Trump: Women Who Have Abortions Should Be Punished; Send Them to Back Alley Butchers

Un-freaking-real
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Speaking at the taping of MSNBC’s town hall that will air tonight, Donald Trump said out loud what most conservative politicians just imply: “There has to be some form of punishment” for women who have abortions.

And that’s not all. He openly said that when abortion is outlawed, he was OK with women going to back alley abortionists. Seriously. This is what he actually said.

If there’s anything good about this horrible human being’s candidacy, it’s that he’s flushing all these bad right wing ideas out into the open instead of dancing around the issues with code words and dog whistles.

Host Chris Matthews presses Trump on anti-abortion position, repeatedly asking him, “Should abortion be punished? This is not something you can dodge.”

“Look, people in certain parts of the Republican Party, conservative Republicans, would say, ‘Yes, it should,’” Trump answers.

“How about you?” Matthews asks.

“I would say it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem we have to decide on. Are you going to send them to jail?” Trump says.

“I’m asking you,” Matthews says.

“I am pro-life,” Trump says.

“How do you actually ban abortion?” Matthews asks.

“Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places but we have to ban it,” Trump says.

Matthews then presses Trump on if he believes there should be punishment for abortion if it were illegal.

“There has to be some form of punishment,” Trump says.

“For the woman?” Matthews says; “Yeah,” Trump says, nodding.

UPDATE at 3/30/16 12:08:43 pm by Charles Johnson

And what’s more…

UPDATE at 3/30/16 12:36:47 pm by Charles Johnson

Right wingers on Twitter and Free Republic are now trying to claim this report is false — but here’s a video clip:

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214 comments
1
Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 11:57:03am

But remember, folks, there’s no difference between Trump and Hillary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 11:57:59am

punishment only for those slutty women, though…

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 11:59:36am

He’s only repeating what the GOP forced birthers have been calling for years. He’s openly engaging in this nonsense. But yeah, there’s no GOP war on women. Nope. Nothing to see here. Move along.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:02:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:03:01pm
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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:03:34pm

Charles Johnson,

How long until Trump comes out and openly calls for putting people in prison for being gay now? He keeps getting more and more extreme.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:04:02pm

re: #6 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson,

How long until Trump comes out and openly calls for putting people in prison for being gay now? He keeps getting more and more extreme.

Soon I imagine.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:04:25pm

I expect Cruz to one up him and start sounding like NRO’s Kevin Williamson and demand the hanging of women who get abortions.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:05:11pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:05:36pm

re: #6 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson,

How long until Trump comes out and openly calls for putting people in prison for being gay now? He keeps getting more and more extreme.

It really is fascinatingly disgusting how far he seems to be going and getting little to no blowback. Rinsed must be mainlining morphine by now.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:08:31pm
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Lidane  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:08:32pm

They’re going to have to invent a whole new system of measurement to explain Trump’s demographic losses in November.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:08:57pm

re: #4 Kragar

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:09:43pm

And like that, all the talk about Corey Lewandowski’s assault has fallen off the front page in favor of the next insanity from the Trump campaign.

Can’t keep up? That’s the point. Trump makes sure that it’s impossible.

He’s like a Gish Gallop on speed. And LSD. And steroids.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:12:08pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:13:02pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

But remember, folks, there’s no difference between Trump and Hillary.

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Back alley abortions will awaken the class consciousness of proletariat women and hasten the revolution! Besides, even if Susan Sarandon could still get pregnant, she could always take a private jet to Sweden for her procedure. Win-win!

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ramex  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:13:16pm

I fear the other Republicans will simply lie, and say Trump is an extremist, and they don’t feel the same way. They’ll paint themselves as moderates. Romney did it in the first debate with Obama and all the idiots on all the networks and the 24/7 news channels claimed that first debate a clear victory for Romney. A victory of nothing but lies. The media allows this. It’s the damnable game these assholes play.

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Agnostick  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:13:30pm

LOL… too funny! Trump is merely pandering to the most extreme part of the GOP base, the Bible Thumpers.

Now… here’s the fun part…

How soon before someone like Rinsed tries to walk that extremism back? Remember: The front-running GOP candidate is saying some very, very extreme, outrageous things on this issue.

If “Rinsed” stays silent… then surely, he must agree!

If “Rinsed” tries to walk it back… then he’s not only throwing his front-runner under the bus, but also all the Thumpers who silently agree with him.

This is a circus, nothing more! Laugh at the clowns, but don’t let them ruin your day, or run your life.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:13:33pm
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Agnostick  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:14:50pm

re: #14 lawhawk

And like that, all the talk about Corey Lewandowski’s assault has fallen off the front page in favor of the next insanity from the Trump campaign.

Can’t keep up? That’s the point. Trump makes sure that it’s impossible.

He’s like a Gish Gallop on speed. And LSD. And steroids.

BINGO!!!!

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:15:27pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:15:34pm

re: #18 Agnostick

This is the only thing Reince has tweeted since two days ago:

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:16:11pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

I almost forgot about that guy. Makes me really want more liberals on the supreme court, prevent these people from being able to overturn Roe V Wade completely and started arresting women who have miscarriages.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:16:25pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the only thing Reince has tweeted since two days ago:

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He is probably still on a bender from the Fields controversy.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:18:25pm

Reminder:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:18:26pm

Please read Ali’s article.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:20:01pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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Thank you Charles.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:20:24pm

This is what he retweeted:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:21:00pm

re: #25 lawhawk

Reminder:

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Oh that makes it so much better. // Williamson and NRO can go piss up a fucking rope. Sexist fucks are no different than Trump, only they think they’re cultured because they speak in complete sentences and have a subscriber base that makes more than six figures.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:21:17pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:21:24pm

re: #17 ramex

I fear the other Republicans will simply lie, and say Trump is an extremist, and they don’t feel the same way. They’ll paint themselves as moderates. Romney did it in the first debate with Obama and all the idiots on all the networks and the 24/7 news channels claimed that first debate a clear victory for Romney. A victory of nothing but lies. The media allows this. It’s the damnable game these assholes play.

The excuses write themselves. “No, we don’t want women punished, we just want to protect these young lives! We’d never criminalize abortion…but we’re prepared to treat all miscarriages as suspect until proven otherwise.”

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:22:11pm

Welp, the general election campaign just became even MORE about the Supreme Court and protecting the rights of women.

The campaign ads will just write themselves.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:22:39pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the only thing Reince has tweeted since two days ago:

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probably went on a bender and still hasn’t sobered up.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:22:53pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

The excuses write themselves. “No, we don’t want women punished, we just want to protect these young lives! We’d never criminalize abortion…but we’re prepared to treat all miscarriages as suspect until proven otherwise.”

re: #32 Franklin

Welp, the general election campaign just became even MORE about the Supreme Court and protecting the rights of women.

The campaign ads will just write themselves.

Jinx!

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:24:14pm

re: #6 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson,

How long until Trump comes out and openly calls for putting people in prison for being gay now? He keeps getting more and more extreme.

He wants journalists put in prison for writing “unfair” things about him. That is very important. Very, very important. People should not be allowed to write unfair things about people.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:24:19pm

re: #32 Franklin

Welp, the general election campaign just became even MORE about the Supreme Court and protecting the rights of women.

The campaign ads will just write themselves.

All you need to do for the attack ads is just run clips of Trump saying horrible things. Don’t have to add anything.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:25:46pm

re: #33 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

probably went on a bender and still hasn’t sobered up.

Reince’s Lost Weekend.

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451_Montag  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:25:59pm

You can feel Trumps desperation now. He is going to say anything that might keep him number one in the (GOP) polls.

I’m sort of getting the feeling he is starting on a downward spiral. Might be too late for the GOP to stop him, but every utterance he makes is damaging his and the GOP brand.

Good, long may he hang in there

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Agnostick  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:26:18pm

The Paradox of the IVF Clinic and the Abortion Clinic: Are Some Embryos More Persons Than Others?

If extreme anti-abortion forces define life as beginning at fertilization, then why don’t they oppose IVF treatments, which routinely destroy many excess embryos? Why don’t we see them picketing outside of fertility clinics instead of abortion clinics?

IVF treatments are performed in close to 400 centers nationwide. Over 60,000 babies are born each year through fertility treatments—including, as Daily Mail notes, some of Mitt Romney’s own grandchildren.

Many of these treatments involve the disposal of unused embryos, cultivated from fertilization through to weeks-old in development, that weren’t selected for implantation.

One IVF treatment might yield as many as 20 “surplus” embryos.

Hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:27:01pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Reince’s Lost Weekend.

Weekend at Reince’s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:27:43pm

re: #39 Agnostick

The Paradox of the IVF Clinic and the Abortion Clinic: Are Some Embryos More Persons Than Others?

Hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm…..

Actually, the hardliners do oppose IVF for just that reason.

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Lidane  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:30:03pm

ROFL. Freepers are calling bullshit on this story:

I guess the first question I would have would be if he really said this. If he did…oh boy.
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Throw a little fuel on the fire Donald. Is this real??
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No, he couldn’t be that dumb. This has to be a spoof or misrepresentation.
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This is most likely a liberal lie.
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Statements such as this will force those who say they are pro-life to either put up or shut up. Of course, if abortion is illegal and a woman gets an abortion, she should be charged with murder.
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I have a feeling something is way, way out of context here.
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Donald the Hun?

Looking back on traditional practice, it was treated as relatively minor infraction on the part of the woman, as the act seemed so illogical as to be imagined more crazy than criminal.

Governments tend to deal in sticks rather than carrots. However this is where a robust social support network for troubled mothers, anchored in private arrangements such as church, could really be helpful.

An all-Caesar solution isn’t a solution. We need to get religion back, and not just the kind that says you’re going to hell, but the kind that shows you what heaven is.
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I knew it! Goblins ate his brains!
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Maybe this is the mechanism where he throws the election to Hillary (ala Trojan Horse theory).

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:30:14pm

Oh, for Pete’s sake. What is wrong with these Bernie supporters?!

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:31:03pm

re: #39 Agnostick

IVF treatments attempt to get as many eggs to release at one time - whether for IUI (which doesn’t require anything other than inserting semen and hoping that does trick of getting pregnancy underway), or IVF, which requires medical intervention. With IVF, doctors harvest the eggs, and then try to get as many of those fertilized as possible. Couples can opt to freeze any unused embryos for future use, donate them to science, or discard them.

That’s the family’s choice.

These right wing extremists would throw all of that into turmoil, and screw people out of any chance of having kids.

Mind you, those that donate their unused embryos to science are helping advance treatments on a wide range of ailments, from cancer to genetic disorders.

The right wing extremists don’t care. Their efforts could result in criminalizing these procedures as well.

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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:31:49pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Oh, for Pete’s sake. What is wrong with these Bernie supporters?!

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Would you like that list in alphabetical or categorical form?

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withak  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:31:55pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Oh, for Pete’s sake. What is wrong with these Bernie supporters?!

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IOW, “I have no problem being used by right-wing ratfuckers and agitators.”

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:31:56pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:31:57pm

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

All you need to do for the attack ads is just run clips of Trump saying horrible things. Don’t have to add anything.

That’s what Frank Capra did when he was Head of Propaganda* during WWII. He never shot a foot of film. He let the German, Italian, and Japanese films—which intended to show themselves in the best light, remember—speak for themselves.

*Not his official title, but I can’t remember what they called it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:31:59pm

re: #42 Lidane

ROFL. Freepers are calling bullshit on this story:

So sad for them. The interview, with Trump, will be on Hardball tonight.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:32:59pm

Warner Wolf called. Let’s go to the video tape:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:33:53pm

Something to expect more of in Trump’s America:

From the BBC

Sex worker caught by ‘drone vigilante’ pleads guilty

Brian Bates used a drone to film Amanda Zolicoffer during a liaison with a man last August.
Mr Bates says this was the only occasion on which he has used a drone to film such an encounter.
A civil liberties campaigner pointed out that filming with drones could raise privacy concerns.
According to court documents seen by the BBC, Zolicoffer was sentenced to a year in state prison for the misdemeanour.
The case against her alleged client, who was released following arrest in December, is still pending.
Footage of an encounter between two individuals in a parked vehicle was given to Oklahoma City police by Mr Bates.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:34:25pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Oh, for Pete’s sake. What is wrong with these Bernie supporters?!

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WTF.

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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:35:19pm

re: #42 Lidane

ROFL. Freepers are calling bullshit on this story:

The level of denial that it takes to be a Trump supporter is just amazing.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:36:30pm
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Jack Burton  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:36:42pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

So… what he’s saying is still something said by white supremacists, he’s just not saying “-Insert Racists Name here- said” anymore.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:36:42pm

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Something to expect more of in Trump’s America:

From the BBC

Sex worker caught by ‘drone vigilante’ pleads guilty

Brian Bates used a drone to film Amanda Zolicoffer during a liaison with a man last August.
Mr Bates says this was the only occasion on which he has used a drone to film such an encounter.
A civil liberties campaigner pointed out that filming with drones could raise privacy concerns.
According to court documents seen by the BBC, Zolicoffer was sentenced to a year in state prison for the misdemeanour.
The case against her alleged client, who was released following arrest in December, is still pending.
Footage of an encounter between two individuals in a parked vehicle was given to Oklahoma City police by Mr Bates.

Another example of women being abused; she gets a year in prison for a misdemeanor which shouldn’t even be a crime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:37:07pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

The level of denial that it takes to be a Trump supporter is just amazing.

It is very low level of denial if you call it that at all: it is impossible to deny anything you have not thought through or even really thought about. These people simply live out their emotions from moment to moment, and DT’s entire message is based on manipulating that.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:37:23pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:37:46pm

re: #56 Big Beautiful Door

Another example of women being abused; she gets a year in prison for a misdemeanor which shouldn’t even be a crime.

And the bastard with the drone gets a Community Service Award

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:37:59pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:39:13pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump sounds exhausted at townhall in Appleton, Wisc. Eyes barely open, keeps repeating the same things.

He is morphing into a cross between Ben Carson and Rick Perry…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:39:21pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:40:21pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump clearly exhausted and crowd mostly geriatric vets. Only two words for this townhall: Low Energy

Is CNN going to run an interview with a vet who fell asleep at the rally?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:40:21pm

Cleveland is uh going to be interesting this summer.

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:41:44pm

IanG., if you are still around…

I saw your post in the previous thread about Henry Rollins commenting on Susan Sarandon.

Here is a link to a video of him on the very subject.

eBaum’s World - Henry Rollins On Celebrities That Sound Off On Politics

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KingKenrod  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:42:20pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He just took a one week vacation. No strength, no stamina!

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cat-tikvah  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:43:19pm

re: #39 Agnostick

I’ve actually read the Catholic bishops treatise on acceptable and taboo medical treatments and IVF is on the taboo list (and any assisted conception is to use ONLY ejaculate gathered in the “marital act”). Yet I’ve NEVER heard of IVF being banned or restricted when Catholic health systems take over secular ones. We had a planned merger here and the secular hospital was told that doing abortions for ANY reason was a deal-killer - yet nothing was ever said about the thriving IVF practices. Luckily the merger fell apart and that was the end of it. Oh, and the Catholic hospital had previously referred women who needed abortions for high risk and complicated medical reasons to the secular hospital before the proposed merger.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:44:04pm

One keeps on expecting Trump to flop but it hasn’t happened yet.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:44:06pm

And his staff just cobbled together a “clarification”:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:44:23pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think there’s a small but real probability he drops dead before November 8th. The results of course will be quite different depending on whether it’s before or after the Convention—common thread: more chaos.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:44:39pm

re: #69 lawhawk

And his staff just cobbled together a “clarification”:

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too late…

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:45:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:45:41pm

re: #69 lawhawk

And his staff just cobbled together a “clarification”:

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That wouldn’t be the same Ronald Reagan who signed what was then one of the most liberal state laws regarding abortion is it or is he talking about the Ronald Reagan that Republicans wack off to thinking if they come just enough, they’ll get their taxes cut and regulations will be a thing of the past.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:46:04pm

re: #72 lawhawk

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Yeah, he’s not alone on this at all.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:46:21pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Weekend at Reince’s

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:46:53pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Nope, the Reagan who sold arms to Iranians to fund the Contras, and also tucked tail and ran when the Marine barracks were blown up by Islamic terrorists.

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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:46:59pm

re: #69 lawhawk

And his staff just cobbled together a “clarification”:

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“Pro-life with exceptions,” with it unsaid that you’ll make it virtually impossible for most women to qualify for those “exceptions,” like waiting til a woman is suffering from septicemia before performing the abortion just to avoid the possibility that the fetus is still alive enough for the government to claim the procedure was “elective” rather than medically necessary.

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Jack Burton  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:48:32pm

re: #69 lawhawk

And his staff just cobbled together a “clarification”:

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The clarification should read: “This is what happens when you put a microphone in front of a crazy person who’s always talking out of his ass.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:48:50pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Nope, the Reagan who sold arms to Iranians to fund the Contras, and also tucked tail and ran when the Marine barracks were blown up by Islamic terrorists.

The Reagan who if Obama did so much as one of those things, he’d be put on trial by the House Republicans but because Gipper did it and made conservatives feel better about being bigoted losers, it’s okay.

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nines09  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:49:07pm

The GOP is a Limbo Party From Hell.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:49:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:49:45pm

re: #81 Kragar

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Words said by a man who likens his sleeping around to actual combat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:49:45pm

re: #72 lawhawk

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Ted Cruz:

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said last month that Congress could “absolutely” criminalize all abortion by passing a law giving 14th Amendment protections to fetuses and zygotes, thus bypassing a constitutional amendment overturning Roe v. Wade.

This represents the Republican presidential candidate’s strongest endorsement yet of the radical anti-choice “personhood” strategy, which, based on a questionable interpretation of Roe, holds that Congress can simply outlaw abortion by classifying fertilized eggs as persons under the law. If successful, personhood would outlaw nearly all abortions and could even criminalize certain types of birth control.

Cruz made the comments in a November 25 interview with influential social conservative commentator Robert George as part of a series of candidate interviews that George is hosting on the the Catholic television network EWTN.
- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:50:48pm
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:52:18pm

Dear Mr. Trump,

Will you please stick an old, smelly sock in that festering, pus filled orifice that you use for speaking?

I’d compare you to pond scum except for the fact that pond scum photosynthesizes and so performs a useful function. You draw all light, hope and happiness from the environment like some massive singularity of evil.

Crawl back into the hell pit that spawned you.

Sincerely,
Those of us who aren’t vicious, stupid, amorphous things from outside time and space..

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:52:48pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ted Cruz:

Exactly. This isn’t Trump isolated. This is Trump moving to the right on an issue to curry favor with voters he struggles with.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:53:24pm

re: #84 Kragar

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DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO HAVE TO WAIT 24 HOURS TO CALL BACK? I CALLED A CUTE BLONDE ONCE AND SHE DIDN’T RETURN THE CALL!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:53:27pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:53:37pm

re: #78 Jack Burton

The clarification should read: “This is what happens when you put a microphone in front of a crazy person who’s always talking out of his ass.”

If your drunk, racist uncle was running for President, he would be Donald Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:54:16pm

re: #89 Big Beautiful Door

If your drunk, racist uncle was running for President, he would be Donald Trump.

That’s going to be his running mate. He’s going to randomly pick one of the drunks from his audience and pick them as his running mate.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:54:25pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ted Cruz:

Zygotes. Cruz needs to receive millions of used tampons. He can look for zygotes.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:54:38pm

re: #89 Big Beautiful Door

If your drunk, racist uncle was running for President, he would be Donald Trump.

#HeWouldBeDonaldTrump

You may have just birthed a new hashtag. Go forth and spread the word.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:55:50pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:57:13pm

I cannot begin to fathom which politician would voluntarily yoke their careers to this man’s lunacy by agreeing to be his VP. The only thing I can assume at this point is he’s going to find an Admiral Stockdale-type who is there just to convince folks that there’s somebody “sane” in the White House if The Donald should croak suddenly.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:57:42pm
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Belafon  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:58:03pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

If I could reply: “Never. Because after nine months, I’m pretty sure the baby is ready to come out.”

Edit: Unless he or she is reading about the upcoming election.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:58:39pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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Kev should be so proud of himself.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:58:48pm

Every woman who is bleeding out of her whatever is a suspect. She needs to be jailed until menopause, at least.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 12:59:44pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

I cannot begin to fathom which politician would voluntarily yoke their careers to this man’s lunacy by agreeing to be his VP. The only thing I can assume at this point is he’s going to find an Admiral Stockdale-type who is there just to convince folks that there’s somebody “sane” in the White House if The Donald should croak suddenly.

Chris Christie, because he already yoked the remnants of his career to Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:00:10pm

Looks like mainstream journalists are already settling on the spin that Donald Trump is an outlier, and that most conservatives don’t agree with him on abortion. It’s total bullshit. This viewpoint is everywhere in conservative circles.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:00:43pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Looks like mainstream journalists are already settling on the spin that Donald Trump is an outlier, and that most conservatives don’t agree with him on abortion. It’s total bullshit. This viewpoint is everywhere in conservative circles.

This is in fact Trump pandering to conservative circles.

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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:01:22pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Looks like mainstream journalists are already settling on the spin that Donald Trump is an outlier, and that most conservatives don’t agree with him on abortion. It’s total bullshit. This viewpoint is everywhere in conservative circles.

“Liberal media,” my ass.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:02:35pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Looks like mainstream journalists are already settling on the spin that Donald Trump is an outlier, and that most conservatives don’t agree with him on abortion. It’s total bullshit. This viewpoint is everywhere in conservative circles.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:02:54pm

Trump: Women Who Have Abortions Should Be Punished; Send Them to Back Alley Butchers

Just a reminder: susan sarandon and bernie bros plan to support Trump if they don’t get their way.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:03:13pm
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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:04:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:04:37pm

Ted Cruz is proud of his endorsement by Troy Newman (Operation Rescue) who likens women who have abortions to “contract killers.

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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:04:51pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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Ah, it’s “Context” time again.

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Ian G.  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:06:30pm

re: #65 ObserverArt

Cool, thanks.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:07:05pm

re: #106 lawhawk

Hold the phone, I don’t recall pre Roe v Wade, but was it ever illegal for a woman to have an abortion? Or was it illegal to perform an abortion?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:07:34pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:08:00pm

re: #104 Dr. Matt

Trump: Women Who Have Abortions Should Be Punished; Send Them to Back Alley Butchers

Just a reminder: susan sarandon and bernie bros plan to support Trump if they don’t get their way.

The contradictions have to be heightened to get those dumb proles to wake up and revolt already.//

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:08:11pm

re: #106 lawhawk

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Stupid.

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blueraven  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:09:19pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Looks like mainstream journalists are already settling on the spin that Donald Trump is an outlier, and that most conservatives don’t agree with him on abortion. It’s total bullshit. This viewpoint is everywhere in conservative circles.

Yep. And FFS, what do Republicans, who are all pro-life, expect the outcome to be *when* they ban abortion? If it is against the law, there must be punishment. They just don’t want to say that out loud.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:09:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:10:00pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

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Trump also said on numerous occasions that he would nominate pro-life judges to SCOTUS to reverse Roe v Wade.

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Billy Batts  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:11:11pm

I think I need to up my Hillary v Trump bet with my wingnut cousin to $10,000.

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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:12:09pm

Really, rereading Trump’s remarks, there’s two things that are surprising. The first is that Trump is the first Republican to admit that banning abortion will mean arresting women. The second is that he’s the first Republican to acknowledge that banning abortion will not stop women from seeking it out, it will just push it into the back alleys it used to occupy.

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Ian G.  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:12:30pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart

Again, this resembles some Stalinist show trial except without the secret police to arrest Fields for counter-revolutionary activities and to March her to the wall after the “conviction”.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:12:38pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump also said on numerous occasions that he would nominate pro-life judges to SCOTUS to reverse Roe v Wade.

He wants to pick judges that the Heritage Foundation would choose, nuff said.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:13:16pm

re: #119 Ian G.

Again, this resembles some Stalinist show trial except without the secret police to arrest Fields for counter-revolutionary activities and to March her to the wall after the “conviction”.

I feel that today’s right wingers would make great Stalinists. They have the temperament and contempt for reality.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:13:58pm

re: #110 Franklin

Hold the phone, I don’t recall pre Roe v Wade, but was it ever illegal for a woman to have an abortion? Or was it illegal to perform an abortion?

A woman was charged with attempted first degree murder in Tennessee for trying to give herself a coat hanger abortion last year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:14:19pm

And MORE SPIN!

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Ian G.  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:14:41pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

I know logical consistency is not a wingnut’s strong point, but the same people who think banning abortion will end all abortions also fly into a spittle-flecked rage if you so much as suggest that some modest regulation of guns might cut back on crime committed with guns.

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Billy Batts  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:15:13pm

Wow, Trump just gave Hillary the best soundbite from now until November 8th. He’s finished.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:15:29pm

“I think the thing that makes this surprising to people is he never talks about this,” says Copeland of NARAL Ohio. “All you’ll ever find is he says, ‘I’m pro-life.’ That’s it. He wants do this on the down-low.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:15:46pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

And MORE SPIN!

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Then why preface his statement with “it needs to be banned.” Bunch of fucking ass kissers.

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Belafon  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:15:53pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I feel that today’s right wingers would make great Stalinists. They have the temperament and contempt for reality.

Yep, and they’d be perfectly fine with denying that they support Stalinism until their children are taken.

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Billy Batts  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:16:23pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guess these idiots don’t realize that the quote is a double whammy. One, abortion should be illegal and when it is, Two, a woman caught getting one should be arrested.

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sagehen  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:16:36pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]when is terminating a pregnancy not ok in your opinion?

How about… when the woman didn’t want the pregnancy terminated. When somebody else made the decision for her.

It would absolutely be not OK in that circumstance.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:16:53pm

re: #125 Billy Batts

Wow, Trump just gave Hillary the best soundbite from now until November 8th. He’s finished.

He’s not finished yet; he’s going to continue taking a wrecking ball to the GOP for months to come!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:17:17pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

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He reminds me a lot of Bob McDonnell in his approach to women. It’s a little different than Trump’s but it’s the same smug bullshit. A father/husband knows best type mindset. Whereas Trump is more the frat boy type sexist. Kasich is more your classic pipe in mouth kind of sexist that puts down women with “class”.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:18:42pm

re: #131 Big Beautiful Door

He’s not finished yet; he’s going to continue taking a wrecking ball to the GOP for months to come!

In fact, someone should put Trump’s head on Miley’s body in that wrecking ball video if they haven’t already.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:18:44pm
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Franklin  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:19:33pm

OK, doing a little reading on my question above and it looks like women were rarely if ever the target of prosecution for abortion pre Roe v Wade. In fact they were treated as secondary victims. The target of the prosecution was the abortionist.

So this would be uncharted territory by Trump, criminalizing women for getting abortions once he bans abortions by stacking the USSC.

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My research was from the “Americans United for Life” website…not linking. You can piece together below if you wish.

www . aul . org/2010/04/why-the-states-did-not-prosecute-women-for-abortion-before-roe-v-wade/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:20:50pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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That’s why they love slut shaming women and escorts at Planned Parenthood clinics.
They have a weird definition of “punishment”.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:21:01pm
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unproven innocence  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:22:07pm

re: #117 Billy Batts

I think I need to up my Hillary v Trump bet with my wingnut cousin to $10,000.

And if Trump drops out, or is somehow not the GOP nominee, how will you win that bet that Hillary beats Trump? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:23:16pm

“He’s not saying he wants to jail women for having abortions! He’s just saying he wants to ban abortions, which will mean women who undergo them will be charged with a crime! Can’t you lefties see the difference?!”

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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:23:38pm

What’s amazing is that from what polling I can find, only about 30% of Republicans think abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. And for the full population it’s about 18%. Think about that for a moment - the position is so extreme that it is 10 points under the crazification factor.

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sagehen  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:24:31pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

Really, rereading Trump’s remarks, there’s two things that are surprising. The first is that Trump is the first Republican to admit that banning abortion will mean arresting women. The second is that he’s the first Republican to acknowledge that banning abortion will not stop women from seeking it out, it will just push it into the back alleys it used to occupy.

Fun fact — pre-Roe v Wade to post-Roe v Wade, the birth rate didn’t change at all. Not the least little bit. But there was a mysterious, inexplicable reduction in the number of women dying from “hemorrhage” or “infection” or “blood poisoning.”

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Jack Burton  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:24:43pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

So there would be no need to punish anyone.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:24:52pm
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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:24:59pm
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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:27:49pm

Focus on the doctors, not the women. Women are the victims.

So much BS unpacked in all this. Make it impossible for women to get the medical care they need. Criminalize the procedures that can save the lives of women. Prevent women from getting access to abortions.

And throw in the fact that the GOP wants to make it impossible to get birth control through health insurance you pay for because the employer’s feels might be hurt (even though they save money by making sure you don’t get pregnant).

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Shimshon  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:28:10pm

Conservatives spend so much time obsessing over stopping abortion. But abortion is only written about in the Bible as not a big deal. I wonder if this is just a distraction issue where conservative Christians get to hang on to abortion and gays as the only issues that makes them “true Christians” as they ignore the social justice aspect of Jesus’ message?

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:29:06pm

And this doesn’t get into the punishment and gauntlet that women have to run to get an abortion. GOPers across the nation have been pushing these kinds of TRAP laws and restrictions on abortions, like transvaginal probing, second opinions, waiting periods, etc., all of which increase the cost and time to get an abortion.

Those are a de facto punishment for women.

These extremists are forced birthers.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:30:02pm
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Belafon  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:30:16pm

re: #144 lawhawk

I’ve noticed that it’s become harder for LOLGOP to mock Republicans, and has been having to straight up oppose them.

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Shimshon  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:30:20pm

re: #12 Lidane

They’re going to have to invent a whole new system of measurement to explain Trump’s demographic losses in November.

A Reistag fire (terrorist attack) or 2 would give him or any Republican a big boost, people are not rational thinkers when they are scared. And even after the misadventures of every Republican President when fighting wars, the American public strangely still trusts Republicans for national security.

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Great White Snark  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:30:42pm

How about 9 months in jail for the man that got her pregnant? Anybody calling for that?

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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:31:11pm

re: #146 Shimshon

Conservatives spend so much time obsessing over stopping abortion. But abortion is only written about in the Bible as not a big deal. I wonder if this is just a distraction issue where conservative Christians get to hang on to abortion and gays as the only issues that makes them “true Christians” as they ignore the social justice aspect of Jesus’ message?

Religion as a political tool (and it has long been used as a political tool throughout human history) is about control. They bang the drum on these issues as a means of asserting control over others. The problem for them is that their religious doctrines don’t (typically) have the force of law - and that feeds the freak out and claims of persecution.

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Shimshon  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:31:16pm

re: #149 Belafon

I’ve noticed that it’s become harder for LOLGOP to mock Republicans, and has been having to straight up oppose them.

I always suspected Colbert quit his show because he couldn’t parody the right any more as they were trying to out-do him in their extreme views.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:32:15pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:32:26pm

re: #146 Shimshon

Conservatives spend so much time obsessing over stopping abortion. But abortion is only written about in the Bible as not a big deal. I wonder if this is just a distraction issue where conservative Christians get to hang on to abortion and gays as the only issues that makes them “true Christians” as they ignore the social justice aspect of Jesus’ message?

It’s all about the misogyny. Keeping women from being economically competitive and self-determined. They use religion to help them where it does. They abandon religion where it conflicts with their goals.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:33:11pm
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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:33:18pm

re: #151 Great White Snark

How about 9 months in jail for the man that got her pregnant? Anybody calling for that?

You kidding? They would probably try to find away to get him off the hook for child support because she should have known better than to go to a bar in a skirt or be seen in public without a male family member

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:33:28pm
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Agnostick  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:33:38pm

re: #44 lawhawk

lawhawk…

My wife and I were granted a “miracle” about three months before our first IVF attempt. Said “miracle” celebrates her 11th birthday next month.

IUI, on the other hand… I remember all that. Along with trips to Nuevo Laredo for cheaper injectables, mounds of credit card debt… but we won in the end, that’s what counts.

I have a first cousin who has two kids from IVF… don’t remember how many failed attempts preceded the successes. She is staunchly conservative, anti-abortion. One of these days I’ll find the balls to show her that article. :p

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:38:18pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

Jack Mirkinson ✔ ‎@jackmirkinson

Kasich has an extremely lengthy history of punishing women for having abortions motherjones.com …


…

4:05 PM - 30 Mar 2016

And that is the real Johnny Kasich right there.

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Billy Batts  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:41:19pm

re: #138 unproven innocence

re: #138 unproven innocence

And if Trump drops out, or is somehow not the GOP nominee, how will you win that bet that Hillary beats Trump? Inquiring minds want to know.

No bet. It has to be HRC v Dipshit or the bet is off.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:41:27pm

re: #160 ObserverArt

And that is the real Johnny Kasich right there.

Kasich to Trump: ‘Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! We all agree, but you need to shut up!’

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Dave In Austin  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:42:54pm

Heh…….

Facebook Post

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Shimshon  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:44:22pm

re: #156 Kragar

And they spent all of the 2008 election explaining why Obama had no political experience and wasn’t a true Christian. Today, they are throwing their support behind Donald Trump! The right wing raised their kids right, get them to obsess over sports, that “us vs them” mentality carries over into the real world so well they even hate “the refs” which translates into evil big gubment.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:47:38pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:50:41pm
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KingKenrod  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:52:27pm

Conservatives are already punishing women by extending murder and manslaughter laws to cover fetuses. It’s obvious what they want to do.

It doesn’t matter that women were rarely prosecuted before Roe v. Wade. The anti-abortion movement is more radical now.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:52:43pm
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Belafon  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:56:03pm

If Trump were to somehow win, I don’t think a single Republican Congresscritter would actually oppose him..

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:58:15pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

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That’s really the point, isn’t it? I mean, if you’re going to go around shouting that ABORTION IS MURDER!!!, then it’s not just the doctors who perform them who would be guilty. After all, it’s a crime to hire a hitman to kill someone, EVEN IF they don’t actually do it. So, on what basis do they say they don’t mean women should be punished for seeking abortions?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:58:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:59:12pm

Welp, now I’m persecuting her. It always ends up there.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 1:59:54pm
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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:00:24pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

So, on what basis do they say they don’t mean women should be punished for seeking abortions?

If history has taught us anything, it’s that if you make something illegal, then it will never happen. That’s why we don’t have a problem with speeding, murder, unlawful immigration, drug use, and why the prohibition era was a rousing success!

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allegro  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:01:20pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s really the point, isn’t it? I mean, if you’re going to go around shouting that ABORTION IS MURDER!!!, then it’s not just the doctors who perform them who would be guilty. After all, it’s a crime to hire a hitman to kill someone, EVEN IF they don’t actually do it. So, on what basis do they say they don’t mean women should be punished for seeking abortions?

I believe their “reasoning” goes that a woman who seeks/has an abortion is not a criminal. She’s crazy. She needs mental help, likely commitment to a mental hospital. But that’s not punishment, it’s kindness to the poor soul who doesn’t know what’s best for her.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:01:34pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s really the point, isn’t it? I mean, if you’re going to go around shouting that ABORTION IS MURDER!!!, then it’s not just the doctors who perform them who would be guilty. After all, it’s a crime to hire a hitman to kill someone, EVEN IF they don’t actually do it. So, on what basis do they say they don’t mean women should be punished for seeking abortions?

Sales. Nobody’s buying the ‘punish the women’ flavor of bullshit.

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Shimshon  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:03:04pm

The abortion is murder crowd keeps voting for warmongering Republicans. Just like Jesus tells them!

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Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:03:20pm

Former Breitbart Writer Charged With Attempted Murder

The Trump-friendly site Breitbart seems to be finding itself in the news a lot lately, and certainly not for their ‘journalistic’ virtues. Case in point: Mr. Javier Manjarres, a prominent Conservative blogger based out of Florida. The former Breitbart blogger won the CPAC award for Blogger of the Year in 2011 for his work on his website The Shark Tank.

Manjarres was charged with attempted murder after he allegedly fired a gun at his sister’s boyfriend, Mediate reports. Or as Breitbart’s authors would put it, he was exercising his Second Amendment rights all over an unarmed man, for freedom.

I don’t remember him. Does he ring a bell with anyone?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:03:36pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:04:09pm
Sorry Bernie, I laughed.

I had to not only go outside, I had to actually briefly leave the lot to get this pic. So y’all owe me bigtime, mang. Payment in the form of basses and/or guitars is enthusiastically encouraged.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:04:56pm
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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:05:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:06:14pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

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It’s a simple If/Then.

IF abortion = murder THEN hiring someone to perform an abortion = hiring someone to commit murder.

The only way the conclusion isn’t true is if the premise isn’t true.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:06:55pm

re: #175 allegro

I believe their “reasoning” goes that a woman who seeks/has an abortion is not a criminal. She’s crazy. She needs mental help, likely commitment to a mental hospital. But that’s not punishment, it’s kindness to the poor soul who doesn’t know what’s best for her.

She’s only going to have regret and depression if she goes through with it, according to their ‘science’. According to my ‘science’, ‘God’ or random chance does half of all abortions before the woman knows she’s pregnant, whether that’s what the woman wants or not.

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Skip Intro  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:08:10pm

re: #181 FormerDirtDart

Of course that’s not even close to what he said.

I wonder if he’ll be able to walk back his statement after Putin fires his missles at us because of Trump’s stupid mouth?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:08:41pm

re: #182 Kragar

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And just like that, he steals agency from all women.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:09:05pm

re: #185 Skip Intro

Of course that’s not even close to what he said.

It is, in fact, the complete opposite of what he said.

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blueraven  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:09:46pm

Trump walking it back.

Issued statement saying IF abortion is illegal, Dr would be punished. Not women.

Oy.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:10:40pm
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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:11:28pm

Meanwhile, in the never ending persecution of mensfolk (at least in the fevered minds of the wingularity), we get this story:

A transgender male who was denied a haircut at a Long Beach barber shop sued the business Tuesday, claiming the employees said they did not cut women’s hair and that females were not allowed in the shop.

Rose Trevis’ Los Angeles Superior Court lawsuit against Hawleywood’s Barber Shop alleges discrimination based on gender and gender identity. The suit seeks unspecified damages.

The shop’s owner did not return a phone message asking him for comment.

According to the lawsuit, Hawleywood’s website describes the shop as a “men’s sanctuary” and includes the statement, “You all know how distracting a woman can be and who wants a straight-razor shave with a buxom blonde in the joint?”

I’ve seen a few barbershops that have tried to pull this and it makes no sense to me. Then again, my barbershop not only allows women customers, they have a female barber. It was only a matter of time before this happened, and I don’t feel the least bit bad about it. If you’re going to be open to the public, well, that means everyone.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:11:40pm

re: #189 Kragar

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You know who ELSE had enemies…

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blueraven  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:12:07pm

I will give Tweety credit. He pressed the issue and got to the truth of the matter. But even Trump can see how toxic this is.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:12:45pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:12:46pm

re: #12 Lidane

They’re going to have to invent a whole new system of measurement to explain Trump’s demographic losses in November.

That’s sort of up to us.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:13:52pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

And just like that, he steals agency from all women.

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KingKenrod  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:14:14pm

I wonder who wrote that statement for Trump? He sure as hell had nothing to do with it.

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iossarian  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:15:37pm

re: #190 KGxvi

If you’re going to be open to the public, well, that means everyone.

I think it’s a little more nuanced than that and it goes back to the observation that the difference between exploitation and empowerment is largely down to the power dynamic at play.

It’s empowering for trans people to be able to get the haircuts they want.

It’s exploitation for some asshole MRA to demand to have access to the women-only section of your local Halloween costume store.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:15:42pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

How is he even communicating these days??? That stuff on Maddow last night must have driven him to the brink, if not over…..

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:18:05pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

But remember, folks, there’s no difference between Trump and Hillary.

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Actually Trump is better because revolution something something.

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iossarian  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:19:55pm

The much-awaited RedState take (sorry not linking to the idjits):

Today, for instance, Trump got in some hot water for suggesting, in an interview with Chris Matthews, that if abortion became illegal, there would have to be “some form of punishment” for women who got abortions. I don’t have a huge problem with this stance at all, although I don’t think it’s necessary; punishing doctors who perform them is another way to solve the problem.

Emphasis mine.

Trump: saying out loud that which conservatives are only meant to say real quiet like.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:20:03pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

I’m sure he could use the money, though.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:21:13pm

re: #198 Dave In Austin

How is he even communicating these days??? That stuff on Maddow last night must have driven him to the brink, if not over…..

Oh he must love Maddow for that. Getting his mug on MSNBC is like gold for Rage Furby.

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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:22:02pm

re: #197 iossarian

I think it’s a little more nuanced than that and it goes back to the observation that the difference between exploitation and empowerment is largely down to the power dynamic at play.

It’s empowering for trans people to be able to get the haircuts they want.

It’s exploitation for some asshole MRA to demand to have access to the women-only section of your local Halloween costume store.

I have no idea what this means. I’m not being snarky either. But if some MRA asshole wants to wear a dress for Halloween, that’s entirely his right. Or am I missing something?

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BeachDem  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:24:14pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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FULL CONTEXT: Trump told @MSNBC if Abortion was BANNED, then there should be a punishment for women who have them.

Still, he maintains “you have to ban it.”

Take that for context, Katy.

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iossarian  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:26:04pm

re: #203 KGxvi

I have no idea what this means. I’m not being snarky either. But if some MRA asshole wants to wear a dress for Halloween, that’s entirely his right. Or am I missing something?

In my limited experience of shopping for Halloween costumes, I find that costume stores tend to have women-only sections so that, essentially, women can peruse the “naughty nurse” outfits without having some frat boy perv on them.

One consequence of enforcing the “all must be served” ideal could be the elimination of such safe spaces for relatively harmless fun. In the overall picture that might not be a big deal - I’m just pointing out that there are local examples (mine might not be a particularly good one) where refusing service to some people could be beneficial to a group on the wrong side of the power imbalance.

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Lidane  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:26:40pm

Mental health break:

Warren G ft. Nate Dogg | Regulate | Sesame Street Version

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Great White Snark  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:29:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:30:08pm

re: #190 KGxvi

First time I’ve ever heard guys complaining about buxom blondes hanging around a place…

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BeachDem  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:31:07pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

He reminds me a lot of Bob McDonnell in his approach to women. It’s a little different than Trump’s but it’s the same smug bullshit. A father/husband knows best type mindset. Whereas Trump is more the frat boy type sexist. Kasich is more your classic pipe in mouth kind of sexist that puts down women with “class”.

Yeah, he’s nothing but class when he insults women:

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:33:05pm

re: #181 FormerDirtDart

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good freaking grief…there’s video

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gocart mozart  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:50:38pm

re: #183 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a simple If/Then.

IF abortion = murder THEN hiring someone to perform an abortion = hiring someone to commit murder.

The only way the conclusion isn’t true is if the premise isn’t true.

Or, the other option: women, like young children or the mentally incapacitated, don’t have the ability to tell right from wrong and therefore have no moral agency. The R’s should go with that one. Donald may even agree.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 30, 2016 • 2:57:55pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart

Funny how Hannity is now at odds with the police who made the arrest when usually he’s on the police’s side.

Michelle Fields is conservative. Why would she lie about being attacked? This whole brouhaha shows exactly how Trump and his ilk feel about women — even those on their side.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 30, 2016 • 3:02:10pm

re: #188 blueraven

Trump walking it back.

Issued statement saying IF abortion is illegal, Dr would be punished. Not women.

Oy.

He doesn’t get off the hook so easily though. He said what he meant during that interview and is just walking it back because of the backlash. No one is fooled by any of this.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 30, 2016 • 4:17:55pm

re: #145 lawhawk

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Focus on the doctors, not the women. Women are the victims.

So much BS unpacked in all this. Make it impossible for women to get the medical care they need. Criminalize the procedures that can save the lives of women. Prevent women from getting access to abortions.

And throw in the fact that the GOP wants to make it impossible to get birth control through health insurance you pay for because the employer’s feels might be hurt (even though they save money by making sure you don’t get pregnant).

And again……ABORTION IS LEGAL


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