Sunday Night Fusion: The Funky Knuckles, “Me Too”

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These guys remind me of the Brecker Brothers. Seriously excellent.

This Funky Knuckles song “Me Too” from their latest record “New Birth”.

Grab “New Birth” on iTunes: http://smarturl.it/FunkyNew_iTu

Scoop up a physical copy: http://bit.ly/29mmsC7

Wes Stephenson - bass
Cedric Moore - composer/drums
Caleb Sean McCampbell - keyboards
Frank Moka - percussion
Phill Aelony - guitar
Ben Bohorquez - saxophone
Evan Weiss - trumpet
This movie was made possible because of the hard work all of these people put in. Thank you!!
Andy LaViolette - director of photography
Ben Bohorquez - director/editor
Andrew Conway - camera operator
Julie Garcia - camera operator
Jason Hess - camera operator
Andy LaViolette - camera operator
Chad Windham - camera operator
Tye Robinson - audio engineer
John “Bear” Arispe - mixing engineer
Recorded at January Sound Studio on July 7th, 2016.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:25:59pm

Coach style chat with the team if I may a sec.
Okay look. It’s a tough time. Yes fuck 2016. But—-January 1st it’s 2017. By January 21st we must have our shit together. Find a way. Call a friend. Help a friend get there, just because we must. Some of us have strength, impossible to depress. Some of us have serious writing skills. Some of us might have some resources like a little money, some connections to power, some ability to record or edit or pull a rally together. Support one another so we can #Resist

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teleskiguy  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:27:24pm

Heh, went right over his head. I wonder if JoeWalshFreedom knows who the cool Joe Walsh is.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:34:10pm

Posted downstairs, didn’t want it to get missed…

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“…A radical change to that system is now coming — and it looks like one that Vladi­mir Putin and Qatar’s emir might well admire. An amendment quietly inserted into the annual National Defense Authorization Act by Republican House leaders would abolish the broadcasting board and place VOA, RFE/RL and other international news and information operations under the direct control of a chief executive appointed by the president. The new executive would hire and fire senior media personnel and manage their budgets…”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:36:10pm
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makeitstop  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:38:42pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

Heh, went right over his head. I wonder if JoeWalshFreedom knows who the cool Joe Walsh is.

He should. He stole Joe’s ‘Walk Away’ and used it as his campaign song, until Joe’s lawyer told him to knock it off in a hilarious manner.

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Lidane  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:41:20pm
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Interior = Oil & Gas
Energy = Nukes.

We’re fucking doomed if Trump is stupid enough to put Rick Perry in charge of the nuclear arsenal.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:57:43pm

re: #6 Lidane

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Interior = Oil & Gas
Energy = Nukes.

We’re fucking doomed if Trump is stupid enough to put Rick Perry in charge of the nuclear arsenal.

Perry—
Degree in Animal Science
Ag Commissioner
Lt. Gov.
Gov.
Intelligent Design/pray away droughts believer
Dancing with the Stars alum

Yep—sounds like the perfect choice
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:58:23pm

Regarding Graham and the few Republican politicians calling for an investigation into Russia fucking with our election, I would be heartened by that news except that the past has taught me that the only reason Republicans express an interest in something that Democrats do is so they can embrace and extinguish it. IMO they are probably pissed off that Trump won’t play the game and give himself some cover from criticism.

Don’t count on Republicans for a damned thing other than a knife in the back.

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teleskiguy  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:59:20pm
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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:00:29pm

re: #8 Odie Hugh Manatee

Regarding Graham and the few Republican politicians calling for an investigation into Russia fucking with our election, I would be heartened by that news except that the past has taught me that the only reason Republicans express an interest in something that Democrats do is so they can embrace and extinguish it. IMO they are probably pissed off that Trump won’t play the game and give himself some cover from criticism.

Don’t count on Republicans for a damned thing other than a knife in the back.

Particularly Graham and McCain. They havechampioned and then abandoned causes many, many times.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:01:40pm

HT to Wanda Larrier who fights the good fight on FB and just might be lurking here.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:02:30pm
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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:04:32pm

Great track! I added GroundUpMusicNYC to my YouTube follows.

Love the bass player’s expressions. He’s working hard!

Now groovin’ to some Brecker Brothers on Google Play.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:05:34pm

Fuck it, I quit.

Facebook Post

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retired cynic  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:07:01pm

re: #14 Timothy Watson

Fuck it, I quit.

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And Obama did it to influence the election in favor of DT, because reasons?

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Timothy Watson  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:09:12pm

re: #15 retired cynic

And Obama did it to influence the election in favor of DT, because reasons?

So he can declare martial law, something something…

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Timothy Watson  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:10:25pm

re: #14 Timothy Watson

I forgot to mention, but Shaun Kenney is the former Executive Director of the Republican Party of Virginia too.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:12:08pm

re: #7 BeachDem

Perry—
Degree in Animal Science
Ag Commissioner
Lt. Gov.
Gov.
Intelligent Design/pray away droughts believer
Dancing with the Stars alum

Yep—sounds like the perfect choice
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Trump’s bench is thin

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:13:21pm

re: #14 Timothy Watson

That asshole is a big part of why our Iraq intel was wrong fixed.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:15:11pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

Teen Vogue >>> Everyone but the WaPo

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:17:15pm

re: #14 Timothy Watson

Fuck it, I quit.

It’s not even fact-free or post-truth… it’s fucking mirror-speak with these creeps.

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teleskiguy  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:17:18pm

Havana Ted on Twitter has undergone a makeover. He’s now @Calgary_Cruz.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:17:21pm

re: #18 Stanley Sea

Trump’s bench is thin

As is his hair…and his grasp on reality.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:31:03pm

Maneuvering a new reality for US journalism

When Donald Trump ditched his press pool twice within days of being elected, and launched a series of Twitter attacks on The New York Times, a lot of you sounded surprised. As if you expected him to become a different person once the anointing oil of the Electoral College had touched his brow. Of course there was nothing surprising about his conduct. Rule number 1 of surviving autocracy, as Masha Gessen reminds us, is “Believe the Autocrat.”…

The challenge is to maintain a tough, independent, journalistic politics, a politics of accountability, equity and the rule of law without straightforwardly aligning with the partisan opposition…This is a tough line to walk, because people on both sides of the political divide actually want you to fail at it. But it is among your most important tasks.
cjr.org

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Alyosha  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:32:26pm

JFC!

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THAT’S AWESOME!!
Eriovixia Gryffindori haha!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:39:53pm
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Anymouse  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:42:05pm

OT: Always check the Mapquest or Google Maps printout if you rely on that for instructions to get where you’re going.

My wife and I arrived in the Sacramento area a day early (by the way, who ordered up a fifty-mile traffic jam in the Sierras).

Diligently following the printed instructions to our motel in West Sacramento, we arrived at the police department in Sacramento.

Turns out the address for the motel in West Sacramento, even though it was correctly entered, generates a map to the police department in Sacramento.

Having never been to California, and some sixteen miles away from where we were supposed to be, we wound up driving around for some time until we got where we were supposed to be going.

The instructions went awry where they had us get on Interstate 5 south. The correct instructions would have had us stay on Interstate 80.

And dayum, Interstate 80 in this area is wide enough to land a 747 on.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:45:31pm

re: #27 Anymouse

And if you arrive at the wrong time of day, you’ll have plenty of time to sit on 80 and contemplate its size.

Traffic in CA can be no joke.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:46:42pm

TruthFeed: British Diplomat “I’ve Met The Wikileaks Informant and They’re NOT Russian”

I have watched incredulous as the CIA’s blatant lie has grown and grown as a media story - blatant because the CIA has made no attempt whatsoever to substantiate it. There is no Russian involvement in the leaks of emails showing Clinton’s corruption. Yes this rubbish has been the lead today in the Washington Post in the US and the Guardian here, and was the lead item on the BBC main news. I suspect it is leading the American broadcasts also.

A little simple logic demolishes the CIA’s claims. The CIA claim they “know the individuals” involved. Yet under Obama the USA has been absolutely ruthless in its persecution of whistleblowers, and its pursuit of foreign hackers through extradition. We are supposed to believe that in the most vital instance imaginable, an attempt by a foreign power to destabilise a US election, even though the CIA knows who the individuals are, nobody is going to be arrested or extradited, or (if in Russia) made subject to yet more banking and other restrictions against Russian individuals? Plainly it stinks. The anonymous source claims of “We know who it was, it was the Russians” are beneath contempt.

As Julian Assange has made crystal clear, the leaks did not come from the Russians. As I have explained countless times, they are not hacks, they are insider leaks - there is a major difference between the two. And it should be said again and again, that if Hillary Clinton had not connived with the DNC to fix the primary schedule to disadvantage Bernie, if she had not received advance notice of live debate questions to use against Bernie, if she had not accepted massive donations to the Clinton foundation and family members in return for foreign policy influence, if she had not failed to distance herself from some very weird and troubling people, then none of this would have happened.

Turns out this dude frequently apppears on good ol’ Alex Jones’s shows…….

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Targetpractice  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:50:36pm

re: #29 Eric The Fruit Bat

TruthFeed: British Diplomat “I’ve Met The Wikileaks Informant and They’re NOT Russian”

Turns out this dude frequently apppears on good ol’ Alex Jones’s shows…….

Basically, if the DNC had fixed the race so that Bernie would be nominated, then nobody would have leaked DNC emails to the press. Because we’re to believe that nobody would have worked to kneecap a Bernie Sanders presidential campaign and would it have been a clean campaign past the convention.

If you believe that shit, then you obviously still believe Santa is coming to bring you toys in two weeks for being a good little “progressive.”

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Anymouse  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:51:40pm

re: #28 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And if you arrive at the wrong time of day, you’ll have plenty of time to sit on 80 and contemplate its size.

Traffic in CA can be no joke.

Well, when we were in Truckee, my wife wanted to stop at a grocery store. I wondered about all the vegetables she bought (carrots, potatoes, a turnip, spices and herbs).

As we continued on I-80 into the Sierras, she whipped out a whetstone and started sharpening knives, then peeling vegetables in the car.

And then it hit: We are approaching Donner Summit. I said “Hell, no! I am not your dinner!”

Flipping into a rest area near the summit, I went screaming into the woods with my wife chasing after me with a machete. She was yelling, “But it’s for peeling bananas. What did you think I was going to use it for?” (::

(Story slightly changed for dramatic and comedic effect)

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teleskiguy  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:55:20pm

Best traffic video freakout ever produced thus far.

“Too Fast, Too Much”

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:57:54pm

Not surprised that Cernovich is another RW hack who favors Russia.

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He is saying we should “align” with Russia because they are strong and have nukes.to what end?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:02:26pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:04:09pm

re: #33 wheat-dogg

Not surprised that Cernovich is another RW hack who favors Russia.

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He is saying we should “align” with Russia because they are strong and have nukes.to what end?

Better question is what does Mike and other wingnuts see as “alignment” with Russia? And how would such be beneficial to the US? Does he think that Russian efforts to influence the elections of states bordering it, including a clandestine effort to poison a challenger to their preferred candidate, is something we should be supporting? How about Russia’s efforts to reinforce regimes that are favorable to Russian power, such as the efforts to put down rebellion in Syria by bombing civilian targets, is that something that the wingnuts say we should be supporting? “Alignment” is rather a moot point when the dictator you’re wanting us to cozy up to does not share power, he wields it to his own ends and his ends never intersect with our own.

Short but sweet: If you think Russia has any interest in stopping ISIS for any other reason than because they present a danger to Baby Assad, you’re fucking nuts.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:04:30pm

re: #33 wheat-dogg

Not surprised that Cernovich is another RW hack who favors Russia.

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He is saying we should “align” with Russia because they are strong and have nukes.to what end?

Cernovich’s pal Chuck C. Johnson is also enjoying his new Russian friends.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:05:07pm

re: #31 Anymouse

The Donner Party Comma is the comma that makes all the difference between “Let’s eat, Grandma!” and “Let’s eat Grandma!”

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teleskiguy  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:07:10pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Jayzuz fuckin’ shit on a stick. I mean, I knew UpChuck was an authoritarian at heart, it’s still a tad jolting seeing it so brazen. Such as the dreaded dark Trump years.

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teleskiguy  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:14:17pm

Calgary Cruz!

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Kragar  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:16:18pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:17:57pm

This is the theme song of the Trump years for sane people.

Paranoid Chant

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:21:27pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Cernovich’s pal Chuck C. Johnson is also enjoying his new Russian friends.

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I grew up in an America that deeply mistrusted the Soviet Union. Republicans and conservatives (which were not synonymous terms then) HATED Soviet Russia. Reagan did the Nixon thing and managed to normalize relations with the Soviets, and then Reaganites took credit for the collapse of USSR from within. Even so, there was still a tacit understanding by everyone in American politics that the Russia Federation was NOT our ally in any true sense of the word, any more than China is our ally. We’re antagonists, because our visions of the “world order” are entirely different from one another. With Putin in control, those antagonisms are not going away anytime soon.

Now, I am living in some kind of alternate universe in which Republicans and conservatives are now totally down with being allies of Russia, buddies even. Rage Furby and Cernovich are but two minor examples. Russia is no longer our great antagonist, but our greatest ally. WTF? How did that ever happen?

Why should we align with Russia? What could we possibly gain? If anything, we’d end up the losers.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:22:28pm

Irony and how it works

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:28:59pm

re: #42 wheat-dogg

The Russians haven’t committed the sin of electing either a black man or a woman to their highest office. Therefore, they aren’t weak.

I wish there was sarcasm.

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Targetpractice  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:31:37pm

See, here’s the thing: Bullies (which Trump and Putin both are) do not share power, they do not work together, they do not find common ground, or anything of the sort. They dominate, they enforce their will, and those they can’t intimidate they will use violence against. Bullies may make temporary alliances, but only when there is a mutual threat to both, and even then they never stop looking for a way to gain the upper hand over their “ally.”

So Trump and Putin may shake hands and act like they’re buddies, but that’s bullshit and they both know it. Putin has Trump by the balls and he will squeeze any time Don gets out of line and presents a danger to Russia’s interests. And it’s in Russia’s interests for us to “defeat” IS and any other group that springs up from it. Why? Because they present a threat to his vassal states in the Middle East. Plus the damage we’re going to do ourselves to that end, whether it be diplomatic, economic, or political further weakens our hand while strengthening his.

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Anymouse  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:35:13pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

Jayzuz fuckin’ shit on a stick. I mean, I knew UpChuck was an authoritarian at heart, it’s still a tad jolting seeing it so brazen. Such as the dreaded dark Trump years.

Remember though, it’s we liberals that are traitors to America and all the other crap shovelled at us ever since I became old enough to vote… .

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:37:14pm

re: #44 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The Russians haven’t committed the sin of electing either a black man or a woman to their highest office. Therefore, they aren’t weak.

I wish there was sarcasm.

The Russians are also (officially) very anti-gay, and both Rage Furby and Cernovich seem … uncomfortable … with LBGTQ matters.

These guys want an autocracy.

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Kragar  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:38:10pm
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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:43:34pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

Any alliance between Trump and Putin would not be between equals. Putin is both very intelligent and very ruthless. Trump would be like putty in his hands, and his pro-Russian advisors are not going to see through any Russian trickery, either.

FTM, most of the world’s other national leaders could mold Trump into whatever shape they like. Xi Jinping has been in local, regional and national government all of his adult life. His father was one of the founders of the PRC. Xi is also a chemical engineer. He probably regards Trump as an idiot, as well he should.

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Anymouse  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:00:58pm

re: #49 wheat-dogg

Any alliance between Trump and Putin would not be between equals. Putin is both very intelligent and very ruthless. Trump would be like putty in his hands, and his pro-Russian advisors are not going to see through any Russian trickery, either.

FTM, most of the world’s other national leaders could mold Trump into whatever shape they like. Xi Jinping has been in local, regional and national government all of his adult life. His father was one of the founders of the PRC. Xi is also a chemical engineer. He probably regards Trump as an idiot, as well he should.

And the Republicans are quite willing to follow Mr. Trump down that rabbit hole.

Will we have an independent nation when they are through with us?

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teleskiguy  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:02:37pm

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:03:40pm

Just about everything Trump says in this one little snippet is a lie. I know you are all surprised.

bbc.com

The One China policy has been in place for 40 years, following the normalization of relations with the PRC by Nixon and Kissinger. It was not undertaken lightly, and I am quite sure Trump knows shit about about the whys and wherefores behind it.

As for making a “deal” to maintain the policy, WTF? This kind of statement boggles the imagination. You don’t suggest to a major adversary, one with a yoooge army and nuclear weapons, that you intend to turn diplomatic relations into some kind of confidence game. This is coming from the same guy who was saying we should “surprise” ISIS and not advertise our troop movements in the area.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:08:25pm

re: #50 Anymouse

And the Republicans are quite willing to follow Mr. Trump down that rabbit hole.

Will we have an independent nation when they are through with us?

No.

If Trump and his Clown Car have their way, with the rubber stamping of the Republican Congress, America will become a shadow of its postwar self, no longer the primary bulwark against Russia and China across the world, but a willing participant (or enabler) of Russian and Chinese exploitation of every country they want. Trump’s dealmaking will sign away long-term strength for short-term gains.

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Anymouse  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:09:04pm

Wells Fargo, which has been advertising it will set things right with customer after millions of fraudulent accounts were set up in customers’ names, is now trying to force those customers into binding arbitration as noted in the boiler plate in their real account information.

wonkette.com

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Anymouse  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:09:54pm

re: #53 wheat-dogg

No.

If Trump and his Clown Car have their way, with the rubber stamping of the Republican Congress, America will become a shadow of its postwar self, no longer the primary bulwark against Russia and China across the world, but a willing participant (or enabler) of Russian and Chinese exploitation of every country they want. Trump’s dealmaking will sign away long-term strength for short-term gains his own.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:11:54pm

One of the commentariat at another blog I read:

. One question that keeps coming to my mind is WHY Jill Stein popped up at that RT anniversary dinner in Moscow sitting at the same table with both Putin and Flynn. I can’t any longer think it was mere coincidence. When she insisted on a recount of various states, that seemed a good thing - until she pitched a fit when the Clinton campaign joined in. I am too out of the loop to see the long game here, but I think there IS one. I just can’t suss it out.

Does Putin have anything, or is Jill just a useful idiot? Don’t answer that.

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electrotek  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:14:24pm

There goes their argument about Saudi Arabia when use it as a cudgel against Clinton when it comes to LGBT rights.

We all know how Russia is when it comes to homophobia, and this at the state and societal level: it is NOT friendly to LGBT groups at all. So how can they attack Clinton for its alleged donations from Saudi Arabia to the Clinton Foundation when they are openly embracing a nation that is known to be extremely hostile to homosexuality?

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:14:58pm
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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:16:22pm

re: #55 Anymouse

Yeah. I was thinking that as I typed it. Trump would sign away our Navy’s right of passage through the South China Sea to benefit one of his real estate deals. I have no doubts.

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Alyosha  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:19:20pm

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:20:33pm

More happy global warming news.

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Squid and chips just doesn’t appeal to me, tyvm.

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electrotek  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:21:43pm

Another intellectual coward:

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:26:23pm

re: #62 electrotek

Another intellectual coward:

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I had great hopes for her, given her pro-democratic efforts of the past. But she’s only paid lip service to ending the oppression of the Rohingya. Either she’s a total sell-out or a total liar.

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electrotek  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:30:44pm

re: #63 wheat-dogg

She’s a coward. She won’t stand up to the tyranny of the majority.

She’s so afraid to anger her Buddhist base because the Rohingya are deeply hated in that sorry excuse of a country.

Obama made a huge mistake lifting sanctions on that country; it should have doubled down on sanctions until they stop persecuting them.

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Targetpractice  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:31:04pm

re: #52 wheat-dogg

Just about everything Trump says in this one little snippet is a lie. I know you are all surprised.

bbc.com

The One China policy has been in place for 40 years, following the normalization of relations with the PRC by Nixon and Kissinger. It was not undertaken lightly, and I am quite sure Trump knows shit about about the whys and wherefores behind it.

As for making a “deal” to maintain the policy, WTF? This kind of statement boggles the imagination. You don’t suggest to a major adversary, one with a yoooge army and nuclear weapons, that you intend to turn diplomatic relations into some kind of confidence game. This is coming from the same guy who was saying we should “surprise” ISIS and not advertise our troop movements in the area.

It makes perfect sense if you assume that Putin is pulling his strings. A trade war between the US and China only helps Russia by creating a ready market for Chinese goods, as well as offering them a wealth of energy resources from Russia’s own supplies. Plus Putin could make entreaties to our regional allies, hurting their confidence in us and possibly turning local opinion against us. If Trump provokes a shooting war, then our allies find themselves in danger of Chinese aggression. If he abandons Taiwan to Beijing, then our allies begin to question if they can really count on our help when Beijing starts moving into their waters.

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Anymouse  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:31:10pm

John Bolton implies The Obama Administration could be behind election hacks.

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Don’t these guys ever give up? I am rapidly becoming convinced “conservative” is merely a synonym for “authoritarian.” In all my adult life I have never seen an example of “conservative” that didn’t like himself a heaping portion of authoritarianism.

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Alyosha  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:32:05pm
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It says ‘fun game’ but I’ve been playing it for weeks and it’s soul-sapping to say the least.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:35:43pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

It makes perfect sense if you assume that Putin is pulling his strings. A trade war between the US and China only helps Russia by creating a ready market for Chinese goods, as well as offering them a wealth of energy resources from Russia’s own supplies. Plus Putin could make entreaties to our regional allies, hurting their confidence in us and possibly turning local opinion against us. If Trump provokes a shooting war, then our allies find themselves in danger of Chinese aggression. If he abandons Taiwan to Beijing, then our allies begin to question if they can really count on our help when Beijing starts moving into their waters.

I agree with this analysis. China and Russia are barely on speaking terms, and Putin could easily play China against the USA with the cooperation of clueless Trump.

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Anymouse  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:36:31pm

Mr. Trump does not think we should be bound by a “one China” policy.
huffingtonpost.com

Someone slipped a Manchurian Candidate into the Republican Party, and its voters and leaders have eaten that up.

But somehow its liberals and Democrats that are anti-American.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:40:32pm

re: #66 Anymouse

John Bolton implies The Obama Administration could be behind election hacks.

huffingtonpost.com

Don’t these guys ever give up? I am rapidly becoming convinced “conservative” is merely a synonym for “authoritarian.” In all my adult life I have never seen an example of “conservative” that didn’t like himself a heaping portion of authoritarianism.

In the dim times of America history, there were such creatures as conservative democrats (small d), but from the 1950s onward, they have dwindled in numbers to a virtually non-existent species. Now, if you asked a conservative if they thought it would be better to make the presidency a lifetime appointment, they would probably agree — as long as it was one of theirs receiving the appointment.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:51:20pm

re: #69 Anymouse

Mr. Trump does not think we should be bound by a “one China” policy.
huffingtonpost.com

Someone slipped a Manchurian Candidate into the Republican Party, and its voters and leaders have eaten that up.

But somehow its liberals and Democrats that are anti-American.

Trump’s feeble mind cannot distinguish among political, economic and diplomatic agreements. He considers every agreement a “deal” with a winner and a loser. This kind of simplistic thinking will lead us into some really deep, deep trouble. As I said above, Xi Jinping is a very intelligent and canny man. Putin likewise is intelligent and even more ruthless than Xi. If Trump seriously thinks he can out-negotiate either of these guys, he’s got another thing coming.

If Trump were really as good a businessman and “dealmaker” as he says is, I would be more confident . In fact, Trump is a shitty businessman and nearly every deal he’s made, *he* has ended up the loser.

I’m trying to stay optimistic, but we may well witness the demise of the USA as a major player on the world stage within the next decade.

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Anymouse  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:54:55pm

Well, I am going to retire for the night. Tomorrow we go out to explore the raging hellhole Dumpster fire (as conservatives describe it) that is California.

G’night y’all.

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Targetpractice  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:56:11pm

re: #71 wheat-dogg

Trump’s feeble mind cannot distinguish among political, economic and diplomatic agreements. He considers every agreement a “deal” with a winner and a loser. This kind of simplistic thinking will lead us into some really deep, deep trouble. As I said above, Xi Jinping is a very intelligent and canny man. Putin likewise is intelligent and even more ruthless than Xi. If Trump seriously thinks he can out-negotiate either of these guys, he’s got another thing coming.

If Trump were really as good a businessman and “dealmaker” as he says is, I would be more confident . In fact, Trump is a shitty businessman and nearly every deal he’s made, *he* has ended up the loser.

I’m trying to stay optimistic, but we may well witness the demise of the USA as a major player on the world stage within the next decade.

Considering how badly he and the state of Indiana got rolled on the Carrier deal, I don’t imagine that his foreign policy can go any better and is likely to go far worse. How many “deals” is Putin going to sign with him where he struts around acting as if he won big when the final terms show that the US got screwed bigly? And as a debtor, you’d think he’d understand the last thing you want to do is play chicken with the banks, as he’s doing with China right now. They have numerous ways to fuck with our economy that he cannot reciprocate easily. And if he thinks that shaking our nukes at them is going to impress them, then he’s sadly mistaken.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:58:08pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

Considering how badly he and the state of Indiana got rolled on the Carrier deal, I don’t imagine that his foreign policy can go any better and is likely to go far worse. How many “deals” is Putin going to sign with him where he struts around acting as if he won big when the final terms show that the US got screwed bigly? And as a debtor, you’d think he’d understand the last thing you want to do is play chicken with the banks, as he’s doing with China right now. They have numerous ways to fuck with our economy that he cannot reciprocate easily. And if he thinks that shaking our nukes at them is going to impress them, then he’s sadly mistaken.

He’s a little boy walking around with a big gun he thinks he knows how to use.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:03:17am

re: #27 Anymouse

You may find this helpful.

CalTrans Quick Map

You can turn on layers like traffic cameras, traffic congestion, chain controls, CHP traffic incidents, lane closures & traffic advisories.

and CHP Computer Aided Dispatch

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:28:52am

You know, given the rumors about Trump’s troubles with Chinese banks and the debt he owes to them, I’m almost wondering if he’s trying to promote Taiwanese independence because there’s one or more Chinese banks telling Taipei to bar him from expanding his businesses there.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 12, 2016 • 12:41:30am

I was cruising to the store earlier and heard Hair Furor on ABC news radio. He was talking about not taking the PDB because he didn’t want to hear the same things over and over again every day “for the next eight years”. After he said it he sounded like he just realized what he said and reconfirmed it while sounding like he was patting himself on the back for his witty comment. What an arrogant fuck.

I already miss Obama.

ETA: re: #76 Targetpractice

You know, given the rumors about Trump’s troubles with Chinese banks and the debt he owes to them, I’m almost wondering if he’s trying to promote Taiwanese independence because there’s one or more Chinese banks telling Taipei to bar him from expanding his businesses there.

I wonder if he’s wanting to fight with the Chinese to give himself an excuse to not pay his bills.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:09:05am

re: #76 Targetpractice

You know, given the rumors about Trump’s troubles with Chinese banks and the debt he owes to them, I’m almost wondering if he’s trying to promote Taiwanese independence because there’s one or more Chinese banks telling Taipei to bar him from expanding his businesses there.

The People’s Bank of China, which essentially a state-owned bank, is one of the lenders of $950 million to Trump for an office tower on Avenue of the Americas in Manhattan. nytimes.com

While the PBOC has offices in Taiwan, it has little political leverage there, since Taiwan’s banking system is independent of the mainland’s. OTOH, bankers on both sides of the Taiwan Strait probably talk to each other a lot, and the PBOC could be advising their Taiwanese colleagues that Trump is a serious credit risk. I can believe that.

If Beijing were telling the Taiwan government to bar Trump from doing business there, Taiwan would just tell them to shove off, especially with Tsai in office now.

Frankly, I think Trump is trying to use the One China Policy as a bargaining chip for trade concessions, or military concessions, or something. Everything he says in that BBC clip is sheer bullshit. He speaks as if the OCP were imposed by China on the USA, when in fact it was a joint agreement involving the USA and the mainland.

The position of the United States, as clarified in the China/Taiwan: Evolution of the “One China” Policy report of the Congressional Research Service (date: July 9, 2007) is summed up in five points:

The United States did not explicitly state the sovereign status of Taiwan in the three US-PRC Joint Communiques of 1972, 1979, and 1982.
The United States “acknowledged” the “One China” position of both sides of the Taiwan Strait.
US policy has not recognized the PRC’s sovereignty over Taiwan;
US policy has not recognized Taiwan as a sovereign country; and
US policy has considered Taiwan’s status as undetermined. U.S. policy has considered Taiwan’s status as unsettled.

en.wikipedia.org

He’s lying about there being no tariffs on Chinese goods coming into the USA, and hefty tariffs on American goods coming into China. politifact.com

The devaluation nonsense suggests that China is punishing the USA specifically, which is untrue. China devalued the yuan rather sharply at the beginning of this year, but later pledged to restrict its value against world markets as the country endeavored to make the yuan a reserve currency. Trump is also ignoring the growing strength of the dollar against other currencies, including the yuan.

The “massive fortress” in the South China Sea is an airstrip and refueling station for ships, studded with radar systems. It’s a concern, to be sure, but not a serious military threat.

China has agreed to additional sanctions against North Korea, following Kim’s continued nuclear and missile tests. Despite what Trump says, China is trying to control North Korea — for its own reasons, to be sure — but it is not giving Kim free rein as Trump suggests.

He is so hopelessly misinformed, or convinced of his own unerring truth, that I was momentarily left speechless watching that clip.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:19:29am

Primary rule when listening to Donald Trump: Presume everything he says is either a deliberate lie, or just plain false, and work from there.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:27:34am

Here is a very clear analysis of China’s currency valuation process from June, from the radical leftist publication, US News & World Report. It basically pokes several holes in Trump’s currency manipulation balloon.

usnews.com

For the Chinese, however, it must be particularly galling to hear accusations of currency manipulation since, succumbing to pressure from Western countries, they have already massively appreciated their currency since 2005.

Since June 2005, following more than a decade of a fixed exchange rate of 8.27 yuan per dollar (when it was indeed clearly undervalued) the Chinese have gradually appreciated their currency to as high as 6.1 RMB per dollar in 2015.

The exchange rate is currently 6.916 to the dollar, but that also reflects the strength of the dollar, not just efforts by China to devalue the yuan.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:30:47am

re: #79 wheat-dogg

I’ve been saying that same thing about Republicans since 1972 and I have never been proven wrong.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:33:34am

re: #81 Single-handed sailor

I’ve been saying that same thing about Republicans since 1972 and I have never been wrong.

I suspect most of the GOP realize they are lying. Trump, OTOH, has no connection to reality. He says whatever he believes to be true at that particular moment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:37:09am

re: #7 BeachDem

Perry—
Degree in Animal Science
Ag Commissioner
Lt. Gov.
Gov.
Intelligent Design/pray away droughts believer
Dancing with the Stars alum

Yep—sounds like the perfect choice
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Editing hint: remove sarc tags and simply add “the perfect choice for the Trump administration”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:40:18am

re: #82 wheat-dogg

I suspect most of the GOP realize they are lying. Trump, OTOH, has no connection to reality. He says whatever he believes to be true his audiences want to hear at that particular moment.

FTFY

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freetoken  Dec 12, 2016 • 1:49:44am

Delius - 3 Small Tone Poems: Spring Morning - Part 3/3

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:11:00am

re: #68 wheat-dogg

I agree with this analysis. China and Russia are barely on speaking terms, and Putin could easily play China against the USA with the cooperation of clueless Trump.

“Let’s you and him fight.”

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:13:29am
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:17:48am

The Expanse season 2 premiers February 8, 2017, woohoo.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:31:49am
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sagehen  Dec 12, 2016 • 2:34:02am

re: #79 wheat-dogg

Primary rule when listening to Donald Trump: Presume everything he says is either a deliberate lie, or just plain false, and work from there.

Does he know enough to deliberately lie, or is he just making it up as he goes along?

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freetoken  Dec 12, 2016 • 3:25:23am

Finished viewing the last episode of season 1 of 3%, which on the whole I found intriguing, though it also has some weaknesses (I think the plot got a bit lost in the middle of the series.)

Yet more telling are the ratings and “reviews” on IMDB:

imdb.com

For my age group there is a significant difference between male and female viewers. Because it has a bit of a feel of a soap-opera perhaps it appeals to female viewers more, as the substance of the show deals more with relationships than plot.

It should be watched in the original language, and a couple of the bad reviews suggest it was the English dubbed version which gave them problems.

Anyway, the premise and plot have a certain Randian, and even Trumpian (except in one important difference) elemental character.

The question is: what makes one deserving of the good things in life? Is there some inherent quality in some individuals that makes them more deserving than others?

One disgruntled reviewer writes:

… this is some p.c.-stuff disguised as a sci-fi-story …

Besides my quick dismissal of anyone who complains about “p.c.”, the reviewer (who only claims to have watched the first episode) misses the more subtle social commentary, perhaps because the more obvious social commentary is so strongly put forward in the show. The portrayal (through the entire 8 episodes) is, as one one reviewer put it, more Lord Of The Flies as overall the view of humanity in the show is pretty ambivalent about whether one group of people are better than another.

And here is what gets me back to why I think this show is appropriate in the Trump epoch - it’s dystopian but freely passes out the blame to everyone. There are no real knights in shining armor, and I think that may bother more of the disgruntled viewers than any of the commenters at IMDB have been willing to confess.

Substantially, it is my assertion, the election of Trump is the result of a society that is turning very cynical after the loss of their cherished beliefs. We are not (yet) in a physical dystopia, but there is an existential malaise that affects our society, and that is what is making the harvest ripe for the conmen.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 3:34:21am

re: #90 sagehen

Does he know enough to deliberately lie, or is he just making it up as he goes along?

I’m going with the latter. He’s not a reader, has a short attention span, only interested in stuff that interests him personally (such as news about himself). He remembers what the last person who spoke to him said. So, if Flunky A said, “If the president of Taiwan calls, talk to her, but don’t tell anyone,” and Flunky B said, “If the president of Taiwan calls, it’s OK to talk to her,” Trump would follow B’s advice, not remembering A’s.

OTOH, he tends to remember things that were true several months or years ago, but are no longer. For example, China’s devaluation of its currency, which was a big thing in 2015, but not so much now. He forgets (conveniently? who can say?) that China is now a member of the WTO and has to abide by tariff agreements, and the IMF has accepted the yuan as a candidate for a world reserve currency, which means China can’t devalue the yuan outside certain parameters.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 3:40:48am

So, here’s a completely random Twitter follower.

Alfons López Tena
@alfonslopeztena
Nat a Sagunt. Notari. Vocal del Consejo General del Poder Judicial 2001-2008. Diputat al Parlament 2010-2012. TWT & RT= Praise, Shame, or Notice.
Catalunya * facebook.com

I’ve never been to Catalonia, though I want to go, and never tweeted anything remotely related to it, or the Spanish parliament. So, I’m bemused.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 3:59:10am

WaPo reports that Trump’s remarks about the One China Policy to Fox News not only ticked off Beijing, but also Taipei. Seems Taiwan doesn’t take kindly to being used as a bargaining chip.

washingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:03:14am

re: #90 sagehen

Does he know enough to deliberately lie, or is he just making it up as he goes along?

He just says what he thinks the person or people want to hear. That is how one concludes a business deal.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:06:09am

Well, one more thing to worry about: Trump’s WH counsel, who seems likely to let Donnie extend executive privilege.

nytimes.com

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:16:19am

re: #33 wheat-dogg

Not surprised that Cernovich is another RW hack who favors Russia.

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He is saying we should “align” with Russia because they are strong and have nukes.to what end?

So accusing a pres (or pres elect) is off the rails now? But accusing Obama of being affiliated with Muslim Brotherhood, or ISIS to destroy America,with not a fucking shred of evidence, was just fine and dandy?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:18:30am

re: #58 Sherlock Hound

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Wonder who Putin will select for this appointment? Seems like a job for Alex Jones.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:19:00am

Former CIA man talks to The Guardian about Trump and Russia.
theguardian.com

Carle, the retired CIA officer, said Trump’s temperament had played into Russia’s hands and put the president-elect on a collision course with the CIA.

He said: “Look, in my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself.

“He is about the juiciest intelligence target an intelligence office could imagine. He groans with vulnerabilities. He will only work with individuals or entities that agree with him and build him up, and he is a shockingly easy intelligence ‘target’ to manipulate.”

Were Trump an intelligence officer himself, Carle said, “he would be removed and possibly charged with having accepted the clandestine support of a hostile power to the harm of the United States”.

Emphasis mine.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:52:49am

Judge Ducklips wants that SCOTUS gig

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Lidane  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:04:39am

ICYMI this is an amazing thread:

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:10:07am

re: #102 Lidane

ICYMI this is an amazing thread:

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There is a storified version, too. storify.com

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:22:57am

It’s awake.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:23:25am
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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:31:36am

Well, this will cheer the hearts of all those defense contractors, I’m sure.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:35:04am

re: #106 wheat-dogg

Well, this will cheer the hearts of all those defense contractors, I’m sure.

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Well, Holy Fucking Christ, the first thing I agree with Donald Trump on.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:35:30am

re: #106 wheat-dogg

Well, this will cheer the hearts of all those defense contractors, I’m sure.

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THERE ARE SPARE PARTS LYING AROUND EVERYWHERE!!! JUST TAKE THEM FROM AIRPLANES THAT ARE GROUNDED!!!!!!!

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:39:21am

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

THERE ARE SPARE PARTS LYING AROUND EVERYWHERE!!! JUST TAKE THEM FROM AIRPLANES THAT ARE GROUNDED!!!!!!!

Maybe we can just lease fighters from the Russian air force. ///

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:40:02am
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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:43:15am

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

THERE ARE SPARE PARTS LYING AROUND EVERYWHERE!!! JUST TAKE THEM FROM AIRPLANES THAT ARE GROUNDED!!!!!!!

I AM GOING TO MAKE THE B-1 LANCER GREAT AGAIN!1!!

B-1 Lancers at Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (“The Boneyard”).
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:45:00am
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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:47:10am

Jesus Christ!!! He did it again!

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:47:10am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

Bingo.

The PEOTUS and Co. probably shorted shares prior to his tweet.

Y’know, sooner or later the SEC is going to catch on.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:50:31am

re: #114 wheat-dogg

Bingo.

The PEOTUS and Co. probably shorted shares prior to his tweet.

Y’know, sooner or later the SEC is going to catch on.

Not when Trump packs it with his stooges.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:51:41am

re: #115 Joe Bacon

Not when Trump packs it with his stooges.

Yeah, but shareholders can afford good lawyers, too.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:53:55am

re: #116 wheat-dogg

Yeah, but shareholders can afford good lawyers, too.

Hopefully they don’t wind up in a court with a Federalist Society stooge in the Judge’s chair…

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jeffreyw  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:53:58am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:54:24am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

If President Obama had said that the Russians had hacked the RNC, the Democrats have come out and said it needs to stop, unlike McConnell who told Obama it would be treated as an attack on the Republicans.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:56:03am

re: #118 jeffreyw

Mmmmm. Bacon! (And French toast!)

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:12:17am

Propane Jane’s psychological evaluation of PEOTUS mental health

She is a mental health professional so she can be taken seriously.

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Jayleia  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:19:47am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:24:21am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

Can you imagine if the election results were the opposite and WE tried to play the Russia/CIA card. It would be called conspiracy theory!

— Donald J. Trump

You spent months telling us the election was rigged. Now that there’s actual evidence you’re like, meh, never mind?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:24:58am

re: #119 Belafon

If President Obama had said that the Russians had hacked the RNC, the Democrats have come out and said it needs to stop, unlike McConnell who told Obama it would be treated as an attack on the Republicans.

I hate the thought that Obama let McConnell bully him like that.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:27:12am

re: #104 wheat-dogg

Unless you catch “hackers” in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking. Why wasn’t this brought up before election?
— Donald J. Trump

Donald Trump, intelligence operations and information systems expert.

Also, this seem to bug him. So everyone should stop talking about it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:27:27am

Coffee thoughts-Given the existence of the Electoral College, why do we call Trump the President elect before they vote? He should be called the “minority suggested President” until the EC votes.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:31:02am

re: #3 FormerDirtDart

Who didn’t see that coming?

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:31:16am

re: #124 Sir John Barron

I hate the thought that Obama let McConnell bully him like that.

I think Obama was worried about it being seen as him helping Clinton, which is why he wanted both parties to do it.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:32:53am

re: #124 Sir John Barron

I hate the thought that Obama let McConnell bully him like that.

I think Obama is biding his time, building a case.

See, birth certificate. I’m still confident that my president is going about this the right way.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:34:13am

re: #129 makeitstop

I think Obama is biding his time, building a case.

See, birth certificate. I’m still confident that my president is going about this the right way.

Drop the bomb either before the EC votes - if possible - or three or four days before the inauguration.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:35:46am

re: #126 Unshaken Defiance

Coffee thoughts-Given the existence of the Electoral College, why do we call Trump the President elect before they vote? He should be called the “minority suggested President” until the EC votes.

Usurper was once a common reference. //

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:39:42am

Anti Muslim/ aka hate crime again- Muslim man stabbed leaving a Mosque in Simi Valley. Donald trumps “stop it” seems rather ineffective. Sad. Weak guy right?
abc7.com

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. (KABC) — A man was arrested for hate crimes in Simi Valley after authorities said he confronted worshippers leaving a mosque and stabbed someone Saturday evening.

Police are also looking for a second suspect who also may have been involved in the incident.

Simi Valley police said they responded to the rear of a shopping center in the 1800 block of Erringer Road at about 11:15 p.m.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:40:38am

GOP Plan to “replace” the ACA:
Die quickly and be rid of the surplus population

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:47:23am
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:51:56am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

GOP Plan to “replace” the ACA:
Die quickly and be rid of the surplus population

She voted for Trump because she hopes he will fix the problem. She heard about what they did over in Arkansas and wishes Texas would do something like it.

How do you convince someone like this that Trump is not going to fix it, and he’s not going to make Texas fix it, that all he will do is break states like Arkansas?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:54:16am

re: #135 Belafon

How do you convince someone like this that Trump is not going to fix it, and he’s not going to make Texas fix it, that all he will do is break states like Arkansas?

People like this will convince themselves that they do not “deserve” health care, that they are “unworthy” and it is their own fault for not “working harder” to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. This is what the GOP (Ryan) tells them.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:56:09am

Whenever we protest Trump, bring Russian flags.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:56:19am

re: #117 Joe Bacon

Hopefully they don’t wind up in a court with a Federalist Society stooge in the Judge’s chair…

They might as well fight it in an EU court.

half //

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:57:07am

re: #137 GlutenFreeJesus

Whenever we protest Trump, bring Russian flags.

And Soviet flags. Because why not.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:59:10am

re: #137 GlutenFreeJesus

Whenever we protest Trump, bring Russian flags.

Make sure you write “Trump’s flag” on it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:59:50am

re: #140 Belafon

I was thinking his frog-throat photo in upper left corner.

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Franklin  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:01:48am

re: #141 GlutenFreeJesus

I was thinking his frog-throat photo in upper left corner.

Or this for the holiday protests:

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:02:36am

re: #141 GlutenFreeJesus

I was thinking his frog-throat photo in upper left corner.

As long as you make sure it’s pointing out that it’s Trump’s flag, not yours. The misinformation that will be coming out of Fox and Trump will be fierce, so any efforts to confront it must be unambiguous.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:02:43am

re: #140 Belafon

Make sure you write “Trump’s flag” on it.

флаг Трампа

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:05:37am

re: #143 Belafon

As long as you make sure it’s pointing out that it’s Trump’s flag, not yours. The misinformation that will be coming out of Fox and Trump will be fierce, so any efforts to confront it must be unambiguous.

Speaking of Fox, print out a screenshot of this as a flag.

Hannity’s True Colors

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:17:33am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:20:18am

My opinion is that the improved seeds caused the increase in cotton production. The slave torture was just for lulz.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:23:46am

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

My opinion is that the improved seeds caused the increase in cotton production. The slave torture was just for lulz.

Slavery allowed the wealthy to get wealthier without having to contribute themselves. To use a term I got from Adam Smith, they were rentiers. Today, the equivalent would be those whose earnings are entirely from capital gains.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:25:49am

Having fun with making up proverbs, so here’s one: Measuring a man’s worth by how much money he has is like measuring a car’s worth by how much money is trapped in the seats.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:33:42am

Latest news from Israel:

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Franklin  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:57:26am

Is this thing on? {tap tap tap}

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:57:35am

Everybody go back to bed or something? Too quiet in here.

Either that or VB’s donuts kilt the thread.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:58:11am

re: #152 makeitstop

Everybody go back to bed or something? Too quiet in here.

Either that or VB’s donuts kilt the thread.

too many negative waves, man…

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sagehen  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:08:26am

re: #152 makeitstop

Everybody go back to bed or something? Too quiet in here.

Either that or VB’s donuts kilt the thread.

It’s very cold. I have a lot of blankets.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:10:06am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

too many negative waves, man…

I’m feeling a strange sort of hope today.

We’re approaching critical mass with the Russia thing. Something is going to go down that no one is expecting. The silence from the White House and CIA is screaming at me for some reason.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:11:12am

re: #155 makeitstop

I’m feeling a strange sort of hope today.

We’re approaching critical mass with the Russia thing. Something is going to go down that no one is expecting. The silence from the White House and CIA is screaming at me for some reason.

Obama is very good at timing…let us be patient and see what he drops and at which point in time.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:14:01am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t think Obama is going to prevent Trump from becoming president. I do think Obama will release something that will do significant damage to Trump, and will make it easier for us to keep up pressure on Trump and Company. Implying that Russia owns the Republican party will be a good start because we can use that as a wedge between those conservatives that do care about this country (and there are many) and those that care only about their rule.

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Franklin  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:17:57am

What I DON’T think will happen is:

President Obama, the CIA and the rest of the Intelligence Community, advancing these allegations without rock-solid evidence. The reputation of the United States and the reputation of the 44th President is at stake.

EDIT: They may not release some/most of the evidence due to security concerns, but I believe they have/will base their allegations on a solid foundation.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:18:21am

re: #157 Belafon

I don’t think Obama is going to prevent Trump from becoming president. I do think Obama will release something that will do significant damage to Trump, and will make it easier for us to keep up pressure on Trump and Company. Implying that Russia owns the Republican party will be a good start because we can use that as a wedge between those conservatives that do care about this country (and there are many) and those that care only about their rule.

Agreed. President Trump is inevitable. But I think that Obama and the CIA will hobble the crap out of him first.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:24:51am

re: #158 Franklin

What I DON’T think will happen is:

President Obama, the CIA and the rest of the Intelligence Community, advancing these allegations without rock-solid evidence. The reputation of the United States and the reputation of the 44th President is at stake.

I think both Obama and the intel guys are going that exact route. To disregard caution on this would backfire horribly.

Obama knows better than to present a half-baked case.

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sagehen  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:28:38am

Odd that the people panicking about Jade Helm and tunnels under WalMart… don’t see any of this as a problem worth discussing.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:29:23am

re: #160 makeitstop

I think both Obama and the intel guys are going that exact route. To disregard caution on this would backfire horribly.

Obama knows better than to present a half-baked case.

So why release the general conclusions as they did then? To get Trump and other R’s on record before providing more info?

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:29:43am

Not to worry—with his fabulous son-in-law on board, there will be peace in the Middle East and other things (so all will be well by Tuesday?)

As for Kushner, Trump said: “I’d love to have Jared helping us on deals with other nations and see if we can do peace in the Middle East and other things.”

huffingtonpost.com

What a fucking simpleton he is.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:30:04am

re: #161 sagehen

Odd that the people panicking about Jade Helm and tunnels under WalMart… don’t see any of this as a problem worth discussing.

This, and this. And This some more.

And when you’re done, some more of This.

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A Cranky One  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:30:07am

So, hypothetical question:

The CIA gets intelligence that ISIS has declared Trump properties worldwide as primary targets.

How does a Trump administration handle such a threat?

Does Trump’s administration hide the threat from Trump?

Does the Trump administration warn people to stay away from those properties? This would cut into Trump’s profits, so that seems unlikely.

Do they blow off the intelligence, since they claim the CIA is incompetent?

Does Trump try to order the military to guard his properties? Don’t think too many governments would allow American military presence to guard private property.

Would Trump attempt to use overwhelming force (nuclear weapons) to try to stop ISIS? Or demand boots on the ground, putting American military lives in danger?

The scenario doesn’t seem that unlikely to me. And if it happens, the Trump administration response could land us in a war. Scary times.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:32:19am

re: #161 sagehen

Odd that the people panicking about Jade Helm and tunnels under WalMart… don’t see any of this as a problem worth discussing.

Also

The election is rigged, Obama is a super double secret agent of the Muslim Brotherhood Caliphate!

Now,

Lose popular vote by 2.5 mill, Russian hacking of one party’s emails, Putin-loving Exxon-Mobile guy for SoS. Everything’s good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:32:34am

Trump on McCain: “I prefer heroes who don’t get captured!”
McCain on Trump: “I prefer charlatans who don’t get caught!”

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:32:39am

re: #162 Sir John Barron

So why release the general conclusions as they did then? To get Trump and other R’s on record before providing more info?

Most of what has been released so far has been through leaks.

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scottslemmons  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:33:07am

re: #159 makeitstop

Agreed. President Trump is inevitable. But I think that Obama and the CIA will hobble the crap out of him first.

My happiest dream involves them releasing evidence of not just Trump’s collaboration with the Russians, but the rest of the GOP establishment’s schemes with the Russians, neo-Nazis, and Middle Eastern terrorist groups. In other words, I don’t just want Trump hobbled — I want the Republican Party curbstomped.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:34:45am

re: #169 scottslemmons

My happiest dream involves them releasing evidence of not just Trump’s collaboration with the Russians, but the rest of the GOP establishment’s schemes with the Russians, neo-Nazis, and Middle Eastern terrorist groups. In other words, I don’t just want Trump hobbled — I want the Republican Party curbstomped.

That is rather wishful thinking. Most of all, I want Trump’s disasters hung around the GOP’s neck, despite their best efforts to distance themselves from the candidate they nominated…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:36:12am

re: #165 A Cranky One

So, hypothetical question:

The CIA gets intelligence that ISIS has declared Trump properties worldwide as primary targets.

How does a Trump administration handle such a threat?

Does Trump’s administration hide the threat from Trump?

Does the Trump administration warn people to stay away from those properties? This would cut into Trump’s profits, so that seems unlikely.

Do they blow off the intelligence, since they claim the CIA is incompetent?

Does Trump try to order the military to guard his properties? Don’t think too many governments would allow American military presence to guard private property.

Would Trump attempt to use overwhelming force (nuclear weapons) to try to stop ISIS? Or demand boots on the ground, putting American military lives in danger?

The scenario doesn’t seem that unlikely to me. And if it happens, the Trump administration response could land us in a war. Scary times.

GOP Debate Trump flails when asked about nuclear triad

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:40:12am

He (Kushner) believes that by forgoing a salary and putting his own real estate holdings and the newspaper he owns, The New York Observer, into a blind trust, he could take a role in the administration.

How the fuck do you put a newspaper in a blind trust (or real estate holdings for that matter?)

Words have, apparently, lost all meaning.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:44:10am

re: #172 BeachDem

He (Kushner) believes that by forgoing a salary and putting his own real estate holdings and the newspaper he owns, The New York Observer, into a blind trust, he could take a role in the administration.

How the fuck do you put a newspaper in a blind trust (or real estate holdings for that matter?)

Words have, apparently, lost all meaning.

You just have to pretend you are blind (drunk) and trust them.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:44:13am

re: #165 A Cranky One

So, hypothetical question:

The CIA gets intelligence that ISIS has declared Trump properties worldwide as primary targets.

How does a Trump administration handle such a threat?

Does Trump’s administration hide the threat from Trump?

Does the Trump administration warn people to stay away from those properties? This would cut into Trump’s profits, so that seems unlikely.

Do they blow off the intelligence, since they claim the CIA is incompetent?

Does Trump try to order the military to guard his properties? Don’t think too many governments would allow American military presence to guard private property.

Would Trump attempt to use overwhelming force (nuclear weapons) to try to stop ISIS? Or demand boots on the ground, putting American military lives in danger?

The scenario doesn’t seem that unlikely to me. And if it happens, the Trump administration response could land us in a war. Scary times.

That’s not only hypothetical, it’s 110% plausible.

Trump’s properties (both his and those licensed to carry his name) are all sitting ducks. And he’s already blowing off intelligence briefings so that pattern is established to begin with.

Bullshit artists like Lumpy and Ducklips are already beginning to force the fascist narrative that “IF YOU DON’T SUPPORT THE TRUMP, YOU AREN’T UHMERICAN!!1!!!11!!!eleventy!!!”, so we know that they will publicly target and humiliate into submission any opponents to a vanity plate war, regardless of how absolutely unpopular it is from the get-go.

They’re already creating a breeding ground for a violent reaction nationwide, and simply don’t care that it literally could destroy the country irreparably.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:44:37am
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JasonA  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:45:22am

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

You just have to pretend you are blind (drunk) and trust them.

If you have to trust them then I don’t think it’s really a blind trust.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:47:15am

re: #162 Sir John Barron

So why release the general conclusions as they did then? To get Trump and other R’s on record before providing more info?

A shot across the bow, knowing full well that someone in the Trump cult will say or do something stupid (see Bolton’s ‘false flag’ bullshit).

Also, they know that Trump will continue to defend Russia and trash the intel commnity. Incriminating statements for the record. :)

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:48:18am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

What did he do? I can’t see the picture.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:48:47am

re: #178 Belafon

What did he do? I can’t see the picture.

Danced on a hoverboard.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:50:41am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

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Wow, there’s a visual metaphor for you - Steve Doocy literally propping up a Trump surrogate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:51:13am

PSA: IF YOU ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD, DO NOT SHOVEL SNOW.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:53:59am

Fuck me, today is full of surprises

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Bass Reeves  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:54:53am

ISIS doesn’t have any reason to attack Trump properties, and it would be strategically better for them to NOT do anything other than continue ‘operations’ as normal. Attacking Trump directly paints him as a geopolitically sympathetic figure. Letting him be a bull in the NATO shop provides a destabilizing influence that only furthers their ends. Y’know, like Russia.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:55:09am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck me, today is full of surprises

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Jesus H. Crackerjacks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:57:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:58:48am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

PSA: IF YOU ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD, DO NOT SHOVEL SNOW.

My dad shoveled away some 27” of snow after the Chicago Blizzard of 1967. He was 52.
He did not live to see his 53rd birthday.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:59:04am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:59:09am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck me, today is full of surprises

Speaking of roles, the former Texas governor, Rick Perry, who wanted to eliminate the Department of Energy but could not remember its name on live television, has emerged as a leading candidate for energy secretary.

Because why not.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:00:37am

re: #188 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Speaking of roles, the former Texas governor, Rick Perry, who wanted to eliminate the Department of Energy but could not remember its name on live television, has emerged as a leading candidate for energy secretary.

Then he will forget where he works, not show up and the Department can just shut down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:01:42am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:02:51am

re: #188 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Speaking of roles, the former Texas governor, Rick Perry, who wanted to eliminate the Department of Energy but could not remember its name on live television, has emerged as a leading candidate for energy secretary.

Because why not.

Trump running all out of middle fingers to give everyone.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:03:06am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Speaking of roles, the former Texas governor, Rick Perry, who wanted to eliminate the Department of Energy but could not remember its name on live television, has emerged as a leading candidate for energy secretary.

Then he will forget where he works, not show up and the Department can just shut down.

Shit, it’s as if they want ALL of these picks to be filibustered to hell with the intention of having no department heads whatsoever.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:04:21am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:04:23am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

NYT reporting that Fiorina might be up for Director of National Intelligence: nytimes.com pic.twitter.com
— Sopan Deb

LOL

Is she Putin-approved?

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JasonA  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:05:19am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck me, today is full of surprises

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Kind of a wet dream for those who want to see government fail so they can say “See how worthless government is!”

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A Cranky One  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:05:36am

re: #183 Bass Reeves

ISIS doesn’t have any reason to attack Trump properties, and it would be strategically better for them to NOT do anything other than continue ‘operations’ as normal. Attacking Trump directly paints him as a geopolitically sympathetic figure. Letting him be a bull in the NATO shop provides a destabilizing influence that only furthers their ends. Y’know, like Russia.

I disagree. Part of the “logic” behind terrorism is to get governments to over-react, turning citizens against their government. We see this in the responses to 9-11. Citizen’s start demanding the government protect them from future attacks. The government responds by creating a police state. Look at how the so-called Patriot act has played out. As soon as people started to realize the government could be spying on them, the backlash started.

And we all know that Trump would over-react, bigly, because it’s his interests that are being threatened. And that over-reaction could play to the terrorist’s advantage.

Heck, even the threat would result in Trump freaking out, even if no attacks are actually planned or executed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:09:02am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:12:04am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck me, today is full of surprises

Carly Fiorna as Director of National Intelligence?

J Jonah Jameson Laughing - Spiderman (HD version)

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:12:31am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder how much the Trump crime family made shorting defense stocks today?

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Bass Reeves  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:13:22am

re: #196 A Cranky One

I see where you’re coming from, and I would ordinarily agree. In this specific case, I would think an attack on “Trump properties” would be more of a galvanizing event than a destabilizing. Look at what we’ve seen of how Trump plans to govern and line his pockets. The one thing that would make him buckle down on ISIS is a threat to his bank accounts, imho. I can’t imagine anything that would make him pay more attention to the intel briefings other than them being about ISIS targeting his golf courses.

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:18:06am

re: #199 Skip Intro

I also wonder when the $1 million “donation” for Trump’s inauguration will be delivered by Lockheed.

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A Cranky One  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:19:15am

re: #200 Bass Reeves

I agree that it might result in Trump actually paying attention to the intelligence briefings, since it would involve his interests (the country’s best interest apparently isn’t enough). But given his disdain for the intelligence services, it’s hard to say.

Trump is dumb enough to respond in ways that are contrary to our nation’s best interests. That’s what scares me.

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Franklin  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:20:54am

re: #193 The Vicious Babushka

Would that Shaq be the Muslim Shaq? Or some other 7 foot tall Muslim basketball player with the same name?

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:23:30am

re: #203 Franklin

Would that Shaq be the Muslim Shaq? Or some other 7 foot tall Muslim basketball player with the same name?

Also has been a reserve police officer.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:27:18am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

We can see just how independent corporations are of the government. They aren’t.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:28:02am

She’s suing some people who said mean things about her on the Internet

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JasonA  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:28:03am

I have to say I’m impressed. While I did expect this to be really really bad, I was not expecting it to get so bad so quickly. Cheeto Benito works fast.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:30:12am

re: #104 wheat-dogg

It’s awake.

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Don tRump, cyber security master extraordinaire.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:31:46am

When Trump’s “opens up the libel laws” to shut down CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, & Washington Post, we will still have Teen Vogue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:33:59am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:36:04am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

She’s suing some people who said mean things about her on the Internet

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And she’s SMILING. Apparently she’s only happy when trying to fuck over other people.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:36:56am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

When Trump’s “opens up the libel laws” to shut down CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, & Washington Post, we will still have Teen Vogue.

Teen Vogue is doing the work that traditional media is terribly reluctant to do. That blows my mind.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:36:57am

re: #211 BeachDem

And she’s SMILING. Apparently she’s only happy when trying to fuck over other people.

That picture is not from the courthouse.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:38:25am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

She’s suing some people who said mean things about her on the Internet

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Allow me to rescind previous comments where I said that I hold some degree of pity for her.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:39:43am

re: #212 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Teen Vogue is doing the work that traditional media is terribly reluctant to do. That blows my mind.

I had a free subscription to Vogue at one time. I was enjoying reading it and thinking to myself “now why would Vogue send me a free subscription, I will never buy any of the clothes their anorexic models are wearing…” and then I happened to notice all the fragrance and cosmetic ads for stuff that I bought at Nordstrom.

Yep, Nordstrom sent me the Vogue subscription hoping that I would buy more non-clothes products at Nordstrom.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:40:10am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

That picture is not from the courthouse.

I know, but it was so appropriate.

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JasonA  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:40:11am

re: #214 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Allow me to rescind previous comments where I said that I hold some degree of pity for her.

I’ll allow it.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:42:44am

re: #207 JasonA

I have to say I’m impressed. While I did expect this to be really really bad, I was not expecting it to get so bad so quickly. Cheeto Benito works fast.

I one the YUUUGest election LANDSLIDE ever!

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:45:02am

West Virginia Official Who Called Michelle Obama ‘Ape In Heels’ Gets Her Job Back

But don’t you dare say anything about Melania!

huffingtonpost.com

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:50:00am

Man, McConnell’s got some set of balls for a fucking traitor.

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Kilroy was here  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:52:50am

Wow…

washingtonpost.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:54:29am

re: #221 Kilroy was here

Wow…

washingtonpost.com

So last week.

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calochortus  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:58:40am

Good morning, all. When I said the internet (or at least my internet) was having issues yesterday, I didn’t realize just how many issues. But it’s back and so am I. Have I missed anything in the last 22 hours?
No, on second thought, don’t tell me. Ignorance is bliss these days.

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JasonA  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:59:14am

re: #223 calochortus

Good morning, all. When I said the internet (or at least my internet) was having issues yesterday, I didn’t realize just how many issues. But it’s back and so am I. Have I missed anything in the last 22 hours?
No, on second thought, don’t tell me. Ignorance is bliss these days.

Take the blue pill.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:59:36am

Carter Page, still doing Putin’s work.

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Joe McCarthy must be doing about 9000 RPM in his grave right now.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:00:20am

re: #219 Skip Intro

West Virginia Official Who Called Michelle Obama ‘Ape In Heels’ Gets Her Job Back

But don’t you dare say anything about Melania!

huffingtonpost.com

Her job, for which the pre-requisite is a bachelor’s degree (she has a high school diploma)

Her job, for a private non-profit that relies on state and federal funding

Her job, in which she has been accused of taking funds, creating havoc and fighting with other employees, etc.

Yeah—she’s a real peach.

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scottslemmons  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:01:32am

re: #225 makeitstop

Carter Page, still doing Putin’s work.

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Joe McCarthy must be doing about 9000 RPM in his grave right now.

I was thinking just yesterday — wow, McCarthy really was right all along. He was just a half-century or so too early…

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:01:37am

Hey, look who has updinged the article. He lives!

Or he’s hacked.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:02:07am

Nice to have a semi-productive day at home for a change. Got a present for my son sorted out, finished arguing with the healthcare marketplace for next year (though I have no clue where I’m going to find the $53 a month for it) and have lunch started. Pot of rice in the cooker, some sliced up polska kielbasa with corn and green beans (had partial cans in the fridge to get used) simmering while the rice cooks. A nice lunch for a cold day like today.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:03:35am

re: #228 wrenchwench

Hey, look who has updinged the article. He lives!

Or he’s hacked.

Flying in stealth mode. :)

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:04:24am

re: #219 Skip Intro

West Virginia Official Who Called Michelle Obama ‘Ape In Heels’ Gets Her Job Back

But don’t you dare say anything about Melania!

huffingtonpost.com

Sad part is I’m not into shaming but the temptation to say something about the First Escort to some of these sleazeballs is quite high. Then again, an escort has higher morals and taste than any of those whining about Ms. Obama.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:04:40am

re: #220 makeitstop

McConnell just now in presser: “It defies belief that somehow Republicans…are reluctant to either review Russian tactics or ignore them.” pic.twitter.com

— Kyle Griffin

But you are. See, how easy that is.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:05:59am

This. Is. Fucking. Nuts.

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Bolton and Fiorina have both accused China of doing the Russian hacking.

Fuckers are gonna get us all killed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:06:35am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:06:53am

re: #233 makeitstop

This. Is. Fucking. Nuts.

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Bolton and Fiorina have both accused China of doing the Russian hacking.

Fuckers are gonna get us all killed.

So reckless.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:06:59am

re: #219 Skip Intro

West Virginia Official Who Called Michelle Obama ‘Ape In Heels’ Gets Her Job Back

But don’t you dare say anything about Melania!

huffingtonpost.com

I hadn’t realized she had only “stepped down temporarily”.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:07:26am

re: #225 makeitstop

Carter Page, still doing Putin’s work.

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Joe McCarthy must be doing about 9000 RPM in his grave right now.

We could probably power the entire Eastern seaboard with ol’ Tailgunner Joe’s spinning corpse.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:08:46am

re: #225 makeitstop

U.S. government might have deliberately orchestrated cyberattacks to make it look as though they were coming from Russia, Carter Page says.

— Ivan Nechepurenko

But Mitch McConnell sez were crazy to think he and his lovely party wouldn’t hold Russia responsible if Russia had indeed done the hacking.

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Kragar  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:08:56am
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calochortus  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:10:14am

re: #239 Kragar

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2 Questions:
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How fucking stupid does he think we are?

Very stupid and even stupider.
You’re welcome.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:10:37am

re: #239 Kragar

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Well he thinks we’re pretty effing stupid indeed. And he has some justification for that belief now given his victory in the Electoral College.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:11:35am

re: #239 Kragar

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:12:05am

re: #241 Sir John Barron

Well he thinks we’re pretty effing stupid indeed. And he has some justification for that belief now given his victory in the Electoral College.

I think I’m going to continue calling dRumpf the “Electoral College Winner”. I wonder if that would get under his goat at all?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:12:09am

re: #239 Kragar

A bazillion

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:13:01am

re: #233 makeitstop

This. Is. Fucking. Nuts.

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Bolton and Fiorina have both accused China of doing the Russian hacking.

Fuckers are gonna get us all killed.

China can do far more damage economically than with a thermonuclear weapon. They own too many assets here.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:13:02am

re: #239 Kragar

Unless you catch “hackers” in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking. Why wasn’t this brought up before election?

— Donald J. Trump

Do you mean all the times before the election when you complained the election was rigged?

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:13:22am

re: #239 Kragar

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Hey Donald, we already know you’re an uneducated idiot. You really don’t have to prove it with every tweet.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:13:23am

re: #243 Sir John Barron

I think I’m going to continue calling dRumpf the “Electoral College Winner”. I wonder if that would get under his goat at all?

The “Shyster-in-Chief”.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:13:33am

re: #239 Kragar

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Well he knows how dumb his base is.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:14:49am

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

The “Shyster-in-Chief”.

Thief-in-Chief.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:15:18am

re: #243 Sir John Barron

I think I’m going to continue calling dRumpf the “Electoral College Winner”. I wonder if that would get under his goat at all?

“The Trump Regime.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:15:37am

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

The “Shyster-in-Chief”.

THIEF IN CHIEF

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:16:40am

re: #225 makeitstop

Carter Page, still doing Putin’s work.

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Joe McCarthy must be doing about 9000 RPM in his grave right now.

The irony of the “McCarthy was right!” crowd now wrapping a bear hug around a KGB thug.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:17:35am

re: #239 Kragar

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:18:53am

I’ll be curious when his supporters start saying that 2+2=5. I’m going to ask them about it when I see them on Twitter.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:19:19am

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

The “Shyster-in-Chief”.

I’m thinking * President Trump.

Give him the asterisk that sports teams get when they achieve something under dubious circumstances.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:19:35am

re: #254 makeitstop

It was brought up. 13 times.

Trump can’t be expected to remember that, it was too long ago.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:19:59am
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A Cranky One  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:22:33am

re: #229 William Lewis

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:24:02am

On the provision that would disband the bipartisan board of the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the independent U.S. agency that includes Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia, and the Middle East Broadcast Networks

Up Next On Voice Of America/Trump TV: a very special holiday episode of Where In The Hell Is Yemen, Anyway?

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b.d.  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:26:34am
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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:29:52am

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:31:45am

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

The “Shyster-in-Chief”.

Executive Minority Leader.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:36:42am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:40:32am

The bizarre thing about the Trump camp’s defense is that they claim that the Russians are so good they wouldn’t leave a trace, so the only way you know for sure the Russians hacked is if there is no evidence that the Russians hacked, as was the case with Hillary’s server.

But….you have to catch them in the act of leaving no trace…..

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:43:53am

re: #265 Barefoot Grin

The bizarre thing about the Trump camp’s defense is that they claim that the Russians are so good they wouldn’t leave a trace, so the only way you know for sure the Russians hacked is if there is no evidence that the Russians hacked, as was the case with Hillary’s server.

But….you have to catch them in the act of leaving no trace…..

Just the fact that they’re instinctively defending Russia is nauseating.

MAGA indeed. (spit)

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:45:30am

re: #266 Sir John Barron

Just the fact that they’re instinctively defending Russia is nauseating.

MAGA indeed. (spit)

снова сделать большой Америки!

I hate these sons of bitches for doing this. Hate them.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:48:36am

re: #267 makeitstop

снова сделать большой Америки!

I hate these sons of bitches for doing this. Hate them.

Hmmm, I wonder what the Democratic candidate’s theme or line of attack is going to be in 2020? I guess the orange one isn’t thinking about that. Imagine if he gets his nomination of the Exxon guy through the Senate, then cancels the sanctions against Putin’s guys and does whatever else to appease Russia.

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mmmirele  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:49:23am

re: #54 Anymouse

Wells Fargo, which has been advertising it will set things right with customer after millions of fraudulent accounts were set up in customers’ names, is now trying to force those customers into binding arbitration as noted in the boiler plate in their real account information.

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I work for the evil too big to fail bank on the tech side and the people I’ve talked to (all techies, of no importance in the scale of things) think what the bank’s attorneys are trying to do here is crazy. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has made it clear that it favors arbitration. I personally don’t think WF should be able to use arbitration as a way to get out of a discussion of its frauds in a courtroom.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:49:30am

Have Trump or his people said anything the least bit critical of Putin/Russia in the past two years?

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:51:01am

re: #270 Sir John Barron

Have Trump or his people said anything the least bit critical of Putin/Russia in the past two years?

Nope, they’ve been all big smoochy kisses about how great it would be to be BFFs with Russia.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:53:11am

And here we go…

Hillary Clinton’s former campaign chairman and current adviser says that the campaign backs demands from 10 members of the Electoral College to receive an intelligence briefing on conclusions about whether foreign governments intervened in the election.

“The bipartisan electors’ letter raises very grave issues involving our national security,” John Podesta said in a statement Monday.”Electors have a solemn responsibility under the Constitution and we support their efforts to have their questions addressed.”

The letter posted on Medium Monday morning also said that the electors “will separately require from Donald Trump conclusive evidence that he and his staff and advisors did not accept Russian interference, or otherwise collaborate during the campaign, and conclusive disavowal and repudiation of such collaboration and interference going forward.”

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:57:44am

re: #272 makeitstop

Gotta love the USA Today’s framing: It’s not that the electors are demanding a briefing, it’s that Clinton is backing the elector’s demand for a briefing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:58:37am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

She’s suing some people who said mean things about her on the Internet

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TBF, it’s not just mean things. They didn’t just accuse her of whoring for Trump’s money. They accused her of being an ACTUAL whore.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:58:47am

re: #273 Belafon

Gotta love the USA Today’s framing: It’s not that the electors are demanding a briefing, it’s that Clinton is backing the elector’s demand for a briefing.

Which is part of the overarching theme that anything that has been brought up since last month has been nothing but a thinly veiled effort by the Clinton campaign to overturn the election results.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:59:01am

tre: #268 Sir John Barron

Hmmm, I wonder what the Democratic candidate’s theme or line of attack is going to be in 2020? I guess the orange one isn’t thinking about that. Imagine if he gets his nomination of the Exxon guy through the Senate, then cancels the sanctions against Putin’s guys and does whatever else to appease Russia.

Whatever it takes to keep Russia from releasing that Trump/hooker(s) blackmail tape…

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Kragar  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:00:31am
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JasonA  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:00:59am

Could really use some more of those Biden memes right about now.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:02:08am

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sagehen  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:02:40am

re: #276 GlutenFreeJesus

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Whatever it takes to keep Russia from releasing that Trump/hooker(s) blackmail tape…

Are we in agreement that the hooker looks like Ivanka?

Only question is — teenage? Or even younger?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:04:26am

re: #274 Blind Frog Belly White

TBF, it’s not just mean things. They didn’t just accuse her of whoring for Trump’s money. They accused her of being an ACTUAL whore.

They were just asking questions.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:04:48am

re: #280 sagehen

Are we in agreement that the hooker looks like Ivanka?

Only question is — teenage? Or even younger?

Do you think Melania would take it too well if Trump cheated with anyone? (I went and looked, and Trump had been well separated from his second wife before he got with Melania.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:05:33am

re: #280 sagehen

Are we in agreement that the hooker looks like Ivanka?

Only question is — teenage? Or even younger?

The only way Trump could be embarrased by this:

The “swallow” actually IS IVANKA.

The “swallow” is < 11 years old.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:06:21am

re: #272 makeitstop

And here we go…

Christopher Suprun from Texas is one of those ten electors… the same guy who wrote the NYT op-ed saying he would cast a vote for Kasich instead. (Now, he’s not sure, but it won’t be for either Hillary or Trump. YMMV.)

The others are slated to cast a vote for Hillary, including Christine Pelosi of California.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:06:51am

re: #282 Belafon

Do you think Melania would take it too well if Trump cheated with anyone? (I went and looked, and Trump had been well separated from his second wife before he got with Melania.)

What could she do about it if he did cheat? I am sure she has a pre-nup. “Boys will be boys” as she likes to say.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:07:32am

re: #282 Belafon

Do you think Melania would take it too well if Trump cheated with anyone? (I went and looked, and Trump had been well separated from his second wife before he got with Melania.)

What do you mean? Was he still married? Living together?

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allegro  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:08:45am

OT… someone’s mom is going to be mad at me I fear. Her freshly bathed little guy just did this…

eaten a pen, I did

I. Can’t.Stop.Laughing.

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sagehen  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:11:08am

re: #284 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Christopher Suprun from Texas is one of those ten electors… the same guy who wrote the NYT op-ed saying he would cast a vote for Kasich instead. (Now, he’s not sure, but it won’t be for either Hillary or Trump. YMMV.)

The others are slated to cast a vote for Hillary, including Christine Pelosi of California.

The California electors are all Democrats, no surprise they’re Clintonites.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:12:31am

re: #272 makeitstop

And here we go…

Which of these electors are Republican?

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:12:45am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

What could she do about it if he did cheat? I am sure she has a pre-nup. “Boys will be boys” as she likes to say.

And it was Billy Bush who egged him on to say dirty and bad stuff. After all, Trump is just a “teenage boy” who was nothing but a victim of peer pressure according to Melania.

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JasonA  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:15:10am
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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:15:31am

Looking at Kindles. Why on Earth would someone buy a Kindle Oasis?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:17:40am

re: #289 Sir John Barron

Which of these electors are Republican?

Here’s the list from the Medium posting:

Christine Pelosi (CA)
Micheal Baca (CO)
Anita Bonds (DC)
Courtney Watson (MD)
Dudley Dudley (NH)
Bev Hollingworth (NH)
Terie Norelli (NH)
Carol Shea-Porter (NH)
Clay Pell (RI)
Chris Suprun (TX)

Suprun may be the only Republican elector willing to publicly stick his head out. So far he’s gotten the usual death threats.

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mmmirele  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:19:54am

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

My opinion is that the improved seeds caused the increase in cotton production. The slave torture was just for lulz.

I read Ed Baptist’s book. His argument wasn’t just about seeds. It was a very densely written argument about how white Southern slave owners monetized slavery. I strongly recommend it, because it’s not just about seeds. Others are proably greatly offended by Baptist’s word choices. He doesn’t call where slaves lived “plantations,” he calls them “slave labor camps.” He really sticks the knife into the legendary old genteel South. And then twists it.

Again, highly recommended.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:21:20am

re: #290 BeachDem

And it was Billy Bush who egged him on to say dirty and bad stuff. After all, Trump is just a “teenage boy” who was nothing but a victim of peer pressure according to Melania.

Yes and Julia Ioffe really deserved to be doxxed and get rape threats, death threats and genocide threats from Trump-loving nazis because she was SOOOO UNFAIR to Melania in her semi-puff piece for GQ in which she said a mean thing that Melania’s caviar formula body cream FAILED. Melania MADE MONEY from the caviar formula bodycream, just the INVESTORS who gave money to the caviar formula body cream company LOST THEIR MONEY.

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:22:35am

Is it normal for all these people to crawl to meet Trump is his castle? Does this bother anyone else but me?

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:23:09am

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:23:17am

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End Times pastor declares that Donald Trump could be the Messiah! rightwingwatch.org
— Right Wing Watch

So do we still get the End Times or not?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:23:55am

re: #297 Skip Intro

Is it normal for all these people to crawl to meet Trump is his castle? Does this bother anyone else but me?

You just don’t understand real people who live in castles.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:24:36am
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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:24:47am

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Joe Bacon  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:24:58am

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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:25:57am

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LOL look at the grift scrolling across the chyron.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:27:37am

Facebook in three acts (British edition):

ACT 1: Drunk woman is denied access to club; goes home and writes obnoxious, racist, xenophobic rant on club’s facebook page.

ACT 2: Club posts thoughtful response, including things like: “We have a society of acceptance and tolerance within the U.K., yet there are people who still exist with such outdated and outrageous beliefs of racial hatred.”

ACT 3: Club’s post is removed for not complying with Facebook community guidelines. The bar shared the note from Facebook on its page with the caption, “Apparently racial hatred is permitted, speaking out against such is not. Such a strange world.”

THE END
rawstory.com

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:28:07am

re: #239 Kragar

Kragar @Kragar_LGF
2 Questions:
How fucking stupid is Donald Trump?
How fucking stupid does he think we are?

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I think his winning the election is proof that we (collective America) are pretty stupid.

He is a clever con artist that somehow won the presidential election even with all the information about his bad business practices, funky treatment of women and racist thinking.

Stupid or cunningly dumb? Time to face the reality and figure out how to deal with it and get his orange ass away from the government as soon as possible.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:29:14am

re: #245 Myron Falwell (no relation)

China can do far more damage economically than with a thermonuclear weapon. They own too many assets here.

Yeah…get ready for The Bank of China. Locations near you!

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Timothy Watson  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:29:22am

re: #306 ObserverArt

I think his winning the election is proof that we (collective America) are pretty stupid.

He is a clever con artist that somehow won the presidential election even with all the information about his bad business practices, funky treatment of women and racist thinking.

Stupid or cunningly dumb? Time to face the reality and figure out how to deal with it and get his orange ass away from the government as soon as possible.

It’s probably amazing the number of people who think hacking is like something from the old video game “Uplink”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:32:40am

re: #306 ObserverArt

I think his winning the election is proof that we (collective America) are pretty stupid.

He is a clever con artist that somehow won the presidential election even with all the information about his bad business practices, funky treatment of women and racist thinking.

Stupid or cunningly dumb? Time to face the reality and figure out how to deal with it and get his orange ass away from the government as soon as possible.

The thing with con artists is not that they are smart. They only have to be smarter than their marks, and they target the stupids as their ideal marks.

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mmmirele  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:41:29am

re: #212 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Teen Vogue is doing the work that traditional media is terribly reluctant to do. That blows my mind.

I went to Teen Vogue yesterday for the politics and stayed for the beauty info. I learned, for example, that face sheets made in Korea were being hand-folded and packaged in people’s homes. Sanitary issues galore, obvs!

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:45:57am

re: #297 Skip Intro

Is it normal for all these people to crawl to meet Trump is his castle? Does this bother anyone else but me?

I find it pathetic myself. Groveling I believe is the word.

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calochortus  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:48:03am

re: #297 Skip Intro

Is it normal for all these people to crawl to meet Trump is his castle? Does this bother anyone else but me?

I feel confident that Trump thinks this is one of the biggest perks of being elected.
Supplicants.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:49:29am

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

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Of course it make total sense that a guy that is famous for using slinky sexy women models to sell big fat greasy hamburgers loaded with cheese, mayo, bacon and probably 1500 calories or more would be against abortion.

Yeah…makes all the sense in the world. As much sense as anything else going on currently regarding Trump and this election.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2016 • 11:59:48am

re: #295 mmmirele

I read Ed Baptist’s book. His argument wasn’t just about seeds. It was a very densely written argument about how white Southern slave owners monetized slavery. I strongly recommend it, because it’s not just about seeds. Others are proably greatly offended by Baptist’s word choices. He doesn’t call where slaves lived “plantations,” he calls them “slave labor camps.” He really sticks the knife into the legendary old genteel South. And then twists it.

Again, highly recommended.

I’ll have to read it. I went to a lecture a couple years ago (can’t remember the guy’s name) wherein he argued that slaveowners were growing slaves as a product once they could no longer be imported (thus rape) and had to have new territories open to slavery in order to move product.


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