Things Republicans Consider “Essential Services:” Churches and Guns

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A day after learning that we should probably expect to see 100,000 deaths (or more) in the US from the coronavirus pandemic, Florida’s Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, finally stopped dragging his feet and issued a stay-home order for 30 days, limiting all activity to “essential services.”

So what does Gov. DeSantis consider “essential,” you ask? All religious services, for starters, because apparently houses of worship have a magical force field that prevents the entry of deadly viruses.

But what could be even more essential, so essential that Donald Trump would designate them as “critical infrastructure?” I’ll bet you can guess…

GUNS.

Trump admin deems gun dealers and shooting ranges essential after lobbying push.

The Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency added the firearms industry to the list of “essential” sectors on Saturday. That addition allows many gun stores and ammunition dealers to remain open as other businesses shut their doors. The advisory was issued as a guide after several states such as California, New Jersey and Massachusetts cited lack of a federal directive on what could be deemed as essential businesses. Since the list is advisory, states vary on how closely they follow the guidance.

Days earlier, a number of leading gun advocacy groups lobbied President Donald Trump’s administration. The advisory came a day after Gun Owners of America sent a letter to the DHS requesting that the firearms dealers be deemed essential critical infrastructure.

UPDATE at 4/1/20 5:48:26 pm by Charles Johnson

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:17:39pm

Adam Schlesinger, age 52, passed away from covid-19.
variety.com

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:17:39pm

Gotta encourage hoarding.

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Chrysicat  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:19:27pm

CL’d and the response is to something at the top of the previous thread, to make matters worse:

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I’ve never heard McDonald play piano this much, and wow, he’s great. Beautiful harmonic changes and voicings in his intro sections.

You haven’t? Didn’t he do his own accompaniment on “Takin; It to the Streets” back in ‘78?

Not to mention “I Keep Forgettin’ (Every Time You’re Near)” 4 years later.

I was already a fan of his electric-piano work, is what I’m saying 😇

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:20:41pm
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Ace-o-aces  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:21:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:21:21pm

re: #3 Chrysicat

CL’d and the response is to something at the top of the previous thread, to make matters worse:

You haven’t? Didn’t he do his own accompaniment on “Takin; It to the Streets” back in ‘78?

Not to mention “I Keep Forgettin’ (Every Time You’re Near)” 4 years later.

I was already a fan of his electric-piano work, is what I’m saying 😇

I mean that I knew he played piano, of course, but I didn’t realize he was THAT good.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:21:36pm

Guns are essential. Jesus said so right there in the Last Testament.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:23:16pm

It pisses me off to no end that pastors are taking up the cry of martyrdom while defying social distancing orders. Martyrdom is being jailed and executed specifically because you are a Christian; what’s going on here is not specific to faith. Do you see Muslims attending mosque, or Jews attending synagogue? This isn’t about Christianity at all, and martyrdom is the wrong play to make. Stay the fuck home and stop appealing to the Tribulation to try to keep your rubes paying their tithes.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:23:57pm

re: #7 Ace Rothstein

Guns are essential. Jesus said so right there in the Last Testament.

Wasn’t that the Book of Revulsions?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:23:58pm

Just learned that the one confirmed case in my county is a 29-year-old man.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:24:54pm

re: #8 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It pisses me off to no end that pastors are taking up the cry of martyrdom while defying social distancing orders. Martyrdom is being jailed and executed specifically because you are a Christian; what’s going on here is not specific to faith. Do you see Muslims attending mosque, or Jews attending synagogue? This isn’t about Christianity at all, and martyrdom is the wrong play to make. Stay the fuck home and stop appealing to the Tribulation to try to keep your rubes paying their tithes.

Dying in a pandemic to own the libs.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:26:06pm

re: #11 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Dying in a pandemic to own the libs.

I got news for these folks: God is not going to give you a special crown because you caught coronavirus at a church meeting, especially since your decision could well have cost thousands of others their lives. Blood begets blood, assholes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:26:59pm
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William Lewis  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:27:43pm

Guns. Such a complicated thing here in America.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:27:54pm

Any word from WV? All our bordering states and DC have but WV.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:28:50pm

re: #8 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Premature martyrdom is a symptom of the culture’s general position that anything that inconveniences them, or prompts self-reflection, is an attack.

I’ve had people go into the “you can’t stop me” high dudgeon when I pointed out the theological problems with their reading of Revelations from a Christian perspective. It was a way of bypassing that they couldn’t justify their beliefs with the texts their beliefs were based on.

It’s a defense mechanism for their spiritual naricissism: anything that happens to them is persecution, everything that happens to everyone else is somehow deserved.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:29:36pm

re: #16 The Ghost of a Flea

Premature martyrdom is a symptom of the culture’s general position that anything that inconveniences them, or prompts self-reflection, is an attack.

I’ve had people go into the “you can’t stop me” high dudgeon when I pointed out the theological problems with their reading of Revelations from a Christian perspective.

It’s a defense mechanism for their spiritual naricissism: anything that happens to them is persecution, everything that happens to everyone else is somehow deserved.

*BOOM* Head shot.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:29:43pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

OK, so the joke’s not original, but I was bored and messing around with fonts on my laptop.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:29:54pm

Busy at the grocery store this afternoon, and like yesterday the streets seem busy, not as busy as normal, but busier than last week. As the days go by I think it’s going to be harder to keep people indoors.

At the store: most isles were stock full. Even the water isle was mostly full. There were eggs.

What was missing? The paper isle, empty again. Yesterday there was some toilet paper in a couple of brands I don’t normally buy. That lot was all gone today. Nary a sign of paper towels. Haven’t seen paper towels in almost two weeks.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:30:06pm

re: #9 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Wasn’t that the Book of Revulsions?

No, Genesis. Not the band.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:30:13pm

re: #15 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Any word from WV? All our bordering states and DC have but WV.

W.Va. DHHR confirms second coronavirus-related death

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:32:05pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:32:23pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

W.Va. DHHR confirms second coronavirus-related death

We’re near Harpers Ferry. Hoping that area is safe.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:32:23pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:33:11pm

re: #24 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

My spirit animal.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:33:42pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:34:36pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

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I really want to see her as our President some day. Kamala has the right stuff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:35:50pm
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Chrysicat  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:37:03pm

Unless I really misunderstood what “crackdown on drugs” means, anyway…

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Omar Comin’ Yo  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:37:43pm

OT and good night/day all.
Greg

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Filth Boogie in the Orange Room with @kochdylan

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:38:27pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:39:18pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:41:01pm

Man. I want to go skiing so bad.

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Fun powder day today, glad I can still get out to ski, but dialed it back to just mellow trees. 📸:@jason_dury @icelantic_skis @spyder_freeski @powder7 @bolle_eyewear.
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#skiing #powderday #jhdreaming #jacksonhole

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garzooma  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:42:14pm

It looks like the coronavirus project site out of the U. of Washington (https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections), is adjusting it’s projected death count upward. IIRC, it had recently projected something over 80K deaths. It’s now at 93,765.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:42:24pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:45:17pm

re: #34 garzooma

Last I checked, Minnesota’s had been revised down, twice. I blame Florida.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:45:47pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

Among the lessons people didn’t learn from Jonestown is that one third of the believers were willing to point guns at the other two-thirds to make them drink the poison.

While we might respect a committed believer who martyrs themselves, or the believer that fights and dies for a cause…a lot of people are willing to adopt the same framework of killing and dying for stupid, trivial things that they’ve decided are central to their self-concept.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:46:30pm

For you music fans, Adam Schlesinger of Fountains of Wayne died at 52 of COVID. Stacy’s Mom was a great pop rock anthem and Welcome Interstate Managers was a terrific album.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:49:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:49:11pm
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retired cynic  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:49:42pm

The Rude Pundit: Trump Must Resign or Be Removed from the Presidency

Something kind of extraordinary happened at Monday’s White House coronavirus task force press briefing. It happened when President Donald Trump asked Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Seema Verma to say a few words. She stepped up to the microphone and said, “Let me start by saying, I want to convey my deepest sympathies to those that have lost loved ones to the coronavirus. We’re all thinking of you.”

What was extraordinary was that it was the first time in at least a week, if ever, that anyone in the Trump administration recognized the families of the dead and offered any condolences. I have gone through days of briefings and Trump appearances, searching for some sign of compassion for the suffering, and this was the only example I could find.

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stpaulbear  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:49:47pm

re: #1 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Adam Schlesinger, age 52, passed away from covid-19.
variety.com

All Kinds Of Time

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:50:15pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wolf had been stymied by Republicans and especially radical Xtians. Already I have relatives in PA who say they will defy Wolf’s stay at home order…

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Dread Pirate  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:52:28pm
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garzooma  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:56:00pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wolf had been stymied by Republicans and especially radical Xtians. Already I have relatives in PA who say they will defy Wolf’s stay at home order…

Between this, the train derailment, and the death threats against Dr. Fauci, it’s obvious we have a significant number of deranged people who will do their best to sabotage the distancing efforts, and cause the death toll to blow past the current estimates.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:56:43pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:56:44pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:57:08pm

Well one thing for sure with this lockup into the bridal season. Lots of conceptions and no weddings.

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stpaulbear  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:57:21pm

re: #19 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Busy at the grocery store this afternoon, and like yesterday the streets seem busy, not as busy as normal, but busier than last week. As the days go by I think it’s going to be harder to keep people indoors.

At the store: most isles were stock full. Even the water isle was mostly full. There were eggs.

What was missing? The paper isle, empty again. Yesterday there was some toilet paper in a couple of brands I don’t normally buy. That lot was all gone today. Nary a sign of paper towels. Haven’t seen paper towels in almost two weeks.

I saw a few rolls of paper towels yesterday at Walgreens but it was $2 for a single roll.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:58:11pm

re: #48 Rightwingconspirator

Well one thing for sure with this lockup into the bridal season. Lots of conceptions and no weddings.

Bastard children, everywhere.

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:58:28pm

Two minute countown to Beer o clock.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2020 • 5:59:37pm

Brand new Phish album about to be streamed.

Phish - Sigma Oasis - Listening Party

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:00:00pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:05:29pm

Oh shit, now find out that a friend was rushed to the ER and was placed on a respirator…

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Chrysicat  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:06:31pm

re: #47 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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It’s a bad action, but anyone booked on a cruise beginning after Grand Princess, if not all the way back before that to “after Diamond Princess”, was quarantined should have run the other way.

And instead we were hearing about people who were dropping everything to jump on the cancelled slots because the new price was so low.

I’m not sure how we see a recovery in the cruise industry ever, though, since it’s the on mode of vacation that almost assures that if one person boards with a condition, the transmission rate will approach 80% by the end of the cruise.

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stpaulbear  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:06:44pm

re: #42 stpaulbear

I was listening to that Fountains of Wayne album a lot while driving back and forth to my parents house when my mom was dying of leukemia. I’d wind up sobbing when this song came on and I’m pretty sure the lyrics are a metaphor for the death of a friend. To me, the guitar solo is openly mourning.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:07:07pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:07:39pm

re: #34 garzooma

Note that in previous runs there was a very large error bar on that estimate. Actual counts have been above the two sigma level of the modeling run just a few days ago.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:09:42pm

re: #34 garzooma

A total of 93,765 US COVID-19 deaths (range of 41,399 to 177,381) are currently predicted through the epidemic’s first wave. These COVID-19 death predictions are higher than what was released on March 31, a difference of 11,624 deaths (though their estimated ranges overlapped). These estimates assume the strong continuation of statewide social distancing measures in places where they are already enacted, and future adoption within the next seven days in states without them. If such policies are relaxed or not implemented, the US could experience a higher COVID-19 death toll and hospital burden than what our models currently predict.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:14:41pm
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Belafon  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:14:57pm
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Belafon  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:16:21pm

Why Trump will never be king:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:17:40pm

re: #54 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh shit, now find out that a friend was rushed to the ER and was placed on a respirator…

Oh fuck. Let us know if there’s anything we can do to help.

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Cheechako  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:19:08pm

re: #49 stpaulbear

I saw a few rolls of paper towels yesterday at Walgreens but it was $2 for a single roll.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:20:28pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:21:13pm

With Alabama’s malls and soda shops closing, Chief Justice Roy Moore has time on his hands:

Roy Moore, ex-Alabama chief justice, to aid Central church defying coronavirus order
theadvocate.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:22:53pm

Global cases have increased 10x over exactly one month.

The milestone of one million cases likely will be reached by tomorrow.

Question: how long before the next milestone, of ten million cases worldwide? Will the reporting system(s) fail before then?

Note that the 1918 pandemic global case and death counts have been estimated after the fact. This is the first pandemic of this size since the internet era. SARS(1), MERS, Ebola are more deadly but they were contained quickly (with great effort.)

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plansbandc  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:22:56pm

We got a much appreciated paper towel delivery from Costco today.

Big case of Bounty.

It’s the little things…

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Chrysicat  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:26:24pm

Learned about what Hungary’s doing, so I twitsearched “gender at birth” and found this from yesterday:

To which I had to respond:

The person who coined “never let a crisis go to waste” must be in an 8th or 9th circle of Hell. Unless the place has been expanded to have more of them since Dante’s time.

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retired cynic  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:28:28pm

re: #62 Belafon

Why Trump will never be king:

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OT, but my father was there in WW2, and LOVED Garmisch-Partenkirchen. He was always on the lookout for photos from there. It was an outlier from his WW2 experiences. Other than that, he would not talk about it, and cried if pushed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:30:28pm

OT, but those green bean pickles?

Fantastic.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:30:54pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:33:12pm

Anybody else watching Rachel tonight? She’s been looking like she’s one second away from breaking down sobbing over the news.

And it’s her birthday today. (Or maybe that was yesterday.)

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:36:49pm

re: #73 i(m)p(each)sos

It’s today, she’s 47. And a national treasure.

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:36:51pm

re: #64 Cheechako

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Disloyal Archangel  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:38:23pm
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Ace Rothstein  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:39:23pm

re: #76 Disloyal Archangel

But if he bails out the oil companies, the price of gas will go up and our “tax cut” will disappear.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:40:02pm

re: #76 Disloyal Archangel

Alternate plan: He has to pay each individual American as much as he pays the oil companies. I, for one, wouldn’t turn down a couple hundred billion. Set my family up for generations, methinks.

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lawhawk  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:45:04pm

re: #38 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

For you music fans, Adam Schlesinger of Fountains of Wayne died at 52 of COVID. Stacy’s Mom was a great pop rock anthem and Welcome Interstate Managers was a terrific album.

RIP Adam.I regularly passed by the store Fountains of Wayne on which the band took its name. It’s out on Route 46 right by the spaghetti junction with Rts 46, 23, and Interstate 80. It became an electronics store.

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Jay C  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:45:54pm

re: #78 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Alternate plan: He has to pay each individual American as much as he pays the oil companies. I, for one, wouldn’t turn down a couple hundred billion. Set my family up for generations, methinks.

Except by the time it gets set up, the price of gasoline will be $1 million a gallon,….

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Dave In Austin  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:46:25pm

re: #75 The Pie Overlord!

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:47:56pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:49:01pm

re: #82 DodgerFan1988

To be fair, I’m not sure how much better off they are in the diseased state of Florida than on the diseased cruise ship.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:49:44pm

I was scrolling through channels, and when I came across Faux, some one named Dr. Oz was on Blockhead Hannity’s show. The chyron said something about chloroquine. Is this Oz person a quack?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:50:25pm

$2T divided by 330M is a bit over $6k/person.

I’d rather that be the “stimulus”. I could use $6k much more than $1.2k .

$6k/person can make quite a difference in people’s lives. And many people will spend it, not save it, which means commerce would boom, and many companies would hire.

But corporate officers holding millions in their own shares wouldn’t benefit so much.

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sagehen  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:50:43pm

re: #84 Ace Rothstein

I was scrolling through channels, and when I came across Faux, some one named Dr. Oz was on Blockhead Hannity’s show. The chyron said something about chloroquine. Is this Oz person a quack?

He’s one of Oprah’s favored woo peddlers.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:50:55pm

re: #84 Ace Rothstein

Oz is a well known TV personality. Fox uses him to sound smart.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:51:02pm

Shouldn’t the “Supply Chain” be making a semblance of recovery by now.
Are the TP Gnomes not working the mills at full capacity? Are there no more Clorox Capacitors?

Are they not cutting the trees?!?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:51:19pm

re: #84 Ace Rothstein

I was scrolling through channels, and when I came across Faux, some one named Dr. Oz was on Blockhead Hannity’s show. The chyron said something about chloroquine. Is this Oz person a quack?

One of the biggest there is, but sadly, he’s taken seriously by some pretty big names.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:51:41pm

Dr. Oz is firmly in the “Oh Christ, this asshole again” category.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:51:52pm

re: #385 stpaulbear

Yep. Both Mpls & StP stores.

Also Oarfolkjokeopus, The Electric Fetus, and Let It Be Records in Mpls, Cheapo (where Grant Hart and Bob Mould met each other) and Flip Side in StP. Road Runner was probably around back then too but I discovered it much later. Probably another half-dozen stores I’m forgetting. The record store scene in the Twin Cities is the reason the music scene was so good.

A good friend of mine, who played in a band on the Twin City circuit in the 1980s, worked there for a couple of years from 1986-1988, I think (Northern Lights). I went up to see him in 1987 and we saw so many great shows. What a magical decade or so.

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:56:16pm

re: #81 Dave In Austin

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lawhawk  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:56:27pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

And then there’s Brit Hume claiming that the death toll isn’t as bad because NY is inflating the death toll. He’s trying to claim that people aren’t dying of covid19.

They’re grasping at straws to say and do anything to deflect from fact that Trump’s failures are absolute and complete. They want to deflect by saying that these people would have died of other causes and covid19 isn’t to blame (except that but for covid19, these people would still be alive).

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:56:49pm

re: #84 Ace Rothstein

I was scrolling through channels, and when I came across Faux, some one named Dr. Oz was on Blockhead Hannity’s show. The chyron said something about chloroquine. Is this Oz person a quack?

Yes.

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lawhawk  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:58:08pm

re: #89 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oprah unleashed the toxic twins Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil on the world.

Both are absolutely toxic and give the medical profession a bad name.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:59:14pm

re: #93 lawhawk

And then there’s Brit Hume claiming that the death toll isn’t as bad because NY is inflating the death toll. He’s trying to claim that people aren’t dying of covid19.

They’re grasping at straws to say and do anything to deflect from fact that Trump’s failures are absolute and complete. They want to deflect by saying that these people would have died of other causes and covid19 isn’t to blame (except that but for covid19, these people would still be alive).

There are seventeen Minnesotans tonight who would beg to disagree with that assertion. Not all of them are in the “would have died anyway” category. Fuck those Trump-humpers.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:59:15pm

re: #83 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

To be fair, I’m not sure how much better off they are in the diseased state of Florida than on the diseased cruise ship.

The comparison with 9/11 is misleading; Canada had no concern that the American passengers posed any threat to them. Here, everyone is terrified. Of course, if DeSantis really was worried about coronavirus, he would have shut the beaches weeks ago. The only thing that worries him is money (or lack thereof), not the threat that this disease poses to the people in his state, but the threat it poses to the bottom line.

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2020 • 6:59:57pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:00:50pm

re: #82 DodgerFan1988

Some people still remember that Canada smuggled some Americans out of Tehran during the embassy hostage episode. Although that scene in the movie where the Revolutionary Guard chases a 747 down the runway did not happen, the takeoff jet wash would have shredded them.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:01:00pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Oprah unleashed the toxic twins Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil on the world.

Both are absolutely toxic and give the medical profession a bad name.

Dr. Phil, at least, has some sound and sage advice from time to time (stopped clock, twice a day, etc., etc.) Dr. Oz has no redeeming qualities whatsoever; he’s a quack and a smarmy smug backpfeifengesicht.

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EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:03:31pm

re: #98 jaunte

I’d like to see $45,000 worth of rusty golf equipment be shoved up Trump’s voluminous ass.

Sending the cleats up there with a driver would be a big crowd pleaser.

Fuck Trump and every single one of his horrid GOP and media enablers.

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Cheechako  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:06:06pm

re: #98 jaunte

Why the fuck doesn’t the Secret Service just buy their own golf carts, put them on a trailer and move them to where ever the doofus is playing golf?

On second thought - might be a shortage from people hoarding golf carts.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:06:16pm

I’ve hit this jump, I landed it. It’s in Winter Park under the Panoramic chairlift.

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austin_blue  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:07:32pm

From downstairs:

re: #297 gocart mozart

This thread is 92 tweets long (1 per day) and each tweet is the same. That’s dedication

[Embedded content]

Busboys: There Goes The Neighborhood

Busboys There Goes The Neighborhood

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:07:41pm

re: #102 Cheechako

Remember when we had a president who could walk 18 holes? Those were the days.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:08:44pm

The Boston Globe comes out and says it: “The president has blood on his hands.”

About damn time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:09:21pm

re: #100 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Dr. Phil, at least, has some sound and sage advice from time to time (stopped clock, twice a day, etc., etc.) Dr. Oz has no redeeming qualities whatsoever; he’s a quack and a smarmy smug backpfeifengesicht.

Dr. Oz has legitimate credentials: he’s a cardiothoracic surgeon and his judgement in that area is undoubtedly sound. But you are not likely to make a fortune on TV discussing topics in that arena and unfortunately for us all, he decided to espouse theories that are totally unrelated to his area of expertise, but very helpful to his bank account.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:11:01pm

re: #107 Hecuba’s daughter

Dr. Oz has legitimate credentials: he’s a cardiothoracic surgeon and his judgement in that area is undoubtedly sound. But you are not likely to make a fortune on TV discussing topics in that arena and unfortunately for us all, he decided to espouse theories that are totally unrelated to his area of expertise, but very helpful to his bank account.

Dunning-Kruger writ large.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:19:46pm

re: #45 garzooma

Between this, the train derailment, and the death threats against Dr. Fauci, it’s obvious we have a significant number of deranged people who will do their best to sabotage the distancing efforts, and cause the death toll to blow past the current estimates.

I wonder that if in part the reason the gun stores were deemed “essential” was that some advisers said that closing them would potentially trigger the nut bars into thinking “the takeover” was actually starting.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:23:12pm

re: #108 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Dunning-Kruger writ large.

Or just a smart con man. Dr. Oz is a professor at Columbia University. OTOH, maybe you are right; people with high IQs are not exempt from believing that one area of expertise translates to another totally different area and he could very well be arrogant enough to think he is an expert when he lacks the in-depth knowledge and judgement to provide useful or accurate advice in other aspects of medicine..

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BeachDem  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:29:17pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Oprah unleashed the toxic twins Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil on the world.

Both are absolutely toxic and give the medical profession a bad name.

Don’t forget her embrace of Marianne Williamson—another toxic addition to the mix.

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:32:42pm

AWWWWWWWW

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:32:56pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:35:29pm

Always a Tweet

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Dread Pirate  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:37:37pm
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makeitstop  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:39:17pm

Steve Schmidt is all out of fucks.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:40:19pm

re: #100 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Dr. Phil, at least, has some sound and sage advice from time to time (stopped clock, twice a day, etc., etc.) Dr. Oz has no redeeming qualities whatsoever; he’s a quack and a smarmy smug backpfeifengesicht.

Mehmet Oz is actually a board-certified cardiothoracic surgeon. Like Ben Carson, once upon a time he knew how to practice medicine, but now he has given that up and pursues internet quackery and putting his MD behind the sort of old wives’ tales and sensationalist garbage that sells on daytime television. He has exactly as much credibility as the regular FOX MD, Keith Ablow, that they truck out for the rubes.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:42:11pm

re: #112 The Pie Overlord!

AWWWWWWWW

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related? our pup—

She’s absorbed my exhaustion.
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BeachDem  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:43:11pm

As I cannot/will not watch the cretinous rally gaggles, does anyone know—after the “misunderstanding” of Mexican and domestic, did the asshole ever have any response to the fear of increasing domestic violence during isolation?

I know that after donating to the food bank, my next donation was to the women’s shelter—it’s a huge problem here during the best of times (SC is always in the top 5 dv murder states), and I fear it will escalate badly with people confined in close quarters—with guns at the ready. The Post and Courier won a Pulitzer in 2015 for “Till Death Do Us Part”—riveting and sad. It begins:

More than 300 women were shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten, bludgeoned or burned to death over the past decade by men in South Carolina, dying at a rate of one every 12 days while the state does little to stem the carnage from domestic abuse.

More than three times as many women have died here at the hands of current or former lovers than the number of Palmetto State soldiers killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.
postandcourier.com

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stpaulbear  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:45:39pm

re: #112 The Pie Overlord!

AWWWWWWWW

[Embedded content]

Did he go to cute puppy central casting to get that dog? He’s made for TV. :)

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EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:46:09pm

re: #117 Renaissance_Man

Mehmet Oz is actually a board-certified cardiothoracic surgeon. Like Ben Carson, once upon a time he knew how to practice medicine, but now he has given that up and pursues internet quackery and putting his MD behind the sort of old wives’ tales and sensationalist garbage that sells on daytime television. He has exactly as much credibility as the regular FOX MD, Keith Ablow, that they truck out for the rubes.

I’m sure Dr. Oz’s new career of selling snake oil to rubes is far more lucrative and far less demanding than his former career as a doctor.

Free market fundamentalists would have us believe that we live in the best of all possible worlds and that distortions like this must be celebrated as optimal performance of the sacred ‘free market’.

To which my response is FUCK NO.

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:46:50pm

Gym Jordan wants a break. I suggest his right knee.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:49:29pm
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makeitstop  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:49:46pm

re: #122 The Pie Overlord!

Gym Jordan wants a break. I suggest his right knee.

[Embedded content]

‘Elbow or ankle?’

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:49:52pm

Re-posting this. When I made this, it was a bit of hyperbole. Now, not so much.

Never let them live it down.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:52:20pm

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

[Embedded content]

Another guy I heard of thought he could capture Moscow before the winter set in. Win some, lose some.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:53:50pm

re: #126 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Another guy I heard of thought he could capture Moscow before the winter set in. Win some, lose some.

The virus doesn’t care about your feelings.

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:58:37pm

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

We need to know who those “aides” were.

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 1, 2020 • 7:59:20pm

re: #128 jaunte

We need to know who those “aides” were.

Jared and Ivanka.

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The Pie Overlord!  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:08:17pm

So here is the corporate plan for all the high-tech midrange professionals:

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:09:43pm

re: #130 The Pie Overlord!

We are all Amazons now. Or will be.

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gocart mozart  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:10:52pm

Today in “What would Hitler say if he had a show on Fox?”

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A Three Hour Tour  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:11:35pm

re: #84 Ace Rothstein

I was scrolling through channels, and when I came across Faux, some one named Dr. Oz was on Blockhead Hannity’s show. The chyron said something about chloroquine. Is this Oz person a quack?

This Dr. Oz is yet another blight Oprah foisted on the American people.

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:13:24pm

re: #132 gocart mozart

Tucker Carlson announces 6’ 1” height limit, and no jumping, for professional basketball.

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:13:30pm

re: #130 The Pie Overlord!

So here is the corporate plan for all the high-tech midrange professionals:

[Embedded content]

It read as moving check-out people from Kohl’s to Albertson’s.

As for techs, if anyone is willing to move to Greenville/Rockwall and is a software engineer, L3Harris is still hiring.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:14:39pm

re: #130 The Pie Overlord!

So here is the corporate plan for all the high-tech midrange professionals:

[Embedded content]

Labor as a commodity, not an asset.

Just like outsourcing it looks good for the bottom line until you need that corporate expertise that went elsewhere, or hit a crunch and are told that you’re in the middle of a queue to get the resources you need now.

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:15:29pm
MAN SHOT, ARRESTED: A 35-year-old Battle Creek man was treated at Bronson Battle Creek after Battle Creek police said he shot himself in the leg with a gun he purchased as protection because of the coronavirus outbreak. Officers were called to the hospital at 1:10 a.m. Monday when the man arrived by private vehicle with a gunshot wound to his right thigh. He told police he had argued with a man near a gas station at Capital Avenue and Goguac Street and the other man shot him. He said he went home and his wife drove him to the hospital. However when police went to the man’s home on Goguac Street to investigate, they found blood and a shell casing near the living room couch. When police questioned the man again, he first said he had been shot by someone else but then admitted he accidentally shot himself. Police found a 9mm handgun in the man’s dresser. He was arrested on charges of being a felon in possession of a firearm and reckless discharge of a weapon. No one else was injured. The man’s wife said he just recently purchased the gun because he thought he might need it if there is chaos because of the coronavirus.

battlecreekenquirer.com

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:16:36pm
139
makeitstop  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:17:57pm

I’m seeing more of a groundswell against Fox this time. The stakes here are literally life or death, and they’ve been serving up non-stop bad info.

But someone pointed out that if Fox gets their time in the barrel, eyes should be kept on Sinclair Broadcasting. And if Fox starts to have real legal trouble I guess OANN will make the move to replace them.

If we get President Biden, he should definitely revisit the Communications Act. Broadcast outlets get away with murder, and I’d like to see local ownership requirements brought back.

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:19:20pm

In a story that resonates with the train crash earlier…

This Venezuelan Patrol Ship Sunk Itself After Ramming A Cruise Liner With A Reinforced Hull
The Venezuelan ship appears to have been trying to seize the cruise ship, which is designed to safely sail through icy waters.

WTF?

141
gocart mozart  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:19:30pm
142
plansbandc  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:21:09pm
143
VegasGolfer  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:23:37pm

Fox News bot speechless

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:25:58pm

The rest of that page is pretty wild as well:

Woman found in shed after crash:

CRASH VICTIM FOUND: A 29-year-old Battle Creek woman was found in a shed about 12 hours after she and others walked away from a car crash in Emmett Township. The owner of the shed on Cathedral Lane found the woman about 11 a.m. Tuesday covered with a tarp and sleeping. She had some minor injuries including to her leg, from a crash reported at 11:14 p.m. Monday a short distance away in the 13500 block of Beadle Lake Road. Emmett Township police said a Chevrolet Caprice was northbound when it left the roadway and hit a fence and tree. Witnesses said they saw two or three people leave the scene, including a woman who was limping. Officers searched the area but didn’t find anyone until the woman was located the next morning. She told police she was a passenger in the car and her brothers left her in the shed and said they would return for her. Police have not located any other people and the crash remains under investigation.

Woman with .212 BAC beats man with crutch:

MAN ASSAULTED WITH CRUTCH: A 32-year-old Battle Creek woman was arrested on an assault charge after Battle Creek police said she repeatedly struck a Battle Creek man, 63, with a crutch. Officers were called to the Shell Gas Station at 866 Capital Ave. S.W. at 7:11 p.m. Monday and when they arrived saw the man on the ground and the woman hitting him with both ends of the crutch. When she stopped, she began to walk away from officers, who then used an electric stun gun to subdue and handcuff her. Two other witnesses who had been in a car with the victim and the woman said they picked her up near Capital Avenue and Territorial Road when she asked for a ride. She became upset because she was sitting in the back seat and began to pull on the sweatshirt of the driver. He pulled into the gas station and he and the front seat passenger, using crutches, went inside. The woman began fighting with the older man and they both got out of the car. She went inside and took a crutch from the front seat passenger and went outside and began hitting the man with it and continued even after officers arrived. Police said the woman was intoxicated with a 0.212 blood alcohol level when she was arrested. A driver in Michigan is considered legally intoxicated with a blood alcohol level of 0.08.

How old was he when is child was born?

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE: Battle Creek police are seeking a warrant for a man, 33, after his granddaughter, 15, said he pushed her during an argument about his missing razor at 7:26 p.m. Monday in the 100 block of North 23rd Street.

battlecreekenquirer.com

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:26:01pm

re: #140 Rightwingconspirator

$250 million down the drain.

146
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:28:09pm

re: #137 Belafon

battlecreekenquirer.com

MAN SHOT, ARRESTED: A 35-year-old Battle Creek man was treated at Bronson Battle Creek after Battle Creek police said he shot himself in the leg with a gun he purchased as protection because of the coronavirus outbreak. Officers were called to the hospital at 1:10 a.m. Monday when the man arrived by private vehicle with a gunshot wound to his right thigh. He told police he had argued with a man near a gas station at Capital Avenue and Goguac Street and the other man shot him. He said he went home and his wife drove him to the hospital. However when police went to the man’s home on Goguac Street to investigate, they found blood and a shell casing near the living room couch. When police questioned the man again, he first said he had been shot by someone else but then admitted he accidentally shot himself. Police found a 9mm handgun in the man’s dresser. He was arrested on charges of being a felon in possession of a firearm and reckless discharge of a weapon. No one else was injured. The man’s wife said he just recently purchased the gun because he thought he might need it if there is chaos because of the coronavirus.

Sounds minor and almost comical by our jaded cultural standards. If you’re the shootee, though, it is major trauma.
OUCH!

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:30:13pm
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jaunte  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:30:29pm
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Belafon  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:32:12pm

If every human suddenly disappeared, animals would move in in an hour.

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sagehen  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:33:36pm

re: #139 makeitstop

[Embedded content]

If we get President Biden, he should definitely revisit the Communications Act. Broadcast outlets get away with murder, and I’d like to see local ownership requirements brought back.

Cable outlets are not subject to the same rules as broadcast (which uses a sliver of publicly owned airwaves).

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Disloyal Archangel  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:41:43pm
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:41:54pm

re: #126 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Another guy I heard of thought he could capture Moscow before the winter set in. Win some, lose some.

That’s a tough one - the guy with the toothbrush mustache might well have captured Moscow before winter set in had he stuck to his original timetable, instead of postponing Barbarossa for six weeks…..just so he could invade a small Balkan nation that had dared to defy him.

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makeitstop  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:48:52pm

re: #150 sagehen

Cable outlets are not subject to the same rules as broadcast (which uses a sliver of publicly owned airwaves).

I realize that, and my mention of local ownership was more directed at Sinclair. After the Communications Act of ‘95, Clear Channel went wild buying up small stations, and Sinclair has followed that model. The two news stations in New York City are owned by the same company. I’d like to see radio back in local hands, because no matter what cable news does, local radio stations should reflect local concerns, not have their content beamed in from wherever.

Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine. If Rush Limbaugh wasn’t able to get wide syndication when he started, how different would things be right now?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:53:32pm

re: #148 jaunte

That’s pretty much identical to the emergency regulations we’ve been following here in Czech Republic for the last few weeks. It can be an N95 respirator, a surgical mask, hell even a scarf or a bandanna - as long as it covers the mouth and nose when you’re out in public.

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austin_blue  Apr 1, 2020 • 8:54:32pm

re: #137 Belafon

battlecreekenquirer.com

He was arrested on charges of being a felon in possession of a firearm and reckless discharge of a weapon.

How did he pass a background check?

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William Lewis  Apr 1, 2020 • 9:09:13pm

re: #155 austin_blue

He was arrested on charges of being a felon in possession of a firearm and reckless discharge of a weapon.

How did he pass a background check?

I’m gonna say either Gun show or private purchase.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 1, 2020 • 9:38:19pm

re: #55 Chrysicat

It’s a bad action, but anyone booked on a cruise beginning after Grand Princess, if not all the way back before that to “after Diamond Princess”, was quarantined should have run the other way.

And instead we were hearing about people who were dropping everything to jump on the cancelled slots because the new price was so low.

I’m not sure how we see a recovery in the cruise industry ever, though, since it’s the on mode of vacation that almost assures that if one person boards with a condition, the transmission rate will approach 80% by the end of the cruise.

One little correction — a major outbreak of something like norovirus on a ship might infect 10% of the complement. Most of them don’t get higher than 5%.

Also, a few years back, my traveling companion came down with the flu the day after we boarded and the “transmission rate” was zero. Not even I got it, and we were in the same cabin.

I’m certainly not the only person who will be glad to get back on a cruise ship once they’re up and runnung again.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 1, 2020 • 9:40:33pm

re: #61 Belafon

I love that “screened for covid-19.” How, by being isolated and quarantined for 14 days before being allowed in?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 1, 2020 • 9:42:12pm

re: #133 A Three Hour Tour

This Dr. Oz is yet another blight Oprah foisted on the American people.

My MIL watches Oz and listens to him. I gave her an earful that she had to listen to her doctor, Oz is a fucking fraud hustling bullshit and then I lost my shit on her that if she listened to him again I’d tell her daughter (who’ll never let that go). Oz infuriates me.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 1, 2020 • 9:48:21pm

re: #99 The Pie Overlord!

Some people still remember that Canada smuggled some Americans out of Tehran during the embassy hostage episode. Although that scene in the movie where the Revolutionary Guard chases a 747 down the runway did not happen, the takeoff jet wash would have shredded them.

I read the book after I saw the movie, and what happened in the movie was everything they imagined might go wrong (but didn’t, fortunately). The actual rescue went smoothly.


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