i hope he gets his head chopped off

Yesss. Face American justice, beeyotch.

#1, Oktober. We do not use decapitation as a means of execution in the USA. However it has been known to happen on ocasion when a hanging is botched. I would much prefer to see him restrained in a bear trap and allowing Al Jazeera to televise him chewing his own leg off prior to setting the dogs on him.

"True lies that's what the dems should have called their convention"
Arnold

OT: Giant new oil field discovered in Mexico.

Arnold!

Soon to disappear to a country hostile to the US of A!

Ahhhnnold is on.

Ich bin eine Republican!

OT:
DAM! Check out the big brain on the Gov-a-nator!

So far this convention beats the hell out of Kerry's

"Don't be economic girlymen" OMG! luvin it.

no girly-man
Arnold

Economic Girly men... Im so glad my state got rid of Gray Davis

Economic Girly-Men

Best line of the convention yet!

What you want to bet that Rall or someone else does a cartoon of Arnold as Hitler giving a speech to nazis?

"one America and their fighting for it"
Arnold

Pretty good. But if he does one more cheesy movie reference Im going to hide my head and plug my ears

Go Gov-a-nater! I can almost feel California sliding to the red side of the ledger... hehehehe!

#18 Mr. E. Train

It probably will. Wouldn't be the first time.

Oh wow, the twins!

Let them all out. Do you have any idea how dangerous driving, walking down the street, or just doing things around the house can be? ;) I remember the Radio Free Europe guy getting poked by the Communists with an umbrella. When the little ricin pellet unloaded in his system, he died.

I've had it. Time to replace the gloves with brass knuckles.

#5 Yehudit

Very good news, indeed!

I'm gonna poke the rest of his eyes out.

Next they`ll give him the Victoria Cross or make him a OBE.

#5 Yehudit

Sell your oil futures short right now, all you MF's. I would, if I had any money! This is huge, if true. I'm off to research. Even the rumor is enough to bank off of. Fuck I wish I had some kapital!!!

#5 Yehudit

If that oil in Mexico story is true, the economy has nowhere to go but up. That could help solve two major problems, as the article stated, dependence on the Middle East, and a lack of hard currency in Mexico.

I really want that to be true. A richer Mexico, based on their own oil resources, would help the whole American continent. That may be the biggest buried news story since oil-for-food.

De-arrested? Only after they surgically implant a tracking device... in his camel-louse-infected bum.

#25

Slightly unfair - de-arrest is a technical legal matter. Under British (and American) law the police can only detain a suspect for so long until their enquiry is finished. He is still in Prison until he is extradited.

Britain is actually going out on a limb (if you pardon the pun on hook hands) in extraditing him on what is pretty flimsy evidence. The USA NEVER extradited a single IRA terrorist to the UK, deeming their actions as 'political'. I loathe Hamza, but given the fact that the US didn't honour the special relationship when our citizens were being murdered by (Irish) religious fanatics why should we go out on a limb on this one? We will detain him in the same conditions you would.

Remember too that Hamza was trained in Afghanistan by a certain Western country - they didn't give him a medal but he got millions of dollars - who could that have been? Not the UK I'm glad to say.

Anyone see the report on BBC where people took over a school in Russia, and are holding 200 hostage?

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

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This article by Ali Sina is very interesting:
`. This is England we are talking about not Iran or Pakistan. These academics are Brits, yet they are afraid to speak out their minds in their own homeland. The following is our correspondence:
[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

#1 and #3 Oktober & Gymnast,

I very much admire and agree with both execution methods you mentioned, although Oktobers decapitation technique is possibly a little too quick and merciful for that hooking lunatic. But please reconsider, I am well aware that Mr.Hamza is a prime candidate for a huge list of novel and quite agonizing deaths and utterly deserving of them, but you just can't say things like that, it offends Thom and Geepers, they might cry or worse have nightmares.Those lovely pink quilts their mom gave them last xmas, will be ruined permanently ( the odd piss stain is usually over-looked but a soiling of that magnitude...).

#29 McKinnon of that Ilk

the special relationship when our citizens were being murdered by (Irish) religious fanatics why should we go out on a limb on this one?

The IRA has always been a secular, Marxist leaning nationalist organisation - unlike Islamic terrorists, they have never issued a statement claiming acts of murder in the name of a primarily religious cause, or on behalf of God or Jesus.

I'm no friend of Irish nationalism, but it should also be pointed out that the IRA largely eschewed civilian targets in favour of military and commercial ones, almost always giving warnings so that civilians could be evacuated (which weren't always acted upon swiftly by British authorities).

Islamic terrorists like Abu Hamza - and this is why querying the term Islamic terrorism is disingenous - are inspired and driven to the extremes of barbarism by Islam, and they justify the most inhuman crimes with Islamic texts. They have no cause other than the annihilation or enslavement of every human being on earth they consider insufficiently Islamic.

Remember too that Hamza was trained in Afghanistan by a certain Western country - they didn't give him a medal but he got millions of dollars - who could that have been? Not the UK I'm glad to say.

You might be confusing Hamza with someone else here - see Abu Hamza's Activities: A Partial Timeline. It mentions he went to Afghanistan in the early 1990s but the fact that he was clearing mines (probably with a pointy stick in one hand and a Koran in the other) suggests he probably wasn't a conduit for millions of dollars.

Charles,

Is he being deported or extradited? It may seem slightly nuanced, but people who are deported are from the country they're deported to. I didn't think he was one of our homegrown morlocks.

He may be extradited to the US - there was earlier talk about him being stripped of UK citizenship and deported, probably to Yemen.

But the Yemenis would almost certainly execute him, and British law forbids extraditing or deporting anyone to any country where they would face execution.

So if you do get Hamza, he won't face the death penalty - which is probably a good thing, as there's nothing in the Koran about gloriously wasting away in a damp cell.

#34

I'm no friend of Irish nationalism, but it should also be pointed out that the IRA largely eschewed civilian targets in favour of military and commercial ones, almost always giving warnings so that civilians could be evacuated

That is exactly what IRA propoganda would say, but it is not supported by the facts. If you were from the UK you would recognise the names of many massacres of civilians - most of which were shot dead, not blown up, so the issue of 'warnings' you raise is irrelevant (and would not absolve them from moral blame anyway) - Enniskillen (11 civilians), Teeban (8 civilians), Darkley (3 people shot dead when the congregation of a protestant church was sprayed with IRA gunfire - clearly a religious attack, neither military or commercial), Claudy (9 civilians blown up by an IRA gang led by a priest), La Mon (12 civilians massacred at a dog show), Altnaveigh (6 shot dead in a religious meeting hall), Kingsmill (10 shot dead in a mini bus), Bloody Friday (21 'no warning' bombs which killed 9 civilians and maimed hundreds), Tullyvallen (5 civilians shot dead at a religious meeting), Shankill bomb (10 civilians killed in 'no warning' attack).

I could go on - terrorism is terrorism, murder is murder, don't fall for propoganda from the IRA or their friends the PLO. I am a Northern Irish Jew, so have no particular leaning for either side, but I lived there through the troubles, and I know ethnic cleansing by terrorists when I see it.

In terms of Abu Hamza, he has claimed to have been a Mujahadeen commander in Afghanistan, and the Mujahadeen was funded by the US to the tune of many millions of dollars.

#27 B

I commend an article in the July-Aug/04 Foreign Affairs issue, which examines the benefits/drawbacks of unearned, natural resources wealth. Iraq was the subject of the piece, but numerous other oil producers were used as comparators- and the principles can be applied to Mexico.

#37

I am from the UK, and am aware of the details of many of the attacks you're referring to - and perhaps the 'largely' in the paragraphy you quoted is a qualification the IRA does not deserve simply because at times they have 'eschewed civilian targets' at times (although I was, perhaps selfishly, thinking about the UK mainland).

I wasn't trying to justify terrorism of any kind, and agree that giving warnings does not equate to any form of moral superiority - it just implies greater discrimination than the purposeless slaughter of random civilians by Islamic terrorists.

Whether US funding of the Mujeheddin in Afghanistan has any bearing on the case of Abu Hamza depends not just on whether Hamza was ever involved with the Mujeheddin, but also (otherwise it would be an irrelevant point) on whether the US can be blamed for the rise of Islamist terrorism - far fetched, to say the least.

Consider the reasons that Islamists have given for their crimes - the favoured phrase of the leftist/islamist axis, 'US hegemony', is often mentioned only in passing, amongst a myriad of other justification, most often amounting simply to dictates of the Koran and the example set by Mohammed, the existence of non-Muslim countries and a fantasised, Orwellian perception of 'Islamophobia'.

Anyway, I had no intention of causing offence with my inadequate characterisation of the difference between the IRA and Islamist terrorism.

IRA terrorism was abhorrent and it certainly did kill civillians. However, the IRA had specific, geographically limited aims, unlike the Islamists who seem to want to rule the world and will stop at nothing.

Part of his punishment should be to make him stand in the restroom at the public bus station 12 hours a day, remove his hook, and replace it with a toilet paper spool.

Re: #30 Suntory

Even worse, it appears about 400 people are being held hostage - half children - by terrorists. Reports said some at least were wearing bomb belts.

Of course the CBC this morning referred to them as "militants". Can't insult the Islamozoids now can we by calling them terrorists.

#40

the IRA had specific, geographically limited aims, unlike the Islamists

Does that make their terrorism less bad then?

Don't the Palestinian terrorists have "specific, geographically limited aims"? Didn't Lebanese Hizbullah? Don't the Chechens? And the Indonesians? And the Janjaweed? etc etc Even Bin Laden's demands were specific and geographically limited "Get out of Saudi Arabia" etc

They don't all come together at some conference to formulate a world takeover. It's a 'war on terrorism' we are engaged in, not a 'war on certain types of terrorism'?

Bring it on.

"Welcome to America, bitch. By the way, no metal objects in your 6x4 observation cell. We'll just keep those hooks in a nice, safe place for you."

Good luck eating with your stumps, Abu!