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O'Reilly: Rather was "Slimed"

Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 8:31:24 am PST

Bill O’Reilly sticks up for Dan Rather, and says he was smeared.

As a CBS News correspondent in the early ‘80s, I worked with Rather and have known him for more than 20 years. Listen to me: There is no way on this Earth that he would have knowingly used fake documents on any story.

It may be true that Rather did not vet the information supplied to him by producers, but few anchor people do. They are dependent on other journalists, and this is a huge flaw in the system.

Dan Rather is guilty of not being skeptical enough about a story that was politically loaded. I believe Rather, along with Andy Rooney, Walter Cronkite and other guardsmen of the old CBS News, is liberal in his thinking. That is certainly a legitimate debate - how for years CBS News has taken a rather progressive outlook. But holding a political point of view is the right of every American, and it does not entitle people to practice character assassination or deny the presumption of innocence. Dan Rather was slimed. It was disgraceful.

But you’ll be seeing more of this kind of thing in the future. All famous and successful Americans are now targets. Unscrupulous people know that any accusation can be dumped on the Internet and within hours the mainstream media will pick it up. It will be printed in the papers, discussed on radio and TV and become part of the unfortunate person’s résumé whether he or she is guilty or not. A click of the Internet mouse can wipe out a lifetime of honor and hard work. Just the accusation or allegation can be ruinous.

Let me ask you something: In the future, do you think potential public servants and social crusaders are going to risk being brutally attacked within this insane system? I don’t. I think many good people are simply going to walk away from the public arena.

Dan Rather did not get what he deserved in this case. He made a mistake, as we all do, but he is not a dishonest man.

Unfair freedom of speech did him in. This is not your grandfather’s country anymore.

“Unfair freedom of speech?” When Rather responded with outrageous smears of his own (dark mutterings about “right-wing attack machines”) and eleven days of stonewalling and blatant lying, digging up phony experts and claiming to have an “unimpeachable source” who turned out to be a Bush-hater with a history of mental problems?

Bill O’Reilly is defending the indefensible, and it looks an awful lot like the Old Boy network closing ranks, with more than a hint of fear.

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1 BIG  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:32:28am

Looks like spin has entered the no-spin zone.

2 TalkinKamel  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:32:30am

I'm afraid poor old Bill is going gah-gah.

3 Bob with one O  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:33:53am

This from the same person who said he would have picked Bubba for Sec'y of State. He's auditioning for Rather's slot.

4 Ellen  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:35:04am

I can't figure it out. I'll Bill O'Reilly wants the anchor job and is doing a massive spin/suck-up to CBS. I've heard they want Diane Sawyer. Well no matter who they get, they won't have me as a viewer.

5 hipper_than_thou  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:35:20am

As time goes on and more info comes out, you'll see that Bill O'Reilly is just like the rest of them.

6 jlfintx  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:35:35am

Just like usual, O'Reilly acts as if he is the final authority.

He really should watch who he takes up for. Rather gets everything he has coming to him, being the political hack he is.

7 Joe Bonforte  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:35:59am

Methinks Bill is touchy because of his own offenses that have been made more public than he would like.

8 fed-up  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:37:55am

I can't even watch or listen to O'Reilly anymore. He was always a little pompous but the last year he has just turned into a real POS. No Spin my ass. What was so frustrating to me was the fact that he pretty much completely dismissed criticism of Kerry's war service (he was in Vietnam ya know!) as being part of the "bomb throwers," as he calls them, rather than actually looking at their reason for coming out against Kerry. What an ass.

9 Californican  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:38:13am

I heard on the radio this morning that when Dan Rather goes down, CBS nightly news may also take a dirt nap. They might cancell it all together. Bad ratings. Gee, I wonder why?

All the other MSM lefty networks probably should take note of this and learn.

10 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:38:16am

Dan Rather was slimed.

Think there's a typo, there.

11 Aquatic Cadaver Dog  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:38:53am

O'Reilly is a rank opportunist and a demigogue.

12 AngryDumbo  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:38:57am

"Public servants and social crusaders"

13 Powderfinger  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:39:20am
But holding a political point of view is the right of every American, and it does not entitle people to practice character assassination or deny the presumption of innocence.

The President retains that right too, no? You'd better clue Danny in, Bill.

14 Smug Monkey  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:39:29am

Jeez, Bill must have typed that up with his loofah mitts on.

I tuned him out when he made the Klintoon suggestion.

15 Smug Monkey  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:40:40am

PIMP, sorry...

loofah mitts

16 mglazer  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:40:57am

I don't particulary like Bill - I like some of his opinions and don't others.

I do have to say I like his passion with his viewpoints which is somewhat rare in his field.

17 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:41:01am

#7, Joe Bonforte

...Bill [']s touchy ... offenses that have been made more public than he would like.

/Dowdifier

18 TMA  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:41:02am

It's definitly ironic that O'Reilly, of all people, should whine about "unfair" freedom of speech; To me, the closest thing to unfair speech is when a demagogue like O'Reilly slams some poor nobody of a teacher or principal without knowing the full context of whatever incident made him or her the flavor of the day.

19 dustyroadguy  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:41:12am

I no longer watch 'the factor' on fox, his no spin zone has become a twilight zone......

Bill O’Reilly is defending the indefensible, and it looks an awful lot like the Old Boy network closing ranks, with more than a hint of fear.

his dismissal of rather's culpability in this disgraceful episode in journalism ignores the fact that rather isn't just a reader HE IS MANAGING EDITOR of cBs news and therefore RESPONSIBLE for IT's content....

O'Reily needs some O'Reality.....

He did the dame thing to the Swift Boat Vets...

He has become JAM........

20 bfjbp53  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:41:12am

A classic example of Mr. O's failed attempt to define Fair and Balanced so he can assume the higher moral ground. No news agency is fair, balanced, nor objective. Never will be. I wish FOX News would drop that tag line. It is BS.

21 Tiburon  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:41:22am

OT, but it seems there's a small commemoration afoot, as today's the Anniversary of the 1947 UN Partition Plan Resolution. (Clear map and comments)
Perhaps Charles will do a post to join in... Blogburst (also posted previous thread)

22 One_Shot_One_Kill  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:41:44am
...and it does not entitle people to practice character assassination or deny the presumption of innocence.

Unless, of course, your name is Bill Burkett, Mary Mapes or Dan Rather and your target is GWB...

23 pookleblinky  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:42:49am
how for years CBS News has taken a rather progressive outlook

I hate the word "progressive"!

After 170 million people are slaughtered by people with "progressive" beliefs, after millions of schoolchildren remain illiterate in "progressive" schools, after the nation's economy collapsed under "progressive" economic policies, THAT WORD HAS NO MEANING OTHER THAN EVIL.

I am so retrogressive, they never even came close to the freedom I want.

24 Carolyn  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:43:13am

O'Reilly has been bending over backwards for some time, trying to be unbiased. I am interested in right and wrong not not some phony balance.

25 dll2000  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:44:29am

I havent watched O'Reilly's show in a few years. Never really liked him. He's arrogant, condecending and rude. I really didnt like it when he (dont know if he still does) shut off peoples mikes who disagreed with him for allegedly fillabustering sp?. Most of the times I was watching, they werent. Hannity would destroy him in the ratings if it wasnt Hannity AND Colmes. I would like to see a political program with Coulter and Malkin doing their own twenty minute segments followed by a discussion between themselves for the last twenty minutes of an hour long show. I also love the combination of Sowell and W. Williams, ever hear them together on the Rush Limbaugh show when Williams is subbing? Magical combination.

OT: Thank Senator Edwards for the surgery ladies.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

26 Aquatic Cadaver Dog  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:45:09am

You've got to wonder about the people O'Reilly has fooled. Apparently they are still fooled.

He turned me off a long time ago when he dismissed Rush as not a newsman but an entertainer and joked about Drudge doing cocaine.

27 A-Z (euro-dissident)  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:46:03am

Unfair freedom of speech

Yeah, right. Freedom is unfair. Privileges are fair.

/MSM La verité cest moi. (sp?)

28 KWH  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:46:18am

I've noticed Bill "becoming" more left over the past few years. He won't call many on their own flip flops. But, I have seen him nail a few too (thought they seem to be getting fewer). His show sometimes brings a different light to certain issues. He's definately no Hannity though.

29 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:46:31am
Bill O’Reilly is defending the indefensible, and it looks an awful lot like the Old Boy network closing ranks, with more than a hint of fear.

I think you nailed it, Charles.

Either that or maybe OReilly is hoping to get into the CBS fold.

30 Powderfinger  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:47:06am
Unfair freedom of speech did him in

What is 'unfair freedom of speech?' What about freedom of speech is unfair? Whose freedom of speech is unfair?

Getting it wrong, and pretending he had it right when the entire reality-based community (yes, I'm taking "reality-based" back, moonbats) could see with one half blind eye that the docs were bogus...

31 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:47:29am

O'Reilly is worried about O'Reilly.

He got burned by an accusation of sexual harassment just a month or so ago, and was fried when it hit the papers. That's the REAL source of his emotion here, I bet, rather than any overwhelming pity for Dan.

Rather made his own bed. He knew the documents experts C-BS had consulted with had refused to verify their authenticity. In his eagerness to disembowel Bush he rushed ahead anyway.

I don't buy it that Rather didn't know anything about the content and problems of the story. He's not just a newsreader, he's the executive producer, and would have been in on the meetings about it.

32 Buckeye Abroad  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:47:59am

Unfair freedom of speech did him in.

Unfair freedom of speech? Citizens using technology to remedy the lack of facts and actual information reported in media scares the old guard. Their monopoly on information and shaping public opinion is on the decline hence the fear.

So long Bill. I hardly knew ye.

I think many good people are simply going to walk away from the public arena.

Good people have nothing to fear, but being a high ranking public servent you are always going to be scrutinized.

33 Havoc  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:48:30am

OT- "Vast Left Wing Conspiracy" gets Swiftboat Vet, Steve Gardener - Kerry's Gunner,

And costs him his job.

McCarthyism lives on the left.

Twenty-four hours later, Gardner's employer, Millennium Information Services, informed him via email that his posiiton with the company was being eliminated and that his services were no longer required. Gardner says that he has since seen the company advertising for his old position.

Write and e-mail Millenium Information Services, ask for Steve Gardeners Job, or better yet, just tell them to give Steve his job back. Better yet, if you are an attorney, tell them you would like Steve Gardener to have his job back, then link them to the 800 lb. Gorilla.

Lawhawk, Glen Reynolds et al, this is a worthy case for pro bono work if it in fact has merit. If Millenium is indeed advertising Gardeners job, a nice suit would like settle on a year's severance so he could find another job to support his wife and three kids.

34 pookleblinky  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:49:49am

#25

Michelle Malkin and Walter Williams on one side, Ann Coulter and Thomas Sowell on the other side. Right in the center: a moonbat tied to a chair. The whole show consists of proving the little bastard's every idea wrong, and driving him entirely insane. Maybe the same moonbat every episode, or they coulc catch more.

There will have to be frequent interludes in which Michelle and Ann beat the shit out of beautiful Chilean moonbatistas.

35 ZMB2  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:49:51am

Hey Bill, send your resume to SeeBS and drop the pretense that you dont want the job. They arent going to hire you, and your latest article just made a few people decide to not buy what you are selling.

36 myoclonic jerk  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:50:11am

Bill didn't finish --- "Let me bring this back to myself. This woman said I was a phonesex perv. All famous and successful Americans are now targets. Unscrupulous people know that any accusation can be dumped on the Internet and within hours the mainstream media will pick it up. It will be printed in the papers, discussed on radio and TV and become part of the unfortunate person’s résumé whether he or she is guilty or not. A click of the Internet mouse can wipe out a lifetime of honor and hard work. Just the accusation or allegation can be ruinous. Am I now less pervy looking to you?"

That was his point. However, Dan was GUILTY Bill. Why smear yourself for him?

37 Lighthouse Keeper  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:50:29am

Bill O'Reilly needs to come back down to earth. His head is so big - his balloon never lands. He feels that because he used to work at CBS that makes them a good reliable news agency. Wrong. And, Bill O'Reilly thinks that the Internet smeared Rather but on the contrary, the Internet stop the smearing of GWB by CBS. They brought to light the fact that these documents were fake. If they had not done so, who would have? Not any of the MSN. The Cable News would not have picked up on it had there been nothing to pick up on. Having the guts to say that something is fake and then proving it is not wrong. Putting a story on the air that has the smell of something being fishy and going with it anyway, is terribly wrong. Rather put himself in the position of being able to be smeared. Those on the Internet could not have done this to him had he not chosen to go with a bogus story. My mother used to say you made your bed now lie in it. He created the situation he now finds himself caught up in.

38 Joel  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:50:48am

O'Reilly is a bloviator and as much of a conservative as Andrew Sullivan is. Rather was the one who defamed a sitting President. Does O'R seriously think that had the same information been available about John Kerry that Rather would have acted in the same way?

39 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:50:48am

O'Reilly is talking PRO DOMO SUA, for his own (future) interest.

He has just solved that little problem of that producer who accused him of harassing her, by paying her an amount of money...

For him freedom of speech by the FREE INTERNET is as dangerous as poison, we could come to know things about him...

Shame on these old servants of the Media Matrix.

40 Chuck Pelto  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:50:48am

TO: Charles Johnson
RE: Bill Who?

Is O'Reilly STILL around? I gave up on him after he called for the murder of Matt Drudge for outing O'Reilly's financial arrangements for his talk radio show.

I don't accept information from people who call for murder of their critics.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

41 lidsville  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:51:01am

I'm done with Bill O'Reilly.

42 chatulah  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:51:49am

I can't watch him any more either. His spin is clearly centered on his ego.

And seems he felt a bit too beat up by the Pajamahadeen himself re: his own little problem with the ladies. Too bad.

43 Killraven  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:52:01am

Also done with O'Reilly. He stinks of falafel. Or loofah. Oh.. you know what I mean!

44 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:52:56am

#33 havoc:

This is indeed a worthy cause, though I'm not qualified to do that kind of work. Someone with experience in doing employment discrimination suits would provide far better counsel.

45 Ellen  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:55:14am

O'Reilly a bloviator. That fits him to a T. Rush can be arrogant as hell, but I get the feeling his arrogance is part of his schtick. O'Reilly just strikes me as arrogant. Pity - I used to like him a lot a few years ago when his head was a normal size.

46 hm  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:55:16am

Anyone who saw O'Reillys pre-election appearance on Jon Stewart's Daily Show KNOWS what a first class asswipe he is.

Compared to that two-faced, canting asswipe, Jon Stewart is a choir boy.

47 Maine's Michael  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:55:53am

O'reilly's a puffed up windbag. Didn't like him rimming Mel Gibson, didn't like him disrespecting the President.

Really didn't like his forced phone sex harrassment of his assistant.

Like him even less now.

Hey Bill, the election's over, and so are your 15 minutes. You've really shit the bed.

48 hermeneutics  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:56:06am

O'Reilly seems to crave the approval and praise of those in the MSM, at least its lefty majority. I'm no shrink, but he seems very insecure. Perhaps his blustering loudmouthness is merely a cover.

O'Reilly's declension is painful to watch. Getting our news from selected blogsites sounds better to me anyway.

Hey, does anyone know of any conservative podcasters? Podcasting is to radio what blogging was to the print media -- are any LGFers up to that challenge? It seems to be the next frontier in the expanding media universe, (read:democratization of media).

49 pettyfog  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:57:19am

Face it... O'Reilly is no more a "newsman" than he was on Inside Edition.

What he DOES is pick a Centrist-Correct position on everything.... in other words, holds a finger into the wind then expounds!

I dont have a problem with that... and Rather is ONLY slimed because of the SPIN he himself throws into the mix... NOT because of his liberal views.


Point being, Rush doesnt pretend to be "no-spin"... when you look at how he describes himself...he comes right out and throws the ball into the "prove me wrong" court.

50 Joel  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:57:34am

I turned against O'Reilly back in April 2002 when he had Daniel Pipes on as a guest and O'R started doing some Israel bashing after Israel finally got it right and went after the terrorists. O'Reilly showed some picture of Israeli police hitting some demonstrators who were Israeli Arabs and started whining abut it. He also dismissed Pipes sensible suggestion of Israel putting up a barrier with a "that won't work" comment. Also he said that Israel should withdraw from the West Bank and if the "bus bombings continued then they can go back in." Fuck you O'Reilly, I will buy you a months unlimited bus pass for Jerusalem's buses, are you interested?

The transcript of O'Reilly interviewing Daniel Pipes on April 4, 2002

51 Lord Gnarl  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:58:22am

At this rate, O'Reilly will be a complete barking moonbat by inauguration day.

52 Havoc  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:59:05am

#33

mailto:Reynolds@libra.law.utk.edu

E-mail Glenn Reynolds, he linked to it, let him do something also. Glen's a busy guy AND he knows people who would be able to devote the pro bono time to Steve Gardener.

53 monkeyweather  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:59:41am
Dan Rather did not get what he deserved in this case. He made a mistake, as we all do, but he is not a dishonest man.


Since when is it not "dishonest" to have a hidden AGENDA, but to present yourself as having no agenda atall?

I agree Rather didn't get what he deserved. A regular "nobody" American would get in a lot of trouble for trying to overthrow a sitting president and foul and election.

Unless that person was Michael Moore of course.

And where is Mary Apes? She still trying to prove those documents from Kinkos were real?

54 pookleblinky  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:59:46am

Podcasting
From Wikipedia

The term podcasting was invented by Ben Hammersley in the article"Audible Revolution" ([Link: www.guardian.co.uk...] from the February 12 2004 edition of The Guardian, used in context by Dannie J. Gregoire [1] ([Link: groups.yahoo.com...] and made popular by former MTV VJ and Dutch weblogger Adam Curry's original [2] ([Link: ipodder.org)ipodder...] script. RSS pioneer Dave Winer describes succinctly the technology used to pull digital audio (e.g., especially MP3) files from websites down to computers and devices where the audio can be played back at a listener's convenience. The recovery of MP3 links from distributed weblogs and distribution of the aggregated list using RSS had been demonstrated by Stephen Downes's [3] ([Link: www.downes.ca)...] Ed Radio [4] ([Link: www.downes.ca...] launched June 9, 2004. Podcasting was developed, according to Curry[5] ([Link: ipodder.org)...] in August, 2004.

The term podcasting plays upon the terms broadcasting and webcasting and is derived from the name of the iPod portable music player, the playback device of choice of many early podcast listeners. While not directly associated with Apple's iPod device or iTunes jukebox software, the company did contribute both the desire and the technology for this capability. Podcasting is similar to time-shifted video software and devices like TiVo, which let you watch what you want when you want by recording and storing video, except that podcasting is used for audio and is currently free of charge. Note, however, that this technology can be used to pull any kind of file, including software updates, pictures, and videos.

Adding to a number of ad hoc, proto-podcasting techniques for automatically downloading audio files, podcasting proper became popular through association with blogs, the XML-based file format called RSS (Really Simple Syndication or RDF Site Summary), and the polling applications called feed readers or news readers that poll and download RSS files.

Blogs, often being self-published websites, provided a convenient means for individuals to self-publish audio files online. RSS already gave websites and blogs a means to summarize or list new content added to the site. Individuals already used RSS to poll websites for new content. Thus, the addition of audio file listings to RSS, and the addition of audio file downloading to RSS feed readers built upon the feed reader's existing methods for polling and downloading files, and upon the existing "reader driven" interaction with content publishers.

Podcasting is different from broadcasting and webcasting in that it "casts" audio not by a mechanism of centrally pushing audio out to listeners, but by the mechanism of the (distributed) listeners pulling (downloading) the audio files automatically. Podcasters publish (or "podcast") audio files, even in the likeness of radio shows, but it is the individual listener who initiates the "cast" through their subscription and automatic download of the audio program.

Podcasting also utilizes the combination of audio files and RSS to publish descriptive data and metadata associated with the audio. RSS files used in podcasting include dates, titles, descriptions, and links to audio files. These links to audio files within RSS, which are used by podcasting applications, are defined by the RSS enclosure element, supported by RSS 2.0 and RSS 1.x. The enclosure element originated in RSS 2.0, and all of the original podcasting proper applications were built to work with RSS 2.0 specifically.

55 wun wabbit wun  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:01:13am

As soon as Britt Hume is over Fox doesnt have my eyes for the rest of the night. O'Reilly is the Primo Bloviator - he is so full of himself the story becomes secondary. And after his indefensable defense of Rathergate - well - I can get more of my news on the internet.

56 Intestinal Fortitude  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:02:04am

O'Reilly is becoming more discombobulated as we speak.

57 editor  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:02:53am

Why is O'Reilly not troubled by the character assassination that Rather was attempting to pull off?

58 dll2000  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:04:48am

Re: #33

Unfortunately it is within MIS rights as a private company to fire Steve Gardener for his political views. However, the public can make them pay a huge price for doing so. A Boycott and probably a secondary boycott due to nature of this company would be effective. "He was laid off in an e-mail -- by the same man who only days before had congratulated him for his exemplary work in a territory which covered North and South Carolina." Find out who wrote the email and publicize his name. Remove the annonymity, shine the light on the cockroaches and they scatter. Works for thefire.org when College Presidents make believe they are the Gestopo enforcing speech codes. Make them pay for what they have done.

59 monkeyweather  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:06:07am
Bill O’Reilly is defending the indefensible, and it looks an awful lot like the Old Boy network closing ranks


Bill doesn't know how to provide facts with accuracy. He thinks if you tell both sides, then you are being "balanced". I wonder where he came up with that notion? Most people understand that we do not tell lies in order to be fair to the other side.

Throughout the presidential campaign Bill did that. Said "both sides" were playing dirty, in this bizarre juxtaposition that made NO sense.
Like, "If we say the liberals are bad, to be fair we must say the conservatives are bad too". Huh?

I do not think Bill knows what it means to simply tell the unvarnished TRUTH.

Is it fear on his part? I think it may be ego and a character flaw.

60 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:09:28am

So, it comes down to two possibilities:

O'Reilly realizes the power of the LLL MSM, when he was slimed for talking like a perv with his assistant on the phone, and realizes that tacking hard left will give him some degree of protection or

2) He wants Dan's job.

I suspect even O'Reilly isn't so stupid as to believe he'll ever anchor a network news show, so I'm leaning towards #1

61 Ballistic Renegade  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:10:53am

And my favorite line...

He made a mistake, as we all do, but he is not a dishonest man

Umm....when it's intentionally done, doesn't that make him...dishonest?

I've said it before, Bill O'Reilly is not the conservative he claims to be. Neither is Foxnews.

62 hermeneutics  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:11:50am

In english :) ... podcasting is getting radio-like programs on your computer or ipod. You download a URL with the help of cheap software (for macs, its ipodderx) and new "radio shows" are added to your ipod. When you want to, or if you want to, you can listen to them.

Its sorta like recording tv shows with your VCR timer and then playing them whenever convenient. Except its audio.

Most podcasts seem to be done by the hard political left, academics and ex-deaniacs. Since its a rapidly expanding frontier, I wish some of you with pleasant voices would interview interesting people and put those interviews on podcasts. Charles would be a good interviewee!

Kris

63 Intestinal Fortitude  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:13:53am

Bill O'Reilly, he must go
Bring in Mr. Tony Snow

64 Powderfinger  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:15:47am
Unscrupulous people know that any accusation can be dumped on the Internet and within hours the mainstream media will pick it up.

How many stories have I seen first on LGF, and then on Fox? Too many to dismiss it as coincidence.

In the future, do you think potential public servants and social crusaders are going to risk being brutally attacked within this insane system?

Is that aside from Charles, or including him?

65 N.A. PALM  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:16:08am

Who's looking out for you......oops, I mean Danny Rather?

The king of moonfarts, Billy O'r

66 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:16:12am

#34,

Michelle Malkin and Walter Williams on one side, Ann Coulter and Thomas Sowell on the other side. Right in the center: a moonbat tied to a chair.

Sort of a LLL "Fear Factor"?

I like it!

67 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:18:13am

Actually, I think Fox News is fairly fair and balanced, and may even tilt slightly L on some issues.


It is only perceived as being right wing when compared to CNN, CBS, al NYT and the other LLL MSM.

68 gymnast  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:18:39am

O'Reilly is as finished as Rather, he just doesn't know it yet. I think the FoxNetwork network would like to sell out his contract before it becomes a bigger liability than it already is. I give him 6 months tops.

69 N.A. PALM  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:19:47am

This is smeared, smeared into my memory I tell ya........

70 tbarney  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:20:10am

In the same theme as #22...

Unscrupulous people know that any
accusation can be dumped on the Internet and within hours the mainstream media will pick it up. It will be printed in the papers, discussed on radio and TV and become part of the unfortunate person’s résumé whether he or she is guilty or not.

This is exactly what the MSM is counting on, if you change "can be dumped on the Internet and within hours the mainstream media will pick it up" to read "can be dumped on a mainstream media show and within hours it will be all over the country."

They've been getting away with it for years, and Rather thought he could do it one more time.

Rather is the unscrupulous person, trying to hang the accusation on GWB's resume.

Bill is waaaaay off base here.

71 dll2000  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:20:45am

#61

"I've said it before, Bill O'Reilly is not the conservative he claims to be. "Neither is Foxnews."

I think that is the point that so many miss. I dont often watch TV news, I get most of my news from WSJ, Chicago Trib., Rush Limbaugh and everywhere on the internet. On days when I have been sick I have spent entire days watching foxnews however. There are many hardcore liberals (Colmes)and moderates (O'Reilly) that work for this station. There are many more that are regularly interviewed and are regular and paid contributors. The difference between foxnews and the MSM is that fox has some actual conservatives (Hannity) who work there instead of the near or total blackout at most papers, networks and CNN, MSNBC, etc. They really do try to be balanced even if they dont always succeed. But in no way is this network the conservative mouthpiece its protrayed and assumed to be.

72 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:21:39am

I've never thought O'Reilly was one of us. He's a media good ol' boy, through and through.

73 Model4  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:21:46am
That is certainly a legitimate debate - how for years CBS News has taken a rather progressive outlook.

Engaging in a little Spin, eh Bill? Pray tell what this word "progressive" means when you use it, and how, exactly, it differs from "liberal." Rather is a crook, and worse. He deliberately tried to undermine our government and election process during a war.

Funny how the others in the media have all circled the wagons with "Yes, but... one must remember that Dan is a wonderful reporter with a fabulous history of investigative journalism." Uh, ok, but then why were you defending him by saying he's just an ignorant teleprompter-reading droid with no clue what the words coming out of his mouth mean? Even pretending Dan wasn't in on the fraud all along, as supported by the evidence... how does one excuse his rejecting all truth presented to him after the story broke, continuing to peddle the lies, and attacking anyone who pointed out the errors in the story he supposedly had nothing to do with?

I remember when Bill came back after a vacation, think it was this time last year, and he just seemed different. Like he was definitely catering to certain points of view based on ulterior motives, not their merits. It was subtle, but it was noticeable.

Its a darn shame, because his show was wonderful for cutting through the spin and letting folks hear views they wouldn't have before. Bill comes up with some great ideas too, and has said some pretty brave things, as well as taking to task people, beliefs and organizations previously thought untouchable. Overall, its still a pretty darn good thing. Just kinda ruins the whole experience when you can just see and hear Mr. No Spin pandering and sniveling on certain issues.

#25 dll2000:

I really didnt like it when he (dont know if he still does) shut off peoples mikes who disagreed with him for allegedly fillabustering

I've never seen a night of The Factor where Bill didn't have several guests on who disagreed with him. Think I've seen him cut a mic like twice over three years. In every case, the person was fillabustering to the point they might as well have ran a test pattern or a Springer chair-throwing segment for the remainder of the time allotted. There was no "allegedly" about it, and 99.9% of the people who disagree with them have their mics work just fine, for some reason. Plenty of room to criticize Bill without making stuff up.

74 Renna  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:22:32am

No way on earth he would have KNOWINGLY used fake documents? It isn't his fault they weren't vetted properly? He was denied the presumption of innocence?

All these arguments might, just might, hold a teeny bit of water if not for the glaring fact that Dan continued to defend the documents days and days after they were proven beyond all doubt to be fakes.

75 SkippyMoment  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:24:19am

#61 Ballistic Renegage

O'R never claimed to be a conservative, but does claim to be an Independent. He also acknowledges that he is not a reporter but a 'comentator'. That said, I think he's been writing and reading his own press releases again. I can take his show in small doses, but would much prefer to have Tony Snow on the show.

O'R does make a few good points, but I do think he's let his ego get out of control on this one.

Besides all this, does anyone really need this guy to tell us what to think about Rather and the whole memo-gate thing. Rational, reasonable people don't need to be told what to think, and shouldn't be swayed by someone else's opinion - fact yes, opinion no. Letting someone else do your thinking is the first step on the slippery slope to becoming a full-fledge, raving moonbat.

I say we just ingore him... maybe he'll just go away.

76 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:24:38am

Speaking of Dan's job, it seems that CBS may be looking outside CBS News for a replacement. Tim Russert may be at the top of that short list. That's right, go ahead and get one of the better interviewers and sit 'em in front of a teleprompter. How about this one - put Gimp the Chimp out there and read off the teleprompter. You know, someone who isn't photogenic and has the brainpan capacity of a cornered rodent (kinda like the last CBS News anchor - not quite a perfect analogy since even rats know to flee a sinking ship) All they've gotta do is look pretty and recite the news lies that the news division cooks up for them.

77 flyboy  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:25:49am

O'Reilly is going to get a hernia, trying, desperately, to pass as a "fair and balanced" anchor. He should look to his base -- and not strain to be so overtly even-handed.

What would Dan say about Bill?

78 winemaker  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:26:47am

Scylla nails it re O'Reilly, Rather and even Safire:

[Link: scyllacharybdis.blogspot.com...]

79 JEGjr  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:28:45am

"Why is O'Reilly not troubled by the character assassination that Rather was attempting to pull off? "

Exactly. Bernard Goldberg was on Hannity and Colmes the other night, and Colmes started questioning Goldberg about what he thought Rather's intentions were. Colmes started to defend Rather and Goldberg said (paraphrase), "I can pretty much guarantee you that if this story was about Kerry, you wouldn't have seen it come out 50 days before an election." Dan Rather was a willing accomplice in a FALSE story to try to bring down the Prez; proved by his ridiculous claim that - even though the documents may not be real, the basis of the story is true. If that's true, why did they, after 4+ years of working on this story (trying to nail the Prez in the 2000 election with this same crap), have to eventually rely upon FORGED documents!

O'Reilly is wrong. Rather did this to himself; and deserves more than what has happened.

80 rtheyserius  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:28:46am
Bill O’Reilly is defending the indefensible

...hits the nail on the head.

81 TotallySirius  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:29:29am

OT Jesse Jackson is coming to spread his own slime in Ohio.

He is calling for demonstrations to get a recount,says he has to,in order to "count all the votes".Then he starts repeating all the unproven conspiracy theories about "disenfranchised black,hispanic and other minority voters"

Any Ohio LGFers out there with better organizational skills than me,want to organize a counter-demonstration?

Go back to your blue states Jesse,Ohio doesn't want you,well, this little corner of Ohio anyway.

82 pbird  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:30:56am

O'Reilly badly needs a slapdown. I already told him so earlier today. What a fathead!
Not only that, a man like him could actually be a real danger if given any power to affect others. "Unfair freedom of speech" is a breathtaking concept! WTH does he think?

83 SkippyMoment  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:33:30am

I do think Fox "news" is fair and balanced (as much as it can be), and I hate it when people who don't watch it bag on it (not that any one here does that). They always point to O'R and H & C as examples. Neither O'R or H & C is not part of the "news."

O'R claims to be fair and balanced, but he falls short too many times. And sometimes I want to just reach into the tv and slap both Sean and Allan for not keeping better control over the debate - some of their guests are soooooo rude.

84 JEGjr  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:33:40am

Another thing Bernard Goldgerg said that bothered me though, and I've heard others say it - "The bloggers got it right, CBS got it wrong." Bull Crap! CBS didn't get it wrong. THEY GOT CAUGHT LYING ON PURPOSE!

85 Gringo  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:34:29am

I too have stopped watching O'Reilly, he seems to be leaning more to the left and doesn't cover what is happening in the news as he should or used to. Not supporting the SwiftVets while supporting Kerry as a decorated veteran was a mistake. He really didn't even give the opposing views equal exposure. I also agree that Hannity could blow him right off the ratings if they gave him his own show and dropped VomitAlan. I like Hannity but can't watch the show because I can't stomach Colms. Hannity and Coulter would rock!

86 SwampWoman  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:35:15am
As a CBS News correspondent in the early ‘80s, I worked with Rather and have known him for more than 20 years. Listen to me: There is no way on this Earth that he would have knowingly used fake documents on any story.

Whatever, Bill. You seem to be forgetting that there are a substantial number of us out here who know what pre-word processor documents look like. We collectively looked at the memos, and said "ain't no f***in' way those came from a typewriter. And honey, since you're considerably older than I am, you knew the moment you looked at them, too.

Dan knows about pre-Word documents, too.

87 Model4  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:35:48am

#54 pookleblinky: podcasting.... so people can schedule downloads of files on websites, or automatically download files if new ones are posted? Man, I'm so glad that was just invented this year.

#61 Ballistic Renegade:

He made a mistake, as we all do, but he is not a dishonest man

Wasn't it Dan on O'Reilly's show who said that a person (his personal god Clinton) could tell lies and still be an honest man? It was a strange quote indeed, especially from such a "trusted" "journalist."

Just don't know how to account for Bill's behavior. He even seems worse whenever I tune in to his radio show. "Well, there's folks out there on all sides who do bad things. I don't know what to make of it or what to do, but people should be nicer. But the good news is that I'm looking out for you." Seems to be along those lines a lot.

I think overall he's a conservative guy, but is so terrified of being seen as a Conservative guy that he tries to massage his message and image. Which as anyone knows is ridiculous, because he's already Satanbushitler in the eyes of the left, and nothing's going to change that.

88 Rufus Lee King  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:36:11am

Bill O'Reilly spins past the facts to offer up a broad character voucher for Rather's admittedly unprofessional behavior. I hate to inform you Bill, but after your own misues of power on your female staff, which you admitted only backhandedly, your character refs are about as good as Saddam Hussein folding money.

89 dll2000  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:36:36am

"#25 dll2000:

I really didnt like it when he (dont know if he still does) shut off peoples mikes who disagreed with him for allegedly fillabustering"

#73 Model4

"In every case, the person was fillabustering to the point they might as well have ran a test pattern or a Springer chair-throwing segment for the remainder of the time allotted. There was no "allegedly" about it, and 99.9% of the people who disagree with them have their mics work just fine, for some reason. Plenty of room to criticize Bill without making stuff up."

I make nothing up a-hole and I dont like the insuation. As stated I have only seen the show on a few occassions and some time ago. I have no trouble with a host cutting someone's mike if they are indeed fillabustering, however on the occassions I saw the show the guests were not. I do have a problem with hosts who interupt points mid sentence (I've seen Chris Mathews do this too) and cut off mikes pre-maturely and that is what I saw. Give someone 40-50 secs to make a point and tell them, then respond. If they go over cut them off. Thats the way I see it and saw it, if you disagree fine but dont state that I'm fabricating anything.

90 Muledriver  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:37:17am

O'Reilly's schtick is to always attempt to play the centrist, no matter how much spin he has to put on a subject to do so.

91 Skunkbeard  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:40:33am
But you’ll be seeing more of this kind of thing in the future. All famous and successful Americans are now targets. Unscrupulous people know that any accusation can be dumped on the Internet and within hours the mainstream media will pick it up. It will be printed in the papers, discussed on radio and TV and become part of the unfortunate person’s résumé whether he or she is guilty or not. A click of the Internet mouse can wipe out a lifetime of honor and hard work. Just the accusation or allegation can be ruinous.

O'Reilly seems to confuse his facts: the MSM (CBS) was the source of the character assassination which was quickly called into question by the bloggers, not the other way aorund. The internet has become the fact checking department for the MSM, exposing them as the shallow flacks they really are.

O'Reilly's statement has more to do with his own personal problems than with those of Dan Rather.

And, oh, yeah, O'Reilly is just another pompous windbag.

92 Rightwingsparkle  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:41:50am

A few here got it. This was not about Dan Rather at all. It was about Bill O'Reilly trying to say that he himself was "smeared" without having to actually say it. Why? because he can't. He did it. He knows it. If anyone has ever watched him, you know that if he did not do this phone sex thing with this co-worker he would have flat out said it on his show.
The whole thing made me sick.
I am surprised LGF's didn't get this.

93 N.A. PALM  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:44:14am

blo' vi a tor...... def. english, modern,: one who excretes huge amounts of highly noxious gas at will, i.e as in galactic quantities. This gas is known to kill people on contact and is best avoided if possible..

94 Dan Dare  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:44:53am

Yeah? Well I happen to think that the only person who was smeared was the President of the United States, George W Bush.

As far as I am aware, neither Dan Rather nor CBS have ever apologised to him.

95 currahee  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:45:15am

IMO, O'Really is just stumping for Blathers job.

96 voletti  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:47:36am

#23

After 170 million people are slaughtered by people with "progressive" beliefs, after millions of schoolchildren remain illiterate in "progressive" schools, after the nation's economy collapsed under "progressive" economic policies, THAT WORD HAS NO MEANING OTHER THAN EVIL

Bravo. Me totally agrees. These dorks have hijacked the words 'progressive' and 'liberal' and run them into the finest buildings conservatism has built. Those (abstract) buildings still stand, but have been weakened.

We oughtta reclaim these words to proper usage. Liberal means classical liberal in the economic sense i.e. mirrors conservative economic policies and progressive means weeding out BS which is what neoliberalism is all about today!

97 andrew2  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:49:32am

Is it me or is O'Reilly's sell-out complete?

98 lah-dee-dah-dah  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:53:00am

Bill O'Reilly has always claimed to be an "Independent," (like Jim Jeffords or Bernie Moonbat from Vermont?); so it should be no surprise whenever he comes up with such non-sensical positions. He's a shameless self-promoter; and he sure has closed ranks with MSM and LLL, ever since he got caught playing, "Let's Talk Dirty," on the phone with one of his subserviants. For example: O'Reilly floats the name of Bill Clinton to replace Kofi as UN Sec. Gen'l.; O'Reilly never misses an opportunity to give an "atta boy!" to Jennings, Brokaw, Rather, etc. No wonder he shamelessly defends Danny-boy when it comes to Rather-gate. Quid pro quo for not "smearing," O'Reilly when he paid million$ in hush money to Ms. Hot Lips. Fred Barnes of the "Weekly Standard" and the "Beltway Boys" is a much more reliable source. Mr. Barnes credits LGF specifically with cracking "Memogate," and LGF and bloggers everywhere with ushering in a new era of accountability for politicians, electioneering, and MSM. Bloggers UP---O'Reilly Down! The current trend is for O'Reilly to become a NON-FACTOR!

99 spectrum007  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:53:54am

I agree the Tony Snow show!

100 Skunkbeard  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:56:29am

O'Reilly was more in his element when he was doing tabloid TV (was it Inside Edition?). A sellout would require him to attain legitimate status first, which he never did in my book.

101 Al di Grandpa  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:56:31am

With the "gathering threat" of the blogosphere & iNews , all these TV guys are in panic mode. Mathews has turned insane. Rather is otta here. Ditto Brokaw. Jennings? But Rush, Stern live on. Know why? Radio. Been on a freeway, expressway, interstate lately?

No blogoshere there. YET!

Of coures, IMHO, which I respect very much.

Al

102 EddieP  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 7:58:22am

BOR should stick to something he is really good at - Phone Sex.

If Rather is such a good reporter, why didn't he insist that Kerry sign the form 180. That would have proved that he wasn't just out to get Bush.

Fox is the only Network News I watch, but haven't watched BOR in over a year. He is worse than Chris Matthews whom I used to watch about four years ago but refuse to watch any more as well.

Fox has the best news readers of all but even that is limited to John Gibson, Tony Snow, Brit Hume and Shep. A couple of the second string aren't bad either.

103 SwampWoman  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:02:33am

I don't know if this stuff was about O'Reilly's sexcapades or not; I quit watching Bill O'Reilly quite some time back as it seemed to be more of a "Look at ME! I'm sooooooo much more wonderful than everybody else! Buy my book and read more about ME!" show than about actual issues. And I thought that he used kid gloves on people he should have been hitting with boxing gloves, and riduling people that should have been interviewed.

Of course, as a disclaimer, nobody has actually asked me to interview anybody OR to write books; maybe deep down I'm really jealous that the world has not recognized my unique genius, whatever it, uh, may be.

104 subpatre  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:02:57am

"It may be true that Rather did not vet the information supplied to him by producers, but few anchor people do. They are dependent on other journalists, and this is a huge flaw in the system." --Bill O'Reilly

O'Reilly misses what Dan rather actually said:

"I believe, uh, I known that this story is true. I believe the witnesses and the documents are authentic. We wouldn't have gone to air if they had not been. There isn't going to be, there's no, what'd you say, apology? Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you if I've not made clear to you; I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true." --Dan Rather [emphasis original]

Rather took the responsibility that the story met his criteria for "truth". Too bad Rather's definition doesn't meet the rest of the country's criteria for truth.

105 SwampWoman  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:04:19am

#103 Correction:

The word I was trying to type is "ridiculing".

PAMP (Preview ain't my problem).

106 Susanita  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:04:24am

#24
You are so right that he is now trying to takes both sides of every issue. Why? Thats not "no spin" - that is 2 spins.

He has a radio commercial here in Dallas on talk radio where he couldn't even give his opinion on the product that he was promoting -
I can tell you that I get better sleep - and have been since I got the bed - but I can't say for sure it is the mattress.
And they are paying him! (It has since been edited to leave out the last line)
He has become a parody of himself. If he can't see that Dan Rather brought this upon himself then he is an idiot!

107 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:05:19am

#97 andrew 2

Not only is he a complete sell out, but he is rude and overpowers anyone who he 'interviews'....he was a local reporter here, on Channel 2, wcbs, in NY.

Here is his CV: About Bill O'Reilly

Success rally has gone to his head, and IMHO, he is now obnoxious, overbearing and self righteous.

He does have some good points to make, at times. Next comes his line of homemade jams and jellied, sold on line! :)

108 rotkapchen  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:09:21am

I just have to comment. Sorry, if this has already been covered, but O'Reilly is a 'tool' and the quality of his program has been going downhill for months. To me, it looks like the guy has been trying to suck-up to CBS in the hope of getting the Rather gig. Too bad, his show used to be worth watching, but not anymore. Maybe Fox can replace him with Tony Snow?

109 Queasy  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:10:01am

Isn't O'Reilly constantly going on about the powerful looking out for the powerful?

Who's looking out for you indeed Mr. O'Reilly....

110 pookleblinky  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:12:54am

#103 Swampwoman

And I thought that he used kid gloves on people he should have been hitting with boxing gloves, and riduling people that should have been interviewed.

Actually, this amounts to the same thing. The reason why boxers wear those gloves is to reduce the amount of damage. That is why newbies get enormous gloves, while the pros get to wear smaller ones. To punch someone in kid's gloves would have the most impact, its force not being distributed across as broad an area.

/I stopped watching him a year ago, after he rebutted a socialist's plan to enslave us bynothing more than saying, "come on!"

111 Carolina Girl  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:16:30am

#19 dustyroadguy

Exactly! Apparently in O'Reilly's haste to defend Rather's use of forged memoranda, he decided Rather the anchor couldn't be responsible for his fact checkers.

And as you've pointed out, Rather the f***ing Managing Editor should damn well have been!

And considering Buckhead at Freep and Charles had the forgery story up and running 12 hours after the damn story aired means that Rather's people did a crap job.

Turn out the lights, Bill - your party's over. Thank god our local station here has replaced him with Glenn Beck from 9:00 to 11:00 a.m.!

And hope all ya'll had a nice Thanksgiving. Loved the shots of our men and women during football. Found myself waving back.

112 Joel  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:16:45am

There are more liberals on Fox News then there are conservatives at CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS put together.

113 toddhisattva  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:16:48am

#53 monkeyweather

Since when is it not "dishonest" to have a hidden AGENDA, but to present yourself as having no agenda atall? [emphasis added -t]

((You said the magic words! Click, buzz, whirr....))

There is nothing dishonest about Hidden Agenda: what you hear is what you get.

" Our songs seek to offend and disgust: creations that violate natural law and beg to be put out of their misery. Not to mention your misery. We delight in the unpleasant, the off key, the mediocre, the inappropriate, and the just plain depraved."

Hidden Agenda is Proud to be The Great Satan.

You can join the Hellfire Club and get to Kill Yourself for Satan, "put the barrel in your mouth, pull the trigger with your toe: it's the Hemming-way to go!"

Learn that Violence is the Answer, "it doesn't matter what the question is."

Shoot at the moon-bats with A Gun Named Jesus (a Desert Eagle).

Don't miss their Teddy Rabbits and Bunny Bears: Songs for Children, which makes a great stocking-stuffer.

You can even listen to a fellow LGF'er, me!, play guitar on the Britney tribute, Super Star Teenage Slut.

And then you can calm down contemplating the Eagle on the Beach.

114 Thor  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:19:03am

O'Reilly does not have all the facts and is rendering the judgment the Mr. Rather could not/would not lie.

First of all, that is just plain silly. All people lie at some point in their life.

It defies logic to write an article like this.

The investigation is not yet done and the Guard Gate report has not been released.

How can O'Reilly release this article when he himself does not know for sure what happened and who did what?

He can't say Mr. Rather was smeared unless he knows all the facts.

115 Joel  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:20:18am

The Economist on Dan Rather:

Mr Rather's reputation has not recovered from a “60 Minutes” documentary which tried to raise questions about George Bush junior's service in the Texas National Guard. Mr Rather claimed to have documents proving that Mr Bush had violated a direct order to take a physical examination, and also that his superiors had been put under pressure to “sugarcoat” his evaluation. But within 14 hours internet sleuths had shown that the documents were forgeries. Mr Rather stood by his story for 12 excruciating days, while his supporters arrogantly contrasted the network's rigorous fact-checking with “a guy sitting in his living room in his pyjamas writing”. But the pyjama guy turned out to be right.
116 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:23:18am

O'Reilly's problem is trying to suck up to the people who hate him, a classic "moderate/independant" problem.

He wouldn't defend Rather if he weren't a CBS guy for many years.

The pandering to Kerry during the campaign was painful to watch. And what was the result? Kerry was still afraid to appear with him and then trashed FNC anyway on his underground viedo from acouple weeks ago.

And he laughlably goes on about "right-wing" radio.

He might actually get ratings for that awful radio show of his if he was a right-winger.

117 pookleblinky  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:24:45am
But the pyjama guy turned out to be right.


New Superhero: Pyjama Guy!

Only the Pyjama Guy knows what evil lurks in the hearts of the morlocks...

"What's that on your couch?"
"A pile of clothes!"
"A dead wombat!"
"No, it's Pyjama Guy!"

118 WOMBAT  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:32:05am

*NOW WE SEE THE TRUE FACE OF THE LEPROCHAUN.

119 pa_infidel  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:32:15am

Bill OReilly can piss you off one moment and then you will agree with him... I like how he goes after the ACLU and their objectives, and i like his ideas about our borders

120 Midwest Pundit  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:39:56am

"The spin stops.... Huh?"

Bill has lost it...

I used to enjoy his show so much when he used to blast the libs left and right.

Then... he started comparing "Michael Moore" to "Ann Coulter" never mind the fact that MM gets his facts from outerspace.

He calls "both sides" at fault equally... What bullshit!

He says both sides are lobbing.....

He's over and who did he think listened to him? The libs can't stand him and never will unless he becomes one (which he might).

I did love that "spin" stuff. Too bad it doesn't stop with Bill!

121 Model4  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:40:14am

#112 Joel:

There are more liberals on Fox News then there are conservatives at CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS put together.

Hmm, not only is this true, but Fox News hires more liberals than those networks combined. Don't believe me? Just ask them what liberals they have on staff. "Why, none of course! While its true that the vast majority of us find ourselves voting for Democrats every time for decades, and believed John Kerry to be too much a conservative centrist, I can't think of anyone who works here who you could say is a liberal."

Its all about honesty, and for today's liberals there is no truth but power.

122 AngryDumbo  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:40:34am

BOR is still lookin for love in all the wrong places. Trying to cozy up to the LLL faction by defending rather is as desperate and personal as it sounds. The left can't wait for O'Reilly to do himself in and claim that Al Franken was the culprit. O'Reilly, if you are out there, the first step towards regaining your audience is admitting that you have a problem. Or you can remain in denial and peddle loofahs and falafel. Can you say Mort Downey?

123 pookleblinky  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:45:06am

Here is a wombat for you.

Google Imagesearch Wombats for more

124 rw in san diego  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:51:04am

I got fed up with O'R when he claimed that Gore would have won if only he had had the nerve to go on the Factor. What arrogance! I stopped watching him. BTW is anyone else tired of the 'fair and balanced' stuff. I just want the facts, thank you. You don't have to 'balance' them for me. Actually, I think O'R does too much 'balancing'.

125 dixie normous  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:53:47am

In my most humble opinion, O'reilly has lost all credibility. My belief is that he lies about his own values and opinions just to "appear" to remain in the middle and to have the liberals like him, at least some of the time.

I used to watch him, but now he is the worst thing on Foxnews.

This latest comment about Rather just solidifies my feelings about him.

126 mad_scientist  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:02:47am
Let me ask you something: In the future, do you think potential public servants and social crusaders are going to risk being brutally attacked within this insane system?


What exactly is he trying to say here? That the blogs are bad for the "system"? What system would he rather have? One where journalists can say whatever they damn well please without fear of being criticized or fact-checked? WTF is O'Reilley thinking?

I used to watch O'Reilley, as well as my parents, every night. But recently he has been going a bit nutty taking positions (such as this one) that seem to contradict the opinions he expressed that got him viewers in the first place.

127 mad_scientist  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:04:28am

Whoops, bad grammer in my previous post.....

Should say:

"I, as well as my parents, used to watch O'Reilly everynight....."


carry on....

128 Lively  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:05:27am

No matter how many good things BOR says about Big MSM and/or Hollywood Stars.....both groups will always hate him for what he's said in the past. He should stop pandering. It's unbecoming.

129 Beagle  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:08:24am

#126 mad_scientist

What exactly is he trying to say here?

I think O'Reilly is suggesting his alleigance to the MSM over the facts coming out. CBS could have chosen not to run a story based on obvious forgeries their experts were warning them about. But it's the pajamarines who are eeeevil! O'Reilly is at least one suit short of a full deck.

130 Joel  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:08:45am

Model4

Let me count the liberals who appear regularly on Fox News

Alan Colmes, Geraldo Rivera, Geraldine Ferrero, Robert Reich, Ellen Ratner, Greta van Sustern, Susan Estrich, Juan Williams, Mara Eliason, Jeff Cohen and I am sure that I have left off many others.

Conservatives on other networks:

CNN - Tucker Carlson (not much of a Conservative)
MSNBC - Dennis Miller and Joe Scarborough
NBC - Robert Novak, Pat Buchanan, William Safire
ABC - George Will

131 SwampWoman  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:12:18am

#110 pookle

Actually, this amounts to the same thing. The reason why boxers wear those gloves is to reduce the amount of damage. That is why newbies get enormous gloves, while the pros get to wear smaller ones. To punch someone in kid's gloves would have the most impact, its force not being distributed across as broad an area.

/I stopped watching him a year ago, after he rebutted a socialist's plan to enslave us bynothing more than saying, "come on!"

Thanks for the correction. All these years I've been handling my crystal with "kid gloves" and should have been using boxing gloves with it!

Oh, well, I MEANT he gingerly stroked the large egos of some guests that should have been stomped like cockroaches while takin' a sledgehammer to others that should have been merely questioned about their points of view. Is that better?

132 sawadee63  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:18:08am

O'Reilly is an opportunist who will do whatever it takes to broaden his fan base. Lately he has shifted portside only because he feels this will attract more viewers.

Did you notice before the election that he wanted viwers to guess who he (O'Reilly) supported for President not who the viewers were supporting. This is an Adonis Complex based on past ratings and book sales success.

O'Reilly started tracking southpaw when he equated the Swift Boat Ads with the TANG Smear despite the fact that the former was based on both factual and circumstantial evidence and the latter on forged documents and innuendo. This was part of an unsuccessful suckup to get Candidate Kerry to appear on his show.

A key to O'Reilly's faked tough-guy image is when under pressure from a questionable sexual harrasment suit Billy Boy caved in and said 'no mas no mas'. So not only is O'Reilly a phony conservative, he's also a fake hero. Also remember he also wanted Bush to appoint Bill Clinton Secretary of State.

Now our total fake is drifting to the left of Chris Mathews in defending the indefensible Dan Rather. Amazing.

133 rastajenk  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:25:53am

I keep seeing people pining for Tony Snow, but I don't see it. The guy might be informed, smart, judicious, and lots of other good stuff, but basically he is boring, which is the worst sin for a TV personality. I heard him once sitting in for some other radio host, and it was painfully uninteresting. Sorry, but limited exposures of Snow is best for himself and everyone else.

134 mad_scientist  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:27:14am

sawadee

O'Reilly is an opportunist who will do whatever it takes to broaden his fan base. Lately he has shifted portside only because he feels this will attract more viewers.

That is the kicker about this. It WONT broaden his fan base or ratings. It was his tough guy persona, and "non spin zone" that got him his base in the first place......he was more often than not conservative in his opinions when first starting.

By him shifting to the center, or even a little left on many opinions (like this doosey about rather) he is going to lose many viewers (including me).

IMO this all has to do with his ego......he wants ratings, so he is moving left to pick up what he thinks will be more viewers, thinking the conservatives in his audience will blindly follow him as he goes. He couldnt be more wrong.

135 FloridaHeat  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:33:09am

#126 mad_scientist

recently he has been going a bit nutty taking positions (such as this one) that seem to contradict the opinions he expressed that got him viewers in the first place

I've been nodding my head through this entire thread... but I think you hit the nail on the head. Though others may have seen signs before the election, I became disgusted with him when he showed his bias over the Swifties. I felt somewhat betrayed that he led us all to believe he held our values, when clearly he does not.

136 mad_scientist  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:38:36am

#135 FloridaHeat

I became disgusted with him when he showed his bias over the Swifties.

Yep, he towed the MSM/Kerry line on that story.....really ticked me off too.

137 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:40:23am

I'm just glad O'reilly doesn't have my phone number.

138 ThomasAgee  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:41:14am

#90 #132 #134

So right, all of you.

A centrist is just like lukewarm water, or room temp beer, you want to spit it out of your mouth. He tries to have it both ways & not piss off too many from either side, but we're on to him now. I don't watch him any more either. He sure caved in pretty fu***n quick after his lawyers got the tapes with the dirty talk. Hopefully his viewership plummets & some guest comes on & starts needling him about the tapes. He's turned into what he used to rail against. Hypocritical a**wipe.

139 Tim in PA  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 9:45:21am

Let's not forget this is the same Bill O'Reilley who, not too long ago, whined that the internet gives people too much of a voice, and so therefore the 1st Amendment should be interpreted collectively. He seems decidedly anti-blogger to me.

140 Uncle Jack  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 10:01:04am

He might as well sign on with CBS in whatever fashion he feels appropriate. It'll be great, the moonbats will think a spy is in their midst and no one, I repeat NO ONE, will follow him over from Fox because he has already been written off as a little left of center anyway.

No spin, my ass.

141 The New World  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 10:16:59am
Bill O’Reilly is defending the indefensible, and it looks an awful lot like the Old Boy network closing ranks, with more than a hint of fear.

This was exactly the same thought I had. The fact that he would do so is a little surprising, given that O'Reilly generally separates himself from the MSM. Maybe he is not so different after all.

142 Ray Precin  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 10:19:00am

A few months ago I added fox news to my program options on Dish. It cost $10 a month extra, but for a change I wanted to hear some news commentators that weren't so flaming liberal. At first it seemed great because in comparison to the networks it seemed to be conservative. Little by little I found that I was upset with the coverage and realized that it was getting to be as bad as the networks and hey! who needs that? The latest out of O'reilly makes me sick. The good part of this is that I not only can sever Fox news from my programming, but I save $10 a month as well.

143 Sol Roth  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 10:29:49am

Probably already been said:

Sounds like O'Reilly has something to hide, cause he is ignoring the facts of the case. Can't believe in anyone anymore.

144 earth56  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 10:30:14am

Just a link about good old Dan and the influence of the BLOGS

www.economist.com...] target="_blank">

145 earth56  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 10:31:06am

Link..oops

[Link: www.economist.com...]

146 moonsbreath  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 10:39:23am

O'Reilly needs to watch Brit Hume's program. In the past few weeks leading up to the attack on Fallujah, if I had just watched O'Reilly's spin, I would have believed our troops didn't have a prayer.
Several times what O'Reilly said didn't correspond with what I had seen earlier on Hume's program. Then I watched Hannity and what he said did correspond with Hume.
I have decided to spin-out of the Factor when he talks about Iraq.

147 pookleblinky  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 10:45:15am

Google Bill O'Reilly, then scroll down. You might get a shock toward the end of the first page.

148 Athos  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 11:00:08am

All that is needed is for a cartoon of the MSM leaders - Rather, Brokaw, Jennings, O'Reilly, NY Times circling the wagons as the pajamahadeen approach.....

That's all that O'Reilly is doing - defending not so much Rather - but MSM where he makes his bread and butter. O'Reilly dropped the ball big time with the Swift Boat Vets - following the standard MSM efforts to ignore them until his own viewers raised such a din that he had to respond 3-4 weeks later. He has missed another opportunity (in his words) "Looking out for us" in terms of Rather's blatant bias and shameful, unprofessional participation in using obviously false documents to smear the President and attempt to influence an election.

Let O'Reilly keep bleating - he will soon find himself as irrelevant as the vast majority of MSM.

Oh, and some advice for O'Reilly - if you want to police the smear merchants in the blogosphere - take a look at DU, Daily Kos, Wonkette, and Indymedia. Oh, by the way, where do all of those sites fall in the political spectrum?

'Nuff said.

149 maf  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 11:01:05am

time for buzz o'reilly to buzz off.

150 oceanfire  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 11:05:26am

If what Rather showed as credible news was defensible, then the allegations would likely have dissipated given the incredible amount of power and influence that the MSM has. C'mon, give me a break. Even with my very limited experience with typewriters I could tell that there was something fishy about the memo--shouldn't anyone who was putting their career on the line to vouch for their authenticity want to make certain that they were what they claimed? And another thing, when you are giving out news to the public, a lifetime of "honorable service" doesn't cut it in regards to that one story. You have to prove that you're trustworthy every time, especially if you hope to affect the outcome of the presidential election with your report.

And what's up with the domino effect arguement? Does O'Reilly seriously think that just because the internet exists and people are able to publish their opinions that people are going to be too scared to go into positions of publice service and that those who want to try to change the world won't because they're scared? Only people with something to hide talk that way, Bill.

151 moonsbreath  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 11:11:05am

Go to Boortz.com and do a search on "Bill O'Reilly." Some funny stuff.

152 Daybrother  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 11:12:09am

I quit watching him over the swifties snub also. His pandering to Kerry sealed, sealed the deal.
I remember an interview a year or two ago where he talked about how his producer had helped him "position" himself politically on his show over time for maximum ratings. He has lost touch with reality now and his conduct in the phonesex lawsuit was disgusting. I would have at least a little respect for him had he admitted the truth instead of the pre-emptive smokescreen followed by a payoff. Beagle is correct in my opinion: BOR has defined himself as "one of the powerful" and there is no going back from there. What all of these people seem to misunderstand is that (as proved by the recent election), "You can fool some of the....." is still very true and the majority want some semblence of honesty in their news/entertainment. They won't watch someone they have no respect for; shouldn't that be obvious to even the most simple? Even a media producer/broadcaster?

153 RightDad  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 11:28:49am

#36
Bill Steps up for Danny, because Bill too was guilty. He picked a chic that fianlly got balls, enough financial and emotional problems that called him out.
Years of Hard work...ok but Years of honor..well having honor means having it all the time, If you are honorable sometimes and not others, then you don't have honor what you have is 'most people' nice sometimes but selfish and mean other times....It takes really special people to be have true honor so let's not throw it around for every guy who worked hard at onething while not on otherthings.

I don't know what is up with Billy Boy...I like his show, but he has written a bunch of columns that are just wrong... This one is only topped by the whole 'we have to get out of Iraq' column he wrote recently...Billy Boy ...how long until we bring the troops home from: Germany, France, Britain, Japan, Korea, Phillipines, Cuba, Texas? WE will have and will need bases in Iraq and Afganistan for the next 50 years and we will be fighting the RoP in a deadly struggle for the next 10-12 years (3.5 years into the fight as we speak)

154 ToxMan  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 11:46:06am

slime knows slime

155 Studsup  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 12:07:17pm

O'Reilly is still trying to be "one of the guys". It really bugs him that he is considered subpar to his peers like Rather, Jennings and Brokaw. So, he has to kiss up and show his liberal bona fides if he is ever going to join the club.

Rather's involvement in this was despicable. O"Reilly's craven shilling for Rather is even more obnoxious.

156 theheat  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 12:11:35pm

This is one of those "people in glass houses" lessons, the same as Rush Limbaugh (aka Mr. Hillbilly Heroine on Divorce #2 or #3) has intimate familiarity.

Case in point: Rush spent years making fun of any minute detail of Democratic indescretions and moral weakness, only to find that wasn't exactly an exclusive club. Enter: embarrassment and lack of credibility.

LESSON:
You can only point the sanctimonious finger toward others for so long before your own dirty laundry may tumble out of the closet.

O'Reilly, last I heard, had some pretty legitimate, well-documented charges against him for sexual harrassment. He's probably pandering for future sympathy and understanding when more details of the case are revealed.

Therefore, the not-so-honest media dinosaur known as Dan Rather could be a "friend in need" sometime in the not-so-distant future.

It doesn't surprise me, either, as O'Reilly has become too loathesome to endure about 50% of the time. The other 50%, I find him something more close to interesting.

157 Joshua Godinez  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 12:42:58pm

I have no clue why O'Reilly is popular. I thought he was okay when he first started, but I didn't really watch him. When I looked at him again he seemed like someone who had no core beliefs, but rather went after whatever topic he thought he could get the most mileage with. When Fox was new and attracting brand-new viewers who had turned off network and cable news, O'Reilly seemed more conservative because that was what was selling. When the shine wore off, he strayed the other way to attract other viewers. When he added his radio program, I tried to listen, but it became more obvious that he was just a windbag. I just don't think he is correct or entertaining. I read his column in the paper today and was disgusted with his obvious attempt to cover his own rear end while insulting anyone who followed the memo forgery story. Okay, he had his 15 minutes. Time to move on.

158 myoclonic jerk  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 12:43:35pm

#156 The heat

Your post led me to realize something. Both Dan and Bill might be in cahoots. Bill helps Dan now, Dan helps Bill later. Hillarity then ensues as Bill and Dan hatch a plot to each kill each other's enemies (a la "Throw Momma from the Train").

159 huckfunn  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 12:55:57pm

I've pretty much had it with Mr. Bill and his self-promotion. In trying to be controversial, he panders to those people and issues that don't deserve to be pandered to.

more than a few of the accusations against Kerry were simply untrue

I haven't heard of 1 accusation against Kerry that has been proved to be untrue.

Dan Rather did not get what he deserved in this case.

Now that's true! Rather should have been pilloried, sued for libel, indicted for fraud and ridden out of See-BS on a rail years ago.

Bill, you and Dan Rather have become irrelevant.

AND THAT'S A MEMO!

160 kansas  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 12:56:43pm

To #125
I used to watch him, but now he is the worst thing on Foxnews.

If he is the worst that would mean Greta is better? I think its a tie for crap after Brit Hume. Lately Hannity is quite grating and reruns of 7th Heaven are better. Of course I could go to MSNBC and watch Olberman......or I could hang myself.

161 pookleblinky  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 1:00:23pm

#160 Kansas

The most consistent news station is Al Jazeera. It is completely false, every single thing they say is spun into moonbatland.

Play OPPOSITE DAY!

Just reverse everything said on Al Jazeera, and you will have a brilliantly conservative station!

162 yochanan  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 1:09:04pm

seams O'riely has lost the use of his brass ones. I guess they went through the ringer with his sex suit

163 JP  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 2:12:52pm

Bill has bitten the hand that fed him. It would be easy to say that he is nothing more than a slick talking used car salesman, but that would be an insult to used car salemen.

164 Hankmeister  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 3:08:31pm

I soured on Bill O'Reilly about a year ago. It's becoming increasingly clear to me he's more concerned about how others in the partisan media syndicate (pms) view him than delivering no-holds-barred stories. He's starting to spin in his own no-spin zone.

Here's the problem with Dan Blather. The man started lying to himself about his own objectivity years if not decades ago - he is beyond being simply a dishonest man.

"To whom much is given much is required" and a lot of public trust was given to Dan over the years and he abused that trust from Rathergate I right through to Rathergate II. As a fellow Texan I'm disgusted with a man who puts on such pretense and airs about being an unbiased, professional journalists and then find himself embroiled in one media scandal after another or asking "tough questions" of conservatives that he never asks of liberals. Anybody that sucks up to Castro and Hussein after painting himself as some hard-nosed journalist is a jerk in my book.

165 hazzyday  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 3:19:30pm

*** Mackris *** she is on the beach drinking Rum and Cokes now. She pussy whipped OReilly bad cause his stick wouldn't let him keep his mouth shut. He used to rail against Rather for his unaccountability due to his power. Now he is seeing that he wants the same thing. Rather is a more stand up guy than Oreilly in this one instance. Bill Clinton is ok to him now also. He'll be lat unch with Jesse Jackson soon, then Al Franken.

Oreilly will fall further. He still gives women schtick on the show. "Let the good looking ones talk first" Telling Arthell that her new show was basically a cooking show and that he would come on and cook something with her. Oh! He's just joking. Yes, but with a purpose. He is pissing on someone elses paycheck. He did the same to John K, and Pat Cadell one night. He got called on it a bit then. Watch the other Fox blue collar workers on the shows ocnly smear him a bit also.

His achilles heel is his weak sense of himself. All his opponents have to do is slam him personally a lot and he will pop.

Btw am watching him right now... nothing else interested me.

166 michaelg  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 3:21:42pm

Watching O'Reilly now. He's definitely running for Rather's replacement. Said something like "Evening news needs to be more exciting, do a feature, and a couple of interviews..."

Do you suppose Bill knows how to do this?

167 Duke Newcombe  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 3:21:49pm

Sorry, this thread is the "tipping point" for me where I start to question LGF as a source of a sane view of the world and begin to wonder "hey, maybe these people ARE crazy?"

Reading this, I half-heartedly expected to see a giant sarcasm tag at the bottom of this thread. So now even Fox news is part of the left-wing media conspiracy? FOX NEWS? I can't even say that with a straight face... It must be because that arch-leftie enemy of capitalism Rupert Murdoch came over from Australia to try and steal your guns and convert you to Communism.

You. Cannot. Be. Serious.

Can you?

168 michaelg  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 3:27:06pm

#167 Duke Newcombe

If you could point out a couple of posts you disagree with, I'd be happy to look at your argument. I don't agree or disagree with you, I'm just to lazy to scan the whole thread for evidence of what you're talking about.

Cheers!

169 hazzyday  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 3:42:50pm

#167 Duke

Be a little stronger. Read critically regardless of left or right.

170 hazzyday  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 3:51:24pm

Also, MSM (inc oreilly) are aghast that there are people out there who consider a blog their primary news source. Just like all these actors who hate reality TV players. The fact that people want something real and true scares them.

171 Rock  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 4:29:03pm

I know this is late and maybe nobody else will read it, but we stopped watching O'Reilly a few years back after he took up the case of the woman in Florida whose daughter had been kidnapped and taken to Saudi to live. This happened about 15-20 years ago, and she's been fighting to at least see the girl ever since. O'Reilly was peeved at State and appeared to join the fight.

Then a few weeks later he had the woman on the show again, and announced that HE had made arrangements to see the girl in Britain, on the condition that the mother not be informed. She was stunned and incredibly hurt, it was plain, but he copped an attitude and told her "I don't know what more you want me to do, I did everything and she says she doesn't want to see you so there's nothing else to do. In our next segment..."

What an unbelievable bastard.

172 Duke Newcombe  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 4:29:42pm

#168 michaelg

If you could point out a couple of posts you disagree with, I'd be happy to look at your argument.

Some posts that stated or implied that Fox News has a liberal bias (to varying degrees):

I've said it before, Bill O'Reilly is not the conservative he claims to be. Neither is Foxnews
At first it seemed great because in comparison to the networks it seemed to be conservative. Little by little I found that I was upset with the coverage and realized that it was getting to be as bad as the networks
I've noticed Bill "becoming" more left over the past few years.
Hmm, not only is this true, but Fox News hires more liberals than those networks combined.
I think Fox News is fairly fair and balanced, and may even tilt slightly L on some issues

Now, I personally don't think that Fox News is the right-wing extremist propaganda arm of Bushitler's Fourth Reich that some would assert (a la "Outfoxed"), but to say that it's biased in the other direction just stretches credibility beyond breaking point for me. Fox News is easily the most conservative leaning of the major networks.

The entire presentation is packaged with patriotic imagery (the flag fluttering in the corner etc etc) and the editorial comment (especially from Brit Hume) is almost unanimously pro-Bush, pro-WoT, pro-America and pro-Israel.

It's always dubious to prove a point by saying it's "self-evident", but isn't Fox's conservative slant self-evident to you within 5 minutes of turning on the tube? When people start slamming Fox for it's "liberal" bias, I just get a "through-the-looking-glass" feeling, like we are inhabiting different realities, or our worldviews have so little overlap that communication is impossible.

You can always say "well, Fox only seems conservative because the other networks are so liberal", but if Fox is really liberal, then liberal compared to what? Ann Coulter's website?

173 Duke Newcombe  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 4:33:43pm

#168 michaelg

P.S. I should point out that I disagree with O'Reilly's defence of Dan Rather, like everyone else here. What I have a problem with is attributing this to "liberal" tendencies on the part of either O'Reilly or Fox News.

174 Former Lurker  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 4:59:07pm

If I wasn't taking care of my 80-year-old mother, I would never watch O'Reilly. She watches him every night. My sister also likes him. He is such a pompous jerk. My guess is that his defense of Rather may have something to do with his dust-up with Drudge. He feels that he and Dan have something in common: they were "slimed" by Internet "character assasination." He is totally ignorant about blogs.

Even though I despise him more than O'Reilly, I wish Al Franken would really bitch-slap him!

175 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 5:14:43pm

Rather was smeared? Baloney! He is taking deserved heat for trying to smear someone else....the President. Saying Rather was smeared is like saying that some who punched you in the nose was "assaulted" because you hit him back. For O"Reilly to take this untenable position he must be bucking for Rather's job or some other political favor.

176 hazzyday  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:10:25pm

But on the other hand, he is also one the main people sticking up for the Marine in Iraq.

177 pwinWHOH  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 6:19:07pm

Bill O'Rielly ----Booo Hoooo WaaaaaaHhhhhhh ! Poor danny-boy was ----Waaaahhhhhh --- "slimed" .......


What the heck, does he thiunk the dan-jerk deserves a pass just because he's a lying "journalist" passing off his distorted opinion as "factual evidence" ...

Now we'll have to have a "No Cry Zone" for journalists.
[Link: WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...] !

178 HULUGU  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 8:05:29pm

guys who brag to their female employee underlings about how big their schlong is should shut the fuck up and be glad that they have the money to pay them off--in the non -media world- without his ratings- he would've been fired asap- no corporation would've put up with an out of control phone sex executive--his "bombthrower" and "defamation" rants are dumb--just argue with facts reils not labels--he sounds like pooty tang playin' dozens in the hood with his boys

179 big L  Mon, Nov 29, 2004 10:55:43pm

You have Rather's non-apology apology
which is like a non-denial denial of Watergate fame.

Then appointment of Thornburgh committee to seeif there were any lies.

then this phony pre-set non-termination termination of Rather's
anchor desk job.

Now BOR has this screed on how bloggers did Rather wrong! (Can you imagine we are seeing a major corp try to bring down a Pres with Lies?With Phony documents?)

It looks like a set-up to re-direct the issue, to salvage CBS ratings and stock.

Next will be stories smearing the Blogs and the inevitable lawsuit.

Also this keeps attention focussed away from Kerry lawyers trying to engineer the OHIO RECOUNT. Kerry wants to be inaugurated on Jan 20, 05. And he is saying one thing publicly and doing 180 degree different behind the scenes, true to his past.

This whole BOR thing is a scam to have people 'look over here"
and see that nothing is up their sleeve.

No coverage on the Ohio recount issue and Kerry people know that they can get Ohio and get the Presidency.

180 Jed  Tue, Nov 30, 2004 4:02:53am

I used to like O'Reilly.......

181 royaloakdad13  Tue, Nov 30, 2004 5:43:15am

#142 Ray Precin Don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Granted, O'Reilly is stinking out the joint; but the list of good newsmen and worthwhile commentary far outweighs BOR's tripe. Before you quit Fox, try catching Brit Hume with Charles Krauthammer, The Beltway Boys (Fred Barnes & Mort Kondracke), Hannity & Colmes, Newswatch with Cal Thomas and Jim Pinkerton. Heartland with John Kasich is not bad, and Oliver North's "War Stories" are a constant reminder of the futility of appeasement. No, I don't own stock in Fox; but I'm convinced it's worth at least $10.00 a month.

182 Al di Grandpa  Tue, Nov 30, 2004 7:07:09am

O'Reilly is not 'one size fits all' There are times I just turn him off. Or don't watch for days. But no TV person takes on the ACLU as well as he does...And the ACLU needs a public opponent. I think Fox News is balanced, but in the face of the 'old' media even that can look liberal.

A

183 Joel  Tue, Nov 30, 2004 7:42:01am

Wahtever faults Fox has it is head and shoulders superior to MSNBC, CNN and the Alphabet networks.

184 A Reader  Tue, Nov 30, 2004 8:37:58am

"unfair freedom of speech"

Sounds like O'Reilly's "Irish" is coming out. He's beginning to sound like uncle Paddy Buchanan.

What is it with some Catholic conservatives?

185 A Reader  Tue, Nov 30, 2004 8:49:30am
#23

I hate the word "progressive"!

It's more accurate than liberal. These mooks are anything but "tolerante of the ideas of others" or "not limited to authortarian attitudes."

Progressive defines what their point of view is, however unprogressive the results.


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