Breaking: Tom Price “Resigns,” to Nobody’s Surprise

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In today’s episode of the crazed dysfunctional clown show known as the Trump White House, Health Secretary Tom Price has “resigned” (yeah, right) over his ridiculously imperial use of private luxury planes charged to the government.

I hope somebody thought to get a check from him for all those flights before he leaves.

UPDATE at 9/29/17 1:58:46 pm by Charles Johnson

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367 comments

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:53:49pm

The Price is Wrong…

Price is right losing horn

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:55:49pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:56:00pm

Trivia question:

Who said, “I only hire the best people?”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:58:56pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:59:16pm

re: #2 Stanley Sea

bet you a zillion bucks that this won’t stop the knuckleheads from bitching about “Obama golfing during Katrina.”

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bratwurst  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:59:43pm

Reminder: this asshole should NEVER have been confirmed for a cabinet position in the first place.

HHS nominee Tom Price bought stock, then authored bill benefiting company

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:59:48pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Luckily, we’ll have more characters to make this list in.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:59:52pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

We’re eventually gonna need 280!

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:00:22pm

re: #7 Belafon

4 seconds! Nice!

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:01:04pm

Now that the precedent has been set, I expect Pruitt and Zinke’s resignations immediately.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:01:25pm

$100 says Price is a pharmaceutical lobbyist in six months.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:01:29pm

re: #5 Jebediah, RBG

bet you a zillion bucks that this won’t stop the knuckleheads from bitching about “Obama golfing during Katrina.”

If it won’t stop Obama being black, it won’t stop the knuckleheads bitching.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:02:17pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:02:58pm
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RiverBoy  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:03:10pm

re: #6 bratwurst

Hit the nail on the head with that one. Much like many other Trump appointees, Price had no business being in his position.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:04:07pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

He needs to dye his eyebrows FFS

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:05:23pm

i must admit i’m deriving a certain amount of pleasure from the frequency and velocity of departures from the trump administration

about as frequent but much more enjoyable than your favorite characters getting killed on GoT

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:05:47pm

re: #15 RiverBoy

It’s nice that he’ll be able to spend more time now with his insider trading case.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:07:02pm

Good old Fox, johnny on the spot with the ButObama story.

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bratwurst  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:07:27pm

re: #15 RiverBoy

Hit the nail on the head with that one. Much like many other Trump appointees, Price had no business being in his position.

I would really like to believe that any other administration in American history would have been embarrassed to nominate this man.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:09:51pm

re: #19 jaunte

They are so weak. This is from THEIR OWN DAMN STORY:
Because of their jobs, these officials were required to take government planes for security and communications purposes.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:11:08pm

Prediction: Wingnuts who don’t engage in “whataboutism” will instead declare that this is actually a positive for Trump because he “holds people accountable!”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:11:17pm

re: #19 jaunte

Flight furor: Obama officials also took pricey

akshually i dont give a shit about the planes, you fucking fox morons, im glad he’s gone because he’s a dangerous lying asshole

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:11:39pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

Prediction: Wingnuts who don’t engage in “whataboutism” will instead declare that this is actually a positive for Trump because he “holds people accountable!”

absolutely

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:11:47pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:12:03pm
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:13:03pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

And the ‘Freedom from Price.’

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:13:39pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:13:57pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Now that the precedent has been set, I expect Pruitt and Zinke’s resignations immediately.

Seems unlikely to me. Most of the reason Price is gone, IMO, is that he was HHS secretary, and tr*mp needed a scapegoat for the tr*mp/GOP healthcare debacle.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:15:31pm

re: #5 Jebediah, RBG

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:16:56pm

Good morning, yesterday
You wake up and time has slipped away
And suddenly it’s hard to find
The memories you left behind
Remember, do you remember?

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:18:05pm

re: #12 jaunte

If it won’t stop Obama being black, it won’t stop the knuckleheads bitching.

Bingo!
The nail now has a concussion from its head being hit so squarely.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:18:08pm

I’ve seen banana republics with lower turnover rates than this administration.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:21:45pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

I’ve seen banana republics with lower turnover rates than this administration.

Kim’s had less turnover.

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I cannot.  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:22:31pm

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

They’re coming so fast that a different song comes to mind…and one that fits my mood for the past 10 months or so…

Drowning Pool - Bodies

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:22:35pm

So, I’ve been busy with meat-world stuff today, and come back to the Internetz to find yet another Trump flunkie got his pink slip.

Made my day even better.

Also, Betty F White liked one of my replies to her

And I finally got all the paperwork I needed to apply for a new Chinese work visa. The application is on its way to the visa agency now.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:23:38pm

re: #36 wheat-dogg

So, I’ve been busy with meat-world stuff today, and come back to the Internetz to find yet another Trump flunkie got his pink slip.

Made my day even better.

Also, Betty F White liked one of my replies to her

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And I finally got all the paperwork I needed to apply for a new Chinese work visa. The application is on its way to the visa agency now.

I sent my Indian travel visa application in yesterday. It was a small book. I’m glad I didn’t have to pay for the shipping on it.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:24:19pm
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petesh  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:24:50pm

Bring me the head of Pruitt! Any platter will do; if all you’ve got is gold, that’d be fine.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:24:58pm

I saw a comment at the end of the last thread where Chris Hayes said Trump didn’t like the ‘optics’ of Price’s misdeeds and that was why he was shoved out the WH door.

I suggest that every single American email, call and write the White House and complain about The Big Don and how terrible he is as President and makes this country and himself look bad with bad optics.

And use the words like bad optics, loser, unfit, weakling, low energy and all of the other Trump words you can think of he uses to denigrate others.

Maybe we can get him to start to think he looks bad to himself and that it could end up costing him money and stature and most likely make him entered into the history books as the worst, low-energy loser President ever. This we can all tell him.

And the only way to save himself and change the optics is to do the strong and heroic thing: resign.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:32:18pm

re: #37 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I sent my Indian travel visa application in yesterday. It was a small book. I’m glad I didn’t have to pay for the shipping on it.

Mine was a four-page application form, plus four pages of supplementary forms from my employer in China, a copy of my passport, the agency’s order form, a mugshot, and my passport. FedEx weighed it at 0.5 pounds.

Immigration and visa people seem to delight in forms.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:33:04pm

re: #40 ObserverArt

I saw a comment at the end of the last thread where Chris Hayes said Trump didn’t like the ‘optics’ of Price’s misdeeds and that was why he was shoved out the WH door.

I suggest that every single American email, call and write the White House and complain about The Big Don and how terrible he is as President and makes this country and himself look bad with bad optics.

ANd use the words like bad optics, loser, unfit, weakling, low energy and all of the other Trump words you can think of he uses to denigrate others.

Maybe we can get him to start to think he looks bad to himself and that it could end up costing him money and stature and most likely make him entered into the history books as the worst, low-energy loser President ever. This we can all tell him.

And the only way to save himself and change the optics is to do the strong and heroic thing: resign.

Just him his ratings are tanking, and it’s time to find a new host.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:33:15pm

re: #37 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I sent my Indian travel visa application in yesterday. It was a small book. I’m glad I didn’t have to pay for the shipping on it.

It’ll be easy for you guys.

It’ll be a clusterfuck for me if I try to apply for an Indian tourist visa even as a US citizen.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:35:14pm

I’m guessing Trump was pissed at Price’s travel habits because Trump wasn’t profiting off of it…

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:36:37pm

re: #43 electrotek

It’ll be easy for you guys.

It’ll be a clusterfuck for me if I try to apply for an Indian tourist visa even as a US citizen.

Yeah, I can imagine.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:36:43pm

re: #41 wheat-dogg

Mine was a four-page application form, plus four pages of supplementary forms from my employer in China, a copy of my passport, the agency’s order form, a mugshot, and my passport. FedEx weighed it at 0.5 pounds.

Immigration and visa people seem to delight in forms.

I think my favorite part was that, in addition to all of that, we also had to include the checklist of all the things that had to be included in the packet, with all of the little boxes checked off.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:37:15pm

re: #44 Mike Lamb

I’m guessing Trump was pissed at Price’s travel habits because Trump wasn’t profiting off of it…

Bad optics. Or maybe Price did something else that pissed Trump off.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:38:24pm

re: #45 wheat-dogg

Yeah, I can imagine.

I have the unfortunate distinction of having Karachi, PK as my birthplace on my passport.

You can infer from that on how difficult it would be to go through the process, even though I have relatives in New Delhi and much of my family ancestry stems from there.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:38:57pm

re: #46 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think my favorite part was that, in addition to all of that, we also had to include the checklist of all the things that had to be included in the packet, with all of the little boxes checked off.

From what I’ve read about public servants in India, the checklist is probably more for their benefit than yours. Civil service in India is a job for life. No one gets fired for any reason, AFAIK.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:39:26pm

re: #49 wheat-dogg

From what I’ve read about public servants in India, the checklist is probably more for their benefit than yours. Civil service in India is a job for life. No one gets fired for any reason, AFAIK.

Well, the application went to Chicago, but the point is taken.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:40:14pm

re: #48 electrotek

I have the unfortunate distinction of having Karachi, PK as my birthplace on my passport.

You can infer from that on how difficult it would be to go through the process, even though I have relatives in New Delhi and much of my family ancestry stems from there.

Have you been back to Karachi at all? Getting a tourist visa to Pakistan is not especially easy either, I’ve learned.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:40:24pm

re: #48 electrotek

I have the unfortunate distinction of having Karachi, PK as my birthplace on my passport.

You can infer from that on how difficult it would be to go through the process, even though I have relatives in New Delhi and much of my family ancestry stems from there.

Ooh, yeah. Literally half my application was, “Are you, your parents, your grandparents, your spouse, or your mother’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s wife’s dog related to, descended from, affiliated with, or have ever spoken the name of Pakistan aloud in a casual conversation?”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:40:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:41:49pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

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Reading that in his voice makes it all the better.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:41:52pm

re: #50 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, the application went to Chicago, but the point is taken.

You going for work or for pleasure? One of my former Chinese students is working in Bangalore for the next several months. She’s enjoying it. Big holidays this time of year there.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:41:56pm

re: #51 wheat-dogg

Have you been back to Karachi at all? Getting a tourist visa to Pakistan is not especially easy either, I’ve learned.

Back in 2012. It’s such a horrid shithole. I really don’t ever want to go back there, it disgusts me.

I’m not sure what kind of visa was acquired since it was my parents that did all of the organizing anyways. Besides, I’m sure it was easy since the rely on the diaspora like us for those lucrative remittances that keep their ailing economy alive somehow. Can’t bite the hands that feed you, ya know?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:42:49pm

re: #55 wheat-dogg

You going for work or for pleasure? One of my former Chinese students is working in Bangalore for the next several months. She’s enjoying it. Big holidays this time of year there.

Both. It’s a trip sponsored by my employers to visit our partner company, an off-shore software development firm in Hyderabad; but while there, we’re going to be doing as much tourism as practical work.

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:42:49pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Reading that in his voice makes it all the better.

I sang it in Billy Joel’s voice.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:43:13pm

re: #52 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ooh, yeah. Literally half my application was, “Are you, your parents, your grandparents, your spouse, or your mother’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s wife’s dog related to, descended from, affiliated with, or have ever spoken the name of Pakistan aloud in a casual conversation?”

lol wow, that’s something

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:43:20pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:43:49pm

Donny probably shit-canned Price because he was drawing people’s attention away from the very real horror of NFL players kneeling during the anthem.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:44:33pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

Seems unlikely to me. Most of the reason Price is gone, IMO, is that he was HHS secretary, and tr*mp needed a scapegoat for the tr*mp/GOP healthcare debacle.

I am enjoying the fact that, after the GOP utterly failed to repeal Obamacare, a top Price goal, he now is resigning in disgrace. You’re a complete loser, Price!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:45:46pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Both. It’s a trip sponsored by my employers to visit our partner company, an off-shore software development firm in Hyderabad; but while there, we’re going to be doing as much tourism as practical work.

Is Mrs. Fish going????

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:45:55pm

re: #58 makeitstop

I sang it in Billy Joel’s voice.

Me too!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:46:29pm

re: #58 makeitstop

I sang it in Billy Joel’s voice.

Payton’s voice is so distinct I couldn’t resist.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:48:23pm

People are so nice helping Price with his travel arrangements.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:49:25pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

Is Mrs. Fish going????

Alas, no… which means I am going to be in the doghouse for the better part of a year.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:49:30pm

re: #66 JordanRules

People are so nice helping Price with his travel arrangements.

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27 hour trip?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:49:54pm

re: #67 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Alas, no… which means I am going to be in the doghouse for the better part of a year.

Work is work. Only cabinet secretaries get to bring spouses.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:50:18pm

re: #67 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Alas, no… which means I am going to be in the doghouse for the better part of a year.

Well at the very least get her and the kids some nice gifts.

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:50:51pm

re: #2 Stanley Sea

Meanwhile, the atavistic shitheads that call themselves “conservatives” that were going absolutely apeshit over every time President Obama wasn’t sufficiently cloistered up in the White House War Room for the duration every time there was a natural disaster (Hurricanes Sandy and Matthew, etc.) or a terrorist attack, here or overseas, are pretty much completely fucking silent on Trump’s obvious dereliction of his presidential duties.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:52:25pm

re: #68 Stanley Sea

Lots of time to update the resume.

(1973) Empress Gladys & The Pips “Midnight Train To Georgia”

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:52:31pm

re: #36 wheat-dogg

So, I’ve been busy with meat-world stuff today, and come back to the Internetz to find yet another Trump flunkie got his pink slip.

Made my day even better.

Also, Betty F White liked one of my replies to her

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And I finally got all the paperwork I needed to apply for a new Chinese work visa. The application is on its way to the visa agency now.

That’s great!

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:53:29pm

re: #34 Belafon

Kim’s had less turnover.

But, when he has had to fire someone in his inner circle, Kim really fires (at) them…with AA artillery.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:53:41pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Well at the very least get her and the kids some nice gifts.

I have already contracted with one of my female co-workers to give her some spending cash and have her go out and buy some brightly colored Indian garb for Mrs. Fish, at her direction. So that’s covered.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:54:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:55:14pm

re: #75 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I have already contracted with one of my female co-workers to give her some spending cash and have her go out and buy some brightly colored Indian garb for Mrs. Fish, at her direction. So that’s covered.

Very neat.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:55:17pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Work is work. Only cabinet secretaries get to bring spouses.

Heh. Mrs. Fish may be allowed to join us on a future trip. The idea is to take the noobs with the more experienced travelers first, and then later on we might make a party of it.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:55:31pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:57:39pm
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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:02:00pm

re: #79 JordanRules

Hey, Chris, I know it’s au courant to bash Trump’s PR response right now, especially since he deserves most of it, but I’ll wager the main reason why the Comfort and other ships hadn’t steamed out of Norfolk and other nearby East Coast ports was the fact that Maria was (and is) still out in the Atlantic, close enough to cause issues in the coastal sealanes.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:02:05pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:02:30pm

re: #74 TedStriker

But, when he has had to fire someone in his inner circle, Kim really fires (at) them…with AA artillery.

TRUE LIES - YOU’RE FIRED - CLASSIC

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:03:39pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Good old Fox, johnny on the spot with the ButObama story.

I stopped right here:

Because of their jobs, these officials were required to take government planes for security and communications purposes.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:03:46pm

With Price gone who is going to be in charge of trying to take away my health care?

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bratwurst  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:03:56pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:04:12pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh, please. The added weight - at least 200 lbs - would have destabilized the missile. It would have gone ass over teakettle and possibly have hit the plane.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:04:15pm

re: #21 Ace Rothstein

They are so weak. This is from THEIR OWN DAMN STORY:
Because of their jobs, these officials were required to take government planes for security and communications purposes.

yeah, i should read ahead before posting……

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:05:09pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

Prediction: Wingnuts who don’t engage in “whataboutism” will instead declare that this is actually a positive for Trump because he “holds people accountable!”

how come he didnt know?

how come it took the press to point this out?

im just asking questions

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:05:58pm

It occurred to me, that since Joe Arpaio is still investigating President Obama, he could team up with O.J. and they could search for Obama’s real birth certificate and the real killer together; what a team they would make!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:06:04pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart

You’re just jealous because he got to rub elbows with the god-emperor and you don’t, you useless sack of shit.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:06:31pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

Seems unlikely to me. Most of the reason Price is gone, IMO, is that he was HHS secretary, and tr*mp needed a scapegoat for the tr*mp/GOP healthcare debacle.

slightly disagree

he’s gone because the story got to the point that it made trump look bad

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:07:09pm

re: #85 b.d. (bill d.)

With Price gone who is going to be in charge of trying to take away my health care?

I am hoping there is a slight chance Trump may accidentally appoint someone who will actually do his job and try to make the ACA work as intended. Unlikely, I know.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:08:12pm

re: #93 Big Beautiful Door

I am hoping there is a slight chance Trump may accidentally appoint someone who will actually do his job and try to make the ACA work as intended. Unlikely, I know.

He still hasn’t appointed anyone to take Kelly’s place, I think Trump is done appointing folks.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:08:12pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:08:13pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:08:21pm

Zinke, Mnuchin and Pruitt have also used private planes to jet around the country at tax payer expense. When do they resign?

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:08:56pm

re: #87 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, please. The added weight - at least 200 lbs - would have destabilized the missile. It would have gone ass over teakettle and possibly have hit the plane.

It’s.A.Movie.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:09:11pm

re: #95 FormerDirtDart

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She’s an idiot or really good at playing one for the Fox rubes.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:10:19pm

re: #95 FormerDirtDart

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Welcome to the USSA, where guilt is decided before trial, comrade.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:11:02pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Welcome to the USSA, where guilt is decided before trial, comrade.

///

Guilt is determined in the media. Trial is only for sentencing.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:12:03pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Welcome to the USSA, where guilt is decided before trial, comrade.

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We can look at them and see if they are guilty….wink, wink…

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:12:52pm

re: #102 b.d. (bill d.)

We can look at them and see if they are guilty….wink, wink…

“If they weren’t guilty of something, they wouldn’t have been charged!”

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:13:12pm

i stumbled across this vlog by a young Canadian guy in the merchant marine. He serves on a container ship, and has been vlogging all about it for a few months. This one is a time lapse of the ship passing through the Suez Canal.

Suez Canal Timelapse | Life at Sea on a Container Ship

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:13:46pm

Mildly OT, but Mrs. Fish introduced me to a new term today: “Hepeated”. Similar to “mansplained”, it’s when something is ignored when a woman says it, but as soon as a man says it, suddenly it’s a brilliant idea.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:14:05pm

re: #80 Stanley Sea

Awwww. I miss President Obama and VP Biden every day. Sigh.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:14:07pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

“If they weren’t guilty of something, they wouldn’t have been charged!”

You’d be surprised (not!) how often I see this very argument, or a variant thereof, on my FB feed.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:14:56pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

She’s an idiot or and really good at playing one putting it on display for the Fox rubes regularly.

FTFY

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:15:49pm

re: #105 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Mildly OT, but Mrs. Fish introduced me to a new term today: “Hepeated”. Similar to “mansplained”, it’s when something is ignored when a woman says it, but as soon as a man says it, suddenly it’s a brilliant idea.

Heh that’s good.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:15:59pm

Oh shit, someone with a burgundy van ran over pedestrians in NYC

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:16:24pm

re: #107 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You’d be surprised (not!) how often I see this very argument, or a variant thereof, on my FB feed.

You know wingnut logic: If a minority is charged, then their guilt is already determined because the police don’t charge people unless they have enough evidence to prove guilt in a court of law.

But if you’re white, then the courts are railroading you unless you’re a liberal. Then you not only have the benefit of the doubt, but the DA is likely crooked and/or looking to run for higher office and bringing the case only to boost their political credentials.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:16:29pm

re: #92 dangerman

slightly disagree

he’s gone because the story got to the point that it made trump look bad

ok, apparently that was also posted above before i got here.

ill just shut up for a while

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:17:01pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:18:28pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:19:37pm

re: #104 wheat-dogg

That’s really cool. I’ve seen a time-lapse transit of Panama, but not of Suez.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:19:49pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:20:38pm

re: #40 ObserverArt

“I suggest that every single American email, call and write the White House and complain about The Big Don and how terrible he is as President and makes this country and himself look bad with bad optics.”

I’m dying with laughter, but great suggestion nonetheless. The one thing you’ve missed, however, is that Trump has zero shame when it comes to himself. When others take actions which displease him, he has no problem shaming them. But in his balloon head, he’s the best thing since sliced bread and no amount of emails, calls or letters from the public will change his high opinion of his accomplishments (which include being born).

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:20:40pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

What, no Dr. Ben “Narcoleptic” Carson?

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:22:50pm

re: #118 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What, no Dr. Ben “Narcoleptic” Carson?

Unbelievably he already has a cabinet position.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:23:32pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

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Haha wut.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:24:08pm

re: #118 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What, no Dr. Ben “Narcoleptic” Carson?

I am sure that Trump is looking for the most qualified multi-millionaire Christian Scientist to run HHS.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:25:15pm

re: #115 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s really cool. I’ve seen a time-lapse transit of Panama, but not of Suez.

I like his videos. He’s also got a 30-day time lapse of an entire trip.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:26:10pm

re: #119 b.d. (bill d.)

Unbelievably he already has a cabinet position.

You know, I think I knew that, but given the incredible turnover in the Trump administration, I lost track somewhere in there.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:26:53pm

re: #107 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You’d be surprised (not!) how often I see this very argument, or a variant thereof, on my FB feed.

I believe that’s the Ed Meese theory of law enforcement; presumed guilty until proven innocent.

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A Cranky One  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:26:54pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

“If they weren’t guilty of something, they wouldn’t have been charged!”

To quote Ed Meese, Reagan’s Attorney General:

U.S. News: You criticize the Miranda ruling, which gives suspects the right to have a lawyer present before police questioning. Shouldn’t people, who may be innocent, have such protection?
Meese: Suspects who are innocent of a crime should. But the thing is, you don’t have many suspects who are innocent of a crime. That’s contradictory. If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect.

This is nothing new for Republicans. Of course, when Meese was a suspect in several scandals he sang a different tune.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:27:22pm

re: #71 TedStriker

You had me at “atavistic shitheads.”

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A Cranky One  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:28:13pm

re: #124 Big Beautiful Door

I believe that’s the Ed Meese theory of law enforcement; presumed guilty until proven innocent.

Ha. Beat me by a second.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:28:15pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

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That almost makes me miss Price. Almost.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:28:47pm

I think I was in error in the previous thread.

The Okeanos Explorer was looking for the Japanese Sentaka sub yesterday, but today has returned to the old USS Baltimore, which was scuttled in 1944:

USS Baltimore (C-3)

Note that Wikipedia already has the fact that Okeanos discovered it this month.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:29:18pm

re: #118 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What, no Dr. Ben “Narcoleptic” Carson?

It’s not URBAN HHS, so it wouldn’t occur to Trump to nominate anyone black.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:31:02pm

he even repeats himself in his tweets…what a dweeb…

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:32:02pm

I’d like some stink to stick to the GOP for all the folks in the regime that we’ve lost (and will continue to lose) that required their confirmation.

I know, I know. I’m just saying. Trying to not keep it normal.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:32:12pm

So, did he pay the Iron Price?

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:32:48pm

Looking up the stern of the ship. Those rails would have been used to roll out mines:

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wheat-dogg  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:33:27pm

Heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:34:13pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:36:05pm

Imagine if instead of more nuclear super-carriers we built some equivalently sized nuclear hospital / relief vessels that could respond rapidly, providing immense amounts of shore power, electricians, engineers & equipment, food, potable desalinated water, supplies, search & rescue teams and helicopter victims back for emergency medical services after natural disasters. Imagine how much the United States’s standing in the world could be improved if instead of using our immense military budget to engage in nebulous conflicts for dubious gain we used it to help people in their direst circumstances.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:36:12pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Over/under on general being forced to submit resignation?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:36:58pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:37:30pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Imagine if instead of more nuclear super-carriers we built some equivalently sized nuclear hospital / relief vessels that could respond rapidly, providing immense amounts of shore power, electricians, engineers & equipment, food, potable desalinated water, supplies, search & rescue teams and helicopter victims back for emergency medical services after natural disasters. Imagine how much the United States’s standing in the world could be improved if instead of using our immense military budget to engage in nebulous conflicts for dubious gain we used it to help people in their direst circumstances.

Wingnuts would never go for it. All they’d see is “other people” benefiting from “their” tax dollars.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:37:37pm

73 years of growth:

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451_Montag  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:37:45pm

re: #97 Patricia Kayden

Zinke, Mnuchin and Pruitt have also used private planes to jet around the country at tax payer expense. When do they resign?

You know Deadpool is a great movie. As a form of government, not so much.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:39:12pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Well, we have hospital ships.

And Navy resources are available to serve for emergencies, now.

It’s up the CinC to make policy. Trump doesn’t do policy. Trump tweets.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:39:59pm

re: #141 freetoken

73 years of growth:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:40:23pm

re: #87 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, please. The added weight - at least 200 lbs - would have destabilized the missile. It would have gone ass over teakettle and possibly have hit the plane.

It’s a Schwarzenegger movie, what did you expect?

////

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fern01  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:40:51pm

re: #2 Stanley Sea

The outcry about President Obama playing golf - and now we have trump. I am reminded of Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:41:29pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

he even repeats himself in his tweets…what a dweeb…

[Embedded content]My thoughts are with all those observing Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish year.

if you’re gonna rank them, my understanding is that the sabbath, actually mentioned as one of the ten commandments, is “holier” than yom kippur

though in using that picture, i wonder whether he’ll be atoning for his own sins….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:42:15pm

re: #147 dangerman

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:42:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:44:28pm
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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:44:34pm

They are doing such great work. In the video I saw the biggest paella pan I’ve ever seen.

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fern01  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:45:38pm

re: #20 bratwurst

I would really like to believe that any other administration in American history would have been embarrassed to nominate this man.

They have a very small pool to choose from - the reality being that no-one of intelligent sane mind wants to work in this administration. No other administration would have employed 99% of the folks trump has appointed. I’m trying to find a name for that 1%.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:45:40pm

re: #95 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:47:24pm

re: #151 JordanRules

They are doing such great work. In the video I saw the biggest paella pan I’ve ever seen.

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He’s my favorite restauranteur.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:47:47pm

re: #153 Dave In Austin

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Creepy.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:48:12pm

re: #153 Dave In Austin

Gross.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:48:19pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]San Juan mayor: “If we don’t get the food and the water into people’s hands, we are going to see something close to a genocide”

im waiting for her to say:

get off the freakin’ golf course
pick up the goddam phone
and tell me exactly what the eff *you* are doing

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:48:34pm

re: #143 freetoken

Well, we have hospital ships.

And Navy resources are available to serve for emergencies, now.

It’s up the CinC to make policy. Trump doesn’t do policy. Trump tweets.

I know, we have two hospital ships, conventionally powered and in no way designed for the kind of holistic emergency response I’m envisioning.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:48:42pm

Dear Ari at MSNBC,

EVERY week is “Trump’s worst week.”

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:49:44pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

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better

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:50:06pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:50:28pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

She’s obviously concluded, correctly, that the shitbird in the white house has no better nature to appeal to, and it’s time to get in the media with negative stories about tr*mp et al. since that’s the only possible way to prod this tick on Satan’s anus into action.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:53:47pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:53:49pm

“Puerto Rico is an island surrounded by water”

I know it’s true, I heard GRIFTUS say it on TV.

Donald Trump: Big Water, Ocean Water

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:54:04pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ari Melber showed some of her plea. It’s was painful to watch.

And I was thinking, I bet someone back at the White House hearing her probably was thinking “Why doesn’t she shut up, I’m sick of hearing her whine…what does she want us to do?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:54:13pm

Folks, 1 down and 2 to go!

Who’s next????
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:54:34pm

You can tell the US super dedicated to the role of hospital ships by the fact that the two we have are 40 year old oil tankers that the Navy bought used and retrofitted.

This fucking country.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:55:36pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

You can tell the US super dedicated to the role of hospital ships by the fact that the two we have are 40 year old oil tankers that the Navy bought used and retrofitted.

This fucking country.

Well you can only do sooooooooooo much when you’re constrained by a 700 billion budget!

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:56:46pm
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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:57:47pm

re: #151 JordanRules

They are doing such great work. In the video I saw the biggest paella pan I’ve ever seen.

re: #154 HappyWarrior

He’s my favorite restauranteur.

That’s damn good for him to help like that.

As a side note, Andres pulled out of opening a restaurant at Trump’s Emoluments Express hotel in DC back in ‘15 over Trump’s disparagements towards Mexicans:

npr.org

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 3:59:05pm

Welp. This one bites!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:01:34pm
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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:03:38pm

re: #171 JordanRules

Welp.

In this Age of Trump, satire is truly dead, because reality is even more fucked up.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:04:18pm
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:05:27pm

re: #174 Birth Control Works

I’m holding out for the orange Trump “Scheme” eggs.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:05:31pm

???

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:05:35pm

re: #170 TedStriker

That’s right! I’d forgotten about that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:05:49pm

re: #174 Birth Control Works

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I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like then, Sam I Am!

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:05:51pm
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:05:57pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

if the Navy built a hospital from scratch, it would have stacked landing areas for helicopters, and tubes on each side for boats to drive into. The problem would be that, unless the helicopters landed or took off in pairs, the boat would tip over, and the tubes would either be too low, flooding part of the ship, or too high to get into, depending on how many helicopters are on board.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:05:59pm

re: #175 jaunte

I’m holding out for the orange Trump “Scheme” eggs.

I don’t think I could swallow that.

:)

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:06:35pm

re: #181 Birth Control Works

Oh yeah, definitely inedible.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:06:55pm

re: #176 Birth Control Works

???

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good luck dudes

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:07:12pm

re: #176 Birth Control Works

???

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Somebody loan them a couple seasons of OITNB.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:07:30pm
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fern01  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:08:17pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’ll just have to wait till Monday to sort this out - the president* is busy golfing all weekend

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:08:29pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

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Lance has shown me that I can be fooled by a charlatan also, so I don’t automatically assume that someone who voted for Trump is irredeemable.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:09:47pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:10:03pm

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:10:38pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:10:43pm

re: #176 Birth Control Works

Nobody knows how old this study/document is?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:11:05pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Lance has shown me that I can be fooled by a charlatan also, so I don’t automatically assume that someone who voted for Trump is irredeemable.

That’s a good way to think about it.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:11:45pm

re: #190 Birth Control Works

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:12:29pm

re: #191 JordanRules

Nobody knows how old this study/document is?

just appearred on twitter afaik

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:12:30pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Lance has shown me that I can be fooled by a charlatan also, so I don’t automatically assume that someone who voted for Trump is irredeemable.

Armstrong was far less transparent. I mean, he fooled a decade of drug tests. To be comparable to Trump, Lance would have had to basically say “No, I’m not going to submit to drug tests, and I’m gonna race anyway”.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:12:45pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

Wingnuts would never go for it. All they’d see is “other people” benefiting from “their” tax dollars.

They would rather spend trillions to kill people than billions to help them.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:12:46pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:12:56pm

This is how the Price firing went down prolly

The Sopranos Tony is angry HD

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fern01  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:13:03pm

re: #166 Joe Bacon 🌹

My hope for the next man to go is Mnuchin - anyone with such a name has no place in modern society - and apart from that the damage he can do to the world economy is truly frightening.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:13:19pm

re: #199 fern01

My hope for the next man to go is Mnuchin - anyone with such a name has no place in modern society - and apart from that the damage he can do to the world economy is truly frightening.

DeVos!

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:13:45pm

re: #199 fern01

My hope for the next man to go is Mnuchin - anyone with such a name has no place in modern society - and apart from that the damage he can do to the world economy is truly frightening.

Plus he has fish lips.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:13:49pm

re: #191 JordanRules

Nobody knows how old this study/document is?

“…rumoured paper thought to suggest…”

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:14:02pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

I know, we have two hospital ships, conventionally powered and in no way designed for the kind of holistic emergency response I’m envisioning.

They could, at least, provide fresh water.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:14:13pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:14:37pm

re: #192 Stanley Sea

That’s a good way to think about it.

On the other hand, if I were still defending him, then I would be difficult to redeem, like anybody who doesn’t see Trump as a destructive racist at this point…

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:14:45pm

Puerto Rico is an island surrounded by water.

I’m still shaking my head.

I’d make a t-shirt, but I just can’t.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:15:07pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

“…rumoured paper thought to suggest…”

ah!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:16:26pm

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

They would rather spend trillions to kill people than billions to help them.

And killing them is cheaper.

“Human beings are fragile, watery things. Death spells are the easiest magic there is.” - Larry Niven, The Magic Goes Away.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:16:31pm

re: #171 JordanRules

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Welp. This one bites!

Its not funny, because its true.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:16:46pm

re: #197 Birth Control Works

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:16:54pm

re: #159 Ace Rothstein

Dear Ari at MSNBC,

EVERY week is “Trump’s worst week.”

The way I looked at that claim was Trump is not getting better at Presidenting. And I think that is a good thing because it just adds more reasons for the Republican Congress to force him out or kick him out.

I still think every dumb week Trump has causes another number of their voting base to grow frustrated and then lighting fires under the feet of their Reps and Senators.

There is a point this gets unsustainable. If not now, 2018. If not then, 2020. But the longer it goes on the worse it gets for them all.

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:17:12pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

Armstrong was far less transparent. I mean, he fooled a decade of drug tests. To be comparable to Trump, Lance would have had to basically say “No, I’m not going to submit to drug tests, and I’m gonna race anyway”.

He fooled some who were in charge of tests, and there was much ignoring of those who did criticize him.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:17:14pm

re: #200 Birth Control Works

DeVos!

Pruitt!

They are all killing us.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:17:23pm

re: #206 Birth Control Works

Puerto Rico is an island surrounded by water.

I’m still shaking my head.

I’d make a t-shirt, but I just can’t.

For an addled POTUS to say something like this is a problem. It’s a much larger problem when the entire GOP establishment and millions of tr*mp taint-sniffing deplorables fall in line to insist that there is no problem here, and that tr*mp is not addled.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:17:33pm

re: #176 Birth Control Works

???

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Because pure lesbian sex is hot!//

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:18:37pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Lance has shown me that I can be fooled by a charlatan also, so I don’t automatically assume that someone who voted for Trump is irredeemable.

I guess ol’ Lance figures that enough time has passed that he feels he can crawl out from under his rock.

Apologies to NDT, but fuck Lance.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:18:50pm

re: #201 Ace Rothstein

Plus he has fish lips.

I try never to make fun of someone’s looks.

But.

I saw someone describe him as a ventriloquist dummy & spat my coffee.

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:19:00pm

re: #188 jaunte

Don’t get me started on Lamar!…

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:19:11pm

re: #215 Big Beautiful Door

Because pure lesbian sex is hot!//

Thinking of the book Seven Eves.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:20:11pm

re: #210 Stanley Sea

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:20:36pm

re: #216 TedStriker

I guess ol’ Lance figures that enough time has passed that he feels he can crawl out from under his rock.

Apologies to NDT, but fuck Lance.

He never really went under. So far.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:20:59pm

re: #217 Stanley Sea

I try never to make fun of someone’s looks.

But.

I saw someone describe him as a ventriloquist dummy & spat my coffee.

The guy is an asshole so we can make an exception.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:21:00pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

He never really went under. So far.

little bit of an ego, that one.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:21:57pm

Watching Tweety, and Trump is turning into a blimp. He’s got to be close to 280 by now.

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:22:05pm

re: #223 Birth Control Works

little bit of an ego, that one.

On par with his aerobic capacity.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:23:10pm

Rep Luis Gutierrez laying it down on CNN right now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:23:42pm

re: #219 Birth Control Works

Thinking of the book Seven Eves.

Good book!

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:23:54pm

Here come the Trump DOJ fascists to criminalize dissent:

“…Facebook was initially served the warrants in February 2017 along with a gag order which barred the social media company from alerting the three users that the government was seeking their private information, Michelman said. However, Michelman says that government attorneys dropped the gag order in mid-September and agreed that Facebook could expose the existence of these warrants, which has prompted the latest court filings. Michelman, however, says all court filings associated with the search warrant, and any response from Facebook, remain under seal.

The Justice Department is not commenting on these search warrants, but government attorneys have issued a similar search warrant to the web provider DreamHost seeking wide-ranging information about visitors to the website disruptj20.org, which provided a forum for anti-Trump protestors. In that case, DOJ modified its initial search warrant seeking millions of IP address for the visitors who merely clicked on the disruptj20.org website. But DC Superior Court Judge Robert Morin largely granted prosecutors’ request to collect a vast set of records from the company, which will include emails of the users who signed up for an account associated with the website, and membership lists.

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whitebeach  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:24:17pm

One of the many shitty things about this Puerto Rico disaster is that if we only had decent relations with our neighbors, Cuba could have had about a thousand doctors and two thousand nurses and tons of medicine landing in San Juan within three days of Maria.

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:25:09pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

He never really went under. So far.

Well, I hadn’t heard much about him since it was confirmed he doped and he was stripped of his TdF victories (and others too?).

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:25:19pm

re: #229 whitebeach

One of the many shitty things about this Puerto Rico disaster is that if we only had decent relations with our neighbors, Cuba could have had about a thousand doctors and two thousand nurses and tons of medicine landing in San Juan within three days of Maria.

Thanks, Obama.
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:25:40pm

re: #216 TedStriker

I guess ol’ Lance figures that enough time has passed that he feels he can crawl out from under his rock.

Apologies to NDT, but fuck Lance.

My personal take is that if somebody manages to get to retirement in a sport without getting caught doping, you throw away all the samples and stop looking. Otherwise, you should ask Indurain, Hinault, and Merckx, to provide contemporary blood samples, and dig up Anquetil’s grave and test his bones. Merckx and Anquetil, IIRC, both owned up to doping during their careers. But they keep their palmares.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:26:17pm

re: #169 Birth Control Works

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Saw that this morning in the overnight thread.

I commented that in all his plea for diversity he did not mention religious diversity.

And the reason I said it is the Air Force Academy is getting criticism for being extremely pro-fundamentalist/Evangelical religious.

And maybe that also leads to some of their other race problems.

It makes me wonder.

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:26:32pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:26:38pm

BLASPHEMY!!!
Burn the witches

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:27:22pm

re: #233 ObserverArt

Saw that this morning in the overnight thread.

I commented that in all his plea for diversity he did not mention religious diversity.

And the reason I said it is the Air Force Academy is getting criticism for being extremely pro-fundamentalist/Evangelical religious.

And maybe that also leads to some of their other race problems.

It makes me wonder.

good point!

I’ve met at least on of the religious Whackos from the Air Force.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:28:36pm

re: #235 FormerDirtDart

BLASPHEMY!!!
Burn the witches

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How could they be that old when the Earth has only been around for 6,000 years?

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:29:41pm

So hubby and I are catching up on American Horror Story.

The first episode shows the election.

Yes, true horror.

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Interesting Times  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:30:13pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:30:17pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:30:39pm

re: #238 Birth Control Works

So hubby and I are catching up on American Horror Story.

The first episode shows the election.

Yes, true horror.

actually, I’m sick to my stomach watching it.

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Skip Intro  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:32:19pm

re: #240 FormerDirtDart

Does that include the Golden Daughter?

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:32:56pm

re: #237 Ace Rothstein

How could they be that old when the Earth has only been around for 6,000 years?

Devil Tricks!!

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:33:23pm

bbl

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:33:44pm

re: #240 FormerDirtDart

This is what happens when you turn the government over to people who don’t believe government has a role in making the lives of the governed better. If your role as a Cabinet Secretary is not to run your Department as efficiently as possible to do as much good as possible, then it must be just to enjoy the perqs.

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petesh  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:34:18pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

Upding for the q

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:34:42pm

re: #239 Interesting Times

And do you ever stop to think why they lean D Ana? Your party did it in New Orleans and Puerto Rico.

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fern01  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:35:04pm

re: #200 Birth Control Works

DeVos!

At least I can pronounce her name - and she only has the education budget to grift with - Mnuchin has the treasury funds

And - as an aside - pleasing to see that the ms spell checker has not yet caught up with Mnuchin - probably won’t be around for long. I do love that Obamacare is a valid word in same spell checker.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:37:14pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:37:16pm

re: #224 Ace Rothstein

Watching Tweety, and Trump is turning into a blimp. He’s got to be close to 280 by now.

Perhaps tr*mp can do a Mr. Creosote impression as his final act.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:37:41pm

re: #235 FormerDirtDart

Although the NYPost article correctly cites another scientist who points out that their conclusions rest largely on their assumptions, which may not be accurate, the headline still screams certainty. And since the doubter is in the next to last paragraph, few will get that far.

The popular press never seem to comprehend the nature of scientific uncertainty.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:39:06pm

re: #249 jaunte

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There is a different level of resolve for the wingnuts when it comes to killing brown people vs. helping brown people….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:40:05pm

re: #246 petesh

Upding for the q

Hey, thanks!

Cheers!
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:40:42pm

re: #252 b.d. (bill d.)

There is a different level of resolve for the wingnuts when it comes to killing brown people vs. helping brown people….

Imagine how much less it would’ve cost if we had recognized Vietnamese independence in 1945, or 1954, then sent them aid.

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:40:52pm

re: #224 Ace Rothstein

Watching Tweety, and Trump is turning into a blimp. He’s got to be close to 280 by now.

Trump: William Howard Taft for the 21st century…without the intelligence, service to nation, or basic decency.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:42:25pm

re: #92 dangerman

slightly disagree

he’s gone because the story got to the point that it made trump look bad

Slightly disagree. He made a promise to the Boy Scouts of America that they would replace Obamacare and Price’s neck was on the line. 30, 000 screaming tweens. He had to act.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:42:46pm

lol, oh dear God:

Twitter really is the gift of Satan.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:42:55pm

re: #224 Ace Rothstein

Watching Tweety, and Trump is turning into a blimp. He’s got to be close to 280 by now.

He WAS 280, back when he claimed to be 235. The guy is 6’2”. I know what 235 looks like on 6’, and it’s not as fat as he was then.

Now? He’s gotta be pushing 300.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:43:51pm

re: #257 b.d. (bill d.)

There really is a tweet for every occasion.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:44:09pm

Dishwasher loaded
Only one pan soaking.
= 26 comments.

not bad

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William Lewis  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:44:48pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

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Good, but not quite the greatest…
“In 1938, some months after the initial publication of The Hobbit, J. R. R. Tolkien and his British publisher, Stanley Unwin, opened talks with Rütten & Loening, a Berlin-based publishing house who were keen to translate the novel for the German market. All was going well until, in July, they wrote to Tolkien and asked for proof of his Aryan descent. Tolkien was furious, and forwarded their letter to his publisher along with two possible replies — one in which their question was delicately side-stepped, and one, seen below, in which Tolkien made his displeasure known with considerable style.

It is unknown which reply was sent.

(Source: The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien)”

25 July 1938
20 Northmoor Road, Oxford

Dear Sirs,

Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject — which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.

Your enquiry is doubtless made in order to comply with the laws of your own country, but that this should be held to apply to the subjects of another state would be improper, even if it had (as it has not) any bearing whatsoever on the merits of my work or its sustainability for publication, of which you appear to have satisfied yourselves without reference to my Abstammung.

I trust you will find this reply satisfactory, and

remain yours faithfully,

J. R. R. Tolkien

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:46:17pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

They’d considered making it every time the yam says, “Believe me!” but realized they’d be out of business within days.

Not to mention the alcohol poisonings they’d be responsible for.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:46:35pm

re: #259 Ace Rothstein

There really is a tweet for every occasion.

It’s eerie. It’s like once you tweet something the entire karmasphere starts to work against you.

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Jay C  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:47:07pm

re: #229 whitebeach

One of the many shitty things about this Puerto Rico disaster is that if we only had decent relations with our neighbors, Cuba could have had about a thousand doctors and two thousand nurses and tons of medicine landing in San Juan within three days of Maria.

SRSLY? Hasn’t Cuba also been hit by Harvey/Jose/Maria pretty badly as well (though AFA the US media is concerned, it could have been sunk in the Carribbean, and the news might maybe have gotten out after a week or so)? I’m guessing Cuban medical personnel have enough to deal with at home. Though I’m sure that if they weren’t *Cuban* - i.e. Commie doctors and Commie nurses hopelessly infected with Commie Cooties* - there might have been SOME sort of aid they might have sent. If only…

*shaped like little hammer-and-sickles. With legs. And considered highly (if not fatally) infectious….

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:47:37pm

Further proof a loving Dog watches over and protects us
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William Lewis  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:48:05pm

re: #254 Big Beautiful Door

Imagine how much less it would’ve cost if we had recognized Vietnamese independence in 1945, or 1954, then sent them aid.

The single biggest mistake in post-war US history was when Truman overturned FDR’s order that colonies would not be given back. Had the US recognized Vietnamese independence in 1945 - along with that of EVERY OTHER COLONY - the world would have been a much better place.

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Interesting Times  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:48:27pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:48:38pm

Just…like…clockwork.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:49:45pm

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:50:05pm

re: #268 Ace Rothstein

Just…like…clockwork.

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Sure. Along with all of the rest of the GOP. And if they’d just get replaced by Democrats, that would be fantastic.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:51:09pm

re: #268 Ace Rothstein

Just…like…clockwork.

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Somewhere John Boehner is enjoying the f*ck out of a stress free cocktail.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:51:11pm

re: #265 FormerDirtDart

Further proof a loving Dog watches over and protects us
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I would never have known either way. So it goes.

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petesh  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:51:14pm

re: #254 Big Beautiful Door

Imagine how much less it would’ve cost if we had recognized Vietnamese independence in 1945, or 1954, then sent them aid.

When I was studying international relations (1967–70), the accepted conclusion was that, setting aside the human misery entailed by several million deaths, it would have been far cheaper for the US to buy Vietnam than to detonate all that ordnance. By “buy” we of course meant development aid and assistance, justified to Congress as necessary for building a ballpark against communism.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:51:29pm

Switching the SiriusXM channel since Sally Quinn is coming up on the next Hardball segment…

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:52:06pm

re: #271 b.d. (bill d.)

Somewhere John Boehner is enjoying the f*ck out of a stress free cocktail.

And a Marlboro red.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:52:16pm

So glad I suspended my account.

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:52:29pm

re: #250 EPR-radar

Perhaps tr*mp can do a Mr. Creosote impression as his final act.

“Maybe just one thin mint…”

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:52:40pm

re: #52 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ooh, yeah. Literally half my application was, “Are you, your parents, your grandparents, your spouse, or your mother’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s wife’s dog related to, descended from, affiliated with, or have ever spoken the name of Pakistan aloud in a casual conversation?”

Of course “Beats the living fucking Christ out of me, buddy,” is not an acceptable answer.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:52:45pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

What the actual bejesusing fuck. There’s a reason I keep my phone set to “silent” 24/7.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:53:24pm

re: #277 TedStriker

Yes, Give President Lardass another thin mint with two scoops of ice cream!

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:53:55pm

re: #267 Interesting Times

Fun with logic on a Friday:

1) There is no construction of a giant gold statue of tr*mp on the white house lawn on a motorized base designed to perpetually face the sun.

2) Had anyone ever mentioned this idea to tr*mp, such construction would have been immediately ordered.

3) Therefore the people that surround tr*mp have remarkably impoverished imaginations when it comes to pleasuring Dear Leader.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:54:25pm

re: #278 Romantic Heretic

Of course “Beats the living fucking Christ out of me, buddy,” is not an acceptable answer.

Yeah, pretty sure that would lead to a big fat REJECTED.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:54:37pm

re: #273 petesh

When I was studying international relations (1967–70), the accepted conclusion was that, setting aside the human misery entailed by several million deaths, it would have been far cheaper for the US to buy Vietnam than to detonate all that ordnance. By “buy” we of course meant development aid and assistance, justified to Congress as necessary for building a ballpark against communism.

We dropped more bombs during Vietnam than we did in WWII.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:55:13pm

re: #283 Big Beautiful Door

We dropped more bombs during Vietnam than we did in WWII.

How in the hell is Vietnam still attached to the rest of the Asian continent?

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fern01  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:55:33pm

re: #271 b.d. (bill d.)

Somewhere John Boehner is enjoying the f*ck out of a stress free cocktail.

Boehner joins GWB - looking good in the face of the current clusterfuck - no longer having to hide away.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:55:57pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

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So glad I suspended my account.

I’d miss the cute baby pictures of my great niece.

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petesh  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:56:42pm

re: #283 Big Beautiful Door

We dropped more bombs during Vietnam than we did in WWII.

Who we? I was British then … the 1960s were actually kind of a good time to be British, what with giving independence to colonies and inventing modern rock music and miniskirts.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:57:15pm

re: #285 fern01

Boehner joins GWB - looking good in the face of the current clusterfuck - no longer having to hide away.

Another similarity between Boehner and GWB is that they were both quite the clusterfucks themselves back in the day, and can rightly be blamed for a nontrivial fraction of the present madness of US politics.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:57:46pm

re: #283 Big Beautiful Door

We dropped more bombs during Vietnam than we did in WWII.

Yeah, but we were also at it longer.
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Jay C  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:58:20pm

re: #266 William Lewis

The single biggest mistake in post-war US history was when Truman overturned FDR’s order that colonies would not be given back. Had the US recognized Vietnamese independence in 1945 - along with that of EVERY OTHER COLONY - the world would have been a much better place.

Though your point is quite correct; in 1946, Vietnam was in no way “ours” not to be “given back”. Despite support we gave (or directed to be given) to various anti-Japanese/anti-Vichy-French groups in Vietnam during the war (including Ho Chi Minh’s Viet Minh movement); Indochina was still considered a French sphere-of-influence, and Truman had to balance the considerations of an obscure local [Communist] resistance group in a remote Asian country vs. that of France and (mainly) Charles De Gaulle.
I agree that - in retrospect - he made quite the wrong decision in backing De Gaulle’s “recolonization” project, but it wasn’t an aberrant decision on Harry’s part.

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fern01  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:58:55pm

re: #288 EPR-radar

Another similarity between Boehner and GWB is that they were both quite the clusterfucks themselves back in the day, and can rightly be blamed for a nontrivial fraction of the present madness of US politics.

No argument from me on this one - but the current extension of stupid is making them look quite sane - the bar is a mile underground.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 4:59:35pm

re: #289 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but we were also at it longer.
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We had a lot longer to accomplish a lot less with a heckuva lot more ordinance. Profit!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:02:19pm

re: #292 Big Beautiful Door

We had a lot longer to accomplish a lot less with a heckuva lot more ordinance. Profit!

And in a lot smaller space, too… hence my earlier comment. It’s one thing to be dropping bombs all across Europe and the southwest Pacific. Focusing the full might of the USAF on a tiny little strip of Asian seashore seems like it would only end in reshaping the coastline.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:03:03pm

re: #290 Jay C

Though your point is quite correct; in 1946, Vietnam was in no way “ours” not to be “given back”. Despite support we gave (or directed to be given) to various anti-Japanese/anti-Vichy-French groups in Vietnam during the war (including Ho Chi Minh’s Viet Minh movement); Indochina was still considered a French sphere-of-influence, and Truman had to balance the considerations of an obscure local [Communist] resistance group in a remote Asian country vs. that of France and (mainly) Charles De Gaulle.
I agree that - in retrospect - he made quite the wrong decision in backing De Gaulle’s “recolonization” project, but it wasn’t an aberrant decision on Harry’s part.

Nevertheless, still the wrong decision, as it was also a very bad decision by France to try to reclaim Indochina, where they suffered massive casualties during their phase of the war. it should have given us a hint when France wouldn’t have anything to do with our effort to retain control of South Vietnam.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:03:51pm

re: #290 Jay C

Though your point is quite correct; in 1946, Vietnam was in no way “ours” not to be “given back”. Despite support we gave (or directed to be given) to various anti-Japanese/anti-Vichy-French groups in Vietnam during the war (including Ho Chi Minh’s Viet Minh movement); Indochina was still considered a French sphere-of-influence, and Truman had to balance the considerations of an obscure local [Communist] resistance group in a remote Asian country vs. that of France and (mainly) Charles De Gaulle.
I agree that - in retrospect - he made quite the wrong decision in backing De Gaulle’s “recolonization” project, but it wasn’t an aberrant decision on Harry’s part.

Ike opposing the French, British and Israelis in their colonial military adventure vs. Egypt in the Seuz crisis was a big deal. The US actually aligned with the Soviet Union, which was exceedingly rare in the cold war era.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:04:22pm

One for every occasion

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:04:30pm

re: #291 fern01

No argument from me on this one - but the current extension of stupid is making them look quite sane - the bar is a mile underground.

Who would’ve thought that the GOP could come up with a President who makes GWB look good in comparison?

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:05:03pm

re: #287 petesh

Who we? I was British then … the 1960s were actually kind of a good time to be British, what with giving independence to colonies and inventing modern rock music and miniskirts.

And Monty Python, Dr. Who, Mr. Chips, Arthur Treacher’s Fish and Chips…. Not sure about the last one.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:05:36pm

re: #143 freetoken

Well, we have hospital ships.

And Navy resources are available to serve for emergencies, now.

It’s up the CinC to make policy. Trump doesn’t do policy. Trump tweets.

Apparently the USNS Comfort was finally issued orders to sail for Puerto Rico.

Trump has spent his time tweeting and bitching about the NFL instead of making sure that Americans are safe and that Americans in Puerto Rico get the assistance they need and deserve - without the fucking strings attached that Trump thinks should be because Puerto Rico has debt (and that debt also exists for Texas and Florida).

The entire cabal is rotten to the core, and Price getting resigned is only the latest sign of the rot that starts at the top.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:05:45pm

re: #293 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And in a lot smaller space, too… hence my earlier comment. It’s one thing to be dropping bombs all across Europe and the southwest Pacific. Focusing the full might of the USAF on a tiny little strip of Asian seashore seems like it would only end in reshaping the coastline.

A lot of that ordinance was dropped on the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Laos and Cambodia.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:07:56pm
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:13:10pm

Thread: GOP domestic corruption makes the rest of the world less stable.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:13:39pm

I see Fox News treats Puerto Rico news with the importance it deserves, 11 pages of scrolling down for the first mention. Assholes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:15:12pm

re: #303 Single-handed sailor

I see Fox News treats Puerto Rico news with the importance it deserves, 11 pages of scrolling down for the first mention. Assholes.

I bet they are all over the story of America hating football players though!/

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:15:47pm

re: #300 Big Beautiful Door

A lot of that ordinance was dropped on the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Laos and Cambodia.

I suppose it’s the difference between B-17’s and B-24’s, and B-52’s, too.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:16:51pm

re: #303 Single-handed sailor

I see Fox News treats Puerto Rico news with the importance it deserves, 11 pages of scrolling down for the first mention. Assholes.

A propaganda campaign can be accomplished simply by choosing which stories to cover and which to ignore. Fox News knows its viewers are stupid and easily led, so they find it useful to also indulge in blatant lies.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:16:59pm

re: #304 Big Beautiful Door

I bet they are all over the story of America hating football players though!/

even more important than that, “Viewer outrage at anti-Trump ‘Will & Grace’ episode.”

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:17:23pm
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:17:24pm

re: #304 Big Beautiful Door

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:17:25pm

re: #304 Big Beautiful Door

I bet they are all over the story of America hating football players though!/

That’s probably 10 of the top 11 pages.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:17:35pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:17:47pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:18:22pm

re: #296 FormerDirtDart

One for every occasion

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The photogs are dying to get a shot of him golfing tomorrow.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:18:59pm

re: #263 b.d. (bill d.)

It’s eerie. It’s like once you tweet something the entire karmasphere starts to work against you.

if you have no principles, you will eventually show your true self.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:19:36pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

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Weaselone  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:20:15pm

re: #302 jaunte

Thread: GOP domestic corruption makes the rest of the world less stable.

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Given that the US adopting 2nd World trappings under Trump and the Republicans leads to weakness and decline, it would seem like it would be a cautionary tale to other nations. Be like the US under Democrats, not Republicans.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:20:23pm

re: #311 darthstar

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Seriously, is Banjo being a great big bro & teaching him the ropes?

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:20:24pm

re: #311 darthstar

Looks like your pooches know all about oceans and big water…. as much as Trump does.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:20:30pm

re: #283 Big Beautiful Door

We dropped more bombs during Vietnam than we did in WWII.

Profit$!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:20:34pm

re: #313 Stanley Sea

The photogs are dying to get a shot of him golfing tomorrow.

The President is not golfing. He is having a meeting with several top men in a secluded private location.

Which men?

TOP. MEN.

[Cut to Trump slicing a shot into a dense forest, alone with his caddy.]

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:21:30pm

re: #315 Bubblehead II

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:22:50pm

re: #303 Single-handed sailor

I see Fox News treats Puerto Rico news with the importance it deserves, 11 pages of scrolling down for the first mention. Assholes.

Along those lines.
Trump needs to see something on TV for it to be real.
Trump only watches FOX.
FOX isn’t covering the disaster in Puerto Rico
Ergo, recovery operations must be proceeding well

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:22:58pm

re: #320 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m just waiting for the inevitable leak of truly embarrassing information about tr*mp — evidence that tr*mp alleges his score for 18 holes of golf is 17 strokes or less.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:24:40pm

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

Along those lines.
Trump needs to see something on TV for it to be real.
Trump only watches FOX.
FOX isn’t covering the disaster in Puerto Rico
Ergo, recovery operations must be proceeding well

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Correction: “Ergo, the disaster must not be as bad as people are making it out to be.” He couldn’t give two shits about how the recovery is proceeding if he doesn’t think it was ever a problem in the first place.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:25:15pm

re: #283 Big Beautiful Door

We dropped more bombs during Vietnam than we did in WWII.

On another note I had a cousin who biked through Vietnam in the late 90s. As a Canadian they didn’t mind.

She was warned that under no circumstances was she to leave the road. Not because it was illegal. But because there was so much unexploded ordnance that it was likely she’d be killed or maimed if she did.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:27:03pm

Very bad

Trump did hold a meeting at his golf club that Friday with half a dozen Cabinet officials — including Acting Homeland Security Secretary Elaine Duke, who oversees disaster response — but the gathering was held to discuss his new refugee travel ban, not the hurricane. Duke and Trump spoke briefly about Puerto Rico, but did not talk again until Tuesday, an administration official said.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:28:47pm

re: #325 Romantic Heretic

On another note I had a cousin who biked through Vietnam in the late 90s. As a Canadian they didn’t mind.

She was warned that under no circumstances was she to leave the road. Not because it was illegal. But because there was so much unexploded ordnance that it was likely she’d be killed or maimed if she did.

When you drop millions of tons of bombs, a fair percentage of that is going to fail to go off. During the V-2 raids on London, it was determined that the bombs could be defeated by determining the incoming trajectory and saturating the path with large caliber anti-aircraft fire, but they calculated that the huge amount of ammunition needed to give a reasonable chance of success would result in so much unexploded ordnance that it would actually do more damage to surrounding areas than just letting the warhead explode in the first place.

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William Lewis  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:29:54pm

re: #325 Romantic Heretic

On another note I had a cousin who biked through Vietnam in the late 90s. As a Canadian they didn’t mind.

She was warned that under no circumstances was she to leave the road. Not because it was illegal. But because there was so much unexploded ordnance that it was likely she’d be killed or maimed if she did.

I dearly loved being in Vietnam in 2002 for our adoption. Saigon remains a very cosmopolitan community and there was a delight in being able to go to a Pho soup store across the street from the hotel for breakfast, to a used bookstore for later, to excellent museums, and to hang out with the vets (ARVN, NVA & VC) I’d met and drink coffee on the sidewalks. Like the best of Europe and Asia in a small little bundle of joy.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:30:55pm

Wish all my Jewish friends here an easy fast.

Yom Kippur is about Atonement.

This nation will need to atone for what has transpired over the past ~18 months as Trump has overrun the nation and thrown everything into chaos. People are dying and will die thanks to Trump’s obscenity of an administration that is hellbent on looting the treasury for personal gain and shifting all the burdens onto everyone but the rich.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:30:56pm

re: #328 William Lewis

I dearly loved being in Vietnam in 2002 for our adoption. Saigon remains a very cosmopolitan community and there was a delight in being able to go to a Pho soup store across the street from the hotel for breakfast, to a used bookstore for later, to excellent museums, and to hang out with the vets (ARVN, NVA & VC) I’d met and drink coffee on the sidewalks. Like the best of Europe and Asia in a small little bundle of joy.

The Hmong people have a strong representation here in the wild north country. I should go down to their enclave on University Avenue and try some of the cuisine. It’s one of the ones I haven’t tried yet.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:34:17pm

LOL.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:37:44pm

re: #330 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The Hmong people have a strong representation here in the wild north country. I should go down to their enclave on University Avenue and try some of the cuisine. It’s one of the ones I haven’t tried yet.

I’ve been to little Saigon in Westminster Orange Co.

Best french food.
followed by the best Vietnamese coffee.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:40:17pm

re: #317 Stanley Sea

Seriously, is Banjo being a great big bro & teaching him the ropes?

Not exactly…he was just enjoying going after his ball. Merle thought he’d step onto the water (because we tell our pets they’re all the Messiah)… Here he is right as he surfaces.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:40:47pm

re: #333 darthstar

Not exactly…he was just enjoying going after his ball. Merle thought he’d step onto the water (because we tell our pets they’re all the Messiah)… Here he is right as he surfaces.

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I love the raised eyebrows from Banjo in that shot.

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William Lewis  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:43:47pm

re: #329 lawhawk

Yom Kippur is about Atonement.

This is a lesson we Christians need to be reminded of. We talk a lot about repentance and it, too, is important. But we forget the atonement. I think it has something to do with the idea that Jesus didn’t talk about it. Why should he? It’s like a fish talking about water.

None of us are perfect and we all screw up. The way back to the light; to the divine; to what is right - to repent and to atone. We forget this at our peril.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:44:47pm

re: #334 darthstar

I love the raised eyebrows from Banjo in that shot.

Only dad can see that.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:44:49pm
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darthstar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:46:55pm

re: #336 Stanley Sea

Only dad can see that.

That’s funny. I am very well tuned to his emotional state. I figured anyone could see it.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:47:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:48:24pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:48:25pm

Dan Diamond on CNN talking about his Politico story on Price.

Whoooowhee

Politico is killing it.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:49:05pm

This Washington Post story is the real bombshell tonight. Incredibly damning.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:49:30pm

re: #338 darthstar

Ha! I was looking hard and then scrolled up like there must be another pic I missed.

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:50:06pm

re: #176 Birth Control Works

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:51:29pm

More Politico

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:52:01pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:53:44pm
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darthstar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:56:44pm

One more shot from this morning. This handsome boy with the piercing blue eyes is Cowboy. Merle seems to like big dogs better than little ones.

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Interesting Times  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:57:08pm

re: #347 Charles Johnson

How successful? This successful: Hurricane Maria’s death toll in Puerto Rico is higher than official count, experts say

Cotté is one of the unaccounted victims of Maria, the potent hurricane that devastated all of Puerto Rico with sustained winds and gusts of up to 200 miles per hour. On Wednesday, the Puerto Rico government, maintained that the official number of deaths as a result of the catastrophe was 16. But the Center for Investigative Journalism (CPI, for its initials in Spanish) has confirmed that there are dozens of hurricane-related deaths and the number could rise to the hundreds.

The storm-related fatalities are mounting with each passing day, and official numbers are not counting patients who are not receiving dialysis, oxygen and other essential services.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:58:42pm

re: #344 teleskiguy

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Speaking of Mars, Elon Musk is now planning to send people there in seven years. I don’t think for a second that he’ll make that deadline, but I appreciate him exceeding his grasp, because its vitally important to establish a self-sustaining human colony on another planet as soon as possible. I use to be fairly optimistic about our future, but the election convinced me a large percentage of humanity is hell-bent on destroying the planet, and we’ll be lucky if they fail.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:59:09pm

re: #345 Stanley Sea

More Politico

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Welcome to reality TV based living, General…if you’re still getting stabbed in the back after a week you haven’t learned how to walk and keep a wall behind you.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:00:46pm

re: #344 teleskiguy

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I guess an all male crew would go gay about 30 days in.

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:01:00pm

re: #293 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And in a lot smaller space, too… hence my earlier comment. It’s one thing to be dropping bombs all across Europe and the southwest Pacific. Focusing the full might of the USAF on a tiny little strip of Asian seashore seems like it would only end in reshaping the coastline.

Vietnam is bigger than Florida.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:01:03pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:02:28pm

re: #353 teleskiguy

Vietnam is bigger than Florida.

Yes, but is it bigger than Germany, France, Italy, and the South Pacific Islands all combined? It may be, at that… I guess I just haven’t done the math.

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:02:28pm

re: #340 Charles Johnson

The Bush response to Katrina was awful. This is worse.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 30, 2017

At least with W’s crew, you could chalk it up to incompetence; here, however, you can add in carelessness, outright neglect, and, perhaps, given what Trump has said about Hispanics in general, some degree of malice.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:04:10pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

This Washington Post story is the real bombshell tonight. Incredibly damning.

A Friday night news dump.

On a day where Price getting resigned would be the big news.

Trump simply couldn’t be bothered with the impending hurricane and the threat it posed. He was too concerned with his 9 iron to give a shit about millions of American citizens in harms’ way to get things mobilized so that the US could respond quickly. Even after waiting 4 days, he still wasn’t mobilizing the full power of the military and other agencies to get aid to Puerto Rico.

You’re right - this is a whole different level of failure from Katrina. This was a willing and knowing failure.

Trump and his cronies can’t claim they didn’t know. Everyone from NOAA to NHC to the local fucking weather reporters were warning of dire consequences.

Trump golfed the weekend away.

The same fucking Trump who said he wouldn’t have time to golf like Obama spent the weekend Maria hit Puerto Rico golfing and ignoring the duties and obligations of the President of the United States.

He violated his oath.

He failed Puerto Rico. He failed America.

The GOP will continue to enable this sick man all so they can further their own craven agenda.

The GOP is thoroughly debased and has sided with evil.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:04:32pm

re: #350 Big Beautiful Door

Speaking of Mars, Elon Musk is now planning to send people there in seven years. I don’t think for a second that he’ll make that deadline, but I appreciate him exceeding his grasp, because its vitally important to establish a self-sustaining human colony on another planet as soon as possible. I use to be fairly optimistic about our future, but the election convinced me a large percentage of humanity is hell-bent on destroying the planet, and we’ll be lucky if they fail.

Well, let’s be realistic, in 1960 putting a man on the Moon in a decade was pretty much an impossible task. We’d barely mastered putting men into Earth orbit reliably and that was only through converting ICBMs into launch platforms for manned missions. If JFK had not set the deadline of 1969, it’s doubtful we’d have made it to the Moon as soon as we did.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:05:34pm

re: #353 teleskiguy

Vietnam is bigger than Florida.

Can you imagine the damage we could’ve done dropping all that ordinance on Florida?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:06:28pm

re: #352 Single-handed sailor

I guess an all male crew would go gay about 30 days in.

Think it’d take that long?

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:09:36pm

re: #359 Big Beautiful Door

Can you imagine the damage we could’ve done dropping all that ordinance on Florida?

Another metric to keep in mind is population. In 1975 Vietnam’s population was 48 million, compared to 8.5 million at the same time in Florida.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:11:20pm

re: #346 FormerDirtDart

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GROSS

Unpopular president is going to have a fucking hard time dealing with this satisfactorily.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:12:14pm

re: #348 darthstar

One more shot from this morning. This handsome boy with the piercing blue eyes is Cowboy. Merle seems to like big dogs better than little ones.

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I love banjo (sorry big boy)

But I want 500 photos of Merle.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:16:16pm

re: #350 Big Beautiful Door

Speaking of Mars, Elon Musk is now planning to send people there in seven years. I don’t think for a second that he’ll make that deadline, but I appreciate him exceeding his grasp, because its vitally important to establish a self-sustaining human colony on another planet as soon as possible. I use to be fairly optimistic about our future, but the election convinced me a large percentage of humanity is hell-bent on destroying the planet, and we’ll be lucky if they fail.

To be blunt, if humanity is stupid enough to destroy the only real home we have, the last thing I’d want to see is it spreading to other planets to do the same.

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fern01  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:26:15pm

Dear dog - the ahole went to play golf while the people of Puerto Rico are dying through lack of assistance. As the mayor says - “this is a small island 100miles x 30 miles and the greatest nation on earth cannot work out the logistics to sort our this disaster”

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fern01  Sep 29, 2017 • 6:27:33pm

Any bets on whether the pretender in chief will cancel his trip on Tuesday (or has that already been cancelled?)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 29, 2017 • 8:36:04pm

re: #281 EPR-radar

3) Therefore the people that surround tr*mp have remarkably impoverished imaginations when it comes to pleasuring Dear Leader.

This could possibly be most horrifying sentence that I have ever read.


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