There's going to be a chilling wind blowing through edumacated college circles, shortly. The liberals are NOT going to allow their college castles to fall to evil Republican thought waves.

This isn't a good time for a conservative professor to, quote, "come out of the closet."

I think all the edumacated liberals remain in captivity on college campuses.

While this is completely irrelevant, and even insulting, the real comparison is the spread between Bush and Kerry:

Postgraduate education -6
College graduate (no postgrad) +16
Some college +12
High school or less education -8

Life is like a box of chocolates...

Well, well, well. What do we have here?

Bet none of the degrees were in journalism.

LMAO!

Hind damn!

Lots o dem edgemecated people voted for Bush!

What doesn't square for me, though, is that everyone here is always slagging the leftist universities and professors for contributing to the demise of common sense in America. Yet more educated people have turned toward Bush?

You can't have it both ways.

Interesting.
I also recall reading somewhere that the GOP made large gains in Atheist voters, as well — another point that belies the "only evangelicals voted for Bush!!!1" argument.

And I'll bet those post-graduate degrees aren't in pomo nonsense.

oh my god--and here i thought i was just some dumbshit hillbilly yahoo--damn-- i really needed that gallup validation otherwise my self identity might have disintegrated--wolfowitz ackbah--strauss be upon him

#7 Semper Infidel

What doesn't square for me, though, is that everyone here is always slagging the leftist universities and professors for contributing to the demise of common sense in America. Yet more educated people have turned toward Bush?

You can't have it both ways.

Maybe we can. Perhaps this is evidence that the tide is turning. Not turned, mind you, but turning.

#7--semper infi--its called "independent study" homey--sheesh

RICH WHITE MEN vote for BUSHITLER big newsflash...Grr...sputter...headspin...

On a more rational note, its kinda funny that the post grads and the high school drop outs have similar numbers. Actually its very funny.

Since we're much too smart to fall for the Bush rhetoric, that evil genius Karl Rove must have used secret mind control techniques on us.

Not only that, but the highest percentages were for people who have at least some college, unlike the head-in-the-sand libs who claim otherwise.

For the record: I'm a Southerner, a military software engineer, a bit ahead in the promotions game in a field where promotions are hard to come by, have a little college under my belt, consider myself fairly well read and informed, and am lucky enough to be married to a well-travelled history buff with a penchant for politics. The above-linked article (The unteachable ignorance of the red states) is the most personally offensive piece of filth I have ever read in my entire life.

I no longer care if the libs whine and cry. Boo-freaking-hoo.

Take your elitism and shove it up your ass.

I guess that's my "taste for violence" showing itself again...

58% of college grads voted for Bush, yep all those people sound like dumb nawnedjumakatid hicks to me. /Dealing with all the stupid IQ bs in Boston which according to this study is pretty much a farce

#14 sonofsheldon

Since we're much too smart to fall for the Bush rhetoric, that evil genius Karl Rove must have used secret mind control techniques on us.

"The force has a strong effect on the weak-minded."

#5

With all due respect to those with "liberal arts" degrees...

These are not really degrees. It wont get you a Job and people are not any smarter after they graduate. Even if someone DOES find a job in that field, it provides nothing for human advancement, it does nothing improve productivity. All they do is make you doubt your own ideals, religion, morality and view on life. That is all I can remember from my liberal arts classes.

Same goes for Polysci. They are essentially degrees in Bullshit and the classes serve as a conversion mosques for communist ideals... I have a sibling who is always forced to watch “communist strife” movies in her class.

I just found this gem here, a liberal that almost gets it:

Was the classic liberal refrain a copout? Do we murmur about complexity because we are incapable of simplifying? Or afraid to be bold and decisive? Are we perhaps so good at being open-minded and tolerant and making excuses for everyone, including ourselves, that we have forgotten to uphold principles that cannot be compromised?

And the answer (drum roll please ...)

Well, maybe.

#13 Canadian Refugee

It is amusing, I guess.

Over-educated morons and high school dropouts for Kerry!

#14 sonofsheldon:

Since we're much too smart to fall for the Bush rhetoric, that evil genius Karl Rove must have used secret mind control techniques on us.

Funny you should mention that...

Magical Election Tampering: SHUT IT DOWN!

Gods-damn it! The f*cking Republicans have got Magical help pumping out a clear, unified, focused broadcast, and you can be sure, every sensitive is picking it up. These are the people most likely to vote Kerry, and I'd like to think they are resolute enough not to be swayed by telepathic subliminal advertising, but it's such a rarely-done thing, and so few people are properly trained these days, that I fear it will be more effective. Just watch and see who says "I was going to vote for Kerry, but for some reason I changed my mind at the last minute."

Who would be doing this for them? Gee, who are the Mages driving around in those black Mercedes and Lincolns with the tinted windows? The ones who live in the mansions with the hell-hounds in the yard and the 7-foot tall hairless black doormen? Every town has some, the bigger the town, the more of these "High Magi" you will find.

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

I'm looking for a link to a Boston Globe article about a book written by an Ivy League big wig that claimed George Bush was laying the foundation's of a plan on a grand scale by changing American "Doctrine".

It was a very compelling argument. And I'm drawing a blank and CAN'T FIND IT. Grrr.

Evariste said he was putting it on his "to read" list. Help.

A few years ago, I saw a suggestion in the National Review that the most skewed-democratic demographic was women Phds. It urged us to go marry them as married women PhDs vote like all of their married sisters. So I did.

And while it has definitely improved my life -- and my wife is measurably more conservative than when we started courting-- it did not, alas, improve her vote.

Answer:

"Twits, nit-wits, hollywood glitz and total shits."

Question:

"What was Kerry's main source of support."

Hiyo!

Where are the stats for felons and other ignorami who are such an integral part of the Democratic coalition of the swilling?

Educated people voted for President Bush? But he's 'Chimpy-Hitler.'

/Channeling Michael Moore

what the study doesn't say is that the 42% of college educated kerry voters majored in "critical studies" and read howard zinn's " a people's history of the united states" and paul krugman's "the great unraveling-losing our way in the new century"--garbage in--garbage out

#27 Ratbert

Please don't. The 'Bush=Hitler' bullshit is now aired primetime on French TV. Any more and I'm gonna puke.

#20 Thom

Lots or room for mischief,

eg.
Married Male Professors and Townie Women for Kerry!

Off Topic

Low turnout at the supposedly national rally against racism and anti-semitism in Paris

I've come to the conclusion that the result of the election was determined by how different people make decisions - by logic or through emotions. The Dubya supporters use logic, the Kerry supporters use emotions.

The wild accusations against Bush by Kerry, Dean, Kennedy, Harkin, Moore, and others just made me vote a straight Republican ticket. I don't think I'm alone in this. LLL's just seem to have knee-jerk emotional reactions to things.

Very intersting basis for research, I think.

People who depend on the parasitic Socialism University professor and Lawyers vote for Kerry people, who work hard in free enterprise system vote for Bush. University graduate in the free market system realize the lies of University Professor.

#22 Geepers
A scholar argues that Bush's doctrine of preemption has deep roots in American history

#8 dr dog

Being an atheist doesn't mean you are against all the moral issues addressed in an election. Atheists can still have very strong senses of what is the right path to take and be pro life. My husband and I are agnostics, but Kerry's basic dishonesty and pandering turned us off completely. We would prefer to have separation of church and state, but unless religion becomes more intrusive in secular areas than it is now, we won't vote against the more moral candidate. We are also pro choice, but we are against abortion after the first trimester. If the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, we would be disappointed, but we could live with it. We aren't going to vote for someone without integrity, integrity, integrity!

If you have a friend who is a (possibly overeducated) lib, invite the friend on a trip to the range with you. If they go, chances are they will enjoy it. If they enjoy it, chances are they'll be back. And then, chances are ... they'll stop being a lib. This was the beginning of my own escape from moonbathood, thanks to a sensible and well-armed friend in grad school. One more reason the LLL want to ban guns.

#22 geepers--the book you are thinking about is "surprise, security and the american experience" by john gaddis--professor at yale--america's most preeminent cold war historian and no neocon iron in the fire--thinks bush doctrine has made a huge historical and beneficient paradigm shift in american foreign policy

#28 HULUGU  

what the study doesn't say is that the 42% of college educated kerry voters majored in "critical studies" and read howard zinn's " a people's history of the united states" and paul krugman's "the great unraveling-losing our way in the new century"--garbage in--garbage out

Yup.

Not to shabby for an 'idjee-ot'...

That french, commie Jew Hating bastard, John Moore is always reminding his listeners that lefties and liberals are so much beter educated and more intelligent than the dumb sister-breeders who vote Republican or Conservative.

I don't think he is any relation to his Fatness, but I'm sure he'd love to be.

The little french turd is on CFRB radio in Toronto.

#7 Semper Infidel

That's an interesting point.

My own view is that (until FOX News) the only representation of academic intellectualism in the media was decidedly left and politically correct. Views from the right were presented as unsophisticated. This is much like the way "Meathead's" opinions were presented compared to "Archie Bunker's" opinions in the 70s sitcom, "All In The Family."

Also, when school is over and it's time to work in the real world, much of the revisionist history and politically correct bias presented in the classroom is found to be what it is -- Meathead nobility.

So, in summary, you have to kiss Meathead's ass in school, and then work, buy food, pay rent, and support your family like Archie did when you get out.

#30

May your sister's moustache be cursed.

J.D. (#35),

[bows and bows again]

Thank you Link Goddess, Thank you.

:-)

I'm still buzzed from Tue/Wed folks. For me, I'm a little bit of a learned man plus a post-graduate in the school of hard knocks etc. These numbers are great and I was also glad to see that 66% of Veterans voted for W!!! Could have been higher but atleast Veterans day came early this year on Nov 2nd. The DEM's didn't hear the "thunder" coming of which I have been posting on other boards and did come through for W Tuesday.

Gee, I thought it was just white, buck-toothed, inbred, gun-waving, backward, stoopid Ahmerikun trailer trash that voted for Bush.

#46 Gabba Gabba Hey

Gee, I thought it was just white, buck-toothed, inbred, gun-waving, backward, stoopid Ahmerikun trailer trash that voted for Bush.

You are correct. I *did* vote for Bush.

OT

Quote of the day from Lt. Col Mike Ramos USMC outside Fallujah:

"If I see someone who looks like a martyr, driving at high speed toward my unit, I'll send him to Allah before he gets close," Ramos said.

Full Article Here

#32 Patrizio

Low turnout at the supposedly national rally against racism and anti-semitism in Paris

That was good news, despite the 'death to the Jews' chants.

Hi. My name's Eugene and I'm a moonbat.

[Lizardoid audience: "Hi Eugene!"]

It's been four years since I last voted for a liberal.

[Polite lizardoid applause.]

I can remember the first time I voted for a liberal. I was very young, and I hit it hard: I voted for George McGovern.

[Gasps. Empathetic nods.]

At first, it was exciting. I remember the thrill of doing something stupid and dangerous, and the solidarity I felt with my new "friends". I loved the feel of living in an alternate reality. It made me feel superior and invulnerable.

The next thing I knew, I was voting for liberals for more and more offices: town selectmen; state legislators; governor; even library trustees. But it was the big parties where I really lost it. The next thing I knew, I was voting for Carter, Mondale, even Dukakis.

["Jeezus..."]

But then I hit rock bottom. I still find this hard to talk about. I have actually voted for...for...

["Take your time, man. We've all been there!"]

I have actually voted for Ted Kennedy. Multiple times.

["Aw, man, now that's just SICK! I ain't listening to anymore of of this crap..."
"SHUSH! Can't you see he's trying to deal with it?!"]

You've gotta understand: growing up in Massachusetts, this kind of behavior was considered NORMAL. Everybody did it. I mean, you would actually have entire families go to the polling place together and vote for Ted Kennedy. At the same time.

["I'm gonna throw up..."]

But last week, I passed my biggest test. I went into the booth, and there was Kerry's name. It would have been so easy to vote for him. Nobody would know. But I didn't. I didn't even want to, and that was the best part of it. I didn't even come close to caving in. I voted for Bush, and then I voted for every other Republican on the ballot. And with God's help, I'll never vote for another liberal again!

[Polite applause.]

#44 Geepers
There's more!

The Boston Globe -- the respected, liberal newspaper owned by the New York Times -- ran an article last week that Bush critics might wish to read carefully. It is a report on a new book that argues that President Bush has developed and is ably implementing only the third American grand strategy in our history.

The author of this book, "Surprise, Security, and the American Experience" (Harvard Press), which is to be released in March, is John Lewis Gaddis, the Robert A. Lovett professor of military and naval history at Yale University. The Boston Globe describes Professor Gaddis as "the dean of Cold War studies and one of the nation's most eminent diplomatic historians." In other words, this is not some put up job by an obscure right-wing author. This comes from the pinnacle of the liberal Ivy League academic establishment. ...

George W. Bush -- grand strategist
:-D

Look, every single time an LLL tells you only stupid uneducated rednecks voted for Bush, just remind them of this statistic:

58 percent of college educated Americans voted for Bush.

The debate ends right there, but you can also add that the vast majority of uneducated felons voted for Kerry, just for good measure. ;)

One should hear the LLL in Canaduh going on about the American "idiots" who voted for Bush. Of course those hurling insults are the same sheep that voted the fiberal government in yet again.

Help! I am surrounded by asshats.

#46 Gabba Gabba Hey, Hey Susan Estrich does not wave a gun; otherwise I'm pretty sure she voted for sKerry.

#42 pallmall RE: Meathead "nobility" vs. Archie Bunker sensibility

I see your point. When I was doing grad work in linguistics at CUNY Grad Center, I didn't pay much mind to politics, but it was pretty apparent where most stood, to read the flyers and posters that were around.

But most people get out of grad school eventually. How could these people still influence things? Even journalists are out there, too, earning their nickel.

Wait a second. Just what did those upstanding, highly erudite people study in college?

Black Hair URB101
Eat My Apple LIT265
'Everyone Poops' & the Death of Commerce LIT105
The James Joyce Dictionary: Gurhmbinglilelilala LIT106
The Disney Fascists: Mickey Mussolini PHI206
The Elephant Is Neutered: The Impending Fall of Reason and the Rise of Love PHI207
Economics 101
Love Your Neighbor: Adultury Through the Ages HIS105
Love Your Children: Pederasty and Christmas HIS106
Norwegian Feminist Pottery & Quantum Uncertainty PHI 203
Santa Is Dead: Existentialism and Christmas PHI 215
God is Gay PHI600
Nostrodamus ANT101
J.R.R. Tolkein and the Revolution LIT576
The Sado-Masochistic Dr. Seuss LIT101
The Homosexual Dr. Seuss LIT102
Mandelic Fingerpainting ART300
Zen Non-Mind No Me: Erase Your Mind Through Meditation PHI700
Yassir Arafat as Shakespearean Hero SOC400
I Know You Are But What Am I? A Dialectic For Debate ENG134
No Right Answer: Mathematics for Teachers MAT101
Nothing Exists: Science For Teachers SCI101
Cult! Orgies! Advertising BUS101
Hate Profit BUS102
The Governmental Role of Welcoming the Stranger ECO500

I reckon I wouldn't want to brag about these people supporting me if I were Bush.

PS: Several of these courses are real. See if you can tell which are my own bullshit.

#52 Phil. 11/7/2004 10:04AM PST

but you can also add that the vast majority of uneducated felons voted for Kerry, just for good measure.

This makes me curious. Anyone have any good numbers for the felon vote. Felon exit polls?

I'm still somewhat mad at Gallup because of their decision to allocate 90% of the undecided voters in their final poll (49B-49K).

If they had allocated half to each candidate, the poll would have been 50 (~51)B-48K.

#56 pookleblinky

economics 101 is definitely bullshit

Thank you HULUGU, may your pile of skulls grow ever higher.

Surprise, Security, and the American Experience

And the first review commenter's observation is brilliant:

no play in the media.

Now why is it that all those pseudo-intellectuals who whine about how no one is talking about the "issues" refuse to discuss the big issues?

#46, Gabba Gabba Hey

Isn't it nice to know that the domographic you mentioned, voted overwhelmingly Kerry.

High School OR LESS... 56 % for Kerry.

After 20+ years of corporate life, much of it spent developing and delivering training, I recently went back for another post grad degree, only to find that teaching methods haven't changed much over the years. The professors still draw sloppy illustrations and illegible formulas by hand that you have to recreate while trying to listen at the same time, instead of using modern tools like Power Point. They test you over things they didn't cover and grade on a rediculous curve.
70% = an A? The grading is so subjective you have to be extremely careful not to piss off the proffessor.
It seems that a lot of the academics are more interested in research grants and pimping their textbooks than actually teaching the students something. I can certainly see how someone can be completely worthless in real life and still do well in college. Looking at the recent crop of interns really confirms this.
My wife got help on a paper from a relative that has a phd in English and still got a C. My point being that an education doesn't always equate to intelligence.
That being said, I seriously doubt that Ashton Kutcher, John BonJovi, Sean Penn, Bruce Springsteen, Babs, Madonna, the Dixie Chicks, Jeaneane Garafollo, the anarchists, hippies, nudists, communists, etc... really meet the lefts standard of 'educated'. If they keep insulting us, it will be avery long time before a Democrat makes the Whitehouse.

OT

but per blogger A Fly On The Wall, here's the name of George Clooney's website. Gee, Georgie, no comments page?

www.bushatrocity@journalspace.com

Have fun.

(sorry I couldn't post the link as I am stoopid)

#58 TheBurbs

Anyone have any good numbers for the felon vote. Felon exit polls?

All I could find was:

Trisha Takanowa: "You've just broken out of prison, what are you going to do now?"
Criminal: "I'm gonna go bang my girlfriend, and then I'm gonna KILL Chris Griffin!"

OT Nominee for the Darwin Award

Moron of the week

Apparently, an anti-nuclear activist has lost his legs after a train in Avricourt drove over them. He had tried to stop the train by chaining himself to the tracks. Are there any partial Darwin Awards too?

This via Belmont Club. Thanks to Mr. Pol.

#50 Eugene McGovern 11/7/2004 10:03AM PST

THAT was funny !

#39--daybrother--sorry--i should have also included edward said's "orientalism" and a minor in postcolonial studies for some international guilt--plus reading the guardian, the new york times and maureen dowd's and robert fisk's columns over morning herbal tea and tofu

Dims are so open-minded, that their brains fell out. Was listening to Golden oldies on radio yesterday while driving and I heard : "are you going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair, there's going to be a love in there" etc. etc. I guess nothing has changed..

Dims are forever gaining knowledge, but lacking in wisdom. When will they ever learn? With their contempt and arrogance intact, it could take a long time.

All that to say, these stats won't get any dem elected. Look in the mirror, humble yourselves, ask for forgiveness, and change. You are in the minority.

Chomsky has half the lefties dazed and confused. They pretend they can make sense of his unhinged screeds.

One other comment:

The Gallup results are at variance with the AP/ABC?NBC/CBS/CNN/FoxNews-Exit Poll:

TOTAL (% of voters) 2004 % change from 2000

No High School (4%) 49% +10

H.S. Graduate (22%) 52% +3

Some College (32%) 54% +3

College Graduate (26%) 52% +1

Postgrad Study (16%) 44% +0

#65 RedinLa

That link looks like a cross between a web address and an e-mail address.

Try again! I'd love to send a "love letter" to that head-bobbin-perennially-cool-Frank-Sinatra-channel er.

My message: Hey George, I thought we told you to Fuck off on November 2nd. Why don't you worry about your next bomb of a movie, instead of giving me my political advice. I'm handling it just fine -- Buh Bye...

MRDUCKS
MRNOTDUCKS
OSAR
CDEDBDWINGS
LILB
MRDUCKS

I guess this hopelessly dim, religious fanatic, flag-waving moron, idiot and obviously mentally deficient hayseed from the mid-west who follishly cast his vote for the President is in some pretty hoity toidy company. I had no idea I could be included with intellectuals.

Sorry to go so completely off topic.

U.S. Military Seals Off Fallujah

A U.S. statement said that in accordance with the emergency decree, which the Iraqi government announced earlier Sunday, the Army's 1st Cavalry Division 2nd Brigade Combat Team "isolated Fallujah and all traffic is being halted."

The statement added that U.S. forces were "finishing final preparations for an assault on Fallujah."

Commanders Give Marines Pep Talk in Iraq

Standing before some 2,500 Marines who stood or kneeled at his feet, Lt. Gen. John F. Sattler, the commanding general of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, told them that they would be at the front of the charge.

"This is America's fight," Sattler said. "What we've added to it is our Iraqi partners. They want to go in and liberate Fallujah. They feel this town's being held hostage by mugs, thugs, murderers and terrorists."

Two Marine battalions, along with a battalion from the Army's 1st Infantry Division, will be the lead units sent into a Fallujah attack. They will be joined by two brigades of Iraqi troops.

"God bless you, each and every one. You know what your mission is. Go out there and get it done," Sattler said.

Amen. May G-d watch over them. I'm nervous as hell.

#67 Applesweet

The Darwins are awarded for making oneself unable to procreate. Thus: death, accidental neutering with a coffee grinder, putting oneself into a coma, etc.

Any Liberals want to volunteer?

GREAT, GREAT, RED/BLUE MAP

For those annoying people who were complaining that the County Maps did not take into consideration the population of each county, look at this Map/Graphic

Hat tip: Polipundit

Zulubaby

RE: Chomsky's inscrutability

That may be true as far as his politics go, but in linguistics , Chomsky is nothing short of brilliant.

Why he is so twisted politically, I don't know. I've always suspected father issues myself.

#55 Semper Infidel

But most people get out of grad school eventually. How could these people still influence things? Even journalists are out there, too, earning their nickel.

They influence things by circular reference. To "earn their nickel," the journalists (who are for the most part, IMHO, decidedly Meatheads) quote the academics to lend credibility to their reporting on a subject which they know nothing about. This press attention elevates the media *esteem* of the quoted academic intellectual as an intellectual, which in turns makes future quotes more credible to the media.

#57 song_and_dance_man

This would be true if one listened only to the MSM 'voice'.

You're right. Talk radio and the "new media" are excellent methods of voicing ideas.

#50 Eugene McGovern

Have you ever considered moving from Massachusetts to America ?

It could help you. We have good shrinks who can make you feel like new, as if you had been ALIVE all the time of your life.

I was a history major. I studied the Soviets. And that made me a conservative, and taught me everything I needed to know about politics.

I am not surprised that the educated went for Bush. If you know your history, you know that waiting for evil to see reason is a bad idea. Reason is a wonderful thing, but not backed by the willingness to use force, it's useless.

The last question is, when are the Dems going to figure out that the last thing they should do is say that religious people are stupid? In case they hadn't noticed, they're insulting a large segment of their base.

One of the problems the old stream media is having is they can no longer caption pictures like this as:

Iraqi soldiers are trained to humiliate orphans at illegal occupation check points while US Soldiers look on and laugh

without getting their asses fact-checked sliced and diced and handed to them on a platter.

Don't write off academia as people who can't be reasoned with. I'm a college professor. In my field (economics) everyone was very liberal in the 1960's. Since then conservatives have been steadily increasing as a fraction of the faculty. We are still a minority, but not a small one. Look at Harvard. N. Gregory Mankiw is Bush's Council of Ecnomic Advisors chairman and a full professor at Harvard. Quite a few other Harvard economics professors supported Bush. This is true at the other top Universities as well.

I have to agree with SemPer Infidel. Chomsky is a freaking genius in his field. In fact, until early 2003 - when I first came upon this site - I actually admired him.

However, he is an unhinged barking moonbat when he applies his intellect to politics.

Stick to what you are good at, Chimpsky.

something to throw at the ravers who insist only morons could have voted for Bush.

i take offense to that. i'm a dj and ex-raver. i guess that means even the moonbats are converting!!!

heh ;)

(Les raises hand)

Atheist Bush voter!

Semper Infidel (#79)

That may be true as far as his politics go, but in linguistics , Chomsky is nothing short of brilliant.

Which is why he should stick with linguistics.

Traveler

Sorry 'bout that:

www.bushatrocity.journalspace.com

see, told you I was stoopid...

#51 - having a grand strategy is not intrinsically a good thing. Hitler and Lenin both had grand strategies*.

We will know in another 20 years or so whether Bush's grand strategy was a good one or a bad one.

*I am not suggesting any sort of moral equivalency between Bush and Hitler/Lenin. I am merely using them as a logical construct.

Thank you for sharing, recovering moonbat Eugene McGovern. Admitting you have had a problem is the first step toward recovery. :-D

I'm a grad school dropout, so it doesn't surprise me that the majority of those with those with master's and PhD's voted for Kerry. Only moonbats can stomach grad school lit courses these days - the crap I heard in grad school on a daily basis made me retch.

I expect that those with post-grad degrees who voted for Bush include many MD's and hard science folks who are working in private business as opposed to universities. Although, as someone who works with doctors, I have found there are as many liberal MD's as conservatives. Interestingly enough, I've found a definite breakdown by specialty: The radiologists and anesthesiologists I know tend to be Republicans; shrinks and pediatricians are probably the most liberal. Can't generalize about OB's or internists or surgeons.

...and I keep proving it with every post...

I linked through aflyonthewalldotblogspotdotcom where it posts the site and allows you to link to bushatrocitydotjournalspacedotcom...what I posted above doesn't do that. Sorry...AGAIN...

I thought that the initial tone of the Democrats would be conciliatory following their embarassing defeat at the ballot box, but I've honestly yet to see one showing any humility or introspection. It's all "Republicans are stupid, racist, homophobic rednecks!"

They're only entrenching themselves as the minority party for at least the next 20 years.

...ok, I am really ticking myself off here...it's raining and I'm in LA so I cannot function, obviously...

aflyonthewall is a journalspace site...so it is aflyonthewalldotjournalspacedotcom...

...I will be signing off now as it's 5pm somewhere and I think drinks are in order.

Polls are going to be scrutinized and turned inside out to figure out what happened, and what might happen next time. Out of all the breakdowns I've heard though, hasn't been a whisper about the Arab or Muslim vote. Anyone seen stats on this?

#78 SouthAmericanWay

That is a great map. The scale might be a little off (I didn't know that the Chicago area had 10 or so times the population of NYC area, for example.) But the idea comes through quite well.

#79 semper fi--puhleeze--i don't want to ot this thread but let's just say there are many highly accredited academics who think there is a large scale irrelevancy to chomsky's tgg linguistic calculations based on innate structures and his theories are silly illogical outmoded speculation having as much scientific relevancy as lysenko did to genetics--so please no uncritical kudos to a certain tenured wealthy anti-american anarcho syndicalist who wears cute v neck sweaters and should gay marry george soros in a monastery of their own choosing--preferably in bulgaria

hornet wrote:

are you going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair, there's going to be a love in there"

Well, actually things have changed. The Palis and LLL's who have attacked Jews and Republican students at SFSU and the anarchists Zombie photographed burning an effigy of Bush weren't wearing flowers in their hair.

I'm sure not seein' much evidence of a "love-in" in San Fran these days, unless it's a love-in between Islamonuts and moonbats.

zulubaby,

Which is why he should stick with linguistics.

I don't know, the angel hair pasta salad is pretty good too.

#93 Model 4

I think I read on NRO that Muslims broke something like 93% to 6% for Kerry. I don't know if that was the right site, but it's a place to start, and I'd say it was the Kerry Spot.

be sure to wear some flowers in your hair, there's going to be a love in there

More like a vomit in.

#98 Donna V.

Tell me about it. When we were out Protest Warrioring on Wednesday night, it was mostly to vile insults.

San Francisco is going to hell, if it hasn't gotten there already.

#84 chris5615

I agree. I am a conservative college professor (as it would seem you are) and I can assure you (and the rest) that students aren't buying the left-wing &^%$ foisted upon them. They may not speak up in class due to a probaby realistic fear of its effect on their grades, but they know the score (take a look at noindoctrination.org sometime).

Chomsky is brilliant in his field (I was exposed to some of his work as a phd student) but, as others posting here have noted, he should stick to what he knows...

all in all, i'm optimistic about the future. the students at the rock-the-vote, hollywood, moore etc. events may get the media's attention, but there are one helluva lot of conservative students out there to carry on in the future. and for the ones who aren't yet conservative, remember Churchill's thought (paraphrasing): Anyone under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and anyone over 30 who is not a conservative has no brain.

#90--think once--hey clinton had a grand strategy too--get power--get head--light up a cigar

Semper Infidel (#79)

Chompsky's brilliance in linguistics is to find the wordiest path to "doubleplusgood". The end effect is the same; Complex thought processess are dulled by the use of linguistic formulas that only have binary meanings. If he was so brilliant at linguistics, his conclusions wouldn't be so nutty. He just talks himself silly. Unless you have a better argument to offer than
"He really smart"

#99--geepers--lol--do you like your linguistics with red or white clam sauce--abbondanza di mangia homey!!

dont_think_twice (#90),

It all depends on what your Grand Strategy is.

ON THE SIDE OF THIS TOPIC:

I HAVE TWO KIDS IN A CAMPUS AND THEY ARE RECEIVING THIS EMAIL FROM THEIR PROFESSORS
(I HAVE SAID PROFESSORS)
IT'S HILARIOUS:

Subject: NON-class related Day of mourning

> >Subject: Fwd: Fw: A day of mourning at XXX (UNIVERSITY)
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I am writing this email to propose that Tuesday, November 9, 2004
be
> > >>considered a day of mourning at XXX (UNIVERSITY).
> > >>
> > >> There are many reasons that one might feel unhappy about the
re-election
> > >> of George W. Bush. But whatever personal reason you might hold,
whatever
> > >> it is that causes you to sigh a heavy sigh, or turn your head
down,
or
> > >> weep inconsolably, I believe that it would be beneficial to all
of
us to
> > >> have a simple, communal expression of our dissatisfaction.
> > >>
> > >> This will not be a day of sadness. We have had our day(s) of
that.
Nor
> > >> will this be a day of resignation.
> > >>
> > >> Instead, it will be a day of recognition. A day to recognize
that we
lost
> > >> an attempt to affirm to the world the great qualities that this
country
> > >> can embody. A day to recognize the work that lies ahead. And it
will
be a
> > >> day to recognize our fellow concerned citizens (and
noncitizens),
and to
> > >> see that we aren't alone in our unhappiness with how the
election
> > >> unfolded.
> > >>
> > >> To this end, on November 9, 2004, all black attire or a simple
black
> > >> armband should be worn as an expression of our dissatisfaction
with
the
> > >> re-election of George W. Bush.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> For this day to be successful, it is imperative that everyone
be
aware of
> > >> it. So please forward this email to friends and colleagues, and
ask
them
> > >> to do the same. For those with friends in the undergraduate
community,
> > >> please be sure to let them know as well. XXX (UNIVERSITY) is a large
> > campus, and
> > >> it will be difficult for this to work if only a small
percentage of
the
> > >> student population is aware of it.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your consideration, and I hope we will see a field
of
black on
> > >> campus this coming Tuesday.
> > >>

CHARLES IF YOU ARE INTERESTED I HAVE THE ORIGINAL (but anyway I need to keep the kids undercover)

[Link: chrisevans3d.com...]

OT: Don't let the moonbats hijack this CNN poll - numbers currently 54% yes to 46% no. Vote now!

QUESTION OF THE WEEK
Should the Israeli government allow Yasser Arafat to be buried in Jerusalem?
Yes
No

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South American Way (#72): no inherent conflict there. I believe the figures posted by Charles refer to the two candidates' respective shares of the votes from each sub-group, while the figures you cite refer to share of each sub-group in the total voting populace. In fact, comparing the #s, it sort of reinforces Charles' original point.

However I'm not sure if we're yet seeing the most professional and serious voter surveys -- mabye (Gallup's pretty reputable), but I have a feeling the more in-depth and accurate ones aren't yet public. You can be sure that as the data gathers and the dust settles, the likes of Michael Barone will examine everything and offer up fairly solid observations.

#3 Thom

While this is completely irrelevant, and even insulting, the real comparison is the spread between Bush and Kerry:

Postgraduate education -6
College graduate (no postgrad) +16
Some college +12
High school or less education -8

I think what it means is that the lesser educated have difficulty reading ballots and the super educated have trouble deconstructing them.

#64 Sumgi --My thoughts exactly. I didn't do very well in college (I got good grades, but just couldn't cope). I was under the illusion that because I was paying, I was going to be treated like a customer. I mean--Neiman Marcus prices should equal Neiman Marcus customer service --no? Ok, how about a teacher who had a bit of training in how to teach?

One of the many straws that broke the camels back was the day we couldn't find our prof in the middle of class. We went searching and found him at McDonalds. I just couldn't go forward continuing to pay his salary with my tuition fees.

I am still rather naive. I just think that if you care enough about a subject to get a Phd in it, you might cultivate students who become educated to further the work in the field. Oh, I forgot, I point is not the work, but the power and prestige that come with it.

Perhaps this is why the majority of the American Public voted against the over-educated idealistic intellectual. They are as naive as I am.

Gallup's analysis

A-ha!

That's the problem right there.

When reading the line that says Gallup's analysis , one should bear in mind that GALLUP'S POLLS FAILED.

from polipundit.com:
#4 - CNN/USA Today/Gallup - CUG made predictions in 15 states, and in 12 Battleground States. CUG got 11 calls right and 4 wrong, and was off by an average of 5.33 points. Two of their final polls was the closest for that state (both in Battleground States), and none of their polls were invalidated for being more than 10 points off. In the Battleground States, CUG got 8 right and 4 wrong, and was off by an average of 5.33 points.

Never trust journalists to do even the fool's work.

#93 Phil
I thought that the initial tone of the Democrats would be conciliatory following their embarassing defeat at the ballot box, but I've honestly yet to see one showing any humility or introspection. It's all "Republicans are stupid, racist, homophobic rednecks!"

And they keep demanding the President reach out to them in the name of bi-patisanship and healing the divide. I have yet to hear any dem spokeman suggest the minority party reach out to heal the divide.

I think we have a "paradigm shift" - not with voters, with Gallup. They shifted "Moderate" to the left.

Moderate
% Voters 40
% Bush 37
% Kerry 63
Bush Advantage -26

Bush 2000 41
Bush 2004 37
%Change -4

Oh the double standard.

What the liberals really want is for people to NOT think for themselves but to take everything they say and believe is best as absolute.

They WISH everyone were dumb and ignorant so they could tell them what to believe. Since they know that isn't true, they have taken the position that 59 plus million people make "dumb" choices because of all things --their religious beliefs or moral values as if that were something to be ashamed of.

Discounting that virtues such as ethics, integrity, trust, honesty are values which someone can hold irrespective of any religion.

What they seem to be trying to imply is that only specific social issues relate to "moral values."

Sounds more like a lot of projection. They would prefer it that "middle America" was DUMB so they will just act that way and hope that middle America will accept their "dhimminitude."

110 QueenEsther

Thanks --I voted my no.

here you go !!

the election is a fraud!!

101% of the population voted according to the gallup poll!!

who are they kidding?

18 to 29 years old
13
40
60
-20

30 to 49 years old
38
57
43
+14

50 to 64 years old
26
53
47
+6

65 years and older
24
48
52
-4

adding up = 101

dear Gallup please fire someone!!

Semper Fi...talk to translators -- those folks who work with language hands-on, as opposed to those who dream about it in their offices -- about Chomsky's theories. From what I've read he's as big a phony intellectual there as he is in politics and culture. What he's brilliant at is framing the argument, and at eliciting praise from confused undergrads.

I'm curious about why high school graduates and high school dropouts were combined. If you check the link below you'll see that dropouts slightly favored Kerry, while those who finished high school favored Bush.

The two education groups that favored Kerry were those who didn't finish high school and those with postgraduate education. This shows the value of education and the danger of overeducation.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

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good job, Nancy!
***

For everyone else: Use this link for the CNN Question of the week:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Chomsky doubleplussmart

#18 RayA

With all due respect to those with "liberal arts" degrees...

These are not really degrees. It wont get you a Job...

Sigh... there was once a time, or so I'm told, when the point of education was to be educated rather than simply to get a job.

There are higher things by far than productivity.

To quote Francis Bacon: "I would live to study, not study to live."

121 Leslein

Maybe because many High School Graduates function at what used to be (30 or so years ago) a grade 9 level.

#110 QueenEsther: Actually, I prefer to leave CNN's polls alone, other than to input my opinion if I happen upon them naturally. Like to use their results to point out just how liberal CNN's audience is.

#96

Actually, pallmall, the scale is correct, because it is based in the population of each county, not of each city. That is why the "highest" tower is Los Angeles Co., while NYC is divided in each of the different counties that the consolidated city covers, including New York Co (Manhattan), Queens Co, Kings Co, etc.

A more balanced map would be one that compared the difference between the votes received by each candidate in each of the counties they won

Could someone better versed in history than I help to answer a question?

Haven't college graduates traditionally voted Republican? I've been under the impression that the trend towards the left among students has been a fairly recent occurence.

I never finished my masters in English because of the political climate--the last course I took was titled The "Discovery" of the Americas. Beware of course titles bearing quotation marks.

I could never understand why, after winning WW2, academia adapted the philosophy of the nihilists like Sartre and his ilk. The academic left took the nihilism ball and ran with it. And why? Probably just to undercut America.

I am sick to death of the Hate America crowd on the university campii.

Please, would somebody tell me what's a dhimmi?

HULUGU (#106),

abbondanza di mangia homey!!

Me ¿No Comprende, me dumb redneck. :-)

The stupid thing is, you just can't pigeon-hole people any more. My next door neighbor is the most good-old-boy corn-fed redneck you'll ever meet.
He's got three PHDs. Geology, mechanics, mining engineering.

I think I'm insulted. I got my post grad about 15 years ago. Changing out of corporate career now to go for M.D./D.O. Voting for Bush, I thought I was in the going to be in the majority? Aw shucks!!!

But, being that some of the dumbest people I've ever met have PHD behind their name, I guess there's still hope.

I have but three questions for the metropolitan geniuses in San Fran, City of the Angels (what a misnomer), and Boston folks. Why is it...

(1) Home ownership is lowest in the nation in San Fran (35%) if you're so smart? Add to the fact that the street is overrun with panhandlers, grocery pushing carts, and drug addicted transsexuals?

(2) 52% of the local residents of L.A. (City of Devil Angels) can't read a bus route? We don't seem to have that problem in backwards Oklahoma.

(3) The "Big Dig" in Boston was estimated to cost $2B originally. Now it's closer to $20B and they still can't get it done? What happened to all those brilliant civil engineers from MIT and Harvard? Oh, and why did you need an avid Bush supporter (Curt Schilling) to win the World Series?

124 Cognosus

...Sigh...since the quality of what consitutes an education has degraded due to the post war explosion of post seconday education, hoping for at least a practical benefit is the first step toward acheiving a theoretical benefit. Besides even in Bacon's day the educated were expected to apply their education to something even if it was just expertly painting a bowl full of fruit

OT: Does anyone know when we get to rape Cameron Diaz?

129

It refers to the second-class status (to put it mildly) of Jews and Christians under Islam. It has been morphed into the term "Dhimmicrats" to emphasize the Democratic tendency to be more accomodating of the Islamofacists.

I think the lyrics to "San Francisco" changed to the following after about 1975:

If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some dirt in your hair...

#18 RayA -
That reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon where the company hired a newbee with a journalism degree. His job: Rotate through the offices flapping his arms to keep the motion detectors from turning the lights off.

#129 Aquatic Cadaver Dog

Please, would somebody tell me what's a dhimmi?

Here is a good explanation:

Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, "protected people," are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race.

Source

IQ, last time I checked, 136.

Voted Bush.

Smart enough to know the country needs a good offense and defense. That's it.

Wife 138. She's smarter than me!

Voted Bush.

In a red area of a blue state no less. Also smart enough to know that in this state, our vote still counted, and although this state still went blue, we made it more red, and contributed to the popular vote.

We were constantly insulted that we would be called stupid. As well as most of our co-workers, we take offense. We can research, read, look at the issues, and it is not because we are stupid, but because we could see through all the BS. We even voted with a sense of what has happened in history, we even read history, and the greatest threat we saw was history repeating itself. We were not stupid, and yeah, moral issues are important, but not what we voted on, so I don't accept the argument that it was the "faith vote" that put Bush over the top either, because we and many others did not vote based on that.

If I hear the arguments that we are all stupid for voting for Bush one more time, I am going to scream. This little study proves we are not so dumb as the Dems would like to think.

# 133

Why?

She's just another Hollywood glamdroid.

a very interesting piece of data, something to throw at the ravers who insist only morons could have voted for Bush. In the section comparing Bush’s performance in 2000 and 2004, we discover that he made the largest gains with people who have some sort of post-graduate degree

I find the fact that majority of the 'High school or less education' public voted for Kerry and are a group where Bush gained least voters even more revealing. And only to think that MSM never mention this group of faithful "progressive" fans of Dems.

#140

Sorry I thought everyone heard her stupid comment on Oprah saying if you want rape legal then don't vote. Meaning a vote for W was a vote for rape.

I'm really disappointed Cyndi Lauper didn't weigh in. She's someone's opinion I can really respect.

Cyndi Lauper always had pretty nice hair.

What doesn't square for me, though, is that everyone here is always slagging the leftist universities and professors for contributing to the demise of common sense in America. Yet more educated people have turned toward Bush?

You can't have it both ways.

Sure you can. The profs are ultra liberals, but most students ignore them, or after they get out of college the brain washing wares off.

I wouldn't want to brag about these people supporting me if I were Bush.

I think the consensus here is that you say, "Yes sir and no sir" and you get your grade and you get out. But in the real world these people voted for Bush not "because" of these jackass curriculums but "in spite" of them.

"I would live to study, not study to live."

I personally would love to study the effects of a lifetime of constantly warm, breezy days in Hawaii with a daily Mai Tai . . . but alas this study would not be free.

There are higher things by far than productivity

So off to work I continually go to fund MY study (someday) and each and every other person's with their hand in my (Uncle Sam's) pocket.

Felon exit polls?

What I'd be more interested in is what % of graduates with degrees in science and engineering voted for Bush.

OT A little press bashing humor:

Dog Attack

Two young boys in Boston were playing basketball when one of them was attacked by a rabid Rottweiler. Thinking quickly, the other boy ripped a board off a nearby fence, wedged it into the dog's collar and twisted it, breaking the dog's neck.
A Boston Globe reporter witnessed the incident and rushed over to interview the boy. The reporter started entering data into his laptop, beginning with the headline:
''Brave Young Celtics Fan Saves Friend From Jaws of Vicious Animal.''
''But I'm not a Celtics fan,'' the little hero interjected.
''Sorry,'' replied the reporter. ''But since we're in Boston I just assumed you were.'' Hitting the delete key, the reporter began again: ''John Kerry Fan Rescues Friend From Horrific Dog Attack.''
''Wait a minute! I'm not a Kerry fan either,'' the boy responds.
The reporter said, ''I assumed everybody in this state was either for the Celtics or Kerry or Kennedy. What team or person do you like?''
''I'm a Houston Rockets fan and I really like George W. Bush,'' the boy said.
Hitting the delete key, the reporter began writing his new headline: ''Arrogant Little Conservative Right-winger Kills Beloved Family Pet...''

For all the fun-poking and snide comments the left aim at "middle-America" they just don't get it. I may not know that the capital of California is L.A. or that Columbus dicovered America in 1892, but I do know when someone is being insincere. Kerry was insincere!

From the Newsweek article Charles linked yesterday:

But at a town meeting in the Wisconsin hamlet of Spring Green in late September, the old Kerry was on full display. He rambled about, wreathed in nuance, as he puzzled then lost his audience. Seeking to be all things to all people, he tried to be empathetic about rising college tuition. He earnestly told the crowd that he knew how hard it was to find the right financial options because he had two children and three stepchildren. His audience, mostly farmers and laborers and small businessmen, audibly laughed at him. Kerry was married to a billionaire, right? What did he know about making ends meet?

It's not that hard to figure out that the reason college education costs rise, (what 700% faster than inflation?), has little to do with the economy and everything to do with self-importance and is a problem caused by liberals.

#17 dbdukes
So is he Obi Rove or Darth Rove? I get so confused.

#21 Rock
Oy vey!!!

#18

I have a degree in English, and I don't feel like my degree was a waste of time. Yeah, sure, I had to put up with all the crazy liberals in my department, but they never brainwashed me over to the dark side. If anything, it made me stronger, as I had to debate these people when they made assinine statements.

If we don't learn about literature and therefore, history, then we are doomed to repeat past mistakes. I don't know what could be more important. Also, I took plenty of courses in business, math, and computers. Just because I don't have a degree in engineering or business doesn't mean that I don't contribute to society.

I understand what you meant by that statement, but trust me, there are plenty of people with liberal arts degrees who were smart enough to vote W, including me!

#79

Chomsky's linguistic abilities fall far short of brilliance. See references:

Postal, P.M. (2004). Skeptical Linguistic Essays. New York: Oxford University Press. (available online here)
Sampson, G. (1997). Educating Eve. London: Continuum.
Seuren, P. A. M. (1998). Western Linguistics. Oxford, England: Blackwell.

Two more in press/preparation:
Levine, R. D. and Postal, P. M. (in preparation). The Intellectually Corrupt Linguistics of Avram Noam Chomsky. (can find a chapter in The Anti-Chomsky Reader by Collier and Horowitz).
Seuren, P. A. M. (in press). Chomsky's Minimalism. New York: Oxford University Press.

Many more articles in Science, The Economist, etc. point out how the linguistics community is starting to seriously question this "intellectual's" work in linguistics.

He is, as Camille Paglia called him, "an intellectual fascist."

I think the differences from the 2000 election are interesting.

Almost across the board, in every measurable segment of society Bush gained a few percentage points over Kerry/Gore...

He even gained 3% among liberal voters, about the same percent he gained among everyone else.

There were only two groups he lost a significant portion of from 2000 to 2004:

self indentified "moderates" -4% (as opposed to liberals!!!)

and rural voters(!) -6%

There was a smaller percent of young voters as well, but since there was a huge youth "get out the vote" campaign by the democrats, I suspect that the same number of young people voted for Bush this time than last time, but were overwhelmed in percentages by new signups.

Doesn't that all seem backward? Everyone possible catagory of people voted more for Bush this time (and evengellical Christians were only average in this regard), but the reddest part of "fly over" country - the rural areas, were LESS red this time.

Liberals voted more for Bush just like everyone else! But "moderates" tipped back to Kerry? Huh?

By the way the measure of tipping in battle-ground states: +2% for Bush over 2000.

#159 Rayra- imagine if this strategy worked!

News from the Future:

August 2011- Presidential Candidate Jack Smith (R-IL) has adopted a presidential campaign platform consisting of just four planks:
1. Murder is bad.
2. Rape is bad.
3. Robbery is bad.
4. Incest is bad.
Known around the country as the "I hate rape" candidate, Smith handily beat opponent Bill Brawling (D-LA) by 99.99 percent in a recent Gallup poll.

Remarking on this phenomenom, one Smith supporter said, "It's easy. Brawling can't come out and copy our platform. For the sake of opposition, he had to adopt a pro-rape platform. The American people have to choose between a guy who panders for votes by 'leaking' his home-made snuff films, and a guy who solidly opposes rape. The choice is simple."

Continued on page 45A...

By the way, since Bush lost votes among "moderates" (but gained among "liberals"), you can't entirely say that he won this vote in the middle.

Gotta say folks, I am a Ivy-League educated Ph.D. multilingual (duh, did I spell it right?) gal, born and bred in NYC who voted Bush!

But shucks, according to the Daily Mirror here in the UK, I still don't know how the world works.

Do you know they say "reckon" here in England for "I think," and add syllables to words as in "sledging" for "sledding?"

I got news for you, not all Englishmen are well-spoken and they certainly ain't all that bright!

#161 Crazy Ivan

just catching up here...away from my desk.

Regarding Chomsky as brilliant in linguistics does not mean anything other than that I regard Chomsky as brilliant in linguistics. I could cite sources contrary to yours. So what? I guess you think I'm minimizing his twisted thinking on foreign policy. I am not. Being brilliant in linguistics does not give you a free pass, nor does having a demented view of the United States equate with, well, dementia.

155 Griffon

Thanks for that. Reading that paper every morning for the past year has resulted in Cheerio spews all over the kitchen. My wife won't let me read it with my mouth full anymore.

I await Editorial Page Editor Renee Loth to follow-up with a hand-wringing column about the dangers of fence pickets, and her winged monkey Ombudsman Christine Chinlund to explain how the reporter, although skewing the facts just the teensiest bit, should be praised for getting his grammar correct.

My husband is an MD. I'm a CPA with an MBA in finance. We both voted for Bush.

Many on this thread have wondered for whom MDs vote. The answer is, it just depends on personality. Most of our physician friends are liberals because my husband is a cancer specialist (a touchy-feely world).

I worked for a group of heart surgeons a few years ago; they were mostly Republican. It seems like the surgeons are conservative because of their inherent personalities (i.e., factual, non-emotional, quick decision makers). The medicine docs tend to be liberal, because they are more "free-form"...lots of thinking, hypothesizing, "lets try this drug and see what happens", etc.

The bottom line (nerdy accountant speak) is that smart people vote both ways. The difference, as someone noted earlier, has to do with whether a person makes decisions from the heart or from the head. I find that my liberal friends tend to be overly emotional. My conservative friends are much more fact-driven.

What doesn't square for me, though, is that everyone here is always slagging the leftist universities and professors for contributing to the demise of common sense in America. Yet more educated people have turned toward Bush?

What you are apparently not getting is that lots and lots of Americans go to college and get a good education. The few who never grow up and leave the campus are often the 'dregs' who could never make it out in the real world.

So we're left in a situation where the capable, clueful people move on in life, and our youth are surrendered to the career misfits and losers who never managed to go out and get a life.

I started college in 1999 and finished in 2003, I am 39 now.

The problem is most of these professors are professional students, and don't have a grip on what the real world is like. I had many professors who would openly bash America and it's policy.

The area where you have problems is the the younger kids who are starstruck and believe evey syllable that comes out of these professors mouths. The people in my class like myself who had actually seen the world and had some perspective could call bullshit on them much to their chagrin LOL.

#169 Puck35

Thanks for your thoughful reply.

It's a little odd for me to be responded to as a troll, but I appreciate your explaining a bit. I guess I just never regarded people in grad school as losers. It was kind of competitive. I've always regretted not finishing my PhD.

Most liberal art University Professor teach 6 hours for 20 week of the year a week a write research papers nobody read and they make $150,000 in total benefits. In real life most of then do not have the common sense to work at 7-11.

#72 brings up a good point.

Why should Gallup's pre-election polling numbers be preferred to the exit polling numbers? They shouldn't.

Bottom line: you can't use the exit poll 'vote by education' numbers to make the case that Bush voters are less educated that Kerry voters. And when you look at individual states, that is especially true in Ohio and Florida, where the race was won.

But then again, libs don't let the facts get in the way of statements they'd like to be true.

#160 Kooky -and the other edumacated

Can you pleez explain something to me? How come we keep hearing the statement "Guns kill people"? If I had written that in any paper in high school, it would have been an automatic "F". Yet, I have a friend who is an English teacher who actually believes it!

I have a Master's degree as does my husband, mother, father, brother and husband's father. I cannot tell you how annoyed I get when they refer to me as an uneducated conservative because I voted for Bush. As a matter of fact, we all voted for Bush!

#86 Randian: you're right, many former "party people" are waking up, politically. That does not mean they don't party anymore, it just means that they don't blindly get swept up in leftist movements. They are, in a sense, typical conservative libertarians, they want to be left alone to do what they want to do - they want government out of their lives, pockets and bedrooms. And the smarter ravers - here and in Amsterdam - are waking up to the realization that freedom-loving libertines are at the top of the list of people that the Islamofascists want to kill (right alongside Jews, gays, women, and artists who dare speak out against Muslim fascism). I think this is going to be the big (and untold, except for the blogs of course) story of 2005 and 2006.

iowainfidel

The Dubya supporters use logic, the Kerry supporters use emotions.

You got it - Conservatives THINK - Liberals FEEL.

When surveys say only 5% of Dims think terrorism is a problem. They ain't thinkin'

In our "stupid redneck" Ohio family:
phd's in Philosophy, History, Education, Economics, Entimology
Masters in Psychology, Nursing, Computer Science, MBA
Bachelors in Engineering, IT, Biology (some in-process)
Nobody has an IQ below 120 and 3 are MENSA nerds.
Everybody voted for Bush.
My phd is Chemistry and the first thing I learned about statistics is how easy they are to arrange to support whatever one prefers. Bad science but very easy.

Facts versus Emotions:

Remember during the Clinton years when all the left could talk about was "starving children". There were no starving children, but it became a very emotional issue with duped Democrats.

Well, it turned out that the Democrats were substituting the word "starving" for the word "hungry" for political purposes. So then we had multitudes of hungry children. Then we found out how the Dept. of Agriculture defined "hungry". It seems if a child had missed just one meal in 30 days that child was by definition hungry.

No wonder we had so many hungry kids out there. By that definition I had 2 myself.

Today, the DOA has yet a new definition . . . but you can't understand it. And that's the way they want it -- just keep it an emotional issue.

I got into a "discussion" with my uncle tonight about Bush. He pulls out this: "Did you know that after 9/11 Bush took a bunch of Saudi's away for safety reasons in Air Force One? His dad is buddy buddy with the Saudis, blah, blah, blah." I says back, "Oh . . . you must have just seen Fahrenheit 9/11." And he about blew a gasket. My aunt was laughung and nodding, because apparently they had seen it at my cousin's house a few days earlier. Anyway, I haven't seen it or Fahrenhype 9/11. In a "bloody big nutshell" what would have been a better response?

Great, now we are to be blamed for all of Paramount and Sherry Lansing's failures, too.

Paramount's "Alfie," a remake of a romantic comedy about a roguish womanizer starring Jude Law, opened to a dismal $6.5 million in more than 2,000 theaters, far below expectations.

The tepid response was the latest blow to Sherry Lansing, the chairwoman of Paramount who last week announced her plans to leave the job when her contract expires in 2005, and whose movies have performed poorly this summer and fall.

Wayne Llewellyn, the president of distribution at Paramount, said that the the conservative ethos reflected in last week's election results might have hurt the film.

"It could be the mood of the country right now," he said. "It seems to be the result of the election. Maybe they didn't want to see a guy that slept around."

No, Wayne, we want to see good, original movies. See, we stoopid dat way.

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Oh, I don't doubt that your English professors think that "guns kill people" - most of mine were pretty effin crazy. I think people kill people, though, so I would just say that your prof was a moonbat!

kooky --thank you!

For a laugh, see this DUMBO-DEMO hoax chart
about 'state intelligence' versus votes,
showing blue on top and red on bottom:

[Link: www.rense.com...]

Just imagine -- they're dumb enough to
actually BELIEVE such a silly hoax!

Letter to the editor in the NY Post:

John Kerry lost the election for a very simple reason: A lot of people voted for him before they voted against him.
Sal Marinello
Watchung, N.J.