Facebook’s Russian Propaganda Was Probably Shared Hundreds of Millions of Times

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A few days ago on Twitter I made a point to MSNBC host Chris Hayes about the ads placed by Russian front groups on Facebook, after he said on his show that it seemed like $100,000 was just a “drop in the bucket” as advertising costs go:

After I tweeted this, I immediately heard from a gaggle of right wing trolls and Trump cultists mocking and deriding my comment, demanding proof, throwing insults, you know the drill.

Well, now we have a study from the Tow Center for Digital Journalism at Columbia University that backs up my statement very nicely: Russian propaganda may have been shared hundreds of millions of times, new research says.

Facebook has said ads bought by Russian operatives reached 10 million of its users.

But does that include everyone reached by the information operation? Couldn’t the Russians also have created simple — and free — Facebook posts and hoped they went viral? And if so, how many times were these messages seen by Facebook’s massive user base?

The answers to those questions, which social media analyst Jonathan Albright studied for a research document he posted online Thursday, are: No. Yes. And hundreds of millions — perhaps many billions — of times.

“The primary push to influence wasn’t necessarily through paid advertising,” said Albright, research director of the Tow Center for Digital Journalism at Columbia University. “The best way to to understand this from a strategic perspective is organic reach.”

In other words, to understand Russia’s meddling in the U.S. election, the frame should not be the reach of the 3,000 ads that Facebook handed over to Congress and that were bought by a single Russian troll farm called the Internet Research Agency. Instead, the frame should be the reach of all the activity of the Russian-controlled accounts — each post, each “like,” each comment and also all of the ads. Looked at this way, the picture shifts dramatically.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:36:24am

Pretty good investment then…

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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:36:50am

Repost from downstairs:

Repeal the Second Amendment

By a conservative Bret Stephens nonetheless.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:38:14am

One of the conservative successes over the years is convincing its followers (and it’s more like a cult than an affiliation) that fact checking is a conspiracy. The fact that they think Snopes, run by conservatives, is a liberal operation is a major tell.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:38:30am

re: #2 electrotek

There was a saying by a poster here, that if you want to lose elections, you try that.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:39:26am

re: #2 electrotek

Worse: “Enforce the Second Amendment.”

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:40:06am

re: #5 jaunte

We’d first have to get the SCOTUS to reverse one of their decisions.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:40:26am
We have always been at war with … . .

Gawd, history repeating itself is becoming soooo boring.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:41:22am

NRA donations to GOP in last election: $6,000,000
to dems? $100,000

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:41:22am

re: #3 Belafon

One of the conservative successes over the years is convincing its followers (and it’s more like a cult than an affiliation) that fact checking is a conspiracy. The fact that they think Snopes, run by conservatives, is a liberal operation is a major tell.

I think the Snopes couple is apolitical but that’s true, they have convinced themselves that it’s liberally biased even though it will debunk liberal myths too. But you’re right. Fact checking has become “fake@ when it points out things like Trump’s rampant dishonesty.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:42:20am

re: #2 electrotek

Repost from downstairs:

Repeal the Second Amendment

By a conservative Bret Stephens nonetheless.

I’m in the repeal the second amendment camp, but advice to this effect from a conservative pundit needs to be treated skeptically. For now, Democrats running on repeal of the second amendment is a suicide mission.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:43:55am
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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:43:59am

From the Wall Street Journal nonetheless:

Here’s a question: Do you think Paddock, if he had also spent 30 minutes on an al-Qa’ida or ISIS website, would have been allowed to get this far?

America’s surveillance state — yes, we have one — finds what it’s programmed to look for.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:45:39am

re: #8 Barefoot Grin

NRA donations to GOP in last election: $6,000,000
to dems? $100,000

Realistically, this is chump change for the Republicans. The NRA doesn’t need to donate money to exercise power. Its power is the ability to mobilize its own zealots and fellow travelers who buy into the “our gun rights are under attack” garbage to create a major primary threat to any Republican that deviates from absolute adherence to NRA gun dogma.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:45:52am
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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:47:18am

Basics of propaganda in the era of social media:

Wayne’s World - They Tell Two Friends

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:47:47am
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:49:12am

re: #10 EPR-radar

I’m in the repeal the second amendment camp, but advice to this effect from a conservative pundit needs to be treated skeptically. For now, Democrats running on repeal of the second amendment is a suicide mission.

While we have organizations that oppose the NRA, getting people to join them is tough because just opposing isn’t enough (see people’s inability to vote to keep Trump out of office).

And, in part, no group is strong enough to cause Democrats to lose elections for opposing gun regulations.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:53:57am
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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:54:37am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

What Trump fans won’t admit is it involves Dana Rohrbacher and little buddy Chuck Johnson in jail.

His proposal is acceptable.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:54:50am

re: #13 EPR-radar

Realistically, this is chump change for the Republicans. The NRA doesn’t need to donate money to exercise power. Its power is the ability to mobilize its own zealots and fellow travelers who buy into the “our gun rights are under attack” garbage to create a major primary threat to any Republican that deviates from absolute adherence to NRA gun dogma.

as i said last thread
it’s those individuals whose aggregate contributions are relevant AND
that they are active in politics - they write, call, and make their positions well known

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:55:36am
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:58:39am

re: #13 EPR-radar

Realistically, this is chump change for the Republicans. The NRA doesn’t need to donate money to exercise power. Its power is the ability to mobilize its own zealots and fellow travelers who buy into the “our gun rights are under attack” garbage to create a major primary threat to any Republican that deviates from absolute adherence to NRA gun dogma.

Good points!

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:00:05pm

How many wars can we get into at once?

In an interview before a live audience with at the Washington Post on Thursday morning, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark) said that military action against Iran is “a credible option.” Renegotiating the nuclear agreement with Iran should be an “internal allied discussion,” said Cotton, referring to the “the United States, European partners, Israel and Arab allies,” the latter two of which aren’t even part of the agreement. “Then let Iran, China and Russia be isolated in a rogues’ gallery,” he added.
thinkprogress.org

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:00:55pm

“Cotton’s analysis of the Iran deal during the interview didn’t seem to be rooted in facts. When Ignatius pushed back and noted that that European partners are committed to the deal and Secretary of Defense James Mattis has also said that the deal is in U.S. interests, Cotton simply replied that it wasn’t Mattis’ decision to make. Cotton also dismissed voices from Israel who believe that Israel is safer while the deal remains in place. Instead, he focused on the military option.”

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:01:41pm

The U.S. may be the country that gets “isolated in a rogues gallery.”

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:03:07pm

re: #6 Belafon

We’d first have to get the SCOTUS to reverse one of their decisions.

Merrick Garland was our last opportunity for the next few decades.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:04:21pm

re: #23 jaunte

Then let Iran, China and Russia be isolated in a rogues’ gallery,” he added.

oh

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:04:46pm

re: #23 jaunte

Cotton was a green beret right? Aren’t they supposed to be the super smart ones?

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:05:26pm

re: #28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I think Cotton peaked back then.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:06:02pm
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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:06:30pm

re: #28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Cotton was a green beret right? Aren’t they supposed to be the super smart ones?

He’s a fookin’ goober.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:09:33pm

I actually agree with Bret Stephens today — the Second Amendment SHOULD be repealed. But I don’t trust his motives for pushing this argument.

And I’m totally pessimistic about the chances it will happen in my lifetime. This country is in a death grip of insanity about guns.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:13:07pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Would it be worth the $$ and political shenanigans involved in repeal?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:14:12pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

I actually agree with Bret Stephens today — the Second Amendment SHOULD be repealed. But I don’t trust his motives for pushing this argument.

And I’m totally pessimistic about the chances it will happen in my lifetime. This country is in a death grip of insanity about guns.

Even if we can repeal the 2A, we can’t repeal our history of genocide and slavery. That’s at the root of our murderous contradictions. Maybe in a thousand years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:14:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:15:31pm

Stonekettle thread:

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:15:50pm

Saw some conversation about Ivanka and Don Jr getting criminal charges against them dropped from some condo scam in New York.

I saw this YouTube elsewhere from Morning Joke show today.

THe whole family is sleeze. We elected a family of criminals to be in the highest office. Way to go “law and order” conservatives and wingnuts. You put the fox in the hen house and they are eating all the chickens.

How Ivanka And Don Jr. Trump Avoided Criminal Indictment | Morning Joe | MSNBC

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:16:14pm

a list of many moving / not moving parts re guns

Moving parts:

- many kinds of easily enactable laws that target accountability and responsibility ie strict liability et al (hey, I’d even go for all gun owner juries) - opposing this lays it wide open: we want to own whatever we want and not be held accountable no matter what.
- no fly / no own list (this inevitably leads to IF we agree its necessary (terrorists at least) AND it needs to be effective, otherwise whats the point, then how regardless of who the seller is do we do this)
- a large, mostly non-participatory public - non-owners, many responsible owners that could be mobilized some way some how
- defining certain weapons as unacceptable for individual ownership

Not moving parts:
- The 2A - it’s not going anywhere or being superseded in any way - though some re-interpretation may be possible
- NRA
- registering / databases (leads immediately to paranoid thoughts of confiscation)
- quantity ownership limits - goes to registering and the same thoughts
- actual confiscating / buy back - would never be agreed to, would never be effective

this is most of the playing field

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:17:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:18:34pm
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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:18:56pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So they’re shooting into the ground, right next to the ‘high-pressure petroleum pipeline’ sign.

Genius.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:19:26pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

What tweet are you replying to? (Sometimes I can see those tweets here at work, sometimes I can’t.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:19:45pm

and this in college hoops…o.m.g.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:19:54pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thread:

The Hill ✔@thehill
GOP lawmaker defends AR-15s: They’re “not dangerous” when used appropriately hill.cm
6:25 PM - Oct 4, 2017
990 990 Replies 239 239 Retweets 190 190 likes

That fucker creeps me out any time I see him lying on TV. Which is every time I see him on TV.

They say this shit only a few days after they get their dirtbag Majority Whip Scalise back from getting shot.

What cold soulless “humans’ they are.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:20:16pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Tired of seeing assholes saying “The Constitution says…”

Shut it. Just stop right fucking there.

The Constitution also said blacks only counted as 3/5 of a person.

It was wrong and we changed it.

“Its to make sure the people can resist a tyrannical government.”

Mother fuckers, we spend BILLIONS on weapons. We’ve got drones, missiles, tanks, strike fighters, gunships, etc. You’re not going to resist shit with an AR-15.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:20:45pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]White House to media: “You have a responsibility to tell the truth”

really?
where does it say that? you got a sign on your desk or something?

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:21:01pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

And on the basis of no actual facts that find Iran out of compliance.

They’re looking to gin up a controversy where none exists.

At a time when Trump can’t deal with the mess on his plate (much of it of his own doing), he wants to open the door to another country’s nuclear threats in a region where everyone would likely want to go nuclear in short order because they’re threatened more by Iran than by Israel (yeah, I’m there - Iran’s regime is antithetical to Sunni dominated countries across the region, and Saudis, Egyptians, etc., would want nuclear weapons to offset the Iranian threat - and talk had been that Saudis would buy their capability wholesale from the Pakistanis).

Iran’s nuclear capability/threat isn’t just to counter Israel. It’s actually greater against the Sunni dominated countries in the region. That’s an entirely different problem and one that Trump doesn’t even begin to comprehend (and I doubt that his advisers do either).

It’s actually in the Saudis’ interest to not have anything disrupt the deal, because then the specter of Iran going nuclear becomes a real thing.

Israel has been surprisingly silent about the deal too - they know it’s working. After all, Bibi has spent years warning Iran was x months (or years) from going nuclear. The deal delays that time for the duration of the deal. End the deal, and the counter restarts.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:22:24pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stonekettle thread:

GOP lawmaker defends AR-15s: They’re “not dangerous” when used appropriately

VX is not dangerous when used appropriately.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:25:14pm
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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:25:40pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:26:20pm

Adventure!!

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:26:57pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔@Green_Footballs
Chuck C. Johnson is involved in so many sketchy things, it’s just a matter of time before he ends up in serious legal trouble.
2:42 PM - Oct 5, 2017
1 1 Reply Retweets likes

I will hold a one-man party if that little red headed punter gets his dumb ass indicted.

Plus, him getting in trouble might stop some of the other misfits that think they can lie their way into political power by messing with people’s lives to score points and build a base by being a complete jerk.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:27:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:27:13pm

heh

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:28:28pm

re: #45 Kragar

Tired of seeing assholes saying “The Constitution says…”

Shut it. Just stop right fucking there.

The Constitution also said blacks only counted as 3/5 of a person.

It was wrong and we changed it.

“Its to make sure the people can resist a tyrannical government.”

Mother fuckers, we spend BILLIONS on weapons. We’ve got drones, missiles, tanks, strike fighters, gunships, etc. You’re not going to resist shit with an AR-15.

You could even own a tank and a bunker, and it doesn’t mean a hill of beans against a UAV with Hellfire missile attachment. You’re still dead.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:28:36pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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He is a great proponent of the 1st Amendment as it applies to HIM.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:30:16pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:31:39pm
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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:31:56pm

re: #51 Dave In Austin

Adventure!!

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I’m gonna go with ‘nope’ for $500, Alex.

I was sweating just watching that.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:32:14pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔@Green_Footballs
After the Pentagon and numerous national security advisers begged him not to do this. It’s all about destroying Obama’s legacy.
2:54 PM - Oct 5, 2017
2 2 Replies 7 7 Retweets 25 25 likes

I hope those same people can convince congress to keep it in place and add it as another failure for the big tough Don.

His big mouth in the elections is not quite meeting up with his little dick method of chickening out on some of his promises and dumping it on Congress to solve.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:34:48pm

BBC’s “Click” technology podcast had an entire episode about this a month or so ago. bbc.co.uk

They did an experiment where they crafted ads, using the micro-target data available via Facebook, and experimented with whether or not they could change people’s underlying opinion to be more receptive to an authoritarian style of government.

Even if you don’t click on the ads. They just appear in the sidebar.

Yep. You guessed it.

Even over a short period of time - and not even counting the repeat/network effect, you can definitely move the needle on people to the point where they will choose a dictatorship over democracy.

God help us all.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:35:46pm

re: #57 Shropshire Slasher

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Video

And that’s why Webb got rich having other artists cover his songs.

That was painful, the utter painfulness of the song aside.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:36:07pm

re: #31 makeitstop

He’s a fookin’ goober.

And like Trump, he too has a big mouth and a shrinking dick when it comes to actually doing something.

These fuckers talk tough to get the elected job and then wimp out. It’s too bad their supporters are too dim to figure out they elect mouths and not brains.

All they do is talk, talk.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:38:45pm
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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:39:59pm

re: #64 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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FREAKIN’ IDIOTS!

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:40:25pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Comment from some dumb bubba watching this guy bump fire his gun.

“Hell yeah!” (pronounced : Heyyllyaaaa)

Dude probably got a woody from all that brass flying.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:44:18pm

A radio for dark matter

Dark matter is an invisible substance thought to be five times more prevalent in the universe than regular matter. According to theory, billions of dark matter particles pass through the Earth each second. We don’t notice them because they interact with regular matter only very weakly, through gravity.

So far, researchers have mostly been looking for dark matter particles. But with the dark matter radio, they want to look for dark matter waves.

Direct detection experiments for dark matter particles use large underground detectors. Researchers hope to see signals from dark matter particles colliding with the detector material. However, this only works if dark matter particles are heavy enough to deposit a detectable amount energy in the collision.

“If dark matter particles were very light, we might have a better chance of detecting them as waves rather than particles,” says Peter Graham, a theoretical physicist at the Kavli Institute for Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology, a joint institute of Stanford University and the Department of Energy’s SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory. “Our device will take the search in that direction.”

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:44:28pm

As others have noticed, the US surveillance state is pretty good at picking up stuff that it’s designed or chosen to look for.

It refuses to overlook other things - like someone looking to purchase a significant number of firearms in a short period of time.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:44:42pm

You gotta wonder when we’re going to start fighting back against this shit. Seriously.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:46:10pm

re: #45 Kragar

Tired of seeing assholes saying “The Constitution says…”

Shut it. Just stop right fucking there.

The Constitution also said blacks only counted as 3/5 of a person.

It was wrong and we changed it.

“Its to make sure the people can resist a tyrannical government.”

Mother fuckers, we spend BILLIONS on weapons. We’ve got drones, missiles, tanks, strike fighters, gunships, etc. You’re not going to resist shit with an AR-15.

Maybe what we need is a little “live” demonstration for the nitwits with their ARs.

Get a bunch of brave dudes that think they stand a chance out on some military testing range and let them take on some of the toys you mention and see how they stack up and for how long.

I give ‘em two minutes before the clean up begins.

Maybe the brave Sean Hannity can lead them. He’s got guns you know.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:47:01pm

re: #67 Birth Control Works

The Sci-Fi book I’ve been working on and off kind of deal with this.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:47:30pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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Brilliant move; Iran will be freed to pursue nuclear weapons if it wants.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:48:03pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

The Bundy Ranchers and the Wildlife Preserve nuts should have been stomped down hard.

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:49:34pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

Maybe what we need is a little “live” demonstration for the nitwits with their ARs.

Get a bunch of brave dudes that think they stand a chance out on some military testing range and let them take on some of the toys you mention and see how they stack up and for how long.

I give ‘em two minutes before the clean up begins.

Maybe the brave Sean Hannity can lead them. He’s got guns you know.

Cleanup? Those “patriots” would just become pink mist, nothing left to clean up.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:50:59pm
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:54:52pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

“It’s all the Democrats fault. They shouldn’t have set up a law that required reasonable people to administer it.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:55:02pm

re: #53 Kragar

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He’s seriously mocking Kimmel for crying? Jeez knew he was a jackass but damn.

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:56:45pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

He’s seriously mocking Kimmel for crying? Jeez knew he was a jackass but damn.

Another “real men don’t cry, oversensitive pussies do” winner.

Fuck them.

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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:57:02pm

re: #71 Kragar

The Sci-Fi book I’ve been working on and off kind of deal with this.

This is the first time I’ve seen you mention this…tell us more

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:59:40pm

re: #78 TedStriker

Another “real men don’t cry, pussies do” winner.

Fuck them.

I’m so sick of this stupid masculinity test that wingnuts have. No shame at all in tearing up over this especially for Jimmy who grew up in LV. Meanwhile conservatives like Jack cry over being wished happy holidays.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:00:43pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

He’s seriously mocking Kimmel for crying? Jeez knew he was a jackass but damn.

SOP for conservatives. The conservative movement is an exercise in the mass production of sociopaths.

You get the behavior you reward, and god knows US conservatism rewards sociopathy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:01:08pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

SOP for conservatives. The conservative movement is an exercise in the mass production of sociopaths.

You get the behavior you reward, and god knows US conservatism rewards sociopathy.

True true.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:07:08pm

re: #79 I cannot.

This is the first time I’ve seen you mention this…tell us more

I’ve been working on something off and on, kind of a Lovecraft meets Arthurian legend, set in the modern day. Our reality exists side by side with the Dark Matter universe, which we can’t observe directly. There are some individuals over history who have used psychic abilities to interact with it, but in my book, certain groups realize there are ways they can use technology to both stimulate psychic abilities, as well as access and tap into the Dark Matter for additional power and use the creatures that exist there.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:08:12pm

Bill Corbett responds to me and takes on Dinesh D’Souza!

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bratwurst  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:10:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:11:31pm

re: #85 bratwurst

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Winner!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:13:02pm

re: #50 I cannot.

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I know it’s a joke but AR-15’s aren’t limited to .223 / 5.56mm anymore. There are readily available barrels chambered in a variety of calibers, including 7.62 x 39 mm, .300 Blackout, 6.5 Grendel, .50 Beowulf, 9mm, .45 ACP, .22 LR and .22 Nosler. Complete upper receiver assemblies can be changed in less than a minute.

It’s that versatility that is both part of their appeal and part of their criminal versatility. Because upper receiver assemblies and all the other AR parts don’t require a background check and can be purchased with cash a person can finish a gun up with an 80% lower or 3D print a completed lower and then assemble a finished gun without encountering any regulatory hurdles whatsoever.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:14:34pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

I know it’s a joke but AR-15’s aren’t limited to .223 / 5.56mm anymore. There are readily available barrels chambered in a variety of calibers, including 7.62 x 39 mm, .300 Blackout, 6.5 Grendel, .50 Beowulf, 9mm, .45 ACP, .22 LR and .22 Nosler. Complete uppers receiver assemblies can be changed in less than a minute.

It’s that versatility that is both part of the appeal and part of their criminal versatility. Because upper receiver assemblies and all the other AR parts don’t require a background check and can be purchased with cash a person can finish a gun up with an 80% lower or 3D print a completed lower and then assemble a finished gun without encountering any regulatory hurdles whatsoever.

A 7.62x39mm AR-15 is essentially an American AK-47. Woof.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:20:47pm

re: #88 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A 7.62x39mm AR-15 is essentially an American AK-47. Woof.

Sort of, with the exception of some fairly recent developments an AR-15 in 7.62 is still probably to operate via direct gas impingement instead of a gas piston. So the gun will probably be more accurate because it doesn’t have the reciprocating mass of the op rod traveling back and forth over the barrel, but the action is also going to get very dirty quickly. Especially because 7.62 ammo is notoriously filthy, it never had to be clean because the AK’s loose tolerances were incredibly forgiving.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:22:04pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Sort of, with the exception of some fairly recent developments an AR-15 in 7.62 is still probably to operate via direct gas impingement instead of a gas piston. So the gun will probably be more accurate because it doesn’t have the reciprocating mass of the op rod traveling back and forth over the barrel, but the action is also going to get very dirty quickly. Especially because 7.62 ammo is notoriously filthy, it never had to be clean because the AK’s loose tolerances were incredibly forgiving.

Well, I meant for firepower, but you’re technically spot on, as always.

And the latter point brings to mind the story of Vietnam and the M-16 versus the AK-47. The M-16 lacked punching power in the jungle and had to be kept meticulously clean. The AK-47 would blow through jungle growth, and could be almost dragged through the mud and still fire.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:22:48pm

re: #88 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Woof indeed.

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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:22:55pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

Waiwha? AR-15 chambered in .50? That’s…wow.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:24:05pm

Wait, this asshole resigned?

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jimmyvluv4u  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:24:43pm

re: #93 makeitstop

There must be more texts or voicemails or something coming soon…

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:25:40pm

re: #92 I cannot.

Waiwha? AR-15 chambered in .50? That’s…wow.

It’s supposed to duplicate the ballistics of the .45-70. It’s a really weird looking round too, the rim is deeply rebated because otherwise it would be too big for the bolt.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:25:40pm

re: #93 makeitstop

If he resigns, how will he be replaced?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:26:24pm

re: #93 makeitstop

Wait, this asshole resigned?

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:27:19pm

re: #90 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I haven’t seen stats but how has the M4 held up during the last 20 yrs….. I haven’t heard anything so I assume it is weathering combat well otherwise we would have heard something. The kit has completely changed since I was in.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:27:21pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow.

Good riddance.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:27:36pm

re: #96 Belafon

If he resigns, how will he be replaced?

Special election.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:28:32pm

Another day, another Republican hypocrite.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:28:49pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

I haven’t seen stats but how has the M4 held up during the last 20 yrs….. I haven’t heard anything so I assume it is weathering combat well otherwise we would have heard something. The kit has completely changed since I was in.

I don’t have direct knowledge either, but they keep using it so I assume it must be good. The thing is, more recent wars have been in less jungle-y places (Panama excepted), so the undergrowth has been less of a factor in weapon performance. 5.56mm NATO rounds are perfectly functional in a more open environment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:29:21pm

re: #96 Belafon

If he resigns, how will he be replaced?

According to the Post-Gazette linked article in #97

Under state law, Gov. Tom Wolf must send a writ of election to each county in the district within 10 days of the vacancy, setting a special election date at least 60 days in the future.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:30:32pm

re: #96 Belafon

If he resigns, how will he be replaced?

Not sure, but I found this. A PA resident would probably know better than I would.

While the U.S. Constitution does not mandate a method by which vacancies in the Senate are to be handled, vacancies can be filled almost immediately by the governor of the former senator’s state. The laws of some states require the governor to call a special election to replace U.S. senators. In states where replacements are appointed by the governor, the governor almost always appoints a member of his or her own political party. In some cases, the governor will appoint one of the state’s current U.S. representatives in the House to fill the vacant Senate seat, thus creating a vacancy in the House.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:31:04pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

According to the Post-Gazette linked article in #97

Well, there you go. I’m wrong again! :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:32:43pm

re: #105 makeitstop

Well, there you go. I’m wrong again! :)

Not at all. You were correct in general. In this case, Pennsylvania has a specific process in place to deal with the situation.

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:33:21pm

re: #93 makeitstop

Wait. What?

And what happens to the bill he championed - you know, the one where he wanted to make it even harder to get an abortion all while calling on his mistress to get one…

*deleted*

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:33:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:34:15pm

hey…a couple days old, but here’s one for the Dana Mah Gunz fans:

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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:35:43pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Another day, another Republican hypocrite.

gets caught for being a Republican hypocrite.

They all are hypocrites. It’s just another day when they get busted for it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:38:25pm

re: #108 Ace-o-aces

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They wouldn’t say this about a guy lawyer.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:40:20pm

re: #110 MsJ

gets caught for being a Republican hypocrite.

They all are hypocrites. It’s just another day when they get busted for it.

Oh I meant it as another day ending in day sort of thing. Wonder if there’s anything that the special can be won. I don’t know too much about that seat. I think it’s the Pittsburgh suburbs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:40:40pm
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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:41:43pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Oh I meant it as another day ending in day sort of thing. Wonder if there’s anything that the special can be won. I don’t know too much about that seat. I think it’s the Pittsburgh suburbs.

I know. I just felt like adding a bit of clarification. :-)

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:42:36pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Special election.

Good. I was wondering if it would be by appointment or not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:44:03pm

re: #114 MsJ

I know. I just felt like adding a bit of clarification. :-)

Seriously though what a sleazy dick.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:44:46pm

It’s been a tough week all around, but life goes on. And stuff like this happens: I was in a Music Video. The band is Walter TV. Walter TV is made up of cool people that also play with Mac Demarco. As you view the video you will be treated to the style of director Matthew Volz and see the house where I’m living. Enjoy.

I’m the one with the Machete’

DFa0lh/D9z8dAsaRPeEAgH05ivd+MnLfuK45cAmCQYGvuLXVfPrPs+0gLqseJAuBy89xFI2jqGBDczdkbAggqiQvsEVAfKU1P30CwHzVwogrYzJv41S1YzAp8nQg5OVM

If you can, give it some love on youtube

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:46:36pm

In the ‘Yeah, we already figured this was the case’ department, now there’s this

A former producer on The Apprentice has said President Donald Trump made “unfathomably despicable” racist comments while on the set of the show. The news about the remarks was disclosed by Bill Pruitt on NPR’s Embedded podcast released Wednesday. The comments, he said, were allegedly captured on videos that “are somewhere, in some warehouse.”

[…]

Due to nondisclosure agreements they had signed, Pruitt and other producers did not disclose what was on the tapes. However, when speaking to NPR, Pruitt suggested that the president made a host of offensive statements that were caught on camera.

“We recorded constantly. We went into the boardroom to set up discussions about how and who should get fired [on the show] without talking and saying directly who got fired, so there was a big, long exchange, all of which was recorded,” he said. “Out of those exchanges came some really unfathomably despicable words said by this guy who is a TV star. I heard it. I watched it, and those things are somewhere in some warehouse.”

Asked more specifically about the content of the tapes and whether they contain only disparaging comments about women, Pruitt said, “No, very much a racist issue.” Pressed further on whether it was about African-Americans, Jewish people or all of the above,” Pruitt responded “yes” to all three.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:48:16pm

re: #118 makeitstop

In the ‘Yeah, we already figured this was the case’ department, now there’s this

Can you make a law that nullifies NDA for someone who becomes president?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:48:27pm

re: #117 I Would Prefer Not To

LOL! I’m only up to “I haven’t tested this yet, so you might experience some heavy brain damage…” and can’t wait to see what happens next…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:49:33pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

We elected a family of criminals to be in the highest office. Way to go “law and order” conservatives and wingnuts. You put the fox in the hen house and they are eating all the chickens.

We were told repeatedly that Hillary was a criminal, just a sneaky one. These people are a lot more blatant about it, and many voters saw that as a positive thing.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:49:44pm

Read this thread RE: Milo and Bannon:

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:49:47pm

re: #118 makeitstop

These people need to start breaking the goddamn t**** NDAs.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:50:22pm

re: #119 Belafon

Can you make a law that nullifies NDA for someone who becomes president?

I wish some line producer at NBC would just go rogue and leave this stuff on some newspaper’s doorstep.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:50:49pm

re: #123 EPR-radar

These people need to start breaking the goddamn t**** NDAs.

I’m surprised nothing has been “leaked.”

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:51:14pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Judging by CNN’s lack of coverage I thought Puerto Rico and the USVI were all fixed up.

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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:51:39pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Seriously though what a sleazy dick.

No different from that guy in LA, I think, Dejerdans or Lejerdans or something. Exact same thing but he won his election (because abortion is oh so important to republicans) and didn’t feel the need to go away.

One more Family Values republican full of shit douchenozzle.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:52:52pm

re: #125 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m surprised nothing has been “leaked.”

The Mueller investigation better have copies of all of this. It speaks to t****’s character (lack thereof, really), so it is clearly relevant.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:53:09pm

re: #127 MsJ

No different from that guy in LA, I think, Dejerdans or Lejerdans or something. Exact same thing but he won his election (because abortion is oh so important to republicans) and didn’t feel the need to go away.

One more Family Values republican full of shit douchenozzle.

Tennessee, DesJarlais

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plansbandc  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:53:15pm

re: #117 I Would Prefer Not To

SSSGzkP612on/fV8J6abTA==

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:54:16pm

re: #117 I Would Prefer Not To

OK, I have no idea what the song was about, but the entire thing has a 60s/70s acid trip feel about it and you die in the end.

Still LMAO!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:54:34pm

re: #119 Belafon

Can you make a law that nullifies NDA for someone who becomes president?

I can well imagine that they can be nullified if it involves testifying in a criminal investigation…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:54:46pm

re: #122 Ace-o-aces

Read this thread RE: Milo and Bannon:

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Don’t you hate it when miserable bastards like Milo and Bannon fight among themselves? //

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:55:03pm

re: #27 Sir John Barron

oh

A Rogues Gallery? Is that like an Axis of Evil?

//

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:55:26pm

re: #45 Kragar

I’ll add to this.

The very same people that chant “SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!!” also feel they need an arsenal to protect themselves from said troops and cops.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:56:00pm

re: #135 GlutenFreeJesus

I’ll add to this.

The very same people that chant “SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!!” also feel they need an arsenal to protect themselves from saod troops and cops.

Yeah they’re schizophrenic in how they view our military and police.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:56:00pm

Please forgive me.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:56:25pm

re: #137 Ace-o-aces

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Please forgive me.

No. *WHACK!*

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:56:59pm

re: #127 MsJ

No different from that guy in LA, I think, Dejerdans or Lejerdans or something. Exact same thing but he won his election (because abortion is oh so important to republicans) and didn’t feel the need to go away.

One more Family Values republican full of shit douchenozzle.

“The only moral abortion is my abortion” is a collection of real life stories all having a common theme — anti-abortion protestor gets pregnant, has abortion (often at a clinic where they are well known because of prior protest activity), and usually goes right back to protesting after the procedure, because only those other sluts are ‘baby killers’.

Despite many years of valiant efforts by various right wing asshole hypocrites, this level of hypocrisy has never been exceeded.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:58:56pm

re: #10 EPR-radar

I’m in the repeal the second amendment camp, but advice to this effect from a conservative pundit needs to be treated skeptically. For now, Democrats running on repeal of the second amendment is a suicide mission.

Right, lets have a convention where this current bunch of legislators can have their way with every amendment. That’s the suicide mission if you ask me.

For heavens sake when will it be understood by these writers that you don’t need to do anything to the 2nd, or Heller to regulate at least as strongly as california does?

It seems the pundits do not retain any of these facts that are unearthed and discussed after each and every one of these awful shootings.

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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:59:49pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Don’t you hate it when miserable bastards like Milo and Bannon fight among themselves? //

Only when they don’t finish each other off. :-D

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:01:03pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Yeah they’re schizophrenic in how they view our military and police.

Oh, and who gets to decide when they turn “tyrannical”? Perhaps that’s what Micah Xavier Johnson was thinking when he went and killed a bunch of cops in Dallas last year.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:01:15pm

re: #141 MsJ

Only when they don’t finish each other off. :-D

I don’t know which of those two I despise more.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:01:36pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I don’t know which of those two I despise more.

Does it matter?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:01:48pm

re: #142 GlutenFreeJesus

Oh, and who gets to decide when they turn “tyrannical”? Perhaps that’s what Micah Xavier Johnson was thinking when he went and killed a bunch of cops in Dallas last year.

White Christian Conservatives obviously.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:02:16pm

re: #144 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Does it matter?

Nah because you can divide 100 by two.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:02:56pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, I have no idea what the song was about, but the entire thing has a 60s/70s acid trip feel about it and you die in the end.

Still LMAO!

Thanks. And if you can get it love and share it.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:03:11pm

re: #140 Unshaken Defiance

Right, lets have a convention where this current bunch of legislators can have their way with every amendment. That’s the suicide mission if you ask me.

For heavens sake when will it be understood by these writers that you don’t need to do anything to the 2nd, or Heller to regulate at least as strongly as california does?

It seems the pundits do not retain any of these facts that are unearthed and discussed after each and every one of these awful shootings.

But Heller is just the starting point. The Heller court created an individual RKBA from thin air, and it will take decades of supreme court case law before we have any idea how broad or narrow that right is. With RWNJ justices making this new law, odds are it won’t make sense.

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danarchy  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:05:33pm

re: #135 GlutenFreeJesus

I’ll add to this.

The very same people that chant “SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!!” also feel they need an arsenal to protect themselves from saod troops and cops.

Most of them think if the shit hits the fan a lot of the police and military will side with them. Unfortunately I am not entirely certain they are wrong.

We have seen ample examples that a guerrilla insurgency with nothing but small arms and improvised explosives can be hellaciously difficult to deal with without adding in the factor of those people being fellow citizens and the infrastructure getting blown to hell being our own.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:12:25pm

How come, as a liberal, I have to explain what I want? Why don’t conservatives have to explain what the fuck they want? I want life BTW.

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plansbandc  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:12:30pm

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:12:56pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

I actually agree with Bret Stephens today — the Second Amendment SHOULD be repealed. But I don’t trust his motives for pushing this argument.

And I’m totally pessimistic about the chances it will happen in my lifetime. This country is in a death grip of insanity about guns.

Obviously I’m not in the repeal camp. One, when you look at what it takes to do that, a convention, well right not gonna happen. The writer in the NY Times makes a terribly weak argument comparing removing the 2nd A and ensuring legal gay marriage. Removing is not fairly comparable to adding to ones rights.

More importantly, the necessity is actually not there. The 2nd has not stood in the way of reasonable regulations like California and has not stopped some that can easily be argued as unreasonable.

The top level solution is enact California laws like b/g checks, limited capacity, limited caliber, limited purchases, following up on 1st time felons that own guns. All of these have held up.

Apologies for a way late reply.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:14:07pm
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:15:33pm

re: #150 I Would Prefer Not To

How come, as a liberal, I have to explain what I want? Why don’t conservatives have to explain what the fuck they want? I want life BTW.

I like the reply to that someone put up earlier: We want less killings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:16:52pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

White Christian MALE Conservatives obviously.

FTFY

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:17:23pm

re: #154 Belafon

I like the reply to that someone put up earlier: We want less
fewer killings.

/grammar National Socialist

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:18:43pm

re: #44 ObserverArt

Scalise is okay with guns as well and won’t support any gun control measures. thehill.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:19:02pm

re: #147 I Would Prefer Not To

Thanks. And if you can get it love and share it.

Done!

And that “discrete” entry into the house right off the bat was too much fun.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:19:15pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

FTFY

Yes.

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:19:52pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Tennessee, DesJarlais

Yes, another one of my Representatives, representing my state with pure class.

///

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:20:27pm

re: #141 MsJ

Only when they don’t finish each other off. :-D

Ewwwwwww…

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BeachDem  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:20:34pm

Just in case you had any doubts about why the yam made Nikki fucking Haley UN Ambassador…

postandcourier.com

McMaster, a 70-year-old political veteran, could use a boost from Trump as he tries to hold onto the governor’s office he assumed in January with Nikki Haley’s appointment as United Nations ambassador.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:20:35pm

re: #160 TedStriker

Yes, another one of my Representatives, representing my state with pure class.

///

Can’t spell his name without ass!

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:28:04pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

But Heller is just the starting point. The Heller court created an individual RKBA from thin air, and it will take decades of supreme court case law before we have any idea how broad or narrow that right is. With RWNJ justices making this new law, odds are it won’t make sense.

Thin air? Okay fairly said that’s your measure. None of us can predict what some future court may or may not do. Not Manzanar, not Roe, not Citizens V United in advance.

But we already do have some ideas. Absolute gun bans are out, yet many kinds of guns can be are restricted. Have been for some time. Small ones, (Saturday night specials) extra big ones (.50 cal) full auto by pre bump stock measures. Many kinds of people can be restricted from possessing them. All of these things vary by state, by will of the people or legislatures.

Remember the predictions that all these laws would fall in the face of Heller? Did not happen. If we got rid of Heller, the 2nd, what really happens to the castle doctrine we had a long legal and ethical consensus favoring?

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:28:53pm

re: #152 Unshaken Defiance

Obviously I’m not in the repeal camp. One, when you look at what it takes to do that, a convention, well right not gonna happen. The writer in the NY Times makes a terribly weak argument comparing removing the 2nd A and ensuring legal gay marriage. Removing is not fairly comparable to adding to ones rights.

More importantly, the necessity is actually not there. The 2nd has not stood in the way of reasonable regulations like California and has not stopped some that can easily be argued as unreasonable.

The top level solution is enact California laws like b/g checks, limited capacity, limited caliber, limited purchases, following up on 1st time felons that own guns. All of these have held up.

Apologies for a way late reply.

It does not take a convention to pass a constitutional amendment. In fact, all amendments to date have taken the other path of going through Congress and then to the states for ratification.

The main reason I’m for repealing the second amendment is best explained by analogy: If an anthropologist encounters a bizarre tribe whose members masturbate themselves to death in front of their idol as human sacrifices are performed to it, the natural reaction is to take away their idol and then try to fix things up from there.

Thus with US gun nuts and the second amendment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:31:51pm

boom…

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:31:59pm

Hey, you know how Milo is always saying that his not really “Alt-Right” and that alt-right guys like Richard Spencer actually hate him?

Youtube Video

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:33:37pm
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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:33:44pm

re: #150 I Would Prefer Not To

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:34:13pm

Well, shiiiiiiiit:

Trump is planning to announce next week that the Iran deal is not in the U.S. national security interest, and that additional sanctions should be imposed on Tehran to prevent it from restarting its nuclear program at some point in the future, according to a person briefed by the White House who was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Pissing off our allies and our enemies, apparently that’s how you MAGA these days.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:34:17pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

boom…

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That’s different. Jack likes Trump. What a fucking hypocritical douche.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:34:41pm

re: #170 KGxvi

Well, shiiiiiiiit:

Pissing off our allies and our enemies, apparently that’s how you MAGA these days.

Fuck.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:35:38pm

re: #167 Ace-o-aces

Hey, you know how Milo is always saying that his not really “Alt-Right” and that alt-right guys like Richard Spencer actually hate him?

When Milo starts looking for a new career, lounge singer is definitely out.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:36:59pm

re: #164 Unshaken Defiance

Thin air? Okay fairly said that’s your measure. None of us can predict what some future court may or may not do. Not Manzanar, not Roe, not Citizens V United in advance.

But we already do have some ideas. Absolute gun bans are out, yet many kinds of guns can be are restricted. Have been for some time. Small ones, (Saturday night specials) extra big ones (.50 cal) full auto by pre bump stock measures. Many kinds of people can be restricted from possessing them. All of these things vary by state, by will of the people or legislatures.

Remember the predictions that all these laws would fall in the face of Heller? Did not happen. If we got rid of heller, the 2nd, what really happens to the castle doctrine we had a long legal and ethical consensus favoring?

If the second amendment is understood as relating somehow to RKBA as connected to militia, and it gets repealed, the RKBA for hunting, self-defense etc should (to first order) be unaffected. A highly dishonest part of Scalia’s opinion in Heller was making good points about self-defense etc. and then holding that the second amendment established a individual RKBA, independent of any connection to the militia.

Scalia could have more reasonably struck down the DC law on the basis of an unenumerated right to self defense rooted in penumbras and emanations from the second and/or ninth amendments. But that could not be done because conservative jurists have been mocking unenumerated rights for decades. So Scalia really did blow off the militia langauge in the second amendment just because it was a pain in the ass to deal with.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:39:14pm

re: #152 Unshaken Defiance

Obviously I’m not in the repeal camp. One, when you look at what it takes to do that, a convention, well right not gonna happen. The writer in the NY Times makes a terribly weak argument comparing removing the 2nd A and ensuring legal gay marriage. Removing is not fairly comparable to adding to ones rights.

A convention would be a terrible idea. Remember the Convention of 1787 was intended to modify the Articles of Confederation. Instead we ended up with an entirely new constitution. There’s no doubt in my mind that a new convention wouldn’t result in the same outcome. And that raises the question of what happens when states are asked to ratify the new constitution? What if some states don’t? To my mind, there’s no more sure fire way to see the end of the republic than a constitutional convention.

That said, as #165 EPR-radar pointed out, using the Congressional approach could work - and it’s happened before: see the 18th and 21st Amendments.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:39:33pm
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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:39:47pm

all is moot while the stock market surges.

When the bubble breaks, perhaps change is possible

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:41:42pm

re: #170 KGxvi

Well, shiiiiiiiit:

Pissing off our allies and our enemies, apparently that’s how you MAGA these days.

I like how there’s no accusation that Iran isn’t in full compliance with the agreement. Trump is going to destroy our reputation because he feels that the US honoring a promise in the face of some nebulous future uncertainty will undermine our national security worse than never having anybody trust us again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:42:05pm
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BeachDem  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:42:13pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

boom…

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Ah—they called Moore a LIBERAL FIREBRAND. I had just updated my “conservative firebrand” list of those so deemed in the past few months:

Tomi Lahren
Roy Moore
Ben Shapiro
Stephen Miller
Milo Yianopolis
Ted Cruz
Joe Walsh
Ann Coulter
Steve Fitzgerald (some guy from Kansas who’s running for something)
David Clarke
Hank Williams Jr.
Neil Gorsuch
Laura Ingraham
Steve Bannon
Lauren Southern
Laura Loomer
Steve Lonegan (some dude from New Jersey)
Candice E. Jackson
Jim Jordan
Darrell Issa

If there’s one word that should be expunged from the media’s repertoire, it is FIREBRAND!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:43:39pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:44:11pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

I like how there’s no accusation that Iran isn’t in full compliance with the agreement. Trump is going to destroy our reputation because he feels that the US honoring a promise in the face of some nebulous future uncertainty will undermine our national security worse than never having anybody trust us again.

Apparently they’re going with “it’s not in our national security interest.” Now, I’m not a foreign policy or nuclear expert, but I would think Iran not having the capability to easily construct nuclear weapons would very much be, squarely, in our national security interest.

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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:44:35pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

I like how there’s no accusation that Iran isn’t in full compliance with the agreement. Trump is going to destroy our reputation because he feels that the US honoring a promise in the face of some nebulous future uncertainty will undermine our national security worse than never having anybody trust us again.

You are assuming trump thinks about anything. He doesn’t. You’re giving him too much credit.

He listens to the last person he spoke with and basically asks if Obama did it. Yes? Undo it. He doesn’t have cognitive ability to think. So someone like John Bomb Every Other Country Bolton says it’s what he should do, he does it.

Trump is a fucking moron. You cannot chalk up his complete ignorance to anything other than complete ignorance.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:46:05pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

I like how there’s no accusation that Iran isn’t in full compliance with the agreement. Trump is going to destroy our reputation because he feels that the US honoring a promise in the face of some nebulous future uncertainty will undermine our national security worse than never having anybody trust us again.

The other possibility is a bit simpler. Someone finally got through to t**** just how risky it would be to incite a nuclear war right on China’s border.

Needing a war to soothe his ego, t**** is now turning to the more traditional happy hunting grounds for unnecessary GOP wars — the mideast.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:46:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:50:34pm

Worst president and it ain’t even close IMO.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:51:22pm

re: #165 EPR-radar

It does not take a convention to pass a constitutional amendment. In fact, all amendments to date have taken the other path of going through Congress and then to the states for ratification.

The main reason I’m for repealing the second amendment is best explained by analogy: If an anthropologist encounters a bizarre tribe whose members masturbate themselves to death in front of their idol as human sacrifices are performed to it, the natural reaction is to take away their idol and then try to fix things up from there.

Thus with US gun nuts and the second amendment.

By analogy, one might look at hate speech and the consequences upon minorities to repeal the 1stA as we know it today. Unprotect the KKK to rally for instance. Criminalize the Confederate battle flag like Germany did the swastika. Now analogy might work well here or might not.

But one is still left with the point that such a thing is far more emotionally satisfying than legally practical or realistic. Especially since the list of gun laws that had to be removed as a result of the 2nd post Heller is so short. The list of simple and or effective laws however continues to grow. California is restricting ammo sales.

To me it seems the argument for repeal should depend on the inability to pass laws because of that amendment. But we have wide agreement this is a gun mfr/NRA/American white male culture driven phenomenon problem more than a constitutional one. The lack of strict gun laws in Arizona is a good argument to enact strict rules that hold up under the 2nd, rather than repeal that which was not really the obstacle anyway.

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plansbandc  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:54:38pm

You know what I miss the most? The obvious joy Obama and Biden took in meeting with their fellow Americans. Knowing that we had a President and Vice President who genuine cared about all Americans.

I cry for what we’ve lost and I fear we may never get back to anything resembling that again.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:56:08pm

re: #188 plansbandc

You know what I miss the most? The obvious joy Obama and Biden took in meeting with their fellow Americans. Knowing that we had a President and Vice President who genuine cared about all Americans.

I cry for what we’ve lost and I fear we may never get back to anything resembling that again.

Yes, I miss that as well. Those two had such warmth and compassion. There’s none of that from Trump or Pence.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:58:59pm

re: #185 Birth Control Works

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is it ok if every time i see “ggt” i hear “giggity?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:00:15pm

re: #184 EPR-radar

The other possibility is a bit simpler. Someone finally got through to t**** just how risky it would be to incite a nuclear war right on China’s border.

Needing a war to soothe his ego, t**** is now turning to the more traditional happy hunting grounds for unnecessary GOP wars — the mideast.

I’ve been saying that a war with Iran makes a lot more sense in that it directly rewards Trump’s oil industry backers, including Russia. However the odds of losing a carrier group are also pretty good since Iran can just flood the Straight of Hormuz with enough anti-ship missiles to totally overwhelm fleet defenses. We also can’t really fight in Iran, help Iraqis & Syrian rebels fight both ISIS & Assad and deal with North Korea at the same time, and the North Koreans know this.

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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:00:40pm

So far I’ve had 2 people delete me off FB because of my posts about gun control.

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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:00:45pm

re: #190 dangerman

is it ok if every time i see “ggt” i hear “giggity?

You too?

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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:01:02pm

re: #192 electrotek

So far I’ve had 2 people delete me off FB because of my posts about gun control.

Badge of honor!

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:01:06pm
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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:01:19pm

re: #194 MsJ

Badge of honor!

And thanks to FB Purity add-in, I know exactly who they were LOL

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:02:11pm

re: #192 electrotek

So far I’ve had 2 people delete me off FB because of my posts about gun control.

I’m getting so close to not even checking facebook anymore.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:03:12pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:04:05pm

White House officials believe that chief of staff John Kelly’s personal cellphone was compromised, potentially as long ago as December, according to three U.S. government officials.

The discovery raises concerns that hackers or foreign governments may have had access to data on Kelly’s phone while he was secretary of Homeland Security and after he joined the West Wing.

Tech support staff discovered the suspected breach after Kelly turned his phone in to White House tech support this summer complaining that it wasn’t working or updating software properly.

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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:04:21pm

re: #197 KGxvi

I’m getting so close to not even checking facebook anymore.

It’s hard for me to resist battering the fuck out of these right-wing fucktards.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:04:36pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

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Winning.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:05:43pm

re: #200 electrotek

It’s hard for me to resist battering the fuck out of these right-wing fucktards.

You’re a braver man than I. I can’t do that because I know if I post stuff debunking right wing crap on a friend’s Facebook TL, I’m going to hear it from them and everyone they know. And I don’t want to get involved in that,

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:06:20pm

It just keeps getting weirder and weirder and I like it:

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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:08:57pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

You’re a braver man than I. I can’t do that because I know if I post stuff debunking right wing crap on a friend’s Facebook TL, I’m going to hear it from them and everyone they know. And I don’t want to get involved in that,

I usually stay the fuck off FB for a bit when an Islamic extremist attack happens, but now there’s no use any more.

We have a battering ram effective enough to refute and disarm any bullshit arguments they bring up from now on.

No longer can they pretend that Islamic extremism is the sole threat to this country. Unstable white males are just as much of a threat.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:10:46pm

re: #204 electrotek

I usually stay the fuck off FB for a bit when an Islamic extremist attack happens, but now there’s no use any more.

We have a battering ram effective enough to refute and disarm any bullshit arguments they bring up from now on.

No longer can they pretend that Islamic extremism is the sole threat to this country. Unstable white males are just as much of a threat.

I post little on other people’s pages. If they are willing to learn, they know where to find me.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:10:57pm

re: #204 electrotek

I usually stay the fuck off FB for a bit when an Islamic extremist attack happens, but now there’s no use any more.

We have a battering ram effective enough to refute and disarm any bullshit arguments they bring up from now on.

No longer can they pretend that Islamic extremism is the sole threat to this country. Unstable white males are just as much of a threat.

I can tell you as a straight white guy, white privilege is no one telling you that you need to do something about your demo when something like LV, Sandy Hook, or Dylann Roof’s shooting happens. Religious and racial minorities OTOH. I am using FB to speak out though in my own way.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:12:24pm

Most of my friends and close family are left leaning. In fact, just talked with my brother last night and we agreed that we’re going to celebrate Monday as Indigenous People’s Day not Columbus. We both feel the first people’s in the U.S. are A) Much more important than Columbus and B) More fascinating too.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:13:58pm

Again, Politico is killing it.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:15:17pm

Machine learning enables predictive modeling of 2-D materials

In a study published in The Journal of Physical Chemistry Letters, a team of researchers led by Argonne computational scientist Subramanian Sankaranarayanan described their use of machine learning tools to create the first atomic-level model that accurately predicts the thermal properties of stanene, a two-dimensional (2-D) material made up of a one-atom-thick sheet of tin.

The idea of an actual 2-dimensional object existing outside of theory hurts my brain.

And I like it!

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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:15:28pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

I can tell you as a straight white guy, white privilege is no one telling you that you need to do something about your demo when something like LV, Sandy Hook, or Dylann Roof’s shooting happens. Religious and racial minorities OTOH. I am using FB to speak out though in my own way.

Exactly. It’s bullshit.

And I’m also getting pissed off at some who have the nerve to say I’m not vocal about Islamic extremism when it’s absolute horseshit.

I fear BOTH for fuck’s sake. Why? Because I’m affected by both right-wing AND Islamic extremism. I can die at the hands of either.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:15:51pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Most of my friends and close family are left leaning. In fact, just talked with my brother last night and we agreed that we’re going to celebrate Monday as Indigenous People’s Day not Columbus. We both feel the first people’s in the U.S. are A) Much more important than Columbus and B) More fascinating too.

That must be so nice.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:16:52pm

re: #210 electrotek

Exactly. It’s bullshit.

And I’m also getting pissed off at some who have the nerve to say I’m not vocal about Islamic extremism when it’s absolute horseshit.

I fear BOTH for fuck’s sake. Why? Because I’m affected by both right-wing AND Islamic extremism. I can die at the hands of either.

I had a classmate in high school. An Afghan immigrant actually, he could speak first hand about how terrible the Taliban since he was a Shi’a Muslim. It just put things in perspective for me since while I had grown up in the creature comforts of suburbia where my biggest worries were about people liking me or passing tests, he was worried about survival.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:17:04pm

Bloop

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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:17:04pm

re: #197 KGxvi

I’m getting so close to not even checking facebook anymore.

Facebook is, for me, solely looking at dog pictures.

I found out that a kid I have known since his birth is a fucking RWNJ. I am so depressed over that I unfollowed and only look at dog pictures.

Facebook is fucking evil. I hate it. But I love the dog communities. Godfuckingdamnitall.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:17:18pm

re: #211 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That must be so nice.

He’s a good dude and father. Bringing up his daughter right.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:17:59pm

re: #117 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s been a tough week all around, but life goes on. And stuff like this happens: I was in a Music Video. The band is Walter TV. Walter TV is made up of cool people that also play with Mac Demarco. As you view the video you will be treated to the style of director Matthew Volz and see the house where I’m living. Enjoy.

I’m the one with the Machete’

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Nice, It has a certain mature campiness to it.

If you can, give it some love on youtube

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:18:43pm

re: #214 MsJ

Facebook is, for me, solely looking at dog pictures.

I found out that a kid I have known since his birth is a fucking RWNJ. I am so depressed over that I unfollowed and only look at dog pictures.

Facebook is fucking evil. I hate it. But I love the dog communities. Godfuckingdamnitall.

Child of a family friend? That’s how I feel about one of my good friends and hearing second hand some of the stuff from my other brother about his friends. Kids I’ve known since they were about yee high espousing right wing bullshit. My hope is they’re get better as they get older and they experience things beyond our lily white exburb.

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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:20:13pm

I have friends from multiple interests and I just happen to have people on my FB who share interest in one hobby but have completely divergent views on politics.

It’s most apparent with my friends who are into cars like me. Try being a liberal and into cars, it ain’t easy.

However, when it comes to ex-ravers I knew from years and years ago when we went to warehouses and danced our socks off , we still hold similar left-leaning views.

Although, there have been a few ex-ravers I knew who suddenly turned wingnut and became the biggest supporters of law enforcement. And these are the same guys I knew who used to get caught when our *illegal* parties at warehouses get broken up by the cops.

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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:20:45pm

re: #208 Stanley Sea

Again, Politico is killing it.

I thought Politico was closing shop after the election. Am I misremembering? :-)

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:21:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:22:53pm

re: #218 electrotek

I have friends from multiple interests and I just happen to have people on my FB who share interest in one hobby but have completely divergent views on politics.

It’s most apparent with my friends who are into cars like me. Try being a liberal and into cars, it ain’t easy.

However, when it comes to ex-ravers I knew from years and years ago when we went to warehouses and danced our socks off , we still hold similar left-leaning views.

Although, there have been a few ex-ravers I knew who suddenly turned wingnut and became the biggest supporters of law enforcement. And these are the same guys I knew who used to get caught when our *illegal* parties at warehouses get broken up by the cops.

Oh God, that’s the worst. The people you know broke the law i.e. underaged drinking, pot, etc acting like “Oh they should just follow the law” when you know damn well about the skeletons these people have in their own closets.

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MsJ  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:46:23pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Child of a family friend? That’s how I feel about one of my good friends and hearing second hand some of the stuff from my other brother about his friends. Kids I’ve known since they were about yee high espousing right wing bullshit. My hope is they’re get better as they get older and they experience things beyond our lily white exburb.

Yeah. I went to grade school with his mother (who passed away last year). I am pretty devastated reading his stuff on facebook. Sharing Cernovich and Breitbart. I was going to say something but fuck it, I haven’t stayed in touch over the last year, so it’s not my place to jump into his life now. That said, my disappointment is palpable.

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majii  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:52:12pm

re: #204 electrotek

“No longer can they pretend that Islamic extremism is the sole threat to this country. Unstable white males are just as much of a threat.”

THIS is the elephant in the room that they’re consciously ignoring, and I think they’re doing it to avoid accepting that they’re as violent, and in some cases, more violent than other groups of persons in this country. It’s much easier to blame all of America’s woes on some other group by relentlessly stereotyping and scapegoating its members than it is for them to accept responsibility for the existence of those like Adam Lanza, James Fields, Stephen Paddock, James Holmes, and others within their ranks. The media is compliant in helping them to avoid accepting responsibility for their violence and their crimes by never mentioning that most mass murderers in America are White males. Every time a member of another group commits a crime, every member of that particular group is blamed for that one individual’s actions, but if the perpetrator is a White Christian heterosexual male, all kinds of excuses and tactics are employed to ensure that not every White male in the country is blamed for his actions.

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fern01  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:03:57pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He resigns because he “asked his mistress to have an abortion” - not because he had a mistress.

The morality of the US is upside down ridiculous. Mistress is OK - abortion and birth control are not. Killing of children with guns after they are born also seems to be ok.

Sliding fast into the decline side of the rise and fall of the United States.


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