There was this kind of nonsense in 1970 after Nixon ordered the Cambodian incursion. Somethings never change on the looney left.

All your elections are belong to us!

So only 33% of DU can be classified as non-clinically insane?

In fairness, there was a certain fringe on the far right that thought Clinton would use the Y2K Scam Crisis to declare martial law.

The difference, I guess, is that this is the democrat mainstream that's freaking out.

I can hear the crinkling of the tinfoil in their hats...

#1 jerryofvirginia

the belief that the US government will ever impose nation wide Martial Law is indicative of both sides of the spectrum. Remember the ravings of the Milita movement and the far right wingers just a few years ago?

The convention wisdom(?) on DU was that Bush would orchestrate a major terrorist attack like he did on 9/11 to suspend the constitution and install himself as dictator.

You'd think the 3/11 train bombing would have upset their calculus, but naturally they think the main issue that led to socialist victory was that Aznar lied about ETA being responsible, not that they were cowed by al-qaeda.

Comforting lies.

I find the lunacy of DU sooo entertaining!!!

Hells bells Charles. It is St. Patricks day and this is the 3rd article today that can be easily turned into a drinking thread.

Uhh,...thanks!!

Now if these damn capitalist oppressors would shut down for the day >-)

Be afraid, DU. The black helicopters are coming for YOU!!!

Bwahahahaha!

Unbeeevable.

Hahahah. This is hilarious!

Pssst... don't anybody tell em the truth. There going to an open hunting season on Al Cubos come Nov 1:)

What alternate universe do these nut jobs reside in?

MoveOn.org has a "win without war" campaign. So for 560,000 US citizens have signed up to censure President Bush for his war in Irag. I fear for my country that so many raving lunatics are presently residing in the USA. God help us all if they win.

Damn, I'm at work and don't dare go to DU.
Are they really spelling it right this time? They normally call it "marshall law."

Charles: Has the DailyKos crew told the world what they think of Democratic Underground?

Do they call DU America haters like they call LGF islamophobes?

#3 V the K

"a certain fringe on the far right that thought Clinton would use the Y2K Scam Crisis to declare martial law."

HEY! Wait just a minute there dude, he was going to do it! If we could have pulled just the right strings... It's all the Jooows fault!

#5 Kelly

the belief that the US government will ever impose nation wide Martial Law is indicative of both sides of the spectrum. Remember the ravings of the Milita movement and the far right wingers just a few years ago?

Actually, I don't.

Even if/then, people never took them seriously. They were rightly marginalized by the mainstream by their paranoia. These freaks appear to be normal voters. It's disturbing, to say the least.

I wonder if there was a way we could jerk their chains even further... you know, set up a fake but realistic looking website with "liberated" papers outlining the Secret Plans to Implement the Bush-Ashcroft Reich? If anybody wants to set up something like this, count me in!

Classic case of projection there - declaring martial law and cancelling elections is the ultimate wet dream of leftists. It's the only way to ensure a perfect society.

#14 TomMoon

Can foreigners sign that censure petition?

Answer: Yes.

Don't sweat the moveon.org folksters. Without the international dollars pushing the 501(c)3 they'd fall off the map. The domestic funds that of course are legally donated are all going to the Moveon PAC and MoveOn Voter Fund. International funds go to the 501(c)3, which is the website.

Let's not get all worked up over nothing.
At the last meeting of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy we discussed the issue but did not officially endorse the idea. Yet.
It was decided to let the Right Wing Attack Machine continue to do its good work.

BUWAHAHAHA

#18 RIP Ford

The posters on DU are not more mainstream than the milita types. They may like to think they are but they are not. The average american citizen does not even vote let alone particpate in online political forums.

Can't blame them. After all, they all heard the President's State of Union address.

/sacarsm.

The DU, what can you say about these lunkheads? I'm surprised that 33% of them actually believe that the election will go ahead as scheduled. As November nears we can look forward to their growing hysteria and plans for dirty tricks against the "repugs", plans to "take it to the streets", plans to leave the country...none of which will come to fruition. The DU is a collection of ball-less wonders who are deathly afraid of any challenge to their skewed world view and their tin foil hat conspiracy theories. They used to be good for laughs but now they're just pathetic.

Note the name of the initiator of the thread:

DemocratSinceBirth

I suppose that counts as a congenital birth defect?

/ sorry. I honestly don't mean to slight sick babes.

bushler cannot just cancel the election because he will lose. There will have to be another "attack" or series of black op incited civil disturbances to justify martial law.

The DU "people" are going to be really entertaining come October.

Meanwhile, people who actually live in a police state are burning pictures of Khamenei. I wonder if we transplanted these DUmbie freedom fighters in Iran whose side they would be on.

OT - NBC: Clinton Ordered Bin Laden Spared

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Shh! I have it on excellent (but very secret) authority that not only will President Bush cancel the elections, he has a new bill in motion to allow his wife to become Vice President. His father will become Secretary of Defense and his mother will be Secretary of the Treasury.

But the really scary part - he is going to make tin foil illegal!

We cannot allow this to happen - be sure to vote on DU as often as you can.

PLEASE delete this after reading - I don't want you to be in any danger (otherwise I may have to kill you for learning the TRUTH).

Any president who declared martial law in the U.S. would go down as the villain of history, and would be reviled for the rest of time as a maniacal dictator. No doubt about it.
Now, let me get out my encyclopedia and see who was the last U.S. president to declare martial law. Ah, here it is. And his name was...
Abraham Lincoln.

#21 Axiom aka Malik al-Malook

I'm sure you are right, but these people do get a lot of press with their abliity to annoy. Hey, it's St Patrick's day, an excuse to get to the pub early. No one a Sam's gives a damn about MoveOn.org. So for the rest of the day neither shall I.

They normally call it "marshall law."

Okay, I normally don't mock bad spelling as mine can be atrocious, but that's funny. "Who's the law 'round these parts?" "Marshal Dillon, over there by the saloon."

Our best example was NYC and Giuliani, when they contemplated cancelling term limits so he could run for a 3rd term. This was preposterous. We should never change law (or elect officials) based on pure charged emotions. Luckily we came to our senses in time - we had 2 months. Spain had 2 days... they were doomed.

The only surprise in the poll is that the responses total to 100%

#25 Paul

I'm surprised that 33% of them actually believe that the election will go ahead as scheduled.

That must be the 33% of the membership that has yet to be purged.

Heh, I can't stop thinking this when I think of these people.

I think my favorite comment was the one about how one DU nutter "wouldn't let this country go without a fight."

Isn't the problem with the radical left precisely that they won't fight? Doesn't Spain prove that lefties would rather be the communal prison b*tch than lift a finger or shed an ounce of blood?

I suppose the "resistance" this DU nutter is talking about is a very, very strongly worded letter using harsh language calling everyone a "nazi," or worse yet, the dreaded "protest," where a bunch of loonies get thrown into the pokey and call it a victory.

Now that I think about it, maybe Bush should declare martial law as a kind of joke, say on April 1st, just to see the hilarity of left-wing "resistance."

Here's my take:

DU is a generic gathering place for insecure individuals to find solace in. These people have little to no actual control over their own lives, hence the conspiracy theories. It makes them feel 'better' to know that the government is plotting against them. That makes living in their parent's basement seem less dorky and more subversive.

They gather and discuss this stuff with others of their pack and, to coin their own term, the echo chamber begins. The only true way for a raging insecure liberal to change his or her ways is for something traumatic to shock them back to reality. This is so unlikely to occur, though, because our society has become perhaps the most well rounded and safe society in all the world.

Perhaps we do need those liberal 'reeducation' camps after all. ;)

Here is my favorite post from the thread so far:

zbdent (1000+ posts)
Wed Mar-17-04 11:43 AM

Response to Original message

25. Don't you think that the "terrorist attack" will somehow, strangely, be directed to an area in which Kerry will be at?

If it's as close to the election as the Spain bombing was, there is no way that, if Kerry & whomever are taken out of the equation by the attack, we would be able to get the ticket to reflect it.

(I have a paranoid mind. Never been diagnosed clinically, just the way I grew up, with bullies chasing me. Funny thing was, I was among the popular types until 4th grade.)

Bush could "compassionately postpone the elections" until a later date, when the "Red Alert" is lifted (if it ever would be). Thus keeping him in power

But I was popular until the fourth grade!! What the hell happened???

But you guys still love me? Right? Right? Do you want me to say Bush is Hitler?? Bush is Hitler!! Rove is the anti-christ!! Kucinich is hot!! I'll say it all, just love me, comrades!!!

Kelly wrote:

The posters on DU are not more mainstream than the milita types. They may like to think they are but they are not. The average american citizen does not even vote let alone particpate in online political forums.

===

I run in a fairly conservative circle. I never heard anybody remotely state the things that were supposedly said by the right wing militia types during the Clinton reign -- nobody that I knew ever thought that he was going to cancel the elections, smuggle cocaine into Mena, Arkansas, kill 100 of his closest associates, etc.

Yet it's not unusual for me to encouter a LLL who firmly believes that the Bush family had a blood coventant with the Saudis, that the US went to war to make Halliburton rich, that Bush went to war to avenge his father, that the US government is keeping a list of everything anyone ever looked at in a public library, etc.

If these DU'ers are way on the fringe and not close to the democrat LLL mainstream -- why do I keep running into people who believe these ludicrious theories -- when I never seemed to have run into anyone who held to the so-called right wing militia nonsense?

#38 G-Funk:

Your "insecure individuals" hypothesis appears well buttressed by the post that I quote in #39, above.

I have a paranoid mind. Never been diagnosed clinically, just the way I grew up, with bullies chasing me. Funny thing was, I was among the popular types until 4th grade.)

That's when the leprechaun started telling me to burn things.

#40 narniaman

when I never seemed to have run into anyone who held to the so-called right wing militia nonsense?

Because that microchip in your head has been programmed never to reveal their location... or even their existence.

;^)

Yeesh!

Don't these idjits have a pink tank to go build or something.

Jheka quotes DUer

But I was popular until the fourth grade!!

LOL! Now THAT belongs in our shared database of quotes.

When I talk about the crazy shit I read on DU to friends who are liberal, they always say that those people are the exception, not the rule.

Then last year in November, the Democratic frontrunner Dean started mouthing the same crazy shit I had been hearing on DU for months (interesting theories about Bush being behind, 9/11, etc). Maybe it's a credit to Democrats that they spectacularly dumped Dean as he veered into DU territory. As much as I think Kerry sucks, they could do worse. Hell, I'd prefer Dean over Clark.

To find the influence of DU LLLers on the Dem mainstream, look no further than the "esteemed" Mad Albright, with her dinner party comments about a Bush Osama capture conspiracy (here--follow the links for the original reports). If people like this can seriously believe such nonsense, we're in for a whopper of a century.

sefton,

No, not pink tanks, Giant Papier-Mache Puppet Heads! And you'd better believe they're standing by, ready to be unleashed.

Perhaps they are engaged in a sort of pissing contest, whereby instead of competing to see who has the largest johnson or the best long distance peeing, they compete to see who can put forth the most outlandish and irrational bit of fantasy about Bush.

A bad joke/pun that just occured to me:

Since everybody on DU hates Bush, they must all be either (a) heterosexual women or (b) homosexual men.

I feel so left out since I can't join in the DU fun. It always times out when I try to get to their website. I'm sure I'm missing so much humor.

Why is it that the people with the most freedoms are the first to complain.

Submitting to the PATRIOT act is nothing compared to joining the military or government service and going through the security clearance process. These people have nothing to fear or complain about.

Never gonna happen.

Bush will fix the election wiv 'is noo Electoral Guarantee Chip currently under development and will be used to upgrade the Diebold and other fancy-schmancy touch-your-forelock voting machines in November.

Expect 51% Republican win across the board.

As several have pointed out, that's the difference between the right wing fringe and the left wing fringe. For the most part the looney right is belittled and trivalized. Or even stopped upfront.

Ever see what happens when three KKK members try to march? They are shouted down, the media universally condemns them, and all the local politicians speak out.

The looney left is given much better treatment. They are more accepted and thought of as legitamet.

There is a May Day bookstore in Mpls (and other left wing towns). Imagine what would happen if someone tried to open a Mein Kampf (sp) bookstore?

Reading the DU thread reminds me of a smoky bar room at 2AM where everyone is very drunk. All sorts of bizarre, incoherent and stupid things are said by the inebriated patrons while the long suffering bar tender keeps glancing at the closing clock. Come November 3th the DUers are going to wake up with a bad political hangover.

Not surpriseing, these DU morons live in there own little universe were stuff like this happens all the time. They seem to think thay Bush himself wnats to brake up there little party...

Since everybody on DU hates Bush, they must all be either (a) heterosexual women or (b) homosexual men.

Hence the motto of the Lesbian Democrats: "Lick Bush in 2004!"

#20 sinewave

Classic case of projection there - declaring martial law and cancelling elections is the ultimate wet dream of leftists. It's the only way to ensure a perfect society.

Oooo...that's a good one. You may very well be onto something there. I like that.

What's really troubling about that thread is not the loony minority who are swallowing the martial law conspiracy but the number of posts who believe the administration will 'black - ops' an attack, blame it on Al-Q and then use that as a campaign issue. That is downright scary.

As the title bar at the top (sometimes) says..."Back on your heads". Punch line of an old joke.

#49 Rayra

Xactly.

This reminds me of a similar poll taken at Free Republic before the last election where a small majority of FReepers were convinced that Clinton was going to cancel elections and impose martial law.

When you're on the fringe, everything is a conspiracy...

#4 The Holy Digga

As I have stated before, at least Mel --love him or hate him-- tried early intervention on these characters

What I said above!

I found this in my booklisted sites...this explains a lot re
the DU, though they do a great job of making a* holes out of themselves on their own :

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

What we MUST realize in order to win - Americans are stupid and uninformed

This is very important because in order to win we must understand the way the average American thinks. I'm afraid WE have nothing in common with them.

I came to the two following conclusions when I saw the large number of people who voted for Bush back in 2000...

It is from 2003, but it seems that they are still delusional after all these days!

#19 V the K

The fake paranoia inducement worked once before, setting right-wing minds aflame. It was a satire called "Report from Iron Mountain," published in 1967. A similar report aimed at the left would be most welcome. For more details, look here: [Link: www.museumofhoaxes.com...]

Amazing! I am sure that you could spend a lifetime refuting the claims many of these clowns make, but since you can't do it there...

Do you suppose that they are aware that during the Civil War, the US held elections?

Or that it was Gore who took the election case to SCOTUS.

A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. A lot of knowledge can move mountains (with the help of bullodzers).

I liked the comment by Ready4Change

>24. Sigh...
>I remember when people believed that all of the USA >was a Free Speech Zone.

...he said, with unfettered access to the internet...

hahaha

Even the right-wing radicals had more reason to fear martial law under Clinton than these DUmmies. What has the Bush administration done that even comes close to:

FBI files on individuals in the WH private residence?
IRS audits of political opponents?
Kidnapping a young boy and forcibly deporting him?
Attacking a (cult) church with armored personnel carriers?
Using an FBI sniper to kill a mother with her baby in her arms?
Entering the office of a suicide before the police arrive?
Having staff members arrested and tried for embezzlement?

I'm sure that there's more that I can't remember off-hand.

it'll take awhile before events of the spanish bombing sink in, then they'll start rooting for an attack in the u.s. prior to the election.

the du is a one-stop network for those on the web with bipolar disorder.

OT: Minarets Rise in Germany (LA Times, via Yahoo)

I need to enlighten the Germans so their prejudice of Islam will go away," said Gulcek, whose Islamic organization is building the mosque.

The number of traditional mosques with their distinctive minarets nearly doubled in Germany from 77 in 2002 to 141 in 2003, according to Islam Archive, a Muslim research group in the city of Soest. An additional 154 mosques and cultural centers are planned

For many Europeans since Sept. 11, mosques are perceived — unlike churches or synagogues — as caldrons of radicalism instead of places of worship.

#59 Roll-aid

Yes it's interesting trying to follow the bizarre thought processes of the left. A terrorist bombing occurs in Spain which brings the left into power. Because of this uncomfortable fact, the left has to retreat into a fantasy in which the Republicans will 'probably' try the same tactic.

Drat! They've figured out our game plan. These people are smarter than we thought. Now it's back to square one and the clock is ticking.

What is in the water there? Is DU an Age where pot and coca are the only plants that will grow? It would appear that their milliners can only hadle tinfoil!

Another bit of projection on the part of leftists. It is the "Democratic" party that has been screwing around with elections in recent years.
If Kerry flounders look for them to do it again in their convention this summer. Look for Kerry to exit due to "health problems" and Edwards to step in for the final few laps.
If Bush has to go negative on Kerry he might succeed only to find he has been campaigning against a ghost for five months. Just like the guy who thought he was fighting Wellstone and ended up dealing with Mondale.
Look for all kinds of bizarre stuff next fall. It is going to be unreal.

#70 Baldy

"I need to enlighten the Germans so their prejudice of Islam will go away. . . ."

Maybe I'm too much of a cynic, but I have a sinking feeling that this "enlightenment" will be something along the lines of "people of Germany, we hate Americans and Jews just as much a you do."

Forgive me, this is OT, but it does have to do with vapors and hallucinations, and besides, I have to tell someone.

My son, who is a senior in high school, just walked in the door and told me that the students at his school voted today on the theme for the Senior Prom. They were given these choices by the student council: Hawaiian, Renaissance or Arabian Nights. Do I need to mention that in his class it was almost unanimous for Arabian Nights?

We just had the sign in Denver (Jesus Killed Our Lord Jesus) and swastikas painted on a synagogue at Purim. Now prom? I can just see the headlines now:

War/Hate/Fear-Mongering Pro-"Israel" Activists Ruin Kids' Fun by Protesting Prom

Cancelling the election

I heard all the same things about Clinton, not from some Aryan Nations kook in the backwoods of Idaho, but on one of San Francisco's top radio stations. In fact, it was repeated ad nauseum by the guy who bills himself as the most popular "conservative" talk-show host after Rush, and who has a best-selling book. And I heard it mentioned quite a few times on this station's morning drive show, especially by a popular female host who has the intelligence of an artichoke.

The funny thing is that on the liberal counterpart station, I heard one of their most egregiously eveil hosts lamenting that the real reason Bush was going to invade Iraq was to establish a platform from which he could knock off Iran and Saudi Arabia. He was trying to scare and outrage his listeners, but my reaction was, "Man, I sure wish that were true!"

Who are these freaks...they even have a poll showing Bush is 'worse' than Nixon?

What are they taking?

How did they get like that?

Where is this underground? France?

Excuse me I have to go now ,and prepare all 2000 of my absentee ballots

Jheka (#39):

I maintain that your formerly popular 4th grader has just not seen the right clinician.

She is easily diagnosed from DSM-IV:

Schizotypals are convinced that, behind their back, they are a constant topic of derision, mockery, criticism, or gossip. They suffer from ideas of reference. This is part of a larger pattern of bizarre beliefs, "theories", convictions, "scenarios", superstitions, and conspiracies that they adopt. Although generally not prone to delusions, the schizotypal is steeped in the occult and the esoteric to the exclusion of rational thinking and to the detriment of proper daily functioning.

DU = Collective Schizotypal Personality Disorder.

The nuttier DU types sound so paranoid about Bush & Co., I wonder if they are not hiding out in a bunker somewhere in Montana. At least if they actually believed their rantings and ravings and acted according they would be hiding out in Montana or simliar remote locations!

BTW: Thinking back to Dr. Strangelove's General Jack D. Ripper, I wonder if we could plant a rumor at DU that the Bushitlers have infested drinking water with a substance that destroys the purity of our bodily fluids! I bet we could really get them foaming at the mouth about that!

#68 Atomic Redneck:

Using an FBI sniper to kill a mother with her baby in her arms?

Not to nitpick, but Ruby Ridge happened in '92, under Bush 1.0.

Marshall Law

LOL! That one made my day. :)

CSPD aka Tin Foil Hat Brigade

An increasingly common condition, but fortunately easily curable, most notably by the application of gainful employment and removal of sufferer from conditions of negative reinforcement, i.e., other similarly afflicted individuals.

Hmm, good one Melissa.

#77 SY:

I believe that you're referring to Michael Savage who is, without question, a megalamaniacal, xenophobic, hateful loon. The fact that he is labeled as "right wing" and happens to despise Democrats and liberals (along with foreigners, gays and anyone that doesn't agree with him) is incidental to the fact that he is a bigoted waste of skin and organs that no one in their right mind would want to be associated with in any way.

#52 Snakey 3/17/2004 11:12AM PST

Never gonna happen.

Bush will fix the election wiv 'is noo Electoral Guarantee Chip currently under development and will be used to upgrade the Diebold and other fancy-schmancy touch-your-forelock voting machines in November.

Expect 51% Republican win across the board.

I've been predicting this myself too. If Bush wins by a narrow margin, I guarantee we'll have four years of people whining that it was all a conspiracy by Diebold to make Bush president.

Jheka: Yet here he is, nationally syndicated, best-selling, and made his breakthrough in this major market. And at afternoon drive time, not exactly the 2 am spot. So, we're not talking about obscure fringe types; people that had a plenty-big megaphone were spouting the same sort of nonsense, just in the other direction.

Your description of Savage matches my impression, but my liberal friends would honestly use the same language to describe the DU types. And you still have to explain the MORNING drive-time host who said the same thing. Loons are loons. Political media draw them like flies to a turdpile.

Terms like "right-wing" are Rorschach ink blots, anyway.

80 David All

Hey whaddya have against Montana?!! Believe me, there are more LLLoonies in Montana than paranoid RRR, by a large margin. Montana's gone granola in the past 10 years.

I think the tin foil is wrapped a bit too tight.

#81 SpoogeDemon,

Thanks. Good catch. Ruby Ridge was 8/1992 and Clinton didn't take office until 1/1993. I didn't realize that until I googled it. William Sessions was FBI director from November, 1987 until Clinton replaced him in July 1993 followed by Louis Freeh in September 1993. Google is full of fun facts.

If John Ashcroft and Janet Reno bred and had offspring, could we finally get an Attorney General that would kill the bad guys?

#90 Atomic Redneck:

I know some people really, really, really hate John Ashcroft, but I wouldn't wish that on the Devil himself.

Or that it was Gore who took the election case to SCOTUS.

Only in your dreams.

#66 Defense Guy:

What #92 would be saying if he could actually talk to people is that Bush, et. al. were the petitioners to the Supreme Court, not Gore. And he's right:

Bush vs. Gore

What #92 would be saying if he could actually talk to people

You're my role model.

#94:

Excellent choice!

Dhimmicratic Underground posted tinfoil beanie stuff. In other news, a chickadee nested in a birdhouse.

GWB will declare martial law and cancel the elections?
LOL
"marshall law"???
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
*gasp*
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

whew... I had a long bad day out here in East Texas, and sure needed the laugh.
Thanks, y'all.

People said similar things about Clinton, but mainstream America thought they were nutty. They received much negative news coverage. I don't see the same level of news coverage on these loons.

#92 & 94 Jim:

You found my hat-tip thread. Sorry I couldn't be there for the Corrie activities yesterday. It sure was a train wreck. And the nazi apologist from today was a real peach.

Then there was the genius who thought that French citizens deserved to be murdered by Muslim extremists because the government banned religious items in public schools.

And then there's ... ahh, nevermind. You know what's there.

Oh what progressive webs we weave when first we practice to act like complete asshats.

Oh, and Jim:

I must commend you in your choice of role model. If anyong can lead you onto the path of enlightenment, its andthenblammo! Give him a chance. He'll make a proper neo-con of you yet.

#87 RoPRCMH -

Ted Turner has a place in Montana, doesn't he?

Excellent choice!

Detente - it's a DUtiful thing.