Live Video: Protesters Scream as Senators Take Final Vote on Judge Drinky
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This Florida attorney is advocating violence to end peaceful protests. Yes, an attorney is suggesting violence against citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights. If you wish to complain to the Florida Bar, his bar card number is 567329. pic.twitter.com/oBaOwVsFsf
— Tom Cordent 🇺🇸🇺🇸 (@PoxNewsCEO) October 6, 2018
re: #1 Dave In Austin
Wait until these snowflakes realize this is preparation for Trump signaling his supporters to attack.😉
— Attorney Paul Ryan (@AttorneyRyan) October 4, 2018
Protests in the Senate.
C-SPAN does not control cameras in the Senate.— CSPAN (@cspan) October 6, 2018
The video feed is carefully framed to leave out the gallery entirely. https://t.co/dEa9jJDLYX
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 6, 2018
Those screaming animals in the Senate gallery should be tasered, handcuffed and dragged out of the building. #Kavanaugh
— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) October 6, 2018
“Civility.” https://t.co/INhAkMwTG3
— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) October 6, 2018
re: #4 jaunte
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“Free speech”. But right wingers should be able to single people out on campuses.
Stranded on the end of the last thread.
re: #384 Targetpractice
We sit here and bitch about how the GOP will do anything to retain power, and then we talk about how we’re willing to do anything to gain back that power. What a way to run a railroad.
Part of politics is having the power to advance your agenda. If you don’t have that power, you don’t get your agenda or any part of it.
Would 100 Kamala Harrises be great? Sure. You ain’t gettin’ em.
If there was a credible candidate to run in a primary who could beat Joe Manchin, great. Someone in West Virginia can run against him.
Manchin has been this way for a long time. No one has run a credible campaign from the left against him.
It would appear your argument is “well, if we’re going to run Manchin for a single seat in West Virginia, we’re all hypocrites” or something.
I suppose we could put up the DNC platform and say “no one who can meet these planks A-Z need apply.”
It’s official, Justice Rapey is now on the Supreme Court.
re: #6 Anymouse 🌹
Stranded on the end of the last thread.
Part of politics is having the power to advance your agenda. If you don’t have that power, you don’t get your agenda or any part of it.
Would 100 Kamala Harrises be great? Sure. You ain’t gettin’ em.
If there was a credible candidate to run in a primary who could beat Joe Manchin, great. Someone in West Virginia can run against him.
Manchin has been this way for a long time. No one has run a credible campaign from the left against him.
It would appear your argument is “well, if we’re going to run Manchin for a single seat in West Virginia, we’re all hypocrites” or something.
I suppose we could put up the DNC platform and say “no one who can meet these planks A-Z need apply.”
I’ll doff my Devil’s Advocate robes for a moment to say that intellectually I understand the necessity of electing men like Joe Manchin. But one day Joe’s either going to retire or drop dead. And it’s looking like when that happens, we’re gonna be propping up his corpse in his seat because we have no alternatives.
re: #1 Dave In Austin
What is it with assholes named Paul Ryan?
There it is. Dead-eyed Mike Pence announces Kavanaugh’s confirmation. https://t.co/GyQlui6yWM pic.twitter.com/NIuIHrYOUb
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 6, 2018
One big political Q, to me: does cementing a 5-4 conservative majority also cement Trump’s alliance with traditional R leaders more securely than ever, or does it open the possibility for conflict by removing the most important goal linking them?
— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) October 6, 2018
And when Roe gets killed and Obamacare gets killed we can look back on this day and see where it all went wrong.
And I worry Trump is going to get an opportunity for another SCOTUS justice before his term ends.
re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg
And when Roe gets killed and Obamacare gets killed we can look back on this day and see where it all went wrong.
Hey now, Susan Collins assured us that Kavanaugh would vote to protect those! You’re not callin’ her a liar, are ya?!
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re: #15 Targetpractice
Hey now, Susan Collins assured us that Kavanaugh would vote to protect those! You’re not callin’ her a liar, are ya?!
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No, I’m calling her a naive stupid fool. There’s a difference.
So I haven’t looked at the votes yet, did Lisa vote “present” to show how brave she is to the Natives back home?
re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg
And when Roe gets killed and Obamacare gets killed we can look back on this day and see where it all went wrong.
It went wrong when Goldwater ran for President.
re: #8 Targetpractice
I’ll doff my Devil’s Advocate robes for a moment to say that intellectually I understand the necessity of electing men like Joe Manchin. But one day Joe’s either going to retire or drop dead. And it’s looking like when that happens, we’re gonna be propping up his corpse in his seat because we have no alternatives.
Bredeson in TN is the model - a moderate to conservative democrat who gets the respect of the people in his state by not being overtly partisan, and doing a good job in a prominent statewide position. And he MIGHT pull it off.
But that’ll be harder and harder to find, because everything is so partisan these days, so it’ll be harder for a Democrat, no matter how moderate, to get a foothold in a lot of red states.
Supreme Court Nominations Senate Votes:
Kavanaugh: 50-48
Gorsuch 54-45
Garland n/a
Kagan 63-37
Sotomayor 68-31
Alito 58-42
Miers n/a
Roberts 78-22
Breyer 87-9
Ginsburg 96-3
Thomas 52-48— David P Gelles (@gelles) October 6, 2018
re: #18 Anymouse 🌹
It went wrong when Goldwater ran for President.
Well if you want to go that far back, Nixon as Ike’s running mate.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 6, 2018
Chief Justice John Roberts has been sitting on ‘more than a dozen’ judicial complaints against Kavanaugh for three weeks: reporthttps://t.co/J7t2gjVz6M
— Raw Story (@RawStory) October 6, 2018
re: #16 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.
No, I’m calling her a naive stupid fool. There’s a difference.
I’ll call her a liar then. Between the Wingnut Welfare circuit and her lobbyist husband, she has a revenue stream or two to protect.
That wretched display on the Senate floor she made was to justify a vote she was always going to make.
The same goes for her deal with Mitch McConnell over the ACA vote. She knows exactly how many Mainers would be hurt by repealing that bill, and she also knows Mitch McConnell’s assurances were vapourware.
re: #24 Single-handed sailor
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And now begins the slow trickle of revelations about this nomination that Republicans have either sat on or squashed for weeks in order to ram this nomination through. We’ve got front-row seats to the end of Susan Collins’ political career.
I would love to have someone other than Manchin in that seat. I would also love to have anyone with a D behind their name as a senator here in Texas, even if they acted like Manchin.
Once again with the WW2 analogies, I’m sure neither Roosevelt or Churchill wanted to work with Stalin, but they had to.
So how long before the Civil and Voting Rights Acts vanish?
re: #28 SteelPH
So how long before the Civil and Voting Rights Acts vanish?
Just in time for Donny’s reelection.
re: #23 HappyWarrior
Well we tried.
On to the next thing. I recommend we talk about Trump’s tax evasion from now on.
re: #29 Targetpractice
Just in time for Donny’s
reelectioncoronation.
re: #30 Belafon
On to the next thing. I recommend we talk about Trump’s tax evasion from now on.
Definitely. Not giving up in the slightest. Today was a good canvassing day.
Our country was imperfectly created by extremely flawed white men as an experiment in self-governing. In the intervening two centuries, liberal Americans struggled to overcome the legacy of their flaws and imperfections to make our country a better place. Today, extremely corrupt and power-hungry white men (with an assist from some collaborating white women) are burning it all down. They are fine that our government of the people, by the people, for the people, will perish from the earth. The party of Lincoln indeed. Today, I mourn. Tomorrow, I fight.
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This also explains why the religious right has been so vocal in its support of nominal Catholic and admitted drunk Kavanaugh, and why the allegations of sexual assault had no effect on them. The absolute subjugation of women, to the level of chattel, is an essential goal of Dominionism. For Dominionists, the allegations and a powerful man’s ability to defy them are not reasons to oppose him, but to support him.
re: #17 Targetpractice
So I haven’t looked at the votes yet, did Lisa vote “present” to show how brave she is to the Natives back home?
Murkowski voted “present.” She’s trying to play the concerned senator who could not bring herself to vote “yes” (kayfabe) and I hope her supporters see that.
newsweek.com
(each senators’ vote)
My senators (Sasse-R-Concerned and Fischer-R-Cypher) both voted “yes” as expected.
re: #20 jaunte
Supreme Court Nominations Senate Votes:
Kavanaugh: 50-48
Gorsuch 54-45
Garland n/a
Kagan 63-37
Sotomayor 68-31
Alito 58-42
Miers n/a
Roberts 78-22
Breyer 87-9
Ginsburg 96-3
Thomas 52-48
Hmm, what do those two have in common? I can’t quite place it.
re: #23 HappyWarrior
Well we tried.
Some Democrats really left it out there, showed some fight. The battle is lost but the war is far from over.
Hirono, Harris, Booker, Blumenthal, Whitehouse, Durbin, Feinstein, some others.
Kavanaugh will continue to come under scrutiny as he should be. Any other information that comes out with further taint his and the GOP’s Plow it Through legacy.
re: #16 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.
No, I’m calling her a naive stupid fool. There’s a difference.
You are too kind.
re: #39 BigPapa
Some Democrats really left it out there, showed some fight. The battle is lost but the war is far from over.
Hirono, Harris, Booker, Blumenthal, Whitehouse, Durbin, Feinstein, some others.
Kavanaugh will continue to come under scrutiny as he should be. Any other information that comes out with further taint his and the GOP’s Plow it Through legacy.
Oh yes, Booker and Harris, both of whom are possible candidates definitely raised their profiles to me. And the others you mentioned all did great. I’m not upset at the Senate Dems at all save Manchin.
re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg
And when Roe gets killed and Obamacare gets killed we can look back on this day and see where it all went wrong.
It went wrong when Trump was elected President. Once that happened, Roe and the ACA were doomed.
How soon will it be until all the anti-choice goons file their lawsuits against Roe v Wade?
re: #40 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.
Tou are too kind.
Sorry. The bar for “douchecanoe” keeps getting raised these days.
#TBT pic.twitter.com/QxDYW5VVTE
— Charlotte Abotsi (@CharlotteAbotsi) October 4, 2018
fuck this, teenagers on twitter dot com have conducted more thorough investigations than the fbi
— chrysanthemum tran (@chrystran) October 4, 2018
re: #43 GlutenFreeJesus
How soon will it be until all the anti-choice goons file their lawsuits against Roe v Wade?
More likely they’ll keep chipping at the edges, making Roe a dead letter.
“See, libs were histrionic, we never intended to repeal Roe. Make sure you register your new foetus with a Social Security Number by week twelve.”
re: #43 GlutenFreeJesus
How soon will it be until all the anti-choice goons file their lawsuits against Roe v Wade?
Actually it will work more like this: states like Texas will add restrictions, PP and others will challenge them, and the Supreme Court will use them to add additional restrictions, if not declare it unconstitutional.
re: #2 Dave In Austin
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Nice to see Ryan can threaten people and Twitter gives him a pass.
I stand up to Falwell Jr and get suspended until tomorrow.
I try to report Ryan and Twitter blocked me for reporting too many thugs and Russian trolls…
re: #43 GlutenFreeJesus
How soon will it be until all the anti-choice goons file their lawsuits against Roe v Wade?
I’m sure they are being filed by e-mail right now.
But don’t worry folks, when the ACA, Roe, Brown and Loving cases among others are killed, we done still got Jay-Zuss!
re: #47 Belafon
Actually it will work more like this: states like Texas will add restrictions, PP and others will challenge them, and the Supreme Court will use them to add additional restrictions, if not declare it unconstitutional.
I dunno. I always assumed it’d be a lawsuit from a man claiming that his girlfriend/wife/side piece had an abortion without his consent.
re: #45 Single-handed sailor
That part about “throw the FBI in the trash” is exactly what Trump wants, for the populace to lose faith in the FBI.
His administration limited their investigation, and the GOP only allowed a few days. They own that, not Wray or the FBI.
Maybe I’m naive, but I can’t not see the Voting Rights Act being the first thing to go down for the sake of the GOP maintaining their power.
re: #51 Anymouse 🌹
This is something I missed,how is it that the FBI can be bossed around and told what to investigate by the White House?
re: #48 Joe Bacon 🌹
Nice to see Ryan can threaten people and Twitter gives him a pass.
I stand up to Falwell Jr and get suspended until tomorrow.
I try to report Ryan and Twitter blocked me for reporting too many thugs and Russian trolls…
You’re a report-bot. /s
The Republicans now have what they’ve dreamed of ever since FDR broke the GOP majority in 1932. They got total control on everything back.
Conservatives excel at the long game. We don’t.
re: #55 Joe Bacon 🌹
The Republicans now have what they’ve dreamed of ever since FDR broke the GOP majority in 1932. They got total control on everything back.
Conservatives excel at the long game. We don’t.
We take the process that our forefathers and mothers bled for granted.
re: #53 A Mom Anon
This is something I missed,how is it that the FBI can be bossed around and told what to investigate by the White House?
Because Kavanaugh was not under criminal investigation. His background check was being updated, and the White House controls background checks for its nominees who require them.
re: #55 Joe Bacon 🌹
The Republicans now have what they’ve dreamed of ever since FDR broke the GOP majority in 1932. They got total control on everything back.
Conservatives excel at the long game. We don’t.
True, they sold whatever scrap of soul they might have possessed and are now hated by everyone who isn’t indoctrinated by the blood of Jesus, but that’s a small price to pay, I’m sure.
re: #55 Joe Bacon 🌹
The Republicans now have what they’ve dreamed of ever since FDR broke the GOP majority in 1932. They got total control on everything back.
Conservatives excel at the long game. We don’t.
Losers that aren’t destroyed generally do. Most good people assume that it will never return.
Take that deep breath, maybe a rest or break. When you come back ready, the mid terms are THE thing. There is no power over SCOTUS more strong than a united legislature. They won, they will gloat and get lazy. Our people are scared, angry, motivated for years worth of energy.
re: #61 Unshaken Defiance
Take that deep breath, maybe a rest or break. When you come back ready, the mid terms are THE thing. There is no power over SCOTUS more strong than a united legislature. They won, they will gloat and get lazy. Our people are scared, angry, motivated for years worth of energy.
Yup.
In the meantime, if I lose on November 6 to my Nazi-adjacent neighbour, I may need to leave town. (That would mean the majority here are fine with him over me.)
re: #63 Anymouse 🌹
Yup.
In the meantime, if I lose on November 6 to my Nazi-adjacent neighbour, I may need to leave town. (That would mean the majority here are fine with him over me.)
You won’t.
re: #64 Belafon
You wont.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I hope that’s true.
If nothing else, I have the endorsement of my Republican chairwoman.
Remember: the GOP WANTS us to feel like what we do doesn’t matter.
They want us to feel like our voices aren’t heard. They want us demoralized. Show them the exact opposite. They’ve ignored the voices of survivors at their peril. Be angry, take them down and FIGHT.— Celeste P. (@Celeste_pewter) October 6, 2018
re: #66 Interesting Times
That’s why Cornyn and others are trying to blame the mob for their childish behavior.
I checked my status. It’s good to go. One thing to remember-always vote in every election, special, local. It keeps you active and on the rolls because they figure you are engaged enough to actually vote against them. I plan to early vote on the 10th.
I have a discussion board called “Between Elections” and am working on a set of Civics Cards. So far I have all 50 states, 45 Presidents, the Constitution, Federal Agencies and territories. If this thing works, I can hand someone a very useful set of cards, brightly colored and easy to use.
I give the fuck up.
I get reading, stop and do other stuff and then pick back up and get into it and the damn thread has changed.
So I CL’d the last thread big time. Why, because I was enjoying that conversation.
Not my day…I go away in shame.
I don’t think the Trump Tax scam is going to go away so fast. If true, he, and his family owe millions in back taxes. The IRS ain’t going to do shit until we have a Democrat in the white house, but the state of New York can (and SHOULD). It’s not only an FU to trump but an opportunity to collect $.
re: #58 Anymouse 🌹
Ok, that makes slightly more sense. This process is a mess, at least with the GOP in charge
re: #69 ObserverArt
This is my thing, lol. Things move so fast here sometimes I just read and try to keep up without saying much because it’s moving too fast.
re: #72 A Mom Anon
This is my thing, lol. Things move so fast here sometimes I just read and try to keep up without saying much because it’s moving too fast.
Seriously. I look away for 3 minutes and there’s like 40 replies. :P
We get the whole package today—Bart O’Kavs will be sworn in immediately. No time to waste!
re: #68 CarolJ
I checked my status. It’s good to go. One thing to remember-always vote in every election, special, local. It keeps you active and on the rolls because they figure you are engaged enough to actually vote against them. I plan to early vote on the 10th.
I have a discussion board called “Between Elections” and am working on a set of Civics Cards. So far I have all 50 states, 45 Presidents, the Constitution, Federal Agencies and territories. If this thing works, I can hand someone a very useful set of cards, brightly colored and easy to use.
I am registered according to the state’s Website. That said, I haven’t gotten my mail ballot yet; if I don’t get it by Tuesday I’ll be visiting the county clerk.
re: #77 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.
Fuck how it looks - we’ve got to get him on the court before Donald J. Trump’s cases make it up to the Supreme Court.
Court justices are normally sworn in within a few days of being confirmed, but some have been sworn in on the same day in the past.
In Kavanaugh’s case, any hearing he doesn’t start in on means he can’t rule on it. Past precedent shows that if a pending justice is about to hit the court and a case is heard which is a 4-4 tie, the case is reheard with the new justice who was confirmed. (That most recently came up as a possibility with Samuel Alito, but none of the four cases he missed were tie votes so that point was moot.)
The optics are pretty bad though for the GOP here. Hopefully a few more people see that and say “yup, pulling the lever for the Dems.”
re: #70 I Would Prefer Not To
I don’t think the Trump Tax scam is going to go away so fast. If true, he, and his family owe millions in back taxes. The IRS ain’t going to do shit until we have a Democrat in the white house, but the state of New York can (and SHOULD). It’s not only an FU to trump but an opportunity to collect $.
my understanding has always been there is no statute of limitations on tax fraud (irs)
im not sure about NYS tax law
or what the rules might be on reopening a closed estate which has distributed all its assets
eta: did i really write ‘statue’?
re: #79 I Would Prefer Not To
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All set to vote, churched up on the sample ballot, ID ready, making a beeline for the courthouse on October 22, the first day of early voting.
Ironically, if dominionists, lepertarians, and other medieval throwbacks had their way, I would still be eligible to vote in Lubbock County, since I am a white male and own property there.
This all goes back to the biggest mistake in American history - that we didn’t treat the South as harshly for their treason as the English did the Jacobites. Should have hanged many and broken up every plantation into the 40 acre plots , given one to each freedman along with a mule and a rifle.
re: #83 William Lewis
This all goes back to the biggest mistake in American history - that we didn’t treat the South as harshly for their treason as the English did the Jacobites. Should have hanged many and broken up every plantation into the 40 acre plots , given one to each freedman along with a mule and a rifle.
“Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the innocent.”
re: #80 dangerman
my understanding has always been there is no statute of limitations on tax fraud (irs)
im not sure about NYS tax law
or what the rules might be on reopening a closed estate which has distributed all its assets
eta: did i really write ‘statue’?
I think that some of these scams lasted for years, so who knows, but I’m sure that the state of NY is going to look into.
re: #75 SteelPH
Not even trying to hide how badly they wanna fuck us all over.
I hope they get so full of themselves their backers like the Evangelicals and some of their online people start immediately calling for a turnover of Roe V. Wade, Obergefell and other pet targets.
I know they shouldn’t because politically that would be stupid before an election.
But stupid rules that side. So, why not?
I think a discussion of that so soon in the run up to a critical election would make the histrionics of the Kavanaugh show the Republicans put on pale in comparison to what we just saw.
They would have to tamp that talk down and act that is not the case at all, which would be real tough in the atmosphere they have just created.
Maybe Susan Collins can be the lead spokeswoman to tell America there is nothing at all to worry about.
Yes, let’s keep voting for the fake Democrats that willingly sold out women and POC for decades. What could possibly go wrong? 🙄
— Letitia Gutierrez (@LejanATX) October 6, 2018
*headdesk*
re: #83 William Lewis
This all goes back to the biggest mistake in American history - that we didn’t treat the South as harshly for their treason as the English did the Jacobites. Should have hanged many and broken up every plantation into the 40 acre plots , given one to each freedman along with a mule and a rifle.
As a Southerner, I concur that Reconstruction didn’t go nearly far enough and was killed off way too soon in as brazen an act of political skullduggery as anything going on with the Republicans right now, Kavanaugh included.
re: #85 I Would Prefer Not To
I think that some of these scams lasted for years, so who knows, but I’m sure that the state of NY is going to look into.
Neither New York nor the IRS have a statute of limitations on tax evasion.
However, the longer the time between the alleged crime and its prosecution, the more difficult securing a conviction is.
The IRS doesn’t generally chase them down more than five years or so, though they have pursued some pretty old ones. Frequently the IRS will settle for a fraction of the whole amount, because that’s cheaper and less time-consuming than pursuing a conviction it might not obtain.
New York (city and state) are both looking into the allegations now to see if they can pursue them with a hope of success.
re: #83 William Lewis
This all goes back to the biggest mistake in American history - that we didn’t treat the South as harshly for their treason as the English did the Jacobites. Should have hanged many and broken up every plantation into the 40 acre plots , given one to each freedman along with a mule and a rifle.
The greatest efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism, so that the precipitators of the rebellion might go down in history hand in hand with the defenders of the government, thus wiping out with their own hands their own stains; a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery, when it is considered that life and property—justly forfeited by the laws of the country, of war, and of nations, through the magnanimity of the government and people—was not exacted from them.
Here we go again, with the standard they made up.
McConnel will NOT commit to not pushing a Supreme Court nominee through the Senate should there be an opening after the 2020 primaries start. Sen. Graham has made that commitment citing the Garland standard.
— Sam Stein (@samstein) October 6, 2018
re: #91 Anymouse 🌹
Here we go again, with the standard they made up.
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That they won’t follow through with anyways.
re: #92 SteelPH
That they won’t follow through with anyways.
You betcha if RBG retired they would be all over Trump to nominate a replacement by dinnertime.
re: #91 Anymouse 🌹
Here we go again, with the standard they made up.
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Games. it’s all games now.
That will be McConnell’s legacy; how he gamed the system for his big daddys.
anyway here’s a koala almost passing out in bliss while receiving a head rub 🐨 pic.twitter.com/DtcWQF0q5F
— Ian Laking (@IHLaking) October 6, 2018
re: #91 Anymouse 🌹
Here we go again, with the standard they made up.
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Well hopefully by that point, what McConnell wants will be mute since he’ll be the minority leader and fighting for his own survival by then.
re: #87 SteelPH
It’s disappointing how Manchin voted, but his vote was never going to change it. But there’s something with him to consider: When it comes time to vote for the makeup of the Senate, he’s always voted with Democrats. Would you rather have 51-49 with him or 50-50 without him?
— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) October 6, 2018
I seriously get the frustration with conserva-Dems. I’ve also been living in a Republican state for the last 20 years, which was Democratic before that only because Democrats were conservative and so having a Democrat representing me would be awesome.
re: #52 SteelPH
Maybe I’m naive, but I can’t not see the Voting Rights Act being the first thing to go down for the sake of the GOP maintaining their power.
It would be a smart strategic move.
It would also, of course, be evil.
re: #97 Belafon
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I seriously get the frustration with conserva-Dems. I’ve also been living in a Republican state for the last 20 years, which was Democratic before that only because Democrats were conservative and so having a Democrat representing me would be awesome.
I think what frustrates people is that he has a sizable lead in the polls and he could have easily explained his vote. He took the easy way out. I’m glad that he votes correctly on health care and tax cuts but it would be nice if Manchin would realize that he doesn’t always have to give something to his party’s conservative voters.
re: #94 ObserverArt
Games. it’s all games now.
That will be McConnell’s legacy; how he gamed the system for his big daddys.
To McConnell and the rest of the complicit GOPers:
re: #99 HappyWarrior
I think what frustrates people is that he has a sizable lead in the polls and he could have easily explained his vote. He took the easy way out. I’m glad that he votes correctly on health care and tax cuts but it would be nice if Manchin would realize that he doesn’t always have to give something to his party’s conservative voters.
What is your thinking if the reason he has a big lead in the polls is because he is exactly what he is, that combination of conservative southern state Democrat of old that also pisses off them liberals up in New York.
I think we are making a mistake not actually thinking of why Joe Manchin has been successful in our want to make the Democrats successful and more pure.
I tried making that point in my CL’d string at the end of the last thread. Joe wins his seat because he does strattle the fence enough to keep everyone happy. That is why they love him. I bet many in the state are damn proud their senator stood up to those mean DC ultra-liberals.
re: #102 ObserverArt
What is your thinking if the reason he has a big lead in the polls is because he is exactly what he is, that combination of conservative southern state Democrat of old that also pisses off them liberals up in New York.
I think we are making a mistake not actually thinking of why Joe Manchin has been successful in our want to make the Democrats successful and more pure.
I tried making that point in my CL’d string at the end of the last thread. Joe wins his seat because he does strattle the fence enough to keep everyone happy. That is why they love him. I bet many in the state are damn proud their senator stood up to those mean DC ultra-liberals.
I just think we have to find that line where we just want anyone wearing our label and our principles. I think the issues with Kavanaugh went beyond partisan politics which is why I take much more issue with Manchin voting for Kavanaugh than I do for Gorsuch. And frankly I’m tired of the red staters and their bullshit attitude when it comes to D.C. and the “establishment.” Grassley has been in Washington since the Ford years as has Hatch. Ruby red voters don’t “hate” Washington, they hate liberals. Some of us are insiders that have been here a long time but others including two of the Senators that grilled Kavanaugh the hardest are freshmen.
re: #103 HappyWarrior
I just think we have to find that line where we just want anyone wearing our label and our principles. I think the issues with Kavanaugh went beyond partisan politics which is why I take much more issue with Manchin voting for Kavanaugh than I do for Gorsuch. And frankly I’m tired of the red staters and their bullshit attitude when it comes to D.C. and the “establishment.” Grassley has been in Washington since the Ford years as has Hatch. Ruby red voters don’t “hate” Washington, they hate liberals. Some of us are insiders that have been here a long time but others including two of the Senators that grilled Kavanaugh the hardest are freshmen.
Your thinking is great, but may not be taking in enough reality to make it applicable. We all want pure Democrats.
Simply…West Virginia doesn’t. Run a pure Democrat and good chance you lose. Now you have a fence sitting Republican at best.
This is where political idealism does not work on the actual people that will be voting.
Right next door you have Kentucky. Look at how they vote. It’s a damn miracle you have Joe Manchin in a state with similar thinking. Will your strategy work in Kentucky? You might have the candidate…can you get them voted in?
Same thinking got Trump Ohio. Ohio Appalachia showed up and took it to the big cities like hasn’t happened in years.
re: #104 ObserverArt
Your thinking is great, but may not be taking in enough reality to make it applicable. We all want pure Democrats.
Simply…West Virginia doesn’t. Run a pure Democrat and good chance you lose. Now you have a fence sitting Republican at best.
This is where political idealism does not work on the actual people that will be voting.
Right next door you have Kentucky. Look at how they vote. It’s a damn miracle you have Joe Manchin in a state with similar thinking. Will your strategy work in Kentucky? You might have the candidate…can you get them voted in?
Same thinking got Trump Ohio. Ohio Appalachia showed up and took it to the big cities like hasn’t happened in years.
Exactly, which is why the Democrats need to return to a 50-state strategy that takes into account that party members/supporters aren’t a monolithic entity nationwide.
What plays in NYC or SF doesn’t necessarily play in Peoria (or Huntington or Vidalia or Redding or wherever).
re: #104 ObserverArt
Your thinking is great, but may not be taking in enough reality to make it applicable. We all want pure Democrats.
Simply…West Virginia doesn’t. Run a pure Democrat and good chance you lose. Now you have a fence sitting Republican at best.
This is where political idealism does not work on the actual people that will be voting.
Right next door you have Kentucky. Look at how they vote. It’s a damn miracle you have Joe Manchin in a state with similar thinking. Will your strategy work in Kentucky? You might have the candidate…can you get them voted in?
Same thinking got Trump Ohio. Ohio Appalachia showed up and took it to the big cities like hasn’t happened in years.
I’m not really looking for purity. I’m looking for a Democrat.
re: #105 TedStriker
Exactly, which is why the Democrats need to return to a 50-state strategy that takes into account that party members/supporters aren’t a monolithic entity nationwide.
What plays in NYC or SF doesn’t necessarily play in Peoria (or Huntington or Vidalia or Redding or wherever).
I get that guys. I just really think the issues with Kavanaugh really aren’t big city or small town issues, they’re issues that everyone should take issue with: unethical, hyperpatisan, abuser of women, etc.
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