What is it about not providing aid and comfort to the enemy that the MSM doesn't understand?

He's goin' down...

Unless he rips off the election...

1st?

Johnny Johnny Johnny. Did you film the meetings with your super-8?

How can such a treasonous SOB run for President of the United States?

And how, how can so many people want to vote for him?

It actually makes me sad.

kerry = traitor. why is this man not in jail?

I wish people would take something like this seriously. However, BDS seems to trump all reason and recognition. Those suffering from it wouldn't know treason if Benedict Arnold or Julius & Ethel Rosenberg fell in their laps.

I'm still wondering if he was involved in similar activities prior to his military time. Well, at least prior to the dates on his security paperwork.

It sure would be some sort of sick justice if "missing" memos appeared that linked him to some of the banned organizations prior to his duty. This, of course, would mean that he lied on his security paperwork...well, everyone can dream I suppose!

That bastard should have been lined up against the wall for treason. I hate how people like Bill O'Reilly will say " We know John Kerry is a Patriot..." Bullshit. He is for a weak America, and I'm afraid some of us are stupid enough to vote this treasonous cockbit into office. God help us if this horseface ballswinger gets elected.

This is reason numero uno why the swifties are on the attack all year, and reason numero uno why I personally will find it incredibly repulsive if this sob is elected.

That otherthanhonorable will come out sooner or later. It has to, but please make it sooner rather than later.

Roark

mapenguin, nobody really wants to vote for him, the left wants to vote against bush. the dems could have put a pineapple in place of kerry and the ABB crowd would still vote against bush.

Waiting for the MSM to pick up on this...

Listen...

Hear it?

[sound of crickets chirping]

If this is true, Kerry should be impeached from his Senate seat and put on trial. For some reason it's only Democratic candidates who seem to sell out the US to Communist countries.

good lord and butter, what a shtick holtz he is. burn the bastard

"We're not going to say he's an agent for Vietnamese communists, but it's the next thing to it," he said. "Whether he was consciously carrying out their direction or naively doing what they wanted, it amounted to the same thing -- he advanced their cause."

MSM - Whether consciously carrying out John Kerry's direction or naively doing what he wants, it amounts to the same thing -- they advance his cause.

i meant to say "treasonous cockbite". Couldnt let that one go uncorrected.

Kerry sold us out in Vietnam to the communist and he will do the same thing with the muslin terrorist. Kerry is a Bucket of SH*T

In 1995 I had the priviledge to work along side four Vietnamese refugees. Nothing pissed them off more than mentioning to them , NorCal LLL style' "ooh, I'm so sorry what we did to your country".

As a group, their manners and demeanor are too kind to tell a hippie "fuck you moron", the look on their faces told all.

OT Can I ask a silly q: Barack Obama's brother back in Kenya is named Malik. Is that just an African name or is it a Muslim name?

This info was available back in the 60s and 70s. The press chose to go with enemy’s version. If the “main stream” media would just tell the truth all would be good again. BTW, Viet Nam was the last step communism took. It has been dying for thirty years.

deep breathes now folks, 48 hour rule in effect

It actually makes me sad

It scares me that sheeple can be so myoptic.

It is really a sad commentary that liberals hate Bush so much that they would put a traiter in the oval office. What I'm really afraid of is that lurch will win and we have some supreme court justice vacancies coming up. (cancer and age)

Wow. Nice work, Corsi.

Soon we'll hear something like "JK, like many college-age students at the time, were swept up in the enthusiasms of that age. College activism is an American tradition, blah blah blah"

Nothing to see here, move along... only notice the 380 tons that went missing because Bush is Hitler...

OT - but spit

WTF is wrong with these people:
Talking animal promotes massacre with AK-47 on PA TV program for Palestinian children

Girl: “If a boy comes in front of your house where a tree is planted, and cuts it down, what would you do?”

Talking Chick: “I have two trees in front of my house.”

Girl: “If a little boy cuts them down, what will you do to him?”

Talking Chick: “What I'll do to him?
I'll fight him and make a big riot,
I'll call the whole world and make a riot.
I'll bring AK-47s [assault rifles] and the whole world,
I'll commit a massacre in front of the house".

But previously revealed records indicate the future senator made two, and possibly three, trips to Paris to meet with Viet Cong leader Madame Nguyen Thi Binh then promote her plan's demand for U.S. surrender.

This mother f'er should be tried for treason RIGHT NOW. He negotiated for the enemy for our surrender...and this the man you dhimmi's want to fight a war and keep you safe??

God help us...

OT: Daily Treason column from SF Gaza Gazette/Pali Post:
Nationalism drives many insurgents as they fight U.S.
'Terrorists,' only one element, experts say

[Link: sfgate.com...]

("What would we do without experts", said Mr. Taranto)

Can you spell O C T O B E R S U R P R I S E?

I Knew the sonovabitch was a traitor when he besmirched the character of the entire armed forces in 1971 with his claims of daily atrocities.

Since it is World Series Time, I saw this on ESPN this morning... What are the odds that JFnK would attend both of these events in two different cities in one night? Don't the integrity of a man mean anything to the left??? Are we going to be uncovering "The lie of the Day" if these lefties are elected???

Despite doubts by watchdog groups about the logistics of being at two events at the same time, Sen. John Kerry did attend both a political banquet in Boston and Game 6 of the 1986 World Series in New York on the same night 18 years ago, according to the Democratic presidential candidate's senior campaign advisor.

In interviews with ESPN.com and ESPN The Magazine, Kerry recalled his sufferings as a Boston Red Sox fan as Bill Buckner failed to field a ground ball hit by Mookie Wilson with two outs in the 10th inning. The Mets rallied to win that game, 6-5, and Game 7 two nights later, extending Boston's World Series drought that followed its title in 1918.

"Do I believe in it?" Kerry said in response to a question about the Red Sox's supposed Curse of the Bambino. "No, but it certainly makes a powerful argument from time to time. I mean, I don't believe in curses, but I do think that we've been under a cloud here and there. I was 30 yards away from Billy Buckner in that famous Shea Stadium game in '86. So I've been there in the heartbreaks. And I was screaming at the television set when Grady [Little] did not pull Pedro [Martinez] out."

Web bloggers point to a Boston Globe article from Oct. 26, 1986, the day after Game 6 of the World Series, in which Kerry was noted to have attended the Massachusetts Latino Democratic Committee banquet the night before at the World Trade Center in South Boston.

"Sen. Kerry attended a public event in [Massachusetts] in the early evening and hopped a shuttle flight from Boston to NYC. [Kerry] got to Shea with the game in progress," Michael Meehan, Kerry's senior campaign advisor, wrote to ESPN.com in an e-mail. "Remember the Sox were up 3-2 so all of Red Sox Nation was planning for a Series win."

Kerry had also claimed to have run in the Boston Marathon in the late 1970s or early '80s, though no records of his finish exist. Meehan said Kerry ran the race unofficially "as a bandit." Running the race without a number was more commonplace 25 years ago than it is today.

Darren Rovell, who covers sports business for ESPN.com, can be reached at Darren.rovell@espn3.com.

jimann:

The misspelling in your quote ...

"muslin terrorist"

made me think of a jihadi forced to dress in vintage Laura Ashley. We all know how they detest being made to feel like women, lol!

Shouldn't there be bumper stickers saying "Kerry Lied, They Died"?

Makes me wonder how sKerry became a Senator, (oh...Mass-a-chewsitts? ok...explains a lot) but just blows my mind that this slime can run for President. I mean, I know the MSM is biased, but I didn't know the Mediots were this biased.

We used to have punishments for this kind of thing. One of them involved a firing squad...

Come to think of it, pass blindfolds and cigarettes out to the Mediots too...

Now the problem is that we ALREADY live under the dictatorship of the media controlled by the lefties-commies-subversives-anarchists-friends of the islamofascists-friends of anyone who hates America.

They will not talk about this.

Ahhh, is anyone going to try and reproduce the document with Word?

/just kidding

bp sf:

When I was an undergrad at UCLA during the first week of the 1991 Gulf War, and the LLLs were out protesting the bombing campaign.

In the Daily Bruin, there was one Vietnamese girl who disagreed with the protestors, telling them that her parents went through hell and high water to get her safely to the U.S. Her mother explained: "I would rather die under the bombs of freedom than to have my neck slit by the knife of tyranny," and that's what she told the spoiled LLLs.

Hmmm, maybe this is an October surprise, but before I use this as an argument with some of my dhimmi co-workers I am going to check up on it...

deep breathes now folks, 48 hour rule in effect

Agreed

John Kerry should change his name to Mr. Goodwrench

If you read the documents, you will be convinced that the Anti War movement was encouraged by NVN and VC. MSM will never cover or admit to this as it would mean that for the past 40 years, they have either been terribly duped or duplicitious in their conduct.

We need to get copies of this posted everywhere for all to read and judge for themselves.

JOHN KERRY NEEDS TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THIS TREASON!!!

I don't think that any "October Surprises" will swing significant numbers either way. Voters seem to entrenched, between those who think Bush is the man for the hour, and those who want him out so badly that they'll cut off their nose to spite their face.

It's all going to come down to turnout at the end of the day.

And I for one, am worried, that erry is going to pull it off. Florida still looks dicey, and Ohio could go either way.

and if he does pull it off, by 2008 he willprobably have made such a mess that it'll all be moot anyway.

I once heard Prager saying that most American Jews have abandoned Judaism for another religion: Liberalism. Kerry will sell Israel for bowl of red pottage to make France, and Arab police states happy.
What Liberal Jews don't seem to get, is that the enemy does not care a whit if they have abandoned Judaism, once israel is out of the way, they are next on the hit list.
It's about geneology, bot doctrine!

The media will not present this evidence and shock the nation for the simple reason that they agree with Kerry, they do not simply support him, they agree that ANYTHING can and should be done against America.

The media are lead by subtle minds, by political strategist who have been indoctrinated for tens of years by the commies during the Cold War, and now they indoctrinate the whole Country.

Bombshell.

Of course, no media will report it.

Damn. Is this the October Surprise?

/twilight zone theme music playing in background

If the Nixon White House knew all of this, why wasn't he charged back in the 70's? For the life of me I don't understand. The big "IF ONLY" they had charged him with treason, we wouldn't be dealing with this scumbag now.

This doesn't surprise me one degree..90 percent of Dems leadership has sold out America to their Enemy allies for years.. if they attack America the Dems will come.

#22 billhedrick 10/26/2004 08:04AM PST

Agree.

If this checks out, and Kerry wins, can the Republican majorities in the House and Senate use this as grounds for impeachment? Can the military vote "no confidence" in the CinC somehow?

Kerry & Edwards = JUDAS GOATS

#42

You are so correct.

Can you spell O C T O B E R S U R P R I S E?

About time the Rebublicans figure out how to do this, although they should have waited until Thursday night.

I still say Kerry will come out with the "Bush did Cocaine" story complete with testimony of witnesses and secure faxes from CBS.

There is no october surprise.

The People risk to elect the first Commie as President of the United States.
Whoever is not drinking the propaganda of the (commie) media knows this.

The problem is that for the first time ever the whole machine of the demonrats and of the media has supported a candidate who is not decent at all. In the past they have supported idots and fanatics (Carter, e.g.) but never a crazy subversive full of ideology and unable to talk three times without telling four lies.

Muah hahahahaha...

Not that I wish any ill on the Senator but...IF they are real, then I hope he gets the full force of the law directed at him.

Of course, let's all remember the documents "discovered" about Bush's service, shall we? Let's not be...hasty.

Ah, bless Karl Rove. I'm sure glad he's on my side. :)

To reiterate (much as I want this to be true and plastered everywhere) 48 hour rule. After all, why is this just coming out now? Someone's gotta have known of its existence.

What Liberal Jews don't seem to get, is that the enemy does not care a whit if they have abandoned Judaism, once israel is out of the way, they are next on the hit list.

I've heard it said that Nazi Germany was the first time Jews were killed because they were considered a race and not a religion. So I agree with you. A Jew who doesn't practice his religion is still a Jew to the Islmofacist.

#38 sportutegrl

It should be changed to a number, and the keys thrown away.he committed treason.

WND has a good article: Discovered papers:Hanoi directed Kerry:Recovered Vietnam documents 'smoking gun' researchers claim

And the MSM will not touch this with a barge poll.

#20 rosh 10/26/2004 08:02AM PST
OT Can I ask a silly q: Barack Obama's brother back in Kenya is named Malik. Is that just an African name or is it a Muslim name?

Sounds like it is derived from "Melech" which is Hebrew for "King" I know a few people around Israel with that as their last name, usually Sephardi Jews

John Kerry—the man who wants to be President of the United States—worked directly with the Communist North Vietnamese regime to bring about the defeat of the US in Vietnam

And you can count on his to work tirelessly with al-Zarqawi and other Islamists to bring about the defeat of the US in Iraq.

Drudge:

News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode...

Suprise Suprise Suprise...

C. BS... I said it this morning!!! The scum is rising...

Drudge Headline

News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode...

I've been told "This story isn't going away." Somehow I'm glad for that.

# 55 mommydoc

The article at wintersoldier.com has this first footnote:

Note 1: On October 22, 2004, Swift Veterans and POWs for Truth researchers Troy Jenkins and Tom Wyld located the two Vietnamese communist documents referenced above in the archives of the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech University, in the Douglas Pike Collection. Douglas Pike was a leading authority on the Vietnam War who collected over 2 million pages of original documents now archived at the Vietnam Center. James Reckner, Ph.D., Director of the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech, verifies that the documents in the Pike collection are original and authentic.]

Over two million pages of original documents... That's quite a lot, and quite a context. I think this story is going to have strong legs.

61bb

Will those scumbags at CBS ever learn???

I look for them to fold within the next two years due to their own stupidity!!!

I just sent this story and the links to Drudge.

bush's babe, jinx ;-)

He wasn't prosecuted because Fullbright protected him and enabled these trips. the MSM was behind his efforts because they hated Nixon and carter pardoned him with his general amnesty law and subsequent executive orders allowing the reveiw of other than honorable discharges...

This will not make any difference, unfortunately...

People, I can't stress enought the necessity of waiting this story out to see if it really has legs. It would not surprise me if it was true, but we are at a point in this where there are no guarantees. The 48 hours rule is definitely the way to approach this (for now).

It won't be a big story because the arteries of the MSM are clogged with former sixties "peace" activists who knew all along they were working for Hanoi and Moscow, Therefore, this is not news.

I wonder how Karl Rove penetrated the North Vietnamese gov't? That guy is so smart!

Say does any one remember the email and mailing addresses of any the MSM braodcast stations? I think I would like to mail them this. Anyone care to join me?

This story receives no attention from the MSM. Meanwhile, the Kerry campaign knows in advance that the MSM will make up stories to support their claims. The AP tips their hand with lines like this:

From AP News-
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Democratic candidate John Kerry accused President Bush on Tuesday of hiding bad decisions and raised the specter of bad news still to be revealed.

OT : Interesting Twist - via The Corner at NRO:

BOMB-GATE [Cliff May]
Sent to me by a source in the government: “The Iraqi explosives story is a fraud. These weapons were not there when US troops went to this site in 2003. The IAEA and its head, the anti-American Mohammed El Baradei, leaked a false letter on this issue to the media to embarrass the Bush administration. The US is trying to deny El Baradei a second term and we have been on his case for missing the Libyan nuclear weapons program and for weakness on the Iranian nuclear weapons program.”

(For the record, I don’t reveal my sources so if that means I end up sharing a cell at Sing-sing with Judy Miller, so be it.)

#45 moonsbreath 10/26/2004 08:12AM PST
If the Nixon White House knew all of this, why wasn't he charged back in the 70's? For the life of me I don't understand. The big "IF ONLY" they had charged him with treason, we wouldn't be dealing with this scumbag now.

True, but maybe we'd be dealing with somebody worse. Count your blessings. At least with this shithead, the answer should be obvious to everybody by election day.

[Link: www.vietnam.ttu.edu...]

Will gladly house anyone in the MSM who comes to Lubbock!

Double Post Alert

Slightly OT, America's own saboteur/enemy agent, the Muslim agent inside the IAEA

BOMB-GATE [Cliff May]
Sent to me by a source in the government: “The Iraqi explosives story is a fraud. These weapons were not there when US troops went to this site in 2003. The IAEA and its head, the anti-American Mohammed El Baradei, leaked a false letter on this issue to the media to embarrass the Bush administration. The US is trying to deny El Baradei a second term and we have been on his case for missing the Libyan nuclear weapons program and for weakness on the Iranian nuclear weapons program.”

(For the record, I don’t reveal my sources so if that means I end up sharing a cell at Sing-sing with Judy Miller, so be it.)

NRO "The Corner"

#19 bp sf -

In 1995 I had the priviledge to work along side four Vietnamese refugees. Nothing pissed them off more than mentioning to them , NorCal LLL style' "ooh, I'm so sorry what we did to your country".

As a group, their manners and demeanor are too kind to tell a hippie "fuck you moron", the look on their faces told all.
***
On my local news a month or so ago, I saw a large group of South Vietnamese people - from Orange County - angrily protesting John Kerry.

They hate that guy!!!

And they have a reason to.

#41 canadianconservative

It's all going to come down to turnout at the end of the day.

Pray for rain.

Makes one yearn for the days when Democrap Presidential candidates were "only" draft dodgers...

Gonna be a long four years if this peawit wins...

How do you spell SEDITION ?

#68 Daniel 10/26/2004 08:23AM PST

Agree. It needs to be verified due to its nature.

He held meetings with comrades on his HONEYMOON! These guys who marry for money are so romantic.

#53 Poitiers -Lepanto said:

The problem is that for the first time ever the whole machine of the demonrats and of the media has supported a candidate who is not decent at all. In the past they have supported idots and fanatics (Carter, e.g.) but never a crazy subversive full of ideology and unable to talk three times without telling four lies.

You hit it on the head... I remember back in 2000, after the Veep debate, the punditry, almost to a man, spoke of both men - and their prez candiates- as good decent men.

I have yet to hear anyone, even his supporters, refer to Kerry and Edwards as decent human beings.

The Mary Cheney incident, coupled with the way he treated Terayza at the third debate were really telling about what kind of person this is.

As for these docs, I hope they turn out to be authentic. Even so, I think Kerry has a very good chance of winning.
And if he does win, mark my words, he will find some crisis that he will use to "postpone" the 2008 elections... and I would not be the least bit surprised to see him turning over leading republicans from this administration over to the ICC in the Hague.

This, my friends, makes him a dirty stinking fucking commie—and I say that in the most serious, grew-up-during-the-Cold War, trained-to-kill-communists manner. It may make me sound old-fashioned and quaint, but I’ve been to communist and formerly-communist countries, and I firmly believe in the old aphorism “better dead than Red.” I’d sooner let Ralph Nader run the country than a communist sympathizer and collaborator. Nader is a lot of things, many of them bad, but “communist collaborator” is not among his short-comings.

John Kerry has lain with jackals. He is unfit to lead the free world. He may even be unfit to enjoy its freedoms and privileges.

Bush/Cheney '04. Let's keep the adults in charge.

OT

Let these words sink in for a minute:

"The Iraqi explosives story is a fraud.

Mohammed El Baradei, leaked a false letter on this issue to the media to embarrass the Bush administration."

These documents look like the real deal to me, but perhaps a little preemptive attempts at duplicating them (presumably, with unsuccessful results, as I really think these are legitimate) might be in order. Beat the whiners and forgers to the punch.

I'm going to send a link to the WND article to AP, Reuters, CNN, Fox, and BBC and ask to know why they aren't covering it. Then I will ask them if they are aware that the explosives story is over a year old.

Truly the Manchurian candidate.

I'm sure Dan Rather, Katie Couric and the NY Times will get to the bottom of this.

IT'S LIES LIES LIES - ALL LIES!!! JAMES CARVILLE HAS NO USE FOR THIS INFORMATION!

/pfft*

John Kerry fought for his country
Before he fought against it

Drudge just reported that cBS was set to run the missing weapons "story" on election eve. Does ANYONE believe these guys anymore?

#68 Daniel

Ok, give this 48 hours. But consider in other fake but accurate news Drudge reports CBS' 60 minutes planned to detonate the missing Iraqi ammo story on election eve. How's that for messing with our minds with no time for factchecking.

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

I sure hope Ashcroft follows up on this

NY Sun has got the story - Hanoi Approved of Role Played By Anti-War Vets

The two documents provide a glimpse of the favorable way the Viet Cong viewed the activities in which Mr. Kerry was involved. They are from many documents of a kind that were ordinarily sent to a unit called the Captured Document Exploitation Center at the United States Military Assistance Command, Vietnam, which was headquartered in Saigon. Documents like these that were sent to the center were immediately translated into English and processed for battlefield intelligence for targeting or operations as required, or filed.

Waaay OT- LLL Margret Cho on her absentee ballot experience

"There should be more information given on how to vote properly so that your ballot doesn't get tossed out. Maybe it is just that I am really stupid, but then many voters are most likely to be as dumb as me if not dumber, and in that case we should lower the bar for everyone."

Kerry shared the stage with Hubbard -- who recruited Kerry into the group -- during the Dewey Canyon III protest, and they appeared together on NBC's Meet the Press April 18, 1971. Hubbard's claimed to have been a transport pilot wounded in combat, but the Department of Defense released documents showing he was neither a pilot nor an officer and had never served in Vietnam.

#89

Based on what the Swifties saw...not so sure the first part of the flip-flop holds water.

Yeah, he was in-country...but what I want to know is how much time did he spend cowering behind the little wall in the wheel house.

How about...

He shirked fighting for his country before actively fighting against it.

:-)

I love shopping at Traitor John's:

The deli is divine...

...the wine selection very good...

...and they have a good selection of frozen goods...

What?

Oh, Trader Joe's

Never mind...

If sKerry is Hanoi's puppet...where do they put their hand? Wait...I don't want to know...

So SeeBS was going to run the now debunked missing explosives story on election eve, huh? Yessirree bob, I'm glad I used good sturdy materials on that firing squad wall of mine...NEXT!

No Mr. Rather, no cigarette for you...Those things'll kill ya...(grin)

give this 48 hours.

I think the news cycle this close to the election is down to minutes rather than hours (with apologies to Captain Kirk).

#75 Lurking Texasgal4bush

I'll bet they're being hammered with requests for info as we speak.

I AltaVista'd them (Tech), and sent an email to them, asking about the authenticity (before I saw your post). If my message doesn't get lost in the deluge, maybe I'll get a reply from them. I'll let you know if I hear anything from them.

I've been to Lubbock once (in July), and the weather was nice.

Malik is being sold as an arabic name, though I was unable to find it listed at any of the many Name-A-Muslim-Baby sites as an acceptable Muslim name. So?...

At that meeting, the VVAW considered and then rejected a plan to assassinate several pro-war U.S. Senators. Kerry is listed as present.

one thing with this bBomgate thing that's positive..it'll finally satisfy any doubts that the MSM are biased and that the U.N. has an anti-American agenda!!!

But some Michael Moore-black helicopter conspiracy clone still won't believe!!! Go figure...

(spit!)

I should have gotten a hat tip...oh well im glad its getting out...:)

Interesting note in the campaign schedule for today:

6:45 pm: Elizabeth Edwards holds a town hall discussion at Central High School, Flint, MI

Michael Moore claims to be from Flint (he actually grew up in an upper-class suburb). Wonder if Lizzie called him up first and asked where the best all-you-can-eat rib place was.

John Kerry has canceled ads in Colorado through Election Day. With one weekend poll showing the Democratic nominee narrowly ahead in Colorado, but others showing him trailing, his campaign pulled dozens of spots starting today.

Denver Post

Well, From what I've seen, WND is almost as far to the conservative right as the NYT is to the liberal left. I'm rather confident that it is more accurate than the Slimes.

But the fact that it is conservative, means nobody who doesn't already read conservative and/or anti-idiotarian blogs, or listens to Beck or Rush or Hannity (ie, someone who was already aware that kerry is a treasonous backstabbing opportunistic liar) will ever hear of this story.

WND or NRO or LGF could turn up home movies of kerry fellating Ho Chi Minh, and nobody whose sole source of information is the MSM (TV, radio, newspaper, websites) would ever know.

I think the news cycle this close to the election is down to minutes rather than hours (with apologies to Captain Kirk).

KHAAANNN!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

It is past time for a complete investigation of Kerry's activities during the Vietnam war. I can only hope (and pray) this happens.

If (when) found guilty of aiding the enemy he should pay the price for his actions, whether or not he is the president.

"He was best man at my wedding and I was best man at his," said Malik, who likes to point out that his younger brother's name is actually Barack Obama II, because their father was the original Barack Obama.

Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said. However, not all of his descendants are Muslim, Malik added. Barack is Christian.

BYLINE: TOM MALITI; Associated Press Writer

found on Lexis-Nexis

Bekeifnet.com has an interesting article that many Jews here in florida might be getting a clue about sKerry's behavior Click here for the article

#20 rosh

Malik is an attribute of Allah. There are some who believe that it should be prefixed Abdul-Malik, meaning the servant of Allah. However, Malik is also king or master in Swahili. In many African countries Malik, unprefixed, is a widely used name among Muslims.

From this site

Millions of Vietnamese & Cambodians paid for Kerry's treason with their lives.

Too bad they can't vote against him one time as Dem dead, udead, body doubles, phantoms and aliens routinely do. Edwards may be out there channeling voters as we speak.

LGFNOOB.

I can verify you deserve the hattip. I linked to this story hours ago from your post. So, Is there a statute of limitations for high treason?

And if Lizzy and Michael Moore are in Flint, they'll probably ride up to Frankenmuth for the all-you-can-eat chicken dinner at Zehnders.

Is there any possiblility that the possible existence of these documents is why CB.S. ran their TANG story, when they must have known their docs were fakes and would be quickly disproven? Then after everyone learns more about typefaces and kerning, etc than we ever wanted to know, get weary of the whole thing and any typewritten doc from the early 70's, and that war "so long ago"? And then we'll have to conclude that these are forgeries as well?
After all, we're hearing a lot of the "your guys do it, too!" theme.
That, anticipating these docs, average jane voter who's halfway paying attention to the radio/tv while shuttling little billy off to soccer practice will be underwhelmed by this story, hearing only "newly unearthed...Vietnam...Texas...etc", thereby ruining the impact of why this matters.
Maybe I need to see if my aluminum foil beret is on too tightly, but there's something that's too weird about this
election. I feel like i've slipped into the Twilight zone.
(imagining coastygirl conversing with the voices while pushing the shopping cart down Pike street, while the world passes by. "She used to be a your average mother and contributing member of society...")

#114 NuclearTinkerbell
Did you notice? I looked on Lexis-Nexis and found an AP story saying Obama's grandfather was Muslim but he is Christian. I'd guess Malik is a Muslim though.

OT--
If you live in Northern Virginia and have not yet seen "Stolen Honor," here is your chance.

Thursday at 7:30 PM "Stolen Honor" will be shown on Falls Church Cable, Cox and Starpower channel 12. Thanks to Right on Target and Ralph M. for showing this documentary.

#117 coastygirl

I imagine we'll hear something from Tech today regarding this story, and whether the docs are real or fake.

s & d man

we could have worded this better couldn't we

And with Bush there's no beating around the bush.

/;>0

Obama was born in Hawaii.

#117 Coast girl...I think that this was the demo plan all along even in designing JfK's convention speech exclusively around Viet Nam. Their plan was to a) destroy Bush service history, ala B Burkett and D Rather, and b) rewrite Kerry's. Else why his tiresome ranting about it?

But the strategy is about to blow up in their faces.

KERRY is a filthy traitor and ought to be rotting in jail. Please consider supporting the SBV

October surprise?

Except, is anyone actually surprised by this?

Sounds to me like Obama has emerged as the 2008 Dumbocrud front-runner... So much for Hildebeest.

95

Necklace

I recall reading Margaret Cho had several addictions in the past, She apparently abused alcohol heavily, and also a "sex addict" sleeping with dozens of people, male and female.

How come I never ran into a woman like that when I was single.

/just a joke, but its ok, my wife doesn't read this, I think

From "Unfit for Command" pg 118

Admiral Jeremiah Denton and many other POWs never forgot the North Vietnamese attempt to use "war crimes" claims from their own fellow veterans, led by Kerry, against them. Ron Bliss, a POW for five years, has spent thirty years trying to forget the small cells with a single speaker and his sense of betrayal and loneliness resulting from the claims of the North Vietnamese jailers that his military "comrades" in the VVAW had testified to his alleged guilt.

Many more POWs had to pay with their life.

How can the MSM promote this barbarian?

Note at the end of the Winter Soldier web story:

[Note 1: On October 22, 2004, Swift Veterans and POWs for Truth researchers Troy Jenkins and Tom Wyld located the two Vietnamese communist documents referenced above in the archives of the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech University, in the Douglas Pike Collection. Douglas Pike was a leading authority on the Vietnam War who collected over 2 million pages of original documents now archived at the Vietnam Center. James Reckner, Ph.D., Director of the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech, verifies that the documents in the Pike collection are original and authentic.]

Remember just how breathlessly excited the MSM was in the days before the 2000 election when (gasp!) GWB got a DUI?

Find out that Traitor-John really is an actual G-d TRAITOR and they say nothing.

No, they aren't BIASED or anything like that.

/Sarcasm

Kerrys youthful indescretions make those of Charlie Manson rather insignificant in comparisom. How many thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Vietnamese died as a result of the activities of Kerry and those of his ilk? How many millions of Americans could die if he were to be elected? America is at a crossroads as never before in history and I trust that the character that has made this country great will come through. The alternative is too terrible to contemplate.

#125 canadianconservative

Sounds to me like Obama has emerged as the 2008 Dumbocrud front-runner... So much for Hildebeest.

Yah I just got to thinking about that. His grandfather Onyango Hussein Obama would be proud.

#130

And fully HALF the country can't even see it OMG!

127 CDBcbdme

How can the MSM promote this barbarian?

That's a no-brainer... He is Not George Bush. He supports abortion on demand at all stages in the pregnancy. His is the most pro-gay Presidential ticket ever. He has stated that he believes any military action not sanctioned by the UN is not worth dying for.

Most MSM types believe that. The writing was on the wall long ago. I still rememberthe Concordia campus newspaper. In terms of content, not much different from the MSM papers today, only less refined.

#95 Necklace of shoes
OT "...many voters are most likely to be as dumb as me if not dumber, and in that case we should lower the bar for everyone."
Speak for yourself Margie Cho! I'd like to slap her silly. Maybe I should be able to get my 3-legged cat to vote too, while we're at it.
I am amazed and disgusted beyond belief at the cheapening of our freedoms that those before us paid so dearly for. And would they say we deserved it if they could see now...

#127

I remember running across Ron Bliss (an attorney) when I worked for a law firm here in Houston --- He was a POW for 7 years. He's the patriot, and Kerry's the scumbag.

#135

oops, typo, I meant 5 years...

#133 Canadianconservative

That's a no-brainer... He is Not George Bush. He supports abortion on demand at all stages in the pregnancy. His is the most pro-gay Presidential ticket ever. He has stated that he believes any military action not sanctioned by the UN is not worth dying for.

It feels like we're in BizarroWorld...

I think that by the end of the day we'll know whether these docs are real or fake.

#138 traveller:

Whenever I mention my concerns over a possible, even likely Kerry win, I keep on being told..."Oh.. It won't be so bad".

There are none so blind as those who won't see.

#132, Vet_Missing_ Parts---. My tolerance for trolls and the LLL is about to end. There is no reason to suffer their lunacy, it is like ignoring the sounds of a person breaking into your home with rape, robery, or murder on their mind. What is there to discuss with them? Their favorite gun or emergency room?

I'm still waiting for some Nodrog snark...

baahaha. #3 Johnny Johnny Johnny. Did you film the meetings with your super-8? =)

Most of you have prolly seen this but... I just crack up every time at this ad by the guy who did Airplane & the Naked Gun:

Anti-John Kerry ad (really funny)...

Kerrys youthful indescretions make those of Charlie Manson rather insignificant in comparisom.

Thanks gymnast. I can't get "Helter Skelter" off my wetware mp3 player now!

How's this for a bumper sticker? Kerry lied; American soldiers, Vietnamese,and Cambodians died.

#140 Canadianconservative

Whenever I mention my concerns over a possible, even likely Kerry win, I keep on being told..."Oh.. It won't be so bad".

I know! I've posted this before, but if Kerry wins, as far as terrorists are concerned, the U.S. will be like Filene's Basement the day after Thanksgiving...

The Sleepers will be given their signals to advance their plots and the war will be brought to our doors.

#141 Gymnast

Fear not...all will be well in the end.

Just drive everyone you can find to the polls so we out number those half-wits.

#135 traveler
You must have been at F & J...when?

#135 traveler

Also, you're right it was almost seven years. I was quoting from the book which says five.

#123 N.A.PALM
I agree! The swiftboat vets are true patriots and heroes. It should be John O'Neill running for office, not that damn dirty slimy traitor Lurch.
I'm sorry, I should've been more clear in saying that it was this election season that was creeping me out.

Perhaps I can get some help from some of you lawyers out there so I can better understand certain aspects of this story.

For the moment, let's assume the story is true. That being the case, was Kerry guilty of any crime? If so, is there a statue of limitations here? If not, how close did Kerry come to break law?

Since I'm a legal incompetent, I will appreciate your input . . . provided it's free of course. Thanks.

#149

Yes! 1980. Long time ago --- but I remember Ron Bliss' dignified presence. A co-worker told me of his service -- Unlike Kerry, he never mentioned it.

Were you at F&J?

#153

Ron Bliss still has a dignified presence.

My husband is at F&J. Joined in '89 in Houston office moved to DC office in '01.

Have you seen the movie "Return with Honor" It is a documentary about Bliss and about 20 other pilots who were held at the Hanoi Hilton. Very powerful, very moving.

Don't forget:

Kerry is a traitor

Cleland is a traitor

McCain is loonie

O'Neill is bitter

Clarke was responsible for 9/11

Or, Clarke was trying to sell books

Woodward got it wrong

Edwards is scum because he used the word lesbian

The French suck

The Germans suck

Liberals are ruining our great nation

People who criticize Republicans are aiding and abetting our foes

Oh,

And did I mention that Kerry, the man running for President of the United States who was awarded medals for his valor in Vietnam and who had the courage to speak out about a war that McNamara himself said was a mistake, is a traitor?

#150

I heard 7 years back then. I just assumed the book had it right and I heard it wrong. Must be 7, then.

Hey everyone,

Just a few more days and hanoi john the traitor wil have exhausted his 15 minutes of fame, he along with all of the other moonbats are in the tank!

#153

Thanks for the update! Glad to hear Bliss is still walking tall. Every time he walked by I was picturing him in a vietnamese prison for 7 long years...I still can't wrap my mind around it.

Thanks, too for the documentary Return with Honor --- No, I had not heard of it. I'll check Netflix and see if I can get it.

How do you like DC? It's hot here in Houston, so be glad you're in a cooler clime...

Brickas..

Kerry was awarded medals for valor...by the same Government that approved a visa to Mohammed Atta months after 9/11. Don't hang your hat on JFinK's medals. Until he releases his military records to prove how he got them, I'll just have to assume he lied to get them just like he's lied about everything since.

Really, you need some fresh material.

#155 Brickhead

courage to speak out

When being coached by the enemy=treason.

# 102
Ward I emailed the story to a close family member who is employed at Texas Tech.

I will keep you posted when I hear something.

Weather in Lubbock is nice, semi-arid and we do have 4 seasons, just wished we had some hills!

A must-read posting at BlogsOfWar on these Kerry documents, including some exclusive reporting of their own:

[Link: www.blogsofwar.com...]

An excerpt:

I just got off the phone with Steven Maxner, Director of the Vietnam Archive, and he answered a few questions for me.

Has any member of the mainstream media contacted the Vietnam Archive in relation to this story?

No. Not the New York Times, the Washington Post or any other major newspaper

Have you personally seen the documents in question?

Yes I have

Can you vouch for the authenticity of the reports?

Of course. These documents came from the the Douglas Pike Archive. Douglas Pike worked for the State Department and these documents came from our intelligence.

Americans & honorable people tried to deliver Vietnam from horrible communism, just as we are now trying to get Iraqis to break with a death cult, and the Dems are again on the side of mass murderers, gulag architects and death cult enablers, plus their funders.

Our founding fathers would not recognize Kerryites as Americans but as the tyrants they fought against in our Revolutionary War.

We need a new birth of freedom as Lincoln & Bush say. That's where lies the future.

May the others end up on the ash heap of history, along with Saddam H.

all I get from my LL friends when I say "Kerry should be in jail" is that is rediculous.

#71 frankwolftown
I found this email list at freerepublic
email list
hope that helps :)

162 William

Thanks for the link.. This story might be too hot to touch for most news agencies. Their excuse will be that the docs must be fully authenticated before a story can air. So wait a few months while the NYTimes checks them out.

It is inevitable that if at all, these documents will be mentioned in the same breath as the CBS TANG documents in order to lead the sheep into lumping them together as more election-year forgeries.

Kerry = Traitor

CNN just had a live feed from the Pentagon correspondent (Barbara Star?) and after she got through with it, I didn't know what the hell was going on. She seemed to be trying to keep it alive for Kerry...

HE won't answer questions from O'Reilly, nor even from Bob Woodward.

How can anyone think of voting for someone who will not answer questions?

Why does the MSM support someone who won't answer questions from one of their own? (Woodward)

Sounds to me like we are headed for an administration that does not feel bound to accountability.

That is more dangerous than even an incompetent pollyanna like Carter!

#161 Lurking TexasGirl4Bush

I lived in Lubbock from 1984 to 1987. I always thought it was funny that the storehouse of captured Vietnam documents was located at Texas Tech, home of the RED RAIDERS.

I was in high school then. Maybe we met?

There are 2.5 million Vietnam Vets out there, give or take, and approximately 96% of them are going to vote for GWB, from what I've been hearing from fellow Vets, like I said hanoi john the traitor days are over! We will get justification finally, we don't want accolades or parades, just silent justification.

What is the 48 hour rule? Is this a real rule or just one of the unwritten rules that the Dems love to break, like the rule against holding a press conference when your opponent is accepting his party's nomination during the convention?

#155 Ass

Your facts are pretty much correct, now you must learn to think, that will take you another fifty or sixty years, be patient.

And take the pills that the nurse brings you.

OMG! Just got online and what do I read!
My husband is at the VA today, and he's not heard about this yet. I'm almost afraid to tell him!
This just makes me sick. :(

#170 Nam Grunt

2.5 million Vietnam veterans x 2.2 family members average x 2 seventeen-year generation leaps = 11 million anti-Kerry votes.

3 million current US service personnel x 76% Bush approval rating x 2.2 average family members = 5+ million votes for Bush.

Kerry had over 16 million voters against him the day he tossed his hat in the ring.

Now multiply that by all the word-of-mouth these 16 million anti-Kerry activists have spread.

Screw the polling. Bush has a landslide victory party to plan.

IThe following letter appeared in Sunday's Philly Inquirer, Home of the 21 days of Kerry Propaganda. Its the third letter down:

It's payback time

All your shilling for John Kerry will not stop President Bush from being elected by 8 to 10 percentage points due to one big factor. We Vietnam-era veterans have been waiting for more than 30 years to extract payback from Kerry. Now we have our chance. He is not fit to be commander-in-chief, and we vets who remember how he turned his back on us will not let that happen.

Mr. Kerry, it is payback time.
J. E. Dees
Philadelphia
jdeessr@aol.com

Philly Inquirer Sunday Letters to Editor

Pray for rain/snow on Nov 2, these guys will come out and vote in a hurricane.

#162 - that's being corroborated by Wizbang blog, which then refers to inthebullpen.

#174 Mr. Beamish,

I love your numbers, but then I felt that way all along, Love your Country and vote for Dubya.

#170 Nam Grunt

There are 2.5 million Vietnam Vets out there, give or take, and approximately 96% of them are going to vote for GWB,

Except maybe the Jewish vets. Despite the Dems' affinity for anti-semites, 70-80% of American Jews seem willing to ignore their party's shameful record.

OT - Anyone in/near San Antonio, TX: How about a meet up?

I'm thinking Wed, 3 Nov, in celebration.

EMAIL ME!

#178 Jeeves,

In all of my years talking to 'Nam Vets I have never met not one that didn't have praise for the Israeli people...just sayin'. We liken ourselves to their struggle, against hate and animosity.

Mich-Again,

I'd like to get new material but I find it incredible that people are accusing this man of treason.

I'm sorry, but this is off the deep end. Come back to the middle, people, this kind of stuff might get people fired up, but it is way out there and ultimately harms us all.

#181 Brickas,

Sooo you are saying that this was a "mistake of hanoi john's youth" then why didn't all of us join him in his "treason", uh, uh, not buying it, I was on my 2nd tour in combat, when he made those statements, and that Sir is treason in my estimation!

What I don't understand is why anyone who complains and accuses is automatically given credit for "courage". To "speak out" seems to be confined to disagreement. "Truth" is defined as accusation.
Since the protest mania in the 60's, protesting, complaining and accusing is the only way to JOIN the herd.
Today if a person ISN'T blaming a scapegoat or aligning proudly with a demographic group, in fact THAT'S courage. Like a bunch of teenage drama queens, if one isn't moaning about misery and oppression, they must be "blind" or "brainwashed".
For example, the only "patriots" in Iraq are assumed to be the ones shooting their neighbors and destroying the infrstructure. Never mind the thousands who keep lining up to join the IDF, as soon as they clean up the damage from the last suicide bomb.
So Kerry protested. BFD how he chose to do it, or what lengths he went to to force his viewpoint, by God, he's a "hero" and a "patriot" just because he put on a good show!
What kind of shallow mind sees nothing, no validity, beyond whoever is displaying the most extreme behavior?
That felt better.

#180 Nam Grunt

In all of my years talking to 'Nam Vets I have never met not one that didn't have praise for the Israeli people...just sayin'

And I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Just using your stats re the presidential preference of Vietnam vets as a peg on which to hang the really disturbing fact that though anti-semitism has become a staple of the Left, the vast majority of American Jews seem to remain in denial. Who can explain this? "Pas d'enemies a gauche" i is too facile, as is citing a long history of allegiance to Leftist causes, or growing secularism.. There's got to be a better explanation for why American Jews, in large numbers, refuse to recognize an existential threat to Israel.

THE FIRST DOCUMENT:
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THE SECOND DOCUMENT:
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THE F.B.I. DOCUMENT:
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THE APPEALS LETTER:
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Treason is Death ~

#187 song_and_dance_man,

Hi buddy, hope you are well today, to answer your post, I thought there weren't any WMD's in Iraq, he is such a POS and lying SOB, a very large poseur!

It is beyond all human logic why any loyal citizen with an iota of self respect, would even nominate this treasonous BASTARD for POTUS...some thing smells in MASSATOOSHITS.

#189 starboardside,

Simple the L3 moonbats are not loyal citizens, they are anarchists!!!

definition of the term "Treason"

trea·son ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trzn)n.1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies

OK . . .I'll admit that I have no legal knowledge of how one gets charged with treason. . . but please . . .especially during a time which our country is at war . . .

WILL SOMEONE KINDLY INFORM "WHY" KERRY AND MOORE HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH TREASON YET???

All of this is too close to home. Just had a big blow up with my mom yesterday, she just had to say how stupid Bush is and it was one time too many. I laid it out for her- the whole history of Kerry's treason, all the lies he told about the atrocities in Viet Nam, and everything. How my husband, who has two purple Hearts (real ones) and has to live with the pain everyday, was treated when he came home - everything. She said Kerry just wanted the war to end, Jane Fonda didn't want the VC to win (how could I say such an outrageous thing) the soldiers couldn't help committing those horrible atrocities because they were put in such an awful situation (any war) etc.

So she believes that the soldiers in Viet Nam did the things Kerry said, or at least Kerry believed they did. It ended with her saying she wanted to see Michael Moore's movie again.
This can't be repaired.

#191 Justamom

Lawhawk may have said there's no statute of limitation on treason weeks ago.

But someone else noted today that Jimmy Carter forgave many who might have been prosecuted for treason such as JFKerry, for his honeymoon trysts with Madame VietCong while still in our military.

If true, no wonder Jimmy Carter & Michael Moore sat in the presidential box beaming down on their pet Kerry--they gave him a new life as someone who "reported for duty" wink wink nod nod.

192 brakes

oh that's sad to hear.
but many of us have former friends over this...
and some have relatives who have gone over to the dark side.

be not troubled.
pray and hang in there...
there will come a day!

brakes #192

It's time for you to walk away from her. Don't stop loving her, and don't stop respecting her station as your mom.
But, just remember, if Kerry is elected because of the wilful blindness of people like her she can carry the consequences too.
You won't have to remind her of her decision when the killing starts here.

193
i don't think that carter's pardon covered treason... but that would require some research.
if it did... there's no undoing a presidential pardon.

#106 LGFNOOB
I should have gotten a hat tip...oh well im glad its getting out...:)

#116 mich-again
LGFNOOB.
I can verify you deserve the hattip. I linked to this story hours ago from your post.

Sorry, guys. You were scooped by many hours, LGFNOOB.

The very first person to point out this story was TheBurbs at 10:14pm yesterday:

#223 TheBurbs  10/25/2004 10:14PM PST
OT - See article about the steering of Kerry by North Vietnam:
ht tp://ww w.worldnetd...

I was the first person to post the full range of sources:

#370 zombie  10/26/2004 02:27AM PST
To keep everybody up-to-date on this story -- which OUGHT to be the breaking story of the moment -- here are all the relevant links (most of which have not yet been posted here)

You didn't post it until 7 hours after TheBurbs and 3 hours after me:
#425 LGFNOOB  10/26/2004 05:15AM PST
OT!!
Hanoi Kerry??...yepp sure nuff!!

Sorry to be nitpicky. As a "noob," you need to be careful before claiming things. Besides, as discussed before, Charles is too busy to track down who deserves hat tips for what. He is barraged by emails and links all day, and often it's just not possible to sort out where he learned of something first. I see many unacknowledged hat tips on LGF every day -- I'll read an OT post by some lizardoid, and later it will become a LGF thread with no hat tip. We've got to leave Charles some breathing room!

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THE F.B.I. DOCUMENT:
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THE APPEALS LETTER:
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Kerry's just a maggot-filled punk, opportunistic tratior- bastard. Just that simple. He doesn't deserve to breathe the free air in this country.

#172 Poitiers-Lepanto

LOL!!!

sgt tom

Thanks. Right now, I can't see mush hope, but I won't forget to pray.

Back in the '70s my best friend married a war protester, and it caused a coolness between us. He called my brother, who is a cop, a pig - and vets, baby killers. We didn't see eachother for a few years because she moved to another state, and then she died. It still hurts that there was this distance between us over the war.

#181 Brickas

find it incredible that people are accusing this man of treason.

Excuse my incredulous reaction, but where the Hell have you been? This is quite possibly the most outrageous claim I've EVER heard, if you are being sincere. BTW I'm sure you're aware that Ashlee Simpson got caught flubbing on live TV so perhaps that's perhaps why you seem to be out of the loop.
WTF???

Get out the vote! Volunteer for the 72-hour effort!

"A candidate's GOTV efforts can be the key to victory, and a bad effort is an easy way to blow a lead and lose an election. "When elections are close, people always credit an effective ground game with between one and three points," says Teresa Vilmain, a key player in Democratic efforts to bring their base vote to the polls.
...
"Republicans responded to the challenge in 2001 by creating a 72-hour task force to measure the impact of increased grassroots efforts in elections in Virginia and New Jersey. The results led the party to adopt a rule that no state party would receive funds if it did not develop a permanent 72-hour effort. In 2002, such efforts were credited with winning control of the U.S. Senate back for the Republicans. "Shoe-leather politics were a major factor in winning the recall campaign for Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2003," says Ron Nehring, who has revitalized San Diego's Republican Party with the creation of volunteer armies."

quark2

Yeah, I'll still shop for her groceries for her cause she's getting pretty old, but I really need a break from her.

hanoi john is a TRAITOR!, no mantter how anyone spins it, and come Nov. 3 he will still be a TRAITOR to our Country and a liar, "For those that have fought for it, Life has a flavor, the protected will never know", my life is good, because I fought for my freedom! Yours too my friends!

#192 brakes
OT
Your post made me feel sad; it is so difficult when family members are political opposites.
My brother is a Kerry supporter and for awhile there I was throwing out little tidbits against Lurch but he would never respond. I quit doing it as I realized it is better to have peace in the family and neither of us will change our minds. Hope you can do this too...

202 Coastygirl,

Of course I'm being sincere.

You want to talk treason? How about disappearing for an undisclosed amount of time during your SOFT military serrvice? Should we be talking about how people who go AWOL in time of war are shot?

Did that sound preposterous and over the top and like I'm nuts to you? Did that sound like I was swallowing what the Lefty media wanted me to swallow? I'm sure it did, to you.

That's what the rantings in here about Kerry being treasonous sound like. Sorry.

182 Nam Grunt,

He spoke out while you were on a tour of duty to try to get you out of there. If you have a beef with the support you got while in Vietnam, you should take it up with the leadership of the country at that time. Take it up with McNamara. Take it up with remaining Nixon Administratin members. If people spoke out against a bad war where we should not have been in the first place, they were doing all of you and all of us a great service.

You can't fight a war that people consider illegitimate, and you can't fight it when your leadership doesn't provide you with the tools necessary to win. Speaking out against the lack of leadership, against the lack of tools, against the injustice of the war, against its poor effectiveness, about the immoral behavior it foisted upon our troops - no matter how well meaning they were, and against the reasons given for perpetuating the war, is a moral and courageous thing to do. It also helps to create the political courage necessary to leave, even if it means walking away with a little less pride than before.

183 Gambisin,

You don't understand how it's brave to speak out? Why not consider that it was probably Nixon himself who engaged O'Neill to go after Kerry because he felt it was important enough not to have somebody bad-mouth the war effort. Think about that - the President of the US. There were some very powerful forces in this country who wanted the war to continue. Kerry had the courage to speak out anyway.

Just think about how the current war effort is faltering, and instead of acknowledging mistakes and weaknesses, the current Administration simply attacks anybody who speaks against its policies. See what happened to Clarke and Paul O'Neil when they dared to speak out?

Kerry was brave in war and was brave after. You don't like him? Fine. You don't like that he spoke out against the war? Fine. You don't want him elected? Fine. But let's cut out the treason crap.

You mean there are STILL people repeating the old canard of AWOL? Sheesh, that is some desperation!

I don't think in the most extreme manner can the allegation of being awol compare to aiding and abetting the enemy.
And when did the war in Iraq become faltering?
Is this poster living in a parallel universe?

#207 Brickas,

You are seeing a team of psychiatrists aren't you? You sir are an idiot!

Kerry sold us out in Vietnam and is doing the same thing in Iraq. He is providing comfort to the terrorists. Post 9/11 this country thought as one, but that wouldn't get a democrat elected. So the idea is to divide the nation. The means don't matter just get the job done. Lies, deceit, half truths and the complicity of the MSM have almost done the job. The economy is said to be in trouble, but the facts show the opposite. Iraq is said to be a mess, but the facts show the opposite. Jonh Kerry and his band of cut throats will do or say anything to mislead Americans to vote for him. The CBS issues (both) are evidance of how bad it really is with the interpretation of the 'news'. I would like to see a real effort made to force Kerry to reveal his military documents. No disclosure, no vote. I'd bet the bastard was dishonorably discharged. I'd also like to see him charged with treason. You folks in Massachusetts should be ashamed to support this traitor.

#207 Brickas

Probably Treason, say I. Certainly sedition. He met with and negotiated with representatives of a government which had soldiers in the field shooting at our men and which held our men as POWs. This enemy insisted our men were "war criminals" who were not entitled to protection under the Geneva Conventions based partly on Kerry's testimony in the Senate. Kerry then took their proposals and presented them here as a "peace plan." Said "plan" included our unilateral withdrawl and abandonment of the POWs (IIRC, I may not on the POW point).

I was a GI in the 1970s. I remember how it was not safe for a GI in many places because the people who believed Kerry's testimony thought of us as ALL being "Baby Killers." THAT was Kerry's doing, much more than Jane's.

And I posted two articles (HERE and HERE) discussing the plot to assassinate US Senators that Kerry VOTED on. (Oh, he voted "nay?" So WHAT? He didn't report the plot!)

So -- cut out that "cut out that treason crap."

I'm Dutch and I have no right to meddle in your election but even I feel nauseous that Kerry might be elected.

When I tell people over here about the actions of the esteemed Mr. Kerry they only say:
'So what, he only tried to end the war'.
But he sold his country out to the VC! POW's and MIA's suffered because of it.
'The US had no business being there in the first place'.
But communism brought nothing but misery
'That's your opinion'.
But what about the boat refugees, the labor and re-education camps and the 2 million people that died in Cambodia because of the Americans pulling out?
'That's because of the US's bombing campaigns''.

It boils down to this: for 9 out of 10 people over here so-called equality and a 'caring' state trumps freedom and justice no matter what. Treason doesn't matter anymore. Perhaps it's the same for 5 out of 10 of US citizens. Otherwise I can't explain the polls. Of course I hope I underestimate the American people! I'll see Nov. 2nd.

Have you heard of this? I didn't find it on this site yet. It seems to work:

[Link: www2.swiftvets.com...]

and then this:

[Link: www.notjohnkerry2004.com...]

Download the flyer and distribute it.

Grunt

i've said to you before, however it's worth a replay. Thank you for your service, I know it feels like being 'spit on again' but don't let brick ass get your goat. the guy is a demoncrap shrill and he just isn't worth your valuable time and thought.

Just so's you know, what the MSM is reporting is this:

AP: New Bush Guard Papers Leave Questions. It's appearing on the websites of dozens of newpapers across the country.

My first post, so pardon me if I'm OT or worse, tenth on the list to point this out.

dusty...

I know and thanks for your post buddy, it just riles me when uninformed people that were never in combat, fighting for this Great Country, don't realize how much a poseur and POS hanoi john the traitor is. Those individuals are lost moonbats.

Not to whine--or maybe yes, to whine--but regardless of one's political persuasion any person would have a hard time reconciling MLM's blanket coverage of a possible problem with Bush's military record as well as its blanket ignorance of Kerry's possible communist links with anything that would pass for fairness.

No sane and/or reasonable adult can seriously assert that the possibility that Bush missed a few National Guard dates is morally and ethically equivalent to Kerry's possible "aiding and comforting" the enemy.

And yes, I understand the 48 hour rule. Note that I call both of the above actions "possible."

Brickas,
I realized the other day that both "left" and "right" truly believe that their views are the genuinely for the best intentions of mankind, but that the break in in how to go about implementing them.
What you write is fair enough since you're sincere.
Fine. You vote for your candidate, and I'll vote for mine.
But I will NOT knock off the traitor crap because that is the truth.

(not directed at you, Brick) OT
And NOBODY had better try to stop me from exercising MY right to vote or there will be hell to pay. I'm small but I can be Loud if I have to be.

215 nam grunt
hey buddy!
look at this way... you didn't have to petition to get your discharge upgraded either!

#218 sgt tom,

You are correct, I actually earned my discharge, along with my medals, but there is no need to brag about them, that's personal, because there were friends that died (good friends), and I speak for them!!

#217 coastygirl,

You go darlin, kick their moonbat ass!

Apologies if this has already been posted but the newest story fits in well with this story fron NAt'l Review"

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Nam my friend,

It's not just the combat vets who get it. You can't have worn a uniform in service to this country and not see the man as he is.

181# Brickas

Tokyo Rose went to jail for her shilling for the enemy and she had a gun to her head.

brikas,

Enough about blaming everyone else for Viet Nam. What did you do sir?

Bob, my friend,

I concur with you wholeheartedly, it's not just combat Vets, it's all of us that believe in our Country and are proud for the job we did, as you did. thanks for being a great patriot.

It has become clear that the enemy used the work of Kerry and his Vietnam Veterans Against the War for its own purposes. So clearly Kerry and his Vietnam Veterans Against the War gave aid and comfort to the enemy.

The public needs to be aware of this, especially since Kerry has almost deleted most of his resume, and made his role before he started his political career the main reason why he wants to be president. In his speech at the Democrats' convention, Kerry did not say anything at all about any accomplishments during his 20 years as a Senator. So that's an almost missing part of his resume, with nothing notable to speak of.

His entire 20 years as a Senator is pretty much a big zero, except for his voting to disempower the US by voting against funding for defense and by voting against funding for intelligence.

So the public should know about the main part of his resume: his actions as a puppet of Hanoi, and his giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

After all, Kerry only complains about his rival, President Bush, and offers no clear idea about what he would do differently on the important issue of fighting the war in Iraq. He says in effect: trust me. So it's important to study his background to find out if we should really trust him.

Can we get two geese with one shot? Since Kerry has so much experience "negotiating" with the other side, perhaps we can drop him off in Falleja so he can have a looong talk with the terrorists there.

Nam,

Thank you most humbly, but as we would acknowledge when I served: I'm not worthy to polish your boots. The d!ckheads that pretend to talk for the troops, "oh, he was just trying to get you out of Viet Nam." The flip side is I have a neighbor that was one of the original boat people. She's Vietnamese for you nuanced types. She became a refugee because of a$$hats like brick@$$. It just pisses me off someting fierce to read the unadulterated crap that moonbats spew.

rant off

@220

I just read your link. I wish Charles would make that a thread.
I also hope that whatever links Kerry has/had with not only VietNam, but the communists will be revealed before the fact (election) than after the fact.
It's all to easy to see now we could soon have a traitor as our CiC and president. And if all of this dirt comes out afterwards and then we find out he was given amnesty by Carter what in the hell can we do about it?

I guess we'll have a hard road to hoe for 4 years.

quark2,

Thanks. I found it very interesting at the time and have it bookmarked. After all if it walks like a duck...

"I guess we'll have a hard road to hoe for 4 years"

or

we'll have a hard ho to ride for four years.

Sorry, brukass has me in a dark place.

I live in a largely Vietnamese-American neighborhood in South Philadelphia where the residents have been campaigning tirelessy on behalf of the President. I went into a strip mall to eat and some cute young ladies were registering voters for Bush. In front of me a typical ironic-looking hipper than thou white douchebag walked by and made an audible "Pfff!! Bush Cheney??!!" I wanted to throttle this moronic Belle and Sebastian fan club president, but hey there's no point here in Philly where Notbush is probably going to take 85% of the vote anyway.

Bob,

Please don't put me on a pedestal, you were the same Veteran that I am, I love my Country, glad that I was able to do something in it's defense, and DAMN PROUD TO BE A 'NAM VET!!!

Nam,

You and your brothers in arms my friend. You can thank a couple of DI's for instilling in us the respect combat vets deserve.

Good God. Why is this not the top news item on all the newscasts and radio talk shows I'm listening to? Is it a quarantine to make sure the information is correct? Kerry's organization was 100% aligned with the desires of the VC during the war while Kerry was an influential figure in the group? There are statements implying that Kerry may have implemented policies of an enemy of the United States during war that were designed to undermine the war effort? Not even the conservative talk show hosts are touching this story. Why?

I'll be damned. I never expected to see my school mentioned here. It's almost like an honor.

All that I can say is: well done, Red Raiders. Exposing Kerry as the sham he is, is a worthy Techsan enterprise. I know a professor who is strongly involved with the Vietnam Center, so I'll be sure to mention this to him.

I've been gone all day and haven't been able to contribute to this thread but early on in the campaigns, back in March when Kerry first won the primaries and it was obvious he would be the next presidential candidate, opposite George W. Bush, as the first information started to surface of his record in Vietnam, I made a post somewhere on LGF (I was searching for it but can't find it now) that he might possibly be a 'Manchurian Candidate'. It seems now that in a strange way Kerry is the Manchurian Candidate and even if it's not by design, his long ago contacts may still be operative. The left would not give up so juicy a prize as a US Senator who'd once visited Madame Nguyen Thai in Paris that easily. Oh, no---they'd have kept track of him and made any candidacy perilous unless they wanted him to get in. Though it's not the Red Communist threat of China we need to fear these days, they have allied themselves with Tehran and will aid the mullahs in any conflict between them and the US.

Kerry tends to badmouth our allies, and tends to have a fondness for the enemy, or at least to trust the enemy.

He called the coalition of our partners "coerced" and "bribed", and ridiculed the prime minister of free Iraq, calling him a liar and implying he was a puppet of the US.

He reserves his trust for Iran.
Appeasement of Iran, by Joseph Farah
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

#220 Bob's link IS amazing.
Just how many enemies are controlling Kerry's strings, past or present?
What single good thing HAS he contributed to this country? There's so much crap there that there's not enough hours in the day to follow it all!
One lesson I hope will be learned is any current "turncoats"* will be nipped in the bud before they decide to follow in his footsteps by building their political careers with our soldiers blood.

*except I am beginning to doubt Kerry ever had any loyalty to America.

Look at Kerry's face!

Can you trust such a face? I can't. I see the face of an experienced con-man looking around to gauge how his latest whopper is faring with the audience.

It's all etched into that face: carefully expressionless, disconnected from whatever he's saying, with the "appropriate" emotion to follow -- after considering the mood of those listening.

Does anybody think I'm wrong?

#192

I to had a talk with my Mom a couple days ago. She, sorry not she, two of my brother put up a kick Bush out sign on her front lawn, not one of those small signs eather[ 4'x8']. She is one to keep quiet and did not tell them to take it down {she lives in Massachusetts} After I spoke with her she told me not to worry about her vote she would do the right thing and is going to vote for Bush.

Thank you MOM. I love you.

In a broadcast today, an ad by Kerry had him talking about the way we almost went into Iraq alone. It looks as though he's baiting our allies into walking out if he's elected.. That way he can use it as justification to betray the Iraqis by pulling out our troops early.
That lightning would strike this man!

Kerry is a veteran alright, a veteran liar.
He's never done anything in his adult life that did not have an agenda tied to it. Nothing!
What is truly troublesome is he has yet to apologize for any faux pas, lie or treachery that he's been verifiably caught in. He never blinks, wavers or backsup from his duplicity.
Being in charge of the nation is not a good thing for any of us.

If John F'ing Kerry, a.k.a. "the traitor" manages to get elected, or more correctly, steal the election via voter fraud... I plan to fly my American Flag upside down for the duration of his time in office. We, as a country, will truly be in distress.

quark2,

Hmmm...abandoning our friends, where have I heard Kerry say that before? Nam, can you help me here?

coastygirl,

Thanks. I previously thought Willie would be first one outed as a Red.

BBev,

Nice post (tears in eye).

#241 Hi Tom!
Does it get lonely out there in my (liberal) hometown? (j/k)
(homesick W supporter in Eastern WA:( )

BTW google "pacepa"

Quite an interesting charachter. Was a laison between the Arafish and Commies. Read that story here:

[Link: www.jerusalem.indymedia.org...]

The plot thickens.

IK think its about time our American cousins stopped referring to the Democratic Party as a politicial party and refer to it in the correct terminology.

Its not a party , its a ...BUND!

Why does this not surprise me? I mean, if we were at war, wouldn't we exploit credibile, if naive, lackies that were working to erode support internally? This is BASIC intelligence work, in peace and especially at war.

Kerry sought to use the war as a platform to raise his profile and launch a political career. The North Viets saw the popularity of his movement and sought to direct and control it--just like any good intelligence agency would do. The MSM will treat this as implausible, however it is anything but. It flows as a logical outcome of the times. That Kerry was being exploited by a foreign government as a result of being the leader of a successful anti-war movement is interesting and points up the fact that his activities were not just the museings of a young man, but had a definite impact on the nation and the war. It must have been a giddy experience at 26, meeting with foreign nationals and discussing the end of war. Undoubtably in impacted upon his entry into world politics. I truly hope the MSM sees this for what it is, and reports it; letting the public decide the impact and importance of the story.

#169 Mr. Beamish:
I left Lubbock in 1984 to head to Dallas.
Moved back here in 2001, with no regrets.
Life here moves slower and there is no traffic!

I was in high school 10 years prior to you, so more than likely, I was probably your baby-sitter instead of your class mate. LOL

#195 quark2

But, just remember, if Kerry is elected because of the wilful blindness of people like her she can carry the consequences too.

I was just thinking that if I were a Muslim in America, and really understood us, I would realize that it would be to my advantage to vote for Bush. He's managed to stave off more terrorist attacks for the last three years.

If Kerry is elected and we experience another 9-11 or a Beslan, I sadly predict vigilante action across the country that will forever disabuse them of the notion that we're French or Spanish. Too many eyes have been opened in the last few years re: the Islamist agenda.

did any one notice this from the document

The seven-point peace proposal

and this

John Kerry has a seven-point plan to win the war on terror

from here?

#243

OT

Fortunately, I live in the "Seattle area" and not Seattle proper. I actually live on the Eastside in Sammamish, which is more or less GOP country, although I'm seeing more and more KEdwards' signs there too. Seattle is San Francisco North for sure. Last night the King Co council voted 7-6 along party lines (Dems in control) to restrict what private property owners can do with their rural land. It's a huge land grab. Really very, very sad and hopefully will be thrown out by the courts. But what do you expect from a place that continues to re-elect "Baghdad Jim" to Congress with 70-80% margin?

#237 Solomon 2

No, I think you are spot on! I was thinking the same thing today as I was re-reading my copy of "Unfit for Command", and saw the smirking photo of Kerry, and his merry pranksters, from the Winter Soldier testimony. If you've got that book, go back and look at the pictures---and that smug, sly, grinning face! Brrr. . . . Would you buy a used counter-culture from this man?

#197 zombie

thanks for correcting my huge blunder.lord knows all i want is this info to get out.Hat tips or not..:)

@250 Tom In Seattle

Isn't Seattle the city that has used crystals to mark all of the "energy lines" across the whole city? Haven't they also marked out spot of 'power' with seating areas and monuments? I guess that's the same idea as bat belfreys isn't it.

#207 Brickas
When someone decides to take a stand, wage a very public campaign for his particular views, especially when those views are extreme, they need to:
1. consider the harm that may be done i.e. collateral damage.
2. prepare to accept the consequences
3. take responsibility for the damage as well as credit
4. understand that "good intentions" only stretch so far
5. count on being challenged
6. don't expect, let alone demand, respect for those views
7. upon later realizing you might have gone "a little over the top" (as Kerry allowed a couple of time) have the maturity to own up to it

As for the popular idea that Kerry's service/"heroism" is any more patriotic or "worth" more than the acts of a thousand others, or in any way makes him immune to criticism: HORSE SHIT!

I'm sure that within the preceding 254 comments someone has murmured "Manchurian Candidate."

I'm talking about the original film starring Frank Sinatra and Laurence Harvey, not the pale remake with fellow moonbats Meryl Streep and Denzel Washington.

And while we're at it, I have to reflect that while Charles generously allows his following's remarks to descend into over-subscribed sinkholes like this one, it's nice to get some things off your chest.

Regarding questions of statute of limitations for treason, applicability of Carter's actions to treasonable acts, and efforts to charge Kerry for treason, see the following link.

petition for treason

I believe it is in our best interests for all of us to write our own letter to the four recipients of this petition demanding a criminal investigation. I believe the electoral process is compromised if one party on the ballot may be found guilty of treason, and so be unable to legally hold the office of president (and senator, for that matter), as provided in the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

The late date does not matter, especially if legal battles are engaged w.r.t. a recount.

There isn't necessarily anything wrong with speaking out against a war. HOW a person chooses to object is another thing.
Viet Nam wasn't wrong because some soldiers turned out to be sadistic monsters. There are psychos in every population.
It wasn't wrong because innocent civilians got caught in the middle or villiages were destroyed. That has been the nature of war since people threw rocks at eachother.
Kerry picked the most extreme, sensational and consistent aspects of ALL wars.
Kerry chose the reasons for a total anti-war position, elements that were not specific/limited to Viet Nam.
If he truly believed what he said during those protests, Kerry would be morally opposed to pursuing ANY war. His vote against the first Gulf war supports that, no matter what his rhetoric, Kerry is an established pacifist.
Pacifists have never been known to win wars or "stay the course" if they can find a way out.

Gambisin,

At least you didn't attack.

I'm amazed how many insults have been hurled my way since beginning to visit your little site here.

After reading through the comments and the reactions to my posts, all I can say is that I hope that most of you represent a significant minority in the US. The notion that a person like Kerry is a traitor, especially as it's being promulgated during an election campaign, is a deeply disturbing one.

I'll add that some of you need to think about the other parallels I've brought up. How is it that since 2000, McCain, Clelland and now Kerry are all under attack for their service?

The notion that a person like Kerry is a traitor, especially as it's being promulgated during an election campaign, is a deeply disturbing one.

I'm glad to hear that this disturbs you. Is it enough to shake you out of your complacency and learn more about John Kerry and your own possible motivations? (Check out the latest post on my blog at the "Homepage" link.) [Shameless plug #32.]

My own motivations?

My motivations are to have a healthy economy presently and in the future, and a safe country.

Bush has ensured we are far less safe than before and who knows what will happen to our economy, because he sure is a shitty steward of our finances.

"Bush has ensured we are far less safe than before and who knows what will happen to our economy, because he sure is a shitty steward of our finances."

Non sequitur. Government finances usually go to pot during wars, but that doesn't mean the citizenry is less safe.

(If you are truly concerned about government finances, why not ask your congressman what he/she has done to reduce federal spending in your district?)

I suppose the same argument could have been made about FDR's stewardship in 1944, but the opposition was too loyal to take that approach: partisanship stopped at the ocean's edge, as Senator Vandenberg used to say.

Otherwise, Americans might have cited the terrible casualties of, say, Guadalcanal as evidence of "failure", or the government would have failed to keep secret that Japenese balloon bombs were killing Americans on mainland U.S. soil.

How likely is it that the U.S. will "have a healthy economy" if thousands or even millions of Americans die in a terrorist attack? Then all the overseas dollars will flood the country, foreigners will demand other currencies, real estate, or gold, and the economy will be sure to tank. (Kerry has already said that his approach to terrorism will be to pursue the perpetrators -- that is, he is going to sit back and wait for them to strike without the U.S. going after them first).

Front page of tomorrows New York Sun
by Thomas Lipscomb

Hanoi Approved of Role Played By Anti-War Vets

This story is beginning to spread

#259 Brickas

How is it that since 2000, McCain, Clelland and now Kerry are all under attack for their service?

Don't come here with your whiney BS argument about "attacks on their patriotism".

Cleland's problem was that he put the interests of the Federal employees' union above the safety of air travelers. The same guy who has a $136,000 a year job as a board member of the Export-Import Bank, nominated by none other than George W. Bush. He put the "I" in ingrate.

McCain wasn't attacked over his patriotism, but his tax policies.

And as for Kerry, here's a guy who went to Vietnam, and then came back and shit all over other veterans in order to start a political career (fellow VVAWers at the time complained that he was an opportunist, looking to feather his own nest).

No Solomon, the reason he's a shitty financial steward is because he has run up a significant deficit even without the war. I find it incredible that Republicans who are fiscal conservatives are voting for this guy.

As for terrorists attacking us: they did. On his watch. Will they attack again? Maybe. They have half of Iraq's arsenal in their possession hidden somewhere, thanks to Bush's (poor) war leadership.

I'd be feeling a lot safer if we hadn't given the Muslims a focal point and a gathering point in Iraq, or shown them that our vaunted military can be weakened significantly if forced into certain long-term situations. Also, we cannot count on too many allies around the world because Bush has very poor "vision" about the need for a united front against terror.

Ward Cleaver 264,

McCain was attacked over his state of mind. The implication was that the time he spent in Vietnam made him mildly crazy and he is unable to function normally.

Kerry went to Vietnam. Bush didn't. Kerry won medals. Bush didn't. Kerry came back and spoke out against the war. Bush didn't. Kerry spent the next decades in public service. Bush spent the next decades imbibing booze and maybe drugs. Kerry was successful as a prosecutor and as a politician. Bush floundered and failed at everything until he arrived at the Rangers.

As for Cleland, please tell the truth. Here's Ann Coulter as reproduced by Free Rpublic:

Columnist and television commentator Ann Coulter, in a column published this week, said former Senator Max Cleland, who lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam, is no war hero.

Cleland, as he campaigns for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, is saying President Bush’s military record is inferior to Kerry’s service in Vietnam.

“The question should be: Where were you in the war of your generation? Did you take your place in the line? Or did you escape and avoid, by political means, and then cut short your tour of duty to go to Harvard Business School? I mean, John Kerry volunteered,” Cleland recently said on “Hardball With Chris Matthews.”

Coulter countered that Cleland is no Vietnam war hero, just a victim of a tragic, accidental grenade explosion who plays up his amputations for political gain.

“If Cleland had dropped a grenade on himself at Fort Dix rather than in Vietnam, he would never have been a U.S. Senator in the first place. Maybe he’d be the best pharmacist in Atlanta,” Coulter said in her column, published on February 11.

“He didn't ‘give his limbs for his country,’ or leave them ‘on the battlefield,’” Coulter said. “There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight.”

Cleland was wounded picking up a grenade that someone else had dropped.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Very nice stuff. Great patriotism, guys!

#265, brickas. You have managed to become one more shitbird in the Kerry birdcage. Did you know he was a deserter as well as a traitor and self confessed war criminal? With so many Democrats to choose from, the party stakes its future on an ambulance chaser and a deserter. Not too wise.

#265

Kerry spent the next decades in public service. Bush spent the next decades imbibing booze and maybe drugs. Kerry was successful as a prosecutor and as a politician.

***
Speaking as an ex-party girl - who was heading in the wrong direction and a passionately Liberal Democrat (raised by S.F hippie-types)..who's since married, started a family and business -

I'll pick the guy who's grown to be a man with convictions and learned from his past over the man who taught me as child that his Vietnam buddies were baby killers; the man who convinced my parents his buddies were war criminals; the man who help the North Vietnamese Communists win the propaganda war in our streets...so that freedom never came to those South Vietnamese, only death by execution. And our soldiers who died...did they die in vein? With absolutely no thanks to the man named Kerry -

they died fighting a cause they believed was noble.

And you? What do you believe? If the answer is ... you believe in Kerry; you'll believe anything - because if you truly believe a man that can cozy up with Communists (I have a friend who fled post-revolution Cuba - it's a torturous, evil type of Government) is the man to run this country -

Then I'm without words..good night!!

#267 my post -

Meant: Did they die in vain? not vein.

It's late...good night - this time for real!

# 265 brickas:

As for terrorists attacking us: they did. On his watch.

Thanks in large measure to malfeasance by Blow Job Billy. Blow Job Billy failed to recognize the terror threat, even mandated the FBI treat it as a criminal matter (see WTC I in '93). The effin' prick was in NJ on that February day and couldn't even be bothered visiting the site of the terrorist attack where 5 died. So, yeah, blame Bush. It's a good Dhimmi talking point.

269 RickZ:

Actually, the Clinton Administration was very concerned about attacks and meeting almost weekly about them in the final year of his Presidency. Sandy Berger said publicly that a terror attack in the US was the item of gravest concern to him. Richard Clarke made presentations to Rice and was joined by Berger to "stress" the importance of the subject.

Note how the State Department downgrades the importance of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda here:

[Link: archives.cnn.com...]

Read this and weep:

[Link: www.time.com...]

Or this one:

[Link: msnbc.msn.com...]

(ignore the last part about how Clarke has an ulterior motive - it's how publications try to show even-handedness when none is deserved)

And let's not forget the briefing papers received by Bush, “Bin Laden Threats Are Real” and “Bin Laden Planning High Profile Attacks.”

So while nobody is absolving the Clintons, the fact remains that they were meeting and discussing the threats on a regular basis. When the Bush term began, suddenly a big NOTHING began to happen despite numerous warnings and valiant efforts by Clarke and other holdovers from the Clinton era.

It's not any Administration's fault that we were attacked, but it happened on this Administration's watch after virtually no preparations on their part despite extensive warnings - some of which, like those briefing papers - seemed fairly explicit. This is especially galling in light of their retroactive legitimating of the Iraq war by claiming that they are pro-actively seeking the enemy before they attack us.

MichelefromLA,

Kerry isn't a Communist or a Communist supporter.

I'm sorry you don't like your parents, but even hippies can be good people and open businesses and have families.

As for supporting the Communists in a time of war, listen to this: the war in Iraq is a foolish, unnecessary war. It is being run very poorly despite a promising start. Our forces have engaged in behavior that is unacceptable in wartime, namely at Abu Gharaib, and this happened with the apparent approval (tacit, I assume) of Rumsfeld. This war is costing us plenty and will cost more in the future.

There, you see? I am not a traitor. I am not a Communist. I have a family and a business. I want to win this war. I support our troops. I want our troops to stop dying. I want the US to try to extricate itself from the bog that Iraq has become.

But this is a poorly run war by people who are leading down a wrong path. By criticizing them, in theory I am trying to create a groundswell that will force them to make changes. You see, this is actually patriotism. This is trying to find a solution to a mess we're in.

Sometimes, when you make a mistake, the adult thing to do is admit it and then rectify it.

Sadly, as we now know clearly, certain individuals in this Administration have a problem noticing when they make a mistake and believe they've been perfect in executing the War on Terror (TM) despite the fact Al Qaeda continues to act effectively and Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or terror on these shores.

If you try to point out their mistakes, Michele, you will not be a traitor. You'll be a very good American.

# 270 brickas:

So while nobody is absolving the Clintons, the fact remains that they were meeting and discussing the threats on a regular basis.

And meeting, and meeting, and meeting. . . . All the while actually doing nothing, except lob a few cruise missles into the Sudan and Afghanistan. Clinton did squat about terror, except meet about it. And the US paid dearly for his blow jobs.

# 271 brickas:

Your poor attempt at showing a relationship between Iraq and communism as applied to yourself has no bearing on the Traitor's communist leanings as to Viet Nam. Meeting with the NVA and Viet Cong peace delegations in Paris, working out a deal while a serving officer and for which he was not authorized to negotiate, and rejected by the US due to the POW issue (you know the POWs right, the people the MSM never lets anyone hear from?), show his marked propensity to follow communist dogma. That the VVAW were supported by the KGB, for agitprop purposes, should also be a big clue, not to mention his special place in the protester wing of the Viet Nam War Museum.

Nobody thought the Cambridge 5 were communists, either, but they were.

#271 Brickas -

I'm sorry you don't like your parents, but even hippies can be good people and open businesses and have families.

As for supporting the Communists in a time of war, listen to this
***

You sound like you're on Kerry's payroll. Is this the "Mrs. Edwards rule #200,000,001, ala Mary Cheney" when at a loss for an original thought, doubt the pride, love, relationship between family members? Yikes! I was just noting how far left I erected myself from.

The rest was all unoriginal soulless thinking, that works well on the easy duped. I've talked and debated with kerry supporters over and over - and have heard all the "talking points"

The way you state - "listen to this" is very telling. You actually thought with all of my experience in life, you could say listen to this, just because, and it would change everything?

That works on college students and Michael Moore drones, who can walk away from one leftist professors lecture or one showing of a cleverly edited propaganda piece and feel like they know all - when sadly they are so turned around they're looking at their own asses.

Nice try. Brickas, you're tired thoughts are not going to work here - most of us come to this blog because we question everything...

MichelefromLA,

Nice post. Don't forget that if you criticize your gov't nicely then it's OK because then you're still supporting the troops and not really being subversive but honest. Sadly our generation was coddled and taught that we have a right to speak without being taught that there also consequences to those actions. But it's OK because he feels better about himself now.

#275 Bob with one O

Exactly!!! Dissent! Dissent! They yell - but it's only "cool" if it's toward our government. Hey! If our government were shooting women in soccer stadiums, making women wear burkas, teaching our children hate, chopping off heads, shooting children in their backs..then I would be fighting that Govt. with all my passion..

But irrational thinkers, without a scale of relativity for importance or what is really dangerous, will whine about every little step our own Govt. takes - which is the most ball-less move - Whining about panties on heads and the Guantanamo prisons being fed well...

Meanwhile men and women are fighting the ultimate depravity on the otherside of the world.

Michele,

Our parents indeed had the greatest generation, and yet somehow lost sight of how they were made when it came time to raising us. The result is publicly all around us and yet there is an undercurrent of unrest, by those of us unwilling to let the dream die.

Our generation can still redeem itself, I guess we'll get a glimpse next Tuesday.