LIVE: House Impeachment Inquiry Hearing - Sondland Continues Blowing Up the Trump Gang
Here’s a second thread to continue discussing this pizzazz-filled day of testimony.
Here’s a second thread to continue discussing this pizzazz-filled day of testimony.
Shorter Nunes: I’m not obstruction of justice! You’re obstruction of justice!
Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.
I almost feel sorry for the GOP that Devin Nunes is Adam Schiff’s counterpart. But I really don’t. Not at all.
q: “why didnt all this simply go through amb yovanovich?”
and gasp - someone running for president got smeared
re: #3 Charles Johnson
Money can’t buy brains. But it can buy you an ambassadorship.
“I’ll try to not use all that time as a courtesy to you” (and you’re fucking killing us!)
Wait…does this mean that @DevinNunes is accidentally acknowledging that this act is an obstruction of justice, thus a violation by the State Department? https://t.co/UIjw4nckiQ
— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) November 20, 2019
re: #4 HappyWarrior
I feel sorry for his mom and his cow.
re: #3 Charles Johnson
Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.
He and Nunes talking is the Battle of the Network Jackasses.
he keeps referencing “all three of us”
there’s your ‘parallel’
again- if this was all on the up and up , why didnt this simply go through the ukranian ambassador’s office?
Nunes is going off about how Trump doesn’t like foreign aid, doesn’t like spending on NATO.
So yeah, we’re getting a laundry list of how Trump is fucking up our foreign policy and national security? Yeah, that’s it.
Nunes is done mercifully quickly - because he had nothing, and couldn’t do anything with the testimony provided.
Talk to Rudy…. Rudy was Trump’s guy, and if you want to deal with Ukraine, you’d need to coordinate there.
But everything goes and flows from Trump.
So, bottom line - Trump is implicated, Rudy’s implicated. Pompeo, Perry, and Pence are all implicated.
And Castor has nothing other than reminding everyone that there’s all these folks involved in this criminal conspiracy.
re: #7 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
“I’ll try to not use all that time as a courtesy to you” (and you’re fucking killing us!)
cause i cant fill up 33 minutes
re: #3 Charles Johnson
Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.
So was Sammy the Bull, but he still helped put Gotti’s ass in prison.
Sondland again reminds everyone that there’s a call that State wont provide details for.
re: #15 NO SMOCKING GUN!
So was Sammy the Bull, but he still helped put Gotti’s ass in prison.
It’s not good people that will solely bring Trump down.
in this call that castor is referring to trump says no quid pro quo AND THEN GOES ON TO SAY just make sure zelinsky does this for us
they keep leaving out the second part
Thank you, Steve, for giving us an idea that Holmes would appear credible.
i wish sondland would stop shaking his head
re: #18 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
“Tell Zelinsky to do the right thing.”
“What’s that; be specific.”
Cantor is SO bad at this. https://t.co/LiOYIxB3RG pic.twitter.com/olA6WaD3uI
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
Why does Trump crayon in all-caps but small cases “i”?
That picture, from The Post’s Matt McClain, is really terrific. https://t.co/FH1xjnLe1w pic.twitter.com/h7jeT9OPoW
— Philip Bump (@pbump) November 20, 2019
Sondland has a really Tim Curry-esque grin going on here.
In other news, looking more and more like a THIRD Israeli election in less than a year is on its way:
BREAKING: @gantzbe informed @PresidentRuvi that he failed to form a government
— Gil Hoffman (@Gil_Hoffman) November 20, 2019
re: #3 Charles Johnson
Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.
He’s a major donor to Trump. Bought a position of power from Trump. As crooked as Trump. But he’s not going under the bus. Or should I say, he’s preempting the possibility that he gets thrown under the bus.
Right now, he’s driving the bus.
“Why didn’t Shitty Schiff let us blow the whistleblower’s cover?”
DRINK!
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re: #25 bratwurst
My understanding is that Rivlin would open it up to any member of knesset to form a govt and if that fails within 30 days, then new elections are called.
The shitshow there continues.
His golf trips could have bought an entire squadron of new A10 fighters.
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) November 20, 2019
re: #27 Mike Lamb
Thanks Dev, fantastic interjection there.
What? Everything the wb had to say was hearsay — no direct knowledge whatsoever. I thought that the GOP was against hearsay evidence.
re: #31 Scottish Dragon
Are they back to complaining about the cost of the investigations?
“Ken Starr just said on Fox News that it’s time for the Republican Senators to visit the White House and let Trump know that it’s over. Wow.” —@RadioGuyChris
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) November 20, 2019
Exactly. Imagine how bad things would be if the 2018 blue wave hadn’t happened. https://t.co/vt2DpjfthI
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
re: #3 Charles Johnson
Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.
Some are calling him a “true believer”. This is not accurate, he cancelled a fundraiser for Trump after he shat upon the gold star Khan family in the summer of 2016. He only came back on board once Trump had won, and he took a chance to buy an ambassadorship by forking over a million dollars to Trump’s slushy inauguration fund.
He is doing the right thing today, but he is clearly an opportunist jackass who previously lied under oath.
LMAO every time Nunes tries to get crafty and out the whistleblower. He’s a real Machiavelli, that one.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
re: #36 Charles Johnson
That’s why every election matters. This isn’t where we are if the R’s still control the House.
re: #32 BeachDem
Castor looks completely flummoxed.
Because he is. These guys have been totally thrown off what little game they might have had, and all they’ve got left is niggling over dates and times and conspiracy theories.
re: #38 Charles Johnson
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LMAO every time Nunes tries to get crafty and out the whistleblower. He’s a real Machiavelli, that one.
He’s more like a mac ‘n cheesy.
re: #38 Charles Johnson
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The funny part was how clearly self-pleased he was with his interjection.
re: #38 Charles Johnson
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) November 20, 2019
re: #37 bratwurst
Some are calling him a “true believer”. This is not accurate, he cancelled a fundraiser for Trump after he shat upon the gold star Khan family in the summer of 2016. He only came back on board once Trump had won, and he took a chance to buy an ambassadorship by forking over a million dollars to Trump’s slushy inauguration fund.
He is doing the right thing today, but he is clearly an opportunist jackass who previously lied under oath.
He’s a cynical bastard like pretty much everyone who works for Trump.
Welp. When it rains it pours.
Israeli media now reporting that Israel’s attorney general will announce his Netanyahu indictment decision TOMORROW. Which could seriously impact the next 21 days of last-ditch Israeli coalition wrangling, and could lead to Likud ousting Bibi to avoid a third election. https://t.co/AmBoxnk6la
— (((Yair Rosenberg))) (@Yair_Rosenberg) November 20, 2019
Obviously I’m glad that Sondland is testifying against Trump. But it was never going to be good guys alone that will bring down Trump. One can appreciate what Sondland is doing and still think he’s an ass.
re: #35 Scottish Dragon
sounds hard to believe. That Starr would say that on Faux.
re: #35 Scottish Dragon
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How To Tell When @realDonaldTrump Is Having A Bad Day:
1. It’s said that he committed the crime of bribery.
2. & impeachment articles should be drawn up.
3. & it’s said by Ken Starr.
4. On Fox News. https://t.co/vrsGid6Ogk— Eric Wolfson (@EricWolfson) November 20, 2019
Udderly incompetent. He milked everything dry.
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) November 20, 2019
re: #48 HappyWarrior
Obviously I’m glad that Sondland is testifying against Trump. But it was never going to be good guys alone that will bring down Trump. One can appreciate what Sondland is doing and still think he’s an ass.
It’s a crafty spin, to make it look like Sondland is some sort of crypto-never-Trumper, even after donating a million to his inauguration and accepting an ambassadorship from him…
He needed notes for this. https://t.co/9gelGcCrZL
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
re: #49 Sir John Barron
sounds hard to believe. That Starr would say that on Faux.
I posted the video.
re: #47 The Pie Overlord!
And like that, the race to see who gets indicted first just had Bibi jump out to a lead, and you know that everyone in Israel is wondering what took so long, and why this didn’t come sooner, and whether this is going to be politicially motivated to get a coalition govt in place without resorting to yet another election that doesn’t result in a plurality party that can form a coalition govt.
trump has the best people. pic.twitter.com/CPgcG21iR9
— the shame whisperer (@andyliotta) November 20, 2019
re: #1 Ace Rothstein
FUCK TRUMP.
No, thanks. But I also can’t say outloud what should be really done to Trump…
And in other news…
Prince Andrew stepping back from royal duties for “foreseeable future” following Epstein scandal https://t.co/7oIsoJX30z
— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) November 20, 2019
re: #61 makeitstop
And in other news…
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Quick, how can we blame Meaghan Markle for this!
re: #51 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Just to clarify, Ken Starr said that Schiff’s position is that Sondland provided evidence the President committed bribery. Starr didn’t say that was his own position.
Okay Starr DID NOT say Trump was guilty of bribery. I have the video coming up. He clearly said that is Schiff’s position rather than his.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 20, 2019
re: #61 makeitstop
Updating his hotel itineraries I presume.
re: #56 Charles Johnson
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You know this is going into a comic speech bubble from the Crimson Skull…
— Alex Blagg (@alexblagg) November 20, 2019
re: #60 Nyet
No, thanks. But I also can’t say outloud what should be really done to Trump…
I’ll settle for life in prison. 15 minutes in a room with the women he raped, them armed with rusty knives, would be good too.
lol, methinks Sconland doesn’t really need to take a flight back to Brussels. He might have before his testimony started…
Jesus, that clip of Trump screaming. Dude’s gonna pop a vein.
re: #48 HappyWarrior
Obviously I’m glad that Sondland is testifying against Trump. But it was never going to be good guys alone that will bring down Trump. One can appreciate what Sondland is doing and still think he’s an ass.
Yep. Bad guys are seldom brought down by the testimony of good guys — it’s usually a bad guy who’s turned state evidence.
This is what happens when you appoint someone with no credentials to an important position. Ambassador to Luxembourg would have been a more appropriate assignment especially if you didn’t try to make him simultaneously in “charge” of Ukraine policy.
re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White
Just to clarify, Ken Starr said that Schiff’s position is that Sondland provided evidence the President committed bribery. Starr didn’t say that was his own position.
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Kind of like “asking for a friend.” Wish more Fox News analysts had the guts to speak frankly like Napolitano does.
re: #72 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Kind of like “asking for a friend.” Wish more Fox News analysts hadvthe guts to speak frankly like Napolitano does.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it.”
Two Fox chyrons I saw getting lunch:
First:
Sondland: Around August 11 we were talking about investigations and the 2016 election.
Second:
Trump: Sondland I didn’t really know very well but he seems like a nice guy.
The last one made me laught out loud.
re: #71 Hecuba’s daughter
Yep. Bad guys are seldom brought down by the testimony of good guys — it’s usually a bad guy who’s turned state evidence.
This is what happens when you appoint someone with no credentials to an important position. Ambassador to Luxembourg would have been a more appropriate assignment especially if you didn’t try to make him simultaneously in “charge” of Ukraine policy.
No credentialed diplomat would’ve cooperated in Trump’s drug deal.
re: #72 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Kind of like “asking for a friend.” Wish more Fox News analysts hadvthe guts to speak frankly like Napolitano does.
Isn’t Napolitano the only Fox attorney interested in preserving his credibility among serious lawyers?
re: #69 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)
lol, methinks Sconland doesn’t really need to take a flight back to Brussels. He might have before his testimony started…
Hey, they might have completed work on the second kitchen and he has to sign off—you don’t know!
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re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter
Isn’t Napolitano the only Fox attorney interested in preserving his credibility among serious lawyers?
I don’t know; but from what I’ve seen he hasn’t tried to spin or sugarcoat Trump’s drug deal in anyway.
re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter
Isn’t Napolitano the only Fox attorney interested in preserving his credibility among serious lawyers?
I think so.
re: #79 NO SMOCKING GUN!
I don’t know; but from what I’ve seen he hasn’t tried to spin or sugarcoat Trump’s drug deal in anyway.
He is the only one on FOX who seems actually independent.
re: #51 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Didn’t someone say in the last thread that Starr was saying that’s Schiff’s position, or was that about something else?
“No comment” from John Bolton’s camp when I asked whether he would reconsider his decision not to voluntarily testify.
— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) November 20, 2019
Bolton’s belief that he could stay above the fray and hint that he could deliver the knockout blow if only the court rules he has to testify is taking a real beating. He’s going to find himself thoroughly underbussed* and if he DOESN’T testify the bus will run over him, back up over him, and run him over again.
re: #52 Amory Blaine
Wherever there’s corruption, we’ll be there (committing it).
corruption: we’re behind it!!!
I gots to go a bit. Later lizards. From yesterday……Imagine today…..at 30,000 feet.
Scenes from The Bunker. https://t.co/UDBLKLJlxf
— mescalero09 (@nines0909) November 19, 2019
re: #70 makeitstop
What clip are you referring to?
I’m subbing in a French class right now so I can’t watch the proceedings, but I’m seeing legal folks on twitter saying this has become a disaster for Castor and the GOP….none of the GOP are prepared, lost control of questioning and Sondheim almost gleefully doing even more damage during the GOP questioning bloc
Is it actually that bad? Just saw they yielded back time to stop the bleeding even though substantial time was still on the clock.
re: #49 Sir John Barron
sounds hard to believe. That Starr would say that on Faux.
It’s very telling. We’re quickly reaching the point where no one but the dumbest and most brainwashed Republicans wants to hitch their wagon to Trumps.
I spent $1 million and all I got was this lousy impeachment and implication in multiple federal felonies.
Boo frickin’ hoo.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 20, 2019
“I’M ALWAYS IN A GOOD MOOD!” he screamed.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
re: #89 lawhawk
I spent $1 million and all I got was this lousy impeachment and implication in multiple federal felonies.
Boo frickin’ hoo.
he got his name in the history books and if he plays his cards right, he can recoup his losses
re: #87 Scottish Dragon
I’m subbing in a French class right now so I can’t watch the proceedings, but I’m seeing legal folks on twitter saying this has become a disaster for Castor and the GOP….none of the GOP are prepared, lost control of questioning and Sondheim almost gleefully doing even more damage during the GOP questioning bloc
Is it actually that bad? Just saw they yielded back time to stop the bleeding even though substantial time was still on the clock.
Yes, it’s actually that bad.
re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg
It’s very telling. We’re quickly reaching the point where no one but the dumbest and most brainwashed Republicans wants to hitch their wagon to Trumps.
Maybe, but even so there are probably 25-30 million of those….minimum.
re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg
It’s very telling. We’re quickly reaching the point where no one but the dumbest and most brainwashed Republicans wants to hitch their wagon to Trumps.
You are still talking about 35% of the country including about 45% of white women and the majority of white men.
Yes, I am saying that the entire spectrum of white supremacism held by white people in America still supports Trump because he is exactly a white supremacist intent on implementing his ideology.
Here’s thing. I’m not a bleeding heart Liberal. I track conservative on some issues.
But regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, it should be easy enough to admit Trump is a dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, heartless asshole who really doesn’t deserve to be President.
Unfortunately there’s a certain percentage of brainwashed idiots in our midst that will never get there.
re: #93 Jay C
Maybe, but even so there are probably 25-30 million of those….minimum.
I was referring to Republicans in elected office.
re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I smell book deal. /half
re: #86 Ace Rothstein
What clip are you referring to?
Can’t find it - it’s from the chopper scrum, the one where he’s reading his notes.
Screaming at the top of his lungs. It was disturbing.
re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg
Here’s thing. I’m not a bleeding heart Liberal. I track conservative on some issues.
But regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, it should be easy enough to admit Trump is a dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, heartless asshole who really doesn’t deserve to be President.
Unfortunately there’s a certain percentage of brainwashed idiots in our midst that will never get there.
Conservative makes a clear eyes case for impeachment.
I am a pro-religious liberty, pro-life, would snort Cocaine Mitch’s judicial confirmations if I could, kind of conservative.
I will explain exactly once why conservatives should support impeachment based on what is publicly available and undisputed.— Bryan Gividen (@BryanGividen) November 20, 2019
re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg
I was referring to Republicans in elected office.
there are a lot of them whose hands are tied by the kompromat the Russians are holding against them. Others are truly that ideologically hidebound, and those two groups are going to force the others into running with the herd…
re: #100 NO SMOCKING GUN!
The argument boils down to Trump is no longer able to do the job of implementing the far right agenda, and his incompetence and criminal conduct can’t be tolerated without damaging the GOP forevermore. So, dump him and bring in Pence, who can do the job with less drama.
The guy dances between right wing fever swamp conspiracy and claiming the rule of law must apply to Trump’s crimes.
And yet, these are the folks that have to be convinced to get the GOP to abandon ship re: Trumpworld.
re: #56 Charles Johnson
I first thought that a meme. Oh my, real deal. Unfit.
re: #100 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Conservative makes a clear eyes case for impeachment.
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Dude is a Trumpist who wants more and better Trump with a just a little less graft.
re: #87 Scottish Dragon
I’m subbing in a French class right now so I can’t watch the proceedings, but I’m seeing legal folks on twitter saying this has become a disaster for Castor and the GOP….none of the GOP are prepared, lost control of questioning and Sondheim almost gleefully doing even more damage during the GOP questioning bloc
Is it actually that bad? Just saw they yielded back time to stop the bleeding even though substantial time was still on the clock.
Well, yes, for “legal folks” - and anyone else with half a brain. Jeez, I’m no lawyer in any way, and I could tell Castor’s questioning of Sondland during his timeslot was a pathetic waste of minutes: fumbling. repetitive, deer-in-the-headlights lost; especially compared to Schiff and Goldman’s on-the-mark questioning. And worse, it was an obvious case of an inept “prosecutor” letting himself be completely owned by a witness. And I would add “to the detriment of his case”, except that in this instance, the GOP’s “case” is - outside of their usual barrage of cliched talking-points - astonishingly weak.
re: #105 Jay C
Well, yes, for “legal folks” - and anyone else with half a brain. Jeez, I’m no lawyer in any way, and I could tell Castor’s questioning of Sondland during his timeslot was a pathetic waste of minutes: fumbling. repetitive, deer-in-the-headlights lost; especially compared to Schiff and Goldman’s on-the-mark questioning. And worse, it was an obvious case of an inept “prosecutor” letting himself be completely owned by a witness. And I would add “to the detriment of his case”, except that in this instance, the GOP’s “case” is - outside of their usual barrage of cliched talking-points - astonishingly weak.
WELL NO ONE TOLD US WHAT SONDLAND WOULD TESTIFY ABOUT WE DIDNT HAVE TIME TO PREPARE CHEATING DEMS INQUISITION!
re: #104 Scottish Dragon
Dude is a Trumpist who wants more and better Trump with a just a little less graft.
As long as they’re following the law, then that’s how our democracy works. I mean I don’t want a lot of people in office, but if they’re going to end up there, it would be better to have people abiding by the law.
Weird how he was corruptly violating the emoluments clause the moment he took the oath of office along with continuing illegal campaign contribution hush money payments to the porn star he had sex with…so stop the pearl clutching, my dude. He was impeachable on day 1.
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) November 20, 2019
re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg
Here’s thing. I’m not a bleeding heart Liberal. I track conservative on some issues.
But regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, it should be easy enough to admit Trump is a dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, heartless asshole who really doesn’t deserve to be President.
Unfortunately there’s a certain percentage of brainwashed idiots in our midst that will never get there.
This, in itself, would not be sufficient to remove him from office; but his actual betrayal of American FP and surrendering it to Putin should have been enough last year to get rid of him. Every conservative should have been doing the Joe Walsh thing in 2018 after the Trump-Putin press conference and his behavior toward NATO and little Kim; they should have evicted him from office last year.
re: #109 Scottish Dragon
Weird how he was corruptly violating the emoluments clause the moment he took the oath of office along with continuing illegal campaign contribution hush money payments to the porn star he had sex with…so stop the pearl clutching, my dude. He was impeachable on day 1.
We did not need impeachment hearings of a Mueller Report, we just needed the political will. But don’t expect to see it in the Senate when the charges are presented to them.
re: #104 Scottish Dragon
Dude is a Trumpist who wants more and better Trump with a just a little less graft.
We don’t gotta like him. We just have to hope he or his arguments are persuasive with Republicans.
Based on an FB discussion with a Republican friend, I think a lot of them are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing “LALALALALALA!!” at the top of their lungs - “I don’t know if Trump did something impeachable. I’m tuning out the whole thing because it’s too partisan”, but one hopes at a certain point it percolates through.
I don’t know if it will. I know that exposing all this is vital to America remaining a democracy, and I know that if Trump is not removed and wins reelection we’re totally fucked. We will not recognize ourselves by 2024.
re: #110 Hecuba’s daughter
This, in itself, would not be sufficient to remove him from office; but his actual betrayal of American FP and surrendering it to Putin should have been enough last year to get rid of him. Every conservative should have been doing the Joe Walsh thing in 2018 after the Trump-Putin press conference and his behavior toward NATO and little Kim; they should have evicted him from office last year.
Agree completely. My comment was in reference to the fact that on the merits of his character and history ALONE he should never have been considered electable in the first place by any sane person, Liberal or Conservative leaning.
re: #108 Belafon
As long as they’re following the law, then that’s how our democracy works. I mean I don’t want a lot of people in office, but if they’re going to end up there, it would be better to have people abiding by the law.
Not buying it with this guy. This isn’t principle. It’s because Trump is damaged goods and he wants more Trump from someone who can deliver without making the crimes so obvious. His first tweet is the tell. He wants the child prisons, the Muslim travel bans and the Christian supremacy thing. He just wants it with more competency.
If Trump does survive an Impeachment trial in the Senate I am strongly considering writing letters to every Republican Senator who supported keeping him in office.
I know it won’t do shit in the long run, but I still feel like it’s worth it.
re: #114 Scottish Dragon
Not buying it with this guy. This isn’t principle. It’s because Trump is damaged goods and he wants more Trump from someone who can deliver without making the crimes so obvious. His first tweet is the tell. He wants the child prisons, the Muslim travel bans and the Christian supremacy thing. He just wants it with more competency.
If that is the argument it takes to get GOP senators to vote for impeachment, then I’ll just have to accept that as the best we can expect.
So I guess Ratcliffe and the guys read the yam’s notes while on break.
re: #109 Scottish Dragon
More than that, a Mrs. FBW says, NOTHING Trump does comes a surprise. The mob boss-style criminality, the servile bootlicking for dictators, especially Putin, the ease with which he can be manipulated, etc. Knowing that he would be like this, that he was manifestly unfit for office by any measure, the game has ALWAYS been to try to get him out of office before he did too much damage - damage which is now obvious in things like the Korean Peninsula, where NK is doing what KJU damn pleases and SK is signing deals with China because we’ve become an unreliable partner.
It would qualify for a hearsay exception, but Sondland testifying what he heard Trump say is classic hearsay.
Limbaugh demanded that his audience not watch Fox anymore because they’re never-Trumpers.
He sees what’s coming. https://t.co/gNyl6ZUXDH
— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) November 20, 2019
re: #122 Ace Rothstein
Limbaugh demanded that his audience not watch Fox anymore because they’re never-Trumpers.
Popcorn with extra butter!!!
re: #104 Scottish Dragon
Dude is a Trumpist who wants more and better Trump with a just a little less graft.
I agree, but he laid out in clear language why Trump should be impeached.
re: #119 Mike Lamb
It would qualify for a hearsay exception, but Sondland testifying what he heard Trump say is classic hearsay.
How so? Isn’t that being a direct witness? If I see and hear you, that isn’t hearsay.
re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg
Agree completely. My comment was in reference to the fact that on the merits of his character and history ALONE he should never have been considered electable in the first place by any sane person, Liberal or Conservative leaning.
It’s not as though the Republican establishment supported him during the primaries — it was the Republican base that saw him and said this is the guy they want. Bush flamed out early and no other candidate had any significant popular support; the establishment definitely opposed him.
re: #122 Ace Rothstein
Limbaugh demanded that his audience not watch Fox anymore because they’re never-Trumpers.
They must be part of the resistance because they are showing the hearings live?
re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White
We don’t gotta like him. We just have to hope he or his arguments are persuasive with Republicans.
Based on an FB discussion with a Republican friend, I think a lot of them are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing “LALALALALALA!!” at the top of their lungs - “I don’t know if Trump did something impeachable. I’m tuning out the whole thing because it’s too partisan”, but one hopes at a certain point it percolates through.
I don’t know if it will. I know that exposing all this is vital to America remaining a democracy, and I know that if Trump is not removed and wins reelection we’re totally fucked. We will not recognize ourselves by 2024.
By 2024 we’ll be electing Donald Jr. President-for-life with 99.44% of the vote.
re: #129 Hecuba’s daughter
It’s not as though the Republican establishment supported him during the primaries — it was the Republican base that saw him and said this is the guy they want. Bush flamed out early and no other candidate had any significant popular support; the establishment definitely opposed him.
None of the candidates wanted to turn on him because they were all hoping they could pick up his supporters once he flamed.
But he turned out to be completely flame-proof.
Once the nomination was settled, the GOP started working on a strategy to gather enough votes in the right places to guarantee an electoral win.
re: #119 Mike Lamb
It would qualify for a hearsay exception, but Sondland testifying what he heard Trump say is classic hearsay.
Trump is the defendant so it’s not hearsay; the point if the rule is to preserve the right to cross-examine witnesses against you, and you can’t cross-examine yourself.
re: #128 Scottish Dragon
How so? Isn’t that being a direct witness? If I see and hear you, that isn’t hearsay.
I’m testifying to something I heard someone else say. It’s hearsay.
re: #131 NO SMOCKING GUN!
The hell we will.
re: #133 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Trump is the defendant so it’s not hearsay; the point if the rule is to preserve the right to cross-examine witnesses against you, and you can’t cross-examine yourself.
I understand that.
Jim Jordan is going to yell/wrestle this thing to the ground.
re: #138 jaunte
Jim Jordan is going to yell/wrestle this thing to the ground.
And Sondland is laughing in his face.
re: #134 Mike Lamb
I’m testifying to something I heard someone else say. It’s hearsay.
hearsay
information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
IANAL but being a direct witness means you are substantiating what you saw and heard. Herarsay is something you got secondhand and did not personally witness.
When Gym gives up on the hair he’ll be a wingnut version of James Carville, sans the accent and 1/3 of the vocabulary. ; )
re: #141 Scottish Dragon
IANAL but being a direct witness means you are substantiating what you saw and heard. Herarsay is something you got secondhand and did not personally witness.
I am not a lawyer either but these are also my thoughts.
re: #143 lizardofid
When Gym gives up on the hair he’ll be a wingnut version of James Carville, sans the accent and 1/3 of the vocabulary. ; )
James Carville is a lot funnier too.
re: #134 Mike Lamb
I’m testifying to something I heard someone else say. It’s hearsay.
No, hearsay is an out of court statement by an unavailable witness introduced to prove the truth of the matter asserted.
haha
Jim Jordan: “Do you know what a quid pro quo is?”
Guy appointed as an ambassador after donating $1M to Trump’s inauguration: “I do.”— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) November 20, 2019
re: #131 NO SMOCKING GUN!
By 2024 we’ll be electing Donald Jr. President-for-life with 99.44% of the vote.
Only in the small portions of the country that haven’t been retaken by Constitutional forces…
So Gym. I m get in contact with a killer for hire, We come to an agreement on how much I will pay and when it should happen to kill you, cops bust us before the murder plot comes to fruition. No crime and me and the killer go free?
🎶 Sing us a song, you’re the Sondland. Like a canary might. Well the POTUS committed a felony. And old Rudy isn’t too bright. 🎶
— The Volatile Mermaid (@OhNoSheTwitnt) November 20, 2019
I AM THE FIGHTING URUK HAI!! FIND THE HALFLING!! ARRGGHHH…FIND THE HALFLING!!!
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) November 20, 2019
re: #87 Scottish Dragon
I’m subbing in a French class right now so I can’t watch the proceedings,
I just remember back to 1973 when the teachers at my middle school fought over the ginormous black and white TVs on carts, which they’d park in their rooms and turn on to the Senate Watergate hearings. We kids (ok, I was weird, I cared) didn’t care. I wonder if teachers are sneaking peeks on their phones as their students work today
— Julie Ann 🦋 (@jag618) November 20, 2019
re: #121 Teukka
OffT, but scrolled past this on reddit:
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I can’t agree, if only because our family carves the meat (always turkey for us on both Thanksgiving and Christmas, but even if we were ham people, it’d be the same) in the kitchen and only takes slices of white meat and largely-chunks of dark into the dining room on the serving platter, so it wouldn’t be impacting anyone’s appetite in the dining room.
Turner’s actually helping Democrats here - because Sondland’s got a bunch of inconsistencies in how they address Rudy, Pompeo, and what happened.
If everyone is in the loop, how are the others consistent.
Turner also wants everyone to ignore that Pompeo, Perry, and others are being prevented from testifying by Trump.
In which Gordon Sondland crashes through the fourth wall. pic.twitter.com/yrCpqm7FGe
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
While Turner shakes his sanctimonious fist, let us recall once again:
In both 2008 and 2010 Turner was listed as one of the “most corrupt members of Congress” by the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington for “enrichment of self, family, or friends” and “solicitation of gifts”
Turner’s actually effective here re: Sondland.
But the thing is that Sondland can testify to what he believed happened.
You obviously didn’t mean to say any of what you were saying in your opening statement. We’re going to give you 20 chances to say that you were really trying to exonerate the king altogether in it and that the big bad Dems are twisting your clear words.
The GOP has come to grips with the discouraging fact that Sondland isn’t helping them like they thought he would, so now they’re pounding the table and yelling at him.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
re: #159 lawhawk
Turner’s actually effective here re: Sondland.
But the thing is that Sondland can testify to what he believed happened.
Sort of effective. The idea that a person can’t take a set of circumstances and reach a conclusion is high level nonsense.
re: #157 Charles Johnson
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Hope to God that shot makes its way into the movie that gets made about all this.
Now that Republicans have decided to try to destroy Sondland, a reminder of 5 hours ago:
Nunes: “Ambassador Sondland, you are here today to be smeared. But you’ll make it through it and I appreciate your service to this country and I am sorry that you’ve had to go through this.” pic.twitter.com/kBBGxGAGNm— Jesse Lee (@JesseCharlesLee) November 20, 2019
Sondland no longer appears as if he’s out for an afternoon constitutional.
Eric Trump lectures Navy special warfare commanders on ethical code: https://t.co/pikSuGqcC4
— Matthew Waxman (@mattwaxman1) November 20, 2019
re: #164 jaunte
Well, he wasn’t WRONG—he just had no idea which side would be doing the smearing!
— (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) November 20, 2019
Cong Turner: “Did anyone to tell you to whack that guy?”
“Well the Don said take care of him”
“I’m not hearing the word whack in that sentence”— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) November 20, 2019
re: #167 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Mike Turner:
turner.house.gov
re: #152 mmmirele
I just remember back to 1973 when the teachers at my middle school fought over the ginormous black and white TVs on carts, which they’d park in their rooms and turn on to the Senate Watergate hearings. We kids (ok, I was weird, I cared) didn’t care. I wonder if teachers are sneaking peeks on their phones as their students work today
My husband is watching tweets on his Apple Watch.
re: #153 Scottish Dragon
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Eddie didn’t “win”. He was pardoned.
for something he did. the pardon is in no way a suggestion he didn’t do it. it’s forgiving him for doing it.
This new fucknut is busy spewing conspiracy theories. He’s not a lawyer, and that’s abundantly clear.
The fact is that Trump told Zelinsky of a quid pro quo.
re: #173 jaunte
What’s wrong with Ohio.
I don’t have enough time to cover it all, but on the plus side, Sherrod Brown.
The GOP’s ever shifting defense is now: unless Trump specifically said “I’m committing crimes and I order you to help,” he must be innocent.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
re: #177 jaunte
Now Mike Conaway. What’s wrong with Texas.
I’m kind of relieved there are no South Carolinians on this committee—but then, it’s the Intelligence Committee (plus Gym), so I guess it makes some sense.
re: #176 Charles Johnson
NO CRIMES! NO CRIMES! YOU’RE THE CRIME!!
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) November 20, 2019
Lighter tweeting today while we wait for the bus to stop running people over
— George Conway (@gtconway3d) November 20, 2019
“Yes, your honor, I told my friend to shoot that guy but I NEVER used the word murder!”
Article has 3 Pinocchios..
Rep Spier getting interrupted… .but the article has 3 Pinocchios.
Spier: But Trump has 5 Pinocchios daily.
Spier - you’re unable to get information because State is thwarting access.
Does the delay in aid to Ukraine and reluctance to have WH meeting benefit Russia?
It could look that way… yes.
re: #181 makeitstop
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Conway’s twitter bio:
Lawyer. Human scum who believes truth is true power. Windmill cancer survivor. And “not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up.”
Why do I get Perry acting like Grocer in Grosse Point Blank trying to distance himself from calling the feds on Martin Bank.
!!! Not entirely clear what FBI is looking for. But it’s significant.
CNN: The FBI has asked to interview the whistleblower who filed the complaint about the President’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president that ultimately led to the current House impeachment inquiry.— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) November 20, 2019
THEY LAUGHED AT ME AND MADE JOKES, BUT I PROVED BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT AND WITH GEOMETRIC LOGIC THAT A DUPLICATE KEY TO THE WARDROOM IDEBOX DID EXIST AND I’D HAVE PRODUCED THAT KEY IF THEY HADN’T PULLED THE CAINE OUT OF ACTION!!!
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) November 20, 2019
Rep “I had to look up extortion” is now arguing that we’re being mean. Obviously, that means we should all go home.
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Why on earth would Bush have ended relations with countries that didn’t support the International Criminal Court?!?
That’s an organisation that until after Obama, both sides in US expressly believe shouldn’t exist if the US has to be subject to it!
Side note: Did Stefanik get demoted? Wasn’t it her turn a couple of morons ago?
Why wouldn’t a blackmailed person admit in public, to the press, in front of their blackmailer that they’re being coerced?
And September 10th Bolton was goi6to resign. Ukrainian aid released September 11th. This is past fishy. pic.twitter.com/om3C5om21D
— C ♡ (@CJRAE_) November 20, 2019
re: #197 Chrysicat
Gah. Expressly “believed”. I would think that at this point placing the US under ICC jurisdiction has to be part of the litmus tests for a Dem nominee to any federal office.
re: #198 makeitstop
Side note: Did Stefanik get demoted? Wasn’t it her turn a couple of morons ago?
I think they save her to bat cleanup because of her calm, soothing voice and logical, measured presentation.
Not enough////////////////////////////////
re: #198 makeitstop
Side note: Did Stefanik get demoted? Wasn’t it her turn a couple of morons ago?
Maybe it wasn’t polling well, and she felt it wasn’t paying off?
EDIT: nope
Even #LapdogLindsey agrees except he called them ‘magic phrases’ 😱https://t.co/Mi0MD43N9P
— Joyce Laplantae 🌊🌳♨️⚔️💥🤯 (@JoyceLaPlant) November 20, 2019
Oh, boy. Me and my big mouth. Stefanik.
She always seems so irritated.
Too bad her timeline omits all the bad news… for Trump.
Trump thinks he should be Prime Minister of Israel:
Trump Tells Orthodox Jewish Fundraiser: If Impeached, I’d Become Prime Minister of Israel https://t.co/DQHCYKUqlw via @JewishPress
— Jose Rodriguez (@changeingyou) November 18, 2019
Hunter Biden isn’t under investigation. But the GOP wont stop it.
Stefanik thanks Sondland for honest testimony.
re: #195 Scottish Dragon
JFC…Barr is involved.
What do you mean by this? I read two ways to parse it:
1) Barr is up to his ears in the whole Ukraine/Biden/election-tampering/backdoor “diplomacy” scandal?
or 2) Barr is going to try to use formal FBI authority to out (“accidentally” of course) the WB under some “investigatory” guise or other?
1) shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone
2) disgusting (and likely to put someone’s life in danger) but again, unsurprising given our AG’s terminal hackishness….
re: #212 lawhawk
It’s prep work for the 2020 election, they are making sound bites for infomercials.
re: #212 lawhawk
Hunter Biden isn’t under investigation. But the GOP wont stop it.
Stefanik thanks Sondland for honest testimony.
And she only mentioned Obama in passing…
re: #214 Thanos
It’s prep work for the 2020 election, they are making sound bites for infomercials.
The 2020 campaign will have chants of “Lock him UP” from Trump audiences if Biden wins the nom.
As a Buddhist, we are never supposed to take any happiness comfort in the suffering of another human being. Watching Devin Nunes and Stephen Castor cringe and sweat during Gordon Sondland’s eviscerating testimony, I have been a very, very bad Buddhist today.
— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) November 20, 2019
Swalwell - did anyone tell you to stop talking to Rudy? No
Did you follow directions at State and Trump re: Ukraine? Yes.
Did anyone reprimand you in your conduct actions re: Ukraine? No.
Conditioning visit to WH by foreign leader on investigating a political opponent, is that wrong? Yes.
Asking foreign leader to investigate a political opponent, is that wrong? Yes.
He again admits to calling this a quid pro quo.
re: #213 Jay C
What do you mean by this? I read two ways to parse it:
1) Barr is up to his ears in the whole Ukraine/Biden/election-tampering/backdoor “diplomacy” scandal?
or 2) Barr is going to try to use formal FBI authority to out (“accidentally” of course) the WB under some “investigatory” guise or other?
1) shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone
2) disgusting (and likely to put someone’s life in danger) but again, unsurprising given our AG’s terminal hackishness….
I suspect that Barr is using this to pressure/out the whistleblower.
Other interpretation is that this is related to counter intel investigation on Giuliani.
re: #216 Thanos
The 2020 campaign will have chants of “Lock him UP” from Trump audiences if Biden wins the nom.
That would be AWESOME.
re: #3 Charles Johnson
Sondland is a complete jackass, even if he is blowing up the crime family.
It takes a douche to take down a douche. He’s definitely one of Trump’s “best people”.
re: #218 lawhawk
Swalwell - did anyone tell you to stop talking to Rudy? No
Did you follow directions at State and Trump re: Ukraine? Yes.
Did anyone reprimand you in your conduct actions re: Ukraine? No.Conditioning visit to WH by foreign leader on investigating a political opponent, is that wrong? Yes.
Asking foreign leader to investigate a political opponent, is that wrong? Yes.He again admits to calling this a quid pro quo.
The rain hypo was a nice touch.
re: #213 Jay C
What do you mean by this? I read two ways to parse it:
1) Barr is up to his ears in the whole Ukraine/Biden/election-tampering/backdoor “diplomacy” scandal?
or 2) Barr is going to try to use formal FBI authority to out (“accidentally” of course) the WB under some “investigatory” guise or other?
1) shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone
2) disgusting (and likely to put someone’s life in danger) but again, unsurprising given our AG’s terminal hackishness….
My pessimistic reading:
the whistleblower wasn’t on the call, but was concerned by what he was told by people who were on the call. Maybe some of them shouldn’t have spoken to him?
re: #212 lawhawk
If they get back in power, we know who they’ll be hounding. The Bidens and the Clintons.
re: #176 Charles Johnson
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re: #220 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Did you read that in reverse? Why would it be great for the Nuremberg Rallies to have the same chant, only gender-shifted, from 2016?
Or did you think that would be our rallies talking of Trump, which isn’t what the original comment did though might be a good idea whether we nominate Biden or Warren?
re: #221 Patricia Kayden
It takes a douche to take down a douche. He’s definitely one of Trump’s “best people”.
Good people wouldn’t get appointed by Trump to positions of power. And in the improbable event that one did, they’d end up dirty anyway.
Just wondering why it’s apparently off limits to note that Sondland basically bought his ambassadorship for $1 million.
How is this OK?— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
re: #230 Charles Johnson
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He just said he made the donation to get inauguration tickets
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re: #217 NO SMOCKING GUN!
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Yeah. I have this gut feeling that when we get to the grand finale, even the most ardent Trump and/or GOP hater will cringe in utter horror at the slow motion catastrophe.
— 🐄 Teo 🐄 (@Teukka72) November 20, 2019
re: #230 Charles Johnson
Because historically every admin has doled out ambassadorships to donors.
It’s always on the understanding that the State Dept officials working for the ambassador would help do the work for them.
re: #224 Patricia Kayden
If they get back in power, we know who they’ll be hounding. The Bidens and the Clintons.
Yep, if Biden is President, 2023 is going to see investigations of his role in Shokin’s firing after the GOP regains control of Congress in the 2022 midterms.
Heh.
Presidential memo or post-punk song lyrics https://t.co/hwztSusXjg
— Craig Bro Dude (@CraigSJ) November 20, 2019
And yes, I know this is common practice. But my question still stands.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2019
re: #234 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Yep, if Biden is President, 2023 is going to see investigations of his role in Shokin’s firing after the GOP regains control of Congress in the 2022 midterms.
I think Republicans will want to investigate whoever the Dems nominate and elect. However, I’d rather not nominate Biden.
re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White
Good people wouldn’t get appointed by Trump to positions of power. And in the improbable event that one did, they’d end up dirty anyway.
Even Mattis was neck deep in the Theranos scandal.
What the @nytimes calls “luck” was actually reporting by @politico—not even cited or linked to by the NYT here—which broke the news of the hold on military aid and led to the congressional “uproar” that led Zelensky to back out of the CNN interview. https://t.co/4lYWbxx65e
— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) November 20, 2019
re: #238 HappyWarrior
I think Republicans will want to investigate whoever the Dems nominate and elect. However, I’d rather not nominate Biden.
I’d like somebody not yet old enough for Social Security.
Sadly, that’s all of our frontrunners.
(I’m still cheering for Amy Klobuchar)
re: #238 HappyWarrior
I think Republicans will want to investigate whoever the Dems nominate and elect. However, I’d rather not nominate Biden.
They will be investigating something whoever the Democratic President is. If its Warren, they’ll be investigating her claim to be Native American.
re: #239 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Even Mattis was neck deep in the Theranos scandal.
Yeah. Him being on the board of a Biotech makes as much sense as Hunter Biden on the board of a Ukrainian oil company - they’re not there for their relevant expertise.
re: #241 sagehen
I’d like somebody not yet old enough for Social Security.
Sadly, that’s all of our frontrunners.
(I’m still cheering for Amy Klobuchar)
And then there’s Pete. Of the big four, I’d like a blend of Biden’s foreign policy know how and Warren’s zest for reform.
re: #241 sagehen
I’d like somebody not yet old enough for Social Security.
Sadly, that’s all of our frontrunners.
(I’m still cheering for Amy Klobuchar)
Except for Mayor Pete, who the latest polls have catapulted into frontrunner status.
re: #242 NO SMOCKING GUN!
They will be investigating something whoever the Democratic President is. If its Warren, they’ll be investigating her claim to be Native American.
Yep.
re: #245 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Except for Mayor Pete, who the latest polls have catapulted into frontrunner status.
And I’m honestly less bullish on him than Biden.
re: #247 HappyWarrior
And I’m honestly less bullish on him than Biden.
His 0% polling with African-Americans doesn’t bode well, but things could change rapidly if he wins Iowa.
“What Ukrainian law did Hunter Biden violate?”
Too bad Fox will find some way to ignore that line.
re: #248 NO SMOCKING GUN!
His 0% polling with African-Americans doesn’t bode well, but things could change rapidly if he wins Iowa.
His record with African Americans is deeply troubling. I’m still hoping Harris can surprise some people.
Rep. Heck is calling out Pompeo, Perry, Mulvaney and all the rest to testify under oath as a moral obligation.
If tonight’s debate is focused on detailed differences in health care plans, Imma break something.
Let this sink in. Not sure you saw it. But damn.
#1
Ryan delivered authentic goods, I’ve confirmed:https://t.co/hsCQlBApcz pic.twitter.com/8FPKSxQDOm
— H-man (@liveloveresist1) November 19, 2019
#2
Here’s @PeteButtigieg speaking at a Tea Party event during Obama’s presidency and praising them for their concerns about the “direction” of the country. The Tea Party is the RACIST movement that rose up after Obama was elected.
This video is disqualifying.pic.twitter.com/THFHD4BRS3— Ryan Knight 🗽 (@ProudResister) November 19, 2019
re: #230 Charles Johnson
Because that happens with every administration.
Schiff and team have run the most effective Congressional probe in history. Informed of the WB complaint on Sep 9, and in a little over two months have broken WH obstruction, got docs & testimony, flipped reluctant witnesses, and revealed the entire plot. Seriously impressive.
— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) November 20, 2019
Sondland seems to realize that he may be the only rat left with a chance to get off the sinking ship. The rest are sitting dejectedly in the first class bar, swilling the last of the Glenlivet while green water gurgles up the walls.
re: #157 Charles Johnson
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Sondland auditioning for the Norman Fell role in a Three’s Company reboot pic.twitter.com/s8Ug4osSaV
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) November 20, 2019
re: #252 sagehen
If tonight’s debate is focused on detailed differences in health care plans, Imma break something.
Apparently, that’s Biden’s plan.
re: #255 makeitstop
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Schiff is a professional. I think it’s why we shouldn’t disparage an office holder if they’ve been around awhile. I think the people who wanted Pelosi to rush on impeachment were wrong. I certainly do feel Trump should have been impeached before the current inquiry but so many people I think don’t understand the logistical side of building a case. As we enter the winter months, Trump is in deep shit.
re: #253 Mescalero09
Let this sink in. Not sure you saw it. But damn.
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Just the candidate we need to appeal to rustbelt voters who eat in diners!/
I want to hear about foreign policy.
Ukraine. NATO. South Korea. how our next president will repair relations with our used to be friends, and punish Russia and North Korea and Turkey.
2/ thing was in the process of falling apart. The Trump/Sondland call finally ties them together. Sondland is calling for the final gut check. But Trump knows it’s over and he’s already running for the hills.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 20, 2019
re: #257 goddamnedfrank
I know that smile well. He looks like he just farted knowing it’s going to clear the room once it spreads.
— 𝕧𝕒𝕟𝕚𝕝𝕝𝕒 𝕘𝕠𝕣𝕚𝕝𝕝𝕒 (@kronocide1) November 20, 2019
re: #261 sagehen
I want to hear about foreign policy.
Ukraine. NATO. South Korea. how our next president will repair relations with our used to be friends, and punish Russia and North Korea and Turkey.
There, you showed why Warren hasn’t completely sold me yet.
If I had a shoe to throw, I would not throw it at Gym or Farmer 007.
I would take off my other shoe and throw one at each of them.
re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White
Yeah. Him being on the board of a Biotech makes as much sense as Hunter Biden on the board of a Ukrainian oil company - they’re not there for their relevant expertise.
ding ding ding
re: #256 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Sondland seems to realize that he may be the only rat left with a chance to get off the sinking ship. The rest are sitting dejectedly in the first class bar, swilling the last of the
GlenlivetStolichnaya while green water gurgles up the walls.
Jackie Speier was shot five times at Jonestown and played dead for a full day to save her own life, go ahead, try to fuck with her https://t.co/WdLBK5SUPh
— shauna (@goldengateblond) November 20, 2019
re: #265 HappyWarrior
There, you showed why Warren hasn’t completely sold me yet.
Yep. Like the late Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, it doesn’t matter that much how you’re improving the lives of the citizenry in the short term if you can’t get stop your enemies’ otherwise-likely-to-be-successful efforts to dissolve the country in its entirety.
Why did the US ultimately release the aid to Ukraine. This is the crux. It wasn’t because Trump wanted to release it. It’s because he had no legal basis to do so.
Reminder: Ukraine got the money when State Department lawyers determined that Trump had no legal authority to block it and sent it without his consent. https://t.co/jffkqrjN2h
— Joshua Holland 🔥 (@JoshuaHol) November 20, 2019
He would have continued to block aid to Ukraine if he could - to extract the concessions sought - to get that announcement of an investigation launched into the Bidens.
And nothing about this ever rose to the interest of the GOP prior to Biden entering the race, or while the GOP were in control of both the House and Senate from 2017-2018. They didn’t launch a single investigation into any of this.
They only raise it now as a smokescreen to Trump’s actual crimes.
re: #270 Chrysicat
Yep. Like the late Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, it doesn’t matter that much how you’re improving the lives of the citizenry in the short term if you can’t get stop your enemies’ otherwise-likely-to-be-successful efforts to dissolve the country in its entirety.
Yeah I’m curious who is advising her on FP. I imagine Biden has most of the Obama alumni.
re: #1 Ace Rothstein
Fuck his supporters, too. All of them.
Maloney’s really leaning in here. Good. Sondland should feel as uncomfortable as possible.
One academic I think they should all talk to is Timothy Snyder. He’s one of the country’s foremost experts on Eastern Europe and Russia.
Restoring and revitalizing international relationships hurt by the Trump administration needs to be a priority of the next administration.
You have to be fucking kidding me.
Julia Roberts was suggested to play Harriet Tubman by studio exec, says Harriet screenwriter https://t.co/5d3RLKVIB1
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 20, 2019
re: #279 HappyWarrior
Restoring and revitalizing international relationships hurt by the Trump administration needs to be a priority of the next administration.
An apology tour, you might say.
re: #227 Chrysicat
Did you read that in reverse? Why would it be great for the Nuremberg Rallies to have the same chant, only gender-shifted, from 2016?
Or did you think that would be our rallies talking of Trump, which isn’t what the original comment did though might be a good idea whether we nominate Biden or Warren?
Perhaps I read it wrong, but turnabout is fair fucking play and I would love nothing more than a zillion Dems screaming LOCK HIM UP.
re: #280 NO SMOCKING GUN!
I’m thinking Mohammed Ali should be played by Tom Hardy.
re: #280 NO SMOCKING GUN!
You have to be fucking kidding me.
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Is that before or after Willem Dafoe plays Frederick Douglass.
Rep. Krishnamoorth is good. He consistently asks clear, concise questions.
re: #286 BigPapa
I’m thinking Mohammed Ali should be played by Tom Hardy.
MLK will now be played by Tom Hanks and Rosa Parks by Meryl Streep.
re: #285 makeitstop
Krishnamoorthi raises a BIG point there.
His time with LC VIndman yesterday, talking of their immigration stories and addressing the dual loyalty narrative, nearly brought me to tears. I think Rep Raja was clearly emotional as well. Very powerful moment.
re: #280 NO SMOCKING GUN!
You have to be fucking kidding me.
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Read that last night. The kicker is that when challenged on it, that Tubman was black, the Studio Exec said something like ‘That was a long time ago. Nobody will remember that’.
Too many crimes to count.
Oh, and I forgot one: The foundation also deliberately misreported the transaction, claiming it went to an actual charity in Kansas with a name similar to Bondi’s SuperPAC. Which maybe could be an innocent error, but more likely was a deliberate fraud.
— Mark Schmitt (@mschmitt9) November 20, 2019
Pompeo’s best bet of returning to Kansas is Leavenworth. https://t.co/Ng9QZJiJnY
— Frank Rich (@frankrichny) November 20, 2019
From colleague Rich Edson. State Dept: Gordon Sondland never told Secretary Pompeo that he believed the President was linking aid to investigations of political opponents. Any suggestion to the contrary is flat out false.”
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) November 20, 2019
re: #290 BigPapa
His time with LC VIndman yesterday, talking of their immigration stories and addressing the dual loyalty narrative, nearly brought me to tears. I think Rep Raja was clearly emotional as well. Very powerful moment.
Trump’s attacks on immigrants are understandably personal to him.
“We appreciate your candor, but let’s be clear about what it took to get it out of you” — damn, Maloney *is not* messing around 😳 pic.twitter.com/gMaxMH5xZ9
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 20, 2019
re: #289 HappyWarrior
MLK will now be played by Tom Hanks and Rosa Parks by Meryl Streep.
The part of Michael Jackson will be played by Justin Bieber.
re: #287 HappyWarrior
Is that before or after Willem Dafoe plays Frederick Douglass.
Hey, maybe we can get Tom Hanks to star in a Morgan Freeman biopic!
Sondland has his Dr. Evil face on every time cow boy talks.
re: #296 makeitstop
The part of Michael Jackson will be played by Justin Bieber.
Prediction:
Sometime today or tomorrow, someone on the Right will say, “Hey, if you can have a Porta Ricken playing Alexander Hamilton and a black guy playing George Washington, why can’t Julia Roberts play Harriet Tubman?”
re: #293 lawhawk
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If you’re having trouble following the impeachment hearings, let me summarize…
- Of those who were willing to testify under oath, ALL say Trump committed crimes.
- Of those who say Trump did NOT commit crimes; none were willing to testify under oath.
…That’s it.— Translate Trump (@TranslateRealDT) November 16, 2019
re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White
Prediction:
Sometime today or tomorrow, someone on the Right will say, “Hey, if you can have a Porta Ricken playing Alexander Hamilton and a black guy playing George Washington, why can’t Julia Roberts play Harriet Tubman?”
You know it’s coming.
Farmer Devin, you idiot, this is what TV Tropes calls a “suspiciously specific denial”.
Trump wasn’t asked about “is there a quid pro quo”—why would he deny it to someone who didn’t suspect one to exist?
re: #261 sagehen
I want to hear about foreign policy.
Ukraine. NATO. South Korea. how our next president will repair relations with our used to be friends, and punish Russia and North Korea and Turkey.
That’s basically asking for the impossible. The brutal reality is that as long as the GOP remains a national party thanks to the over-representation of its chucklefuck base, the US is fundamentally unreliable internationally.
Sondland might be the first person ever who’d rather be at Dulles
— Kelsey L. Hayes (@kelseylh) November 20, 2019
So when Nikki runs for president (eww, I just made myself nauseous) do we get to have hearings on why Boeing put her on their board?
re: #302 Chrysicat
Related:
Why would Trump unprompted by Sondland explicitly use the language in his conversation with Sondland that he didn’t engage in a quid pro quo?
That’s weird. You don’t make that kind of statement unless you’re trying to retcon your alibi in real time.
re: #286 BigPapa
I’m thinking Mohammed Ali should be played by Tom Hardy.
I think Genghis Khan should be played by John Wayne and his Tartar wife Bortai should be played by Susan Hayward…
Oh, wait.
re: #297 Eclectic Cyborg
Hey, maybe we can get Tom Hanks to star in a Morgan Freeman biopic!
I was going to suggest that they could balance things out by having Morgan himself play Queen Elizabeth in the last few installments of The Crown.
re: #305 BeachDem
So when Nikki runs for president (eww, I just made myself nauseous) do we get to have hearings on why Boeing put her on their board?
She has an answer for that.
Union-busting. State-level right-to-work laws. She has expertise in these areas.
re: #308 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
I was going to suggest that they could balance things out by having Morgan himself play Queen Elizabeth in the last few installments of The Crown.
I would watch that.
re: #304 lawhawk
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I’m not clear on why people crap on Dulles. I fly into and out of there all the time when I go back to PA. It’s not crowded, the underground shuttles run on time, quickly and efficiently, and there’s a Five Guys in the B terminal near the gate I always end up at.
SFO’s always crowded, and with the addition of the International Terminal is terminally confusing.
re: #309 sagehen
She has an answer for that.
Union-busting. State-level right-to-work laws. She has expertise in these areas.
Bragging about busting unions in South Carolina in the 50’s would be sad. Doing it in the 21st century is I can’t even.
re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White
I’m not clear on why people crap on Dulles. I fly into and out of there all the time when I go back to PA. It’s not crowded, the underground shuttles run on time, quickly and efficiently, and there’s a Five Guys in the B terminal near the gate I always end up at.
SFO’s always crowded, and with the addition of the International Terminal is terminally confusing.
I don’t either. It’s my home airport. Not my favorite airport but not bad either.
re: #312 HappyWarrior
Bragging about busting unions in South Carolina in the 50’s would be sad. Doing it in the 21st century is I can’t even.
Actually, union busting is more acceptable now that it was in the 1950s in the right and in the center.
After all, back then the GOP pretended to support labor even as it was gutting it with things like Taft-Hartley. Now they don’t even bother to pretend.
re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White
I’m not clear on why people crap on Dulles. I fly into and out of there all the time when I go back to PA. It’s not crowded, the underground shuttles run on time, quickly and efficiently, and there’s a Five Guys in the B terminal near the gate I always end up at.
SFO’s always crowded, and with the addition of the International Terminal is terminally confusing.
Probably a combination between “people who simply hate airports as a whole” and “people who resent that any airport further away than National is considered an airport-serving-DC”. And yet there are others who feel that even Dulles is too dangerous and want to deprecate it in favour of Balt-Wash…
Ack.
Biden just blasted out his post-debate “did I make you proud?” email hours before the start time.
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) November 20, 2019
re: #313 HappyWarrior
I don’t either. It’s my home airport. Not my favorite airport but not bad either.
It’s also really convenient for me - plenty of direct flights SFO-IAD, and it’s easy to get to and from via the “back way” - 15S -> 7E -> 28S.
Mind you, I’m not trying to get there from DC.
re: #305 BeachDem
So when Nikki runs for president (eww, I just made myself nauseous) do we get to have hearings on why Boeing put her on their board?
Might it be related (or not un-related) to Boeing having set up a big plant in SC?
Mainly for wage/union “advantages”, and for which their reward has been (so I heard), serious quality-control issues wrt the 737 787 - just what they needed… ////
Tx. Eric @ #325
re: #314 EPR-radar
Actually, union busting is more acceptable now that it was in the 1950s in the right and in the center.
After all, back then the GOP pretended to support labor even as it was gutting it with things like Taft-Hartley. Now they don’t even bother to pretend.
I’m pointing out that unions were never strong in South Carolina so she really didn’t have to do much. Nikki bragging about it was stupid. I actually found an old article with quotes by my father’s father why unions never took up in the South from the early 60’s.
re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White
I’m not clear on why people crap on Dulles. I fly into and out of there all the time when I go back to PA. It’s not crowded, the underground shuttles run on time, quickly and efficiently, and there’s a Five Guys in the B terminal near the gate I always end up at.
SFO’s always crowded, and with the addition of the International Terminal is terminally confusing.
Never flown out of Dulles. I’d personally substitute LGA. SFO has always been straight forward for me on my few trips there. JFK has been straight forward too. LGA is like the reception area for hell.
re: #317 Blind Frog Belly White
It’s also really convenient for me - plenty of direct flights SFO-IAD, and it’s easy to get to and from via the “back way” - 15S -> 7E -> 28S.
Mind you, I’m not trying to get there from DC.
I did IAD-SFO. Not bad.
Girl bye, I don’t do fake…😂😭
Congressman Krishnamoorthi is all of us!
pic.twitter.com/tyofl5gOsn— FierceWarriorNStilettos (@InactionNever) November 20, 2019
re: #309 sagehen
She has an answer for that.
Union-busting. State-level right-to-work laws. She has expertise in these areas.
She has an answer for everything—not usually a good answer, but she’s always running her mouth about something. The SC Boeing workers voted for a union, but the NLRB sided with Boeing against them. And all is not well at the SC plant.
A year after voting to join a union, flight-line employees at Boeing Co.’s North Charleston campus describe a workplace filled with paranoia and punishment.
re: #319 Jay C
Might it be related (or not un-related) to Boeing having set up a big plant in SC?
Mainly for wage/union “advantages”, and for which their reward has been (so I heard), serious quality-control issues wrt the 737 - just what they needed… ////
Boeing assembles the 787 there, and their QA is so bad several airliners refuse to take planes made there.
re: #325 Eric The Fruit Bat
Boeing assembles the 787 there, and their QA is so bad several airliners refuse to take planes made there.
Speaking of, I see no way that Boeing Commercial Aircraft can remain in business between it now being obvious that every 737Max has to be scrapped and the fact that only idiot-run airlines will accept over half of their 787s.
What is the country doing to prevent a future where all planes larger than a regional jet are either from a newly-set-up Chinese company, or Airbus?
re: #280 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Julia Roberts was suggested to play Harriet Tubman by studio exec, says Harriet screenwriter
Tropic Thunder!!!
News: The infamous disinformation account @breakingnlive, which was retweeted by President Trump, is permanently suspended. It consistently tweeted wrong information to its 127k followers.
It was “suspended for violating our platform manipulation and spam policy,” per Twitter.— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 20, 2019
One fun bit is that Pompeo is at NATO Headquarters in Brussels today at the Foreign Ministers meeting, so a little far from the action but well within range of Sondland’s bus. Coffee breaks must have been pretty interesting.
SEAN HANNITY on his radio show: “This couldn’t be a better day for President Trump.”
— Jeremy Barr (@jeremymbarr) November 20, 2019
re: #331 lawhawk
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Terrific audition for Squealer there Sean but we’re still undecided between you and Lindsay Graham for the role. We’ve already cast Trump as Napoleon.
Don’t forget, Ukraine is prohibited from using Javelin missiles against Russians.
And the Javelins are now being supplied by Trump on condition that they not be used in combat against the Russian separatists! https://t.co/Jh90AcJL0L
— Max Boot (@MaxBoot) November 20, 2019
Under the conditions of the foreign military sale, the Trump admin stipulates that the Javelins must be stored in western Ukraine—hundreds of miles from the battlefield. Experts say the conditions of the sale render them useless.https://t.co/cRMQwvRFxx
— Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) November 20, 2019
re: #331 lawhawk
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“American troops are killing themselves by the thousands throwing themselves against the walls of Baghdad!”
re: #331 lawhawk
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It’s legitimately unnerving to watch all of this cognitive energy being devoted by Trump’s impeachment defenders into pretending to be world-historically stupid. But I suppose it’s kind of the job description?
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) November 20, 2019
re: #334 Dread Pirate
Don’t forget, Ukraine is prohibited from using Javelin missiles against Russians.
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He doesn’t care about Ukrainian sovereignty. I know a guy named Nitup Rimidalv who doesn’t either.
re: #331 lawhawk
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SEAN HANNITY on his radio show: “This couldn’t be a better day for President Trump.”
Meanwhile, on planet Earth, some of the headlines:
Sondland’s testimony advances likely impeachment charge of obstruction
Gordon Sondland’s testimony torpedoes Republican defenses of Trump
SONDLAND BOMBSHELL: ‘WE FOLLOWED THE PRESIDENT’S ORDERS’
A GOP Ambassador Destroyed Republican Talking Points On The Ukraine Scandal
Gordon Sondland leaves no doubt Trump is a criminal as he surprises the world with his devastating testimony
I’d almost be inclined to think that Russia WANTED “the” Ukraine to buy them so that they’d be in place to false-flag the damage to Polish and Moldovan armour in upcoming invasions once the Russian Army got their hands on them. But then why would Ukraine have wanted them?
— (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) November 20, 2019
So, from what I understand…
This hearing:
1. Confirmed what we all knew, that Trump and his cabal are criminals.
2. That the House Republicans are proving it is not possible to defend the administration.
Obviously things could change in an instant.
But the Republican Senators in general and McConnell in particular must looking at the experience of the House Republicans and concluding that they need to find a better option.
re: #337 HappyWarrior
He doesn’t care about Ukrainian sovereignty. I know a guy named Nitup Rimidalv who doesn’t either.
Took me a second.
Well played. :P
re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White
Prediction:
Sometime today or tomorrow, someone on the Right will say, “Hey, if you can have a Porta Ricken playing Alexander Hamilton and a black guy playing George Washington, why can’t Julia Roberts play Harriet Tubman?”
They would have to see Hamilton first.
There’s hackery, and then there’s hackery.https://t.co/Tai6kKJyvx
— IWantNothingHat (@Popehat) November 20, 2019
Boiled down, McCarthy’s defense amounts to IOKIYAR.
re: #337 HappyWarrior
Da tovarisch.
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re: #344 lawhawk
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Boiled down, McCarthy’s defense amounts to IOKIYAR.
Yes explain bribery away guy at the President ‘/ ball rubbing network to a former federal prosecutor.
A federal judge today shot down Islamophobe Laura Loomer’s lawsuit against CAIR, a Muslim civil rights group. Loomer alleged that CAIR had interfered with her “business relationship” with Twitter.
What business relationship? The judge couldn’t find one.https://t.co/cCcLuyXkBe— Luke O’Brien (@lukeobrien) November 20, 2019
re: #294 HappyWarrior
Trump’s attacks on immigrants are understandably personal to him.
Yes, that’s apparent. What’s surprising to me was how this white euro mutt with no immigration story in my family get sucked into the moment on something that I really hadn’t though of too much. My wife was born here but her parents immigrated from Philippines, but I’m not sure if I was thinking of that. Rep Raja’s moment is seared into my memory.
Now that I’m talking about my wife’s family it’s making me miss Bourdain. The Parts Unknown episode in Manila is one of my favorites and I think we’ll probably watch it as a family every Christmas.
Dammit, now I’m getting in my feels again. I miss Bourdain more than ever.
re: #347 lawhawk
I mean, you could argue that the terms of service are a valid contract (I think many TOS’s are adhesion contracts that shouldn’t be worth the paper they aren’t written on, but that’s another story), but even if you get there to create a “business relationship”, that’s still not how intentional interference with contractual relations work. You can’t sue a third party who points out you are breaching a contract with someone else.
re: #341 ckkatz
But the Republican Senators in general and McConnell in particular must looking at the experience of the House Republicans and concluding that they need to find a better option.
Or at least a better producer to stage-manage a better show (which, of course, a Senate trial will be).
But the problem is, that in said trial, the charges are “prosecuted” by the House “Managers” - and I’d be really surprised if Adam Schiff isn’t lead chair. IIRC, the “defense” is provided by the accused (impeached) offcial, so God knows what gang of imbeciles Trump might send up: Rudy Giuliani as lead counsel? Devin Nunes as second?
re: #344 lawhawk
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Finally got to the “Yes the President committed a crime, but he still shouldn’t be impeached” stage of the defense.
re: #347 lawhawk
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Federal Judge: “OK Loomer.”
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 20, 2019
re: #348 BigPapa
Yes, that’s apparent. What’s surprising to me was how this white euro mutt with no immigration story in my family get sucked into the moment on something that I really hadn’t though of too much. My wife was born here but her parents immigrated from Philippines, but I’m not sure if I was thinking of that. Rep Raja’s moment is seared into my memory.
Now that I’m talking about my wife’s family it’s making me miss Bourdain. The Parts Unknown episode in Manila is one of my favorites and I think we’ll probably watch it as a family every Christmas.
Dammit, now I’m getting in my feels again. I miss Bourdain more than ever.
Three of my grandparents had immigrant parents. So fairly far removed directly but my sister in law is an immigrant too. Trump’s xenophobia just infuriates me. I miss Bourdain too. He was a great ambassador for our country.
re: #351 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Finally got to the “Yes the President committed a crime, but he still shouldn’t be impeached” stage of the defense.
we’re about 15 minutes from “the American people should decide next November.” And we sent members of Congress to Washington specifically to deal with issues like this, like it’s literally in the constitution as one of their job duties.
And on a lighter, I think, note…..
I would church here and I’m a Hebrew. https://t.co/KU5f0CL4SI
— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) November 20, 2019
re: #350 Jay C
Or at least a better producer to stage-manage a better show (which, of course, a Senate trial will be).
But the problem is, that in said trial, the charges are “prosecuted” by the House “Managers” - and I’d be really surprised if Adam Schiff isn’t lead chair. IIRC, the “defense” is provided by the accused (impeached) offcial, so God knows what gang of imbeciles Trump might send up: Rudy Giuliani as lead counsel? Devin Nunes as second?
I’m not sure that a member of the House can serve as a defense attorney in a Senate trial. I’m not sure who the Managers will be for the House, but I suspect most will be from the Judiciary Committee, which is how it worked in Clinton’s trial, since this will look a lot more like a trial than a typical Congressional hearing.
re: #355 Mescalero09
Jesus, he knows me. And I’m alright.
re: #358 lawhawk
Jesus, he knows me. And I’m alright.
And………………………………………………………………………………………He was in Genesis.
Rudy Giuliani has been a gift to the Democrats that keeps on giving.
Update: Giuliani has put his tweet back up, an hour after he deleted it.
The tweet still contradicts his Nov 8 explanation of what he was doing in Ukraine.— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) November 20, 2019
re: #360 BeachDem
He seems to have that invisible touch.
I assume that the Archangel looks like Peter Gabriel
And speaking of the prowess of one Nikki Haley…
NEW — Nikki Haley sent classified information over an unsecured email system because she forgot her password, new emails reveal. https://t.co/Vumdpb48VJ
Via @csdickey— Sam Stein (@samstein) November 20, 2019
North Korea had just tested an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting Alaska, and the Trump administration was scrambling to react. But it seems Nikki Haley, Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, had lost her password for classified communications.
That’s why on that fraught July 4, 2017, she was typing away on her BlackBerry 10 smartphone, sending “confidential” information over a system meant only for unclassified material.
re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Or the Lamb That Lied Down on Broadway.
re: #363 BeachDem
And speaking of the prowess of one Nikki Haley…
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North Korea had just tested an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting Alaska, and the Trump administration was scrambling to react. But it seems Nikki Haley, Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, had lost her password for classified communications.
That’s why on that fraught July 4, 2017, she was typing away on her BlackBerry 10 smartphone, sending “confidential” information over a system meant only for unclassified material.
But not her emails.
re: #363 BeachDem
And speaking of the prowess of one Nikki Haley…
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I assume we have to LOCK HER UP now.
Rep. Krishnamoorthi turns into the embodiment of the cringe emoji, in GIF form pic.twitter.com/JqKtJK70sU
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 20, 2019
re: #363 BeachDem
But it seems Nikki Haley, Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, had lost her password for classified communications.
Did she try “guest”?
re: #356 KGxvi
I’m not sure that a member of the House can serve as a defense attorney in a Senate trial. I’m not sure who the Managers will be for the House, but I suspect most will be from the Judiciary Committee, which is how it worked in Clinton’s trial, since this will look a lot more like a trial than a typical Congressional hearing.
OK: the House Judiciary Committee?
Some decent enough names there to choose from (I think the House sends up a panel of five(?)). I see Gym Jordan (R) and Val Demings (D) are on both HJC and HIC….
Guess who made his flight pic.twitter.com/tUQK3gf3x8
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) November 20, 2019
re: #369 Jay C
OK: the House Judiciary Committee?
Some decent enough names there to choose from (I think the House sends up a panel of five(?)). I see Gym Jordan (R) and Val Demings (D) are on both HJC and HIC….
My guess is that there won’t be any Republicans among the House managers… unless one of them were to vote for the articles of impeachment.
Clinton’s impeachment had 13 managers. I think there will be a resolution to name the managers. I hope whoever they send, at least one of them should be a newer member with relatively recent trial experience as an attorney.
re: #354 KGxvi
we’re about 15 minutes from “the American people should decide next November.” And we sent members of Congress to Washington specifically to deal with issues like this, like it’s literally in the constitution as one of their job duties.
I htnk they did that days ago.
Interesting, considering that Bill Barr had the DOJ’s Criminal Division rule that no “crime” was committed because they couldn’t figure out the actual real world “value” of $400 million in military aid
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) November 20, 2019
I need to run through this before I make a decision I truly regret.
My mom has been asking me to do the ancestry.com stuff for a bit. My wife is also interested (in me, not her of course).
In the mean time, I know an old painter/handyman/practically homeless guy around town. We call him Painter. Good dude, little whacko, believes in conspiracy shit and I know how to goad him a tad for funs but not let it get weird. When mom moved here to Hawaii I hooked her up with Painter to repaint and help with some odd jobs and shit. Worked out well for all, he seems to be good with her. She blasts Rachel ever afternoon and he knows to keep his comments to a minimum, and they know not to get into politics too much.
So when Ancestry came back up one the phone, Mom, hard of hearing has me on speakerphone. I know Painter is there. I say “OK mom, I’ll consider doing it only if Painter approves.” He bellows out a big Painter laugh from the other room.
When discussing further, I suggest to Painter maybe he should give his DNA under my name. We’re having a little too much fun with this, poor mom. I suggest this means he gets free license to rub one out, for science yo. Mom is not pleased with this banter. I complain that I only agreed to this believing I get a free Rub One Out card but I don’t know now.
Now that I have the kit… I have 3 guys I work with: 2 euro mutts and one local guy who’s probably portagee/hawaiian mix. You know where this is going.
Should I punk mom and get us all to mix our DNA together? I can yell at her and say ‘Is Dad my real dad?’
I”m so going to hell for this. But I’m going to laugh all the way there.
they’re finally zeroing in on this
it wasnt ‘investigations’
it was ‘an announcement’
Benjamin Wittes: “Seeking investigations of political foes for personal political gain is a prototypically corrupt. But beyond that, Sondland was clear in his testimony that Trump wasn’t actually asking for the investigations themselves, but merely the announcement of them. In other words, he wanted not an investigation of corruption, but the political optics of Ukraine’s declaring that his political opponents were under investigation. What’s more, Sondland also confirmed that Trump seemed not to care a whit about Ukraine—that he only cared about the investigations that could benefit him.”
re: #360 BeachDem
He seems to have that invisible touch.
I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord
And I’ve been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord
Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord, oh Lord
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According to Aaron Black in WaPo washingtonpost.com
Both Pence’s and Perry’s office are disputing Sondland’s testimony. They know nothing, nothing!
re: #377 retired cynic
According to Aaron Black in WaPo washingtonpost.com
Both Pence’s and Perry’s office are disputing Sondland’s testimony. They know nothing, nothing!
They ready to testify?
re: #377 retired cynic
According to Aaron Black in WaPo washingtonpost.com
Both Pence’s and Perry’s office are disputing Sondland’s testimony. They know nothing, nothing!
They’re absolutely invited to sit in that room, be sworn in, and say whatever they want to say.
re: #377 retired cynic
According to Aaron Black in WaPo washingtonpost.com
Both Pence’s and Perry’s office are disputing Sondland’s testimony. They know nothing, nothing!
come and testify
or else it’s just hot air
re: #376 BigPapa
I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord
And I’ve been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord
Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord, oh LordPosted without comment
Note to self: Don’t go swimming anywhere near that church.
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re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg
Here’s thing. I’m not a bleeding heart Liberal. I track conservative on some issues.
But regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, it should be easy enough to admit Trump is a dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, heartless asshole who really doesn’t deserve to be President.
Unfortunately there’s a certain percentage of brainwashed idiots in our midst that will never get there.
It’s more complicated. Many of Trump’s supporters know he is dishonest, egotistical, narcissistic, etc. They 1)are 4channers, who find that any enormous part of his charm and/or 2) evangelists, so twisted by what Bonhoeffer refers to as “cheap grace” that they feel whatever he does is fine as long as he does 1)abortion legislation and 2)conservative judges (by which he is getting to 1). They are unwittingly part of an ends justifies means fascistic ideology.
I haven’t seen The ManDelorean yet, but I did a fan art.#ManDelorean pic.twitter.com/XEByhaSItY
— Andy MacDonald (@andymacdeez) November 20, 2019
Keep in mind, at the same time they were doing like 10 different investigations of Benghazi, because they assumed Clinton would be the nominee (not Biden) and they could dirty her up with it. It’s a blatant tell.
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) November 20, 2019
re: #368 KGxvi
Did she try “guest”?
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She was in NY—she could have gone with Rudy to the Apple store.
Q: “Are you open-minded if more comes out that you could support impeachment?”
Sen. Graham: “Sure….If you could show me that Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo, outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing.” pic.twitter.com/HGYzdGEGPG— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) November 20, 2019
I saw that ….. I mean, really? That’s sucks.
— Peter Frampton (@peterframpton) November 20, 2019
re: #374 BigPapa
FWIW, AncestryDNA has some very definite requirements on who can now submit DNA, that the owner of the kit is the one who supplies the sample, and that other people can access the data but need to be granted permission by the owner.
The genotyping process will detect if there is conflicting data from the sample. There will be too many mis-calls in the genotyping.
re: #389 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
re: #371 KGxvi
My guess is that there won’t be any Republicans among the House managers… unless one of them were to vote for the articles of impeachment.
Clinton’s impeachment had 13 managers. I think there will be a resolution to name the managers. I hope whoever they send, at least one of them should be a newer member with relatively recent trial experience as an attorney.
OK. Tx. I don’t know why I thought the House Impeachment Managers were limited.
But myself, I’d recommend “prosecutor” as a preferred pre-Congressional job resume….
re: #391 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Welp, it was fun while it lasted. Still not happy I can’t send them a semen sample but I will proceed. Under protest.
re: #385 NO SMOCKING GUN!
Chris Hayes
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@chrislhayes
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Here’s the big tell that the Hunter Biden stuff is bs. The GOP had control of both houses of Congress back in 2015 and spent ZERO TIME on oversight of Burisma, etc. They could have! They certainly didn’t shy away from stoking scandals. And yet they didn’t. But now suddenly!
I remember thinking I wish someone would make that point! We need a pipeline to the committee!
re: #390 gocart mozart
Sarah does feel like you do, Peter.
re: #396 BigPapa
You’re likely to discover you have cousins you never knew existed. I certainly did.
re: #398 retired cynic
I remember thinking I wish someone would make that point! We need a pipeline to the committee!
theyre not really missing much
and they do tend to catch up pretty quickly - though sometimes slower than i’d like
they’re also (well their aides are) watching news, reactions, twitter, fb, etc for reactions
Schiff and team have run the most effective Congressional probe in history. Informed of the WB complaint on Sep 9, and in a little over two months have broken WH obstruction, got docs & testimony, flipped reluctant witnesses, and revealed the entire plot. Seriously impressive.
— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) November 20, 2019
I’ve been on a steady diet of The Twilight Zone on Netflix.
re: #282 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Perhaps I read it wrong, but turnabout is fair fucking play and I would love nothing more than a zillion Dems screaming LOCK HIM UP.
I would be one of the yellers for sure.
Nobody tell him. https://t.co/z5zYLYQY8D
— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) November 20, 2019
just watched the maloney segment
he really nailed the amb. to the wall
re: #350 Jay C
Or at least a better producer to stage-manage a better show (which, of course, a Senate trial will be).
You are very correct that the Republicans will control the process once the House sends the case over to the Senate. And I have no doubt that they are looking carefully at that option.
But Rep. Pelosi pointed out that she controls the process until she sends it over. Which guarantees that the Republicans are going to have their faces rubbed in this until she decides she has gotton what she wants out of it.
The Republican risk is that Pelosi might/should be able to set up the Republicans as accomplices and complicit in these crimes. And do so effectively just before elections.
I suspect that this was the point that Starr was making. Basically, either Trump goes under the bus, or a lot more of the Senate Republicans do.
If this were true he’d be complying with the House subpoena for documents
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) November 20, 2019
So many thoughts…Trump telling Sondland “no quid pro quo” is the scene in the movie where the suspect reveals the detail that only the cops and the murderer would no.
Also:
All the folks involved in the conspiracy: We didn’t do it!
GOP/Hannity/mouthbreathers: Welp…that’s settled!
this sux pretty good
An American solider and family are under government protection.
Because they’re under attack.
Not by terrorists.
Not by foreign enemies.
They’re under attack by the President of the United States. https://t.co/6ggEFWm3Hu— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) November 20, 2019
re: #412 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
this sux pretty good
Just use it to remind people of how much the Republicans care for the troops.
re: #411 Mike Lamb
So many thoughts…Trump telling Sondland “no quid pro quo” is the scene in the movie where the suspect reveals the detail that only the cops and the murderer would no.
Also:
All the folks involved in the conspiracy: We didn’t do it!
GOP/Hannity/mouthbreathers: Welp…that’s settled!
i actually made this point the other day
no way trump would have pulled “QPQ” out of the air
i would also like it if schiff et al would make clear that though the president himself held up the aid (authorized by congress) - he actually had no power to actually do so.
he was able to (temporarily) because no one knew
re: #412 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
this sux pretty good
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I’m telling ya, someone needs to take one for the team.
re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White
Yes. IMHO one of our better airports, along with DEN.
re: #326 Chrysicat
“What is the country doing to prevent a future where all planes larger than a regional jet are either from a newly-set-up Chinese company, or Airbus?”
-Little or nothing, since Reagan, our industrial heritage has been pimped out to the lowest bidders overseas mostly in the name of union-busting. It’s getting bad enough the Army and other services are ‘sourcing’ more and more of their gear, weapons, etc from foreign sources.
Even more frustrating, the tech that Boeing, GE and other ‘Job-Creators’ are selling off was largely created with public money.
As Lenin said, the committed capitalist will sell you the rope you hang him with.