Thursday Night Jam: Jimmy Barnes, “Stone Cold” (Feat. Joe Bonamassa)
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идти ебать себя. @JBotisov
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 11, 2016
Wondering what they were talking about for 90 minutes? #NotMyPresident pic.twitter.com/LTq1ev478j
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) November 11, 2016
re: #2 Charles Johnson
I somehow knew what you were saying, even before I Googled a translation.
At least this wasn’t in a hacked campaign email. https://t.co/NzNGLLIyG8 pic.twitter.com/LX424zlDBH
— Josh Greenman (@joshgreenman) November 11, 2016
“Untold story?” Well gosh, it’s too bad Megyn Kelly doesn’t have some kind of nightly television program where she could have told this story!
Co-worker: “Is it true what they’re saying about what Trump wants to do in his first 100 days?”
Me: “Wait, you’re just finding this out now??
Her: “I don’t like politics. It makes me uncomfortable.”
Me: “Not as uncomfortable as you’re about to be.”
Actually happened.
re: #6 JasonA
Co-worker: “Is it true what they’re saying about what Trump wants to do in his first 100 days?”
Me: “Wait, you’re just finding this out now??
Her: “I don’t like politics. It makes me uncomfortable.”
Me: “Not as uncomfortable as you’re about to be.”
Actually happened.
Did s/he vote?
re: #6 JasonA
Co-worker: “Is it true what they’re saying about what Trump wants to do in his first 100 days?”
Me: “Wait, you’re just finding this out now??
Her: “I don’t like politics. It makes me uncomfortable.”
Me: “Not as uncomfortable as you’re about to be.”
Actually happened.
There is a reason many states removed Civics or Government classes from school.
When I was a senior in High School, I thought Government was the most interesting class I’d taken in all my time in school.
re: #5 Ace-o-aces
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“Untold story?” Well gosh, it’s too bad Megyn Kelly doesn’t have some kind of nightly television program where she could have told this story!
Wow, a disingenuous book by a disingenuous Fox hack.
Where do I go to NOT buy this?
From downstairs:
re: #325 Kryptik in Mourning
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@MortuaryReport I’ve quoted you in my #Storify story “Important Tweetstorm: Don’t Forget the #Disabled” https://t.co/i0BxU1Ag3u #p2 #tiot
— CuriousLurker (@CuriousLurker) November 11, 2016
re: #446 gocart mozart
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.@krauthammer: “Obama’s legacy is toast. Obama’s legacy is gone.” #KellyFile pic.twitter.com/IJOR1w3NyB
— Megyn Kelly (@megynkelly) November 11, 2016
Obama’s legacy is being America’s first black president and whipping your sorry #GOP asses TWICE. You can NEVER take that away. #p2 #tiot https://t.co/3NuQJBRvmS
— CuriousLurker (@CuriousLurker) November 11, 2016
re: #10 CuriousLurker
That is all.
Oh, and Anymouse? I hate to have to say this, but be careful.
G’nite, lizards.
re: #7 MsJ
Yes, for Clinton, but I don’t think that’s the point. That attitude is what leads to things like this. People needed to learn about this man long before now. Hell, maybe that would convince someone to talk to other people about voting? I don’t know.
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Botisov? Soviet bot?
Here we go folks, Ryan says Medicare privatization is on…
re: #15 Myron Falwell (no relation)
That alternate reality by Krauthammer and Fox “News” makes my blood boil.
In a hundred books the history books may just record that Barack Obama actually was from Kenya.
Anymouse, picking up from the previous thread, I’d be cautious (and do what Ted Striker et al. suggested), but your neighbor sounds like he’s waiting for someone else to clean up the trash (referring to his attitudes, not any human person), not inclined to take action himself.
re: #16 JasonA
In a hundred books the history books may just record that Barack Obama actually was from Kenya.
See: Texas School Board.
Texas buys so many books that other states are forced to purchase what they choose. If Texas chooses to go that route, other states may be forced to simply boycott textbook publishers.
re: #16 JasonA
Fixed the quote…
In the future the history books prescribed by the Texas Board Of Education will state that Barack Obama actually was from Kenya.
re: #3 Ace-o-aces
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Its over 2 minutes, so im not sure cheeto jesus can pay attention longer than that.
re: #12 JasonA
Yes, for Clinton, but I don’t think that’s the point. That attitude is what leads to things like this. People needed to learn about this man long before now. Hell, maybe that would convince someone to talk to other people about voting? I don’t know.
Oh, I totally got your point. I was just curious if they bothered to vote.
re: #10 CuriousLurker
My wife (Type II diabetes) is fortunately covered by single-payer health care (CHAMPUS/TRICARE). If the Republicans have the chutzpah to gun for Medicare, I suspect CHAMPUS will be next.
I have the Veterans Administration, but they have already been champing at the bit to privatise the VA. Virtually everyone in the VA medical system could be argued to have a “pre-existing” condition.
re: #19 Anymouse
See: Texas School Board.
Texas buys so many books that other states are forced to purchase what they choose. If Texas chooses to go that route, other states may be forced to simply boycott textbook publishers.
Smart states buy what California buys.
re: #23 Anymouse
My wife (Type II diabetes) is fortunately covered by single-payer health care (CHAMPUS/TRICARE). If the Republicans have the chutzpah to gun for Medicare, I suspect CHAMPUS will be next.
I have the Veterans Administration, but they have already been champing at the bit to privatise the VA. Virtually everyone in the VA medical system could be argued to have a “pre-existing” condition.
The gutting of healthcare is my primary personal worry*. I have seen the bills before the insurance discounts kick in, and even then I have accumulated 60K in charges so far this year with more to follow. Without reasonable insurance this year alone would have been a complete and total financial disaster.
* - I say that since I am not in a demographic that is going to be targeted (white male), have a fairly secure job, live in a fairly liberal area (PA went red, but Philadelphia is pretty blue), and have enough of a nest egg to handle some adversity if things really start to go bad. My concerns are for others I know, the eroding of the protections and structures we have (political, economic, and environmental), and some simple unease and fear about things getting much worse and then taking a long time to recover.
I guess I await to see what seriously starts to happen once the immediate post-election wave of rhetoric recedes. That will indicate to some degree the level of crap that will go down in the short-term. The long-term damage will only come out once the inevitable scandals come to light, along with the indications of whether we will ever again have a national media willing to play the role they need to play in a working democracy.
Leonard Cohen was a great Canadian poet, his deep rumble ideal for those bluesy nights when you’re soaking in melancholy.
— Mika McKinnon (@mikamckinnon) November 11, 2016
re: #24 William Lewis
After that Social Security will be destroyed too.
I will have to get with my neighbour again.
Not that I want to rub his nose in his vote for a straight Republican ticket.
I just want to warn him that his mother on Medicare is about to lose her insurance and he might want to consider what alternatives he has. (I don’t really think they have any other than to sell their house.)
One thing that disappeared (mostly) around here? Collection coffee cans for donations for “sick kid with cancer,” “dad needs a hip transplant,” &c. I suspect we’ll be seeing those again soon.
I see there is a petition going around telling the Electoral College to abide by the popular vote and choose Clinton over Trump. The EC has never reversed the EV majority, AFAIK, and doing so now would probably engulf the country in open rebellion by Trumpistas.
re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
IIRC, only some states can allow for electors to change. But of course there can be faithless electors.
But that gets into some weird fantasy about our future, and I doubt it will happen.
Just finished watching Mom. Chuck Lorre’s vanity page at the end read merely:
“Uh-oh.”
Sigh.
Group is leveling the pearl. I’m in shock. #TrumpRiot pic.twitter.com/smLgvEoRQ5
— Mike Bivins (@itsmikebivins) November 11, 2016
Protesters breaking storefront windows in Portland. Video: @itsmikebivins https://t.co/XPwwTDVl0W
— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) November 11, 2016
attn: ProLifeLiberal
If Trump forces Muslims to register, then I’m going to register Muslim. If we all register Muslim. He can’t divide us.
— Mike Burkett (@FatMike_of_NOFX) November 11, 2016
re: #26 Feline Fearless Leader
The gutting of healthcare is my primary personal worry*. I have seen the bills before the insurance discounts kick in, and even then I have accumulated 60K in charges so far this year with more to follow. Without reasonable insurance this year alone would have been a complete and total financial disaster.
* - I say that since I am not in a demographic that is going to be targeted (white male), have a fairly secure job, live in a fairly liberal area (PA went red, but Philadelphia is pretty blue), and have enough of a nest egg to handle some adversity if things really start to go bad. My concerns are for others I know, the eroding of the protections and structures we have (political, economic, and environmental), and some simple unease and fear about things getting much worse and then taking a long time to recover.
I guess I await to see what seriously starts to happen once the immediate post-election wave of rhetoric recedes. That will indicate to some degree the level of crap that will go down in the short-term. The long-term damage will only come out once the inevitable scandals come to light, along with the indications of whether we will ever again have a national media willing to play the role they need to play in a working democracy.
Republicans have wanted to get rid of Medicare since it was created, and Social Security too. With a lock on the House, Senate, and Presidency, and the opportunity to tilt the Supreme Court to the right, this is their best chance to do it.
It ain’t rhetoric. “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” - Maya Angelou.
Social Security and Medicare are “socialism” (they are, sort of), hence they must die.
Amazing how Libertarians and Conservatives insist that the private sector should be allowed to compete with government services (allegedly to improve government service), but never the other way round.
re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I see there is a petition going around telling the Electoral College to abide by the popular vote and choose Clinton over Trump. The EC has never reversed the EV majority, AFAIK, and doing so now would probably engulf the country in open rebellion by Trumpistas.
I had this conversation earlier tonight. I say with no hyperbole that faithless electors would lead to an honest to God shooting civil war.
re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I see there is a petition going around telling the Electoral College to abide by the popular vote and choose Clinton over Trump. The EC has never reversed the EV majority, AFAIK, and doing so now would probably engulf the country in open rebellion by Trumpistas.
I know it wont happen, but…
This is *exactly* the reason for the Electoral College. To save us from ourselves when we make a really bad call.
This is why my ass itches every time I see someone ask why we have it or advocates getting rid of it.
re: #23 Anymouse
My wife (Type II diabetes) is fortunately covered by single-payer health care (CHAMPUS/TRICARE). If the Republicans have the chutzpah to gun for Medicare, I suspect CHAMPUS will be next.
I have the Veterans Administration, but they have already been champing at the bit to privatise the VA. Virtually everyone in the VA medical system could be argued to have a “pre-existing” condition.
I contracted rheumatoid arthritis in 1997. Then in 2006 I got diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes on my 50th birthday. I’m glad I have Kaiser insurance through my government employment and I appreciated how the ACA expanded benefits and reduced copayments. I am scared to death of ACA repeal because I will lose a lot of the expanded care I have now. And a privatized Medicare with pre-existing condones requiring higher payments…I don’t want to go there…
right now I would like to give a big CENSORED YOU to goddamned Jill Stein.
re: #38 Jack Burton
I know it wont happen, but…
This is *exactly* the reason for the Electoral College. To save us from ourselves when we make a really bad call.
This is why my ass itches every time I see someone ask why we have it or advocates getting rid of it.
Of course, the flip side is that we’d have President Gore or President Hillary Clinton without it. Point taken, though.
re: #32 klys (maker of Silmarils)
That video doesn’t look like an organised protest. It looks like opportunists (but the protesters will be blamed nonetheless). See many other peaceable protests in the USA where a few opportunists caused a crackdown by authorities against “criminal rioters.”
re: #38 Jack Burton
This is *exactly* the reason for the Electoral College. To save us from ourselves when we make a really bad call.
I thought the electoral college exists so slave-holding sountern states wouldn’t be overwhelmed by votes from the populated NE, as the southern black male population was only 3/5ths of a person.
re: #41 Anymouse
That video doesn’t look like an organised protest. It looks like opportunists (but the protesters will be blamed nonetheless). See many other peaceable protests in the USA where a few opportunists caused a crackdown by authorities against “criminal rioters.”
Oh, that’s pretty much exactly what it is. But it’s depressing as all hell, because this next tweet is all too valid.
Pro tip:
White folks: don’t behave recklessly at protests.
You endanger Black and Brown people, who police usually grab first.— Brittany Packnett (@MsPackyetti) November 10, 2016
Messed up thing is all those Republicans who acted like they wanted nothing to do with Trump are gonna be happy to help. Midterms will be tough too even though midterms typically favor the out of power party. I don’t think I’d ever feel as disillusioned again as I did after 2004 but this isn’t political disillusionment, it’s personal disillusionment about how I feel about people and our country as a whole.
re: #38 Jack Burton
I know it wont happen, but…
This is *exactly* the reason for the Electoral College. To save us from ourselves when we make a really bad call.
This is why my ass itches every time I see someone ask why we have it or advocates getting rid of it.
We have it so small population states like mine can have an outsized say in the outcome of an election.
As I’ve heard tell round here, it “saves” us from being overwhelmed from coastal liberals. (Never mind the population of the coastal areas is not all liberal, and is overwhelming in comparison to the middle of the country here.)
Even 500,000 population Wyoming gets three electoral votes. Those Senatorial electoral votes built into each state add up. Any Democratic campaign for President must consider those of us in the Heartland, or cede the field on ND, SD, NE, WY, ID, UT, MT, OK, AR, LA, AL, GA, SC, KS. (That is 28 electoral votes Dems cede every time they run and ignore us; that is a Pennsylvania sized count. Half of California. As long as the Dems keep ignoring us, they will continue losing all those votes.)
I understand Gov. Howard Dean is considering throwing his hat in the ring for DNC Chair. Good. We need someone who actually understands what campaigning for all the people means.
We will continue losing elections though we get the popular vote until Democrats get with the programme the system is structured so they have to campaign in all the states or cede a bunch of electoral votes. The Republicans get it.
re: #34 teleskiguy
I like hearing the support.
re: #44 HappyWarrior
Messed up thing is all those Republicans who acted like they wanted nothing to do with Trump are gonna be happy to help. Midterms will be tough too even though midterms typically favor the out of power party. I don’t think I’d ever feel as disillusioned again as I did after 2004 but this isn’t political disillusionment, it’s personal disillusionment about how I feel about people and our country as a whole.
Yes. IIRC, we have a lot more senate seats to defend in 2018, and that adds to the difficulty.
re: #44 HappyWarrior
Messed up thing is all those Republicans who acted like they wanted nothing to do with Trump are gonna be happy to help. Midterms will be tough too even though midterms typically favor the out of power party. I don’t think I’d ever feel as disillusioned again as I did after 2004 but this isn’t political disillusionment, it’s personal disillusionment about how I feel about people and our country as a whole.
HappyWarrior, I had bad vibes based on handling the phone calls at work from so many Social Security and SSI recipients who let their racism flow unchecked like the dam was broke…
re: #45 Anymouse
That’s why I am supporting Dean.
re: #42 freetoken
I thought the electoral college exists so slave-holding sountern states wouldn’t be overwhelmed by votes from the populated NE, as the southern black male population was only 3/5ths of a person.
Nope. The Connecticut Compromise (the Electoral College) exists to protect small population states like Connecticut and Delaware (at the time), not slave states. Slave states were protected by the Three-Fifths Compromise, which counted a slave as three-fifths of a person for a vote.
re: #47 retired cynic
But, on the other hand, the House may be easier.
re: #50 Anymouse
It’s so easy for me to get those two combined.
re: #47 retired cynic
Yes. IIRC, we have a lot more senate seats to defend in 2018, and that adds to the difficulty.
It’s because we gained so many in 2006 and 2012.
re: #49 Ziggy_TARDIS
That’s why I am supporting Dean.
Add me in too!
Bring Back Dean!
He knows how to put together the 50 state strategy to win!
re: #48 Joe Bacon
HappyWarrior, I had bad vibes based on handling the phone calls at work from so many Social Security and SSI recipients who let their racism flow unchecked like the dam was broke…
It’s really bad. I’m tired of these hypocrites.
re: #42 freetoken
I thought the electoral college exists so slave-holding sountern states wouldn’t be overwhelmed by votes from the populated NE, as the southern black male population was only 3/5ths of a person.
I’ve forgotten my history regarding the EC, but IIRC it boiled down to giving the states a say in the election, rather than giving voters free rein. It’s similar to the Senate balancing the House of Representatives, so that the least populated states don’t get trampled by the big guys. It serves as a brake on rampant populism (mob rule) but unfortunately has allowed the losing candidate (according to the will of the people) to win the presidency several times now.
re: #50 Anymouse
Nope. The Connecticut Compromise (the Electoral College) exists to protect small population states like Connecticut and Delaware (at the time), not slave states. Slave states were protected by the Three-Fifths Compromise, which counted a slave as three-fifths of a person for a vote.
And before that, the plan was to have Congress elect the president. A direct popular vote was never on the table.
I’m for the 50 state strategy being back too. I still do have the question about how we sell our values to people who find our values threatening to their own. Not saying we shouldn’t go out there but how to talk the issues is a challenge.
The Founders never really trusted the people so the EC is in line with that.
First day post-op. Called my doc in a panic because my balls were purple and about 3x larger than normal. Turns out it’s a common side-effect from hernia surgery. The pain? Fucking intense. But at least the excruciating physical suffering keeps me from paying too much attention to the numbing stupidity of people afraid to look in the mirror and quick to play victim.
Yes, the FBI thing didn’t help. And yes, the media’s fucked up. But that doesn’t explain having no field offices in Michigan.
NEW: Clinton aides blame FBI director, media for devastating loss https://t.co/fJ7nTQgtdG pic.twitter.com/dur4PMyblN
— The Hill (@thehill) November 10, 2016
Blame #Putin. Blame @FBI. Blame #media. Blame @DrJillStein. Blame @BernieSanders. Blame #Obama. Blame #racists. Just don’t look internally. https://t.co/zWlQSa3zOh
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 11, 2016
re: #57 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I’ve forgotten my history regarding the EC, but IIRC it boiled down to giving the states a say in the election, rather than giving voters free rein. It’s similar to the Senate balancing the House of Representatives, so that the least populated states don’t get trampled by the big guys. It serves as a brake on rampant populism (mob rule) but unfortunately has allowed the losing candidate (according to the will of the people) to win the presidency several times now.
Around here, that rampant populism is considered liberals in New York, Massachusetts, and California.
Wikipedia claims this:
Some delegates, including James Wilson and James Madison, preferred popular election of the executive. Madison acknowledged that while a popular vote would be ideal, it would be difficult to get consensus on the proposal given the prevalence of slavery in the South:
There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to the fewest objections.[18]
I doubt one can separate the formation of the Electoral College from both the CT Compromise and the 3/5th compromise.
re: #59 HappyWarrior
I’m for the 50 state strategy being back too. I still do have the question about how we sell our values to people who find our values threatening to their own. Not saying we shouldn’t go out there but how to talk the issues is a challenge.
A politician who cannot rise to a challenge is one that is not good enough to win an election.
Hell, I got elected here twice. Surely a politician of national stature should be able to do it with the backing of a party apparatus and hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign funds. (I spent less than $50 on each of my campaigns, though admittedly I was running in a smaller constituency.)
Heh…
When you lie on your resume and actually get the job. 😩😩😩😩 pic.twitter.com/BYx9fGd562
— Matthew A. Cherry (@MatthewACherry) November 10, 2016
re: #62 Anymouse
Around here, that rampant populism is considered liberals in New York, Massachusetts, and California.
And from my view that rampant populism is the thing that allowed a mental midget with the temper and attention span of a 5 year old, among countless other sins, who had no business even thinking about being president, run and win.
re: #60 HappyWarrior
The Founders never really trusted the people so the EC is in line with that.
Ironically, in this case, the EC will likely allow the worst candidate ever to be president, despite the wishes of the majority of the voters. This entire campaign cycle has exposed the flaws in the system as no other has, from the primaries through Tuesday’s results.
re: #63 William Lewis
We must all be Mexican and Muslim.
I’ll be a Polish atheistic Muslim Mexican. /s
Did Mr. Trump actually propose “registering” Muslims?
re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Ironically, in this case, the EC will likely allow the worst candidate ever to be president, despite the wishes of the majority of the voters. This entire campaign cycle has exposed the flaws in the system as no other has, from the primaries through Tuesday’s results.
The way to fix this, without ditching the EC completely and losing the “In case shit…” part of it, is to eliminate winner take all.
re: #61 darthstar
First day post-op. Called my doc in a panic because my balls were purple and about 3x larger than normal. Turns out it’s a common side-effect from hernia surgery. The pain? Fucking intense. But at least the excruciating physical suffering keeps me from paying too much attention to the numbing stupidity of people afraid to look in the mirror and quick to play victim.
Yes, the FBI thing didn’t help. And yes, the media’s fucked up. But that doesn’t explain having no field offices in Michigan.
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re: #68 Jack Burton
And from my view that rampant populism is the thing that allowed a mental midget with the temper and attention span of a 5 year old, among countless other sins, who had no business even thinking about being president, run and win.
In the meantime, Mrs. Clinton was nowhere to be seen in ND, SD, only once in NE in Omaha (four hundred miles from me), WY, ID, OK, KS, &c.
See all those electoral votes I noted above that the Democrats ceded because they didn’t even try. They didn’t even take out newspaper adverts here.
The Republicans did all of that. Trump or his surrogates were in every one of those states. There were adverts in every newspaper that runs here.
The Democrats ran a campaign for the coasts, and ceded enough electoral votes for half of California. Take even part of those states above away from the (R) column, and we might have had a chance.
re: #65 Anymouse
A politician who cannot rise to a challenge is one that is not good enough to win an election.
Hell, I got elected here twice. Surely a politician of national stature should be able to do it with the backing of a party apparatus and hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign funds. (I spent less than $50 on each of my campaigns, though admittedly I was running in a smaller constituency.)
My point though is how do you convince people who find your views and what you’ll vote on is threatening to them. No offense but in a way, it was easier for you because you weren’t running for a position that appoints judges that make rulings they find threatening. I’m not saying we dismiss your neighbors but our right wing neighbors are in fact threatened by much of what we stand for. That’s what I wonder about.
re: #6 JasonA
Co-worker: “Is it true what they’re saying about what Trump wants to do in his first 100 days?”
Me: “Wait, you’re just finding this out now??
Her: “I don’t like politics. It makes me uncomfortable.”
Me: “Not as uncomfortable as you’re about to be.”
Actually happened.
Well, Trump did promise for months that it would be just like Brexit. Apparently people didn’t realize that meant he was making a shitload of promises he was never going to keep to people who either thought he was being totally sincere or told themselves he was never going to win. Guess what, it’s the morning after and hangovers are a bitch. This one’s gonna last 4 long years.
That electoral college fantasy is, let’s say problematic. It would lead to many bad things. Hell, you’re basically asking faithless electors to paint targets on their backs.
The real irony is that the President-elect is on record supporting it.
re: #77 Targetpractice
Well, Trump did promise for months that it would be just like Brexit. Apparently people didn’t realize that meant he was making a shitload of promises he was never going to keep to people who either thought he was being totally sincere or told themselves he was never going to win. Guess what, it’s the morning after and hangovers are a bitch. This one’s gonna last 4 long years.
If we’re very, very lucky.
re: #74 Stanley Sea
blah blah blah
Yep. Time to tune out those who are making excuses. Take time to decompress. Saw a pic of Hillary hiking. She looked happy. Tempting stuff…happiness.
re: #75 Anymouse
I really doubt that Clinton could have won any of those states. Iowa is the swingiest state in the region, but the plains states immediately to the west are so solidly Republican now that spending money campaigning there would probably be a waste of money.
But don’t feel bad. Candidates rarely show up in California too.
re: #81 Ziggy_TARDIS
DarthStar has a point here.
Why were there no offices in Michigan?
Michigan was safe blue. They did have an office in Texas.
re: #79 JasonA
I don’t think luck will have a part of it.
He is going to be entering with incredibly low approval ratings. The plans the Republicans have will wreck the economy and the lives of people quickly, making it even worse. This will likely hurt the Republicans as well. We will not take the Senate, but we might be able to ride the wave at the state level, and in the House.
Pelosi is a decent leader, and should stay.
However, we must reorganize, and reach out starting ASAP.
re: #83 darthstar
We were not safe blue!
Not remotely. Republican Governor, and Upper and Lower House of the State Legislature.
re: #75 Anymouse
In the meantime, Mrs. Clinton was nowhere to be seen in ND, SD, only once in NE in Omaha (four hundred miles from me), WY, ID, OK, KS, &c.
See all those electoral votes I noted above that the Democrats ceded because they didn’t even try. They didn’t even take out newspaper adverts here.
The Republicans did all of that. Trump or his surrogates were in every one of those states. There were adverts in every newspaper that runs here.
The Democrats ran a campaign for the coasts, and ceded enough electoral votes for half of California. Take even part of those states above away from the (R) column, and we might have had a chance.
The Dem strategy is apparently, “Write off the Midwest, except Illinois and maybe Missouri, because the GOP has a lock on those states.” It’s short sighted and, as we can see, a losing strategy.
re: #86 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Yep!
I am going to talk to a friend from the Hillary Campaign on this.
re: #82 freetoken
I really doubt that Clinton could have won any of those states. Iowa is the swingiest state in the region, but the plains states immediately to the west is so solidly Republican now that spending money campaigning there would probably be a waste of money.
But don’t feel bad. Candidates rarely show up in California too.
I have to agree with that. Sorry AM but I just don’t see how having rallies would have changed it. I agree we should not ignore voters in your neck of the woods but it’s a struggle to get those voters to consider us because frankly they are threatened by many of our principles.
re: #74 Stanley Sea
And healthy recovery. I forgot that.
re: #20 Joe Bacon
Fixed the quote…
In the future the history books prescribed by the Texas Board Of Education will state that Barack Obama actually was from Kenya.
I used to write/produce ancillary material for a textbook company. I like to tell the story about one of their world history books that had 10 pages on Christianity (complete with bible pics) and 1/2 a page on France.
re: #86 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
The Dem strategy is apparently, “Write off the Midwest, except Illinois and maybe Missouri, because the GOP has a lock on those states.” It’s short sighted and, as we can see, a losing strategy.
I don’t see how to change that.
The upper Mississippi valley is either strongly Dem (IL), mostly Dem (MN), and swingers (IA, WI). The candidates tend to concentrate on the swingers.
West of the Missouri river, though, is socially, ideologically, quite different than what one would find in the Democratic Party platform.
And I doubt that will change for several decades.
re: #81 Ziggy_TARDIS
DarthStar has a point here.
Why were there no offices in Michigan?
Who fucking cares. A talking lying Yam won. Don’t really know what we could do.
re: #93 freetoken
But you can put bases there that at least will show our thinking, and over time, will make us competitive.
This must be a very long game.
I normally consider this guy obnoxious, but he’s on point here:
Trump won Wisconsin by 27,000 votes.
300,000 voters were turned away by the states strict Voter ID law.
There is your “rigged” election.— Dan Arel (@danarel) November 10, 2016
re: #76 HappyWarrior
My point though is how do you convince people who find your views and what you’ll vote on is threatening to them. No offense but in a way, it was easier for you because you weren’t running for a position that appoints judges that make rulings they find threatening. I’m not saying we dismiss your neighbors but our right wing neighbors are in fact threatened by much of what we stand for. That’s what I wonder about.
Well, that’s why political parties hire campaign managers, communications directors, policy directors, &c. That is their job to figure out how to do that. The GOP did it, they sold us Trump. They sold us trickle-down economics, which GHW Bush said in his primary against Ronald Reagan was “voodoo economics.”
It is the party’s job to show voters why those things aren’t threatening. Take same-sex marriage, which is likely on the chopping block now.
No same-sex marriage will ever threaten an opposite-sex one. Everyone in my village knows my sister is in a same-sex marriage. They know I am in an opposite-sex one. No one here in this uber-conservative town I know acutally opposes gay rights or same-sex marriage (our last village clerk was in a same-sex relationship, not even married - she left the position to marry).
My village was appalled at the Memorial Day speaker (a local Navy commander who just retired) we had who ranted on about North Carolina’s bathroom law and liberals cramming their values down our throats.
He will never be invited back (I have been asked to deliver the next Memorial Day speech here after I offered a counter speech in the June village board meeting that was appropriate to the meaning of Memorial Day). If this wingnut runs for the county commission in 2018 (I suspect he will), my board seat is up anyway and I intend to run against him.
They feel threatened by what they don’t know. That’s why you campaign, present your ideas, advertise, send surrogates or actual candidates here. It is easy to fear what you don’t know.
But you have to do something, anything, or you are simply ceding the field. On the state level, two electoral votes for Trump. Because there was no support for our Democratic representative from Mrs. Clinton or her surrogates, he lost his seat to a wingnut. Instead of four electoral votes, the GOP got five and a House pickup from us.
re: #94 Stanley Sea
Been actively campaigning more in the MI, WI, and PA trio?
re: #95 Ziggy_TARDIS
Life doesn’t work that way.
Religions don’t change that quickly.
Those very Republican plains states get all the same cable channels we do. They could choose to watch, say, BBC World instead of Fox News, but they don’t.
The existential crises that it will take for them to change will come about only through failure, I suspect.
I mean these areas are heavily not just economically conservative but socially too. How do you sell support for LGBT rights, abortion rights, sensible gun laws to people who repeatedly vote against our position on that? We shouldn’t dismiss them but I just think it’s a real catch 22 trying to get them to vote for us while at the same time maintaining the principles that separate us from the GOP.
re: #90 HappyWarrior
I have to agree with that. Sorry AM but I just don’t see how having rallies would have changed it. I agree we should not ignore voters in your neck of the woods but it’s a struggle to get those voters to consider us because frankly they are threatened by many of our principles.
The reality is elections do cost money. And according to the e-mails I received from the Clinton campaign, at a regular rate since before we left for Japan (and all while we were there), they had to make decisions because they didn’t have enough money to do everything they wanted to.
And that does mean making decisions about where the money is most effective. It’s a shitty game. This is why I have no desire to be a politician. You can never do anything right and at this level there’s millions of Monday morning quarterbacks.
re: #96 No Depression
Helping elect Trump should be a huge part of John Roberts’ legacy.
re: #90 HappyWarrior
I have to agree with that. Sorry AM but I just don’t see how having rallies would have changed it. I agree we should not ignore voters in your neck of the woods but it’s a struggle to get those voters to consider us because frankly they are threatened by many of our principles.
Write us off then. Don’t try. Good-bye to all those electoral votes.
The electoral college is the way the game is played. I know when I play poker I don’t start by giving everyone part of my chips.
re: #104 Anymouse
Write us off then. Don’t try. Good-bye to all those electoral votes.
The electoral college is the way the game is played. I know when I play poker I don’t start by giving everyone part of my chips.
Do you think a visit by Clinton would have changed the minds of anyone in your village? Honest question here. I know you said you talked to people about it. I’m pretty sure you said that you thought no one was going to vote for Trump. Clearly that wasn’t quite how it turned out.
re: #98 Ziggy_TARDIS
Been actively campaigning more in the MI, WI, and PA trio?
Maybe, sure.
I’m especially raw at the “Hillary blame” going on. Fuck it. She was the most qualified person ever to run. But that was not enough. It has often been not enough.
re: #97 Anymouse
Well, that’s why political parties hire campaign managers, communications directors, policy directors, &c. That is their job to figure out how to do that. The GOP did it, they sold us Trump. They sold us trickle-down economics, which GHW Bush said in his primary against Ronald Reagan was “voodoo economics.”
It is the party’s job to show voters why those things aren’t threatening. Take same-sex marriage, which is likely on the chopping block now.
No same-sex marriage will ever threaten an opposite-sex one. Everyone in my village knows my sister is in a same-sex marriage. They know I am in an opposite-sex one. No one here in this uber-conservative town I know acutally opposes gay rights or same-sex marriage (our last village clerk was in a same-sex relationship, not even married - she left the position to marry).
My village was appalled at the Memorial Day speaker (a local Navy commander who just retired) we had who ranted on about North Carolina’s bathroom law and liberals cramming their values down our throats.
He will never be invited back (I have been asked to deliver the next Memorial Day speech here after I offered a counter speech in the June village board meeting that was appropriate to the meaning of Memorial Day). If this wingnut runs for the county commission in 2018 (I suspect he will), my board seat is up anyway and I intend to run against him.
They feel threatened by what they don’t know. That’s why you campaign, present your ideas, advertise, send surrogates or actual candidates here. It is easy to fear what you don’t know.
But you have to do something, anything, or you are simply ceding the field. On the state level, two electoral votes for Trump. Because there was no support for our Democratic representative from Mrs. Clinton or her surrogates, he lost his seat to a wingnut. Instead of four electoral votes, the GOP got five and a House pickup from us.
I do agree with that. I just think it’s something very difficult. And frankly not every area is going to be as understanding as yours seems to be. We saw how much support Kim Davis got when she refused to sign the gay marriage documents. I’d love to hear what their concerns are but frankly the snobbery goes both ways, a lot of small town residents and I say this as one have an ugly view of our cities. And I just can’t accept that.
re: #106 Stanley Sea
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re: #104 Anymouse
re: #104 Anymouse
Write us off then. Don’t try. Good-bye to all those electoral votes.
The electoral college is the way the game is played. I know when I play poker I don’t start by giving everyone part of my chips.
And the GOP is making hard plays to make inroads to Cali and New York? Don’t tell me the GOP is busting it’s ass to try to turn those 84 electoral votes red anytime soon. Certain sections of the map are going to be nigh impossible for one side to win anytime soon. If you want a party to start making a long term investment that might pay off in 10-20 years that’s fine but don’t act like only the Dems are conceding EV’s.
re: #106 Stanley Sea
Maybe, sure.
I’m especially raw at the “Hillary blame” going on. Fuck it. She was the most qualified person ever to run. But that was not enough. It has often been not enough.
Hillary should probably get some blame for this. But she doesn’t bare all of it, not even close. There was probably more that each of us could’ve done but didn’t.
re: #100 freetoken
Life doesn’t work that way.
Religions don’t change that quickly.
Those very Republican plains states get all the same cable channels we do. The could choose to watch, say, BBC World instead of Fox News, but they don’t.
The existential crises that it will take for them to change will come about only through failure, I suspect.
We don’t have cable in most of Nebraska outside of cities.
If Hillary Clinton, or Tim Kaine, or practically any Democratic leader showed up here for an interview on a local radio station or TV station, it would have been carried all over the state.
If the party had bothered to take out one bloody advert in a newspaper or magazine or on television or radio the message would have been in the field.
They didn’t even try. What part of that is so hard? Keep ceding half of California’s electoral votes and see how far we get.
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re: #108 Ziggy_TARDIS
Well, you could move to North Platte and start a mosque.
But it’s going to be a hard road, if the comments that popped up about nearby Lexington’s battle against permitting a mosque is any evidence.
See e.g.:
re: #106 Stanley Sea
She was the most qualifed person to run, but she did make mistakes.
Or rather, the Democrats did. We took WI, MI, and PA for granted. We should not have. We should have been more pragmatic.
Though, Russia and the FBI did not help.
re: #81 Ziggy_TARDIS
DarthStar has a point here.
Why were there no offices in Michigan?
There were many Clinton field offices in Michigan. Darthstar has been on a mission all year to be as glib and ignorant as possible. He’s the quintessential Bernie Bro who wanted to talk shit, tear down Hillary and take no responsibility for the lies he was deliberately spreading. He’s exactly the kind of asshole I was talking about here.
America is dying from absolutist moral superiority mixed w/ cynicism & ironic detachment that has replaced introspection & civic engagement.
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 11, 2016
re: #104 Anymouse
Write us off then. Don’t try. Good-bye to all those electoral votes.
The electoral college is the way the game is played. I know when I play poker I don’t start by giving everyone part of my chips.
I said nothing about writing you off. Damn dude, I’m just trying to say it is a legitimate struggle for a party to win EVs in a region hostile to much of what they stand for. Don’t paint me as some elitist. I live in a red area and I’ve seen that many conservative voters have no desire to listen to us.
re: #105 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Do you think a visit by Clinton would have changed the minds of anyone in your village? Honest question here. I know you said you talked to people about it. I’m pretty sure you said that you thought no one was going to vote for Trump. Clearly that wasn’t quite how it turned out.
Yes I do. Or Tim Kaine. Or Elizabeth Warren. Or Bernie Sanders. Or even our (former) representative from the next district over (NE-2).
There is only so much one local Democrat can do, particularly without support from the state party (which focused only on Omaha, and managed to lose that because they didn’t have support from the national party).
re: #114 freetoken
I was meaning for the Democrats in the country.
I am going to do Dawah to people though, to help them understand Islam though.
re: #93 freetoken
I don’t see how to change that.
The upper Mississippi valley is either strongly Dem (IL), mostly Dem (MN), and swingers (IA, WI). The candidates tend to concentrate on the swingers.
West of the Missouri river, though, is socially, ideologically, quite different than what one would find in the Democratic Party platform.
And I doubt that will change for several decades.
Let’s take Nebraska for example. NE hasn’t gone blue since Johnson ran in ‘64. It has been a red state since Moby Dick was a minnow. No amount of public appearances or campaign ads was going to change that overnight. At this point, the argument seems to be that Democrats are to be damned for not making the effort, as if the effort alone would have made a difference to the outcome.
re: #116 goddamnedfrank
Now I am upset that Darth was feeding me a line of bull.
I do think the FBI thing was the problem then. And the constant Wikileaks shit, with Russia’s BS. And the media malfeasance.
re: #75 Anymouse
In the meantime, Mrs. Clinton was nowhere to be seen in ND, SD, only once in NE in Omaha (four hundred miles from me), WY, ID, OK, KS, &c.
See all those electoral votes I noted above that the Democrats ceded because they didn’t even try. They didn’t even take out newspaper adverts here.
The Republicans did all of that. Trump or his surrogates were in every one of those states. There were adverts in every newspaper that runs here.
The Democrats ran a campaign for the coasts, and ceded enough electoral votes for half of California. Take even part of those states above away from the (R) column, and we might have had a chance.
That’s all good in theory, but I can tell you this—Hillary could have spent a month in South Carolina, visited every fucking town in the state, and she STILL wouldn’t have won here. The Democrats didn’t cede all those states—they just didn’t have any chance in hell of winning them.
The only way states like yours and mine are going to be in play on a national level is to first build up a Democratic presence on a local and state level. Sad to say, we seem to be falling further behind than ever in south by dog carolina, but we’re not giving up the fight.
re: #121 Targetpractice
Let’s take Nebraska for example. NE hasn’t gone blue since Johnson ran in ‘64. It has been a red state since Moby Dick was a minnow. No amount of public appearances or campaign ads was going to change that overnight. At this point, the argument seems to be that Democrats are to be damned for not making the effort, as if the effort alone would have made a difference to the outcome.
And if Hillary did spend a ton of time in Nebraska and the mid-west and lost she’d have been destroyed by the media for campaigning in sections of the country she was very unlikely to win while letting Trump dominate the battleground states. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
re: #122 Ziggy_TARDIS
Now I am upset that Darth was feeding me a line of bull.
I do think the FBI thing was the problem then. And the constant Wikileaks shit, with Russia’s BS. And the media malfeasance.
That, and as soon as the Voting Rights Act was overturned, immediately states started instituting voter restriction laws, following ALEC’s lead. How much of an undertow can one electorate take, and still win the popular vote, and then get piled on by holier than thou jerks?
re: #112 Anymouse
Perhaps it would be more practical if there were non-candidates who would show up (any time of the year) for public meetings, visiting people, etc?
I live in one of the post populous counties in the nation, and I wasn’t contacted, or mailed, by the Clinton campaign either. Sure, the county Dem flyer sent out with the numerous local candidates and measures had Clinton at the top, but that was it. That was the county party office, not the Clinton campaign.
There weren’t even any signs around here.
That’s because it would be a waste of money of the campaign to spend any here.
But our change in San Diego country, from majority Republican to majority Democrat, took decades.
And it came about because of demographic changes.
I understand you feel alienated in your community. I don’t have an easy solution to that.
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re: #125 retired cynic
There are ways to counteract the hollowing out of the VRA though. It will be tough, but it can be done.
Give up the blame on Hillary. Weak.
She ran the best campaign.
She was up against a WWE Reality TV Person. Who lied, every single breath.
As long as the EV continues to exist, campaigns are going to prefer certain states and as Klys says, it’s a money thing too, you’re going to invest more time in competive places. If heartland Democrats want their region to be competitive then we need to first work on getting more people elected locally. And that’s really on the people who live there. No offense AM but you live in a conservative region of a conservative state and you do great work but national Democrats showing up wasn’t going to turn the tide.
re: #118 Anymouse
Yes I do. Or Tim Kaine. Or Elizabeth Warren. Or Bernie Sanders. Or even our (former) representative from the next district over (NE-2).
There is only so much one local Democrat can do, particularly without support from the state party (which focused only on Omaha, and managed to lose that because they didn’t have support from the national party).
Okay. Next question: how many minds do you think it would have changed, and would it have justified the cost to the campaign?
If the system weren’t winner take all, I’d agree with you. And yes, NE does a better job of being less winner-take-all than other states. But there are still an awful lot of minds to be changed and a lot of variables at play. And money isn’t an infinite resource for campaigns. (Nor is fuel, nor is time.)
I agree with you in the long run that writing these states off is bad and we should challenge that. I am all for moving back to a 50 state strategy, for getting boots on the ground in every state, in finding and supporting candidates to run - even if they don’t meet the approval of the purity caucus. A Democrat in NE is going to look different than a Democrat in CA.
But we’re not at that point right now, I don’t think. Sure, she could have made more stops, but what difference would it have made in this election? I would argue that given the margins, that money and time would have been better spent elsewhere, in one of the states that was significantly closer. I hope that will be different in the future. I’m ready to help put the work in to make that so. But I’m also dealing with the pragmatic reality of the now, and that requires looking at where things stand today.
Let’s be real, Donald only came to CA for fundraisers. The Democratic Party isn’t the only one writing off states. We didn’t even have a Republican candidate for Senator. (Thank everything.)
I say this in all sincerity: For the good of the country, someone in his inner circle needs to take his phone away. Please.
— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) November 11, 2016
Well, it’s been two days since “The Event”. I work from home three days a week, and have to go in for two, and Wednesday happens to be one of them. My niece woke me up Wednesday morning to inform me that the storage bins under our bathroom sink had water in them, which they did. The weird thing was that it was only in a few baskets, and as far as we could tell there was no leakage from the pipes. I suspected hi-jinks from my nephew. Regardless, I found myself spending 30 minutes cleaning out from under the cabinet and throwing out 80% of what was under there. It felt good, and I actually went to work in a good mood.
That lasted until I got on the elevator with an older white male who greeted with a pleasant “good morning”. I said it back with what I think was a pleasant smile, but in my head popped the thought “Fucker probably voted for Trump”, and there went my good mood for the rest of the day.
This is what I’ve been trying to fight for the past two days. I literally can’t afford to let my bitterness seep into my interactions with people I suspect voted for Trump. I’m one of those who happily never had kids, but fate put my niece and nephew into my care for the past four years, and it looks like that’s going to continue until they graduate from college. That’s fine, but I’ve had to radically alter my me-focused world view and give up a lot of frivolous things to pay for things like glasses, school clothes, medicine, and dance lessons. I’d do it all over again and twice on Sunday because I love them to death, even though I never really wanted to be responsible for anyone else but myself. But because they are in my care, I have to make sure that I don’t snap at people at work and end up getting fired, especially now that it actually looks like I will be getting the promotion that I’ve been wanting for the past five years. I need this, I need my job to last at least another year so that I can pay off every bit of debt that I have just in case Donald Trump’s effort have a ripple effect on my employment.
With that in mind, today I went to a expo at work with the co-workers in my area, mostly white, and laughed and chatted pleasantly. For about an hour, I did not think about the election. That was a start.
I’ve been watching all of the in-fighting and blaming over the past two days on various blogs without feeling much of anything. I see crossovers in the arguments people are making against each other, and everyone trying to find the ANSWER to what went wrong. There’s more than one answer, and I’d like to believe that I know for sure what weighed more than anything else, but I don’t. The losses at the local levels across many states were a nasty harbinger of what was to come at some point nationally, and it finally hit. People are talking about bringing back the fifty-state strategy, but I recall just how many absolutely despised the type of legislators that the strategy brought in. I’ll always feel that Democrats across the board, for various reasons, completely wasted the opportunity to build a network for Democrats that was independent of who the president was. One common thread in arguments that I’m seeing is the yearning for yet another top-down leader. The Republicans don’t have a top-down leader, they have various networks (along with a TV one), that communicate with each other and politicians at all levels of government, from city council on up. If those protesters out there now turn around next week and start looking at what positions are open on the school board, etc, and start working there away from the cameras, I’ll be impressed. Right now, not so much.
I’ll never root for the country to fail, so at this point I’m not particularly angry at any Democratic politicians making noises about working with Donald Trump on a jobs bill, or anything that might be remotely positive for people. However, I do think that a lot of things will be lost over the next four years, a lot of which we might never get back. I don’t know if losing that will cause the fundamental shift in thinking that is needed from the majority of eligible voters, which is that they need to be involved and informed and stay in it when things get discouraging.
I’m numb, I know that at some point some structure will have to come into place to start the years-long effort to do what we can to protect from the damage to come, but hell if I know how to get started. I’m still just trying to get through my work days in the office without screaming.
re: #131 Ace-o-aces
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And then they will just hide the horrific person he is.
Nah, let him keep it. Show us Presidential Trump
re: #131 Ace-o-aces
I think I disagree with that tweet.
Instead of putting up a smoke screen around Trump to make him look “presidential”, I say give him the phone and let him tweet storm to his heart’s desire.
Let the whole world know the real Trump.
re: #131 Ace-o-aces
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My first instinct is to say the phone helps everyone see him for what he is, but that didn’t work out so well before so I got nothing.
Local media anchor and personality says the right thing.
#HeyNext Why all the protesting on the streets against Trump? I thought the elections were over! Get over it!! Just let it go people!
— Bethany D. (@Bethany64572408) November 11, 2016
It’s that pesky Constitution allowing them the right to protest and express their views. https://t.co/CHcbyXwGfS
— Kyle Clark (@KyleClark) November 11, 2016
re: #135 JasonA
My first instinct is to say the phone helps everyone see him for what he is, but that didn’t work out so well before so I got nothing.
Oh many saw him for who he is and they love him for it.
Let Trump tweet storm. Let the world know who he really is. Don’t let a facade of a “presidential” whitewash hide the truth. @chrislhayes
— free token (@freetoken) November 11, 2016
re: #132 RinaX
Thanks Rina. This is horrible, we are in shock.
re: #134 freetoken
I think I disagree with that tweet.
Instead of putting up a smoke screen around Trump to make him look “presidential”, I say give him the phone and let him tweet storm to his heart’s desire.
Let the whole world know the real Trump.
re: #135 JasonA
My first instinct is to say the phone helps everyone see him for what he is, but that didn’t work out so well before so I got nothing.
Okay, I’m coming around to it being a good thing. The truth is, and this terrifies me, people just weren’t paying attention before.
re: #113 Stanley Sea
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re: #114 freetoken
Well, you could move to North Platte and start a mosque.
But it’s going to be a hard road, if the comments that popped up about nearby Lexington’s battle against permitting a mosque is any evidence.
See e.g.:
I don’t know much about the issues cited in the city of Lexington. It would appear the city is suing for zoning violations.
The mosque’s expansion permit was rejected unanimously by the city council in December 2015.
In March, the ACLU of Nebraska weighed in on the side of the mosque, as did a lawyer in the city of Cozad.
omaha.com (Omaha World-Herald)
The ACLU and the lawyer argue the city is violating Federal law by using zoning ordinances to prohibit a religious organisation from having a sacred space. That law, passed during the end of the Clinton Administration, is quite clear on the matter of using zoning against any religious organisation.
Claude Berreckman, a Cozad attorney who is representing the mosque, says federal law — the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000 — plainly states that communities cannot pass zoning ordinances that restrict freedom of religion.
“We have a law that’s fairly clear here,” Berreckman said. “To me, it’s a huge waste of taxpayer dollars to pursue a lawsuit.”
About that: That is what conservatives do when they don’t get their way; spend massive amounts of taxmoney on lawsuits.
The city sued the mosque and asked the courts to impose a $100 a day fine against it for zoning violations.
I am not sure where the case stands now, I can’t find anything more recent. The mosque itself doesn’t seem to have a Website.
If you like, I’ll try to give them a call and ask about it. (I am an atheist, but I stand against anyone prohibiting free exercise of religion. I don’t know how many times I have heard the phrase from conservatives “Freedom of religion doesn’t mean freedom from religion. - Actually, it does.)
I fought on behalf of a mosque once before, in Oklahoma. I’ll do it here too.
re: #140 JasonA
Okay, I’m coming around to it being a good thing. The truth is, and this terrifies me, people just weren’t paying attention before.
President Trump will make everyone pay attention.
re: #143 Stanley Sea
President Trump will make everyone pay attention.
Oh I’m sure sometime soon they won’t be able to tear themselves away.
re: #142 Anymouse
I just wanted to show our young friend here what one is up against in your part of the world, thus I directed him to comments on stories about that item.
re: #121 Targetpractice
Let’s take Nebraska for example. NE hasn’t gone blue since Johnson ran in ‘64. It has been a red state since Moby Dick was a minnow. No amount of public appearances or campaign ads was going to change that overnight. At this point, the argument seems to be that Democrats are to be damned for not making the effort, as if the effort alone would have made a difference to the outcome.
We had a Democratic representative in NE-2 for one term. He was not supported, and now he’s out.
Your argument is “well, we haven’t won there in a long time, so let’s not try. How’d that work out for Michigan and Pennsylvania this time?”
Okay, if the Dems want to cede all those electoral votes because it’s too hard, then fine. The party will never get them.
Democrats ridiculed Mr. Trump’s campaign for running a fifty-state strategy in campaigning in advertising and appearances. How’d that work out for him?
re: #141 BeachDem
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re: #146 Anymouse
Well, it really is hard.
A very long running cultural battle is playing out, and resources are limited.
re: #146 Anymouse
We had a Democratic representative in NE-2 for one term. He was not supported, and now he’s out.
Your argument is “well, we haven’t won there in a long time, so let’s not try. How’d that work out for Michigan and Pennsylvania this time?”
Okay, if the Dems want to cede all those electoral votes because it’s too hard, then fine. The party will never get them.
Democrats ridiculed Mr. Trump’s campaign for running a fifty-state strategy in campaigning in advertising and appearances. How’d that work out for him?
And how much of the finite resources that existed for the DNC would have been necessary to flip Nebraska? Not flip a few votes, but turn Nebraska as a whole purple enough to give the 5 EV votes the state has to give to Hillary? And if devoting those resources there meant that she lost (say) Virginia, would it be worth it because you got the warm fuzzies of knowing she’d won your state? Now expand that to every state in the Midwest you believe she could have won if she’d just made the effort, every state she won there was exchanged for a “coastal elite” state. Would it have shifted the election back in her favor?
And that happens in our region too.
The local yokel Republican from Santee who made that statement about climate change being good because it’s those people who are hurt…
He got elected to the Assembly because there was no real opposition.
Our districts are still laid out along ideological and demographic lines.
re: #149 freetoken
Well, it really is hard.
A very long running cultural battle is playing out, and resources are limited.
The GOP ran a fifty state strategy and we didn’t, with Mr. Trump ripping off the RNC every chance he got on billing.
The Dems have plenty of money. They did not choose to spend it on a fifty state strategy. NE-2 went for Obama last time round. Trump this time round.
What the heck is the party saving its money for? I thought it was for winning elections up and down the ballot. Perhaps it was just instead for a cancelled fireworks show in Brooklyn?
re: #152 Anymouse
The GOP ran a fifty state strategy and we didn’t, with Mr. Trump ripping off the RNC every chance he got on billing.
The Dems have plenty of money. They did not choose to spend it on a fifty state strategy. NE-2 went for Obama last time round. Trump this time round.
What the heck is the party saving its money for? I thought it was for winning elections up and down the ballot. Perhaps it was just instead for a cancelled fireworks show in Brooklyn?
You keep saying he ran a 50 state strategy, but did he devote an equal amount of time and resources to every state? Or did he spend more time and money in some states and not so much in others because those were “safe” states”?
re: #150 Targetpractice
And how much of the finite resources that existed for the DNC would have been necessary to flip Nebraska? Not flip a few votes, but turn Nebraska as a whole purple enough to give the 5 EV votes the state has to give to Hillary? And if devoting those resources there meant that she lost (say) Virginia, would it be worth it because you got the warm fuzzies of knowing she’d won your state? Now expand that to every state in the Midwest you believe she could have won if she’d just made the effort, every state she won there was exchanged for a “coastal elite” state. Would it have shifted the election back in her favor?
Back to the argument it’s too hard so we won’t try. How’d Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania work out for the GOP?
I ain’t asking for warm fuzzies for my state, and I am not expecting things to flip overnight.
They will never flip until someone starts working on a long game.
In the meantime, if I get more stuff like my neighbour gave me this morning, I hope one you folks in a safe blue state that can’t be bothered with campaigning here can take my wife and me in on your sofa.
re: #115 Ziggy_TARDIS
She was the most qualifed person to run, but she did make mistakes.
Or rather, the Democrats did. We took WI, MI, and PA for granted. We should not have. We should have been more pragmatic.
Though, Russia and the FBI did not help.
What are you talking about re Pennsylvania. She, Bill, Kaine, Biden, Chelsea et all were all over Pennsylvania, and they did massive ad buys there as well.
They were also in Michigan a lot and did big ad buys there as well.
I’ll give you, she didn’t do much campaigning in Wisconsin.
re: #153 Targetpractice
You keep saying he ran a 50 state strategy, but did he devote an equal amount of time and resources to every state? Or did he spend more time and money in some states and not so much in others because those were “safe” states”?
Did he devote funds equally? Probably not. The GOP did campaign and advertise in every state, even hopeless ones like Hawai’i. DNC here? Not even a flyer on a corkboard.
You get what you pay for. The DNC didn’t even want to defend a Democratic House seat here, and they lost it.
re: #152 Anymouse
The GOP ran a fifty state strategy and we didn’t, with Mr. Trump ripping off the RNC every chance he got on billing.
We’re one of the 50 states, and there were many races in California without a Republican on the ticket (the most notable being US Senate.)
No amount of Republican spending in this state will change that.
We’re (California) culturally different than the now religious-right/fundamentalist national Republican party.
The more the national GOP goes for the atavism, the less and less they will have room in California. (and Oregon and probably Washington too.)
I’m tired of this, and checking out. Good grief.
Just going to say that in this safe blue state, I didn’t see any campaigning for Clinton either.
Which, honestly, was kind of nice. I’m pretty much over political campaigning. I think I’d shoot myself if I lived in a swing state.
re: #154 Anymouse
Back to the argument it’s too hard so we won’t try. How’d Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania work out for the GOP?
Ohio used to be a centerpiece of the Republican party. It was no great flip for them to win it this time.
Clinton carried MI.
The Democrats tried in PA, but the turnout outside of Philly ran definitely against Clinton.
re: #158 retired cynic
I’m tired of this, and checking out. Good grief.
GOOD GRIEF. Agreed.
She did us wrooooooong.
re: #157 freetoken
We’re one of the 50 states, and there were many races in California without a Republican on the ticket (the most notable being US Senate.)
No amount of Republican spending in this state will change that.
We’re (California) culturally different than the now religious-right/fundamentalist national Republican party.
The more the national GOP goes for the atavism, the less and less they will have room in California. (and Oregon and probably Washington too.)
My ballot only had one vote on it: for Hillary Clinton. That was the only Democrat on the ballot. My Representative got 100% of the vote as an unopposed candidate - the Dems couldn’t be bothered to run anyone.
Even though I have no chance, I enquired from the state party about how to raise money for the $1,740 filing fee to run against Adrian Smith and try to put together a campaign. Like every other letter, call, and message I have sent to the state party, I’ve had no response. Forget hearing anything from the DCCC or the National Party except when they want me to donate to elect people on the coasts.
I fully expected to be whomped if I ran against Adrian Smith. I suspect my past would be enough to sink me against the Hypocrite Party (erotic Romance editor running against a candidate from the Pussy Grabbing thrice-married party).
Nevertheless, I was willing to try to run. Any sort of a choice at all would have been something.
Bupkis. No matter how many times I wrote or called the state or national parties, all I got was requests for money.
I fully expected to lose if I ran against Mr. Smith. I at least wanted to give the people a choice.
The Democratic Party did not.
re: #162 Anymouse
Sorry to hear you got no support from your state Democratic party.
In your neck of the words, it’s going to come down to time, population change, and perhaps unique personalities that rise up every now and again, who can draw attention and change peoples’ minds.
re: #152 Anymouse
The GOP ran a fifty state strategy and we didn’t, with Mr. Trump ripping off the RNC every chance he got on billing.
The Dems have plenty of money. They did not choose to spend it on a fifty state strategy. NE-2 went for Obama last time round. Trump this time round.
What the heck is the party saving its money for? I thought it was for winning elections up and down the ballot. Perhaps it was just instead for a cancelled fireworks show in Brooklyn?
Trump only had state directors in 28 states, so I don’t know where you’re coming up with this 50 state strategy.
As long as the Democratic Party does not give a damn about the middle of the country it’s too hard to play a long game so we won’t do it at all then those structural electoral votes will never, ever go to the Democrats. (And they gave away NE-2 which they had.)
re: #163 Anymouse
I have been critical of the DNC and their bubble.
re: #165 BeachDem
Trump only had state directors in 28 states, so I don’t know where you’re coming up with this 50 state strategy.
Trump campaigned in every state. His surrogates appeared in every state and on local television and radio in every state. He advertised in every state. The Dems laughed at him campaigning in places like Massachusetts (which he didn’t win) and Pennsylvania (which he did).
Campaign offices are not the only component of a fifty state strategy.
We’re just flyover states, our electoral votes don’t matter.
re: #166 Anymouse
As long as the Democratic Party does not give a damn about the middle of the country it’s too hard to play a long game so we won’t do it at all then those structural electoral votes will never, ever go to the Democrats. (And they gave away NE-2 which they had.)
There’s only so much of a damn that can be given before you start cutting into “safe” state margins. For example, I live in one of the reddest portions of Virginia. Yeah, Democrats run candidates here, but they’re sacrificial at best, a way to argue that we’ve not been abandoned. But I don’t believe I’m ever going to have a Democrat as my federal representative. Or if I do, they’re going to be anything but a “Blue Dog” Joe Manchin type who’s effectively a Republican with a (D) next to his name.
re: #168 Anymouse
Trump campaigned in every state. His surrogates appeared in every state and on local television and radio in every state. He advertised in every state. The Dems laughed at him campaigning in places like Massachusetts (which he didn’t win) and Pennsylvania (which he did).
Campaign offices are not the only component of a fifty state strategy.
We’re just flyover states, our electoral votes don’t matter.
Your bitterness does nothing.
re: #164 freetoken
Sorry to hear you got no support from your state Democratic party.
In your neck of the words, it’s going to come down to time, population change, and perhaps unique personalities that rise up every now and again, who can draw attention and change peoples’ minds.
I’m not good enough for that. I can’t even get the attention of my own party. I can’t even get the attention of people here, who think trying to campaign in the forgotten middle of the country is a worthless effort.
You won’t see a unique personality here with that kind of support. That person if they have enough money will leave for a place like New York or California.
mr. klys offered to watch Zootopia. I was going to try to be in bed by midnight but I need a pick-me-up now. G’night, Lizards.
re: #162 Anymouse
You are mad, I get that. But you’re not. Fucking. Paying. Attention. One electoral vote since 1964 makes your state not strategically viable. Winning Florida counters half of the middle of America, and it’s actually viable. If you want to change Nebraska, drive the 400 miles to Omaha to connect with the Democrats there who had a shitton of events from what I can see of their FB page
Winning Florida is winning turnout. Winning Nebraska is making people comfortable with things like same sex marriage on a large scale, immigration, not being in general shitty to progressive views. How liberal was that Democrat who lasted one term? Did he lose because of lack of DNC support, or was he gerrymandered out? Your idea is that your neighbors just need to be exposed to liberal values, and they would vote democrat, and that is bullshit.
re: #175 klys (maker of Silmarils)
mr. klys offered to watch Zootopia. I was going to try to be in bed by midnight but I need a pick-me-up now. G’night, Lizards.
What is this Zootopia? Is that like a utopia, but with zoos?
I’m off to bed. In the morning I will take a walk around the village and catch the pulse of my constituents here. Hopefully my neighbour is just an aberration.
We’re in a very long cultural war.
The trying-to-prove-they’re-educated fundamentalists (like Dreher) will admit to the big picture.
The roots go back deep into time.
In my corner of the world the Institute for Creation Research ran from Santee (the home of Vopel) to Texas.
They might try to come up with this or that reason, but the bottom line is that they were becoming more isolated here as San Diego becomes less religious, more plural, and more Democratic btw.
I guess I am buying a bit into the “two Americas” idea, and that there is no real way to think of a single America, save some existential threat that actually physically attacks us.
Many pundits have pondered if the US can remain a single nation. It’s a topic of fiction.
I do wonder what life in the US will be like in a 100 years.
For now, I can only try to prick or nudge my little circle of influence towards a direction I think is better.
I think I’m going to bed too. I still feel numb and I just hope this doesn’t return my anxiety. I just feel worried about what this is going to mean for the future not just of our country but our planet too. And as I said some of my faith in the goodness of our countrymen and women is shaken. Really thought we’d know better. Hopefully Trump doesn’t fuck it all up and in a few years, we get on the right path again.
re: #155 BeachDem
What are you talking about re Pennsylvania. She, Bill, Kaine, Biden, Chelsea et all were all over Pennsylvania, and they did massive ad buys there as well.
They were also in Michigan a lot and did big ad buys there as well.
I’ll give you, she didn’t do much campaigning in Wisconsin.
I spent the last couple of days of the campaign doing get out the vote (by phone) in Michigan.
Def in the anger stage. Night & peace till tomorrow,
re: #168 Anymouse
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I think if the pussygrabbing video came out the friday before the election, it would have been a Clinton landslide. People I work with who were diehard Trump fans since before the primaries turned on him after that. There was more than enough time for them to come back. They may have claimed to be voting for Johnson or write-in, but you know by the time they got their ballot they sighed and voted for Trump. Not all of his supporters turned on him, but certainly enough to swing plenty of the states that went red and shouldn’t have.
re: #112 Anymouse
We don’t have cable in most of Nebraska outside of cities.
If Hillary Clinton, or Tim Kaine, or practically any Democratic leader showed up here for an interview on a local radio station or TV station, it would have been carried all over the state.
If the party had bothered to take out one bloody advert in a newspaper or magazine or on television or radio the message would have been in the field.
They didn’t even try. What part of that is so hard? Keep ceding half of California’s electoral votes and see how far we get.
Nebraska went for Trump by 26%. There’s literally nothing Clinton could do to change that. Sorry you’re disappointed Democrats don’t waste their time and money where they will never win, but that’s life.
Nebraska went for Trump more strongly than MISSISSIPPI. What on god’s green earth makes you think there’s anything for Democrats in a state that goes more heavily Republican than Mississippi?
re: #45 Anymouse
Even 500,000 population Wyoming gets three electoral votes. Those Senatorial electoral votes built into each state add up. Any Democratic campaign for President must consider those of us in the Heartland, or cede the field on ND, SD, NE, WY, ID, UT, MT, OK, AR, LA, AL, GA, SC, KS. (That is 28 electoral votes Dems cede every time they run and ignore us; that is a Pennsylvania sized count. Half of California. As long as the Dems keep ignoring us, they will continue losing all those votes.)
We will continue losing elections though we get the popular vote until Democrats get with the programme the system is structured so they have to campaign in all the states or cede a bunch of electoral votes. The Republicans get it.
I am for keeping the EC but
1) amending it so that it represents only the population and not the congressional seats of each state and
2) only having it kick in as a backup if neither candidate gets an uncontestable majority of the popular vote
that would not have affected the outcomes of 2000 or 2016, but it would make the EC more representative and balanced.
But as long as the Dems draw their support from states with densely populated rural areas and the GOP from the less populated states, the latter will not want to change it.
If this peice of shit really wants or cares to be presidential, he would have a press conference and make a case for the people of this country to come together and make this country the best it can be. This will never happen. Instead he acts like a child with hurt feelings and cries on twitter
re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I am for keeping the EC but
1) amending it so that it represents only the population and not the congressional seats of each state and
2) only having it kick in as a backup if neither candidate gets an uncontestable majority of the popular vote
that would not have affected the outcomes of 2000 or 2016, but it would make the EC more representative and balanced.
But as long as the Dems draw their support from states with densely populated rural areas and the GOP from the less populated states, the latter will not want to change it.
Fuck the EC. It makes some people’s votes more important than others, and leads the campaigns to spend all their time in fewer than 1/5 of the states.
re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White
Fuck the EC. It makes some people’s votes more important than others, and leads the campaigns to spend all their time in fewer than 1/5 of the states.
So should we instead simply have a first-past-the poll election or hold a run-off election between the two top finishers of there is no majority?
I would accept the latter but not the former. But the thought of having to re-run an election would be painful, given how excruciatingly long and tedious the process has become already.
Damn it, enough is enough!
“We lost because of X, Y, Z!”
“No, its because of A, B,C!”
“I blame these people!”
“You can’t let these people off the hook!”
Guess what?
We lost because of ALL OF THOSE REASONS.
Now, we can keep sniping at each other in a big fucking pity party, or we can sit our asses down, gather real information, come up with real strategies, and work to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Part of me waking up to how bad Republicans was how they dealt with the loss to Obama. Don’t start pulling their stupid shit now. Pull your heads out of your asses.
re: #191 Kragar
Every one of those reasons.
It’s possible for us to rationally discuss which factors are bigger than others and what areas can and should be focused on, but a raging screaming circular firing squad won’t help anyone.
re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
So should we instead simply have a first-past-the poll election or hold a run-off election between the two top finishers of there is no majority?
I would accept the latter but not the former. But the thought of having to re-run an election would be painful, given how excruciatingly long and tedious the process has become already.
How about whoever gets the greatest number of votes wins? That seems pretty simple.
re: #192 Jack Burton
Every one of those reasons.
It’s possible for us to rationally discuss which factors are bigger than others and what areas can and should be focused on, but a raging screaming circular firing squad won’t help anyone.
We don’t even have enough data to be sure what happened. People are drawing conclusions based on exit polls that made it look like Clinton was going to win. That doesn’t seem wise.
Nate Silver pointed out that if only 1 person in 100 had decided differently, we’d be having a different conversation. I’d point out that with Clinton heading for a popular vote margin of between 1 and 2%, it wasn’t even a question of MORE people as it was a question of WHICH people, and where they live.
re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White
WI and PA.
If those two states, as had long been expected to, went for Clinton, then the result would have been different.
Clinton won by millions of votes here in California. We could keep adding millions here in California, but that doesn’t change WI and PA.
@AngryBlackLady I made this horrible thing during the primary race and I’m still not sorry. pic.twitter.com/6U8wJnym6b
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re: #195 freetoken
WI and PA.
If those two states, as had long been expected to, went for Clinton, then the result would have been different.
Clinton won by millions of votes here in California. We could keep adding millions here in California, but that doesn’t change WI and PA.
You know, the Midwest will be losing seats in the next reapportionment. PA, Ohio, Michigan - all losing seats. California, Oregon, Colorado, Virginia? Gaining. Texas will gain as many as 3, but HRC overperformed Obama there.
As a response to what was said in the Ban on Muslims thread:
re: #20 Blind Frog Belly White
You know, honestly, I’m not sure how much more we could surrender it than we already have. Generally we advocate positions that >80% of Americans agree with, and yet wingnuts talk as if we advocate rounding up all the guns. We’re advocating positions the NRA itself agreed with 20 years ago, but they’re painted as extreme.
You can agree to repeal the Federal Firearms Act! And mebbe buy me the farst twanty legal M-16s in the US for mah militia here!
re: #197 Blind Frog Belly White
You know, the Midwest will be losing seats in the next reapportionment. PA, Ohio, Michigan - all losing seats. California, Oregon, Colorado, Virginia? Gaining. Texas will gain as many as 3, but HRC overperformed Obama there.
This is the real reason the 2018 midterms matter. If we go into 2020 with Trump as President and GOP still in control of both houses of Congress we can probably expect them to massively fuck with the Census results.
re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White
How about whoever gets the greatest number of votes wins? That seems pretty simple.
Acceptable in a two-party system, but that is not written in stone. Imagine an election with multiple candidates in which one candidate gets, say 32% of the vote while others get 28, 22 and 18% respectively?
Hardly a representative choice.
If we totally abolish the EC, then I would prefer a run-off election if no candidate gets a majority or a certain minimum percentage close to 50%
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re: #196 goddamnedfrank
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“People were enthusiastic about Bernie!” Not enough of them to win the primaries, despite every conspiracy theory you float to say that he really “won.” And what was going to happen to that enthusiasm the moment the GOP lit into him? How many bandwagon jumpers were going to leave the moment some very uncomfortable story about Bernie made the airwaves? Like his rape fantasy story? Or his stealing power from is neighbor for years while living in a basement? Or all those votes that he justified at the time but now suddenly didn’t want to discuss or tried to lie that he didn’t mean to vote that way.
WHY THE FUCK ARE SOME ALBANIANS SUPPORTING TRUMP?!?!?!
Albanians at the root of their spirit are freedom and justice lovers that embrace Western Values
Congratulations to Donald Trump!@ediramaal pic.twitter.com/td1hbZxQyB— Alb_Prosperity (@Alb_Prosperity) November 10, 2016
Here in good old Simi Valley. pic.twitter.com/qj5nb5f2Ij
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 11, 2016
Simi also experienced a partial meltdown of a sodium cooled nuclear reactor in the 50’s, out in the Santa Susanna Pass. Place is cursed.
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 11, 2016
re: #203 goddamnedfrank
Home of the Reagan Presidential Library.
I was thinking about the question of violence and vandalism at protests, and this occurred to me: If I were black, or Muslim, or Latino, or LGBT, why would I NOT riot?
re: #202 electrotek
WHY THE FUCK ARE SOME ALBANIANS SUPPORTING TRUMP?!?!?!
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Probably because Erdogan had issued some harsh threats that they’d stop cooperating with US and deny us access to Incirlik if Trump won. He’s backed off since but the Albanians probably see an opportunity to drive a wedge between Turkey and the US.
re: #75 Anymouse
The Democrats ran a campaign for the coasts, and ceded enough electoral votes for half of California. Take even part of those states above away from the (R) column, and we might have had a chance.
How? Be specific.
re: #206 goddamnedfrank
Probably because Erdogan had issued some harsh threats that they’d stop cooperating with US and deny us access to Incirlik if Trump won. He’s backed off since but the Albanians probably see an opportunity to drive a wedge between Turkey and the US.
Do they have short term memories? It was the Clintons that saved them from being butchered by Serb militias!!!
My friend who is an Albanian Muslim from fucking Kosovo voted for him!
re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White
Well, if Kobach is really tagged as the person to run the immigration policy, you can bet there will be riots when the gov’t starts pulling people out of schools and workplaces.
So again: imagine what the Internet would look and sound like right now if DT were the candidate who had won a majority of the popular vote but lost the EC…
My response to a friend who is still a friend on FB when he posted an article that says don’t be mad at Bernie. Be mad at the Democratic Party:
Sorry. But he’s in large part responsible as well. So many Trump supporters ratfucked his campaign making it seem like he was more popular than he was. And it was no surprise Trump used his words against Hillary.
If you think a Jewish Socialist from Vermont would have had any chance against the Trump machine…
8 million Democrats. And 47 million eligible voters didn’t turn out to vote because of all the negative bullshit.
One campaign was and still is about hatred and taking things away from people not like them. Hillary’s, whether you like her or not, was the polar opposite. All the social progress under Obama just got erased, and we will be set back at least 60 years. It’s going to take generations to recover from this.
I’m mad at the DNC as well. Mad at them for letting in an outsider who never did a single thing for them since he became a politician.
I know we will never see eye to eye about this subject. But I know we also respect each other. I got your back for the next 4 years. Hopefully in 2 years we can somewhat neuter Trump with midterm victories. But it can’t happen if divided like this. There are bigger issues at hand instead of ideological purity tests which will get us nowhere.
The problem is. The Dems have 25 senators up for re-election while the Republicans have 8 if I remember correctly. We can turn this disaster around, or into a calamity. It’s our choice.
When he starts going after Roe v Wade, gay marriage, the LGBT community, Social Security, Medicare, banking regulations, trade… you name it, the fact Bernie didn’t get the nomination for whatever reason just won’t matter anymore.
When I say look at the big picture, I’m talking about the very future of this country. I’m not going to fight for myself, but for my poor, gay, minority, and immigrant friends and family. They are what matter most to me and I’ll be damned if I let Trump take any of them away from me. But I can’t do it alone. I need you too, my friend.
re: #209 electrotek
Do they have short term memories? It was the Clintons that saved them from being butchered by Serb militias!!!
My friend who is an Albanian Muslim from fucking Kosovo voted for him!
It’s more like they have very good long term memories and simply will not trust Turkey until it at least acknowledges the Armenian Genocide.
I mean, I totally get your point, all I’m saying is that they see this as an opportunity for some realpolitik. They aren’t saying they preferred Trump over Clinton, they’re just using the election to advance their own interests. They’d be doing the same if Hillary had won.
re: #213 goddamnedfrank
It’s more like they have very good long term memories and simply will not trust Turkey until it at least acknowledges the Armenian Genocide.
I mean, I totally get your point, all I’m saying is that they see this as an opportunity for some realpolitik. They aren’t saying they preferred Trump over Clinton, they’re just using the election to advance their own interests. They’d be doing the same if Hillary had won.
Not sure if Albanians in Michigan really care about what goes on back home, because if they did they would have been eager to vote for Clinton as a token of appreciation for saving them.
re: #2 Charles Johnson
That’s not Russian.
For the next time:
иди на хуй
отъебись, мудак
re: #49 Ziggy_TARDIS
That’s why I am supporting Dean.
While Dean may know his stuff, he’s very problematic.
I know it’s not time to be a purist, but surely Dean is not the only person that can do it.
re: #214 electrotek
Not sure if Albanians in Michigan really care about what goes on back home, because if they did they would have been eager to vote for Clinton as a token of appreciation for saving them.
Albanians EVERYWHERE are acutely conscious of the genocide that was perpetrated against their people by the Ottoman Empire. Turkey’s steadfast denial that it even occurred goes way beyond being as sore spot for them, it’s insult, degradation and implied future threat all rolled into one. Think how the Chinese and Koreans feel about Japan’s fifty year refusal to acknowledge the Rape of Nanking and the comfort women, then multiply the scale of the atrocity and double the length of time it’s been ignored. Do not underestimate the degree of lingering rage at play here.
You’re also assuming that they weren’t eager to vote for Clinton, which doesn’t follow from the evidence presented. Trump’s Islamophobia and anti-immigrant sentiment probably did turn many if not most of them off. They probably are afraid of him. But like I said this is realpolitik, it’s about advancing their communities interests wherever possible, lemons into lemonade, etc.
Starbucks Joins Program to Offer Safe Haven to LGBT People From Hate Crimes https://t.co/3OPE9w8TZf
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 11, 2016
re: #216 Nyet
While Dean may know his stuff, he’s very problematic.
I know it’s not time to be a purist, but surely Dean is not the only person that can do it.
Deval Patrick comes to mind.
re: #57 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I’ve forgotten my history regarding the EC, but IIRC it boiled down to giving the states a say in the election, rather than giving voters free rein. It’s similar to the Senate balancing the House of Representatives, so that the least populated states don’t get trampled by the big guys. It serves as a brake on rampant populism (mob rule) but unfortunately has allowed the losing candidate (according to the will of the people) to win the presidency several times now.
Em.
1. How exactly are least populated states trampled by the PV? With PV every vote counts. The candidates have to campaign everywhere.
2. Even if they were trampled, who cares? You don’t put your finger on the scale and make some votes weigh more just because of some fucked up sense of pseudofairness.
3. “It serves as a brake on rampant populism (mob rule)” - you did not write it with a straight face, did you?
4. How can EC prevent populism (we know it can’t) even theoretically? Populist-inspired voters elect populist electors who elect a populist candidate. Where’s the catch?
All seems like a bunch of hooey to me.
re: #60 HappyWarrior
The Founders never really trusted the people so the EC is in line with that.
Problem is, EC in no way prevents the mob rule.
re: #221 Nyet
Problem is, EC in no way prevents the mob rule.
Again, as long as the Dems draw their core support from states with densely populated rural areas and the GOP from the less populated states, the GOP will remain over-weighted in the EC and have no incentive to change it.
Whatever the Founders intentions were with regards to the Electoral College are moot because in operation it’s been nothing but a fucking disaster. There’s a reason not one country that has patterned their government explicitly after the US Constitutional model, and there are tons of them, has chosen to adopt the EC. They’ve all taken one look at that and said “hard pass.”
re: #218 Kragar
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So, how long before some ultra-right group of goobers launches a national boycott against Starbucks over this?
Obama’s biggest mistake was not prosecuting anyone for torture. He’s enabled what is coming.
re: #224 Targetpractice
So, how long before some ultra-right group of goobers launches a national boycott against Starbucks over this?
Those people don’t drink starbucks, they drink monster energy drinks or mountain dew.
@zsBuZuS I’m not the one normalizing hate like your homegirl Asra is.
— دانیال (@danja84) November 11, 2016
@AsraNomani @kmascia Oh, look, a Trump-voting sociopath (but I repeat myself) babbles about humanity.
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) November 11, 2016
Asked about Trump, Pope says his concern is for politicians’ impact on the poor
Pope Francis declined to give a personal judgment on U.S. President-elect Donald Trump in an interview on Friday, saying he was interested only in the impact of politicians’ choices on the poor.
Asked what he thought of the real estate mogul who won Tuesday’s U.S. presidential election, the Argentine pontiff was quoted in Italian newspaper La Repubblica as saying: “I do not make judgments on people and political men, I only want to understand what suffering their behavior causes to the poor and the excluded.”
Francis went on to say that his greatest concern at the moment is for refugees and migrants, declaring: “We must knock down the walls that divide.”
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Subtle. Or not.
re: #229 freetoken
I think he’ll be tapped for the new Office of Ideological Certification.
Some retard ppl say only white racist males support Trump. That’s wrong, I’m a Saudi Muslim guy and I’m all with Trump. #TrumpRiot
— آية الله إسكوبار (@ArabsTweet) November 11, 2016
re: #233 electrotek
Some retard ppl say only white racist males support Trump. That’s wrong, I’m a Saudi Muslim guy and I’m all with Trump
non-white racist males support him, too!
LOL the responses:
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK pic.twitter.com/jjGX9eU7gJ
— Danielle Natale (@daniellenatalee) November 9, 2016
re: #229 freetoken
Press Secretary: Alex Jones.
Problem: even as the president you can’t make vaportrails disappear.
re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Peeked quickly at this twitter page… seems to be the typical frustrated male projecting his weakness.
Jesus Christ, I’d hate to have that last name:
HELL YEAH TRUMP WINS YALL BETTER GET READY TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
— Taylor Breivik (@loltaylr) November 9, 2016
Guess it all fits.
re: #233 electrotek
#MustafaKemalAtaturk is a secular and scum terrorist. Wish he’s being roasted in hell.
— آية الله إسكوبار (@ArabsTweet) November 10, 2016
I haven’t been this down and anxious in a while. Insomnia coming back. Not good.
re: #243 Amory Blaine
I haven’t been this down and anxious in a while. Insomnia coming back. Not good.
Lots of people very weighed down everywhere…my expat buddies here in Germany are all in the dumps and those who have returned are starting to regret it.
re: #220 Nyet
Em.
1. How exactly are least populated states trampled by the PV? With PV every vote counts. The candidates have to campaign everywhere.
2. Even if they were trampled, who cares? You don’t put your finger on the scale and make some votes weigh more just because of some fucked up sense of pseudofairness.
3. “It serves as a brake on rampant populism (mob rule)” - you did not write it with a straight face, did you?
4. How can EC prevent populism (we know it can’t) even theoretically? Populist-inspired voters elect populist electors who elect a populist candidate. Where’s the catch?All seems like a bunch of hooey to me.
Don’t dump on me for what the Founding Fathers of the USA had in mind. I wasn’t defending the EC, and I resent your tone suggesting that I was. I was trying to recall the reasons for the creation of the EC, which other lizards for the most part have corroborated. If you don’t like those reasons, don’t be blaming me.
Historically speaking, the Articles of Confederation were a total disaster. In order to convince the individual states to ratify the Constitution and create a federal government, the Constitutional Convention had to offer the states some assurances that the small states (CT and DE back then) would not be overwhelmed by the more populous states. The infamous 3/5 rule for census apportionment, the Senate (each state gets two votes) and the Electoral College were the bones offered to placate the states, which largely wanted to be independent of each other as much as possible. The issue of slavery was a non-starter, since to abolish slavery in the Constitution would have divided the nascent USA in half, so it was not even addressed.
And yeah, all that sucks. We smart people in the 21st century can ask, why didn’t they do this or that? That those guys in the late 18th century managed to put together a nation out of a ragtag collection of contentious state governments was a miracle in itself. Without compromises, the USA would have never been created.
well the good news is, if you like to cross the line of decency, Half of America says GO FOR IT!
re: #245 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Without compromises, the USA would have never been created.
But I thought compromise is bad? Isn’t that what all the religious-right keep saying?
re: #246 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
well the good news is, if you like to cross the line of decency, Half of America says GO FOR IT!
I guess pussy grabbing will be a new sport now, along with wall building and rapid deportations.
re: #247 freetoken
But I thought compromise is bad? Isn’t that what all the religious-right keep saying?
One only compromises out of necessity, and then only long enough to move into a more favorable position to crush the opposition…
re: #245 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
It’s hard for me to connect with what life was like in the 18th century.
Working a bit on the genealogy, reading about people of that time, it was a different world in many aspects.
Re: Dems campaigning in 50 states. I remember talking to a very very senior RNC official back in 1991 who used to brag of the exact opposite. The Republican strategy back then was to split and radicalize the vote as much as possible, then focus all their resources on the swing votes in states worth 270 electoral college votes. I so remember him laughing at the Dems for their “50 state” rhetoric. “Great, waste your money!” he said.
And it is interesting to see how our language has changed, too.
Looking at documents (such as probate) from the middle 19th century, the language is fairly similar to today.
But go back just a 100 years and there is a large difference. Going back and reading some stuff, like a land charter one of my ancestors got from the crown, is strikingly different in script and grammar and spelling and even the lexicon.
re: #250 freetoken
It’s hard for me to connect with what life was like in the 18th century.
Working a bit on the genealogy, reading about people of that time, it was a different world in many aspects.
I remind people that information could not travel any faster than a man on a horse, and that most people did not travel more than 20 miles from where they were born.
re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Well, my (American) ancestors got around. They were always moving westward. All the time. It wasn’t until the 20th century that the started to stay in place. Makes tracing them a challenge.
Contra my Scandinavian ancestors, many families of which stayed on the same farm for centuries.
re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
non-white racist males support him, too!
I am informed that only whites can be racist.
re: #256 Decatur Deb
I am informed that only whites can be racist.
only white racists can be called out for it. and blacks can use the n-word if they want to
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re: #256 Decatur Deb
I am informed that only whites can be racist.
Here we will pedantically point out that Middle Easterners are “white”, if we want to go by some out-dated ideas of race.
re: #255 freetoken
Well, my (American) ancestors got around. They were always moving westward. All the time. It wasn’t until the 20th century that the started to stay in place. Makes tracing them a challenge.
Contra my Scandinavian ancestors, many families of which stayed on the same farm for centuries.
The Civil War changed that to a great degree, but even once the immigrants and pioneers reached their destination, their goal was to stay put.
re: #247 freetoken
But I thought compromise is bad? Isn’t that what all the religious-right keep saying?
Yeesh! Don’t get me started on the Religious Right/Tea Party absolutism. Politics is all about compromise, which a fair number of extremists of all political stripes Just. Don’t. Get.
If compromise had not been the order of the day in the 1780s, by 1812 the confederation would have been a sitting duck and most of the member states would have been British colonies again.
re: #253 freetoken
And it is interesting to see how our language has changed, too.
Looking at documents (such as probate) from the middle 19th century, the language is fairly similar to today.
But go back just a 100 years and there is a large difference. Going back and reading some stuff, like a land charter one of my ancestors got from the crown, is strikingly different in script and grammar and spelling and even the lexicon.
My family doesn’t even know how their last name is really spelled. They came over during the worst time, When every one was eating each other in Jamestown. They spelled things differently from year to year.
re: #258 freetoken
Here we will pedantically point out that Middle Easterners are “white”, if we want to go by some out-dated ideas of race.
Different argument. The statement in 234 isn’t mine.
re: #250 freetoken
It’s hard for me to connect with what life was like in the 18th century.
Working a bit on the genealogy, reading about people of that time, it was a different world in many aspects.
The confederated states were in a precarious situation in the late 18th century. They were very nearly broke. There was no standing army or navy, and the European colonial powers were still vying to carve up North America for themselves. The individual states were not cooperating with one another, or even willing to cooperate. The North was becoming more industrial than the South, and the South was turning into a version of a feudal state. Left alone, the Confederation would have fallen apart of its own accord, even without the constant threat of invasion by superior forces. If the American government had not been rebooted, we would not be here today.
Political absolutists, though, don’t understand this. Heck, even religious organizations require some kind of compromise to function, until one faction or another just calls it quits and forms a new religious organization, and on and on it goes.
What this election will permit is that kind of absolutism. Our way or the highway.
re: #261 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
Yup. “Spelling” was very arbitrary. My Jamestown ancestors (who were there at the massacre) had one of the easier and most common surnames, so it was usually spelled the same.
Many Americans, so it has been reported, claim “German” as the most common ancestral region. You can find news stories about that.
But I doubt it. Most people can’t build their family trees back but a few generations. Yet if one’s ancestors were here by the time of the Civil War, then you probably also have ancestors here back to the beginning of the colonies. Which means you likely have many ancestors from England and Ireland.
There were immigrants from Germanic states in the early colonies, most in PA. So in that regards, yes, many Americans are descended from them too (including me.) Yet those immigrants may not have come from places which today are technically inside the borders of modern Germany. Some came from Prussia, some from in the region bordering France that got switched between powers, and some came from what today is Switzerland.
re: #262 Decatur Deb
Different argument. The statement in 234 isn’t mine.
I think he doesn’t understand it, though.
To him “white” probably means northern European.
re: #264 freetoken
There were immigrants from Germanic states in the early colonies, most in PA. So in that regards, yes, many Americans are descended from them too (including me.) Yet those immigrants may not have come from places which today are technically inside the borders of modern Germany. Some came from Prussia, some from in the region bordering France that got switched between powers, and some came from what today is Switzerland.
My grandmother, for example, came from what is now the Czech Republic, but her name was Maria Schulz.
I suspect China is clamping down on the Internet, because pages are taking forever to load. Either that, or Single’s Day shoppers are overwhelming the Intertubes.
Singles Day is a non-official holiday here (11/11). It originated on a college campus to celebrate single-ness, but was quickly commercialized into one of the biggest retail sales events of the year.
re: #265 freetoken
I think he doesn’t understand it, though.
To him “white” probably means northern European.
European? Screw those continental mongrels. If you’re not from County Mayo, you’re not Mayonnaise.
re: #94 Stanley Sea
Who fucking cares. A talking lying Yam won. Don’t really know what we could do.
I am going to second this, and it’s based on my experience this year picketing Mark Driscoll’s new church plant in Scottsdale.
For those of you who don’t know who Mark Driscoll is, Wikipedia gives the introduction:
So this is a guy who plagiarized his books, used church money to get one of them on to the New York Times bestseller list, regularly called women names, was very clear about the fact that anyone who got in his way was going to get thrown under the “Mars Hill bus,” and was getting $650,000 in 2014 to do all of this. When his elder board FINALLY decided to do something about it, he got a convenient revelation from God to leave, which caused his 13 site megachurch (across five states) to spectacularly implode. Now he’s brought himself to Scottsdale.
I’ve been out in front of his church since March. It does not matter to these people that the guy is a liar and all the rest. He’s a “man of God,” he “preaches God’s word,” and so on and so forth. I realized when Trump got elected that it’s like Mark Driscoll writ large. The same people who go to Driscoll’s church on Sundays voted for the short-fingered vulgarian. We didn’t have a chance. They WANT to listen to lies.
And this really gutted me, and I’ve had to do a lot of soul searching over the last couple of days. Is it even worth it to be out in front of Driscoll’s church when people will just believe his lies?
I decided, for my own mental health, that I’d pull back from regular picketing. Instead, I’ll do pickets with the elements of surprise. So I don’t hit the first service one Sunday, or I show up after the second service. I still will do car counts and if numbers start going up, go back to regular picketing. But I suspect numbers will not go up unless he starts doing regular outreach. In Seattle, Driscoll had cool bands to entice people to come. Here he’s got nothing of the sort.
News outlets giddy about how great Trump is sounding so far.
But why aren’t they talking about the emails anymore?
Our news media is so smart. ///
re: #166 Anymouse
As long as the Democratic Party does not give a damn about the middle of the country it’s too hard to play a long game so we won’t do it at all then those structural electoral votes will never, ever go to the Democrats. (And they gave away NE-2 which they had.)
I am TIRED, very TIRED of hearing this bitching and moaning. Really, really, really tired. Read what I wrote about Mark Driscoll. You can’t win when 85 percent of white evangelicals will vote for a damned liar because they’re used to being lied to by their megachurch pastors.
Now, what are you going to do to help those of us Americans (and I’m not including myself, because I’m white, middle class and middle aged) who are under serious threat from a Trump administration. At this point, Job One has got to be protecting our fellow Americans from the inevitable destruction of a Trump administration, not bitching and moaning about how Clinton didn’t campaign in deep red Nebraska.
Oh, and by the way, I never, ever saw Trump go to California and campaign. So much for your 50 state campaign bullshit.
re: #245 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
It was only directed at you in item 3 because you did write that it serves as a brake. But I should have made it more clear.
There is a lot to be learned from this election. We must try to understand the other side…..OH LOOK, A KARDASHIAN!!!
re: #271 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
News outlets giddy about how great Trump is sounding so far.
he is going to have some initially positive-sounding surprises…
and we are in a post-reality world where he and his people will be able to screw up even more biglier than he ever did in business and it will be praised as a great success while scapegoats will be sought among minorities, meddling foreigners or (((bankers)))
re: #273 mmmirele
Oh, and by the way, I never, ever saw Trump go to California and campaign. So much for your 50 state campaign bullshit.
He did. Quite a few times actually.
re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
he is going to have some initially positive-sounding surprises…
and we are in a post-reality world where he and his people will be able to screw up even more biglier than he ever did in business and it will be praised as a great success while scapegoats will be sought among minorities, meddling foreigners or (((bankers)))
The whole “bankers” thing that Bannon and the alt right have won really worries me. I’m not even Jewish but ill be damned if those jack holes get any more power to party like it’s 1939.
re: #274 Nyet
It was only directed at you in item 3 because you did write that it serves as a brake. But I should have made it more clear.
And I was restating what one of the reasons for its creation was. I was not saying that I believed it can serve as a brake against populism. The founders of the American republic were fearful of mob rule, and you can’t really blame them, as there weren’t a whole lot of extant republics available on which to base a government. Of course, some believed majority rule was a good idea, but others still held to some sort of “enlightened ruler” model.
Clearly, the Electoral College in this election will likely fail one of its intended purposes, to prevent “the people” from electing an unqualified demagogue as president.
re: #280 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
The whole “bankers” thing that Bannon and the alt right have won really worries me. I’m not even Jewish but ill be damned if those jack holes get any more power to party like it’s 1939.
the old bait-and-switch…they hold the “bankers” up as scapegoats while working with them to fleece us. that was one of Hillary’s major failings in the eyes of the electorate, she could not get away with pulling off a stunt like that, she wound up being identified with the (((enemy)))
Some folks are hoping for Trump’s impeachment after the Trump U case.
I’m not sure that having Pres. Pence is a better idea though. At least with Trump there is some wiggle room since he is not much of an ideologue and could go soft on some social issues. He’s at least somewhat malleable (used to be a Dem, to praise the Clintons etc.).
With Pence - forget it.
On the other hand Pence might not cause a diplomatic crisis because he’s had a bad hair day. Choices, choices.
re: #276 Nyet
Which claim is by itself racist.
It’s Alabama. We take our lefty friends as they come.
re: #283 Nyet
With Pence - forget it.
On the other hand Pence might not cause a diplomatic crisis because he’s had a bad hair day. Choices, choices.
Just imagine if enough people within the GOP establishment see a chance to finally rid themselves of DT and act on it before he permanently tarnishes the GOP brand…I do not see that as much of a possibility, and the alternatives could be possibly much worse for us all.
re: #281 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Still not in the clear about what the FFs were thinking. Larger mob elects a smaller mob, nothing else…
re: #285 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Tarnishes? I expect the Republicans to openly run on white nationalism now. Hey, it wins them elections.
re: #287 Nyet
Tarnishes? I expect the Republicans to openly run on white nationalism now. Hey, it wins them elections.
You are probably right, in our new alternative media reality, nothing DT does can harm the GOP
Suzanne was documentary:
leonardcohenfiles.com
Ok, who took the phone from him and is kicking off President Elect 2.0 persona?:
Love the fact that the small groups of protesters last night have passion for our great country. We will all come together and be proud!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2016
re: #290 freetoken
Ok, who took the phone from him and is kicking off President Elect 2.0 persona?:
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How beautiful. But then again, go fuck off.
re: #292 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
How beautiful. But then again, go fuck off.
OMG not you Freetoken. I meant Trump!
So a friend on FB posted a picture of the First Lady-elect and had it taken down because it was too explicit
Only in America
Watching Morning Joe. They are sure they know why Trump won.
Has this been shared here?
Avaaz - Join the “World to Trump” Open Letter
I have been watching old episodes of honey boo boo to try to understand Trump supporters.
re: #297 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
I have been watching old episodes of honey boo boo to try to understand Trump supporters.
Old episodes of reality shows filmed at Miskatonic University are less sanity-destroying.
re: #286 Nyet
Still not in the clear about what the FFs were thinking. Larger mob elects a smaller mob, nothing else…
Consider this: you are among a small group of well educated men, largely from the British Isles, trying to govern a large, mostly uneducated population accustomed to a monarchy. The last revolution (in the 17th century) was one fomented by populism and religious extremism, which deposed the monarch in favor of a religious nutcase who for all intents and purposes became a monarch, just without the bloodline. This government soon collapsed, and the monarchy was restored. That was still recent history for our Founding Fathers, and no doubt it influenced their reluctance to let a poorly educated populace unaccustomed to democracy run the show without some kind of limitations.
Now we have a somewhat better educated population, who are nevertheless susceptible to propaganda and demagoguery. Whether the present Electoral College system could prevent “mob rule” is a debatable point, and personally I am not prepared to defend the EC as a necessary institution. Perhaps it served a useful purpose in the 18th and early 19th centuries. Now it seems out of touch with politics as it exists today.
I came to the realization this morning that I hadn’t eaten much since Tuesday night.
Pathetic.
:/
re: #300 Varek Raith
I came to the realization this morning that I hadn’t eaten much since Tuesday night.
Pathetic.
:/
I haven’t eaten in 2 days.
re: #301 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
I haven’t eaten in 2 days.
that’s okay, I have been making that up for you…to each his own means of coping…
re: #300 Varek Raith
Self-Care 101: Make sure you eat, even if you’re too depressed/angry to.
GO EAT SOME SHIT!
No, I mean, don’t eat some shit…
GO EAT FOOD! GO EAT PIZZA! EVEN IF IT HAS PINEAPPLE ON IT! GO EAT CHIPS AND SALSA! EVEN IF ITS A PEA AND AVOCADO SALSA!
re: #302 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
that’s okay, I have been making that up for you…to each his own means of coping…
re: #303 Jayleia
Self-Care 101: Make sure you eat, even if you’re too depressed/angry to.
GO EAT SOME SHIT!
No, I mean, don’t eat some shit…
GO EAT FOOD! GO EAT PIZZA! EVEN IF IT HAS PINEAPPLE ON IT! GO EAT CHIPS AND SALSA! EVEN IF ITS A PEA AND AVOCADO SALSA!
I know. I’m going to eat some avocado.
re: #303 Jayleia
Self-Care 101: Make sure you eat, even if you’re too depressed/angry to.
GO EAT SOME SHIT!
No, I mean, don’t eat some shit…
GO EAT FOOD! GO EAT PIZZA! EVEN IF IT HAS PINEAPPLE ON IT! GO EAT CHIPS AND SALSA! EVEN IF ITS A PEA AND AVOCADO SALSA!
I haz mashed taters and some ham right now.
:)
Haha. I tried to text my nieces in a very diplomatic way. I told them “there are some people in this world who think very different than you… little Hannah interrupted me and said. “Yeah we live in a racist, misogynist, classist world, what else is new!
re: #301 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
I haven’t eaten in 2 days.
I had lunch on Election Day. Wednesday, at around 3pm, I took a walk and got myself a burrito. Yesterday I had lunch.
We’ll look back on this all and have a good laugh—in 4 to 8 years.
re: #308 Decatur Deb
We’ll look back on this all and have a good laugh—in 4 to 8 years.
I keep telling myself (as I did directly after my divorce) that the news has to get worse before it can start getting better.
Re: The electoral college. At the time it was created, New York was a small state, much smaller than Virginia. And with the slave states getting the 3/5ths rule, I’m sure the smaller states wanted something to counter that. It probably should have gone away when slavery did.
re: #310 Belafon
Re: The electoral college. At the time it was created, New York was a small state, much smaller than Virginia. And with the slave states getting the 3/5ths rule, I’m sure the smaller states wanted something to counter that. It probably should have gone away when slavery did.
nor were there as many states…
Again, I am for keeping it, but in amended form: first, re-weighted to reflect relative population and not Congressional seats, and only as a back-up plan if neither candidate gets an uncontestable majority.
I am not for a first-past-the-post election; if we are going to go with popular vote only, then we would have to have a provision for a runoff between the top two finishers.
re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I keep telling myself (as I did directly after my divorce) that the news has to get worse before it can start getting better.
We have no measure of how bad it will get. In the near-worst case, we will get to see if we are as tough as our parents and grandparents.
2016 took away Bowie, Prince, and Cohen and gave us Trump. Fuck You, 2016.
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) November 11, 2016
re: #312 Decatur Deb
We have no measure of how bad it will get. In the near-worst case, we will get to see if we are as tough as our parents and grandparents.
thanks for the uplifting words…
mistermix over at balloon-juice.com makes a really good point that the Democrats need to act on.
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REMINDER: On his first day in office, Trump promised to allow firearms on to school properties. #NotMyPresident
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) November 11, 2016
So, in the GOP double standard time, we find out that Megyn Kelly sat on the fact that Trump was fed questions before the debate.
Megyn Kelly claims in her memoir that Donald Trump got a debate question in advance https://t.co/W3pmrSDA2O pic.twitter.com/yuzf18zgjW
— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) November 11, 2016
And why wasn’t this something that she stated on air in a forum that she controlled? https://t.co/8lOqBk75ch
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 11, 2016
Shocking, I know.
Amazing we didn’t hear about that before the election.
Same way we didn’t hear that Trump was feeding perks to journalists. If Clinton had done anything remotely like that, we’d be talking about bribing journalists, which is essentially what it is - access for saying good things. That’s a good journalist. Sit. Roll over. Play dead.
@Rschooley “Many reporters have told me that Trump worked hard to offer them something fabulous — from hotel rooms to rides on his 757.” pic.twitter.com/kRe8cb0LHh
— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) November 11, 2016
Journalism failed us badly this election. In network media especially, there was a single minded determination to make a horse race, they absolutely ignored one candidate’s failings. And criminality. And moral failures. All of it.
Trump surrounded himself with bigots and louts, and the only thing we heard was Clinton emails, which were a nothing burger, but it reinforced Trump’s line that she was corrupt and criminal. Facts didn’t matter. Logic didn’t matter.
Journalism took a dive this election.
re: #319 lawhawk
As my son and I put it: She was called a slut, and it stuck; for him, “Boys will be boys.”
Question:
Seeing how -
1) President-elect *vomits* tRump will NOT carry the popular vote from the looks of it, and will thus not really have a mandate by any standard; and
2) Congress/Senate is not actually required to approve SQ justices per the constitution’s wording; and
3) Congress/Senate has had more than enough time to approve/disapprove SQ candidate Garland and just simply decided not to do anything; and lastly
4) Obama is still the popularly-elected president until the end of December;
- Couldn’t Obama just decide to appoint Garland to the Supreme Court before the end of December and be done with it?
re: #321 Archangelus
Question:
Seeing how -
1) President-elect *vomits* tRump will NOT carry the popular vote from the looks of it, and will thus not really have a mandate by any standard; and
2) Congress/Senate is not actually required to approve SQ justices per the constitution’s wording; and
3) Congress/Senate has had more than enough time to approve/disapprove SQ candidate Garland and just simply decided not to do anything; and lastly
4) Obama is still the popularly-elected president until the end of December;- Couldn’t Obama just decide to appoint Garland to the Supreme Court before the end of December and be done with it?
Only if both chambers recess, which they are not going to do.
re: #321 Archangelus
Question:
Seeing how -
1) President-elect *vomits* tRump will NOT carry the popular vote from the looks of it, and will thus not really have a mandate by any standard; and
2) Congress/Senate is not actually required to approve SQ justices per the constitution’s wording; and
3) Congress/Senate has had more than enough time to approve/disapprove SQ candidate Garland and just simply decided not to do anything; and lastly
4) Obama is still the popularly-elected president until the end of December;- Couldn’t Obama just decide to appoint Garland to the Supreme Court before the end of December and be done with it?
Very high-priced lawyer question. The GOP has been successful in manipulating the calendar to prevent the kind of openings that prevent ‘recess’ appointments.
re: #321 Archangelus
Question:
Seeing how -
1) President-elect *vomits* tRump will NOT carry the popular vote from the looks of it, and will thus not really have a mandate by any standard; and
2) Congress/Senate is not actually required to approve SQ justices per the constitution’s wording; and
3) Congress/Senate has had more than enough time to approve/disapprove SQ candidate Garland and just simply decided not to do anything; and lastly
4) Obama is still the popularly-elected president until the end of December;- Couldn’t Obama just decide to appoint Garland to the Supreme Court before the end of December and be done with it?
Not how any of this works. Only way Obama could get Garland on is if he does a recess appointment. And the Senate is maintaining its session to block that very scenario. Garland will never get a hearing.
Thanks GOP.
Thanks voters for not voting or ignoring all the evidence Trump was going to be an epic shit show of bigotry, hate, and pushing white nationalism all while screwing over the very white folks who voted for him overwhelmingly.
Beautiful, talented, and smart.
Today Trump denounced protests against him, but so far nothing denouncing the KKK celebration parade in his honor.
— Emmy Rossum (@emmyrossum) November 11, 2016
re: #308 Decatur Deb
While we’re warming ourselves by the fire under the bridge.
re: #326 Amory Blaine
While we’re warming ourselves by the fire under the bridge.
After killing the family under the other bridge to get their curtain rod and pigeon.
The GOP opposition to Trump crumbles as you knew it would. Fuck Erickson. Fuck all of them. We knew they’d go in with Trump the moment the election was over, because they know that their agenda would get rammed through a Congress they dominate.
We are now under total Republican rule. Textbook fascism. Fuck you, white America. Fuck you, you racist, misogynist pieces of shit. G’night.
— Laci Green (@gogreen18) November 9, 2016
I’m rapidly becoming a huge Trump fan thanks to idiots like this. https://t.co/484JFW01Rs
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) November 10, 2016
“I may start supporting a powerful aspiring autocrat because I’m offended by the powerless people who oppose him.” https://t.co/ZepFLqxN7y
— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) November 11, 2016
re: #217 goddamnedfrank
That was the Armenians.
Albanians suffered Genocide from Greeks and Serbians just a little before that.
re: #330 Ziggy_TARDIS
That was the Armenians.
Albanians suffered Genocide from Greeks and Serbians just a little before that.
And I thought they were the ones who suffered from Sherman’s March to the Sea…
re: #328 lawhawk
The GOP opposition to Trump crumbles as you knew it would. Fuck Erickson. Fuck all of them. We knew they’d go in with Trump the moment the election was over, because they know that their agenda would get rammed through a Congress they dominate.
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I follow Laci Green on Twitter and YouTube. She’s no idiot. In a debate with Erick son of Erick, she’d leave him babbling like a baboon.
re: #202 electrotek
Albanians blindly support the US.
They followed us into Iraq. Do not read too much into this.
re: #324 lawhawk
Not how any of this works. Only way Obama could get Garland on is if he does a recess appointment. And the Senate is maintaining its session to block that very scenario. Garland will never get a hearing.
Thanks GOP.
Thanks voters for not voting or ignoring all the evidence Trump was going to be an epic shit show of bigotry, hate, and pushing white nationalism all while screwing over the very white folks who voted for him overwhelmingly.
The undocumented community in freaking Alabama has found its cojones. We probably should too.
The Birmingham-based Alabama Coalition for Immigrant Justice (ACIJ) seconded those concerns in a Wednesday statement, but like Adelante, its members believe that Alabama’s immigrant community is uniquely suited to respond to any harsh immigration laws under Trump.
“With the unexpected news of a soon-to-be Trump presidency, most in our community became worried for their futures, panicked even,” the ACIJ statement said. “But with only a few hours to digest this harsh reality, what has emerged from our community is unwavering strength and resilience.”
Deplorables keep ranting that the Left hates “democracy” yet the person with the most votes is not POTUS. Please proceed. #NotMyPresident pic.twitter.com/Bwqss18NbR
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) November 11, 2016
re: #301 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
I haven’t eaten in 2 days.
Have some pie.
I made pie on election day and then couldn’t eat any of it.
Last night I had pie and ice cream for dinner after not eating since Tuesday night.
re: #195 freetoken
We lost by whiskers in WI and PA.
If not for the gutting of the VRA, we would have gotten WI. Not sure what we could have done with WI and MI.
re: #338 Ziggy_TARDIS
We lost by whiskers in WI and PA.
If not for the gutting of the VRA, we would have gotten WI. Not sure what we could have done with WI and MI.
It starts with a 50 state strategy. It wont be won in one midterm, or even 2-3 cycles. It’s a long game. And it means contesting every seat in Congress and promoting the best candidates across the nation to go up against established candidates, seasoning candidates at all levels, and promoting an agenda that helps all Americans rise, not pushing one group to the top at the expense of everyone else.
re: #335 Decatur Deb
The undocumented community in freaking Alabama has found its cojones. We probably should too.
The Birmingham-based Alabama Coalition for Immigrant Justice (ACIJ) seconded those concerns in a Wednesday statement, but like Adelante, its members believe that Alabama’s immigrant community is uniquely suited to respond to any harsh immigration laws under Trump.
“With the unexpected news of a soon-to-be Trump presidency, most in our community became worried for their futures, panicked even,” the ACIJ statement said. “But with only a few hours to digest this harsh reality, what has emerged from our community is unwavering strength and resilience.”
I was a part of the sanctuary movement in the 1980s, when people from El Salvador and Nicaragua were coming to the USA and given sanctuary by churches (mostly RCC, but not all). A similar movement may once again need to arise, though the number of people involved is so large I don’t know how it could be managed.
The United States may soon have its own “displaced persons” problem within its borders.
re: #340 lawhawk
I think WI, MI, and PA will slip back in relatively short order, especially with the gutting of Medicare and Medicaid, and Social Security.
re: #341 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I was a part of the sanctuary movement in the 1980s, when people from El Salvador and Nicaragua were coming to the USA and given sanctuary by churches (mostly RCC, but not all). A similar movement may once again need to arise, though the number of people involved is so large I don’t know how it could be managed.
The United States may soon have its own “displaced persons” problem within its borders.
Except for the 70-yr old nun, Wife’s RC church is a pack of RW assholes and Gutless Wonders.
re: #342 Ziggy_TARDIS
I think WI, MI, and PA will slip back in relatively short order, especially with the gutting of Medicare and Medicaid, and Social Security.
Please call me an “asshole”, but I really hope people that voted for Trump suffer dearly from his draconian policies. Perhaps finally one day soon they will learn that voting against your best interests for the sake of a political “win” is fucking ignorant.
re: #345 Dr. Matt
Please call me an “asshole”, but I really hope people that voted for Trump suffer dearly from his draconian policies. Perhaps finally one day soon they will learn that voting against your best interests for the sake of a political “win” is fucking ignorant.
only problem is that they will not suffer selectively…
re: #341 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I was a part of the sanctuary movement in the 1980s, when people from El Salvador and Nicaragua were coming to the USA and given sanctuary by churches (mostly RCC, but not all). A similar movement may once again need to arise, though the number of people involved is so large I don’t know how it could be managed.
The United States may soon have its own “displaced persons” problem within its borders.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens here in Texas. There were a number of churches that ignored Abbott’s attempt to prevent Syrian refugees from coming into Texas. I wonder what will happen now.
re: #345 Dr. Matt
With the memory power of a gnat, the electorate will not draw the connection. Any hardship will quickly be blamed on Jimmy Carter.
re: #116 goddamnedfrank
There were many Clinton field offices in Michigan. Darthstar has been on a mission all year to be as glib and ignorant as possible. He’s the quintessential Bernie Bro who wanted to talk shit, tear down Hillary and take no responsibility for the lies he was deliberately spreading. He’s exactly the kind of asshole I was talking about here.
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I’ll admit to my glib attitude toward Hillary at times but I read on Twitter last night that there were no field offices in Michigan and repeated it without second sourcing. My apologies for that. (I could blame the percocet but I wasn’t that doped up)
As far as me being a lying Bernie Bro, you’re entitled to your opinion. When I’ve been wrong I’ve admitted it. My opinion of Hillary improved over the campaign but I still had reservations about her. But the fact that she would have been a compromiser and deal maker as president was one of her strongest qualities in my opinon. I just refused to buy the myth that she’d be a change agent and progressive champion..that’s not who she is. I know you were one of her most ardent online supporters and I respected you for that.
And I didn’t see her as “the lesser of two evils”. I didn’t see her as evil at all. And finally I had no desire to tear her down. I wanted her to stand out from Trump and not try to beat him at his own game - I said that from the start. She tried to tear him down right until the end, but how do you tear down an admitted sexual predator who is tied with you in the polls despite admitting to being a sexual predator. At some point you have to reach out and say, “Look, I got some campaign promises I want to keep.”
But none of that matters because she lost the election. If you want to make me the stereotype of who you think lost this election for her, I can’t stop you.
re: #122 Ziggy_TARDIS
Now I am upset that Darth was feeding me a line of bull.
I do think the FBI thing was the problem then. And the constant Wikileaks shit, with Russia’s BS. And the media malfeasance.
Sorry Ziggy…I wasn’t intentionally bullshitting you on the field offices. I just took something I read on twitter as fact. I should have Googled it. My bad. Really.
Good morning everyone. Day 3 of facing reality greets us. What’s up?
re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
only problem is that they will not suffer selectively…
I know. But, unfortunately it’s going to take real pain and suffering to wake up the 46%+ that didn’t vote or voted third party.
re: #348 Amory Blaine
With the memory power of a gnat, the electorate will not draw the connection. Any hardship will quickly be blamed on Jimmy Carter.
And Clinton….and Obama…..and Reid…..and Hillary.
re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
only problem is that they will not suffer selectively…
Reminds me of the guy who was into all the conspiracy theories about false flag operations being set up to take away our guns, until he lost his son along with the 19 other people at Newtown. Now, he gets harassed by the very people he used to talk to.
Whoa - this statement from Harry Reid. pic.twitter.com/nkAG7IDGYI
— George Zornick (@gzornick) November 11, 2016
Winning the electoral college does not absolve Trump of the grave sins he committed against millions of Americans. https://t.co/lkL1w6qCo7
— Senator Harry Reid (@SenatorReid) November 11, 2016
re: #219 goddamnedfrank
Deval Patrick comes to mind.
He won’t want to leave the private sector. While I loved him as my Governor, he was treated as badly as Obama when he served. When his wife revealed she had depression (as did Kitty Dukakis), he was asked if he would resign. So much hate in my state.
He never really put much credence into the Veepstakes over the summer. He’ll stay in Western Mass. and likely keep his head down.
re: #328 lawhawk
The GOP opposition to Trump crumbles as you knew it would. Fuck Erickson. Fuck all of them. We knew they’d go in with Trump the moment the election was over, because they know that their agenda would get rammed through a Congress they dominate.
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They’re all going to fall in line. NeverTrump was always insincere bs.
re: #356 HappyWarrior
They’re all going to fall in line. NeverTrump was always insincere bs.
Especially the white males who either won’t be hurt or stand to gain from Trump.
re: #355 Decatur Deb
Reid was no-fucks-to-give before it was cool.
You want a fuck from Reid you have to earn it. There is no give.
re: #357 Belafon
Especially the white males who either won’t be hurt or stand to gain from Trump.
Yep. They’ll in fact be praising Trump by SOTU if not sooner.
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Gang, let’s stop saying “half the country” voted one way or the other. Untrue. 26% made the decision for the other 74%. pic.twitter.com/poYQrlN2D4
— David Pakman (@pakman) November 11, 2016
This is so fucking sad.
Reminder many people only think about this stuff very late in the game. Peak Google search for “Hillary Clinton emails”: Oct 29-30, 2016. pic.twitter.com/yXLT2NOutx
— Will Jordan (@williamjordann) November 11, 2016
And releasing the BS letter (and minimizing the findings a week later) had serious and lasting consequences, particularly when RNC pollsters found their polling moving in Trump’s favor at the last minute - the breaking undecideds used the FBI letters as justification, even though it was complete and utter BS.
re: #361 JasonA
That’s how it is in most elections. We just don’t vote. Only a fraction of the electorate votes. Everyone else sits back and bitches at the consequences. Or applauds them.
re: #344 Decatur Deb
Except for the 70-yr old nun, Wife’s RC church is a pack of RW assholes and Gutless Wonders.
IIRC, there were only two of three churches, plus our Friends Meeting, in Louisville in the sanctuary movement. One was St. William RCC, which was firmly in the Liberation Theology school of thought. Its pastor, Father Jim, was a leading sanctuary figure back then. I remember him for his habit of saying “also, too” a lot.
re: #306 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
“My niece, I’m sorry you’re not wrong.”
re: #363 lawhawk
That’s how it is in most elections. We just don’t vote. Only a fraction of the electorate votes. Everyone else sits back and bitches at the consequences. Or applauds them.
Oh, I know, but I can’t look at that and not shake my head.
re: #347 Belafon
It’ll be interesting to see what happens here in Texas. There were a number of churches that ignored Abbott’s attempt to prevent Syrian refugees from coming into Texas. I wonder what will happen now.
Indiana, as well.
and now Indiana will need to find a new governor.
re: #361 JasonA
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This is so fucking sad.
73.9% (Deplorables + plus non-voters) are fucking idiots.
re: #362 lawhawk
And releasing the BS letter (and minimizing the findings a week later) had serious and lasting consequences, particularly when RNC pollsters found their polling moving in Trump’s favor at the last minute - the breaking undecideds used the FBI letters as justification, even though it was complete and utter BS.
People got played, and if you tell them that, they’ll get defensive and not listen to anything else.
One of the things we’re going to have trouble getting around is conservatives admitting they were wrong. When the world starts crashing in around them - Medicare and Medicaid disappearing, SS disappearing - they’re going to double down. It’s why blaming “others” is so affective. And I haven’t figured out how to get through that.
So I signed that Change.org petition about the Electoral College. It probably means the Trump shock troops will deport me as soon as I land in the USA, and it probably won’t result in anything substantive happening, but I felt like I needed to do something.
re: #360 BigPapa
It’s only day 3. There will be some anger that will linger for a long time. I resented Bush all the way through his first presidency and protested him at every opportunity. I was working in downtown SF and would see protests from my window, lock my screen, and go down and spend an hour marching. Then Kerry fell short and I focused on survival.
I expect some here to feel the same about Trump and anyone they think helped him win…those kinds of wounds heal slowly.
Meanwhile there is still no safe water for Flint citizens.
Federal judge: Deliver bottled water to Flint residents. https://t.co/sxGtO3k1ca #FlintWaterCrisis pic.twitter.com/qVadNj6ptv
— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) November 11, 2016
That petition has more than 2.2 million signatures so far. You can add us to the 11 million other deportees Trump says he wants to ship out.
A big reason why @realDonaldTrump beat @HillaryClinton in Ohio: He ran up the score in Appalachia https://t.co/A8AvS3pS0J pic.twitter.com/ksoTx7EaES
— clevelanddotcom (@clevelanddotcom) November 11, 2016
Nice going, dumbass rednecks.
re: #368 Dr. Matt
73.9% (Deplorables + plus non-voters) are fucking idiots.
In time, people will equate Hillary’s ‘deplorables’ comment with Romney’s ‘47%’ - they just will, whether we agree with it or not. Hell, they probably are already. Time to go look.
re: #374 Myron Falwell (no relation)
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Nice going, dumbass rednecks.
They really believed he would bring back the coal mines.
re: #376 The Vicious Babushka
They really believed he would bring back the coal mines.
What do you think is going to fuel the fires under the bridges?
re: #370 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
How about the presidential candidates signing a pact that they do not sling “mud” at each other and only talk about the facts? Quite a few years ago Sec of State John Kerry was running for office in MA. I forgot who was the challenger but both of them agreed not to sling any mud and to talk only about the matters of state. They were interviewed by the late Ed Bradley of 60 Minutes.
*when you lied about your qualifications and experience for a job you applied for, and you get it, now you gotta figure out how to do it* pic.twitter.com/bBip6ydJwh
— African Renaissance (@JJ_Bola) November 10, 2016
re: #375 darthstar
In time, people will equate Hillary’s ‘deplorables’ comment with Romney’s ‘47%’ - they just will, whether we agree with it or not. Hell, they probably are already. Time to go look.
Okay…I’m late to the game…again. That comparison was made back in September.
re: #378 PhillyPretzel
Because the FBI.
re: #287 Nyet
Do you know what this means? someone replied to one of my tweets with this and I can’t get translates to give it to me on English.
@mmfa Of course the FOX misinformation network is putting this kind of shit out.
— jim (@jlcoffeecup) November 10, 2016
Порохобот чтоль? https://t.co/yTEazbDUXE
— Один Спамс (@odinspam) November 11, 2016
re: #325 Dr. Matt
Beautiful, talented, and smart.
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You mean the KKK celebration parade that never happened?
re: #382 Tigger2
Do you know what this means? someone replied to one of my tweets with this and I can’t get translates to give it to me on English.
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Does this help?
The Trump team is apparently having trouble filling his national security team. I’m curious how many will continue to hold out.
re: #382 Tigger2
Do you know what this means? someone replied to one of my tweets with this and I can’t get translates to give it to me on English.
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“powderbot what the?” is as close as I can make of it
re: #364 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
IIRC, there were only two of three churches, plus our Friends Meeting, in Louisville in the sanctuary movement. One was St. William RCC, which was firmly in the Liberation Theology school of thought. Its pastor, Father Jim, was a leading sanctuary figure back then. I remember him for his habit of saying “also, too” a lot.
I lived in a co-op in Austin when I was in college in the first half of the 1980s. We sponsored a sanctuary family and they lived in one of our rooms. We weren’t a church, but we were so paranoid about the cops for other reasons, it was a safe place. I don’t remember any sort of angst or agita about doing it, either. It just seemed the right thing to do.
re: #382 Tigger2
Do you know what this means? someone replied to one of my tweets with this and I can’t get translates to give it to me on English.
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I tried putting “Порохобот чтоль?” through the Google language translator and got “Porohobot chtol?”
re: #388 darthstar
Prohobot Chtol is my undercover spy name.
Would not be a bad name for a punk rock band, either.
re: #383 danarchy
You mean the KKK celebration parade that never happened?
It just hasn’t happened yet.
Good Bye . I am very tired of the super simplistic answers such as #381. I have had it.
re: #319 lawhawk
We should boycott MSNBC and CNN. It’s obvious that their “journalists” were entirely too cosy with Trump and his surrogates. Halperin, Mika, Joe, Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd etc., were rooting for a bigot to win over a qualified woman. Wonder if MSNBC will report on the spike in racist incidents since Trump’s election.
P.S. I’ll miss Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, Al Sharpton and Laurence O’Donnell (and perhaps Chris Hayes) but otherwise, MSNBC is dead to me.
Mom taking a hike runs into @HillaryClinton this afternoon (Photo: Margot Gerster) @billclinton took the photo pic.twitter.com/FXQNW6iA0q
— Michael Cappetta (@MCappetta) November 10, 2016
A colleague is friends with the woman who had her photo taken with Hillary (photo by Bill).
re: #389 Myron Falwell (no relation)
I tried putting “Порохобот чтоль?” through the Google language translator and got “Porohobot chtol?”
That’s what I got and it still made no sense to me.
Morning, Lizards.
So I get up, have a coffee, get the paper, check CNN, and Leonard Cohen is dead.
See, I thought since That Thing happened on Tuesday that we had maxed out for this disastrous year.
Nope, nope, nope. The hits just keep on coming.
Rest in peace, you dear troubadour, urban poet, and keeper of the driest wit in American songwriting.
FML
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
CNN reporting that both @SpeakerRyan & @SenateMajLdr told Trump yesterday Reince Priebus best fit for WH chief of staff
— Deirdre Walsh (@deirdrewalshcnn) November 11, 2016
I wonder why @SpeakerRyan wouldn’t want Bannon in the White House! https://t.co/LjSh3CblkR
— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) November 11, 2016
re: #394 Patricia Kayden
We should boycott MSNBC and CNN. It’s obvious that their “journalists” were entirely too cosy with Trump and his surrogates. Halperin, Mika, Joe, Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd etc., were rooting for a bigot to win over a qualified woman. Wonder if MSNBC will report on the spike in racist incidents since Trump’s election.
P.S. I’ll miss Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, Al Sharpton and Laurence O’Donnell (and perhaps Chris Hayes) but otherwise, MSNBC is dead to me.
Easy for me to do - I never watch those news outlets.
And I’m seriously considering paying for a WaPo subscription online. People like David Fahrenthold need support.
re: #270 mmmirele
I decided, for my own mental health, that I’d pull back from regular picketing.
I think that is a good decision. As important as it is to fight the good fight, you have to be careful not to let it damage you too much.
re: #375 darthstar
In time, people will equate Hillary’s ‘deplorables’ comment with Romney’s ‘47%’ - they just will, whether we agree with it or not. Hell, they probably are already. Time to go look.
Although it was a valid observation and obvious to any objective observer, it was nonetheless a mistake; it gave her opponents a rallying point. And face it, many of them were not truly deplorable, just misled or ill informed.
And yes, Hillary could ill afford mistakes, whereas Trump could make as many as he wanted.
And yet, the WaPo pushes this claptrap too:
Why Trump just might be able to solve a nasty problem facing America’s economyhttps://t.co/RcHeQxS4Q3
— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) November 11, 2016
Yup. He’ll replace it with a Gilded Age redistribution of wealth from the have-nots to the rich. And the economy will tank. That fixes it. https://t.co/A4ifVBrnYm
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 11, 2016
re: #375 darthstar
In time, people will equate Hillary’s ‘deplorables’ comment with Romney’s ‘47%’ - they just will, whether we agree with it or not. Hell, they probably are already. Time to go look.
Secretary Clinton’s deplorables comment was perfectly true. In fact, she may have underestimated the percentage of deplorables. The violence and racist incidents are already surging since Trump’s election.
725 days until the 2018 midterms…
— Nasty Hombre (@franklinftw) November 11, 2016
re: #400 lawhawk
I already subscribe to Washington Post and get daily delivery. Yes, we need to support the Farentholds since there are so few of them.
re: #404 Patricia Kayden
Secretary Clinton’s deplorables comment was perfectly true. In fact, she may have underestimated the percentage of deplorables. The violence and racist incidents are already surging since Trump’s election.
As my Kentucky MIL said: “Just because something is true, doesn’t mean you have to say it.”
Of course, she was talking about instant mashed potatoes.
re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Although it was a valid observation and obvious to any objective observer, it was nonetheless a mistake; it gave her opponents a rallying point. And face it, many of them were not truly deplorable, just misled or ill informed.
And yes, Hillary could ill afford mistakes, whereas Trump could make as many as he wanted.
I would also add “willfully ignorant”. Although ignorant isn’t even the right word - it isn’t that they didn’t know about how despicable Trump is; they just, well, willfully ignored his hateful rhetoric in the interest of voting for their pet social issue - abortion, guns, “good Christian morals”, etc.
re: #283 Nyet
Yeah, I think Pence is nowhere near as incompetent, and he sure seems committed to theocracy. And he didn’t spend a bunch of time basically calling the GOP assholes, so he would probably have a easier time pushing things through (in cases where the Congressional GOP isn’t already on board.)
re: #345 Dr. Matt
Please call me an “asshole”, but I really hope people that voted for Trump suffer dearly from his draconian policies. Perhaps finally one day soon they will learn that voting against your best interests for the sake of a political “win” is fucking ignorant.
The Rude Pundit speaks for me.
… I wish Hillary Clinton had walked up to the microphone yesterday and said, “Burn shit down. Burn down everything the misogynists built. Bring the country to its filthy knees.” But, alas, both she and President Obama went with the conciliatory, healing approach, as if somehow those who have broken the country want it to heal. They don’t. They want it to scar.
But, no, no, “Stop Shaming Trump Supporters,” liberal rabbi Michael Lerner tells us. “The left needs to stop ignoring people’s inner pain and fear. The racism, sexism and xenophobia used by Mr. Trump to advance his candidacy does not reveal an inherent malice in the majority of Americans,” he writes. This presupposes that the racism, etc. isn’t intrinsic to the fear, that those who have learned and expressed and exulted in hate of others for the crime of not being white and Christian and male are somehow able to be convinced by telling them we understand their class anxiety and poverty. God, how that would be amazing. It would be even more amazing if the left hadn’t just been told to take the health insurance we just got most of them and go fuck ourselves with it. And you know what sucks about being a liberal? When we get a chance, we’ll be right back at it, trying to make sure these same short-sighted twat fleas can have access to medical care.
This conflagration of anger at the coalition of dumb fucks, assholes, and shitheads who voted for Trump is going to take a long time to calm down to the usual dull roar of blind rage at the fuckery of the ignorant. The idiot hordes have overrun the joint, like barbarians have ever since they evolved enough to wield clubs. Shit, most Trump voters don’t have an idea of what the fuck he’s gonna do, which makes them that much more pathetic.
As for Donald Trump, listen, motherfucker, it’s gonna be time soon to put the fuck up or shut the fuck up, not that you’d ever shut the fuck up. And not just on the cruel and worthless things that your idiot hordes cheered you on about, like your impossible wall and your ludicrous immigration policies. No, bitch, you said you were gonna “knock the hell out of ISIS.” You fuckin’ better do that without dragging us into another war ‘cause that’s the way you said it would go down. ISIS is gleeful right now, expecting you to stumblefuck into the greatest recruitment tool since promises of sex slaves.
Post title: ‘American Eclipse, Part 2: Kumbaya This.’ Indeed.
re: #409 thedopefishlives
I would also add “willfully ignorant”. Although ignorant isn’t even the right word - it isn’t that they didn’t know about how despicable Trump is; they just, well, willfully ignored his hateful rhetoric in the interest of voting for their pet social issue - abortion, guns, “good Christian morals”, etc.
Yes, I recall encountering the “He may be a flawed individual, but he is the means to a greater good” argument. An amazing rhetorical end-run coming from a group of people ready to condemn anybody who does not live up to their moral standards.
re: #412 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Yes, I recall encountering the “He may be a flawed individual, but he is the means to a greater good” argument. An amazing rhetorical end-run coming from a group of people ready to condemn anybody who does not live up to their moral standards.
In fact, that’s the justification of the Jill Stein nuts. Vote for Stein b/c it means you deprive Clinton of the votes to stop Trump, which inures benefit to Stein? Even though Stein would benefit not at all, and her supporters will be screwed just as badly as if they had voted directly for Trump.
re: #412 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Yes, I recall encountering the “He may be a flawed individual, but he is the means to a greater good” argument. An amazing rhetorical end-run coming from a group of people ready to condemn anybody who does not live up to their moral standards.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. The problem is that from within the evangelical community, the only people who are agitating for change are, well, the people who didn’t support Trump in the first place. The evangelical leadership is doubling down on the stupid, rejoicing that “their man” (I refuse to even think the words “God’s man”, as he absolutely is not) is headed to the White House, and refusing, as always, to listen to any criticism or discussion of reform.
re: #411 makeitstop
No, bitch, you said you were gonna “knock the hell out of ISIS.” You fuckin’ better do that without dragging us into another war ‘cause that’s the way you said it would go down. ISIS is gleeful right now, expecting you to stumblefuck into the greatest recruitment tool since promises of sex slaves.
And Obama is in the same boat that Lincoln was terrified he would be in if McClellan had won in 1864. Figure out how to the win the war before his successor gets into office and fucks everything up.
re: #396 lawhawk
I don’t know why she didn’t break down crying when she met Clinton.
re: #276 Nyet
Which claim is by itself racist.
It’s a semantic argument, based in different people using the same word to mean different things. I really wish we could all come up with an agreed upon set of words and definitions, so we stop running down semantic rabbitholes when we basically agree in principle.
This, too https://t.co/aI5WBu6RiQ pic.twitter.com/LNKBETixOy
— Andrew Desiderio (@desiderioDC) November 11, 2016
Career National Security Council staffers threatening to quit rather than serve Trump. https://t.co/XQrDR5HkEr
— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) November 11, 2016
Understand why they want to, but I really hope they don’t. The country desperately needs sane, smart people in the government now. https://t.co/e5G9ILStDy
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) November 11, 2016
Jon is right. As bad as it might be for them, it will be infinitely more dangerous for us when Trump cronies replace them.
re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Although it was a valid observation and obvious to any objective observer, it was nonetheless a mistake; it gave her opponents a rallying point. And face it, many of them were not truly deplorable, just misled or ill informed.
And yes, Hillary could ill afford mistakes, whereas Trump could make as many as he wanted.
Trump had the advantage of being a carnival barker from the start. Early on I compared his campaign to the filthy joke “The Aristocrats” and by the time ‘grab them by the pussy’ came around I wasn’t alone.
Mistakes and misstatements were a feature for him, not a bug. Everyone waiting for him to pivot was waiting in vain…and he said that from the start - even as he secured the nomination he said he’d keep doing this his way because he thought he’d win.
Myanmar..go figure. They get all the cool shit.
Mystery space junk crashes into Myanmar https://t.co/lseZdIKTM5
— Atlas Obscura (@atlasobscura) November 11, 2016
re: #419 darthstar
Trump had the advantage of being a carnival barker from the start. Early on I compared his campaign to the filthy joke “The Aristocrats” and by the time ‘grab them by the pussy’ came around I wasn’t alone.
Mistakes and misstatements were a feature for him, not a bug. Everyone waiting for him to pivot was waiting in vain…and he said that from the start - even as he secured the nomination he said he’d keep doing this his way because he thought he’d win.
His life is basically the longest rendition of the “Aristocrats” joke ever given.
re: #420 darthstar
Myanmar..go figure. They get all the cool shit.
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Tomorrow’s headline: “Myanmar to initiate space program, aims to reach Mars by 2022.”
Okay…the seagull has a point.
“Crazy” to think FB can influence voter decision. But hey advertisers, we CAN influence purchase decisions! #BuyAdshttps://t.co/9Y6QIHfswc
— AT&T Park Seagull (@ATTSeagull) November 11, 2016
re: #422 thedopefishlives
Tomorrow’s headline: “Myanmar to initiate space program, aims to reach Mars by 2022.”
Mars reached Myanmar first!
re: #420 darthstar
Myanmar..go figure. They get all the cool shit.
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OH SHIT! It’s the Soros mind-control satellite. Now we know what went wrong!
That Daily Beast story is brutal.
It was clear the Trump team would have trouble staffing their national security bench nine months ago, when more than 100 Republican national security leaders signed an open letter vowing not to support him as the GOP nominee and “working energetically to prevent the election of someone so utterly unfitted to the office.”
“Everybody who has signed a never-Trump letter or indicated an anti-Trump attitude is not going to get a job. And that’s most of the Republican foreign policy, national security, intelligence, homeland security, and Department of Justice experience,” Paul Rosenzweig, who held a senior position at the Department of Homeland Security in the George W. Bush administration, told The Daily Beast. (Bush told reporters on Tuesday that neither he nor his wife, Laura, cast a vote for president.)
Rosenzweig predicted that Trump would be able to fill positions at the Cabinet level, the secretaries and administrators who lead agencies and departments. But the people below them, from the deputy level on down, are the ones who actually run the government day-to-day, and there are few takers for those jobs, he said.
“The problem is going to be finding the deputy secretary, and the head of customs, and the general counsel, which are the jobs that fundamentally matter,” Rosenzweig said.
Since the public letter in March, more people who served in key positions in Republican administrations have stepped forward to disavow Trump and take themselves out of the running for jobs in his administration.
Last week, former CIA and NSA Director Michael Hayden went so far as to accuse Trump of being a tool of the Russian government.
Putin’s gotta be feeling pretty good today. Trump has effectively paralyzed the US intelligence community.
Fucking dupe. I have a suggestion for Trump, but posting it here would get me one short round with the banhammer, so no.
Rep. Keith Ellison seems to have support of Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Chuck Schumer for DNC chair: https://t.co/gZdoDuP5nT @TPM pic.twitter.com/WMUIvFWXPg
— Matt Shuham (@mattshuham) November 11, 2016
re: #425 Shiplord Kirel
OH SHIT! It’s the Soros mind-control satellite. Now we know what went wrong!
Ha!
re: #425 Shiplord Kirel
OH SHIT! It’s the Soros mind-control satellite. Now we know what went wrong!
I knew we would regret giving Varek remote control of that Aegis cruiser…
Christie spokesman said Gov is “busy with the transition” won’t “speculate” about 566,655 residents losing Medicaid https://t.co/yeP9evlWpf
— Katie Jennings (@katiedjennings) November 11, 2016
You know what I’m fucking sick to death of? Being asked to understand and sympathize with worried white people in the middle of the country. Hearing about how terrible it is that there are no jobs in rural areas, that all of the jobs are in metro areas, and that people there have no hope.
Yeah, that’s awful. But it’s not fucking news. This is the same process that’s been going on since industrialization began. Jobs have been leaving the rural areas and moving to the city for 200 years.
You know what the rest of us did? WE MOVED. THAT is why there are so many more of us on the coasts, and in the cities. Because that’s what we had to do to find work, to raise our families.
When we did, we found out that there is a lot more to humanity than straight, white Christians, and that those people are really just like us. They want peace, stability, a safe place to live their lives and raise their children. They want to be themselves without fear. Why doesn’t somebody write an article telling white people in the middle of America that THEY need do understand US?
Rant off.
Durham City Councilwoman removes political sticker from her car after being harassed #Election2016https://t.co/Pl7sKJSMgc pic.twitter.com/Wuczq6hCuf
— The News & Observer (@newsobserver) November 11, 2016
re: #426 makeitstop
That Daily Beast story is brutal.
Putin’s gotta be feeling pretty good today.
Trump hasVoters have effectively paralyzed the US intelligence community.Fucking dupe. I have a suggestion for Trump, but posting it here would get me one short round with the banhammer, so no.
FTFY
Not sure whether to drop this here, or in the “Portland Riots” thread, or wait for a new main-page thread:
@charliekirk11 You also weren’t looking at a situation where your side would need a #ConstitutionalAmendment to get back>>>
— Chrysi Cat (@chrysicat) November 11, 2016
Basically, they’ve set up a situation where it’ll require over 3/4 of each House and 2/3 of the Senate to even begin moving the Overton Window into the area where it spent even part of the 20th century and expect people to accept that no progress, either social or economic, beyond 1895, will ever be possible in the lifetime of even children yet too young to vote.
Which people might be somewhat-OK with if there were any way to make this merely the “Old Country”, but since no one in any country now lifts their lamp beside a Golden Door, all they’re doing is creating an increasingly-uncomfortable set of authorised targets who’ll have very little incentive to do their part in keeping this society functional. They tell us “love it or leave it” and a lot of us are getting to the point of saying “we don’t love it, so if you can find a way to ease our exit, we’d be fine self-ethnically-cleansing. But since you can’t change the laws of other countries to make us accepted there, and we have no hope for anything better than a Hobbesian life here…well, fill in the blankety-blanks.”
(BTW, much as Noah Webster dicked with spelling in the first place to encourage the American mind to separate from the English, I’m trying to go back to using International English spelling as a protest of where the parent ‘group of countries’ (they’re gonna get their wish of a Fed weaker than the European one) has gone, and to start doing what I can to keep myself separate from the people who are going to run the US unopposed for the rest of my life, at least my life as a non-imprisoned person).
re: #430 darthstar
Christie spokesman said Gov is “busy with the transition” won’t “speculate” about 566,655 residents losing Medicaid https://t.co/yeP9evlWpf
— Katie Jennings (@katiedjennings) November 11, 2016
Local public servant too busy on side project to address constituencies greatest concern. https://t.co/TI9VbMGsZF
— Nasty Hombre (@franklinftw) November 11, 2016
Maybe it’s better if we stop reminding Trump about the shit he said so he forgets it. Now is not the time to ask him to double-down on his bigotry. Distract him with domestic policy he can understand - hey Donald, you said you want to make America great? We need $25 billion dollars to fix bridges before more people fall into rivers on their commute…and it’ll pump 150 billion dollars into the economy over your first four years.
Yeah, remember when we all thought those Trump-Hitler comparisons were totally over the top and hysterical? Good times, good times. pic.twitter.com/1VcUY3hiZz
— CC (@canadiancynic) November 11, 2016
re: #418 Myron Falwell (no relation)
Understand why they want to, but I really hope they don’t. The country desperately needs sane, smart people in the government now.
Jon is right. As bad as it might be for them, it will be infinitely more dangerous for us when Trump cronies replace them.
They know damn well that if disaster ensues, they are the ones whose careers and reputations will be ruined, not DT’s…
re: #436 darthstar
Maybe it’s better if we stop reminding Trump about the shit he said so he forgets it. Now is not the time to ask him to double-down on his bigotry. Distract him with domestic policy he can understand - hey Donald, you said you want to make America great? We need $25 billion dollars to fix bridges before more people fall into rivers on their commute…and it’ll pump 150 billion dollars into the economy over your first four years.
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Hey @realDonaldTrump - we need $25billion in infrastructure spending for roads and bridges. ROI of up to 6x on that money in your first term
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 11, 2016
Stop asking Trump if he’ll ban Muslims and focus him on domestic policy he can understand. https://t.co/42l8L6xIkY
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 11, 2016
re: #434 Chrysicat
Not sure whether to drop this here, or in the “Portland Riots” thread, or wait for a new main-page thread:
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Basically, they’ve set up a situation where it’ll require over 3/4 of each House and 2/3 of the Senate to even begin moving the Overton Window into the area where it spent even part of the 20th century and expect people to accept that no progress, either social or economic, beyond 1895, will ever be possible in the lifetime of even children yet too young to vote.Which people might be somewhat-OK with if there were any way to make this merely the “Old Country”, but since no one in any country now lifts their lamp beside a Golden Door, all they’re doing is creating an increasingly-uncomfortable set of authorised targets who’ll have very little incentive to do their part in keeping this society functional. They tell us “love it or leave it” and a lot of us are getting to the point of saying “we don’t love it, so if you can find a way to ease our exit, we’d be fine self-ethnically-cleansing. But since you can’t change the laws of other countries to make us accepted there, and we have no hope for anything better than a Hobbesian life here…well, fill in the blankety-blanks.”
The sad truth is that there has emerged an unbridgeable cultural divide between “red” and “blue” America. We really are two nations, and we have to acknowledge this fact. What that means going forward is difficult to predict. The USA could very well decide to separate; I think of the example of the former Czechoslovakia, which broke into its two constituent states. Perhaps the same will one day happen with us.
re: #430 darthstar
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You mean Christie doesn’t care about anyone in his state losing their healthcare benefits as he is preoccupied with Bridgegate and getting Trump to pardon him for his involvement therein.
My fear. Another ISIS inspired attack after he’s sworn in. In a large city of course, because that’s where they always concentrate. Suddenly, all those fearful rust belters don’t give a shit.
“Yeah. You voted against Trump. You deserve what happened!”
It’s only a matter of time.
re: #431 Blind Frog Belly White
You know what I’m fucking sick to death of? Being asked to understand and sympathize with worried white people in the middle of the country. Hearing about how terrible it is that there are no jobs in rural areas, that all of the jobs are in metro areas, and that people there have no hope.
Yeah, that’s awful. But it’s not fucking news. This is the same process that’s been going on since industrialization began. Jobs have been leaving the rural areas and moving to the city for 200 years.
You know what the rest of us did? WE MOVED. THAT is why there are so many more of us on the coasts, and in the cities. Because that’s what we had to do to find work, to raise our families.
When we did, we found out that there is a lot more to humanity than straight, white Christians, and that those people are really just like us. They want peace, stability, a safe place to live their lives and raise their children. They want to be themselves without fear. Why doesn’t somebody write an article telling white people in the middle of America that THEY need do understand US?
Rant off.
Living here in Texas, close to Dallas but in a blood red area, I do envy those that live in blue states. At the same time, I wonder if, with the internet, and with global selling and shipping, if a number of companies in CA and other states could not move to places like Iowa.
I do understand there are differences, and I understand the possible struggles at the beginning, but, like the rest of us, changing this country won’t help if all of the companies pile in a few areas.
And the costs would be cheaper.
re: #440 Patricia Kayden
You mean Christie doesn’t care about anyone in his state losing their healthcare benefits as he is preoccupied with Bridgegate and getting Trump to pardon him for his involvement therein.
Bridgegate’s over. The bad people were convicted. Christie is lucky he didn’t join them on the stand.
725 days until the 2018 midterms…
— Nasty Hombre (@franklinftw) November 11, 2016
@franklinftw Would be better to count down to inauguration day and start the push to save Medicare and Social Security now. https://t.co/0Ml2R4cUQm
— Weave (@diaper) November 11, 2016
re: #442 GlutenFreeJesus
My fear. Another ISIS inspired attack after he’s sworn in. In a large city of course, because that’s where they always concentrate. Suddenly, all those fearful rust belters don’t give a shit.
“Yeah. You voted against Trump. You deserve what happened!”
It’s only a matter of time.
And Trump and Republicans will get zero support from me. There will not be a repeat of 2001.
re: #436 darthstar
Even though I am not, I would register as Muslim then. I cannot imagine that such a law would withstand Constitutional scrutiny but given Trump’s possible SCOTUS picks, it may just do so.
re: #443 Belafon
Not sure if the cost will be cheaper if suddenly all these rust belters demand “higher minimum wage”.
re: #446 Belafon
And Trump and Republicans will get zero support from me. There will not be a repeat of 2001.
That’s why I loved Harry Reid’s open letter so much.
re: #443 Belafon
Living here in Texas, close to Dallas but in a blood red area, I do envy those that live in blue states. At the same time, I wonder if, with the internet, and with global selling and shipping, if a number of companies in CA and other states could not move to places like Iowa.
I do understand there are differences, and I understand the possible struggles at the beginning, but, like the rest of us, changing this country won’t help if all of the companies pile in a few areas.
And the costs would be cheaper.
The metro areas will still be where the jobs are, and people will have to move there.
re: #443 Belafon
Living here in Texas, close to Dallas but in a blood red area, I do envy those that live in blue states. At the same time, I wonder if, with the internet, and with global selling and shipping, if a number of companies in CA and other states could not move to places like Iowa.
I do understand there are differences, and I understand the possible struggles at the beginning, but, like the rest of us, changing this country won’t help if all of the companies pile in a few areas.
And the costs would be cheaper.
Has anybody ever had a hit with “Iowa Dreaming” or “I Wish They All Could Be Iowa Girls”?
re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Has anybody ever had a hit with “Iowa Dreaming” or “I Wish They All Could Be Iowa Girls”?
Wasn’t the latter a solo hit for Diamond David Lee Roth?
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So Chicken Shaming is a thing now.
14 Chicken Shaming Pics That Aptly Characterize Farm Life https://t.co/c50sUfGd8p
— FuzzFix (@FuzzFix) November 11, 2016
Here are two of my favorites. I don’t want to put you through a page click counter
We need to start our own FUD about losing Medicare and Social Security now. There’s enough squishy Republican Congressman who will worry about getting re-elected that we may be able to hold back enough votes to stop any efforts to kill it.
Maybe some teens in Macedonia will pick up on it. Would be sweet justice considering…
Do you think the jury reached a verdict in the Ray Tensing trial yesterday but the judge dismissed to delay until today? Holiday and daytime today versus yesterday evening?
/tinfoil
re: #450 Blind Frog Belly White
The metro areas will still be where the jobs are, and people will have to move there.
re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Has anybody ever had a hit with “Iowa Dreaming” or “I Wish They All Could Be Iowa Girls”?
Because my son is going to school in Iowa, I’ve gotten to visit Des Moines a few times. I will tell you, that is a beautiful area of the country, Des Moines is a beautiful city, and there is plenty of area to put businesses, houses and schools in.
re: #448 GlutenFreeJesus
Not sure if the cost will be cheaper if suddenly all these rust belters demand “higher minimum wage”.
I’m thinking of things like cost of land, cost of living, etc. A $250K in Des Moines is probably 3000 sq ft. (just basing that on costs here in the DFW area, which are slightly more expensive).
re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Yeah, everyone wants to come to the coasts. Which is why population numbers are what they are.
I’m certainly not going to move to a purplish state like WI or IA in the hopes of changing the vote count in the next election.
On top of detesting the snow and ice, there’s nothing for me to do back there.
For healthcare as one ages, not necessarily a bad place to live if you live in a city with a hospital. More affordable, etc.
As I wrote last night, I am convinced we are just seeing another battle in the very long culture war.
It just keeps getting better and better.
Newt Gingrich wants new House Un-American Activities Committee @CNNPolitics https://t.co/Kny1w0XlOS
— Mona Holland (@MonaHol) November 11, 2016
Because of course they will. This is the GOP long game. Attacking/destroying political opponents for expressing contrary political views. https://t.co/jHzKcpmeSr
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 11, 2016
Trump’s surrounding himself with Torquemada types.
re: #456 Belafon
Because my son is going to school in Iowa, I’ve gotten to visit Des Moines a few times. I will tell you, that is a beautiful area of the country, Des Moines is a beautiful city, and there is plenty of area to put businesses, houses and schools in.
I’m thinking of things like cost of land, cost of living, etc. A $250K in Des Moines is probably 3000 sq ft. (just basing that on costs here in the DFW area, which are slightly more expensive).
The unemployment rate in Iowa is well below the national average, so it’s not that there aren’t enough jobs for Iowans.
Happy Donald Trump’s Foot Spurs That May Have Been On Either Foot; He Doesn’t Remember Day
— Erin Gloria Ryan (@morninggloria) November 11, 2016
re: #456 Belafon
Ah. I see what you’re saying. Land/facilities will definitely be cheaper. But that will probably be offset when locals go all “Liberal elite” and demand living wages, union representation/collective bargaining, health insurance, paid maternity leave… You know. Commie stuff.
re: #461 GlutenFreeJesus
Ah. I see what you’re saying. Land/facilities will definitely be cheaper. But that will probably be offset when locals go all “Liberal elite” and demand living wages, union representation/collective bargaining, health insurance, paid maternity leave… You know. Commie stuff.
Newt will see that they crack down on that sort of thing…
re: #461 GlutenFreeJesus
Ah. I see what you’re saying. Land/facilities will definitely be cheaper. But that will probably be offset when locals go all “Liberal elite” and demand living wages, union representation/collective bargaining, health insurance, paid maternity leave… You know. Commie stuff.
Yep, changing the state.
re: #445 weave
Only 93 days until pitchers and catchers begin to report for Spring Training.
re: #456 Belafon
I’m thinking of things like cost of land, cost of living, etc. A $250K in Des Moines is probably 3000 sq ft. (just basing that on costs here in the DFW area, which are slightly more expensive).
Yes, no doubt.
However, in midwestern college-kid parlance it is known as “Death Moines” because there is no real night life there. A very dull place. Good grocery store chain (Hy-Vee, employee owned like the Woodman’s up in WI.) Lots of smokers too still back in that part of the country. Good schools, but not much else.
But I’m not moving there just to try and tilt Iowa back to electing Democrats.
re: #461 GlutenFreeJesus
Ah. I see what you’re saying. Land/facilities will definitely be cheaper. But that will probably be offset when locals go all “Liberal elite” and demand living wages, union representation/collective bargaining, health insurance, paid maternity leave… You know. Commie stuff.
And more to the point, unless the locals DO demand those things, they’ll be no better off than they are now. As I said, there are plenty of jobs in Iowa. But they’re not the old well-paid manufacturing jobs that will never come back.
re: #463 Belafon
But it won’t. They’ll still vote against their interests like they did on Tuesday. GO TEAM!
re: #466 Blind Frog Belly White
Yup. We don’t need coal mines. We need a renewable energy sector.
re: #455 Franklin
Do you think the jury reached a verdict in the Ray Tensing trial yesterday but the judge dismissed to delay until today? Holiday and daytime today versus yesterday evening?
/tinfoil
nope. Jury is still deliberating (they started up again at 7 this morning).
Reminder: jurors asked for testimony of the State and defense use of force experts. They received the transcripts this A.M. #TensingTrial
— Angenette Levy (@Angenette5) November 11, 2016
meanwhile:
The group outside #TensingTrial jury deliberation has calm respectful. This man yelling ” #BlackPanthers want Tensing Dead” @Local12 pic.twitter.com/QIUTpaMxFB
— TR Gormley (@McGingeryBeard) November 11, 2016
re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth
nope. Jury is still deliberating (they started up again at 7 this morning).
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Great. Thanks. Seemed like they were prepared to deliver the verdict to the judge around 4PM ET yesterday but then…nada.
Here’s the thing - Iowa, and the rest of the midwest that tilted to Trump? Their problems are really no different from those of the mass of people on the coasts.
Too many Iowans can’t find a job that will buy a house and put a couple kids through college? Welcome to the party! Young people here in California are sharing rooms in apartments because they can’t find jobs that pay well enough to live any other way.
Interesting: After Brexit, Tolerant Britons Adopted a Simple Symbol of Solidarity. We Should, Too.
In the days after the shocking Brexit vote, immigrants and people of color across Britain came under attack. “More than a hundred incidents of racial abuse and hate crime have been reported since the UK voted to leave the European Union,” the Independent reported three days after the June referendum. “Many of the alleged perpetrators cited the decision to leave the EU explicitly.” The National Police Chiefs’ Council reported a 57 percent increase in bias incidents. Bigots appeared to have been buoyed by the belief, right or wrong, that a majority shared their resentments and that social prohibitions against racism had been relaxed.
In response, people of goodwill began wearing safety pins as a symbol of solidarity with immigrants. It was a quick, easy way to show immigrants that you weren’t one of those who despise them and to show everyone else that you wouldn’t tolerate xenophobic abuse.
We need a symbol like that in the United States now. These are vicious days in America. The deplorables are emboldened.
The stories of harassment are fucking horrifying. I can’t believe that this is the type of country people want us to be.
Oh - and if Muslims have to register, then I’m all in. What do they do when they implement this and find out they’ve got 60 or 70 million people to keep tabs on?
re: #439 Dr Lizardo
Well, there are probably as many California nationalists now, as a percentage of her population, as there are Scots nationalists. I just wish my parents hadn’t sold both the house-I-came-home-from-the-maternity-ward-to, in 1988, and the townhome Dad used when running his then-employer’s L.A. branch, in 2008–as either one would have made it possible for me to have a place to run to should her independence movement work out well enough.
(Right now I’m in one of our other blue narco-states, and we aren’t totally an enclave of the Sane States within Red America, but unfortunately we have no continuity either with the Nation of New England, nor the Republic of Greater California–just with New Mexico, or if you want to consider our two states a mini-superstate instead, with ‘old’ Mexico).
And yes, since there’s no way of killing all the damn bigots, and obviously even less way of educating them out of bigotry considering a lot of those white uni students who broke 63% for Trump were raised by parents who’d slug a person for using the n-word in their presence, I’m all for separating the nation. Unfortunately, the one way these idiots still look up to Lincoln is in the one least-right thing he ever did, turning the Union into Hotel California. If he’d just let the damned Confederacy go, or failing that, he or Johnson killed most of her planter class, the mindsets of said planter class wouldn’t have infected sufficient minds as to have twice brought about the disposal of a Civil Rights Act as unconstitutional.
re: #465 freetoken
But I’m not moving there just to try and tilt Iowa back to electing Democrats.
I have to smile because that’s entirely the point of my bringing it up.
I laugh at the stupidest shit.
Do you think when beets and goat cheese first met it was awkward or theyimmediately got along?
— Jim Gaffigan (@JimGaffigan) November 11, 2016
Too soon. https://t.co/7j5KQb3Msi
— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) November 11, 2016
re: #454 weave
We need to start our own FUD about losing Medicare and Social Security now. There’s enough squishy Republican Congressman who will worry about getting re-elected that we may be able to hold back enough votes to stop any efforts to kill it.
Maybe some teens in Macedonia will pick up on it. Would be sweet justice considering…
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re: #443 Belafon
Living here in Texas, close to Dallas but in a blood red area, I do envy those that live in blue states. At the same time, I wonder if, with the internet, and with global selling and shipping, if a number of companies in CA and other states could not move to places like Iowa.
I do understand there are differences, and I understand the possible struggles at the beginning, but, like the rest of us, changing this country won’t help if all of the companies pile in a few areas.
And the costs would be cheaper.
Cafepress moved most of their corporate to Louisville near their shipping & fulfillment center as I was leaving that company. I get IT recruiters from the mid-west regularly now - in large part because cost of living is low and people can afford to buy there. If I was younger and didn’t own a home it would definitely be a consideration.
So tech flight is happening…it’s just happening slowly.
Got a new guy in my office I work with from Ohio. Sold his house there for $300k and is suffering a bit of sticker shock out here. He’ll find a place for around $500-$600 if he doesn’t mind an hour drive as our company opened an east bay office which makes living in the San Joaquin valley possible.
Column by @tomeblen - Despite promises by Trump, GOP, here’s why a coal jobs revival isn’t coming https://t.co/U8SgNQaR1E pic.twitter.com/QYcekHuffh
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) November 11, 2016
Renewable energy has become dramatically cheaper in recent years, and that is creating a lot of jobs. The solar industry now employs more than 208,000 people nationwide, according to the Solar Foundation. The American Wind Energy Association reports that its sector employs 88,000 people.
If Kentucky politicians were not so committed to clinging to the past — and protecting the financial interests of coal operators — more efforts would be made to recruit renewable-energy jobs to this state.
Recent declines in Eastern Kentucky coal employment have been dramatic: from 15,000 jobs in 2009 to fewer than 4,000 today. But they are only the tail end of a 35-year trend of falling coal employment in the region from a modern peak of 50,000 jobs in 1981. Most mining jobs have been lost to industry mechanization, not government regulation. Where was the political outrage?
Meanwhile, Kentucky Sens. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul are waging their own “war on coal miners” by refusing to act on legislation that would keep 12,500 retired union miners from having their pensions cut off at the end of the year. The most likely explanation for this inaction is the Republicans’ hatred of unions. Trump so far has been silent on the pension issue.
Trump “has made a lot of promises,” Floyd County Judge Executive Ben Hale told WEKU-FM this week. “We expect him to follow through on them and see if he can do something, as far as restoring that industry and helping our coal people get back to work.”
Eastern Kentuckians are waiting on a coal revival that isn’t coming.
re: #473 Chrysicat
Not that it turns out there’s one nation to separate now, if indeed there ever was ;_(
re: #477 darthstar
Cafepress moved most of their corporate to Louisville near their shipping & fulfillment center as I was leaving that company. I get IT recruiters from the mid-west regularly now - in large part because cost of living is low and people can afford to buy there. If I was younger and didn’t own a home it would definitely be a consideration.
So tech flight is happening…it’s just happening slowly.
Got a new guy in my office I work with from Ohio. Sold his house there for $300k and is suffering a bit of sticker shock out here. He’ll find a place for around $500-$600 if he doesn’t mind an hour drive as our company opened an east bay office which makes living in the San Joaquin valley possible.
re: #374 Myron Falwell (no relation)
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Poor ol’ Athens County (Ohio) a liberal island due to Ohio UNiversity being in Athens Ohio and stuck in the middle of all those Trump supporters along the east side of Ohio.
As I commented the other day, a little like the US in general.
Not necessarily flyover country….it is drive by/around country.
But then here is one of the reasons (picture posted earlier this year)
re: #425 Shiplord Kirel
OH SHIT! It’s the Soros mind-control satellite. Now we know what went wrong!
Since the election, I have been approached by many Democrats who believe our party needs new leadership (1/3)
— Martin O’Malley (@MartinOMalley) November 11, 2016
vision, recommit ourselves to higher wages and a stronger middle class, and return to our roots as a nationwide, grassroots party. (3/3)
— Martin O’Malley (@MartinOMalley) November 11, 2016
Heads-up: You might want to keep LGF certain comments in private tags, and if you use Twitter don’t tweet troll food.
‘Get some of them to kill themselves’: Pro-Trump neo-Nazi site urges readers to troll liberals into #suicide: https://t.co/jNMezSIUv4 #p2
— CuriousLurker (@CuriousLurker) November 11, 2016
I guess for me it boils down to the middle of America wanting the return of things that will never come back. Coal. Steel. Labor-intensive manufacturing. Basically returning to the economy of the 1940s-1970s.
That is not possible, no matter how much you may wish it were. And nobody stole it. It didn’t move to China or Mexico.
re: #483 Backwoods_Sleuth
As long as “grass roots” doesn’t mean white.
re: #392 PhillyPretzel
Good Bye . I am very tired of the super simplistic answers such as #381. I have had it.
What? You aren’t leaving LGF are you???
For something Shropshire_Slasher said…not worth it.
( I hope I am misreading your comment)
re: #485 Blind Frog Belly White
I guess for me it boils down to the middle of America wanting the return of things that will never come back. Coal. Steel. Labor-intensive manufacturing. Basically returning to the economy of the 1940s-1970s.
That is not possible, no matter how much you may wish it were. And nobody stole it. It didn’t move to China or Mexico.
And what they want to move to isn’t what reality was back then anyway. Too many think that concentrating on whites is what made things great, when it was a combination of being the only country with a working industry after the war, and a very, very progressive tax system. And a love for something other than money.
re: #431 Blind Frog Belly White
You know what I’m fucking sick to death of? Being asked to understand and sympathize with worried white people in the middle of the country. Hearing about how terrible it is that there are no jobs in rural areas, that all of the jobs are in metro areas, and that people there have no hope.
Yeah, that’s awful. But it’s not fucking news. This is the same process that’s been going on since industrialization began. Jobs have been leaving the rural areas and moving to the city for 200 years.
You know what the rest of us did? WE MOVED. THAT is why there are so many more of us on the coasts, and in the cities. Because that’s what we had to do to find work, to raise our families.
When we did, we found out that there is a lot more to humanity than straight, white Christians, and that those people are really just like us. They want peace, stability, a safe place to live their lives and raise their children. They want to be themselves without fear. Why doesn’t somebody write an article telling white people in the middle of America that THEY need do understand US?
Rant off.
Yeah, when you know that your job may be gone due to technological advancements, you need to be prepared to change as well. You need to be flexible and learn as much as you can about as many things as you can so you can jump on opportunities or recognize opportunities when they present themselves.
re: #487 ObserverArt
What? You aren’t leaving LGF are you???
For something Shropshire_Slasher said…not worth it.
( I hope I am misreading your comment)
Heck, I thought 381 was a very good point. The two candidates can agree to sing together on stage, but ratfuckers not under their control can still fuck things up.
re: #485 Blind Frog Belly White
[sarc]Well, maybe the robots stole it[/sarc], but certainly no one and nothing else :-p
re: #484 CuriousLurker
Heads-up: You might want to keep LGF certain comments in private tags, and if you use Twitter don’t tweet troll food.
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These guys always kill the host. Bye bye, twitter.
re: #447 Patricia Kayden
Even though I am not, I would register as Muslim then. I cannot imagine that such a law would withstand Constitutional scrutiny but given Trump’s possible SCOTUS picks, it may just do so.
I’d do it, too. I’d register as whatever group is being targeted.
Biden: …so, when Trump walks in, you duck and I sock him wit-
Obama: No, Joe pic.twitter.com/sJIejb1rEN— Mollie Goodfellow (@hansmollman) November 10, 2016
re: #392 PhillyPretzel
Good Bye . I am very tired of the super simplistic answers such as #381. I have had it.
I get anger over simplistic answers or comments, but everyone’s coping in different ways.
There’s a whole lot of reasons that the election ended up as it did. The FBI did have a role in all of this. So too did the media. And voters. And Bernie supporters and the Stein supporters. And Clinton and the DNC.
Each had different effects - the FBI letter based on malware (that they needed to report something that they hadn’t even fully investigated) but could then clear a week later to far less fanfare) certainly plays a role in late break for Trump.
Media mendacity throughout, giving Trump free airtime and not holding him accountable, particularly on cable or network news, all while Clinton was excoriated for emails and everything lumped together.
Clinton’s message was more sophisticated and complex in response to how to get jobs back in places like OH or PA or WV - coal jobs aren’t coming back. Trump lied when he said he’d bring them back, but those voters didn’t care about the lie. They heard what they wanted to hear.
Add to that the built it bigotry, misogyny, and hate that Trump used to generate support, and there’s a lot to digest and address.
No easy answers.
But it is easy and cathartic to say Fuck the FBI’s Comey for his mendacity.
re: #485 Blind Frog Belly White
I guess for me it boils down to the middle of America wanting the return of things that will never come back. Coal. Steel. Labor-intensive manufacturing. Basically returning to the economy of the 1940s-1970s.
That is not possible, no matter how much you may wish it were. And nobody stole it. It didn’t move to China or Mexico.
Sadly, it seems no one has the courage to explain that the immediate post-WWII jobs environment isn’t coming back. It was a unique moment in history, to be sure, but the world has changed immeasurably since then.
re: #481 ObserverArt
Poor ol’ Athens County (Ohio) a liberal island due to Ohio UNiversity being in Athens Ohio and stuck in the middle of all those Trump supporters along the east side of Ohio.
As I commented the other day, a little like the US in general.
Not necessarily flyover country….it is drive by/around country.
But then here is one of the reasons (picture posted earlier this year)
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Looks just like the little central PA towns I was driving through a month ago. Or the central NY ones 3-4 years ago. The local economies crashed and never came back. And the remaining local industries have just been hanging on, or slowly losing their grips and closing as well. The areas are thinly populated and have minimal budgets, but are still overpopulated in terms of the available employment.
re: #497 calochortus
Oops, twitchy finger. Deleted.
I was just intending to say that companies who have gotten bright ideas about moving to the heartland have frequently had trouble retaining/hiring qualified people. If your industry depends on keeping up with the latest developments, the internet is not enough. “Pioneers” in the center of the country get left behind.
re: #498 Dr Lizardo
Sadly, it seems no one has the courage to explain that the immediate post-WWII jobs environment isn’t coming back. It was a unique moment in history, to be sure, but the world has changed immeasurably since then.
Manufacturing is now far more automated than ever - those jobs aren’t coming back. Even in coal mining, things are far more automated (and strip mines are more economical and automated than the underground mines in places like PA or WV - which is why they’ve shuttered). Same with steel industry. You don’t need as many people to make stuff when automation does the job of multiple people.
Curiously, these same people are anti-union, despite fact that unions helped grow those jobs in the first place, and protected those workers by demanding health/safety improvements, higher wages, etc.
re: #484 CuriousLurker
Heads-up: You might want to keep LGF certain comments in private tags, and if you use Twitter don’t tweet troll food.
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re: #493 Barefoot Grin
These guys always kill the host. Bye bye, twitter.
Twitter is killing itself by their failed libertarianism worldview. They are simply providing the parting shots.
re: #484 CuriousLurker
That is horrifying but not at all surprising given how nasty the alt-right is. But don’t you dare call them deplorable. Somehow it’s worse to be called a deplorable than to be one.
There’s no “Not all Trump voters are racist.” Here’s why:
— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) November 11, 2016
Once u decide jobs or w/e the fuck else excuse u have for voting for him is worth sacrificing our well being for, you’re devoid of morality.
— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) November 11, 2016
re: #434 Chrysicat
Gah! “2/3 of the statehouses” Or is that the other way round?
re: #505 Patricia Kayden
That is horrifying but not at all surprising given how nasty the alt-right is. But don’t you dare call them deplorable. Somehow it’s worse to be called a deplorable than to be one.
Replace deplorable with racist. Same thing.
re: #506 Myron Falwell (no relation)
That’s the John Scalzi response.
For the pm crowd: The Cinemax Theory of Racism:https://t.co/QaTOjHdE5N
Or, why voting for a racist reflects poorly on your life choices.— John Scalzi (@scalzi) November 10, 2016
Jury wanted to review use of force expert testimony. Here’s more on that testimony: https://t.co/4Gyrtz1EWD #TensingTrial pic.twitter.com/rqiAkHojTi
— Local 12/WKRC-TV (@Local12) November 11, 2016
re: #509 lawhawk
That’s the John Scalzi response.
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I was just gonna post that. Glad I don’t have to go look for it. ;)
re: #372 The Vicious Babushka
I anticipate many more Flints as Trump’s administration deregulates water supplies and federal oversight is decreased on a national level.
re: #508 Belafon
Updinged, but no, it’s not quite. Maybe it could be replaced with “bigot” but even some of their small number of non-racists are Deplorables, because they are all for closer relations with Russia because both that nation and this group of them aren’t just for legalising beating apparently-GLBT folk, but for encouraging it.
re: #509 lawhawk
That’s the John Scalzi response.
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He is far more measured and gentle than I feel like being. My view is more along the lines of “racist is as racist does.” I don’t give a shit what they claim is in their hearts. I care what they say and do, including who they vote for.
Lol MSNBC talking about whether Trump will be “sensitive” to criticism that all his proposed cabinet members are white men.
— Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) November 11, 2016
re: #507 Chrysicat
3/4ths.
2/3rds can start towards an amendment, but 3/4ths of states are required to ratify it.
Trump voters: Hate to break it to you, but Black Lives Matter will still exist. PC culture and LGBT weddings, too. Your Medicare? Maybe not.
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) November 11, 2016
re: #509 lawhawk
That’s the John Scalzi response.
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Thanks! I sent this Tonya’s way.
re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth
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LOL!! I’m too exhausted and bitter to laugh but really MSNBC? I can see that my blood pressure will thank me for giving up cable news.
Ukraine hopes Trump is ‘no Tsar’, will not abandon Kiev
Good luck with that, Ukraine.
Trump may be “draining the swamp,” but it’s only so he can resurrect the Beltway dinosaurs buried underneath it.
— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) November 11, 2016
re: #521 freetoken
Ukraine hopes Trump is ‘no Tsar’, will not abandon Kiev
Good luck with that, Ukraine.
I’m worried for the NATO nations that used to be Soviet satellites. I’m not even sure those are safe.
re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth
Ed Meese is still alive?!
re: #523 Belafon
I’m worried for the NATO nations that used to be Soviet satellites. I’m not even sure those are safe.
As more than a few of my students have been pondering for a couple of days.
re: #524 Dr Lizardo
Ed Meese is still alive?!
Unfortunately, now the anti-pornography activist can hang out with a man who appeared in Playboy movies.
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Eleventh Month
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ARMISTICE DAY Now Veteran’s Day
NPR asserts:
For Trump, Pakistan And Afghanistan Pose Challenges Without Easy Solutions
When Donald Trump finally has his feet under the desk in the Oval Office and opens the files marked “Afghanistan” and “Pakistan,” he will find much to worry about.
Well, the first problem with this assertion is that Trump will indeed “open the files” on those two countries. I have not seen any indication that Trump even really thinks about those things, and definitely he would not care to wade into any detailed discussion about those two countries.
re: #512 Patricia Kayden
I anticipate many more Flints as Trump’s administration deregulates water supplies and federal oversight is decreased on a national level.
I am awaiting something that allows the pumping of Great Lakes water outside of the watershed for use elsewhere. Once someone with GOP connections figures on how to make that profitable enough I expect the Great Lakes Compact will be scrapped as “governmental overreach and waste of taxpayer dollars”.
re: #529 Feline Fearless Leader
I am awaiting something that allows the pumping of Great Lakes water outside of the watershed for use elsewhere. Once someone with GOP connections figures on how to make that profitable enough I expect the Great Lakes Compact will be scrapped as “governmental overreach and waste of taxpayer dollars”.
Global warming should take care of the profit issue.
re: #520 Patricia Kayden
LOL!! I’m too exhausted and bitter to laugh but really MSNBC? I can see that my blood pressure will thank me for giving up cable news.
There is no such thing as cable “news”. It’s all propaganda disguised as entertainment now, maybe some of it is tilted to your liking, but it’s certainly not news.
News would focus on what Trump has done/said, not what he might do.
re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth
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I imagine buyer’s remorse will be setting in sooner rather than later for his supporters.
@lawhawk Swamp Thing is a hero…usually. These guys are Lex Fucking Luthor’s minions, except pathetic and old @radleybalko @LuthorCEO
— jay (@random__name) November 11, 2016
re: #532 CuriousLurker
I imagine buyer’s remorse will be setting in sooner rather than later for his supporters.
I doubt it, that would require that they have a functioning brain, in which case they wouldn’t be his supporters in the first place.
Sorry, I am back to pissed-off on my swing-a-mood right now.
re: #532 CuriousLurker
I imagine buyer’s remorse will be setting in sooner rather than later for his supporters.
Not as long as they continue to get all their “news” from Fox and talk radio, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
re: #492 CuriousLurker
WTF? SECONDED. Please come back.
I can certainly understand frustration. This has been a tough week to concentrate on my graphics work. But…
Trump Campaigned Against Lobbyists. Now They’re on His Transition Team. https://t.co/1UeohDJKlm
— NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) November 11, 2016
re: #535 Skip Intro
Not as long as they continue to get all their “news” from Fox and talk radio, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
Doesn’t buyers remorse require someone to say “I think I messed up”? If they could do that, we wouldn’t be as far down the road as we are.
re: #532 CuriousLurker
I imagine buyer’s remorse will be setting in sooner rather than later for his supporters.
I expect a doubling-down first. Others blamed for the “swamp” not being drained and all the jobs not flowing from the Trump-ucopia’s butt.
I am not sure there will ever be the realization that electing “the outsider” simply provided cover for the wreckers and takers to gain more power and be given 2-4 years to legislate and appoint judges unopposed. They will just retreat further into the “both parties are bad” shell and probably just stop voting altogether since “they tried to change things” and it failed.
re: #532 CuriousLurker
I imagine buyer’s remorse will be setting in sooner rather than later for his supporters.
They fucked up.
They trusted him.
Trump supporters ram sign-holding war #veteran with truck in politically motivated hit-and-run https://t.co/hpz29Fk16m pic.twitter.com/UEsjcmYpV7
— Raw Story (@RawStory) November 11, 2016
re: #540 Dr Lizardo
They fucked up.
They trusted him.
They’ll never admit it. Every single thing bad that happens to them from Jan20 on will be Obama and the Democrats fault.
Every single thing, for the next four years. And the media will gleefully play along because they really don’t want Trump not to like them.
If any of the people that voted for Trump don’t think he is going to bait ‘n’ switch them to death on just about everything, they were too busy reading emails and ignored a whole 40 year, readily available history of Trump screwing little people in small business like them, unions, codes enforcers… all they way up to banks and local governments.
That’s what FOX will do for you. Gah!
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Attorneys and court administrators coming out of judge’s chambers. Ray Tensing just entered courtroom #TensingTrial
— Angenette Levy (@Angenette5) November 11, 2016
re: #521 freetoken
Ukraine hopes Trump is ‘no Tsar’, will not abandon Kiev
Good luck with that, Ukraine.
Czar Vladimir I picked out his crown years ago. He’s just waiting for the right moment to proclaim the rebirth of the Empire.
re: #544 Stanley Sea
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re: #545 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Hung jury
— Deborah Dixon (@CrimestopperDeb) November 11, 2016
Jurors entering courtroom. DuBose family not here. Jury cannot reach unanimous verdict on either count #TensingTrial
— Angenette Levy (@Angenette5) November 11, 2016
re: #532 CuriousLurker
I imagine buyer’s remorse will be setting in sooner rather than later for his supporters.
This presumes any sort of consistency in his supporters.
But really…fucking Edwin Meese? Fucking Edwin ‘If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect’ Meese?
Hung jury
— Deborah Dixon (@CrimestopperDeb) November 11, 2016
Judge asking them to return to juror room and deliberate further. #TensingTrial https://t.co/g5x8HwZsWC
— Perry Schaible (@Local12Perry) November 11, 2016
re: #533 Jayleia
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They’re hoping for Swamp Things and getting Solomon Grundies instead.
re: #553 Kryptik in Mourning
They’re hoping for Swamp Things and getting Solomon Grundies instead.
Will Mark Cuban have to step up and be Batman now?
re: #534 Timothy Watson
I doubt it, that would require that they have a functioning brain, in which case they wouldn’t be his supporters in the first place.
Yeah, but he’s not “draining the swamp,” far from it He hasn’t the slightest idea how to govern, so he’s keeping the establishment guys and even bringing back all the old neocons to help him.
The deplorables care about one thing and one thing only: that which fits into their very narrow world view and benefits them personally. When it finally dawns on them what’s happening they’re going to be furious and will turn on him viciously—at which point they’ll discover they’re utterly impotent, thanks to the powerful position they’ve elected him to. He got what he wanted from them.
Sorry, I am back to pissed-off on my swing-a-mood right now.
Heh, understood.
re: #532 CuriousLurker
I imagine buyer’s remorse will be setting in sooner rather than later for his supporters.
I’ll bet good money on that.
His voters are the same people who have elected ‘true conservatives,’ and when those elected had to face the reality of actually governing and couldn’t complete The Big Conservative Punch List, decided that those people weren’t conservative enough and voted out their former saviors for the new really, really true conservatives.
They’ve boiled the conservative philosophy down to the point where they’re stuck with voting for bald-faced bigots and legislative machete-wielders.
I’ll give him a year, and when those people haven’t been deported and the media (such as it is) hasn’t been completely brought to heel and Hillary Clinton isn’t in shackles and their health care disappears and their SS checks and Medicare benefits disappear, the knives will come out.
Anything less than 100% pure will be 100% impure. They will turn on him.
re: #535 Skip Intro
Not as long as they continue to get all their “news” from Fox and talk radio, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
They’ll believe the narratives put forth by said mediums** and solely blame President Obama for putting Trump in such a horrible position.
** Outside of “propaganda outfits,” that’s the best way to describe them.
re: #539 Feline Fearless Leader
I expect a doubling-down first. Others blamed for the “swamp” not being drained and all the jobs not flowing from the Trump-ucopia’s butt.
I am not sure there will ever be the realization that electing “the outsider” simply provided cover for the wreckers and takers to gain more power and be given 2-4 years to legislate and appoint judges unopposed. They will just retreat further into the “both parties are bad” shell and probably just stop voting altogether since “they tried to change things” and it failed.
Good, let them crawl back into their dank hidey-holes. The sooner the better.
re: #383 danarchy
You mean the KKK celebration parade that never happened?
Fail. I wasn’t referring to that. Try to keep up:
nypost.com
redstate.com
independent.co.uk
These were sent 9 hours apart. pic.twitter.com/rREnWa95Yb
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) November 11, 2016
And they were both via Android. It was donald on the phone both times.
BREAKING NEWS: Because a Republican lost to a Dem on the state Supreme Court, giving Dems a 4-3 edge, legislature wants to add 2 court seats
— rolandsmartin (@rolandsmartin) November 11, 2016
re: #562 Backwoods_Sleuth
And they were both via Android. It was donald on the phone both times.
It’s only a matter of time before he tweets national security secrets or his phone gets hacked. He has zero discipline and there is no way in hell he’s going to follow the suffering strict rules of being a government employee.
re: #563 Backwoods_Sleuth
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BREAKING NEWS: since GOP Gov. Pat McCrory lost, they want to add the 2 seats in a special session, have him appoint before he leaves office.
— rolandsmartin (@rolandsmartin) November 11, 2016
Judge gives the jury an Allen charge to go back out and further deliberate. #TensingTrial #SamDubose
— venoch (@venoch) November 11, 2016
re: #565 Dr. Matt
Technically it’s an elected office, not an employee.
He’s actually got more rules to follow than just a plain old employee, who in general have to follow Federal law like any other person.
Elected officials, on the other hand, have to worry about conflicts of interest to a greater degree of scrutiny.
re: #563 Backwoods_Sleuth
Democracy for me, not for thee.
Fox Hosts Tangle Over Trump: ‘You Called The President-Elect A Racist’
Here we go, for the next for years if you criticize the “president” you are anti-American…..just watch.
re: #550 Kryptik in Mourning
This presumes any sort of consistency in his supporters.
But really…fucking Edwin Meese? Fucking Edwin ‘If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect’ Meese?
They’re consistently selfish. When they don’t get what they want it’s gonna get ugly.
I wish there was someone at my job I could sarcastically laugh at that with.
re: #569 freetoken
Elected officials, on the other hand, have to worry about conflicts of interest to a greater degree of scrutiny.
Who’s going to stop him?
re: #569 freetoken
Technically it’s an elected office, not an employee.
.
Are you fucking kidding me? FFS. An elected official is still a federal employee, a government employee, a public servant, etc. Unbelievable assholism here today.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
If only this could happen IRL
Taking A Stand: Disney Will Add Donald Trump To Its Animatronic Hall Of Presidents, But It Will Be Able To Feel Pain https://t.co/Cf1ncbKCFv pic.twitter.com/bF0PTAf74C
— ClickHole (@ClickHole) November 11, 2016
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Fun Fact about New Balance, the first major sportswear company to support Trump:
I just checked the product tag on my pair of NB.
They were made in Indonesia. So much for “America First!”
re: #577 nines09
Hang in there.
Go back to that guitar. There is solace there (speaking as one who knows).
Any of our legal experts here care to chime in on the Ray Tensing trial judge reading the jury the Allen Charge? Like what is the likelihood that it spurs holdouts to action?
From anyone following the trial, any indication where you think the holdouts are coming from? Do you think the holdouts think he is guilty of one of the charges? Or want acquittal?
re: #577 nines09
I understand. I wish I had some words of real comfort for you. I’ll be insulated by living in a deep blue state and I can only hope that the pain of the next four years will be shared by Trump voters as well as the people they were hoping would suffer.
As I said the other day, we can only put one foot in front of the other and keep on keeping on in the meanwhile.
Also, for those looking what can be done to turn things around next cycle:
A coordinated effort to defeat voter suppression and disenfranchisement would also yield more Democratic victories.
— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) November 11, 2016
re: #578 Backwoods_Sleuth
Fun Fact about New Balance, the first major sportswear company to support Trump:
I just checked the product tag on my pair of NB.
They were made in Indonesia. So much for “America First!”
Missed that about New Balance, and I really needed to order a pair of new shoes and I was going to just reorder the pair I have now (New Balance MX519BK, Made in Vietnam). Guess I have to grab some Reebok Classics instead.
re: #580 Franklin
Any of our legal experts here care to chime in on the Ray Tensing trial judge reading the jury the Allen Charge? Like what is the likelihood that it spurs holdouts to action?
From anyone following the trial, any indication where you think the holdouts are coming from? Do you think the holdouts think he is guilty of one of the charges? Or want acquittal?
With the Allen Charge, the judge is urging the jurors to listen to each others’ opinions. Essentially telling the holdouts they should change their minds.
Also, the jury is hung on both charges.
re: #583 Timothy Watson
Missed that about New Balance, and I really needed to order a pair of new shoes and I was going to just reorder the pair I have now (New Balance MX519BK, Made in Vietnam). Guess I have to grab some Reebok Classics instead.
Someone suggested a company that sells shoes that vary in widths. I don’t remember the name, but I need to order some soon.
re: #582 Franklin
It’s worth saying that if you ended felony disenfranchisement the pool of potential Dem voters would expand by millions in VA, FL, & NC.
— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) November 11, 2016
Felony disenfranchisement is one of America’s most appalling policies, IMO. https://t.co/yPaw8XMEeJ
— David S. Bernstein (@dbernstein) November 11, 2016
re: #586 Franklin
Which won’t be ended until we control some legislatures.
@MaeveReston
The inaccurate narrative is that CNN is in the news business and that you’re a journalist in any meaningful sense of the word.— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 11, 2016
re: #575 Dr. Matt
Are you fucking kidding me? FFS. An elected official is still a federal employee, a government employee, a public servant, etc. Unbelievable assholism here today.
Sorry if I’ve pushed your buttons somehow.
But being a former employee, there are differences between the civil service, the executive service, and elected offices. And those differences can come into play when there are problems.
re: #576 Myron Falwell (no relation)
Shouldn’t it be Bill Clinton though?/
OK, part of this “one foot in front of the other” thing is getting up and actually doing the stuff on my to-do list every day. So I’d better get to it.
BBL
re: #569 freetoken
Technically it’s an elected office, not an employee.
He’s actually got more rules to follow than just a plain old employee, who in general have to follow Federal law like any other person.
Elected officials, on the other hand, have to worry about conflicts of interest to a greater degree of scrutiny.
Guess what. Not any more.
re: #588 gocart mozart
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Maeve also thinks Democrats are unmoored from their roots—(but the Republicans are still the party of Lincoln, right Maeve?)
Democrats try to pick up the pieces https://t.co/BsBsmLn9JW pic.twitter.com/TT6VApwhr9
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) November 11, 2016
For Democrats now, a time of reflection about whether they’ve become unmoored from their roots and their path back from political wilderness https://t.co/P9ZiPm43kH
— Maeve Reston (@MaeveReston) November 11, 2016
re: #569 freetoken
Technically it’s an elected office, not an employee.
He’s actually got more rules to follow than just a plain old employee, who in general have to follow Federal law like any other person.
Elected officials, on the other hand, have to worry about conflicts of interest to a greater degree of scrutiny.
But who is going to hold Trump accountable? To want extent will he be able to intimidate the press? Hard to consider the media sucking even more.
re: #577 nines09
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re: #593 BeachDem
Maeve also thinks Democrats are unmoored from their roots—(but the Republicans are still the party of Lincoln, right Maeve?)
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I presume what she means about the Democrats’ roots is going back to what the party was pre-Civil Rights era, because that was the GOP’s exact winning strategy: be the anti-civil rights party.
Until I see an actual bill being scored, this counts as vaporware.
GOP aides tell me ACA’s Medicaid expansion, staying on family plan until 26, pre-existing conditions ban will stay. https://t.co/5b28ursQsd
— Caitlin Owens (@caitlinnowens) November 11, 2016
If anything, this goes back to what I thought Romney would do if he had won in 2012 - basically rebrand Obamacare Romneycare and call it a win.
All the BS opposition to Obamacare was because Obama enacted it - using the GOP ideas of individual mandate and personal responsibility. That so pissed off the GOP that they called the idea they birthed unconstitutional.
re: #592 The Vicious Babushka
Guess what. Not any more.
Not once the spawn take that “blind trust” which is the opposite of a blind trust and run with it—and, because we don’t know anything about Trump’s actual business dealings and associates (thanks, media, for staying hot on the tax return trail), they’ll totally get away with that bullshit.
Conflict of interest? The spawn said they won’t talk to daddy—I know I’M satisfied.//////////////////
re: #593 BeachDem
Maeve also thinks Democrats are unmoored from their roots—(but the Republicans are still the party of Lincoln, right Maeve?)
We’re still angry, but we won the popular vote. The only thing they’ve got going for them right now is that the EC favors them in close races.
re: #597 lawhawk
Until I see an actual bill being scored, this counts as vaporware.
If anything, this goes back to what I thought Romney would do if he had won in 2012 - basically rebrand Obamacare Romneycare and call it a win.
All the BS opposition to Obamacare was because Obama enacted it - using the GOP ideas of individual mandate and personal responsibility. That so pissed off the GOP that they called the idea they birthed unconstitutional.
I’m sure those two are very popular with their base, because it affects the base and doesn’t add “moochers.”
re: #597 lawhawk
Until I see an actual bill being scored, this counts as vaporware.
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If anything, this goes back to what I thought Romney would do if he had won in 2012 - basically rebrand Obamacare Romneycare and call it a win.
All the BS opposition to Obamacare was because Obama enacted it - using the GOP ideas of individual mandate and personal responsibility. That so pissed off the GOP that they called the idea they birthed unconstitutional.
The Trumpanzees and the Teahadis are gonna be apoplectic if that’s the case. Or who knows…..maybe they’ll like their new TrumpCare.
re: #594 prairiefire
But who is going to hold Trump accountable?
In theory, Congress.
For example, Trump needs to separate his own interests from that of the office. Thus he nees one of those “blind” trusts.
Initial reports, and his campaign claims, is that he’d put his children in charge.
But of course that is not “blind”.
Congress is the one to hold him accountable for things like this. It really is why impeachment as a function of Congress exists.
So, Trump refused to honor the media’s traditional ‘protective pool’ when he went to DC yesterday…
Yesterday, the White House Correspondents Association raised a flag on President-Elect Trump’s refusal to allow a so-called ‘protective pool’ for his visit to DC. A protective pool is a small group, often just one reporter, who goes with the president virtually everywhere they go outside the White House. Go to a fundraiser, go to play golf, go out for dinner, there is at least one reporter assigned by the pool system to be there with the president.
Why? Anything can happen. Some incident of great historic moment can happen, there can be a threat on the president, anything. The idea is that you want at least one journalist there to report what happened. Needless to say, in the overwhelming number of cases that person just records the exact time the President arrived and departed, a few pieces of color and that’s about it.
The pool reporter files that report to every news organization in the pool. TPM is part of the DC pool but not the traveling pool.
This whole system is run by the White House Correspondents Association which, yes, is the same group that puts on the rather ridiculous but entertaining White House Correspondents Association Dinner. Now, the WHCA spends a lot of time obsessing about what I would call access formalities - often to the detriment of more substantive and significant journalistic issues. In an of itself this protective pool issue is a pretty marginal one, certainly while Trump is the president-elect. But it’s not in and of itself. Trump has been notoriously, historically opaque through the campaign. He’s the first candidate in decades never to release his tax returns. He spent much of the campaign not just vilifying the press but actually inciting supporters against his traveling press. Any effort to turn back the unofficial norms that allow news organizations to scrutinize and inform the public about the president should be greeted with serious and grave concern.
Things like clampdowns on FOIA, exclusion of meddlesome, non-friendly reporters from the White House briefing room and a host of other things would be much more ominous. But this happened on the new President-Elect’s second day with the title. That’s a bad sign.
Another potential worry - what if this new administration just goes dark and starts arbitrarily taking away access?
Would any of these news organizations stand up to them?
re: #603 nines09
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re: #604 makeitstop
So, Trump refused to honor the media’s traditional ‘protective pool’ when he went to DC yesterday…
Another potential worry - what if this new administration just goes dark and starts arbitrarily taking away access?
Would any of these news organizations stand up to them?
If they make too much noise, it’ll always be a FOX reporter.
re: #602 freetoken
And we’ll find out of the Republican congress is going to hold him accountable.
@NewRightCelt @TUSK81 If you don’t believe in what the Statue Of Liberty stands for then maybe you are the one that should leave.
— jim (@jlcoffeecup) November 11, 2016
re: #607 Belafon
There are enough hostile Republicans that I think there is a chance.
re: #607 Belafon
And we’ll find out of the Republican congress is going to hold him accountable.
That’s a good question.
When Watergate broke the Dems controlled Congress, both chambers. If the Republicans had been in control, i wonder if there would have been investigations and impeachment considerations.
re: #604 makeitstop
So, Trump refused to honor the media’s traditional ‘protective pool’ when he went to DC yesterday…
Another potential worry - what if this new administration just goes dark and starts arbitrarily taking away access?
Would any of these news organizations stand up to them?
No if. President Trump is going to F the press as much as he can get away with.
re: #613 nines09
Ok now?
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re: #614 The Vicious Babushka
Lost on private mssge. You have my thanks.
I think I’ve spotted a new Murphy law as applied to the US politics.
Every time you see liberals beginning to claim that the GOP is dying or becoming a regional party, posting cute extinct GOPosaur pictures etc., the GOP is actually on the verge of some sweeping victories.
Has worked about 3 times in my recent memory.
re: #616 Nyet
The rumors of the death of the Republican party have been greatly exaggerated.
re: #616 Nyet
I think I’ve spotted a new Murphy law as applied to the US politics.
Any time you see liberals beginning to claim that the GOP is dying or becoming a regional party, posting cute dead GOPosaur pictures etc., the GOP is actually on the verge of some sweeping victories.
Has worked about 3 times in my recent memory.
It’s what Balloon Juice has referred to as ‘Peak Wingnut’, and as you can imagine, just when you think you’ve reached it, the clouds part and you realize you have higher still to climb.
Fmr U.S. Ambassador to Russia @McFaul says he’s on the Kremlin’s sanctions list and can’t travel to Russia because of his ties to POTUS: pic.twitter.com/ieS1tucDqS
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 11, 2016
re: #618 Emptor scriptor Remorse
The rumors of the death of the Republican party have been greatly exaggerated.
The party is dead. There is just a different party wearing it’s skin.
Scoop: New York Observer Ending Print Edition https://t.co/NhRKVRQL0h
— Mike Grynbaum (@grynbaum) November 11, 2016
Paper owned by Jared Kushner, son-in-law of Trump —> https://t.co/04eLOoTh5D
— Nick Corasaniti (@NYTnickc) November 11, 2016
re: #622 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Robert Vaughn, ‘Magnificent Seven, ’ ‘Man From U.N.C.L.E.’ Star, Dies at 83 https://t.co/lyzaBM0iA5 pic.twitter.com/NvqtH09V1I
— TheWrap (@TheWrap) November 11, 2016
re: #624 Backwoods_Sleuth
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2016 continues to suck, following a 2015 that was nothing but an endless suck.
re: #625 lawhawk
2016 continues to suck, following a 2015 that was nothing but an endless suck.
And yet you will miss it with what’s about to come.
McConnell says he asked Trump to approve Keystone pipeline
— Ryland Barton (@RylandKY) November 11, 2016
re: #624 Backwoods_Sleuth
On no, one of my first crushes! So sexy in “The Man From Uncle.”
Given how many campaign managers he had, what is the over/under on Chiefs of Staff you think Trump will have? Will Lewandowski leave CNN for a temporary gig as COS? Will Manafort do a stint? Right now the scuttletweets say it’s between Priebus and Bannon.
@lawhawk @seanhannity it’s not tax cuts for the rich. It’s a 3 tier bracket system. The rich pay the most. Try thinking for yourself.
— Deidra Davis (@DeidraDavis) November 11, 2016
Never mind that Trump’s tax plan is a massive giveaway to the rich, while everyone else gets scraps.
I’ve posted this before, but deserves to be reposted:
Under Trump’s plan as far as I can glean, anyone making over $190k gets the biggest cuts, both in percentage terms and in dollar amounts. Those at the bottom get the least (in both percentage points and dollars).
These people don’t get it. They just don’t get it.
re: #631 darthstar
Given how many campaign managers he had, what is the over/under on Chiefs of Staff you think Trump will have? Will Lewandowski leave CNN for a temporary gig as COS? Will Manafort do a stint? Right now the scuttletweets say it’s between Priebus and Bannon.
Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski arrived at Trump Tower about 9:30
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) November 11, 2016
re: #627 Nyet
Quite possibly, but 2015 was about as deep a suck as any one person can experience.
Heh. I mentioned yesterday how I wished somebody would come up with a Trumpblocker along the Adblocker lines. And now there’s a Make Trump Burger Again Chrome Extension.
I feel at a slight advantage. I’ve been waking up feeling dazed, and like the world is somehow different for two years now. This is nothin’.
Saudi student is beaten, killed in Wisconsin https://t.co/IugaeaeWMK via @usatoday
— Timothy Watson (@timothy_watson) November 11, 2016
Wonkette rips into “Pro-Choice, Pro-Same Sex Marriage, Non-Racist Trump Supporters”
wonkette.com
re: #636 BeachDem
Heh. I mentioned yesterday how I wished somebody would come up with a Trumpblocker along the Adblocker lines. And now there’s a Make Trump Burger Again Chrome Extension.
Can someone PLEASE make this an iOS app? I’d pay bags and bags of cash for it.
Yeah, we could have told you this from day 1.
I will no longer stay silent about how @DrJillStein has treated me throughout her campaign @wkamaubell @harikondabolu @GreenPartyUS @gpny pic.twitter.com/KGw2DgNsBj
— Rosa A. Clemente (@rosaclemente) November 11, 2016
Wow. I never saw it for Jill for a number of reasons but this is just… https://t.co/H9Bo1qJDP0
— jamilah (@JamilahLemieux) November 11, 2016
Jill Stein surrounded herself with a lot of bros who couldn’t care about PoC. Same with Bernie. All attacked Clinton, who was doing her best to attract and support PoC.
re: #632 lawhawk
All they hear is that the rich pay more and thus deserve the most cuts. They don’t understand, and are willing to learn, how percentages work.
re: #640 Myron Falwell (no relation)
Acc. to comments the implementation is a bit lacking.
— emilio porompompero (@PoromEmilio) November 11, 2016
So here’s what got me furious this morning.
Leftists: *scramble to unite under common banner in order to make street protest strategies effective at defending at risk groups*
Liberals: pic.twitter.com/h5UtQzNZ05— Gavin Bard (@lightfantastic) November 11, 2016
So we had this election, and we know the results are going to see a lot of people hurt badly. Folks will lose human rights, healthcare and more, they’re scared as fuck, and some are committing suicide. Author Seanan McGuire has been on Twitter posting encouraging messages in fandom-speak, trying to give courage to terrified people. She’s doing this because she knows people who’ve actually killed themselves from fear of what the GOP is going to do to them.
So here comes this twit who is mad about this because McGuire isn’t marching like he is, isn’t the purest pony like he is, and he decides the real enemy here isn’t Trump or Pence or Republicans or the Klan or Putin or the Trump-humping press. No, he decides the real enemy here… is the LGBT lady in the wheelchair trying to keep people from killing themselves.
That’s what’s got me furious this morning.
A member of a sociopathic party wonders why she was treated badly. https://t.co/CvzOzHZWbL
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) November 11, 2016
re: #645 scottslemmons
I am pretty fucking pissed at the people who have time to protest now but couldn’t be fucking bothered to help out on the campaign.
And, yeah, that’s going to be my pet fucking peeve for awhile so I apologize in advance.
re: #637 wrenchwench
I feel at a slight advantage. I’ve been waking up feeling dazed, and like the world is somehow different for two years now. This is nothin’.
Yep, alternative world view, WW be our guide! You still have your natural intelligence, I’ll be watching for your posts!
re: #640 Myron Falwell (no relation)
Can someone PLEASE make this an iOS app? I’d pay bags and bags of cash for it.
Well, I added the Chrome extension, but so far it doesn’t work. Maybe I need to reboot.
Winter is coming. Please be sure to check the hood of your car for small animals who may sleep there for warmth before driving off. pic.twitter.com/HQAD8O2gPH
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 11, 2016
This has been making the RWNJ FB rounds:
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re: #645 scottslemmons
Protests only work if the target cares about the optics.
re: #651 Shiplord Kirel
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re: #651 Shiplord Kirel
Typical porn, in the militaristic sense.
re: #631 darthstar
Given how many campaign managers he had, what is the over/under on Chiefs of Staff you think Trump will have? Will Lewandowski leave CNN for a temporary gig as COS? Will Manafort do a stint? Right now the scuttletweets say it’s between Priebus and Bannon.
Will Donald Trump take a dump on all of them buy over promising future fame, jobs, payment???
re: #651 Shiplord Kirel
This has been making the RWNJ FB rounds:
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That’s been around for more than a year. I think it was created by Sharpwriter at DeviantArt, to go with his other Presidential Portraits. He did not make a corresponding illustration for the Democratic candidate.
re: #652 Belafon
Protests only work if the target cares about the optics.
Protests can be effective at ending the ability of passive enablers to pretend the bad guys they support aren’t horrible. That’s pretty much how the civil rights protests in the 1960s played out.
Ha!
I love how hard you are getting dragged for this, @jonathanweisman. You deserve it.
— Jesse Berney (@jesseberney) November 11, 2016
Update—just tried the Make Trump Burger extension again and IT WORKED! So glad to not have to look at his hideous face. (Only problem is now I REALLY want a burger.)
re: #657 EPR-radar
Protests can be effective at ending the ability of passive enablers to pretend the bad guys they support aren’t horrible. That’s pretty much how the civil rights protests in the 1960s played out.
Good points, but does it do much if the bad guys don’t respond with violence. I do agree that, if the media will cover it, it forces an issue out in the open.
I’m also trying to respond to the idea that the protests are going to have a huge affect right now. I also can’t see the picture that is supposedly what the liberals are doing.
re: #658 Franklin
Ha!
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Shorter Weisman: Dems need to cater to whites exclusively to win again.
Fuck that, fuck him.
Pence will probably be taking over a lot of jobs:
Vice President-elect Pence to Take Over Trump Transition Effort
Vice President-elect Mike Pence will take over the job of leading Donald J. Trump’s transition effort, taking the helm from Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey, as Mr. Trump moves to assemble a government after his stunning upset victory, several sources close to the transition team said on Friday.
Mr. Christie had been in charge of the transition for the last several months, but the surprise nature of Mr. Trump’s victory made it critical to move more quickly to assemble a team.
[…]
re: #648 prairiefire
Yep, alternative world view, WW be our guide! You still have your natural intelligence, I’ll be watching for your posts!
Thanks for your possibly-overstated support!
re: #661 Belafon
Good points, but does it do much if the bad guys don’t respond with violence. I do agree that, if the media will cover it, it forces an issue out in the open.
I’m also trying to respond to the idea that the protests are going to have a huge affect right now. I also can’t see the picture that is supposedly what the liberals are doing.
It’s an author using the Harry Potter houses and their associated qualities to talk to her followers (and I would guess here that they are predominantly female and in fandom, knowing Seanan) about how to cope with things moving forward.
re: #667 wrenchwench
Thanks for your possibly-overstated support!
I remember years ago when you got me straightened out over chemtrails, lol!😊
re: #668 klys (maker of Silmarils)
It’s an author using the Harry Potter houses and their associated qualities to talk to her followers (and I would guess here that they are predominantly female and in fandom, knowing Seanan) about how to cope with things moving forward.
Right — McGuire is a very popular and prolific author, and she actually has a friend who committed suicide because they were afraid they’d lose access to health care. So she’s trying to encourage her followers through pop culture references.
The people complaining about her doing this are awful people.
The Internet is forever.
We can’t let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012
Trump, after Obama’s re-election ——>>>> https://t.co/pOhu6NSz2o
— Robert Mann (@RTMannJr) November 11, 2016
Okay. Today is 8 miles. Fingers crossed.
re: #670 scottslemmons
I’ve followed her since before the first published book, so it’s been a long time.
There’s a lot of awful people on the Internet right now.
re: #671 lawhawk
The Internet is forever.
What he meant was that Republicans were in charge of the House but not the other two buildings. Such division.
re: #668 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #668 klys (maker of Silmarils)
It’s an author using the Harry Potter houses and their associated qualities to talk to her followers (and I would guess here that they are predominantly female and in fandom, knowing Seanan) about how to cope with things moving forward.
Thanks. Something the protestors aren’t doing, but we’re talking about: How to affect the next elections.
We need both.
re: #671 lawhawk
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012
And guess what, Trump had something to say about that too. https://t.co/yj3S17imOW
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 11, 2016
re: #675 Belafon
Thanks. Something the protestors aren’t doing, but we’re talking about: How to affect the next elections.
We need both.
It’s not even to that level of organization yet, although I think she agrees. She’s just trying to keep folks from giving in to despair. There are a lot of folks still in those stages of grief, especially those with concerns about how they’re going to keep their healthcare (which is vital) or those threatened by his rhetoric against minorities.
@LordRasputin @edroso @Politics1com
Last week I called Ryan “the jellyfish leader of an insane asylum” but now I guess he’s just number 2.— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 11, 2016
re: #661 Belafon
The protesters are protesting in friendly environments. They’re not likely to get the crap kicked out of them in Boston, New York and Portland unless they do stupid shit.
re: #392 PhillyPretzel
Good Bye . I am very tired of the super simplistic answers such as #381. I have had it.
Philly has a point, this would be a good opportunity for Charles to clean house and block low temperature semi lurking trolls like Shropshire_Slasher, Compound Idaho, etc who never do anything but take away from the discussion here.
As all here are, I am still reeling. I’m thinking WTF do I do now? My future, likely immediately near future, has become entirely uncertain, leaving me paralyzed. Do I proceed as planned because who the fuck knows? Or do I sit and wait for who the fuck knows what? As a retiree who lives on a pension and SS - will I be stripped of income? As one who gratefully utilizes ACA, at least for another year (?) until I can qualify for Medicare - will it still be available to me?
Yeah, I’m whining and I know others are in much, much greater danger IF… if… if what?
The attacks on the society we have generally known can come from so many directions and now people we know who can’t be trusted for anything but their own enrichment and sick ideologies will soon have full rein. Or will they? Unless we are willing to concede the foundation of our country right now and just cry in our hankies while awaiting the great end, I am not convinced.
There is an opposition, a big one. It may even be bigger than we think even if only due to the greed of those whose evil intentions have been so loudly projected. Consider: those members of the House and Senate do have to consider re-election. It appears that Fox, Breitbart, and our Executive branch are now a single entity. Who is their demographic on both counts? Yeah we say “fuck ‘em, they deserve to have their safety net burned” (while fucking all the rest of us at the same time) but doing that cuts off the very source of wealth of those who would do the fucking. Are they really willing to do that to themselves? (I acknowledge the answer to that could be yes for many, but for all?)
Minorities and women are in great danger from blatantly unconstitutional threats. How far is the Robert’s court going to go to uphold those? How far will it go to overturn precedents and established law? I think not as far and not as fast as we fear. We’ve also seen great economic backlash, that has been pretty effective in a couple of cases, towards states that pass discriminatory laws. There is pushback and from very powerful interests. Again, will the greed of these assholes allow them to follow through on their deplorable promises?
I’m just throwing these thoughts out in an attempt to perhaps divert all this talk of armafuckinggeddon and despair of shit that has not happened yet. I know it’s stressing me out to the point where I’m going to have to back out of here just to maintain my sanity and health. We can’t go back and I’m not willing to just wallow in a hopeless pit.
re: #604 makeitstop
So, Trump refused to honor the media’s traditional ‘protective pool’ when he went to DC yesterday…
Another potential worry - what if this new administration just goes dark and starts arbitrarily taking away access?
Would any of these news organizations stand up to them?
One of Keith Olbermann’s “closure” vids put forth the theory that “Trump TV” has nothing to do with any post-candidacy profit-seeking venture — that it was intended as his own version of Official State TV. No other journalists have access to anybody in the administration, no press conferences, no credentials, nothing. And if any newspaper or radio or TV station makes too much fuss about it, objects to loudly, maybe they lose their FCC license, maybe their website gets shut down.
Why shouldn’t we expect Putin’s Puppet to do exactly what Putin would do?
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