After Boasting About How Great It Is for Months, Suddenly Trump Thinks Trumpcare Is “Too Harsh”

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After boasting over and over for months that the Trumpcare bill created by evil heartless Republicans was the greatest thing for America since the Manzanar internment camps, and after holding a party with House Republicans in the White House Rose Garden when they passed it, suddenly today Trump is calling it “too harsh.”

President Donald Trump directed Senate Republicans to pass a generous health care bill at a meeting with more than a dozen GOP senators on Tuesday, arguing that the austere House health care bill is difficult to defend, according to people familiar with the meeting.

The president also said Republicans risk getting savaged in the 2018 midterms if they fail to repeal Obamacare after a seven-year campaign against the law.

But he made clear that the Senate needs to pass a bill that Republicans are able to more easily defend and is not viewed as an attack on Americans from low-income households, as the House bill has been portrayed by critics, the sources said. He also advocated more robust tax credits for people who buy insurance on the individual market, a move that would increase the bill’s cost.

Everybody realizes this is just another scheme to trick people into supporting this nightmare health care legislation, right? Health care legislation that the Republican Party hasn’t even released to the public? Health care legislation that’s really nothing more than a massive tax cut for the richest Americans?

But if the Senate Republicans modify it, now Trump can brag that he got them to “improve” it. This is a bait-and-switch con on the national level.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:42:26pm

Following this guy is just stupid.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:44:45pm

He picked a great state to push this nonsense. Around here, the WWC believes anything the GOP tells them, no matter what.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:46:26pm

He’s here doing a fundraiser for Walker. Low poll numbers don’t have an effect on raising money it seems.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:47:19pm

The back and forth, changing direction for no specific reason or without obvious reason is the tactic of abusers — and the mentally ill.

IMHO, he is creating chaos in order to take advantage of it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:47:34pm

Perriello is giving a great concession speech. Thanks Tom. Thanks for getting me back involved again and thanks for showing what being a progressive is all about.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:49:21pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:50:33pm

I think this is bullshit. Congressional GOPers will make minimal changes to the bill (or no changes and lie that changes were made), Trump will then declare it to be the best thing ever, and the rich will be able to skeet shoot using the poor and the sick as targets just as originally planned.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:51:19pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Well done HappyWarrior. Can I piggyback on your optimism? I seem to be fresh out.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:51:38pm

re: #4 Birth Control Works

The back and forth, changing direction for no specific reason or without obvious reason is the tactic of abusers — and the mentally ill.

IMHO, he is creating chaos in order to take advantage of it.

It’s a classic con game.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:52:27pm
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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:53:17pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

GRIFTUS IS AS GRIFTUS DOES

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BigPapa  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:53:29pm

re: #6 Barefoot Grin

Emolumental, my dear Watson.

Saw this, thought my Lizard frens would like it.

Moscow on the Potomac
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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:54:35pm

Strongly recommend one read this. The Confidence Game.

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covfefe  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:54:47pm

Too harsh on the 1%. Doesn’t offer them enough tax cuts.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:56:54pm

Yay! The Bernie-backed candidate in Virginia lost! Rejoice!

I call this dance “Muscles.”
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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:57:04pm

What is the con he is playing?

I don’t remember all the names and tactics.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:57:36pm
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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:58:21pm
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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 5:59:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:00:28pm

re: #8 Amory Blaine

Well done HappyWarrior. Can I piggyback on your optimism? I seem to be fresh out.

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You bet.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:01:28pm

re: #6 Barefoot Grin

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Russians can’t just pay him with a travelers check now can they?

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:01:31pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Meanwhile on the GOP side of the primary…

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Bass Reeves  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:01:32pm

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nowherenorth2  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:03:14pm

I do get worried about my friends who love trump. This election has made them ridiculous conspiracy theory triggered snowflake “alpha males” who like to point at me as wrong.

The cult of trump is nationalism. The cult of trump says to better the homeland and that business is politics and vice versa.

Scary that people follow this so blindly these days because of fear and stupidity

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:03:28pm
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retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:03:36pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Meanwhile on the GOP side of the primary…

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Seriously????

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:03:56pm

attn: wrenchwench

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nowherenorth2  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:04:02pm

re: #25 Birth Control Works

Thank you. Thank you very much

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:04:04pm

Senator Jeff Merkley was just on All in with Chris Hayes and stated the Democrats are preparing to do everything they can legally and within procedural rules to block the Republican’s healthcare legislation.

I guess that goes against that tweeting this morning saying the Dems were gonna let the legislation go through as long as they get some sanctions against Russia.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:04:52pm

re: #24 nowherenorth2

I do get worried about my friends who love trump. This election has made them ridiculous conspiracy theory triggered snowflake “alpha males” who like to point at me as wrong.

The cult of trump is nationalism. The cult of trump says to better the homeland and that business is politics and vice versa.

Scary that people follow this so blindly these days because of fear and stupidity

I posted something the other day, that in times of upheaval (our Brave New World) —people look to the past to find comfort. It made the current political climate make a lot more sense to me!

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:06:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:06:56pm

Gahre: #26 retired cynic

Seriously????

Gillespie is still winning but it’s very, very tight. Anyhow, I’m thinking what happened was the “moderate” Republicans sat this out thinking Gillespie had it in the bag. Not that I don’t think Stewart would still be polling fairly well but I think that’s what happening here.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:08:08pm

My delegate candidate lost too. Oh for 2 tonight. But you can’t be petty in these times.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:08:20pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:09:41pm

re: #26 retired cynic

Seriously????

It’s not official yet, it is very close.

Edward Gillespie (Republican) 43.5% 138,400
Corey Stewart (Republican) 42.9% 136,643
Frank Wagner (Republican) 13.6% 43,234
83% precincts reporting.

As far as Corey Stewart being a miserable asshole that has to use crude porno slang to denigrate political opponents, it’s all true.

RICHMOND — Corey Stewart, a Republican running for Virginia governor in the style of Donald Trump, made this offer to some of the president’s most ardent fans: “Ask me anything.”

And for the next hour on a Reddit comment board Thursday, he responded to whatever came his way.

“What car do you drive daily?” he was asked. “Pickup truck!” he replied. Asked if he supported mass deportation of illegal immigrants, he said: “YES. I will kick them all out.”

He remained game and breezy as the queries veered into territory like this: “Is Bill Clinton a rapist?” “Yes,” Stewart replied.

“Can you confirm that [Virginia Gov.] Terry McAuliffe is a cuck?” someone wrote. “CONFIRMED!” Stewart wrote back.

Stewart, who prides himself on his brash, politically incorrect persona, introduced “cuck” — a slur derived from “cuckold” and popularized by the far right — into the discussion from the start.

“Hey Reddit, I’m Corey Stewart. Republican Candidate for Governor of Virginia and former State Chair for Donald Trump for President,” he began. “The primary election is June 13th. I am opposing the establishment’s handpicked candidate, former Bush guy, RNC chairman, and cuckservative, Ed Gillespie.”

More: GOP chair slams Va. gubernatorial contender for calling rival a ‘cuckservative’ | The Washington Post

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:10:05pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Gah

Gillespie is still winning but it’s very, very tight. Anyhow, I’m thinking what happened was the “moderate” Republicans sat this out thinking Gillespie had it in the bag. Not that I don’t think Stewart would still be polling fairly well but I think that’s what happening here.

How do we know the Russians didn’t hack this one?

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nowherenorth2  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:10:44pm

re: #30 Birth Control Works

I see it. I also see people looking for answers to questions you cant answer easily and trump did that. He demonized people to answer as to why we have these problems.

I am from massena ny, close to Canada and the akwasasne Mohawk reservation.

Trumps actions and his words have brought an ugliness to the foreground where problems are blamed on the group he says is the problem.

In our poor impovershed destitute area that wants answers it is two things: politicians(they don’t get you) and foreigners (they cause the terrorism, specifically Muslims).

It is scary. Really scary. And they believe it. One guy said fox new is the most believable news site and the only honest new site.

Another trump support though love trump (undid Obama’s laws) but hates Betsy devos as he is a teacher andshe will destroy our education system.

Nothing seem black and white sometimes

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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:11:08pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

I wonder how many kids lost their front teeth while trying to do a hard brake while steering one-handed?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:11:09pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

It’s not official yet, it is very close.

Edward Gillespie (Republican) 43.5% 138,400
Corey Stewart (Republican) 42.9% 136,643
Frank Wagner (Republican) 13.6% 43,234
83% precincts reporting.

As far as Corey Stewart being a miserable asshole that has to use crude porno slang to denigrate political opponents, it’s all true.

More: GOP chair slams Va. gubernatorial contender for calling rival a ‘cuckservative’ | The Washington Post

Corey Stewart makes George Allen look like George Marshall. He’s that bad. I’m hoping that if he somehow wins, Gillespie refuses to endorse him or vice versa.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:11:36pm

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

How do we know the Russians didn’t hack this one?

True point actually.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:12:21pm

Props to you and your candidate, Happy, even though he didn’t win. He deserves more credit than just being the “Bernie-backed” guy in the race.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:12:36pm

The thing I find most pathetic about Stewart though is his CSA sucking up. Dude is from Duluth. Not that I’d accept it if he were from downstate but at least with that, he’d have the excuse of being brought up on years of THe South Wuz Right propaganda, being from Minnesota, he has no such excuse.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:13:49pm

re: #41 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Props to you and your candidate, Happy, even though he didn’t win. He deserves more credit than just being the “Bernie-backed” guy in the race.

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He’s a wonderful guy who I hope considers running again or gets a job in the next Democratic President’s state department. We’re in good hands with Ralph as our nominee, Justin as the Lt Gov nominee, and Mark as our returning AG nominee.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:14:48pm

One thing’s for damn sure. I hope Sanders keeps his fucking mouth shut up about our results. The people of this state had plenty of time to get to know both of our candidates. They preferred Ralph in the end.

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Teukka  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:15:13pm

re: #25 Birth Control Works

Cult Deprogrammer: Here’s How to Stage an Intervention for Your Trump-Supporting Friend

Indeed. A cue should be taken from cult deprogrammers when it comes to extremists.

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Unabogie  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:15:38pm

It’s impossible to make this bill more generous, because at its heart, it’s just a tax cut for the wealthy. You can’t take out a trillion dollars in funding and leave the benefits the same or better without making the deficit go up, and they can’t pass a bill with 50 votes if the deficit goes up because of it.

Trump is lying, the GOP is hiding their awful truth from the public, and we all must do what we can to stop it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:16:13pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

The thing I find most pathetic about Stewart though is his CSA sucking up. Dude is from Duluth. Not that I’d accept it if he were from downstate but at least with that, he’d have the excuse of being brought up on years of THe South Wuz Right propaganda, being from Minnesota, he has no such excuse.

Remember that Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) is one of ours. Unfortunately, despite the gallantry of our stand at Gettysburg, we still have ignorant hicks who would be just as much at home in the backwoods of Carolina as in the wild northwoods.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:17:20pm

re: #47 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Remember that Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) is one of ours. Unfortunately, despite the gallantry of our stand at Gettysburg, we still have ignorant hicks who would be just as much at home in the backwoods of Carolina as in the wild northwoods.

That’s quite true but yeah your state was so brave at Gettysburg and you had the final veteran of that war too. It amazes me to think a Civil War vet was alive into my Dad’s lifetime.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:17:28pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

One thing’s for damn sure. I hope Sanders keeps his fucking mouth shut up about our results. The people of this state had plenty of time to get to know both of our candidates. They preferred Ralph in the end.

Fer real?


He’ll insert his cult of personality and his sycophant Bros into the situation any way he can, because Bernie is a miserable fuckhead.
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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:19:11pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:20:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:20:22pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

Fer real?

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He’ll insert his cult of personality and his sycophant Bros into the situation any way he can, because Bernie is a miserable fuckhead.

I hope for a lot of things heh. I just appreciate like hell how Tom did the total opposite of Bernie in his concession. There wasn’t a bitter word in his speech.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:21:01pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

That’s quite true but yeah your state was so brave at Gettysburg and you had the final veteran of that war too. It amazes me to think a Civil War vet was alive into my Dad’s lifetime.

Fun fact: The Minnesota volunteer regiments were so small because MN, in addition to being one of the newest states to the Union (admitted 1862), were fighting a war against the Sioux at home that was so vicious, it actually commanded President Lincoln’s personal attention in the middle of the goddamn Civil War and resulted in the largest single-day execution in United States history.

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Wile E. Coyote's mom  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:21:06pm

Don’t know if anyone has posted this beautifully written piece below, but it is a must read.

Sorry I cannot post excerpts from my phone.

lithub.com

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:21:19pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Tom is an honorable man. His concession struck just the right tone of unity and fight.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:22:06pm

re: #51 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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We had two great candidates. I look at this way, I get to add Ralph Northam to my list of people I’ve voted for governor. I like the guy a lot honestly and would have been helping him already if Tom hadn’t entered. One thing I love about Northam is how he can speak about choice and gun violence, he’s a physician and an Army veteran.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:22:27pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Wait, I thought Ryan and the gang told us it wasn’t a celebration…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:23:28pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

Tom is an honorable man. His concession struck just the right tone of unity and fight.

It was how Bernie should have conceded to Clinton. And if you listened to the crowd, I didn’t hear many boos when he talked about Ralph. This was a great campaign. I’m disappointed my guy lost but I’m not going to be disappointed at all if Ralph Northam is our next governor because I really think he will be damn good.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:24:29pm

re: #47 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Remember that Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) is one of ours. Unfortunately, despite the gallantry of our stand at Gettysburg, we still have ignorant hicks who would be just as much at home in the backwoods of Carolina as in the wild northwoods.

White Martians want to Make Barsoom Great Again.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:25:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:27:10pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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He probably doesn’t even remember that since his brains are mush.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:27:43pm

If you’re going to Yosemite National Park soon, may want to change plans.

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EPR-radar  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:27:59pm

re: #54 Wile E. Coyote’s mom

Don’t know if anyone has posted this beautifully written piece below, but it is a must read.

Sorry I cannot post excerpts from my phone.

lithub.com

Thanks for the link. The conclusion of this excellent essay is especially strong:

The man in the white house sits, naked and obscene, a pustule of ego, in the harsh light, a man whose grasp exceeded his understanding, because his understanding was dulled by indulgence. He must know somewhere below the surface he skates on that he has destroyed his image, and like Dorian Gray before him, will be devoured by his own corrosion in due time too. One way or another this will kill him, though he may drag down millions with him. One way or another, he knows he has stepped off a cliff, pronounced himself king of the air, and is in freefall. Another dungheap awaits his landing; the dung is all his; when he plunges into it he will be, at last, a self-made man.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:29:20pm

Captain Cuck lost. Whew!

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Scout  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:31:03pm

HappyWarrior,

I really admire you for volunteering and helping out the campaign. You’re really doing something.

All I ever do is donate.

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:31:30pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

He probably doesn’t even remember that since his brains are mush.

Who talked to him last?

I think that is in play. He may think he needs healthcare legislation to win the hearts of America and get everyone to forget about Russia and his grifting. So, some people may be advising him this is a way to save his butt. Like Jared and Ivanka.

But it all could change tomorrow when the next last adviser gets to him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:32:27pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

Captain Cuck lost. Whew!

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Phew would have been embarassing to have Stewart as a nominee even though I’m no fan of the VA-GOP.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:33:00pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

He probably doesn’t even remember that since his brains are mush.

He’s a bullshitter. He’s trying to take both sides, and won’t actually resolve on a position until after it’s resolved or there’s a public outcry that can’t be ignored . Not that this will actually stop the bill or anything; the outcome is perpendicular to his want, which is maintain an image of himself as being in control, and/or not to blame for anything that fails.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:33:38pm

How long before Corey Stewart throws “illegal votes” into the ether?

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scottslemmons  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:33:40pm

re: #23 Bass Reeves

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:33:57pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

How long before Corey Stewart throws “illegal votes” into the ether?

I WANT A RECOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:34:32pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

How long before Corey Stewart throws “illegal votes” into the ether?

Damn good bet dude.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:35:01pm

I hope Stewart-Gillespie divides the state GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:38:53pm

Stewart would have won had the GOP done a convention. If/when Gillespie loses, the activists are going to demand a convention and Stewart I think will be their nominee in 2021.

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majii  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:39:50pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

“Tom is an honorable man. His concession struck just the right tone of unity and fight.”

I agree, but I must say again: I don’t like Bernie interfering in Democratic Party elections when he’s not a Democrat and his main reasons for doing so appear to be to sow dissension via purity tests, elevate his political profile, and sell his books. Raw Story reported this week that Bernie is now a member of the 1% and the journalist wonders how his supporters will view him now, and whether he’ll continue to rage against the wealthy. I’m gonna be sick if I don’t stop. Gah! Sanders turns my stomach sour and makes me want to puke.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:40:57pm

re: #75 majii

“Tom is an honorable man. His concession struck just the right tone of unity and fight.”

I agree, but I must say again: I don’t like Bernie interfering in Democratic Party elections when he’s not a Democrat and his main reasons for doing so appear to be to sow dissension via purity tests, elevate his political profile, and sell his books. Raw Story reported this week that Bernie is now a member of the 1% and the journalist wonders how his supporters will view him now, and whether he’ll continue to rage against the wealthy. I’m gonna be sick if I don’t stop. Gah! Sanders turns my stomach sour and makes me want to puke.

Indeed and I felt this way with him supporting my candidate of choice.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:41:35pm

re: #75 majii

Gah! Sanders turns my stomach sour and makes me want to puke.

Right there with you, sister. His behavior and actions after Super Tuesday have been, how shall we say, deplorable.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:42:48pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

Right there with you, sister. His behavior and actions after Super Tuesday have been, how shall we say, deplorable.

They’re already talking about running him in 2020. Because America wants two seventy plus year old white guys guys going at it.

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EPR-radar  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:43:22pm

re: #75 majii

Sanders has done two things I can’t forgive:

1) He let his primary campaign vs. Clinton get way too destructive on a personal level, which probably made a difference in the 2016 general election.

2) He fucked up the anti-plutocracy message for at least the next 20-30 years.

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:43:41pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Perriello is giving a great concession speech. Thanks Tom. Thanks for getting me back involved again and thanks for showing what being a progressive is all about.

I think you’ll appreciate this tweet. Thanks for all you did for Tom—and even more for having a positive attitude even when your number one candidate fell short. I say this as a compliment—YOU ARE A REAL DEMOCRAT!

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majii  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:45:38pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

“I think that is in play. He may think he needs healthcare legislation to win the hearts of America and get everyone to forget about Russia and his grifting. So, some people may be advising him this is a way to save his butt. Like Jared and Ivanka.”

What I really don’t get is Trump asking for more funding for healthcare while promising that Americans’ premiums will decrease and more people will be insured. His brain’s off track if he fails to understand that reducing revenue by giving huge tax cuts to the wealthy while borrowing more money to prop up his failure of a healthcare plan will increase the deficit.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:46:44pm

re: #80 BeachDem

I was *ahem* quite restrained in my reply.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:46:50pm

re: #80 BeachDem

I think you’ll appreciate this tweet. Thanks for all you did for Tom—and even more for having a positive attitude even when your number one candidate fell short. I say this as a compliment—YOU ARE A REAL DEMOCRAT!

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I went 0 for 2 tonight. Delegate candidate I backed lost too. And hey you’re welcome. I met a lot of great people doing this and I have no regrets. Disappointed, yes but I’m really fucking tired of him always doing this shit and I hope Tom shuns him as a result. I doubt he will but he should and I think everyone should because his My way is the only way attitude is fucking repulsive.

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Weaselone  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:50:10pm

re: #29 ObserverArt

I guess that goes against that tweeting this morning saying the Dems were gonna let the legislation go through as long as they get some sanctions against Russia.

This morning’s tweet had the odor of rodent copulators. It mentioned the filibuster, but I was fairly certain that the legislation was being done in such a way as to avoid the filibuster.

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majii  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:52:22pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

“They’re already talking about running him in 2020.”

As a black female, I wouldn’t advise Bernie to do that, or the Democratic Party to permit him to use our infrastructure again to run another presidential campaign. Bernie doesn’t seem to understand that when he “reached out” to “poor, suffering, working class voters,” he offended a lot of Democrats, including black females. It’s true that I don’t know them all, but I’ve talked with a lot of them about Bernie here in GA, and the usual response I’ve received has been: “He needs to sit his ass down.” Black females will take former VP Biden over Sanders any day, and he needs to know this. We supported Clinton over him, and the majority of us will support Mr. Biden over him. He may think he’s a Democratic Party sensation, but he must be informed that alienating key groups of Democratic voters won’t get him in the WH. I know a conman when I see one.

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Brian J.  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:54:31pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

I was *ahem* quite restrained in my reply.

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That IS restrained considering. I wonder if the Neu Volkischer Beobachter will notice that yet another BernieBro got kacked last night (albeit with more grace than most). Somehow I doubt it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:55:21pm

re: #85 majii

“They’re already talking about running him in 2020.”

As a black female, I wouldn’t advise Bernie to do that, or the Democratic Party to permit him to use our infrastructure again to run another presidential campaign. Bernie doesn’t seem to understand that when he “reached out” to “poor, suffering, working class voters,” he offended a lot of Democrats, including black females. It’s true that I don’t know them all, but I’ve talked with a lot of them about Bernie here in GA, and the usual response I’ve received has been: “He needs to sit his ass down.” Black females will take former VP Biden over Sanders any day, and he needs to know this. We supported Clinton over him, and the majority of us will support Mr. Biden over him. He may think he’s a Democratic Party sensation, but he must be informed that alienating key groups of Democratic voters won’t get him in the WH. I know a conman when I see one.

His problem and his supporters is that they think everyone loves him or if they don’t, they must be an establishment hack. Gosh I forget the lady’s name but she basically said that Sanders is like a bad dinner guest that constantly complains about your food. My BBs in my TL immediately bashed her and called for her removal. Meanwhile, they’re fine with Sanders crapping on everyone. But you know what pisses me off most is how Sanders has become the “Millenial” candidate. I mean yeah alot of us did support him but as you can point out, it was much more closer in minority communities.” I don’t have much love for Sanders given the way he portrays himself and others. I once respected him. Now, I see him as a jerk.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:57:08pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:58:24pm

Kamala Harris / Al Franken 2020

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 6:59:01pm

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

Kamala Harris / Al Franken 2020

Nice.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:00:17pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:00:24pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

But you know what pisses me off most is how Sanders has become the “Millenial” candidate.

They call him that because he’s 1000 years old.

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:01:05pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Corey Stewart makes George Allen look like George Marshall. He’s that bad. I’m hoping that if he somehow wins, Gillespie refuses to endorse him or vice versa.

The best news is the turnout—@550,000 for the Dems @350,000 for the Reps—hope that trend continues in the general.

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Brian J.  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:01:26pm

re: #92 stpaulbear

They call him that because he’s 1000 years old.

I’d much rather vote for the 2000 Year Old Man.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:02:05pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:02:40pm

re: #93 BeachDem

The best news is the turnout—@550,000 for the Dems @350,000 for the Reps—hope that trend continues in the general.

Oh yeah for sure. My precinct, very Republican had more Dems today. I know that’s shocking because I’m an elite blue stater wink wink.

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majii  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:04:19pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

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caseyjr  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:04:28pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Meanwhile on the GOP side of the primary…

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VA Republican turnout was really poor.

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scottslemmons  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:06:39pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

Captain Cuck lost. Whew!

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That’s bizarre. Stewart shouldn’t have come anywhere close…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:06:59pm

re: #97 majii

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Dave In Austin  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:07:29pm

Owl Break…….

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:07:36pm

re: #99 scottslemmons

That’s bizarre. Stewart shouldn’t have come anywhere close…

Fuckface Von Clownstick’s brand of Republicanism is very popular among active Republicans.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:07:46pm

Hey all.

I’ve been more of a lurker/thread catcher-upper-onner over the past couple of weeks. Even though school is out, June tends to be a bit busy in a normal summer. This summer not quite as normal.

My wife just got back from Costa Rica after being there the past two weeks. She helped to chaparone a group of High School students doing research on leafcutter ants in the rainforest there. So I had the chance to play Daddy-Day-Care and get both boys to all the everywheres they need to be.(For anyone who has played, or had kids play super competitive summer baseball, you know how much time it takes)
Costa Rica Seeds of Change Research

And now everyone should be jealous of my wife. After being home for only a few days from Costa Rica(fun went along with the research), the two of us are on our way to a resort in the Dominican Republic on Saturday. I appreciate the discussion and observations of this community. And Jeff Sessions can fuck right the fuck off every fucking cliff all the way to hell.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:07:51pm

re: #98 caseyjr

VA Republican turnout was really poor.

Yep. The Republicans were at the precinct from 6-8 AM and the Republican lady that was there this evening was getting signatures for our state delegate’s favorite gripe, Metro funding.

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MsJ  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:07:59pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:08:41pm

A low turn out did help Stewart but at the same time, you’re going to see this as an argument for a convention in 2021 and someone like Stewart or maybe even Corey himself will be the nominee then.

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:08:48pm

Just a heads up. Senator Al Franken coming up on MSNBC/Lawrence O’Donnell. He’s going to address Sessions comments about him today in the hearings. Should be interesting.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:09:42pm

re: #105 MsJ

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:09:44pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

A low turn out did help Stewart but at the same time, you’re going to see this as an argument for a convention in 2021 and someone like Stewart or maybe even Corey himself will be the nominee then.

People are underestimating just how much the disgusting racist sexist rhetoric resonates in the deepest psyche of the Republican base. They may not admit it to themselves, or to their friends and family, but it underpins all of their social interactions.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:10:31pm

re: #107 ObserverArt

Just a heads up. Senator Al Franken coming up on MSNBC/Lawrence O’Donnell. He’s going to address Sessions comments about him today in the hearings. Should be interesting.

One thing I enjoy about the wild north country: Our current crop of Senators pull no punches. They make great air time.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:11:36pm

Can you see it?

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majii  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:12:09pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:13:28pm

Dumber than a bag of hammers.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:13:31pm

These Lubbock conservatives, led by Dr. Donald May, seem to belong to several cults at once.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:13:58pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:13:58pm

re: #111 teleskiguy

Can you see it?

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Urban LGF member.

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majii  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:14:08pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:14:45pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

These Lubbock conservatives, led by Dr. Donald May, seem to belong to several cults at once.

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Dear Donald May, you fuckwads said the same thing about Obama. Stop lying ot people, you rancid piece of shit.

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retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:14:55pm

re: #111 teleskiguy

Can you see it?

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Yep! Sure took me a minute!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:16:33pm

re: #117 majii

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:16:41pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

I went 0 for 2 tonight. Delegate candidate I backed lost too. And hey you’re welcome. I met a lot of great people doing this and I have no regrets. Disappointed, yes but I’m really fucking tired of him always doing this shit and I hope Tom shuns him as a result. I doubt he will but he should and I think everyone should because his My way is the only way attitude is fucking repulsive.

It’s painful when your candidate loses—I definitely know the feeling. I was looking at my ActBlue Account, and of all the candidates I’d given money to through ActBlue, Maggie Hassan is the only one who won an election. And that’s not counting the candidates I’ve given to directly, or held fundraisers for, or phonebanked or…well you get the point.

But we can’t stop. I keep telling myself that there are people like Bakari Sellers on the horizon, and we have to do what we can to make things hopeful for a candidate like him when he decides to run again.

Two bright spots for me this week. Thursday, we’re having our annual dinner to celebrate our scholarship winners from my Dem women’s group. High school seniors—and they totally get it (it’s an essay contest, and these kids are amazing.)

Then on Friday, we’re having an organizing meeting for Emerge South Carolina, part of EmergeAmerica that now has organizations in 20 states to recruit, train and provide a network for Democratic women to run for office.

Bernie’s “revolutionaries” run their mouths while these women run an organization that actually gets women elected to office.

emergeamerica.org

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:17:21pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:17:30pm

re: #111 teleskiguy

El Gecko!!

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:19:07pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

His problem and his supporters is that they think everyone loves him or if they don’t, they must be an establishment hack. Gosh I forget the lady’s name but she basically said that Sanders is like a bad dinner guest that constantly complains about your food. My BBs in my TL immediately bashed her and called for her removal. Meanwhile, they’re fine with Sanders crapping on everyone. But you know what pisses me off most is how Sanders has become the “Millenial” candidate. I mean yeah alot of us did support him but as you can point out, it was much more closer in minority communities.” I don’t have much love for Sanders given the way he portrays himself and others. I once respected him. Now, I see him as a jerk.

If I hear them quote that one “Bernie’s the most popular politician” poll ONE MORE TIME. Arrgggh.

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:20:12pm

re: #124 BeachDem

He’s the most popular pol that people won’t vote for.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:20:28pm

re: #124 BeachDem

If I hear them quote that one “Bernie’s the most popular politician” poll ONE MORE TIME. Arrgggh.

I thought of you when I saw one of them bitch about how the Ohio Dems “brushed aside” Nina Turner. Yeah because her 35% of the vote in her last state run just inspires so much confidence.

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majii  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:21:07pm

re: #105 MsJ

re: #105 MsJ

re: #105 MsJ

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:21:20pm

re: #125 Skip Intro

He’s the most popular pol that people won’t vote for.

He’s the most popular pol in his own mind. That’s the thing. And you know what, it pains me to say this but there’s a lot about Sanders that reminds me of what I disliked most about Cruz and Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:22:27pm

re: #127 majii

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:22:46pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:23:36pm

re: #37 nowherenorth2

I see it. I also see people looking for answers to questions you cant answer easily and trump did that. He demonized people to answer as to why we have these problems.

I am from massena ny, close to Canada and the akwasasne Mohawk reservation.

Trumps actions and his words have brought an ugliness to the foreground where problems are blamed on the group he says is the problem.

In our poor impovershed destitute area that wants answers it is two things: politicians(they don’t get you) and foreigners (they cause the terrorism, specifically Muslims).

It is scary. Really scary. And they believe it. One guy said fox new is the most believable news site and the only honest new site.

Another trump support though love trump (undid Obama’s laws) but hates Betsy devos as he is a teacher andshe will destroy our education system.

Nothing seem black and white sometimes

Welcome to my world.

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:23:53pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah for sure. My precinct, very Republican had more Dems today. I know that’s shocking because I’m an elite blue stater wink wink.

Hey—I’m true coastal elite (red by dog state, but I DO live close to the coast.)

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:24:53pm

re: #45 Teukka

Indeed. A cue should be taken from cult deprogrammers when it comes to extremists.

extremists are cult members —they have been brainwashed/conditioned/groomed exactly the same way.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:26:34pm

re: #130 BeachDem

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:27:00pm

re: #132 BeachDem

Hey—I’m true coastal elite (red by dog state, but I DO live close to the coast.)

Hahaha that’s true and man I wish I lived closer to teh coast.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:27:01pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:28:22pm

re: #136 Kragar

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scottslemmons  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:28:38pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

These Lubbock conservatives, led by Dr. Donald May, seem to belong to several cults at once.

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He started his blog at the Lubbock paper the same time I did. It annoys me endlessly that he’s lasted as long as he has, and that he’s outlasted other excellent local-focus blogs…

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:28:46pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

These Lubbock conservatives, led by Dr. Donald May, seem to belong to several cults at once.

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I have always preferred a tight democracy rather than a loose one. (Has this May guy ever written a post without a typo/spelling error?)

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majii  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:29:31pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:29:49pm

Rant on
My sister in law is an idiot. She bought her mother a laptop two years ago and set up a fancy facial recognition passcode for her. Long story short, My MIL can’t figure out how to activate the facial thingy, and nobody remembers the password, so the laptop is useless. Wouldn’t you know the same SIL buys her mother a new phone and sets her up with some sort of thumbprint activation. That didn’t even last 2 hours. Now she has a phone she can’t use.
Rant off

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:31:41pm

re: #137 teleskiguy

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MsJ  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:31:53pm

re: #127 majii

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:32:06pm

re: #54 Wile E. Coyote’s mom

Don’t know if anyone has posted this beautifully written piece below, but it is a must read.

Sorry I cannot post excerpts from my phone.

lithub.com

Lithub is a fav of mine:

The man in the white house sits, naked and obscene, a pustule of ego, in the harsh light, a man whose grasp exceeded his understanding, because his understanding was dulled by indulgence.

What an excellent writer!

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:32:28pm

re: #142 Kragar

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:33:39pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I thought of you when I saw one of them bitch about how the Ohio Dems “brushed aside” Nina Turner. Yeah because her 35% of the vote in her last state run just inspires so much confidence.

Brushed aside? They were ready to hand her the keys to the castle—made her leadership, groomed her, encouraged her—then she first decided to run in a statewide race she had no chance of winning and after that, dumped Ohio flat so she could run her mouth on the Bernie trail. If anything, she spit in their faces and told them it was raining.

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scottslemmons  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:33:45pm

re: #141 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Rant on
My sister in law is an idiot. She bought her mother a laptop two years ago and set up a fancy facial recognition passcode for her. Long story short, My MIL can’t figure out how to activate the facial thingy, and nobody remembers the password, so the laptop is useless. Wouldn’t you know the same SIL buys her mother a new phone and sets her up with some sort of thumbprint activation. That didn’t even last 2 hours. Now she has a phone she can’t use.
Rant off

Could y’all take the phone back to the store and ask them to help unlock it? Your SiL should be on the record as the purchaser, and they might be willing to help unlock it and set up a passcode easier for your mother-in-law to use…

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:34:04pm

I found this book (and I expect the whole series) by Rebecca Solnit and another to be excellent.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:34:22pm

What annoyed me is how he got other Democrats labeled as “establishment” or insufficently progressive because they didn’t support him. I saw it as a sign that he had so few support from his fellow Congressmen and women to be honest. These people deal with Presidents and they concldued that Sanders was not presidential material with few exceptions. 12 years ago I would have been a staunch Sanders supporter- I was a huge Kucinich supporter back then but I’ve grown since then. Unfortunately, some people I knew all those years ago had not and that’s why I kind of resent the image of the dumb Bernie kid. He’s got a lot of foolish older people who fell for his nonsense too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:35:07pm

re: #146 BeachDem

Brushed aside? They were ready to hand her the keys to the castle—made her leadership, groomed her, encouraged her—then she first decided to run in a statewide race she had no chance of winning and after that, dumped Ohio flat so she could run her mouth on the Bernie trail. If anything, she spit in their faces and told them it was raining.

Believe me, I would have pointed that out but I didn’t want to be attacked by Sanders bots for having the nerve to criticize one of his disciples.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:35:30pm

That’s exactly why I seldom comment on other people’s Facebook political bs.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:35:40pm
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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:38:02pm

re: #101 Dave In Austin

Owl Break…….

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I always think their neck movements are a form of words. And I wonder what they are saying.

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scottslemmons  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:39:37pm

re: #153 Birth Control Works

I always think their neck movements are a form of words. And I wonder what they are saying.

Probably not much. I understand owls are actually pretty dim. :/

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:39:58pm

re: #65 Scout

HappyWarrior,

I really admire you for volunteering and helping out the campaign. You’re really doing something.

All I ever do is donate.

Me too!

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:40:00pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

I think fire, wooden stakes, and silver bullets would be more effective.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:41:41pm

re: #154 scottslemmons

Probably not much. I understand owls are actually pretty dim. :/

Not like crows, heh?

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retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:42:06pm

re: #154 scottslemmons

Probably not much. I understand owls are actually pretty dim. :/

That’s what I learned from watching the owl trainers on Harry Potter. However, as my husband would have said, they are smarter at being owls than we are.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:42:26pm

re: #147 scottslemmons

Gonna have to. Don’t know why they made something so complicated for her in the first place.

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:42:41pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:43:48pm

re: #156 Skip Intro

I think fire, wooden stakes, and silver bullets would be more effective.

We’re going to need the Colt, a Kurdish demon killing dagger, and Bobby’s machine gun with the angel blade bullets

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:45:23pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:45:37pm

re: #143 MsJ

Here’s an interesting thread contrasting Bernie with Corbyn, spelling out why the latter was always the more credible and effective lefty:

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:46:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:48:33pm

re: #160 BeachDem

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Birth Control Works  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:48:34pm

off 2 photoshop

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Dave In Austin  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:49:37pm

re: #153 Birth Control Works

I always think their neck movements are a form of words. And I wonder what they are saying.

I was wondering about that myself so I looked it up. Most all birds of prey have fixed eyeballs. Their eyes do not move in the sockets like ours. The head movements is a triangulation for them to determine the location of an object. Once they lock on…..

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:49:45pm

re: #156 Skip Intro

I think fire, wooden stakes, and silver bullets would be more effective.

A one-way trip to the Pinelands, locked in the trunk of an old Caddy, for a little “shallow mining”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:50:26pm

Thanks everyone for the kind words. I’ve met a lot of great people doing the campaign work and I have no plans to quit. I feel more comfortable talking to people than i have too. I still get nervous but I’m better than I was when I started and miles ahead of where i was when I did this in college. I dreaded going door to door and making phone calls in those days. I still don’t like it honestly but I realize now that most people are qutie nice and happy to listen and if not, well that’s on them not me.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:52:47pm

Serious tower block fire

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retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:53:25pm

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

Serious tower block fire

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OMG!

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:55:17pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

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scottslemmons  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:55:18pm

re: #157 Birth Control Works

Not like crows, heh?

Crows and parrots — I was reading something a few days ago about someone’s parrot playing pranks on the family dog.

Parrot: “Ding dong!”
Dog: (goes to raise hell at the front door)
Parrot: (loud, obnoxious, I-know-what-I-did laughter)

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 7:58:28pm
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BigPapa  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:01:06pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

Um… are they putting cocoa leaves on their pictures? Not sure if good…

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:04:23pm

re: #171 retired cynic

OMG!

Yeah.
I expect some equally serious question should be asked.
A building shouldn’t burn like that

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Bass Reeves  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:05:58pm

re: #173 scottslemmons

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retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:06:02pm

re: #176 FormerDirtDart

Yeah.
I expect some equally serious question should be asked.
A building shouldn’t burn like that

And like I hope the evacuation was already complete, when they said they were issuing evacuation orders!

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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:07:03pm

re: #162 Birth Control Works

BABY ELEPHANT!!!!!

Baby Elephant Walk

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:07:20pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Believe me, I would have pointed that out but I didn’t want to be attacked by Sanders bots for having the nerve to criticize one of his disciples.

Oh, I hear you. Just venting because Nina Turner gets on my last nerve. Watching after-Berners go to the mat about her and Tulsi Gabbard just indicates to me that the only litmus test that matters to them is love of Bernie.

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Interesting Times  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:10:33pm

Hey, remember an earlier mini-debate about whether it’s a good idea to adopt dogs that failed law enforcement training? I guess it depends on what you want the dog to do:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:10:58pm

re: #180 BeachDem

Oh, I hear you. Just venting because Nina Turner gets on my last nerve. Watching after-Berners go to the mat about her and Tulsi Gabbard just indicates to me that the only litmus test that matters to them is love of Bernie.

Exactly. If she had still supported Clinton, she’d be a neo-lib warhawk who hates Muslims to them but because she backed Bernie, it gets ignored and that’s not right.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:11:30pm

Wildfire in northwest Colorado went from a few acres on Sunday to 18,000 acres today. Yikes.

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TedStriker  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:11:41pm

re: #180 BeachDem

Oh, I hear you. Just venting because Nina Turner gets on my last nerve. Watching after-Berners go to the mat about her and Tulsi Gabbard just indicates to me that the only litmus test that matters to them is love of Bernie.

Like the Trumpsters in the GOP who are continuing to kiss Trump’s ass, even as he and his cronies are doing the shit they’re doing right now, the Bernouts really are a fucking cult of personality.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:11:58pm

re: #178 retired cynic

And like I hope the evacuation was already complete, when they said they were issuing evacuation orders!

Seeing tweets reporting people trapped, and building in danger of collapse.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:13:04pm

re: #184 TedStriker

Like the Trumpsters in the GOP who are continuing to kiss Trump’s ass, even as he’s doing the shit he’s doing right now, the Bernouts really are a fucking cult of personality.

As I said, there’s a lot about Sanders that really is a lot like Trump. I did not see it at first and I’ll still defend Sanders over the comparisions to Hugo Chavez that the numbskulls at NRO made but Sanders does have a lot of unlikable things about him that his supporters ignore at their own peril.

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retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:13:13pm

re: #185 FormerDirtDart

Seeing tweets reporting people trapped, and building in danger of collapse.

Oh, no, no….

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:14:41pm

re: #181 Interesting Times

Hey, remember an earlier mini-debate about whether it’s a good idea to adopt dogs that failed law enforcement training? I guess it depends on what you want the dog to do:

[Embedded content]

I see a Disney/Pixar movie all over that story

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:15:27pm

I just don’t want liberalism/progressivism to be about what one man wants. As I said over the past winter, what I found about Bernie’s vision despite the talk was from inclusionary. If you’re someone who works for a bank but holds socially liberal views, you’re an enemy in Bernie’s vision for the American left and I must say despite my problems with how the banks are run, that’s not what i want. And I know that kind of rhetoric drives people nuts. The fact of the matter is the way I see Sanders talk about bank employees, it really reminds me of what I hate about how Republicans talk about people who work for the Feds.

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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:17:27pm

Ugh. There’s an ugly line of thunderstorms moving into MN from the SW. That whole quadrant of the state is under a tornado watch. The watch doesn’t include the Twin Cities yet, but it’s on the way. Lots of severe thunderstorm warnings on the west border, but it doesn’t look like there are any active tornado warnings right now. It’s still 80 degrees at 10:17.

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TedStriker  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:19:15pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

I just don’t want liberalism/progressivism to be about what one man wants. As I said over the past winter, what I found about Bernie’s vision despite the talk was from inclusionary. If you’re someone who works for a bank but holds socially liberal views, you’re an enemy in Bernie’s vision for the American left and I must say despite my problems with how the banks are run, that’s not what i want. And I know that kind of rhetoric drives people nuts. The fact of the matter is the way I see Sanders talk about bank employees, it really reminds me of what I hate about how Republicans talk about people who work for the Feds.

The same condition tends to affect both Trumpsters and Bernouts: they all tend to see the world (and everything in it) as black-and-white, cut-and-dry, no deviations, which leads to the same charge of “if you’re not with us, you’re against us”

It’s fucking narrow-minded, unenlightened bullshit that tends to hurt much more than it helps.

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retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:19:19pm

re: #190 stpaulbear

Ugh. There’s an ugly line of thunderstorms moving into MN from the SW. That whole quadrant of the state is under a tornado watch. The watch doesn’t include the Twin Cities yet, but it’s on the way. Lots of severe thunderstorm warnings on the west border, but it doesn’t look like there are any active tornado warnings right now. It’s still 80 degrees at 10:17.

I hope you’re safe. It’s well over 80 here, at the same time, and very sultry. Wind has died down. Nothing on radar, and while I would not say no to rain, we sure don’t need strong storms.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:19:59pm

Anybody that didn’t escape that building in London is already dead. This is going to be ghastly and sad situation.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:20:23pm

re: #191 TedStriker

Much of the same condition affects both Trumpsters and Bernouts: they all tend to see the world (and everything in it) as black-and-white, cut-and-dry, no deviations, which leads to the same charge of “if you’re not with us, you’re against us”

It’s fucking narrow-minded, unenlightened bull shit that tends to hurt much more than it helps.

Exactly and man I hate seeing that from the left. It’s easy to dismiss BoBers as ratfucekrs or Russian bots but a lot are sincere lefties. They’re wrong IMO but it would be foolish to just dismiss them as mere ratfucks.

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:20:25pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

As I said, there’s a lot about Sanders that really is a lot like Trump. I did not see it at first and I’ll still defend Sanders over the comparisions to Hugo Chavez that the numbskulls at NRO made but Sanders does have a lot of unlikable things about him that his supporters ignore at their own peril.

And the most unlikable thing about him is his supporters.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:22:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:22:52pm

re: #195 BeachDem

And the most unlikable thing about him is his supporters.

Indeed.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:23:40pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:26:04pm

The scene at the London tower fire is horrifying. My god.

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retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:26:09pm

re: #198 teleskiguy

Looks like deep night time over there… worst possible.

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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:29:52pm

re: #198 teleskiguy

Link to live coverage. The sun is up in London now. The fire is still raging on some floors.

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Wile E. Coyote's mom  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:30:03pm

re: #148 Birth Control Works

Thank you. I put it on my wish list although I doubt if I will get it. But if it is there I will remember to grab it when I am not destituting myself donating to politicians, lol

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:30:25pm
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Belafon  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:30:32pm

Seeing reports of 200 firefighters responding.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:30:42pm

Rosie goes all troofer. What a loathsome tub of lard.

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calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:33:18pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

Rosie goes all troofer. What a loathsome tub of lard.

[Embedded content]

And her point is? Was it supposed to go up like a papier mache model?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:34:49pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

Rosie goes all troofer. What a loathsome tub of lard.

[Embedded content]

Never been fond of her TBH.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:35:46pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:38:43pm

re: #201 stpaulbear

Link to live coverage. The sun is up in London now. The fire is still raging on some floors.

It’s 4:30ish in the morning in London right now

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:40:46pm


This is really bad.

[edited, removed some hyperbole]

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:41:14pm

Man poor London.

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calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:42:10pm

re: #210 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Hundreds, perhaps thousands of casualties. This is really bad.

Really shocking that something like that could happen in a modern building.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:43:51pm

re: #208 Kragar

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We will eventually have children dying in Afghanistan born after 9/11.

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retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:45:57pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

We will eventually have children dying in Afghanistan born after 9/11.

Ours, you mean, of course. They’ve already had plenty of theirs. :<

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Teukka  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:46:03pm

re: #203 jaunte

[Embedded content]

re: #210 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Hundreds, perhaps thousands of casualties. This is really bad.

120 units. Fire apparently started on 2nd floor.

Sky News Live

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:46:10pm

re: #210 teleskiguy

I fear the worst. The fire became out of control in the middle of the night, when people are sleeping.

14 June in London is a date which will live in infamy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:47:49pm

re: #214 retired cynic

Ours, you mean, of course. They’ve already had plenty of theirs. :<

Yeah of course.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:50:50pm

re: #210 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Hundreds, perhaps thousands of casualties. This is really bad.

I’m reading the building has 120 apartments. It would be highly unlikely to see casualties in the “hundreds”, let alone “thousands”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:51:41pm

re: #210 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Hundreds, perhaps thousands of casualties. This is really bad.

As a wild guess, I’m going to say the fire suppression systems were compromised or inactive.

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Interesting Times  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:52:11pm

re: #212 calochortus

Really shocking that something like that could happen in a modern building.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:52:18pm

re: #215 Teukka

re: #218 FormerDirtDart

Edited my comment. Thanks.

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calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:53:46pm

re: #220 Interesting Times

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Wow.

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calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:54:44pm

Freepers are blaming…wait for it…Muslims!

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Interesting Times  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:54:58pm

re: #222 calochortus

Wow.

Good grief…talk about prophetic in the worst possible way - the blog post is from last year:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:55:04pm

Pre: #223 calochortus

Freepers are blaming…wait for it…Muslims!

Wish I could be shocked.

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calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:55:39pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

P

Wish I could be shocked.

Don’t we all.

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calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:55:56pm

re: #224 Interesting Times

Yeah, I saw the date.

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scottslemmons  Jun 13, 2017 • 8:58:24pm

re: #177 Bass Reeves

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:01:51pm

At one point do you bring in helicopters equipped with a water drop bucket on a conflagration like this?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:02:08pm

re: #198 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

This brings back memories of May 4 1988 when my Mom called me at 130 in the morning asking if I was OK. She couldn’t sleep and she put on the TV, watching CNN cover the fire in the First Interstate Bank Building in Downtown LA. I still remember how worried she was and it took a good half hour to calm her down and let her know I was more than 35 blocks away from it. I do remember going outside and looking at it and HOLY CRAP! I thought it was The Towering Inferno in real life!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:03:15pm

re: #210 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

This is really bad.

[edited, removed some hyperbole]

DAMN! Irwin Allen didn’t even come close to the Real Thing. Am hoping folks got out OK!

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calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:03:35pm

re: #229 teleskiguy

At one point do you bring in helicopters equipped with a water drop bucket on a conflagration like this?

Would London have one of those handy?

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:04:21pm

re: #232 calochortus

Would London have one of those handy?

Good point.

234
wheat-dogg  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:04:31pm

re: #232 calochortus

Would London have one of those handy?

Surely the national government would

235
retired cynic  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:05:08pm

It sounds as though this is subsidized housing, and that if regulations were not being followed, there could be a lot of poor people, in every sense of the word, that were jammed in there. Tears.

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calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:06:03pm

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Surely the national government would

Normally I think they’re used for wildfires, so they might not have one close enough. And I have no idea what difficulties would be presented using one in an urban setting.

237
Scout  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:06:29pm

The British people in my office are almost in shock over this fire.

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Jay C  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:07:14pm

re: #224 Interesting Times

Good grief…talk about prophetic in the worst possible way - the blog post is from last year:

[Embedded content]

And it closes with a “can’t say they weren’t warned” . Horrible. It sounds like the building management is some sort of governmental (municipal?) agency: Wouldn’t want to be their PR person now…

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:07:39pm

re: #236 calochortus

Normally I think they’re used for wildfires, so they might not have one close enough. And I have no idea what difficulties would be presented using one in an urban setting.

And water weighs a lot. Drop a bunch on the building, it could further damage the building, and the water and whatever it breaks free could go flying in random directions.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:08:20pm

It’s been s tough past month for England- Manchester, the stabbings, & now this.

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Teukka  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:09:26pm

re: #238 Jay C

And it closes with a “can’t say they weren’t warned” . Horrible. It sounds like the building management is some sort of governmental (municipal?) agency: Wouldn’t want to be their PR person now…

Yah. Landlord is more than likely defecating building materials right now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:10:03pm

re: #237 Scout

The British people in my office are almost in shock over this fire.

I’m just getting a flashback of the 1988 First Interstate Bank fire here in LA.

Just hoping everyone got out OK!

243
teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:10:25pm

So fucking scary. My god. Like Joe Bacon sais, it’s The Towering Inferno IRL. Getting bad 9/11 flashbacks, watching that horror on TV as it was happening.

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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:11:03pm

re: #230 Joe Bacon

This brings back memories of May 4 1988 when my Mom called me at 130 in the morning asking if I was OK. She couldn’t sleep and she put on the TV, watching CNN cover the fire in the First Interstate Bank Building in Downtown LA. I still remember how worried she was and it took a good half hour to calm her down and let her know I was more than 35 blocks away from it. I do remember going outside and looking at it and HOLY CRAP! I thought it was The Towering Inferno in real life!

I felt like your mom on the day that the I-35W bridge collapsed in Minneapolis. My sister worked downtown and commuted via 35. It felt so good to hear her voice when she answered the phone.

245
Teukka  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:12:28pm

Over/under on DJT calling this a false flag besmirching his former field of business? semi-///

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:13:44pm

re: #245 Teukka

Over/under on DJT calling this a false flag besmirching his former field of business? semi-///

I’m waiting for his “Radical Islamic Terrorism” tweets in 5…4…3…2…1…

247
HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:14:00pm

re: #245 Teukka

Over/under on DJT calling this a false flag besmirching his former field of business? semi-///

You know Alex Jones will add his much needed commentary.//

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:14:06pm

re: #198 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

I don’t think so.

What are the most recent reports?

249
FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:16:08pm

I’m sure Pres* trump will take credit…

250
teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:16:40pm

I hope I’m wrong. Live video.

251
MsJ  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:17:56pm

re: #248 Stanley Sea

I don’t think so.

What are the most recent reports?

Buzzfeed has a video of people on the top two floors flashing their lights on and off. I don’t see any way to reach them. It’s horrifying.

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calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:20:05pm

re: #251 MsJ

Buzzfeed has a video of people on the top two floors flashing their lights on and off. I don’t see any way to reach them. It’s horrifying.

That prophetic blog post from last year that was posted above mentions that the residents were instructed to stay in their apartments if there was a fire. The mind boggles.

253
thecommodore  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:22:14pm

Pat Buchanan asks, are we nearing civil war?
cnsnews.com

254
Teukka  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:22:43pm

re: #253 thecommodore

Pat Buchanan asks, are we nearing civil war?
cnsnews.com

Christ…
*headdesks*

255
MsJ  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:23:16pm

re: #252 calochortus

That prophetic blog post from last year that was posted above mentions that the residents were instructed to stay in their apartments if there was a fire. The mind boggles.

I’m sure nobody anticipated it being fully engulfed like that. Still. No way I’d stay put. None.

How could a building that tall not have sprinkler systems in every apartment and hallway? Completely boggles the mind.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:23:20pm

re: #250 teleskiguy

I don’t care what anybody says. This video is a live mass casualty situation. Sad beyond belief.

*closes window of video*

:(

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Jay C  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:24:25pm

re: #220 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

re: #224 Interesting Times

According to a link in that tenants’ group site, the Grenfell Tower was “built in the 1970s”, and recently had an £8MM (?) renovation. It seemed to be a fairly thorough gut-out, and, besides the low standards of modern British construction, I’m guessing that there may have been some wiring/plumbing/HVAC work left undone, or badly done that sparked the fire. And the bad management practices the group was complaining about probably didn’t help.
Here in NYC, our building management co. regularly send the residents fire-safety material: I usually glance at it and file it or toss it: I think I’ll change my practice from now on.

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MsJ  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:24:30pm

re: #253 thecommodore

Pat Buchanan asks, are we nearing civil war?
cnsnews.com

I don’t think Pat’s Crusade will turn out how he envisions it. ASSHOLE.

259
calochortus  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:27:57pm

I guess I’ll say good night.

Hasta mañana, Lizards. Stay safe.

260
mmmirele  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:28:00pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

I don’t care what anybody says. This video is a live mass casualty situation. Sad beyond belief.

*closes window of video*

:(

I closed the window too and put on some soothing music. I didn’t want to start seeing repeats of what we saw on September 11.

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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:31:42pm

re: #257 Jay C

According to a link in that tenants’ group site, the Grenfell Tower was “built in the 1970s”, and recently had an £8MM (?) renovation. It seemed to be a fairly thorough gut-out, and, besides the low standards of modern British construction, I’m guessing that there may have been some wiring/plumbing/HVAC work left undone, or badly done that sparked the fire. And the bad management practices the group was complaining about probably didn’t help.
Here in NYC, our building management co. regularly send the residents fire-safety material: I usually glance at it and file it or toss it: I think I’ll change my practice from now on.

I heard an interview of a guy on one of the lower floors who described what sounded like an ‘appliance explosion’ in the flat next to his. He knew right away that he should get out.

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MsJ  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:32:55pm

Updates. A woman live tweeting as she was trapped (she got out).

postperhour.com

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TedStriker  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:46:20pm

re: #230 Joe Bacon

This brings back memories of May 4 1988 when my Mom called me at 130 in the morning asking if I was OK. She couldn’t sleep and she put on the TV, watching CNN cover the fire in the First Interstate Bank Building in Downtown LA. I still remember how worried she was and it took a good half hour to calm her down and let her know I was more than 35 blocks away from it. I do remember going outside and looking at it and HOLY CRAP! I thought it was The Towering Inferno in real life!

Although firefighting has advanced a lot in the 43 years since The Towering Inferno came out, this bit about high-rise firefighting is still pretty much true:

Chief O’Halloran: Now you know there’s no sure way for us to fight a fire in any place above the seventh floor, but you guys just keep building them as high as you can.

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covfefe  Jun 13, 2017 • 10:14:24pm

If I lived in a high rise, I’d have parachutes for my family and I. Not kidding.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:13:55am

re: #254 Teukka

I don’t know, Pat. What do your close friends in “Third Rome” Moscow, who according to you are leading the God-sanctioned war against “Western Hedonism” say?


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Funding Restrictions Have Made Gun Violence Researchers Get Creative A study published Thursday concludes that a subsequent increase in gun exposure led to more accidental firearm deaths than otherwise would have occurred in the months after the school shooting. "It was the spike [in sales] itself that sort ...
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Recycling Chaos in U.S. As China Bans ‘Foreign Waste’ Like many Portland residents, Satish and Arlene Palshikar are serious recyclers. Their house is coated with recycled bluish-white paint. They recycle their rainwater, compost their food waste and carefully separate the paper and plastic they toss out. But recently, ...
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Trump Jerusalem Move: Tear Gas at Lebanon US Embassy Protest There have been violent clashes near the US embassy in Lebanon, in the latest protest against President Donald Trump's decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Security forces fired tear gas and water cannon to force back ...
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Trump Says He and Trudeau Disagree on Trade Deficit. U.S. Stats Seem to Be on the PM’s SideHair Furor just can't seem to catch a break these days....Despite Trump's insistence the U.S. has a trade deficit with Canada, statistics from the website of the office of the U.S. Trade Representative -- the office handling NAFTA negotiations -- ...
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Blondie - Doom or Destiny (Official Video)Blondie performing "Doom or Destiny" from the new album "Pollinator".Out Now: blondie.lnk.to Follow Blondiefacebook.cominstagram.com@BlondieOfficial vevo.ly
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