Now for Something Completely Different: Palm - Full Performance (Live on KEXP)

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I actually stopped and thought twice before posting this one, because I just know some of you are going to hate this band, because they’re, well, different. They’re a bit like Battles, but not really.

For example, the first piece in this set prominently features a hellishly out-of-tune guitar chord. I love this chord, but I understand why some might not.

The second excursion is a little like listening to Pet Sounds while nodding off after drinking a little too much. With a neighbor doing major construction work in the next apartment.

And then… there is “Dog Milk.”

kexp.org presents Palm performing live in the KEXP studio. Recorded July 11, 2017.

Songs:
Walkie Talkie
Composite
Shadow Expert
Dog Milk

Host: Troy Nelson
Audio Engineer: Kevin Suggs
Cameras: Jim Beckmann, Scott Holpainen & Justin Wilmore
Editor: Justin Wilmore

kexp.org

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352 comments

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Archangelus  Mar 18, 2018 • 5:55:16pm
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Weaselone  Mar 18, 2018 • 5:57:42pm

re: #1 Archangelus

Technically they did start the fire.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 18, 2018 • 5:59:24pm

Doctor: “Get me an out-of-tune guitar, strat!”

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jaunte  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:07:21pm
I love this chord so much.

I like the chord, but I want to know how they knew they were there when they got there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:11:30pm

Carried over from the previous thread:

re: #328 Belafon

I hate to sound like this, but I’m glad it didn’t crash solely because the Trumps don’t deserve any sympathy.

That wouldn’t be my concern. An aircraft falling out of the sky hits something on the ground. My sympathies would be toward anyone injured or killed on the ground.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:12:00pm

Apropos the discussion of condiments downstairs, as I was about to take The Older Boy to work, The Younger Boy said, “Hey, as long as you’re at Safeway, can you get some yellow mustard? I don’t like that Grey Poupon stuff.”

I made him go with me to the store after I gave him shit for preferring low-brow condiments.

His response…..

De gustibus apparently EST disputandum.

Gotta love a boy who plays with his food.

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rhuarc  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:12:41pm

Loved the Battles song/video. I listen to it at least once a week. Just couldn’t quite get down with this group. I think they have the pieces for me to enjoy, but it wasn’t put together in a way that I like sonically. The first song was close, though.

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Belafon  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:14:37pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

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much March Madness this year…Nevada pulls a UMBC.

The replies in the first tweet are awesome.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:18:22pm

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Mm, yellow mustard.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:20:29pm

Big local news of the day:

Semi tip over slows traffic in Bridgeport (Scottsbluff Star-Herald, showing steaming corn mash from the ethanol plant spilled all over Main Street when a semi turning toward Scottsbluff took the corner too sharply)

Since the ethanol plant in Bridgeport is just a giant still, I wonder what would happen if I drove up with a couple gallon jugs and asked for a fill up?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:23:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:29:49pm

LOL

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:30:26pm

re: #1 Archangelus

Reince Preibus, Betsy D, Carson on a spending spree,
North Korea, Sean Spicer, Rex is out the door.

Sarah Sanders, Stephen Miller, Opiods are such a killer,
Dumb tweets, hot seats, Kushner cleared no more.

Rosenstein, Fox and Friends, here come all
the fascist trends,
Kill all the dealers, hire cheats and stealers.

Mueller, Putin, now McCabe is on the scene.
Michael Flynn wearing thin, Manafort’s a squealer!

We didn’t start the fire…

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BigPapa  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:32:59pm

I’m liking Battles. They’re a tad bit of the mind blow. Still getting me head around them.

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BigPapa  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:43:36pm

This studio version of The Yabba is the hizzy. And better than the other videos that have ads in the middle of the video (grrrr).
All of them are amazing musicians but I love the drumming.

Battles - The Yabba (NYC Live Session)

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:52:46pm
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makeitstop  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:53:05pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:55:00pm

My dead thread reply downstairs
re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

Hobo With A Shotgun (2011) - Unrated Trailer [HD]

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BigPapa  Mar 18, 2018 • 6:56:44pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Jerbs!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:00:32pm

re: #19 BigPapa

Jerbs!

Who knew that a rather eclectic movie viewing habit would be of such value

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Belafon  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:00:39pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

My dead thread reply downstairs

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That was an interesting movie.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:02:40pm

The Dust Bowl is back! Had to go to Lubbock today. This is what I found:


60 mph winds, blowing dust, 1 mile visibility. It actually rained a little this morning, .02”, bringing the total for this year to, well, .04” (about a millimeter). It was just enough to dissolve some dirt and make it easier for the wind to pick up after it dried out. Yet climate change is still a libtard hoax.
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Belafon  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:05:02pm

BTW, a thought about our country vs Russia. If a news person went to NYC, how many people would they find that said “Fuck Trump”?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:06:29pm

With Trump going off the rails, what does Bernie and his Stooges do?

Why, Protest Hillary…

NICE TO SEE BERNIE CONTINUING WITH PUTIN’S DIRTY WORK!

go.ourrevolution.com

Hillary Clinton is being paid $25k for a 1.5 hour talk at Rutgers. Maybe she makes so much money that she doesn’t realize that money in politics harms middle- and lower-class citizens. She is out of touch. We will hold up signs and have some chants during her talk. Contact us on FB at Our Revolution, Hazlet, to sign up or RSVP.

OH, BUCK YOU, FERNIE!

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teleskiguy  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:07:17pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Panhandle of Texas. Lots of friends I know who road trip always complain about Kansas and Nebraska and I always have my go to retort: “The worst place to drive through is the panhandle of Texas.” Bulldozed flatness, and more dry and dusty.

And it’s not just climate change. The most southerly parts of the Ogallala Aquifer, for all intents and purposes, are dry. That water is gone forever as far as us humans are concerned.

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makeitstop  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:07:39pm

re: #23 Belafon

BTW, a thought about our country vs Russia. If a news person went to NYC, how many people would they find that said “Fuck Trump”?

All of them, Katie.

(Not really true - we’ve got a lot of good little Trump cultists out here on the island.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:08:21pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Yikes. Lubbock’s average rainfall should be around twenty inches a year; that’s four more than what we average here.

This area used to be marked “desert” on XIX Century maps. If Lubbock doesn’t get any significant rain soon, I can see climate refugees streaming north.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:10:09pm

re: #24 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mrs. Clinton is not in politics. She will likely never run for an office again. Do they use the argument that “money in science corrupts science, so science speakers shouldn’t get paid?”

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teleskiguy  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:11:04pm

Jim Wright (@Stonekettle) is awesome. He’s up after 10 p.m. tweeting at people about deep fried pickles and such.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:11:24pm

re: #28 Anymouse 🌹

Mrs. Clinton is not in politics. She will likely never run for an office again. Do they use the argument that “money in science corrupts science, so science speakers shouldn’t get paid?”

The Berniebots and Jillshills don’t care. They’re just like Republicans—Hillary haters 24/7!

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Belafon  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:13:23pm

re: #24 Joe Bacon 🌹

With Trump going off the rails, what does Bernie and his Stooges do?

Why, Protest Hillary…

NICE TO SEE BERNIE CONTINUING WITH PUTIN’S DIRTY WORK!

go.ourrevolution.com

Hillary Clinton is being paid $25k for a 1.5 hour talk at Rutgers. Maybe she makes so much money that she doesn’t realize that money in politics harms middle- and lower-class citizens. She is out of touch. We will hold up signs and have some chants during her talk. Contact us on FB at Our Revolution, Hazlet, to sign up or RSVP.

OH, BUCK YOU, FERNIE!

If I wanted to get on there, I would ask why Hillary is getting paid so little. I’m sure Bill or Barack would pull ten times that much.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:14:40pm

Unless there’s a blizzard before Thursday, this will become the first winter in Lubbock’s recorded weather history (since 1881) that no snow at all has fallen.

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Belafon  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:16:13pm
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makeitstop  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:19:04pm

Making Divorce Great Again.

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Belafon  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:19:45pm

re: #34 makeitstop

Making Divorce Great Again.

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The evangelicals love him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:21:15pm

re: #35 Belafon

The evangelicals love him.

Absolutely right! These Jesusbots will follow Gawd’s Anointed King because crooked Republican Pulpit Pimps tell them to.

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coin operated  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:22:05pm

I like the band up top. I hear some old school prog in there. Camel, Genesis, some Mike Oldfield (of Tubular Bells fame). Good stuff Charles.

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teleskiguy  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:23:37pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Unless there’s a blizzard before Thursday, this will become the first winter in Lubbock’s recorded weather history (since 1881) that no snow at all has fallen.

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That… is an incredible statistic.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:31:14pm
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majii  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:35:13pm

re: #24 Joe Bacon 🌹

“OH, BUCK YOU, FERNIE!”

Ditto. Whenever I see an article relating to what he thinks/feels/says, my eyes begin to glaze over and roll back into my head. I get the hard side-eye-rollback going on. Sanders is a millionaire and is getting richer, all while he plays the game of “I’m for you, the little guy.” Such intolerable bullsh*t. He’s a one, and, at most, a two-trick pony. Let his *ss run in 2020, my vote will go to the other Dem candidate the same way it did in 2016 when he was on the ballot here in GA. My parents didn’t raise me to be anybody’s fool/tool.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:37:32pm

They cut off the last word on my FB news feed, but I think it is more accurate this way.

Trump to release opioid epidemic plan on Monday that includes death

and with that, a bid you a good night.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:39:35pm

Hey Teleskiguy, I gotta know:

If given the choice would you rather have $5 Million or 24 hours to spend with Mikaela Shiffrin?

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majii  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:41:46pm

re: #28 Anymouse 🌹

“Mrs. Clinton is not in politics. She will likely never run for an office again. Do they use the argument that “money in science corrupts science, so science speakers shouldn’t get paid?”“

I know you remember how much noise they made when #44 got paid millions for a speech. I thought they were losing their freaking minds. They looked like the tools they are when PBO and his wife announced they were using the money he received for the speech, adding more of their own money to it and were using it to provide summer jobs for teens in Chicago. The same persons don’t say a d*mn thing when Gingrich, “W,” Flynn, Cheney, and the other RW grifters are paid huge sums to give speeches. Sanders needs to sit down and STFU. I really wish he’d follow my advice, but as long as he has his little core group of supporters, he won’t because he loves being adored.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:42:05pm

Text from SIL. Two more package bombs just went off in Austin. This fucking asshole needs to be caught NOW. The two bombs tonight resulted in severe injuries.

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teleskiguy  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:42:46pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey Teleskiguy, I gotta know:

If given the choice would you rather have $5 Million or 24 hours to spend with Mikaela Shiffrin?

$5 million. No fuckin’ question.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:44:18pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

$5 million. No fuckin’ question.

At least I know that you’re still sane .

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jaunte  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:45:19pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:46:05pm

re: #46 I Would Prefer Not To

At least I know that you’re still sane .

Am I, though? Am I?

Giphy

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BigPapa  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:51:42pm
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BigPapa  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:55:49pm

re: #44 GlutenFreeJesus

On Sunday? Are they getting delivered by USPS/UPS/FedEx or just showing up?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:56:10pm

One bomb. Two men in their 20s injured. 10 min from where my fam is. Sigh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 18, 2018 • 7:58:26pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

$5 million. No fuckin’ question.

Ha ha ha. I was reasonably certain that would be your preference.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:00:35pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:01:01pm

re: #50 BigPapa

Whoever is doing it is making the bombs and dropping them off at the intended targets.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:01:44pm

Another bombing in Austin?

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ipsos  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:03:15pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

I don’t think it’s so much that we should be sensitive to the people who did the reproducing, but rather to the reproductees (?) who are getting their young lives upended without having done anything wrong themselves. (Yet.)

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BigPapa  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:05:15pm

re: #54 GlutenFreeJesus

Whoever is doing it is making the bombs and dropping them off at the intended targets.

Can’t imagine them racist white boys getting caught.

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whitebeach  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:05:55pm

re: #43 majii

“I know you remember how much noise they made when #44 got paid millions for a speech. I thought they were losing their freaking minds. They looked like the tools they are when PBO and his wife announced they were using the money he received for the speech, adding more of their own money to it and were using it to provide summer jobs for teens in Chicago. The same persons don’t say a d*mn thing when Gingrich, “W,” Flynn, Cheney, and the other RW grifters are paid huge sums to give speeches. Sanders needs to sit down and STFU. I really wish he’d follow my advice, but as long as he has his little core group of supporters, he won’t because he loves being adored.

IIRC, St. Ronnie got paid something like $2 million for a single speech in Japan shortly after he left office (meaning also not long after he gave the Japanese some huge trade breaks). This was when I knew that the so-called Japanese economic tsunami was bullshit, because what kind of business geniuses would pay two million bucks to hear a single word from a drooling has-been who had testified that he “couldn’t recall” anything 271 times before Congress when questioned about Iran-Contra?

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coin operated  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:06:43pm

re: #44 GlutenFreeJesus

Text from SIL. Two more package bombs just went off in Austin. This fucking asshole needs to be caught NOW. The two bombs tonight resulted in severe injuries.

coin operated is currently +3 after a 32-hour data migration effort. Sleep deprivation is as intoxicating as alcohol at this rate. Thank dog for Uber.

Whoever is sending these are making me feel all stabby and shit. I’m not a capital punishment kind of guy, but what I have in my altered state of mind for these jackholes would make Stephen King take a step back…

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:07:17pm

re: #51 GlutenFreeJesus

One bomb. Two men in their 20s injured. 10 min from where my fam is. Sigh.

Note that the President, and as far as I can tell any Republican politician of national stature, has yet to weigh in on what amounts to domestic terrorism in this string of bombings in Austin.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:08:55pm

re: #59 coin operated

coin operated is currently +3 after a 32-hour data migration effort. Sleep deprivation is as intoxicating as alcohol at this rate. Thank dog for Uber.

Whoever is sending these are making me feel all stabby and shit. I’m not a capital punishment kind of guy, but what I have in my altered state of mind for these jackholes would make Stephen King take a step back…

32-hour data migration? Sheet, dude, that’s what I call a real batch.

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freetoken  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:12:30pm

You science video for the night is a recent presentation by one of the leaders in the search for exoplanets, on exactly what is meant by “Earth-like” (a phrase I do not like), and what kind of planets have been found:

Searching For Earth-Like Planets - Andrew Howard - 3/14/2018

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:13:22pm

Apparently latest bomb was put on a for sale sign. It had a trip wire that was accidentally set off by two cyclists going by.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:14:20pm
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coin operated  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:17:13pm

re: #61 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

32-hour data migration? Sheet, dude, that’s what I call a real batch.

I call it a real bitch, but ymmv ;-)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:17:44pm

re: #65 coin operated

I call it a real bitch, but ymmv ;-)

It was a pun. Of course, you’re operating on enough sleep deprivation that I didn’t expect you to pick up on it.

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TedStriker  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:19:16pm

re: #61 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

32-hour data migration? Sheet, dude, that’s what I call a real batch.

A stone-cold batch…

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coin operated  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:22:57pm

re: #66 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Totally missed it…good call sir.

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:26:21pm

re: #63 GlutenFreeJesus

Apparentky latest bomb was put on a for sale sign. It had a trip wire that was accidentally set off by two cyclists going by.

Hmm… first bomb west of I-35. Travis Country is a high-end, +$500,000 housing area on the Southwest side of the City. Doesn’t fit the MO of the first three.

Checked the For Sale listings and there no houses on Dawn Song on the
MLS.

The place is crawling w/ LEOs, FBI and ATF.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:27:08pm

Xavier lost.

OMG to the Noles.

Upset city.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:32:24pm

re: #69 austin_blue

Yeah lots of info pouring out I’m sure. 24/48 hour rule as always. Stay safe down there.

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Targetpractice  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:35:42pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

Xavier lost.

OMG to the Noles.

Upset city.

Favored teams dropping left and right, it’s a damned horror show. I’m actually worried for my Wildcats on Thursday.

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Kragar  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:36:27pm
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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:36:50pm

re: #71 GlutenFreeJesus

Yeah lots of info pouring out I’m sure. 24/48 hour rule as always. Stay safe down there.

The latest is that the For Sale sign was placed at a house that WASN’T for sale, possibly with the box attached to it with a trip wire detonator.

Which is pretty Dr. Evil and cold blooded.

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whitebeach  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:38:15pm

This site is full of musically knowledgeable and sophisticated people from the top down, so the following little two-verse piece of country fluff might seem silly of me to post. But I find that nothing helps make a rotten world better than listening to a beautiful woman sing beautifully, and I would love to have spent years of my life listening to Nana Mouskouri sing not only the phone book, but the yellow pages. So as a Sunday night winds down, share with me a Bacardi (for Puerto Rico) and three minutes of beauty.

Nana Mouskouri - When I Dream - 1981 -

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coin operated  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:39:00pm

re: #74 austin_blue

The latest is that the For Sale sign was placed at a house that WASN’T for sale, possibly with the box attached to it with a trip wire detonator.

Which is pretty Dr. Evil and cold blooded.

That is mother fucking EVIL. I remember house hunting…I’d stop at each and every one of those damn things b/c they’d typically have fliers in them.

ETA the flyer stuff

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Stanley Sea  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:40:31pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

Favored teams dropping left and right, it’s a damned horror show. I’m actually worried for my Wildcats on Thursday.

I want to see the stats, but this seems like the first year so many top seeds were tossed before the sweet 16.

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jaunte  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:42:11pm
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BeachDem  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:44:46pm

Heh—just ahead of the Mike Pence book by his bunny, John Oliver had a “different” Marlon Bundo book that sounds adorable AND will really piss Mike Pence off because Oliver’s Marlon is a gay bunny. Oh, and

100% of Last Week Tonight’s proceeds will be donated to The Trevor Project and AIDS United.

amazon.com

Make sure you order this one—not the Pence one.

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Targetpractice  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:46:55pm

re: #78 jaunte

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We should, but the press seems to be afraid to touch the story too much because they dare not call it terrorism when there’s a strong possibility that a white guy is responsible.

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sagehen  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:48:13pm

re: #23 Belafon

BTW, a thought about our country vs Russia. If a news person went to NYC, how many people would they find that said “Fuck Trump”?

In Manhattan… um, there’s a certain number of midwestern tourists at any given moment, and Wall Street is Wall Street, but other than them perhaps 80%.

In the Bronx, 90%.

In Staten Island, only half.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:54:10pm

huffingtonpost.com (caution for auto-play video)

Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) became the longest-serving woman of the US House of Representatives Sunday. She received a standing ovation from the House as Rep. Nancy Pelosi marked the event.

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gwangung  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:55:29pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

We should, but the press seems to be afraid to touch the story too much because they dare not call it terrorism when there’s a strong possibility that a white guy is responsible.

Particularly if it’s POC that are the targets.

Might be OK if they include other white people.

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BeachDem  Mar 18, 2018 • 8:57:08pm

Maggie has the chutzpah to call an article about Hope Hicks “gauzy” after the Trump Whisperer herself puts out a psychological romance piece with phrases including:

He barreled ahead with a plan…

He vanquished the economic aides he had previously seen as having more stature than he did…

Projecting strength, control and power, whether as a New York developer or domineering reality television host, has always been vital to Mr. Trump…

Some of Mr. Trump’s allies have said that Mr. Trump was trapped in a West Wing cage built by Mr. Kelly, and has finally broken loose…

But Mr. Trump’s moods have always been like storm clouds passing quickly over a desert island…

And she includes the musings of those bastions of logic, Roger Stone and Henry Kissinger.

Ugh.

nytimes.com

Interesting that they seldom allow comments on Maggie hagiographies.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:02:30pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

I want to see the stats, but this seems like the first year so many top seeds were tossed before the sweet 16.

I believe its the first time two #1 seeds didn’t make the sweet 16. And the South Region is the first to have none of its top 4 seeds make the sweet 16.

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sagehen  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:03:19pm

re: #74 austin_blue

The latest is that the For Sale sign was placed at a house that WASN’T for sale, possibly with the box attached to it with a trip wire detonator.

Which is pretty Dr. Evil and cold blooded.

So we can presume the homeowner was the intended target?

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:03:26pm

re: #83 gwangung

Particularly if it’s POC that are the targets.

Might be OK if they include other white people.

No IDs on the two “men in their twenties” tonight, PsOC or otherwise. The other victims *were* PsOC, and all three targeted victims appeared to be black, but one the bombs was placed on the wrong house, two down from a young woman who knew the previously killed men, and it blew up and seriously injured a 75-year old Abuela. Apparent collateral damage.

The news outlets are just shitting themselves on this story, despite the fact LEOs have made it perfectly clear that they’ll have nothing new before tomorrow morning.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:04:00pm

The first victim of the Austin bombings was Anthony Stephan House. (Aside: It really sucks that ABC used what looks like a cropped mugshot of the first victim that they got from the police in this article.)

He worked as a project manager for Texas Quarries until February 2017, a spokesperson for the company told ABC News.

Texas Quarries employs demolitions experts in their operations.

Quarrying at the site began in April 1929 when W. H. Johnson started researching Texas limestone and founded Texas Quarries. The company unearthed large cubes of the ancient rock and shipped them to Austin to be cut at a mill that ran on a new power source—electricity—provided by the Texas Power & Light Company.

In 1959, M.E. Ruby Jr. Inc. founded another quarrying operation on Anderson Mill Road. At first workers dug blocks of stone to be used for highway construction, said Mark McKenzie, president of Ranger Excavating, which bought the company in 1996.

Today the company still sells crushed limestone that workers blast out of the quarry on its 200-acre parcel of land south of the Texas Quarries site, McKenzie said. For its blasting operations the company uses less powerful charges than it has in the past, he said. Before 1996, the blasting schedule was unpredictable, but it is now performed at about 10 a.m. or 2 p.m. on weekdays. Federal guidelines and a city permit govern M.E. Ruby’s blasting procedures, McKenzie said.

Sequential / multiple killings are sometimes efforts to mask signal within noise. One example I remember from when I was a kid is Stella Nickell, who planted cyanide in Exedrin capsules to kill her husband and also put poisoned bottles on store shelves to make it look like he was a random victim. I hope the investigation is looking hard at everyone who had any association with the first victim, especially those who worked at or sub-contracted for TQ who had access to explosives.

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:08:46pm

re: #86 sagehen

So we can presume the homeowner was the intended target?

Who knows? It’s spring break time. They could have been out of town. Pretty damn fluid right now.

And again again, why target prominent East Austin black families and then put a bomb in front of a $600,000 home in Southwest Austin? Unless you are trying to monkeywrench the investigation, it doesn’t fit the MO.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:10:08pm

re: #89 austin_blue

Who knows? It’s spring break time. They could have been out of town. Pretty damn fluid right now.

And again again, why target prominent East Austin black families and then put a bomb in front of a $600,000 home in Southwest Austin? Unless you are trying to monkeywrench the investigation, it doesn’t fit the MO.

Copycat bombing, except a different sort of target?

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gwangung  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:11:33pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

Copycat bombing, except a different sort of target?

Possibly. Anything is possible, given the info we have.

(I just am very cynical about mass media and their behavior, with an unconscious conservative bias).

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:15:56pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

Copycat bombing, except a different sort of target?

Doesn’t look like it. The three pervious devices were placed on porches. Scuttlebutt here is that this one was attached to a fake For Sale sign with a trip wire. That’s *way* random. It also makes the device much less effective, as the explosion isn’t at all contained within a house or a porch.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:22:17pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

I tend to agree with goddamnedfrank; it’s entirely possible that the first victim, the unfortunate Mr. House, was the sole intended target and that the additional bombings might be a red herring to throw law enforcement off track - make LE think there’s a mad bomber on the loose, randomly blowing people up.

Then, after a few more bombings (and victims) the bomber stops and if he or she was careful enough to conceal their tracks, the crimes remain unsolved.

There’s a lotta twisted folks out there.

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whitebeach  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:29:20pm

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

I tend to agree with goddamnedfrank; it’s entirely possible that the first victim, the first Mr. House, was the intended target and that the additional bombings might be a red herring to throw law enforcement off track - make LE think there’s a mad bomber on the loose, randomly blowing people up.

This is sheer speculation at this point. It’s just as likely, maybe even more so, that this is the classic escalation pattern of a serial killer. After all, even in your scenario where this is all some kind of smokescreen, there is still in fact a bomber on the loose blowing people up, whether randomly or not. That much, at least, is not speculation.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:34:15pm

re: #94 whitebeach

This is sheer speculation at this point. It’s just as likely, maybe even more so, that this is the classic escalation pattern of a serial killer. After all, even in your scenario where this is all some kind of smokescreen, there is still in fact a bomber on the loose blowing people up, whether randomly or not. That much, at least, is not speculation.

That’s also possible; I’m reminded of the infamous Paraquat Murders in Japan….a series of unsolved murders that occurred in 1985. And of course, the Chicago Tylenol murders of 1982.

en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:35:55pm

re: #94 whitebeach

This is sheer speculation at this point. It’s just as likely, maybe even more so, that this is the classic escalation pattern of a serial killer. After all, even in your scenario where this is all some kind of smokescreen, there is still in fact a bomber on the loose blowing people up, whether randomly or not. That much, at least, is not speculation.

Either way first instances are incredibly important in criminological etiology. Also, it can be both, serial killers often pick their first victims through personal association and then whatever the initial motivation find the act of killing itself too rewarding to stop.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:39:20pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

In any event the fact that the first victim worked for a company that also employed demolitions experts seems like a coincidence worth investigating.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:43:11pm

Off to work. Later, Lizards.

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JordanRules  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:44:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:48:27pm

re: #99 JordanRules

SMDH.

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 9:58:28pm

re: #94 whitebeach

This is sheer speculation at this point. It’s just as likely, maybe even more so, that this is the classic escalation pattern of a serial killer. After all, even in your scenario where this is all some kind of smokescreen, there is still in fact a bomber on the loose blowing people up, whether randomly or not. That much, at least, is not speculation.

In addition, the two dead men belonged to prominent families who attended the same church all of their lives. Both were from upper middle class Austin black families. They *knew* each other, at least socially. The 17-year old Principal Bassist of the Austin Youth Symphony Orchestra may not have been the target. Could have been his mom or dad.

One other point for you and Frank to ponder. These were *not* high explosives. This could have been black powder, nitrocellulose, or match head pipe bombs. We don’t know. That information has not been released. But the Abuela was right next to the device when it blew and she lived. So it wasn’t gelignite, or plastic, or any of the other exotic instantaneous expanding compounds like those that were used in London.

This totally appears to be anarchist cookbook stuff.

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:02:18pm

re: #101 austin_blue

In addition, the two dead men belonged to prominent families who attended the same church all of their lives. Both were from upper middle class Austin black families. They *knew* each other, at least socially. The 17-year old Principal Bassist of the Austin Youth Symphony Orchestra may not have been the target. Could have been his mom or dad.

One other point for you and Frank to ponder. These were *not* high explosives. This could have been black powder, nitrocellulose, or match head pipe bombs. We don’t know. That information has not been released. But the Abuela was right next to the device when it blew and she lived. So it wasn’t gelignite, or plastic, or any of the other exotic instantaneous expanding compounds like those that were used in London.

This totally appears to be anarchist cookbook stuff.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:02:21pm

re: #99 JordanRules

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Had they done this, the NRA, who after-the-fact has said the authorities missed all the warning signs and should have “acted”, would be defending his right to own guns in court.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:06:20pm

re: #101 austin_blue

One other point for you and Frank to ponder. These were *not* high explosives. This could have been black powder, nitrocellulose, or match head pipe bombs. We don’t know. That information has not been released. But the Abuela was right next to the device when it blew and she lived. So it wasn’t gelignite, or plastic, or any of the other exotic instantaneous expanding compounds like those that were used in London.

Modern high explosives are laced with identification taggants that make tracing origin fairly easy for the FBI, so if they weren’t used that doesn’t really mean it’s not a trained expert. Expertise comes into play with the detonation circuitry, which reportedly was fairly sophisticated.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:09:08pm

Granted, given the rise in popularity in programmable micro-controllers like the Arduino there are probably a shit ton of hobbyists out there with the technical know how to do this if they wanted.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:11:14pm

re: #99 JordanRules

Lots of derp on that thread, and the yeast infection advert probably ought to be flagged as spam.

As for forcing the shooter into involuntary commitment, that is a bar even under Florida’s Baker Act to clear.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:11:40pm
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JordanRules  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:18:51pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹

Thankfully I didn’t get that spam-ad.

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freetoken  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:19:43pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

So close… yet so far.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:23:51pm

re: #108 JordanRules

Thankfully I didn’t get that spam-ad.

It’s all the way at the bottom of the thread, by account holder Twinkle06601174

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:27:04pm
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majii  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:33:20pm

re: #109 freetoken

“So close… yet so far.”

It’s rather difficult to see warning signs about someone when one has one’s head firmly inserted in that individual’s behind.

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:33:42pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

Modern high explosives are laced with identification taggants that make tracing origin fairly easy for the FBI, so if they weren’t used that doesn’t really mean it’s not a trained expert. Expertise comes into play with the detonation circuitry, which reportedly was fairly sophisticated.

I’ve always wondered what “fairly sophisticated” means.

If I have a pipe bomb rigged with a wooden dowel between a firing pin and a detonator, connected to a monofilament line that is pulled aside when the box is opened, releasing the spring-loaded pin onto an empty 25-caliber cartridge epoxeyed into the end of the pipe, is that “fairly sophisticated”?

How about if I take an old mercury thermostat switch and a 9-volt battery, safe it with a plastic collar stay, and also connect that with monofilament to a hole in the outside of the box? Then when I pull out the collar stay and clip the mono, the circuit is complete and as soon as someone lifts the box and the merc switch moves, the circuit closes and pops the electric detonator. Is that “fairly sophisticated”?

The world wonders.

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JordanRules  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:35:32pm

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

Maybe already reported and gone? I only see 11 comments under the ABC News tweet and none by that user.

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JordanRules  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:42:37pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:46:57pm

re: #113 austin_blue

I’ve always wondered what “fairly sophisticated” means.

If I have a pipe bomb rigged with a wooden dowel between a firing pin and a detonator, connected to a monofilament line that is pulled aside when the box is opened, releasing the spring-loaded pin onto an empty 25-caliber cartridge epoxeyed into the end of the pipe, is that “fairly sophisticated”?

How about if I take an old mercury thermostat switch and a 9-volt battery, safe it with a plastic collar stay, and also connect that with monofilament to a hole in the outside of the box? Then when I pull out the collar stay and clip the mono, the circuit is complete and as soon as someone lifts the box and the merc switch moves, the circuit closes and pops the electric detonator. Is that “fairly sophisticated”?

The world wonders.

My definition of a “sophisticated” detonation device would at a minimum include a system with a timer delay before the arming completes and a way to disarm in case it gets armed accidentally.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:48:16pm

Elsewhere in Austin, a jackass was arrested for making a bomb threat that forced the cancellation of a concert at SXSW Saturday night. The criminal mastermind sent the threat by email.

MAN ARRESTED AFTER BOMB THREAT CANCELS THE ROOTS’ SXSW PERFORMANCE

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JordanRules  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:48:37pm
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whitebeach  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:48:43pm

re: #113 austin_blue

I’ve always wondered what “fairly sophisticated” means.

If I have a pipe bomb rigged with a wooden dowel between a firing pin and a detonator, connected to a monofilament line that is pulled aside when the box is opened, releasing the spring-loaded pin onto an empty 25-caliber cartridge epoxeyed into the end of the pipe, is that “fairly sophisticated”?

How about if I take an old mercury thermostat switch and a 9-volt battery, safe it with a plastic collar stay, and also connect that with monofilament to a hole in the outside of the box? Then when I pull out the collar stay and clip the mono, the circuit is complete and as soon as someone lifts the box and the merc switch moves, the circuit closes and pops the electric detonator. Is that “fairly sophisticated”?

The world wonders.

Umm, blue? Seeing as how you’re in Austin, this probably isn’t the time to be posting stuff like this on the internet.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:51:52pm

Woman arrested after vandalising the interior of a mosque in Tempe, Arizona.

She took her small children along, teaching slurs and epithets along the way. She recorded it and uploaded it to Facebook.

huffingtonpost.com (with video from Facebook)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:52:53pm

re: #118 JordanRules

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Left out the Fremen of Dune and the Ferengi Council of Economic Advisors, both of which are about as likely as the named suspects.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:54:45pm

re: #114 JordanRules

Maybe already reported and gone? I only see 11 comments under the ABC News tweet and none by that user.

I still see it after reloading the thread. The account in question is a derpy alternative medicine site.

Tweet in question behind the privacy bar, a response to the ABC post.

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JordanRules  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:55:44pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

Interestingly enough, the one named Gonzales was not claimed by the “patriot” group they were chummy with here. The other one was acknowledged and disavowed.

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JordanRules  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:58:07pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Really interesting! I was wondering if we were seeing something different due to me being signed in as a user and you browsing as a non-user. Hmmm.

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Targetpractice  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:58:25pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Left out the Fremen of Dune and the Ferengi Council of Economic Advisors, both of which are about as likely as the named suspects.

Couldn’t be the Ferengi, there’s no profit in assassinations. If they wanted to shut up Skripal, that’s what bribes are for.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 10:58:50pm

I’ve been watching season 2 of Jessica Jones on Netflix and it’s really bad m’kay.

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Targetpractice  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:04:36pm

Apparently the idea that the OIG’s investigation into McCabe’s actions could be totally above-board and yet Sessions ramming through the OPR’s recommendation to justify firing him at 10:30pm on a Friday night causing the whole thing to stink to high heaven is totally lost on “serious” wingnuts.

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:05:02pm

re: #119 whitebeach

Umm, blue? Seeing as how you’re in Austin, this probably isn’t the time to be posting stuff like this on the internet.

I don’t disagree, but this guy (or these guys) have got their manufacturing down already. My only hope is that the two guys who got hurt tonight are the bomb makers and we will be done with this bullshit.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:06:02pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Couldn’t be the Ferengi, there’s no profit in assassinations. If they wanted to shut up Skripal, that’s what bribes are for.

The goal wasn’t to shut him up, Skripal and his daughter were poisoned as an object lesson to other would be spies. The message was “betray us and you and your family will never be safe.”

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whitebeach  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:08:03pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

Woman arrested after vandalising the interior of a mosque in Tempe, Arizona.

She took her small children along, teaching slurs and epithets along the way. She recorded it and uploaded it to Facebook.

huffingtonpost.com (with video from Facebook)

Is America great again, or what?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:10:20pm

It’s hellish here in Lubbock right now, winds 35-50 mph, dense dust, severe wildfire risk. The windows of my hotel room are rattling constantly and the whole building is shaking.

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Targetpractice  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:12:25pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

The goal wasn’t to shut him up, Skripal and his daughter were poisoned as an object lesson to other would be spies. The message was “betray us and you and your family will never be safe.”

I know, I was playing along with the joke. Which, in hindsight, was a bad idea.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:14:46pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

It’s hellish here in Lubbock right now, winds 35-50 mph, dense dust, severe wildfire risk. The windows of my hotel room are rattling constantly and the whole building is shaking.

Yoiks. Stay safe. (I just looked at Lubbock’s weather report, no fun there.)
forecast.weather.gov

I’m going to hang up for the night. I’m tired and such.

One thing’s for sure about the investigation going on with Mr. Mueller: Once this is all over (no matter how it comes out), the government seriously needs to look at shoring up and modernising our laws and institutions.

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Kragar  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:18:26pm
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whitebeach  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:20:54pm

re: #128 austin_blue

I don’t disagree, but this guy (or these guys) have got their manufacturing down already. My only hope is that the two guys who got hurt tonight are the bomb makers and we will be done with this bullshit.

It is devoutly to be hoped, although perhaps not likely. For years in Greenwich Village I walked past the empty space on W. 11th St. where a brownstone had stood until a couple of Weather Underground assholes making bombs in the basement fucked up and killed themselves and another Underground asshole just entering the building. Even as lefty as I was, my first thought was always, “Good fucking riddance.”

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:22:17pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

The goal wasn’t to shut him up, Skripal and his daughter were poisoned as an object lesson to other would be spies. The message was “betray us and you and your family will never be safe.”

Yup. Force projection, by any means. If that requires that you defy the Geneva Conventions, so be it. Putin authorized the kill shot, no doubt. He has to pay for his hubris.

Interestingly enough, the daughter flew into England from Russia a couple of days before the attack. She had previously been left alone in Russia.

If May doesn’t grab every bit of Russian money in London, including their property, and kick the Oligarchs and their relatives out, it won’t mean a damn thing. The 100 Families must be designated as international pariahs and expelled from the West. And she should demand the EU to do the same thing.

THAT will burn Putin’s ass.

Oh, wait, Brexit. Maybe the EU will laugh at her and say, “If you weren’t leaving, we would seriously entertain that idea, but…”

I’m off for the rack. Leaving tomorrow evening for 19 days in the UK. Our feline overlord will yell at us for 3 days after we return, despite the fact that we will have daily visitors to give her scritches.

Oh, and Bluebonnets are popping up in the front yard. Right purdy.

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austin_blue  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:27:51pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

It’s hellish here in Lubbock right now, winds 35-50 mph, dense dust, severe wildfire risk. The windows of my hotel room are rattling constantly and the whole building is shaking.

Rub some dirt in it! Be a man! Getcher guns up! That’s a normal day when the wind is up on the Llano Estacado. It’ll be here tomorrow and Tuesday with a thin coating of dust on everything. Oh, and Red Flag Fire Warnings all over the Hill Country. This new drought sucks.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:28:37pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:34:00pm

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

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Wow, Snowden manages to show a single moment of “independence.”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 18, 2018 • 11:35:20pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Wow, Snowden manages to show a single moment of “independence.”

Independence®

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Kragar  Mar 19, 2018 • 12:05:51am
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freetoken  Mar 19, 2018 • 12:12:04am

Something sparked my curiosity about coal seam fires tonight, so looking through recent news articles has me pondering on why these things get so little attention.

Now, some will say there have always been non-human caused coal-seam fires, and they are correct.

However, human activity has definitely increased their occurence.

And there’s a nasty feedback loop now coming into play. As western US forests become drier (due to climate change), they are more fuel for above ground fires. But, above ground fires ignite underground fires. Then, underground fires (which are near impossible to extinguish), go create new above-ground fires.

It all seems like an ecological disaster that is being under appreciated for both the immediate impact and the possibility of future disasters.

For example, from last year: State works to control burning coal seam in South Canyon

A long-burning underground coal seam just west of Glenwood Springs that’s believed to have been responsible for sparking one of the area’s most devastating fires in terms of property loss 15 years ago this month is due for a new round of efforts to keep it from spreading.

[…]

I think what triggered my interest in this was watching a video on paleo-botany yesterday, and pictures were shown of the expanses of exposed coal seams on Ellesmere Island. These are open to the air, and the thought occurred to me that if some anarchist wanted to do eco-terrorism, they could try to set fire to these seams (cold as they are) and they’d burn forever, releasing masses of CO2, as well as mercury, into the atmosphere.

There are even fossil coal-seam fires that have been discovered on Ellesmere: schweizerbart.de

There has been interest in mining this surface-access coal:

It all seems like a disaster-in-waiting to me. Fortunately, the indigenous population that runs that part of Canada doesn’t appear to want to bend to the demand for coal.

But all around the world there are carbon deposits just waiting to be burned, and some of them will be burned not under controlled circumstances.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2018 • 12:12:39am
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Kragar  Mar 19, 2018 • 1:22:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 2:00:51am

re: #17 makeitstop

Public employees can’t be gagged by private agreements. These so-called NDAs are unconstitutional and unenforceable.

We elected someone with no background in government, and one who is obviously clueless of some of the key differences between public service and private business.

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JordanRules  Mar 19, 2018 • 2:35:38am

He should be proud of Ivanka I guess, since she is a lot like him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 3:16:32am

This popped up on FB, I am assuming that it was meant ironically, but given Poe’s Law, this will be re-posted by people who take it seriously and at face value.

Because of course the libs will also want to confiscate air rifles.

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Targetpractice  Mar 19, 2018 • 3:45:12am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This popped up on FB, I am assuming that it was meant ironically, but given Poe’s Law, this will be re-posted by people who take it seriously and at face value.

Because of course the libs will also want to confiscate air rifles.

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Yes, because gov’t agents would never think to bring metal detectors or other means of searching for any firearms hidden in the house or on the property itself. And Johnny will regularly dig up that rifle to do preventative maintenance so that he can have it read when it comes time to rise up against the “tyrannical government.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 3:49:12am

re: #148 Targetpractice

Yes, because gov’t agents would never think to bring metal detectors or other means of searching for any firearms hidden in the house or on the property itself. And Johnny will regularly dig up that rifle to do preventative maintenance so that he can have it read when it comes time to rise up against the “tyrannical government.

It is a tenet of RW faith that the Government is just waiting to come and confiscate all our weapons. Because if the Jews in Germany had had them, there never would have been a Holocaust and if Jesus and his disciples had been properly armed, he would never have been crucified…

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wheat-dogg  Mar 19, 2018 • 3:49:46am

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

My response to that.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 19, 2018 • 3:56:51am

re: #126 goddamnedfrank

I’ve made to episode 6 so far. It’s a real slog compared to JJ’s first season.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 19, 2018 • 4:42:56am

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

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lol, Snowden mildly complains about Russia…….in English.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 4:47:48am

re: #152 bill d. (b.d.)

lol, Snowden mildly complains about Russia…….in English.

The Snowden affair was the first time I became aware of the extent to which Russia was manipulating American (social) media to promote its own political aims and agenda.

All I can say is that they recognized a vulnerability and exploited it. For the most part, what they are doing is underhanded and shadowy but not really illegal.

If we are dumb enough to let social media news feeds shape our views on current events and political developments, then they are foolish not to take advantage of that weakness.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 19, 2018 • 4:57:49am

If there are protests in the event of a Mueller firing I fully expect a rapid exploitation by Russia on social media.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 19, 2018 • 4:59:25am

Whoa! I did not see that coming.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:19:11am

From the NY Mag story, above:

“During the campaign, Charles “Chuck” Johnson, an early supporter of Ted Cruz, said Lewandowski tried to hire him to do opposition research. Johnson said he declined the offer but that he and Lewandowski remained friends. Periodically, Johnson would use his website GotNews to prop Lewandowski up, once announcing, when there were murmurs he might work in the White House, “HE’S BACK!”

Johnson liked to call himself a journalist and “debunker of frauds,” but he was known primarily as a pervasive far-right menace, an oddity with few personal boundaries who’d once raised $150,000 for a neo-Nazi’s legal defense fund. In 2012, he had promoted unfounded accusations involving underage prostitutes and Bob Menendez, the Democratic senator from New Jersey, on the conservative website the Daily Caller. At the time, the publication’s executive editor overseeing the Menendez coverage was David Martosko. Today, Martosko is the political editor of the Daily Mail. About the Daily Mail’s Porter scoop, “I don’t know what I’m allowed to say,” Johnson told me. “Probe-Media, from my understanding, is going to be doing a lot more work with private eyes.”

Johnson was always taking credit for things he didn’t seem to have any connection to. He was usually wrong, but he did seem to know things, sometimes, that turned out to be true, and, sometimes, he seemed to know them before anyone else. He also seemed to benefit from the fact that the new administration was populated by people who hadn’t been following politics very closely in recent years. He claimed he knew about Porter months in advance of the stories, and that some mysterious “we” was pleased with how things unfurled, even if he was surprised it took so long. Johnson said Lewandowski had nothing to do with the stories and that he wasn’t among the people he’d told about Porter. (Reached repeatedly for comment, Lewandowski did not answer questions.)”

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Dave In Austin  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:20:38am
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jeffreyw  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:21:24am

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Good morning!

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:41:37am

re: #156 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

From the NY Mag story, above:

“During the campaign, Charles “Chuck” Johnson, an early supporter of Ted Cruz, said Lewandowski tried to hire him to do opposition research. Johnson said he declined the offer but that he and Lewandowski remained friends. Periodically, Johnson would use his website GotNews to prop Lewandowski up, once announcing, when there were murmurs he might work in the White House, “HE’S BACK!”

For me the great take-away was the revelation from the Daily Mail that Hope Hicks had a self-tan fail of her feet. That, and the icky stuff about “Hope, do we like him?” and “Hope, what do we think about that?”

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ipsos  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:45:14am

re: #157 Dave In Austin

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Cruz and Cornyn resigning would be a pretty shitty outcome, at least in the short term.

Can you even begin to imagine who Abbott would appoint to those seats on an interim basis? (I’m assuming “Greg Abbott” is at least half of the answer.)

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:48:21am
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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:48:36am

two cardinals and two female painted buntings

Good morning!
(i didnt see a copyright)

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:49:24am

once more

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:49:49am

Well if we thought last week was banana nut city remember that the Government once again may shut down on Friday night. From what I’m seeing on the union webpages Trump may just go ahead and veto the continuing resolution to get the shutdown that he’s wanted ever since he came in…

And his Stalinesque purges aren’t only going on at the State Department. They’re going on all thru the Government. And the last agency to appeal a dismissal the Merit System Protection Board can’t handle any cases because it only has one member…

talkingpointsmemo.com

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:55:28am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We elected someone with no background in government, and one who is obviously clueless of some of the key differences between public service and private business.

and on this issue he had help from Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and the White House Counsel’s Office

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:56:49am

re: #161 Belafon

During Issa’s four years as chairman, the Oversight committee subpoenaed the Obama administration more than 100 times for wide-ranging investigations into the State Department, the IRS, the General Services Administration, the Department of Health and Human Services and the Justice Department, to name a few.

Needless to say, if the Dems were to try to do that, it would be branded “the greatest partisan with hunt in US history”

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:57:54am

re: #150 wheat-dogg

My response to that.

Great for dieting, too. You get a drop of water and a breadcrumb for dinner.

slight correction:

you get a drop of water that once had a breadcrumb in it

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lizardofid  Mar 19, 2018 • 5:59:24am

re: #167 dangerman

slight correction:

you get a drop of water that once had a breadcrumb in it

Ah, breadcrumb soup!

Oh, and good mornin’!

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:04:24am

re: #168 lizardofid

Ah, breadcrumb soup!

Oh, and good mornin’!

homeopathic dontcha know

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:08:04am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Needless to say, if the Dems were to try to do that, it would be branded “the greatest partisan with hunt in US history”

“Well, that’s their job. Get over it, folks.”

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:09:04am

re: #169 dangerman

homeopathic dontcha know

Gotta be sure there are no gluten residuals, though.

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Varek Raith  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:11:26am

re: #155 wheat-dogg

Whoa! I did not see that coming.

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Sigh, they done fucked up the space-time thingamajig.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:17:39am

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:19:19am

re: #172 Varek Raith

Sigh, they done fucked up the space-time thingamajig.

No kiddin’

Morning news…

“Tomorrow we get the largest storm of the season”. Later… “Today is the last day of Winter”.

Wut? Ummm that would be the first storm of Spring right?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:19:52am

Trump fires McCabe:

[Brit Hume]Trump firing McCabe was totally justified! McCabe lied to FBI investigators! Had nothing to do with Russia![/Brit Hume]

I totally fired this loser McCabe because of Russia! So cool! No collusion! You’re the collusion!

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:22:50am

The biggest problem we have in the world today is Political Correctness. It is so evil. It keeps me from saying what I really want to say! We must get rid of Political Correctness!

Person: So what do you want to say?

Political correctness is terrible! It’s stifling debate!

Person: OK, but what specific things would you like to say that if you were able to say them, would encourage debate and help solve problems?

Your question is very Politically Correct and I don’t have to respond to “politically correct” gotcha questions.

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Varek Raith  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:23:53am

FRAUGHT WITH PERJURY TRAPS!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:28:47am

re: #173 Joe Bacon 🌹

“Space Force” is another one of those amazing Trumianisms that our media came to accept.

Did anyone ask him if he had asked for any sort of planning studies or draft projects for such a force, or was he just babbling? And if it was the latter, then why was it not treated as another example of extemporized pie hole leakage?

Because this is the New Media Reality and Trump, for whatever else you can say about him, knows how to play it like a concert violin.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:30:12am

re: #177 Varek Raith

FRAUGHT WITH PERJURY TRAPS!

This is the point of the Mueller investigation: the more sworn testimony he records, the more inconsistencies and downright contradictions he is going to uncover. At some point, somebody will be done for perjury.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:37:40am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Space Force” is another one of those amazing Trumianisms that our media came to accept.

Did anyone ask him if he had asked for any sort of planning studies or draft projects for such a force, or was he just babbling? And if it was the latter, then why was it not treated as another example of extemporized pie hole leakage?

Because this is the New Media Reality and Trump, for whatever else you can say about him, knows how to play it like a concert violin.

He’s likely just babbling. Planning? Draft projects? Pffft….that’s for chumps.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:40:20am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is the point of the Mueller investigation: the more sworn testimony he records, the more inconsistencies and downright contradictions he is going to uncover. At some point, somebody will be done for perjury.

Trump would perjure himself the second he opens his mouth. I saw elsewhere that Trump and his lawyers likely freaked out when they saw the questions that Mueller wanted to ask - they freaked out because it probably hit them that Mueller already has the answers and they’re now painted into a corner.

That certainly explains why Trump is increasingly coming across as a cornered rat. Because he is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:42:12am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

He’s likely just babbling. Planning? Draft projects? Pffft….that’s for chumps.

it’s for people who got elected to actually govern and understand how government works.

but that is not who we elected

but it is also the new normal

our biggest mistake will be to allow this to establish itself as acceptable

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:42:50am

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

That certainly explains why Trump is increasingly coming across as a cornered rat. Because he is.

All he can try to do now is to spread rabies.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:45:30am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it’s for people who got elected to actually govern and understand how government works.

but that is not who we elected

but it is also the new normal

our biggest mistake will be to allow this to establish itself as acceptable

Yeah, like that one GOP rep (I forgot his name) who apparently saw Hobo With A Shotgun and thought to himself, “Hey man, that’s a brilliant idea to reduce crime!”

Heaven help us all if he ends up seeing Werewolf Women of the SS - who knows what batshit crazy legislation he might come up with?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:51:04am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, like that one GOP rep (I forgot his name) who apparently saw Hobo With A Shotgun and thought to himself, “Hey man, that’s a brilliant idea to reduce crime!”

It is the sort of idea that he can sell to his base with great applause, and that is all that counts

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:52:12am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Space Force” is another one of those amazing Trumianisms that our media came to accept.

Did anyone ask him if he had asked for any sort of planning studies or draft projects for such a force, or was he just babbling? And if it was the latter, then why was it not treated as another example of extemporized pie hole leakage?

Because this is the New Media Reality and Trump, for whatever else you can say about him, knows how to play it like a concert violin.

all press release hats, no cattle

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:53:17am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is the sort of idea that he can sell to his base with great applause, and that is all that counts

He’s coming up here this afternoon to gum up traffic and promote the death penalty for drug dealers (by arming non-addict hobos with shotguns, Duterte style).

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:54:07am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is the point of the Mueller investigation: the more sworn testimony he records, the more inconsistencies and downright contradictions he is going to uncover. At some point, somebody will be done for perjury.

thats why trumps lawyers dont want him to actually “talk” and want to go with written responses (also that they could write them)

because innocent, unplanned perjury can happen to the nicest people when asked the same simple question more than once

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:58:25am

re: #188 dangerman

thats why trumps lawyers dont want him to actually “talk” and want to go with written responses (also that they could write them)

because innocent, unplanned perjury can happen to the nicest people when asked the same simple question more than once

or when asked a series of questions related to one topic

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2018 • 6:59:31am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is the point of the Mueller investigation: the more sworn testimony he records, the more inconsistencies and downright contradictions he is going to uncover. At some point, somebody everybody will be done for perjury.

FTFY

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:02:14am

re: #190 sagehen

FTFY

I think a few people will be able to lie strategically enough to escape that, but there will be end of contradictions and inconsistencies.

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:06:57am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

or when asked a series of questions related to one topic

well that could trip up anybody ////

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:08:57am

re: #161 Belafon

And Rep Cummings doesn’t pull his punches.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:10:45am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Space Force” is another one of those amazing Trumianisms that our media came to accept.

Did anyone ask him if he had asked for any sort of planning studies or draft projects for such a force, or was he just babbling? And if it was the latter, then why was it not treated as another example of extemporized pie hole leakage?

Because this is the New Media Reality and Trump, for whatever else you can say about him, knows how to play it like a concert violin.

Trump is good for business.

Whoever our next President is, he or she probably won’t pull in the ratings/views/clicks like Trump does. The man loves being the center of attention so he keeps saying/tweeting outrageous shit so he can stay the center of attention.

His entire admin is just a huge fucking exercise in ego stroking…and it’s destroying our country.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:11:43am

This is a great/sad exchange in Kobach’s fraud trial:

On Tuesday, one of Mr. Kobach’s witnesses, a political scientist, Jesse Richman, testified that up to 18,000 noncitizens have registered or tried to register in Kansas. When the A.C.L.U.’s lawyer asked him about his methods for analyzing the state’s list of suspended voters, Mr. Richman said that, among other things, he flagged foreign-sounding names. What about a name like “Carlos Murguia,” the lawyer asked. Would he flag that one? Yes, Mr. Richman said. He was then informed that Carlos Murguia is a federal district judge who sits in the courthouse where the trial is being held.

h/t Daily Kos

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:12:24am

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump is good for business.

Whoever our next President is, he or she probably won’t pull in the ratings/views/clicks like Trump does. The man loves being the center of attention so he keeps saying/tweeting outrageous shit so he can stay the center of attention.

His entire admin is just a huge fucking exercise in ego stroking…and it’s destroying our country.

It is also a ratings boom for the media who are more interested in selling advertising time than in reporting information we need to make reasoned decisions.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:13:08am

re: #195 Belafon

This is a great/sad exchange in Kobach’s fraud trial:

h/t Daily Kos

Owned. And wtf is a foreign sounding name in a nation of immigrants?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:19:11am

re: #197 HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)

Owned. And wtf is a foreign sounding name in a nation of immigrants?

Exactly. I am white with European ancestry but my last name is rather unusual and is often mistaken for being Hispanic.

Fuck that guy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:19:15am

I’m being rhetorical obviously but man that crap legitimately pisses me off.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:20:30am

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly. I am white with European ancestry but my last name is rather unusual and is often mistaken for being Hispanic.

Fuck that guy.

Yeah I have a rare surname too. I’m glad the ACLU exposed Kobach’s scam for the bigoted shit fest it is.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:20:51am

re: #134 Kragar

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That is way cool!!! May it be so.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:30:02am

re: #197 HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)

Owned. And wtf is a foreign sounding name in a nation of immigrants?

“Johnson”.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:32:11am

Olivia Nuzzi is getting near universal praise from her peers for her article today on Hope Hicks, I see. But the comments to all of her peers’ twitter posts are nearly unanimous in condemning what they see as normalization/glamorization of HH. Honestly, I found it revealing in several ways. Pretty tough to write when the subject won’t go on record herself.

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:44:46am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is also a ratings boom for the media who are more interested in selling advertising time than in reporting information we need to make reasoned decisions.

this ++++++++

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:45:29am

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly. I am white with European ancestry but my last name is rather unusual and is often mistaken for being Hispanic.

Fuck that guy.

“Cyborg”?

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nines09  Mar 19, 2018 • 7:46:24am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:05:00am

re: #205 dangerman

“Cyborg”?

Not foreign sounding enough for you?

///

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:07:54am

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

Heh, Ted Lieu liked this Tweet

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retired cynic  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:07:56am

Ugh! Just listened to an hour of On Point on corruption, chaos and churn in this admin*. Host Kimberly Atkins (???), and guests from Politico and The Evening Standard. They made a point of seeming to be “even handed” but were totally in the business of normalization. I was just appalled. It is not what I expect from that show and I went on Facebook to their page to express my indignation. No facts, just spin. GRRRRRRRRR!

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:12:52am

re: #195 Belafon

On Tuesday, one of Mr. Kobach’s witnesses, a political scientist, Jesse Richman, testified that up to 18,000 noncitizens have registered or tried to register in Kansas. When the A.C.L.U.’s lawyer asked him about his methods for analyzing the state’s list of suspended voters

Are the 18k who tried to register the same as “suspended voters”? The article later references those who have had their applications to vote suspended. The editorial is a little confusing on this point. But, yes, the whole “foreign-sounding name” scam is Jim Crow reborn and out in the open.

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:13:42am

once more

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

Not foreign sounding enough for you?

///

well not scary foreign

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:18:10am

re: #210 Sir John Barron

Ah, OK, this is a little clearer:

Richman has estimated that roughly 18,000 non-citizens are registered to vote in Kansas based on a review of temporary driver’s licenses and voter rolls.

The ACLU grilled Richman about his methodology to produce these estimates, which included flagging foreign-sounding names.

Dale Ho, an attorney for the ACLU, asked Richman if we would have flagged the name “Carlos Murguia” as a foreign-sounding name, according to the Capital-Journal.

Read more here: kansascity.com

So, the “flagging foreign sounding names” is among the tactics the study uses to inflate the likely number of illegal foreign registrations.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:19:50am

re: #212 Sir John Barron

Ah, OK, this is a little clearer:

Read more here: kansascity.com

So, the “flagging foreign sounding names” is among the tactics the study uses to inflate the likely number of illegal foreign registrations.

Wonder if Boris Putin would have gotten flagged under their criteria?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:20:24am

re: #213 Eventual Carrion

Wonder if Boris Putin would have gotten flagged under their criteria?

Or Donald Drumpf?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:24:12am

What really amazes me is how just loud, proud and out in the open Trump’s abuse of power is and has been. “Yeah, we estimate that there are eleventy billions of illegal voters based on funny sounding names…Yeah I fired Comey and McCabe because of Russia”…hundreds of tweets railing against “witch hunts”, insulting anyone who doesn’t support him. All patently self-interested and full of threats.

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retired cynic  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:26:24am

Farmers (sometimes) just like to have fun: These Cows Wrote a Message That Could Be Seen From Space. The message was “Hi.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:26:45am

re: #212 Sir John Barron
From the article:

Stephen Ansolabehere, a Harvard professor who developed the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, the data that Richman relied on his for his study, testified later in the day that the raw data inflates the rate of non-citizens voting partly because people who are actually citizens accidentally mark the box for non-citizens.

Garbage in, garbage out, I guess.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:29:00am

He is highlighting the need for basic and COMPREHENSIVE reforms of our voting system.

Universal ID for all citizens and registered legal aliens is needed. That would end a lot of issues connected with voter fraud, and also illegal use of US social services, which would in turn ease a lot of immigration-based issues.

Right now, they want to build a wall because it is too easy to get over here, get established as a resident and build a life. If we make that more difficult through a mandatory citizen/resident alien ID system, then we have removed a lot of that incentive.

And it would be a fuck of a lot cheaper than buying all that land and building, maintaining and patrolling a thousand-plus of miles of wall.

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Varek Raith  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:35:36am
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:38:01am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is the sort of idea that he can sell to his base with great applause, and that is all that counts

Because who doesn’t want the guy on the street corner yelling at imaginary people to be waving a gun around?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:43:10am

re: #202 GlutenFreeJesus

“Johnson”.

Kobach.

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:50:02am
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 19, 2018 • 8:50:59am

re: #221 HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)

Kobach.

Is a loser.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:03:36am

re: #216 retired cynic

Farmers (sometimes) just like to have fun: These Cows Wrote a Message That Could Be Seen From Space. The message was “Hi.”

Sheep Art

Extreme Sheep LED Art

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:05:51am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is highlighting the need for basic and COMPREHENSIVE reforms of our voting system.

Universal ID for all citizens and registered legal aliens is needed. That would end a lot of issues connected with voter fraud, and also illegal use of US social services, which would in turn ease a lot of immigration-based issues.

Right now, they want to build a wall because it is too easy to get over here, get established as a resident and build a life. If we make that more difficult through a mandatory citizen/resident alien ID system, then we have removed a lot of that incentive.

And it would be a fuck of a lot cheaper than buying all that land and building, maintaining and patrolling a thousand-plus of miles of wall.

Here is the real problem. The GOP doesn’t want to actually fix anything. If it is fixed they can’t complain and try to manipulate things by looking to “fix” them.

A national ID card for any legal resident allowing you to vote and a fair way to draw congressional districts in states and the GOP may actually have to become decent politicians or fear losing a whole lot of seats and a lot of political power until they clean up their acts.

Do they want to clean up their acts? I don’t see anything that says they do.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:08:11am

re: #223 Big Beautiful Door

Is a loser.

That too.

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:15:13am
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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:15:47am
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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:16:36am

re: #215 Sir John Barron

What really amazes me is how just loud, proud and out in the open Trump’s abuse of power is and has been. “Yeah, we estimate that there are eleventy billions of illegal voters based on funny sounding names…Yeah I fired Comey and McCabe because of Russia”…hundreds of tweets railing against “witch hunts”, insulting anyone who doesn’t support him. All patently self-interested and full of threats.

and from congress:

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:16:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:18:43am

re: #225 ObserverArt

Here is the real problem. The GOP doesn’t want to actually fix anything. If it is fixed they can’t complain and try to manipulate things by looking to “fix” them.

A national ID card for any legal resident allowing you to vote and a fair way to draw congressional districts in states and the GOP may actually have to become decent politicians or fear losing a whole lot of seats and a lot of political power until they clean up their acts.

Do they want to clean up their acts? I don’t see anything that says they do.

I know, and plenty of people on the Left would also oppose such a system of registration.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:26:54am

NARRATOR: “Trump really does not look like this.”

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:27:40am

re: #224 sagehen

Sheep Art

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Video

the cows were coerced with feed and didnt move a whole lot
the sheep look practiced or trained and moved around by the dogs

both very clever
edge to the sheep
next i want to see them do thriller:

YouTube

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:28:11am

Here is the Jim Carrey portrait. I think he really nailed it.

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ipsos  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:28:52am

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t think that Jim Carrey painting does her justice.

The eyes are far too symmetrical.

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:28:55am

re: #225 ObserverArt

Here is the real problem. The GOP doesn’t want to actually fix anything. If it is fixed they can’t complain and try to manipulate things by looking to “fix” them.

A national ID card for any legal resident allowing you to vote and a fair way to draw congressional districts in states and the GOP may actually have to become decent politicians or fear losing a whole lot of seats and a lot of political power until they clean up their acts.

Do they want to clean up their acts? I don’t see anything that says they do.

easier to game and rig the system

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:33:58am

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

Here is the Jim Carrey portrait. I think he really nailed it.

I like that he uses the form of Trump’s typical tweet, but uses words that Trump probably doesn’t understand.

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:35:35am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I know, and plenty of people on the Left would also oppose such a system of registration.

Why would you think plenty people on the left would oppose it?

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:35:49am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:39:14am

re: #158 jeffreyw

So, that’s what the bird feeders are for, fattening up the birds for the bird sausage…

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:39:32am

re: #212 Sir John Barron

Buried the lede there -

Besides the fact that Kobach is lying and relying on an expert witness who disagrees with what Kobach is claiming, Richman is stating that his main consideration for determining whether someone isn’t a legitimate voter is that they have a foreign sounding name.

Oh, and the name he would have excluded?

That’s the name of another federal judge in the building:

Dale Ho, an attorney for the ACLU, asked Richman if we would have flagged the name “Carlos Murguia” as a foreign-sounding name, according to the Capital-Journal.

Yes, Richman answered.

Ho informed him that Murguia is a federal judge whose courtroom is located in the same courthouse as the trial.

I’m sure that really goes over well with the white supremacist bigot brigade.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:39:51am

re: #228 gocart mozart

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The Second Amendment exists so that yahoos can shoot people that are no longer part of the gov’t?

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:40:55am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:42:28am

re: #238 ObserverArt

Why would you think plenty people on the left would oppose it?

There has been strong objection on the left to centralized ID systems. (Shades of Soviet internal passports.)

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:46:13am

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

It’s art.

Huckabee can go suck it given all the awful depictions the right wing shitgibbons made of Hillary or Obama over the years.

None of those were particularly Christian of those doing the depictions.

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Kragar  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:49:42am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:50:06am

re: #238 ObserverArt

Why would you think plenty people on the left would oppose it?

all the dudebros and CT fans who would see it as part of a ZOG plot to control us

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:53:42am

re: #244 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

There has been strong objection on the left to centralized ID systems. (Shades of Soviet internal passports.)

Which is just weird given that my drivers license identifies me in all 50 states already.

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Weaselone  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:54:19am

re: #244 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

There has been strong objection on the left to centralized ID systems. (Shades of Soviet internal passports.)

Opposition is stronger on the right. Mark of the Beast.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:55:04am

re: #244 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

There has been strong objection on the left to centralized ID systems. (Shades of Soviet internal passports.)

even though it would only be required when exercising a right (to vote, to register a weapon) or accessing public services and assistance.

almost every other industrialized nation has a similar system. But we are special, and for that, we have a lot of very special problems that other nations do not, at least to our extent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:55:37am

re: #248 Belafon

Which is just weird given that my drivers license identifies me in all 50 states already.

a) not everybody has one
b) not every license holder is an eligible voter

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:55:44am

I posted this on FB this morning. A Lubbock demagogue has actually called for government action to stop Facebook from “censoring conservative views;” that is, a real First Amendment violation to end an imaginary one. This is how these people think.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 9:58:09am

The government already knows where I live, where I work, who I am married to, how many kids I have and who they are. It’s trivial to find out not only which cars I own, but how often I get the oil changed. I sort of understand the fear, but, as we’re seeing, the difference between us and Russia is that we still have way too many people that say “screw that” to things like gathering voting information.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:00:11am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a) not everybody has one
b) not every license holder is an eligible voter

For a second, lets lump in any form of public ID into “drivers license”. Those that don’t have one aren’t trying to participate in anything, are they?

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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:00:19am

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

Here is the Jim Carrey portrait. I think he really nailed it.

The Politically Correct conservatives/Nazis are losing their shit now because someone was mean.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:03:25am

re: #254 Belafon

For a second, lets lump in any form of public ID into “drivers license”. Those that don’t have one aren’t trying to participate in anything, are they?

I just favor a universal ID that would put to rest any serious concerns about voter/welfare fraud and make it much more difficult for illegal aliens to establish themselves here economically.

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JordanRules  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:04:10am
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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:04:38am

re: #250 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

even though it would only be required when exercising a right (to vote, to register a weapon) or accessing public services and assistance.

almost every other industrialized nation has a similar system. But we are special, and for that, we have a lot of very special problems that other nations do not, at least to our extent.

to appease all those scared of central databases, i’d suggest not making it compulsory

if you didnt want to vote, or get some government service, you wouldnt otherwise need to have one

and you could never be stopped or otherwise asked to produce it to prove anything

there are already many such databases / systems - as mentioned- driver licenses, ssn, passports, voting registration

none are comprehensive w/r/t the entire population and they dont talk to each other. and they have not taken over

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:06:23am

re: #255 Dr. Matt

The Politically Correct conservatives/Nazis are losing their shit now because someone was mean.

if it’s accurate, it’s not mean
truth is a defense //

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:08:19am

re: #244 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

There has been strong objection on the left to centralized ID systems. (Shades of Soviet internal passports.)

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

all the dudebros and CT fans who would see it as part of a ZOG plot to control us

I’ve heard some of that, but are there enough people who think that way to actually stop national ID?

Nothing is perfect, and maybe with the way things are going they may now be willing.

Actually we already are on a national ID system…Social Security number. And that is used for ID for so many things.

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JordanRules  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:08:46am

re: #256 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just favor a universal ID that would put to rest any serious concerns about voter/welfare fraud and make it much more difficult for illegal aliens to establish themselves here economically.

It would not put to rest those concerns because they are largely based on racism not on logic. The undocumented already have plenty of impediments. And I still feel like there is a good faith argument for ID reform, just not one based on marginalized folks and how the powerful folks use them to keep themselves that way.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:09:24am

re: #256 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just favor a universal ID that would put to rest any serious concerns about voter/welfare fraud and make it much more difficult for illegal aliens to establish themselves here economically.

I pretty much support this system. I think they should be mandatory, free, and easy to get.

I also find the argument that we would end up in a Soviet style system unconvincing. The Soviets didn’t need to document everyone to keep them in line.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:11:24am

re: #262 Belafon

I pretty much support this system. I think they should be mandatory, free, and easy to get.

free of charge, but in the end, cheaper and more effective than building and maintaining a wall

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gwangung  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:13:34am

re: #262 Belafon

I pretty much support this system. I think they should be mandatory, free, and easy to get.

I also find the argument that we would end up in a Soviet style system unconvincing. The Soviets didn’t need to document everyone to keep them in line.

Just be careful of efforts to game the system against marginalized peoples (the homeless, the non-property owners, etc.). The operational definitions have to be open enough to allow folks who don’t or can’t get birth certificates and so forth.

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:15:55am

re: #257 JordanRules

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Here is the typical wingnut thinking. We go from asking to have assault type rifles eliminated to poor Eric Trump can no longer go ‘shooting’ and he may resort to drugs.

With gun nunts you cannot go from 120 mph to 70 mph for safety…we will be taking all cars away forever!

Hey Eric…you know a lot of the international target shooting competitions use special purpose .22 gauge target rifles. No fun in that I suppose…

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Kragar  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:16:27am

Why are insurance rates so high for bagpipers?

Higher likelihood that they end up getting kilt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:17:25am

re: #261 JordanRules

It would not put to rest those concerns because they are largely based on racism not on logic. The undocumented already have plenty of impediments. And I still feel like there is a good faith argument for ID reform, just not one based on marginalized folks and how the powerful folks use them to keep themselves that way.

If I want to rent an apartment, sign an employment contract, open a bank account, enroll my children in school register a car, etc, in Germany, I need to produce my ID and proof of registered address.

We do not even need to take it to that extreme in America, but we are not going to resolve a lot of key issues until we come up with something similar.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:18:29am

I went to a stupid meeting this morning in the City Hall Annex (about a half mile from City Hall, but only a block from the fire station) And found that the guy who got my IV started has his OWN OFFICE! He’s the Fire Inspector! Was working for the hospital Friday night. Everybody around here needs two jobs.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:19:21am

re: #266 Kragar

(applaids)

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JordanRules  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:21:00am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If I want to rent an apartment, sign an employment contract, open a bank account, enroll my children in school register a car, etc, in Germany, I need to produce my ID and proof of registered address.

We do not even need to take it to that extreme in America, but we are not going to resolve a lot of key issues until we come up with something similar.

We need to be clear about what problems are being solved. I am open to being convinced, but voter fraud isn’t a thing and entitlement fraud is mostly committed by ID holding citizens.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:22:26am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:22:49am

re: #255 Dr. Matt

The Politically Correct conservatives/Nazis are losing their shit now because someone was mean.

Li’l snowflakes

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:25:26am

re: #270 JordanRules

We need to be clear about what problems are being solved. I am open to being convinced, but voter fraud isn’t a thing and entitlement fraud is mostly committed by ID holding citizens.

voter fraud is an imaginary problem meant to keep certain groups of people from voting

illegal employment is an issue, but without it, large sectors of our economy could not function. we need to address that issue in a simple, humane way. want to receive a paycheck? demonstrate that you have a legal right to live and work here.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:28:00am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:31:14am

re: #257 JordanRules

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Allegedly meaning there’s more to this than FNC and Eric are making out.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:31:24am

re: #257 JordanRules

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:33:04am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:33:36am

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

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That’s actually not true. Schools have punished students if they’re caught underaged drinking outside school grounds. I’d love to see the full story here because I know how FNC twists things with the help of conservatives who want to be treated like victims of liberalism.

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JordanRules  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:33:58am
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DodgerFan1988  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:38:24am

The NRA: “if the 13-year-old girl had a gun she could have defended herself!”

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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:39:34am

re: #279 JordanRules

LOL —> 1 Following 17.8M Followers

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:41:26am

re: #270 JordanRules

We need to be clear about what problems are being solved. I am open to being convinced, but voter fraud isn’t a thing and entitlement fraud is mostly committed by ID holding citizens.

yup. without “documents” you are not eligible for any type of welfare or most social services

they cannot receive food stamps, and never have been able to. In general, even legal immigrants have to be residents for five years, IIRC.

Emergency medical care to anyone - yes, we do that.
WIC to anyone yes.

While many who are not here legally do in fact pay federal income taxes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:41:49am

re: #280 DodgerFan1988

The NRA: “if the 13-year-old girl had a gun she could have defended herself!”

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And this is why I hate guns.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:42:48am

re: #281 Dr. Matt

LOL —> 1 Following 17.8M Followers

He follows his daughter

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:43:51am

Reminds me of my fundy ex-wife attributing her new husband’s survival to divine intervention (until he croaked last year) while my money, health and alleged youthful appearance are all the products of sin, corruption and a supposed affiliation with Mexican gun-runners.

Facebook Post

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:45:02am

re: #233 dangerman

the cows were coerced with feed and didnt move a whole lot
the sheep look practiced or trained and moved around by the dogs

both very clever
edge to the sheep
next i want to see them do thriller:

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Video

Nobody trains the sheep. Somebody definitely trains the sheepdogs; they have tournaments and everything. It’s my favorite thing about Scotland; almost makes up for the bagpipes and golf.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:45:33am

re: #285 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Reminds me of my fundy ex-wife attributing her new husband’s survival to divine intervention (until he croaked last year) while my money, health and alleged youthful appearance are all the products of sin, corruption and a supposed affiliation with Mexican gun-runners.

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What the fuck?

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:47:59am

re: #279 JordanRules

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Well, Carrey’s picture of Trump is obviously a caricature: I mean, those hands are WAY too large!

So what IS the wingnuts’ beef with these pics? That Jim Carrey drew/painted them? (Not bad as art goes, but if asked, I would advise Jim not to give up acting for a living just yet)

And if it’s the depictions that’s wadding their panties, compared to some caricatures of Trump and Huckybooboo that I’ve seen, Carrey’s stuff is positively complimentary.

Snowflakes, indeed.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:48:03am

re: #287 HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)

What the fuck?

People actually believe this shit. This is why those of us who really know fundies, ie southerners, are so alarmed at their growing influence in government. They will do or say literally anything.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:49:00am

re: #289 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

People actually believe this shit. This is why those of us who really know fundies, ie southerners, are so alarmed at their growing influence in government. They will do or say literally anything.

Yeah I knew conservative Catholics growing up but they weren’t totally crazy.

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BeachDem  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:49:43am

re: #271 jaunte

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And let us not forget that Joe is married to and law partners with the equally execrable Victoria Toensing.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:52:23am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:53:01am
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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:53:44am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Uber self-driving car hits, kills pedestrian in Arizona]

That location and those self-driving cars came up in the meeting I was in this morning. Everybody but me was convinced that they’re better than the people-driven cars.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:54:25am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:55:12am

re: #293 jaunte

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No shit but he’ll try and the MAGA idiots will cheer it on.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:55:38am

re: #295 lawhawk

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And Trump can’t psrdon Jared in NY.

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The Great Eye  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:57:08am

I’m not having new comments pop up on the “new comments” button or filling in when I click ‘auto’. I have to refresh the page to see new comments, anyone else having this happen?

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:57:14am

re: #297 HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)

No. He can’t.

Kushner’s criminal acts in NY cannot be pardoned by Trump. Trump can only pardon on federal crimes, and Kushner broke state laws, where only the NYS governor could consider pardoning or commuting any potential sentence handed down.

Oh, and Trump could also face state crimes for which he can’t pardon himself or others for the same reason.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:57:37am

re: #294 wrenchwench

That location and those self-driving cars came up in the meeting I was in this morning. Everybody but me was convinced that they’re better than the people-driven cars.

I’ve determined that using Uber self driving cars to kill off humanity one pedestrian at a time is by far one of Skynet’s most inefficient plans

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:57:51am

re: #286 sagehen

Nobody trains the sheep. Somebody definitely trains the sheepdogs; they have tournaments and everything. It’s my favorite thing about Scotland; almost makes up for the bagpipes and golf.

Yeah I shoulda realized

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JordanRules  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:58:37am

This headline! LOL I have laugh to keep from clenching my jaw. The NYT Opinion section has to be trolling us.

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:58:55am

re: #292 lawhawk

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Good news: presumably the Federal courts passed on for the same reason SCOTUS did? That it’s a State matter, and outside the G’s purview?

I say “ good news” for PA’s circumstances, but if this is a precedent, what’s to stop a more wingnutty State Supreme Court from ruling the other way, i.e. allowing the worst gerrymander the local GOP can dream up?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:58:56am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:59:20am

re: #299 lawhawk

No. He can’t.

Kushner’s criminal acts in NY cannot be pardoned by Trump. Trump can only pardon on federal crimes, and Kushner broke state laws, where only the NYS governor could consider pardoning or commuting any potential sentence handed down.

Oh, and Trump could also face state crimes for which he can’t pardon himself or others for the same reason.

WITCHHUNT WITCHHUNT WITCHHUNT WITCHHUNT WITCHUNT WITCHHUNT WITCHHUNT WITCHUNT!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 10:59:35am

re: #302 JordanRules

This headline! LOL I have laugh to keep from clenching my jaw. The NYT Opinion section has to be trolling us.

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Authoritarianism had a good name?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:01:01am

re: #306 HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)

Authoritarianism had a good name?

There’s good people on both sides…

/

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:03:53am

re: #307 Sir John Barron

/

I’d like to order another gross of those, please. Not enough on hand to get me through to impeachment time.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:04:37am

re: #294 wrenchwench

That location and those self-driving cars came up in the meeting I was in this morning. Everybody but me was convinced that they’re better than the people-driven cars.

Not in Lubbock. I am there today and I am reminded again of just how bad Lubbock drivers are. The place leads the nation in accidents caused by hitting stationary objects. Traffic signs, bridge abutments, fences, parked vehicles, storefronts, and houses are not safe anywhere in the city. One enterprising drunk managed to drive through the front door of an emergency clinic. One house that faces a dead end has been hit 4 times in 20 years. I will attempt to escape this afternoon, fleeing to the southeast during a lull in the carnage.

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JordanRules  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:05:02am

This is the one CA is trying to censor.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:05:27am

Dow -368.14

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JordanRules  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:06:18am

re: #310 JordanRules

This is the one CA is trying to censor.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:07:04am

re: #309 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Not in Lubbock. I am there today and I am reminded again of just how bad Lubbock drivers are. The place leads the nation in accidents caused by hitting stationary objects. Traffic signs, bridge abutments, fences, parked vehicles, storefronts, and houses are not safe anywhere in the city. One enterprising drunk managed to drive through the front door of an emergency clinic. One house that faces a dead end has been hit 4 times in 20 years. I will attempt to escape this afternoon, fleeing to the southeast during a lull in the carnage.

May the wind be at your back, improving the mpgs [mspg] that you get.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:07:10am

re: #294 wrenchwench

That location and those self-driving cars came up in the meeting I was in this morning. Everybody but me was convinced that they’re better than the people-driven cars.

Self-driving cars are better than people driven ones. People are a menace. Weren’t you severely injured by a people-driven car?

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ipsos  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:07:14am

re: #303 Jay C

Good news: presumably the Federal courts passed on for the same reason SCOTUS did? That it’s a State matter, and outside the G’s purview?

I say “ good news” for PA’s circumstances, but if this is a precedent, what’s to stop a more wingnutty State Supreme Court from ruling the other way, i.e. allowing the worst gerrymander the local GOP can dream up?

Presumably the wingnuttiest of the states are the ones without as many districts to gerrymander, though.

Not much anyone can do about the district lines of WY-AL or MT-AL!

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:07:32am
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ipsos  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:08:41am

re: #314 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Self-driving cars are better than people driven ones. People are a menace. Weren’t you severely injured by a people-driven car?

An acquaintance of mine was killed last week in Florida while walking across the parking lot at Publix. An older driver (81, IIRC) got into her car, started driving off, had a heart attack and plowed into him and the front of the store.

A self-driving car wouldn’t have done that.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:09:22am

re: #313 wrenchwench

May the wind be at your back, improving the mpgs [mspg] that you get.

It will be in fact. With the way it is blowing today, I could almost put the minivan in neutral and let it sail as far as the I-20 intersection at Sweetwater.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:10:05am

re: #314 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Self-driving cars are better than people driven ones. People are a menace. Weren’t you severely injured by a people-driven car?

Yes. I don’t trust any cars. They should be forced off of the nation’s excellent bike route system. All of it. Even the interstates. Freight goes back on the trains. They’ll need more tracks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:10:07am

re: #316 Ace-o-aces

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Didn’t realize it was illegal to mock the press secretary. Yawn FNC, you hosted people who said much worse about Obama and his family. Get over it snowflakes.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:11:24am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:12:12am

Republicans all in as scumbag lawyers smear the FBI.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:12:39am

re: #321 jaunte

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He attacks anyone who doesn’t kiss his fat orange asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:13:13am

re: #322 jaunte

Republicans all in as scumbag lawyers smear the FBI.

I hope it’s the FBI that eventually brings him down.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:13:37am

re: #323 HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)

He attacks anyone who doesn’t kiss his fat orange asshole.

I’ll be needing more brain-bleach, too.

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:13:51am

re: #295 lawhawk

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He already tried to pawn it off on the lawyers

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:14:29am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:16:47am

Compare McCabe’s service to our country with Trump’s.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:17:48am

re: #326 dangerman

Of course he did. No personal responsibility for anything he does.

He signed multiple SF86s and lied about his meetings with the Russians. He blamed it on staffers time and again.

He signed the SF86. The document makes it clear that lying or omitting information is punishable under 18 USC 1001 (which is a felony of up to 5 years in prison).

With the NYS crimes, he’s looking at multiple counts over multiple years. That’s potentially a lot of jail time as an official whose name is associated with all those claims.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:17:53am
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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:19:17am

re: #280 DodgerFan1988

From the article:

“He’s just 9. I assume he’s seen this on video games or TV,” Cantrell said. “I don’t know if he knew exactly what this would do. I can’t answer that. I do know it’s a tragedy.”

I wonder what game they were fighting over?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:24:55am

re: #285 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Reminds me of my fundy ex-wife attributing her new husband’s survival to divine intervention (until he croaked last year) while my money, health and alleged youthful appearance are all the products of sin, corruption and a supposed affiliation with Mexican gun-runners.

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I step back and look at him as expressing a basic human need. Attention. Look at me! Listen to me!

He knows that if he mentions the name of a celebrity who is topic of the recent buzz that he will get people to listen to what he says, and that his is overriding motivation.
I think this is behind an awful lot of this sort of trash talking about the recently deceased.

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danarchy  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:24:59am

re: #233 dangerman

the cows were coerced with feed and didnt move a whole lot
the sheep look practiced or trained and moved around by the dogs

both very clever
edge to the sheep
next i want to see them do thriller:

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Video

I saw a behind the scenes on this. A fair amount of it was real, but some of the more spectacular stuff was CGI.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:25:52am

re: #331 Shropshire Slasher

From the article:

I wonder what game they were fighting over?

I’m gonna call bullshit on that excuse. My kids play FPS games. I take them to violent movies all the time. My youngest didn’t even want to use the .22 his younger cousin was shooting at my father’s house.

What is really happening is that that family discusses how guns are solutions to problems: problems with the government, problems with minorities, problems with liberals, and he decided it was also a solution to a problem with his sister.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:27:12am

re: #321 jaunte

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Reminder: Christopher Wray has been FBI director for approximately a year. He was appointed by Trump, and confirmed by the current Senate.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:27:26am

re: #328 jaunte

Compare McCabe’s service to our country with Trump’s.

To Comey, McCabe, the NY FBI office, and men who voted against Hillary because she’s a woman: Misogyny has consequences beyond what women feel. Trump’s just amplifying them.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:28:33am

All the proof the NRA needs that video games kill people.
/

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:28:46am

re: #280 DodgerFan1988

The NRA: “if the 13-year-old girl had a gun she could have defended herself!”

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Jail for who the fuck’s gun it was
Loss of 2a rights forever

When the hell will these people take gun lethality seriously?

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Kragar  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:30:31am

re: #322 jaunte

Republicans all in as scumbag lawyers smear the FBI.

But hey, Blue Lives Matter, amirite?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:32:50am

re: #337 Amory Blaine

All the proof the NRA needs that video games kill people.
/

Guns level the playing-field, so that physically weaker people can get what they want.
When “what they want” is to defend themselves, that can be good. When “what they want” is to take something, that’s a problem.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:35:36am

Live stream for strong stomachsPresident Trump Delivers Remarks on Combatting the Opioid Crisis
Melania is speaking now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:35:40am

finally home from MrBWS’s doctor appointments and wondering what’s new in the WH…

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Stanley Sea  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:36:16am

re: #298 The Great Eye

I’m not having new comments pop up on the “new comments” button or filling in when I click ‘auto’. I have to refresh the page to see new comments, anyone else having this happen?

I’m fine. (Chrome)

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:38:10am

re: #334 Belafon

I’m gonna call bullshit on that excuse. My kids play FPS games. I take them to violent movies all the time. My youngest didn’t even want to use the .22 his younger cousin was shooting at my father’s house.

What is really happening is that that family discusses how guns are solutions to problems: problems with the government, problems with minorities, problems with liberals, and he decided it was also a solution to a problem with his sister.

while you may be right, 99 44/100% of this particular shooting is the fault of the gun owner

didnt control his weapon at all times
didnt store it securely or safely

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:40:27am

re: #321 jaunte

“Where is the director of the FBI? Have you heard one peep from him [about McCabe]?”

he’s probably at his desk, doing his job
what do you want him to publicly say or do?

sessions was pretty clear, and is in charge

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mmmirele  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:44:36am

re: #294 wrenchwench

That location and those self-driving cars came up in the meeting I was in this morning. Everybody but me was convinced that they’re better than the people-driven cars.

I see the Uber self driving cars (at least two, sometimes 3 or more every day just before 3:15 p.m. while driving north on Priest in Tempe (because I’m headed to the freeway). They always turn right and go East on University towards ASU. I am going to be wary, very wary from now on.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:45:01am

re: #335 sagehen

Reminder: Christopher Wray has been FBI director for approximately a year. He was appointed by Trump, and confirmed by the current Senate.

Being part of the Trump Admin means having to kiss the ring daily. They are attacking Wray precisely because Trump appointed him and he’s being insufficiently loyal.

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dangerman  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:46:19am

re: #340 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Guns level the playing-field, so that physically weaker people can get what they want.
When “what they want” is to defend themselves, that can be good. When “what they want” is to take something, that’s a problem.

when they want to take something and in almost all circumstances of ‘mass’ killings, - in addition to all the other things a gun does and a gun gets you, more than almost any other it is a cowards way to get what he wants / to win / to be in control

it creates distance/space - makes it a bit less personal
makes it much easier to wreak havoc/death, terror, whatever

it’s the coward’s way

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austin_blue  Mar 19, 2018 • 11:49:29am

re: #331 Shropshire Slasher

From the article:

I wonder what game they were fighting over?

It was a first-person shooter.

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2018 • 12:15:45pm

re: #314 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Self-driving cars are better than people driven ones. People are a menace. Weren’t you severely injured by a people-driven car?

Is there any concern for either hacking into the systems that control the cars or a glitch occurring in the programming and maybe even how they all match up with the satellite tech?

Nothing is ever perfect and some things if messed with can be way worse than what it replaced.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 19, 2018 • 12:19:02pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

The projection is strong with this one.

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2018 • 12:23:30pm

re: #335 sagehen

Reminder: Christopher Wray has been FBI director for approximately a year. He was appointed by Trump, and confirmed by the current Senate.

I know one thing. With the current path Trump is on, and allowed by the Republican Congress, I wouldn’t trust anyone’s position in either the FBI or Justice departments. Seems to be a policy of ejection as needed for cover.


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