Former Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort Belatedly Files as Foreign Agent for Ukraine Work: $17M

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The Washington Post has another huge piece of the puzzle tonight, as Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort retroactively files as a foreign agent for his pro-Russia work in Ukraine.

A consulting firm led by Paul Manafort, who chaired Donald Trump’s presidential campaign for several months last year, retroactively filed forms Tuesday showing that his firm received $17.1 million over two years from a political party that dominated Ukraine before its leader fled to Russia in 2014.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:16:42pm

Oh, that 17 million dollar deal? I fergot!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:18:04pm
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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:18:17pm

Remember what Comey said - foreign agents registering late is a way to ‘clean up’ their obligations.

Maybe Manafort has flipped.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:18:20pm

Anyone among us can forget a $17 million deal with the pro-Russian party in Ukraine. Those kinds of things are so fleeting.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:18:59pm

I did some brain surgery. Sadly It went badly for the patient. However I did apply for a retroactive medical licence to do surgery, so it’s all good, right?/

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:20:42pm
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Kragar  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:21:56pm

Its not treason if you declare it years later before they file charges!
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wheat-dogg  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:21:59pm

I wish I could say I forgot about a $17 million deal. Never seen that much money in my life.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:22:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:23:31pm

re: #9 Kragar

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Well he did claim to be Swedish. So fact chcek calls this mostly mostly true. //

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:23:38pm

This makes James Miles Kilometers O’Keefe’s attack on CNN last night all the more suspicious. IMO.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:23:42pm

Gods damnit….

Michael Nyqvist has died of lung cancer. He was 56.

His best known roles? He was the Russian mob boss in John Wick (a great flick IMO), and was in the Swedish version of Girl with the Dragon Tattoo triology.

RIP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:25:44pm

If I could die without ever hearing the word “neoliberal” again, I’d die happy. Too many damn lefty assholes use it because they don’t like where the Democratic Party is going.

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:27:22pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:27:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:28:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:29:15pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good grief. Always sounding like a child.

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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:29:29pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

Where did you get that lovely spatula?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:30:43pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:30:43pm

re: #18 covfefe

And what better way to say ‘I love you’ than with a gift of a spatula.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:31:08pm

re: #18 covfefe

Where did you get that lovely spatula?

SPATULA CITY!!!!

We’re in the White Pages under “spatulas!”

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:31:57pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

IT’S NOT ILLEGAL!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:35:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:36:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:37:21pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hmmmm.

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piratedan  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:40:25pm

re: #11 Myron Falwell

upding for the MST3K reference on the strikethru

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:42:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:43:34pm

re: #27 makeitstop

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Totes vindicated.//

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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:43:56pm

re: #27 makeitstop

Meanwhile, Trump’s lawyers still hired their own lawyers.

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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:45:13pm

Draining that swamp!

EPA chief met with Dow CEO before deciding on pesticide ban

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:45:21pm

I got a feeling this cuts very close to Trump. I can’t see him being smart enough to distance himself from direct involvement.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:45:41pm

re: #30 covfefe

Draining that swamp!

But the two parties are totally the same!

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:47:21pm

Holy crap.

Hours before the White House issued an ominous warning to Syria’s dictator against launching another chemical assault, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson gave the same message to Bashar Assad’s patron in Moscow, The Daily Beast has learned.

According to a knowledgeable senior administration official, Tillerson warned his counterpart, Sergei Lavrov: the U.S. sees that Russia and Syria may be prepping for another chemical weapons attack; and that there will be consequences if Assad follows through with it.

All this occurred this week as President Donald Trump displayed what two White House officials characterized as relative indifference and passivity towards the subject, instead opting to focus his public and private energies towards fuming at his domestic enemies in the Democratic Party and the “fake news.”

“The president cares more about CNN and the Russia story than [Syria] at the moment,” one official observed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:50:22pm

re: #33 makeitstop

Holy crap.

He’s pathetic. He really needs to be removed from office immediately.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:50:54pm

re: #14 makeitstop

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There will be biting.

Oh yes. There *will* be kitteh biting after this unprovoked attack upon sacred Nap Time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:54:22pm
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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:54:56pm

I can’t top this tonight. I just can’t

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:55:10pm

Well, I just jumped on in time to see a massive line of rotating thunderstorms approaching. Severe thunderstorm warning is up for all of the area.

At 746 PM MDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from 6 miles northeast of Lake Minatare to near South
Bayard Junction, moving east at 40 mph.

These are very dangerous storms.

Hazard… 80 mph wind gusts and quarter size hail.

Source… radar indicated.

Impact… flying debris will be dangerous to those caught without
shelter. Mobile homes will be heavily damaged. Expect
considerable damage to roofs, windows, and vehicles.
Extensive tree damage and power outages are likely.

These severe thunderstorms will remain over mainly rural areas of
northeastern Scotts Bluff and northwestern Morrill counties.

I’m in Eastern Morrill. According to NEXRAD radar the storms are thirty minutes away from me. The workers on the water tower have already been told to knock off work and shelter for the evening.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:55:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:56:22pm

re: #37 covfefe

I can’t top this tonight. I just can’t

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It’s a good thing sometimes they’re incompetents.

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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:57:09pm

re: #33 makeitstop

We all know he doesn’t give two shits about anyone in Syria. He only trots out that horse when he’s done something fucking stupid. (every day)

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:58:25pm
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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:58:40pm

re: #26 piratedan

upding for the MST3K reference on the strikethru

“How much Keefe is in this film? Miles O’Keefe!”

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:59:20pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:00:24pm

729 PM MDT Tue Jun 27 2017
The National Weather Service in Cheyenne has issued a

* Severe Thunderstorm Warning for…
southeastern Box Butte County in the Panhandle of Nebraska…
southeastern Scotts Bluff County in the Panhandle of Nebraska…
Cheyenne County in the Panhandle of Nebraska…
northeastern Kimball County in the Panhandle of Nebraska…
Morrill County in the Panhandle of Nebraska…
eastern Banner County in the Panhandle of Nebraska…

* until 830 PM MDT

* at 728 PM MDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from near Minatare to 11 miles north of Potter, moving
east at 55 mph.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:00:24pm

re: #42 jaunte

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I wonder what she $ees in him….

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:01:48pm
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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:02:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:04:08pm

Wonkette has an exclusive interview with Lizz Winstead, the co-founder of Air America and co-creator of “The Daily Show.”

wonkette.com

They devolve into their usual snark in the interview. They are addressing a new project of hers, descending on cities in the South to provide support to women’s healthcare providers.

Winstead and her band of merry travelers are descending on cities around the South and the Midwest this summer and putting on comedy shows that seek to connect people (e.g. MAYBE YOU) with their local independent reproductive health providers, to give them (YOU) an easy way to help out, because those clinics are in danger these days, especially since Russian Agent Pussgrab’s inauguration. While in these cities — this is the Habitat for Humanity/USO part — they’re going directly into the clinics to meet staff, hear their stories, and just figure out what they can do to make their lives a little easier.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:05:05pm

FSM save me from libertarian cupcakes. You know the kind I mean? Speak in un-supported assertion, get their knickers in a twist when challenged, condescend constantly but get all mad if you condescend back

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:05:54pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I got a feeling this cuts very close to Trump. I can’t see him being smart enough to distance himself from direct involvement.

Trump’s ability to self-incriminate is quite impressive.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:05:55pm

Thunderstorm line is crossing US-385. It is eight miles / ten minutes away.
wunderground.com (radar picture)

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Jay C  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:05:57pm

re: #47 jaunte

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Yeah, but nowadays you don’t need the talents of a Goya to make the Trump family look like a gang of idiots - a simple photograph will do.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:06:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:08:06pm

The sky is a really weird colour, and I had to close my west-facing windows as rain started pouring into my kitchen and bathroom. I’m guessing I am about to lose my electricity / Internet connexion, you lucky devils.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:10:27pm

New warning issued: Here it comes… .

HAZARD…70 mph wind gusts and quarter size hail.

SOURCE…Radar indicated.

IMPACT…Hail damage to vehicles is expected. Expect considerable
tree damage. Wind damage is also likely to mobile homes,
roofs, and outbuildings.

These severe thunderstorms will remain over mainly rural areas of
northeastern Cheyenne and Morrill Counties, including the following
locations: Broadwater.

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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:11:41pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:12:14pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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“No parrot! No parrot! You’re the parrot! SQUAWK!”

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:12:31pm

re: #53 Jay C

Yeah, but nowadays you don’t need the talents of a Goya to make the Trump family look like a gang of idiots - a simple photograph will do.

The Goya painting looks far more realistic than the sickly Trump photo-op.

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:13:59pm

Check out the snazzy guitar on Mick Jones…

Big Audio Dynamite - E=MC2

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:17:16pm

re: #51 Myron Falwell

Trump’s ability to self-incriminate is quite impressive.

He’s eventually going to fess up to everything and his brain dead base won’t care.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:18:16pm

Photo: Washington Post

She looks like a Goya background person.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:18:37pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:18:55pm

re: #56 Anymouse

Shut it down and stay safe

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:19:49pm

re: #44 plansbandc

Did you make that? Gonna FB it.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:19:51pm
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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:20:28pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

He’s eventually going to fess up to everything and his brain dead base won’t care.

My hunch is that he’ll claim insanity.

And considering how utterly unreliable and incapable he is of telling the truth, he might just get that defense.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:20:53pm

re: #62 jaunte

No one likes me. Everyone hates me. I guess I’ll go eat worms.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:22:00pm

I expect our spammer to make another run at LGF Pages tonight at some point.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:22:34pm

re: #68 Dave In Austin

I want to stop imagining the weird Huckabee family dynamics that have led to today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:24:08pm

re: #70 jaunte

I want to stop imagining the weird Huckabee family dynamics that have led to today.

Well Sarah certainly seems to be a chip off the old blockhead.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:24:12pm

Did anyone get a chance to watch the 1st 2 episodes of “Preacher”? I think they are going to knock this one out of the park. Some of the line are unforgettable……

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Cheechako  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:24:30pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Temporary work visas for Alaska? The state with the highest unemployment rate. Yah, that will go over very well.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:24:44pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

She’s going to have to kill something to impress Daddy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:26:49pm

The storm bearing down on my village collapsed just as it reached the town. The sky is still all weird-looking and we’re getting fairly hard rain, but the rotating thunderstorm is gone.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:27:06pm
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garzooma  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:28:13pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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Everybody realizes there’s never going to be a border wall, right? It was a scam from the start. Only brainwashed parrots took it seriously.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:29:36pm

Okay you guys know I’m no CNN fan. Tonight’s report on Russia attacking our democracy is pretty good. Why we don’t have a collective white hot anger bad enough to scare the world at large that we may over react is a mystery to me. W T F

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Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:30:04pm

Jim Sciutto is answering questions re: Russia & the CNN special.

Very interesting.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:31:43pm

re: #77 garzooma

Can I tweet that?

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:32:18pm

Facebook is down.

My head is on fire!
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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:33:03pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

Nevermind. Looks like it’s working again.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:33:35pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

Facebook is down.

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Working fine for me.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:33:51pm

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:35:13pm

re: #46 Barefoot Grin

I wonder what she $ees in him….

Dolly Parton 04 I’ll Oil Wells Love You

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:36:13pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

Facebook is down.

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scottslemmons  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:36:43pm

re: #67 Myron Falwell

My hunch is that he’ll claim insanity.

And considering how utterly unreliable and incapable he is of telling the truth, he might just get that defense.

He’d never claim insanity. He considers that to be admitting to being less than 100% perfect. His speciality — and the specialty of the GOP and other abusers — is gaslighting sane people to try to convince them they’re the crazy ones…

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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:37:25pm

re: #78 Unshaken Defiance

That’s because a minority of mostly well-off racist voters got what they wanted, and they’ll be damned if it’s taken away from them. Regardless of how it came to be.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:38:01pm

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:38:34pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:41:17pm

In other news Great Britain escalated the brinkmanship on cyberwar today by threatening airstrikes in retaliation for cyber. I suppose the digital ultimate counter attack would be a non nuke EMP bomb.

Edit added the link to telegraph.uk

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:48:30pm

re: #91 Unshaken Defiance

In other news Great Britain escalated the brinkmanship on cyberwar today by threatening airstrikes in retaliation for cyber. I suppose the digital ultimate counter attack would be a non nuke EMP bomb.

Where did this come from? Who would they attack? Does GCHQ have knowledge of a specific state actor (which seems unlikely given the ransomware attack going on now asks for Bitcoin)?

bbc.com

Helicopter apparently tried to bomb the Venezuela Supreme Court, according to Venezuela’s president.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:51:52pm

Chinese woman (80) boarding a plane in Shanghai threw coins at an aircraft jet engine “for luck.” One coin hit the target, forcing the evacuation of the plane (and probable damage to the engine).

bbc.com

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:52:18pm

Short story

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:53:59pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

Where did this come from? Who would they attack? Does GCHQ have knowledge of a specific state actor (which seems unlikely given the ransomware attack going on now asks for Bitcoin)?

It might still be a state actor — how better disguise the source than by asking for Bitcoin, especially if your primary interest is in probing weaknesses or causing havoc, and not in acquiring wealth.

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:54:09pm

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

Chinese woman (80) boarding a plane in Shanghai threw coins at an aircraft jet engine “for luck.” One coin hit the target, forcing the evacuation of the plane (and probable damage to the engine).

bbc.com

Oopie.

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allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:55:34pm

BWS, if you’re here… klys isn’t the only one who succumbed to your tortellini salad. O.M.G. It is delicious! Made it with a few minor variations (sun-dried tomatoes rather than grape, no prosciutto, added lots of fresh basil from my garden). Thank you!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:59:28pm

re: #97 allegro

BWS, if you’re here… klys isn’t the only one who succumbed to your tortellini salad. O.M.G. It is delicious! Made it with a few minor variations (sun-dried tomatoes rather than grape, no prosciutto, added lots of fresh basil from my garden). Thank you!

I succumbed to tortellini salad once.

The ship I was stationed aboard at the time pulled into Naples and loaded on a few dozen tons of pre-made tortellini. They kept putting it out and taking it back to the refrigerators at every meal, and when it started smelling funny, put it in cooked dishes.

My entire division’s shop supervisors (save me) were hospitalised on the ship, two were flown off to NAS Bermuda. (I was sick but was able to continue my duties.)

I have an aversion to tortellini now. Though my wife likes it, she doesn’t make it at home (she only gets it in restaurants) because of my admittedly anecdotal problem with the dish.

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Jay C  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:59:56pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

Where did this come from? Who would they attack? Does GCHQ have knowledge of a specific state actor (which seems unlikely given the ransomware attack going on now asks for Bitcoin)?

bbc.com

Helicopter apparently tried to bomb the Venezuela Supreme Court, according to Venezuela’s president.

From the account, it seems like a disgruntled army officer commandeered (or stole) a helicopter and attacked the Venezuelan SC by throwing grenades down on it. Said officer also made appeals via Instagram ( but apparently got away). President Maduro, in his usual idiotic style, blamed Donald Trump for the attack, and seemed trying to gin up fears of an ” US invasion”.

Geez: why would we ( or anybody ) even WANT to invade Venezuela? We don’t have enough disasters of our own to deal with?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:00:27pm

re: #62 jaunte

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She looks like a Goya background person.

…Brilliant. So true.

Her position as Satan’s Happy Hellmouth has once again made me think of this quote. I don’t know much about Theodore Dalrymple (maybe he was some kind of right-wing dick, I dunno) but putting aside his little jab at POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ZOMG, I think his general thrust is right on the money WRT this “Administration”. Poignant part in bold:

“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

Shorter version: Hellcow and Spicey aren’t up there to inform, they’re up there to humiliate and debase the media for fun, like a cat poking a ball of string for their fan club to laugh at.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:01:12pm

re: #97 allegro

BWS, if you’re here… klys isn’t the only one who succumbed to your tortellini salad. O.M.G. It is delicious! Made it with a few minor variations (sun-dried tomatoes rather than grape, no prosciutto, added lots of fresh basil from my garden). Thank you!

Mine didn’t actually involve tortellini because I had some other pasta on hand that I used up instead.

Was still very good. Looking forward to lunch tomorrow nom nom nom.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:01:26pm

They are watching a dude who is not qualified. They should be terrified.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:01:45pm

re: #99 Jay C

Well, if Trump was looking for a quick military victory, Venezuela might (might) be a target. That said, I imagine Venezuela ginning up complaints of US interference the last four days are no different than its last president making the same claims.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:03:37pm

Let’s not have people in my house screaming “Fire!” I just want to have a conversation about why the house is so hot.

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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:03:53pm

Yes, I know, it’s Greenwald, but ugh - these poll results are positively pukeworthy:

(wasn’t Shiplord Kirel saying something the other day about how failure to punish the confederates more severely haunts America to this day? I’m tempted to say the same thing about the Iraq War - a modern-day monstrosity whose most powerful perpetrators never faced proper justice or even censure…)

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:03:59pm

We may soon have to start dropping container loads of food into Venezuela

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:04:32pm

re: #104 Belafon

Pretty rich given how this administration treats scientists. Sorry Rick, no one smart is buying this.

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allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:05:23pm

re: #101 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Mine didn’t actually involve tortellini because I had some other pasta on hand that I used up instead.

Was still very good. Looking forward to lunch tomorrow nom nom nom.

I happened to be at Tar-jhay to return a thing, thought about the tortellini salad and picked up the stuff I remembered from her description that I didn’t already have while I was there. This one is going in the keeper file for company when I’m in need of praise. :)

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:05:50pm

re: #99 Jay C

Geez: why would we ( or anybody ) even WANT to invade Venezuela? We don’t have enough disasters of our own to deal with?

Citgo is state-owned by Venezuela. That’s why.

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piratedan  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:06:26pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

i’m sure that this is relative to the ongoing dumpster fire that is the Trump Administration, anyone can look good compared to what has taken place over the last six months.

as for anything else that GG wants to cherry pick, well, he can go DIAF.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:06:48pm

re: #108 allegro

I happened to be at Tar-jhay to return a thing, thought about the tortellini salad and picked up the stuff I remembered from her description that I didn’t already have while I was there. This one is going in the keeper file for company when I’m in need of praise. :)

Because I am a kind and benevolent wife, mr. klys is getting a single serving out of it to go with the chicken thigh for his lunch tomorrow.

The rest is ALL MINE.

(Sucks for him that he’s been stuck doing dinner with other people this week.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:07:09pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

Yes, I know, it’s Greenwald, but ugh - these poll results are positively pukeworthy:

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(wasn’t Shiplord Kirel saying something the other day about how failure to punish the confederates more severely haunts America to this day? I’m tempted to say the same thing about the Iraq War - a modern-day monstrosity whose most powerful perpetrators never faced proper justice or even censure…)

Of course he picks on the only group that gives Bush below 50%. Glenn really is a hack. I agree that Busgmh’s mistakes and crimes should not be forgotten but this really is no different than Republicans thinking highly of Clinton in Obama’s presidency.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:09:16pm

re: #92 Anymouse

Where did this come from? Who would they attack? Does GCHQ have knowledge of a specific state actor (which seems unlikely given the ransomware attack going on now asks for Bitcoin)?

Pretty sure it’s a policy declaration. Upped the ante.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:09:17pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

Jim Sciutto is answering questions re: Russia & the CNN special.

Very interesting.

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They are goddamned lucky I am not Trumptator. I would go through their “cyber” like some kind of hellish cross between General Patton and a pissed-off Assyrian king. Putin would be struggling to get online through dial-up by the time I was done with his ass.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:09:38pm

bbc.com

A person protesting in a cow’s head costume is trying to bring awareness that cows are treated better than women under the law in India.

India is currently considering a bill to allow the death penalty for killing a cow. Hindu nationalists have beaten and killed Muslims, Christians, and Dalits for allegedly eating beef or transporting milk.

He notes:

“I am perturbed by the fact that in my country, cows are considered more important than a woman, that it takes much longer for a woman who is raped or assaulted to get justice than for a cow which many Hindus consider a sacred animal,” Delhi-based photographer Sujatro Ghosh told the BBC.

India is often in the news for crimes against women and, according to government statistics, a rape is reported every 15 minutes.

“These cases go on for years in the courts before the guilty are punished, whereas when a cow is slaughtered, Hindu extremist groups immediately go and kill or beat up whoever they suspect of slaughter.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:10:46pm

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹

bbc.com

A person protesting in a cow’s head costume is trying to bring awareness that cows are treated better than women under the law in India.

India is currently considering a bill to allow the death penalty for killing a cow. Hindu nationalists have beaten and killed Muslims, Christians, and Dalits for allegedly eating beef or transporting milk.

He notes:

Religious extremism sucks no matter what religion practices it.

117
BlueSpotinAL  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:10:58pm

Hey Dumbass Rick Perry, you can’t have a conversation about a topic if you are an ignorant idiot. Willing to take a test? Gotta do better than you did at UT in Meats.

118
Belafon  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:12:38pm

re: #97 allegro

BWS, if you’re here… klys isn’t the only one who succumbed to your tortellini salad. O.M.G. It is delicious! Made it with a few minor variations (sun-dried tomatoes rather than grape, no prosciutto, added lots of fresh basil from my garden). Thank you!

May I ask what recipe? We are doing tortellini tomorrow night, and something a bit different than what we usually do would be a good thing.

119
austin_blue  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:13:21pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

Yes, I know, it’s Greenwald, but ugh - these poll results are positively pukeworthy:

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(wasn’t Shiplord Kirel saying something the other day about how failure to punish the confederates more severely haunts America to this day? I’m tempted to say the same thing about the Iraq War - a modern-day monstrosity whose most powerful perpetrators never faced proper justice or even censure…)

This is the Vise-Grip affect:

Go back to 2008, when everyone had a Vise-Grip attached to their left ball and really tightened down. When thinking about Shrub, it hurt so goddam much that people were squealing in agony and only 10% were saying “This is OK!”

Now Shrub has been gone for 8 1/2 years, and Drumpf is Large and In Charge. The Vise-grip has been reattached to everyone’s left ball at the same level of tightness.

But after eight years of Obama Derangement Syndrome, the victims smile and say “Oh, this is so much better!”

120
Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:13:22pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Religious extremism sucks no matter what religion practices it.

See also the Buddhists versus the Rohingya in Burma.

121
allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:14:17pm

re: #118 Belafon

May I ask what recipe? We are doing tortellini tomorrow night, and something a bit different than what we usually do would be a good thing.

I copied her post to my recipe file:

cheese-stuffed tortellinis, artichoke hearts, baby spinach, black olives, grape tomatoes, crumbled feta, parmesan, salami, prosciutto ham.
dressing: olive oil, balsamic vinegar, minced garlic, italian seasonings, honey, salt, pepper.

122
Belafon  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:14:53pm

re: #119 austin_blue

This is the Vise-Grip affect:

Go back to 2008, when everyone had a Vise-Grip attached to their left ball and really tightened down. When thinking about Shrub, it hurt so goddam much that people were squealing in agony and only 10% were saying “This is OK!”

Now Shrub has been gone for 8 1/2 years, and Drumpf is Large and In Charge. The Vise-grip has been reattached to everyone’s left ball at the same level of tightness.

But after eight years of Obama Derangement Syndrome, the victims smile and say “Oh, this is so much better!”

In the Navy, we called it the telephone pole effect, as in how far one was shoved up our ass.

123
calochortus  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:17:18pm

re: #121 allegro

I copied her post to my recipe file:

cheese-stuffed tortellinis, artichoke hearts, baby spinach, black olives, grape tomatoes, crumbled feta, parmesan, salami, prosciutto ham.
dressing: olive oil, balsamic vinegar, minced garlic, italian seasonings, honey, salt, pepper.

Hmmm, I wonder if I can use a non-stuffed pasta and bit of extra cheese? Gluten free tortellini is really, really hard to find and too much of a pain to make.

I see this salad in our future.

124
Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:18:14pm

6-1 Florida v. LSU
College World Series Game 2.

3 outs away from our first CWS.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

125
HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:18:54pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

See also the Buddhists versus the Rohingya in Burma.

Yeah heard about that, awful stuff.

126
Jay C  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:19:07pm

re: #109 Myron Falwell

Citgo is state-owned by Venezuela. That’s why.

You mean Citgo: the probably money-losing company that the Venezuelans have been unsuccessfully trying to sell for years now, with no takers?

Also: Wikipedia furnished this tidbit:

According to filings with the US Federal Election Commission, Citgo donated 500,000 US dollars towards Donald Trump’s presidential inauguration.

So they’re probably safe for now….

127
allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:19:32pm

re: #123 calochortus

Hmmm, I wonder if I can use a non-stuffed pasta and bit of extra cheese? Gluten free tortellini is really, really hard to find and too much of a pain to make.

I see this salad in our future.

I think any pasta would be excellent. Her dressing is so delicious. I’ve made similar dressing forever but never tried the honey in there. NOM!

128
goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:20:03pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

Yes, I know, it’s Greenwald, but ugh - these poll results are positively pukeworthy:

[Embedded content]

(wasn’t Shiplord Kirel saying something the other day about how failure to punish the confederates more severely haunts America to this day? I’m tempted to say the same thing about the Iraq War - a modern-day monstrosity whose most powerful perpetrators never faced proper justice or even censure…)

Trump has buried the bar so far it is now part of the Earth’s molten core.

re: #102 Stanley Sea

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They are watching a dude who is not qualified. They should be terrified.

It’s insane. For Trump to be seemingly unaware that the bill rescinds the NIIT means his entire vested interest in repealing the ACA lies simply in destroying Obama’s legacy.

129
Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:20:08pm

re: #122 Belafon

In the Navy, we called it the telephone pole effect, as in how far one was shoved up our ass.

I haven’t heard that phrase in a while… . thanks for that (I think).

130
calochortus  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:22:13pm

re: #127 allegro

I think any pasta would be excellent. Her dressing is so delicious. I’ve made similar dressing forever but never tried the honey in there. NOM!

I used to make a tortellini salad that was pretty good, but it really depended on the tortellini, so I haven’t made it since Mr. C. discovered he shouldn’t be eating gluten.
(On the plus side, he feels a lot better. On the minus side, making sure things are gluten free makes life more annoying…)

131
Belafon  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:23:29pm

re: #121 allegro

I copied her post to my recipe file:

cheese-stuffed tortellinis, artichoke hearts, baby spinach, black olives, grape tomatoes, crumbled feta, parmesan, salami, prosciutto ham.
dressing: olive oil, balsamic vinegar, minced garlic, italian seasonings, honey, salt, pepper.

Thanks.

Edit: Since my chef skills are mainly “What’s in the freezer and pantry that I can put together,” do you have measurements on the ingredients for the dressing?

132
teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:27:09pm

This…thread, man. Vic Berger is some kind of weird genius.

133
Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:27:11pm

YEAH!!!

134
Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:27:31pm

re: #119 austin_blue

But after eight years of Obama Derangement Syndrome, the victims smile and say “Oh, this is so much better!”

Good points. I seem to be an anomaly, though - if anything, trump has made me have a MORE negative opinion of dubya.

Why? I guess because trump gives their game away in a manner more blatant than any other. I can see with frightening clarity how they treated 9/11 as a Reichstag-Fire event to push through burgeoning fascism (unnecessary war of aggression built on lies, torture, Patriot Act, etc)

I can also see how the Iraq War obscenity had a lasting “boy who cried wolf” effect which enables people (from pumpkin pinochet himself to the far left) to claim US intelligence agencies have no credibility - “after all, they lied about Iraq and WMD, so why should we believe them about Russia now?”

They’d never be able to get so much mileage out of that argument if it hadn’t been for dubya paving the way. His presidency was the illness that weakened America’s immune system to the point where trumpism could ultimately infect the entire country.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:28:26pm

re: #132 teleskiguy

This…thread, man. Vic Berger is some kind of weird genius.

[Embedded content]

Sensitive Trumpflakes.

136
Shiplord Kirel  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:28:34pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

Yes, I know, it’s Greenwald, but ugh - these poll results are positively pukeworthy:

[Embedded content]

(wasn’t Shiplord Kirel saying something the other day about how failure to punish the confederates more severely haunts America to this day? I’m tempted to say the same thing about the Iraq War - a modern-day monstrosity whose most powerful perpetrators never faced proper justice or even censure…)

Here ya’ go

And I agree 100%.

137
teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:29:24pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Dude, click on the timestamp in the tweet then scroll up. It’ll make you laugh so hard.

138
calochortus  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:31:34pm

Since Lizards always have an answer for any question:
Does anyone here know enough Latin to tell me whether “In castore, veritas” would be grammatical correct for “In beavers, the truth” (as in a play on In vino, veritas?)

I’m forced to rely on Google Translate for this and while it’s good, it’s not perfect.

139
allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:33:21pm

re: #138 calochortus

Since Lizards always have an answer for any question:
Does anyone here know enough Latin to tell me whether “In castore, veritas” would be grammatical correct for “In beavers, the truth” (as in a play on In vino, veritas?)

I’m forced to rely on Google Translate for this and while it’s good, it’s not perfect.

My only question is: why do you ask? O_o

140
Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:33:51pm

re: #128 goddamnedfrank

Trump has buried the bar so far it is now part of the Earth’s molten core.

It’s insane. For Trump to be seemingly unaware that the bill rescinds the NIIT means his entire vested interest in repealing the ACA lies simply in destroying Obama’s legacy.

He’s probably had 1000 friends talk to him about it. He’s senile.

141
Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:36:00pm

Sydney Morning Herald: Donald Trump’s Twitter Feed Gold Mine for Foreign Spies
smh.com.au

Every time President Donald Trump tweets, journalists and Twitter followers attempt to analyse what he means. Intelligence agencies around the world do, too: They’re trying to determine what vulnerabilities the president of the United States may have. And he’s giving them a lot to work with.

Trump’s Twitter feed is a gold mine for every foreign intelligence agency. Usually, intelligence officers’ efforts to collect information on world leaders are methodical, painstaking and often covert. CIA operatives have risked their lives to learn about foreign leaders so the United States could devise strategies to counter our adversaries. With Trump, though, secret operations are not necessary to understand what’s on his mind: The president’s unfiltered thoughts are available night and day, broadcast to his 32.7 million Twitter followers immediately and without much obvious mediation by diplomats, strategists or handlers.

(more at SMH)

142
calochortus  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:36:11pm

re: #139 allegro

My only question is: why do you ask? O_o

Because one of our favorite wineries is Castoro Cellars in Paso Robles, and I wanted to share a little joke with family members. If you thought it had any less, umm, elevated meaning, you should be ashamed of yourself are just like everyone else here.

143
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:37:04pm

re: #131 Belafon

Thanks.

Edit: Since my chef skills are mainly “What’s in the freezer and pantry that I can put together,” do you have measurements on the ingredients for the dressing?

I’ll swoop in here, since I think BWS may be asleep: this was the recipe she used as a base and adapted. That’ll give you the proportions on the liquid ingredients for the dressing, but herbs and seasonings are going to be your own call.

144
allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:37:09pm

re: #142 calochortus

Because one of our favorite wineries is Castoro Cellars in Paso Robles, and I wanted to share a little joke with family members. If you thought it had any less, umm, elevated meaning, you should be ashamed of yourself are just like everyone else here.

+1

145
calochortus  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:38:36pm

re: #144 allegro

LOL

146
Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:38:44pm

re: #133 Stanley Sea

YEAH!!!

[Embedded content]

My wife’s first university degree was from University of Florida. She tells me she is non-plussed by this, and the College World Series is big business in this state.

147
allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:39:06pm

re: #143 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll swoop in here, since I think BWS may be asleep: this was the recipe she used as a base and adapted. That’ll give you the proportions on the liquid ingredients for the dressing, but herbs and seasonings are going to be your own call.

Oh wow. Measurements? That’s a thing?

148
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:39:52pm

re: #147 allegro

Oh wow. Measurements? That’s a thing?

Some people like them in the kitchen. I do kind of a blend thing.

(Look, when they give garlic measurements they mean “heads of,” right?)

149
allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:40:55pm

re: #145 calochortus

LOL

Hey, I just watched the first season of Game of Thrones for the second time and I’m lusting after a dwarf. Peter Dinklage is rocking my world. Consider the source!

150
Shiplord Kirel  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:41:08pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

Here ya’ go

And I agree 100%.

There seems to be an unwritten code in this country that our country’s leaders cannot really be held to account for crimes, as though it would embarrass us or reduce our standing in a way that failure to prosecute the criminals would not. They can be vilified, slandered, and mocked, but actual prosecution for anything subdtantial is out of the question. Even the Clinton impeachment was based not on actual criminality but on a facetious political game.
When Richard Nixon took office in 1969, he immediately became privy to everything the Johnson administration had done and said, and not done, about the Vietnam War, more than enough to put Johnson and his henchmen in prison. He had it within his power to reveal all this, declare the situation hopeless, blame the Democrats, and shut down the war. Instead, though, he had to press on, trying to make a silk purse out of LBJ’s pig’s ear and seeking “peace with honor.” He ended up sharing the blame with LBJ.

151
allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:42:07pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Some people like them in the kitchen. I do kind of a blend thing.

(Look, when they give garlic measurements they mean “heads of,” right?)

Well yeah!

152
Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:47:45pm

re: #147 allegro

Oh wow. Measurements? That’s a thing?

When my Polish great-grandmother was teaching my mother family recipes to “keep my father fed properly,” she would always say something like, “put in X until it looks right.”

My mother says she always wound up more confused than before she started, until my father finally sat my great-grandmother and got her to write out the recipes with actual measurements.

153
Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:47:48pm
154
calochortus  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:49:51pm

re: #147 allegro

Oh wow. Measurements? That’s a thing?

Mr. C. is a decent cook and a pretty good baker. But he’s totally into having exactly one cup of flour or whatever. He needs a recipe to follow. I’m a little, shall we say, looser in my cooking. Not too long after we were married he wanted to try making bread from my grandmother’s recipe. As he followed it to the letter, I tried to point out that the ratio of water and flour depends on the amount of moisture in the flour so he had to adjust. He thought the recipe was the law and I had to point out that this was my paternal grandmother’s recipe, so when my mother wanted to make that bread she had to ask for the recipe-which her mother-in-law had to reverse engineer from “well you fill this bowl with flour to about here and then…
There was no perfected recipe that leapt into being fully formed.
Mr. C. has loosened up in his cooking style over the years.

155
MsJ  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:52:18pm

re: #132 teleskiguy

This…thread, man. Vic Berger is some kind of weird genius.

[Embedded content]

156
Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:52:30pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

There seems to be an unwritten code in this country that our country’s leaders cannot really be held to account for crimes, as though it would embarrass us or reduce our standing in a way that failure to prosecute the criminals would not.

Exactly. So I suppose it’s only natural that it would inevitably degenerate to the point where you have a so-called “president” whose henchpeople state outright that he’s above the law.

And now the question remains, will this be the inevitable straw that breaks the camel’s back? If Mueller’s investigation turns up enough evidence, will justice actually be allowed to proceed? And could trump, if he does what I think he’ll do out of arrogance/desperation/whatever, be the first American president to be charged with crimes against humanity? Stay tuned…

157
jaunte  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:53:40pm

re: #155 MsJ

He’s got a whole KFC 5-piece dinner in there.

158
allegro  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:00:52pm

re: #154 calochortus

Mr. C. is a decent cook and a pretty good baker. But he’s totally into having exactly one cup of flour or whatever. He needs a recipe to follow. I’m a little, shall we say, looser in my cooking. Not too long after we were married he wanted to try making bread from my grandmother’s recipe. As he followed it to the letter, I tried to point out that the ratio of water and flour depends on the amount of moisture in the flour so he had to adjust. He thought the recipe was the law and I had to point out that this was my paternal grandmother’s recipe, so when my mother wanted to make that bread she had to ask for the recipe-which her mother-in-law had to reverse engineer from “well you fill this bowl with flour to about here and then…
There was no perfected recipe that leapt into being fully formed.
Mr. C. has loosened up in his cooking style over the years.

I tend to follow a recipe with measurements (sort of) the first time I try it - except when I just know my tastes better and alter it as I go, which is usually. LOL I learned to cook the “feel” way from my mom who was a fantastic southern farm girl cook though I’m much more bold with herbs and spices than she was. Still can’t make an edible biscuit though. Still kicking myself for never making her teach me that one.

159
Barefoot Grin  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:04:36pm

re: #157 jaunte

He’s got a whole KFC 5-piece dinner in there.

Or a litter of labradoodles.

160
calochortus  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:06:20pm

re: #158 allegro

I tend to follow a recipe with measurements (sort of) the first time I try it - except when I just know my tastes better and alter it as I go, which is usually. LOL I learned to cook the “feel” way from my mom who was a fantastic southern farm girl cook though I’m much more bold with herbs and spices than she was. Still can’t make an edible biscuit though. Still kicking myself for never making her teach me that one.

Yeah, it’s a good idea to know how a recipe was intended to turn out the first time. Then? Whatever!

161
austin_blue  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:31:04pm

re: #134 Interesting Times

Good points. I seem to be an anomaly, though - if anything, trump has made me have a MORE negative opinion of dubya.

Why? I guess because trump gives their game away in a manner more blatant than any other. I can see with frightening clarity how they treated 9/11 as a Reichstag-Fire event to push through burgeoning fascism (unnecessary war of aggression built on lies, torture, Patriot Act, etc)

I can also see how the Iraq War obscenity had a lasting “boy who cried wolf” effect which enables people (from pumpkin pinochet himself to the far left) to claim US intelligence agencies have no credibility - “after all, they lied about Iraq and WMD, so why should we believe them about Russia now?”

They’d never be able to get so much mileage out of that argument if it hadn’t been for dubya paving the way. His presidency was the illness that weakened America’s immune system to the point where trumpism could ultimately infect the entire country.

And around ten Trillion dollars and counting.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:45:58pm

re: #138 calochortus

Since Lizards always have an answer for any question:
Does anyone here know enough Latin to tell me whether “In castore, veritas” would be grammatical correct for “In beavers, the truth” (as in a play on In vino, veritas?)

I’m forced to rely on Google Translate for this and while it’s good, it’s not perfect.

In A beaver, truth.

In castoribus veritas = In beavers, truth.


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