Presidential Debate 2: The Wrap-Up

PoliticsOctober 2016 • Views: 43,932

I’m already seeing some media declaring Trump the “winner” of this debate, because after all the most important thing is to keep the horse race going until the end.

But that’s laughable. Hillary Clinton mopped the floor with the talking yam tonight, once again, and was unflappable and on point from start to finish as Trump scowled, sniffed loudly, lied repeatedly about everything under the sun, and stalked menacingly around the stage as Hillary spoke.

The most striking difference between the two: when an audience member asked a question, Hillary responded to him or her by name, and addressed them directly with a real answer. Trump, on the other hand, used the questions as nothing more than a diving board into his pool of egomaniacal ranting, and never even looked at the people who asked them.

And the most outrageous thing Trump said: he vowed that if he wins the election, he’ll appoint a special prosecutor to get Hillary Clinton sent to prison. For what? Who knows?

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Kragar Oct 9, 2016 • 8:20:25pm

Trump:”They were just words, not actions.”

YOU WERE TELLING SOMEONE WHAT YOU DID!#debate

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 10, 2016

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Ace-o-aces Oct 9, 2016 • 8:20:47pm

So, I’ll be at the #debate today… BIG thnx to @WeSearchr for flying me out!

— Kathy Shelton (@KathyShelton_) October 9, 2016

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And here it is, the Chuck C. Johnson - @realDonaldTrump connection https://t.co/AXCh26tvYp

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) October 10, 2016

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Dave In Austin Oct 9, 2016 • 8:20:58pm

STFU Rudy…… FUCK!!

Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 8:22:12pm

Tiffany Trump skillfully pulls away from her dad’s kiss #debate pic.twitter.com/aFDvMCMElu

— BryFun (@BryFun1) October 10, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Oct 9, 2016 • 8:22:24pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

Shocked, shocked I say…

Juanita Broaddrick just told me Breitbart paid for her travel expenses to the debate.

— David Catanese (@davecatanese) October 10, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Oct 9, 2016 • 8:23:48pm

Ladies, if you must know, this is what “locker room banter” is really like. pic.twitter.com/gSCUjwhkjH

— Kyle Whitmire (@WarOnDumb) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:24:17pm

I feel bad for Juanita, Kathy, and these women. I really do. But if they think CCJ and Breitbart actually give two shits about victims of sexual assault. I got a bridge to sell them.

Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 8:24:34pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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b_sharp Oct 9, 2016 • 8:25:28pm

Tomorrow is Thanksgiving here. Today I went to go get my grandson from his dad’s place & I got half way there before my battery gave out. My alternator is dead for the 3rd time this year. I had to leave the car where it was and bring the battery back with me so I could charge it. I just checked it and it’s still charging.

Yet, my day has been much better than Americans who have to contemplate a Trump presidency because - voter insanity.

jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:25:32pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

“Try to control the arm” is what she’s thinking.

Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 8:25:58pm

Lord bringing up the “New Black Panthers” at the polls again!

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:26:58pm

re: #11 Big Beautiful Door

Lord bringing up the “New Black Panthers” at the polls again!

Jeffrey, your candidate has actually proposed voter intimidation. Last I saw the Black New Panthers aren’t Clinton supporters and nor are they intimidating voters like your asshole wants to.

jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:27:06pm

It is simply a fundamental breach of the rule of law to advocate jailing political opponents while running for office.

— Ari Melber (@AriMelber) October 10, 2016

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philosophus invidius Oct 9, 2016 • 8:27:15pm

Can you “win” when you do nothing but tell lies? Well, maybe, if your opponent doesn’t point out your lies.

EPR-radar Oct 9, 2016 • 8:27:52pm

As long as the Republican party remains the proto-fascist dungheap that it is, Eco’s Ur-Fascism article will always remain on point.

Today’s selection is made with the Trump tapes in mind:

12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters. This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur- Fascist hero tends to play with weapons - doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.

jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:27:58pm

Winning candidates don’t threaten to put opponents in jail. Presidents don’t threaten prosecution of individuals. Trump is wrong on this.

— Ari Fleischer (@AriFleischer) October 10, 2016

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Joe Bacon Oct 9, 2016 • 8:28:02pm

Here comes Hugh Hewitt on BSRNC.

boredtechindenver Oct 9, 2016 • 8:28:15pm

Repost from downstairs:

Has any major US politician publicly said that we should “Arm the Kurds” prior to tonight, and how do we think that will play out with our ME allies?

goddamnedfrank Oct 9, 2016 • 8:28:22pm

Chris Matthews first question to Giuliana was “does Hillary have a stamina problem?” pic.twitter.com/ItgXNFZmqy

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:28:38pm

Even Ari Fleischer.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:28:50pm

Trump can’t go anywhere in his rants without saying our country is awful and that he’s the only way we can save it. I don’t know about you but if I were undecided, I’d find that to be a huge turnoff. There’s no optimism to Trump’s campaign about our country. Everything is awful, awful ,awful.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:29:10pm

re: #16 jaunte

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When you lost Ari………….

Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 8:29:23pm

re: #18 boredtechindenver

Repost from downstairs:

Has any major US politician publicly said that we should “Arm the Kurds” prior to tonight, and how do we think that will play out with our ME allies?

Turkey will be very upset.

LoonRadio Oct 9, 2016 • 8:29:37pm

Once again, after the debate Mr Trump talks to his family, while Secretary Clinton talks to voters.

jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:30:13pm

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Dr Lizardo Oct 9, 2016 • 8:31:10pm

re: #24 LoonRadio

Once again, after the debate Mr Trump talks to his family, while Secretary Clinton talks to voters.

Please, like Trump is going to associate with the hoi-polloi. He might get a cold or something (from what I understand, he’s somewhat paranoid of germs).

jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:31:23pm

holy shit he memed his most repugnant fascistic moment #debate pic.twitter.com/JGbat8u0o1

— daniel sieradski (@selfagency) October 10, 2016

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philosophus invidius Oct 9, 2016 • 8:32:06pm

After the debate, Predictwise has odds for Dem going down from 87% to 86%

Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 8:32:30pm

Trump Sr advisor Stephen Miller stormed spin room announcing “biggest victory in the history of debates.”

— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) October 10, 2016

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Eric The Fruit Bat Oct 9, 2016 • 8:33:25pm

GOP at this moment. #debate pic.twitter.com/nD0gc29sWj

— Michael Steele (@MichaelSteele) October 10, 2016

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 8:33:38pm

Focus Group: Who are you willing to vote for?BEFORE #DEBATE• Hillary: 8• Trump: 9AFTER DEBATE• Hillary: 4• Trump: 18

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) October 10, 2016

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So, Frankie got five more people to join the focus group during the debate?

FormerDirtDart Oct 9, 2016 • 8:34:13pm

Khizr Khan, father of Capt. Humayan Khan, to @MSNBC on his reaction to Trump saying that if he had been prez, Khan would be alive today. pic.twitter.com/8Qn759vqU1

— Lisa Feierman (@lisathefeierman) October 10, 2016

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Decatur Deb Oct 9, 2016 • 8:35:00pm

She didn’t finish him, so we get to do this all again.

EPR-radar Oct 9, 2016 • 8:35:32pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

I’d rather believe Frank Luntz is just making his numbers up than to accept the existence of at least 4 people in the US whose preference changed from Clinton to Trump because of that debate.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:35:54pm

re: #32 FormerDirtDart

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What pisses me off is when Pence goes on and on about how he opposed Iraq is that his own running mate supported the war without question. I won’t say Clinton opposed the war but she didn’t do what Pence and pretty much everyone else in the GOP did.

jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:35:57pm

Thank you, @JoyAnnReid for 1) forcefully pointing out how insane it is that Trump threatened to jail his opponent

— Rebecca Traister (@rtraister) October 10, 2016

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2) accurately describing his “lack of knowledge on really anything” & 3) noting “there is no style point you can award” to make up that

— Rebecca Traister (@rtraister) October 10, 2016

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prairiefire Oct 9, 2016 • 8:36:11pm

re: #33 Decatur Deb

She didn’t finish him, so we get to do this all again.

Democracy, baby!

EPR-radar Oct 9, 2016 • 8:36:23pm

re: #33 Decatur Deb

She didn’t finish him, so we get to do this all again.

There’s no such thing as a clean finishing blow vs. an undead abomination.

Timothy Watson Oct 9, 2016 • 8:36:35pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

Juanita Broaddrick just told me Breitbart paid for her travel expenses to the debate.

How the fuck is that not an illegal campaign contribution?

Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 8:36:39pm

@ddale8 There was absolutely nothing “humorous” about that. He was dead serious, threatening to appoint a special prosecutor if he’s elected.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:36:43pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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Not by a long shot Stephen. First you have to win a debate.

philosophus invidius Oct 9, 2016 • 8:37:00pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

some weren’t willing to vote either?

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:37:27pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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Oh I’m sure they’d have that exact same response if Clinton talked that way about Donald.

Weaselone Oct 9, 2016 • 8:38:16pm

re: #34 EPR-radar

Could be real. He might just select based on people he knows are looking for any reason to support Trump. Trump doesn’t explode into a ball of burning fecal matter during the debate, they move to Trump.

Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 8:38:40pm

Focus Group: Who are you willing to vote for?

BEFORE #DEBATE
• Hillary: 8
• Trump: 9

AFTER DEBATE
• Hillary: 4
• Trump: 18

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) October 10, 2016

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@FrankLuntz LOL, Fox News focus group. We never get tired of this schtick. https://t.co/PsMHNyo4vD

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 10, 2016

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EPR-radar Oct 9, 2016 • 8:38:56pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

“Special Prosecutor” isn’t the term to use for Trump’s suggestion.

The correct term is “Grand Inquisitor”.

ObserverArt Oct 9, 2016 • 8:38:57pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

Kathy Shelton @KathyShelton_
So, I’ll be at the #debate today… BIG thnx to @WeSearchr for flying me out!
7:05 PM - 9 Oct 2016
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I made this comment in the last thread in answer to something Happy Warrior said about Kathy Shelton.

Happy said: Hope Kathy is proud of being funded by a pathetic little troll of a man who actually harasses rape victims and cheers political violence on.

My comment:

She probably has no idea who it was that paid for the trip. All that matters is she gets to be mentioned nationally, a little TV time and a way to get back at a Clinton.

In a way, she is getting abused again. All the “Clinton victims” are. Once the election is over they will never be heard from or thought of again.

teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 8:39:11pm

re: #42 philosophus invidius

Frankie’s science isn’t an exact science. In fact he was harshly criticized by The Donald™.

.@FrankLuntz, your so-called “focus groups” are a total joke. Don’t come to my office looking for business again. You are a clown!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 7, 2015

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Targetpractice Oct 9, 2016 • 8:39:40pm

re: #33 Decatur Deb

She didn’t finish him, so we get to do this all again.

She hasn’t killed him, she’s done far worse than that. She’s hurt him. And she wishes to go on hurting him. She’ll leave him as he left his other opponents, marooned in the heart of a dead campaign. Buried alive.

EPR-radar Oct 9, 2016 • 8:39:51pm

re: #44 Weaselone

Could be real. He might just select based on people he knows are looking for any reason to support Trump. Trump doesn’t explode into a ball of burning fecal matter during the debate, they move to Trump.

Meatheads like this should have been for Trump both before and after the debate.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:40:42pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

I made this comment in the last thread in answer to something Happy Warrior said about Kathy Shelton.

My comment:

She probably has no idea who it was that paid for the trip. All that matters is she gets to be mentioned nationally, a little TV time and a way to get back at a Clinton.

In a way, she is getting abused again. All the “Clinton victims” are. Once the election is over they will never be heard from or thought of again.

Didn’t see your comment regarding that. I think your right. Honestly, I feel bad for her but I do think she’s getting used and doesn’t realize it. I also think and I hate to sound callous here but I think she seems bothered by the fact that everyone gets counsel in this country if they go on trial.

Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 8:41:03pm

re: #28 philosophus invidius

After the debate, Predictwise has odds for Dem going down from 87% to 86%

Win!//

Tigger2 Oct 9, 2016 • 8:41:25pm

LOL

Just had to make sure I got a screenshot of this. pic.twitter.com/mY1189ZB1t

— Devil’s Mattvocate (@mr_oberts) October 10, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Oct 9, 2016 • 8:41:39pm

Donald Trump is winning! pic.twitter.com/C3CZG1J3nK

— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) October 10, 2016

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danarchy Oct 9, 2016 • 8:42:03pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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Isn’t he with CBS now or something?

Weaselone Oct 9, 2016 • 8:42:08pm

re: #50 EPR-radar

Not after the 1st debate and recent video. Makes it easy for him. Just picks individuals whose support for Trump wavered knowing they’ll seize any excuse to support him again.

Single-handed sailor Oct 9, 2016 • 8:42:23pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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Considering he did the focus group in Missouri, I believe those results. They are redder than Texas this year.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:42:28pm

re: #53 Tigger2

LOL

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Waaaaaaaaaaaah. I’m a stupid gun nut who is in denial.

freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 8:42:28pm

I’m seeing on Facebook a lot of people really liking Drumfpskind threatening to jail Hillary.

Lots of fascist-hopefuls out there.

jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:42:54pm

CNN talking about how Trump “exceeded expectations” in an on-line poll.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:43:03pm

re: #57 Single-handed sailor

Considering he did the focus group in Missouri, I believe those results. They are redder than Texas this year.

Odd thing though about Missouri is that the Dem running for Senate there is running a solid campaign.

Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 8:43:14pm

CNN poll. Hillary won 57%-34%, but 62% said Trump beat expectations.

Interesting Times Oct 9, 2016 • 8:43:17pm

If there were a Pulitzer prize for punditry…

Dear GOP: Congrats! We nominated a misogynist, racist, vulgar, lying, ignorant, mad man as our nominee. Oh, and he breaths like Darth Vader.

— Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) October 10, 2016

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EPR-radar Oct 9, 2016 • 8:43:58pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

She hasn’t killed him, she’s done far worse than that. She’s hurt him. And she wishes to go on hurting him. She’ll leave him as he left his other opponents, marooned in the heart of a dead campaign. Buried alive.

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That reminds me of a particularly nasty scene in Tokyo Ghoul

Click to Reveal

For payback vs. a villain, the protagonist doesn’t kill the villain. Instead he ‘half-kills’ the villain, implemented by breaking 103/206 of the villain’s bones.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:44:07pm

re: #59 freetoken

I’m seeing on Facebook a lot of people really liking Drumfpskind threatening to jail Hillary.

Lots of fascist-hopefuls out there.

I seem to recall when Rafael Videla of the Processo Argetnina Junta died that a lot of right wingers who knew about the Dirty War were wishing that they could to liberals what Videla and his fascist thugs did to left wingers in Argentina.

Timothy Watson Oct 9, 2016 • 8:44:09pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Waaaaaaaaaaaah. I’m a stupid ~~gun~~ nut who is in denial.

FTFY

Decatur Deb Oct 9, 2016 • 8:44:25pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

She hasn’t killed him, she’s done far worse than that. She’s hurt him. And she wishes to go on hurting him. She’ll leave him as he left his other opponents, marooned in the heart of a dead campaign. Buried alive.

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As long as that crew of throwbacks is functioning, the country is at real risk.

FormerDirtDart Oct 9, 2016 • 8:44:28pm

In a CNN focus group, ONE out of 29 undecided voters thought Donald Trump won the debate

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:44:41pm

re: #63 Interesting Times

If there were a Pulitzer prize for punditry…

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Ana, you can leave the GOP. No one will think less of you if you do. They don’t deserve you.

MsJ Oct 9, 2016 • 8:44:48pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

She hasn’t killed him, she’s done far worse than that. She’s hurt him. And she wishes to go on hurting him. She’ll leave him as he left his other opponents, marooned in the heart of a dead campaign. Buried alive.

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I think if you look at what Kate McKinney(?) said on SNL when asked about trump leaving the ticket “NO NO NO, GUVE HIM A CHANCE!!” was so spot on. That’s what Hils did.

Weaselone Oct 9, 2016 • 8:44:58pm

re: #62 Big Beautiful Door

CNN poll. Hillary won 57%-34%, but 62% said Trump beat expectations.

That actually does make sense…It’s honestly surprising that the exceeds expectations vote wasn’t higher. All he had to do was avoid smearing himself in his own excrement, dousing himself in gasoline and setting himself on fire.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:45:19pm

re: #68 FormerDirtDart

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That’s because to CNN’s credit, they’re not total hacks like Luntz.

Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 8:45:34pm

First actual polls already coming out.
Clinton won in both of them.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:45:58pm

re: #62 Big Beautiful Door

CNN poll. Hillary won 57%-34%, but 62% said Trump beat expectations.

Yeah I can see that.

freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 8:46:11pm

re: #73 Scottishdragon

The real effect will be seen around Wednesday, when various state-by-state poll updates come in.

Targetpractice Oct 9, 2016 • 8:46:28pm

re: #62 Big Beautiful Door

CNN poll. Hillary won 57%-34%, but 62% said Trump beat expectations.

And that’s why the media has wood right now, their big story for tomorrow is “Trump Exceeds Expectations.” Not “Trump Threatens To Jail Clinton” or “Trump Snorts And Bellows,” but instead long puff pieces about how Trump came off more “polished” than the last debate while Hillary was “defensive.”

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:46:39pm

re: #75 freetoken

The real effect will be seen around Wednesday, when various state-by-state poll updates come in.

We haven’t even seen the state polls in the aftermath of the tape yet.

MsJ Oct 9, 2016 • 8:46:39pm

re: #60 jaunte

CNN talking about how Trump “exceeded expectations” in an on-line poll.

And he still lost that online poll.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:47:03pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

And that’s why the media has wood right now, their big story for tomorrow is “Trump Exceeds Expectations.” Not “Trump Threatens To Jail Clinton” or “Trump Snorts And Bellows,” but instead long puff pieces about how Trump came off more “polished” than the last debate while Hillary was “defensive.”

They do love their horse races.

Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 8:47:18pm

re: #75 freetoken

The real effect will be seen around Wednesday, when various state-by-state poll updates come in.

The fact checking over the next 48 hours will be brutal, and his comments regarding the tape will be replayed…

Decatur Deb Oct 9, 2016 • 8:47:25pm

re: #73 Scottishdragon

First actual polls already coming out.
Clinton won in both of them.

Instant polls are like instant oatmeal.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:47:58pm

re: #80 Scottishdragon

The fact checking over the next 48 hours will be brutal, and his comments regarding the tape will be replayed…

The tape’s not going away and I think she’s definitely going to hit on this new thing with China and steel.

Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 8:48:08pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

And that’s why the media has wood right now, their big story for tomorrow is “Trump Exceeds Expectations.” Not “Trump Threatens To Jail Clinton” or “Trump Snorts And Bellows,” but instead long puff pieces about how Trump came off more “polished” than the last debate while Hillary was “defensive.”

The bit about jailing his opponent may well become a major story. I am seeing it a lot.

goddamnedfrank Oct 9, 2016 • 8:48:15pm

I vote that men with mothers, sisters and daughters who are born by normal vaginal means Clean Up Their Locker Room Talk NOW! #debate

— Iyanla Vanzant (@IyanlaVanzant) October 10, 2016

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Iyanla’s singling out of people born via c-section is probably the strangest take of the night. https://t.co/6Cfor2oZVW

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:48:46pm

re: #83 Scottishdragon

The bit about jailing his opponent may well become a major story. I am seeing it a lot.

Yeah I really think it will. That one’s hard to ignore even for the most MBF journalist.

Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 8:48:47pm

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Instant polls are like instant oatmeal.

It sticks to you and refuses to leave?

freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 8:49:14pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

We haven’t even seen the state polls in the aftermath of the tape yet.

It will all be wrapped up in this next polling window.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:49:52pm

re: #87 freetoken

It will all be wrapped up in this next polling window.

I think we’ll see gains by her. I just don’t see how she’s done any damage to herself the past week. Trump OTOH.

FormerDirtDart Oct 9, 2016 • 8:49:56pm

STOP THE PRESSES! New front page:
GRAB A SEAT, LOSER!
Trump’s vile comments help hand Hil another #debate winhttps://t.co/O9WYgoFquD pic.twitter.com/3KsAeNGxWd

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) October 10, 2016

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Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 8:50:02pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Yeah I really think it will. That one’s hard to ignore even for the most MBF journalist.

Never go full metal banana republic dictator on TV….

Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 8:50:28pm

Cool. I now have an LGF script that lets me very quickly block and mute a troll just by pasting in the address of one of their tweets.

HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:50:53pm

re: #90 Scottishdragon

Never go full metal banana republic dictator on TV….

I’m waiting for him to proclaim that all the admirals and generals and CMOH winners that he says supports him have promoted him to General.

Decatur Deb Oct 9, 2016 • 8:50:56pm

re: #87 freetoken

It will all be wrapped up in this next polling window.

I hate horror movies where the dead monster’s eye opens under the closing credits.

freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 8:51:13pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

If only the meat world could work that easily.

Dr Lizardo Oct 9, 2016 • 8:52:05pm

re: #89 FormerDirtDart

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LOL at that photo of Trump. Looks like he’s trying to let one rip without shitting his pants.

jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:52:06pm

Kellyanne Conway just went on CNN and said the Trump campaign had “a great week.”

— Jared Yates Sexton (@JYSexton) October 10, 2016

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Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 8:52:27pm

I think the media consensus is forming towards a Clinton win…but not decisive enough to kill him off immediately (as if that was actually possible given his 40% floor that will never leave him under any circumstance)

Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 8:53:14pm

@woodruffbets Another reason I could never be a politician. Sometimes “fuck you” is absolutely called for.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 10, 2016

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 8:53:42pm

hey, @realDonaldTrump – regarding your claim that Captain Khan would be alive if you were president:

go fuck yourself.#debate

— Jesse Lehrich (@JesseLehrich) October 10, 2016

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Decatur Deb Oct 9, 2016 • 8:53:56pm

re: #96 jaunte

Kellyanne Conway just went on CNN and said the Trump campaign had “a great week.”

The Republican Guard is still in control of the Baghdad airport.

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Targetpractice Oct 9, 2016 • 8:53:57pm

One Farker noted that in addition to pacing and looming, Trump never sat the mic down once during the debate. By contrast, Hillary would sit down and set the mic down when Trump was giving an answer, not standing around as if she waiting for an opportunity to butt in. The mods actually had to call him out on interrupting her when she respectfully let him use his full 2 minutes.

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EPR-radar Oct 9, 2016 • 8:54:17pm

re: #96 jaunte

If i recall correctly, there’s no delusional female character in the relevant part of Downfall that could be given Kellyanne Conway’s lines.

That’s a damn shame.

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Schroedinger's Dog Oct 9, 2016 • 8:54:49pm

Best to let him twist then release another tape

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Decatur Deb Oct 9, 2016 • 8:55:20pm

re: #102 EPR-radar

If i recall correctly, there’s no delusional female character in the relevant part of Downfall that could be given Kellyanne Conway’s lines.

That’s a damn shame.

Bet she sings a mean lullaby.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 9, 2016 • 8:55:32pm

re: #102 EPR-radar

If i recall correctly, there’s no delusional female character in the relevant part of Downfall that could be given Kellyanne Conway’s lines.

That’s a damn shame.

You’re right. All the female characters pretty much clearly recognized that it was game over.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:55:34pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

One Farker noted that in addition to pacing and looming, Trump never sat the mic down once during the debate. By contrast, Hillary would sit down and set the mic down when Trump was giving an answer, not standing around as if she waiting for an opportunity to butt in. The mods actually had to call him out on interrupting her when she respectfully let him use his full 2 minutes.

I don’t think I’ve heard interrupt him once in these two debates when he’s had his time speaking. Meanwhile, he interrupts her a lot.

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Shiplord Kirel Oct 9, 2016 • 8:55:35pm

I’ll be glad when this election is over. Even the barest possibility of Trump winning is too much.

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 8:56:09pm

OK. I completely avoided the debate and watched the Packers win instead. What’s the good word, folks? Did Trump destroy the GOP tonight?

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:56:18pm

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

You’re right. All the female characters pretty much clearly recognized that it was game over.

I actually started watching it again the other night. Man it’s a great movie.

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Shiplord Kirel Oct 9, 2016 • 8:57:37pm

Just saw the replay of Bill Clinton during the mango’s attacks on him. Bill looks like he wants to strangle him.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 9, 2016 • 8:58:05pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I actually started watching it again the other night. Man it’s a great movie.

Yes it is. I consider Downfall to be one of the greatest war films of all time. It’s a masterpiece with a tour de force performance by Bruno Ganz. That’s the performance he’ll always be remembered for.

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EPR-radar Oct 9, 2016 • 8:58:16pm

re: #108 Lidane

OK. I completely avoided the debate and watched the Packers win instead. What’s the good word, folks? Did Trump destroy the GOP tonight?

No major meltdown by Trump, so half the media will give him a debate ‘win’ for that alone.

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 8:58:28pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel

Just saw the replay of Bill Clinton during the mango’s attacks on him. Bill looks like he wants to strangle him.

Robert DeNiro will punch Trump in the face for free.

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Decatur Deb Oct 9, 2016 • 8:58:49pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel

Just saw the replay of Bill Clinton during the mango’s attacks on him. Bill looks like he wants to strangle him.

I voted for him twice. Fuck him, he earned that.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 9, 2016 • 8:59:22pm

Back later. Off to work.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 8:59:32pm

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

Yes it is. I consider Downfall to be one of the greatest war films of all time. It’s a masterpiece with a tour de force performance by Bruno Ganz. That’s the performance he’ll always be remembered for.

He reminds me of Anthony Hopkins who consequently also played Hitler in a movie about the Fueherbunker. But yeah it’s an amazing movie. The Hitler responds to memes aside, it’s just excellently filmed and very well acted all around. It had to be difficult as hell for Ganz to play someone like Hitler but he pulled it off amazingly.

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:00:06pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

The tape’s not going away and I think she’s definitely going to hit on this new thing with China and steel.

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freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 9:00:35pm

So, on Facebook, I’m seeing posts by women who are cheering on Drumpfksind.

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ObserverArt Oct 9, 2016 • 9:00:56pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

I don’t think I’ve heard interrupt him once in these two debates when he’s had his time speaking. Meanwhile, he interrupts her a lot.

And I hope everyone remembers he complained about Tim Kaine interrupting Pence.

Typical bully move.

Trump: Teacher…teacher…Tim Kaine interrupted Mike Pence!!! He was bad. Are you going to punish him? Huh?

Teacher: Little Donnie Trump, stop interrupting the class to cry like the little bully brat you are.

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 9:01:17pm

In the spin room, Nigel Farrage just compared Trump to a “silverback gorilla.” “He dominated her.”

— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) October 10, 2016

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Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 9:01:31pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

We haven’t even seen the state polls in the aftermath of the tape yet.

I predict that by the end of this week, Trump’s odds of winning in 538’s polls only model will be in the single digits.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:01:45pm

re: #119 ObserverArt

And I hope everyone remembers he complained about Tim Kaine interrupting Pence.

Typical bully move.

Trump: Teacher…teacher…Tim Kaine interrupted Mike Pence!!! He was bad. Are you going to punish him? Huh?

Teacher: Little Donnie Trump, stop interrupting the class to cry like the little bully brat you are.

He complains so much. That’s what I kept on telling my parents. Cartman all grown up but with none of Cartman’s redeemable qualities.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:02:14pm

re: #120 Lidane

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Dave In Austin Oct 9, 2016 • 9:02:25pm

In the spin room, Nigel Farrage just compared Trump to a “silverback gorilla.” “He dominated her.”

— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) October 10, 2016

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I hope the Trump team keeps using this analogy. It should work out nicely. https://t.co/FuUw1Sbk1R

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) October 10, 2016

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 9:02:55pm

The men rushing to tell us all that they talk about women exactly the way @realDonaldTrump did in his tape seem to think they’re helping.

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) October 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:03:38pm

re: #121 Big Beautiful Door

I predict that by the end of this week, Trump’s odds of winning in 538’s polls only model will be in the single digits.

That sounds right to me. I just don’t see a Dewey defeats Truman type comeback in the works for Trump. He’s really not helping himself but equally important, Clinton isn’t hurting herself. I really saw nothing tonight that I thought would weaken her dramatically.

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Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 9:03:55pm

And here come the Pepes and deplorables and “constitutional conservatives” again.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 10, 2016

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 9:04:40pm

A few politicians who have jailed their political opponents:
Putin
Erdogan
Chavez
Mugabe
Pinochet
Noriega #justsayin #debate

— Jake Horowitz (@jacobdhorowitz) October 10, 2016

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 9:05:18pm

Looking at debate stuff now. I can’t believe that Trump openly threatened to imprison Hillary. That’s bugfuck insane.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:05:22pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

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You know how you were saying earlier you couldn’t be a politician? I was thinking that about when Trump complained about her calling his supporters deplorable. I would have been “well yeah Donald, David Duke supports you, your own campaign manager Steve Bannon has written and said terribly bigoted things. So yeah your supporters are deplorable.” Man guys like us could never be President.

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Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 9:05:45pm

In the spin room, Nigel Farrage just compared Trump to a “silverback gorilla.” “He dominated her.”

— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) October 10, 2016

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@BuzzFeedBen Good freaking grief. Somebody call Jane Goodall. https://t.co/0kyvw7JCEA

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 10, 2016

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:06:00pm

re: #128 Lidane

You can almost spell “Pence” with the first initials of all those despots.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Oct 9, 2016 • 9:06:01pm

alright, I think I am gonna play Diablo 3 for a while.

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 9:06:30pm

re: #120 Lidane

Silverback gorillas always whine about being interrupted by a gay man and two women.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:07:04pm

re: #132 teleskiguy

You can almost spell “Pence” with the first initials of all those despots.

Too bad it’s al-Assad then you could do that.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Oct 9, 2016 • 9:07:34pm

re: #23 Big Beautiful Door

Turkey needs to be dumped out of NATO and as an ally the moment Russia seizes up and crashes, which will happen.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:07:46pm

re: #134 jaunte

Silverback gorillas always whine about being interrupted by a gay man and two women.

You missed it, it was in Tarzan, Cheetah always complained when Jane interrupted him.

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 9:08:49pm

@reimamy I’m an expert & ABSOLUTELY

— Carrie Fisher (@carrieffisher) October 10, 2016

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Shiplord Kirel Oct 9, 2016 • 9:08:55pm

The Democrats should have a guy in a gorilla suit at the next debate. He can get up each time tRump does.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:08:55pm

She makes one great point constantly though. He never apologizes. That’s the kind of little man he is.

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 9, 2016 • 9:09:28pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

And that’s why the media has wood right now, their big story for tomorrow is “Trump Exceeds Expectations.” Not “Trump Threatens To Jail Clinton” or “Trump Snorts And Bellows,” but instead long puff pieces about how Trump came off more “polished” than the last debate while Hillary was “defensive.”

The headline should be “Trump endeavors to persevere.”

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freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 9:09:32pm

re: #129 Lidane

Looking at debate stuff now. I can’t believe that Trump openly threatened to imprison Hillary. That’s bugfuck insane.

HIs fans are eating it up.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:09:51pm

re: #142 freetoken

HIs fans are eating it up.

Of course they are but hey wasn’t it awful to call them deplorable?

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Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 9:10:42pm

In CNN poll, 26% said the tape controversy made them think less of Trump, and amazingly about 16% think more positively, and 58% didn’t change. Probably for many of them because, like me, they can’t have a lower opinion of him.

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Dave In Austin Oct 9, 2016 • 9:11:36pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

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Trump reminds Jane Goodall of male chimpanzees she’s studied https://t.co/y65LR5RKtJ via @WomenintheWorld

— Mark Urban (@MarkUrban8plus1) October 10, 2016

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 9:11:43pm

The debate organizers failed to anticipate Trump’s insecure need to loom physically over his female opponent, and neglected to build a barrier on stage.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:11:54pm

re: #144 Big Beautiful Door

In CNN poll, 26% said the tape controversy made them think less of Trump, and amazingly about 16% think more positively, and 58% didn’t change. Probably for many of them because, like me, they can’t have a lower opinion of him.

Yeah count me in that too. It reaffirmed what I already thought of him. Who the fuck are these people who have a more positive opinion of him though? Yikes.

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bratwurst Oct 9, 2016 • 9:12:19pm

Good to know!

Kellyanne Conway notes she’s been alone with Trump many times and he has never assaulted her.

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 10, 2016

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Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 9:12:41pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

Yeah count me in that too. It reaffirmed what I already thought of him. Who the fuck are these people who have a more positive opinion of him though? Yikes.

The deplorables.

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 9, 2016 • 9:12:45pm

re: #129 Lidane

Looking at debate stuff now. I can’t believe that Trump openly threatened to imprison Hillary. That’s bugfuck insane.

The nuts will counterwhine that Hillary has her opponents killed on the sly.
//

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StephenMeansMe Oct 9, 2016 • 9:12:52pm

re: #146 jaunte

They needed a spray bottle. Or maybe a SuperSoaker.

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KingKenrod Oct 9, 2016 • 9:13:10pm

MSNBC highlighted this awesome tweet:

I’m a Muslim, and I would like to report a crazy man threatening a woman on a stage in Missouri. #debate

— Moustafa Bayoumi (@BayoumiMoustafa) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:13:16pm

What I really liked what Hillary did is that she addressed the people asking her question individually and didn’t go off on tangents. She remembered their names too.

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Eclectic Cyborg Oct 9, 2016 • 9:13:20pm

re: #151 StephenMeansMe

They needed a spray bottle. Or maybe a SuperSoaker.

Pressure washer.

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Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 9:13:35pm

re: #148 bratwurst

Good to know!

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She’s about 20-30 years too old for Trump.

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 9:13:44pm

#BREAKING: US Navy destroyer came under attempted missile attack in intl waters off Yemen, ship not hit - US military tells @Reuters

— Sri Jegarajah (@cnbcSri) October 10, 2016

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#BREAKING: US military assesses missiles came from Houthi territory in Yemen, no injuries or damage to ship - US spokesman says @Reuters

— Sri Jegarajah (@cnbcSri) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:13:47pm

re: #148 bratwurst

Good to know!

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Well I guess that means Ted Bundy never killed any women since not every woman he was with ended up dead.

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:14:08pm

re: #148 bratwurst

Kellyanne ain’t a 10 with gorgeous titties, he has no reason to attack her.

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 9:14:57pm

This exchange is the set-up. The next week is going to be the punch line. pic.twitter.com/yppE7KHvvL

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:15:34pm

re: #159 Lidane

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Hey, Benny, you helped build this.

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 9:16:46pm

oh god pic.twitter.com/RSdpKk464S

— BuzzFeed (@BuzzFeed) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:17:39pm

re: #161 jaunte

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Every Deplorable rock your body.

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:18:10pm

Did y’all see Patton Oswalt go as far as he can into tastelessness?

“Look, a lot of Muslim immigrants are unfocused. We want to provide them with camps where they can concentrate. It’ll be a gas!” #debates

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) October 10, 2016

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Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 9:20:56pm

Lord saying tape is no big deal because ISIS cuts heads off.

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Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 9:21:11pm

talkingpointsmemo.com

I don’t think we can discuss this debate as citizens, take stock of it as a country, without noting that this is certainly the first time one candidate has openly threatened to jail the other candidate. Trump said openly that he would instruct the Justice Department to open a new investigation of Clinton and that he’d make sure it ended with her imprisonment. That’s something we expect it kleptocracies and thin democracies where electoral defeat can mean exile, imprisonment or death.

Such a ferocious claim, one that puts our whole constitutional order on its head, is not something that can be easily undone. That’s the ranting threat of a would-be strongman and dictator The threat itself is like a bell that can’t be un-rung. Through the course of what was often an ugly debate, I was thinking a lot of the destructiveness of this entire campaign, virtually all of which stems from Trump’s transgressive, norm-demolishing behavior. It’s a topic we’ll have to return to in the ed blog and one the country is going to need to wrestle with. None of this is going to disappear after November 8th. These are slashing wounds to the country’s political fabric that will at best leave tremendous scar tissue we’ll still see for decades.

Yep. This is the real story from tonight. Our political tradition has not seen this sort of thing since Cromwell and the Roundheads in the 1640’s.

This is not going to go away, and Trump is doing everything he can to strangle Hillary’s presidency in the crib. No matter what she does from here out, that Trump shadow will still be lurking around behind her with his followers…promising investigations, intimidation and violence.

This is 40% of the electorate that wants a dictator who will punish her and by extension all the rest of us who are not real Americans as far as they are concerned.

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 9, 2016 • 9:21:19pm

re: #102 EPR-radar

If i recall correctly, there’s no delusional female character in the relevant part of Downfall that could be given Kellyanne Conway’s lines.

That’s a damn shame.

Mrs. Goebbels when they are killing their children.

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 9:21:24pm

Mike Pence cancels N.J. Trump fundraiser scheduled for Monday in Ocean County https://t.co/nyzc1xvQzS

— nj.com Politics (@NJ_Politics) October 10, 2016

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3. Pence cancels a fundraiser tomorrow. https://t.co/kyRFDJA4Pv

— Philip Bump (@pbump) October 10, 2016

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NEWS: Priebus has invited RNC members to participate in 5 pm members-only conference call Mon…No set agenda…Post coming…

— Alex Isenstadt (@politicoalex) October 10, 2016

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4. 5 pm meeting tomorrow of the RNC, the group that, under Article 9, can replace a nominee on the ticket. https://t.co/OnQ3AQrFiE

— Philip Bump (@pbump) October 10, 2016

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 9:21:33pm

➡️After all is said and done, I’m glad it is a woman who might vanquish this particular dragon.

— Minnie Driver (@driverminnie) October 10, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Oct 9, 2016 • 9:22:15pm

Apparently @GovPenceIN
didn’t hear what he needed to hear from @realDonaldTrump tonight. https://t.co/3kOxctAdqb

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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majii Oct 9, 2016 • 9:22:22pm

re: #129 Lidane

“Looking at debate stuff now. I can’t believe that Trump openly threatened to imprison Hillary. That’s bugfuck insane.”

I can. He’s always seemed to think that the only voters he has to attract are those in the GOP base. He said after the first debate that he doesn’t plan to change a thing because the things he says are what the base wants to hear, so yeah, he’s bugf*cking insane.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:22:27pm

re: #164 Big Beautiful Door

Lord saying tape is no big deal because ISIS cuts heads off.

Yeah keep on telling yourself that Jeffy, I’m sure your wife loves hearing you dismissing the candidate you’re supporting bragging about sexual assault as no big deal.

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 9:22:28pm

Is the RNC going to start suing individual states where voting has started?

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piratedan Oct 9, 2016 • 9:22:35pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I love how the media focuses on this… how can she call so many people Deplorable…

it’s like they’ve never seen a “Trump That Bitch” t-shirt or ever wandered into a comments section on a local newspaper op-ed page or scanned a comments listing from Breitbart. Yeah, there are some incredibly deplorable for out there.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Oct 9, 2016 • 9:22:57pm

re: #138 Lidane

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:23:16pm

re: #165 Scottishdragon

talkingpointsmemo.com

Yep. This is the real story from tonight. Our political tradition has not seen this sort of thing since Cromwell and the Roundheads in the 1640’s.

This is not going to go away, and Trump is doing everything he can to strangle Hillary’s presidency in the crib. No matter what she does from here out, that Trump shadow will still be lurking around behind her with his followers…promising investigations, intimidation and violence.

This is 40% of the electorate that wants a dictator who will punish her and by extension all the rest of us who are not real Americans as far as they are concerned.

Yeah 40% of our country is legitimately scary as hell politically. It honestly scares me.

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Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 9:23:45pm

@KirstenPowers Men don’t talk about assaulting women, of course you probably think a touch is assault.

— Hugh Campbell (@HughScot) October 9, 2016

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I think grabbing a woman’s vagina is assault. For example. https://t.co/cNzsIhAJr2

— Kirsten Powers (@KirstenPowers) October 9, 2016

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@KirstenPowers Normally I give you a pass. Not this time. The vagina is internal. Check an anatomy book. It cannot be grabbed. #MAGA https://t.co/XOWRV3HQyw

— David Bussone (@DEBussone) October 9, 2016

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I know where my vagina is. https://t.co/T7gx3IkpOO

— Kirsten Powers (@KirstenPowers) October 9, 2016

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Extreme mansplaining. @KirstenPowers https://t.co/yXHA6R5H7i

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 10, 2016

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Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 9:24:26pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Yeah keep on telling yourself that Jeffy, I’m sure your wife loves hearing you dismissing the candidate you’re supporting bragging about sexual assault as no big deal.

Then Lewandowski says his buds talk about assaulting women in the locker room all the time.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:25:56pm

re: #173 piratedan

I love how the media focuses on this… how can she call so many people Deplorable…

it’s like they’ve never seen a “Trump That Bitch” t-shirt or ever wandered into a comments section on a local newspaper op-ed page or scanned a comments listing from Breitbart. Yeah, there are some incredibly deplorable for out there.

They really are. There are honestly a lot of fucked up people in this country and the comments I see on news articles and the shit I heard said at Trump’s rallies reenforces that belief. They are deplorable. If you talk about shooting protesters, you’re deplorable. If you call President and Mrs. Obama “ghetto trash” or other racist sht, you’re that.

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:26:22pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

How and why she has endured the Fox News culture for so long is an extremely confusing question for me.

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Lidane Oct 9, 2016 • 9:26:25pm

re: #167 jaunte

They can’t replace him. It’s too late. Ballots are printed and people are already voting.

The GOP are fucked. But this is a self-inflicted fucking because they were warned for well over a year that Trump was toxic.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:26:27pm

re: #177 Big Beautiful Door

Then Lewandowski says his buds talk about assaulting women in the locker room all the time.

Well given that Corey has assaulted a woman, I can believe that.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:27:17pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

How and why she has endured the Fox News culture for so long is an extremely confusing question for me.

Honestly how any woman does amazes me. I mean sure the pay is pretty good but that network may as well be the He-man woman haters club for how they respect women.

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Dr. Lexus Oct 9, 2016 • 9:27:25pm

He came across especially nasty. Looming, calling her a liar, saying she belonged in jail and had tremendous hate in her heart. I think Trump’s performance tonight will repel more people away from him. Hillary did an outstanding job with all the bullshit she had to wade through.

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 9:28:28pm

IN CONCLUSION: Trump vowed to jail his opponent, admitted he paid no taxes for over a decade and kneecapped his running mate.

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:29:29pm

re: #183 Dr. Lexus

He came across especially nasty. Looming, calling her a liar, saying she belonged in jail and had tremendous hate in her heart. I think Trump’s performance tonight will repel more people away from him. Hillary did an outstanding job with all the bullshit she had to wade through.

Yeah I think you’re right. I mean I can see how this performance rallied his supporters but did he bring new people aboard? I very much doubt it. As I said, I think she did a great job answering people’s questions. You could see that she was really interested in answering their questions. He on the other hand went off on tangents about things unrelated to the matter at hand.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:29:50pm

re: #184 jaunte

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Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 9:30:16pm

Trump’s stalking behavior and the threat to jail Clinton are becoming the big take away…

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:30:54pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Honestly how any woman does amazes me. I mean sure the pay is pretty good but that network may as well be the He-man woman haters club for how they respect women.

And that culture at Fox News is not going away anytime soon. Some of Roger Ailes’ top lieutenants are now upper-echelon executives to fill the space Ailes left. What I’d like to see is Megyn Kelly not renew her upcoming contract and go elsewhere. That’s an interesting media story, fer sure.

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Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 9:31:01pm

@ddale8 Yes, that was a completely invented story, circulated by the right wing fever swamp. Never happened.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 10, 2016

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Decatur Deb Oct 9, 2016 • 9:31:33pm

re: #166 GlutenFreeJesus

Mrs. Goebbels when they are killing their children.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist) Oct 9, 2016 • 9:31:36pm

And the most outrageous thing Trump said: he vowed that if he wins the election, he’ll appoint a special prosecutor to get Hillary Clinton sent to prison. For what? Who knows?

Lèse-majesté.

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Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 9:31:41pm

The most outrageous thing Trump said (out of many): he vowed if elected he’ll get Hillary Clinton sent to prison https://t.co/C5Pvckkqcc pic.twitter.com/StXpSDwwYk

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 10, 2016

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 9:32:05pm

re: #187 Scottishdragon

Trump’s stalking behavior and the threat to jail Clinton are becoming the big take away…

USA Today:

Something else really BOTHERED me about Trump tonight… he constantly LURKED and FOLLOWED Clinton around the stage https://t.co/Yj2bhBTDWt

— Emmy Rossum (@emmyrossum) October 10, 2016

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Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 9:32:49pm

re: #166 GlutenFreeJesus

Mrs. Goebbels when they are killing their children.

That scene was fucking horrifying.

I actually had to turn it off because I started crying.

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Big Beautiful Door Oct 9, 2016 • 9:33:06pm

CNN poll says Clinton won the debate with women 64-30. Bad news for Trump.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:33:32pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Interesting Times Oct 9, 2016 • 9:34:16pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

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Er…can’t help but notice how, in that screenshot, HRC has also assumed the “women in the presence of trump” defensive stance.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:34:28pm

re: #195 Big Beautiful Door

CNN poll says Clinton won the debate with women 64-30. Bad news for Trump.

Nope.

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:37:23pm

re: #194 Scottishdragon

That scene was fucking horrifying.

I actually had to turn it off because I started crying.

I feel awful for what those kids went through. It’s so interesting how children of high ranking Nazis have such different responses to their parents. Himmler’S daughter is a Neo-Nazi. Hans Frank (governor of occupied Poland), his son tours schools telling children about the horrors of Nazism and he flat out has said he hates his father.

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jaunte Oct 9, 2016 • 9:38:50pm

Seriously folks, calling #debate a wash when Trump pledged to prosecute political opponent is pretty fucking reprehensible.

— igorvolsky (@igorvolsky) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:39:45pm

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FormerDirtDart Oct 9, 2016 • 9:40:46pm

In the spin room, Nigel Farrage just compared Trump to a “silverback gorilla.” “He dominated her.”

— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) October 10, 2016

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Silverbacks live in troupes of up to 30 females.
Kill infants that aren’t theirs.
Have 1 1/2 inch penises https://t.co/U5UgQyuSnr

— Clara Jeffery (@ClaraJeffery) October 10, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Oct 9, 2016 • 9:41:19pm

.@GovPenceIN to @realDonaldTrump rn. pic.twitter.com/LsMITBM2mu

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:41:54pm

re: #202 FormerDirtDart

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danarchy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:44:15pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson Oct 9, 2016 • 9:44:32pm

Create your own meme with the LGF Meme Machine! https://t.co/yGqhznSjs0 via @Green_Footballs pic.twitter.com/miw4HBBHx0

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:45:43pm

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I forgot about that. Uh Donald, that’s literally what WL does.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 9, 2016 • 9:47:10pm

BREAKING: ‘The Atlantic’ Reports Mike Pence Seeking Removal From GOP Ticket (DETAILS) https://t.co/JN24kQ8io9 pic.twitter.com/ZazyBzqiXv

— Bipartisan Report (@Bipartisanism) October 10, 2016

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BOOM!!!! https://t.co/IMuFl2FdDk

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Oct 9, 2016 • 9:48:46pm

New poll of who won tonight’s #debate, via @Univision. pic.twitter.com/TYBwmNR7PR

— Ian Sams (@IanSams) October 10, 2016

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Woo Latinos for the win! Amo a mi comunidad. https://t.co/aHPqPzo2FI

— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) October 10, 2016

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:49:47pm

re: #209 FormerDirtDart

Thank you for posting this. That made me genuinely LOL.

:-D

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:51:45pm

re: #209 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior Oct 9, 2016 • 9:53:30pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

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If that’s true, there goes any positive spin for Trump.

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Poligeek Oct 9, 2016 • 9:53:37pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

Not saying I doubt it, but not really seeing it much of anywhere else, at the moment.

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danarchy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:55:08pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

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clickbait, the whole thing is based on one tweet from an atlantic reporter who tweeted hours ago that rumors were flying on twitter.

He later posted this:

Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we #MAGA.

— Mike Pence (@mike_pence) October 10, 2016

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Well…the tone of this tweet certainly sounds as if Gov Pence is staying on the ticket. What do your sources say @funder ? #debate https://t.co/GH47eFw7Hr

— Steve Clemons (@SCClemons) October 10, 2016

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Doesn’t seem there were any sources besides what we already saw on twitter.

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Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 9:57:00pm

The Atlantic:

Donald Trump’s Disastrous Debate
The Republican nominee needed to turn around his campaign. Instead, he threatened to jail his opponent.

Throughout his presidential race, Donald Trump has been the NASCAR candidate: The press and voters seem riveted by his campaign because there’s no telling when there might be a dramatic crash.

For anyone tuning in for that reason, Sunday night’s second presidential debate was just the ticket: a fiery, multi-car pileup. Trump meandered around the stage restlessly, delivered long strings of misleading statements, feuded with the moderators, and promised to prosecute a political rival if he won the race. He openly slapped down his running mate, Mike Pence, over Syria policy, saying, “He and I haven’t spoken and I disagree.” In perhaps the most surreal moment of a surreal evening, moderator Anderson Cooper had to tell a major-party nominee for president, “You bragged that you had sexually assaulted women. Do you understand that?”

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Interesting Times Oct 9, 2016 • 9:57:30pm

re: #214 danarchy

clickbait, the whole thing is based on one tweet from an atlantic reporter who tweeted hours ago that rumors were flying on twitter.
…
Doesn’t seem there were any sources besides what we already saw on twitter.

Then again, there’s also this:

Pence cancels Monday fundraiser: https://t.co/fsm2ih8zEh pic.twitter.com/vyMKiIxDxC

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) October 10, 2016

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…so I’m really not sure what to believe at this point.

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 9:58:40pm

re: #216 Interesting Times

“It’s 4D chess from a superior human.”

-The Dilbert Guy, probably

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Scottishdragon Oct 9, 2016 • 10:01:36pm

Tired. See you all tomorrow.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Oct 9, 2016 • 10:06:13pm

this is weird, watching MSNBC right now and seeing this “Prop 52 means” graphic over everything and nothing else…

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meteor Oct 9, 2016 • 10:11:33pm

Was anybody else hoping a fight would break out?

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Ziggy_TARDIS Oct 9, 2016 • 10:12:01pm

My Best Friend said something critical about Clinton (She still sees her as corrupt), so I lashed out at her.

She is now angry at me, and justifiably so.

When it comes to politics, I tend to go for the throat when talking to people on any opposing sides, even on the same party.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Oct 9, 2016 • 10:12:43pm

re: #221 Ziggy_TARDIS

I have cut family and friends off because of politics, so I do take politics seriously.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 9, 2016 • 10:13:18pm

I knew Trump had trouble acting appropriately in public but damn. pic.twitter.com/8BTeN7bnbi

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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Interesting Times Oct 9, 2016 • 10:17:22pm

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

At least Clint Eastwood only yelled at the empty chair…

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Joe Bacon Oct 9, 2016 • 10:20:39pm

Reading e-mails from friends in Europe. They can all be summarized as…

Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot!

British friends were scared when they saw Farange coaching Trump.

French friends said that LePen never came close to Trump

Canadian friends are angry about Trump lying about their healthcare

Italian Friends pleaded with me to tell Americans to NOT vote for a Berlusconi.

Israeli friends fear Trump unleashing Booby Nincompoopo!

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nickzi Oct 9, 2016 • 10:21:19pm

I wonder whether the most under-explored story of this election is the divergence between the media’s desperate attempts to sell horse-race reporting and the voters’ increasing disinterest in that sort of fakery. It seems to me that in the age of social media and widespread availability and circulation of actual footage online the media just can’t manufacture narratives the way they used to.

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freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 10:23:18pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

I’ll believe it when I see it.

Right now, anything can be rumored. The air is saturated with wingnut-molecules just waiting to be precipitated by any little disturbance.

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nickzi Oct 9, 2016 • 10:24:05pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

I wonder whether the terms of Pence’s Trumpectomy will require him to hold a funeral for his aborted vice presidency.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 9, 2016 • 10:27:25pm

Well, I’m sorry I missed the event live. I was teaching, and could not get a live feed to work to peek at it during the morning break time. Instead, I peeked at LGF to get the gist of it. I understand Hillary was as cool as a cucumber while Trump paced back and forth like a caged animal. Also, he threatened to throw her in jail if he were elected.

Not much has changed, I reckon.

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nickzi Oct 9, 2016 • 10:28:12pm

re: #229 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Believe me, you’ve probably gained some years of life by not watching that appalling spectacle.

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freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 10:28:27pm

Pretty much the usual headlines and stories:

In Debate, a Reeling Donald Trump Regains His Footing

GOP candidate gets back on his feet following setbacks from videotape scandal and Republican backlash

Well, if WSJ insists.

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majii Oct 9, 2016 • 10:30:07pm

re: #226 nickzi

“…the media just can’t manufacture narratives the way they used to.”

I still don’t think it’s occurred to network bosses that if they were to return to fact-based reporting, their ratings might increase. I remember watching Walter Cronkite on the evening news every night, and the man reported the facts. Today the emphasis is on ratings and “creating” a narrative rather than on dispensing facts. I used to subscribe to the local paper, but I stopped years ago because I could see the laziness in the paper’s reporting. Its reporters did very little to deliver accurate information to the community. Also, I don’t want to read a series of right-wing columns in a newspaper everyday, columns filled with lies, and ones where no one on staff has bothered to fact-check them. I became so frustrated with TV “news” that I stopped watching it almost 10 years ago. I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by reading/listening to sub-par reporting based on a “both sides do it” model.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist) Oct 9, 2016 • 10:30:43pm

re: #164 Big Beautiful Door

Lord saying tape is no big deal because ISIS cuts heads off.

Well I’m definitely not gonna vote for this ISIS person now.

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Blind Frog Belly White Oct 9, 2016 • 10:30:52pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, no. Turns out that Pence’s cancelling the event was about a schedule problem. He’s still in it.

We’ll see what happens when the inevitable further shoes drop.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 9, 2016 • 10:33:52pm

Birds!

Well, one bird. Not sure if it checked to see if it was in the correct gender-specific restroom, though.

Instagram

Smart bird.

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 10:34:13pm

Fer real …

I’m so glad I keep politics and government to a minimum on my Facebook. The shit I’m seeing over there? It’s crazy … and oddly revealing.

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 10, 2016

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Ace-o-aces Oct 9, 2016 • 10:36:21pm

#debate pic.twitter.com/HjLiSm0Q1R

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist) Oct 9, 2016 • 10:36:29pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

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—-Kellyann Conway in 12 hours, probably

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nickzi Oct 9, 2016 • 10:36:30pm

re: #235 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I can see the Trumpkins now demanding the removal of all IBIS supporters from America’s bathrooms. They need their safe spaces.

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 10:36:52pm

Yeah, those faces just scream “great night!”

We are incredibly proud of @realDonaldTrump! What a great night for #TeamTrump! #MakeAmericaGreatAgain 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/cK5tqWEQ1c

— Eric Trump (@EricTrump) October 10, 2016

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 9, 2016 • 10:37:18pm

Honestly, I’m disappointed in Hillary tonight. There were so many chances to jab at him for his comments tonight. She missed them.

Emails marked with a C. Yeah Donny. Confidential, not classified. How about those special marks you put on African American applicants for rentals of your properties?

So many other chances missed.

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freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 10:40:08pm

re: #241 GlutenFreeJesus

Yes, she could have been sharper of wit, a bit more on top of things.

But I suppose she was disciplining herself to stay on plan. She’ trying to sell herself as the only serious and viable candidate - see all those newspaper endorsements from previously hostile-to-Democrats editorial boards.

The other problem is that of the inherent unequal rules - a woman pointing out errors in a man will be called “nagging”.

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fern01 Oct 9, 2016 • 10:46:23pm

re: #241 GlutenFreeJesus

Honestly, I’m disappointed in Hillary tonight. There were so many chances to jab at him for his comments tonight. She missed them.

Emails marked with a C. Yeah Donny. Confidential, not classified. How about those special marks you put on African American applicants for rentals of your properties?

So many other chances missed.

Dems always think their people must be perfect. She had that yam towering over her, stalking her around the stage, attempting to intimidate her and then calling her a murderer & vowing to get her arrested, not to mention that so special press call before the debate even started. She should have called the SS on stage to deal with him since the moderators let him do it.

She did good - easy from an armchair in front of the TV to pick up what she missed - she picked up on enough and people could easily see who was the intelligent adult on the stage.

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Tigger2 Oct 9, 2016 • 10:48:45pm

re: #241 GlutenFreeJesus

Honestly, I’m disappointed in Hillary tonight. There were so many chances to jab at him for his comments tonight. She missed them.

Emails marked with a C. Yeah Donny. Confidential, not classified. How about those special marks you put on African American applicants for rentals of your properties?

So many other chances missed.

I’m thinking one or 2 new things are going to drop in the next week or so before the next debate. i don’t mind it getting dragged out some so it’s affect can help drive down, down ballot Republicans some more.

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nickzi Oct 9, 2016 • 10:49:03pm

re: #241 GlutenFreeJesus

You know, Clinton kept her cool in the face of one of the most disgusting and deranged creatures in the whole GOP menagerie, despite being stalked by him and having to listen to a barrage of innuendo, lies and threats. That’s an impressive performance that deserves respect, not armchair quarterbacking from a safe distance.

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 10:49:45pm

@RazorLou pic.twitter.com/SNERHi8vao

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 9, 2016 • 10:52:23pm

re: #243 fern01

Uh. No not perfect. Nobody is. Just calling this like I see it. I feel she clearly won. But damn. Put the last nail in his campaign’s coffin already.

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Jenner7 Oct 9, 2016 • 10:55:40pm

TUNE INTO MSNBC… will discuss story right after it posts

— Robert Costa (@costareports) October 10, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 9, 2016 • 10:56:51pm

re: #239 nickzi

I can see the Trumpkins now demanding the removal of all IBIS supporters from America’s bathrooms. They need their safe spaces.

Time to introduce legislation to force species-specific restrooms.

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Jenner7 Oct 9, 2016 • 10:57:44pm

SCOOP: Backstage drama! Trump camp has intense clash w/ CPD over gambit… wants CPD co-chair to go https://t.co/ZG3xY0uYLo

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Jenner7 Oct 9, 2016 • 10:58:19pm

Said Trump plan was to stage a confrontation between the 4 women and Bill Clinton! Just insanity!!

— Armando (@armandodkos) October 10, 2016

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Bannon and Rudy had accusers ready to sit in family box, confront Bill directly at start https://t.co/ZG3xY0uYLo

— Robert Costa (@costareports) October 10, 2016

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holy shit

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 10:59:19pm

POST-DEBATE ANALYSIS pic.twitter.com/MyTCqY6ZPV

— Matt Oswalt (@MattOswaltVA) October 10, 2016

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist) Oct 9, 2016 • 11:02:41pm

re: #247 GlutenFreeJesus

Uh. No not perfect. Nobody is. Just calling this like I see it. I feel she clearly won. But damn. Put the last nail in his campaign’s coffin already.

I’m pretty sure she was doing the “when they go low, we go high” thing. She was there to answer questions from voters, not get into a mud-wrestling match with a pig, and that’s what she did.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 9, 2016 • 11:03:09pm

Donald Trump is a clanking steaming funeral rocket, packed tight with weapons grade sleaze and fury and he is aimed right down the maw of the GOP — First Dog on the Moon, The Guardian

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 9, 2016 • 11:05:10pm

re: #253 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

She would have stayed on the higher road too. She wouldn’t have to make up anything out of thin air.

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fern01 Oct 9, 2016 • 11:05:30pm

re: #247 GlutenFreeJesus

Uh. No not perfect. Nobody is. Just calling this like I see it. I feel she clearly won. But damn. Put the last nail in his campaign’s coffin already.

I truly believe the last nail in Trump will be when he loses the vote. Nothing anyone says will stop him at this stage. If it can be drawn out, hopefully more and more republicans will come down with him.

There is supposed to be a tele meeting (I think) of house republicans tomorrow - will be interesting to see the outcome of that event. Ryan is in no mans land whatever he does.

Never thought I’d recommend Schmidt - listen to his clip from meet the press - doesn’t matter what happened at the debate - other than Mark Halperin will view it as the big turnaround on Morning Joke

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The Ghost of a Flea Oct 9, 2016 • 11:08:00pm

My detailed analysis of this debate.

For further insight, consult my esteemed colleague, Chuck Tingle:

realizing that debate has already been lost, horrific pile of vicious crustaceans DON TRUMP scanning the crowd for a new body to possess

— Chuck Tingle (@ChuckTingle) October 10, 2016

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Jenner7 Oct 9, 2016 • 11:25:18pm

G’night, way past my bedtime. What a shit show. The Trump Family are a basket of deplorables.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 9, 2016 • 11:30:57pm

re: #256 fern01

I truly believe the last nail in Trump will be when he loses the vote. Nothing anyone says will stop him at this stage. If it can be drawn out, hopefully more and more republicans will come down with him.

This.

We are the last nail in the campaign. The only one that will actually matter.

Get out and vote. Donate. Volunteer.

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freetoken Oct 9, 2016 • 11:32:48pm

The Drumpfskindanhangers are not backing down. They believe Drumpfskind “won”. They are celebrating his threat to jail his opponent.

They want a strong man.

They really want a strong man.

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Bass Reeves Oct 9, 2016 • 11:38:47pm

re: #241 GlutenFreeJesus

Honestly, I’m disappointed in Hillary tonight. There were so many chances to jab at him for his comments tonight. She missed them.

Emails marked with a C. Yeah Donny. Confidential, not classified. How about those special marks you put on African American applicants for rentals of your properties?

So many other chances missed.

So, saying confidential, not classified would have hurt her, reinforcing stuff *was* classified. Going after the African American applicants would have been seen as being too aggressive and attacking solely to deflect attention.

She didn’t miss any chances, she put him on the back foot and spent her attention trying to connect with the voters. She didn’t have to smash him, she let him smash himself. Like others have said, she can’t put the final nail in his coffin, the voters have to. What she is doing is having him hold that nail and line it up and hold out the hammer to the voters.

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Tigger2 Oct 9, 2016 • 11:39:07pm

re: #260 freetoken

The Drumpfskindanhangers are not backing down. They believe Drumpfskind “won”. They are celebrating his threat to jail his opponent.

They want a strong man.

They really want a strong man.

To bad they are backing a wimp.

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Blind Frog Belly White Oct 9, 2016 • 11:42:47pm

re: #251 Jenner7

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Someone was saying this debate was the Breitbart’s wet dream. Going back to 2012, they were looking for the candidate that would finally face Obama with all the stories they all believe implicitly, and Obama would just crumble. That’s what the whole exchange that led to ‘Please proceed, Governor” was about. That was really what they have been dreaming about for years. It’s one of the things they loved about Trump, the way he dominated the other candidates at the GOP Primary debates. They knew he’d be the guy who’d go there, who’d finally destroy The Evil One, whether it was Obama, or Clinton.

This time, they got ALMOST everything they wanted. They wanted to psych her out, embarrass Bill, get her to scream, cry, or otherwise fuck up badly. This was their moment, the payoff, their vindication. Trump threw the entire comments section at her.

She didn’t flinch. She didn’t quail. She didn’t even hiccup. She didn’t let his lurking phase her.

Of course she didn’t. She, like all women, has been dealing with that shit all her life.

It reminds me of how much easier it is for lefthanded fencers to do well with worse technique than righties. Righties face other righties at least 9/10 of the time, and lefties only 1/10 or less. Your usual attacks don’t work, their attacks come from a different direction, your target area is exposed to them in ways it isn’t exposed to Righties.

But Lefties face Righties 9/10 times. Their usual attacks work, their opponent’ attacks come from exactly where they’re used to etc. They know how to handle it.

That’s Hillary facing Trump. He only knows how to dominate other men. He doesn’t know how to dominate a woman whom he doesn’t already control in some way.

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teleskiguy Oct 9, 2016 • 11:50:55pm

#NowPlaying Frank Zappa > The Man From Utopia > We Are Not Alone https://t.co/KifRS4gVoA

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 10, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Oct 10, 2016 • 12:00:48am

SCOOP: Paul Ryan discused revoking his endorsement of Donald Trump with his inner circle https://t.co/1AzWyzcuhp

— Blake Hounshell (@blakehounshell) October 10, 2016

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Paul Ryan will learn that he’s unendorsed Trump via a supercomputer he’s paid a team of otters to program all relevant variables into. https://t.co/DZugbAGbut

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Oct 10, 2016 • 12:24:05am

This idiot.

Chris Matthews first question to Giuliana was “does Hillary have a stamina problem?” pic.twitter.com/ItgXNFZmqy

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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She had to keep sitting down during #debate #Hilary is clearly not physically fit for Office of the Presidency. Clearly not @HardballChris https://t.co/o8BvZZ3ol2

— DeplorableTrumpGal (@reagangalpal) October 10, 2016

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LastYearsMan Oct 10, 2016 • 12:29:26am

Hah. Tiffany apparently reacted to her dad’s attempted kiss like Ted Cruz’s daughter.

Tiffany Trump skillfully pulls away from her dad’s kiss #debate pic.twitter.com/aFDvMCMElu

— BryFun (@BryFun1) October 10, 2016

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 12:42:51am

No surprise - the Australian ideological kin of Drumpfskind trying to cover for him:

Pauline Hanson: Trump boasting no worse than what a lot of men say

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Blind Frog Belly White Oct 10, 2016 • 12:47:41am

This is kind of what I mean. I snagged this from my old stomping grounds, the Bowsite.

So, they finally got someone who’d go there. And all it cost them was the Republican Party. They just don’t grasp how little anyone but them actually cares.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 12:49:47am

Thailand’s king is slipping away, according to the BBC.

If I said that while in Thailand, I’d be swiftly arrested and imprisoned.

bbc.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 12:57:26am

Trump has spawned a new hashtag #Muslimsreportstuff. Muslims have hijacked it.

Samples:

You don’t want to know what we actually put in hummus. #MuslimsReportStuff

— Reza Aslan (@rezaaslan) October 10, 2016

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#MuslimsReportStuff Gremlins 2 is the rare sequel that completely deconstructs the franchise. For my money, it’s better than the first.

— Kumail Nanjiani (@kumailn) October 10, 2016

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#MuslimsReportStuff every year I steal the dark chocolate from my children’s trick or treat loot #debate

— Nazli Hardy (@Nazlinspired) October 10, 2016

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I think my sister drank orange juice straight out of the carton, will continue to investigate #MuslimsReportStuff

— basith (@MrCommonCents) October 10, 2016

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I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. #MuslimsReportStuff

— Josh Shahryar (@JShahryar) October 10, 2016

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Hi, I’m Muslim & want 2 report a man in St. Louis butchering English by stringing adjectives & passing them as sentences #MuslimsReportStuff

— Muna Ali (@munamali) October 10, 2016

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There are some that are more political, or anti-Israel, but for the most part, they’re irreverent.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 1:01:03am

Meanwhile, on Mars, conditions are hazy.

#CuriosityRover Sees Stunning Blue-Tinted Sunset on #Mars https://t.co/JccSx3BvjN pic.twitter.com/Wl6H1ko4nr

— space.com (@SPACEdotcom) October 10, 2016

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 1:23:00am

Clearly, but still:

Banana Republican

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 1:42:41am

re: #273 freetoken

Trump would be the American equivalent of a petty dictator. I could seriously imagine him persuading a complacent Congress to grant him emergency powers over some half-imagined crisis. Or at the very least abusing his executive privilege to the greatest extent in the history of the republic.

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Kragar Oct 10, 2016 • 1:55:00am

.@meetthepress just destroyed Rudy Giuliani and @realdonaldtrump pic.twitter.com/XSeuEHrNao

— Michael Sweeney (@mikesweeney) October 9, 2016

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BigPapa Oct 10, 2016 • 2:01:51am

I’m 30 minutes into the debate. Trump is doing what we all predicted: going lower and lower.

I guess I should be surprised that he said he’d put her in jail, but I’m not surprised. Comparisons to fascists and dictators are entirely appropriate.

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 2:04:52am

This ought to be a lesson to all the American evangelicals who are on the Drumpfskind train: once a populist strongman feeds the blood-lust of the masses, your religion won’t matter so much:

Once-powerful Philippines Church divided, subdued over drug killings

[…]

Opposing the drug war “in some locations becomes a dangerous job”, said Father Luciano Felloni, a priest in a northern district of the capital, Manila. At least 30 people, including a child and a pregnant woman, have been killed in his ‘barangay’, or neighborhood, where he is setting up community-based rehabilitation for drug users.

“There is a lot of fear because the way people have been killed is vigilante-style so anyone could become a target … There is no way of protecting yourself.”

Another priest, who like several others asked for anonymity because of possible reprisals, said it was risky to question the killings openly. Dozens of drug addicts and pushers are being killed every day, but anyone who criticizes Duterte’s campaign could suffer a similar fate, he said.

[…]

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BigPapa Oct 10, 2016 • 2:23:38am

What did he even mean about his taxes and the post office? I doubt anybody knew what he was talking about.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 2:25:18am

re: #278 BigPapa

What did he even mean about his taxes and the post office? I doubt anybody knew what he was talking about.

Maybe he was referring to the GPO building in Washington he bought and turned into a hotel.

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 2:29:37am

Holy crap, I am glad I didn’t watch that Dumpster fire. My liver wouldn’t have survived, and I am out of popcorn.

I think I got a better summation by reading the commentary here at Little Green Footballs and Wonkette.

Even over at the BBC they were trying the “magic balance fairy” argument and how Mr. Trump did so much better than expected, apparently because he didn’t try to set fire to the stage or something.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 2:33:30am

re: #280 Anymouse

Holy crap, I am glad I didn’t watch that Dumpster fire. My liver wouldn’t have survived, and I am out of popcorn.

I think I got a better summation by reading the commentary here at Little Green Footballs and Wonkette.

Even over at the BBC they were trying the “magic balance fairy” argument and how Mr. Trump did so much better than expected, apparently because he didn’t try to set fire to the stage or something.

While he did not unzip his fly, he was standing behind a chair in a most peculiar way.
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goddamnedfrank Oct 10, 2016 • 2:35:46am

It’s just been this steady stream of horrible statements, each one usually more horrible than the next degrading expectations along the way.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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He sniffed like a coke fiend, physically stalked his opponent and promised to use the office of President to persecute her if elected.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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He was agitated, combative, rambled, didn’t address the questions, but we’re supposed to be impressed he didn’t literally fling his shit.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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Like, how the fuck does this end on election night? DOES it even end then? I doubt he has it in him to concede w/out fomenting violence.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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He feeds them their own excreted racism & bigotry in exchange for the adulation and applause his narcissistic personality disorder requires.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 2:45:31am

Sam Wang over at Princeton’s Histogram of thousands of runs of election scenarios has everything on the Clinton side of the ledger.

election.princeton.edu

We’ll have to see what happens after analysis of the debate.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 10, 2016 • 2:56:58am

re: #283 Anymouse

Sam Wang over at Princeton’s Histogram of thousands of runs of election scenarios has everything on the Clinton side of the ledger.

election.princeton.edu

We’ll have to see what happens after analysis of the debate.

We won’t see real debate effect movement until Friday, but the effects of the hot mic tape should really be rolling by Tuesday. Things are moving fast, between the NYT tax release, Eichenwald’s & Fahrenthold’s reporting on the Foundation and Trump’s obsessive string of attacks on Machado it’s getting hard to pin event to effect now. The important thing is that it’s pretty much all bad for Trump.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 3:09:55am

So, in my observation, when people say “Trump performed better than expected” what they’re really saying is that Trump didn’t whip out his pecker and wave it around in front of a live TV audience of millions.

That’s a low bar indeed.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 10, 2016 • 3:14:44am

Trump ally Roger Stone used PAC money to bankroll Sunday’s Clinton-accusers: report https://t.co/PfkXQXHNKN pic.twitter.com/0iDU5omPVO

— Raw Story (@RawStory) October 10, 2016

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So we seem to have both Breitbart & Stone identified as having coordinated this stunt with Bannon in flagrant violation of FEC regulations. https://t.co/wgxxR3MnVi

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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Dave In Austin Oct 10, 2016 • 3:32:08am

Ha!…..

Man, this new version of “Islands in the Stream” SUCKS pic.twitter.com/59tqqNfZA1

— Kevin Gannon (@TheTattooedProf) October 10, 2016

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 3:34:08am

e: #286 goddamnedfrank

So we seem to have both Breitbart & Stone identified as having coordinated this stunt with Bannon in flagrant violation of FEC regulations.

Trump ally Roger Stone used PAC money to bankroll Sunday’s Clinton-accusers: report https://t.co/PfkXQXHNKN pic.twitter.com/0iDU5omPVO

— Raw Story (@RawStory) October 10, 2016

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As well as the Rage Furby claiming to have raised the funds for Ms Shelton’s trip via crowdsourcing. Someone is getting scammed.

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fern01 Oct 10, 2016 • 3:40:49am

re: #139 Shiplord Kirel

The Democrats should have a guy in a gorilla suit at the next debate. He can get up each time tRump does.

I think she should have requested SS security on the stage. This is how Trump treats all women - he stalks them and tries to force himself on them.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 3:43:44am

re: #289 fern01

I think she should have requested SS security on the stage. This is how Trump treats all women - he stalks them and tries to force himself on them.

I’m pretty sure her SS detail was prepared for any eventuality. I’m surprised Trump didn’t throw a chair or two.

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 3:48:04am

re: #286 goddamnedfrank

Trump Ally Paid Sexual Assault Victim Critical of Clinton

abcnews.go.com

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Rocky-in-Connecticut Oct 10, 2016 • 3:51:25am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

I think you mean Generalissimo

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 3:53:19am

re: #291 Decatur Deb

Trump Ally Paid Sexual Assault Victim Critical of Clinton

abcnews.go.com

Chuck gets his name in print again. He’ll be emboldened once again.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 3:55:13am

re: #291 Decatur Deb

Trump Ally Paid Sexual Assault Victim Critical of Clinton

abcnews.go.com

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the RNC conference call later today. Rumor is they’re gonna talk about pulling funding for Trump’s presidential campaign and re-directing it to try to save the down-ballot races, particularly the Senate. I wonder if they’d announce something like that directly or through “anonymous” backchannels.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 4:00:14am

re: #294 Dr Lizardo

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the RNC conference call later today. Rumor is they’re gonna talk about pulling funding for Trump’s presidential campaign and re-directing it to try to save the down-ballot races, particularly the Senate. I wonder if they’d announce something like that directly or through “anonymous” backchannels.

Trump’s dirty tricks can’t be going over well among the GOP leadership. He’s dragging the party down into the sewer.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 4:02:55am

re: #295 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump’s dirty tricks can’t be going over well among the GOP leadership. He’s dragging the party down into the sewer.

Yes he certainly is. The decision the RNC’s going to have to make is do they go down with the ship or try to save themselves, even if that means basically giving Hillary 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

They’re really in a no-win scenario; there are no good outcomes here for them and I think they’ve now woken up to that fact.

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 4:03:01am

re: #177 Big Beautiful Door

Then Lewandowski says his buds talk about assaulting women in the locker room all the time.

Which comes as a shock to no one at all.

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 4:07:23am

re: #297 MsJ

Which comes as a shock to no one at all.

a) Wasn’t a locker room
b) I never was with anyone that talked like Billy Bush and Donald Trump, even in the US Navy at sea.
c) If I had heard something like that, I would be all over that person.

What sort of misogynistic creeps are running the Republican Party?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 4:11:06am

re: #296 Dr Lizardo

Yes he certainly is. The decision the RNC’s going to have to make is do they go down with the ship or try to save themselves, even if that means basically giving Hillary 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

They’re really in a no-win scenario; there are no good outcomes here for them and I think they’ve now woken up to that fact.

The best they can hope for is salvaging the Senate races to keep a majority there. Clinton’s the next president, no matter what they try now. If they try to run Pence as Trump’s replacement, Trump’s supporters won’t go along with it. Write-in candidates are doomed to failure — too much trouble for most people and counting ballots would take ages.

I don’t feel especially sorry for the GOP right now. But they probably won’t learn from their mistakes this time around.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 4:13:49am

re: #298 Anymouse

a) Wasn’t a locker room
b) I never was with anyone that talked like Billy Bush and Donald Trump, even in the US Navy at sea.
c) If I had heard something like that, I would be all over that person.

What sort of misogynistic creeps are running the Republican Party?

They are choosing to hear only the words, and ignoring the actions the words describe. Some are even trying to pin the blame on the sexual revolution, which as we all know was caused by librulz to undermine the very fabric of society.

The idea that their hero might be damaged goods is beyond their ken.

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 4:14:51am

re: #292 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I think you mean Generalissimo

The Generalissimo is still dead.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 4:19:46am

This is just as good now as it was then. #debate pic.twitter.com/LAryB3tquW

— Planned Parenthood (@PPIAction) October 10, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 4:19:59am

re: #301 Decatur Deb

The Generalissimo is still dead.

Which was a running joke on SNL in the ’70s.

El Generalisimo Francisco Franco Todavía esta Muerto

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 4:22:42am

re: #285 Dr Lizardo

So, in my observation, when people say “Trump performed better than expected” what they’re really saying is that Trump didn’t whip out his pecker and wave it around in front of a live TV audience of millions.

That’s a low bar indeed.

Which is about it isn’t it?

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 4:23:54am

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 4:27:42am

I haven’t heard any comments on how he went at it with Rosie O’Donnell. IIRC, all he did was talk about her looks.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 4:31:20am

re: #304 Birth Control Works

Which is about it isn’t it?

Maybe he’s saving that stunt for the third debate.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 4:33:37am

<blockquote>”This is a story that’s really about social class,” I’ll say. But that sense of community seems no longer available to my white students. As one explained in response: “You’re supposed to be able to make yourself rich, and if you can’t, it’s your own fault.”

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 4:34:08am

re: #307 Dr Lizardo

Maybe he’s saving that stunt for the third debate.

He seems so frustrated that he isn’t winning just because he is The Donald.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 4:35:09am

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

This idiot.

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Had to keep sitting down —she was wearing spike heels.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 4:35:28am

bbl

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 4:37:27am

re: #309 Birth Control Works

He seems so frustrated that he isn’t winning just because he is The Donald.

He has an overweening sense of absolute entitlement, even more so than Romney, and that’s saying something.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 4:45:33am

re: #312 Dr Lizardo

He has an overweening sense of absolute entitlement, even more so than Romney, and that’s saying something.

Trump is a guy who’s always gotten his way, because he can bamboozle or bluster his way out of any situation. Take Atlantic City, for example. But his style isn’t working in politics, and he’s lost.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 4:48:45am

re: #313 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump is a guy who’s always gotten his way, because he can bamboozle or bluster his way out of any situation. Take Atlantic City, for example. But his style isn’t working in politics, and he’s lost.

The world of politics is very different than the world of business. What works in one doesn’t always work in the other as Trump is finding out to his dismay.

Even the best bullshit artist can’t bullshit everybody.

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 5:00:09am

re: #314 Dr Lizardo

The world of politics is very different than the world of business. What works in one doesn’t always work in the other as Trump is finding out to his dismay.

Even the best bullshit artist can’t bullshit everybody.

That’s why business people make bad politicians.

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 5:04:38am

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

Ladies, if you must know, this is what “locker room banter” is really like.

Conspiracy theorists, this is also what a typical evening in a Masonic Hall looks like.

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 5:05:24am

re: #314 Dr Lizardo

The world of politics is very different than the world of business. What works in one doesn’t always work in the other as Trump is finding out to his dismay.

Even the best bullshit artist can’t bullshit everybody.

He only needs to effectively bullshit 51% of the citizens who bother to turn out.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:06:12am

re: #316 De Kolta Chair

Conspiracy theorists, this is also what a typical evening in a Masonic Hall looks like.

Yeah, contrary to popular conspiracy belief, the evening is not spent singing “We Do”.

The Simpsons: Stonecutters Song “We Do”

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goddamnedfrank Oct 10, 2016 • 5:08:35am

Your debate lookups @MerriamWebster, in order:
lepo-
bigly
demogogic
demagogue
locker-room
bipartisan
Aleppo
socialism
petulant
debate

— Kory Stamper (@KoryStamper) October 10, 2016

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Note that more people are looking up ‘lepo-’ (as in, “what’s a lepo?”) than ‘Aleppo’. #debate https://t.co/SvAqKWp3bz

— Merriam-Webster (@MerriamWebster) October 10, 2016

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Sweet Jesus this is just depressing af. https://t.co/zCP68pCLkr

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:09:59am

re: #317 Decatur Deb

He only needs to effectively bullshit 51% of the citizens who bother to turn out.

I still think the Electoral College is going to deny him victory; I don’t think he has the numbers in the states that matter. And if that happens, you just watch these so-called “Constitutional Conservatives” scream bloody murder and whine endlessly about how unfair it is.

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 5:15:28am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

I still think the Electoral College is going to deny him victory; I don’t think he has the numbers in the states that matter. And if that happens, you just watch these so-called “Constitutional Conservatives” scream bloody murder and whine endlessly about how unfair it is.

The final decision has to be so overwhelming that squads of these assholes aren’t tempted to go out and get themselves shot.

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 5:16:58am

re: #298 Anymouse

What sort of ~~misogynistic~~ creeps are running the Republican Party?

They are way past simply being misogynistic. They are creepy on every possible level.

They are terrifying. If someone doesn’t find these people completely repellant, there is something wrong with them.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:16:58am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

I still think the Electoral College is going to deny him victory; I don’t think he has the numbers in the states that matter. And if that happens, you just watch these so-called “Constitutional Conservatives” scream bloody murder and whine endlessly about how unfair it is.

I forgot to add, President Obama proved in 2012 that the vast bulk of the Deep South is really no longer necessary to win the White House; all that really matters is Florida. That seems to be the one Southern state you have to win in order to become POTUS.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:18:45am

conway:

“I’m with the campaign till the bitter end,” Conway responded. “Unless…”

“It’s unless someone in my household needs me,” she said by way of explanation

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 5:18:56am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

I forgot to add, President Obama proved in 2012 that the vast bulk of the Deep South is really no longer necessary to win the White House; all that really matters is Florida. That seems to be the one Southern state you have to win in order to become POTUS.

There is a saying: “South Florida is the North, North Florida is the South.” We’re working in N. FL.

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 5:21:51am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

Clinton doesn’t need Florida. Drumpfskind does.

Clinton’s “firewall” is PA. She leads in the polls there by a comfortable margin.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 5:21:56am

One image sums up the darkest debate in U.S. history. pic.twitter.com/vtVFTt4VxD

— Right Wing Talk (@RWTQuotes) October 10, 2016

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 5:24:28am

re: #326 freetoken

Clinton doesn’t need Florida. Drumpfskind does.

Clinton’s “firewall” is PA. She leads in the polls there by a comfortable margin.

Her chances are 4 out of 5. Great odds for Lotto, lousy odds for Russian Roulette.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:24:55am

from electoral-vote.com

Electoral College 2016 Including States Where the Candidates are Statistically Tied

2012:

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 5:25:24am

Posted by former RNC Chair Michael Steele:

GOP at this moment. #debate pic.twitter.com/nD0gc29sWj

— Michael Steele (@MichaelSteele) October 10, 2016

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makeitstop Oct 10, 2016 • 5:25:26am

re: #251 Jenner7

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I’d been saying that was the plan since Trump used the phrase ‘confront her accusers’ on Friday. I fucking knew they were going to try this.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 10, 2016 • 5:26:11am

Rasmussen has Hillary +7 at 45 to 38, a six point shift in her favor since Friday. RASMUSSEN! https://t.co/4fcOKNuy0x

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 5:26:29am

re: #327 Dr. Matt

#debate pic.twitter.com/EDa2lJF2qy

— jere👻my (@jere7my) October 10, 2016

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Rocky-in-Connecticut Oct 10, 2016 • 5:26:32am

re: #277 freetoken

This ought to be a lesson to all the American evangelicals who are on the Drumpfskind train: once a populist strongman feeds the blood-lust of the masses, your religion won’t matter so much:

Once-powerful Philippines Church divided, subdued over drug killings

For most, their “religion” never mattered anyway. It has always been more important to adhere to traditional power structures in America, white entitlement, good ol’ boy network, golf buddy business meetings, local power over national power, naked racism, and ownership/domination of women and girls. Their “religion” has been engineered over the past 40 years and is based on these principles.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:27:06am

i think politicalwire.com is probably right

He’s now moved on to Plan B.

Trump’s pivot — starting with his “apology” video late Friday night — was to go full Breitbart. He’s now speaking only to the audience for a speculated media venture. Its not a mistake that his top advisers are former Fox News chief Roger Ailes and Breitbart’s Stephen Bannon.

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jaunte Oct 10, 2016 • 5:28:11am

He’s doing very strange things to a chair. #MuslimsReportStuff https://t.co/iyAPTFIfoR

— Cornelia (@PaladinCornelia) October 10, 2016

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:29:51am

re: #335 dangerman

i think politicalwire.com is probably right

TrumpTV - or whatever it’ll end up being called - is Trump’s “Plan B”, and it makes perfect sense if you think about it. He’s a reality TV star used to shooting off his mouth and opining on matters of which he has no knowledge, so having his own little media empire would suit him just fine. Ailes and Bannon are a perfect fit as well - it could be Ailes’ last hurrah.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:30:10am

re: #334 Rocky-in-Connecticut

For most, their “religion” never mattered anyway. It has always been more important to adhere to traditional power structures in America, white entitlement, good ol’ boy network, golf buddy business meetings, local power over national power, naked racism, and ownership/domination of women and girls. Their “religion” has been engineered over the past 40 years and is based on these principles.

it’s all about the power: Why Are Top Evangelical Leaders Sticking by Trump?

The truth of the matter is that none of these people like Trump at all. In fact, most probably can’t stand him. The reason they are sticking with him, though, is that they know Hillary Clinton will appoint federal judges who will reduce the role of religion—and thus their power—in America

electoral-vote.com

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 5:30:15am

“I took off from Best Buy for this?” pic.twitter.com/6uP0EA6RKM

— Conner O’Malley (@conner_omalley) October 10, 2016

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makeitstop Oct 10, 2016 • 5:31:14am

re: #276 BigPapa

I’m 30 minutes into the debate. Trump is doing what we all predicted: going lower and lower.

I guess I should be surprised that he said he’d put her in jail, but I’m not surprised. Comparisons to fascists and dictators are entirely appropriate.

I’m wondering if this ‘promise’ becomes part of his stump speech now.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:31:28am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

TrumpTV - or whatever it’ll end being called - is Trump’s “Plan B”, and it makes perfect sense if you think about it. He’s a reality TV star used to shooting off his mouth and opining on matters of which he has no knowledge, so having his own little media empire would suit him just fine. Ailes and Bannon are a perfect fit as well - it could be Ailes’ last hurrah.

yup. he knows hes toast if he didnt before. now it’s all just marketing and promo.

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 5:31:39am

re: #337 jaunte

Fantasizing about Angela Merkel again, Donald?

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 5:33:17am

re: #342 dangerman

yup. he knows hes toast if he didnt before. now it’s all just marketing and promo.

But can he compete with InfoWars and FOX News? How big is the conspiracy-mongering market?

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 5:33:32am

re: #343 De Kolta Chair

The German Chancellor would not go near him without some sort of protection.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 10, 2016 • 5:34:15am

Notion that Trump arrested his fall is based on — what?

— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) October 10, 2016

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It’s based on the same understanding of physical reality that actually believes a person can lift themselves up by their bootstraps. https://t.co/oszZJvVBLD

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 5:34:25am

‘Trump was so bad, he made the dog throw up.’ Debate watching w Matt Borges of OH, a possible post-@Reince RNC head https://t.co/rsQ5kUxVQS

— Trip Gabriel (@tripgabriel) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 5:35:53am

re: #347 De Kolta Chair

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jaunte Oct 10, 2016 • 5:36:50am

Trump was asked about bragging about sexually assaulting women and responded that he’s going to destroy ISIS and people say he won

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) October 10, 2016

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The non-sequitur campaign.

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 5:37:48am

re: #345 PhillyPretzel

The German Chancellor would not go near him without some sort of protection.

I don’t blame her. Angela Merkel may be conservative but she is not insane.

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 5:38:37am

re: #349 jaunte

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He doesn’t answer questions and the few times he does he shows a complete lack of understanding of policy and how our government works.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:38:58am

re: #342 dangerman

yup. he knows hes toast if he didnt before. now it’s all just marketing and promo.

Hell, he’s got an audience at the ready - his supporters. He’s got programs/contributors…..Sean Hannity, Alex Jones, Katrina Pearson, the Breitbart staff, etc. He’s ready to hit the ground running on November 9th.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 5:39:40am

Curt Schilling won the internet last night. Congrats, you nutty wingnut. pic.twitter.com/4EBwRxuE2p

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 10, 2016

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jaunte Oct 10, 2016 • 5:40:05am

-That a Senator can change policy on their own
-As President he can jail people
Trump’s instincts are profoundly authoritarian in nature

— LeftCoastLean (@LCL21CE) October 10, 2016

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That’s the “business experience” he’s had.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:40:27am

re: #344 Anymouse

But can he compete with InfoWars and FOX News? How big is the conspiracy-mongering market?

He’ll absorb Alex Jones and a pretty-good sized chunk of FNC personalities once their contracts expire.

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 5:42:22am

re: #344 Anymouse

But can he compete with InfoWars and FOX News? How big is the conspiracy-mongering market?

There are still marks out there who don’t have their Krugerrands and freeze-dried foodstocks.

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 5:44:07am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo

He’ll absorb Alex Jones and a pretty-good sized chunk of FNC personalities once their contracts expire.

I would like to think that Megyn Kelly would work at being an investigative journalist at another (sane) outlet; she is whip-smart and has the skills.

I only wonder that if working for FOX is like working for the Weekly World News: Once you’ve done that it has tainted you for any other journalist job.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:44:30am

For TrumpTV, the easiest thing for him, Ailes and Bannon to do is get hold of One America News Network (OANN). That’s the groundwork laid right there; it’s national already and available in 15 million American homes. Then it needs to be expanded into major markets and the major cable carriers. Ailes built FNC from the ground up, and even though he’s much older now, I’d expect he’d do the same thing again.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:44:54am

re: #344 Anymouse

But can he compete with InfoWars and FOX News? How big is the conspiracy-mongering market?

i fear his enterprise will probably enlarge the pie

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:45:37am

re: #358 Anymouse

I would like to think that Megyn Kelly would work at being an investigative journalist at another (sane) outlet; she is whip-smart and has the skills.

I only wonder that if working for FOX is like working for the Weekly World News: Once you’ve done that it has tainted you for any other journalist job.

Read my #359 - if Trump’s gonna do it, I’m pretty sure this is how it’ll be done.

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jaunte Oct 10, 2016 • 5:45:50am

Today’s front page: GRAB A SEAT, LOSER!
Trump’s vile comments take center stage, help hand Hil another debate win https://t.co/02KmznvEW1 pic.twitter.com/l2c4Pm2HGR

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) October 10, 2016

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 5:46:08am

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

I will stay with PBS. They have better shows.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 5:46:52am

Morning Joke has been spending the morning re-prosecuting Bill Clinton and the Democrats from the 1990. He’s so desperate to paint the left as hypocrites for being so outraged and offended by his party’s candidate. Pathetic.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:47:21am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 5:47:21am

re: #361 Dr Lizardo

Read my #359 - if Trump’s gonna do it, I’m pretty sure this is how it’ll be done.

I don’t know about this One America News Network, as I do not have cable service available to me. That might be a good thing.

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 5:48:10am

re: #365 dangerman

if you can sell or transfer a gun to someone without having to verify for sure they are not legally barred from owning one, then there some kind of loophole, call it whatever name you want

Exactly.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:48:48am

re: #366 Anymouse

I don’t know about this One America News Network, as I do not have cable service available to me. That might be a good thing.

You can read about it here: en.wikipedia.org

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 5:48:57am

re: #362 jaunte

@PaladinCornelia Trump massages empty chairs and Clint Eastwood talks to them.

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 10, 2016

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 5:49:23am

re: #366 Anymouse

Be thankful. I do not have cable. That is one reason why I will continue to support PBS. That and wonderful shows like Downton Abbey and Poldark.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:49:46am

re: #364 Dr. Matt

Morning Joke has been spending the morning re-prosecuting Bill Clinton and the Democrats from the 1990. He’s so desperate to paint the left as hypocrites for being so outraged and offended by his party’s candidate. Pathetic.

as i keep saying
pointing out that someone else is a pig doesnt make trump not a pig

(* apologies to the ~~hairy, pot bellied, swine~~, ok 4 legged variety)

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jaunte Oct 10, 2016 • 5:49:48am

Ann Coulter called me a “moron” for noting that Trump wants to throw his political rival in jail. In other words, this is a good morning.

— Jeffrey Goldberg (@JeffreyGoldberg) October 10, 2016

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 5:50:03am

re: #365 dangerman

if you can sell or transfer a gun to someone without having to verify for sure they are not legally barred from owning one, then there some kind of loophole, call it whatever name you want

That’s NOT a Poophole! That’s Freedim and Merica!!

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 5:50:23am

Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway: He’s “gracious and a gentleman” https://t.co/S7PYeyRTrd pic.twitter.com/6XHAZLYdAc

— CNN (@CNN) October 10, 2016

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:51:13am

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 5:51:20am

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 5:52:31am

On Inauguration Day 2017, Trump will jail Hillary, because that’s the premiere date of new reality show, “Fantasy Court with Donald Trump.”

— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) October 10, 2016

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:52:32am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Exactly.

i cant understand why this is so hard

some people are legally barred from possessing a gun
in a transaction, what is the problem in confirming that you are not one of them?

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jaunte Oct 10, 2016 • 5:53:31am

Donald Trump’s campaign manager Kellyanne Conway defended the Republican presidential nominee, saying she’s been alone with Trump and he’s been “gracious and a gentleman,” despite the lewd language from a leaked video, which she called disgusting.
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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 5:53:32am

re: #374 De Kolta Chair

Ms Conway needs a good dictionary and a good pair of readers.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 5:54:50am

So, the question should be asked, will there be a third debate?

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:55:10am

re: #380 PhillyPretzel

Ms Conway needs a good dictionary and a good pair of readers.

conway:

“I’m with the campaign till the bitter end,” Conway responded. “Unless…”

“It’s unless someone in my household needs me,” she said by way of explanation

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:55:52am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

So, the question should be asked, will there be a third debate?

The better question is when does the next Trump bombshell/scandal drop?

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makeitstop Oct 10, 2016 • 5:56:06am

re: #374 De Kolta Chair

Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway: He’s “gracious and a gentleman”

Right up until he informs you that you will not be paid full value for your work.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:56:44am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

So, the question should be asked, will there be a third debate?

absolutely
it’s not in his calculus at all

if he wasnt afraid of this one and didnt care about his performance, or worse, is buying into those that say he won (again), the third debate is just another promotional opportunity for the “brand”

sadly no though to winning or becoming president or anything

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 5:56:59am

re: #384 makeitstop

Right up until he informs yo that you will not be paid full value for your work.

I think she’s being paid by someone else, not Trump. Can’t recall where I read that.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 5:57:02am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

Of course. The show must go on. /

I personally think that there will be a 3rd debate just to show that the uncouth one is still running.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 5:58:25am

re: #387 PhillyPretzel

Of course. The show must go on. /

I personally think that there will be a 3rd debate just to show that the uncouth one is still running.

that he’s still breathing?

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 5:58:27am

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 5:59:12am

re: #378 dangerman

i cant understand why this is so hard

some people are legally barred from possessing a gun
in a transaction, what is the problem in confirming that you are not one of them?

The mechanisms don’t exist, and probably could not be realistically created. I legally hold a small arsenal, mostly handguns, and no one outside this room is aware of that.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 5:59:41am

re: #389 freetoken

Is that Jabba the Hutt slobbering over Senator Organa-Solo? /

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 6:01:57am

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goddamnedfrank Oct 10, 2016 • 6:02:33am

Pence: “It’s absolutely false to suggest at any time we considered dropping off this ticket. It’s the greatest honor of my life.”

— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) October 10, 2016

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“Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life,” Pence said while blinking furiously. https://t.co/mvzH1UX4kw

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) October 10, 2016

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 6:03:12am

re: #383 Dr Lizardo

The better question is when does the next Trump bombshell/scandal drop?

Let us hope that last night’s despicable display jolted Mark Cuban to pony up the 5 million to have unaired The Apprentice tapes released.

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 6:04:01am

re: #393 goddamnedfrank

Pence: “It’s absolutely false to suggest at any time we considered dropping off this ticket. It’s the greatest honor of my life.”

Good. Now we have only Cruz, Walker, Kasich and Ryan to worry about in 2020.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 6:04:08am

re: #387 PhillyPretzel

Of course. The show must go on. /

I personally think that there will be a 3rd debate just to show that the uncouth one is still running.

OK, fantasy time here.

Third debate? Tell you what I’d love to see.

Let’s say the RNC decides later today to re-direct spending away from Trump to the RNC’s congressional campaigns. Trump being Trump, he’ll blow a gasket, to say the least. Then another scandal or two breaks over the next 10 days or so.

Third debate? Trump launches into an all-out declaration of war against the GOP, saying he’s been “betrayed”, and urges his supporters to stay home, to boycott the election. Enough of these delusional morons decide to heed Trump’s advice.

Result - the GOP is swept out of the Senate and the House owing to angry Trump voters sitting out the election. President Clinton now has House and Senate majorities to work with. Trump burns the GOP down to the ground as a result of his scorched-earth policy, and the GOP descends into chaotic infighting as the various factions seek the upper hand, which in turn, makes them even more unappealing to the overall electorate.

LOLOLOLOLOL

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 6:05:33am

#WorldMentalHealthDay

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 6:06:51am

re: #396 Dr Lizardo

OK, fantasy time here.

Third debate? Tell you what I’d love to see.

Let’s say the RNC decides later today to re-direct spending away from Trump to the RNC’s congressional campaigns. Trump being Trump, he’ll blow a gasket, to say the least. Then another scandal or two breaks over the next 10 days or so.

Third debate? Trump launches into an all-out declaration of war against the GOP, saying he’s been “betrayed”, and urges his supporters to stay home, to boycott the election. Enough of these delusional morons decide to heed Trump’s advice.

Result - the GOP is swept out of the Senate and the House owing to angry Trump voters sitting out the election. President Clinton now has House and Senate majorities to work with. Trump burns the GOP down to the ground as a result of his scorched-earth policy, and the GOP descends into chaotic infighting as the various factions seek the upper hand, which in turn, makes them even more unappealing to the overall electorate.

LOLOLOLOLOL

Freep has been carrying “Vote Only Trump, Drop the Ticket” calls for a day or so. It shows up as a graphic elsewhere.

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 6:07:12am

re: #347 De Kolta Chair

That is actually a fascinating read. For those who were criticizing Clinton for last night (and yes, there were some times I think she should have fought back harder, too), that article shows why she did not draw daggers and kill him off quickly. If she had, it would be more likely that he would go and the GOP might have had time to do some maneuver to, heck, I don’t know…create an effective write-in campaign or something (why not? It worked for Murkowski in Alaska.) If we wait a few more days and drop the next bombshell when there is absolutely no time for anything, it is much better.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 6:07:24am

re: #397 De Kolta Chair

Nice caption but I prefer freetoken’s version. Very creative.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 6:07:47am

re: #390 Decatur Deb

The mechanisms don’t exist, and probably could not be realistically created. I legally hold a small arsenal, mostly handguns, and no one outside this room is aware of that.

i think they could easily

and i think there are two real fears driving the objection to trying
1. an irresponsible person knowing they’d be on the list
2. a responsible person legitimately ending up on the list after due process

the “on the list in error” can only be an issue to a first time buyer, and yes, i believe could easily be corrected

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 6:09:17am

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

For TrumpTV, the easiest thing for him, Ailes and Bannon to do is get hold of One America News Network (OANN). That’s the groundwork laid right there; it’s national already and available in 15 million American homes. Then it needs to be expanded into major markets and the major cable carriers. Ailes built FNC from the ground up, and even though he’s much older now, I’d expect he’d do the same thing again.

I never heard of OANN. Has everyone else?

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Franklin Oct 10, 2016 • 6:09:21am

re: #393 goddamnedfrank

He has no choice. He drops out he is unelectable in the “new GOP”. He stays in, he at least has a “chance” to win.

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 6:09:41am

re: #365 dangerman

if you can sell or transfer a gun to someone without having to verify for sure they are not legally barred from owning one, then there some kind of loophole, call it whatever name you want

And not just gun shows: I could take the shotgun I’ve owned for years and sell it today in my town to anyone I wanted without ever knowing if that person is legally allowed to buy a gun. Moreover, I would not need to report its sale or conduct any sort of check on the person.

That is a loophole so large you could sail an aircraft carrier through it.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 6:09:49am

re: #398 Decatur Deb

Freep has been carrying “Vote Only Trump, Drop the Ticket” calls for a day or so. It shows up as a graphic elsewhere.

I didn’t know that. I sometimes wander over to the Fever Swamp to take a look; it gives me some insight into what the hardcore of the GOP base is thinking (or what passes for “thinking” over there). Damn…..this is cutting off their nose to spite their face.

But that’s how they are - no surprise there.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 6:10:47am

re: #404 Anymouse

And not just gun shows: I could take the shotgun I’ve owned for years and sell it today in my town to anyone I wanted without ever knowing if that person is legally allowed to buy a gun. Moreover, I would not need to report its sale or conduct any sort of check on the person.

That is a loophole so large you could sail an aircraft carrier through it.

… and then sell it…

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Franklin Oct 10, 2016 • 6:11:01am

re: #404 Anymouse

And not just gun shows: I could take the shotgun I’ve owned for years and sell it today in my town to anyone I wanted without ever knowing if that person is legally allowed to buy a gun. Moreover, I would not need to report its sale or conduct any sort of check on the person.

That is a loophole so large you could sail an aircraft carrier through it.

Yes, but that is a loophole. Mr. Baseball is talking about a poophole. See the difference?

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 6:11:46am

re: #401 dangerman

i think they could easily

and i think there are two real fears driving the objection to trying
1. an irresponsible person knowing they’d be on the list
2. a responsible person legitimately ending up on the list after due process

the “on the list in error” can only be an issue to a first time buyer, and yes, i believe could easily be corrected

There are already about 300,000,000 guns in people’s hands. Nothing keeps me from hawking mine, legally or illegally, in the Farm Center parking lot. That train has already left the dock.

npr.org

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 6:11:56am

re: #399 MsJ

That is actually a fascinating read. For those who were criticizing Clinton for last night (and yes, there were some times I think she should have fought back harder, too), that article shows why she did not draw daggers and kill him off quickly. If she had, it would be more likely that he would go and the GOP might have had time to do some maneuver to, heck, I don’t know…create an effective write-in campaign or something (why not? It worked for Murkowski in Alaska.) If we wait a few more days and drop the next bombshell when there is absolutely no time for anything, it is much better.

The big bombshell - the Tsar Bomba of bombshells - needs to drop on the last week of October/first week of November.

Boom.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 6:12:10am

re: #404 Anymouse

I agree. That is how my late dad sold his Luger (WW2 era and all of the serial numbers on it matched) to a collector. The buyer even bought a paper bag to our house to take it home.

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jeffreyw Oct 10, 2016 • 6:13:02am

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 6:14:24am

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That looks like a tasty breakfast. I can feel my arteries hardening just looking at it!

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 6:15:32am

re: #409 Dr Lizardo

Correct. If the tapes reveal what type of person he is then it will work.

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makeitstop Oct 10, 2016 • 6:17:09am

re: #402 MsJ

I never heard of OANN. Has everyone else?

It’s on cable here in the NYC area.

I became aware of it through my mother-in-law’s wingnut friends, who watch it because they ‘don’t really trust’ Fox News any more.

Palin made a big deal of going to their studios - I think she was angling for a show with them but it never happened.

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Jayleia Oct 10, 2016 • 6:17:10am

re: #390 Decatur Deb

The mechanisms already exist for gun shops to sell.

Here’s my general idea:
If Person A wants to sell to Person B, they drive to a local gun shop, and one of the parties pays a small fee for a background check and the shop does the check. If there is a waiting period involved, the shop can hold onto the gun while they wait.

The shop gets part of the fee, and doesn’t have to hold any extra inventory, its a continuing source of revenue too, because people are continually buying, selling and trading older weapons.

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 6:17:48am

re: #400 PhillyPretzel

Very clever indeed.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 6:19:41am

This just in:

Trump says “the gloves are off” for tonight’s #Debate 😉

👉🏻 #ImWithHer pic.twitter.com/zmoVLXvjQq

— (((DuneMyThang™))) (@Kris_Sacrebleu) October 9, 2016

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 6:23:15am

Kellyanne Conway notes she’s been alone with Trump many times and he has never assaulted her.

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 10, 2016

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There’s a low bar for a wannabe President of the United States to slither under. https://t.co/3qF6zOWEhi

— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) October 10, 2016

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 6:23:26am

White nationalists see opportunity to pack Trump administration: ‘We are the new GOP!’ https://t.co/JgovZX3aer pic.twitter.com/Qcb25S91kI

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 10, 2016

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 6:23:28am

re: #399 MsJ

Dang, now I’m going to have to read the darn thing. ;-)

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ObserverArt Oct 10, 2016 • 6:23:38am

re: #364 Dr. Matt

Morning Joke has been spending the morning re-prosecuting Bill Clinton and the Democrats from the 1990. He’s so desperate to paint the left as hypocrites for being so outraged and offended by his party’s candidate. Pathetic.

Yeah…what was Joke and Mika going on about? I was not paying close attention but I did hear some crap about Trump doing what the GOP base has been wanting for 30 years and now the GOP pols that dumped Trump on Saturday and Sunday have big problems getting back in line with the new Trump…or something.

And is Mika back in love with Trump…she seemed impressed? But, I really can’t say I knew what the hell they were actually saying.

I guess the Horse race is back on…or is it?

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 6:24:31am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. First day commuting back to Hoboken on NJ Transit. A lot slower than usual, and the train creeped into the terminal, which makes sense given all the scrutiny over what caused the crash and the NTSB watching everything NJ Transit is doing.

TV crews were out in force, and they’ll be here for some time to come as there are regular updates on findings, progress on reopening the terminal fully, etc. Figure that will last another couple of days, and then the media will move on to the next story.

Reality is that NJ Transit has been beat down for so long trying to cobble together a budget, that it makes it difficult to plan accordingly. Capital budgets are plundered to fund operations. State assistance simply has fallen like a rock, and Gov. Christie decided that his path to gas tax funding (which only came about because of the crash in Hoboken) was to demand and get an estate tax repeal to go along with the gas tax hike, earned income break, and a sales tax break. The sales tax break is a pittance for a person attempting to offset the gas tax hike - you’d need to spend something like $40k to see a breakeven. The estate tax repeal is a giveaway to millionaires.

It would have been far more prudent to skip the sales tax cut altogether, and direct the portions that would have been cut, plus the estate tax revenue to mass transit. That would have lessened the burden on drivers and commuters, but that’s not how NJ politicians roll in the Shire.

Oh, and about that ruckus last night in St. Louis. Just who exactly is on the fence now? Seriously. Trump doesn’t even have Schoolhouse Rock level knowledge of how bills become law, or what a legislator does. So, no Trump, Clinton couldn’t just enact anything she damn well liked before she even entered the Senate to stop you from taking the very tax breaks that the tax code has allowed for years (NOLs, depreciation).

And all your talk about tax policy shows you don’t know the first thing about it. Other than what your tax accountants were able to do to reduce your tax bill to nothing because of spectacular losses. $1B in losses on personal income. That is jaw-dropping bad. Spectacularly awful.

Then, there’s the nonsensical and dangerous rheotric about throwing Hillary in prison and having special prosecutors to investigate - never mind that the FBI and DOJ said no reasonable prosecutor would touch, but you know that Rudy would relish that opportunity, because it’s self-evident he’s no longer reasonable (he’s thrown his lot with Trump after all).

As if that wasn’t dangerous enough, you had Trump (and the GOP) claiming that Hillary shouldn’t have given a defendant counsel in a heinous case of a rape. Apparently, Trump doesn’t think the 6A right to counsel is a thing. At least for those people who can’t afford it.

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 6:24:54am

re: #415 Jayleia

The mechanisms already exist for gun shops to sell.

Here’s my general idea:
If Person A wants to sell to Person B, they drive to a local gun shop, and one of the parties pays a small fee for a background check and the shop does the check. If there is a waiting period involved, the shop can hold onto the gun while they wait.

The shop gets part of the fee, and doesn’t have to hold any extra inventory, its a continuing source of revenue too, because people are continually buying, selling and trading older weapons.

How could it be enforced in any way that would be tolerable to the people who vote? Only one of my guns has not long ago lost its manufacturer’s pedigree. That’s probably true of many or most of the 250 million guns that are over a few years old. Long guns are hardly even tracked.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 6:25:23am

re: #421 ObserverArt

Yeah, they were all over the place. They were loving and hating Trump at the same moment. In short, they were spinning.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 10, 2016 • 6:26:10am

Kellyanne Conway said Trump’s threat to jail Clinton was just a “quip” https://t.co/4y1BY3MPIT

— Blake Hounshell (@blakehounshell) October 10, 2016

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A threat to jail an opponent like some Soviet-era dictator is not a “quip” it is a freaking THREAT #tcot #UniteBlue https://t.co/U8wQe13NaV

— (((Beelzebabushka))) (@viciousbabushka) October 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 6:27:18am

re: #419 Dr. Matt

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That may be the most scary thing Trump has created this election. These people are emboldened like they never have in the modern era.

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 6:28:29am

re: #425 The Vicious Babushka

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Oh I see Kellyanne but yet deplorables was just awful. Go home, you’re drunk.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 10, 2016 • 6:29:36am

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 6:29:46am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

That may be the most scary thing Trump has created this election. These people are emboldened like they never have in the modern era.

And Hillary “had” to apologize for correctly pointing out his deplorable base.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 10, 2016 • 6:29:49am

@viciousbabushka pic.twitter.com/b9DXzxKcAJ

— SMH (@GreaseWeezer2) October 10, 2016

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De Kolta Chair Oct 10, 2016 • 6:30:00am

BBL nice people.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 6:30:22am

Mike Pence says on MSNBC that jail threat was one of Trump’s best moments in the debate.

— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) October 10, 2016

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Current VP status: totalitarianism curious. https://t.co/Mt5jZ38Vgn

— Dean Barker (@deanbarker) October 10, 2016

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makeitstop Oct 10, 2016 • 6:30:38am

re: #418 MsJ

There’s a low bar for a wannabe President of the United States to slither under.

We were at my MiL’s house for dinner before the debate, and talk swung around to Trump. My MiL (who is constantly being fed propaganda from her wingnut friends) said that she watched the first debate and she thought ‘at least he wasn’t stupid.’

I held my tongue pretty well up to that point, but I had to tell her ‘The guy is running for president - you have to hold him to a higher standard than ‘at least he wasn’t stupid.”

Leaving aside, of course, that all he was in that debate was stupid.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 6:36:37am

Your debate lookups @MerriamWebster, in order:
lepo-
bigly
demogogic
demagogue
locker-room
bipartisan
Aleppo
socialism
petulant
debate

— Kory Stamper (@KoryStamper) October 10, 2016

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Note that more people are looking up ‘lepo-’ (as in, “what’s a lepo?”) than ‘Aleppo’. #debate https://t.co/SvAqKWp3bz

— Merriam-Webster (@MerriamWebster) October 10, 2016

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 6:39:08am

re: #407 Franklin

Yes, but that is a loophole. Mr. Baseball is talking about a poophole. See the difference?

ah, my error, sort of. reading comprehension…..?!!?

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 6:41:13am

Should be obvious:

No one talks like Donald Trump in locker rooms

In all the years I’ve gone to a gym, never have I, or anyone I know or even overheard, bragged about assaulting women.

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Franklin Oct 10, 2016 • 6:43:00am

re: #435 dangerman

ah, my error, sort of. reading comprehension…..?!!?

LOL, no you are correct. I was just playing on the fact that Curt Schilling left himself an out with that ‘poophole’ typo.

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Great White Snark Oct 10, 2016 • 6:44:01am

re: #436 freetoken

Should be obvious:

No one talks like Donald Trump in locker rooms

In all the years I’ve gone to a gym, never have I, or anyone I know or even overheard, bragged about assaulting women.

The mythical safe space for being an arrogant disrespecting ass.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 6:44:20am

re: #436 freetoken

Should be obvious:

No one talks like Donald Trump in locker rooms

In all the years I’ve gone to a gym, never have I, or anyone I know or even overheard, bragged about assaulting women.

I think it’s safe to say that Trump is indeed a sociopath. His words and deeds are those of someone who is divorced from societal norms, can’t tell right from wrong, invents his own reality, and wants to impose it on the rest of us.

Wait, did I say sociopath? Naw, I think it’s far worse than that. This is a guy with serious psychological issues.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 6:45:51am

The look on Ivanka’s face at the end is interesting.

Original tweet text: When your daughter won’t even kiss you.

When your own daughter won’t even kiss you. 😳 #debate pic.twitter.com/iKHOSaOqEa

— Diane N. Sevenay (@Diane_7A) October 10, 2016

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 6:48:37am

re: #436 freetoken

Should be obvious:

No one talks like Donald Trump in locker rooms

In all the years I’ve gone to a gym, never have I, or anyone I know or even overheard, bragged about assaulting women.

Not many people are qualified. It takes really vast sums of money to give anyone that sense of immunity.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 6:48:54am

re: #423 Decatur Deb

How could it be enforced in any way that would be tolerable to the people who vote? Only one of my guns has not long ago lost its manufacturer’s pedigree. That’s probably true of many or most of the 250 million guns that are over a few years old. Long guns are hardly even tracked.

i think this is what usually happens
we end up lost in the weeds with “how” and “that’ll never work because” rather than starting with the basic premises

- some people can be and are legally barred from possessing guns
- while the rest of us have a right to own/possess, no one has an obligation to sell to you
- sellers/transferers could and should be held criminally and civilly liable if they do not take reasonable (or even any) steps to confirm they are not selling to someone they shouldnt

(yes, i think sellers have some obligation to the rest of us - selling is an option and should not be done recklessly or carelessly)

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Franklin Oct 10, 2016 • 6:49:43am

re: #436 freetoken

Should be obvious:

No one talks like Donald Trump in locker rooms

In all the years I’ve gone to a gym, never have I, or anyone I know or even overheard, bragged about assaulting women.

Great comment on that article. QFT:

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 6:50:22am

FiveThirtyEight’s polls-only forecast gives Clinton an 82% chance of winning the presidency https://t.co/lflFIcWEzk

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 10, 2016

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 6:51:21am

re: #440 darthstar

The look on Ivanka’s face at the end is interesting.

Original tweet text: When your daughter won’t even kiss you.

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She just looks like she is about to speak to Tiffany. I don’t see anything odd there.

What was bizarre was Tiffany’s reaction to her father. That was really weird.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 6:53:51am

re: #422 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Oh, and about that ruckus last night in St. Louis. Just who exactly is on the fence now? Seriously. Trump doesn’t even have Schoolhouse Rock level knowledge of how bills become law, or what a legislator does. So, no Trump, Clinton couldn’t just enact anything she damn well liked before she even entered the Senate to stop you from taking the very tax breaks that the tax code has allowed for years (NOLs, depreciation).

……

an excellent morning summary as always

i’m pointing out just one section that also applies to your following paragraphs

the problem is not just that *he* doesnt understand these things

a lot of his support comes from people who also dont understand or care to understand these things. their conclusional thinking is visceral not critical, logical, or reasoned and informed.

or in short: they believe he can “throw her in jail”.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 6:54:03am

re: #440 darthstar

The look on Ivanka’s face at the end is interesting.

Original tweet text: When your daughter won’t even kiss you.

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Another interesting post-debate observation: Trump only stayed around about 10 mins to meet-and-great those on the debate stage. He probably only met with < half of those people on stage. By contrast, Bill and Hillary appeared to have met with everyone and stayed with them at least 20 mins or more. Remind me again who is being painted as the insider, elitist, who is out of touch with the people?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 6:54:06am

re: #445 MsJ

She just looks like she is about to speak to Tiffany. I don’t see anything odd there.

What was bizarre was Tiffany’s reaction to her father. That was really weird.

I suspect that Ivanka is daddy’s favorite, and Tiffany an inconvenient result of banging Marla.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 10, 2016 • 6:55:05am

Bernie nailed Hillary’s #EmailScandal way back during the primary #debate #tcot #UniteBlue https://t.co/DbGb3G9Sx1

— (((Beelzebabushka))) (@viciousbabushka) October 10, 2016

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 6:55:06am

re: #442 dangerman

i think this is what usually happens
we end up lost in the weeds with “how” and “that’ll never work because” rather than starting with the basic premises

- some people can be and are legally barred from possessing guns
- while the rest of us have a right to own/possess, no one has an obligation to sell to you
- sellers/transferers could and should be held criminally and civilly liable if they do not take reasonable (or even any) steps to confirm they are not selling to someone they shouldnt

(yes, i think sellers have some obligation to the rest of us - selling is an option and should not be done recklessly or carelessly)

The best you could reasonably hope for is draconian sentencing for anyone whose former gun winds up in a crime recovery—Accessory Way Before the Murder. Solutions that depend on the elevation of a better sort of human have a poor track record. If you want a fix, you must show a credible path to the goal.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 6:55:35am

re: #437 Franklin

LOL, no you are correct. I was just playing on the fact that Curt Schilling left himself an out with that ‘poophole’ typo.

as was i

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 10, 2016 • 6:55:38am

re: #267 LastYearsMan

Clearly he was out of tic-tacs.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 6:56:09am

This was the most popular tweet during the #debate last night https://t.co/q7i89umPll pic.twitter.com/Joi8SDXMg9

— amNewYork (@amNewYork) October 10, 2016

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 6:56:10am

re: #440 darthstar

The look on Ivanka’s face at the end is interesting.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 6:57:39am

re: #454 dangerman

shes gonna leave him

yeah yeah, i meant the other one

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Anymouse Oct 10, 2016 • 6:57:46am

Well, I am off to bed. The sun is up and the contractor for the village is coming by my house this afternoon to check out my malfunctioning reverse osmosis water unit. (It’s lights indicate it is not working and I really don’t want to drink uranium and arsenic laced water.)

Bye y’all.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 6:58:18am

re: #445 MsJ

She just looks like she is about to speak to Tiffany. I don’t see anything odd there.

What was bizarre was Tiffany’s reaction to her father. That was really weird.

I think she was about to say, “You don’t brush off dad like that on camera!”

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 6:58:30am

re: #456 Anymouse

Well, I am off to bed. The sun is up and the contractor for the village is coming by my house this afternoon to check out my malfunctioning reverse osmosis water unit. (It’s lights indicate it is not working and I really don’t want to drink uranium and arsenic laced water.)

Bye y’all.

It has electrolytes.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 7:00:38am

re: #454 dangerman

shes gonna leave him

You don’t name a kid Tiffany and expect them to be anything other than superficial with you.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 7:02:10am

@StevenTDennis @JoyAnnReid He’ll have plenty of time to deny he was ever on the ticket after the election.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 10, 2016

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Trump-Pence? Really? Must’ve been Hunter Pence from the San Francisco Giants. I was busy being governor and using the bible to justify my hatred of women.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Oct 10, 2016 • 7:03:22am

I was at a friend’s place last night and nowhere near a TV, so I only got to follow along on Twitter.

Then I made the mistake of watching the whole damn thing when I got home. What a shitshow — and the idea that anyone came away with that with a better opinion of Trump just blows my mind, as I heard in an interview with Trump supporters on NPR this morning.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 7:03:45am

Pence complained Raddatz mischaracterized his views on Syria … but she literally repeated what he said. Pence on left, Raddatz on right. pic.twitter.com/6HzxhI1T7m

— Eric Bradner (@ericbradner) October 10, 2016

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 7:04:55am

re: #450 Decatur Deb

The best you could reasonably hope for is draconian sentencing for anyone whose former gun winds up in a crime recovery—Accessory Way Before the Murder. Solutions that depend on the elevation of a better sort of human have a poor track record. If you want a fix, you must show a credible path to the goal.

littlegreenfootballs.com

a short way down “In this diary I want to focus on just two points:”

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Belafon Oct 10, 2016 • 7:05:26am

re: #247 GlutenFreeJesus

Uh. No not perfect. Nobody is. Just calling this like I see it. I feel she clearly won. But damn. Put the last nail in his campaign’s coffin already.

That’s not how elections work. We like to use hyperbole words like destroyed and dismembered a lot, but unless you can actually kill someone or throw them in jail, no single event, not even a debate, is going to finish them.

Which is why Trump is willing to throw her in jail.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut Oct 10, 2016 • 7:06:01am

re: #439 lawhawk

Trump is the Daddy in what has been our right wing’s historical divorce from the rest of the country and from the world that has been occurring since 1994 or so. Up until 1994, our right wing played around with leaving, but never really felt they had to because they felt they always had the upper hand. But Clinton’s presidency really rattled them to their core. This is why they hate the Clintons so much. Bill and Hillary embodied the Change that our country has been going through on a very personal level. They want their Andy Griffith fake-1950’s world back and have left the house. Now they want a Divorce.

The American right wing constitutes about 2% of the world’s population and they want to divorce themselves from 98% of the world.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 7:06:29am

Presidential prediction’s not-all-that-dirty little secret: https://t.co/yZ8YDTEG3W via @SamWangPhD

— Sam Wang (@SamWangPhD) October 10, 2016

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 7:06:32am

re: #447 Dr. Matt

Another interesting post-debate observation: Trump only stayed around about 10 mins to meet-and-great those on the debate stage. He probably only met with < half of those people on stage. By contrast, Bill and Hillary appeared to have met with everyone and stayed with them at least 20 mins or more. Remind me again who is being painted as the insider, elitist, who is out of touch with the people?

The only meet and greet I saw was him hanging with the family and those he knew. I did not see him “pressing the flesh” at all. And then he booked it outta there.

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 7:07:01am

re: #448 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I suspect that Ivanka is daddy’s favorite, and Tiffany an inconvenient result of banging Marla.

Probably right. I wonder how they view Barron.

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 7:07:30am

Typical MBF:

Trump, Clinton rage in most tweeted debate of all time

The presidential candidates waste no time hurling insults at each other. Naturally, Twitter responds in record fashion.

If cnet insists.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 7:09:04am

re: #467 MsJ

The only meet and greet I saw was him hanging with the family and those he knew. I did not see him “pressing the flesh” at all. And then he booked it outta there.

MSNBC showed him meeting with a few people. He met with the guy that asked last question, the Black guy that was sitting two rows behind him….. Basically he met with people near the exit.

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 7:11:48am

re: #466 lawhawk

Yes, but RealClearPolitics is still pretending it’s a close race. They insist, for example, that Minnesota is a toss-up.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 7:12:00am

re: #465 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Trump is the Daddy in what has been our right wing’s historical divorce from the rest of the country and from the world that has been occurring since 1994 or so. Up until 1994, our right wing played around with leaving, but never really felt they had to because they felt they always had the upper hand. But Clinton’s presidency really rattled them to their core. This is why they hate the Clintons so much. Bill and Hillary embodied the Change that our country has been going through on a very personal level. They want their Andy Griffith fake-1950’s world back and have left the house. Now they want a Divorce.

The American right wing constitutes about 2% of the world’s population and they want to divorce themselves from 98% of the world.

Mars needs pioneers. Just sayin’.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 7:12:19am

re: #466 lawhawk

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Last week someone posted here (I think), that the winner of the second debate over the last several decades won the election something like 80% of the time.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 7:13:40am

re: #468 MsJ

Probably right. I wonder how they view Barron.

Good question. I have the impression that the middle three are pretty tight as siblings, Tiffany is more distant from the rest given the contentious divorce from Marla, and Melania seems to avoid being in the public eye with Barron as much as possible. Every time I look at her, she either looks angry or desperate to get way.

Home life with The Donald right now must be truly horrific.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 7:14:52am

Thinking about that time I went “furniture shopping” while Melania was pregnant. #debate Vine via @ActualGOP https://t.co/Ga7yhyBHcw

— Donald J. Drumpf (@RealDonalDrumpf) October 10, 2016

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Oct 10, 2016 • 7:15:15am

Hard-hitting journalism.

Did you spot the fly that landed on @HillaryClinton’s face during the #debate? It may have been delivering a message https://t.co/VUo5uhmQ1o pic.twitter.com/Nt0fnLR4zL

— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 10, 2016

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 7:15:40am

re: #474 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Good question. I have the impression that the middle three are pretty tight as siblings, Tiffany is more distant from the rest given the contentious divorce from Marla, and Melania seems to avoid being in the public eye with Barron as much as possible. Every time I look at her, she either looks angry or desperate to get way.

Home life with The Donald right now must be truly horrific.

Wait until sometime later in the evening of November 8th.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 7:15:51am

re: #472 Dr Lizardo

Mars needs pioneers. Just sayin’.

A new life awaits you in the Off-world colonies!

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makeitstop Oct 10, 2016 • 7:16:00am

Jim Wright thinks Pence’s ‘support’ of Trump is pretty much the exact opposite, and that Pence is planning a coup. I’m starting to agree.

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 7:16:03am

re: #466 lawhawk

Congressional races:

Dem - NH…….Hassan +2.0%
GOP - NV……..Heck +3.0%
Tie - NC……..Tied
GOP - AK………Murkowski +28.0%
Dem - PA………McGinty +2.0%
GOP - MO…….Blunt +4.0%
Dem - WI…….Feingold +6.0%
LA…….TBD +8.0% (ME: a GOP “TBD” is up 8. Sheesh.)
GOP - FL…….Rubio +4.0%
Dem - IN…….Bayh +14.0%
Dem - IL…….Duckworth +7.0%
Dem - CO……Bennet +10.0%
GOP - IA…….Grassley +17.0%
GOP - AZ……..McCain +18.0% (ME: Really? REALLY?)
GOP - OH…….Portman +15.0%

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 7:17:13am

re: #477 Dr Lizardo

Wait until sometime later in the evening of November 8th.

If she’s smart, she’ll take a few days away with Barron to some quiet resort far away.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 7:20:00am

re: #481 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If she’s smart, she’ll take a few days away with Barron to some quiet resort far away.

Hey, Melania, on the off-chance you’re reading this, really……the Beskyd Mountains here in the Czech Republic are truly amazing this time of year. And we have some great spa resorts too.

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 7:20:38am

re: #480 MsJ

Those numbers are sad and if they hold then the Democratic party will have failed in perhaps the most important way.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Oct 10, 2016 • 7:21:45am

re: #476 A wild WITHAK appeared!

This is apparently the “journalist” that is focusing on the goddamn fly.

Did you spot the fly that landed on @HillaryClinton’s face during the #debate? It may have been delivering a message https://t.co/VUo5uhmQ1o pic.twitter.com/Nt0fnLR4zL

— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 10, 2016

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Just sayin’… https://t.co/e4119aUxJA

— Christina Capatides (@capattack) October 10, 2016

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 7:22:04am

re: #483 freetoken

Those numbers are sad and if they hold then the Democratic party will have failed in perhaps the most important way.

I left the Power column off. This is where Wang says we should spend our time…on these congressional efforts. Go look at it for yourself. It’s in the right hand column.

election.princeton.edu

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 7:22:11am

re: #477 Dr Lizardo

Wait until sometime later in the evening of November 8th.

i think the writing is going to be on the wall long before that
if it were a “closer” race, then yeah, id hate to be around a romney/rove style “we were supposed to win, wtf just happened?”

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 7:24:27am

re: #463 dangerman

littlegreenfootballs.com

a short way down “In this diary I want to focus on just two points:”

Looks like we’re converging, but on only one facet of the issue. Any path to serious gun control requires a constitutional amendment or a Supreme Court willing to re-open Heller. Only one pathway to that, and she’s made herself vulnerable by even talking it up.

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 7:25:57am

re: #478 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

A new life awaits you in the Off-world colonies!

Do they have basic pleasure models?

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 10, 2016 • 7:26:24am

re: #480 MsJ

Ugh.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 7:28:05am

re: #486 dangerman

i think the writing is going to be on the wall long before that
if it were a “closer” race, then yeah, id hate to be around a romney/rove style “we were supposed to win, wtf just happened?”

Probably by Halloween I’m thinking it’s going to be glaringly obvious and Trump will probably start to really lose his shit around then, especially if that ties in with some fresh scandal.

I agree that if it was closer and then Trump loses on Election Day, damn, his meltdown would be one for the history books.

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 7:29:50am

Today show coworkers want Billy Bush out: ‘It really seems like it’s time for him to go’ https://t.co/9YmoGTWCeM pic.twitter.com/1kTNNbuwNT

— People Magazine (@people) October 10, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 7:30:11am

re: #488 Decatur Deb

Do they have basic pleasure models?

They’ll be shipped at a date yet to be determined.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 7:30:34am

GOP at this moment. #debate pic.twitter.com/nD0gc29sWj

— Michael Steele (@MichaelSteele) October 10, 2016

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 7:31:38am

re: #485 MsJ

I noticed that Wang is pushing for people to concentrate on down ticket.

But I think it may be too late (as it is with Drumpfskind.)

Substantially, what we are seeing is the inability of the DNC to work from the bottom up. This has been my criticism all along - that DWS and her cohorts were way too concentrated on just one prize. There really is an elitism in the national Democratic party that hampers it from connecting to a lot of people.

It’s all too obvious locally here, too. The local Democratic party has it’s controlled districts, and simply doesn’t work very much in other’s (such as Duncan The Lesser’s district.) Car Thief may be in danger locally not, in my opinion, to any great strategy by the Democratic party but simply because he has slowly, in his crusades, drifted away from his district’s real needs.

I’ve maintained my belief for several years here now, all the way back at least 8 years, but I do not believe HRC is that great of a candidate. She will probably win this year, but that is because Drumpfskind is losing by self-immolation.

I am waiting for evidence that HRC is helping the down ballot ticket.

Without going down my usual dystopic meandering, and trying to rethink what is going on in American politics, I see a lot of rural and uneducated people filled with resentment towards the urban and the well educated. That is not something that can lead us to a good place.

And the Democratic party has to embrace the problem, not pretend it won’t impact them.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 7:31:52am

re: #491 MsJ

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(*apologies to the ~~hairy, pot bellied, swine~~, sigh 4 legged ones)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 7:32:04am

re: #491 MsJ

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 7:32:19am

re: #483 freetoken

Those numbers are sad and if they hold then the Democratic party will have failed in perhaps the most important way.

I think part of the reason the GOP wants this election to be about Trump is it keeps Hillary from influencing down-ticket races. Yeah, they’ll lose the White House, again, but they’ll spend the next four years in Benghazi and Email Gate wonderland. We should be down to six SCOTUS justices by the time this is all over.

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 7:33:12am

Heh.

NEW: No, Trump didn’t “stop the bleeding,” unless we ignore the ways in which he’s actually bleeding: https://t.co/0zaaME8RLo

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 10, 2016

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From his wherever https://t.co/ZCBBLao665

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 10, 2016

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 7:33:22am

re: #488 Decatur Deb

Do they have basic pleasure models?

watch for any model with the word “Galaxy” in the name

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 7:35:48am

re: #499 dangerman

watch for any model with the word “Galaxy” in the name

Or, “Pris”.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 7:36:42am

Cujo.

GOOD MORNING. where House GOP stands. R LEADERSHIP likely to tell Rs today they should do what they need to re trump https://t.co/P0Fla4CdHv

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 10, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 7:38:53am

re: #500 Dr Lizardo

Or, “Pris”.

Watch out for that one, especially.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 7:39:09am

re: #501 darthstar

Cujo.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 7:39:52am

Curious about something said at the second presidential debate? Here are 29 claims, fact-checked. https://t.co/SN5OgPYfda pic.twitter.com/HO054SU3BH

— PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) October 10, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 7:41:14am

re: #503 darthstar

Ryan’s not happy. Good. Fuck him.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 7:42:30am

re: #499 dangerman

watch for any model with the word “Galaxy” in the name

Or Six. Or Eight.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 7:44:25am

re: #506 lawhawk

Or Six. Or Eight.

Now I am picturing Trump in a roomful of female replicants, and feeling sorry for the replicants.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 10, 2016 • 7:48:24am

With that morbid thought, I shall now retire for the night. Later on!

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 7:49:57am

No one talks like Donald Trump in locker rooms.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 10, 2016 • 7:54:44am

What a Trump world looks like==>

1 more time ICYMI: I got this message from my little sister tonight. This is why T***p cannot win. #oneofmanyreasons #vote pic.twitter.com/1Nx5ldAxPK

— Sara Nović (@NovicSara) October 10, 2016

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Franklin Oct 10, 2016 • 7:56:43am

re: #504 lawhawk

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Clinton’s website does, indeed, say that she wants a public option. But that would be just one option. Under a single-payer system, the government provides health care for everyone. Clinton’s web page makes it clear that there would be other payers as well.

That’s not how single-payer works. And it’s the biggest (false) argument against single-payer.

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Alyosha Oct 10, 2016 • 7:57:32am

re: #503 darthstar

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 10, 2016 • 7:57:49am

Looks like Chucky & Pax did not actually pay for Kathy’s ticket to the debate, someone else picked up the tab.

Woman who has long criticized Hillary Clinton got paid by Trump ally https://t.co/N3uQaak2sX pic.twitter.com/CJNX9lMwat

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) October 10, 2016

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Teukka Oct 10, 2016 • 7:58:54am

re: #510 The Vicious Babushka

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 7:59:32am

Remember, the day after the election the next round of election maneuvering begins.

This is where the tea partying GOP will kill any hopes HRC has of any of her agendas.

Even if by chance the Dems take over the Senate, they will not have enough seats to break the log jam the minority will enforce. Then come 2018 the Senate contests will favor the Republicans, and then the Senate falls back into GOP control.

HRC will be a one-term President. She will not be able to do much other than manage to keep the lights on and the seat warm for 4 years. We are set for 4 years of battles and investigations, of continuing resolutions for what is laughably called a “budget”, and likely empty Supreme Court seats at times.

Even assuming that the US avoids a recession (unlikely), 2020 will be a tough year for any politician who is an incumbent because the log-jam in DC will become increasingly unbearable.

And the turmoils of the world will not abate. The chance of a major terrorist attack somewhere in the next 4 years is high. Civil wars will continue. There is no end of warmongering over oil and religion.

I know this is sounding like an early morning rant by an old curmudgeon, but I am not very confident that the Democratic leadership is really up to the job we face.

Drumpfskind is forcing the Republicans to their day of reckoning. After this election you can bet the RNC will go back and change the primary rules once again to keep the kind of bandwagon effect that an outsider like Drumpf accomplished this year from happening again.

But I wonder what the Democratic party will do? What have they learned? The past 10 years or so has shown traditionally Democratic party districts and states lost, and I don’t see where the DNC has done the self-examination that it needs to do to address this longer view.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 8:02:36am

This one made me laugh.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 8:02:43am

.@JeffSessions is a U.S. Senator. He “doesn’t characterize” grabbing a woman by the genitals “as sexual assault.” https://t.co/N5kv3vv457 pic.twitter.com/nC3yZ4ulOx

— Taniel (@Taniel) October 10, 2016

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This is my *shocked* face that a US Senator doesn’t know what sexual assault is. https://t.co/bCgtsbVTIi

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Mind you, there’s clear definitions of what assault is, and sexual assault.

Let’s go to the US Code:

10 U.S. Code § 920

(b)Sexual Assault.—Any person subject to this chapter who—
(1) commits a sexual act upon another person by—
(A) threatening or placing that other person in fear;
(B) causing bodily harm to that other person;
(C) making a fraudulent representation that the sexual act serves a professional purpose; or
(D) inducing a belief by any artifice, pretense, or concealment that the person is another person;
(2) commits a sexual act upon another person when the person knows or reasonably should know that the other person is asleep, unconscious, or otherwise unaware that the sexual act is occurring; or
(3) commits a sexual act upon another person when the other person is incapable of consenting to the sexual act due to—
(A) impairment by any drug, intoxicant, or other similar substance, and that condition is known or reasonably should be known by the person; or
(B) a mental disease or defect, or physical disability, and that condition is known or reasonably should be known by the person;
is guilty of sexual assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
(c)Aggravated Sexual Contact.—
Any person subject to this chapter who commits or causes sexual contact upon or by another person, if to do so would violate subsection (a) (rape) had the sexual contact been a sexual act, is guilty of aggravated sexual contact and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
(d)Abusive Sexual Contact.—
Any person subject to this chapter who commits or causes sexual contact upon or by another person, if to do so would violate subsection (b) (sexual assault) had the sexual contact been a sexual act, is guilty of abusive sexual contact and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

And sexual contact includes “the penetration, however slight, of the vulva or anus or mouth, of another by any part of the body or by any object, with an intent to abuse, humiliate, harass, or degrade any person or to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person.”

That’s exactly what Trump said he had done. That makes Trump a sexual predator (on top of all the horrible and disqualifying things he’s said and done before these revelations became public).

— and yes, that’s not part of the Title 18 penal code, but rather the UCMJ - just picked a law that Sessions ought to be at least somewhat familiar with and is typical as to state sex assault statutes.

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MsJ Oct 10, 2016 • 8:03:49am

You know how in all those infomercials the people using the “old school” whatever are the clumsiest people on Earth? Like this guy?

1.) HOW LMAOO pic.twitter.com/04HfSP9UBb

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Then, there is this…the best one EVAH! Be sure to watch to the end.

23.) ok i saved the best for last. Just watch it & RT lol pic.twitter.com/T4p5Q2bXqk

— Birthday-Phở-King™ (@SenseiSmokes) June 26, 2016

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 8:04:30am

re: #510 The Vicious Babushka

It is revenge that motivates Trump’s supporters. Revenge against every woman who turned them down. Revenge against those whom they view as “beneath” them who got ahead of them. Revenge against African-Americans. Against Latinos. Against Muslims.

Against the world.

Yes, revenge against a world they feel has ignored them and not truly appreciated their greatness. And they feel that with a President Trump, they will at last be the top dogs, and then, by God, they’re going to show everyone they hate, everyone they despise, everyone “beneath” them what’s what; those “others” will be put in their place once and for all.

That’s what drives them. Their thirst for revenge and a desire to prove how great they are, because without that, their insecurities will ultimately consume them.

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KingKenrod Oct 10, 2016 • 8:05:27am

re: #513 The Vicious Babushka

Looks like Chucky & Pax did not actually pay for Kathy’s ticket to the debate, someone else picked up the tab.

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 10, 2016 • 8:07:07am

re: #513 The Vicious Babushka

Why isn’t Donny wearing his wedding ring?

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Alyosha Oct 10, 2016 • 8:07:29am

Dobbed in by another Syrian.
Said something FTW!

Suspected terror plotter held in Germany after two-day manhunt probably linked to so-called Islamic State - police https://t.co/vvioZhBSC9

— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) October 10, 2016

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Alyosha Oct 10, 2016 • 8:10:13am

A more accurate Skittles metaphor would run:

Would you eat a handful of Skittles from a bowl knowing one was poisoned but that a bunch of others held the antidote?

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 8:11:22am

Okay, so enough about Trump and his asshole tendencies. My favorite Clinton line from the debate last night was when she said, “There you go again”…I was all, OMG she just went Reagan on his ass!.

What was the one thing she said that stood out for you?

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allegro Oct 10, 2016 • 8:12:07am

re: #515 freetoken

Gracious, aren’t we a ray of sunshine this morning. Not really disagreeing, just refusing to give into such dark thoughts on a COOL DAY IN HOUSTON. It is glorious outside after a long hot summer and I choose to revel in its wonderfulness and keep positive. Hillary is going to win this and the GOP is imploding in fabulous fashion - a caused for joy if there ever was one. After so many frustrating years we are being served great frosty mugs of honey sweet schadenfreude. I’m drinking up!

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 8:12:54am

re: #518 lawhawk

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Mind you, there’s clear definitions of what assault is, and sexual assault.

Let’s go to the US Code:

10 U.S. Code § 920

And sexual contact includes “the penetration, however slight, of the vulva or anus or mouth, of another by any part of the body or by any object, with an intent to abuse, humiliate, harass, or degrade any person or to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person.”

That’s exactly what Trump said he had done. That makes Trump a sexual predator (on top of all the horrible and disqualifying things he’s said and done before these revelations became public).

— and yes, that’s not part of the Title 18 penal code, but rather the UCMJ - just picked a law that Sessions ought to be at least somewhat familiar with and is typical as to state sex assault statutes.

Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third would be less confused if Trump had said “poon-tang”.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 8:15:48am

re: #487 Decatur Deb

Looks like we’re converging, but on only one facet of the issue. Any path to serious gun control requires a constitutional amendment or a Supreme Court willing to re-open Heller. Only one pathway to that, and she’s made herself vulnerable by even talking it up.

i think my suggestions work within the current 2a and heller frameworks because they basically concede them both and focus on “control” by affixing personal responsbility

what do you see differently?

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 8:17:42am

re: #526 allegro

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 8:18:06am

re: #528 dangerman

i think my suggestions work within the current 2a and heller frameworks because they basically concede them both and focus on “control” by affixing personal responsbility

what do you see differently?

That’s the ‘converge’ part. Closing the sales issue is only a part. The weapons carried to Sandy Hook school were purchased and placed in reach of the shooter legally.

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Jenner7 Oct 10, 2016 • 8:18:49am

re: #525 darthstar

What stood out for me is that she had to reassure Muslim Americans that we won’t, you know, put them in camps or kick them out of their country.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 8:19:30am

BREAKING— @SpeakerRyan tells house republicans he won’t defend trump and will focus the next 29 days on keeping the house majority.

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 10, 2016

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Not knocking the scoop here, but it sounds like Ryan reframing what he’s been saying since Curiel. https://t.co/eYtzOTAuzA

— daveweigel (@daveweigel) October 10, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 10, 2016 • 8:19:34am

re: #523 Alyosha

Dobbed in by another Syrian.

Germany has certainly bitten off more than it can chew by taking on so many refugees, especially when other European countries are taking in very few or none at all.

I feel that no country that has taken in a smaller per-capita share of refugees has any right to criticize their policies, or even their lapses in security.

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 8:21:18am

BUT, BUT, 50 SHADES OF GRAY1!!1

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Decatur Deb Oct 10, 2016 • 8:22:30am

Late for the morning dogwalk. BBL

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allegro Oct 10, 2016 • 8:22:42am

re: #529 freetoken

That’s true. GOPers are having a miserable time right now. I shall weep a few tears… naw, no I won’t. Fuck those guys.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 8:22:52am

Yikes. When Clint Eastwood had an empty chair, he merely yelled at it. pic.twitter.com/0MGmPqS2B6

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) October 10, 2016

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 8:22:56am

Rage Furby gets mentioned by the AP: Trump ally paid sexual assault victim critical of Clinton

He’s probably fapping right now from seeing his name published.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 8:24:47am

presidential pic.twitter.com/8vEn5CT2y4

— Adam Khan (@Khanoisseur) October 10, 2016

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 8:25:14am

I think I may start a whole line of what I call “Uninspiration”:

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 8:26:12am

re: #537 FormerDirtDart

HILLARY: i told you he’d fuck the chair
TRUMP: *while fucking the chair* I never fucked the chair pic.twitter.com/QACRSry4SG

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 8:26:18am

re: #539 FormerDirtDart

Now that is a tweet that should be retweeted.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 8:27:35am

@JakeSherman By staying as far from the media as possible. @SpeakerRyan’s a coward and a fraud.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 10, 2016

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 8:28:09am

Female High School Kicker Drops The Boom On Kick Returner

Instagram

Kelly Macnamara, the first female kicker in North Penn High School’s history, breaks out the hit-stick. 😨 (via kellmac_/Twitter)

BOOM!

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Barefoot Grin Oct 10, 2016 • 8:29:40am

Former campaign manager for Ted Cruz, Rick Tyler, on Tamron Hall just now says what others here have said: this is not a presidential campaign anymore; it’s a post-presidential business proposition. The idea is to gin up as much anti-Clinton hatred as possible, bottle it as a movement from which to take over the RNC (and, I think he implied, use it through Trump’s media connections to make lots of money)—about as cynical as you can get.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 8:31:06am

re: #545 Barefoot Grin

Former campaign manager for Ted Cruz, Rick Tyler, on Tamron Hall just now says what others here have said: this is not a presidential campaign anymore; it’s a post-presidential business proposition. The idea is to gin up as much anti-Clinton hatred as possible, bottle it as a movement from which to take over the RNC (and, I think he implied, use it through Trump’s media connections to make lots of money)—about as cynical as you can get.

Holy crap, could you imagine Trump as head of the RNC?

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KGxvi Oct 10, 2016 • 8:32:46am

There are two things that Trump said last night that I find utterly amazing.

The first being that he said he’d direct the Attorney General to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Clintons’ “situation” and that if he were in charge she’d be in prison. As others have said, that’s the way that dictators operate. Forget for a moment that the Clintons have more or less been under investigation for 25 years, and that other than Bill lying under oath in a civil trial, they haven’t been found liable for any of the allegations against them. Telling a political opponent “you’ll be in prison after I win” is flat out the most disqualifying thing any ~~presidential~~ political nominee for any office could possibly say in a liberal democracy.

The second is something that doesn’t seem to have gotten much traction yet (and with all the crazy, I can understand why). Trump ripped the Iran deal, calling them a state sponsor of terrorism, I believe. Then, less than twenty minutes later, he suggested that the way we approach the Syrian Civil War is by allying with Assad’s regime in Syria, Putin’s Russia, and… wait for it… Iran, to fight ISIS. His answer to a complicated war is to ally with dictators, one of whom he believes is a state sponsor of terrorism and still secretly trying to get nuclear weapons.

As I said last night, what in the actual utter fuck?

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Alyosha Oct 10, 2016 • 8:32:50am

re: #533 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germany has certainly bitten off more than it can chew by taking on so many refugees, especially when other European countries are taking in very few or none at all.

I feel that no country that has taken in a smaller per-capita share of refugees has any right to criticize their policies, or even their lapses in security.

As Merkel, herself has accepted. It was always going to be a hard-sell and even if it was, in hindsight, the wrong or, more accurately, poorly-prepared decision (if for no other reason than it bolstered the right-wing and might ultimately cut her career short) it was still a matter of making a poor decision for the right reasons.

On that score I think she is admirable.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 8:34:49am

#TrumpTapes

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 8:35:11am

I hope you all aren’t ignoring my #525…you did watch the debate, right?

Okay…time to take the dog to the beach…foggy Monday! Love it. See you all later.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 10, 2016 • 8:36:43am

re: #547 KGxvi

There are two things that Trump said last night that I find utterly amazing.

The first being that he said he’d direct the Attorney General to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Clintons’ “situation” and that if he were in charge she’d be in prison. As others have said, that’s the way that dictators operate. Forget for a moment that the Clintons have more or less been under investigation for 25 years, and that other than Bill lying under oath in a civil trial, they haven’t been found liable for any of the allegations against them. Telling a political opponent “you’ll be in prison after I win” is flat out the most disqualifying thing any ~~presidential~~ political nominee for any office could possibly say in a liberal democracy.

The second is something that doesn’t seem to have gotten much traction yet (and with all the crazy, I can understand why). Trump ripped the Iran deal, calling them a state sponsor of terrorism, I believe. Then, less than twenty minutes later, he suggested that the way we approach the Syrian Civil War is by allying with Assad’s regime in Syria, Putin’s Russia, and… wait for it… Iran, to fight ISIS. His answer to a complicated war is to ally with dictators, one of whom he believes is a state sponsor of terrorism and still secretly trying to get nuclear weapons.

As I said last night, what in the actual utter fuck?

Someone helpfully posted Umberto Eco’s article “Ur-Fascism” upthread. One of the main points was that there is never the need for consistency (I think he used the term “beehive of contradictions”).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 10, 2016 • 8:36:59am

re: #548 Alyosha

As Merkel, herself has accepted. It was always going to be a hard-sell and even if it was, in hindsight, the wrong or, more accurately, poorly-prepared decision (if for no other reason than it bolstered the right-wing and might ultimately cut her career short) it was still a matter of making a poor decision for the right reasons.

On that score I think she is admirable.

Her career has lasted for quite some time now…longer than any US President (no term limits for German Chancellor). I think Germany made a mistake in not putting an upper limit on refugees, either in terms of absolute numbers or in terms of what percentage share of overall EU refugees.

People are taking cynical advantage of their hospitality and humanity.

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Alyosha Oct 10, 2016 • 8:37:49am

re: #548 Alyosha

I’ll put it another way: in decades to come we’ll hear of Germans who became citizens as a result of her actions, who have made extraordinary contributions to society and, whatever Merkel’s standing at that time, villain or mere-stateswoman, will say they owe their life to her.
That’s important, beyond the value judgements of her decision to admit a million into her country.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 10, 2016 • 8:38:30am

re: #550 darthstar

I hope you all aren’t ignoring my #525…you did watch the debate, right?

Okay…time to take the dog to the beach…foggy Monday! Love it. See you all later.

Too depressing to contemplate fully on this beautiful Indigenous Peoples Day. I thank you, though.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 8:41:33am

re: #549 Dr. Matt

In hate you for what you just made me think…

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Alyosha Oct 10, 2016 • 8:42:01am

re: #552 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Her career has lasted for quite some time now…longer than any US President (no term limits for German Chancellor). I think Germany made a mistake in not putting an upper limit on refugees, either in terms of absolute numbers or in terms of what percentage share of overall EU refugees.

People are taking cynical advantage of their hospitality and humanity.

I’m sure that’s true as well.
You don’t add a million-plus to your population and not encourage economic gamers too.
I like to think that there is a conscientious aknowledgement of Germany’s past transgressions in Merkel’s calculations as well.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 8:43:54am

John Boehner knows what Ryan’s going thru. @jbarro pic.twitter.com/KrQdSo7Cp3

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 10, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 10, 2016 • 8:46:18am

re: #556 Alyosha

I’m sure that’s true as well.
You don’t add a million-plus to your population and not encourage economic gamers too.
I like to think that there is a conscientious aknowledgement of Germany’s past transgressions in Merkel’s calculations as well.

The very first sentences of the first article of the German Constitution read: “Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.”

They have done an admirable job of living up to that.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 8:46:45am

I tried to ignore the debate as much as possible last night. Even with headphones on, I caught one thing.

Trump said something like “if he were POTUS, Hillary would be in jail.”

Those are the words of a King—someone who can circumvent the legal system.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 8:47:42am

re: #559 Birth Control Works

Yes. Or someone who thinks he should be king.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 8:47:47am

re: #530 Decatur Deb

That’s the ‘converge’ part. Closing the sales issue is only a part. The weapons carried to Sandy Hook school were purchased and placed in reach of the shooter legally.

gotcha
agreed

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b_sharp Oct 10, 2016 • 8:47:49am

re: #550 darthstar

I hope you all aren’t ignoring my #525…you did watch the debate, right?

Okay…time to take the dog to the beach…foggy Monday! Love it. See you all later.

Yes. I’m ignoring it.

Mostly because I have no understanding of its significance.

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 8:49:59am

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 8:50:57am

re: #562 b_sharp

Darth’s wondering if HRC said anything memorable that would stick out.

I get that. I think Trump’s hair-aflame Joker routine last night overwhelmed everything else. You remember what Trump said about imprisoning Clinton, shredding the constitution, etc., but it’s tougher to remember what Clinton said.

I think her comments about Muslims and inclusiveness was good, but lost in the Trump noise machine.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 8:51:39am

re: #547 KGxvi

There are two things that Trump said last night that I find utterly amazing.

The first being that he said he’d direct the Attorney General to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Clintons’ “situation” and that if he were in charge she’d be in prison. As others have said, that’s the way that dictators operate. Forget for a moment that the Clintons have more or less been under investigation for 25 years, and that other than Bill lying under oath in a civil trial, they haven’t been found liable for any of the allegations against them. Telling a political opponent “you’ll be in prison after I win” is flat out the most disqualifying thing any ~~presidential~~ political nominee for any office could possibly say in a liberal democracy.

The second is something that doesn’t seem to have gotten much traction yet (and with all the crazy, I can understand why). Trump ripped the Iran deal, calling them a state sponsor of terrorism, I believe. Then, less than twenty minutes later, he suggested that the way we approach the Syrian Civil War is by allying with Assad’s regime in Syria, Putin’s Russia, and… wait for it… Iran, to fight ISIS. His answer to a complicated war is to ally with dictators, one of whom he believes is a state sponsor of terrorism and still secretly trying to get nuclear weapons.

As I said last night, what in the actual utter fuck?

looking for logic in word salad

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sagehen Oct 10, 2016 • 8:52:09am

re: #530 Decatur Deb

That’s the ‘converge’ part. Closing the sales issue is only a part. The weapons carried to Sandy Hook school were purchased and placed in reach of the shooter legally.

We need to get rid of open carry.

A person walking down the street with multiple high-powered weapons… should attract attention and concern. It should be prima facie probable cause for a chat with the cops.

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Targetpractice Oct 10, 2016 • 8:54:16am

re: #564 lawhawk

Darth’s wondering if HRC said anything memorable that would stick out.

I get that. I think Trump’s hair-aflame Joker routine last night overwhelmed everything else. You remember what Trump said about imprisoning Clinton, shredding the constitution, etc., but it’s tougher to remember what Clinton said.

I think her comments about Muslims and inclusiveness was good, but lost in the Trump noise machine.

Which is a good point, her performance was good last night but hardly memorable. As I’ve seen noted elsewhere, last night was mostly prevent defense for her, keep Trump from landing any crippling blows so that he could arrest his fall. She succeeded in my opinion, but I’m sure there will be editorials all week about how she needed to deal Trump a knock-out blow, that she came off as “defensive” and thus “insincere/dishonest.”

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 8:54:54am

re: #559 Birth Control Works

Here is something I saved from earlier this year. littlegreenfootballs.com

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 8:55:21am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 10, 2016 • 8:55:21am

re: #566 sagehen

We need to get rid of open carry.

A person walking down the street with multiple high-powered weapons… should attract attention and concern. It should be prima facie probable cause for a chat with the cops.

If person is black, then just walking down the street is enough probable cause to be stopped…

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Alyosha Oct 10, 2016 • 8:55:44am

re: #558 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The very first sentence of the first article of the German Constitution reads: “Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.”

They have done an admirable job of living up to that.

I like it :)

Ours, as you Yanks might know is:

‘Disrespect of the Boot is a bootable offense.’

Harsh but fair.
*stands up as our awful anthem warbles out of crackling speakers*

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 8:55:45am

re: #567 Targetpractice

Which is a good point, her performance was good last night but hardly memorable. As I’ve seen noted elsewhere, last night was mostly prevent defense for her, keep Trump from landing any crippling blows so that he could arrest his fall. She succeeded in my opinion, but I’m sure there will be editorials all week about how she needed to deal Trump a knock-out blow, that she came off as “defensive” and thus “insincere/dishonest.”

clinton acts presidental, intelligent, calm, reserved
trump doesnt walk off stage

what courage! trump win!

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 8:56:49am

Flipping through the TV channels and Sirius channels earlier today, the media was making a huge stink saying the entire debate was an unbecoming shitshow (my words). Indeed, Trump’s complete disrespect for the process was on display last night which overshadowed the many meaningful and important points Hillary made especially on improving the ACA, unity in this country, taxes, Syria, etc., etc., Our media is completely and utterly inept.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 8:56:51am

And, it sure ain’t Donald…

.@ForeignPolicy endorses a presidential candidate for the first time: https://t.co/stX40WayUc pic.twitter.com/wN3MdX6F5Y

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) October 10, 2016

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 8:57:21am

re: #568 PhillyPretzel

Here is something I saved from earlier this year. littlegreenfootballs.com

yes, yes!

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 8:58:35am

re: #570 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Tamir Rice and John Crawford show that open carry is not applicable to minorities. Rice playing with a toy gun was a death sentence even though Ohio has open carry. He had moments to respond to cops arriving on the scene before they shot him dead.

John Crawford was handling a bb gun in a Walmart, and was shot dead, even though he was in an open carry state.

Meanwhile, white guys were able to walk down the street. Naw, screw that - entitled white guys were able to train their high powered rifles on federal law enforcement out in Nevada and weren’t even arrested at the time (Bundy ranch welfare queen militia nuts).

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 8:59:04am

Clinton has been preparing to be POTUS for -what 55 years?

Trump has been doing it for - 6 months?

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 8:59:57am

Pat Robertson: Trump was “trying to look like he’s macho” by bragging about grabbing women by the pussy.

The TV preacher argued that Trump was like the mythical Phoenix because he had performed well at the debate just days after the leak of a video tape, in which the Republican nominee bragged that he could grab women “by the pussy” without their permission because he was a star.

“A guy does something 11 years ago, it was a conversation in Hollywood where he’s trying to look like he’s macho,” Robertson said. “And 11 years after that they surface it from The Washington Post or whatever, bring it out within 30 days or so of the election and this is supposed to be the death blow and everybody rights him off, ‘Okay, he’s dead, now you’ve got to get out of the way and let Mike Pence run the campaign.’”

It’s amazing….conservatives will indeed defend any behavior from their candidates.

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Belafon Oct 10, 2016 • 9:00:13am

re: #544 Dr. Matt

Female High School Kicker Drops The Boom On Kick Returner

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BOOM!

I would like to see how her teammates celebrated afterwards.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 9:00:30am

re: #576 lawhawk

Tamir Rice and John Crawford show that open carry is not applicable to minorities. Rice playing with a toy gun was a death sentence even though Ohio has open carry. He had moments to respond to cops arriving on the scene before they shot him dead.

John Crawford was handling a bb gun in a Walmart, and was shot dead, even though he was in an open carry state.

Meanwhile, white guys were able to walk down the street. Naw, screw that - entitled white guys were able to train their high powered rifles on federal law enforcement out in Nevada and weren’t even arrested at the time (Bundy ranch welfare queen militia nuts).

There are a series of YouTube videos showing actual set-ups of open carry scenerios—without fail law enforcement arrests the black man with extreme force and most often questions and commiserates with the white man.

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 9:00:36am

re: #574 FormerDirtDart

Doesn’t this just prove that Hillary is a tool of the Globalists?

(just asking for a friend…)

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Jenner7 Oct 10, 2016 • 9:01:05am

JUST IN: New NBC/WSJ poll *post-tape*:

2-WAY
Clinton 52
Trump 38

4-WAY
Clinton 46
Trump 35
Johnson 9
Stein 2

Oct 8-9 (pre-debate) +/-4.6%

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 10, 2016

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:01:16am

re: #574 FormerDirtDart

And, it sure ain’t Donald…

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there will be no way to historically spin that the first female major party (democratic) candidate (etc) received the unprecedented endorsements of ___ major, and generally republican/conservative leaning publications

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Targetpractice Oct 10, 2016 • 9:01:28am

re: #572 dangerman

clinton acts presidental, intelligent, calm, reserved
trump doesnt walk off stage

what courage! trump win!

Pyrrhic victory at best. By getting her on the defense, he said a lot of shit that will only further hurt his campaign. Within an hour of the debate’s end, already pundits were remarking about how he promised to jail Hillary, was blaming Muslims for Islamaphobia, treating all black folks as living in inner city ghettos, and so forth. He gets style points, but this wasn’t Nixon/Kennedy or Reagan/Carter. He isn’t going to get to the White House because he’s more comfortable spewing bullshit.

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Franklin Oct 10, 2016 • 9:02:10am

re: #577 Birth Control Works

Clinton has been preparing to be POTUS for -what 55 years?

Trump has been doing it for - 6 months?

No, he’s had attempts at a run dating back to 1988:

tvguide.com

Which makes his grasp of the ~~political process~~ basic civics that much worse.

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Targetpractice Oct 10, 2016 • 9:02:43am

re: #582 Jenner7

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But all the online polls I voted on say he won!!!

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:02:47am

re: #577 Birth Control Works

Clinton has been preparing to be POTUS for -what 55 years?

Trump has been doing it for - 6 months?

he doesnt even prepare for debates so assumes facts not in evidence anywhere

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 9:03:29am

re: #577 Birth Control Works

Clinton has been preparing to be POTUS for -what 55 years?

Trump has been doing it for - 6 months?

I like that Hillary detailed the many accomplishments of her 30 years in public sector. I really wish once she contrasted that Trump has spent zero minutes dedicating his life to public service.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:03:41am

re: #578 Dr. Matt

Pat Robertson: Trump was “trying to look like he’s macho” by bragging about grabbing women by the pussy.

It’s amazing….conservatives will indeed defend any behavior from their candidates.

a hillary win = loss of power

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 9:03:41am

re: #587 dangerman

He is trying to fly by the seat of his pants and it is not working.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:04:29am

re: #579 Belafon

I would like to see how her teammates celebrated afterwards.

mutual slaps on the butt?
dont hurt me

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 9:05:16am

re: #578 Dr. Matt

It’s amazing….conservatives will indeed defend any behavior from their candidates.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 10, 2016 • 9:05:30am

I watched the movie “Hell or High Water” yesterday. It’s really good—Jeff Bridges was excellent. It was about two west-Texas brothers who rob banks to pay off a reverse mortgage their now-deceased mother had taken out on the family farm. One brother tries very hard to keep violence to a minimum, but in one encounter a security guard fires on them. They kill him and then a citizen who tries to shoot them. A subtext was how carrying can just as likely get the “good guy” killed as the “bad guy”. I don’t know if this was the director’s intent, but it came off as fairly realistic.

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Timothy Watson Oct 10, 2016 • 9:09:24am

I wasn’t on here much last night, but has anyone mentioned how absurd it was for Trump to say that Hillary hadn’t done anything about health care in 30 years?

Do these people not remember the RWNJs ranting about “Hillarycare” in the ’90s?

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:10:34am

re: #588 Dr. Matt

I like that Hillary detailed the many accomplishments of her 30 years in public sector. I really wish once she contrasted that Trump has spent zero minutes dedicating his life to public service.

this
so many times this

she’s walked up every rung and dodged incoming fire at the same time

he’s using a catapult

if he really wanted to “sacrifice”, hed have cut his “allowance” all those years back and put his workers and contractors first.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 9:10:56am

BREAKING: Clinton leads Trump by 14 points — NBC/WSJ poll (Oct. 8-9)

2-way
Clinton 52
Trump 38

4-way
Clinton 46
Trump 35
Johnson 9
Stein 2

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) October 10, 2016

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That’s just one poll, but it’s one suggesting that HRC broke through the 50% level, while Trump’s sagging. Would have to see the crosstabs to know what’s going on here.

One poll is interesting, but I’m seeing some other polls showing Clinton with a solid lead.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 9:11:50am

I have a graphic I made, but not sure if I should publish —the Private Comment button doesn’t include a the image upload. I tried to cut and paste and drag and drop.

Is there anyway to put a graphic in a private comment or otherewise share?

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 9:11:53am

Exclusive footage of Republicans after latest poll results:https://t.co/zJ0H2Z4X5P

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) October 10, 2016

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 9:12:46am

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:12:49am

re: #592 Birth Control Works

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still, that doesnt make those husbands *not* pigs.

i’m working on a theme here

(*apologies to the ~~hairy, pot bellied, swine~~, sigh 4 legged ones)

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 9:14:41am

re: #596 lawhawk

Which is exactly why the many Republicans started to bail on Drumpfskind starting Friday night.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 9:15:06am

Athletes To Trump: What Kind Of Locker Room Are You Spending Time In?

Hahaha, “locker room talk.” Like that fucking inflatable clown dummy would ever make it in a legit locker room.

— Chris Kluwe (@ChrisWarcraft) October 10, 2016

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As an athlete, I’ve been in locker rooms my entire adult life and uh, that’s not locker room talk.

— Sean Doolittle (@whatwouldDOOdo) October 10, 2016

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PSA: sexual advances without consent is NOT locker room talk.

— Kendall Marshall (@KButter5) October 10, 2016

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 9:15:09am

Not surprisingly, a campaign including a potential first woman president is teaching us regarding mysoginy what ‘08 taught us about racism.

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) October 10, 2016

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Namely, that the things we as Americans tell ourselves are dead and buried in our national character are very much alive. https://t.co/mlwMd4UrJd

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) October 10, 2016

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 9:16:45am

I’m having way too much fun with the meme generator.

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 9:18:05am

re: #602 Dr. Matt

Athletes To Trump: What Kind Of Locker Room Are You Spending Time In?

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Inflatable clown dummy ftw.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 9:18:26am

This is what it takes to get a woman elected in this country —her opponent has to be utterly unqualified and unsuited.

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Targetpractice Oct 10, 2016 • 9:19:30am

re: #596 lawhawk

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That’s just one poll, but it’s one suggesting that HRC broke through the 50% level, while Trump’s sagging. Would have to see the crosstabs to know what’s going on here.

One poll is interesting, but I’m seeing some other polls showing Clinton with a solid lead.

If this poll is a herald of future polls, then two major developments have happened. First is that Clinton has managed to crack 50%, and second is 40% is no longer Trump’s floor.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 9:19:32am

Paul Ryan Will No Longer Defend Donald Trump

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 9:19:50am

re: #602 Dr. Matt

Athletes To Trump: What Kind Of Locker Room Are You Spending Time In?

Penn State? Baylor? /too soon?!

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:22:06am

re: #606 Birth Control Works

This is what it takes to get a woman elected in this country —her opponent has to be utterly unqualified and unsuited.

*sometimes* it helps to use an extreme example to get the point across

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 9:22:08am

Feeling very good about this. Hopefully we see a downticket effect. I’m not too worried about the Senate polls. Senate polls seem tougher to predict. There always seems to be a couple surprises in the Senate results. I remember we won a seat in North Dakota in 2012 for example.

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Franklin Oct 10, 2016 • 9:23:00am

re: #605 HappyWarrior

Inflatable clown dummy ftw.

Yep, Chris Kluwe is farking awesome. I’m a big fan of his, and he’s a fan of Charles if I’m not mistaken.

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 9:23:50am

re: #612 Franklin

Yep, Chris Kluwe is farking awesome. I’m a big fan of his, and he’s a fan of Charles if I’m not mistaken.

It is nice see to see athletes calling him out. I liked Lebron’s written endorsement of Clinton we saw last week. Very well written and from the heart.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:24:19am

re: #608 Birth Control Works

Paul Ryan Will No Longer Defend Donald Trump

wont withdraw his endorsement
wont vote for the “D”

has he said the man’s a pig? i’m not sure.

(*apologies to the ~~hairy, pot bellied, swine~~, sigh 4 legged ones)

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Targetpractice Oct 10, 2016 • 9:25:32am

Actually think that Hillary being above 50% is not as big as Trump falling below 40%. If that holds through to Election Night, then Trump would be the first candidate to lose by less than 40% of the PV since Bush Sr in ‘92.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 9:26:30am

re: #589 dangerman

a hillary win = loss of ~~power~~ penis

FTFY.

That’s what it comes down to for misogynists. If a woman has power over them, they feel emasculated.

And POTUS? Yeah, in the USA, that’s pretty much the highest power there is. She gets elected, and we’re gonna be hearing OMG HILLARY CLINTON HAS STOLEN MY JOHN THOMAS!!! from the usual suspects, Pat Robertson being one of them among many.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 9:27:59am

Warren Buffett responds to Trump, on taxes:#debates pic.twitter.com/9T5Ov6MRir

— Carl Quintanilla (@carlquintanilla) October 10, 2016

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Belafon Oct 10, 2016 • 9:30:10am

re: #606 Birth Control Works

This is what it takes to get a woman elected in this country —her opponent has to be utterly unqualified and unsuited.

Not really. Remember, what it took to keep her from becoming president was the most charismatic candidate in a really long time.

Trump isn’t a representation of what it takes for a woman to win. He’s a representation of what misogynists and white supremacists think it takes to beat her. And they are wrong.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 9:30:23am

re: #612 Franklin

Yep, Chris Kluwe is farking awesome. I’m a big fan of his, and he’s a fan of Charles if I’m not mistaken.

He’s solid. Smart, well-tempered, and sarcastic. About a year ago he retweeted something I wrote and I gained like 50 followers overnight.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 9:30:43am

re: #617 FormerDirtDart

Thank you Warren Buffet for putting your cards on the table. It is a pity that the uncouth one won’t follow your example.

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 9:32:35am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 10, 2016 • 9:33:19am

I am a hetero American male. Father of four kids, even. And I would never consider continuing to make any sort of sexual advances toward a woman who was not receptive or responsive for any reason. Nor would I be interested in having sex with a woman who was not completely willing or (at least slightly) interested in me as a person, and not just to advance her personal or financial situation.

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Timothy Watson Oct 10, 2016 • 9:34:09am

re: #611 HappyWarrior

Feeling very good about this. Hopefully we see a downticket effect. I’m not too worried about the Senate polls. Senate polls seem tougher to predict. There always seems to be a couple surprises in the Senate results. I remember we won a seat in North Dakota in 2012 for example.

I hope that Trump’s antics contaminate the GOP down-ticket for moderates/independents and maybe the die-hard Trump fans will also end up not supporting the GOP down ticket because they betrayed the God Emperor.

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Timothy Watson Oct 10, 2016 • 9:35:17am

Corey Stewart and the Virginia Women for Trump will be protesting out in front of the RNC Headquarters today at 2 PM.
WHERE: Republican National Committee Headquarters
ADDRESS: 310 First Street SE, Washington, D.C.
TIME: 2:00pm

To schedule an interview, email mbrown@coreystewart.com or call[no phone numbers allowed].

Stewart for Governor
P.O. Box 2128
Woodbridge, VA 22195
info@coreystewart.com

Authorized and paid for by Stewart for Governor

It begins.

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Birth Control Works Oct 10, 2016 • 9:35:43am

bbl

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 9:36:49am

re: #623 Timothy Watson

I am reminded of what a former speaker of the house once said, “All politics is local.” Tip O’Neil was correct then as well as now.

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makeitstop Oct 10, 2016 • 9:37:14am

re: #617 FormerDirtDart

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Buffett hands Trump his ass once again.

Bold prediction: Trump will not react to this at all. Buffett scares him.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 9:37:34am

re: #624 Timothy Watson

It begins.

Yep, and it’s only gonna get worse. These are the opening salvoes of the GOP civil war.

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Timothy Watson Oct 10, 2016 • 9:38:32am

re: #628 Dr Lizardo

Yep, and it’s only gonna get worse. These are the opening salvoes of the GOP civil war.

Why do I have the sudden urge to play the Reagan Administration and sell weapons to both sides?

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Barefoot Grin Oct 10, 2016 • 9:39:40am

re: #627 makeitstop

Buffett hands Trump his ass once again.

Bold prediction: Trump will not react to this at all. Buffett scares him.

Yep, he’s intimidated by genuine business people with tremendous wealth.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 9:41:22am

re: #630 Barefoot Grin

Keep in mind that Warren Buffet still drives his 20+year old car and lives in Omaha.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 10, 2016 • 9:42:50am

re: #631 PhillyPretzel

Keep in mind that Warren Buffet still drives his 20+year old car and lives in Omaha.

Yes, I forgot to add “integrity” to the list.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 9:43:19am

re: #631 PhillyPretzel

Had Trump invested in Berkshire Hathaway instead of his casinos, airlines, etc., it’s likely Trump would be actually a billionaire like Buffet, instead of preening like one without any evidence to back it up. /half

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:44:04am

re: #621 freetoken

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im not going after these guys/gals

just the male chauvinist kind

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freetoken Oct 10, 2016 • 9:45:35am

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HappyWarrior Oct 10, 2016 • 9:46:31am

re: #624 Timothy Watson

It begins.

The GOP primary for governor here is going to be interesting. I think Stewart could well be the nominee since I think Wittman and Gillespie will split the “moderate” R vote.

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dangerman Oct 10, 2016 • 9:46:46am

re: #633 lawhawk

Had Trump invested in Berkshire Hathaway instead of his casinos, airlines, etc., it’s likely Trump would be actually a billionaire like Buffet, instead of preening like one without any evidence to back it up. /half

Trump Taj Mahal closes after years of losses

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 10, 2016 • 9:47:00am

re: #633 lawhawk

Had Trump invested in Berkshire Hathaway instead of his casinos, airlines, etc., it’s likely Trump would be actually a billionaire like Buffet, instead of preening like one without any evidence to back it up. /half

But he would not have gained the notoriety to fund an Presidential campaign almost entirely on free news media coverage.

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Romantic Heretic Oct 10, 2016 • 9:48:28am

re: #546 Dr Lizardo

Holy crap, could you imagine Trump as head of the RNC?

Yes, I can.

MUSSOLINI SPEECH-NAPOLI 1931

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 9:50:22am

re: #639 Romantic Heretic

::: grabbing Voter Registration Form and changing party affiliation :::
/half

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ObserverArt Oct 10, 2016 • 9:53:22am

re: #515 freetoken

I know this is sounding like an early morning rant by an old curmudgeon, but I am not very confident that the Democratic leadership is really up to the job we face.

You know what it sounds like to me. It sounds like you are giving up before anything is even settled. Also you are seeing everything through your age and the experiences that folks our age have gone through and allowed. I can see how that can happen.

It may be that way, but it does not need to remain that way.

There is eventually going to be a time when enough citizens in this country grow tired of how their government is being run. I think we are very near that time. I think it is all stuck between two generations. Eventually the elders are going to lose control by the numbers and much of the Republican party is going to go with them. That could break the logjam as much as anything. Hopefully it also breaks the thinking in the Democratic party that created the “we will just lose again” attitude. I am not denying it exists, I am saying it has to change.

Then all the younger people that are clamoring for big change will get their chance with their politicians. You can see and feel it coming.

My hope is that Hillary senses it too and starts things down that road by using the younger people and women, two groups that will play a big role in this election. And if she is smart, she will make everyone very aware that if they want their revolution they need revolutionaries and they come from young congress people. She needs to hammer that big time. And if she does a good job of selling that she could well turn the house around in the midterms and it may give her 8 years.

Lots of work to do. I’m 62 and I am hopeful. It may not be me, doing the change, but I am not going piss on the dreams and hopes of someone’s future by complaining about the crap my generation has put American politics through.

Some of “My Generation” died when they got old, even if they didn’t physically die. They died on this country by becoming selfish yuppie consumers that didn’t do anything for the future as they were too busy getting theirs.

My take anyway. And Trump is the epitome of the yuppie of my generation and the people that back him are all products of that thinking. There are and should be a lot of people learning about the thinking that created the current Republican party and Trump is a pure reflection of it.

I’m going to hope for the change that will come by the need for it.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 9:55:55am

About that NBC poll above…. it may actually undercount how well HRC is doing. It undersampled Latinos by a wide margin.

That NBC poll where Clinton is up double digits? It was 75 percent white, 71 percent non-hispanic white. pic.twitter.com/gHKCIeuWWX

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) October 10, 2016

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Again, this is a reason to not look at any one poll, but to take a bunch of polls taken during the same time period for comparison. Demographics and deviations from what’s expected to be turnout drives poll results - whether it’s that LAT poll that tracks the same group over time, or random sample polls taken regularly by AP, Reuters, PPP, Rasmussen, etc., and whoever gets the demographics right will be more likely to predict the outcome with accuracy.

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Timothy Watson Oct 10, 2016 • 9:56:44am

re: #636 HappyWarrior

The GOP primary for governor here is going to be interesting. I think Stewart could well be the nominee since I think Wittman and Gillespie will split the “moderate” R vote.

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Skip Intro Oct 10, 2016 • 9:58:50am

re: #549 Dr. Matt

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“Remember, I was there first Jared”.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 9:58:51am

re: #644 Timothy Watson

Just remember the old saying “May you live in interesting times.” My personal preference is dull, boring and uninteresting.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 10:02:36am

Unable to win your home state is not a good sign when trying to become president. Trump has a 0.4% chance of winning NY. That’s not a typo….it’s a zero point four percent chance.

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Romantic Heretic Oct 10, 2016 • 10:03:26am

re: #594 Timothy Watson

I wasn’t on here much last night, but has anyone mentioned how absurd it was for Trump to say that Hillary hadn’t done anything about health care in 30 years?

Do these people not remember the RWNJs ranting about “Hillarycare” in the ’90s?

Most of them are so stoned on fear, anger and hate they don’t even remember last week.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 10:04:29am

re: #647 Dr. Matt

That is because New Yorkers can remember this which I posted earlier in this thread.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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ObserverArt Oct 10, 2016 • 10:07:16am

re: #564 lawhawk

Darth’s wondering if HRC said anything memorable that would stick out.

I get that. I think Trump’s hair-aflame Joker routine last night overwhelmed everything else. You remember what Trump said about imprisoning Clinton, shredding the constitution, etc., but it’s tougher to remember what Clinton said.

I think her comments about Muslims and inclusiveness was good, but lost in the Trump noise machine.

I think she did fine by letting him rant. The noise got very noisy and now America gets some quiet time to break it all down. It will not be pretty. I expect his numbers in the polls to go down even more.

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Joe Bacon Oct 10, 2016 • 10:09:56am

Meanwhile, The Asshole is coming to my home town today to my old high school. The idiot Principal will not close the school for the day even though the rally is scheduled to begin while school is in session!

The Police Chief asked parents to keep their children home, but he is being blasted by the fucking Trumpettes.

pittsburgh.cbslocal.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat Oct 10, 2016 • 10:10:04am

We must be living in the Star Trek alternate Universe.

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makeitstop Oct 10, 2016 • 10:11:55am

re: #652 Eric The Fruit Bat

We must be living in the Star Trek alternate Universe.

And we all have goatees.

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 10:13:33am

re: #653 makeitstop

And we all have goatees.

HOLY SHIT I’VE BEEN LIVING IN THE ALTERNATE UNIVERSE FOR 30 YEARS!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 10, 2016 • 10:14:32am

re: #652 Eric The Fruit Bat

We must be living in the Star Trek alternate Universe.

I want me an Evil Horn Dog!!!

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gwangung Oct 10, 2016 • 10:14:38am

re: #650 ObserverArt

I think she did fine by letting him rant. The noise got very noisy and now America gets some quiet time to break it all down. It will not be pretty. I expect his numbers in the polls to go down even more.

Male primates thought he won. Female primates didn’t.

No content there for a lot of folks….just appealing to the backbrain.

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ObserverArt Oct 10, 2016 • 10:14:48am

re: #597 Birth Control Works

I have a graphic I made, but not sure if I should publish —the Private Comment button doesn’t include a the image upload. I tried to cut and paste and drag and drop.

Is there anyway to put a graphic in a private comment or otherewise share?

Add your image code outside the private area like you are making a regular comment. Then copy and paste it inside the private area and wipe out the original code. Be sure to check your work in preview to make sure you have it correct.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 10:15:16am

Iraqi Citizens Urge Parliament to setup JASTA-style law to sue the United States pic.twitter.com/KYtAFptmgN

— Saudi Embassy (@SaudiEmbassyUSA) October 10, 2016

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Oops https://t.co/DNZlCX9EaC

— paul mcleary (@paulmcleary) October 10, 2016

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Joe Bacon Oct 10, 2016 • 10:15:35am

re: #641 ObserverArt

You know what it sounds like to me. It sounds like you are giving up before anything is even settled. Also you are seeing everything through your age and the experiences that folks our age have gone through and allowed. I can see how that can happen.

It may be that way, but it does not need to remain that way.

There is eventually going to be a time when enough citizens in this country grow tired of how their government is being run. I think we are very near that time. I think it is all stuck between two generations. Eventually the elders are going to lose control by the numbers and much of the Republican party is going to go with them. That could break the logjam as much as anything. Hopefully it also breaks the thinking in the Democratic party that created the “we will just lose again” attitude. I am not denying it exists, I am saying it has to change.

Then all the younger people that are clamoring for big change will get their chance with their politicians. You can see and feel it coming.

My hope is that Hillary senses it too and starts things down that road by using the younger people and women, two groups that will play a big role in this election. And if she is smart, she will make everyone very aware that if they want their revolution they need revolutionaries and they come from young congress people. She needs to hammer that big time. And if she does a good job of selling that she could well turn the house around in the midterms and it may give her 8 years.

Lots of work to do. I’m 62 and I am hopeful. It may not be me, doing the change, but I am not going piss on the dreams and hopes of someone’s future by complaining about the crap my generation has put American politics through.

Some of “My Generation” died when they got old, even if they didn’t physically die. They died on this country by becoming selfish yuppie consumers that didn’t do anything for the future as they were too busy getting theirs.

My take anyway. And Trump is the epitome of the yuppie of my generation and the people that back him are all products of that thinking. There are and should be a lot of people learning about the thinking that created the current Republican party and Trump is a pure reflection of it.

I’m going to hope for the change that will come by the need for it.

I will tell you what I’m afraid of.

Trump won’t concede that he lost the election, he will call out his goon squads.

24 Texas GOP county committees have called for secession. Abbot, Patrick and their ilk will move for Texas to secede from the US.

Republicans will still control the House and block anything Hillary tries.

Texas secession starts a domino effect as other States leave.

The US breaks into pieces the same way the USSR did.

This gives Putin a blank check to do whatever he wants.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 10:16:35am

re: #654 Dr Lizardo

Mirror mirror….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 10, 2016 • 10:17:19am

re: #658 FormerDirtDart

Iraqi Citizens Urge Parliament to setup JASTA-style law to sue the United States

We were told they would throw flowers, instead, they are chucking turd blossoms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 10, 2016 • 10:19:14am

re: #659 Joe Bacon

I will tell you what I’m afraid of.

Trump won’t concede that he lost the election, he will call out his goon squads.

24 Texas GOP county committees have called for secession. Abbot, Patrick and their ilk will move for Texas to secede from the US.

Republicans will still control the House and block anything Hillary tries.

Texas secession starts a domino effect as other States leave.

The US breaks into pieces the same way the USSR did.

This gives Putin a blank check to do whatever he wants.

I also fear an 1860-style scenario which leaves America weakened. And although I think we can stave off the Coming of the Idiocracy for another term or two, we have already demonstrated that much of America is ripe for it.

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ObserverArt Oct 10, 2016 • 10:19:58am

re: #606 Birth Control Works

This is what it takes to get a woman elected in this country —her opponent has to be utterly unqualified and unsuited.

Sadly yes. But I look at it like the real world.

Oftentimes men screw stuff up and it takes a woman to come in and clean up the mess, settle the children and turn it around.

And in Hillary’s case, I’m hoping she wins and then she does a nice job and demonstrates from now on it is not a bad idea to have a woman as president. In fact it might be a good thing and needed for a while.

Maybe she gets men to climb down off their high horse and get real again.

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Kragar Oct 10, 2016 • 10:20:48am

This is what “toxic masculinity” looks like

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 10, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 10:20:57am

While I don’t see how one could by ice cream from a company called “Turkey Hill”,
if you happen to have done so…

Turkey Hill recalling some mislabeled packages of ice cream that could contain almond or egg ingredients. https://t.co/hQXID8L3SZ pic.twitter.com/g2rYJXNb3q

— ABC News (@ABC) October 10, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 10, 2016 • 10:25:21am

Wow, we are all doomsday scenario-ing this morning.

I mean, I get that it’s Monday, but the world really isn’t ending, I promise.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Oct 10, 2016 • 10:25:27am

The Weekly Standard: The Debate’s Biggest Loser Was the GOP
Trump does just well enough to doom Republicans on November 8.

There is one important sense in which Donald Trump “won” the debate on Sunday night: He did not implode. He wasn’t “good,” or attractive, or knowledgeable. He was coarse and whiny and unpleasant. He lied constantly. And he became the first presidential candidate in the history of our Republic to promise that if elected he would attempt to have his opponent face criminal prosecution. Actually, he went a bit further than that, telling Clinton that if he is president, “You’d be in jail.” Which, by the by, should terrify you and be disqualifying all on its own.

But Trump didn’t have a psychotic break onstage. And clearing that bar might be enough to keep Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, and Reince Priebus from publicly disavowing his candidacy this week.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what a win looks like for Trump these days.

We stand at a moment in history where dozens of Republican representatives, senators, and governors have not only publicly vowed not to vote for the Republican nominee but have called on him to vacate the nomination. Where four weeks before Election Day, one-in-four Republican voters want their nominee to drop out of the race. (And that number is almost certain to rise over the next week.)

This is unprecedented. And catastrophic. Before the “grab them by the pus—y” tape, Trump was already down by five points with only four weeks to go. He was behind in Florida. Ditto North Carolina. His deficit in Pennsylvania was nearly double digits.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 10:26:02am

re: #564 lawhawk

Yes, and thank you.

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Jenner7 Oct 10, 2016 • 10:27:12am

Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 10, 2016

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Teukka Oct 10, 2016 • 10:27:13am

re: #546 Dr Lizardo

Holy crap, could you imagine Trump as head of the RNC?

I could totally imagine the Trump base in the GOP blaming back-stabbers and traitors in the party, purging the party of disloyal elemunts while electing Trump as their ~~Füh~~leader.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 10:27:42am

re: #531 Jenner7

What stood out for me is that she had to reassure Muslim Americans that we won’t, you know, put them in camps or kick them out of their country.

Excellent. Thanks.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 10:28:25am

Presidential Candidate Pence is talking on MSNBC right now.

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lawhawk Oct 10, 2016 • 10:28:28am

re: #668 darthstar

I’d actually thinking that Clinton might take Trump’s last comments - that Clinton is a fighter and doesn’t quit and turn that into an ad for her. She couldn’t have asked for a better quip to end on.

And that comes after Trump spent the better part of the past 6 weeks claiming that Clinton was weak, ill, and lacked sta-mi-nah.

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Joe Bacon Oct 10, 2016 • 10:28:49am

re: #664 Kragar

That is precisely what I expected that Ayn Rand worshipping Pulpit Pimp to say.

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Joe Bacon Oct 10, 2016 • 10:30:56am

re: #666 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wish I could agree but the big winner last night was Putin. He’s succeeded where the Soviet leadership failed. He’s successfully setting up a mass movement to destabilize the United States.

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Dr. Matt Oct 10, 2016 • 10:31:12am

BOO!

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Huge white shark, photograph by~ @calypsostarcharters

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 10:31:12am

re: #670 Teukka

I could totally imagine the Trump base in the GOP blaming back-stabbers and traitors in the party, purging the party of disloyal elemunts while electing Trump as their ~~Füh~~leader.

I can see that too. The 21st Century American version of the Dolchstoßlegende.

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ObserverArt Oct 10, 2016 • 10:32:03am

re: #666 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Wow, we are all doomsday scenario-ing this morning.

I mean, I get that it’s Monday, but the world really isn’t ending, I promise.

I’m not even going to touch that type of thinking. I happen to believe there are way more people that will never let those scenarios occur.

They just don’t have the big mouths of some of the people being seen as the types that would do stuff like secede.

Yes, there is a silent majority. They can get loud fast when needed.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 10:33:29am

re: #673 lawhawk

I’d actually thinking that Clinton might take Trump’s last comments - that Clinton is a fighter and doesn’t quit and turn that into an ad for her. She couldn’t have asked for a better quip to end on.

And that comes after Trump spent the better part of the past 6 weeks claiming that Clinton was weak, ill, and lacked sta-mi-nah.

I thought it was interesting that, on the last question, he gave what was the most direct and concise answer yet in any of the debates. Can I say something nice about her? Yes, here you go. It wasn’t just a quip, it was an acknowledgement. Not to overwork Michelle Obama’s line about going high when they go low as Hillary used it in the context of slamming Trump, but it was the first time in the last year Trump actually took a respectful tone…toward any of his opponents.

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Kragar Oct 10, 2016 • 10:33:44am

re: #669 Jenner7

You should spend more time preparing your defense for your multiple trials and not waste time running your failed campaign @realDonaldTrump

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 10, 2016

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wrenchwench Oct 10, 2016 • 10:33:47am

re: #666 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Wow, we are all doomsday scenario-ing this morning.

I mean, I get that it’s Monday, but the world really isn’t ending, I promise.

Posted at #666!!

GASP!

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ObserverArt Oct 10, 2016 • 10:34:02am

re: #673 lawhawk

I’d actually thinking that Clinton might take Trump’s last comments - that Clinton is a fighter and doesn’t quit and turn that into an ad for her. She couldn’t have asked for a better quip to end on.

And that comes after Trump spent the better part of the past 6 weeks claiming that Clinton was weak, ill, and lacked sta-mi-nah.

And she did a nice job of not giving him anything he can use. Don’t tell me she can’t think quick. She thought of a way not to pump his ego up and feed it to his backers.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 10, 2016 • 10:34:22am

re: #681 wrenchwench

Posted at #666!!

GASP!

You unmasked me, I am the devil incarnate.

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Teukka Oct 10, 2016 • 10:34:25am

re: #677 Dr Lizardo

I can see that too. The 21st Century American version of the Dolchstoßlegende.

And the 21^st Century American version of the Nacht der langen Messer. Basically, rebadge and reboot of something old and very evil.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 10, 2016 • 10:34:37am

@kkondik RCP national polls averages (comparison):
10/11/2012 - Obama +1.5
10/11/2016 - Clinton +5.9

— Dennis VanLangen (@bennie2128) October 10, 2016

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 10:36:36am

re: #684 Teukka

And the 21^st Century American version of the Nacht der langen Messer. Basically, rebadge and reboot of something old and very evil.

Yeah, we’re seeing that one getting started in the GOP. After the election, I figure it’s going to accelerate exponentially.

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darthstar Oct 10, 2016 • 10:37:15am

re: #676 Dr. Matt

BOO!

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GET IN MAH BELLY!

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Dr Lizardo Oct 10, 2016 • 10:37:43am

re: #683 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You unmasked me, I am the devil incarnate.

Anton La Vey, is that you? I thought you were dead!!

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Belafon Oct 10, 2016 • 10:38:28am

re: #678 ObserverArt

I’m not even going to touch that type of thinking. I happen to believe there are way more people that will never let those scenarios occur.

They just don’t have the big mouths of some of the people being seen as the types that would do stuff like secede.

Yes, there is a silent majority. They can get loud fast when needed.

Texas will not secede. Oh there will be rumblings, but the first religion of Texas is business, and businesses here will grab the Republican party by the short hairs if anything starts happening.

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PhillyPretzel Oct 10, 2016 • 10:42:05am

re: #689 Belafon

It is a pity they cannot grab the uncouth one by the short hairs. On second thought he might consider that …

I am not going there.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 10, 2016 • 10:42:45am

re: #676 Dr. Matt