Hope remains. How much is not yet known. Only time will tell.

Umm, perhaps someone could explain how to access the chart?

Duh FH, just "Uiteraard gaan wij zorgvuldig om met uw gegevens. Zie hiervoor onze."

Um, yeah, I would like to see the chart, too.

I find that I can just pick Dutch right up. It's so intuitive and easy to understand.

Thanks.

I suspect that Madrid and the follow-up attempts have cause a few eyes to be opened. One can hope.

That's 18 and a bit per hit average.

The Israelis should take lessons.

Looks like one needs to register to access.

OT: Sorry if this showed up already.

Two Americans and a Jordanian were shot dead in Kosovo Saturday when emotions over Iraq (news - web sites) apparently boiled over into a gunbattle between members of the U.N. law enforcement mission.

The lethal firefight between fellow members of the U.N. force was unprecedented in five years of peacekeeping in Kosovo, where police of some 30 nations make up the international force of around 3,500.

Iraq Said Spark for UN Kosovo Police Fight, 3 Die

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Got it to work. They include Israel as well. Now that is something I wouldn't expect from a Euro news source.

Try this site out to register, very helpful:

[Link: www.bugmenot.com...]

Login accounts for nrc.nl.

Heh, Charles, I beat you to it!

Let's NEVER forget that 3,000 of those deaths came on one day.

Remeber everyone, we should'nt be angry with them, they are from a culture that worships death.

It should be our goal to accept and encourage them as they are. We should offer ourselfs and our families up to them on the alters of their of death cult.

And whatever you do, don't do anything to reveal the reality of their ways. The smarter most liberal parts of our society will track you down and stalk you.

It would be cool if someone could translate that chart and send it to all right-minded bloggers for them to post on their sites.

Maybe that won't be necessary. I have a feeling the NYTimes, WashingtonPost and LATimes will all have this as front page news tomorrow. Also, CNN and the networks will being airing this primetime every night next week.

Maybe the Eurabians are starting to wake up?

I hope it's not too late.

A rod for their own back. PC lunacy in action.

Islamic terrorists have killed at least 7,085 people

Wow! That's almost as many as in a typical Quentin Tarantino movie.

But the important number is how many have WE killed in response? They'll run out of splodeys before we run out of ammo. Of course, many of us (yeah, Kerry lemmings, I'm looking at you) have already run out of guts.

Today they were actually having BAKE SALES against Bush around the country. The word "tard" is starting to lose its meaning.

'Coop

For translating, I recommend Babel Fish.

#16

Don't take a real deep breath on that one, brother.

I was surprised as well when I saw this. The 'saner' side of the left seems to have run out of plausible arguments to continue denying what's going on. Notice how Kerry's criticism of the Iraq war has been reduced to weak calls to get the UN involved, while UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi is already working on an interim Iraqi government.

Just waiting for the "but..but.. Amerikkka has killed...blah, blah..." troll in 5...4...3...2...

What do ya know. The terrorists even have local cheerleaders:

Shouldn't be too long before the 'mainstream media' picks up on this, right?

OT
Muslim girl tells media about school attack

Holland this year also started deportation of tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in their country, so this really confirms that they're on the road back to sanity.
How far they'll go is the question.

BTW, notice how many media outlets are starting to name the enemy? The phrase Islamic Fascism or Islamic terrorism is finally breaking into the daily media mantra.

Do they include the Sudan? Or Indonesian attacks on Christians?

This report came from Eurabia? I am shocked, SHOCKED I say!

Since the 9-11 terrorattacks on the US tere were 393 islamic terrorattacks in the world with atleast 1 dead victim.Atleast 7085 people died in these attacks
Attacks on American soldiers by Iraqis are not included.

There were:
-120 suicide attacks
-101 armed attacks
-58 bombings

Hamas commited the most (22) attacks.
GIA from Algeria 14.
Lashkar e Tayyiba from Kashmir 13

Most of these attacks took place in Algeria, India, Iraq, Israel and pakistan.Most victims were muslims.
The EU and the US were only once succesfully attacked.However, these attacks, together with the bombing in Bali, were the ones with the most victims .

And to end in a somehow (unfortunally) Eurabian style,the endsentence reads:
Since Januari 2004 the amount of muslimterror has rised exponentionally mostly because of the war in Iraq.

Sources : NRC - Dutch Teletekst -
Xcuse my English.

#18 FH:

Or you could find yourself a nice, attractive Dutch-speaking girlfriend like some of us...

On that Dutch chart, note the question mark in the row for the 9/11 attack. It's under "gewond", meaning "wounded".

I wonder if anyone knows how many were wounded that day?

Interesting about Indonesian attacks. I was in Malakku (what people used to call the Spice Islands) last March and April. There wasn't any actual shooting going on at the time. In fact, the Indonesian army stood between the local Islamic fascists and the Christians, who, I might add, have not been inclined to to turn the other cheek for quite a while now. In the five days I was there, I could feel the tension in the air.

Correction !
The last sentence should actually be literally translated as :

Since Januari 2004 the amount of muslimterror has rised exponentionally mostly because of the UPROAR in Iraq.

Still a moronic line to end with anyway... :/

#29 The Sanity Inspector

We ALL were.

OT: lgf watch has a link to this Austrian, American-Jew hating, shaved head "I have many Jewish friends" nutjob:

www.uncoy.com

How appropriate.

OT:

Looks like the UN gunfight in Kosovo was initiated by a Jordanian. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

#29:

9/11 is what convinced me that joining the Corps after I graduate is the right thing to do. Which will hopefully be this December.

LGF Watch is a full-blown Jew-hater who the lefty sites consider worthy of linking to. That's how desperate they are to smear Charles, they don't care who it is as long as they're bad-mouthing Charles and LGF. Such lovely people.

Translation of the accompanying article from the original Duch---

---
Terreur cost 7085 lives
By onzer redacteuren

ROTTERDAM, 17 APRIL. Since 11 September 2001 worldwide at least 7,085 people have been
killed and 10,132 wounded have touched at attacks of Moslem
extremists. That becomes clear from an inventory of this newspaper on the basis of
information of the press offices AP, AFP and Reuters, of the American terrorism onderzoekcentrum TRC (www.terrorism.com), of the Internet site Iraq Coalition Casualty Count (www.lunaville.org) and of the South Asia Terrorism Portal (www.satp.org).

At this Article? DOCUMENT - two and a half years moslimterreur: 393 attacks, 7,085 deads, 10,132 wound

Be taken attacks with at least one dead who has been committed by
Moslem extremists or has been attributed to them. The attacks on American soldiers in Iraq have not been incorporated
because that not particularly as terreur but and guerrilla action is
considered.

The past two and a half years of age at least 393 which have been
claimed responsibility for an attack by, were committed Moslem
terrorists or to them can be attributed. The most of it had in Algeria, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan and Kashmir, on the border of India and pakistan. Not only the daders, but also the victims were frequently Moslems.

The most popular terreurmethoden to be the suicide attack (120 time), the armed attack (101) and the bomb attack (58). But also removals, rocket attacks and assassination attacks are used. Most of the have been claimed responsibility for an attack by the
Palestinian organisation Hamas (22), the Algerian GIA (14) and Lashkar e Tayyiba (13), a movement in Kashmir.

Since January of this year the number of attacks per month explosive
has increased. That is blame especially to the increased disorder in Iraq.

These yielded the Jordanian king Abdallah II made confessed that in
its country a terreurdaad had been thwarted which thousands of people
living could have cost. In the Saudi capital Riad Tuesday several car bombs were dismantled
for deflagration. In Budapest Wednesday a plot was thwarted to blow up museum holocaust.

17 April 2004

Oh I know Zulubaby, but this Kurt Waldheim supporter is quite the smoking gun for those that had any doubts.

Infidel (#38)

I wonder if they'll even care that they're linking to someone who links to a neo-Nazi. That's how insane this whole thing has become, they will stop at nothing in order to demonize Charles, stoop to any level.

I hope Matthew Yglesias and everyone else (you know who you are) that linked to LGF quiz and LGF Watch feel like scum. I doubt it because they have no shame and being a lefty means never having to say you're sorry, but I hope that even if they don't publicly acknowledge it, that they're ashamed of themselves. Because they really ought to be.

Kampana (your English is fine by the way) and fiery celt.
thanks for the translation.

Infidel and Zulubabe,

I have been trying to post on uncoy and it just isn't working.

And the 17,000 is not even counting all of the "internal struggles" over which the Jihadists have prevailed, such as eating too many sweets, forgetting to say thank you, and neglecting to use their turn indicators.

Mar, I haven't tried, I don't have the heart for it. I wonder why it isn't working though.

Bob G., you are funny!

Zulu

Opps it is now. I was a wee bit heavy on enter and posted one half-drunken comment about 8 times.

What the heck, in about half an hour I'll be repeating myself every two sentences. Had to open up my bottle of Frangelico after supper!

#39 zulubaby

I'm kinda at a loss to explain what's happened to the left. For instance, before 9/11 I used to like Michael Moore - who knew he'd become a depot and terrorist loving traitor?

I mean WTF?!!

Mar:

I was a wee bit heavy on enter and posted one half-drunken comment about 8 times.

LOL! Don't you hate when that happens?

What the heck, in about half an hour I'll be repeating myself every two sentences.

Well then I'd better start drinking so that it all makes sense to me ;-)

That should read "despot" not "depot".

Bob G #42

I second zulubaby's #44

Joshua Scholar, I have no idea. I used to be quite the lefty myself, growing up in South Africa and all. (Except when it comes to Israel, that is something that I've always been uncompromising about.) But the left as it is today scares me because as much as they like to throw around "racist" and "Nazi", I'm afraid that it's their behaviour which reflects that and they cannot see it. There is no room for negotiation -- they're right and everyone else is wrong, and they're fierce about it. I don't recognize the world anymore, everywhere I look I see moral decay.

#50 zulubabu

One of the 10 things I promised myself I would do before I die is visit Johannesburg. Seems like such a beautiful city.

Between The Toronto Sun's column today and this, it looks like the word is out. Actually, I think people's eyes were opened by the deaths of those four contractors who were then burned alive and the two bodies then strung up on a bridge.

A lot of people who'd been making allowances for Islam and who's been equivocating, finally found they couldn't equivocate that no matter how hard they tried. I think that and the Madrid bombings were the straw that finally broke the camel's back. Those two excessive acts finally had everyone from Bush to newspapers around the world taking the blinkers off and realizing that these were not very nice people after all and it was time to draw the line.

If that's what it took, to open the eyes of otherwise well-meaning but non-judgmental people, then their deaths were not in vain. It's still not to late to win this war but everyone must be AWAKE and so I believe that the sacrifice of those who died in Madrid and the four contractors has served a worthwhile purpose as the wake-up call for those who were just too tolerant before.

Well, we can start making debits to the balance sheet to that death count with Rantisi, not that it will bring back the dead, but perhaps stop the terror from spreading in the future.

I like to think of it as the Road Map he refused to agree to being displayed all over his face, in color, just for irony. The little lines and dots of red...someone should photoshop that, call it Death Mask.

#50 zulubaby

Seconded.

I grew up in Canada, but somehow I doubt I would understand this any better if I grew up here.

I have a vague impression that the Canadian left isn't adjusting to reality any better than the American left has - though they were alway much more reasonable than American lefties when I was a kid.

The Canadian lefty magazine Ad-Busters (which I used to assume was a modern voice of Thoreau) has been printing anti-Bush, anti-War-on-Terror and even vaguely antiSemetic screeds lately. Another editor shown to prefer denial and shallow punk hatred to protecting what we have from the real violent haters.

Well anyway, high from 100 some odd miles north of you!

#52 foreign devil

Yet it looks like Kerry's gonna win.

When I realized that, I was so upset at how this is going to empower the Jihadis and the despots that Kerry is going to coddle again that I couldn't sleep all night long.

We start to wake up... And in the Kerry honeymoon the country will step back and forget everything.

i think charles should just start a drinking thread every saturday night...

...

I am dubious about Kerry's chances...

I think the somewhat deluded left and media are as far from the culture as they have ever been this particular election year...

"how could Reagan have won? I dont know anyone who voted for him..."

#55 Joshua Scholar

Kerry is NOT going to win.

not that they arent trying...

Election Projection 2004

Um,

I don't speak Dutch. Also you have to be registered to access content. This topic is not working out well for Mr. Globular.

Sorry for the bad news.

Ironically it's hinging on Florida again, which is tipping toward Kerry.

#61 Joshua Scholar

The only poll that counts is in early November.

OT

According to Fini, "asking for peace is a must, but it inevitably has to be achieved through the troops. Europe is still the main absent here" he said, referring to European Commision chairman Prodi. "I would like Prodi to say that if peace still hasn't been achieved it is not because there is too much USA around, but because there is too little Europe".

IRAQ, FINI TO PRODI: NOT TOO MUCH USA, TOO LITTLE EUROPE

#61, Bush wins in November with 60%.

After the debates and the Convention, Kerry will be toast.
 

perhaps i'm wrong.

nonetheless... my own sense of the culture... and from a fairly liberal environment... is that many people view the GWOT seriously.

and also.. people just dont seem to like Kerry much.

he's kind of an asshole. I remember how thrilled the mainstream media talking heads were with Gore's performancein the first bush gore debate...

i mean people were calling it a slam dunk... the next day they woke up the reality that gore had made an ass of himself...

Americans don't like assholes... Kerry is an asshole.

I don't speak Dutch. Also you have to be registered to access content. This topic is not working out well for Mr. Globular.

Heh, I'm in the same boat.  Can't see anything.

Late to the party, miss all the fun.  :-)
 

#51 Paladin

Johannesburg. Seems like such a beautiful city.

Sorry Paladin, Johannesburg has great weather, pleasant suburbs and an ugly downtown core. Not a pretty city at all.

S.A.'s best city is Cape Town which ranks with Sydney, Hong Kong, Vancouver etc for its ocean with a mountain backdrop.

The best of S.A. in my view is the wilderness areas. Although only a small country, you can experience a wide variety of terrain including tropics, lion country, deserts and mountains.

Stay away from tours advertising the wonders of Benoni or Blikkiesdorp. (Joke for zulubaby.)

Josh-

What part of Canada do you live in? Just curious. I am in the MTL.

#69 greenmamba

Thanks for the tip. J'berg looks great in the travel brochures. Got t be one heluva view from the top of the mountain though.

Paladin (#51)

The neighbourhoods are gorgeous but as far as cities go, Cape Town is far more beautiful.

Well I thought Bush's last press conference was a slam dunk, but if it effected the polls, I haven't found out yet.

In fact Stratfor sent out an article saying that Bush blew it...

Still I think that the reporters already knew the polls were running against Bush and that's why their questions tended towards - "do you regret losing the presidency?"

They wanted to shore up Bush's loss and make it a fait acompli.

Perhaps the next set of polls will be better, but it's been much more than long enough to the GOP to poll the response to the press conference and I'm hearing crickets, so it must not have worked.

Everyone I talk to read the headlines about the presidential briefing without understanding that it was all spin. "Bush knew" is such "common wisdom" now that people don't even talk about it, it's just assumed.

The press lied about the hearings, they print pessimism about Iraq - and Bush drops...

Funny, I thought the bombing in Madrid was going to sweep Bush through the election, but it was overshadowed.

The polls that I've seen in Florida put Bush ahead...and with JEB's convincing win as governor, I tend to agree with the polls that I have seen thus far.

Joshua Scholar

Kerry just flip-flopped on his tax return, according to the Boston Herald:

WASHINGTON - Sen. John F. Kerry had to amend his tax return this week after accountants discovered he owed nearly $12,000 more than he thought.

The Bay State senator first reported paying $90,575 in federal income taxes on $395,000 in income.

But yesterday his campaign announced that ``due to an accounting error,'' Kerry had filed an amended return bumping his taxes up to $102,152.

Spokesman Michael Meehan said Kerry's accountants calculated his capital gains tax wrongly at a 20 percent rate instead of the correct 28 percent.

The original return showed $175,000 in capital gains from the sale of a painting by Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry.

Meehan said the amended return was filed by the April 15 deadline. The mistake was caught after the original return was made public and released to the media.

The mix-up comes amid a controversy over a decision by Kerry's wife, who files separately from her husband, not to make public her tax returns.

Heinz Kerry, whose fortune is estimated at about $550 million, said she refused to do so because she is not a candidate for public office.

Although she cannot give more than $2,000 directly to her husband's campaign, Heinz Kerry has said she may run so-called ``issue ads'' to help if her ``family honor'' is attacked.

The ads are legal as long as they are not coordinated with the campaign.

Link: [Link: news.bostonherald.com...]

Kerry will probably claim that he never makes mistakes, but those SOB accountants screwed up.

Note that Teresa has honor issues, just like some other folks who make the news.

greenmamba (#69)

Not a pretty city at all.

Oh c'mon, it's not that bad! ;-)

Stay away from tours advertising the wonders of Benoni or Blikkiesdorp.

They have tours? LOL! They may be, um, interesting.

How will al quaeda vote in november?

To understand how Al Qaeda will vote, we must try to figure out who it prefers in the White House, Bush or Kerry?

If John Kerry wins in November he will probably make the following changes in American foreign policy:

1. He will roll back American unilateralism and seek more international cooperation from Europe, South Asia, Middle East and the UN. Instead of a coalition of the coerced, Kerry will seek a truly international coalition. Coalitions built through a multilateral process will present fewer fissures in the anti-terror campaign for Al Qaeda to exploit.

2. Most probably John Kerry will be interested in reducing rather than expanding the scope and objectives of counter-terrorism. Neocon goals such as reshaping the Middle East, reforming Islam, reconstituting the United States defense doctrines and redefining old Europe, will be abandoned and under Kerry the US will concentrate more on eliminating Al Qaeda and associates than anything else.

3. Much of soft anti-Americanism worldwide is a result of anti-Bushism. Regardless of what Americans think, most of the world finds President Bush uncouth, obnoxious, arrogant, crude and a bully. His defeat itself will reduce anti-Americanism globally and will increase American prospects for victory in this war on terror.

Will Al Qaeda be happy with these developments? I doubt it. Anti-Bushism has helped them divide the world and the growing anger in the Muslim World as a result of George Bush’s policies has helped them gain recruits, clones and support. If Bush loses in November they will lose an important asset. Al Qaeda will become the sole target of US energies and surely that must be a disturbing thought to even those who relish the idea of dying while fighting America.

If George W. Bush wins in spite of a terrible economy and millions of job losses:

1. He might interpret the victory as an endorsement of his anti-terror strategy and probably continue to expand the scope and objectives of his war on terror. Perhaps regime changes in Iran, Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia may be back on the to do list. It is possible that Spain may also figure on the list of regime changes.

2. It is also possible that many European and Middle Eastern states may stop cooperating with the US. Already many nations resent President Bush’s policies and style, they may begin to actively oppose his global agenda. The easiest way to do so is to withdraw from the coalition and call for more UN participation. We might see more and more nations following Spain and disengaging from the American bandwagon.

All of the above will help Al Qaeda pursue its strategic goals to undermine the West, hurt Americans and American interests, destabilize politics and economies in South Asia and the Middle East and cement the growing cleavages between the US and Europe and the US and the Muslim World.

It is in Al Qaeda’s interest that President Bush stays in the White House. Thus at the moment they are anti-American but Pro-Bush. Come November they will vote for Bush. How you may ask?

Fear is the key. If the American voters feel reasonably secure on the terrorism issue then they will have time to focus on economy, unemployment and on cultural issues such as the gay marriage controversy.

If at the time of the elections the priorities of American voters are:
(1) Economy, (2) Culture, and then (3) Security, or
(1) Economy, (2) Security and (3) Culture, John Kerry will probably win.

However if by November the voter is either thinking:
(1) Security, (2) Culture and then (3) Economy, Bush will win with a landslide and if the voter is thinking:
(1) Security, (2) Economy and (3) Culture, Bush may win narrowly.

Al Qaeda can make Security a more pressing issue than Economy by increasing their activities and even by targeting America again. Karl Rove, the President’s political guru will probably work to ensure that Culture continues to figure in the American voter’s mind.

But if Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri are both arrested/killed soon, then security will be out of the reckoning and Kerry will win unless new jobs are created in hurry.

As we approach November, Bin Laden and associates will increase the frequency and intensity of their attacks to ensure that George W. Bush Wins. Al Qaeda will be determined to make security a bigger issue than economy so the worse the economy gets the worse terrorism we are likely to see.

Ed.’s Note: Dr. Muqtedar Khan is a Non-resident fellow at Brookings Institution. He is also the Chair, Political Science, at Adrian College in Michigan. He is the author of American Muslims: Bridging Faith and Freedom (Amana, 2002) and his website is [Link: www.ijtihad.org...]

Please note I am not claiming to agree with this or to convince you of it. I am telling you that is what is being said here.
I would like to know what you think of it.

#70 Jordan

I grew up in Regina Saskatchewan.

But I live in San Francisco, the city that doesn't have enough LGF readers to make it to a bar together.

Paladin, if you do get to South Africa you should see Jo'burg but the game parks and Cape Town are more important.

zulubaby & greenmamba

Okay, Capetown it is!

i'm not claiming any special analysis...

i just know that i live in a university town where one might expect the kids to be swinging kerry, and there really is not much enthusiasm for him...

my sense is that a democrat can win a national election iff he generates enthusiasm.

clinton could and did...

kerry is no bill clinton.

and incidentally...

for the past several years i have travelled inside the US and Canada...

and i have loved every minute...

Pacific Coast by bicycle...

Great Lakes.

Colorado fly fishing...

i'll travel overseas again someday... when the war is over perhaps.

Ah, Saskatchewan. My good friend is from Saskatoon. Good luck in S.F, but I think and LGF'er in SF would have to be hitting the bars pretty hard...

#52 Joshua Scholar

Kerry is gonna win? Where'd you hear that?

The polls may put them close together but I still think that great silent majority out there that doesn't make a lot of noise, just sits back and lets the left make all the ruckus and take the bows; that silent majority is the "can do" right wing crowd and I think a lot of people who were undecided in the middle may have changed their minds after Madrid.

If you know something different, please speak up. Maybe we can do something to change it. I'd be awful sorry to see Kerry win; it'd be the end of everything positive. Besides that, he's just such a waffling flip-flopping wanker I can't imagine anyone intelligent falling for that pretentious wannabe. I seriously hope you're wrong!

and = any

Sorry to be a party pooper. I predict that all the media will be back to their usual pro-terrorist mode in 1 or 2 days. They always lick the aggressive hand, no matter who or why. Whores.

Julio

#52 foreign devil 4/17/2004 07:55PM PST

Between The Toronto Sun's column today and this, it looks like the word is out. Actually, I think people's eyes were opened by the deaths of those four contractors who were then burned alive and the two bodies then strung up on a bridge.

#77 rosh johnson

re: 1

"present fewer fissures in the anti-terror campaign for Al Qaeda to exploit. "

UN forces will be a corrupt, cowardly rabble controlled by countries who don't support the democratization of the middle east. Iraq will fail to help the war on terror, but Kerry we won't be "unilateral" and bullshit like that lies you quoted will be used to present absolute failure as a success.

I've listened to Kerry's speech on the foriegn policy, and I could analyse it for you if that wasn't too fucking depressing!

He's going to give up on reforming the middle east completely and pretend that by going back to supporting despots, we can win the war on terror. It's Sept 10th forever!

Of course he says that supporting freedom over theocratic terror and oppression and despotic terror and oppression, supporting openness over xenophobic, genocidal hatred is how Bush has "betrayed all of our core American values."

I didn't know that Usama, Saddam, Arafat etc. represented American values.

I think blind, short sighted amorality must be the American value that Bush neglected.

Oh fucking God, Kerry is already a miserable failure!

No I didn't bother to read past point one. I've had enough of you traightors to all of the values of the enlightenment.

#84 foreign devil

See the link in post 61

things change...

i think we will look back on these few years from 20 years from now and be suprized at how much the culture shifted...

but im an optimist...

#83 Jordan

I meant that the meet ups keep getting canceled due to fewer than 5 people agreeing on a place. I think there are only 5 LGF people who try to vote on a place anyway.

#84...

Kerry will probably loose PA and OH. The rank and file old line dems hate him and understand what needs to be done to the Islamofacists. And beleive me, I know a bunch of Vietnam Vet/Union/working class guys (whatever working class means...but i digress)

Union guys voting for a republican...dogs and cats living together...hasn't hapened since Reagan. All it took was an attack from a buch of Arabs.

well...

populism has to come from a guy who feels right to the electorate...

it felt right from reagan...

JHWBush never came across as a man of the people...

indeed i would have to say kerry seems far more like a George HW Bush kinda guy than he does like clinton or GW Bush...

you cant really fake populism...

It isn't populism. Reagan wasnt a populist, he was a true believer.

It comes down to this, I know a lot of dems that are voting for W. They didnt not vote for Clinton, they held their noses and voted. But this time blood is in the water and they want a few pounds of flesh..halal preferred, howz that for mixing metaphors.

#91 coldwarrior

Union guys voting for a republican...dogs and cats living together...hasn't hapened since Reagan.

Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, biblical?
Ray: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor... real Wrath-of-God-type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies.
Venkman: Rivers and seas boiling!
Egon: 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos.
Winston:The dead rising from the grave!
Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!

#94

Exactly.

i agree with you...

im not sure why, but it seems to me that the mainstream press has completely failed to "see" the way people are feeling now... even a few years after 11 Sep...

seriously...

i talk to strangers from all walks of life. the guy who repaired my fridge the other day... they guy in a colorado motel who took a reservation...

they find out i'm in the army and they want me to know that they are very much in favor of killing as many of "them" as it takes... sooner the better and God bless you...

i don't think this can be entirely explained by my preferences for the company i keep...

it is very widespread... people support this war...

#91 coldwarrior

By the current projection, if Bush get's OH and PA, he loses by 1 electoral vote.

But that would make it close!

#77
whoever wrote that piece of persuasion (not analysis) is peddling the lie that the economy is "terrible." in fact, most major indicators are quite positive these days, tho the press have done their best to keep cranking the same old grinder. and jobs jumped way up this last month, too, which was the one major area we were sucking wind in.

so i have grave doubts about the rest of the argument.

UBL and its ilk would be ecstatic to have J. Kerry for President. An internationalist who hates the American military enough to slander his comrades in arms while they were still fighting? A limp weenie who thinks that Islamic terrorism is strictly a "law enforcement problem"???

no, I no think so, boss. Nice try.

And coalitions are the weakest way to wage war. Always. Too much bickering, backstabbing, and blackmail. (I mean these modern-day coalitions, not an alliance of 3-4 nations; much more doable.)

#97

You're projecting electoral votes in April???

6 months to go yet...Watergate wiped out nixon in that time frame, Dukakis was ahead of Bush SR...anyway, (i'll try what I have learned by reading here in the past weeks)...Teh Zionist Imperialist Kabal wont allow the...forget it.

#96 vtrtl

Well I live in San Francisco after all, where most people find gassing Kurdish children to be no where near as evil as supporting any war that was started by a Republican.

I think the protestors would kill a Kurdish village with their bare hands and eat the bodies sooner than be seen on the same side of an issue as a Republican hawk.

#87 Joshua Scholar are you calling me a traitor just because i posted that?

#96

Tis true. But I live in fly-over country so our oppinions do not matter to the elite coastals like moore et al.

Illegitimus non carborundum est.

Cubans beat human-rights leader at U.N.
Attack by officials came after passage of resolution critical of regime

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

After narrowly losing a vote critical of Cuba, Havana officials beat a human-rights leader at the United Nations in Geneva.

Members of Cuba's governmental delegation the United Nations Commission on Human Rights attacked Frank Calzon, executive director of the Washington-based Center for a Free Cuba, according to the Washington, D.C.-based human rights group Freedom House.

The group says the attack Wednesday should be "considered a criminal act for which the Cuban government must be censured."

Witnesses said a Cuban delegate punched Calzon, knocking him unconscious, according to Freedom House.
Additional members of the Cuban delegation reportedly tried to assault Calzon, but U.N. guards intervened to protect him.

Freedom House, which notes Calzon directed its Cuba programs for more than 10 years, says Cuba delegation members have intimidated and threatened its representatives at recent meetings of the Human Rights Commission in Switzerland.

"This type of behavior is not just a breach of diplomatic protocol, but is itself a human-rights violation," said Freedom House Executive Director Jennifer Windsor.

"A brutal attack inside the very building where the Commission on Human Rights meets only underscores the deep crisis the Commission finds itself in today," she said.

Right because this commission with Saudi Arabia, Sudan and China sitting on it isn't a joke already! LOL!
The MOST Orwellian board ever created "UN Commission on Human Rights"

Along with Cuba, the human rights panel includes countries such as Saudi Arabia, China and Zimbabwe, which have worked aggressively to prevent passage of resolutions condemning human-rights violations, Freedom House said.

"The climate of immunity and impunity that today prevails at the Human Rights Commission must end," said Windsor. "The United Nations must make it abundantly clear to all delegations that intimidating and physically assaulting anyone on or off U.N. grounds is unacceptable and punishable, despite Cuba's claims of diplomatic immunity. The credibility of the Commission and of the U.N. is on the line," she said.

Snooozzzeee...

The resolution, critical of Cuba's treatment of dissidents, passed by a 22-21 vote, with 10 abstentions.

It did not, however, call for the communist government to release 75 activists imprisoned one year ago.

GOT THAT? It didn't even fing mention the 75 jailed dissidents who simply wrote articles demanding Civil Rights... and it only passed even so 22-21 with 10 abstentions... LOVE TO GET THE ACTUAL VOTE COUNT? Anyone?

"It appears that the only way to pass a resolution against Cuba was to phrase it in mild and vague language," said Windsor. "That a relatively weak resolution passed by only one vote is an additional item of concern."

Uhhh yeah, understatement of the year? LOL!!
Man, dude, where can I get my Fidel shirt though? The Village still selling them?

101,
whatever.

I'm in no mood to argue.

Yeah, all our problems can be solved by pretending that Kerry's right and democracy, freedom, tolerance etc are as he said, "betrayals of all of our core American values" and pretending that the UN isn't completely corrupt.

Fine. You're not a traitor, you're a fucking patriot. Now FO

im not so sure that its restricted to us sheeple in flyover country...

like i said, perhaps i'm delusional and the real mood of the country is reflected in the posts over at semocratic underground...

but man i really don't see it... i wont be at all shocked if bush takes the 2004 election in a walk...

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The UN is nothing more than a high priced debating society where the elite from 3rd and 4th world can get together and pretent that they are civilized.

Hey Folks! Ever wonder where Saddam's WMDs went? Jordan, that's right, Jordan! After a brief stopover in Syria though...

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

This was huge, yet the media has hardly covered it at all.

Here is the article from the Beeb.

example...

i don't think it woul dhave moved bush's poll numbers much, and if at all they woul dhave gone up... had we killed perhaps 1500 or 2000 iraquis reducing falujah and najaf to rubble with overwhelming force over the past 5 or 6 days...

CNN would have screeched on about it... DU indymedia would have gone on about millions killed by horror weapons...

Fox woul dhave shown olie interviewing marines...

Americans would have shrugged and figured they had it coming...

i think, if anything, the adminstration has followed an overly timid policy and moreover one aimed at keeping in check the full fury of the american population...

i would like to see every iman practicing in the United States rounded up and taken on a mandatory tour of Manzanar... just a 48 hour tour...

Oops, hit post too quickly.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

There it is.

Regardind the UN by coincidence look at my post on Cuba at the UN ""Human Rights Commission" meeting in Geneva... in #102

LOL!!

Mike

#104 Joshua Scholar
I'm in no mood to argue with you guys either. The first time this happened I thought it was funny. But I'm beginning to think you all are a little simple. I even explained to you that that was not my position and I was not trying to convince you of it.
As a matter of fact i am a patriot. The last time this happened zulubaby was kind enough to point out my website: [Link: haganah.us...]

Sorry if I am too subtle for you all. I've learned my lesson.

105

I deal with a ton of people everyday that can be taken for a fair statistical cross section of the populous (sp) and they just want to see the dead bodies of Islamofascist stacked like cordwood. Its ugly, but given the recent events...

113 CW

thats waht im talking about... there is this unreported... i would argue deliberately repressed undercurrent of...

i don't know what to call it...

Jacksonian Fury?

When I was a teenager I dated a girl (cute little redheaded girl)...

Her dad was in the Army in the Pacific in WWII...

in 1979 he still called japaneese people "japs."

anytime ollie gets to hang with the marines is OK by me...so when he was embeded with them last April whats the bets that the skipper gave him an m-16 and a radio to call in artey...just for old times sake?

#112 rosh johnson

I'm in a bad mood. You don't know what my point of view is and I don't know what yours is.

But why I should want to read the bullshit article you posted is beyond my simple grasp. I'm already angry and actually despondent.

There's more propaganda than info in this world, and thank you for uplifting my simple mind with more of it.

actually i think in the last few days he's been in some pretty serious shit with the guys he's with...

and yeah i'd trust him with an M-16... maybe even a saw with some training...

Insanity Inspector:

I just read your e-mail and responded in kind. Thanks.

and #91 Cold Warrior:

Don't bet on Bush losing Ohio. I am one Ohioan from many that will make sure we see Bush for another 4 years.

Rosh Johnson

The guy is entitled to his opinion though I think a more esteemed intellectual of Arabic and Muslim descent would disagree with him as would I. Fuoad Ajami.

The idea that Al Queda is separate completely from Hezbullah, Iran, Hamas, Egyptian Brotherhood, Islamic Jihad etc... is such nonsense at this point its laughable.

And John Kerry bringing in the UN (LMAO!) because they are pretty brave when wey're not there to hold their hand as in they fled Kosovo and Iraq within almost 2 weeks of each other a few months back... is WORTHY OF AN SNL Skit.

If we don't win in Iraq, say hello to a global problem of Islamic fundamentalist Terror and Rage and so-called "Moderate Arab Leaders" in a lot more trouble.

END OF STORY.
His statement on the "Neo-con" agenda of "democratizing the Arab world" is hilarious!!

QUITE THE EVIL ""AGENDA"" huh!

114

Jacksonian Fury may be the right term here, nicely played.

There is real anger out here. Most people get it that this isnt just an adventurous military excursion for oil, or whatever. It is war against those that have sworn to kill us infidels, and as a Catholic I must say that I have been brought up with enough guilt and thank you I do not need to heap Infidel on top of the rest of the baggage! Welcome to the Crusades (did I say that out loud...ooopps!)

#118 Jordan

Election projection shows Ohio in the Bush camp, barely.

It's still in play.

#112 rosh

Why would you just post a condescending comment like

Sorry if I am too subtle for you all.

? It seems only Joshua Scholar had a problem with your post #77. I can say that I've seen (I think) one other article like the one you posted, and it's so painfully, obviously, an attempt at "reverse-psychology" for an American public that the author thinks is painfully stupid and gullible. Hasan fucking Nasrallah, the Iranian mullahs, and Kim Jong-Il have already gone on record stating their great hopes for a Kerry victory that any attempt to portray the reality of the terrorist world actually rooting for GWB is both laughable and nauseous.

No one in their right mind would buy it.

118

I think Bush takes OH and PA...we get 'IT'

keep up the good work.

incidentally, i'm too drunk to follow the argument going on here...

just kinda posting around it...

119 Mike
I agree-- I think the whole argument falls down because most Americans see the folly of depending on the UN for anything.

117

I'll bet ollie doesn't need any training by now ;)

#112 rosh

I understood that you were posting someone's argument that Kerry would be tougher on terrorism.

Sometimes people react to the argument rather than stopping to sort out which is which, argument or poster.

I've seen a line of persuasion that looks something like this one, somewhere before. But it's pretty laughable. Like bucking for Jimmy Carter with a war on...

#124 v

So, this is **officially** the drinking thread?
:-)

as official as it gets...

124

I'm getting there.

Yep, a few Yeungling Porters from tap and a fistful of smoked pulled-pork samiches...the keys keep sticking from the bbq sauce...

Josh and Scholar,

Don't worry, we'll take care of it. I won't be in Ohio during the election, but I am already in the process of getting an absentee ballot. This one is too important to sit back and do nothing. Good night, 'all.

Jordan.

ps. Go Habs. Boston, I'm sorry, but it's over for you guys. Koivu and Theodore own you.

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There's the rub. Most Americans distrust the UN. ANd no American would ever allow US forces to fall under the command of the...hmmm...oh I dunno, the French, or maybe that country of military giants the Madagascarians.

OT, but Charles, are you involved in the movie industry? I just saw a trailer for the movie, Godsend, and noticed that it was an "LGF" production.

Oh, my bad. "LGF" is an acronym for "Lions Gate Films."

Do you suppose they are horning in on all the publicity you have been getting of late?

#125 rosh

Everyone here finally figured out you're wearing a white hat yet??

I don't think I've told you directly, but I am in awe of your courage and tenacity to keep internet haganah rolling along -- matter of fact --

To Internet haganah -- fighting the WoT one server at a time!
:-)

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I remeber good hockey...the pens in 90 and 91..sigh.

I've also sensed, even here in NYC. that there's a strong and growing underground current of cold fury about the pigfuck in the Middle East. Signs?

my gay friend J. emails me from Jersey, do you know anyone (i.e., any Democrat) who's thinking about voting for Bush? I told him Ed Koch, Dan Ackroyd and I, for three whom you would never imagine voting for Bush. he is NOT enamoured of JK.

my friend Kristen, who said after the WTC massacre, "I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad we have a Republican president. At least he'll fight back."

my buds Nina and Susan, both lifelong Dems, who are sickened by the loony Left's kissing the bums of our mortal enemies.

And me: I went to DC to protest Bush's inauguration, stood there in the rain and wept. Yet I'm going to vote for the man in November. The man is a fighter and has won my respect the hard way. And Kerry has earned my contempt.

OTOH, I've never been a pacifist (effin' lame-o's), and I have been known to vote for a Republican occasionally [s]. I've also despised the Islamic ideology for many years, chiefly for their suppurating misogyny.

135 cw

Sooo, it's been a long, uh, decade for you w.r.t. hockey, huh?
:-(

136 y

Thx. it's posts like that that make me relax at the latest media hatchet jobs and instead have confidence in the fact that at least half of the 100 mil. (or so) that wander into their polling places on 11/2 are going to do the right thing this time ...

136...

heh.. we wre both at the inaugeration... i got tickets cause my parents were in town... had not voted (texas resident) in the 2000 election.

i joined the army in 1982 because of islamic facism... the tranian revolution and the desert one op were pretty formative for me...

11 Sep 2001 i stood outside in northern virginia and watched the smoke coming up...

i know people who were hard core anti reagan pro sandinista commies back in the day who are all the time asking me to explain the way our tactics and equipment work... and they get a gleam in their eye when i talk about what 20mm h.e.i. coming out the front end of a corbra does...

137

Painful to watch, sad...and the Steelers and the Pirates aren't much better. Its a sad day here when the PITT basketball team is the best thing going, but its something, I think...I get discounts on tickest if I give enough to the alumnae association...pathetic.

Re #90:

I don't think any city, not even New York, was able to get an LGF Meetup together last month due to a lack of participants.

Anyone who wants to participate in a Meetup should visit [Link: lgf.meetup.com...] to sign up. The next scheduled date is May 1 at 4 p.m.

The following cities are the most likely prospects to be able to hold a Meetup for LGF. If your city is not listed below, you can look on the web site to see how many members there are in your city.

New York City (31 members)
Toronto, ON (16)
London, England (14)
Santa Monica, CA (10)
Boston, MA (10)
Alameda County, CA (8)
Chicago, IL (8)
San Francisco, CA (7)
Newark-Jersey City, NJ (7)
Tel Aviv-Yafo, Israel (6)
Dallas-Plano, TX (6)
Washington, DC (6)
Houston, TX (6)
San Fernando Valley, CA (5)
Austin, TX (5)
Seattle, WA (5)
Portland, OR (5)

I don't know if this Muqtedar Khan is a propagandist or simply mistaken about the views of Americans. Here is more from him:

Yes, we American Muslims will continue to challenge the Bush Administration's proposal to wage war against Iraq. Many of us think a regime change in Washington is as necessary as a regime change in Baghdad, but that is an intramural affair.

Once the war is declared, however, make no mistake, Mr bin Laden (you too, Mr Saddam Hussein), we are with America. We will fight with America and we will fight for America. We have a covenant with this nation, which we see as a divine commitment, and we will not disobey the Koran (9:4) - we will fulfil our obligations as citizens to the land that opened its doors to us and promised us equality and dignity even though we are of a different faith. I am sure, Mr bin Laden, you can neither understand nor appreciate this willingness to accept and welcome the other.

Sure, at this moment, out of anger, frustration and fear, some in America have momentarily forgotten their own values. I am confident that, God willing, this moment of shock and insecurity will pass and America will once again become the beacon of freedom, tolerance and acceptance that it was before September 11.

On that day, Mr bin Laden, you not only killed nearly 3000 innocent Americans, many of whom were Muslims, but you signed the death warrants of many other innocent people who will die in this war on terror and many more who will suffer the pain and the misery of war.

Before September 11, the United States was giving tens of millions of dollars in aid to Afghanistan and was content to wait for the Iraqi people to free themselves and the rest of the world from their dictator. On that day, you changed the rules of the game, and Muslims in many places are suffering as a result.

When the prophet Muhammad and his companions fought in the name of Islam, Allah made them victorious and glorified them in this world. They made Islam the currency of human civilisation for more than a millennium. You and your men, on the other hand, face nothing but defeat, global ridicule and contempt. You run and hide like rats in caves and dungeons. You live in the dark. Your faith neither enlightens you nor enables you to live in the light, and you have made Islam the currency of hate and violence.

Let me tell you that I would rather live in America under Bush at his worst, than in any "Islamic state" established by ignorant, intolerant and murderous punks like you. The US - its Patriot Act notwithstanding - is still a more Islamic (just and tolerant) state than Afghanistan ever was under the Taliban.

People have been looking for Muslim condemnation of UBL. Here it is.

Hmm. USA still kills more. And we show restraint! God bless America! The Rockets Red Glare! The bombs Bursting in Air!

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I joined because of Reagan.

Berlin Brigade 86-90. Got assingned to the State Department in West Berlin as sniper/personel security (bullet stopper). When Reagan said tear down this wall, we all laughed and said it would be there forever, in a few months is was down and I wept in the rain at Bernstein's concert with the East and West Berlin Philharmonic when they preformed Beethoven's 5th and chanceg the words to Ode to Freedom.

Go get it on CD, it is how civilized peoples end a dispute, not a shot fired, no one mutilated, just some opera...

I think we should combine SF and Alameda so that there's enough people for the meet up software, or change the way it works.

#139 v

Hey, in your various service assignments, you never met minigun, did you?
:-)
:-)

#39 zulubaby 4/17/2004 07:27PM PST

Infidel (#38)

I wonder if they'll even care that they're linking to someone who links to a neo-Nazi. That's how insane this whole thing has become, they will stop at nothing in order to demonize Charles, stoop to any level.

I hope Matthew Yglesias and everyone else (you know who you are) that linked to LGF quiz and LGF Watch feel like scum. I doubt it because they have no shame and being a lefty means never having to say you're sorry, but I hope that even if they don't publicly acknowledge it, that they're ashamed of themselves. Because they really ought to be.

Zulu - baby,

We see in others what we know best within ourselves.

We perceive our perceptions.

What is within our heart, defines the world around us.

Sincerely,
johnx

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I know a buch of doctors/surgeons that happen to be islamic, they are just sick about all of this. Many have stopped going to Mosque and giving money. They have started to give there tithe to red cross and the like. I feel sorry for these guys.

i think an lgf meetup in bay area ought to be done somewhat clandestinely...

although... a few years back wild man jerry brown the mayor of oakland let the marines conduct an exercise there...

at the time i was in monterey and the peaceniks went bananas over the original proposal to have the exercise in monterey...

it was one of the more ridiculous things i ever saw.. .a square in the middle of the clinton administration ultra peee ceee exercise... the script was probably "bringing desperatly needed medical supplies to aids victims" or something...

and here were these hippies riding busses down from santa cruz... they did more damage to the beach in monterey than the marines would have...

johnx, don't troll me. I've responded to several of your posts and you don't respond. So piss off.

zulubaby, just ignore him. Its not worth it.

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The DLI students at moterey did more damege to the beach than any hippies could do :)

FH, you're right, he's a waste of time, a hit-and-run troll.

heh... i was at NPS...

but there was this pub in town called the "mucky duck"

and i remember in one of the first briefings (the navy guys called it indoc) this commander told us not to go there and that night the pplace was packed full of us...

two years of being responsible for only me myself and I, and I could barely handle the responsibility...

good times.

134 Buckaroo
Thanks :) Me, I just hold down a dayjob to make it more possible. Aaron does all the glorious work. I'm super proud of him.
I'll just tell you, among the people I know -- all the working stiffs are with Bush all the way, but they can be kind of blindly hateful of Muslims.
The old environmentalists hate Bush. Somehow I'm going to have to convince them that Kerry is not a viable option. I hope this latest Echo Gold Mine paying off Abu Sayyaff story will have an impact with them.

(Tasty Beverage, I meant the "you all" in a southern way. I really only meant Joshua Scholar and whoever it was a couple days ago that mistook my Nazi propaganda reference)

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too much fun...it wasn't the Army, it was college with uniforms. We could get away with anything because we weren't infantry from Ft Ord.

Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad reports that in the period between September 11, 2001 and April 15, 2004, Islamic terrorists have killed at least 7,085 people and wounded 10,132 in 393 attacks around the world.

Late to this thread, and now going to bed, but I just have to ask:

Why does the EU support the terrorists? Are they stupid, nuts, evil? It just doesn't compute . . .

Thanks for any explanations. Will read them first thing in the morning.

Goodnight.

157

they have French Surrender disease via the primary vector of communal EU membership.

#24 Gary Bruce

"Islamic Fascism" or "Islamofascists": perhaps after a while the term will grow to include most Moslems. After that, we can stop pretending it's just some tiny minority.

and i lived on Ord, but it had ben closed except the navy ran some housing there and a PX commisary and gas station...

the restof the post was bbeing converted and part of it was Cal State Monterey Bay... man

that place was a LLL paradise... no grades, no curriculum, no compettivie athletic teams...

heh...

funny thing is all around the converted lavendar and rust buildings and their native species low moisture landscaping were old barracks, orderly rooms, and motorpools with like "death raiders" art painted on them...

IMHO, at the time they they stood it down, the 7th infantry division was probably the finest light infantry fighting force of its size (a three brigade division) in all of human history.

(and I was in the 10th at the time so i aint woofin).

for one thiing they used to walk.. out the gate of fort ord... to fort hunter ligget every year...

160

Trained with the 10th in their home base at fort drum during National Guard in '94.

Thank GOD it was in the summer!!! (But just barely, 45 degrees in JUNE!!!)

#142 rosh johnson

People have been looking for Muslim condemnation of UBL. Here it is.

I've seen better. I don't much trust anyone who quotes the Koran as a basis for being loyal to America. Knowing the Koran, that's an increadibly shallow loyalty to us infidels, if it is one at all. Luckily he's probably just quoting the Koran for the sake of form.

I'm more impressed with Mohammed Mosaad's candidness than Khan's.

Khan, like every other Muslim I've talked to, sees freedom as worth nothing - since he he sees deposing Saddam merely imposing "suffering".

Ali Salem, the only Egyptian peace activist I've been able to find, was once asked by a western reporter whether he thought that a moderate, peaceful Islam would eventually bloom.

I wish i could find the quote, but aparently that article has disapeared from the internet.

But anyway Ali Salem said something like, no - islam can not become moderate, instead Islam will become irrelevent. People will ignore and forget Islam. He claimed that support for Islam is much thinner than it looks among young people, and that most people just want regular lives not the duties of Jihad.

He also supported the Iraq war. Now that's a sign of candor. He didn't think that deposing Saddam would directly weaken the Islamists, but that according to the a bedoin saying "you beat the dogs to scare the lions".

He also said that since the Bathist party was modeled on the Nazi party, he sees the liberation of Iraq as the last battle of WWII.

Anyway sorry I was so short with you. I was in a very bad mood, and your disclaimer "I am not claiming to agree with this or to convince you ..." is the sort of thing usually posted by people who are doing just that - and I'm not up to arguing tonight.

i was at drum 90 to 93... Griffis afb until the airfield was built, then moved up to drum.

i remember drawing ta-50 and getting this white camo stuff...

10th grew up while i was there... kind of holds the legacy of the 7th now... its a testament to the regan build up really...

160

the 7th was righteous, I can seee it now, the Death Raiders Dykes on Bykes Motorpool for CSMB.

OK, as a newbie here I need to know LLL???

I can guess but wont.

#155 rosh

I get you. As a Yankee I say "You all" instead of "y'all", so I took it in my Northern cultural imperialist way.

Point taken. :)

164

We chewed the same ground at Drum, I like how the trees only grow on one side.

That schlep Clinton sent 10th out of Drum to Mogadishu in February...5F to 120+F in 18 hours...FALL OUT!!!

heh

i left griffis new years of 93 and flew to mogadishu...

it was 100 degrees hotter when we got there...

clinton was inaugerated a few weeks later...

first thiing we heard from him was that it was cool if we wanted to be gay...

i remember flying there some times (OH-58As) and not being able to feel my feet, and thinking about that old joke "man i bet it sucks down there..."

#163 Joshua Scholar
thanks for your enlightening post
I don't know I guess the question is whether one can be any sort of a Muslim and appreciate what America has to offer. I like to think so, but a Muslim has to appreciate it on Muslim terms and that's gonna be a little different from the way you and I appreciate it.
Yeah because of the way the verses are abrogated, the violent streak in Islam has a lot of textual support. But jeez the Old Testament has violent stuff too and we figured out a way around that. Muslims can do it too, adn they should be expected to.

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Yeah...send the Alpine/Snow warriors to the horn of Africa. That's what I thought 24th was for...or the 101st or 82nd...Howzabout we sent 173rd out of Alaska!!!

BTW, that white/blotched snow cammo is incredibly effectice especially at night with snow and a full moon. Its almost scary how well it works.

well im a helicopter pilot...

and of course we had to wear face paint so as to keep it real with our grunt brothers...

we used to joke...

"they'll never see us all camoflauged inside the helicopter"

howdya keep the grease paint from getting all over the reticle?

and we could not fly in the vb boots or goretex...

we did get issued chippewas which were the most damned uncomfortable boots ever devised...

we all bought matterhorns (which they issue now, and which you cant fly in)...

but the chippewas were cool cause they worked with skis and snow shoes...

heh i was flying OH-58As at the time...

the cobra guys managed im sure...

somewhere in my garage i still have a face paint stick thats white on one side and dark green on the other...

kind of a memento...

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did ya try the danner go devils? They are pretty flexible.

I have a private pilots (single engine land vfr only).

no danners...

and i was in the division when they banned the hi-tecs too...

the nugs were all running around in them, which to me ought to signal the procurement guys to get off their asses... but always seems instead to signal division staffs to ban things...

just about evey infantryman in the army had bought himself a camelback when the army realized it was a good idea...

and oddly enough im not rated in fixed wing... helcopter and helicopter instrument...

hi-teks are not soldierly...not enough leather to polish!!!

The Camel back is beatiful. It allows the infantry man to carry more ammo on his LBE to kill more jihadiis!

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I can see how that works. Helecopter and airplane controls are *VERY* different.

actually all that new stuff is nice...

i saw the beginiing of the fielding of some of the air warrior stuff to units outside special ops when i wasin first cav in late 90s...

now i see all these guys on the news with decent equipment... inovative stuff. camel backs, better armor, red dots. etc.

and of course i put some of the last AH-1s and OH-58Cs in the Army out to pasture...

and i'm old enough to have 1/4 ton jeep on my 214...

and i remember the first gen MREs... and the instroction of BDUs and the kevlar... i was issued some of the first BDUs in basic and they immediatle turned variaous shades of purple...

but we are both only a few generations from horses...

i served with people who served with people who took horsemanship at west point...

thats two generations removed i guess...

182
in 86 i was issued a steel pot at FLW. Didn't see Kevlar till Berlin. We had BDU's (they arent as good as the ones now) and 2nd gen MREs,

I remember the last day that the green fatigues were allowed to be worn in the Army. Everyone allowed to wear them in Berlin Trooped them out one last time. It was pretty cool.

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Yep, My late Grandfather (CSM) was Cav in Texas in the 30's. My mother owns horses, I have mucked out and ran them and always use my civil war era cav saddle just because I can!

berlin had to have been one of the coolest places to be stationed.

my sister is there now, but i never got to germany in the heyday...

did a korea tour which is an entirely different thing...

but everyone i know loved germany.

had a bud who was an adventure training instructor at garmisch.

#170 rosh johnson

Yeah because of the way the verses are abrogated, the violent streak in Islam has a lot of textual support. But jeez the Old Testament has violent stuff too and we figured out a way around that. Muslims can do it too, and they should be expected to.

I completely agree that we should expect loyalty, and frankly pressure American Muslims into loyalty.

America accepts foreigners as one of us easily, but we always demanded loyalty in return. Our schools used to be deliberately set up to Americanize immigrant children and put a wedge between them and their parents.

I used to think that was too cruel, but that was before we had an immigrant group that considers outsiders less than human, completely benieth them, and not deserving of self determination, rights or even life outside of subjugation.

Anyway we need to bring our strong peer pressure to bear on American Muslims and demand loyalty to our values. If they don't think we're good enough, and if they think that secular freedom is aborhent, then they shouldn't be allowed in to our country.

Well I think I've made that point...

Next point.

Of course Muslims can reinterpret the Koran and throw away the Hathiths and Sunna that call for killing all the Jews and subjugating the infidel by the sword and lying, raping and stealing from us etc...

But they can't do that without taking risks for us, and they're not interested in do that.

I just read an article by a Muslim who tried to get a book published arguing against Jihad. He could find only 3 other people in London who even agreed with him, and couldn't find a publisher... His speech at a conference in Egypt (I think) was only printed in the English notes for foriegn consumption. But ending Jihad is so beyond the pale that they wouldn't print them in Arabic.

Every leftist in the world assumes that Muslims will eventually evolve. But if you look at the real world you find that they are DEVOLVING.

The Saudi monarchy surrendered to the Islamists in the 70's and now Saudi children are so Jihadi that they're scaring their parents.

In a world with WMD's etc. we don't have time to wait for them to evolve. Chances are they won't improve on a schedule ahead of fighting a horrible war against the west and turning the US into another Israel, but with WMD's instead of cheap vest bombs.

Even Salem's Egypt is getting worse not better. People who speak out or make subversive art are in more danger from their neighbors than from the government. Professional insitutions are more hostile than the government is.

I think the middle east is crying out for blood. It's scarier than Germany in the 30's The people want our blood and they want it badly.

So we can pressure Muslims to reform, but I don't think they will, not unless there are many more horrible disasters. They're used to bloodshed and disasterous results of their intransigence, so it will take many massive massive failures before the thing tips.

I actually see more respect for freedom (and even for America) among Iranian dissidents than I see among western Muslims.

When Kerry makes friends with Iran and lets Iran finish their nuke program, those dissidents will once again be disillusioned with the west. The complete failure of the cultural part of the war on terror looms big.

One trivial thing I've noticed:

Since the text of Islam and it's self protecting structure is so hostile, I'm getting the odd impression that one thing is backwards in our understanding of Muslim cultures.

In Muslim cultures, the most honest and pure people are the ones we should fear. Because believing Islam without hypocracy makes you a Jihadi.

So in an odd sense, the dishonesty of those cultures is our friend, and the most trustworthy people are the most hypocritical. ..

I don't think we're going to see moderate Islam. At best we'll see what we already have a ton of: Apathetic Muslims who refuse to side with us and refuse to participate in Jihad.

We're subhuman sacrifical insects to believing Muslims. We can only hope that secularized, apathetic Muslims start to shyly break away from the, "I wouldn't ever want to be seen taking an Infidel's side" attitude.

We want them to be willing to risk being impious rather than expecting them to redefine piety. The other may be too much to ask for in the short run.

well im trying desperately to clost this thread tonight... but it just wont die...

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Berlin from 86-90 was amazing. We went from knowing that we would die in place (therefore drink and be merry tonight) to 'liberators'. I still see the footage and can't beleive I was there, I worked checkpoint charlie for three months and still dont beleive it...I shook Reagans hand and have a picture...dont beleive it. It's weird, like another world...maybe a better world.

I'm heading for bed but, lest I leave the impression that Muqtedar Khan is much of a moderate Muslim, he does have this on his site:

In the after math of September 11th, Islam, Muhammad and everything Muslim has come under close scrutiny in the America that seeks to blame Islam rather than American Foreign Policy for that horrible tragedy. It seems that a section of American society -- evangelical Christians -- are determined to label Islam as an evil religion and Muhammad as Prophet of violence for the actions of 19 Muslims.

blah blah blah.

Hey folks, if any of you like Conspiracy Theories, here is a whoper, courtesty of American Digest.

[Link: www.plaguepuppy.net...]

Essentially, for those of you who don't remember, the pilot episode of the Lone Gunmen features an attempted terrorist attack against the World Trade Center using an airplane being guided to crash into the North Tower. The entire episode is available for download. Very creepy.

So my question is this:

What did Chris Carter know, and when did he know it?

In the after math of September 11th, Islam, Muhammad and everything Muslim has come under close scrutiny in the America that seeks to blame Islam rather than American Foreign Policy for that horrible tragedy. It seems that a section of American society -- evangelical Christians -- are determined to label Islam as an evil religion and Muhammad as Prophet of violence for the actions of 19 Muslims.

It wasn't 19 elderly Skandavian Lutheren Grandma's that did the deed.

#143, re National Anthem:

From a verse we never sing anymore.

"And triumph we must, for our cause it is just,
And this is our motto: In God is our trust!
Oh, say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

Hell, YES.

191

really...

191

thats creepy

Too bad I can't find an email address for rosh on his site.

I wanted to make sure he saw my last post to him.

night, all

Coldwarrior, yes, yes it is. I had the feeling when the hair on the back of your neck stands up when I first read it. I already e-mailed Charles, if he doesn't read it or get it I will re-post tomorrow.

Good night. I suppose I should hit the sack soon too...

199

post some guards first.

OUT

Guards? The only guard I need is underneath my pillow...

#165 cw

Pick any three from

Left
Loony
Liberal
Leftist
Loon

OK, to anyone who reads this, good night. If you haven't checked out my post # 191, do so. It is about as freaky as it gets. 'Night all.

The fact is, a vote for Kerry is a vote for Bin Laden.

OT

Jordanian "peacekeeper" murders two American women working for the UN and wounds many others. Why? Because as a Muslim, he has a religious duty to kill non-Muslims.

[Link: www.dailynews.com...]

Two Americans and a Jordanian were shot dead in Kosovo Saturday when emotions over Iraq (news - web sites) apparently boiled over into a gunbattle between members of the U.N. law enforcement mission.

Kosovo - Bill Clinton's gift to Bin Laden - just keeps on giving.

Off topic, this is huge news if true.

Two members of an al-Qaida cell connected to top terror master Abu Musab al-Zarqawi have been caught in Jordan with chemical weapons and poisonous gas for a planned attack that Jordanian officials say would have killed up to 20,000 people.

The officials told the London-based newspaper al-Hayat on Friday that the al-Qaida plotters planned to launch a WMD attack against a Jordanian Military Intelligence installation, the U.S. Embassy in Amman and a government building in the country.

Two sources:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/17/11254 6.shtml

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/v iew/80623/1/.html

OT:

Khaled Mashaal, head of Hamas's political bureau, is now the uncontested leader of the movement.

Never heard of this guy, but I'm sure he's sweating.

#207 Continued:

I should add that another possible bombshell here is that the WMD's might have come from Syria.

Jordan's King Abdullah revealed on Saturday that vehicles reportedly containing chemical weapons and poison gas that were part of a deadly al-Qaida bomb plot came from Syria, the country named by U.S. weapons inspector David Kay last year as a likely repository for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

"It was a major, major operation. It would have decapitated the government," King Abdullah told the San Francisco Chronicle. Jordanian officials estimated that the death count could have been as high as 20,000 - seven times greater than the Sept. 11 attacks.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/17/14122 4.shtml

#150 zulubaby 4/17/2004 10:02PM PST
johnx, don't troll me. I've responded to several of your posts and you don't respond. So piss off.

True. I've said many times, I skim this site ten minutes or so per week. Sorry, if I missed some of your replies, I suppose it wasn't that important to me and I didn't bother. If that means I'm not allowed to comment on your comments, then no loss on my part.

l8r,
johnx

Anyone who wants to watch Rantisi's funeral, click here.

My apologies if this has already been posted somewhere, but the U.N. Human Rights Commission adopted a resolution expressing a "deep concern that Islam was frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism" and "noted with deep concern the intensification of the campaign of defamation of religions."

Up next: the U.N. decrying (with deep concern, of course) that Carrot Top is frequently and wrongly associated with orange hair. Or that gravity is frequently and wrongly associated with falling objects.

this is on Ha'aretz's flash news:
11:11 Palestinian legislator Azbi Shuabi: Arafat must resign as Egypt`s Abdel Nasser quit after Six-Day War failure

interesting idea...

Don't start sucking your lollipop just yet, the NRC is a crap newspaper known for their pro-multicultural stance on Islam. The article actually seems to indicate that terrorism got worse after the US entered Iraq, their point is clearly that what the US is doing only incites more rage from muslims everywhere. They refuse to look at Islam itself as the source and put the blame on the US.

#212 Deux ex Macrame

Good lord. The UN has gone so far around the bend it's inconceivable.

"Religious profiling" Is that a new term, invented for Islam?

Good morning.

Shhh...Hamas has a secret!

Don't tell anyone ;)

Abandon all hope that the Euromorons will ever wake up and smell the baba ganuj, they'll keep on blaming "Israel" (what they really mean here is Jews).

European thinking goes something like this:

"Someone just flew a 747 into the WTC and Pentagon? Must be because they're giving too much power to their Jews.

Someone Just blew up a bunch of Israelis in Tel aviv? Hooray, the Jews only have themselves to blame.

Someone just bombed a bunch of trains in Madrid? Must be because we seem to be supporting the Americans who are controlled by the Jews! Lets get rid of our government and replace it with one that will get down to the serious business of attacking Israel in the UN.

Someone just crashed a 747 into the Champs Elysee and the Eiffel Tower killing thousands? Those damn Jews are at it again!"

Color me paranoid, but this evening and tomorrow is Holocaust Rememberance day, and 6 million innocent people who can't speak for themselves anymore might just agree with me.

Radical Imam deported from France.

#77 rosh johnson

You ask for opinion.......

It’s a very interesting analysis with a number of good points. One thing, though, is that it assumes that bin Laden and/or al Quaeda are actually running the show regarding global terrorism. That seems unlikely because (1) they are not a state with a central organization and diplomatic relations and so necessarily less reliable influence, (2) their means of communicating finely tooled plans are limited just by virtue of having to live and operate out of caves and moving around a lot and being under constant scrutiny for any sign of communication, (3) latest reports are that as much as 2/3 of the al Quaeda leadership is kaput and apparently nobody really knows whether bin Laden is even still alive, (4) the islamist and terrorist ideology seems to have been seeded among many, maybe countless, groups and places around the world, so that bin Laden and al Quaeda have much less control now than ever before. For example, see “A World Made More Dangerous as Terrorism Spreads” in today’s Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/weekinreview/18V ANN.html?8hpib

Therefore, although I agree that a low profile by terrorists before the US election could make the economy more cogent to voters, and tend toward a Kerry win, I’m not so sure that anybody has control over that anymore.

What’s more, there are other actors involved. Israel has sure stirred up the hornets’ nest with their (rightful, in my opinion) killings of Yassin and Rantisi. This is driving the terrorists bonkers with hatred and vows of revenge against the US. Since the islamists don’t show much inclination to act in their own best interests, we may well see strikes against the US, even in the US, soon. It’s even possible that the “success” of the Madrid operation may inspire a strike in the US on the eve of the election.

On the other hand, even if there is no more terrorism directly striking the US between now and the election, the Bush team might take advantage of that (risky to do, have to wait till the last minute) to claim that Bush policies HAVE made the US safer.

Writer Mom (#216),

Good morning to you too.

I read on The Command Post it's no secret.

#77 rosh johnson

see also a Slate article at

Seeing Osama Plain

#81 vtrvl

kerry is no bill clinton

Which is probably why he's trying to be John F. Kennedy.

#84 foreign devil

I'd be awful sorry to see Kerry win

The way I figure it, if Kerry wins this time, things will degenerate so badly so quickly that Bush will win by a landslide come 2008. WITH the bonus that we will be spared having even to contemplate a Hillary run/win.

#87 Joshua Scholar

Buck up. See my #223.

OT - Poll - Does Israel have the right to kill Hamas leaders?

(It's going in the wrong direction!)

The EU is still trying to make nice with Arabia when it condemns the killing of Rantisi.

OT: Two Australian pastors charged with 'inciting religious hatred' for highlighting violent elements in the Koran.

Audio link.

Islamic Council of Victoria describes the 'vilification' of the Muslim population is like a 'virus'. ICV supported by 'anti-vilifcation' network of Jews, Muslims and Christians.

#157 Promethea

Why does the EU support the terrorists? Are they stupid, nuts, evil? It just doesn't compute . . .

The short answer is Oil

The renowned historian Bat Ye’or explains that the European Union has since 1973 been constructing “a whole infrastructure of alliances and economic, industrial, media, cultural, financial bonds with the countries of the Arab League.”
...
Through a succession of international agreements, Europe agreed to support the Islamic world’s political aims — particularly its anti-Israel stance — in exchange for favored treatment in Arab world markets. Observes Bat Ye’or: “From the outset the [Euro-Arab Dialogue] was considered as a vast transaction: the EC agreed to support the Arab anti-Israeli policy in exchange for wide commercial agreements.”

The Rise of "Eurabia"

#112 rosh johnson

I've had the same problem occassionally. I think some of the folks here drink too much sometimes to be able to read clearly.

Maybe Europe is waking up. Maybe Canada will too. Here is another good article from a Canadian source--this time The Sun on 'illegal occpation' and common sense.
[Link: www.canoe.ca...]

Johnx #147,

Sometimes you just see things as they are. But if that's your state of mind thanks for the tip, you won't be taken seriously.

Way off topic:

Look what the sons of pigs and monkeys are up to this week.

Way off topic:

Look what the sons of pigs and monkeys are up to this week.

Way off topic:

Look what the sons of pigs and monkeys are up to this week.

Way off topic:

Look what the sons of pigs and monkeys are up to this week.

#232 Maine's Michael

Funny how those apes and pigs keep advancing humanity while other groups are determined to drag it back to the Middle Ages.

Wow, they're almost keeping up this time. The Vietnamese wern't even close!

Hey, if we carpet bomb the West Bank, they'll never be able to catch up. But then we'd have to move the settelments... damn! genocide, THEN move in- we got it bass akwards!

semi-ot - until their strikes begin, Thousands of Terrorists Allowed into Uk, Says Former Spy

This guys motivations are certainly questionable but is the information?

I posted this yesterday, and I want to again urge LGFers to visit the Detroit News Poll and send a firm message to contributors at their readers' forum that the pro-Israel community supports PM Sharon's unilateral plans, because there are no trustworthy Palestinians to negotiate with.

A sampling of the comments from some of the pro-Palestinian contributors:

Ron Sweet, Perhaps you should check your "Middle East" history. The Arab population didn't migrate to Palestine (or Israel, as you call it) seventy-five years ago; it has existed there for many, many centuries. Indeed, there have been many more Arabs leaving the area than going to it. That is why the population of Jordan essentially doubled overnight back in the middle of the century. If there is a large alien population that migrated to Palestine in the last seventy-five years, it would be the Jewish population. Prior to the Zionist movement, mere thousands of Jews lived in the area, a tiny fraction of today's Jewish population in the country. The creation of the Palestinian Authority may be the subject of much of your diatribe. It is true that the Arab brethren of the Palestinians created the organization as much to control the Arab peoples of Palestine as to further the Arab cause in the territory. The PA is just another way Palestinians are victimized. 75 years ago, the Jews were not rehabilitating the landscape; they were destroying it. Check your facts, Jack: At that time, the Jews were employing the same "terrorist" tactics we see today from the Palestinians. Innocent civilians were regularly targeted and killed. Interestingly, Begin, a former Israeli prime minister, said that it is not terrorism when a people fight an occupier for their land. Interesting in today's context, no? I also think that it is important to note that Islamic culture allowed many people to live peacefully under its rule for centuries, even if those people were Christians or Jews. To suggest that they have had a "long, long history of hatred toward the Jews" is simply false. Finally, I disagree with your use of "Islamic fundamentalists." An Islamic fundamentalist believes in the fundamentals of Islam. Perhaps you meant to say "Islamic extremists." With power comes responsibility, so the U.S. and Israel are both significantly responsible to find alternative, peaceful resolutions to the conflict in Israel/Palestine. I can assure you that we fail to meet our responsibilities by recognizing Israel's illegal settlements. This course of action needs to be reversed quickly.

Or this dandy bit of anti-Semitic rant:

Israel has taken over the very apparatus of government in the United States, through its lobbying efforts (e.g. AIPAC), installation of pro-Israel and Zionist officials to governmental institutions (Richard Perle [a suspected spy for Israel who was investigated by the FBI, and who now sits on the Pentagon Advisory board under the Bush Administration], Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Philip Zelikow), and their complete control of U.S. media, including news organizations and movie production studios. Additionally, Jewish Americans tend to be much wealthier than the general population, and use their wealth to leverage favoritism and funding for Israel. These strong friends of Israel use the resources of the United States, including over a hundred billion in U.S. taxpayer money and young Americans' blood, to fight Israel's dirty war. They constantly strive to cite the Holocaust to elicit sympathy for Israel, while they do to the Palestinians what was done to them. Israel is waging an unjust war for land against the Palestinians, and the United States is paying the price as Israel's lone ally in the world. In the ultimate public relations coup, Israel has now gotten the Christian Right-Wing in the United States on its side, and this has reaped many dividends for their cause. Israel is indeed a very expensive friend, and a dangerous ally. If you doubt these claims, do the research for yourself and discover the truth. You will also discover that we invaded Iraq not for oil or WMDs, but to remove a potential threat to the State of Israel, because the United States is a tool of Israel.

These are precisely the types of comments that so many on here are adept at debunking and challenging for their inherent wrongfulness.

Let your voices be heard, LGFers! Right now 60% have voted NO.

#24 Gary Bruce

BTW, notice how many media outlets are starting to name the enemy? The phrase Islamic Fascism or Islamic terrorism is finally breaking into the daily media mantra.

No, but I'd love to see some examples (besides the ones that "got it" from the beginning: Daniel Pipes, Ralph Peters, Michelle Malkin, etc.).

You and I had an exchange the other day on this topic. If what you say you've observed is really a trend, that would be a huge change for the good. If I see any examples, I'll mention them here at LGF.

John F***ing Kerry is getting the treatment on Meet Tim Russert, including getting questioned about "Winter Soldier" testimony.

#74 Swamp Woman

Sorry I'm late on this, I was sleeping! :)

I too am worried about the way the vote will go here in FL, and here's why:

At a teacher conference last week I was forced to listen to the teacher rant about a new reading system being "forced" on elementary schools. After hearing her allude to "that Bush up there" I asked as to which Bush she was referring to, the Bush in the Governors office, or the Bush in the Presidents office. Both according to her. You see, it's big conspiracy. Why? Because these new reading system books are PRINTED IN TEXAS.

Is there anyone out there who understands this teacher's union vs. the governor and president situation? I would seem to me (and I am admittedly not very well informed on this) that the fault would lie with the teacher's union for not siding with their teachers.

#232-235 :-D Maine's Michael
and #236 scaramouche

Way OT:

Intel's photonic silicon heralds 'speed of light' computing

[Link: www.silicon.com...]

Fiber Optic Speeds with Silicon Efficiencies

[Link: www.intel.com...]

With a noble heart the possibilities are endless!

OT: kerri on "Meet the Press"

kerri says in an 3/11/03 interview that he won't criticize the war once the shooting starts. When confronted with the obvious he says that he stopped once we were in control of the country. So if we're in control, why is there still shooting, and IF there is still shooting, then why is he shooting his mouth off?

kerri priceless quote - "we have to have a success that is not a failure"

Now kerri is claiming that Iraqi war vet's are coming to him, as the foreign leaders came him to previously. When pushed on the question of exactly which foreign leaders, he says, " you can meet a foreign leader in any restraunt in NY"

kerri proposes sending Jimmy the Dhimmi Carter back to the ME as a peace negtiator. Asked why Carter was considered unacceptable by some , he says "that's not important.

Bush was "disengaged" with the Israeli/Pal peace process. Apparently, not making the Israelis give in to the Palibombers is disengagement.

After a direct question of whether he had committed the atrociites he admitted to in '71, kerri says that he had used " a language that reflected anger...and the times".
When confronted with the fact that most of the "atrocities" he spoke of had been discredited, he ignores that with a nonadmission, "a lot of the stories were documented"
Then he says "im not going to quibble" about what he did, after a 4 minute quibble.

This POS hasn't answered a single question w/o a nuanced answer.

I never use the term "Terrorism" to describe muslim terrorism. I like the term "Islamist-Terrorism." I hope and pray that Europe wakes up and that we in America close our borders to them and weed out the Islamists that are already here.

America is at risk just having these people here. They cheered when the WTC's came tumbling down.

As a country, we should have lost our humanity and maybe stopped growing food for a while.

On My Wish List:

Somebody please invent a car that gets 100 mpg. I sure would like to tell the Arabs to "drink your oil."

Hmmm,

Over eight centuries of brutal expansion into India the Durants estimated that Muslims slaughtered 40,000,000 people. Impressive. That's starting to approach modern totalitarian socialist counts.

#242 Sara D

Well, gotta admit that the teacher's union is the most pro-leftist organization in Florida. OTOH, a lot of teachers know that it is a pro-leftist organization and won't have anything to do with it.

# 230 Kat

Great column! Bravo John Downing!

#248

The correct link: A victory for common sense

Jihad Death ****:

1. Rachel Corrie
2. Suha Arafat
3. Shefa Kudasi
3. Zarema Muzhakhoyeva
4. Reem Raiyshi
...

johnx (#210)

True. I've said many times, I skim this site ten minutes or so per week.

Yeah, and it shows. Your ignorance is painfully obvious and you've now admitted that you're a hit-and-run troll. Why bother with your stupid comments? You're obviously not here to debate but rather to put in your little jibes and then scurry off.

Sorry, if I missed some of your replies, I suppose it wasn't that important to me and I didn't bother. If that means I'm not allowed to comment on your comments, then no loss on my part.

You're simply showing your lack of character and lack of honesty. Do your worst.

It'll take an attack that kills a million or so before people do what needs doing.

17,000 over three years barely registers.

'It'll take an attack that kills a million or so before people do what needs doing.'

and what is it that needs to be doing? I thinkn youve been playng too many nintendo games