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1 shutdown  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 9:07:15am

Issues of humane animal treatment aside, I would like to know more about the offender's background. Was he destitute? Malnourished? There might be a lot more to think about in the context of this story than animal abuse (make no mistake: I deplore the inhumane treatment of animals; we have a house full of pets and my wife is a veterinarian. However, bear in mind that farmers slaughter and consume their own cattle as a matter of course.)

2 MichaelJ  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 10:19:20am

re: #1 Turnabout is Fair Play

Agreed. There is probably more to it than meets the eye. However, no matter how desperate, destitute or depraved the individual is, cats are not meant for human consumption. Is he stealing the neighbor's cats and eating them? Is he getting them from the pound? Is he raising them? I can't find any good way to look at this.

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 10:20:38am

re: #2 MichaelJ

What do you mean by "not meant"? Meant by whom? Why are pigs meant for human consumption and cats aren't?

4 MichaelJ  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 10:28:56am

re: #3 ☞☞☞☞☠

By 'not meant' I mean it is fucking illegal! Isn't that a good reason? Personally, I don't think any type of animal is a great thing to consume, but I don't want to get into a vegetarian vs. meat-eater debate. The main reason I find this offensive is because cats are domestic animals in our country and as a general rule, we don't consume our pets. I realize that other countries and people do not have such taboos. Cats have been domesticated for many years and have learned to trust humans to a certain extent. I wonder how he catches them - by tricking them into thinking he is nice? This is not acceptable in my book. Others may not like cats as much as me and have no problem with it, but I find this offensive on many levels.

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 10:43:43am

re: #4 MichaelJ

"By 'not meant' I mean it is fucking illegal!"

Um, that's not what it usually means. Many things were illegal in various states, like teaching of evolution, porn, sodomy, abortion, integrated facilities. By this definition these things were "not meant" while they were illegal. But that's neither here, nor there. So, if whatever state laws that prohibit eating of cats are repealed, the "not meant to" also goes. Somehow I doubt you meant that. Then, of course, there are places in the US where pet-eating is not illegal, see [Link: www.slate.com...] , so I guess in these places cats are meant to be eaten.

Pigs are also domesticated animals, and the ones that can be kept as pets too. Should therefore their consumption be forbidden? But the whole "pets" issue is a red herring. Why should it be illegal to eat pets? Or, illegal to eat some pets, but not others? If you stick with "offensiveness", fine, as long as you understand the unintended consequences that follow from that, given that various groups find various things to be offensive, and the time may come that something you engage in will be banned as offensive.

6 researchok  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 11:52:08am

They eat horses, don't they?

And dogs, and cats...

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 11:56:59am

re: #6 researchok

They eat horses, don't they?

And dogs, and cats...

And squirrels.
Me? I wouldn't eat a squirrel. But why would I ban another from eating it?

8 MichaelJ  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:23:47pm

re: #5 ★★★★★

Do you think it was wrong for him to be arrested?

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:25:57pm

re: #8 MichaelJ

Do you think it was wrong for him to be arrested?

I have no idea about the details of the case. For one thing, maybe he was torturing cats before killing, or killed them inhumanely. Second, maybe he was killing other people's cats. In such cases of course he should have been arrested.

10 MichaelJ  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:26:39pm

By the way, the fact that I have 2 cats has nothing to do with my feelings on this matter.

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:29:23pm

re: #10 MichaelJ

By the way, the fact that I have 2 cats has nothing to do with my feelings on this matter.

Animals are animals. They suffer regardless of whether they are wild or domesticated, furry and cute or slimy and cold. Cats and dogs are no better or worse than mice, squirrels, deer or cows.

12 MichaelJ  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:30:29pm

re: #9 ★★★★★

The details are sketchy, but apparently the sounds that were coming from his property were bothering the neighbors enough for them to call about it. That is why torture, as you suggest, might have been a part of the scenario.

13 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:33:53pm

re: #11 ★★★★★

Animals are animals. They suffer regardless of whether they are wild or domesticated, furry and cute or slimy and cold. Cats and dogs are no better or worse than mice, squirrels, deer or cows.

That's not really accurate, there is differing levels of self awareness and intelligence in animals, they're not all the same. The closer to human intelligence and the more self aware they are the greater the difficulty I have in viewing them as food.

14 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:36:20pm

re: #13 SH1T My Conscience Says

OK, granted that this may be a factor. But pigs are awfully smart animals. I'm just sayin'.

15 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:42:27pm

re: #14 ★★★★★

OK, granted that this may be a factor. But pigs are awfully smart animals. I'm just sayin'.

Yes they are. I'm am really conflicted every time I eat pork. That said, as a culture, the west adds import to animals we consider pets, we will eat domestic pigs, but we frown upon eating potbelly pigs because of their status.

Humans are weird ass animals, full of contradictions and hypocrisies. I'm no different.

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:43:50pm

re: #15 SH1T My Conscience Says

Sure, frown. It just shouldn't be illegal.

17 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 17, 2012 6:06:40pm

re: #16 ★★★★★

Sure, frown. It just shouldn't be illegal.

Granted. Unless you're eating somebody's pets.


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