s got a loose crown on one of his teeth that has to be looked at tomorrow. He was scared, but did it anyway. He’s still scared of what’s coming at the dentist, but he’s been through wisdom teeth surgery and crowns on his front teeth when they got broke off when he was in 6th grade (one of them is the loose one that has to be fixed). I think he’s also worried about the cost, it’s coming out of his bank account, lol. This new job of his has opened a whole world for him. He’s reaching out socially and making friends, going to concerts and doing stuff with other guys his age. It’s a big deal.

Glad to hear he’s doing so well. (And if the crown only needs to be recemented, it shouldn’t cost that much.)

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Mattand  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:03:53pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Both sides.

Jesus Christ, it’s like watching a kid with his hand caught in a cookie jar claim he’s didn’t take anything. The entire GOP has been whipping up this viciousness against Planned Parenthood for decades, and when the mouth breathers that make up the party membership act on it, they’re shocked. Shocked.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:04:08pm

Fiorina is every bit as caustic as Trumpet just not as out loud and proud.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:04:19pm
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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:04:58pm

The “Center For Medical Progress” TL is chock full of nasty provocation.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:06:57pm
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Tigger2  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:08:22pm

re: #63 jaunte

The “Center For Medical Progress” TL is chock full of nasty provocation.

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And when you stand with Center For Medical Progress you are standing with terrorist tactics..

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:09:25pm

re: #63 jaunte

Oh wow, you’re right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:10:30pm

re: #63 jaunte

The “Center For Medical Progress” TL is chock full of nasty provocation.

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And the asshole who runs that joint has the gall to say he considers people at PP “friends.”

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:11:22pm

I wonder if he’ll threaten to sue?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:12:09pm

re: #68 FormerDirtDart

I wonder if he’ll threaten to sue?

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Racist tweets are coming.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:12:29pm

re: #59 Snarknado!

Yeah, we’re hoping that’s all it is. They used the remainders of his original teeth to make the little pegs the crowns are attached to, close to 10 yrs ago. If the actual tooth peg is loose, then we’re looking at an implant. Sigh. Poor kid is super stressed.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:14:07pm

re: #50 A Mom Anon

Oh, good for him. Adulting is hard and I always have a soft spot for people who try to make the transition and fail. I hope he can find success.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:14:20pm

re: #68 FormerDirtDart

I wonder if he’ll threaten to sue?

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But I thought there were all these black pastors that supported Trump and were going to win him a hooooge number of black votes.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:14:22pm

re: #65 Tigger2

And when you stand with pro-lifers you are standing with Terrorist.

No, not always. It’s possible to condemn abortion without inciting violence, and many pro-life groups do so. But the ones that don’t get more attention because people naturally pay attention to those things that pose a danger (this is evolution in action).

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:14:45pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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Spirograph!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:14:49pm

re: #69 The Vicious Babushka

Racist tweets are coming.

The private meeting isn’t cancelled (yet) just The Don’s post celebratory coronation.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:14:49pm

re: #68 FormerDirtDart

I wonder if he’ll threaten to sue?

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Apparently the “100 Minister Endorsement” was actually somewhat fewer agreeing to meet with him for a discussion.

Hate it when I suffer from Premature Endorsement…

RBS
Feel free to steal that line if you want.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:14:51pm

re: #63 jaunte

The “Center For Medical Progress” TL is chock full of nasty provocation.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:15:07pm

re: #68 FormerDirtDart

I wonder if he’ll threaten to sue?

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“Forced to cancel” because he got shredded in the press? Aww, the poor widdle baby. Can’t take the heat, then maybe he should get out of the kitchen.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:15:28pm

re: #69 The Vicious Babushka

Racist tweets will continue are coming.

Fixed your typo.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:15:52pm

re: #70 A Mom Anon

Yeah, we’re hoping that’s all it is. They used the remainders of his original teeth to make the little pegs the crowns are attached to, close to 10 yrs ago. If the actual tooth peg is loose, then we’re looking at an implant. Sigh. Poor kid is super stressed.

My middle one went over the handle bars of his bike and broke parts of his front two teeth. Our dentist did a reconstruction job, but I expect to have to get him crowns at some point in the future.

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Tigger2  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:15:59pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

No, not always. It’s possible to condemn abortion without inciting violence, and many pro-life groups do so. But the ones that don’t get more attention because people naturally pay attention to those things that pose a danger (this is evolution in action).

I don’t give any of them any leeway they are all in cahoots some just tone in down better then others.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:16:12pm
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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:18:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:18:57pm

kktv.com

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:19:01pm

re: #72 Belafon

But I thought there were all these black pastors that supported Trump and were going to win him a hooooge number of black votes.

That was before his campaign proclaimed the deal was done before the day it was to be signed. And frankly, I don’t understand that, since that’s not a mistake I would expect Donald Trump to make. He understands endorsement etiquette quite well, and normally he can pick capable people. So did someone just jump the gun?

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Tigger2  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:19:30pm

re: #81 Tigger2

I don’t give any of them any leeway they are all in cahoots some just tone in down better then others.

And I’ll tell you one big reason why I can’t stand pro-lifers it’s because their caring ends as soon as the baby is born.

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allegro  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:19:35pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

No, not always. It’s possible to condemn abortion without inciting violence, and many pro-life groups do so. But the ones that don’t get more attention because people naturally pay attention to those things that pose a danger (this is evolution in action).

Facts not in evidence.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:20:26pm

That Trump with the pastors thing is really odd. I wonder if he thought he could call a political meeting with them under the guise of a BLM discussion. Then he could show it all in media snippets and self made commercials and make it look like they were endorsing him when all they were doing was giving him a bit of their time to see where it would go.

Images of Trump with Black Ministers would be all over.

“They love me. They know I’m Great!”

Dude is a user. People are there to be climbed on or stepped over on the way to the top.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:20:30pm

re: #76 Reality Based Steve

Apparently the “100 Minister Endorsement” was actually somewhat fewer agreeing to meet with him for a discussion.

Hate it when I suffer from Premature Endorsement…

RBS
Feel free to steal that line if you want.

One, one hundred, what’s the difference??
I mean 1000 “protesters”, a dozens or so…It’s all the same…

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:21:03pm

This is what “personal responsibility” looks like to wingnuts: “I don’t agree with the actions of the guy who I provoked with months and months of negative rhetoric, BUT I do understand why he’d do it.”

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:21:48pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And Fiorina evokes BLM…..you know, because “both sides do it”:

And Fiorina seems to be sticking to her proverbial guns. Though she called the murder of three people (one that appears to be motivated by ideology) a “tragedy,” she added, “Any protesters should always be peaceful. Whether it’s Black Lives Matter or pro-life protesters.”

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:22:29pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

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kktv.com

So the two ID’d dead are a police officer and a black man. That says a great deal about the shooter when its added to his rage at President Obama.

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JDRhoades  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:23:08pm

If you started a conversation with “yeah, the 9/11 attacks were awful, but bin Laden had some legitimate grievances,” you’d be lynched.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:24:26pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

No, not always. It’s possible to condemn abortion without inciting violence, and many pro-life groups do so. But the ones that don’t get more attention because people naturally pay attention to those things that pose a danger (this is evolution in action).

Every group that equates abortion with murder is inciting violence.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:25:42pm

re: #88 ObserverArt

That Trump with the pastors thing is really odd. I wonder if he thought he could call a political meeting with them under the guise of a BLM discussion. Then he could show it all in media snippets and self made commercials and make it look like they were endorsing him when all they were doing was giving him a bit of their time to see where it would go.

Images of Trump with Black Ministers would be all over.

“They love me. They know I’m Great!”

Dude is a user. People are there to be climbed on or stepped over on the way to the top.

Special Report: Trump’s art of the deal - Dispute your bills (h/t Daily Kos):

The billionaire front-runner to be the Republican candidate in the U.S. presidential race says he sometimes refuses to pay bills from contractors he has hired and then forces them to negotiate the final figure down.

“I’ve had many people that when they work for me they get very rich,” Trump said in an interview with Reuters, but, “sometimes I renegotiate.” Adding: “I’ll do that with probably 10 or 15 percent of contractors.”

The strategy has left some small business owners who have done jobs for him over three decades of real estate deals saying they have felt cheated and don’t want to ever work for him again. In a number of cases they have also faced big legal bills from subsequent court action.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:25:44pm
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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:26:45pm

re: #91 Dr. Matt

And Fiorina evokes BLM…..you know, because “both sides do it”:

BLM has been peaceful. Some of its protests have attracted ‘riot tourists’, but no BLM leader has ever supported nor defended acts of assault, theft, or arson.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:26:45pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

Every group that equates abortion with murder is inciting violence.

Every group that equates abortion with murder is inciting violence.

A more appropriate font

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:26:56pm

re: #93 JDRhoades

If you started a conversation with “yeah, the 9/11 attacks were awful, but bin Laden had some legitimate grievances,” you’d be lynched.

Don’t even have to go that far. The wingnuts went nuts when people suggested that, while they didn’t condone riots and violence during anti-cop protests, they did understand the anger behind it.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:28:27pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

Every group that equates abortion with murder is inciting violence.

Because in every other rationale in ours and most other societies, murder is justified for all kinds of reasons, especially to save innocents.

It is intellectually fragile to to repeatedly state abortion is murder but you don’t support the murder of people who provide abortions. It’s extremely precarious.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:31:29pm

Donald Trump has fucked over people who worked for him.
What a surprise.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:33:41pm

re: #101 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump has fucked over people who worked for him.
What a surprise.

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The answer to all Trump questions:

“Because I can.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:33:52pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

Every group that equates abortion with murder is inciting violence.

Have to agree with this. If you’re likening abortion to murder or genocide, you are inciting violence and hate.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:34:31pm

re: #100 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Because in every other rationale in ours and most other societies, murder is justified for all kinds of reasons, especially to save innocents.

It is intellectually fragile to to repeatedly state abortion is murder but you don’t support the murder of people who provide abortions. It’s extremely precarious.

True and point conceded. I’m not up to arguing the distinctions I’d need to try to make to reply. I don’t know enough about the issue and my narcolepsy is weighing me down a decent bit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:35:19pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Don’t even have to go that far. The wingnuts went nuts when people suggested that, while they didn’t condone riots and violence during anti-cop protests, they did understand the anger behind it.

They cared more about the CVS that got destroyed in Baltimore than the man who lost his life. Wingnuts dont give a goddamn about humanity especially minorities.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:35:41pm

Here’s a “moderate” pro-lifer Governor, using the power of the state to intimidate healthcare workers:

In the last 30 days, Governor Greg Abbott threatened to cut off Medicaid payments to Planned Parenthood affiliates in Texas and delivered subpoenas to clinics in Texas, seeking an extensive amount of information, including home addresses for staffers and family members — a point the state has since relented on, Hons[Jeffrey Hons, CEO of Planned Parenthood South Texas] said.
sacurrent.com

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:36:01pm

re: #83 Dr. Matt

If facts mattered, 10-13 of the 14 candidates would already be post-candidates working the GOP bread-lines (aka think tanks, punditry, etc.) As it is, most of them still have a chance because facts don’t matter. Trump’s only the most visible of the liars. But you go down the line, and you see Cruz, Rubio, Jeb and all the rest lying their asses off about their current and former positions.

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electrotek  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:36:57pm

re: #93 JDRhoades

If you started a conversation with “yeah, the 9/11 attacks were awful, but bin Laden had some legitimate grievances,” you’d be lynched.

Shockingly enough, I heard similar rhetoric from right-wing anti-Muslim bigots after Breivik’s massacre and bombing 4 years ago. Remember Pat Buchanan’s infamous headline of “What if Breivik was right”?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:37:36pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

True and point conceded. I’m not up to arguing the distinctions I’d need to try to make to reply. I don’t know enough about the issue and my narcolepsy is weighing me down a decent bit.

Well the fact of the matter is since Roe was decided over 40 years ago, anti-abortion movements of all kind have called it legalized murder and likened it to genocide. Oen reason why I realized while I personally opposed abortion, I could never join the political movement to ban it is because that movement is full of hate and likes shouting at women entering these clinics. IF you truly are pro-life, you wouldn’t do that kind of thing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:38:14pm

re: #106 jaunte

Here’s a “moderate” pro-lifer Governor, using the power of the state to intimidate healthcare workers:

Exactly.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:39:52pm

You might wonder what family members of PP staff have to do with abortion.

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:40:28pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’ve confirmed with family that Ke’Arre Stewart was shot and killed during the Planned Parenthood shooting.
1:22 PM - 29 Nov 2015

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:40:42pm

re: #111 jaunte

You might wonder what family members of PP staff have to do with abortion.

Guilt by association.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:42:21pm
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Teukka  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:42:52pm

re: #112 blueraven

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How many identities are left?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:44:02pm

Trump condones terrorism.
/Shocka!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:44:57pm

re: #115 Teukka

How many identities are left?

That’s all three of the dead. There are (I think) nine wounded.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:46:04pm

When a jihadi blows up a night club or shoots a bunch of folks, wingnuts are quick to scream that the entire ideology that such men follow is rotten to the core, that any who follow it are suspect, and if you don’t condemn it in full then you condone it totally.

But as soon as a white terrorist shoots up a bunch of folks, immediately his actions are not a result of ideology but mental illness, that the ideology that guided him is not at fault, and any who suggest that the people who follow that ideology are suspect are the ones in the wrong.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:46:19pm

re: #115 Teukka

All known deceased victims have been identified.

There are still 9 victims in hospitals whose injuries are still in unknown states, so the death count could go higher (I hope not, but we don’t know at this point)

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Teukka  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:46:53pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s all three of the dead. There are (I think) nine wounded.

Oh, I thought there were something like five, got my numbers crossed it seems. I wonder why they were at the scene? Friends? Relatives? Innocent bystanders?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:47:10pm

Looks like Flor-duh wasn’t always the Land of Derp.

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:47:16pm

re: #115 Teukka

How many identities are left?

That is it for fatalities. Injured not yet named.

So sad -

Family members identified the woman as Jennifer Markovsky, a 1997 Waianae High School graduate.

Her family said she was at the Planned Parenthood clinic supporting a friend. Her friend was shot in the hand.

“The family is grieving. We’re all shocked,” one of Markovsky’s relatives said.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:50:28pm

re: #121 Dr. Matt

Looks like Flor-duh wasn’t always the Land of Derp.

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Floriduh couple visit Lower Alabama, spread Thanksgiving cheer and De Soto’s Revenge.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:52:39pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

When a jihadi blows up a night club or shoots a bunch of folks, wingnuts are quick to scream that the entire ideology that such men follow is rotten to the core, that any who follow it are suspect, and if you don’t condemn it in full then you condone it totally.

But as soon as a white terrorist shoots up a bunch of folks, immediately his actions are not a result of ideology but mental illness, that the ideology that guided him is not at fault, and any who suggest that the people who follow that ideology are suspect are the ones in the wrong.

They strongly react to anybody suggesting there is a correlation in their ideology is a conspiracy theory by their ideological antagonists to ‘get them.’

It’s totally warped.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:52:39pm

re: #122 blueraven

I was reading earlier that this PP location did not provide abortions. I am not sure if this is true or not (it was via addicting info and they sometimes get lots of details wrong), but even so, what the dumbass haters don’t understand is that not all clinics provide all services. So, if this clinic was not one that did surgical procedures that makes this all the more disgusting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:53:27pm

re: #125 A Mom Anon

adicting info is incorrect.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:55:36pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

They had what they said was a transcript of the radio back and forth during the shooting with some commentary, and that was one of the things mentioned by the author, not the transcript.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:55:47pm

re: #122 blueraven

That is it for fatalities. Injured not yet named.

So sad -

I found a Pinterest image from a Colorado Springs school of a Jennifer Markovsky playing with her 5-year-old daughter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:57:14pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

When a jihadi blows up a night club or shoots a bunch of folks, wingnuts are quick to scream that the entire ideology that such men follow is rotten to the core, that any who follow it are suspect, and if you don’t condemn it in full then you condone it totally.

But as soon as a white terrorist shoots up a bunch of folks, immediately his actions are not a result of ideology but mental illness, that the ideology that guided him is not at fault, and any who suggest that the people who follow that ideology are suspect are the ones in the wrong.

Spot on.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:59:07pm

re: #128 FormerDirtDart

I found a Pinterest image from a Colorado Springs school of a Jennifer Markovsky playing with her 5-year-old daughter.

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That’s probably her. Poor little girl. Yeah they’re truly pro-life . ///-

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dell*nix  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:59:16pm

re: #122 blueraven

I understand that five cops were shot with one dead. The rest of those shot seem to be those who escorted family or friends. I suspect that not all patients were there for abortions as the clinic seems to have done all kinds of health care.

Piss on the gop and its ilk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:59:27pm

re: #127 A Mom Anon

plannedparenthood.org

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:00:53pm

If a friend or family member needs someone to go with them to PP, I’ll be there for them. I used to try to straddle this issue. Not anymore. I’m 110% pro-choice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:03:27pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

The answer to all Trump questions:

“Because I can.”

Or, in his mind, because he FUCKING can.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:04:08pm

Are there credible studies out there regarding stochastic terrorism and the results? Are there laws that would apply to this kind of terrorism or is it too tricky to prosecute outright? Because in this case at least, it seems to me that the group that made the PP “expose” videos could be held somewhat accountable. There’s also been an increase in threats and violence towards PP locations since these videos were made public, but I guess you can’t prove cause and effect there, even though it’s freaking obvious. Especially the reactions online and on radio and TV of all the forced birth advocates out there. It’s like a big endless loop of provocation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:05:40pm

“Yes your honor, I loaded the gun and cocked it, but I absolutely did NOT fire it and therefore am not responsible for what happened.”

Just call it the Huckabee defense.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:06:24pm

What craven transparent hypocrites these RWNJ leaders are. “Yeah, Planned Parenthood is a pack of depraved devil-beasts who butcher tiny babies and sell their bodies for profit, but we don’t condone violence against them.”

On their face the RW claims would justify ANY level of force needed to stop the atrocity.
What would WE do stop someone from slaughtering helpless children?
A while back I said that I would be willing to personally shoot an attacker to stop him from murdering Pamela Geller. If that is an ethical position in regard to crazy Pam, and it is, how much more ethical would it be if actual babies were the victims?

To hell with Trump and the rest of the inciters. It is there for all to see: These lying hypocrites have carefully and willfully crafted a justification for violence, then shamelessly deny that they have done so.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:06:44pm

Next PP will be attacked for “politicizing” this tragedy if not already.

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Tigger2  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:07:32pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

If a friend or family member needs someone to go with them to PP, I’ll be there for them. I used to try to straddle this issue. Not anymore. I’m 110% pro-choice.

My Daughter had to use PP quite a few years ago, but we have never had any protest in the town I live if we had them then I would have carried and went with her.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:09:04pm

As part of the contracting world I know that game that Trump plays. We never drive Change Orders: they are driven by the client or contracted equipment coming out of availability or price changes.

Re-negotiating a contract sans CO’s driven by client or due to cost changes in precedent is totally not acceptable and cause for us to never work for you again.

If a developer or contractor thinks they can get away with it they will try it. If you’re in too deep on a contract and need that big payment they got you by the bota bag and know in many cases you’ll settle for less because you need that big payment.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:11:06pm

re: #111 jaunte

You might wonder what family members of PP staff have to do with abortion.

I believe Texas was trying to find out how rich PP workers are by selling fetal tissue. Abbott’s not only a governor, he’s a believer.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:12:27pm

re: #141 Belafon

I believe Texas was trying to find out how rich PP workers are by selling fetal tissue. Abbott’s not only a governor, he’s a believer.

In what, exactly? Not the Bible.

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:12:50pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Next PP will be attacked for “politicizing” this tragedy if not already.

Or “fundraising” off it, even though the added costs of providing adequate security to these facilities is significant (to say nothing of making secure rooms, providing bulletproof vests, and other security measures).

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:14:09pm

Negotiating to get paid for work you’ve already done is something contractors and owners in the biz look to exploit. Never have a huge payment due at the end or you’re going to lose some of it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:15:33pm

re: #143 lawhawk

Or “fundraising” off it, even though the added costs of providing adequate security to these facilities is significant (to say nothing of making secure rooms, providing bulletproof vests, and other security measures).

Or accused of trying to use the tragedy to deflect attention from their “crimes,” i.e. the continued insistence that they’re violating federal laws (which they aren’t), shielding child rapists (which, again, they aren’t), and various other accusations being used to support the on-going witch hunt.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:15:42pm

re: #140 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

If a developer or contractor thinks they can get away with it they will try it. If you’re in too deep on a contract and need that big payment the got you by the bota bag and know in many cases you’ll settle for less because you need that big payment.

Which is why minimum wage laws are necessary. People have to eat and when you’re earning barely enough to do that, the employer has too much power.

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:16:12pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:16:34pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Next PP will be attacked for “politicizing” this tragedy if not already.

The wingnuts on Twitter have been doing that since Friday afternoon.

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electrotek  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:16:44pm
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electrotek  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:17:29pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:17:30pm

re: #149 electrotek

Who cares if it’s perfect or if it has faults? Does that mean they deserve to get shot up and killed?

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:17:34pm

re: #149 electrotek

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Ah, the “they’re no angels” bit.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:17:55pm

re: #143 lawhawk

The mere fact that PP locations have to be built like high security fortresses and have storage for bullet proof vests speaks volumes. And not about Planned Parenthood. This shit should not still be happening and it wouldn’t be if politicians and media would STOP humoring these fucking people and their belief that they are God’s Chosen Messengers and Law Bringers. Decades of this shit is enough already.

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:20:12pm
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electrotek  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:21:12pm

She lost it

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:21:20pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

They cared more about the CVS that got destroyed in Baltimore than the man who lost his life. Wingnuts dont give a goddamn about humanity especially minorities.

That’s because everyone outside their ‘tribe’ isn’t human.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:22:01pm

re: #150 electrotek

I suspect Daily Signal is some place I’d rather not visit.

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electrotek  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:25:49pm
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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:30:00pm

denverpost.com According to this link, one of the dead in this shooting was a veteran home from Iraq and a father of two.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:32:27pm
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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:33:12pm
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Snarknado!  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:33:33pm

re: #70 A Mom Anon

Yeah, we’re hoping that’s all it is. They used the remainders of his original teeth to make the little pegs the crowns are attached to, close to 10 yrs ago. If the actual tooth peg is loose, then we’re looking at an implant. Sigh. Poor kid is super stressed.

As a survivor of more dental work than I care to remember, I note, in case it’s of use, that most dental procedures can be delayed without much risk if you need to acquire the cash you need. (And an implant will mean yanking out whatever’s there first, so potential damage from delay probably isn’t an issue.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:34:12pm

re: #143 lawhawk

Or “fundraising” off it, even though the added costs of providing adequate security to these facilities is significant (to say nothing of making secure rooms, providing bulletproof vests, and other security measures).

The “fundraising” accusations started getting made while the bullets were still flying.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:35:07pm

re: #161 blueraven

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But the only time that wingnuts want to talk about domestic terrorism is the slot at the top, the 60s-80s era when groups like Weather Underground were running around. If you ask them, that’s the only time that white people could be terrorists in America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:35:28pm

re: #149 electrotek

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*cough*Komen*cough*

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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:39:02pm

Not much has been said yet about the police officer that died. He was a devout family man, elder and pastor at his church, opposed to PP but that didn’t matter according to his friends, family and colleagues. He was totally selfless. The shooting wasn’t even in his jurisdiction. But he died throwing his life on the line. Today is his son’s birthday, too.

Why aren’t more wingers talking about him? Oh thats right, he was a TRUE Christian.

…I’d post a link but my iPad mini and this site are a little wonky together. 9 News Denver

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:41:16pm

re: #166 Blizard

Not much has been said about the police officer that died. He was a devout family man, elder and pastor at his church, opposed to PP but that didn’t matter according to his friends, family and colleagues. He was totally selfless. The shooting wasn’t even in his jurisdiction. But he died throwing his life on the line. Today is his son’s birthday, too.

Why aren’t more wingers talking about him? Oh thats right, he was a TRUE Christian.

…I’d post a link but my iPad mini and this site are a little wonky together. 9 News Denver

Yeah, the “War on Cops” and “All Lives Matter” only seem to be buzzwords when a black man is involved. When it’s a white terrorist who shoots multiple cops and leaves one dead, suddenly the wingnuts want to change the subject.

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Tigger2  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:45:46pm

I think the emergence of Evangelical Christians has hurt the True Christians of the past. I struggle sometimes to find the similarity of their teaching on most things.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:46:38pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

So he murdered a police officer, an Iraq war veteran and a woman there to support a friend(possibly a mom too). And still nothing from the right but half ass condemnations and more inciting language about PP murdering babies and chopping them up for parts.

Nice values, real nice.

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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:49:12pm

re: #168 Tigger2

Not to mention, democrats can be Christian too. And some of us own guns. Mind blowing to many.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:49:21pm
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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:52:37pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

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Coming from the goddamn liar who wants to use the National Guard to shut down clinics.

Fuck you, Huckabee!!!!!!!

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:53:14pm

Personal responsibility for wingnuts is screaming on an hourly basis that “something” needs to be done about the “baby killers,” then expressing shock when somebody does “something.”

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:56:10pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

He doesn’t know any, or he’s choosing to be willfully ignorant so he can’t get caught up in the backlash?

Mike Huckabee, go fuck yourself sideways, you lying crapsack douchecanoe.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:56:43pm

Wow, Chucky just keeps getting more out there. Now he says the Planned Parenthood terrorist “saved lives.”

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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:56:53pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

What. The. Fuck. Huck.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:57:25pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

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Doesn’t know any who called for violence, but I’m sure he knows plenty who approve of it.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:57:28pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:58:28pm

Just thought I’d put this here, it’s from my Daily Twitter Meme Dump

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:58:37pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Look in the damned mirror, Huck.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:58:58pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Wow, Chucky just keeps getting more out there. Now he says the Planned Parenthood terrorist “saved lives.”

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LOL he borked the link to his grift.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:59:49pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

I’ve seen reports, unconfirmed, that the clinic did not perform abortion services.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:01:07pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

Someone should send him a list. Start with Operation Rescue and Army of God members and supporters.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:02:07pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

LOL he borked the link to his grift.

Inorite?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:02:25pm

re: #182 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I’ve seen reports, unconfirmed, that the clinic did not perform abortion services.

No, they did. It’s listed on their site.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:02:48pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

It is deeply ironic to me that he is disregarding the reports of the shooter’s words based on no “on the record source”, considering how many of his sources are anonymous, off-the-record sources.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:03:12pm

Chuck seems to have absolutely no awareness that when he posts these horrible things he’s handing ammunition to the lawyers for the National Abortion Federation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:05:16pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Chuck seems to have absolutely no awareness that when he posts these horrible things he’s handing ammunition to the lawyers for the National Abortion Federation.

I am sure they are emailing all this stuff to each other, while doubled over in uncontrollable laughing fits.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:07:06pm

The way that Republicans are acting about this act makes me think of the stereotypical cheating housewife who spends every meet-up with her beau moaning about how horrible her husband is and how if he was “out of the picture,” she and her squeeze could run off with all his money and live the good life in some exotic locale. Then, when hubby does wind up dead, screeching to any who will listen that she’s the “victim” because she’s now a widow and throwing her boyfriend to the wolves by insisting that it was all his idea to bump off her husband.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:07:52pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Wow, Chucky just keeps getting more out there. Now he says the Planned Parenthood terrorist “saved lives.”

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So that’s what he’s been drinking thinking on all night? He inflates himself into an actual journalist, writes as if anybody besides us is paying attention to him*, then tries to ask for money on the grounds that he’s the victim. And all that, without managing to hit F7 once.

You know, on the whole I live a pretty austere, unremarkable life that’s missing a lot of things people take for granted, like family, night life, and a girlfriend… But I could very easily wake up and thank any god of your choosing that I’m not a despised, worthless, grifting little psycho fuck like him.

*no, seriously, I think 95% of his readers come from LGF at this point, LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:11:16pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Chuck seems to have absolutely no awareness that when he posts these horrible things he’s handing ammunition to the lawyers for the National Abortion Federation.

And he still conflates PP with NAF.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:14:03pm

re: #182 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

They do, our Backwoods Sleuth schooled me on that one upthread. I had it coming, lol. I’ve got too many irons in the fire, need to hush up and check things better first.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:15:38pm

Hm… notice religious artifact on outside of trailer. Seems to exclude Rastafarians, Pastafarians, Buddhists, and Boko Haram as the source of his religious influence. I wasn’t sure before.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:17:33pm

re: #192 A Mom Anon

They do, our Backwoods Sleuth schooled me on that one upthread. I had it coming, lol. I’ve got too many irons in the fire, need to hush up and check things better first.

Yah, I was too lazy to look but knew Lizards would set me right. I think it was Addicted Info but cannot find know, maybe they pulled it.

Here’s the link to their page.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:19:44pm

re: #194 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I got it from a link to addicting info from somewhere else. I know better, I’ve gotten sloppy over the last month or more. Too many monkeys in my personal circus these days, heh.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:20:55pm

re: #193 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

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Hm… notice religious artifact on outside of trailer. Seems to exclude Rastafarians, Pastafarians, Buddhists, and Boko Haram as the source of his religious influence. I wasn’t sure before.

LIBRULS WENT TO THAT TRAILER, TOOK DOWN HIS I HEART OBAMA SIGNS AND PUT UP CROSSES AND PINUP POSTERS OF ANN COULTER

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Alephnaught  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:24:42pm

Charles, I’m seeing some creepy stuff on the “LGF Partners” sidebar:

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Teukka  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:25:42pm

re: #197 Alephnaught

Charles, I’m seeing some creepy stuff on the “LGF Partners” sidebar:

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What, that lie which has caused hell for the woman is still in circulation?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:27:30pm

re: #197 Alephnaught

me too.
Most of it is really gross.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:28:08pm

I gotta go pick up the Kid from work. Have a good evening all.

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Alephnaught  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:30:33pm

re: #198 Teukka

What, that lie which has caused hell for the woman is still in circulation?

Well, I was guessing it was a load of bollocks, but I didn’t know it was old. What’s the story?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:32:03pm

re: #197 Alephnaught

Charles, I’m seeing some creepy stuff on the “LGF Partners” sidebar:

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re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

me too.
Most of it is really gross.

LGF subscription
It’s worth it.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:32:24pm

Rejecting the idea that a terror attack could be caused by a video. Hmm, where have I heard that one before?

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Teukka  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:33:05pm

re: #201 Alephnaught

Well, I was guessing it was a load of bollocks, but I didn’t know it was old. What’s the story?

Basically, a very much alive and very much innocent woman is being portrayed as the “slutty female suicide bomber”, with risque photos in circulation apart from the more modest ones.
Apparently, the perp is a former friend of hers who did it for revenge or something.
She has received death threats and I seem to recall her family did too.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:34:16pm

Almost as bad as the toenail fungus ads.
//

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wrenchwench  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:34:17pm

I think they aren’t doing ‘in custody’ right.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:42:52pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

When a jihadi blows up a night club or shoots a bunch of folks, wingnuts are quick to scream that the entire ideology that such men follow is rotten to the core, that any who follow it are suspect, and if you don’t condemn it in full then you condone it totally.

But as soon as a white terrorist shoots up a bunch of folks, immediately his actions are not a result of ideology but mental illness, that the ideology that guided him is not at fault, and any who suggest that the people who follow that ideology are suspect are the ones in the wrong.

I’ve gotta admit that I’m rather enjoying watching the wingnuts beginning to realize how sharply the shoe pinches when it’s on the other foot. I only wish no one had been killed or injured in order for it to happen.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:43:30pm

re: #106 jaunte

Here’s a “moderate” pro-lifer Governor, using the power of the state to intimidate healthcare workers:

Looks like Gov Abbott is pretty good at making threats. He has also threatened non profits about helping Syrian refugees.

gawker.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:43:33pm

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

LGF subscription
It’s worth it.

I haz an LGF subscription.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:43:54pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

I’ve gotta admit that I’m rather enjoying watching the wingnuts beginning to realize how sharply the shoe pinches when it’s on the other foot. I only wish no one had been killed or injured in order for it to happen.

Schadenfreude is a favored pastime of the lizards.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:43:55pm

Koch brothers’ Libre Initiative to target Wisconsin Latinos

A multimillion-dollar effort aimed at winning over Latinos funded by conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch is looking to expand in Wisconsin.

The Libre Initiative is now hiring a state field director to be based in the Milwaukee area. It will be the first full-time paid staffer the group has had in the state, with the exception of its national spokeswoman — Rachel Campos-Duffy, the wife of U.S. Rep. Sean Duffy (R-Wis.).

“Are you looking for an exciting opportunity to promote free-market principles?” the job description reads. “The Libre Initiative is seeking a Wisconsin Field Director to develop, implement, and manage a statewide outreach strategy to ensure an effective grass-roots operation to support the organization’s vision and mission.”

Libre is a nonprofit organization that promotes economic freedom and small government principles. The group, which was founded in 2011, says its goal is “to empower the U.S. Hispanic community so it can thrive and contribute to a more prosperous America.”

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:47:08pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

I’ve gotta admit that I’m rather enjoying watching the wingnuts beginning to realize how sharply the shoe pinches when it’s on the other foot. I only wish no one had been killed or injured in order for it to happen.

The sad thing is, if no one was killed, they wouldn’t even be bothered.

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allegro  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:49:41pm

re: #212 Belafon

The sad thing is, if no one was killed, they wouldn’t even be bothered.

It isn’t the killings that bother them, it’s the media spotlight on their sick beliefs.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:50:36pm
Stop the Muslins
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:51:53pm

re: #211 Amory Blaine

Unconfirmed reports say the Koch brothers originally wanted to name the outreach “Nacho Libre”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:52:16pm

re: #214 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Autocorrect strikes again?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:53:24pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:53:25pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

I’ve gotta admit that I’m rather enjoying watching the wingnuts beginning to realize how sharply the shoe pinches when it’s on the other foot. I only wish no one had been killed or injured in order for it to happen.

Problem is that they’re not learning anything. In their minds, this is just another “random shooting,” with a “mentally ill” shooter, and the victims are “no angels.” At the same time, they see themselves as victims, that they’re being unfairly accused of being responsible for the shooting with their opposition to abortion and calls for “something” to be done. And the media, in an effort to keep alive this idea that we have two viable political parties, is humoring the idea that the motive of Dear is “unclear” and not taking even two seconds to suggest that all the anti-choice rhetoric had anything to do with setting him on his murderous rampage.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:57:53pm

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

Unconfirmed reports say the Koch brothers originally wanted to name the outreach “Nacho Libre”.

Ha, ha, very funny. :P

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:58:51pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart

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How soon before we never have to hear about/from Carly Fiorina ever again?

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:59:42pm

re: #220 b.d.

How soon before we never have to hear about/from Carly Fiorina ever again?

Not soon enough!

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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:01:45pm

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

Autocorrect strikes again?

I doubt it since Muslim is a proper noun and muslin isn’t. I wonder if a Muslim woman wearing muslin would make their heads explode—LOL. BTW, the name of the file below is exactly as it was at WIkipeida “Renaldis_muslin_woman.jpg”—I can’t help but wonder if it was tongue in cheek:

A woman in Dhaka clad in fine Bengali muslin, 18th-century
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:02:40pm
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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:03:45pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

Problem is that they’re not learning anything. In their minds, this is just another “random shooting,” with a “mentally ill” shooter, and the victims are “no angels.” At the same time, they see themselves as victims, that they’re being unfairly accused of being responsible for the shooting with their opposition to abortion and calls for “something” to be done. And the media, in an effort to keep alive this idea that we have two viable political parties, is humoring the idea that the motive of Dear is “unclear” and not taking even two seconds to suggest that all the anti-choice rhetoric had anything to do with setting him on his murderous rampage.

Sad, but true. Still, it’s making them squirm and that makes me happy.

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dholmes32  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:06:53pm

The stupidest man on the Internet strikes again:


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I sent a f/u tweet asking if she was serious.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:07:06pm

Steve Crowder is just as culpable for the shooting as Carly Fiorina==>

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:08:00pm

There is soooo much wrong with this that I can’t even begin.

Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) will be nearby in Laconia, N.H., answering questions about the Islamic State terrorist group at a wood-paneled Veterans of Foreign Wars hall and later at a “No B.S.” barbecue.

washingtonpost.com

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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:08:04pm

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

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The right’s amnesia about anti-choicers calling for violence is equally as keen as their ability to “remember” shit that never happened (like the non-existent crowds of Muslims/Arabs in NJ cheering on 9/11 as the towers fell).

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:10:04pm

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

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That’s those “Westboro Baptist Church” ghouls. They function as a refutation in this case, but it must be remembered that they stand only for themselves. Everybody else hates those fuckers.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:10:23pm

re: #225 dholmes32

The stupidest man on the Internet strikes again:

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I sent a f/u tweet asking if she was serious.

The wingnuts need a lie, any lie, that they can cling to that absolves them.

BUT the guy is alive and he will go on trial, he is not going to suddenly go mute.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:10:34pm

re: #211 Amory Blaine

Koch brothers’ Libre Initiative to target Wisconsin Latinos

*Spanish fluency not required.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:12:40pm

re: #230 b.d.

The wingnuts need a lie, any lie, that they can cling to that absolves them.

BUT the guy is alive and he will go on trial, he is not going to suddenly go mute.

We’re about to find out how liberal Colorado is about diminished capacity.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:12:48pm

One thought I did have: I wish we had more Colorado lizards because thinking about those Westboro ghouls is making me worry about PLL. They’re bound to put in an appearance and he’s in Colorado Springs right now. I dread what would happen if he were to catch sight of them, for I fear he’d do something rash.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:13:03pm

re: #227 b.d.

A No Barbecue Sauce BBQ? WTF IS THAT? THATS UNAMERICAN.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:14:12pm

re: #227 b.d.

There is soooo much wrong with this that I can’t even begin.

washingtonpost.com

What’s wrong with that?

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Alephnaught  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:15:27pm

re: #204 Teukka

Basically, a very much alive and very much innocent woman is being portrayed as the “slutty female suicide bomber”, with risque photos in circulation apart from the more modest ones.
Apparently, the perp is a former friend of hers who did it for revenge or something.
She has received death threats and I seem to recall her family did too.

I was fearing so. Man, I hate Internet shaming.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:16:22pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

What’s wrong with that?

What Marco Rubio knows about ISIS could fit on the head of a pin.

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:16:43pm

Well, then…Guess we don’t need to worry about violence on PP. /////

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:17:44pm

re: #237 thedopefishlives

What Marco Rubio knows about ISIS could fit on the head of a pin.

He likely knows more about it than most people and if he corrects a few misunderstandings he’ll have done some real good.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:17:51pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

What’s wrong with that?

New Hampshire knows more about BBQ than Rubio does about ISIS.

The convergence of the two sounds very scary.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:19:03pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

I thought he was living elsewhere now?

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:19:08pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

He likely knows more about it than most people and if he corrects a few misunderstandings he’ll have done some real good.

He sure as hell doesn’t know about ISIS by blowing off his current job and the briefings that go with it.

Wait until tomorrow’s ISIS speech and let me know if you learn anything from it.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:19:15pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

One thought I did have: I wish we had more Colorado lizards because thinking about those Westboro ghouls is making me worry about PLL. They’re bound to put in an appearance and he’s in Colorado Springs right now. I dread what would happen if he were to catch sight of them, for I fear he’d do something rash.

PLL is a grown-up, and he has been warned.

Mack The Knife, Bobby Darin

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harlequinade  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:20:19pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

He likely knows more about it than most people and if he corrects a few misunderstandings he’ll have done some real good.

This Rubio?

At 10 a.m. Wednesday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee went behind closed doors for a briefing titled, “The Aftermath of Paris: America’s Role.” But Sen. Marco Rubio was not there. The Florida Republican is on his way to California for fundraising.

Link

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:20:21pm

re: #241 William Lewis

I thought he was living elsewhere now?

I think he is or was in town visiting family for Thanksgiving.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:20:35pm

Meanwhile in Heaven, God is looking at his log of people he thinks need to call in for some prayer sessions.

He sees Huck, He sees Carly. He sees Teddy, He sees Donny.

He probably isn’t expecting much. He knows what he is dealing with.

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Shimshon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:21:26pm

Once Trump got away with something you never could before, insulting the military and veterans who get captured, I knew he could from then on, get away with saying anything even more extreme. Nothing will bring down this Trump clown car except an election loss.

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nkdee  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:22:08pm

re: #36 Tigger2

The irony of all irony is that visitors are not allowed to bring guns into the NRA offices.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:22:23pm

re: #244 harlequinade

This Rubio?

Link

That Rubio, since he’ll at least have read the Senator’s summary of the briefing documents (very few senators read more of a briefing’s documents than the summary).

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:22:57pm
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harlequinade  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:23:51pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

That Rubio, since he’ll at least have read the Senator’s summary of the briefing documents (very few senators read more of a briefing’s documents than the summary).

Ahhh - I see where that went wrong. 2 block quotes. Thank Charles for the edit button.

In recent months Rubio has missed a slew of Foreign Relations hearings and classified briefings, records show, aiding his critics.

In January, Rubio missed an intelligence briefing on ISIS and two other classified briefings because he was fundraising in California. In April he missed a closed Intelligence Committee briefing while in Texas raising money. And in September he missed a Foreign Relations hearing on the humanitarian crisis in the Middle East.

All that reading he must be doing…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:24:04pm
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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:24:44pm

Muslim taxi driver shot on Thanksgiving in Hazelwood calls attack a hate crime

A Muslim cab driver picks up a man, who starts asking the driver where he’s from. Then the guy gets all worked up about ISIS, even though the driver says he’s from Morocco and hates ISIS. Here’s the kicker:

“So it was this kind of stuff until we got to his destination. He asked me to wait for a little bit because he forgot his wallet in the house. I waited for just five minutes, I think, and I noticed that he came out of the house carrying a rifle in his hand. I noticed him coming toward me. I didn’t hesitate. I [made] a fast decision to leave and drove my taxi away because I felt he was going to do something. There is danger. He would shoot me or something. I felt like he had the intention to kill me.”

The driver said that as he sped away he heard a couple of gunshots, one of which blasted out the back window of his cab and struck him. The incident occurred between Flowers Avenue and Tecumseh Street, and he was able to drive a couple of blocks further to Mansion Street, he said, where he had to pull over. He then waved down a passing car and got someone to call the police.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:25:35pm
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Shimshon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:25:40pm

re: #38 A Mom Anon

Someone needs to ask these motherfuckers what they’re going to do about mental health then, because I’m not hearing shit about that either. They do not give a shit. Hell, one of their own got shot (Gabby Giffords) and they couldn’t be bothered to do a thing after that either. Nothing moves these assholes. But it’s funny how Congress is a “gun free zone” isn’t it?

They have new talking points now. They talk about how the real issue isn’t restricting gun ownership, but addressing mental health care. Though if you try and keep that conversation going, such as how that would work, they trip over themselves and can never come up with basic plans. This is because addressing mental health would require unelected people taking away the guns of someone with mental health problems as a preventative measure, and the NRA would never accept that. This way the gun supporters can convince themselves that they have the solutions and the only thing keeping it from becoming reality is the evil liberals and their support of gun control.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:26:30pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

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Why is Bill Kristol channeling Peggy Noonan?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:27:40pm

re: #253 Belafon

Muslim taxi driver shot on Thanksgiving in Hazelwood calls attack a hate crime

A Muslim cab driver picks up a man, who starts asking the driver where he’s from. Then the guy gets all worked up about ISIS, even though the driver says he’s from Morocco and hates ISIS. Here’s the kicker:

And the injury will be coded “workplace violence”. Cab driving is one of the top two or three occupations on OSHA’s watch list.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:28:02pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:28:44pm
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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:28:46pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

What’s wrong with that?

Sorry, but Rubio’s a weasel. For example, from earlier this week:

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) says religious believers are called to “ignore” laws that violate their faith.

“In essence, if we are ever ordered by a government authority to personally violate and sin — violate God’s law and sin — if we’re ordered to stop preaching the Gospel, if we’re ordered to perform a same-sex marriage as someone presiding over it, we are called to ignore that,” Rubio said in an interview with CBN on Tuesday.

“So when those two come into conflict, God’s rules always win,” he added. […]

thehill.com

He’s pandering to the far right Kim Davis type Christians who want to see the Bible dictating law in the U.S. He knows damned well the government hasn’t ordered any Christian to “stop preaching the Gospel” or “perform a same-sex marriage” because the First Amendment says it CAN’T impose things like that.

I loathe that kind of disingenuousness.

God’s law doesn’t trump secular law in the U.S.—ever. Given the number of different religions we have in this country, if it did there would be bedlam.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:29:04pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

Yeah, the WHITE robe of conservatism.

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Shimshon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:30:00pm

re: #93 JDRhoades

If you started a conversation with “yeah, the 9/11 attacks were awful, but bin Laden had some legitimate grievances,” you’d be lynched.

Bill Maher lost his show on ABC only for pointing out the idea of the 9/11 attackers being cowards was not true. That attack wasn’t done by cowards was enough to send the right wing outrage machine into overdrive and ABC pulled Politically Incorrect.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:30:48pm
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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:31:09pm

The right-wing terrorist went from “transgendered leftist” to “democrat”:

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allegro  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:31:35pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

He likely knows more about it than most people and if he corrects a few misunderstandings he’ll have done some real good.

How would he know since he never attends the hearings?

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:33:56pm

re: #264 Dr. Matt

The right-wing terrorist went from “transferred leftist” to “democrat”:

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Damn. It’s just like the game of telling someone something then waiting to hear the same story you told come full circle back to you with many new details.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:34:00pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

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You cannot tarnish a rusted blade.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:35:12pm
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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:36:02pm

So he killed a cop & two people of color at PP. Totally sounds like a liberal. //

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:36:05pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

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Good. Let him pull it out and wave it around.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:37:00pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Typical lie from the Rage Furby: he’s not fighting Planned Parenthood, he’s fighting a subpoena from the NAF-this time, it looks like he actually has to pay a real attorney.

I just hope the judge in his Gawker suit does the right thing and shuffles this case off to California for the ultimate Anti-SLAPP down and put an end to his so-called journalistic career so he can become what he seems destined to become: a ginger-haired autistic bankrupt Larry Klayman.

re: #260 CuriousLurker

These men mock Christ’s own saying of “Be of the world, but not in it.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:37:37pm
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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:38:08pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

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The wingnuts are going to wish that the cops offed Dear or that he killed himself, the guy is very much alive and I suspect he wouldn’t mind telling reporters his own views all by himself

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:39:25pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:39:44pm

re: #273 b.d.

And this will take months-even more if the Feds take their shot (probably won’t be until after the election, if at all)

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:40:02pm

re: #273 b.d.

The wingnuts are going to wish that the cops offed Dear or that he killed himself, the guy is very much alive and I suspect he wouldn’t mind telling reporters his own views all by himself

And wait until law enforcement starts revealing what they find in his trailer. It’s a sure bet there will be a treasure chest of right-wing propaganda.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:40:15pm
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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:40:19pm

re: #273 b.d.

The wingnuts are going to wish that the cops offed Dear or that he killed himself, the guy is very much alive and I suspect he wouldn’t mind telling reporters his own views all by himself

His lawyer likely won’t let the press anywhere near him. Just hope the jury votes to execute the SOB.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:40:39pm

re: #269 CuriousLurker

From the article:

All three victims in the attack were parents, two of whom were accompanying friends to the clinic. […]

denverpost.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:41:04pm

go fuck yourself ben

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:41:16pm

re: #273 b.d.

The wingnuts are going to wish that the cops offed Dear or that he killed himself, the guy is very much alive and I suspect he wouldn’t mind telling reporters his own views all by himself

These people are so far out there it won’t matter. Now their sources have declared that he’s a left wing transgendered woman, nothing is going to change their “minds” about that.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:41:27pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

I think he is or was in town visiting family for Thanksgiving.

He’s a big boy with free will. All we can do is pray at this point.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:41:42pm

re: #273 b.d.

The wingnuts are going to wish that the cops offed Dear or that he killed himself, the guy is very much alive and I suspect he wouldn’t mind telling reporters his own views all by himself

RWNutJobbers: “You can’t trust the words of a crazy lone wolf democrat trying so hard to get the conservatives in trouble for their own words. It is obvious to everyone he is a liar.”

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:41:44pm

re: #272 The Vicious Babushka

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It’s easy to change all sorts of things by checking the wrong box, ask Señor Bush

Jeb Bush listed his ethnicity as “Hispanic.”

cnn.com

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SirMixALot  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:42:47pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Floriduh couple visit Lower Alabama, spread Thanksgiving cheer and De Soto’s Revenge.

Can people give the Florida hate a rest already? You sound like wingnuts hating on liberals. Which shitty state do you come from so I can make fun of it and childish insert the word duh at the end.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:42:57pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:43:15pm

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Good. Let him pull it out and wave it around.

How a girl would act if we switched bodies

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Floral Giraffe  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:43:20pm

re: #50 A Mom Anon

If he’s cash pay, make sure he asks for a discount! My dentist does because they don’t have to hassle with insurance!

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:43:33pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

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IOW “I am Furious I didn’t come up with this grifting scam first!!!!!

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No Country For Old Haters  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:44:15pm

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

go fuck yourself ben

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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:44:53pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

One thought I did have: I wish we had more Colorado lizards because thinking about those Westboro ghouls is making me worry about PLL. They’re bound to put in an appearance and he’s in Colorado Springs right now. I dread what would happen if he were to catch sight of them, for I fear he’d do something rash.

I’m sure not to worry.

This Colorado lizard will no way in heck go near that town. Nope. Even when I lived on the Front Range, my only trips near Colorado Springs were passing at 70MPH on the freeway, and that was 23 years ago. I’ll take my mellow mountain enclave 4 hours from there…. My biggest dilemma right now is whether or not to get on the road for the 20 minute drive to town to watch the Broncos/Pats game. It doesn’t start for another 2 hours, but, it’s starting to dump pretty good and for the rest of the night. I choose not to have satellite…no cable up this way… wood burner is nice and steady at 400F right now and my dog is crashed out at my side. Maybe I’lll do old school radio but part of me wants to actually, physically see this game. #FWP

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:44:54pm

re: #285 SirMixALot

Can people give the Florida hate a rest already? You sound like wingnuts hating on liberals. Which shitty state do you come from so I can make fun of it and childish insert the word duh at the end.

The Floriduh couple were my son and his wife from the Tampa area. I’ve been in bed most of the time since they left. We are certified FL-friendly.

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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:46:08pm

ROFL:

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:48:02pm

re: #288 Floral Giraffe

If he’s cash pay, make sure he asks for a discount! My dentist does because they don’t have to hassle with insurance!

[Looks up and waves]

A Day In the Life Of A Baby Giraffe

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:49:15pm

re: #285 SirMixALot

Can people give the Florida hate a rest already? You sound like wingnuts hating on liberals. Which shitty state do you come from so I can make fun of it and childish insert the word duh at the end.

I live in Hawaii, take your best shot!

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Tigger2  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:50:21pm

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

go fuck yourself ben

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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:50:23pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

The Floriduh couple were my son and his wife from the Tampa area. I’ve been in bed most of the time since they left. We are certified FL-friendly.

The subtlety of your humor sometimes flies right past people, heh. After 5.5 years here I’ve finally learned that when something you say makes me twitch, I should probably read it a few more times.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:50:36pm

re: #285 SirMixALot

Can people give the Florida hate a rest already? You sound like wingnuts hating on liberals. Which shitty state do you come from so I can make fun of it and childish insert the word duh at the end.

Texas. I already hate and make fun of my state, but I definitely could use some new material.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:51:24pm

re: #293 Lidane

ROFL:

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There was some discussion on that in this thread earlier Lidane. Starting with #68 through about 100…if you are interested.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:51:35pm

re: #298 Belafon

Texas. I already hate and make fun of my state, but I definitely could use some new material.

I don’t think Texduh has the same ring to it.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:51:40pm

re: #297 CuriousLurker

The subtlety of your humor sometimes flies right past people, heh. After 5.5 years here I’ve finally learned that when something you say makes me twitch, I should probably read it a few more times.

Twitchification is a career goal.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:52:09pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Floriduh couple visit Lower Alabama, spread Thanksgiving cheer and De Soto’s Revenge.

When my BIL was stationed in the Florida panhandle, my sister thought the name “lower Alabama” stuck for that part of the state.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:52:48pm

re: #300 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t think Texduh has the same ring to it.

I believe Texass is the more appropriate term.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:53:06pm

re: #298 Belafon

Texas. I already hate and make fun of my state, but I definitely could use some new material.

Ditto. I was born & raised in TX, so I feel completely justified in complaining about or making fun of it.

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wrenchwench  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:53:28pm

re: #297 CuriousLurker

The subtlety of your humor sometimes flies right past people, heh. After 5.5 years here I’ve finally learned that when something you say makes me twitch, I should probably read it a few more times.

He also updings comments that get fun poked at ‘em afterward.

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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:53:31pm

re: #300 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t think Texduh has the same ring to it.

It’s TexAss

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:53:35pm

re: #303 Belafon

I believe Texass is the more appropriate term.

Yeah, but it just looks too much like a typo.

It’s one of those things that works fine verbally but not so well in text.

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:53:41pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

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And this is why identifying who’s coming up with the lies and smears is important - whether it’s Chucky, Hoft, or anyone else. That these lie/smear mongers are being used as sources tells you all you need to know about the integrity and virtues of the candidates who are relying on them.

They have none.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:54:14pm

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

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Any just god would create reincarnation so that little Joffrey there can be reborn as a woman seven or eight times until he gives up his dedication to Evil.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:54:57pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:55:08pm

re: #302 Belafon

When my BIL was stationed in the Florida panhandle, my sister thought the name “lower Alabama” stuck for that part of the state.

It’s very appropriate. We and Florida had once reached an agreement that Alabama would annex about half of NW. Florida. No one could agree who should pay who how much. IIRC, the inactive commission still exists. Fur Reel—Google it.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:56:26pm

I live in Duhio!

But it don’t matter ‘cuz it is just flyover country.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:56:37pm

re: #305 wrenchwench

He also updings comments that get fun poked at ‘em afterward.

I upding almost anything that’s comprehensible, a hangover from the days when that was not a given.

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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:56:52pm

re: #299 ObserverArt

Ugh. That’s what I get for not reading the thread first.

I’ve had TCWSNBN running me ragged all damn day. We started new ad campaigns for them this morning and they’ve been demanding ad statistics every hour. I have literally finished one report long enough to turn around and start the next one and it’s been going on since 7am. Ugh.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:57:10pm

re: #312 ObserverArt

I live in Duhio!

But it don’t matter ‘cuz it is just flyover country.

Except in presidential elections.

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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:57:37pm

re: #304 CuriousLurker

Ditto. I was born & raised in TX, so I feel completely justified in complaining about or making fun of it.

I got to live in Midland for 10 damned years (from the ages of 3-13), and topped it off with another year and a half of N. Dallas living with my Aunt to finish H.S. when my mom got sick. Fuck that place. If it weren’t for my relatives, I would never go back. When they die, I for sure will never give another penny to their economy. They give it to me here in CO anyway. ;)

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wrenchwench  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:57:51pm

re: #313 Decatur Deb

I upding almost anything that’s comprehensible, a hangover from the days when that was not a given.

I also like your hitting the tipjar for hate mail policy.

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wrenchwench  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:00:01pm

Imma go look for a train to get on.

Later, lizards.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:00:08pm

re: #317 wrenchwench

I also like your hitting the tipjar for hate mail policy.

I love it, and try to actually exceed the cost of a subscription. Unfortunately, I might subscribe because a new generation of pop-up video ads plays hell with my speeds.

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Snarknado!  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:00:38pm

re: #285 SirMixALot

Can people give the Florida hate a rest already? You sound like wingnuts hating on liberals. Which shitty state do you come from so I can make fun of it and childish insert the word duh at the end.

California, but we are irreproachable, of course.

/

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:00:55pm
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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:01:40pm

re: #316 Blizard

Except parts of Austin. Austin is ok. Good music scene. SRV is the best to come out of TX IMO…..

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:02:07pm

re: #314 Lidane

Ugh. That’s what I get for not reading the thread first.

I’ve had TCWSNBN running me ragged all damn day. We started new ad campaigns for them this morning and they’ve been demanding ad statistics every hour. I have literally finished one report long enough to turn around and start the next one and it’s been going on since 7am. Ugh.

I wasn’t trying to get you feeling bad Lidane…just thought you might like to catch the existing comments.

I thought it all sounded like Trump dirty tricks to cash in on the Black pastors showing up and Trump making more of it than it was and using images as endorsement. They seemed to have caught on to something not smelling right.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:02:11pm

I really wouldn’t put it past Trump to hire some Black actors to play Pastors…

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:02:41pm

re: #285 SirMixALot

The first time I ever read the term “Floriduh” was on FR anda Florida Freeper who named herself “floriduh voter”. I think she was pissed off over the hanging chads during Bush/Gore, but she went on to prove that she was just as totally insane as every other freeper.

As I recall she used to drive around with a cardboard cutout of George Bush in her passenger seat so she could use the HOV lanes. The last I heard from her was that her car actually flew and she ended up in the hospital.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:03:08pm

re: #316 Blizard

I got to live in Midland for 10 damned years (from the ages of 3-13), and topped it off with another year and a half of N. Dallas living with my Aunt to finish H.S. when my mom got sick. Fuck that place. If it weren’t for my relatives, I would never go back. When they die, I for sure will never give another penny to their economy. They give it to me here in CO anyway. ;)

I left in the late ’90s and never looked back. As a matter of fact, I’ve only been south of the Mason-Dixon line once since I moved to the East Coast—the Thanksgiving after 9/11 to visit my younger brother in Richmond. Haven’t seen him since.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:03:13pm

re: #315 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Except in presidential elections.

Someone cares!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:03:45pm

re: #327 ObserverArt

Someone cares!

I have to say, I think I’d rather be spared that caring.

I don’t pity you during election years.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:03:57pm

re: #320 Snarknado!

California, but we are irreproachable, of course.

/

The state that gave us both Nixon and Reagan!

/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:04:20pm

re: #328 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have to say, I think I’d rather be spared that caring.

I don’t pity you during election years.

Envy. That should be envy.

I do pity you.

I blame this cold and a lack of sleep due to NaNo.

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:04:29pm

re: #324 Eclectic Cyborg

I really wouldn’t put it past Trump to hire some Black actors to play Pastors…

He doesn’t need to go that far. All he has to do is claim that they all support him 1000%. The media will be happy to run with that.

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:04:58pm

re: #329 b.d.

The state that gave us both Nixon and Reagan!

/

And Fiorina.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:05:24pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:05:49pm

re: #324 Eclectic Cyborg

I really wouldn’t put it past Trump to hire some Black actors to play Pastors…

“Look at these classy guys! See, negroes love me.”

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:07:17pm

re: #334 Pawn of the Oppressor

“Look at these classy guys! See, negroes love me.”

“Hey! Who wants to see my solid gold toilet?”

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CuriousLurker  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:07:26pm

Okay, gotta go prepare for Monday. Ugh.

Later, lizards.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:09:46pm

Soiled Robes sounds like a Mel Brooks sequel to the original political parody Big Tents

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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:12:21pm

I wish I could boast more about ColoRADo in general, but with the PP shooting, the Aurora theater shooting, Columbine, the Chucky Cheese shooting… it’s just hard to comprehend this is MY state over the years.

I actually worked at the restaurant that replaced the Chucky Cheese after the shooting in the 90’s. It was surreal to say the least. I then transferred to LIttleton to manage one of their restaurants there. Most of my employees were Columbine HS students. Suffice it to say, we closed for a few days after the HS shootings as it was just down the street. This all just hits too close to home even looking back over the years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:14:52pm

re: #274 FormerDirtDart

Blaming violence on political and public discourse is really gross, whether we’re talking about Black Lives Matter or Planned Parenthood.

Magic Butcher Fairy strikes again!

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:14:56pm

re: #338 Blizard

I wish I could boast more about ColoRADo in general, but with the PP shooting, the Aurora theater shooting, Columbine, the Chucky Cheese shooting… it’s just hard to comprehend this is MY state over the years.

I actually worked at the restaurant that replaced the Chucky Cheese after the shooting in the 90’s. It was surreal to say the least. I then transferred to LIttleton to manage one of their restaurants there. Most of my employees were Columbine HS students. Suffice it to say, we closed for a few days after the HS shootings as it was just down the street. This all just hits too close to home even looking back over the years.

318,000,000+ people in the US of A…every state gets its share of bad crazy and all that comes with it. Some a little more than others, but it is everywhere.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:15:51pm
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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:16:03pm

re: #323 ObserverArt

I wasn’t trying to get you feeling bad Lidane…just thought you might like to catch the existing comments.

Oh, no worries. I didn’t take it that way. I was just facepalming out loud since I didn’t look at the thread first. That’s all.

I thought it all sounded like Trump dirty tricks to cash in on the Black pastors showing up and Trump making more of it than it was and using images as endorsement. They seemed to have caught on to something not smelling right.

Yeah, they’re not stupid. He was counting on the pastors to show up and be thrilled to be in his presence and letting him say they’d endorsed him. They said no and he had to backtrack.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:16:25pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:17:27pm

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

No, that really doesn’t make any sense.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:17:37pm

re: #338 Blizard

I wish I could boast more about ColoRADo in general, but with the PP shooting, the Aurora theater shooting, Columbine, the Chucky Cheese shooting… it’s just hard to comprehend this is MY state over the years.

I actually worked at the restaurant that replaced the Chucky Cheese after the shooting in the 90’s. It was surreal to say the least. I then transferred to LIttleton to manage one of their restaurants there. Most of my employees were Columbine HS students. Suffice it to say, we closed for a few days after the HS shootings as it was just down the street. This all just hits too close to home even looking back over the years.

We all have our shame. For the wild north country, see the public debacle that is Michele Bachmann (R-Mars). Or, for a current event, the ongoing saga of the police shooting of Jamar Clark that spawned the protests which were recently shot up by white supremacist thugs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:18:03pm

re: #343 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Ted Cruz describes alleged Planned Parenthood shooter as ‘transgendered leftist activist’

The shooter is a walking indictment of people who spread toxic lies and propaganda. That is why the spin machine has to be revved up to maximum rpm.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:18:29pm

Yeah well Ben having a law like that on the books can LITERALLY KILL WOMEN because when an infection or eclampsia threatens a woman’s life, doctors have no time to futz around with court orders.

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:19:06pm

re: #340 ObserverArt

You have to admit that there is some real concentrated crazy in more than a few states, starting with Texas.

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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:19:09pm

re: #340 ObserverArt

Of course. It just seems to be a bell-curve state of sorts. Maybe it’s just me.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:20:30pm

That’s why Israeli law leaves abortion up to a woman and her doctor, duh

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:21:05pm

Most well-populated states are so diverse, with a strong rural/urban split, that they can hardly be characterized as one place.

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:21:16pm

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Wouldn’t Ben’s version of that law eliminate even those provisions? That certainly is the Republican position as far as the presidential candidates are concerned.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:21:29pm

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

That makes absolutely no sense. Seriously. I think they say word things to themselves and if it sounds like its smart they post it.

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Blizard  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:22:30pm

re: #348 Skip Intro

You have to admit that there is some real concentrated crazy in more than a few states, starting with Texas.

I agree with this.

Ok I’m out- gonna go watch me some Classic football, go Orange and Blue! Maybe check in later. Gnight!

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:22:59pm

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah well Ben having a law like that on the books can LITERALLY KILL WOMEN because when an infection or eclampsia threatens a woman’s life, doctors have no time to futz around with court orders.

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Hmmmm, I wonder what country has a very liberal abortion policy?

timesofisrael.com

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:23:28pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:23:59pm

re: #348 Skip Intro

You have to admit that there is some real concentrated crazy in more than a few states, starting with Texas.

No doubt. But no one is immune that is why it is easy to understand someone being protective of their own state.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:24:23pm

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah well Ben having a law like that on the books can LITERALLY KILL WOMEN because when an infection or eclampsia threatens a woman’s life, doctors have no time to futz around with court orders.

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I don’t think Ben cares much about women.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:25:15pm

re: #348 Skip Intro

You have to admit that there is some real concentrated crazy in more than a few states, starting with Texas.

Grandma used to say that America was tilted and all the loose nuts and bolts rolled their way into California.

If Grandma was still alive, she’d say the tilt shifted to Texas!

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:25:58pm

re: #351 Decatur Deb

Most well-populated states are so diverse, with a strong rural/urban split, that they can hardly be characterized as one place.

I’m glad I’m not from the Louie Gohmert Texas. I do live uncomfortably close to the Steve Stockman Texas.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:26:29pm

re: #355 Joe Bacon

Hmmmm, I wonder what country has a very liberal abortion policy?

timesofisrael.com

That link used to be part of my Daily Twitter Meme Dump but I got so much shit from dudebros HURR HURR THEIR KILLIN PALESTINIAN BABBIES!!!!!! that I just dropped it.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:26:32pm

I’m waiting for L’il Ben’s response…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:27:20pm

re: #362 Joe Bacon

I don’t know if Ben would consider it kosher to respond to you.

/

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thedopefishlives  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:27:25pm

re: #356 Charles Johnson

The denial of reality is just astounding to me. I literally cannot comprehend it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:27:37pm

re: #362 Joe Bacon

I’m waiting for L’il Ben’s response…

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I already know what it is.

HURR HURR THERE NOT REAL JUICE!!!1!!!!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:27:48pm

re: #359 Joe Bacon

Grandma used to say that America was tilted and all the loose nuts and bolts rolled their way into California.

If Grandma was still alive, she’d say the tilt shifted to Texas!

“If America is a lunatic asylum, California is the violent ward.”
—Len Deighton

amazon.com

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:28:04pm

re: #363 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t know if Ben would consider it kosher to respond to you.

/

I had the operation when I was 8 days old…

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:28:37pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:29:18pm

A friend just pointed out to me that, after the two cops were shot in NYC during the protests over Eric Garner, conservatives across the country were quick to scream that BLM and any of its supporters had “blood on their hands” because even if the guy wasn’t affiliated with the protests, he was influenced by them and so had killed the cops based upon a “lie.”

But the same people who believed that want to insist that Dear’s actions are not in any way related to their wild-eyed raving about PP and want the blame for his actions to rest solely with him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:30:00pm

re: #366 Decatur Deb

“If America is a lunatic asylum, California is the violent ward.”
—Len Deighton

amazon.com

South Carolina: “Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum” — James Petigru

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:31:27pm

Said by wingnut on Facebook:

So, another nut job shooting things up in Colorado.
What’s with this state? Are they all on pot!!!!

NOT THE POT. NOT. EVEN. ONCE.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:32:14pm

re: #371 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Said by wingnut on Facebook:

So, another nut job shooting things up in Colorado.
What’s with this state? Are they all on pot!!!!

NOT THE POT. NOT. EVEN. ONCE.

Shooter was born a couple tokes behind.

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:34:46pm

This

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:35:11pm

I didn’t realize we had so many scapegoat farms these days. It’s an industry. It’s the new Red Meat.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:35:21pm

Texas governor Greg Abbot is really worried about all the babies.

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:37:26pm

re: #375 jaunte

Texas governor Greg Abbot is really worried about all the babies.

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How else is the state going to pay for the recent property tax cut?

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:41:21pm

re: #375 jaunte

Texas governor Greg Abbot is really worried about all the babies.

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If they knew what was good for them they would have remained fetuses.

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stpaulbear  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:42:58pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:43:19pm

re: #377 Skip Intro

If they knew what was good for them they would have remained fetuses.

Are they granted citizenship? Could be a deal breaker.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:45:29pm

re: #377 Skip Intro

If they knew what was good for them they would have remained fetuses.

There are about 9 million, IIRC, who do. The unimplanted tissue from IVF efforts is building up, sometimes in a legal/moral/technical limbo. What happens if there is a short-span decision to clear that backlog? JEB! and Co could have a few hundred thousand Schiavo’s to resolve.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:46:36pm

This is NOT a parody account. Repeat, NOT A PARODY.
All parody accounts are now pwn3d.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:47:33pm

re: #381 The Vicious Babushka

This is NOT a parody account. Repeat, NOT A PARODY.
All parody accounts are now pwn3d.

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Simon Bolivar on line 3.

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electrotek  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:49:08pm

Man she gets upset when someone points out a problem in her own community:

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:51:53pm

re: #381 The Vicious Babushka

This is NOT a parody account. Repeat, NOT A PARODY.
All parody accounts are now pwn3d.

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Did Trump invite the black ministers tomorrow to see the unveiling of his new portrait? Maybe he already has postcards with donation information printed up for them to insert in their hymn books.

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dholmes32  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:55:19pm

This is done, finally. It’s for a coworker in another state who does a lot of things for me. It’s a crocheted alpaca wool scarf.

Scarf for coworker
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Reality Based Steve  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:58:42pm

re: #384 Skip Intro

Did Trump invite the black ministers tomorrow to see the unveiling of his new portrait? Maybe he already has postcards with donation information printed up for them to insert in their hymn books.

Apparently Trump has cancelled the meeting.

RBS

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:08:17pm

Seth McFarlane paid to have Fox show an awards program for scientists. It highlighted different fields.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:11:14pm

Automatic Block Function Triggered

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:13:09pm

re: #388 The Vicious Babushka

“Tower of Friggin Babel”

He must want everyone to speak English, like they did in Bible times.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:14:30pm

re: #388 The Vicious Babushka

What? No Molon Labe this time?

391
jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:15:05pm
392
Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:17:07pm

re: #388 The Vicious Babushka

Also, what the hell is USSA or do I even want to know?

393
jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:17:53pm

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

Socialist is probably in there somewhere.

394
Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:19:15pm

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, what the hell is USSA or do I even want to know?

urbandictionary.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:20:42pm

Good god. These people would really hate REAL socialism.

396
Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:24:23pm

re: #395 Eclectic Cyborg

Good god. These people would really hate REAL socialism.

They would also hate pure capitalism, because most of them wouldn’t contribute enough to make a living on.

397
b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:24:58pm

THAT LIB, DEMOCRAT TRANNY DEAR PROBABLY WENT INTO PLANNED PARENTHOOD TO BUY BABY PARTS & GOT MAD AT THEM OVER THE HIGH PRICES OR SOMETHING, THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE

398
No Depression  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:25:49pm

re: #375 jaunte

Texas governor Greg Abbot is really worried about all the babies.

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The fact that he has a disability himself makes this even more of an asshole move. From one cripple to another, get fucked, Abbot.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:26:14pm
400
Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:31:07pm

My setup: Ipad, skull candy headphones, AMC Live to watch #thewalkingdead at 6pm Pacific. OH YEAH.

401
allegro  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:32:05pm

re: #385 dholmes32

This is done, finally. It’s for a coworker in another state who does a lot of things for me. It’s a crocheted alpaca wool scarf.

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Love that cross-over stitch. Beautiful work!

402
Reality Based Steve  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:32:43pm

Watching Trump and the RWNJs is like watching somebody who’s fallen for a stripper who’s 3 months into a meth addiction. Yea, she may be crazy and a lot of fun right now, but you know it’s going to end very very poorly.

RBS

403
Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:38:31pm

Plus stinky roasted cauliflower. FYI

404
vgranucci  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:38:39pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

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Obviously he hasn’t been paying attention

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:39:12pm

re: #402 Reality Based Steve

What if it doesn’t end?

406
Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:42:02pm

re: #405 Eric The Fruit Bat

What if it doesn’t end?

It always ends…it may last longer than you hope for and might not the end the way you want, but it always ends.

407
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:44:04pm

Faking the President’s tweets now.

spit

Eric the Fruitbat is correct. The tweet is real (from September 28).
And it has not been deleted.

408
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:45:57pm

Wow such Presidential very class

409
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:46:39pm

Wow such humble

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:47:29pm

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Faking the President’s tweets now.

spit

He’s retweeting fake POTUS tweets? What next.. hire SMOTI as his Social Media director? This is insanity.

411
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:49:13pm

I Rec’d that shit to Charles. The toilet bowl is spinning faster.

412
Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:49:44pm

I’m going to honestly be terrified if Trump becomes President.

413
jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:53:00pm

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

Justin McConney is the Director of New Media for The Trump Organization. He founded and has overseen The Trump Organization’s social media department since 2011.
blog.shortyawards.com

“Justin McConney has his ear to the social media world, and he’s ahead of the curve,” said Sam Nunberg, a former political adviser to Trump. “He’s innovative, well-connected and always thinking about how to push the envelope.”
politico.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:54:34pm

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not a fake.

415
jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:54:35pm

“Pushing the envelope” now means forging statements supposedly made by the other side.

416
Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:56:03pm

re: #412 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m going to honestly be terrified if Trump becomes President.

When I think of “President Trump,” I keep thinking of Martin Sheen’s character from The Dead Zone.

The Missiles Are Flying - The Dead Zone (9/10) Movie CLIP (1983) HD

417
majii  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:56:17pm

re: #68 FormerDirtDart

Those pastors handed Trump his ass in a public venue. It was totally unexpected. Trump is delusional as hell if he thinks we’re going to go out and vote for him en masse after all of the sh*t he has said about us and LGBT Americans, Hispanic/Latino Americans, Asian-Americans, and others. We’re smart enough to know that if he demonizes us, and them, he’ll demonize some of those in his own party if they dare to disagree with him. I’m not good at walking on eggshells around anyone, least of all Trump. Most Black Americans, myself included, are not infected with Stockholm Syndrome. Oh, some like Trump might think they’re slick, but they’re not. We might not have much to say while they’re attacking us, but we never forget it. The comments of a majority of the 100 black pastors confirm this. They’ve heard the things he’s said, and they had the courage to let him know that they have. He didn’t have many options after their comments went public, which is why he cancelled the public appearance with them. Although many in the MSM are putting up with Trump’s sh*t and are afraid to call him out for it, these pastors aren’t.

418
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:58:48pm

re: #414 Eric The Fruit Bat

It’s not a fake.

You are correct.
I finally found it. It’s from September 28.
He did not delete it.

419
Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:59:53pm

re: #390 Eclectic Cyborg

What? No Molon Labe this time?

Look closer. It’s tattooed on Washington’s forehead.

420
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:02:21pm

Here’s the source of ‘Obama deleting a tweet.’

Something seems fishy. Even if it’s a deleted tweet, assuming it was a mistake or missed tweet… shady and scurrilous.

If it’s a fake tweet, scandalous. Or should be in a rational world.

421
Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:03:01pm

The tweet is indeed real.

422
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:03:52pm

re: #420 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Here’s the tweet I finally found, it hasn’t been deleted:

423
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:03:54pm

re: #418 Backwoods_Sleuth

You are correct.
I finally found it. It’s from September 28.
He did not delete it.

Not deleted, but these sewer dwellers say it is?

424
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:05:03pm

So much crazy.
I’ll be with The Walking Dead for the next little while…

425
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:07:42pm

Automatic Block Function Triggered

426
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:08:05pm

Nice nazi cross in the background.

427
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:10:37pm

re: #426 The Vicious Babushka

Nice nazi cross in the background.

What do you want to bet that’s not an actual quote?

Things are moving so fast and loose now it’s hard to keep up. I think big mouths like Trump like it that way.

428
Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:12:06pm

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

So much crazy.
I’ll be with The Walking Dead for the next little while…

I’m a watching now. Is it a 1.5 hour ep?

429
jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:12:18pm

re: #427 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

What do you want to bet that’s not an actual quote?

Wikiquote lists it as “Unsourced”
en.wikiquote.org

430
Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:12:30pm

So multi task, so 2016

431
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:12:46pm

re: #427 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

What do you want to bet that’s not an actual quote?

Things are moving so fast and loose now it’s hard to keep up. I think big mouths like Trump like it that way.

LOL here is my favorite Internet quote:

432
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:13:38pm

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s the tweet I finally found, it hasn’t been deleted:

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That was from before Paris, when the Republicans were complaining that he wasn’t admitting enough Syrian refugees.

433
Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:13:57pm

re: #423 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I left this comment for the site proprietor:

“So much for your brillance-the tweet was never deleted, you imbecile.”

434
HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:17:33pm

So I see that Ted Cruz is pushing that Dear was a transgendered leftist. That guy has no shame whatsoever at all.

435
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:20:47pm
436
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:20:51pm

Typically you expect a Republican to get sunk by a real trans person. This may be the first time one gets sunk by an imaginary one.

437
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:23:03pm

Soooo, Chuck has stumbled upon a new way to extract money from the rubes. These “ads” are now on his blog, linked to his generosity.com webpage.

They’re repulsive, so I am putting them in a private comment. Open at your own risk.

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

438
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:23:31pm

re: #437 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

…wow.

439
dholmes32  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:25:03pm

re: #438 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…wow.

0_0 wow is right.

440
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:25:50pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
It is neither “ignorant” nor “irrational” to not want to be shot by a hate crazed idiot

441
fern01  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:26:43pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

re: #386 Reality Based Steve

Apparently Trump has cancelled the meeting.

RBS

Think he cancelled the press conference after the meeting (slightly scared that he might get some negative feedback). Private meeting still scheduled but no-one is saying how many are attending

442
allegro  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:27:22pm

re: #434 HappyWarrior

So I see that Ted Cruz is pushing that Dear was a transgendered leftist. That guy has no shame whatsoever at all.

Well it is hard to tell by looking at the mug shot of Dear, looking all feminine and shit. I had to ask myself “wow is that a woman?” because really I could hardly tell. The full beard might have given it away in the end.

.///

443
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:30:00pm

I’m sorry, CCJ’s ads are grotesque… but they made me burst out laughing at how crude they are. Literally LOL’d. Still laughing.

444
Reality Based Steve  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:33:39pm

re: #441 fern01

Think he cancelled the press conference after the meeting (slightly scared that he might get some negative feedback). Private meeting still scheduled but no-one is saying how many are attending

Ah,,, thank you.

RBS

445
sagehen  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:48:21pm

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah well Ben having a law like that on the books can LITERALLY KILL WOMEN because when an infection or eclampsia threatens a woman’s life, doctors have no time to futz around with court orders.

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He’s lying.

Jewish law *requires* abortion when a woman’s life is in danger, it requires abortion if her husband can prove he’s not the father, it’s optional for any reason at all (her decision) until quickening.

446
Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:52:15pm

re: #440 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
It is neither “ignorant” nor “irrational” to not want to be shot by a hate crazed idiot

[Embedded content]

My feelings about these memes:

STOP. FUCKING. POINTING. GUNS. AT. ME. JESUS. CHRIST>111

No respect for portrayals of gun safety anymore. I’m beginning to think the average American gun owner is unworthy of the privilege. Didn’t these people have fathers that taught them not to glorify that kind of shit??

447
Ace-o-aces  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:15:01pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Wow, Chucky just keeps getting more out there. Now he says the Planned Parenthood terrorist “saved lives.”

Embedded Image

I like where Chucky says he doesn’t trust off-the-record sources. Does the man posses any self awareness?

448
Ace-o-aces  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:24:09pm

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Jewish tradition also is that the soul does not enter the body until 30 days after birth.

449
teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:43:21pm

re: #338 Blizard

I wish I could boast more about ColoRADo in general, but with the PP shooting, the Aurora theater shooting, Columbine, the Chucky Cheese shooting… it’s just hard to comprehend this is MY state over the years.

I actually worked at the restaurant that replaced the Chucky Cheese after the shooting in the 90’s. It was surreal to say the least. I then transferred to LIttleton to manage one of their restaurants there. Most of my employees were Columbine HS students. Suffice it to say, we closed for a few days after the HS shootings as it was just down the street. This all just hits too close to home even looking back over the years.

I grew up in Colorado and have never left. I was 16 when Columbine happened, it scared the shit out of me and instilled a deep cynicism of humans in general. Fortunately, I’m older and wiser now and am more hopeful than I was in those days.

The next day, 21 April 1999, my high school finally banned students from carrying firearms in their cars.

It was not unusual before that day to see rifles in back windows of pick-ups.

450
WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:12:57pm

re: #161 blueraven

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2015 • 5:11:18am

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