The Most Horrific Moment From Today’s Press Conference

Climate change: “We’re not spending money on that anymore. We consider that to be a waste of your money.”
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I could hardly believe what I watched today, as Trump’s right wing OMB director Mick Mulvaney explicitly called research into climate change “a waste of money.”

Future generations are going to curse the Republican Party and this nightmarish Trump regime for many things, but their denial of the biggest existential threat to the human race is especially unforgivable.

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125 comments

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EPR-radar  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:46:45pm

One small quibble: The US Republican party is clearly the biggest existential threat to the human race.

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gocart mozart  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:48:41pm
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Moebym  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:48:59pm

re: #1 EPR-radar

If I recall correctly, Noam Chomsky pretty much said those exact words.

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freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:49:33pm

I guess he’s right. Trump and his ilk are never going to listen to any results of such research, so why should they pay for it?

Ultimately, the real problem isn’t that Trump doesn’t want to pay money for research.

The real problem is that Trump is a narcissist and doesn’t care about other people.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:50:29pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:51:03pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

No rich person got richer because of Meals on Wheels. Therefore it provides ‘no results’ according to Republicans.

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EPR-radar  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:54:28pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

Fucking hypocrites. Trump is pissing away millions of dollars with his three residences as POTUS and constant trips to Mar-a-Lago.

Republican budget chicken-hawking should be treated with the contempt it so richly deserves.

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Interesting Times  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:55:06pm

Meanwhile, look at what these tree-hugging hippies are saying /

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:58:52pm
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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:01:44pm

re: #4 freetoken

I guess he’s right. Trump and his ilk are never going to listen to any results of such research, so why should they pay for it?

Ultimately, the real problem isn’t that Trump doesn’t want to pay money for research.

The real problem is that Trump is a narcissist and doesn’t care about other people.

And that makes him… different from any other Republican?

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EPR-radar  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:02:10pm

From DailyKos “Trump, Ryan budgets will kill more Americans per year than all Muslim extremist attacks combined” dailykos.com

Party of life my ass. The Republicans are such a goddamn death cult that they would probably drop their opposition to abortion if illegal abortions became safe.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:02:12pm

re: #9 goddamnedfrank

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:04:35pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

Party of life my ass. The Republicans are such a goddamn death cult that they would probably drop their opposition to abortion if illegal abortions became safe.

The second Roe v. Wade is overturned, then the persecution and execution of Catholics and non-Dominionists can begin.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:05:54pm
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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:06:50pm

re: #8 Interesting Times

Meanwhile, look at what these tree-hugging hippies are saying /

BlackRock is going to wind up punishing the US where it hurts the most. In the pocketbook.

And don’t forget Royal Dutch Shell basically declaring war against the Secretary of Exxon late last week.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:07:22pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:10:08pm

Dramatic video shows woman pulling herself out of fast-moving muddy floodwaters in Punta Hermosa, Peru.

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freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:11:24pm

The rightwing outlets continue to ignore the obvious, the obvious is getting more obvious:

Flynn worked for multiple Russian firms

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:13:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:16:50pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:18:33pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Exactly why Trump won’t be impeached. And honestly? He will be a two-termer.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:19:07pm

Typical Branch Trumpidian.


(Hidden because it’s not only fucking unfunny, it’s obscenely offensive.)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:19:09pm
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jaunte  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:19:32pm
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jaunte  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:19:50pm
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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:20:26pm

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

Exactly why Trump won’t be impeached. And honestly? He will be a two-termer.

The country will collapse in civil (nuclear) war and political genocide if THAT happens.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:20:45pm
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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:22:09pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

We knew when DT appointed Mulvaney America was gonna be in for a world of hurt.

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jaunte  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:23:18pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:24:02pm

re: #28 Sir John Barron

We knew when DT appointed Mulvaney America was gonna be in for a world of hurt.

The world is in for a world of hurt.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:24:16pm

Real talk.

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jaunte  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:24:18pm

“Four hundred of the 420 counties ARC [Appalachian Regional Commission] operates in voted for Trump in November’s election.”

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:24:23pm

I still say that my personal prediction of a total government collapse and vigilante justice against any other opponent is highly likely.

The second conservatives execute liberals or registered Democrats, the political cleansing and executions against conservatives in blue states will begin in earnest.

Not really speaking in hyperbole; just that, human kindness is the biggest oxymoron of all.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:24:55pm

re: #26 Myron Falwell

The country will collapse in civil (nuclear) war and political genocide if THAT happens.

Doubt it. Bernie bros will be too busy sitting at home repeating to themselves “he would have won!”.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:26:20pm

re: #34 GlutenFreeJesus

Doubt it. Bernie bros will be too busy sitting at home repeating to themselves “he would have won!”.

Until they are rounded up and executed themselves.

We’re a bunch of animals at our core.

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EPR-radar  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:27:21pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Even here I can’t say what I really think of Trump and the Republicans without getting a well-deserved banning.

So I content myself with the very mildest observations about the flock of GOP shitbirds infesting this nation.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:29:17pm

re: #25 jaunte

Sure, that way the poor urchins will not grow up with functioning brains and squeeze their betters out of their proper places at, say, Cornell. It’s bad enough the little darlings have to rub shoulders with weird foreigners, but the foreigners at least bring lots of money with them.

Fuck you, Mulvaney.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:29:21pm

re: #35 Myron Falwell

“But her emails!” will be engraved on all their tombstones.

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William Lewis  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:29:23pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

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GOP Delenda Est!

< spit >

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:30:19pm

re: #38 GlutenFreeJesus

“But her emails!” will be engraved on all their tombstones.

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451_Montag  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:31:27pm

re: #17 FormerDirtDart

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Fun fact. I lived about a kilometer from that bridge. Punta Hermosa was my go to beach. I lived at the next beach along which was a bit too splashy. I actually harvested the mud from that dry bed to plaster my traditional wood oven. Drove over it almost every day (the bridge that is, not the oven).

Basically desert with zero rain. The rain is higher up and a flash flood is formed on dried mud like concrete. Only ever saw one… Gnarly

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:33:09pm
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Joe Bacon  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:33:51pm

re: #26 Myron Falwell

The country will collapse in civil (nuclear) war and political genocide if THAT happens.

I’ve said all along that DC will implode and the US will break into pieces. Justin Trudeau may pick up some of them but the rest will devolve into 3rd world status.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:34:15pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

Pretty much everyone would be in agreement with you on it, though.

And don’t be surprised to see that level of venomous anger towards any and all Republicans is far more common than we think it is.

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wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:34:32pm

re: #35 Myron Falwell

Until they are rounded up and executed themselves.

We’re a bunch of animals at our core.

You don’t think much of animals. They aren’t that bad.

Neither are humans, IMHO, since we are also animals.

The horror perpetrated by members of our species does not mean the entire species is horrible. I have seen good. The bad is not in our DNA, nor is the good. We all have to work at it. Unlike most animals, we have the choice of which we work at.

/sociobiology dropout

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:35:21pm

re: #32 jaunte

“Four hundred of the 420 counties ARC [Appalachian Regional Commission] operates in voted for Trump in November’s election.”

Someone the other day on here coined the term “karmafreude”. I foresee that word being used a lot for the next 4 years.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:35:54pm

Just retweet this chart when trump makes some claim.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:36:08pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon

I’ve said all along that DC will implode and the US will break into pieces. Justin Trudeau may pick up some of them but the rest will devolve into 3rd world status.

Why would he want anything to do with what we’ve become? He will end up building a wall to keep us out. And we will be stupid enough to pay for it.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:36:20pm

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

That’s pretty fucking alarming.

And of course Fox won’t do a fucking thing about it.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:37:26pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:38:22pm

Trump sex tape LEAKED:

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:39:07pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

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Funny, the first thing my dad taught me was never point a gun at someone unless you planned on shooting them.

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William Lewis  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:39:11pm

re: #48 GlutenFreeJesus

Why would he want anything to do with what we’ve become? He will end up building a wall to keep us out. And we will be stupid enough to pay for it.

The Great Lakes remains the largest source of pure water in the world. Canada will build that wall to protect the lakes and absorb some to all of MN, WI, MI, IL, IN, OH, PA & NY in order to keep it clean and safe.

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:39:31pm

Jim Wright sees the same things we see.

Facebook Post

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KGxvi  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:39:45pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart

There are so many things I don’t get about Soylent.

First, why would you name a product for something that was, fictionally, made of people? That just seems like a bad marketing strategy.

Second, while I get cooking isn’t for everyone (I enjoy it), is drinking a smoothie really a better experience than eating actual food? Are there people who would prefer a smoothie to prime rib? Or whatever the vegetarian alternative is to prime rib?

Third, isn’t there value in taking a bit of time to actually eat a meal rather than drink a smoothie?

I just don’t get it.

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EPR-radar  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:39:48pm

re: #51 GlutenFreeJesus

Hah. The sound track really takes this to the next level.

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Jay C  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:39:52pm

re: #44 Myron Falwell

Pretty much everyone would be in agreement with you on it, though.

And don’t be surprised to see that level of venomous anger towards any and all Republicans is far more common than we think it is.

“Everyone in agreement”? Well, true enough here at LGF, anyway (mostly), but how representative is Lizardom of the population as a whole?

And seriously, however “common” venomous anger towards Republicans may be, how come it never seems to be able to be harnessed to keep said creatures out of statehouses and Congress in their (theoretically) over-represented numbers?

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:40:01pm

So when is Lumpy going to execute in cold blood someone from the Fox News liberal pundit stable just because he fucking can?

He should be fired from both radio and TV and arrested.

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William Lewis  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:40:15pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

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Fucker did that to me he’d better pull the trigger because I would be doing so less than a second later.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:40:51pm

Everything is fucking bananas now, bananas all the way down.

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:40:59pm

My question is, what the hell metric is Mulvaney and the Trump admin using far as these programs not showing results? Seniors going hungry or suffering from malnutrition? Poor kids struggling in school despite us giving them food (clearly the only thing they need to become honor students overnight)? Like…what the fuck are they asking for in ‘returns’, unless they’re using the business definitions of returns. a.k.a. profits.

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:41:57pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Uhhh, that’s some bad training then.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:42:05pm

re: #57 Jay C

Over the years, they’ve built their base on promising all this reprehensible stuff. Just that a very scant few ever thought it was possible, until now.

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EPR-radar  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:42:26pm

re: #61 Citizen K

My question is, what the hell metric is Mulvaney and the Trump admin using far as these programs not showing results? Seniors going hungry or suffering from malnutrition? Poor kids struggling in school despite us giving them food (clearly the only thing they need to become honor students overnight)? Like…what the fuck are they asking for in ‘returns’, unless they’re using the business definitions of returns. a.k.a. profits.

You’ve answered your own question. “Profits for Plutocrats” is the Republican definition of ‘results’.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:42:32pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

What results did he expect from Meals on Wheels? Bizarre comment.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:42:35pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Everything is fucking bananas now, bananas all the way down.

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If I really wanted to torture you guys, I would post a certain Gwen Stefani song.

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KGxvi  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:43:08pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

How does that not result in him being fired, arrested, and sued for 80% of what he owns?

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wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:43:34pm

re: #61 Citizen K

My question is, what the hell metric is Mulvaney and the Trump admin using far as these programs not showing results? Seniors going hungry or suffering from malnutrition? Poor kids struggling in school despite us giving them food (clearly the only thing they need to become honor students overnight)? Like…what the fuck are they asking for in ‘returns’, unless they’re using the business definitions of returns. a.k.a. profits.

They want to see those children and old folks build a hotel.

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EPR-radar  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:44:26pm

re: #67 KGxvi

How does that not result in him being fired, arrested, and sued for 80% of what he owns?

Lumpy is a rich Republican. Therefore there is no case. QED.

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Skip Intro  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:44:45pm

re: #65 Patricia Kayden

What results did he expect from Meals on Wheels? Bizarre comment.

Will Fox “News” be explaining to the olds why no one comes to their door with food any more? Will they ever realize that they willingly did this to themselves?

The answer, of course, is “Hell No!”.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:46:20pm

re: #7 EPR-radar

Fucking hypocrites. Trump is pissing away millions of dollars with his three residences as POTUS and constant trips to Mar-a-Lago.

Republican budget chicken-hawking should be treated with the contempt it so richly deserves.

This a million times. He’s cutting much needed benefits for seniors, disabled and vets while our tax payer money goes towards housing him and his family in three separate locations. Plus, tax payers get the honor of paying for his kids’ business trips overseas.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:47:10pm

Sorry, Mulvaney triplets—your dad is the villain in a Dickens novel.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:47:21pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

Lumpy is a rich Republican. Therefore there is no case. QED.

There wouldn’t even be a case if he pulled the trigger on live TV, because he’s Lumpy, and Juan Williams is not.

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:47:40pm

re: #61 Citizen K

Most probable with them at this point…they are just flat out lying. Didn’t bother look for any results or ignored them. So yeah being liars once again.

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Skip Intro  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:47:46pm

EPA may roll back chemical plant safety rules

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt has delayed regulations that were made in response to a 2013 explosion at a fertilizer storage plant in West, Texas, that killed 15 people and injured more than 250 others.

The effective date of the rules, focusing on preparing for chemical accidents, has been pushed back to June 19, according to the EPA. The public comment period for the rule has been extended to May 13, which will allow time for the agency to decide if it wants to further delay the rule.

Safety is overrated, unless it applies to Trump, his family, and Republican members of Congress.

abcnews.go.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:49:04pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

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Hold on just a moment - “Hannity has been trained in firearm safety since he was 11 years old”, and he aimed a gun at another person, even lit up the laser sight, FOR FUN? What the actual fuck?

So, basically, Hannity has been trained in firearm safety for years, and retained none of it.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:49:10pm

re: #13 Myron Falwell

The second Roe v. Wade is overturned, then the persecution and execution of Catholics and non-Dominionists can begin.

Catholics are stridently pro-life so they will not be persecuted by Dominionists. I could see the more Rightwing Catholics teaming up with the Dominionists in any future American Theocracy though.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:50:17pm

Too bad Hannity wasn’t trained in human decency.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:50:59pm

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

Catholics are stridently pro-life so they will not be persecuted by Dominionists. I could see the more Rightwing Catholics teaming up with the Dominionists in any future American Theocracy though.

The RWNJ Catholics will reject the Pope in favor of the Dominionist dogma.

Everyone else will be forced onto the cattle car.

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Jay C  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:52:33pm

re: #70 Skip Intro

Will Fox “News” be explaining to the olds why no one comes to their door with food any more? Will they ever realize that they willingly did this to themselves?

The answer, of course, is “Hell No!”.

Yeah, Fox will just get some perky blonde talking-head to go on the air and tell the oldsters that they’re not getting their MoW because Obama spent all the money giving away smartphones and T-bone steaks to welfare bums. And a non-trivial segment of their viewership will believe it….

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Joe Bacon  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:52:54pm

re: #48 GlutenFreeJesus

Why would he want anything to do with what we’ve become? He will end up building a wall to keep us out. And we will be stupid enough to pay for it.

He may want to pick up New England, New York, maybe Minnesota, the West Coast, Alaska and Hawaii. As for the rest they will break into their own private Idahos…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:53:10pm

re: #65 Patricia Kayden

What results did he expect from Meals on Wheels? Bizarre comment.

“We pay good money to feed these old people, and they keep dying anyway!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:54:08pm

This country now exists for one reason: Make Donald Trump Great Again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:54:42pm

Also, can this budget be rammed through or does the GOP need Dem votes?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:54:50pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Yep and I don’t think we can imagine how evil they are until their policies actually get implemented. They only care about the rich.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:55:54pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

This country now exists for one reason: Make Donald Trump RUSSIA Great Again.

Modified for accuracy.

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freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:56:02pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

The news sites are saying the GOP in congress (more likely mostly the Senate) are just going to skip this budget. Too many pots to fight over.

Expect a continuing resolution bill process until the GOP in the House and Senate can get their act together. Eventually Trump will just cave in to them.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:56:17pm
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William Lewis  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:56:42pm

re: #79 Myron Falwell

The RWNJ Catholics will reject the Pope in favor of the Dominionist dogma.

Everyone else will be forced onto the cattle car.

Well, they may think we will be…

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:56:46pm

Goddamnit, I feel an extraordinary kinship with people like Jennifer Rubin and Rick Wilson. Thanks, Trump!

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:57:10pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, can this budget be rammed through or does the GOP need Dem votes?

This budget seems set up to fail just like TrumpCare, and should it fail, that gives Bannon the ability to persecute Ryan even further.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:58:16pm

re: #91 Myron Falwell

This budget seems set up to fail just like TrumpCare, and should it fail, that gives Bannon the ability to persecute Ryan even further.

And it’s “art of the deal” bullshit: offer something so outrageous that the ludicrous looks normal by comparison.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:58:17pm

re: #55 KGxvi

There are so many things I don’t get about Soylent.

First, why would you name a product for something that was, fictionally, made of people? That just seems like a bad marketing strategy.

Second, while I get cooking isn’t for everyone (I enjoy it), is drinking a smoothie really a better experience than eating actual food? Are there people who would prefer a smoothie to prime rib? Or whatever the vegetarian alternative is to prime rib?

Third, isn’t there value in taking a bit of time to actually eat a meal rather than drink a smoothie?

I just don’t get it.

1. Soylent was named after the food product (soya & lentils) featured in the book that was adapted to make Soylent Green.
2. Even in Soylent Green not all “Soylent” was made from people. Soylent Green was a new product of the Soylent Corporation. Developed because Soylent Red and Yellow were in short supply.
3. Yeah, it was also named in a satirical homage to Soylent Green.
4. My take, the “Soylent” in the tweet was specifically meant to refer to “Soylent Green” i.e. “people”

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:59:06pm

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

Sure, why not? And he championed George Zimmerman for shooting an unarmed Black teenager. Par for the course for Hannity.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:59:29pm

This is fucking horrifying

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:59:33pm

re: #92 Barefoot Grin

And it’s “art of the deal” bullshit: offer something so outrageous that the ludicrous looks normal by comparison.

…which would be another round of government shutdown-forced austerity.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:00:03pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

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Lots of people killed every year by ‘unloaded’ guns. Like the kid out here who was showing he knew so much about guns - took his Dad’s pistol, worked the slide, dropped the magazine, pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger.

Right steps. Wrong order. Dead kid.

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:00:53pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

This story is really disturbing to me. Just a nice little reminder that he could kill him any time and maybe even get away with it, just like he got away with this little reminder aka threat.

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Skip Intro  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:01:26pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

In a Stand Your Ground state, Williams would have been fully justified in shooting Hannity for doing that.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:02:23pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

He didn’t point it at anyone lighter than a paper bag. No harm done//

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Skip Intro  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:05:37pm

re: #94 Patricia Kayden

Sure, why not? And he championed George Zimmerman for shooting an unarmed Black teenager. Par for the course for Hannity.

Florida feels badly about what they put poor George through.

Senate passes ‘stand your ground’ law changes to benefit defendants

TALLAHASSEE — This could be the year the Republican-led Florida Legislature succeeds in enacting a controversial change to the state’s “stand your ground” law that prosecutors warn could lead to a flood of self-defense claims and would force state attorneys to essentially try cases twice.

For the second consecutive session, Florida senators on Wednesday approved a bill (SB 128) from Fleming Island Republican Sen. Rob Bradley to shift the burden of proof — from the defendant to the prosecutor — in the pretrial phase of “stand your ground” cases.

The Senate voted 23-15 on Wednesday, mostly along party lines and drawing praise from Senate President Joe Negron, R-Stuart.

“If a prosecutor doesn’t have the evidence to prevail at this immunity hearing … the prosecutor does not have sufficient evidence to win at trial,” said Bradley, himself a former prosecutor. “Innocent people will not go free as a result of this bill; this bill isn’t about creating loopholes.”

….

If the bill was already law, for example: In the recent high-profile case of former Tampa police captain Curtis Reeves, rather than requesting immunity from prosecution for allegedly killing Chad Oulson at a movie theater, Reeves wouldn’t have had the pressure to explain himself before trial. Rather, by Reeves asserting “stand your ground,” Pasco County state attorneys would have had to show evidence “beyond a reasonable doubt” — the same standard required at trial — of why Reeves should still be prosecuted. As happens now, a judge — not a jury — would decide whether the case advanced to trial.

tampabay.com

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:06:58pm

re: #91 Myron Falwell

This budget seems set up to fail just like TrumpCare, and should it fail, that gives Bannon the ability to persecute Ryan even further.

It’s starting to look like they’re building everything to fail.

Theater of the Criminally Insane, to give us something to talk about while Man-Baby loots the Treasury.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:08:06pm

re: #54 makeitstop

I don’t see how anyone can blame President Obama for any of the world of hurt that will be generated by Team Trump. That doesn’t make a lick of sense given that President Obama did his best to enact policies to help the majority of Americans. He wasn’t perfect but he didn’t go out of his way to cut programs which helped the working class or poorer Americans.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:08:19pm
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Joe Bacon  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:08:31pm

re: #92 Barefoot Grin

And it’s “art of the deal” bullshit: offer something so outrageous that the ludicrous looks normal by comparison.

Barefoot, it’s not The Art Of The Deal. It’s The Art Of The STEAL!

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:09:58pm

Laws? Laws? Laws are meant the poor..and brown people…

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:11:29pm

re: #102 makeitstop

It’s starting to look like they’re building everything to fail.

Theater of the Criminally Insane, to give us something to talk about while Man-Baby loots the Treasury.

Well, Trump has to pay his Russian overlords somehow

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:12:58pm

re: #103 Patricia Kayden

I don’t see how anyone can blame President Obama for any of the world of hurt that will be generated by Team Trump. That doesn’t make a lick of sense given that President Obama did his best to enact policies to help the majority of Americans. He wasn’t perfect but he didn’t go out of his way to cut programs which helped the working class or poorer Americans.

I had a Berniac on my Facebook wall this afternoon commenting on the cut of federal counterterrorism funding to NYC, bitching about Obama ‘doing the same thing’ as Trump is doing now.

He’s a friend of more than 20 years, but I’m so fed up with the obsession with making Obama History’s Greatest Monster I told him to ride out of my page on the Purity Pony he rode in on.

Never underestimate people’s willingness to blame Obama. He’s become a favorite target of both left and right, and they all love blaming shit on him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:15:24pm

Remember back when Herman Cain promised that he wouldn’t sign into law any bill longer than 3 pages? And of course, got rightly reamed for being so stupidly simplistic?

Looking at these EOs and this budget, it’s really like this is the result of one of those “See If You Can Reduce The Deficit!” things they used to put online, and let people try to come up with a budget. And this looks like something put together by someone who has not a fucking clue what he’s doing. He’s a monkey with a machine gun.

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:15:40pm

This is the GOP. And by extension, this is our country. They want racism. They crave it. They want us fucking dead, and they’ll get it in degrees the way they’re working.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:17:01pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

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Rule #1: Always assume a gun is loaded.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:17:09pm

re: #103 Patricia Kayden

I don’t see how anyone can blame President Obama for any of the world of hurt that will be generated by Team Trump. That doesn’t make a lick of sense given that President Obama did his best to enact policies to help the majority of Americans. He wasn’t perfect but he didn’t go out of his way to cut programs which helped the working class or poorer Americans.

Patricia, if you saw Facebook pages of some of my family members you would be shocked to see how thier racist hatred of Obama is a full blown obsession even now!

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:18:10pm

re: #98 JordanRules

It always come back to the same thing: the 0-th rule is that the rules don’t apply to their in-group, because they’re a priori right (moral) and right (correct).

When they fuck up, it’s because something else is responsible…and if that fails, because they were “corrupted”…and if completely pinned, they beg to be forgiven, which wipes away what they did (this option is not available for out-group people). If someone is totally, damnably guilty, then it turns out they were secretly not Of The Body all along.

This is why accusations of hypocrisy never stick.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:19:15pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

Even here I can’t say what I really think of Trump and the Republicans without getting a well-deserved banning.

So I content myself with the very mildest observations about the flock of GOP shitbirds infesting this nation.

Me too!! Actually — did Trump have anything to do with this budget?? You really think he cared about this or has enough concentration to even look at this? Probably Bannon all the way

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:23:27pm

re: #113 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Well said. Blame will go to someone in the out-group or just the group as a whole and the in-group celebrates in solidarity.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:26:26pm

re: #108 makeitstop

But President Obama’s favorability ratings were high when he left office which suggests that while some people on the left and right hate him, the majority of us don’t. And he looks even better in comparison to the Orange-skinned Horror currently occupying the White House.

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gocart mozart  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:28:38pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:32:55pm

re: #116 Patricia Kayden

But President Obama’s favorability ratings were high when he left office which suggests that while some people on the left and right hate him, the majority of us don’t. And he looks even better in comparison to the Orange-skinned Horror currently occupying the White House.

Oh, I agree with you.

But that will never stop the RW lunatics or the Purity Squad from trying to cut him down.

Happily, many of my friends are pushing back on my Facebook post.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:36:22pm

re: #110 Citizen K

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This is the GOP. And by extension, this is our country. They want racism. They crave it. They want us fucking dead, and they’ll get it in degrees the way they’re working.

I don’t necessarily take Rep King at his word. He probably also maintains a lot of people around here are nostalgic for the days of harvesting cotton organically.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:43:21pm

re: #96 Myron Falwell

…which would be another round of government shutdown-forced austerity.

aka: class warfare

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EPR-radar  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:06:23pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rule #1: Always assume a gun is loaded.

Rules 2-10. See rule #1.

Even I know that much, and I’m fucking clueless about guns.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:09:31pm

re: #121 EPR-radar

Rules 2-10. See rule #1.

Even I know that much, and I’m fucking clueless about guns.

If you say anything even remotely related to sane gun laws, you get accused of being ‘afraid of guns’. Being afraid of them is the correct response.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:02:50pm

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

Exactly why Trump won’t be impeached. And honestly? He will be a two-termer.

Precisely because the Baby Boomers who are rapidly approaching old age and eventual death don’t care about Climate Change or any other factor that affects anyone other than themselves. They grew up at the ballot box repeatedly stifling any movement towards single payer health care now they are struggling to make ends meet to pay for their own medial bills. And they are dying off. Any other concern to them is of no concern.

Fuck their grandkids, fuck their legacy, fuck everyone. This is the Baby Boomer legacy. I have little doubt anymore that this country will be in such a shambles in 20 years after they pass to torch to the next generation that a single payer system will be implemented, but at a staggering cost and effort that would have been much better set up years ago.

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jhncsy  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:19:51pm

re: #109 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember back when Herman Cain promised that he wouldn’t sign into law any bill longer than 3 pages? And of course, got rightly reamed for being so stupidly simplistic?

Looking at these EOs and this budget, it’s really like this is the result of one of those “See If You Can Reduce The Deficit!” things they used to put online, and let people try to come up with a budget. And this looks like something put together by someone who has not a fucking clue what he’s doing. He’s a monkey with a machine gun.

Cain was black, though, and he was behind in the Republican primaries. So the media didn’t have to worry about spoiling their stupid horse race, and the Republicans were free to kick him away.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:18:19pm

re: #122 Blind Frog Belly White

If you say anything even remotely related to sane gun laws, you get accused of being ‘afraid of guns’. Being afraid of them is the correct response.

God damn right it is the correct response. Those things put holes in people.


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