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Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 7:46:40 pm PDT

Martin Peretz has a brilliant essay on the essential weakness of John Kerry’s candidacy—his intention to delegate the security of the US to a morally bankrupt, thoroughly corrupt organization: Us and Them. (Hat tip: davesax.)

When I listen to John Kerry speak about the United Nations, I recall myself in a grade-school classroom in New York 55 years ago. At the front was hung a banner with a map of the Earth on a pale blue cloth—the organization’s flag. The legend underneath reads, the world’s last best hope. This would now be a macabre joke. The United Nations is bloated and corrupt, and its putrescence extends to the secretary-general’s very family and his inner office. Were its headquarters located in Lagos or Beijing, it would disappear because no one would come.

But, of course, the United Nations is located in New York City, where it is planning a multibillion-dollar physical rehabilitation and expansion. It instinctively grasps where its make-believe destiny lies. Yet, intrinsically and practically, it is following the path of the League of Nations. The League couldn’t protect the rights of national minorities in the multiethnic states established at Versailles. And, in a sense, the U.N.’s culpability is even greater, since it often has a presence in the countries where the killings take place. As hundreds of thousands of noncombatants are slaughtered, the United Nations watches on the ground and dithers in New York while its diplomats dine out on their importance at the city’s elegant salons and eateries.

Of course, there is one place where the United Nations does act reflexively and quickly: Israel. Hardly a week goes by that the secretary-general or one of his flunkies does not severely reproach Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s democratically elected government. You can pass a sweeping resolution condemning Israel anytime, anywhere at the United Nations (except in the Security Council, where the United States has a veto). Indeed, much of the U.N.’s public business concerns the supposed depredations of the Jewish state—given the numerical prowess of Arab and Muslim states in the organization and its agencies. But, listening to Kerry talk about the United Nations, you would not think its very routines are at all problematic. (And, since he has so much esteem for the United Nations and the “world community,” who can be sure that Kerry would employ the “permanent member” veto power on Israel’s behalf?)

The European Union also has great cachet with Kerry, and its mischievous views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are shared by Kerry advisers like Martin Indyk and Rand Beers. The European Union disapproves of Sharon’s plan to vacate all of the Gaza settlements and four in northern Samaria, claiming this is a cover for Israel retaining the rest of the West Bank. As Deputy Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has made clear, the present Israeli government intends to withdraw tens of thousands of settlers from their homes. But it will not return to the precarious cease-fire lines of 1949. Yet, for France and Spain and, for that matter, Indyk, Israel’s withdrawal must be complete—that is, to the old frontiers, as if these will suddenly bring it peace. These are not Bush’s borders. And, since Kerry has not disavowed his advisers, it is more than reasonable to suspect that they are his.

Now, another Kerry eminence, Zbigniew Brzezinski, habitually cavalier about Israel’s perils, has put out a hash of tattered ideas that include bringing European and Muslim troops to Iraq—and perhaps even persuading Iran to foreclose its nuclear option and ending U.S. isolation in the struggle against Islamist terrorism. All that, and just by leaving Israel in the lurch. Kerry’s longtime foreign policy aide, Nancy Stetson, has been heard pooh-poohing his vague “only politics” assurances that he won’t do something like that. In West Palm Beach, Florida, recently, and in other places throughout the campaign, Kerry has told crowds of Jews how he once sang “Am Yisrael Chai” (“the people Israel lives”) across a chasm in the Negev desert. This schmaltz does not reassure me—and neither does Bill Clinton’s Florida schmaltz.

ohn Kerry speaks, not unfairly, of George W. Bush’s habits of denial. But Kerry himself is in denial. He is in denial about the United Nations. He is in denial about the Australian election that returned to office for an unprecedented fourth term its prime minister who has been, with his country, a pillar of the Iraq coalition. He is in denial about Japan, whose government, unlike Germany’s and France’s, does not carp at the United States. He is in denial about Afghanistan, where, for the first time in history, men and women, riding on donkeys and walking barefoot across great distances, have exercised the right to choose those who govern them. He is in denial about Iraq itself. The Jordanian daily Al Ra’i recently called Moqtada Al Sadr’s apparent retreat from armed struggle “a farewell to arms” that is as politically significant as the establishment of the provisional authority. Has Kerry come close to recognizing this? Has he acknowledged that the Bush administration has negotiated with nato a plan to send, starting in November, up to 3,000 soldiers to train Iraqi troops? These soldiers will be under the command of General David Petraeus, who is mustering the military might and political will to retake much of the Sunni triangle. Many Iraqis now have second thoughts about opposing the coalition. Even the BBC has said as much. But Kerry hasn’t.

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1 Smug Monkey  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:52:06pm

OT: Must... resist... Photoshop...

2 Smug Monkey  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:52:37pm

Damn, what a horrid way to start a thread... sorry.

Kinda.

3 lazytart  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:53:24pm

Drudge is reporting the NAACP is whining about being faced with the IRS following their "Bush bashing"...

Full court press, folks... long week ahead.

4 monkeyweather  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:57:41pm

Good article. The UN is so rotten it isn't even right twice a day like a broken clock.
They are like a litmus test these days: if they think something is right, thats PROOF it is wrong.

5 transient  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:59:21pm
Zbigniew Brzezinski...has put out a hash of tattered ideas that include bringing European and Muslim troops to Iraq—and perhaps even persuading Iran to foreclose its nuclear option and ending U.S. isolation in the struggle against Islamist terrorism.

Cognitive dissonance alert...We end U.S. isolation in the struggle on Islamic terrorism by ending the struggle against terrorism?

'Splain, Lucy.

6 soccer4ever  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 5:59:25pm

EXCLUSIVE: FORMER VICE PRESIDENT AL GORE TO CAMPAIGN IN HAWAII… VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY TO CAMPAIGN IN HONOLULU ON SUNDAY

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

7 monkeyweather  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:01:00pm

#3 lazytart
You know if my church was full on stumping for Bush, the democrats would want to not only revoke its tax exempt status, they would cheerfully agree it should be dismantled it brick by brick.
But don't they whine and squeal when the law is applied to them? ha. ha. ha. :oP

8 johnCV  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:09:06pm
Has Kerry come close to recognizing this? Has he acknowledged that the Bush administration has negotiated with nato a plan to send, starting in November, up to 3,000 soldiers to train Iraqi troops? ... ...Many Iraqis now have second thoughts about opposing the coalition. Even the BBC has said as much. But Kerry hasn’t.

Nope, cuz' he's a dickhead. All other explanations are a waste of time.

9 Asher Abrams  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:12:26pm

Charles, thanks for posting this piece. Martin Peretz is one of the few sane minds left at TNR, and one of the few reasons I'm actually thinking of renewing my subscription (the expiration reminder came in today's mail).

I've been doing a series of rebuttals to TNR titled The New Republican (latest installment here), but I'm pleased to see that TNR hasn't totally fallen into moonbat hell.

Again, thanks for posting this.

10 griffon  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:14:51pm

OT It looks like Joe Biden has been offered the Sec of State job IF Kerry wins.

11 Melissa  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:25:47pm

Heard Peretz interviewed by Prager last week. He still won't be voting for Bush. That. Doesn't. Make. Sense.

12 gymnast  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:29:40pm

As I recall, please correct me if I am wrong, Old Ziggie B was the guy who was Carters Security Advisor while the folks at the Embassy in Iran were being held hostage. He got a plan for another total fuck up?

13 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:35:49pm

Bad new. The bookies are giving Kerry nearly even odds with Bush now. [Link: bestbetting.com...]

14 Asher Abrams  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:37:42pm

11/Melissa,

I'm not totally surprised, but I am disappointed. He's hinted broadly, in a couple of recent columns, that he's leaning toward Bush. (Maybe he'll still vote for Bush in the privacy of the voting booth, just doesn't want to admit to it publicly. The Canadians have a name for that, it escapes me at the moment.)

15 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:41:14pm

#13,

Old George Soros is throwing good money after bad...

16 EE  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:44:29pm

Kerry's foreign policy will emphasize: grovel before the UN, grovel before France and its Euro allies, and pressure Israel.

Kerry denounced our actual coalition allies as "coerced" and "bribed". He would not have any part of what he calls coercion and bribery. His method is to grovel, and to offer the sacrifice of Israel's security and vital interests as his reward to the Euros and to the Arab and Muslim world. It's a different kind of bribery; it's done with the blood of a friend of America.

17 Maine's Michael  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:46:32pm

Hey Zbig,

Give it up. You'll die in Kissinger's shadow, you weasel, nothing but a footnote to the slim paragraph describing the century's worst presidency.

18 JWM  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:52:16pm

#3 Lazytart:
You're right. And it's working my last good nerve. I've never seen a more despicable man run for president, and I've never seen anyone run such a nasty, mean spirited campaign, as The Kerroid. And I've never seen anything, short of islam itself, as vile as the media conspiracy fought against George Bush. This week I hit a new peak of pissed off. Got stuck behind a car with a Kerroid sticker on the right, and one on the left that read:
"How many children have we killed in Iraq toay".
I got mad at the donks in 2000, and voted Bush.
I got madder at the LA Slimes during the recall, and changed my registration to Republican.
That bumper sticker got me so pissed that I went to Republican HQ and volunteered for the last 72 hours. If any of you LA area Lizards get a "Have you voted yet" phone call next Tue. it might be from me. Whoever it is, Tell 'em to tune in to LGF.
JWM

19 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:53:02pm
20 Rare Hollywood Republican  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 6:54:47pm

I walk every day among the Media Elite, and my greatest frustration this election season has been the near-total inability of my Jewish friends to see the peril of a Kerry vote. They spout nonsense about stem cells or quote from the gospel of Michael Moore, then do all they can to change the subject away from Israel.

Sadly, I've concluded it boils down to bigotry. Bush is a devout Christian and a Republican. To traditional Jewish leftists, that is a double whammy that can trump any argument based on reason.

Bless Peretz for what he has been brave enough to say, and let's hope that Kerry's candidacy is, like Arafat, dead by Wednesday.

21 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:03:41pm

I asked a lefty friend of mine today why is is so bad that America is the world police but its okay if the UN is. She said, at least it wouldn't be the US. As if everything would be okay just as long as America didn't have the power.Naturally, this friend only watches PBS and doesn't have a computer to do some research.

It is totally terrifying that the lefties think that the UN is a better replacement. They don't mind an entity having power, just that we shouldn't. Sorry, I feel safer that we are the so call super power. America is far from perfect, but thinking of the other options, I just don't understand why if some other entity had the upper hand, everything would be peaches and cream.

22 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:05:35pm
These soldiers will be under the command of General David Petraeus...

Ooh, ooh, book recommendation! You can read about this amazing soldier in In The Company Of Soldiers: A Chronicle of Combat. Petraeus commanded the 101st Airborne in the invasion of Iraq. The embedded reporter from The Washington Post, Rick Atkinson, attached himself to Petraeus, and turned his very good reportage into this very good book.

*koff*...You can also click through and read my review of it!

23 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:10:52pm

#19 Iron Fist

Didn't TNR endorse sKerry?

TNR never endorses the Republican candidate for President. Lately, they never even endorse the Democrat frontrunner during primary season. They went with Joe Lieberman this time. In 1988, I think they were for Paul Simon.

24 Globular Cluster  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:26:44pm

Is that the entire text of the article? If not will somebody please post? I am emailing it out and want to be sure.

Thanks.

25 Promethea  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:31:18pm

#20 Rare Hollywood Republican . . .

Sadly, I've concluded it boils down to bigotry. Bush is a devout Christian and a Republican. To traditional Jewish leftists, that is a double whammy that can trump any argument based on reason.

Yes, I think that you've hit on the REAL reason why Jews hate Bush. They talk about "stem cells," "healthcare," "unemployment," etc. But these are just excuses. Just about every LLL I know (mostly Jews but also Episcopalians and Presbyterians) think that Bush is overly religious. Today one of my Jewish LLL friends said that Bush thinks that "God is talking to him directly."

I still don't understand why these same people didn't get all upset about Jimmy Carter. Oh well, consistency is the not the strong suit of the LLLs anyway.

But I hope that any LLL Jews reading this will look DEEP into their hearts and ask themselves--are they being motivated by rank prejudice? I think many of them are and don't recognize it.

I admit--I was more prejudiced against Christians and Christianity until I spent a year and a half on LGF. Now I am a better person.

BTW, there is also a good discussion on Belmont Club by Christians who support Israel. I like to read these threads because I feel safer.

The world is a dangerous place, and Jews should wake up to who is for them and who is against them. That takes some "re-thinking." Hard to do when your mind has turned to concrete.

26 jlfintx  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:36:25pm

OT

Okay, we are at the last days of the election. Bush will pull away this weekend, and if there is any doubt about the outcome, the Clinton's will play their trump card to defeat Kerry (if needed). If you look at the LA Times electoral map from 2000, just make the following changes. Add, two of the four states consisting of Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconson, Ohio. Also, add NM for Bush and throw in either NJ or Hawaii. Result, Bush with about 319 EV, and 54% of popular vote. I think most democrats already know this and if you read enough of their editorials you can read into the comments their resignation. BUT, we still have to close the deal and VOTE. Just 5 more days and this will be over and Bush will be the winner!

27 glwing  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:36:40pm

#25 Promethea


there is also a good discussion on Belmont Club by Christians who support Israel.

Got news for ya. EVERY REAL Christian supports Israel.
Those that go sit in a building once a week and carry a Bible around are not always Christians, just carrying the label.

28 Rare Hollywood Republican  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:39:34pm

#25 Promethea

Yes, I think that you've hit on the REAL reason why Jews hate Bush.

I want to be clear here: I refer to my Media Elite Jewish friends. As a member of the Los Angeles chapter of the Republican Jewish Coalition, I know a great number of Jews who have seen the light.

And, no, we don't meet in a phone booth.

29 Asher Abrams  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:47:45pm

19 / Iron Fist
23 / Sanity Inspector,

TNR did endorse Lieberman in the primary - that was back when they still had my respect. They initially supported the Iraq war, too, only they've been backing away from that as the election draws closer. They can afford the luxury of principle during off-season, but not when there's an actual election involved.

Their primary endorsement issue featured Lieberman, but various editors and writers gave their own individual endorsements - one even backed Dean (who is so un-TNR). NOT ONE OF TNR'S WRITERS backed Kerry in the primary!

Faced with the prospect of Bush vs Kerry, the TNR folks tried to muster some enthusiasm for the Kerry/Edwards ticket. Their selling point: Edwards would make a great Vice-President! I mentioned that in my post Edwards for Vice President!

In the most recent issue, TNR has finally got round to endorsing Kerry. But as I've said, Peretz seemed to be a dissenting voice, having hinted (September 13-20) that he had occasionally "strayed" from voting Democratic, and condemning Kerry's stance on Iraq (October 11) in much the same language that appears in the present article.

I've been hoping that Martin Peretz would do a Christopher Hitchens, and defy his journalistic colleagues; but that seems increasingly unlikely. It's too bad: I really used to like The New Republic. But like so many other good things, it appears fated to fall prey to the merciless and uncompromising times we live in.

So be it. I will not fall.

30 Asher Abrams  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:51:35pm

25/Promethea,

You're nailing it. Liberal Jews don't like anybody who's traditionally religious - hence the rhetoric that Bush "feels God is talking to him directly".

Yes, Bush DOES believe he has a personal relationship with G-d, and I wish more Jews and Christians did. He also believes in a Creator who is intimately involved with the moral and ethical lives of humans. Imagine that?

31 Promethea  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:52:00pm

#28 Rare Hollywood Republican . . .

And, no, we don't meet in a phone booth.

That's encouraging. Unfortunately, where I am--in LLL Chicago--we would have to meet in a phone booth. ;[

32 Asher Abrams  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:53:00pm

28/RHR,

As a member of the Los Angeles chapter of the Republican Jewish Coalition, I know a great number of Jews who have seen the light.

And, no, we don't meet in a phone booth.

ROFL!

33 Promethea  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:56:48pm

#27 glwing . . .

Got news for ya. EVERY REAL Christian supports Israel.

I wish/hope that were true. I just read an article today in The Jerusalem Report about the divestment procedures by the Presbyterian Church against companies that deal with Israel. Then there is also the Anglican/Episcopal church, which seem to promote anti-Israel measures. But maybe both these groups are relatively small.

I'm signing off now, but will read any responses in the morning. Thanks!

34 glwing  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:57:24pm

#30 Asher

He also believes in a Creator who is intimately involved with the moral and ethical lives of humans.

Amen!

When, exactly, did it become a crime in America to have a heart-felt belief in God? I can't name the date but it has been a growing cancer in our country for some time now.

35 Asher Abrams  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 7:57:25pm

A while back, Leon Wieseltier did a wonderful column (as almost all of his are) in The New Republic, in praise of George Orwell. He honed in on the problem with folks who believe that "certainty" - in and of itself - is inherently "dogmatic" and therefore wrong. What, Wieseltier asked, about the content of a belief? Are we not entitled to be "certain" that some things are right and others are wrong?

I'll try to dig up that column in my print issues of TNR; I've been meaning to post on it.

36 mudmarine  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:06:06pm

#29 Asher Abrams

I agree with your take on TNR and on Marty. I've been a reader since 71-72 and a subscriber since 74.

The magazine has gone through a number of changes over the years. I've always respected it as a liberal but usually fairly balanced compendium of views. But over the last 6 months or so I belive they have lost that sense of balance. As a matter of fact, in the past few months I have found myself skipping the political writings and reading only Stanley and the book reviews.

I was looking at their annual statement of subscribers today, they are down to approx. 67,000. If memory serves 10 years ago or so they were around 100,000.

My subscription expires in Dec04, and I am seriously considering not renewing. They used to be unique, now they read like just another member of the MSM.

37 Rare Hollywood Republican  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:07:50pm

#34 glwing

When, exactly, did it become a crime in America to have a heart-felt belief in God?

Actually, I think the question is WHERE did it become a crime to have a heart-felt belief in God?

Hint: Start your search in Blue states. The Red ones are fine.

38 zulubaby  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:10:34pm

glwing (#34)

When, exactly, did it become a crime in America to have a heart-felt belief in God? I can't name the date but it has been a growing cancer in our country for some time now.

Unless, of course, that religion happens to be Islam. Criticizing Islam = "racist!!!"

39 glwing  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:15:03pm

#33 Promethea


wish/hope that were true. I just read an article today in The Jerusalem Report about the divestment procedures by the Presbyterian Church

That is the Pres church USA and about as LLL as you can get. They are not Christians. Call themselves that but they are not.
Trust me, it is true. Christianity is not any one religion or even 'a religion'. It is a deep belief and trust, a relationship and that is about as plain as I can state it. There are thousands of people who are members of churches who call themselves Christians. They believe in their church, not the founder……….and there is a HUGE difference.
Every Christian I know prays daily for the peace of Jerusalem and means it!

40 Nancy  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:20:11pm

Kerry advisers like Rand Beers.

I recall Mrs. Beers is very anti-Israel and actively pro-Palestinian and I don't remember but involved in one of the "peace groups" I think.

41 glwing  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:21:02pm

FOX showing Arafat's departure live right now.

Is it too much to hope for a stray rocket?

42 MichelefromLA  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:25:13pm

#34 glwing -

When, exactly, did it become a crime in America to have a heart-felt belief in God?
***

The other night while my husband was flipping channels, he momentarily stopped on a John F. Kennedy bio - where he's giving a speech about our country doing what we can to bring Democracy to the world (or something), and he quoted bible verses.

Yikes!! If his face were replaced with Bush's, half of the country would've been repulsed.

But instead the Democrats, my mom included, speak lovingly of Kennedy - even with the Bay of Pigs and all...

And I, too, have been asked, "Don't you know Bush talks to God?" as if he's a total freak.

My mom says all of her Liberal friends say the same thing..."He talks to God."

Hey, unfortunately, I wasn't raised with religion...but I understand the man has faith - he's not puting on a little green suit and speaking in Martian - which I think the Liberals would find more acceptable.

Is this one of the phrases that comes from the Liberal handbook- along with corporate greed, no blood for oil, evil Halliburton...?

43 glwing  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:29:53pm

#42 Michele

"Don't you know Bush talks to God?"

My grandma called that praying.
Afraid I am guilty as well. :)

You are so right about JFK in the '60's.
Somehow we went from there is good and bad, right and wrong to "what the hell...do it!"

44 Asher Abrams  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:30:51pm
And I, too, have been asked, "Don't you know Bush talks to God?" as if he's a total freak.

And I say, "Good. So do I."

45 Hhar  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:32:21pm

Correction. You say:

My mom says all of her Liberal friends say the same thing..."He talks to God."

Hey, unfortunately, I wasn't raised with religion...but I understand the man has faith - he's not puting on a little green suit and speaking in Martian - which I think the Liberals would find more acceptable.

You should say:

My mom says all of her Liberal friends say the same thing..."He talks to God."

Hey, unfortunately, I wasn't raised with religion...but I understand the man has faith - he's not puting on a little green suit and speaking to (Allah /Brahma/Gaia/Great Spirit/Pele/Ameratsu) - which I think the Liberals would find more acceptable.

46 Asher Abrams  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:33:56pm

41/glwing,

FOX showing Arafat's departure live right now.

Awww, ***! You meant his departure for PARIS!

47 Yehudit  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:34:35pm
Bad news. The bookies are giving Kerry nearly even odds with Bush now.

The electronic markets are being manipulated.
[Link: www.chicagoboyz.net...]
[Link: www.poorandstupid.com...]

This needs to get publicized so the effect will be neutralized.

48 Rare Hollywood Republican  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:38:15pm

#42 Michele

My mom says all of her Liberal friends say the same thing..."He talks to God."

I further submit that Bush's faith is the underlying basis of much of the Left's insistence that he's stupid. In the Media Elite, regular prayer and church-going means dumb, or worse, crazy (cf. Gibson, Mel).

49 glwing  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:40:00pm

#42 Michele

Hey, unfortunately, I wasn't raised with religion

Ya know, some of the strongest Christians I know weren't raise with 'religion'. None of those "wrong teachings" to throw away ;)

---
#46 Asher

Awww, ***! You meant his departure for PARIS

Yes, sorry :(

LOL

50 glwing  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 8:45:22pm

#48 RHR

In the Media Elite, regular prayer and church-going means dumb

So does slow talkin' Southerner. However, you noticed the south is filled with RED states.
I rest my case ;)

51 Morenuancedthanyou  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 9:02:29pm
[The U.N.] is planning a multibillion-dollar physical rehabilitation and expansion


Um, who will paying for that?

52 Morenuancedthanyou  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 9:16:33pm

arrgh... Who will BE paying ffor that (preview is my friend)? Never mind, it's a rhetorical question, we all know who will be paying -- the American taxpayers and the investors in American T-notes.

53 Q  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 9:53:55pm

Teacake:

I feel safer that we are the so call super power. America is far from perfect, but thinking of the other options, I just don't understand why if some other entity had the upper hand, everything would be peaches and cream.

We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes. Assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck a asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate. And it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves. Because pussies are a inch and half away from assholes. I don't know much about this crazy crazy world, but I do know this. If you don't let us fuck this asshole we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit.

54 rickmoss  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 10:16:50pm

There seems to be a misconception that "media elite" Jews are representative of the Jewish community in general.

Nothing could be further than the truth. By defintion, the "elite" DON'T represent the views of most people. That is why they consider themselves to be "elite". Susan Sarrandon and Saddam Hussein both consider themselves to be "elite" -- and look how similar their views are.

There are a lot of left-leaning Jews and there are -- especially in my family -- a lot of right-leaning Jews. Lefitsts tend to be more visible to the general public because they spend a lot of time prevaricating their "morally superior caring views". The rest of us are too busy caring about doing our jobs, paying our mortgages, raising decent children to have the time to wax rhapsodic about things that ultimately don't concern us.

To put it more succinctly -- to be left-leaning is to not believe in the biblical injuction to "Mind Thy Own Business"

55 Q  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 10:24:53pm

AA (#46):

Awww, ***! You meant his departure for PARIS!

There is no Hell. There is only France.

56 Q  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 10:28:51pm

RHR (#48):

cf. Gibson, Mel

Hey, isn't he Hutton Gibson's son?

57 www.gunzilla.net  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 10:58:13pm

I just can't believe that the Bush camp hasn't nailed him on this yet because it's so obvious, but Kerry's 'plan to win the peace' sounds totally preposterous. First, he doesn't have an actual plan and if he does he never tells us what it is. He just blames Bush for not having a 'plan'. Secondly, there is no way in hell you can make peace with terrorists. These are not people you can buy off with a lump sum of money, folks. They're after us, our way of life. They will stop at nothing to destroy it, destroy us. A white flag, even if it's just to 'negotiate' is tantamount to suicide. Kerry and his ilk make it sound constantly like the entire population of Iraq is rising up against the American 'aggressor'. Which is utter bullshit! That's another thing Bush needs to hammer home more often. These socalled 'insurgents' are mostly terrorists from across the border and former Saddam loyalists. I'm sure there are regular Iraqi's that get caught in the terrorist propaganda and that decide to join them but the majority of the Iraqi people (who are also killed on a daily basis by these 'insurgents') just want peace and they want the US and their allies to bring it about.

Kerry's talking points on Iraq and the war on terror don't make any sense. I think that Bush needs to make that clear to the American people. You can't make peace with terrorists, like Kerry suggests we should do. Going to the UN and have roundtable discussions with Al-Qaeda and al-Zarqawi isn't going to cut it, but Kerry probably thinks back on those talks he had with the VC in Paris which were very 'succesful'. Getting out of Iraq and bringing the 'boys' home (hello, these are professionally trained volunteers not conscripts like in Vietnam who didn't want to go to war) is only going to turn Iraq into another Iran and then you're really up shit creek without pedals.

The only way to handle this war on terror in Iraq is through force. Never give an inch, never surrender and don't give them the idea you are willing to 'negotiate'. It's no wonder they are shilling for Kerry, it would the ultimate blow against the US.

Kerry is dangerous and his ideas so crazy I'm surprised Bush hasn't made more noise about it. He should have jumped on that whole 'plan to win the peace' thing during the debates and buried it once and for all.

58 Ilan Toren  Thu, Oct 28, 2004 11:46:10pm

Notes on predicting the election

Everything points to a close a election, although I have family who are insistent that Kerry must wing (not just a moral imperative, but as in fact). OTOH there is the above model which still predicts a Bush victory (with about 55% or the popular vote, if you could believe it). Either way it is a strange situation. Of course, Kerry's even floating the idea of an international consensus guiding US policy is ludicrous. His own electoral base is dead set against free trade, a very contentious aspect of US-European relations.

So what are the consequences? In respect to Africa and North Korea there maybe litttle impact, as international delay has determined continued genocide in Sudan and an atomic North Korea. Iran will proably also go nuclear since even with Bush as president there is no reason to suspect that France and Russia are willing to apply economic measures to bring Iran in line. So where will the impact be felt? Mostly in the ME with a democratic or terror-ridden Iraq at stake. If Bush is reelected there is a good chance that the entire ME will change for the better, almost no chance with Kerry, who will pressure Israel for more concessions and still not get European assistance in straightening things out.

59 HA  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 12:47:08am

He is in denial about Japan, whose government, unlike Germany’s and France’s, does not carp at the United States.

This is one of the great under-reported stories of the last few years. Japan has been a great ally to America. Isn't it time to reward Japan for this?

For my entire adult life I have purchased American made cars. I've always wanted my money to go into American pockets rather than Japanese pockets. But as I look at the union brownshirts running around attacking Bush supporters during this election cycle, I've decide I no longer want my money supporting these bastards. Japan has done more to support our troops in this war than the Democratic union shock troops.

I think my next car will be Japanese. The unions can go to hell.

60 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 1:00:48am

#7 monkeyweather -
You got it right. A leftist group is bringing suit against Colorado bishops for political bias - surprise (not), they're for Bush.
Of course, Kerry, Edwards preaching politics from the pulpit and influential Democratic church personalities all over the country have no problem.
And, not to be outdone, their's Jewish sex, lies and videotape.

61 metroman  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 2:24:17am

The audacity of Muslim troops!!!

There is no Muslim nation. There is Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, many more countries that contain members of Islam. But Islam is not a nation and therefor cannot have claim to Muslim troops. There are only terrorists in Islam.

National armies from Syria, Iran in Iraq???

No. These countries support terrorism.

62 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 2:51:40am

#61 metroman -
How they see it.

63 G.Galvan  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 4:14:58am

I didn't know GW was in the Nile?

OK it's FINALLY Friday!

64 G.Galvan  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 4:18:56am

#27

RIGHT ON!!!

65 W-lover  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 4:19:59am

#21 Teacake!-

I asked a lefty friend of mine today why is is so bad that America is the world police but its okay if the UN is. She said, at least it wouldn't be the US.

I know far too many people like this myself, and what I can't understand is the failure of people to see that the UN usually leaves stuff for the US to take care of such as Somalia, and now the Sudan. They fail to see that if it wasn't for the US the UN might not have lasted even this long.

66 Sol Roth  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 4:37:52am
All that, and just by leaving Israel in the lurch.

Elect Hanoi Kerry, and that's exactly what our only ally in the ME will be in for.

67 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 4:41:07am
68 jemima  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 4:51:50am

Somewhat OT:

Hollywood types love to make movies about the very people they denigrate regularly. If you're going to do some kind of deep, existential film, G-d forbid we call it a movie, then it's about someone in the great, vast Midwest. They can't tell a story about themselves and their cliquie rabble, the Morton's feasters, the Ivy eaters, the Malibu dwellers.

There's no existential struggle going on within their own incestuous, dull. not even self-reflective communities. They have to try to imagine what real people think and feel.

So unfortunately for us who are on the receiving end of this ridiculous storytelling procedure, they have no idea what we think or feel or believe. Hence we're inundated with negative and depressing images., owing more to their own barren lives than ours.

Where is Louis B Mayer, Irving Thalberg and Carl Laemmle when you need them? Where is Ben Hecht?

69 traveler  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 4:55:55am

Now the Iraqis are saying the weapons could have disappeared before U.S. got there...

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

I'm sure the NYTs is going to print that front page correction any minute now...

[crickets chirping]

70 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 5:12:37am

Many good points in this essay, but also suicidal European/Kerryite delusions like this:

Now, of course, the WMD rationale for war has dissolved like a mirage in the Mesopotamian desert.

Mr. Peretz, this is a fundamental misunderstanding. Are you a September 10th person who believes the 192 nations intertwined on Earth could be governed as if each one was on its own planet, not interfering with any others? There is no such thing as a "fresh start" in history, mankind only has this one planet. When it comes to WMD the benefit of the doubt has to be with the prosecutor, not with the suspect.

Please think a moment about the Iranian nuclear crisis. The Mullahs' thrive to achieve what Saddam failed and wipe Israel off the map and lead Europe into dhimmitude at nukepoint would be much more frightening, could they still point to a neighboring arch-enemy who is running unaccountable WMD programs too.

Saddams WMD programs were a known unknown, a factor that made all regional strategical equations more instable and restricted the diplomatic scope of options. For now, taking out this unknown factor was the greatest single contribution to preempt this war from crossing the nuclear threshold, even if it happened in good time before Saddam could achieve the results he wanted to.

It is an European/Kerryite delusion that the Iranian WMD threat had only come into being as a result of the regime change in Iraq, and would not have existed before it received Western media coverage. Exactly the opposite is true: Because the Saddam regime is no more, the Mullahs had to open the door to UN inspectors and can no longer argue that Iran was threatened by unaccountable WMD programs of neighbors.

71 wiseoldfool  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 5:46:49am

Let's face it - the reason the left LOVES the U.N. is because it gives them an excuse to perpetually complain about injustices in the world without ever having to accept any moral responsibility for, or to take any action to correct, those injustices.

72 MichelefromLA  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 5:58:19am

#68 Jemima -

Yup. Too true.

For instance, this new show "Desperate Housewives," which portrays housewives as dim-witted, desperate, depraved women. Hmmm, as someone that's quit my job and started my own business so that I could be home with my child - I can tell you I'm not the desperate one.

But Hollywoodites, lacking creativity, prefer to turn their cameras on the more wholesome aspects of America and turn it into sewage so that they can feel good about their own crappy existences - their discarded relationships, persuit of material objects, their hedonistic, empty lives...seem so much better when they can feel pitty for us "housewives."

73 alegrias  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 6:15:28am

It's sad to see brilliant people and leaders of now leftist but formerly mainstream protestant churches such as the Lutheran church abandon the principles and values that made our country unique by design. They've succumbed to an oppositional disorder that is self-defeating and may end in death to America, as Iran's mullahs cheerfully advertise.

Formerly rational people now side against our country's best interests as a political tenet and actively support religious tyrants and islamicfascists who profess to be doing Allah's will murdering Jooos and infidels as their sole objective on this earth.

Liberals uphold and ignore the koran's genocidal, anti-female 7th century rantings and it's crazed adherents while trashing the bible which inspired our founding fathers to create an evolving egalitarian opportunity-based society.

Liberals decry a minority of Americans who admit or profess faith yet have few objections to a global agenda by fundamentalist religious regimes of unelected bigots & murderers to destroy democracy.

None of these countries and bad actors share our constitution's conception of individual liberty, the pursuit of happiness, individual property rights, one person one vote, etc.--yet these are the despots to whom Dems such as Kerry would hand the keys to let them drive our great nation to ruin.

74 LarryW2LJ  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 6:20:21am

#34 glwing

When, exactly, did it become a crime in America to have a heart-felt belief in God? I can't name the date but it has been a growing cancer in our country for some time now.

It became a crime in America the day the Supremes decided that prayer in school was unConstitutuional.

Ever since, the secuilarists, buoyed by this legal victory have been making greater and greater inroads into the American way of life.

This country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. They guided us for almost 200 years. However, the victory of WWII and the prosperity and wealth of the 50s brought along with it, maybe (?) , an arrogance and pride of our accomplisments. By this I mean maybe that's when, as a Nation, many started to lose their humility and belief that it is God who ultimately provides for us and gives us everything we have.

It started slowly at first; but the manner in which secularists have infiltrated the MSM and have spread their doctrine has taken off with a jump to light speed. Unfortunately, it has infected the religious organizations. As an American who is Roman Catholic, I see this within my own Church. There are clerical and lay members alike, who have forgotten that Catholocism is NOT a democracy. If you are true to the Catholic faith, on matters of dogma and doctrine, you cannot choose what you want to follow. On matters of dogma and doctrine, you buy into the whole ball of wax, or you leave.

John Kerry fits into this mold. He states that he is a serious Catholic; but that he cannot allow his personal beliefs to influence how he chooses to lead and legislate his fellow Americans. I submit, that if he is TRULY Catholic, his beliefs would be so deeply ingrained into him that he would not be able to let them NOT influence how he leads and legislates.

By this, I don't mean that he should be leading or legislating Catholic practises and teaching. But there are universal principals to all religions that he should be standing behind. How can you say you're Catholic and then not stand up for issues on life? How can you truly be Catholic and not be against abortion? I understand that there are some Catholics who are "pro-choice". I do not agree with them; but having said that, how can you even be a "pro-choice" Catholic and not be against partial birth-abortion, a truly barbarous and disgusting practise?

If John Kerry is truly Catholic and not the secularist that I think he actually is, then I truly, truly do not understand his belief system. If you are willing to put your "core system and beliefs" on the side when you do your job; then what else is he going to be willing to put aside in the future? In the end, it is my contention, that he is betraying his religion, his beliefs and his very being, if he even reallyhas the beliefs he says he has. If he's not betraying them; then at the very least he's lying about what he truly believes in.

If you're willing to betray that, then ALL bets are off when it comes to anything else! A man like this as President of the USA and leader of the free world? I think not.

75 MichelefromLA  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 6:35:01am

#74 & #34

#34 glwing

When, exactly, did it become a crime in America to have a heart-felt belief in God? I can't name the date but it has been a growing cancer in our country for some time now.
***

I was a kid of young San Franciscan hippies, who shunned the religion they were raised with, and, then called those who practiced religion "jesus freaks."

So I was immersed, as a child, with this adversity to religion. And now as an adult I see how the secularists latch on to other things as their religion - like those radical vegans who shout at me for eating meat, the ones who worship dollar signs...I'm not the first to notice the way they replace G-d. It's just interesting to me, considering how I was raised, to see how wrong my parents counter-culture generation was. Most of the "Freaks" are the secularists, in my opinion. Those with faith seem a heck of a lot freakish comparitively.

76 Reader2  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 6:35:05am

OT

Brett Baer on FOX just reported that a soldier will testify that he removed 200 tons of explosives from AlQaqaa and that it was subsequently destroyed.

77 MichelefromLA  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 7:01:05am

#75 my post -


Correction:

Most of the "Freaks" are the secularist's, in my opinion. Those with faith seem a heck of a lot less freakish comparitively.

78 MichelefromLA  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 7:27:58am

#77

secularists/not secularist's (Arggghhh! typing in the morning is a problem for me...)

79 Q  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 8:20:39am

#74:

Secularism, for all its flaws, is like liberal democracy -- the worst socio-political arrangement in existence, with the exception of all the others.

Theocracy (which is its natural opposite), on the other hand, is the vilest form of tyranny imaginable. Not to mention that the first victim of religion-as-politics is religion itself.

80 EE  Fri, Oct 29, 2004 9:19:55am

OT. In the key battleground states of Florida and Pennsylvania, a relative handful of votes could change which way these states go, which could change which way the election goes.
I want to ask the Jewish community in Florida, and the Jewish community in Pennsylvania, to read this excellent article by Dennis Prager concerning this very important presidential election.
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

As a leader in the American Jewish community for some 30 years, I have never asked fellow Jews to vote for a presidential candidate. I have always believed hte Jews have had Jewish reasons to vote for candidates from both parties.
Not this election. There are overwhelmingly powerful Jewish reasons to vote for President Bush and equally powerful Jewish reasons not to vote for John Kerry.
To understand this, I need to explain the word "Jewish". It means two things: that which concerns Judaism and its values and that which concerns Jews as a distinct ethnic people. Whichever definition one chooses, the case for the re-election of President Bush and the rejection of John Kerry -- and of the Left, which along with radical Islam is the Jews' great enemy in our time -- is overwhelming.
Regarding the second definition, the one issue that overwhelms all others is the security of Israel. For identifying Jews, there is an acute awareness that a generation after the extermination of one out of every three Jews in the world, the Jewish state, though as small as New Jersey, is indispensable to the security of the Jewish people. Just about every Jew recognizes that if Israel had existed in 1933 or even 1938, there would not have been a Holocaust.

I will skip to a comparison of the candidates in this article by Dennis Prager.

Until now, it has not much mattered who was president. Democrat Jimmy Carter and Republican George Bush (the father) were not among Israel's greatest friends. But right now, Israel's greatest presidential friend, George W. Bush, is running for reelection against a man who, though he does not harbor Jimmy Carter's hostility to Israel, has views of the world that can only endanger Israel.
In a nutshell, John Kerry's primary foreign policy goal is to get America into the good graces of the European Union (specifically France and Germany) and the United Nations. He regards America going at it alone in the world as an American calamity.
On the other hand, George W. Bush believes that becoming populr in the Eu and in the United Nations would morally compromise America's values and ultimatedly endanger America.
Only an American president who does not place great importance on American popularity and who has a realistic view of the immorality inherent in international institutions such as the World Court and the U.N. will stand behind Israel. Nearly all the world's governments are prepared to abandon Israel because of their dependence on Arab oil or their fears of their Muslim population and the threat of Islamic terror.
George W. Bush marches to the beat of the drummer who asks,"What is right?" and not to the beat of the many drummers who ask, "What is popular?"

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