Tina Guo: “Moonhearts in Space” (Ft. Serj Tankian)

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From the album DIES IRAE (2021)
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LYRICS:

I want to know
where you go
To your home
That we all live in space

We need to find
A new way to survive
And we look up at you
But we’re all in space,

A hand in the hour of need,
An hour in the need of a drink,
A drink in the body of an addict,
An addict in the body of a child’s mind,
A child’s mind in the need of a father,

Spinning varieties of psycho plastic nonchalant
Star glazers at best.
A cello, a tangerine field
Engulfed by fire,

You were undressed
With your lies I confess,
But I don’t want to know,
Cause we’re going to space,

Children, let’s pretend
We can see everything
But we can’t,
I can make the pain go away,
No you can’t !

Going to space….

We need to find
That one thing that defines
What we are to this place
Yet we’re going to space,
Going to space,
Stay in our place,
We’re going to space,
Staying in our place
Going to space
We erase the past,
We erase our mask,

Our fate isn’t determined
By humanity,
Our fate is determined
By depravity.

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243 comments
1
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:22:55am

We assumed that rational arguments and majorities would put an end to the Culture Wars, but we forgot the extent to which they are based on totally irrational beliefs and the RW and Fundamentalist nutjobs have seen that there is no such thing as Too Crazy to be taken seriously by our balance-obsessed media

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:23:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:25:19am
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:27:21am

“Collective good? Sounds communist.”

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No Malarkey!  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:28:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:29:54am
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:31:48am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

What is sauce for the goose is good enough for the gander. Or something like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:32:05am
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No Malarkey!  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:32:24am

Reminder, you have to go through metal detectors to enter the Kentucky Capitol, unless you are openly carrying a firearm.

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darthstar  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:33:00am

Good morning. Does not suck here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:33:26am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

How the fuck are we at herd immunity when hospitals are overflowing?

I just fucking can’t with these people, man.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:33:43am

re: #10 darthstar

Very nice. Looks like my kind of place.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:34:54am
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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:35:11am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, I am a skilled napper!

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No Malarkey!  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:35:12am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

How the fuck are we at herd immunity when hospitals are overflowing?

I just fucking can’t with these people, man.

They are all crisis actors./

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:35:39am

Waiting on apologies from all those assholes who said vaccines don’t protect others.

(Yeah, I know, I know…)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:36:40am
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darthstar  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:37:17am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

Very nice. Looks like my kind of place.

This beach is often this crowded. Why I love it so much. Surf is flat but we’re going to go float around for a bit anyway, then try a couple of other breaks on the island.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:38:03am

Nate’s not necessarily wrong with that one, but overall he’s been really bad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:39:49am

American slaves were not confiscated, they were liberated. Apologists seem to fail to appreciate that distinction.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:40:13am

Video reminds me of Missing Persons

Missing Persons - Words

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:41:17am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

American slaves were not confiscated, they were liberated. Apologists seem to fail to appreciate that distinction.

and Lincoln decreed that slaveowners be compensated up to $300 per slave

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Teukka  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:41:19am

So a thought mean little me has planted in various places…
Yes, it is likely that a variant which is able to evade the vaccine will emerge.
But so is a variant against which the vaccine still works, but which has double-digit mortality figures for unvaccinated individuals..

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:43:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:43:44am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

and Lincoln decreed that slaveowners be compensated up to $300 per slave

Money which by all rights should have been handed to the slaves as (partial) compensation for the work stolen from them…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:44:17am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:45:44am

From the previous thread, because I’m slow.

re: #278 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Hard to tell what’s going on with the Miller detention. He had participated in the big fascist conclave with Bolsonaro and his platform is quite popular among Brazilian RWNJs. I don’t think this is part of some kind of putsch by anti-Bolsonaro forces, since Moraes the rapporteur is a Bolso loyalist, though not well known as such. Bolsonaro may be ready to cut loose from Trumpism and the sinking ship. Maybe he has talked to Cheney.

Interesting also that his son Eduardo was in Washington for the big Klanbake on January 6.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:49:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:49:38am

Example of how things go downhill quickly on twitter:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:50:33am

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn, Marc is on it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:53:26am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:54:08am
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The GOP is a terrorist organization  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:55:28am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Larry Elder defended Michael Vick’s dog fighting. Something like “Dogs are property, and their owners can do whatever they want with them.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:55:35am

Twitter trend.

twitter.com

Afghanistan’s health system close to collapse following Taliban takeover, its health minister warns
Reports of hundreds of clinics and hospitals closing as they run out of fuel, food and medicine

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:56:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:58:23am
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ckkatz  Sep 7, 2021 • 10:59:11am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Yup, even the article’s headline doesn’t say that.

“Virginia is set to remove Richmond’s Lee statue on Wednesday”

Guessing the flack that tweeted added it?

Reminds me of the time I drove down Monument Ave in Richmond from the North. My father-in-law (a native Southern Virginian) was giving directions. He brought us onto Monument Ave right at the Jeb Stuart Statue.

And my windshield was suddenly filled with the view of the Northern end of a South facing horse. My response to was “That’s a nice welcome”.

FiL was actually a really nice guy, btw. Had been a farmer, spent his retirement grading tobacco for the local tobacco auction house.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:00:20am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Representative Pelosi has literally zero control over anything that goes on in the other chamber. She is a powerful Democrat, but not all-powerful. It bears repeating that Democrats, unlike our moronic counterparts on the other side of the aisle, do not belong to a cult of personality that idolizes the beliefs of a single individual and requires party members to swear allegiance to those beliefs or risk their careers being terminated prematurely.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:01:06am

Kyrsten Sinema is the biggest waste of space that ever got elected to the U.S. Senate.

Change my mind.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:02:02am

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

Kyrsten Sinema is the biggest waste of space that ever got elected to the U.S. Senate.

Change my mind.

Senator Rafael “Ted” Cruz (R - TX) would beg to differ.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:02:20am

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

Kyrsten Sinema is the biggest waste of space that ever got elected to the U.S. Senate.

Change my mind.

Let me introduce Joe Manchin

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:03:14am

Another epidemic underway in India while the current epidemic still rages.

Nipah virus kills boy, 12, sparking a health emergency in southern India (The Telegraph)

Authorities are racing to identify more than 180 people the boy came into contact with before he died

The death of a 12-year-old boy from the deadly Nipah virus has sparked a health emergency in the southern Indian state of Kerala, as the authorities race to identify more than 180 people he came into contact with.

Before he died, the boy was admitted to five separate hospitals in Kerala and already two healthcare workers, as well as his mother, have been isolated after developing symptoms.

The World Health Organization (WHO) lists Nipah as a virus with pandemic potential. It attacks the brain, can spread from human-to-human and has a fatality rate as high as 75 per cent.

Kerala has previously seen several outbreaks of Nipah and in 2018, 17 out of the 18 people infected died. India’s worst outbreak of the virus occurred in 2001 in the northwestern state of West Bengal when 45 out of 66 people confirmed to have had Nipah died.

Public health experts are concerned the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic could result in this Nipah outbreak becoming the worst in India’s history. Kerala is reporting over 60 percent of India’s new daily Covid-19 cases and its hospitals are already overflowing.

(more)

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ckkatz  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:04:34am

Don’t have the highest opinion of Sinema. But she does provide the extremely useful service of keeping McConnell the minority leader.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:06:00am

re: #43 ckkatz

Don’t have the highest opinion of Sinema. But she does provide the extremely useful service of keeping McConnell the minority leader.

The same is true of Manchin. Republicans in the Senate are actively worthless; they literally do nothing except delay, delay, delay, and then vote on tax cuts for the rich and judges. They haven’t governed since 1992.

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Teukka  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:06:38am

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Another epidemic underway in India while the current epidemic still rages.

Nipah virus kills boy, 12, sparking a health emergency in southern India (The Telegraph)

Authorities are racing to identify more than 180 people the boy came into contact with before he died

(more)

When I first heard of CoViD-19, my first thought wasn’t something related to the SARS virus, but actually that they had a Nipah outbreak on their hands…

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The GOP is a terrorist organization  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:07:24am

re: #33 The GOP is a terrorist organization

Larry Elder defended Michael Vick’s dog fighting. Something like “Dogs are property, and their owners can do whatever they want with them.”

He also had Colin Flaherty (“White Girl Bleed A lot”) on his show.

larryelder.com

And I believe Chuck C Johnson was a frequent guest at one time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:07:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:08:36am
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:09:47am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

“…The rape kit backlog has received quite a bit of press in the past weeks thanks to a great article by Brandi Grissom in The Texas Tribune. Grissom reports that about 16,000 kits are sitting untested in Houston. Over in San Antonio, the backlog is estimated to be between 5,200 and 11,500 kits, according to several CBS reports, while in Dallas, KDAF reported that officials estimated that the number of untested kits there could be as high as 10,000.”
endthebacklog.org

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:09:56am

re: #5 No Malarkey!

So Nate Silver is quoting a New York Times writer who’s claim to fame is that Tara Parker-Pope is an author of books on general health.

Why does he keep promoting people who are not qualified to weigh in on infectious disease, much less an epidemic?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:10:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:17:01am
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:18:12am

Out on front porch having a smoke a few minutes ago. This traffic on my quiet street has got to be stopped.

What goes Clip-clop clip-clop BANG clip-clop clip-clop?
Amish drive by shooting

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:18:18am

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

legitimate rape, anyone?

time to bring back that classic

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:18:32am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Example of how things go downhill quickly on twitter:

Everyone has one thing they are extreme about. It’s just the curse of dimensionality.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:19:25am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

legitimate rape, anyone?

time to bring back that classic

Men desperately want rape to be this specific subset of things they see on Law and Order: Special Victims Unit so that they can feel better about themselves at night. No one wants to think of themselves as an abuser or a rapist.

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ckkatz  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:19:27am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

This seems to be a certain reporter’s attempt to say “Nancy Pelosi of the House, let’s you and Sinema of the Senate go fight”. The phrase I’ve usually seen for this type of nonsense is ‘shit-stirring’.

iirc, there is a reporter from the WashPost who also likes to do that.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:20:39am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

That reminds me of some old news. There would have been an Uncle Ruckus movie if the Kickstarter did well.
cancelled-movies.fandom.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:20:59am

re: #56 Dopamine Fish

rape is sex without consent, simple as that…

but the word itself triggers extreme responses among many

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mmmirele  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:21:32am

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

Kyrsten Sinema is the biggest waste of space that ever got elected to the U.S. Senate.

Change my mind.

No disagreement here. She’s useless. I can’t wait to vote her contrary self OUT.

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Jay C  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:22:12am

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

The face and ears seems to be coming along pretty well, though!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:22:47am

Three former National Football League (NFL) players have pleaded guilty for their roles in a nationwide scheme to defraud a health care benefit program for retired NFL players. A total of 15 defendants have pleaded guilty in connection with this scheme.

Clinton Portis, 40, of Fort Mill, South Carolina, and Tamarick Vanover, 47, of Tallahassee, Florida, pleaded guilty on Friday, Sept. 3. Robert McCune, 40, of Riverdale, Georgia, pleaded guilty on Aug. 24. The former players admitted to participating in a scheme to defraud the Gene Upshaw NFL Player Health Reimbursement Account Plan (the Plan). The Plan was established pursuant to the NFL’s 2006 collective bargaining agreement and provided for tax-free reimbursement of out-of-pocket medical care expenses that were not covered by insurance, and that were incurred by former players, their spouses, and their dependents - up to a maximum of $350,000 per player.

According to court documents, Portis caused the submission of false and fraudulent claims to the Plan on his behalf over a two-month period, obtaining $99,264 in benefits for expensive medical equipment that was not actually provided. Vanover recruited three other former NFL players into the fraudulent scheme and assisted them in causing false and fraudulent claims to be submitted to the Plan, obtaining $159,510 for expensive medical equipment that was not actually provided. McCune orchestrated the nationwide fraud, which resulted in approximately $2.9 million in false and fraudulent claims being submitted to the Plan and the Plan paying out approximately $2.5 million on those claims between June 2017 and April 2018.

Portis and Vanover pleaded guilty two days after a trial against them resulted in a hung jury and a mistrial on certain counts against Vanover. McCune, the third defendant in that trial, pleaded guilty to all charges against him on the second day of trial. A retrial on the charges against Portis and Vanover had been scheduled to begin today.

ETA

Portis and Vanover were originally indicted, along with McCune and seven other defendants, in the Eastern District of Kentucky in December 2019 for their roles in the fraud. Since the initial charges were announced, five additional retired NFL players were charged in the scheme. All 12 of the other defendants charged have pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit health care fraud: Joseph Horn, Correll Buckhalter, Carlos Rogers, James Butler, Etric Pruitt, Ceandris Brown, John Eubanks, Antwan Odom, Darrell Reid, Anthony Montgomery, Fredrick Bennett, and Donald “Reche” Caldwell, who passed away in June 2020.

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ckkatz  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:23:06am

re: #53 Eventual Carrion

Hah!

I thought that you were up near Mercer County, not Lancaster County.

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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:24:35am

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

Kyrsten Sinema is the biggest waste of space that ever got elected to the U.S. Senate.

Change my mind.

Any current “R”
But I take your point

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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:29:25am

re: #38 Dopamine Fish

Representative Pelosi has literally zero control over anything that goes on in the other chamber. She is a powerful Democrat, but not all-powerful. It bears repeating that Democrats, unlike our moronic counterparts on the other side of the aisle, do not belong to a cult of personality that idolizes the beliefs of a single individual and requires party members to swear allegiance to those beliefs or risk their careers being terminated prematurely.

Manchin is *mostly* doing theater

Beyond that, when things are going poorly for the infrastructure bills, Manchin becomes a member of Team Blue, and talks about their importance and his willingness to support them. When things are going well, on the other hand, he puts on his Team Joe uniform and starts expressing reservations. There is zero chance that the Democrats are going to “pause” these discussions until November or December. There’s always some background crisis going on, and waiting risks a loss of momentum, as well as entangling the infrastructure bills with the debt ceiling and budget bills, which would be a political nightmare. Manchin understands this, which means he also understands that he has maximum leverage right now. With the bills having achieved “too big to fail” status, and with a vote imminent, he no longer needs to pull for Team Blue. He can pretend to be a potential holdout, and then reap the benefits as Democrats throw some pork his way to “convince” him.

The rest of the short analysis here
Yesterdays e-v.com

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:30:12am

re: #64 Dangerman

Any current “R”
But I take your point

A couple of them will at least speak for democracy rather than against it like the rest now do, but none are entirely sincere.

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:31:00am

re: #43 ckkatz

Don’t have the highest opinion of Sinema. But she does provide the extremely useful service of keeping McConnell the minority leader.

The problem is just how aware Sinema and Manchin are of this, and are basically using it to act as extortionists and hostage takers.

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No Malarkey!  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:34:47am

re: #33 The GOP is a terrorist organization

Larry Elder defended Michael Vick’s dog fighting. Something like “Dogs are property, and their owners can do whatever they want with them.”

Newsome should advertise that heavily. It will piss off more people than his comment about reparations for slavers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:35:14am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let me introduce Joe Manchin

Manchin is not great either, but he doesn’t irritate me the way Sinema does.

I suppose I should have clarified I think she’s the biggest waste of space ever elected to a Democratic senate seat.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:35:42am

re: #308 Belafon

Why do we actually separate the two terms?

“Rape” and “incest” do not mean the same thing.

Incest between consenting adults is not rape (and is legal in one state, Rhode Island, and partially legal in another state, Ohio, which only targets parents).

Rape is always non-consensual.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:36:48am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“Rape” and “incest” do not mean the same thing.

Incest between consenting adults is not rape (and is legal in one state, Rhode Island, and partially legal in another state, Ohio, which only targets parents).

Rape is always non-consensual.

My mistake. After looking it up, incest is also legal in New Jersey for those 18 and older.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:37:24am

Wow. This is… spectacularly stupid.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:41:33am
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No Malarkey!  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:43:50am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Manchin is not great either, but he doesn’t irritate me the way Sinema does.

I suppose I should have clarified I think she’s the biggest waste of space ever elected to a Democratic senate seat.

Irritating because she doesn’t have to be so far to the right to win, whereas when Manchin leaves the Senate, he will be replaced by a full blown GQP fascist.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:48:01am

Jim Jordan is Unamerican.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:48:49am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

To say the least. He quite a few other things too.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:48:54am
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Mattand  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:49:07am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

I once biked through Harleigh Cemetery in Camden, NJ. It’s a historic cemetery most famous for being the final resting place of Walt Whitman.

As I was tooling through the grounds, I came upon a section of graves where the oldest person buried there was no more than five, tops. Just grave after grave of babies, basically, most likely killed by diseases that to us are a distant phantasm.

I look around at how huge swaths of this country have straight up rejected reality regarding literal life-saving medicine and I inevitably come back to that bike ride.

I think the only reason we sorta, kinda got out from the 1918 flu pandemic was that there was no internet. I’m having a hard time these days seeing how we get out of this one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:50:13am

re: #78 Mattand

my mom and dad were born in 1914 and 1918 respectively, ‘tis a wonder they survived to meet…

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JOE 🥓  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:51:09am

And once again folks, JC and his Friends bring you another episode of Pulpit Pimp Theater.

In today’s episode Pulpit Pimp Jack Hibbs calls for Joe Biden to be court-martialed and removed from office.

rightwingwatch.org

What JackASS Hibbs is too stupid to realize is that a President can’t be court-martialed because The President is a civilian…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:52:53am
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Mattand  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:55:19am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my mom and dad were born in 1914 and 1918 respectively, ‘tis a wonder they survived to meet…

Same with my grandparents. I forgot who was living where when, but at least two of them were in kindergarten in Philly in 1918, when the city was warned not to have a war bond parade in the middle of Center City due to the flu and fucking did it anyway.

Just shows you how much dumb luck contributes to your existence.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:55:26am

re: #63 ckkatz

Hah!

I thought that you were up near Mercer County, not Lancaster County.

I am in Mercer county. We have a fairly large Amish/Mennonite community just outside of town. Our local Walmart even built a sheet metal “barn” to park the horse and buggies to keep them out of the weather and sun while their owners are shopping. Quite a few other stores still have hitching posts on one side or the other of their parking lots.

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Mattand  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:57:06am

re: #83 Eventual Carrion

I am in Mercer county. We have a fairly large Amish/Mennonite community just outside of town. Our local Walmart even built a sheet metal “barn” to park the horse and buggies to keep them out of the weather and sun while their owners are shopping. Quite a few other stores still have hitching posts on one side or the other of their parking lots.

Mercer County, NJ?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:57:49am
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:57:53am

Street harasser speaks the true forced birther misogyny:
You should have been aborted, you dumb bitch.”

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No Malarkey!  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:58:50am

Good thread. Delta is so contagious, it is limiting the spread of more vaccine resistant variants.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:59:13am

Apparently it’s not really about abortion.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 11:59:52am

re: #88 jaunte

Apparently it’s not really about abortion.

WHAT?! I am shocked, SHOCKED!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:00:12pm

re: #88 jaunte

Apparently it’s not really about abortion.

it is about winning brownie points with God

it is about wining the Culture Wars

and it is about women knowing their place and their value as chattel

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:00:31pm

re: #89 Dopamine Fish

“Do what I say or I’ll abort you!”

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:00:58pm

Fort Forty McFortFace will now be a thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:02:23pm

re: #92 Dopamine Fish

Fort Forty McFortFace will now be a thing.

Fort William Calley

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:03:09pm
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:04:30pm

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it is about winning brownie points with God

it is about wining the Culture Wars

and it is about women knowing their place and their value as chattel

It’s about staying in power.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:05:39pm
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:05:56pm

re: #92 Dopamine Fish

Fort Forty McFortFace will now be a thing.

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As long as he didn’t own slaves and didn’t fight for the South, I’m ok with it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:07:24pm

I would be fine with Fort John McCain

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:08:04pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:11:32pm

re: #82 Mattand

Just shows you how much dumb luck contributes to your existence.

My very existence proves that Luck has a very low IQ

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:19:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:20:10pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:21:23pm

In for the Boost

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:21:45pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:22:18pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why is this a thing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:22:56pm

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why is this a thing?

because morons

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:23:00pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

This would make workplaces better environments, but would leave dangerous lunatics with a lot of anger and time on their hands, if they weren’t full of shit, and caving when they’ll pay a price beyond the risk of death from Covid which they refuse to comprehend.

They comprehend job loss. That’s not too complicated for them.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:23:24pm

Okay, in the area I’m in I’ve know old guys that use horse liniment and I’ve known old guys that used for-animals ivermectin because they’re around those animals and exposed to the same parasites. It’s not always the best idea but also not usually lethal, but it’s a holdover from my mom’s generation—post-Depression thrift and thinking of doctor’s calls as unnecessary unless something’s serious.

But the current horse paste eaters aren’t people that are working in the farming economy, they’re people in suburbs and small towns who’ve been sold the idea there’s scientific validity because they don’t understand in vitro versus in vivo or dosage, but also are reassured that the medicine is somehow authentic because it’s in commercial circulation. It’s the shallow image of country medicine and common-sense treatment…which is a thing that only exists as an ad campaign; it’s the pastoralist art movement but for medicine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:25:28pm

O_o

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:25:37pm

re: #108 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s the shallow image of country medicine and common-sense treatment…which is a thing that only exists as an ad campaign; it’s the pastoralist art movement but for medicine.

Fauci is an elitist with an agenda or is in the pocket of Big Pharma/Soros/Deep State

Invermectin is horse-doctor medicine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:27:22pm
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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:28:00pm

re: #77 The Ghost of a Flea

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and that bit about his daughter was bullshit

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:29:06pm

re: #92 Dopamine Fish

Fort Forty McFortFace will now be a thing.

A bunch of us ex- Ft Rucker people want it to be Ft Novosel.
en.wikipedia.org

Had lunch with him once at the Mile High Club on Camp Casey.

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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:29:40pm

re: #92 Dopamine Fish

Fort Forty McFortFace will now be a thing.

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oh it better be!

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sagehen  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:30:02pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

all the same… Clinton knew they were gunning for him. It was pretty fucking stupid of him to give them ammunition.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:30:17pm
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:30:28pm

re: #84 Mattand

Mercer County, NJ?

Pennsylvania

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:31:40pm

Fort Teen

Fort Uitous

Fort Chewn

Fort Skin

Fort Gipper

Fort Tytwo

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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:32:09pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

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all true
but more simply, put a $10 pulsox on your finger
ffs N95s do not separate gases (or gasses)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:32:21pm

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would be fine with Fort John McCain

Too Navy.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:35:05pm

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why is this a thing?

Several generations of culture reinforcing the idea that morality is individualistic and thus has no social conscience. Everything going on is a denial that society has an agreed-upon standard of mutual aid. They’re not stupid, they’re furious at the idea that caring about other people is a virtue because they prefer their own interpretation: that the virus is yet another test and survival is a sign of superiority.

You cannot make me care lies behind everything they say and do…but most of these people are smart enough to not say something that antisocial outright, so they have to create a series of baffles and crenelations involving “personal responsibility” and “distrust of ‘elites’” to cover their core assumptions that they’re a better kind of person who will survive and should not be concerned with the death of others who, by virtue of their death, are less important.

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Mattand  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:35:24pm

re: #117 Eventual Carrion

Pennsylvania

Thanks. Didn’t know there was one out there. I bike on Delaware-Raritan Towpath up by Washington’s Crossing which is Mercer County, NJ. I did a double take when I saw your post because I’ve been doing that for years and never saw any Amish there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:35:27pm
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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:35:46pm

re: #108 The Ghost of a Flea

Okay, in the area I’m in I’ve know old guys that use horse liniment and I’ve known old guys that used for-animals ivermectin* because they’re around those animals and exposed to the same parasites. It’s not always the best idea but also not usually lethal, but it’s a holdover from my mom’s generation—post-Depression thrift and thinking of doctor’s calls as unnecessary unless something’s serious.

But the current horse paste eaters aren’t people that are working in the farming economy, they’re people in suburbs and small towns who’ve been sold the idea there’s scientific validity because they don’t understand in vitro versus in vivo or dosage, but also are reassured that the medicine is somehow authentic because it’s in commercial circulation. It’s the shallow image of country medicine and common-sense treatment…which is a thing that only exists as an ad campaign; it’s the pastoralist art movement but for medicine.

so with experience and some trial and error they figured out how much/little to use.

these idiots are taking horse level dosages

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steve_davis  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:36:39pm

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My mistake. After looking it up, incest is also legal in New Jersey for those 18 and older.

and in south carolina, which is how we got pretty much every republican in the state legislature.

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:37:54pm

re: #125 steve_davis

and in south carolina, which is how we got pretty much every republican in the state legislature.

Careful there, or somebody will come after you for defamation per se. That means they win automatically, if you don’t speak Latin.

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Mattand  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:40:04pm

re: #124 Dangerman

so with experience and some trial and error they figured out how much/little to use.

these idiots are taking horse level dosages

Gonna be “that guy”: the old timers shouldn’t have been taking the fucking animal medicine either. I’m sure they were amazing farmers, and it’s great that they somehow didn’t kill themselves, but it’s that kind of “To hell with them fancy doctors, I’ll treat myself” thinking that filters down through generations and gets us where we are today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:44:57pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:45:59pm

Fort Ythousand Headmen

Traffic - 40,000 Headmen (1971)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:52:06pm
Tracing route to www.prolifewhistleblower (dot) com [88.214.197.102]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 57 ms 56 ms 55 ms 67-234-176-254.wrbg.centurylink.net [67.234.176.254]
3 55 ms 55 ms 55 ms wrbg-agw1.inet.qwest.net [71.33.4.1]
4 71 ms 71 ms 71 ms min5-edge-07.inet.qwest.net [205.171.177.94]
5 71 ms 72 ms 71 ms 4.68.63.241
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 96 ms 97 ms 96 ms ipipe-inter.ear4.newark1.level3.net [4.15.150.126]
8 98 ms 102 ms 95 ms 88.214.197.102

Trace complete.

They are back on-line, but redirects to Texas Right-to-Life’s home page.

The libertarian free speech warriors at Epik seem to have redirected the site to a company in the UK, NatWebCo. The same UK site hosts Alliance Defending Freedom (the SPLC-designated hate group), a libertarian Bitcoin fan site, a germ-theory denying site (Covid untruthers), and others.

dnslytics.com

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aatharuv  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:53:48pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

Waits for all the Texans to tie up their courts suing the Mexican Supreme Court, arguing that by legalizing abortion in Coahuila, they’re allowing Texans to get abortions by crossing the border.

Yeah, that will go over really well…

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sagehen  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:55:27pm

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Fort Teen

Fort Uitous

Fort Chewn

Fort Skin

Fort Gipper

Fort Tytwo

Do they have to be dead to get a fort named after them?

Does Chesty Puller have anything named after him? How about Smedley Butler?

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piratedan  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:56:22pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

so they were good enough for Trump to negotiate with over the Government our tax dollars were propping up, good enough to abide by the cease fire rules in place against US Forces on our way out and NOW, they’re not good enough for Lyndsey, shit they’ve done a better job of keeping their commitments than Trump ever did.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:56:40pm

re: #131 aatharuv

Maybe we should just give Texas back to Mexico and let them fix that shit up.

/

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sagehen  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:57:56pm

re: #121 The Ghost of a Flea

You cannot make me care lies behind everything they say and do…but most of these people are smart enough to not say something that antisocial outright, so they have to create a series of baffles and crenelations involving “personal responsibility” and “distrust of ‘elites’” to cover their core assumptions that they’re a better kind of person who will survive and should not be concerned with the death of others who, by virtue of their death, are less important.

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution:

“The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:58:47pm

“But, oppressively arduous government regulations and standards…”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:59:10pm

The Five Day Graphical Tropical Forecast at the National Hurricane Center has upped the chances of the tropical wave north of the Bay of Campeche to become a tropical cyclone before reaching the Florida coast to 40%.

A tropical storm watch is now in effect for Bermuda. Hurricane Larry has weakened somewhat, but the track forecast remains unchanged: Larry will turn before reaching Bermuda, then have a close brush or direct hit with Newfoundland.

…LARGE LARRY EXPECTED TO CAUSE DANGEROUS SWELLS OVER THE
WESTERN ATLANTIC COAST THIS WEEK…

SUMMARY OF 200 PM AST…1800 UTC…INFORMATION
———————————————————————
LOCATION…24.8N 55.8W
ABOUT 750 MI…1210 KM SE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…115 MPH…185 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…NW OR 320 DEGREES AT 9 MPH…15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…967 MB…28.56 INCHES

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2021 • 12:59:22pm

re: #132 sagehen

Do they have to be dead to get a fort named after them?

Does Chesty Puller have anything named after him? How about Smedley Butler?

There’s nothing named for Eisenhower except a carrier and a reserve armory somewhere.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:01:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:05:45pm

re: #119 Dangerman

all true
but more simply, put a $10 pulsox on your finger
ffs N95s do not separate gases (or gasses)

Wow, what a bunch of libertarian derp on her timeline. The only difference between the religious sects of conservatism and libertarianism is the latter has weed as a sacrament.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:05:59pm

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Fauci is an elitist with an agenda or is in the pocket of Big Pharma/Soros/Deep State

Invermectin is horse-doctor medicine.

Not really.

These COVID-denier people love academic elites if academic elites say what they want to hear; there’s plenty of people with MDs and PhDs selling this kind of denialism and they do very well financially and are very well regarded precisely because they can point to their credentials. Good-faith denialists have a base assumption and they’ll accept any episteme that re-confirms that base assumption; bad faith denialists will counterfeit such episteme and sell them to other denialists.

re: #127 Mattand

Gonna be “that guy”: the old timers shouldn’t have been taking the fucking animal medicine either. I’m sure they were amazing farmers, and it’s great that they somehow didn’t kill themselves, but it’s that kind of “To hell with them fancy doctors, I’ll treat myself” thinking that filters down through generations and gets us where we are today.

Okay, so my point was that there’s difference being

A guy who’s stuck in the old ways because of long-term material conditions has dabbled in quackery to the point it’s become custom

and

A movement of people of various incomes and education levels united by their anti-intellectualism that literally pay money to be told that they’re morally better because they’re buying certain ideas

The former did not create the latter; the latter took the former and turned it into a pleasant, self-affirming fiction that justifies their horrible, selfish shit. Indeed, the ivermectin takers mostly cite science and scientific authority rather than folkways…they are simply uninterested in science-as-process that permits debunking of their claims.

It’s the marketplace of ideas in action: validity is a stamp that increases value, not a process that can reject the notions they want to consume. They view themselves as valuable…more valuable than other people…and that hubris informs their beliefs: ivermectin has to heal them because the alternative is that their worldview is flawed, that other people matter; ivermectin cant make them sick because that would mean people they’ve already decided are inferiors were right about something.

They’re killing their bodies so their ego isn’t injured…except they’re not really doing it on purpose, as some kind of gesture or mark of conviction: what they assume is that the disease operates with the same worldview and will kill only the inferior.

Which is also why they’re using all their power of coercion to create a class of people who are scared to get the vaccine: they’re protecting their market share by terrorizing and shaming people who don’t understand the science but want to trust someone. The alternative—that they’re wrong and thus not who they think of themselves as—is so repulsive that they’d rather manufacture a consensus…scream until other people won’t contradict them out of fear…than reconsider. Better other people die.

Basically…don’t attribute what is being caused by superficiality, vanity, cruelty, and consumerism to tradition.

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Jay C  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:08:01pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe we should just give Texas back to Mexico and let them fix that shit up.

/

Why would they want it back?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:08:31pm
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:08:51pm

re: #122 Mattand

Thanks. Didn’t know there was one out there. I bike on Delaware-Raritan Towpath up by Washington’s Crossing which is Mercer County, NJ. I did a double take when I saw your post because I’ve been doing that for years and never saw any Amish there.

Yeah, we are on the northwest side of PA. Our county’s west border is Ohio. I live about 9 miles from the Ohio border. My dads house is literally a stones throw from Ohio. I can stand in his side yard and throw a stone into the tree line that is the border with Ohio.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:11:52pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If the prison people wanted to do us a favor, they would isolate him from the rest of the people and not let him interact with anyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:13:10pm

Kentucky again

so evil

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:14:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:16:02pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky again

so evil

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:16:28pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky again

so evil

In the category of “all conservatives lie”:

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:16:48pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

WHAT THE FUCK

Be specific. How is it not safe. Bring receipts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:16:56pm

LOL, ya think?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:17:47pm

re: #147 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

At this point, I cannot be convinced otherwise that this is not a deliberate genocide.

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steve_davis  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:18:25pm

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Fort Ythousand Headmen

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I can sing this entire fucking song acapella in my car. It was on the Smiling Phases 3 cd anthology and I found it catchy, so I sang along in the car, and now I’m stuck laying down my treasure before the iron gate, quickly ringing the bell, hoping I haven’t come too late, while 40,000 headmen try to make me change my mind.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:20:31pm

Democracy dies in conservatism.

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Teukka  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:21:31pm

Re: That Nigerian study about effects on sperm. Had a discussion with a CoViDiot, and got the excuse to visit FASS (Farmaceutiska Specialiteter i Sverige = Pharmaceutical Specialties in Sweden = Organization which keeps information on all present and past medications in Sweden since quite some time back, they used to publish a phonebook-sized thing, but nowadays, they have a website and a website geared at professionals integrated in the healthcare computer systems. They are also one of the organizations which keep track of side effect registrations in Sweden) website. Checked the pill form of Ivermectin, and ‘lo and behold:

“Djurstudier har visat reproduktionstoxikologiska effekter”“Ivermektin ska endast användas under graviditet då det är strikt indicerat.”, which is Swedish for “Animal studies have shown reproductive toxicological effects”“Ivermectin should be used during pregnancy only when strictly indicated.”

And given the sort of sperm defects that were talked of in the Nigerian study, they’re of a kind which give rise to fetal defects. Which when it is a defect which makes the fetus non-viable has a markedly higher risk of miscarriage. And with the new TX abortion law, each Ivermectin-induced miscarriage should be investigated as a potential murder…

What a fucking year… And it’s gonna get worse…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:22:21pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky again

so evil

This is all some kind of fucked up performance art, isn’t it?

/

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:22:50pm
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Teddy's Person  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:23:09pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exchanges like this make Twitter worth it

For pure entertainment value, it’s hard to top the person who told David Simon to watch The Wire.

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dat_said  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:24:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:24:52pm

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Democracy dies in conservatism.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:25:07pm

re: #159 dat_said

Hey, big spender.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:26:43pm
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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:26:55pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

Please note: For anyone who complains about the Quacken cases getting tossed out due to laches (failure to file in a timely fashion), THIS is how you avoid your cases getting mooted due to laches.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:27:18pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

At this point, I cannot be convinced otherwise that this is not a deliberate genocide.

That would be rational. This is more like a lemming marathon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:27:44pm

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

This is all some kind of fucked up performance art, isn’t it?

/

don’t I wish it was that simple

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:30:23pm

re: #158 Teddy’s Person

For pure entertainment value, it’s hard to top the person who told David Simon to watch The Wire.

This one does.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:32:52pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

That would be rational. This is more like a lemming marathon.

It would be a lemming marathon if they were only doing it to themselves. When conservatives in power are forcing us all to do it, that’s genocide.

By the way, our state is still not reporting numbers from counties under twenty thousand by an intentionally-flawed reading of HIPAA that every lawyer in the state calls a lie.

There are only seven of ninety-three counties with more than twenty thousand people.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:39:08pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

At this point, I cannot be convinced otherwise that this is not a deliberate genocide.

The people in the Trump admin who assumed this would hit big cities hardest and did nothing were doing genocide.

The people who moment to moment assume they get can’t sick and that people that do get sick deserve their death are eugenicists and social murderers.

The people dying or being injured by Covid or by quack Covid treatments are dying for their own folly are killing themselves but not committing suicide.

The ones that have been conned into quack remedies have been killing themselves but done so because they’re been defrauded.

The ones that have been shamed and harassed into not getting treatment by loved ones have killed themselves but done so in response to emotional and psychological abuse.

Caregivers that have killed their dependents by denying them treatments have killed by neglect.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:40:02pm

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Democracy dies in conservatism.

So. Let’s just say Texas turns blue next go-around. Will they accept the results since they just made voting secure?

/////

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:43:28pm

re: #169 GlutenFreeJesus

So. Let’s just say Texas turns blue next go-around. Will they accept the results since they just made voting secure?

/////

LOL

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:43:36pm
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Jay C  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:43:44pm

re: #169 GlutenFreeJesus

So. Let’s just say Texas turns blue next go-around. Will they accept the results since they just made voting secure?

/////

Well, they would certainly lose one excuse for another Big Lie….

(but they’re a cunning lot down there: I’m sure they’ll think of something…..)//

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:44:36pm

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I agree. That is a bad one.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:45:04pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:45:08pm

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It would be a lemming marathon if they were only doing it to themselves. When conservatives in power are forcing us all to do it, that’s genocide.

By the way, our state is still not reporting numbers from counties under twenty thousand by an intentionally-flawed reading of HIPAA that every lawyer in the state calls a lie.

There are only seven of ninety-three counties with more than twenty thousand people.

It’s really starting to look like a separate epidemic—a suicide epidemic. Freep has become a sheltered workshop for people clinging to every kind of ineffective panacea. We’re in the land of the social psychologists, now.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:46:15pm

3rd shot done! 👍🏻👍🏻🥳💯

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:46:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:53:53pm

Let’s watch as libertarians blow up the balance-of-payments and invigorate wild price fluctuations into an economy.

El Salvador becomes the first country to adopt Bitcoin as official currency
El Salvador’s Bitcoin law comes into force on Tuesday following its announcement in June, making the country the first to adopt cryptocurrency as legal tender along with the US dollar. On the eve of the implementation of the new law, El Salvador President Nayib Bukele announced the purchase of 400 bitcoins, worth around $20 million. Bukele has claimed the move would increase financial inclusion, investment and economic development; however, there have been protests against it, with many saying they do not know how to use the digital coin, Sky News reported.

twitter.com

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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:56:04pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe we should just give Texas back to Mexico and let them fix that shit up.

/

no way they’d take it for free

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:57:08pm

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

If my math is right, that’s $50 000 per coin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:58:08pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:58:27pm

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

If my math is right, that’s $50 000 per coin.

The quote at the moment is 48,858.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 1:59:52pm

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

If my math is right, that’s $50 000 per coin.

There are already nationwide protests as the majority of people in El Salvador have no idea how to use Bitcoin.

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Mattand  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:00:23pm

re: #144 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, we are on the northwest side of PA. Our county’s west border is Ohio. I live about 9 miles from the Ohio border. My dads house is literally a stones throw from Ohio. I can stand in his side yard and throw a stone into the tree line that is the border with Ohio.

It’s about time someone showed those Buckeyes who’s boss.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:01:32pm

re: #144 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, we are on the northwest side of PA. Our county’s west border is Ohio. I live about 9 miles from the Ohio border. My dads house is literally a stones throw from Ohio. I can stand in his side yard and throw a stone into the tree line that is the border with Ohio.

So he can see Ohio from his porch.

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retired cynic  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:01:37pm

Eerie Photos Frame the Dense Fog Shrouding Waves as They Swell Along the Los Angeles Coast / Photographer Raf Maes
thisiscolossal.com
Gorgeous photos!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:03:59pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:06:04pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

Kyrsten Sinema is the biggest waste of space that ever got elected to the U.S. Senate.

Change my mind.

May I introduce Senator Tommy Tubberville?

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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:06:11pm

re: #127 Mattand

Gonna be “that guy”: the old timers shouldn’t have been taking the fucking animal medicine either. I’m sure they were amazing farmers, and it’s great that they somehow didn’t kill themselves, but it’s that kind of “To hell with them fancy doctors, I’ll treat myself” thinking that filters down through generations and gets us where we are today.

youre not wrong
and your last sentence is spot on
i was thinking onl;y on a sort of practical level
*if* someone had been doing this since 81 or so (when ivermectin was introduced), by now they probably ‘figured something out’ pragmatically over the 30-40 years or so.
theyre not dead, blind and dont shit themveslves silly when out shopping.

it’s a sort of scientific method, inappropriate though it may be

anti-vax kooks are starting from zero. they dont have a clue or experience.
all they see is “someone said ivermectin prevents (or is it cures) covid”.
they probably dont even know which it is, or who said it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:06:15pm

Thread of fourteen tweets, mostly dragging fools.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:07:23pm
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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:08:02pm

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Wow, what a bunch of libertarian derp on her timeline. The only difference between the religious sects of conservatism and libertarianism is the latter has weed as a sacrament.

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it’s a strong argument

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:10:50pm

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It would be a lemming marathon if they were only doing it to themselves. When conservatives in power are forcing us all to do it, that’s genocide.

By the way, our state is still not reporting numbers from counties under twenty thousand by an intentionally-flawed reading of HIPAA that every lawyer in the state calls a lie.

There are only seven of ninety-three counties with more than twenty thousand people.

If lemmings really normally ran off of cliffs, but that was just Disney being Disney.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:11:40pm

re: #193 Punish Domestic Terrorists

If lemmings really normally ran off of cliffs, but that was just Disney being Disney.

It was politically incorrect to use conservatives for that scene. /s

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:13:59pm
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retired cynic  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:15:09pm

A frequent commenter on Charlie Pierce’s blog nails Conservatives to a T: “they are crying about how the universe changed without their written permission.”

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:15:09pm

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Let’s watch as libertarians blow up the balance-of-payments and invigorate wild price fluctuations into an economy.

twitter.com

Now if there was only a way to generate power from moving goalposts.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:15:10pm
An FBI intelligence analyst warned days after the 2020 election that Stop the Steal rallies — one of which metastasized into the ransacking of the Capitol — could turn violent.

The emailed warning from an analyst at the FBI’s school for bomb technicians circulated through the Bureau and to some of its state and local partners on Nov. 9, 2020, just days after the major TV networks called the election for now-President Joe Biden. Its subject line was simple: “Far-Right Chatter re Election Results.”

“As Joe Biden is declared the victor in the 2020 Presidential Campaign, chatter from the far-right indicates the belief the election was stolen from President Trump,” the FBI analyst wrote, then urging recipients to “keep your head on a swivel.”

‘Keep your head on a swivel’: FBI analyst circulated a prescient warning of Jan. 6 violence (Politico)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:16:18pm

Middle of a long thread on school dress codes.

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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:17:17pm

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

The people in the Trump admin who assumed this would hit big cities hardest and did nothing were doing genocide.

The people who moment to moment assume they get can’t sick and that people that do get sick deserve their death are eugenicists and social murderers.

The people dying or being injured by Covid or by quack Covid treatments are dying for their own folly are killing themselves but not committing suicide.

The ones that have been conned into quack remedies have been killing themselves but done so because they’re been defrauded.

The ones that have been shamed and harassed into not getting treatment by loved ones have killed themselves but done so in response to emotional and psychological abuse.

Caregivers that have killed their dependents by denying them treatments have killed by neglect.

- some of the COVIDying are merely self-rapturing
- those that take others with them are terrorists*

* a person who kills themselves in the name of their faith or religion and takes innocents with them (in this case, by infecting unvaccinated children or immunocompromised individuals and overexposed healthcare workers)

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:18:58pm

re: #196 retired cynic

A frequent commenter on Charlie Pierce’s blog nails Conservatives to a T: “they are crying about how the universe changed without their written permission.”

It’s true. You can’t even get a racist Kool-Aid alternative anymore because Liberals got their way.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:20:34pm
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piratedan  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:20:55pm

as frustrated as I can be with Sinema and Manchin, I believe that what they will do is whittle a bit on the edges before agreeing to pass the bulk of the bills on… this will allow them to burnish whatever contrarian mojo they chose to wear as cover for themselves politically and to be honest, most of their posturing is bullshit as I expect them to come down on our side for the majority of what is in the bill. My issue with them grandstanding is the delay and the cynical takes that come out of each of these performances.

There are way too many damn problems ongoing to put up with too much of this shit in order to get what needs to be done, done. Also, let it be known that while Manchin and Sinema are taking the spotlight, I’m sure that there are a few other Dems who aren’t completely embracing the legislation and as such, those two allow them a certain amount of cover. I just wish that our Senators felt the same urgency we see as each delay kicks cans down the road that need to be addressed right fucking now.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:21:02pm
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:23:04pm

re: #204 jaunte

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:25:41pm

re: #204 jaunte

I’m not a woman so my opinion is probably crap here, but my understanding is most women do not see abortion as “a difficult decision.” The only difficult thing about it is the Reich Wing and Christians making it difficult for them.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:25:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:28:32pm
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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:29:14pm

re: #203 piratedan

as frustrated as I can be with Sinema and Manchin, I believe that what they will do is whittle a bit on the edges before agreeing to pass the bulk of the bills on… this will allow them to burnish whatever contrarian mojo they chose to wear as cover for themselves politically and to be honest, most of their posturing is bullshit as I expect them to come down on our side for the majority of what is in the bill. My issue with them grandstanding is the delay and the cynical takes that come out of each of these performances.

There are way too many damn problems ongoing to put up with too much of this shit in order to get what needs to be done, done. Also, let it be known that while Manchin and Sinema are taking the spotlight, I’m sure that there are a few other Dems who aren’t completely embracing the legislation and as such, those two allow them a certain amount of cover. I just wish that our Senators felt the same urgency we see as each delay kicks cans down the road that need to be addressed right fucking now.

as best as i can see it, the process is not actually slowing down no matter what manchin says. and i think he doesnt really want that anyway. just to make it appear that he does.

there are other centrists besides him and sinema. they just grab the spotlight most

all the others really want is some reasonable pork flowing in their direction and a credible way to face their voters/donors.

it could fall apart but likely not.
it’s way too important to the party and 2022.
if it fails, the centrists are toast.

this is all sausage making and they will each one of them find a way to stomach it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:30:45pm
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:31:54pm

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m not a woman so my opinion is probably crap here, but my understanding is most women do not see abortion as “a difficult decision.” The only difficult thing about it is the Reich Wing and Christians making it difficult for them.

It depends. The vast majority are the women deciding that they don’t want a child right now, but some of them happen after the first trimester, and the choice can be very painful because the woman’s health might be in danger or some developmental defect will mean the fetus will not develop to survive birth.

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Juan Carlos Mescalero  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:32:52pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:33:40pm

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m not a woman so my opinion is probably crap here, but my understanding is most women do not see abortion as “a difficult decision.” The only difficult thing about it is the Reich Wing and Christians making it difficult for them.

Woman opinion here:
It is ALWAYS a difficult decision.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:35:16pm

The Texas law excludes ectopic pregnancies, because medical technology is not advanced enough to force women to have them re-implanted.

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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:36:17pm

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m not a woman so my opinion is probably crap here, but my understanding is most women do not see abortion as “a difficult decision.” The only difficult thing about it is the Reich Wing and Christians making it difficult for them.

my newest favorite line i totally stole from someone this past sunday

The point is that women can be trusted to decide promptly if they want a pregnancy or not.

the right knows this.
conception or “heartbeats” are the arbitrary lines in the sand du jour because it takes even that bit of agency away from them.

(re)dehumanizing women is the goal

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:37:21pm

re: #211 Belafon

It depends. The vast majority are the women deciding that they don’t want a child right now, but some of them happen after the first trimester, and the choice can be very painful because the woman’s health might be in danger or some developmental defect will mean the fetus will not develop to survive birth.

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

Woman opinion here:
It is ALWAYS a difficult decision.

I’ll take y’all’s word about it then. I’m mostly working off the phase “unwanted pregnancy.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:37:36pm

It just occurred to me that many of the men in the Taliban today are probably the sons of the Taliban guys who led the movement in the late 90s and early aughts.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:38:10pm

re: #214 jaunte

The Texas law excludes ectopic pregnancies, because medical technology is not advanced enough to force women to have them re-implanted.

I didn’t think they had included any exceptions.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:40:13pm

re: #218 Belafon

Maybe I’m mistaken. this was back in 2017.

“AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — The Texas House has approved a bill removing ectopic pregnancy surgery from the state definition of abortion.

Ectopic pregnancies occur when an egg is fertilized but attaches itself somewhere other than a woman’s uterus. Such cases require tissue removal via surgery.

Corsicana Republican Rep. Byron Cook’s measure was approved 95-44 on Thursday. It differentiates between that procedure and abortions.

It’s backed by many anti-abortion groups, which see such surgeries as medical procedures to help the mother rather than terminating pregnancies.”
apnews.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:40:50pm

What’s This Massive Sucking Sound Where The Washington Post Used To Be? (Wonkette)

We’ve got some serious cases with Big Media Suck this week, with the Washington Post going out of its way to muddle coverage with such ridiculous “both sides” framing that the Roman god Janus has asked them to kindly knock it the fuck off.

One story casually frames Republican efforts to undermine preventing the spread of the coronavirus as a political “win,” and another blandly suggests that red and blue states are “moving in opposite directions” when it comes to letting their people vote, as if it were a high school “Compare & Contrast” assignment. A third purports to examine two different school systems’ “radically different approaches to managing the pandemic” without saying right up front that one of those “approaches” doesn’t so much manage the spread of the coronavirus as promote it, because what are face masks but a personal style choice?

Goddamn, WaPo, you’re managing to suck harder than the New York Times when it was in full Cletus Safari mode. Let us castigate away!

(more at the link)

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:40:59pm

“Helping the mother” has a very limited definition with Texas conservatives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:42:15pm

Good grief, to hear mansplaining that “abortion is not a difficult decision for most women” or that “the vast majority are the women deciding that they don’t want a child right now” is just, yow.
Some men just DO NOT GET IT.

Sure, there are some women out there no doubt using abortion as birth control (O_o) and not thinking twice about it…go ahead and rack up all the abortions you can stand.
But to think that most women just opt “oh well, a child isn’t part of my life plan right now” for an abortion…OMG.

It is a very difficult decision for almost all women who have one.
And for those who ultimately decide to NOT have one.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:42:22pm

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

What’s This Massive Sucking Sound Where The Washington Post Used To Be? (Wonkette)

(more at the link)

I wonder if that sucking sound is related to the $3.5T human infrastructure, which is not supported by a lot of the big businesses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:44:14pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’ll take y’all’s word about it then. I’m mostly working off the phase “unwanted pregnancy.”

You will be shocked to learn that a LOT of pregnancies are unplanned and not particularly “wanted”.
Not all automatically end up in a abortion clinic. Nowhere near all of them.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:44:49pm

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m not a woman so my opinion is probably crap here, but my understanding is most women do not see abortion as “a difficult decision.” The only difficult thing about it is the Reich Wing and Christians making it difficult for them.

Like any healthcare decision, the degree of decision difficulty is nobody’s business expect the person receiving the healthcare (in addition to who ever else they want to consult) and their healthcare providers (I don’t mean insurance companies here).

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Dopamine Fish  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:44:59pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

You will be shocked to learn that a LOT of pregnancies are unplanned and not particularly “wanted”.
Not all automatically end up in a abortion clinic. Nowhere near all of them.

“Surprise” is the phrase I hear often describing these. Both of my kids were actually “surprise” pregnancies, but very very far from “unwanted”.

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piratedan  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:46:00pm

re: #223 Belafon

I would concur, because that money will be going to innovative solution sets to address Climate Change and mass transit and environmental cleanup, not the type of mitigation that our current business environment is geared towards.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:47:09pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

My apologies. My limited knowledge comes from the few women I know who absolutely did not regret it, plus those who have made public statements such as in magazine articles or YouTube videos.

My mistake was to extend that limited experience from “women I know or read about” to “most women.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:49:26pm

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It can be a difficult decision even for a woman who ultimately ends up not regretting it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:53:10pm

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My apologies. My limited knowledge comes from the few women I know who absolutely did not regret it, plus those who have made public statements such as in magazine articles or YouTube videos.

My mistake was to extend that limited experience from “women I know or read about” to “most women.”

I grudgingly gave you an upding for that and accept your apology BUT…

The women you know who absolutely did not regret their decision?
How on earth do you equate not regretting a decision with said decision being made without difficulty?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:54:26pm

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

It can be a difficult decision even for a woman who ultimately ends up not regretting it.

MrBWS is expounding on that point here right now.
And expounding.
And that’s what I love about him.
He gets it.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:54:48pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:55:29pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

I grudgingly gave you an upding for that and accept your apology BUT…

The women you know who absolutely did not regret their decision?
How on earth do you equate not regretting a decision with said decision being made without difficulty?

Both my mother and my sister have told me they immediately went for abortions without a second thought about the issue.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 7, 2021 • 2:58:35pm

Soooo, awkwardly changing the subject:

Rhino gets loose in behind-the-scenes area at Omaha’s zoo (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

A rhinoceros at Omaha’s Henry Doorly Zoo & Aquarium briefly escaped its enclosure Tuesday afternoon.

Keepers spotted Jontu, an Indian rhino, outside of his enclosure about 1 p.m., said Dan Cassidy, the zoo’s vice president of animal management.

(more)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 3:01:19pm

re: #233 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

There is the abortion decision precedent several times in my family (and through more than one generation, we women have discussed all of them each time the situation arises) as well.

No one decision or situation applies to every case.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 3:03:28pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

I apologize for not using private tag for part of that response.

Fixed it.

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Dangerman  Sep 7, 2021 • 3:04:21pm

fwiw

the line i stole above re: #215 Dangerman

was written by a woman.

it was a letter to the editors published on sunday’s electoral-vote.com

more than half the letters they received this sunday were from women

look for “L.S. in Ann Arbor, MI”
she told quite a personal story and i felt comfortable using the quote to make her point.

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CleverToad  Sep 7, 2021 • 3:05:29pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good grief, to hear mansplaining that “abortion is not a difficult decision for most women” or that “the vast majority are the women deciding that they don’t want a child right now” is just, yow.
Some men just DO NOT GET IT.

Sure, there are some women out there no doubt using abortion as birth control (O_o) and not thinking twice about it…go ahead and rack up all the abortions you can stand.
But to think that most women just opt “oh well, a child isn’t part of my life plan right now” for an abortion…OMG.

It is a very difficult decision for almost all women who have one.
And for those who ultimately decide to NOT have one.

THIS x eleventy

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 7, 2021 • 3:05:51pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

It’s really starting to look like a separate epidemic—a suicide epidemic. Freep has become a sheltered workshop for people clinging to every kind of ineffective panacea. We’re in the land of the social psychologists, now.

We don’t really have a word for the dialectical responsibility present in a situation like this. Individualizing responsibility for this particular manifestation—person dumb, they chose death—belies how many people are working overtime to make those people choose death. It’s not suicide because there’s no intent to die—quite the opposite, the core that sustains the magical thinking is an intention to live that is immediately nullified by the assumption that cooperation and mutual aid is antithetical to life, an assumption they’re trained not to examine.

A vaccine is not more obscure in its function than ivermectin, but the former requires a systemic understanding of human action—herd immunity requires collective action—while the latter is asserted as not just a personal solution, but a solution that symbolizes a larger value system in which individuality is a form of truth. The latter isn’t just the better medicine because a paper said so, but because it’s been marketed as an act of personal defiance in keeping with existing cultural tropes of the brave and correct indvidual defying the cowardly and incorrect collective.

Mr Smith Goes to the Pandemic, Rambo: Blood Purification with MMS.

All of the supposed prophylactics and remedies have in common the idea that health is solely about one’s own body, and in turn one’s health has a moral character because there are correct and incorrect choices about what to consume. A person that gets COVID and is fucked up by it is fat (immoral) or sick (immoral) in this worldview because only individual choice matters…that disease is indifferent to human attribution of qualia is simply not an available idea.

The thing is…this doesn’t spring from nowhere. America has constructed a hyper-individualist culture over centuries as a way of avoiding uncomfortable questions about our internal contradictions (we did it all through rugged individualism, pay no attention to those giant engines of violence and coercion); that’s been reinforced by modern capitalism’s embrace of neoliberal individualism—everything is a function of personal responsibility, there are no systemic problems and thus no need for public services—because it turns all social ills into consumption (have a gun instead of a working legal system, have private insurance instead of national health); and that in turn has been reinforced by specific bad actors that want to avoid accountability by individualizing all the problems they create in pursuit of profit (plastic companies will belabor your responsibility to recycle, but not tell you that most of the plastic they admonish to recycle…that they made…cannot be recycled).

And conservatism has created a closed culture in which most consumers of that culture are induced to injure and impede themselves so that they can maintain their sense of belonging in the in-group. The primary driver of this coercion is the contrast between in-group compliance—rebellious, preserving of individual liberty—versus shameful submission to a larger fallen society—decadent, malefic, destructive to individual liberty but also to life itself and sometimes also God and supernature.

There is a bunch of potent shit going on, and it’s important because we’re not watching a mass suicide, we’re watching a tier that holds cultural power using it to convince people with less power that they should risk themselves—partly by lying about the risk—to maintain a system in which the people with the least power are simply supposed to die unremarked performing their function.

This is considerably worse than merely a bunch of folks deciding to kill themselves.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 7, 2021 • 3:07:32pm

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John Hughes  Sep 7, 2021 • 3:53:41pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t have time to go to college, I’m too busy wanking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2021 • 4:00:37pm

re: #242 John Hughes

I don’t have time to go to college, I’m too busy wanking.

explains some things…


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