Kerry -

The closer you get - the worse he looks.

J.

So much hair, so little class.

Seems that John Kerry doesn't think too hard before he acts.

He must have a long middle finger.

He has ‘flashed the bird’ to all veterans.

True colors... think the mainstream media will pick up on this one?

Is there any backup on this? I'm not sure I trust NewsMax as a sole source.

Pure class.

If it aint on the big three it doesnt exist, nobody reads middle of nowhere newspages. Is a funny story though, like schoolyard antics.

9/11: Never forget!
Kerry: traitor to America; once a traitor always a traitor.

#5 Steve G-

If it was Bush giving the finger to the guy it might actually displace Abu Ghraib abuse stories. Alas, the LLL media will bury this story. So much for journalistic integrity.

Absent any art, I'm hard-pressed to believe this--NewsMax is the al-Guardian of the right...actually, they may even be worse. If it appears elsewhere, then there may be a case.

#1 JLawson
The closer you get - the worse he looks.

I pity John's dermatologist. His pores must be teeming with Ebola. Either that or little Liza Minnelli's and Michael Jackson's. Photoshop anyone?

Now THAT is Presidential material. Good job J F'ing K.

Steve G -

No.

Although we can expect to hear the usual trashing of NewsMax (not that I know exactly who they are myself).

Gymnast -

Seems that John Kerry doesn't think too hard before he acts.

That's because once you start thinking, it's just a matter of time before you start engaging in the diabolically evil "black and white thinking", the worst thing a mind is capable of.

Kerry is clearly an unstable personality. Not someone who should be in the White House.

Gor-don, can I say that he's "unpresidential" now?

Thanks.

Let's give him 49 states. NOT

He did this to a veteran.

By the Vietnam Memorial.

In front of schoolchildren

On Memorial Day.

Your average guest on the Jerry Springer show has more class and dignity than this jackass.

I actually didn't flip him the bird, before I flicked him off.

-John F'in Kerry

You see, JFK is really just misunderstood. His Secret Service detail actually bumped him again and he was reaching that finger out to try to steady himself.

Wouldn't it be fun to see the media try spin the photo caption for this incident if a photographer had been around?

Kerry is one class act!

“Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here.”

Did anyone else find this a bit hamfisted and overboard?
I agree with the idea, but excluding people from the Wall because you disagree with them is a bit much. Then again, Kerry was probably there for publicity perposes only. So, feh, who cares. Carry on.

Kerry is not a gentleman.

Of course, Kerry does have supporters from the group that he served with.
THE PHOTO THAT THE VIETNAM VETS ARE MAD AT KERRY ABOUT

A group of more than 220 veterans who served in Sen. John Kerry's swift-boat unit in Vietnam are calling on the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate to stop unauthorized use of their images in national campaign advertising. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which has declared the Massachusetts senator "unfit to be commander in chief," says 11 of the 20 officers in one photo Kerry uses have signed a letter condemning him. The photo, which includes Kerry, was taken on the island of An Thoi Jan. 22, 1969. "Of the remaining eight officers in the photo, two are deceased and four don't want any involvement," the veterans said in a statement. Only two of the 20 are believed to support Kerry.

PINMF!

There has just got to be a video/picture of this. If "the public" was around, which I'm assuming they were as that is how Sampley got so close, there would have been many cameras, not to mention all the media. I realize that it probably happened very fast, attention was on Sampley, folks attending (media or Kerry supporters) may be unwilling to provide photo, and finally, that Kerry may have been smart enough to do it only if he was certain he was out of camera range.

#20 RIP Ford

In Kerry's slight defense, Sampley is a world class loon. (I remember reading that he got into an altercation with one of Sen. McCain's staffers). I just think it's very revealing that Kerry chose to respond that way. In my mind, it shows a temperment simply unsuited for the office.

They're both assholes, IMO .

Sorry for the early OT, but did you ever wonder what became of Saddam's pistol he had when he was captured?

#25 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier

I just think it's very revealing that Kerry chose to respond that way.

Exactly.
It's interesting to see how people react under pressure.

#25 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier

(I remember reading that he got into an altercation with one of Sen. McCain's staffers)

Wow Jaffar. That is one remarkable memory.

(it was in the article :-P )

Sounds kinda fishy - there had to have been cameras around Kerry while he was at the wall. Presidential candidate at the memorial on Memorial Day, talking to schoolkids? If this happened, there has to be some film of it somewhere.

I love a guy who can think on his feet.

"I busted my middle finger when that son-of-a-bitch knocked me over when I was skiiing a few months back - I haven't been able to bend it since."

Agreed that Sampley's actions were questionable, but a Presidential candidate should always be able to show that he is in control of his emotions and able to "take the high road".

#29 Right Wing Conspirator

Indeed it is. In fact, if I put my mind to it, I can vaguely recall what I had for breakfast...

8^P

#33 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier

Don't worry. We'll take care of some more of those pesky braincells with tonights drinking thread ;-)

#30 Ken,

It's still a relatively new story. I would give it a day or two before you make up your mind. If nothing pans out, then so be it.

Jamie (#11),

Are you implying that they made this story up?

Because from what we've seen of John Fucking Kerry it seems right in line.

Or do you think Rolling Stone made that up as well?

And the story of him curing out a Secret Service Agent for 'knocking him dow'? Fabricated?

What about that little 'open mike' incident in Chicago? More lies to impugn the Senators good name?

this story is stupid

Hard to have an opinion on this one that isn't tainted, isn't it?

World class prez-wannabe John "Just call him Flipper" Kerry (now doesn't that just ring?) is provoked into that most primal of urges, to flip an equally flipped Green Beret post-traumatic loon. But, for the rec, Ted "Loon" Sampley gets the enduring schadenfreude here.

I'm sure Flipper is ticked, but to those above who pined that The Senator flipped The Bird at all Veterans, it is true, and a painful reminder of Doughboy Wonder's spotty achievements.

Then again, being a closet-Demo and card-carrying-Repub, I wondered to myself, "How is it that the Dems have gotten such a rash of worthless candidates in the last 40 years?" Answer to self: 'its in the water.' Branch, of course. Just ask Ted. He serves as a running example of eau du skunque that somehow keeps getting repaved [couldn't help it, sorry] in office.

WTG, Dems. Another scintillating rubicon plucked from your midst. Pass the branch, bubba.

GoatGuy

I think it IS presidential, and I hope it IS true... he could flip off that pesky Kim feller, maybe show those mullah's how we do things here in America...

Heck, I think he should of called that guy out. Right there on the playground. Maybe made a crack about his training wheels...

It isn't that it isn't plausible, but the specific incident seems a bit...out there, even for Kerry, and somewhat convient. As well, with no photographic proof, and no other news sites but the (a little bit, maybe?) biased newsmax, I'll have to (in the interest of not being Matt Drudge and just tossing out/believing every rumor that comes my way) put this in the same pile I put tales of Bush's stupidity on a personal scale that sometimes circulate in places like the DU.

If a picture of this exists, John Effin Kerry is sunk.

As someone said earlier, flipping off a vet, in front of school children, at the Vietnam Memorial, on Memorial Day; PRICELESS!

Kerry's blog has an entry about his visit to the Memorial yesterday. No mention of the one finger salute though ... LOL.

I wanted to post a question on the site asking about the veracity of the story, but the posting program is giving me shit about a password I didn't know I had.

Anybody else?

Hi youse'all. Gotta wonder about the accuracy of this report. If it pans out, than everything everyone here has posted about Sen. Kerry is accurate.
Which does NOT mean that if the story turns out to not be true that Kerry doesn't derxerve the dismisive remarks made by the the posters on this thread.
I'm just suscpicious when it comes to "one" media source reporting this story.

This Viet Vet feels flipped at.

#27 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier

Sorry for the early OT, but did you ever wonder what became of Saddam's pistol he had when he was captured?

That story was posted at Fark.com and the resident moonbats had a field day about how "disrespectful - a bunch of people died so he can show off a bad man's sidearm?" completely ignoring the fact that troops in Iraq sent it to him.

Was Ted Sampley wearing a T-shirt with this on it?

Bwaaahahahahahahaha!

LOL - Go Sampley, a hero twice over!

We's ain't Fonda Kerry.

If a picture of this exists, John Effin Kerry is sunk.

Too bad none of the Palestinian lads from the earlier thread was nearby with his camera phone. That would have been a shot to email to the gang back in Gaza.

Didn't see anything on [Link: www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.org...] I figured they'd have it plastered on the front page.

#43 realwest

Are you back for good, Counselor? How are you feeling?

#43 realwest

Welcome back, man.

I'll have to admit too, that I would like to hear about it from a second source. But having said that...
if Bush had allegedly flipped off Nancy Palosi or someone from a liberal African-American group, we'd hear about it non-stop. I've noticed with liberal talking points that turn out not to be true, they show up in editorial cartoons and letters to the editor in newspapers long after disproved.

#42 Thom - password? Huh? I've never encountered that EVER here at LGF.
You sure you and Right Wing Conspirator haven't been practicsing for tonight's drinking thread a WEE bit early?
:>)

I call BS on this story. Come on webmaster, run actual news stories, not unsubstantiated propaganda from the hard right.

#22 RWC
That photo would make an excellent start for one of those homemade campaign videos that folks are starting to produce.
Could you just see that picture with all of those that don't support JFK, slowly disappearing until only the two that do support him are the only ones left. Add in the appropriante commentary and that one might even be picked up by the campaign committee.

#53 realwest

LOL. I meant over at Kerry's blog: [Link: blog.johnkerry.com...] dB^)

#49 Thom™

I hope they do have a picture of this and post it later today.

Sorry for the early OT, but did you ever wonder what became of Saddam's pistol he had when he was captured?

With the appalling gun laws in DC, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Keystone Kops DC police try to bring charges on illegal possession of a firearm.

So because John Kerry is a politician he has to take the kind of crap that this simpleton dished out? I would have tried to punch his lights out.

This guy is nothing but the right-wing equivalent of an anti-globalization protester.

#54 split lip rayfield

If Charles is not entertaining you enough, please feel free to leave.

#59 Gor-don

So you have no problem with a President who goes around beating up people he doesn't like, flipping them off, etc.?

Gordon, so good to see you are finally "up and at 'em" this morning. Now pull your head out and go take on the day.

It is mentioned in the guest book section of VVAJK: [Link: www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.org...]

#50 Papijoe and
#51 RIP Ford
I'd like to think I 'm back for good - but it also could be for EVIL!!!
I'm still in horrilble shape. Six broken bones in fouir ribs, punctured lung, "scratched" lung, pnuemonia and etc. have left me truly EXHAUSTED.
I AM feeling better, and getting better, but it's a long road I'm on.
And I just have to say, that the care, concern and obvious affection shown to me by many lizadroids has definintely helped a lot.
Thanks guys and girls.

"I strongly caution reporters who may be contacted by or are interested in Mr. Ted Sampley and the various organizations he claims to represent, and his opinions on the subject of Senator Kerry, or any subject for that matter, to investigate thoroughly Mr. Sampley's background and history of spreading outrageous slander and other disreputable behavior before inadvertently lending him or his allegations any credibility."

"I am well familiar with Mr. Sampley, and I know him to be one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans. The many veterans I know would think it a disgrace to be considered a comrade or supporter of Ted Sampley."

-Sen John McCain

#64 realwest

One day at a time.

I really hope this is true, but the rest of the media is very quiet. I think even the mainstream would jump on this story if it's legit.
Of course a google search with "Kerry" and "flip" is going to return way too many hits.

I dare Kerry to flip off "Rolling Thunder"

Although Bush never saw combat and Kerry is a highly decorated Vietnam veteran, many in the Rolling Thunder crowd demonstrated little affection for their brother-in-arms. As they rolled across the Memorial Bridge, around the Lincoln Memorial and down Constitution Avenue, bikers displayed signs reading "Stop Kerry" and "Vietnam Vets against Kerry."

In a written statement, Kerry's campaign said, "Nobody has worked harder on veterans and POW-MIA issues than John Kerry." The Kerry statement added that Bush is "misleading Rolling Thunder about his commitment to our veterans and military families

Yeah, JFingK, those gullible biker vets...

Funny, I didn't hear about that on CNN... I'm I to think that there were NO reporters or photographers nearby when that occurred? They might as well go ahead and make turbans an official part of CNN's work uniform (not to let the other networks off the hook, but they simply follow CNN's lead).

Shaikh Kaffir

I think Kerry's response was quite justified. It shows he's no wimp - he's not going to take the crap people like this bozo will dish out during the campaign. He's no Michael Dukakis. People don't want a President who's a wimp. Bush may not be perfect (ho ho ho) but he certainly isn't a wimp either. I have no doubt he wouldn't have "turned the other cheek" in a similar situation instigated by a left-wing bozo.

Painful though it might be, I'm gonna say this is symbolic...in short, i dont believe it. I want confirming witnesses, I want a photo, I wanna hear a kid complaining, i want to hear an audio.

I'm a kerry opponeent from when I was liberal...

just sounds too good. Like a parody almost

#66 RIP Ford - easy for you to say!
;>P

@43 realwest

Hey yourself. :)

You gonna be around the threads later today? Reaganite is supposed to be here.
Howz the ribs?

We had barbequed ribs over at our nephew's yesterday...them's were gud!

#67 papijoe
#68 Shaikh Kaffir

I can't locate any images from his trip to the Wall.

#69 Gordon

It shows he's no wimp - he's not going to take the crap people like this bozo will dish out during the campaign.

I think Sampley is a fool and a media hound. But what Kerry did (if true) shows exactly the opposite (character wise) of what you think it does. Real gentlemen do not condescend to respond (especially in such a crude and vulgar manner) to every idiot that comes along. It is conduct that doesn't speak well of Kerry, nor shows respect for the solemn occasion.

I'm skeptical because this isn't reported anywhere else.

this sampley guy is a certifiable nutcase, but even if he did challenge John see-my-F'in-finger Kerry, the response (if it did in fact happen) is unwarranted in front of schoolchildren.

#36 Geepers,

They may have made it up, they have gotten it from a dubious source, or they could actually be telling the truth. NewsMax is not, in and of itself, a credible source regardless of how in character you believe the reported incident to be. If it appears elsewhere or we get a picture of the incident, then I might believe it. Until then, I would consider this story to be unsubstantiated BS.

Yeah, right. Flicking someone off, while surrounded with armed Secret Service agents, proves you're no wimp.

#71 realwest

Hey, I've been there before. Although, it was only 2 or 3 ribs. Hurt like Hell. It's definitely one of the most painful injuries I've had.

Anyway, glad you're back. :P

From Howard Dean's rudenesss to a questioner when he was campaigning (I think in Iowa) to Kerry's flippant remark about Bush falling off his bicycle ("was the training wheels on"?) and now this, there has been an unusally boorish group of Dem candidates out there.

#69 Gor-don

And you would say the same thing if it was Bush flipping and cursing?

I doubt it.

#72 Qark2 - I expect to be around later today/tonight. I DIDN'T find your crack about barbequed ribs even remotely entertaining, however (clinging on to whatever vestige of diginity he can muster derived from his accident).
How's Mikey? How the bleep are you?

Two caveats followed by my take on the above.

1. I can't conceive of any eventuality which will stop me from voting for President Bush's reelection.

2. I have many problems with Senator Kerry.

Take: Whatever problems anyone may have with his service record or his subsequent voting record, Sen. Kerry was absolutely beyond all possible question entitled to stand in front of that memorial, and the gentleman who spoke up to the contrary was entirely wrong. Putting myself in JFK's shoes I find it hard to imagine acting otherwise. For all the ribbing we make about his incessant trumpeting of his service, he did serve, and to have that insulted would cause any vet to see red.

Those of us who favor W's reelection would, I believe, do well to leave JFK's service record alone. I know the LLL's have been horrible about Bush's, but it didn't work for them. Anyone who says the word AWOL is an irretrievable victim of BDS, so looney they may even vote for Nader.

.02 FWIW

#67 Papiejoe

I helped out on the Wisconsin state assembly campaign for one of these guys while I was in college.

Republican Dave Zien from the Chippewa Falls area. His tradmark is his Harley with an American flag flapping behind it. Kind of an outspoken guy, but probably an exact opposite of Kerry. Big on veterans issues, second amendment rights, and carried an American flag with him when he ran a marathon.

In the fall of 2000 while a crowd was waiting at the Eau Claire airport for George Bush to show up, Dave climbed up on top of a van and led the crowd in cheers and chants.

It looks like former Wisconsin governor Tommy Thompson was there also.

#79 Thom: I have to admit, I might make some political hay about it. But I would actually be more impressed if Bush confronted such a joker than if he hid behind his secret service agents.

Gordon,

I have no doubt he wouldn't have "turned the other cheek" in a similar situation instigated by a left-wing bozo.

He would likely have made some sarcastic off-color remark that would be gravely reported all over the mainstream media by now, not just a few internet websites.

#81 rebmiami

For all the ribbing we make about his incessant trumpeting of his service

okay, let's be nice to realwest and leave the ribs alone...

realwest,

feel better, and whatever you do ... don't laugh!!!

#80 realwest

Check your mail when you get a chance.

You may have already won the Publishers Clearinghouse Grand Prize :-P

#83 Gor-don

I guess we have very different conceptions of the dignity of the Presidency.

Kerry flips off a vet? That's not exactly what I would expect from John effin Kerry. What I expect would be more like this:

Oh Marvin! Come hither, Marvin. I say...would you flip off that man with the garish t-shirt? Thank you.

As much as it pains me to say this, I have way agree with Gordon. This wasn't the place (or time) to come up to do this. Leave it for a more blantant campaign event. Just as I condemned Paul Wellstone for using the memorial as a campaign event (opposing first pres Bush), this guy should have done it elsewhere.

But yes, it also wasn't a good response from Kerry. Either ignore him or talk down to him (humilate him). Not flip him off.

"Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose. "

I like this guy Sampley. Heh heh.

@69 Gor - don

I'm waiting for the Lizardoid King to tie a knot in your tongue. If you haven't perused the threads from yesterday, I would advise you to do so.
You've been warned. :)

Gordon

I know this is OT, but I also know that you just love stories like this:

Pizza man saved by gun, but fired for packin' heat.

Jerome Brown-Dancler approached Honeycutt at around 11 p.m. on May 17 just after he had made a pizza delivery in Indianapolis. According to the report, Brown-Dancler pointed a 9 mm handgun at the Pizza Hut employee as he was entering his van.

Brown-Dancler's gun carried a loaded 14-round clip but had no bullet in the chamber, Crawford told the Star. When confronted, Honeycutt pulled his own 9 mm from the back of his pants and fired until it was empty. He says he fired 15 times in about eight seconds. An autopsy revealed Brown-Dancler was hit at least 10 times.

Sometimes it's a blessing that criminals are so f'ing stupid.

"His concern was he made an error, and the only thing he could say when I was grabbing his gun off the ground was, 'I just wanted pizza.'"

Well, if that's all you wanted you probably could have sold your gun and bought a couple of pizzas.

#73 can't locate any images from his trip to the Wall.

I had news on yesterday (probably FOX) and there was a short video clip of Kerry at the wall, speaking with kids...no mention that I heard regarding his flipping though.

First of all I don't believe it actually happened and I won't until there is some kind of substantiation from elsewhere.

Second, Pierre Trudeau flipped off a bunch or protestors going after him when he was on a private junket with his kids. Their behavior was out of line. Made all the press, including some images with his hand up and blurred.

Big deal. --- Not. I put it in the same class as Hilary Clinton's choclate cookie recipe. Can we deal with some subtance please folks? Like how would his economic proposals affect the economy? This is tripe.

Just for Gordon;

Can you say TREASON?!

I knew you could...

#85 Hedge - I'll try hard not to laugh, although reading LGF is sort of tempting the dragon, but the real problem is that is hurts when I just breathe.
#90 Postal Worker - I know him persoanlly. He is not amusing, informative or insightfull He's a wacko. Period.

#38

"John the Flipper Kerry"?

That's gonna be damn funny if he gets elected, then sends troops to Iraq to "finish the job Bush started"

The battle cry? Win one for the Flipper!

I've got one of Sampley's bumber stickers on my car and have spread the fourteen others I bought amongst the coalition of the wiling in my town.

It'll have to do until Ted Sampley (or some other entrepreneur comes out with a "I Wouldn't Piss On John Kerry If He Was On Fire" bumper sticker.

Mr Sampley is a man with a fully operational set of balls.

Go Ted!

Well, Rush just mentioned this, so I'm hoping it's true.

Too funny.

I just sent an e-mail to Mr. Sampley's organization, asking for corroborating evidence. We'll see if I get anything from them.

Let's get off this subject of the Flipper flipping somebody off. Let's look on in awe at his basketball skills.

So Bush hasn't even lost yet and everyone wants to sniff Kerry's finger?

Gordon? Maybe John Effin Kerry should beat the shit out of this woman also.

Sen. John Kerry's record as an anti-war protester came back to haunt him on Memorial Day when he was confronted by a heckler as he tried to pay his respects to a soldier killed in the Vietnam War.

"How much money are you getting to betray our POWs?" an unidentified middle-aged woman shouted as Kerry visited the Vietnam Veterans memorial on the Washington Mall.

"Are you paying tribute to all the people you spat on, Senator Kerry?" she added. The top Democrat did not respond.
Ha ha!

#99 Beth

Did he cite Newsmax?

RWC:

Ahhh...nothing warms the heart like the smell of pizza and gunpowder and a smoking barrel!

Scratch one Democrat!

@80 realwest

Man it's so good to see you posting again. :)

I'm fine...I think.
Hubby's step father died suddenly on Sunday morning. We're still waiting to hear what the arrangements will be. He lived down in Florida. I'll let you know more when I hear something.
M's doing okay. They've changed his meds around and are rescheduling his therapy for ptsd. The appeal is still ongoing. Haven't heard anything about that.

Why GWB Sucks at Foreign Policy [and other lessons he should learn from John pull-my-flipping-finger Kerry]

1. when arfrat "reached out his hand," GWB didn't give him the finger!

2. when AQ committed terrorism on our shores, GWB should have just flipped them the bird!

3. when Saddam said he had no WMD, GWB shouldv'e just held up three fingers and said read between the lines!

3. when France went all wimpy frog on the WOT, GWB didn't just say I fart in your general direction [with middle finger protruding]!

4. when Syria flagrantly aids and abets terrorism, GWB should simply flip them off!

The middle finger is the most potent foreign policy device and is simply being ignored by our CIC. We want a leader with backbone that is not afraid of looking absolutely in charge with his protruding digit. The middle finger exudes such confidence, style, and power that no other digit can possibly hold a candle to. All bow and tremble before the bird!

/sarcasm OFF

"Sampley is a felon!"

Is this really true? The linked article talks about an assault, but is this enough to guarantee a felony conviction?

Monday, as he left the Vietnam memorial, a woman shouted at Kerry, asking him whether he was "paying tribute to all the people you spit on." Kerry did not respond.

CNN w/ a single "birdless" still photo at the VN Memorial

The woman's comment is not mentioned in all accounts of Kerry's visit to the Wall.

I think I know what's going on here.

Kerry is a republican plant!

In fact he's probably a neo-con plant.

At some point in the Seventies Halliburton recruited Kerry.

Listen, they know that Bush and then Bush junior will do what they're told when they become president, and they know that they will be so lame that they will lose after one term, so they plant someone who will get the nomination then implode just before polling and then they'll have control and...

/ San Francisco Justice for Iraq and Lentils

#104 Marc

We will see. Just because someone is dead isn't a guarantee that they will not vote Democratic ;-) Just ask Daley.

#59 Gordon:

So because John Kerry is a politician he has to take the kind of crap

Did you say the same when Bush called that reporter a major-league asshole? Or were you one of the ones crowing that it made him "unpresidential"

BTW, I don't know if you guys recall, but some years ago some dipshit got up in the PM's (Chretien's) face during a meet & greet. Without missing a stride, Chretien rached out, grabbed the guy by the throat, and bulldogged him.

Only thing he did in 10 years that I admired.

;-)

106

"...when Saddam said he had no WMD, GWB shouldv'e just held up three fingers and said read between the lines!..."

So are you saying Bush would have invaded and occupied Ted Sampley?

Witness account of this "event"?

re: #103 Thom

Honestly, I tuned in after he started talking about it, so I'm not sure what source he was citing. Sorry 'bout that.

My e-mail to the VVAJK web site was bounced back due to full mailbox. I'll try again later.

#96 realwest

Does the fact that Mr. Sampley is a loon make Kerry's presumed response any less "unpresidential"? I would think that if you know someone is a nut, you ignore him.

Also, I'm sorry to hear about your injuries. Hope you're feeling better sooner than expected!

#113 Kevin P:

That's not a witness account. That's a recounting of Sampley's story "as told to".

Remember this is from Newsmax.

Imagine a professional athlete, with a short successful career, leaving the team and then falsely bad-mouthing it. Imagine someone like Alex Rodriguez or Ken Griffey, getting the numbers they got, at the end of their contract going before the baseball commissioner's board and telling lie after lie:

"The team all took performance-enhancing drugs. We all cheated and accepted bribes from bookies to throw games. I myself took part in these illegal practices."

Not only this, but he travels across the country telling people the same stories. He even returns his awards to the MLB office.

Remember, he knows he's not telling the truth, his team-mates know he's not telling the truth: the only people with doubts are the MLB, the fans, and the media.

As a result of his widely-believed fabrications, his teammates are spit on everywhere they go, and the fame that was once theirs is lost. Advertising contracts disappear. No matter what they say or how much they protest, the lie is believed. Many lives and reputations are ruined.

Decades later, Cooperstown Baseball Hall of Fame is set to choose a new baseball commissioner. In the running is our liar from long ago: his main claim to fame is his great record. He was named MVP several times, even though his career was very short. He had high RBIs, great batting average, and was in the All-Stars. In his office rows of trophies sit... despite his having returned them. We find out he returned someone else's.

His former teammates are furious. They know that the lies he told ruined their chances for happiness during the awful years that his stories were repeated and became permanently engraved in the public consciousness. But his athletic record is repeated incessantly; the lies are glossed over, in fact they are twisted into evidence to the power of his conscience! He is referred to not only as a baseball hero but a man of intergrity who fought against baseball excesses. The lives he ruined are forgotten, as is the fact that, if the stories of cheating were true, he took part in it.

So his teammates get together to denounce him, to strongly condemn his potential appointment. This is ignored by the press as a conspiracy engineered by his rivals for the job... and who can trust them, since they were cheaters, and never had stats as good as the whistleblower?

---

This is what is happening now, with candidate John Kerry. Upon his return to the USA after a tour of duty opposing the North Vietnamese alongside the South Vietnamese, who we later abandoned, he called his fellow soldiers war criminals. He reported to Congress that U.S. soldiers had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

He knew he was telling lies, and his fellow combatants also knew. They came home to a suspicious public unable to cheer them or thank them, because his lies had convinced Americans that their returning vets might be criminals and fiends.
The veterans' wounds may never heal. Many lives were ruined as a direct result of John Kerry's false testimony. And now, he presumes to emphasize his service, ignoring the dishonor he heaped on his brothers in arms and himself. He also wants us to ignore the very distinct possibility that, by swaying public opinion against achieving victory over the Viet Cong, he helped to create millions of South Vietnamese refugees:

Veterans, Vietnamese unite to oppose Kerry

Dan Tran is president of the Vietnam Human Rights Project and a member of Vietnamese Americans Against John Kerry. "John Kerry aided and abetted the communist government in Hanoi and has hindered any human rights progress in Vietnam," Tran said.

Should we let him abandon the Iraqis, too?

[Link: medvedfans.blog-city.com...]

#100 RWC

Excellent photo. Captions?

"And I said to Dean I'll dribble you all across Texas, and California, and Massachusetts, and Michigan, and Ohio..."

Senator Kerry bows toward the sacred Orb of NBAism, which has traveled with him since he began his campaign. Some credit the orb with mystical powers, but not in the hands of Detroit.

"This basketball reminds me of Vietnam. Did you know I served there?"

#117 Bleeding heart conservative:

Excellent analogy.

Ok, I actually come across what really happened yesterday at the Vietnam Memorial. This is what John effin Kerry did...

Gah! Warn us next time, Kevin P.!

"Remember, he knows he's not telling the truth, his team-mates know he's not telling the truth: the only people with doubts are the MLB, the fans, and the media."

Problem with this metaphor is that he is not the only one of his teammates who expressed doubts at the time, eh? He just happens to be the only one running for "Captain" who actually played in the same league.

/devil's advocate

#117

And his testimoney has been used as anti-American propaganda for decades. When I heard it played on the Hugh Hewitt show this spring, it took me a while to figure out where I heard all of this before (like word for word). And it hit me.

While in college, I got into an arguement with some people in my dorm wing. They were telling about this film their political science professor had shown the class. It was all these horrible things that this vet had admitted doing and most all veterans were guilty of. This left wing professor was showing Kerry's testimoney to discredit the US and US armed forces. These students fell for all of it. They got mad when I told them it is political propaganda.

Thanks John Kerry. My three relatives who fought in Vietnam appreciate what you've done (sarcasm).

#112 Moishe Pipick

yea, then all the LLLs would run around with "Free Sampley" tshirts...that'd be a hoot!

Ah, now I remember - NewsMax is Chris Roddy's (sp) organization. Roddy was the one who got fired from the NY Post because he wouldn't stop babbling conspiracy theories involving Vince Foster's death.

Frank IBC,

If Roddy were babbling conspiracies about the GOP, he'd be a star at the Times.

Some more on Hanoi john:

Kerry honored at communist museum

A Ho Chi Minh City museum that honors Vietnam war protesters features a photograph of Sen. John Kerry being greeted by the general secretary of the Communist Party, Comrade Do Muoi.

A snapshot of the display in the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum – formerly known as the "War Crimes Museum" – was acquired over the weekend by Jeffrey M. Epstein of V ietnam Vets for the Truth, a group opposing Kerry's campaign for the presidency. (read rest of article)

Carl Limbacher's bio, fwiw.

Kerry is held in regard by the enemy and was honored by them. Guess that's the thanks he received for being a traitor. And now he wants to be president.
[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

If a picture exists, I will make sure it gets to my VFW post and to all other veteran's organizations that I can reach.

I will have a lot of help. Do any pictures exist, or not?

"Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."

Whether you like the senator or not he is a vietnam veteran and he does very much belong there. People like Ted Sampley are killing Bush's re-election campaign...

Oui, oui, nous amour français l'oiseau
viva au sénateur Kerry

For you Americans:

Yes yes, we French love the 'bird'
Viva senator Kerry

Where is the picture to prove this? Newsmax is as far to the loonie bin on the right as the Guardian is on the left. Use a real source, this one is akin to al reuters

Kerry said yesterday at the Vietnam memorial that he will LEAD our troops OUT of Iraq. Thanks for ensuring our defeat, buttwipe.

To say we are engaged in a "war on terror" is to give the impression that we are fighting against some relatively small ragtag band of crazy religious zealots, sort of like Jim Jones, or the Branch Davidians. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Islamic-jihadists have networks throughout the world and their followers may well number into the millions. We are fighting World War III, and I wish somebody in our government would say so. The Islamists have declared a holy war on us and they are prepared to fight us to the death no matter how many years it takes. As yet there are many Americans who still believe we can somehow negotiate with them or treat them as though they are just a few misguided criminals. As one political pundit has so clearly put it, "How can we expect to win when they're willing to die for their cause — but we are not willing to even kill for our survival?"

PC is killing us

One for the Estrofest Sistahs:

Edward Powell (left), president and chief executive officer, USO; Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld (right) applaud country music superstar Wynonna Judd during her May 21, 2004, concert at the Pentagon celebrating National Military Appreciation Month.

#131 rust
He has as much right to be there as Benedict Arnold had to be at the first July 4th celebration.

#130 is sure to cause confusion. Perhaps you can choose a different nic?

#130 Charles

I am looking, but nothing yet. I want to spread this photo far and wide, if one exists. The local VFW will be my first stop as well.

#131 Iron Oxide

John effin Kerry's own words;

"We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw Ammerica lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly a My Lai and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum.

We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of orientals."

As an officer in the USN, John effin Kerry had an obligation to report such things, why didn't he?!

Hey, realwest is back! Our mole in NYC academia (brave man!)

Taking the name of Our Lizardoid Master in vain!

Ted Sampley was out of line.

This is America. Even Jane Fonda should be able to walk next to the memorial without being harrassed by the likes of him.

OT, but WTF?!

how bush* dissed OUR WWII Veterans to build his own WAR monument

This is just another example of how the LLL twists things...

#138

"As an officer in the USN, John effin Kerry had an obligation to report such things, why didn't he?!"

Uh, he did, that's why everyone is so upset.

Guys get your story straight...did he lie (117) or was he slow to respond (138)?

Kerry is one class act! or Kerry is a one-class act?

I would be surprised if he actually finished first grade.

I would like too have a little more corraboration on this story before I can fully deem it accurate...though it is in keeping with Kerry's personality...classless to be sure!!

Newsmax is kinda like Debka...they get some right and some wrong...

Thanks

#143 Moishe Pipick

Uh, he didn't report it. Kerry lied. It has been proven to be a lie, end of story.

#87 Thom: The "dignity of the Presidency" went out the door with George Bush Sr. Neither of his successors could be classified as "dignified." Kerry represents the new rude order.

#91 quark2: I'm a lone wolf. Not associated with any stupid left-wing internet stalking group. Sorry to bust up your conspiracy theory. Although I'm sure you won't believe me...

(#147) Gordon

Not with Nixon, or Johnson, or Kennedy or Harding?

Why George H.W. Bush?

#59 Gordon -
President Bush puts up with this kind of crap every time he holds a Q&A with the press.
If Kerry can't stand that little bit of heat without becoming a thirteen-year-old, he's sure isn't presidential. You think he can handle the likes of a Palestinian "peace talks" rep? No way.

@143

Kerry testified before Congress with lies. He was not prosecuted after the fact for NOT reporting his alledged war crimes he and others were assumed to have committed.
And since then he has back pedalled like a hermit crab trying to wend his way out of the corner he's backed himself into.
Either he told the truth testifying and was not brought up on charges for complicity. Or, he was lying to aid and abet the enemy. YOU can't have it both ways either.

The freepers have a thread about this (Newsmax is the cite). [Link: www.freerepublic.com...] No pics there either.

The thread there is already archived. Not looking good ...

#102 Kevin P. Did you applaud too when the 9/11 hecklers disrupted Rudy Giuliani's testimony recently? I bet you thought it was an outrage (as it indeed was).

So are you a stinking hypocrite?

I posted this on the RoPMA thread but it needs to be here.

Oh, this is precious.

What foriegn leaders like Kerry?:

Communist Vietnamese Honor John Kerry, the War Protestor, as a Hero in the Communist Victory over the United States in the Vietnam War.

In the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum (formerly known as the "War Crimes Museum") in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), a photograph of John Kerry hangs in a room dedicated to the anti-war activists who helped the Vietnamese Communists win the Vietnam War. The photograph shows then-Massachusetts Lieutenant Governor Kerry being greeted by the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, Comrade Do Muoi.

Nice Photo, John!

Now if we can just find one of you flipping off a Vietnam Vet on Memorial Day, at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, in front of children.

Opps

Here is the link

Communist Vietnamese Honor John Kerry, the War Protestor, as a Hero in the Communist Victory over the United States in the Vietnam War.

#117 Bleeding Heart Conservative: So now let's see your long-winded companion smear of George Bush, former frat boy, national guard draft evader, drunk, bankrupt, etc.

You haven't written one? Surprise, surprise, surprise!

#154 Rednek:

Yes, because as we all know, consorting with Commies disqualifies you from holding the office of President.

@148 Gordon

No one said anything about any comspiracy theory.
I take it you did not read what Charles has decided.

As to believing you? Were your hands moving when you typed your response on your keyboard?

#157

You are an idiot.

Learn some critical thinking skills.

#149 SoCalJustice: Sorry for the confusion, I meant that George Bush Sr. was the last dignified President we had. Although his "bozo's" nonsense at the end of the 1992 campaign was a sign of vulgar times to come.

There's a big difference between a President conducting diplomacy with a fellow head of state who is communist, and having your photo up in the Ho Chin Minh Hall of Fame ...

John Kerry is a traitor.

#160 Gordon

But he threw up on the Japanese!!

Moishe Pipick = Moist Pipwick

/couldn't resist

#160 Thom: Good point. I'm sure other Presidents have thrown up on their hosts too. Unfortunately for George, his was apparently the first time caught on film.

#157 Rednek:

You are an idiot.

Learn some critical thinking skills.

Wow! The scales have been removed from my eyes! Thank you, TrailerParkTrash, I mean Rednek, for that absolutely trenchant analysis of my post. Not only was it incisive, but it truly addressed the point of my post.

Gosh, how did they ever survive when you were able to stop repeating your senior year of high school?

Unless you have something to say that constitutes actual processing of human thought, why waste your time proving to everyone here what an utter waste of meat you are?

#153 Gordon:

big difference between Rudy's reaction to the hecklers and Kerry's reaction to his hecker. Rudy acknowledged the difficult situation, chose not to lower himself to their level, and maintained decorum. Kerry flashed the big middle finger, and acted undiplomatically.

Were the hecklers wrong in their choice of forum and methods? Yes.

Were the reactions of the focus of the hecklers different.

Worlds apart - one showed class and diplomacy. The other showed us that he's not ready for Prime Time.

Moishe Pipick :

"As an officer in the USN, John effin Kerry had an obligation to report such things, why didn't he?!"

Uh, he did, that's why everyone is so upset.

Guys get your story straight...did he lie (117) or was he slow to respond (138)?

If Kerry was committing atrocities, not reporting them to his superiors, then the accusation holds. He never said anything about atrocities while he was serving under an admiral after being pulled out of combat.

If he lied later during the Senate testinomy, that begs the question, why DIDN'T he report them earlier and better yet, not commit them?

Darn,

Can you still hear a loon scream if it is screaming from a newspaper column?At least Howard Dean, MD, will have a job!

Howard Dean Starts Syndicated Column

Here is his syndicator:

Cagle Cartoons

I swear that I did not make this up! :)

@156 Gord - 0

You really need to stop leaving those barbed popsickle sticks anally injected. Your vitriolic bitterness is dripping from my monitor.

And, you need to either start debating honestly or leave.

The finger?
In front of schoolkids?
On memorial day?
To a vet?
In front of "the wall"?

Holy crap. I'm surprised the unknown soldier didn't make an appearance next to a bus full of nuns. In wheelchairs.

You guys are funny. I'll expect to see this in my inbox with 200 names on a "petition" soon asking for the Congress to ban Kerry from running. And I'll sign it right after I forward another email to 25 of my friends so Bill Gates can send me my cheque for trying out his new email tracking software.

Sheesh. As if bthere would no one with a cellphone, video camera or digital vid camera running to document the event.

You think he can go anywhere public without a Replican honour guard carring vid cameras? Please.

#165

I will type slowly this time so you can understand

You

Are

An

Idiot

151 "Either he told the truth testifying and was not brought up on charges for complicity. Or, he was lying to aid and abet the enemy. YOU can't have it both ways either."

That either/or proposes a very forced choice. Maybe the kind of behavior Kerry described during his testimony was relatively widespread...enough that it seemed soemthing like "normal" at the time. Afterwards, it didn't seem so benign and Kerry decided to say something. Many Vietnam vets did. Now he is running for president at a time when military service is a huge issue and Iraq is turning into something resembling...

We *all* need to be a little careful.

#161 Thom:

And if your were to find out that the picture of Nixon and Mao was hanging in the Great Hall of the People as part of an exhibit glorifying the achievementys of Chairman Mao, would that be better or worse?

(#160) Gordon

Got it. Sorry for the misread.

For the record, I would say hiring Jim Baker was fairly undignified, but I'm biased.

#171 Rednek:

Amd you sir, are an uncivil cretin with nothing but hackneyed insults and a dearth of ideas to offer.

#175

You are still an idiot

Prove to me you are not an idiot.

#164 Gordon

I felt so bad for him when that happened. (And I voted for him - twice.)

On the dignity scale, Clinton has to be down around zero. If Bush 41 was a 9 or 10, I'd give W a solid 7 or 8. What say you?

#156 long-winded companion smear of George Bush, former frat boy, national guard draft evader, drunk, bankrupt, etc.

1. Smear? Did I smear Kerry? Isn't lying about US soldiers committing war crimes wrong? Is saying that it's wrong a smear???

2. Frat boy? I'm sorry but I'm lost. fratboy=lying about atrocities?

3. National Guard Draft evader. Still parsing that one... joining the military...becoming a fighter pilot...active unit...could be sent to Vietnam... draft evasion... nope, can't figure that one out. 10,000 guardsmen died in Vietnam. Zero Oxford students did.

4. Drunk. Ok, you win:

The president got drunk, and that's bad.

There, happy now? There's my companion smear. You silver-tongued devil, you.

#168

Dr. Dean's weekly column!!! Awesome!

I have this weird rash that I'm sure he can help me with. Although I imagine the column is about politics or some such that he knows nothing about.

#176 Rednek:

Too late. I've already proved I am an idiot by responding to you. Buh-bye, pinhead.

I'm still chewing on why being a former member of a fraternity is bad...even to the point of being compared with calling your fellow soldiers rapists and baby killers under oath. Did someone not get a bid?

Moishe,

Maybe the kind of behavior Kerry described during his testimony was relatively widespread...enough that it seemed soemthing like "normal" at the time. Afterwards, it didn't seem so benign and Kerry decided to say something.

Um, I don't think any American soldier would consider cutting off people's ears and killing or raping at will "normal" behavior, even in a war zone. Have you even read Kerry's testimony? Perhaps if you did, you'd see why so many of us are ticked off about it.

...they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war...

#92 RWC:

That incident happened right here in my hometown. I work on the Northside and live Southside, and I am reluctant to stop in many of the neigborhoods in between. Most folks I know are somewhat incensed that the man was fired and may face criminal charges. Like they say, it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

#180

Idiot.

LOL! Nobody excites an audience like Kerry...

Renna, don't you know it's the dreaded antichrist "Skull and Bones" fraternity? Just Google "Chuck Harder" and you'll learn more than you ever wanted to know.

169

"[Gordon] you need to either start debating honestly or leave."

Like this:

"Kerry lied. It has been proven to be a lie, end of story."

this:

"You

Are

An

Idiot "

or this:

"Moishe Pipick = Moist Pipwick"

(whatever that means???)

Can someone please direct me to the highground?

#179 TMF

I have this weird rash that I'm sure he can help me with.

You have either touched a newspaper that has the column, if indeed any do, or you have inadvertently touched the monitor whle scrolling past a troll's posting.

Wash off the fingers involved, or the mouse with an appropriate sanitizer. Take 2 virtual aspirin, and post in the morning if the rash persists.

My bill is in the mail.

Honestly some of you posters need to have brain cleansing treatment. Just because a story appears in Newsmax, it doesn't mean it's untrue. Just because Chris Ruddy (?) is involved, doesn't mean it should be scoffed at. You all remind me of some of my forty something very affluent boomer relations whose lifestyle is to the right of Attila the Hun's but whose voting patterns are left, left, left and they don't see the disconect. I tell them all the time that they would rather be accused of pedophilia than conservatism or libertarianism and they get quite huffy. Incidentally, to support the irony of the live rich and vote poor yuppies, I live near the Niagara parkway, very pricey real estate indeed, and it's the only area in my parliamentary riding where the NDP (Socialist) election signs abound.

#169 qüark2

You really need to stop leaving those barbed popsickle sticks anally injected.

Oh shit! (no pun intended.) Bad, VERY bad visual here! LMFAO

#190 Millie Woods:

And what exactly, pray tell, is a "right-wing lifestyle"?

Keep going Kerry. Some more of this.

George W Bush likes to eat poultry and will enjoy cooking your goose.

Can someone please direct me to the highground?

Okay.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

#177 Thom: I would give the Shrub a 2 on the dignity scale. But then, I don't like him, and you do, so that probably explains the difference...

#190

"Talk like a Democrat. Live like a Republican"

I see alot of that.

While the conduct may or may not have happened, it is so within character that it is quite believable.

Actually, I find the bird-flipping part to be way more believable than the secret service incident. John F***g Kerry skiing into his secret service protector and then whining that the sonofabitch knocked him down was just WAY too bizarre.

#195 Gordon

A 2? How could you justify such a low rating? What is your Clinton rating for comparison purposes?

Hi Guys,

Well he's finally went off the deep end, when the picture comes out it's all over. I have been to wall, and have friends that are on it, and to me that wall is a special place.

I don't really agree with sampley's tactics, but if it will show what a bird brain kerry and gordon are then more power to the vet.

#199

Was there a picture?

Re Moishe Pipick...

It was also my parents' OBM nick name for my oldest son...as to what is means? Literally it translates to Moses' belly button. I have a feeling that it is just a Yiddish term of endearment...

#182 Iagofest:

"...shot cattle and dogs for fun..."

Kerry was involved in cattle rustlin'? GET A ROPE!

182

I've read it...and that's why I was careful to say "something *like* normal".

I don't defend Kerry aboslutely. And I certainly can't say what I would have done if I were in Kerry's shoes. Most likely, knowing myself at that age, I would have followed a route much closer to GWB's which I think was easier. I simply take my choice for who I vote for president seriously, especially during these times, and for me that involves actively refusing to demonize either candidate.

#190 Millie Woods -

Just because a journalist is not an LLL, does not automatically mean that s/he is not a moonbat.

But it sure helps.

#204 Moishe Pipick:

actively refusing to demonize either candidate.

Careful. That can cause some serious seething here.

190 Millie Woods

"Just because a story appears in Newsmax, it doesn't mean it's untrue."

Absolutely correct.

However, in the days we are in, with every side looking for the moral advantage, you have to be doubly careful before you accept something like this as factual based on one source. Especially when the source quoted is so clearly biased. I'd say the same thing regardless of who was being quoted, because this is the kind of story that PR people like me dream up over beers and nachos at PR conventions, under the heading of "Fabulous fake stories to float on the internet."

Read it yourself, and tell me what you think.
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]
Is Kerry really dumb enough to give a guy like that ammunition?

@188

Your equavating still does not make it right, or justify it.

@191 Kevin P

Umm, well maybe it's the inheritance of anal retentiveness? :)

#207

Without a photo the story will die.

And rightfully so.

#189 NY Nana

Thanks NN! My virtual payment is in the virtual mail as well!

#197 SwampWoman:

whining that the sonofabitch knocked him down

LOL. Exactly. While I don't think that telling someone that they're #1 is particularly presidential, I can almost understand how someone could be provoked into it. Blaming the guy detailed to take a bullet for your sorry ass is simply pathetic, and I think speaks volumes more about Kerry's character than the (apparent) incident at the memorial.

@206 Dread Pirate Gryphon

Uh, you mean we're not supposed to seethe? :)

Y'all all do know we have a FULL MOON tonight.

That ought to influence the drinking thead!

I can see the caption, of any pics of John Fonda Kerry at the wall. "Wonder how many names I personally added?"

I hope the names on that wall haunt him. He surely had a hand in putting them there. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Ho Chi Min would be more welcome at the wall! At least he declared which side he was on!

#213 quark2 (please tell me how to code the umlaut!):

Didn't say we're not supposed to seethe. I just prefer the more seemly seething we are often seen to do, as opposed to the unseemly seething I seem to see in some of our less salubrious naysayers. And I'd sure like to see a lot more salacious seething - it seems the standard seething is sillier than the sexy seething I seem to want to see.

Is Kerry really dumb enough to give a guy like that ammunition?

Uhhuh

OT: Homefront news

Sorry I missed the Hollywood AWOL thread from yesterday.

I know some folks in "the biz" here. A producer friend was telling me, WEARILY, that almost ALL the scripts she's getting these days, esp. from young writers, are antiwar polemics. Preachy and boring, even to a staunch Dem. like herself. She finds this particularly annoying because her firm doesn't do agitprop, but fantasy flicks, fer cryin' out loud.

And for an example of the "mindset" of these folks; a director suggested remaking the alien race in a sci-fi series (in the books, described as implacably hostile and attempting to completely destroy the human race), as a BENEVOLENT force that destroys most of humanity in order to SAVE us from ourselves, and TEACH us that WAR and VIOLENCE are WRONG. Bad humans, bad! Superior beings (like this Director, for instance) will kill us all to make us BEHAVE.

What a mindfukk. This dude oozed sincerity and Concern, and it totally eluded the grasp of his alleged mind that the violence he was advocating, in a poisonously soft voice, was FAR worse than anything he was deploring.

That's their moral blind spot. They AREN't against violence--they just hate our freakin' guts and want US all dead.

/Leah caps off

No doubt the NY Times, CBS, etc. will either cover it up, or if they don't, they will say it was somehow provoked by the GOP and it was all their fault.

Now I am beginning to understand a little what life was like in the USSR, when all media outlets distorted, lied, and hid information so as to advance and defend the official leftist party line.

Because the American media is doing the exact same thing today.

OT:

See, they can be assimilated.

Look at the front page pic

Students from the Calgary Islamic School

#202

nynana

Re: MP

It can also mean "a ridiculous person".

(Not to put your son in that category.)

No 207:

Is Kerry really dumb enough to give a guy like that ammunition?

As Howard Dean would put it 'Yeaaahhh'.

#220 Cam:

Maybe they can assimilate, but they sure as hell can't fucking SPELL any better than the idiots we're graduating in the States!

#162 Thom™

LOL!

[struggles to regain stern demeanor]

Knock it off Thom™ ! You're inciting to read G***'s posts!

#219

Just say "NYET to the NYT!

#215 The Dread Pirate Gryphon

You can copy and paste from here.

Ö ö

Moishe,

The reliability of the soldiers' testimonies Kerry used in his Winter Soldier testimony before Congress has been called into question. Apparently, some them never served in the military and some were in the military, but had never seen action in Vietnam. I don't know if every witness is bogus, but it was Kerry's responsibility to make sure the accusations were true before slandering his fellow soldiers while they were still fighting and dying in Vietnam.

I don't know how reliable this webpage is, but decide for yourself. What I find most reprehensible is that Kerry had never apologized for his slanderous testimony, whether he knew the charges were true or not.

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/kerrys_fake_warriors. htm#KERRYS%20FAKE%20WARRIORS

So? He's a Viet Vet as well. What a lame, pathetic waste of bandwith.

#223 The Dread Pirate Gryphon:

LMAO!

Baby steps, my friend, baby steps.

;-)

Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)
At the risk of seeming opportunistic, is there any chance I could get a script into your producer friend's hand, or at least a one-sheet pitch? I got an award for it from Seattle Intl FF.

#226 RIP Ford:

Thanks!

#228 james

Pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?

#231 The Dread Pirate Gryphon

Not a problem.

Under certain circumstances, a President can be rude and I'll happily accept it. Example...

I think it was right after the 1984 election was completed, Reagan was giving a speach somewhere. Some lefty was screaming at him the whole time. This was a raunchy campaign rally, but at a speach to a quiet polite group.

Ron stops talking, looks at the guy, and says "SHUT UP!". It worked. Reagan had enough of the obnoxious left and let this guy know it.

Ted Sampley: Agent of the VRWC, taking his orders directly from Karl Rove. The nefarious Shrubco and his allies will stop at nothing to discredit and humiliate America's last best hope, John Kerry.

Cam (#220),

Well of course they like hockey, it's a violent sport. ;-P

#236 Deuce

Shush, the adults are talking.

#192 - Perhaps if I knew how you translated "whose lifestyle is to the right of Attila the Hun's" into "right-wing lifestyle", I'd have some idea of where you're coming from. Putting your words into quotes thus suggesting that they're mine is very naughty.

#236

Evidence?

RIP Ford:

Ö, büt yöü ärë fär töö mödëst!

Well, ya know what they say...A picture is worth a thousand words...

Deuce (#236),

LOL!

Um, you were trying to be funny right?

#241 The Dread Pirate Gryphon

LOL

I've created a monster.

#239 Millie Woods:

OK, I'll bite: what exactly is a "lifestyle...to the right of Attila the Hun's"?

#237 Geepers:

LOL. Little known fact. In early hockey the victors traditionally cut off the heads off the losers and danced around the bodies ululating.

;-)

@215 Dread Pirate Gryphon

*LMAO!

Here you go The Drëad Pirate Gryphon.

I put the following Dr ë ad. You substitute the letter
you want the symbol over.

Using & uml;

Any pictures of this?

#246 - so it was like rugby?

#240

Generally you should be suspicious of anyone who uses the following words in condemning Bush:

Karl Rove
Haliburton
Squandered the goodwill
Unilateral
His daddy
Oil company profits
False pretenses
NeoCon

It's like a checklist for the left.

Newsmax ain't nuthin' but shit. But y'all keep lappin' it up like chocolate ice cream.

Douche, I mean Deuce, perhaps you don't get it. Sampley is offended by Kerry's lies, and doesn't want his record obfuscating the fact that he lied about his fellow soldiers... and caused all returning vets to suffer. And the South Vietnamese suffered even more. Why is that not a big deal to you?

I'm sorry Charles. This is probably one of the trolls you told us not to encourage.

Nice going, John. Sheesh.

Sorry; it's Newsweek, but I couldn't resist considering...

...At Kerry headquarters in Washington, no one's calling it the "sock puppet" theory, but it's pretty much the one they are operating on. The election, in their view, doesn't turn on Kerry's legislative victories (in 20 years in the Senate, they are few) or on his grand new ideas (his foreign policy, judging from his advisers, would be a Clinton Restoration). Rather, his handlers think, the race is about being a minimally acceptable alternative and in the right position to capitalize on the president's weakness. ...

The 'Sock Puppet' Strategy

#250 Dave the..

Off the top of my head, I'd add "No plan" to that list.

#247 quärk2:

Thanks - you and RIP Ford are very gracious!

#249 Renna:

LOL. Sure, just with more missing teeth...

;-)

and for me that involves actively refusing to demonize either candidate.

I'm just the opposite. I'll happily "demonize" either candidate or both. Politics is a circus. Politicians are clowns. Every politician should be treated like a con artist out to trick people out of their money. In effect, that's what most of them are.

I'll bet any amount of money that Kerry is particularly testy 'cause he has to stay away from his sweetheart (and I'll also bet her name's not on a ketchup bottle) while he's campaigning. Just a hunch.

#257 V the K:

Including George W. Bush?

#250 Dave the..
You forgot...Quagmire!

#198 Thom: If Bush gets a 2, Clinton gets a 1. Oops, I forgot the whole Paula Jones thing. Make that a goose egg.

#250

You forgot

Shrub
Bushitler
Chimpy
Prescott Bush
Quagmire
Rush to War
Immoral and Illegal
Distraction
No Link to Terrorism
Imperialism

and

Pretzel

#257

Many say that's Gearge Bushs problem. He'd rather lose the election then tell people what they want to hear.

He does some pandering, but for the most part I believe him when he talks. He means what he says.

#250 Dave the...

Hey, I heard that Bush and Karl Rove squandered the good will of the NeoCons by unilaterally spending Halliburton oil company profits under false pretenses on his daddy...

You guys are good. I didn't realize how many anti-Bush cliches there were.

I have nothing against a spirited political debate, but I hate the stupid insulting terms that are used over and over.

How could I have forgotten "Rush to War"? The joke going around is that newspaper editorial writers have that one as a function key so they don't have to keep typing it out.

Including George W. Bush?

Yes. Absolutely.

I am not saying Bush is a money-grubbing con artist, but I am saying, as a matter of prudence, the voter should be at least as skeptical as though he were.

I know it's a nuance, but if voters were a little more skeptical, we might have avoided the Prescription drug giveaway (buying votes from seniors with taxpayer money), the agriculture bill (buying corn belt votes with taxpayer money), the education bill (paying off the teachers unions and those who don't pay attention with taxpayer money) and, hell, even paid more attention to how Homeland Security funds are being spent.

The media treats Halliburton and Archers Daniels Midland as big evil corporations. But the AARP and the NEA are treated as noble service organization, who can demand anything and everything without ever being labeled "greedy."

"Viet Nam War Memorial unleashes savage attack against John Kerry's patriotisim"

227

"I don't know if every witness is bogus, but it was Kerry's responsibility to make sure the accusations were true before slandering his fellow soldiers while they were still fighting and dying in Vietnam. "

If it's true, then there is no slander.

That website looks nutz.

232

"Are you deliberately acting stupid? The UCMJ demands that such crimes be reported IMMEDIATELY, in theater, to cognizant unit command. NOT over a year later in a self-serving political dog-and-pony show for the congress and media. "

Sometimes I do like to "act all stooopid and shit", but no, this was not my intention here. I understand the law, but the law isn't really that interesting to me in this situation. Just like it wasn't that interesting when Clinton got blown by his intern and lied about it. I'm just not sure what I would have done given the circumstances. Cocaine is against the law. Admitting to doing coke later is political. (And I am not equivicating, heaven forbid.) All polticians act politically.

Are you trying to act so people will like you...deliberately? Or have you always been this boring?

#267 V the K:

Careful - nuance is tricky ground here as well.

Bwaaahahahahahahaha!

Kerryopoly.

#267 V the K:

I agree. Bush pretty much has to be re-elected in order to pursue the War on Terror. But domestically, the guy might as well be a Democrat.

Kerry on nuclear proliferation/US national defense:

If we secure all bomb-making materials, ensure that no new materials are produced for nuclear weapons, and end nuclear weapons programs in hostile states like North Korea and Iran, we will dramatically reduce the possibility of nuclear terrorism," he said.

(snip)

To help reduce existing stocks of nuclear materials and weapons, the United States should stop developing a new generation of nuclear weapons and speed up reductions in the U.S. and Russian nuclear arsenals, Kerry said.

Ending nuclear weapons programs in Iran and North Korea also would be a priority, Kerry said, and he proposed closing the loophole in the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty that allows those countries and others to use civilian nuclear power programs as cover for weapons development.

Let's see, keep the US from developing weapons that may be deterrents to rogue nations that by definition would do whatever they want anyhow (witness North Korea), yet he expresses the misguided hope that the US could persuade Iran and North Korea to stop their nuke programs. Yes, we tried that once with NK in 1994 (Agreed Framework), and it failed because they went ahead and proliferated anyways.

Closing loopholes in the NPT sounds great, but how about using military force to stop those nations if they do not comply? Or are we going to have to go to the UN to get compliance via 20+ resolutions? Since 17 didn't work in the Iraq situation, maybe 20 will do it. It is that extra year or two of diplomacy that will make the difference, as if the prior 12 didn't.

We have to do everything we can to stop a nuclear weapon from ever reaching our shore - and that mission begins far away," Kerry said. "We have to secure nuclear weapons and materials around the world so that searching the containers here at the Port of Palm Beach isn't our only line of defense, it is our last line of defense."

Yes, and that requires using the US military as necessary to eliminate rogue regimes that will do whatever necessary to obtain nuclear weapons or will assist others in that goal. If you're not going to unleash the US military for nuclear nonproliferation purposes, which you consider to be central to US national security, when will you use them? Nothing in Kerry's speech mentioned the military component to stopping nuclear proliferation, as if everything could be done via negotiations and treaties.

Attention...Attention

Will all the trolls who think that LGF is full of goose-stepping Republican Rove-Bots please take note of post #267 for a brief list of the many criticisms W. gets from people on this site who will vote for him anyway.

#264

"Sorry. That won't work for you either. (tangentially -) 'high ground' posturing, 'capture the flag' gotcha games, (a)moral equivalencies, all the rest of the rhetorical grab-bag of techniques don't hold up well here. And folks that ONLY use those methods fare no better.
Stick with Facts. Real History. Truth. Thorough research of details before flinging out some chaff. All the rest is nonsense. "

Facts: 0

V the K

You've overdosed on LGF so much that you've started to turn liberal. The same thing happened to evariste. It's a natural reaction. If you take in enough right wing nonsense there comes a time when you can see through it.

V the K:

#276 wasn't exactly what I was referring to, though...

Wow. Sampley sure sounds like an asshole.

#276 Alan:

Evariste left because he felt he was spending too much time blogging, tracking web news etc. I'm not too good at finding people's posts, but I'm sure if he were here he'd smack ya'.

#267 V the K

You are correct. This is why most true conservatives will support Bush (and due to the war on terror strongly support him), but secretly have some doubts.

And yes, the NEA and Senior-Americans cost me a lot more money then Halliburton.

Moishe Pipick (#269),

I understand the law, but the law isn't really that interesting to me in this situation.

Because it doesn't support your position?

#270 Bolo

Wow. Sampley sure sounds like an asshole.

Maybe to your warped way of thinking.

OTOH: Wow. Kerry sure acts like an asshole.

#92

Please tell me he asked, "What do you want on your tombstone?"

Alan, have you considered that some of us were not right-wing to start off with?