Deport them now!

"Levitt began testifying that these donations are raised to recruit people for acts of violence with the understanding that their children will be cared for after their deaths. Defense attorney Nancy Hollander objected to the statements and Judge James Gwin told jurors to disregard it."

Judge James Gwin is another Clinton appointee and another judicial coddler and apologist for Islamic terrorists.

I am so glad the US is going after supposed (innocent until proven guilty...even though I would expect the vast majority of Muslims in the US are supporters in one way or another of terrorism) supporters of the Palestinian "cause" (terrorism and genocide). They are enemies of Civilization.

I was just thinking...looking at the all the pictures of Pali children taken by reuters and AP and on display throughout the net. ..
Do the Plai kids purposefully try to get themselves into provacative pictures posing against Israeli soldiers to get "snapped" in a photo and then have the thrill of seeing themselves online afterwards on a computer?
I wouldnt be suprised if everytime a Pali gets into one of these "staged" pictures they print them up and bring them to the PA or some other authority and get paid some fee for advertising the Pali cause.
I have no proof...I was just consdering the scenario since these pictures are so often obviously staged.

What we are seeing is that Muslims are beginning to see that their religion is false.

The schnittshow on radio 610AM out of Miami was talking about the Saudi Prince being 95% certain that it was the "zionist" behing the attacks on westerners last month. He was real pissed off about the two faced Saudi's telling us one thing in English and the arabs another in arabic.
Of course we LGF'ers have known about this speech for quite some time. Apparantly , NBC had a report on it the other night that Schnitt saw and it set him off.

Now if we can get all those pali-symps at UCI who wear the green sash at graduation and put them on trial we will be off to a fine start.

President Salutes the Military at Macdill Air Force Base in Tampa -- White House

...
At the same time, our coalition is helping the Iraqi people to rebuild the basic infrastructure of their country. This is work that America has done before. I want you to remember this. In 1947, two years after the Nazi surrender, there was still starvation in Germany. Reconstruction seemed to be faltering. The Marshall Plan had not yet begun. Soon Berlin would be blockaded, on the orders of Joseph Stalin. Some questioned whether a free and stable Germany could emerge from the rubble.

Fortunately, America and our allies were optimistic. They stood firm. We helped the German people overcome these challenges and resist the designs of the Soviet Union. We overcame many obstacles, because we knew that the only hope for a secure America was a peaceful and democratic Europe. And because we persevered, because we had faith in our values, because we were strong in the face of adversity, Germany became the stable, successful, great nation that it is today. (Applause.)

Fourteen months have passed since the fall of Baghdad. And today, in spite of terrorist insurgency, Iraq's economy is moving forward. Markets are beginning to thrive; new businesses have opened; a stable new currency is in place. Dozens of political parties are organizing. Hundreds of courts of law are opening across the country. Today in Iraq, more than 170 newspapers are being published, and I saw the other day that they've even got talk radio. I don't know if they've contacted Rush yet...

I really hope the legal system doesn't let me down this time. I like rule of law when it works. If we are going to excuse real hate speech (incitement to violence) by Muslims, only the military approach (or vigilante action) will work.

If there is strong evidence suggesting a particular Muslim wants to kill his neighbors, I don't think letting that person back out on the street right away is a favor. It's somewhat like the child sex offenders. Not in my neighborhood.

I'm not advocating anything except convicting real threats to our security. I'm observing what I think is true. Americans are on the whole very tolerant, right up until the merde hits the air circulation device.

Lock them up and throw away the key!

Did I read today that 87 predominantly Muslim nations promised their support for the Iraqi interim government?

What's going on here is what's going on here. Now I hear the U.N. condemning the sale of bulldozers to Israel.

Don't they understand who's in charge here? Apparently a majority of Muslim nations do, in spite of the ongoing U.N. lunacy, and while what they have promised may be mostly ceremonial, it at least emphasizes that they want no piece of us right now.

Secretly, I think a lot of Muslims in those states actually dream of democratic reform in the NE. And anyone who thinks that the "average" Muslim wants the destruction of western civilization is as guilty of racism as those Islamists who actually do advocate for our destruction.

Why pay to feed them if they want to die so badly. Give them what they want, it's what I'd want people to do to me... (give me what I want, I mean). They want to be martyrs. Let's oblige.

In the 1991 video...Damra tells the audience the committee “is the active arm of Palestinian Islamic Jihad in America.”

(Scratches head, blinks a few times) Excuse me; these people were openly speaking of an arm of Islamic Jihad in America ten years before the Sept. 11 atrocities? I guess I need to write a stern letter to the F.B.I., asking what the hell they were doing.

Oh, I forgot: "Right-wing extremist groups" took all their time in the 90s. Hmm, must have been something like 2 agents assigned to every extremist, or something...

All this prosecution will do is drive the Pali terrorist fundraisers deeper, we need to be helping the Israelis strike all the terrorist groups bent on genocide with our military forces. The Palis cry that Americans are "murderers" because the Israelis use American built choppers, well dammit, let's just give the process a power assist by having our special forces help in the rat hunt. It's time to prosecute the war on terror on all fronts with equality and justice for all Islamists (i.e. a heat seaking missile for every terrorist occupied motorized conveyance in the Middle East)!

I hope that the jurors understand that there is a war on terror going on in the world, and that a victory of terrorists or their supporters anywhere will encourage terrorists everywhere.

There is a lot of difference between "Hate Speech" and actually taking contributions for a terrorist group. "Hate Speech" needs to be legal - I think these Europeans and Canadians are really being stupid - and I think I've even seen some indication that Australia has even got "Hate Speech" laws. I think "hate speech" being legal has one huge advantage. A-Holes are self identified by their speech. Besides there may be some people who deserve to be hated- such as Islamofascasshats.

I'm glad that their fondness for videos is coming back to bite them in the ass.

#12 big dog johnson:

And anyone who thinks that the "average" Muslim wants the destruction of western civilization is as guilty of racism as those Islamists who actually do advocate for our destruction.

What exactly do you base that on? The "average" muslim has been indoctrinated by media, schools, and religion that tells them that western civilization needs to be destroyed, so they may very well believe that. It's not a wild stretch of the imagination to think that they believe it.

No one will ever get the admission from these people and their supporters that the "Palestinian Widows and Orphans Fund" means that they want to make more people in those categories.

Had a conversation over email with another LGFer about whether humans were basically good or evil. Husabnd got into with me, too.

My view is - people are good. I look at the myriad of little things that people do for me every day - people who have no clue who I am - everything from helping my up the stairs with my stroller, to helping me carry my groceries to my house, to asking me to pass a blessing onto my husband whom they have never met or even heard of.

Husband came down on the side of basically evil - that in America we think those little acts of kindness are ubiquitous. In other places, they are the exceptions.

People like Damra make me wonder if he is right.

#14 Belize042

In fact, I was able to see one of those trials close up. The federal government paid two coke-addicted informers substantial sums to infiltrate a militia group in the deep South.

They turned a bunch of beer-swilling big talkers into a threat by teaching them to build pipe bombs, walking them through it, and helping in construction. Then, they arrested all of them. To me, there was a real question if anything would have ever happened with this group without the federal intervention. They were all convicted and sentenced for a long time. I might have been wrong.

The security at this trial was so tight that the nails in dress shoes would set off the metal detectors. They had snipers on the roof and hundreds of agents wandering around. One guy was arrested outside the courthouse with guns in his car. However, in that state, guns in cars were hardly unusual.

Maybe I should have left out the term "hate speech." I don't believe in new hate speech laws for the most part. Traditionally, incitement to violence is not protected speech. That's all I meant by that.

Meanwhile, Damra's and al-Arian's confreres in France are getting the green light from the Rive Gauche establishment (and pretty much the rest of Paris). No Parasan has a great translation of last week's Le Monde editorial by French MP Pierre Lellouche.

#20 Beagle

That doesn't surprise me, after reading "Every Knee Shall Bow," which chronicles the Randy Weaver debacle. While the author doesn't idolize Weaver, who comes off in the book as a crank, the feds come off looking worse.

If they'd spent as many man-hours on terrorists--or hell, on major drug rings--as on survivalist goofs in the mountains, we'd be safer.

Our tax dollars at work. Step back, please, I'm climbing down off this soap box, and I'm already on my second drink.

OT, from the WSJ ONline:

"Reporting from a John Kerry rally in Atlantic City, N.J., the Washington Times talks to William Mullen, a local union boss and "fervent Bush detractor," about Kerry's appeal:

Mr. Mullen . . . said the country needs someone "to represent the working class, who can relate to people with families trying to make a living."

Asked whether Mr. Kerry's patrician--some say French--face and wife worth an estimated $550 million hurts his ability to relate to the working class, Mr. Mullen replied, "Yeah, but he's our rich French guy and we got to stick with him."

--In response to the current thread:

Once a rug merchant, always a rug merchant. No simp for the wimps. Deport these crazies before the ACLU wants to make them Poster Children.

I have Islamoparanoia. No good drug for that yet. Anyone have a recommendation?

shalom.

Julia

#10 IF

Hmmm...Depart them. I'll vote for that.

Pre-arrest, Damra was profiled (in a non-racial way) on NOW with Bill Moyers, back in January 2002:

Controversy in Cleveland, Imam Damra's History

""[Muslims should be] directing all rifles at the first and last enemy of the Islamic nation, and that is the sons of monkeys and pigs, the Jews." Fawaz Damra, 1991

"I regret saying what I said in that tape because that is not what my faith teaches me, not what civilized society stands for." Fawaz Damra, 2001

Got busted and changed his tune - taqqiya city.

And from his bio:

Imam Fawaz Damra is associated with many professional organizations, notably ISNA (Islamic Society of North America), CAIR (Council on American Islamic relations), ICO (Islamic Council of Ohio), Shari'ah Scholars Association of North America, Catholic-Muslim Dialogue and Cleveland Council of Imams.

Another CAIR associate on trial for supporting terrorists.

Quelle surprise.

And then there's CAIR's crowing at Scott Alexander's doublespeak defense of Damra:

OH: Damra Didn't Promote Violence

A defense expert for Fawaz Damra says the indicted imam did not try to incite violence in the early 1990s when he screamed at fund-raisers to destroy Jews.

Instead, Damra simply wanted to support the resistance to Israel's occupation of land claimed by Palestinians, the expert said.

Scott Alexander's testimony provided the first hint Monday of Damra's defense to charges of lying on his immigration forms because of his past ties to terrorism. Damra is to go on trial next week in a case that appears to focus on several tapes made of his speeches.

#25, Julia the Horrible,

Stay with your regular meds, and listen to Iron Fist. This sh*t won't be done until allah is dead. We're working on that.

Shhh... You hear that?

No trolls... How long can this last?

OT:

uber-libs/leftists don't care about mass graves. They do however, care about humilation at Abu Ghriab,
Because Americans did something bad - and that's all that matters. It's so good to know they care.

Saddam's mass graves

Buck: it's lovely, isn't it? I'm actually engaging in a civilized debate with someone on another thread, and nobody has jumped in to scream "You're all racists!" or "Sharon=Hitler." Beautiful - the IQ level around here goes up around 60 points when the trolls are blocked.

OT: Afghan president compares U.S. liberation of Afghanistan with liberation of Europe in WWII.

Meanwhile, a 15-year-old girl, would-be martyr, and her younger friend who recruited her, were caught in Nablus.
The word "pimp" came to mind when I read this story.
(By the way, I'd been posting as Mary, but that name
was taken when I registered.)

@36 Rayra

Could we take up a collection so that as graduation gifts we can give each of the green sashed idjits a bomb belt?

quark2 (#37)

Could we take up a collection so that as graduation gifts we can give each of the green sashed idjits a bomb belt?

And a padded room with a bolt on the outside.

@38 zulubaby

Ner, padded with studs and welded shut from the outside. :)

quark2, you are good ;-)

@40 zulubaby

Heh, thanx. :)
I try!

the Beit Hanina Club in Cleveland, a social club for Palestinians.

Let's hope the Feds are keeping a close eye on the "social club".

#32 Donna V. I agee, it's wonderful-- and Charles can put on the babysitter music and go clubbing! :-)
I would like to apologize for how i spoke to you. It is a huge relief to me not see out-blog trolls everywhere-- not that I wrong y'know-- :-)

More Damra trial news:

Imam's trial set to go to jury

AKRON, Ohio A jury must decide whether an Islamic leader who spewed hate-filled messages against Jews and raised funds for alleged terrorist organizations lied about his ties to those groups on his application for U.S. citizenship.

Closing arguments in the case against Fawaz Damra were set for Thursday morning with jury deliberations to follow.

Damra's attorneys rested their case Wednesday without calling a witness, appearing confident that the prosecution failed to prove the Palestinian-born imam of Ohio's largest mosque lied on his citizenship form.

Why would they be so confident?

Because the judge, already having kicked out a bunch of evidence because the cops didn't get a warrant and the judge ruled the Ms. Damra's wife's consent wasn't valid because she didn't witness the search (link), gave Damra another gift:

Prosecutors lost a portion of their case Wednesday when U.S. District Judge James Gwin decided not to allow allegations concerning an assault charge that Damra did not report on his naturalization form.

Gwin concluded that because the charge was dismissed it did not have to be reported on the application.

Now, that seems like a questionable ruling. The citizenship form specifically asks about charges. The nature of charges is that some often get dropped. The fact that they were dropped doesn't mean one was never charged. That specific question on the form was not about convictions.

Perhaps not the most important fact or charge in the case, but it still seems that the judge is looking to help the guy out.

And here's a fun part of the defense:

Matthew Levitt, senior fellow in terrorism studies at the Washington Institute for Near East Studies, testified that the Palestinian Islamic Jihad is a terrorist organization "bent on the destruction of Israel."

[snip]

In her cross examination of Levitt, defense attorney Nancy Hollander tried to show bias on his part by asking him about his education at a Jewish high school and college and his upbringing as an Orthodox Jew.

That's the "but ladies and gentlemen of the jury, he's a Jew" defense.

Richard Ingrams would be proud.

I have a bad feeling about this case. I hope I'm wrong, but with the evidence withheld, and the third charge dropped, it looks like the judge is working overtime to help Damra out - enough so that the defense seems "confident."

I hope I'm wrong and that the jury does the right thing.

We'll know soon enough.

That's the "but ladies and gentlemen of the jury, he's a Jew" defense.

You've gotta wonder what these idiots make of non-Jews, like me, who are biased in favour of Israel. Perhaps I'm really Jewish and my mother just forgot to tell me.

the muslims in green arm bands is a call for incitement against the jews--if it is not recognized as such, jews are no longer considered worthy of protection. they will become second class citiaens unless there is a mass protest against this. hamas is supposedly a terrorist org and these monsters should be convicted of incitement and support of terrorism.

Test

Hey look MA!

It finally works!

OT -- I saw where Metafilter had an entry about the Swiftboat Veterans Against Kerry. The only reason I mention it is that it is a casebook study in LLL thinking. The people who commented could not figure out why the vets were upset with Kerry. I assume they watched the videos of the SVAK news conference but their brain function was just too impaired to understand. Basically the the vets are pissed that Kerry called them all war criminals, and betrayed them. Understandable if you ask me. Stuff most people can understand easily. You can watch the videos here. video 1 and Video 2.

#45 David--

They think they can identify you on the voir dire (jury screening phase of the trial) and use a peremptory strike to prevent you from participating.

#19 Military Brat / #24 Iron Fist--

A traditional Jewish view (whose influence on Freud's secular psychological theories is self-evident) is that while all of Creation is good, and indeed very good (see Gen. 1), Man was created with a dual nature, an inclination towards good and an inclination towards evil. The interplay between these inclinations is, among other things, the source of free will (if Man were created purely good, Man could not choose the good).

#28 SoCalJustice--

re "Damra simply wanted to support the resistance to Israel's occupation of land claimed by Palestinians," Imshin J recently posted a powerful meditation that is very much on point.

OT Special checks on Muslims at border to end

I missed this a few days ago, sorry if it's been posted already.

I wonder if there are other tech-based controls in place.

#51

I don't like having to say "I hope so" on something that big, but boy, if we don't have other things in place, we're wide open for major problems!

#52 Lyana

Travelling will be fun this summer.

I've got friends going to Indonesia next month

Thom™ is going to Egypt :-O

Now I gotta worry about going to UT!

As Ben F mentioned, Judaism holds that people have two sides: Yetzer Hatov, the good side or inclination, or Yetzer Harah.

I believe God gives people the ability to choose which side they are going to follow. Obviously, just about every single facet of Islam (scripture and "clergy") helps people-who were given their gift of life by God-choose their Yetzer Harah and glorify it, defiling good. It's their choice to kill, dance with body parts and next we'll see them drinking blood at weddings.

Levitt began testifying that these donations are raised to recruit people for acts of violence with the understanding that their children will be cared for after their deaths. Defense attorney Nancy Hollander objected to the statements and Judge James Gwin told jurors to disregard it.

I need to see the tape of this exchange. How could defense counsel object to testimony from the witness? I thought they can only object to the questioning.

Second, the statement from Leavit is true. It's widely known that funds are raised by Hamas and Islamic Jihad to support the offspring of suicide bombers. Recall, we went to war to stop one of these financiers - Saddam Hussein.

It's despicable that the defense counsel used the "he's a jew" argument against Mr. Leavit.

(#55) Axiom

How could defense counsel object to testimony from the witness? I thought they can only object to the questioning.

Counsel can object to witness testimony offerred on several grounds, the most famous being "hearsay."

Similarly, if the testimony is irrelevant, or if the relevance is outweighed by the prejudicial nature of the testimony, it can be thrown out too.

The lawyers can object to the question too if they feel it's going to illicit an answer that falls into an inadmissible category.

#51 Papijoe:

We're screwed.

Jury Convicts Palestinian Imam

A jury has convicted the Palestinian-born imam of Ohio's largest mosque of a charge that he lied on his US citizenship application about connections to terrorist organizations. He faces a sentence that could include the loss of citizenship, a $5,000 fine and up to five years in prison before deportation.
The 41-year-old cleric showed no emotion as the verdict was read in U- District Court today.
[Link: www.onnnews.com...]