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ISM: Founded by Palestinian Communist Party

Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 8:53:29 pm PDT

Some very revealing tidbits at the end of this article about ISM tool Jamie Spector, who the SF Chronicle wants you to know is a “Jewish activist.”

ISM was founded by Israeli and Palestinian peace campaigners and leading members of the Palestinian Communist Party. It is run by Communist Party activist George Rishmawi and party politburo member Mustafa Barghouti.

Rishmawi said the ISM’s main purpose is to increase international awareness of Palestinian suffering through the involvement of foreign activists, who pay their own way to the West Bank, where they are trained in various methods of nonviolent direct action.

“When Palestinians get shot by Israeli soldiers, no one is interested anymore,” Rishmawi said. “But if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice.”

In other words, the gullible multiculti vegetables harvested by the ISM from American universities are intentional sacrifices to the cause of Palestinian Communist propaganda. Lovely people.

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1 Americain  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 6:56:22pm

let's send all of our leftist veggies over there to be
sacrificed!

2 HULUGU  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 6:56:46pm

what foreign volunteers shot and killed--not when you can use bulldozers and save bullets

3 ördög Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 6:57:39pm
In other words, the gullible multiculti vegetables harvested by the ISM from American universities are intentional sacrifices to the cause of Palestinian Communist propaganda. Lovely people.

I read it exactly the same.

4 Belize042  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 6:58:59pm
“But if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice.”

Yeah, maybe the U.N. will even pass a resolution condemning Israel.

Um, oh...

5 ördög Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 6:59:04pm

#2 HULUGU

Cat D9 - the perfect vegetable gardening tool.

6 zulubaby  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 6:59:37pm
"When Palestinians get shot by Israeli soldiers, no one is interested anymore,” Rishmawi said. “But if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice.”

If that doesn't illustrate how evil these people are, then I don't know.

7 localharbor  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:00:42pm

The hard left never really went away. They were always about power and control. Now, they've just found a new excuse to sell the world.

And they rely on the same underpinnings of their power, as always:
... control of the educational system
... control of the media
... large centralized govt as much as possible

The above all provide enormous leverage.

We can rail against these control freaks forever, fighting the same battles with each generation(until we lose one?), or we can take away their underpinnings.

8 Beagle  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:01:46pm
"As a Jewish person, I strongly believe that the only way to achieve peace and security for everyone is to dismantle the wall and the occupation," Spector said. "I have been appalled for a long time by the human rights violations carried out by the Israeli government, often in my name."

As a non-Jewish person, I think you are proof that God chose to miss some of you with the clue bat.

9 Saeel  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:02:33pm

Speaking of Palestinian tools, remember how Terje Larsen finally woke up and blasted Arafish for sitting on his hands the for last 3 years? Well apparently, the master terrorist wasn't impressed.

This is pretty funny. If Israel threw a tantrum like Arafat every time it were criticized, there'd be no one left allowed to visit the country.

Arafat declares UN envoy Larsen persona non grata


The Palestinian Authority has declared Terje Rod Larsen, the Norwegian diplomat and senior UN envoy to the Middle East, persona non grata after he criticized PA Chairman Yasser Arafat for failing to live up to the conditions of the road map.

"As of today, [Larsen] is an unwelcome person in the Palestinian territories," Arafat spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeineh announced yesterday at a news conference in the Muqata in Ramallah. Rudeineh said that "attempts were being made to blacken the names of the Palestinians while violating agreements between the PA and the UN."

10 ördög Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:03:55pm

#7 localharbor

or we can take away their underpinnings.

Any practical sugestions?

11 Sarah D.  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:06:28pm

I like this:

"Israel claims to be a refuge for Jews, but if you're a Jew like Jamie who has a specific objection to what the state of Israel is doing, you don't even get in,'' Romann said.

Interesting how those horrible folks who are trying to safeguard that refuge would take offense to someone who wants to get rid of it.

12 [Mark]  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:08:32pm

Which is worse: a Palestinian Communist or a Palestinian Islamist? Or are they just two sides of the same coin....?

13 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:09:08pm
“But if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice.”

Also, biologists the world over sit up and take notice, marvelling at how Darwinian selection remains at work among humans today . . .

14 McBain  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:13:42pm
“if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice.”

Hmm... an intriguing hypothesis. Can we see some empirical evidence? Please?

Don't be stingy with the sample size...

15 Orbit Rain  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:14:26pm

...hey, twisted people do twisted things...reason #231,943,213,532 we don't let commies in charge.

16 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:19:06pm

#12 [Mark]

Or are they just two sides of the same coin....?

No. Different ends of the same turd.

17 Sarah D.  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:19:30pm

OT but the MM thread is dead:

Interesting how the brother of a convicted terrorist/murderer is trying to sue Michael Moore for tricking him into appearing in Bowling For Columbine.

And what the hell does this mean:

When asked about the suit, Moore's lawyer replied

"It's a bit of hyperbole, but ... hyperbole is also a Supreme Court-protected form of speech," Fink said.

Their lame retort to the suit is that it's toooooo late sucka:

Wednesday's hearing focused primarily on whether the one-year statute of limitations for libel claims had expired by the time Nichols filed suit on Oct. 27, 2003.
18 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:26:11pm

Pity the poor little [bigoted word]s!

SERGEANT:
When a felon's not engaged in his employment

POLICE:
His employment

SERGEANT:
Or maturing his felonious little plans,

POLICE:
Little plans,

SERGEANT:
His capacity for innocent enjoyment

POLICE:
'Cent enjoyment

SERGEANT:
Is just as great as any honest man's.

POLICE:
Honest man's.

SERGEANT:
Our feelings we with difficulty smother

POLICE:
'Culty smother

SERGEANT:
When constabulary duty's to be done.

POLICE:
To be done.

SERGEANT:
Ah, take one consideration with another,

POLICE:
With another,

SERGEANT:
A policeman's lot is not a happy one.

ALL:
Ah, when constabulary duty's to be done, to be
done,
A policeman's lot is not a happy one, happy one.

SERGEANT:
When the enterprising burglar's not a-burgling

POLICE:
Not a-burgling

SERGEANT:
When the cut-throat isn't occupied in crime,

POLICE:
'Pied in crime,

SERGEANT:
He loves to hear the little brook a-gurgling

POLICE:
Brook a-gurgling

SERGEANT:
And listen to the merry village chime.

POLICE:
Village chime.

SERGEANT:
When the coster's finished jumping on his mother,

POLICE:
On his mother,

SERGEANT:
He loves to lie a-basking in the sun.

POLICE:
In the sun.

SERGEANT:
Ah, take one consideration with another,

POLICE:
With another,

SERGEANT:
A policeman's lot is not a happy one.

ALL:
Ah, when constabulary duty's to be done, to be
done,
A policeman's lot is not a happy one, happy one.

19 PostalWorker  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:30:29pm

#18 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

WHere did you get that? It sounds like the Sydney PD.

20 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:31:10pm
21 rod  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:33:16pm

I'm pretty restrained in my posting but I simply think these ISM tools should all be clubbed like baby seals.

My deep thought on this is that the right--or even anti-idiotarians, if the right isn't your bag, need an MM, except one who isnt a lying c*cksucker. We need someone whose a rabblerouser, who'se willing to hoist the ISM bastards, and the useful idiots in the mainstream media, on the petards necessary for everyone to see what cretins they are?

slightly off thread bleg: does anyone know of "a peace activist" of any recent conflict, that wasn't a complete transparent Marxist America hater? I can't think of any.

Like Glenn Reynolds says: You'd respect them more if they just told you they were on the other side.

22 Montaigne's Cat  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:34:39pm

Ever since Marx, the leftist answer to the "Jewish Question" has been that Jews should give up their superstitious religion, and convert to the World Socialist Vanguard, which will be the future of humanity. This Jamie Spector, thinking she is smart and original, is probably unaware of the long lineage of European anti-Semitism and Jewish self-hatred which informs her thoughts and actions.

23 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:37:21pm

#19 Postal Worker

LOL!!

That is Gilbert & Sullivan, "A Policeman's Lot Is Not a Happy One," from the Pirates of Penzance.

Over 100 years old. Human nature never changes.

24 Beagle  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:39:01pm

#21 rod

Maybe Spector (doesn't bode well) can count dropped matches or is an excellent driver. Don't be too hard on them. They need water, a little love, and sunshine.

25 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:40:24pm

"My deep thought on this is that the right--or even anti-idiotarians, if the right isn't your bag, need an MM, except one who isnt a lying c*cksucker. We need someone whose a rabblerouser, who'se willing to hoist the ISM bastards, and the useful idiots in the mainstream media, on the petards necessary for everyone to see what cretins they are?"

Exactly!! After all, they present such a FAT target.

Which brings up an existential question--why are so few comedians conservative? Especially when the Establishment is Gliberal.

26 Pete(Detroit)  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:43:21pm

InRe "LLL veggies" "Getting diced"
Can we just consider it evolution in action?

27 PostalWorker  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:43:39pm

#23 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

You got that right. We have people trying to feed us shit like they always have.

I never was good at taking crap off people, or letting things go when there is an injustice.

28 Daybrother  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:49:05pm
29 Final Historian  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:49:07pm

I should have known that the Commies would be involved in something like this. Front organizations have always been their specialty.

30 Mashiki  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:49:30pm

What I'd really wish is Israel would get it's PR campagin together and actually start putting stuff out when these bottom feeders start pulling crap. We always hear about how 'mean' they are to them...I'd love to see the ISMer's instigating the attacks on soldiers being played on TV. So much for that non-violent crap they always spew.

These people truely are just a cog in the machine...and they are *happy* being as such. That scares the hell outta me.

31 ördög Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:50:01pm

#25 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

why are so few comedians conservative?

Not a question of quantity, but quality.

32 rosh  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:51:01pm

Not sure what to make of this. I'm pretty sure it pisses me off:

JOE STRUPP: Which we all know it isn't, but it plays into the same mentality -- that if the Washington Post or another newspaper gave in to that pressure, what's to say it's any different giving in to pressure not to run a beheading photo? The paper or broadcast outlet has to stand their ground and not fall prey to the pressures that could be political, that could be censorship, that could be just one person's taste versus another, and in the end, offering the image or the news is a better "error," quote/unquote than censoring it.

BOB GARFIELD: Well this week, it became clear that the ethical question is getting only more complicated. Reporter Michael Ware of Time Magazine, it turns out, has been sent tape after tape -- not only of murders of hostages, but of their actual maneuvers. Lynell, the, the insurgents send you a tape of an operation in progress -- do you have the responsibility to tell the world that?

LYNELL BURKETT: Okay. The key is whether we are being used to further the purpose of the group, and--

JOE STRUPP: Can I just, can I just step in and -- isn't, isn't the news media, quote, "used" in a lot of different ways -- whenever a politician makes a speech--

LYNELL BURKETT: Yes. [LAUGHS]

Link
They are drawing an equivalency between a politician making a speech and a terrorist filming a beheading, aren't they?

33 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:52:36pm
"When Palestinians get shot by Israeli soldiers, no one is interested anymore,” Rishmawi said. “But if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice.”

It seems only some people can use "white privilege" to their advantage.

34 patrickafir  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:55:24pm

LOL@

Charles: ...the gullible multiculti vegetables harvested by the ISM...

Priceless. I'll sooner go for fresh Gush Katif produce any day.

I had the displeasure of a shortlived email correspondence with one of these young brussels sprouts after I wrote a piece on them for IsraPundit (it got picked up by Israel Insider, which is apparently on ISM's radar screen). After the cyber-screed had reached a virtual ear-splitting crescendo of strident, and ignorant effluvium, I had to block her emails. I still feel...dirty.

Know what the sad thing is? A lot of these foolish kids will read something like this and not be discouraged in the least. In fact, I think that much like the "Palestinians" they've co-opted, they want martyrs to draw attention to their insanity.

And now in our "shameless kafir self-promotion" segment (Charles, I swear I'll wash your bike or something...), I beg of you Lizardoids to review my article on Holocaust denial. Thanks, guys. :-)

35 C-Low  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 7:56:12pm

#1 Americain 7/14/2004 08:56PM PST
let's send all of our leftist veggies over there to be
sacrificed!

Hat Tip
couldnt have said it better, was my first thought when I read this. Love LGF its good to know their are still sane people left and the whole world hasnt gone to hell in a hand basket quet yet their just maybe hope.

36 PostalWorker  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:00:01pm

#25

A liberal was driving down the highway and saw another liberal trying to row a boat across a freshly tilled field.

He leaned out of his car and yelled, " You're making us lefties look bad. If I could swim, I'd come out there and kick your ass!"

My apologies to the originator of the exhaustive compilation of blonde jokes.

37 norar  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:01:45pm

#9 Saeel

... while violating agreements between the PA and the UN

Now, these are agreements I would like to hear more about.

Does anybody know about UN making agreements with PA?

38 rosh  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:03:34pm

Back when the Soviet Union still existed and I was wet behind the ears, I didn't get what the problem was with communism. It was just an alternative form of government.
Now that I know a little more about it, it scares me.

39 Daybrother  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:03:45pm

1) In the future, everyone will have their own blog.
2) You can get anywhere in 10 minutes if you are willing to go fast enough.
3) Everything tastes more or less like chicken.

40 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:04:56pm

In a similar vein, I came upon this ridiculous piece at Nazimedia:

The Labor Theory of Female Value
By emma goldwoman

Iraq Attack III is over (Iraq Attack I: Gulf War in 1991; Iraq Attack II: Twelve Years of Destructive Sanctions). Military occupation is underway. Iran Attack II (Iran Attack I: The CIA directed coup in 1953) looms on the Buscista (Bush style Fascism) horizon. The big ocean fish have almost died off. Kids are imprisoned in a death camp in Guantanamo Bay. The trade in sex slaves thrives. The United Nations proves again that it is the handyman of Mass Murder, as it prostrates itself at the feet of the War God whispering the prayer ‘Might Makes Right! Greed is Good!’.

Things will not get better unless we act. Now. Now is the time for a new paradigm of social change. A guide for action, for a movement. A theoretical understanding and a goal to move towards.

I suggest basing the new paradigm on two basic theories:

1: The Labor Theory of Female Value
2: The Conflict Theory of Organized Male Violence

Our new goal should be this: A society where all conflict is resolved through communication rather than through Organized Male Violence (war and the legal system).

Socialism and Anarchism and their less radical cousins Social Democracy and the Welfare State have failed. Why? Because they are essentially based upon Marx’s Labor Theory of Value: Labor is the ultimate creator of value, thus laborers are exploited when the product of their labor is taken from them by the Opressive Classes. Property is Theft.

In contrast, the Labor Theory of Female Value views Female Labor, specifically the labor of pregnancy and birth and childcare, as the source of all other value. Productive workers must be produced. Women are the productive source of all human beings, the primary producers.

We can imagine that for ten of thousands of years this fact formed the basis of a stable egalitarian human society. Men and Women worshipped the Great Mother, Nature, and her human representative, Woman.

With the rise of civilization and the development of the class system women became, as a group, the lowest oppressed class. They have remained there for 10,000 years, the essential slaves of all economic orders, Slavery, Feudalism, Capitalism. The product of their labor, their children, was expropriated by the means of Organized Male Violence, war and the legal system. Through this expropriation the children became slaves, wage slaves, soldiers and priests. The enslavement of women as a class coincided with the elevation of the Male God, the God of War in all his guises, Zeus, Thor, Ares, who eventually became the Monotheistic Male Idea Yahweh a complete fantasy disconnected from the real life of Gaia, Mother Earth... [Ed: so, Yahweh is a fake yet Gaia is real, because she happens to be female?]

In the same way the courageous Rachel Corrie, who the ancient (pre-Neolithic) world would recognize as a Warrior Priestess defending the Home and the Family, was murdered by a Zionist Man (fueled by his belief in the Male God of Monotheism, the Male Idea), driving the ultimate male earth destroyer, a BULL-dozer, over her body, crushing her into Mother Earth. Rachel was a prophetess, the example of the spirit needed to stop the Male Destructive Machine. She died, yes, but then her murderer stopped the bulldozer and walked away. And her spirit endures, inspiring all of us to action.

The only way to control women is through Organized Male Violence. But before that occurs the more efficient system of mind conditioning and social convention do most of the work of keeping women slaves, worldwide.

...

Rachel Corrie: Warrior Priestess.

It read like parody.

41 bp sf  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:05:16pm

BP outta SF in September! Fuckin' A!
Good bye you fucking morons, believe me, this CO2 machine is SO typical of the locals.
Let me the fuck out now...

42 Yehudit  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:05:18pm

OT but good news: latest polls from Iraqis and Afganis. Very optimistic. Putting the Iraqis in charge was so smart - they are very invested in their new government and wanting things to go right, now that they can't blame problems on the CPA.

43 Mashiki  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:06:35pm

#28 Daybrother;

Oh yes. Friendly folk alright. Not only are they nut jobs, but their history is screwed up.

#32 rosh ;

I'd say so...but then again 'ethical' journalism has long since gone away. If it bleeds it leads after all...and Liberals are great ones for smelling blood.

Anyway, I don't think they should shoot the ISMer's...just run them down...use them as fertilizer. Atleast they'd be useful for something that way. Meh...I wonder do liberals stunt the growth of Olive trees or not?

Cheers all, I'm off for tonight.

44 Cornholio  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:06:36pm

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise the ISM is a front for the P.A.

Similar headlines we may see in the near future:

Kerry Funded by French

Al Queda Funded by Saudis

Barney Funded by Saudis

Michael Moore Funded by Aliens From Planet Twinkie in Plot to Overthrow Low-Carb Diet Craze

45 PostalWorker  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:06:52pm

#37 norar

The UN has many agreements with the PA. Anytime you commit resources in the magnitude the US does to the PA, there are agreements.

I have to get my CFO to sign off on any agreement, no matter how low the price. That is how biznezz gets done.

The UN is a crooked ass business. It's the largest den of thieves in the history of mankind. Uber Mafia.

46 kpom  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:06:53pm

Another ISM lie in the article:

"Larudee said the government may be trying to clamp down on the organization because of its Freedom Summer Palestine 2004, a 56-day campaign that began June 25 to protest the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza."

The 56 days is supposed to represent 56 years- let's see, carry the eight... which takes us back to 1948.

They aren't protesting "the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza" - they are protesting the existence of the State of Israel.

47 Beagle  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:08:36pm

#32 rosh

They are drawing an equivalency between a politician making a speech and a terrorist filming a beheading, aren't they?

Yes. It's called Media Associative Disorder. They link everything to Watergate, Vietnam, anti-Vietnam protests, and partisan politics.

It's strange to watch sometimes.

They mostly live in large coastal cities, immune from the ravages of terrorism. You know, like New York or LA (weren't they going to pull the Millenium plot in LA?)

Anyway, media types went to good schools and made good grades from some great teachers like Noam Chomsky.

48 Pete(Detroit)  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:09:00pm

#25 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  
Which brings up an existential question--why are so few comedians conservative?

Was watching interview of Patricia Heaton (Debra, on "Everybody Loves Raymond") where she was supposed to present some award at MTV thing. She saw what was going on on stage, and left.
From the back
Was 'on' soon.
Was asked by host 'why not use the oppertunity to make a speach decrying the vulgarity/stupidity?
"I didn't want to sully my feet with the filth on that stage" (paraphrasing, perhaps - but that was the gist)

Woman is good Mom, is FUNNY and is VERY conservative. BUT she likes to work, so tends to keep her mouth shut, yaknowwhaddimean?

49 Beagle  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:14:10pm

#40 Evan from NZ

That's craptaculously hilarious. I thought that was The Onion version of a socialist, eh, whatever that particular cultish spin was, dupe.

Now I see "It read like parody." No doubt. That's a keeper.

50 PostalWorker  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:19:53pm

#46 kpom

[let's see, carry the eight... which takes us back to 1948.]

heh heh. Yeah, think of it this way:

let's see, carry the bums... which takes us back to 1948.

Use Firesign Theatre math. That makes all we are seeing make sense. Amazin', isn't it?

51 rosh  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:35:29pm
Freedom Summer Palestine 2004


Derivative of Redwood Summer, 1990 (or was it 89?), California

52 rosh  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:38:23pm

Patrickafir, I just read both your Israpundit pieces. Very concise and worthy of sending to friends. Thanks for writing them. Thanks for using your talents to do good.

53 norar  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:40:14pm

#45 PostalWorker

The UN has many agreements with the PA. Anytime you commit resources in the magnitude the US does to the PA, there are agreements.

Well, agreements have at least two sides to them, and I'm yet to hear of PA fulfulling even one agreement. The question is why it took Larsen, or ma shmo, so long to get his voice?

The UN is a crooked ass business. It's the largest den of thieves in the history of mankind. Uber Mafia.

Yeh, I know. It's a shame that US still supports it. It's not surprising that Euro bureaucrates love it, but why the US government still supports them is beyond my understanding. Well, may be bright stars at Foggy Bottom are not that different from their European counterparts after all.

I almost had a heart attack when our son told us that he wants to work for the UN after graduation. I told him there are better ways to increase misery in the world if this is his aim. Luckily he found interesting intenship at unpopular NGO that tries to fight against politicising science (too late I'm afraid ... sigh), and found work at purely scientific publishing house later, such a relief.

54 Glen Wishard  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:42:03pm

At the ISM website (where the fun never stops) Meet the Helper Monkeys of Allah (or the Revolution, whatever).

Steven from St. Louis has memory lapses:

I don't remember when I first became brainwashed--was it was studying American History as a kid in American schools?

This kid must have went to the same school:

I am an American citizen and I am 19 years old. If I am angry at anyone for "brain washing" me, it is the American public school system. The American/Israeli media machine.

And this guy is in it for the sado-masochism:

I've been an educator and protestor since the late sixties and needed to do more--putting my body in the way of abuse.
55 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:47:56pm

#49 Beagle,

Now I see "It read like parody." No doubt. That's a keeper.

Indeed. I at first thought someone spammed Indymedia with an Onion piece. It's scary to think that anyone would take this nutbar's crazed blabberings seriously.

56 Bird Dog  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:51:48pm

I'll betcha dollars to donuts that the Jamie detained in Israel is the same Jamie written about by Lee Kaplan here. In the FrontPageMag article, she's described as a "social worker for the city of San Francisco." Larudee is also mentioned by Kaplan, who went undercover to an ISM training session. Jamie had all these helpful tips about how to get past IDF security. Looks like her efforts failed this time.

57 patrickafir  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:53:08pm

#52 rosh— My greatest reward is words like yours. I.e., it's my pleasure.

#54 Glen Wishard— LOL

58 PostalWorker  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 8:55:28pm

#53 norar

[Well, agreements have at least two sides to them, and I'm yet to hear of PA fulfulling even one agreement.]

The UN aren't smart crooks, but they are dangerous. THis is typical of criminals.

59 Yehudit  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:23:59pm

More ISM news: ISMer lawsuit rejected. She sued an Israeli journalist for "defaming" her and lost.

60 MakeMyDay  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:25:20pm
Eric Romann of Jews for a Free Palestine criticized the detention of Spector, a friend with whom he has worked on several projects, including a Liberation Seder held for about 150 people at a San Francisco soup kitchen last spring. "Israel claims to be a refuge for Jews, but if you're a Jew like Jamie who has a specific objection to what the state of Israel is doing, you don't even get in,'' Romann said.

Pure bullshit, as usual. Roman and Spector, as evident from the website for the said Jews for a Free Palestine, Renounce Aliyah, object to the very existence of Israel as a Jewish state (check out their idiotic pledge). Of course, the article neglected to mention their true goals.

I am sick and tired of Lying Liars and Rabid Fanatics, which frequently happen to be one and the same. Unfortunately, the Bay Area is teeming with them.

61 Glen Wishard  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:30:17pm

I see that the ISM has added a FAQ to their website, including a statement that glosses over their support of suicide bombers:

Does the ISM support suicide bombers and terrorists? You have a statement on your website that says that, don't you?
The statement on the website says:
"As enshrined in international law and UN resolutions , we recognize the Palestinian right to resist Israeli violence and occupation via legitimate armed struggle. However, we believe that nonviolence can be a powerful weapon in fighting oppression and we are committed to the principles of nonviolent resistance."
The ISM does not support or condone any acts of terrorism, because terrorism is not legitimate armed struggle....

That's what the statement says now that they've changed it. I believe I quoted the previous statement here months ago, which said that the ISM refuses to condemn any methods of "struggle" that the "Palestinian people" choose to employ (though personally, the ISMers just love non-violent stuff, especially the flag-burning).

Then there's this bit of non-logic, which they must have spent a whole ten minutes working on:

You're just anti-Semitic, aren't you?


No. Our number of active volunteers varies, but approximately 15-20% of them are Jewish. Many Jewish organizations, both within and outside Israel, support the aims and efforts of the ISM. Two of the ISM's founders, Neta Golan (Israeli) and Adam Shapiro (USA) are Jewish.
62 zulubaby  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:39:57pm

Glen Wishard (#61)

You're just anti-Semitic, aren't you?

No. Our number of active volunteers varies, but approximately 15-20% of them are Jewish. Many Jewish organizations, both within and outside Israel, support the aims and efforts of the ISM. Two of the ISM's founders, Neta Golan (Israeli) and Adam Shapiro (USA) are Jewish.

I'm not sure they understood the question.

63 Steve  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:41:42pm

What can you do with a vegetable?

You can cook it. try boiling it, steaming it or frying it.

The Thing (1951)

64 PostalWorker  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:46:45pm

["Israel claims to be a refuge for Jews, but if you're a Jew like Jamie who has a specific objection to what the state of Israel is doing, you don't even get in,'' Romann said. ]

LOL Israel is a soveriegn state, and has the right to control who comes there.

No one ever told this bitch to get over it? Sheesh.

65 Capa Negra  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:47:47pm

#60:

That funny site says "no one turned away, sing songs". They would probably *love* to hear Yerushalayim shel zahav, Hatikvah or Zum gali.

66 Glen Wishard  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:48:15pm

#62 zulubaby

I guess they expect us to take comfort in the fact that the ISM can't be more than 80-85% anti-Semitic - assuming, of course, that there is no such thing as a Jewish anti-Semite.

I was almost ready to believe that there could be no such thing as a Jewish anti-Semite, but then they ruined it by mentioning Adam Shapiro.

67 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:50:09pm

60 MakeMyDay,

Pure bullshit, as usual. Roman and Spector, as evident from the website for the said Jews for a Free Palestine, Renounce Aliyah, object to the very existence of Israel as a Jewish state (check out their idiotic pledge). Of course, the article neglected to mention their true goals.

Renounce Aliyah? Would that be anything like this: [Link: pages.britishlibrary.net...]

Note one of the names there, Benjamin Douglas - he has a page at Amazon - take a look at his reviews: [Link: www.amazon.com...]

If these asses want to renounce their right of return, they should by all means go ahead. Israel doesn't need citizens like these.

68 PostalWorker  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:51:41pm

Here's a question for ISM:

How much crack did your actually smoke before thinking up your charter?

69 Capa Negra  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:52:59pm

#67:

"Israel doesn't need citizens like these"

Agreed.

70 zulubaby  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 9:58:21pm

Glen Wishard, their response was a non-response, lots of squirming there. As for Adam Shapiro, he's an anti-Semite alright, Jewish or not. They are scum. Remember him rushing in to help that stinky old terrorist when Israel was leveling the stinky old lair?

71 zulubaby  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 10:04:08pm

Evan, I see that

Steven Rose (Professor)

has signed that. You do know who Hilary and Steven Rose are, right? Friends of the always poisonous Mona Baker.

72 Mojo Jojo  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 10:08:18pm

OT: Someone tell NZ they're Insignificant

The moral of this story. Find a good forger & NZ do gooders should stay out of Israel.

New Zealand imposes diplomatic sanctions on IsraelBy Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent

New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark imposed several diplomatic sanctions on Israel on Thursday a short time after a New Zealand court sentenced two Israelis convicted of trying to unlawfully obtain a passport from that country and participating in an organized crime group.

Clark accused the two Israelis - Uriel Zosha Kelman, 31, and Elisha Cara, 50 - of "acting on behalf of Israel's intelligence services." New Zealand newspapers had previously accused them of being members of the Mossad, a claim they have denied.

Clark said in a statement Thursday that New Zealand was suspending high-level visits to and from Israel and requiring a visa application from any Israelis visiting New Zealand in an official government capacity. She also said New Zealand was not interested in having President Moshe Katsav visit the country in August as part of his scheduled trip to Australia.

New Zealand

73 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 10:10:30pm
74 PostalWorker  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 10:25:34pm

#73 Rayra

Yer shittin' me. I thought they were like uber significant or something. /amazed

75 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 10:27:47pm

Mojo,

I wouldn't expect less from Auntie Helen.

76 Mojo Jojo  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 10:35:42pm

#75 Evan from NZ

I wouldn't expect less from Auntie Helen

I guess she thinks she's some "Iron Bitch." What's she going to do when Israel retaliates & takes some New Zealanders helping the Pali's murder Jews hostage? Didn't she dismantle the NZ military? She going to Fedex some suicide sheep bombers to Israel?

77 Beagle  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 10:39:11pm
New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark

So much for the great female revolution of socialist-warrior bulldozer saints.

78 transferthem  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 11:01:57pm

The answer to the ISM problem seems pretty simple. Shoot enough ugly flat dead bitch rachel corrie types and the world will lose interest. I'd say all of them would be 'enough'.

79 MakeMyDay  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 11:18:25pm

#67 Evan from NZ,

Quite close, but with significant amount of prose devoted to #1, i.e. Palestinian "right of return" to Israel. They just drone on and on about it. And somehow these morons have "the conviction that Jews and all peoples have a right to live anywhere in the world and feel and be safe", which makes them so unintentionally hilarious. The good news, of course, is that they are not going to make aliyah. The bad news is that they are actively trying to wreak Israel and to do so in the name of other Jews.

Checked your link re Benjamin Douglas -- it is no wonder he hates Israel. He obviously has a problem with the Jews anywhere and does not hesitate to perpetuate antisemitic stereotypes.

80 jinnderella  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 11:25:49pm

#52 rosh

Thanks for using your talents to do good.


As opposed to using your talents to do-----
comedy? :)

81 patrickafir  Wed, Jul 14, 2004 11:46:04pm

#80 jinnderella

LOL! I'd forgotten all about that. Jeez, what else have I forgotten?

Thanks for commenting on my piece, by the way, ma'am. :-)

I also forgot to mention: as soon as I published that tongue-in-cheek article about the ISM kids, I began receiving a spate of computer viruses in my email. They've trickled down to about one per day now. I take this as a compliment. And an inspiration.

82 Evan from NZ  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 12:19:17am

#79 MakeMyDay

The worst thing is that Douglas appears to be Jewish himself. Another kapo...

83 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 12:46:07am
84 patrickafir  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 12:57:31am

Um, I don't want to unduly alarm anyone, but it looks like Arafish may have handed off the dreaded RED BINDER™ to the U.N. envoy for the Israeli Suicide/Politicide Pact Middle East Peace Process.

85 Norwegian kafir  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 1:44:15am

OT, but back to the topic of hijab. I am 100% pro-banning, at least in schools. The hijab is NOT a religious symbol in any normal sense of the word, just as Islam is not a religion at all, but an Arab Nazi movement disguised as a religion.

Against Hijab

For us, the veil is not just another kind of clothing; and opposing it is not just defending the right to freedom of clothing even though it is put forward as such. Veiling internalises the Islamic notion in women that they belong to an inferior sex, and that they are sex objects. It teaches them to limit their physical movements and their free behaviour. Veiling is a powerful tool to institutionalise women's segregation and to implement a system of sexual apartheid. It signifies the subjugation and servitude of women based on Islamic doctrine and Koranic teachings. Much more than a way of clothing, hijab is the manifestation of an outright Islamic misogynism and an antiquated view on women's status. It is designed to control women's sexuality much more effectively than any other religion or ideological system.

Furthermore, during the last thirty years, hijab has been and continues to be the political and ideological symbol of political Islam, Islamic states and Islamic movement in the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia. Women have been the first - hand victims of this reactionary movement, and imposing the veil on women by Islamic movement and Islamic governments has been their fist bloody action to suppress the whole society.

There's no such thing as Voluntary Hijab!

Veiling young girls teaches them that they belong to an inferior sex and should be ashamed, and that they are sex objects and must limit their physical movements. By the same token, young boys are taught they belong to the 'superior' sex, and that girls are inferior and sex objects. An unbridgeable gap is thus created and institutionalized between the two sexes at the expense of young girls' deprivation and young boys' 'empowerment'. That is when the license for violence against women is issued. This marks the beginning of 'sexual apartheid', the official subjugation of women during childhood and the nipping in the bud their potentialities to enjoy a happy, creative life. It marks the beginning of the process of making two unequal sexes out of two born-equal ones. This is the beginning of human alienation. The goal is to produce two 'deformed' sexes, i.e. superior and inferior, master and slave, bread-winner and dependent, strong and weak. Much more than an item of clothing, the hijab is a decree of prohibition enforced on young girls; it is a series of laws, threats and tools designed to subjugate and enslave them.

Child hijab is an extreme form of violence against children: * Children are deprived of sports and movement. * Girls are transformed into sex objects from the age of nine. Their 'coming of age' is celebrated and they are virtually prepared for all sorts of sexual abuse. * They are robbed of their self-respect, self-esteem, ambitions, aspirations, and sexuality. * They begin to see boys as inherently 'dangerous', rapists and cruel. * They are deprived of the right to freely socialise with boys and are perceived by boys as sex objects, weak, ignorant, wrongdoers who must be put under men's guardianship. * They are denied music, dancing, and skipping around, of practically all sports, and of certain fields. * Their freedom of personal taste is denied and divided into sacred and profane.

In a nutshell, child veiling is a system of brainwashing girls and boys; it is a tool to marginalise half of society's children. It aims to alienate the two sexes. It must be eliminated.

86 BulgarWheat  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 1:59:42am

ISM has inspired me to want to buy a Caterpillar

The folks in Peoria have got to love the USEFUL IDIOTS!

VROOOM,VROOM

87 Smit  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 2:31:33am

OT - BBC's analysis of The Jewish vote

Others were sure that Jewish voters will continue to vote according to their pocket-books, domestic issues and tradition.

It is a view shared by Steve Rabinowitz, a Democratic pollster, who is confident that as soon as John Kerry's support of Israel is recognised, attention will switch back to domestic concerns and the Democrats will again sweep up the Jewish vote.

88 JWarrior  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 2:51:22am

OT:

Al Qaeda holds server hostage

Arkansas government site forcibly converted

THE ARKANSAS Highway and Transportation Department FTP server was taken over by a terror cell loyal to Osama bin Laden.
The site became the home to 70 videos featuring Islamic jihadist anthems and terrorist speeches. Links to the files were posted to a message board of a pro- Al Qaeda group called al Ansar by someone who called himself Irhabi (Terrorist) 007. Irhabi 007 posted similar material to an FTP server run by The George Washington University in Washington, DC.

An Arkansas Transportation Department spokesman said that more than 70 files were posted to an FTP site for contractors. The files were in a foreign language, he said.

The site was shut down when CNN reporters got wind of the material on the site and rang up to ask why it was there.

Soon after, the FBI showed up nicked the server, pushed it into a black car and took it away for routine interrogation. It has not been seen since. A Feds spokesman has confirmed that the agency took some computer equipment, but would not say whether it was investigating the incident.

[Link: www.theinquirer.net...]

89 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 2:52:07am

OT: Al Jizz is coming to Canada.

Or, as the Globe and Mail reporter calls it, "the CNN of the Arab world". Just like Der Sturmer was The New York Times of the German world.

90 peace be upon me  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:21:09am

OT
Battle for Shiite sect's so called holiest city: Qom v Najaf:
[Link: www.theledger.com...]

Let's settle this: nuke them both!

91 Smitty  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:23:09am

#89 scaramouche

Oh no. I don't believe it! Al Jizz over RAI!? I'm not even Italian but come on! Figures the G&M would get the scoop on this one. I heard yesterday of a Québec City radio station that got it's license pulled by the CRTC over "off-colour" remarks, but we're going to allow "jihad TV" to be carried in Canada. Great, just f'ing great.

92 Furious J  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:34:04am

A Primer On Communism

Lileks linked to it. It seemed on-topic.

93 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:35:56am

#91 Smitty

That was comes of having your head lodged so firmly up your ass that you think Italians and potty-mouthed Quebecois are the real threats to our society. You would think the Canadian broadcasting regulator might consider the rise in Jew-hatred in Canada before letting in "the Arab CNN". More like the Arab Trojan horse. If any more synagogues are defaced or desecrated or firebombed, we can thank the CRTC for fanning the flames of Muslim rage.

94 Jefe  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:39:03am

OT - FrontPage has an article on an 11 year old Massachusetts boy's blog, exposing liberal bias & indoctrination in his public school system.

"When we recently studied Islam, the instructor discussed the current Israel-Palestine conflict which was irrelevant to what we were studying. She of course only showed us the side of the Palestinians and eventually asked the Jewish people in the class to raise their hands. Still trying to figure this one out, is she thinking of organizing a mock suicide bombing against the Jews in our class?"
95 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:43:29am

Uproar in New Zealand as two Mossad agents have been nabbed trying to illegally obtain N.Z. passports. The Kiwis aren't too fond of Israel to begin with, and this is fueling outrage that Israel could stoop to such nefarious practices. Meanwhile, the Jewish community is mortified. Suck it up, folks. It was a bit of passport fraud designed to counteract terrorists. It's not like anyone was beheaded.

96 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:45:19am

94


If I were his parents, I think I'd cancel this summer's vacation and use the money to send that boy to a private school.

97 RickZ  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:46:28am

# 38 rosh:

Back when the Soviet Union still existed and I was wet behind the ears, I didn't get what the problem was with communism. It was just an alternative form of government.

Childrens' education of the communist philosophy is based on the proximity of the subject matter to their family, as well as their type of schooling. My grandmother left the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1911, so Hungary's plight after WWII was personal. Just look at Americans of Cuban ancestry today! Entering Catholic schools in 1962, the nuns I had as teachers made sure we were well versed in the godlessness of communism, and the societies it ruined through moral bankruptcy and barbarity. We were shown many anti-communist filmstrips and movies. Educational indoctrination at a young age works - I will always hate communism.

----

That being said, it amazes me, in ways I just cannot comprehend, that any youth of today would work with any group, like the ISM. associated with the failed historical philosophy of communism. I don't care if the group is working for "Save the Whales" or "Feed the Homeless on Skid Row." Their lack of historical knowledge on the communist philosophy of government is appalling. The list of its atrocities commited in the glorious name of communism is a voluminous textbook on this misery-producing form of government. That misery is not hyperbole. Whether one, especially someone Jewish, is for or against the Wall, the Occupation, etc., to align themselves with a communist front group within an Islamo-fascist society gives new depth to the phrase "useful tools."

For useful tools, or idiots, of the Palestineans they are, dreaming their utopian thoughts and "fighting" for world peace. In thinking that by joining a communist front group wrapped up in the values of this Islamo-fascist society they will achieve anything positive, well, it is absurd beyond any known measure. Lenin, Trotsky, and Dzerzhinsky must be having a hearty laugh at our expense.

Islamo-fascists will use anything to defeat Israel and the West, including resurrecting the failed communist philosophy to achieve those ends, suckering in the stupid. The mohammedan idea of lying to one's enemies fits in neatly with the communist belief of saying anything to achieve power; both would use that power to destroy those that meekly handed them that power in the first place. One wonders if these useful idiots know which wall is really their mortal enemy, Israel's or the one they'd stand in front of, pockmarked with bullet holes while smoking a last cigarette?

98 ben-ami  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:46:58am
You're just anti-Semitic, aren't you?


No. Our number of active volunteers varies, but approximately 15-20% of them are Jewish. Many Jewish organizations, both within and outside Israel, support the aims and efforts of the ISM. Two of the ISM's founders, Neta Golan (Israeli) and Adam Shapiro (USA) are Jewish.

Verrry convenient. Shapiro (ptui, ptui, ptui) evidently likes to have it both ways - he says that he doesn't consider himself Jewish in most cases, but if the purpose is to put a non-anti-Semitic face on ISM, then he's a Jew. Verrrry convenient.

99 Powderfinger  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:48:00am

OT: Shiny new hooks and a $55/k per year personal butt wiper.

It's good to be a UK terrorist.

100 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:54:38am

#99

Can't they get this guy some non-metal artificial limbs? You know, the kind that have artificial fingernails? Maybe then he could wipe his own bum.

101 scaramouche  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:56:25am

I just thought of a good way to goof on Abu Hamza: magnetize his cage.

102 Furious J  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:58:51am

Mostly OT the Detroit Free Press ran this puff piece today: Dearborn's Imam Qazwini: A champion for Islam's future

A quick google search didn't find anything overtly sinister about the Imam, nothing to contradict the sandal-licking in the story anyway. Maybe this is one of those moderate Muslims we hear so much about.

103 jayce  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 3:59:23am

#12 Mark

a Palestinian Communist or a Palestinian Islamist? Or are they just two sides of the same coin....?

Mark, the coin is called TERRORISM and it is more than two faced.

I haven't finished reading all the comments so perhaps someone clarified who the actual head of ISM is.

According to the instructions they give their "activists" on their web site, they take their orders from the Palestinian Authority; that is, Yasser Arafat.

104 Evan from NZ  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:02:15am

95 scaramouche

Uproar in New Zealand as two Mossad agents have been nabbed trying to illegally obtain N.Z. passports. The Kiwis aren't too fond of Israel to begin with, and this is fueling outrage that Israel could stoop to such nefarious practices. Meanwhile, the Jewish community is mortified. Suck it up, folks. It was a bit of passport fraud designed to counteract terrorists. It's not like anyone was beheaded.



Disgraceful, I know.

More on the story: [Link: silentrunning.tv...]

(I left a comment)
105 Sean II  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:10:51am

From Fox:

Police apparently thwarted a second attack in Karbala (search), where police chased down a car after receiving a tip it was filled with explosives, said Rahman Mshawi, a local police spokesman.

"Finding themselves surrounded, the two persons inside detonated the car," Mshawi said.


Taking Pali lessons with regards to work accidents?

106 ben-ami  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:11:51am

If there was any doubts about the aims of ISM, here's a handy map of "Palestine" from a site that they link to, and which thanks the members of ISM for their help.

Now, what's missing on this map... No, they've got the major cities, it looks like - Jerusalem (what, not al-Quds?), Tel Aviv-Yafo, etc... just seems that there's something not there. Oh, wait, I know: the State of Israel. Their definition of occupied Palestine is the West Bank and Gaza - plus all of the present State of Israel.

107 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:14:28am

#34 Patrickafir

Very nice article. Have you read Christopher Browning's "Ordinary Men: Police Batallion 101". It's so chilling. It's the story of these older police reserves from Germany who were sent to the east to murder Russian Jewish civilians. I highly recommend it.

Re: The ISM Terrorists. I hope they all get their just desserts.

Bwahahahaha!

108 jinnderella  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:16:21am

#106 ben-ami: Did you see my last comment to you on the 'Criticizing...' thread? BTW, I did appreciate your beautiful manners there-- would that all beings had them.

109 Evan from NZ  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:22:05am

WriterMom,

LOL!!

110 Luigi  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:23:48am
111 Axiom  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:30:58am

OT: NAACP Convention

A trusted source who is working security at the NAACP convention tells me that last night the speakers went into a tirade against Jewish control and manipulation of African Americans. They didn't stop there. Speakers also tore into Asians and of course the obligatory "white man".

My source has alerted the ADL to see if they have ways of obtaining more information.

112 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:33:20am

OT

More Saudi deception.

Off with Heads

113 Axiom  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:38:22am

Does anyone have a picture of George Rashmawi?

I'm curious if he is the same person as Elias Rashmawi, whom I saw speak insane lunacy at an event that featured Cynthia McKinney.

114 Axiom  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:45:03am

Jefe: Nice teacher eh?

She of course only showed us the side of the Palestinians and eventually asked the Jewish people in the class to raise their hands.


Because we all know that the only people that oppress the 'Palestinians' are Jews. Not Jordanians, not Egyptians, not Lebanese, not Syrians; just Jews.

115 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:47:44am

OT - Slim-Fast cans Whoopi over Bush Remarks

Maybe somebody's already posted this. Props to Slim-Fast for dumping Whoopi Goldberg as pitchwoman after her disgusting "comedy routine" at the Kery-Edwards fundraiser in NYC. I'll bet they got some calls and emails after her "performance".

116 Luigi  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:49:37am

OT

Things hacve gotten much better in their country. In February 1939 the Nazis occupied Madison Square Garden with a German American Bund rally. This year the Nazis can't get anywhere near the place.

117 Axiom  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:51:48am

#115 Ward Cleaver

I think NBC cancelled Whoopi's television show. She's also no longer the center square on Hollywood Squares.

She's a perfect 'fit' for the Democrats. She can't win anything of late.

118 Renna  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:52:46am

#94, #96

On the other hand, it is good to have someone "on the inside" reporting and it sounds like he is grounded enough to be safe from the indoctrination. Helps hone his BS detection skills too.

And by being there, it might help other classmates who were thinking, "You know, it sounded wrong to me too but I thought if everyone else was buying it, I must be getting it wrong. I'm glad to know everyone doesn't just accept this outright. Hmm, what else should I question?"

If stats are right, half or more of the kids in any school aren't idiotarians but since the LLL kids are the ones to speak out most often, and since teachers are what they are, I'll bet most of the sane kids think they are the only one in the school who thinks that way and they keep their mouth shut.

119 sharona  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:56:45am

Speaking of inadvertent tools, the family of a soldier killed in Iraq has publicly censured Michael Moore for videotaping his funeral and using it in "FarenCrap 9/11":

John McCaslin @ Townhall.com: Moore's Prop

The family of U.S. Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone was shocked to learn that video footage of the major's Arlington National Cemetery burial was included by Michael Moore in his movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Stone was killed in March 2003 by a grenade that officials said was thrown into his tent by Sgt. Hasan K. Akbar, who is on trial for murder.

It's been a big shock, and we are not very happy about it, to say the least," Kandi Gallagher, Stone's aunt and family spokeswoman, tells Washington Times reporter Audrey Hudson.

We are furious that Greg was in that casket and cannot defend himself, and my sister, Greg's mother, is just beside herself," Gallagher said. "She is furious. She called him a 'maggot that eats off the dead.'"

The movie, described by critics as political propaganda during an election year, shows video footage of the funeral and Stone's fiancee, Tammie Eslinger, kissing her hand and touching it to his coffin.

The family does not know how Moore obtained the video, and Gallagher said they did not give permission and are considering legal recourse.

What a bastard.

120 Renna  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 4:57:09am

I'm guessing there will be a call for a Slim-fast boycott.

Should we all run out today and buy a can of powder, diet or no? I bought Pantene for the first time in years after they hired Patricia Heaton to advertise. I also try to see movies at Regal Cinemas after seeing this. See lines 1 and 4.

122 Renna  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:01:44am

#119 sharona

Does anyone who has seen F9/11 know how the funeral is narrated? What I mean is, does Mikey tell the viewer how and by whom he was killed?

124 Jefe  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:06:30am

#114 Axiom

Yeah, and there's more where that came from, including a really silly BDS sing-along from the music teacher.

#118 Renna

My first thought would be to yank him, especially after reading about the Jewish students being singled out, though it is good having someone who can think for himself on the "inside". Growing up, I was usually the only Jewish student in my classes, but I don't remember anything like that. I wonder how I would react, especially if I was only 11. The only thing that sticks in my head was a Government teacher telling the class that Jews usually vote Republican because of their business ties. I remember thinking BS (but not calling it), though she was otherwise a fine teacher. This was during the first Gulf War, which she seemed to fully support.

Anyway, he's trying to stay anonymous & keep up the exposes, but he's getting a lot of heat, including threats to reveal his identity. Sounds like a future Protest Warrior.

126 sharona  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:11:54am

#122 Renna:

I'm not sure how exactly the footage was used, as I have not seen the film. I'm not sure I could stomach Moore even if I snuck in to "Farencrap 9/11".

Although I did see something in the Chicago Sun-Times the other day about how theatre managers believe that many people are actually buying tickets to other film showings, and then sneaking in to see "F 9/11". I thought that was pretty funny, and the only way I'd agree to see it.

127 dazoid81  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:12:57am

of course, many of those thousands want Al-Sadr...
::shrug ::

128 Axiom  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:16:02am

#120 Renna

That site is awesome. I'm running through the names of Loral Space & Communications(traitors that gave China classified US military tech) and almost all of their Board of Directors are big wig Democratic Party donors.

129 Axiom  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:18:05am

#122 Renna

From what I recall the funeral scene is pretty brief. It shows like a helicopter shot of Arlington zooming out. Then it shows some family members paying their respects before a headstone. I think it was a mother and her young son and they were tearing and they hugged eachother.

130 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:18:18am
131 Axiom  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:18:31am

Oh, and there wasn't any dialogue during this. Just music and the cinematography.

132 dazoid81  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:18:59am

haha, 121 - SeanII
beat me by 4 posts!

133 Dean Douthat  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:20:20am

jinnderella:

Call me odd but I liked your former twisted self better. It appealed to my own twisted side.

Uh ... maybe I've said too much already.

134 Luigi  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:27:14am

OT (Hearts and Minds)

Blogging is unclogging America's information arteries. The voice of the people is being heard, and that is bad news for the bigshots who run the media and want to control what we know. Look at these hit statistics for FrontPage website. LGF is running about the same, I think. I believe these numbers include many important opinion leaders, and what gets said here gets read in important places.

135 Maine's Michael  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:30:09am
what a contemptuous term.......and the author KNOWS he can get away with it, regarding the aJewish community.

The leadership of the british jews' behaviour probably gives him the idea that they are a self hating bunch, and would probably agree with his tone.

See this piece in the guardian by a british jewish MP, calling for sanctions on Israel.

Livingstone, the chief rabbi (whatever his name is), this kaufman schmuck - what's with the british jewish leadersip anyway?

I thought they were supposed to 'dress british, think yiddish'.

Perhaps they are scared, deep down. I was going to say cowards, but perhaps that's too harsh. Maybe they are just plain stupid.

136 Renna  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:32:29am

Axiom #129, #131

So we've basically got another lie then, a lie of omission. He shows a funeral to demostrate how Bush is "getting our boys killed", but fails to mention how he was killed. An important point, no?

Murdered by a man who didn't want to fight and possibly kill people he had something in common with, fellow Muslims, so he fought and killed people he had something in common with, fellow Americans and fellow soldiers.

Not to mention that he was only asked to fight and possibly kill some fellow Muslims, the Baathist thugs, and was doing it to free other fellow Muslims (and assorted other Iraqis of varying faiths).

137 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 5:53:54am

I've got a plea - does anyone have links or stories on other various anti-war organization founders, financial backing. I'm putting together an information resource on my site, and could use some help in gathering the info.

Email me if you've got leads on this.

TIA!

138 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 6:09:04am

So on this theory, Rachel Corrie was an intentional and welcome sacrifice on the altar of the Palestinian PR campaign.

Do you think any of the current crop of ISM hacky-sack tools will read this cynical statement:

“But if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice.”

and think twice about what they're doing?

Nah. Dumb and Dumberer, Part XVI: The Boys Do Rafah

139 Studsup  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 6:19:04am

"In other words, the gullible multiculti vegetables harvested by the ISM from American universities are intentional sacrifices to the cause of Palestinian Communist propaganda. Lovely people."

The ISM conceit that somehow the USA will give special concern to the sacrifice of their white skin in support of Palestinian terror attacks is appallingly racist. Moreover, it's astonishingly wrong. I personally look forward to reading about ISM terror supporters being blown to smithereens, white skin and all. The world becomes a less dangerous place when ISM terror enablers are killed.

140 Ratbert  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 7:25:05am

#86

ISM has inspired me to want to buy a Caterpillar

I'd like one for my desk with a Rachel Corrie figurine with half of the U.S. flag in each hand.

141 its jake  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 7:34:21am

That explains why it's all commies in the ISM!

Seriously, Rachel Corrie was from Portland, which is Red Square West in my book.

142 jayce  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 7:35:00am

Jefe:

The only thing that sticks in my head was a Government teacher telling the class that Jews usually vote Republican because of their business ties. I remember thinking BS (but not calling it), though she was otherwise a fine teacher. This was during the first Gulf War, which she seemed to fully support.

I guess she never heard (Bush Senior's) Republican James Baker spew:

"F___ the Jews! They never voted for us anyway."
143 PostalWorker  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 8:39:46am

#141 its jake

Portland's coffee shops hold ABB meetings often. This state is hurting because of the socialist bastards that get elected by people in the big three counties in and around Portland.

We've had Dems in power here for a long time. Take a look at the trouble Oregon is in financially, and socially.

It's the picture of America if we let these SOB's take over the government.

144 veebee  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 9:11:50am
Jamie Spector, 32, a social worker with the San Francisco Unified School District [...]
Spector's mother, Annette, an educational consultant in Virginia, said she and her husband, Peter, support their daughter in her activism.

Oh no!

145 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 9:58:18am
146 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 9:59:05am
147 veebee  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 10:17:00am

According to Lee Kaplan, nearly half of the volunteers at the training section he attended were Arab. He also mentioned a half-Arab, hafl-Asian girl. So no, they don't reject "brown" volunteers. I doubt any African Americans are stupid enough to sign up, though.

148 Clutch  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 11:21:08am

The theme song to the ISM's favorite TV program:

"If you like to talk to terrorists,
If jihad can make you smile,
If you like to waltz with a bombelt,
And blow up in the produce aisle ...
Have we got a ideology for you!

CommieTales! (8 times)
Arafat, moonbat, tinfoil hat...
CommieTales!
Biased news, kill the j-ws, bombs in shoes...
CommieTales!
Marxist brats, Democrats, traitorous rats...
CommieTales!

There’s never, ever, ever, ever, ever been a threat like CommieTales!
There’s never, ever, ever, ever, ever been a threat like CommieTales!
It’s time for CommieTales!

MoveOn.com! Arab bomb! Got to be! CommieTales!!
Rachel Cory! Carswarm gory! Got to be! CommieTales!"

with sincere apologies to VeggieTales.

149 mikalm  Thu, Jul 15, 2004 1:36:54pm

#83 FabioC --

The Uhuru group is a fixture in the Oakland, California (my home) nut-left scene. They're mostly self-hating White liberals who periodically conduct these ridiculously overheated rhetorical campaigns against local politicians not considered sufficiently Pro-Afrikan enough. Think of the LaRouchites crossed with the Black Panthers, and you've got an idea of their general character and behavior.

They're mostly considered a joke here, even by the hard left.


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