The Bob Cesca Podcast: There Are Four Lights

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Shawn Sukumar Attorney at Law:

There Are Four Lights — NSFW! Despair can be fun; Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here as we discuss the metastatic cancer infecting the country and how it will be at least 500 days before it can be treated; The Chuck Todd interview normalized Trump; Crickets from Mueller and Congress; We have a new press secretary; Prison camps filled with children; Trump says Jean Carroll isn’t his type; With music by Richard Turgeon; and much more.

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133 comments

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:30:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:34:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:39:34pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Your father was responsible for torture. STFU you hack witch.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:41:33pm

Concerns about student loan debt is the main thing keeping me from going back to school. I currently have two Associates Degrees and would love to get a Bachelors, but it seems quite out of reach out at the moment.

In the meantime, I am going to keep pursuing a writing career.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:43:01pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

That is one thing that is stopping from getting a Master’s degree in English.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:47:23pm

From the previous thread:

re: #154 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Or maybe some programmer loves Smart cars?

LOL

re: #155 steve_davis

yes, but the reformation didn’t start because of that. Luther may well have been married to a nun, but he was a thoroughly decent guy who found indulgences repugnant, for good reason.

Well, except for that whole anti-Semitism thing… .

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:51:22pm

Cl’d, but like most of the beloved CL’s actual posts it’s important.
re: #95 sagehen

Pretty sure the manufacturers of Zyklon-B used that exact same rationale.

Zyklon-B

Prior to World War II (manufacturer) Degesch derived most of its Zyklon B profits from overseas sales, particularly in the United States, where it was produced under license by Roessler & Hasslacher prior to 1931 and by American Cyanamid from 1931 to 1943. From 1929, the United States Public Health Service used Zyklon B to fumigate freight trains and clothes of Mexican immigrants entering the United States. (Emphasis added)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:51:30pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Conservatives are her best publicists.

There was no Holocaust comparison (except conservatives equating “concentration camp” with “Holocaust”).

I ran into a douchecanoe on Wonkette making the same comparison, saying these aren’t extermination camps, therefore they can’t be concentration camps.

Nazi extermination camps were concentration camps. They concentrated people in one place for extermination.

Conservatives are really trying anything they can to avoid the concentration camp comparison. It’s almost as if conservatives are disingenuous.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:51:32pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

From the previous thread:

LOL

Well, except for that whole anti-Semitism thing… .

Pardon my ignorance, but why did that become such a focus? It was there, and there was the “Christ-killer” stuff already floating about. Or did they just sort of adopt it from the Roman Catholic Church intact as it was? And the RCC later sort of shied away from it officially post-Inquisition?

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:53:48pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

From the previous thread:

LOL

Well, except for that whole anti-Semitism thing… .

Yeah, I’m not sure that a close exam of Luther results in him being anything to emulate. I mean after all, who cares about indulgences if the entire thing is a scam? If somebody breaks away from Reverend Copeland and forms a reform grift, is that worthy of admiration?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:54:37pm

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2019 • 2:58:51pm

re: #11 Barefoot Grin

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:01:20pm

CL’d:

re: #136 ThomasLite

Hey, don’t get me wrong - I know most anything to do with relics (certainly before the late 17th century or so) is deeply, deeply problematic. I’m not arguing with that at all.

Just saying that somebody arguing just how problematic RC relics can be should watch out with the whole True Cross thing, since some of those claims are just as much invented out of thin air as the provenance of the relatively reasonable amount of fragments is.
And since you have no problem coming up with at least two much, much better examples, I really don’t think we disagree here?.>>

Lots of saints. Lots of finger bones.

But Jesus’ foreskin?

Now THAT’S a relic!

And if you rub it, it transforms into a holy coin purse! Bonus points!

(insert old mohel joke here…)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:02:18pm

re: #9 Feline Fearless Leader

Pardon my ignorance, but why did that become such a focus? It was there, and there was the “Christ-killer” stuff already floating about. Or did they just sort of adopt it from the Roman Catholic Church intact as it was? And the RCC later sort of shied away from it officially post-Inquisition?

I don’t know why it became such a focus. I’m confident in assuming Luther inherited it from his former Catholic upbringing.

That said, he made it worse, arguing for things like seizing Jewish property, execution of Jews for being Jewish, &c.

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:02:31pm

re: #11 Barefoot Grin

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I graduated along with about 15,000 kids from a single university. Hardly one of the few. With the exception of Ivy League where you go for the connections, I think your thought is correct. Be somewhat picky about the first job, and then work hard and be ready to grab your opportunities. A lot of it is, and has always been, luck.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:03:18pm

Boeing Has So Many Grounded 737 Max Planes Waiting to Be Fixed They’re Parking Them in the Employee Parking Lot

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:03:39pm

Fortunately, due to a combination of this state’s lottery scholarship, Pell grants, and other scholarships, our daughter was able to get her bachelor’s degree without having to take out a student loan. Her older brother managed without taking out a loan until his final year … and that was a small one that we were quickly paid off.

But we were lucky and privileged, and with the spouse working in academia for a couple of decades, we had an advantage in navigating the system that most people lack.

Far from being all “We got ours, fuck you,” like some people, we’re all for more affordable tuition and fees that won’t put young people in horrible debt for 20-30 years of more.

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:03:47pm

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know why it became such a focus. I’m confident in assuming Luther inherited it from his former Catholic upbringing.

That said, he made it worse, arguing for things like seizing Jewish property, execution of Jews for being Jewish, &c.

Luther was a rapid opponent of a peasants revolt, and advocated murdering the peasants without mercy.
Something we should all try to emulate.

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:04:46pm

re: #18 Old Liberal

Luther was a rapid opponent of a peasants revolt, and advocated murdering the peasants without mercy.
Something we should all try to emulate.

Rabid. but rapid as well.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:06:06pm

This is such a raw distillation of the contempt of the fundamentalist grifter class’ attitude toward governance and accountability and reason: ‘you’re just a factotum’

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:07:28pm

re: #20 Barefoot Grin

This is such a raw distillation of the contempt of the fundamentalist grifter class’ attitude toward governance and accountability and reason: ‘you’re just a factotum’

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And what are you Jerry Jr other than a guy who inherited his kook father’s empire of bigotry?

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:07:41pm

re: #20 Barefoot Grin

This is such a raw distillation of the contempt of the fundamentalist grifter class’ attitude toward governance and accountability and reason: ‘you’re just a factotum’

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“Have you ever had to pay a poolboy over a million dollars to keep his mouth shut?”

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:09:03pm

re: #22 Old Liberal

“Have you ever had to pay a poolboy over a million dollars to keep his mouth shut?”

This and the thread that follows is my favorite:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:10:49pm
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KGxvi  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:11:52pm

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

That is one thing that is stopping from getting a Master’s degree in English.

A lot of programs, at least with respect to MFA programs, offer student teaching positions or research assistant positions that end up covering the cost of the degree. Like with a creative writing MFA you end up teaching some intro level creative writing classes, or you help a professor with whatever project they have, and your tuition is covered.

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:11:59pm

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Cl’d, but like most of the beloved CL’s actual posts it’s important.

Zyklon-B

Flea, tick, and lice eradication. The Nazis also used it for what they considered vermin.

Which they kept in concentration camps.

Oh, funny fact (as in funny “eww” as opposed to funny “ha ha”). We had our own little Japanese/German/Mexican-Japanese concentration camp during WWII in Crystal City in SW Texas. It was one square block in a town of (maybe) 4,000 people at the time.

It held over 3,300 people at one point.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:12:00pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She doesn’t want hamburders from McDonalds. Or to be in the same room as a giant shit.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:12:37pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

[Photographer Neil Burnell (@njburnell) captures the enchanted forests of Wistman’s Wood, Dartmoor, England]

Oh, how cool! I am reading a book set there right now!

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:16:55pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

What would anyone be excited to be entertained by a rapist?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:17:12pm

re: #25 KGxvi

Very true. Another problem I have is that I do not test very well. That is why I went to Community College of Philadelphia first then transferred to La Salle University. My SAT scores were awful.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:18:14pm
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Cheechako  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:22:51pm

Speaking of the high cost of education, I’ve been mulling over a possible solution. I haven’t completely fleshed it out yet. I’ve been thinking of a process where college loans would be paid for by dedicating the Federal Income Tax paid by a college loan debtor to be directly applied to paying off the student loan. Once the loan is repaid the taxes paid would revert back to the general Treasury. Assuming the earning power would increase over time, the income to the Govt would proportionally increase.

What do you think?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:23:11pm

re: #26 austin_blue

Flea, tick, and lice eradication. The Nazis also used it for what they considered vermin.

Which they kept in concentration camps.

Oh, funny fact (as in funny “eww” as opposed to funny “ha ha”). We had our own little Japanese/German/Mexican-Japanese concentration camp during WWII in Crystal City in SW Texas. It was one square block in a town of (maybe) 4,000 people at the time.

It held over 3,300 people at one point.

Only about 8% of the wartime production of Zyklon B was sold to the SS, and some of that was used legitimately, so the manufacturers could plausibly plead ignorance. It was proven in court that the distributors did know, however. The Elbe was the dividing line between their territories. The western guy spent 2 1/2 years in prison. Mr. East-of-the-Elbe, whose domain encompassed the major death camps, was hanged.

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:26:21pm

re: #29 jaunte

What would anyone be excited to be entertained by a rapist?

Especially pretty, fit young women.

They’d be “his type”. The fucking pig.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:29:03pm

re: #32 Cheechako

unusual possibility but one I would not immediately dismiss out of hand.

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Citizen K  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:29:13pm

….so….political terrorism and threats win? Republicans get to tease armed sedition because of a cap and trade bill, and win?

I dunno what I should have expected, I guess. Republicans just basically own this entire fucking country top to bottom.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:30:30pm

re: #20 Barefoot Grin

This is such a raw distillation of the contempt of the fundamentalist grifter class’ attitude toward governance and accountability and reason: ‘you’re just a factotum’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:31:53pm
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MsJ  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:32:39pm

The Shape of Water FTW. LMAO at the replies.

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451_Montag  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:33:19pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I’ve seen that. Without the mist though.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:33:59pm

To Eric the Fruit Bat: Thanks for the tip of being able to return amazon purchases to Kohl’s. There is another reason to return amazon purchases to the amazon hub; I got my refund within a couple of hours instead of waiting days for it.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:35:22pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blasts in the same way that calling someone a poopyhead is blasting them. Cheney has not foundation to stand on for her screaches.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:36:36pm

Basic Qualifications:
Experience writing for an established entertainment outlet, website or publication.
Intimate knowledge of the Marvel brand, its characters, its history and the Marvel Universe across multiple media.
Working knowledge of the entertainment landscape across movies and television.
Extra special points for expertise/experience in the video games industry.
Knowledge and expertise in web-based publishing, content management systems and content creation tools, including Adobe Photoshop.
Experience in working with a distributed team in multiple locations, as well as working with remote freelancers.
Ability to multi-task and work on a number of projects at once.

Required Education
BA / BS degree or relevant work experience.

Preferred Education
A degree in Communications, Marketing or English is preferred.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:38:34pm

Richard “too much diversity and privilege talk” Cohen is still Richard Fucking Cohen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:39:33pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

GAAAAAH

And that’s why I wish I had a Bachelors.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:42:07pm

I have no idea why this idiot still has a perch at the Washington Post.

Some Richard Cohen backstory

Cohen has become extremely well known over the years, for example, for his not-so-woke views on race:

Back in 1986, he wrote a column for the Post defending the right of shopkeepers to refuse to let young black men into their stores.
He followed up on the same theme decades later, writing in the wake of Trayvon Martin’s death at the hands of George Zimmerman that racial profiling is good: “If young black males are your shooters, then it ought to be young black males whom the police stop and frisk.”
Later that year, he discovered that being enslaved was bad after watching 12 Years a Slave but counterbalanced that with a column observing that “people with conventional views must repress a gag reflex when considering the mayor-elect of New York — a white man married to a black woman and with two biracial children.”

There was also the time back in 1998 when he allegedly sexually harassed Devon Spurgeon, at the time a 23-year-old editorial aide. He has obviously continued to write his column for the past 20 years, and he and his powerful friends in journalism cast him as the victim in this situation.

vox.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:42:49pm

You know, Jesus might have never run a payroll, but he was a boss when it came to supply chain management and logistics. I mean how ELSE could He have pulled off feeding five thousand people with a few loaves of bread and some fish?

He was also a solid recruiter or so I’m told…

/

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ThomasLite  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:43:08pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

GAAAAAH

And that’s why I wish I had a Bachelors.

BA / BS degree *OR* relevant work experience.

No chance on that front either?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:43:44pm

re: #20 Barefoot Grin

This is such a raw distillation of the contempt of the fundamentalist grifter class’ attitude toward governance and accountability and reason: ‘you’re just a factotum’

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Unlike Jerry the Lesser, I really did build a multi-million dollar organization from scratch. Falwell is a gibbering idiot and a fascist. In particular, business owners who portray making payroll as a great challenge are usually incompetent.
If you have money coming in, you have payroll. If things are slow, you can still make payroll as a routine consequence of good planning.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:44:19pm

re: #26 austin_blue

Flea, tick, and lice eradication. The Nazis also used it for what they considered vermin.

Which they kept in concentration camps.

Oh, funny fact (as in funny “eww” as opposed to funny “ha ha”). We had our own little Japanese/German/Mexican-Japanese concentration camp during WWII in Crystal City in SW Texas. It was one square block in a town of (maybe) 4,000 people at the time.

It held over 3,300 people at one point.

Nebraska housed refugees from the government’s concentration camp programme. People fled here to escape being put in camps. (Nebraska has a long history of welcoming refugees, even today.)

During WW2 Boys Town Housed Japanese Americans Escaping Forced Internment (goes to the Omaha World-Herald)

Those homes are now in ruins and being removed. However, they have a history beyond what Boys Town was founded for.

But hidden in their past is another story. Decades ago, shortly after they were finished, these homes would come to represent something important — security, comfort, welcome — for a group of people who had all three taken from them.

During World War II, some of these houses sheltered Japanese-Americans escaping forced internment on the West Coast. They came here at the urging of legendary Boys Town founder Father Edward Flanagan, who found them jobs on campus or helped them establish new lives in cities outside of Omaha.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:44:31pm

re: #48 ThomasLite

No chance on that front either?

Hmmm. Possibly…I wish I knew what the salary range was. Moving to Cali would be a colossal change for me.

But working at Marvel would be cool as hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:44:47pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:48:03pm

re: #37 Scottish Dragon

[Who are you @drmoore ? Have you ever made a payroll? Have you ever built an organization of any type from scratch? What gives you authority to speak on any issue? I’m being serious. You’re nothing but an employee- a bureaucrat.]

Who are you @Drmoore? Have you or your wife ever shagged a pool boy?

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Citizen K  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:49:54pm

Sigh……

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:50:09pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:51:48pm

re: #55 MsJ

And my ward leader still wants to know why I will not give out my e-mail address.

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:52:20pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

GAAAAAH

And that’s why I wish I had a Bachelors.

If you have all the other skills, apply.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:53:34pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did she blast Trump when he issued a statement about the Holocaust that didn’t mention Jews? Or is this just selective outrage?

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:54:08pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Can’t imagine the guy getting The Medal for defending himself against an assailant wearing an armoire.

But really, this just shows that Drumpf *didn’t read the prepared statement* prior to the presentation of the CMH.

Really? Couldn’t be bothered? And he assumes the written citation (by experts in writing official government documents, for the CMH, no less) was fucked up because he misinterpreted meaning of the text?

Fuck this maroon. Fuck him right up the ass.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:56:13pm

re: #57 MsJ

If you have all the other skills, apply.

I really, REALLY want to but I just don’t know how I’d be able to move to Cali right now.

But maybe if Disney would give me some relocation assistance…

My heart is SCREAMING “Do it!”

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:56:26pm

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmmm. Possibly…I wish I knew what the salary range was. Moving to Cali would be a colossal change for me.

But working at Marvel would be cool as hell.

I wonder why the former person is no longer there……………………………………they quit??????????????????? Fired????????????????????? Promoted????????????????? Dream job, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Every job I ever got, within two months I knew exactly why the previous person wasn’t there…………..and it wasn’t their performance. It was a hellhole.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:56:56pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:58:02pm

re: #61 Old Liberal

Maybe there was no previous person. Maybe they’re expanding.

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:58:57pm

re: #63 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe there was no previous person. Maybe they’re expanding.

Could be. Just saying, check it out. Should be easy to do.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:58:58pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wardrobe malfunction.

(Hey, somebody had to say it.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 3:59:02pm

re: #59 austin_blue

Can’t imagine the guy getting The Medal for defending himself against an assailant wearing an armoire.

But really, this just shows that Drumpf *didn’t read the prepared statement* prior to the presentation of the CMH.

Really? Couldn’t be bothered? And he assumes the written citation (by experts in writing official government documents, for the CMH, no less) was fucked up because he misinterpreted meaning of the text?

Fuck this maroon. Fuck him right up the ass.

Not even with someone else’s penis. /s

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:00:15pm

re: #46 Scottish Dragon

White male. That’s why he still has a job despite his blatant racism and sexism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:01:45pm
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Varek Raith  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:04:06pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

I think I’d die if I tried.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:04:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:04:44pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

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Yeah bullshit. How many times have gay kids been told the Bible says you’re going to hell.

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:08:00pm

This thread rocks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:08:59pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Yeah bullshit. How many times have gay kids been told the Bible says you’re going to hell.

What Jesus had to say about Teh Geyh:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:09:09pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

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A lot of RWNJs seem to have a problem with this whole cause/effect thing. They deny that there is a correlation between lax gun laws and school shootings, or between antivaxx and polio and measles outbreaks, or between supply-side voodoo and the collapse of the middle class.

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:09:13pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

I really, REALLY want to but I just don’t know how I’d be able to move to Cali right now.

But maybe if Disney would give me some relocation assistance…

My heart is SCREAMING “Do it!”

You can always say no. Use it as interviewing practice and if you get to the next stage, use it as negotiation practice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:09:22pm

O_o

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:12:26pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

A horsewhip? OMG I would not want to work for someone like that.

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:14:32pm

re: #77 PhillyPretzel

A horsewhip? OMG I would not want to work for someone like that.

Something ain’t right. He sounds like Trump’s kinda guy.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:14:43pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

She’s a wanna-be Lahren.

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:15:03pm

re: #77 PhillyPretzel

A horsewhip? OMG I would not want to work for someone like that.

I think the horsewhip is simply protocol

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:15:23pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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O_o

A horsewhip?

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:16:57pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

A horsewhip?

I think it is protocol to bring your own hara kiri kit to Japan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:18:51pm
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Varek Raith  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:19:05pm

re: #82 Old Liberal

I think it is protocol to bring your own hara kiri kit to Japan.

Ouch!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:21:56pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Love how confident these legal numbnuts are.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:23:07pm

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmmm. Possibly…I wish I knew what the salary range was. Moving to Cali would be a colossal change for me.

But working at Marvel would be cool as hell.

Make sure you’re sitting down the first time you look at housing prices.

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danarchy  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:24:52pm

re: #32 Cheechako

Speaking of the high cost of education, I’ve been mulling over a possible solution. I haven’t completely fleshed it out yet. I’ve been thinking of a process where college loans would be paid for by dedicating the Federal Income Tax paid by a college loan debtor to be directly applied to paying off the student loan. Once the loan is repaid the taxes paid would revert back to the general Treasury. Assuming the earning power would increase over time, the income to the Govt would proportionally increase.

What do you think?

That doesn’t address cost it only addresses payment. Costs, especially at state schools need to come down. With costs increasing so much faster than inflation you have to ask why. In Massachusetts all government employee salaries are public there is actually a database online you can go search. Of the top 50 salaries in the state 49 are in the UMASS system and the last one is the state medical examiner. there are more than 40 different chancelor positions getting over $200,000 a year. The governor only gets like $160000.

The state school system is where aging state legislators go in their golden years to pad their pensions before retiring, usually after a “nationwide search” to fill the position.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:25:12pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

A horsewhip? Really? #notnormal

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steve_davis  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:25:40pm

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

That is one thing that is stopping from getting a Master’s degree in English.

depends on where you go and what you do. I got through my English masters with no debt, burning through some savings and then a teaching assistantship. I haven’t made a fortune off it, but it’s kept me alive.

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:27:12pm

re: #25 KGxvi

A lot of programs, at least with respect to MFA programs, offer student teaching positions or research assistant positions that end up covering the cost of the degree. Like with a creative writing MFA you end up teaching some intro level creative writing classes, or you help a professor with whatever project they have, and your tuition is covered.

Not anymore.

Under the Trump Tax Scam bill, that “covered tuition” is now taxable income.

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steve_davis  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:28:08pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

From the previous thread:

LOL

Well, except for that whole anti-Semitism thing… .

He was a product of his times. No better, no worse than anyone else. Washington owned slaves. Jesus didn’t have a damned thing to say about slavery. They were still thoroughly decent men.

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:31:01pm

re: #91 steve_davis

He was a product of his times. No better, no worse than anyone else. Washington owned slaves. Jesus didn’t have a damned thing to say about slavery. They were still thoroughly decent men.

Then Luther was no better than nor worse than the pope at that time. I agree.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:32:03pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t know anything about her but I like her:

EXCLUSIVE: Trump says it’s not appropriate for Megan Rapinoe to protest during national anthem

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:32:33pm

re: #74 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A lot of RWNJs seem to have a problem with this whole cause/effect thing. They deny that there is a correlation between lax gun laws and school shootings, or between antivaxx and polio and measles outbreaks, or between supply-side voodoo and the collapse of the middle class.

Well, on the issue of horse and sparrow economics, voodoo economics, or supply side economics, collapsing the middle class is the point of conservatism. The middle class is undeserving of its stolen wealth taken from those who should have all the power and money.

On guns they think they are going to rise up against the undeserving as well.

On the last two they are just lying. (And stupid since they seem to think there’s no such thing as a liberal veteran or gun owner.)

There are plenty of moonbat antivaxxers as well (see reddit.com for more details on that).

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:34:12pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She is so fucking great!

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steve_davis  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:35:08pm

re: #91 steve_davis

He was a product of his times. No better, no worse than anyone else. Washington owned slaves. Jesus didn’t have a damned thing to say about slavery. They were still thoroughly decent men.

Well, okay, thoroughly decent may be taking things a bit too far. Washington was decent. Luther was maybe slightly above average, for his time.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:40:28pm

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

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I know it is beneath her dignity, but it would be kind of cool if, walking up the Capitol steps, AOC turned to Liz and said, “Go fuck yourself.”

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:44:06pm

re: #87 danarchy

In Massachusetts all government employee salaries are public there is actually a database online you can go search. Of the top 50 salaries in the state 49 are in the UMASS system and the last one is the state medical examiner. there are more than 40 different chancelor positions getting over $200,000 a year. The governor only gets like $160000.

In something like 35 states, the highest-paid government employee is the State University’s football coach.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:44:32pm

re: #96 steve_davis

Allegedly, Jesus was God.

How hard is it to say “don’t own people as property” or “don’t kill gays” if you’re God?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:44:33pm

re: #93 Belafon

I don’t know anything about her but I like her:

EXCLUSIVE: Trump says it’s not appropriate for Megan Rapinoe to protest during national anthem

Says the guy who takes Putin over our IC.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:45:48pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:46:09pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Says the guy who takes Putin over our IC.

Trump is not the arbiter of appropriate. He just wants his culture war.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:49:39pm

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

Trump is not the arbiter of appropriate. He just wants his culture war.

Just wants to stir up his cult against someone.

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:50:14pm

re: #99 Anymouse 🌹

Allegedly, Jesus was God.

How hard is it to say “don’t own people as property” or “don’t kill gays” if you’re God?

As you know, Anymouse, the man reportedly preached for three years. If we were to add up all the quotes in the book, they wouldn’t take a half a day to say them. So to say what he said or did not say, what he said and wasn’t recorded, and what he didn’t say and was recorded, is impossible. Unless of course he repeated the same stuff every four hours for three years and had a court reporter disciple. In which case, I stand corrected.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:54:30pm

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

Trump is not the arbiter of appropriate. He just wants his culture war.

And his war against brown Catholics and Muslims.

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Jay C  Jun 25, 2019 • 4:56:06pm

re: #91 steve_davis

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

From the previous thread:

LOL

Well, except for that whole anti-Semitism thing… .

He was a product of his times. No better, no worse than anyone else. Washington owned slaves. Jesus didn’t have a damned thing to say about slavery. They were still thoroughly decent men.

Though I’m not quite sure about Luther. I recall reading once that once he had launched the Reformation, he started a sort of outreach program to the Jews: along the lines that they would be more receptive to the notion of “Christianity” once it was freed from the framework of the institutional (Catholic) Church. However, they didn’t bite: and Luther reverted to the standard “spawn of Satan” memes in pretty quick order….

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:03:45pm

re: #106 Jay C

Though I’m not quite sure about Luther. I recall reading once that once he had launched the Reformation, he started a sort of outreach program to the Jews: along the lines that they would be more receptive to the notion of “Christianity” once it was freed from the framework of the institutional (Catholic) Church. However, they didn’t bite: and Luther reverted to the standard “spawn of Satan” memes in pretty quick order….

I was raised in the Lutheran church. I was well aware of how Luther was aggrandized and the pope demonized. I was carefully taught about all the wonderful things that would never have happened if Luther had not broken the catholic church. (The Renaissance, democracy, the modern nation state, ad nauseum) although they never never took credit for the following 500 years of war and torture that continues to this day. My take, not as a scholar, is that Luther was borderline sane; that he so feared hell and found that his human urges could not be tamed, finally solved his problem by writing his version of a religion. Which he felt freed him from his torturous compulsions. It nonetheless did not free him from all the inconsistencies inherent in any system of mythology. It just substituted ones that he could live with. Calvin did the same thing. Place and circumstance elevated Luther above the other marginally insane (including the popes) so that it was in the interest of the rich and powerful to promote his new mythology. Others were not so lucky and were tortured and murdered by fire.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:04:28pm

re: #106 Jay C

Though I’m not quite sure about Luther. I recall reading once that once he had launched the Reformation, he started a sort of outreach program to the Jews: along the lines that they would be more receptive to the notion of “Christianity” once it was freed from the framework of the institutional (Catholic) Church. However, they didn’t bite: and Luther reverted to the standard “spawn of Satan” memes in pretty quick order….

Doesn’t surprise me. I wonder how much of the Antisemitism was religious inspired and how much was independent of that.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:08:44pm

re: #107 Old Liberal

I was raised in the Lutheran church. I was well aware of how Luther was aggrandized and the pope demonized. I was carefully taught about all the wonderful things that would never have happened if Luther had not broken the catholic church. (The Renaissance, democracy, the modern nation state, ad nauseum) although they never never took credit for the following 500 years of war and torture that continues to this day. My take, not as a scholar, is that Luther was borderline sane; that he so feared hell and found that his human urges could not be tamed, finally solved his problem by writing his version of a religion. Which he felt freed him from his torturous compulsions. It nonetheless did not free him from all the inconsistencies inherent in any system of mythology. It just substituted ones that he could live with. Calvin did the same thing. Place and circumstance elevated Luther above the other marginally insane (including the popes) so that it was in the interest of the rich and powerful to promote his new mythology. Others were not so lucky and were tortured and murdered by fire.

Threw his ink pot at Satan!

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:09:51pm

re: #109 Barefoot Grin

Threw his ink pot at Satan!

Well, now, that seems somewhat sane, doesn’t it. That’ll show ol’ lucifer

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:12:16pm

I have been greatly fearing something like this.

Boy in Utah had typhoid fever after time in border detention camp

SALT LAKE CITY — A migrant boy who had been detained at a U.S. Customs and Border Protection camp came to Utah with typhoid fever last month, health officials confirmed Tuesday.

On May 22, the Utah Department of Health was notified the boy in Salt Lake County was taken to a hospital with a severe case of typhoid soon after arriving in Utah, said state epidemiologist Angela Dunn.

Health care providers are required to report typhoid to the state health department, which worked with Salt Lake County to notify anyone who had come in contact with the boy and to learn if any Utah residents might have been exposed, Dunn said.

“We quickly realized that was a very limited number of people because (he) was hospitalized very quickly upon arriving to Utah,” Dunn explained.

deseretnews.com

More at the link, but imagine one kid with typhoid fever in the Clint, Texas facility, with 350 kids crammed where there should only be 104 adults.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:12:48pm

re: #110 Old Liberal

Well, now, that seems somewhat sane, doesn’t it. That’ll show ol’ lucifer

Then went on to blame a cabal of Jews for subverting Christianity….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:15:59pm
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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:18:50pm

re: #112 Barefoot Grin

Then went on to blame a cabal of Jews for subverting Christianity….

This is where we say “well nobody’s perfect”. Anyway, when it comes to religion, like history, it all comes down to who is writing it for what audience.

Maybe I’m an anti-semite, but it actually bothers me more that Luther contributed to the murder of more than 100,000 peasants in the revolt of 1524 writing:
‘Therefore, let everyone who can, smite, slay, and stab, secretly or openly, remembering that nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful, or devilish than a rebel. It is just as when one must kill a mad dog; if you do not strike him, he will strike you, and a whole land with you’.
Whataguy!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:25:46pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:27:23pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Border Patrol’s been rejecting donations of soap and other supplies to the child detention centers. Why?

Because despite all the recent reports on the filthy conditions at the centers, CBP claims they aren’t running low on supplies at all ]

Now, if there happen to be some spare souls, a couple consciences, a gallon or two of caring…. I hear they’ve plum run out.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:29:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:30:12pm

re: #104 Old Liberal

As you know, Anymouse, the man reportedly preached for three years. If we were to add up all the quotes in the book, they wouldn’t take a half a day to say them. So to say what he said or did not say, what he said and wasn’t recorded, and what he didn’t say and was recorded, is impossible. Unless of course he repeated the same stuff every four hours for three years and had a court reporter disciple. In which case, I stand corrected.

LOL … Well, St. Genesius is one patron saint of secretaries, as is Catharine of Alexandria. They were too late to apply for the job though.

Catharine doubles as patron saint of librarians, though my wife does not venerate her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:32:57pm
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Jay C  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:36:04pm

re: #117 Dread Pirate

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Normally, I’d take anything I read on RT with a grain 55-gallon drum of salt, but their analysis seems spot-on in this case.

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:42:07pm

re: #120 Jay C

Normally, I’d take anything I read on RT with a grain 55-gallon drum of salt, but their analysis seems spot-on in this case.

It’s RT. Pass. Full pass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:42:51pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:50:02pm

re: #114 Old Liberal

This is where we say “well nobody’s perfect”. Anyway, when it comes to religion, like history, it all comes down to who is writing it for what audience.

Maybe I’m an anti-semite, but it actually bothers me more that Luther contributed to the murder of more than 100,000 peasants in the revolt of 1524 writing:
‘Therefore, let everyone who can, smite, slay, and stab, secretly or openly, remembering that nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful, or devilish than a rebel. It is just as when one must kill a mad dog; if you do not strike him, he will strike you, and a whole land with you’.
Whataguy!

Yes, the revolts unleashed by him are not widely known. Also, there were Martin Luthers before Martin Luther, but they had the unfortunate fate of bad timing. One was burnt at the stake posthumously, IIRC.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 5:52:28pm

Thread, twenty-two tweets plus a PS.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:01:48pm

Water water everywhere.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:02:58pm

re: #80 Old Liberal

I think the horsewhip is simply protocol

That and a bag of Cheetoes as rewards might be the only way to get the Orange Thing to accept and understand some of the necessary protocol beats.

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:03:58pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

Water water everywhere.

[Embedded content]

Mike Pompeo says she’ll just move. Problem solved.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:04:06pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Concerns about student loan debt is the main thing keeping me from going back to school. I currently have two Associates Degrees and would love to get a Bachelors, but it seems quite out of reach out at the moment.

In the meantime, I am going to keep pursuing a writing career.

A writing career, unless directed at producing academic or very technical works, shouldn’t require a college degree, but creativity, perseverance, readability and a concept that attracts public interest.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:06:33pm

Sad day. Loved Yonder Mountain String Band, saw him sit in with Umphrey’s McGee a few times too.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:10:44pm

CL’ed.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:12:48pm

re: #130 The Vicious Babushka

Welcome home! I so envy all your family adventures, thanks for sharing with us.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:13:23pm

re: #130 The Vicious Babushka

Yay! Welcome back from your trek. I hope you enjoyed Pennsylvania.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:42:02pm

re: #91 steve_davis

He was a product of his times. No better, no worse than anyone else. Washington owned slaves. Jesus didn’t have a damned thing to say about slavery. They were still thoroughly decent men.

“How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”
Samuel Johnson, 1775


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