Footnotes! Propaganda with footnotes? Unheard of!

/I wish to remind people that Lenin's famous Imperialismus lacked footnotes to explain his famous chart.

I'm getting more and more distrustful of MPAC.

Ahh, beat me by one second that time, pookle.

Ha ha
Don't let facts ever get in the way!

I stopped at page 5:

"ISLAMIC VALUES OF MERCY, JUSTICE, PEACE, HUMAN DIGNITY, FREEDOM AND EQUALITY FOR ALL."

Now thats propaganda!

Another great public service from lgf.

MPAC, CAIR, et al, are just trojan horses.

counterproductive to them, of course...only them

#3 Zombie

Green briefs or boxers?

Look at page 2, and all the signoffs from all the good Christian and Jewish dhimmis.

Ha!

*Snoopy dance of the six-shooter spin*

_{not to be confused with the *Snoopy dance of the cowboy stripper*}

#7 composmentis
Much more interesting is seeing a certain other z-initialed lizardoid walking around in Victoria's Secret! My binoculars get all steamy.

Damn, I wonder how many copies of this are floating around? It was done on an office binding machine (look at the holes on the left).

Yeah, right! Be good little dhimmi's and go back to sleep ...

Page 30-32 has mosque guidelines!
Yes you heard me right.

Thank you mpac! I am having some quality laughs over this one.

Gee, I think that Emerson really has MPAC worried.

Religion
Of
Propaganda

/opps thats hate-speech. As punishment I will watch as much CBS as I can handle before paranoia sets in.

This document is a fatwa against Emerson.
Now he is in immediate danger.

The muslims in the States think they are strong and protected enough to start targeting single persons (a la Theo Van Gogh).

Beware everybody, there is a change of PHASE.

This document is so full of taqqiyah that it's ridiculous.

Joke of the day! Scroll down to page three and see that the name of the first "Supporter" is a Rev. Ed BACON!

Is a Bwahahaha appropriate?

On page 42: The page title

'Counterterrorism Policy Paper'

is in scare quotes. Very telling.

#17 WC

I don't mean to monopolize this thread, but I wouldn't use the world "ridiculous" to qualify the start of a new phase in the islamic war inside the States against the States.

It's time for us to understand that the WORDS of the invaders become, in 100% of cases, blood and death.

This kind of document is a finger pointing at a victim that must be hit by the mujaheddins, let's not laugh about it.

Seems that most of it is scanned newspaper reports to bulk it up. Doesn't make sense.

I'll repost what I wrote on a near-dead thread on this topic last Thursday:

They want us to think and believe they, meaning Muslims, are just like everyone else. That way we will be drawn to believe Islam is just another religion, a non-threat, and therefore, render us less inclined to scrutinize or question their motives and intentions, or to examine Islam. When anyone fails to act according to script, they become outraged (or feign it). I am deeply disturbed by this interfaith, interorganizational activity I keep seeing, just as I am by Christian groups doing so little to help the dhimmi. I know of no predominately Muslim nation that offers religious freedom across the board. The excuse I keep seeing and hearing, that what goes on in some Muslim country or under some Muslim group is somehow beyond the scope or reign of influence of other Muslim groups or nations I'm just not buying. They have their international organizations, their leagues, and broad influence. To continue to do and say nothing, when it is genocide and slavery and oppression in their backyard, on such a broad scale, is beyond reprehensible, and should serve notice to anyone paying attention what Islam means when it means action, and not simply words.

Emerson on MPAC before the 9/11 Commission on July 9, 2003:

From the portion entitled

Non-Profits and NGOs support Terror (scroll down):

An analysis of reactions from "moderate" Muslim leaders in the US to domestic counter-terrorism efforts since 9/11 illustrates an ingrained distrust for US actions, and a policy of inculcating the Muslim population in anti-government and anti-integrationist propaganda.

It is tempting to believe that these speakers, conventions and bookstores are aberrations, that they do not represent any significant portion of the population. However, while it is more common for speakers to couch their support for terror in terms of human rights, freedom of speech, and ultimately self-determination, a large portion of US Muslim leaders refuse to condemn terrorist groups by name, or even acknowledge the existence of "Islamic fundamentalism," a term they claim is an invective and racist concoction against the Muslim world. When terrorist arrests have been made since 9/11 or the assets of terrorist groups frozen, these same Islamic leaders-many of whom have been invited to the White House in recent years or to Congress-have condemned government actions as "anti-Islam" and even as part of the on-going "crusades" against Islam. Perpetuating this victimhood mentality that Islam is under attack is the same ideological mechanism used by Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezzbollah and every other militant Islamic group to justify their terrorist attacks

Even regarding the horrors of September 11, US Muslim and Arab leaders have been reluctant to accept that Muslims were responsible for the attacks. Some US Muslim leaders and organizations actually joined with fringe and racist groups in formulating elaborate conspiracy theories claiming that Israel was behind the attacks, possibly with US government complicity. After the release of a video in which bin Laden took credit for the attacks, some leaders claimed the tape was a U.S. government forgery.

Even when finally accepting Osama bin Laden's responsibility for the attacks, some of these organizations offer only partial condemnations of terrorism. For years, groups have justified terrorist acts against Israel, saying Israel's actions in Lebanon and against Palestinian terrorists make Israel a deserving target. Since September 11, various leaders and groups have argued that attacks on US interests are an extension of the same justifiable conflict, as the US supports Israel and undemocratic Middle Eastern regimes.

And, scolling down further:

Muslim Public Affairs Council

The Muslim Public Affairs Council, MPAC, is another large Muslim American group that has failed to unequivocally condemn terrorism. Like CAIR, MPAC refuses to consider Muslim culpability in anti-US terror, and has implied that US support for Israel caused the 9/11 attacks.

On August 13, 1998, five days after the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania MPAC Director Salam al-Marayati wrote in the Los Angeles Times, "Hostility toward Islam is rising in light of speculation (emphasis added) that Muslim groups comprise the main suspect list in the Nairobi and Dar es Salaam bombings."

Speaking on the Los Angeles radio station KCRW only hours after the September 11 attacks, al-Marayati immediately blamed Israel for the attack. "If we're going to look at suspects we should look to the groups that benefit the most from these kinds of incidents, and I think we should put the state of Israel on the suspect list because I think this diverts attention from what's happening in the Palestinian territories so that they can go on with their aggression and occupation and apartheid policies."

Con't next post...

Who the F cares what Muslims think anyway...Offer them $10 a barrel and move on.

Here is a TCS article by Stephen Schwartz about why muslims target Steve Emerson.

[Link: www.techcentralstation.com...]

And it ends with 17 Koranic verses that are pro-peace. Gee, aren't there like ten times that many jihadi verses?

Circling the wagons...

Con't from previous post...

The next day, Al-Marayati said, "It's still early, all the facts are not in yet. The concern is that there will be opportunists trying to slam Islam, so we always have our doubts until all the facts are known." Likewise, in a Live Dialogue on IslamOnline, October 22, 2001, Mahdi Bray, National Political Director of MPAC, refused to blame Bin Laden for 9/11, saying only that, "I cannot speak for Bin Laden, but I can speak to the horrific events of September 11th, which the media and the government have attributed (emphasis added) to Bin Laden."

On October 9, 2001 in response to a statement from bin Laden supporting the September 11 attacks, MPAC did issue a condemnation. However, the statement implicitly rejects US military action against terror, saying, "it is MPAC's position that the eradication of terrorism must be predicated on a careful attention to the root causes of it. We encourage the president to peruse the course of action he has endorsed to combat terrorism, which includes an analysis and consideration of root causes of terrorism."

Also in October, 2001 MPAC ran advertisements on a Los Angeles radio station resorting to blaming the US-Israel relationship for anti-US terrorism. The ad said "United States intervention in the Middle East had inflamed anti-America sentiment in the region."

Salam al-Marayati has made statements in defense of Hezbollah as well, despite the group's official designation as a terrorist organization. In November, 1999, appearing on the "News Hour with Jim Lehrer," al-Marayati said:

If the Lebanese people are resisting Israeli intransigence on Lebanese soil, then that is the right of resistance and they have the right to target Israeli soldiers in this conflict. That is not terrorism. That is a legitimate resistance. That could be called liberation movement, that could be called anything, but it's not terrorism.

In a June, 1999 "position paper" MPAC justified Hezbollah's suicide bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut:

Hezbollah organized the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut in October 1983 killing 241 marines, the largest number of American troops killed in a single operation since the end of the Vietnam War. Yet this attack, for all the pain it caused, was not in a strict sense, a terrorist operation. It was a military operation, producing no civilian casualties -- exactly the kind of attack that Americans might have lauded had it been directed against Washington's enemies."

Margaret Zaknoen, MPAC's Communications Director and Program Director for American Muslims for Jerusalem (AMJ), wrote Congress Holds Israel Pep Rally, Calls It 'Hearing' about the September 25 House International Relations Subcommittee on the Middle East and Asia hearing on U.S policy toward the Palestinians. The article finds U.S. foreign policy the cause of anti-American terrorism:

One after another, these distinguished lawmakers lambasted those who recommend that the U.S. reexamine its place in the world in the wake of this national tragedy. These people would have us believe that there is no connection between America's behavior abroad and the world's perception of America. While there can be no justification for terrorism at any level, by anyone, what is clear to the vast majority of observers is that these atrocities and the hatred that produced them do not exist in a vacuum.

Members' wholesale dismissal of those who point to America's extreme pro-Israel bias as a cause of anti-American sentiment is misguided. It is done not to safeguard American policy, but to protect Israel from scrutiny.

So yeah, he has their number. And he told the 9/11 commissioners what needed to be said about them (and CAIR and ISNA and others - see the link), and they don't like it one bit.

#32 Ploome Hineni

I could read only the first few pages but it sounded like the old papers of the Red Brigades and of the Baader Meinhof: identifying a target and repeating one million times WHY he is BAAAD.

That is the signal that the operative cells wait for, for what we can know from the last thirty years of terrorism worldwide (nazi, commie, islamic, same bunch).

#20 Poitiers-Lepanto

I didn't mean to minimize or make light of it. It's just that the document is worthy of ridicule for all the lies it tells, and positive spin it attempts, like putting the Koranic verses at the end. The way it's written, it's almost like they were hoping it would be leaked to the MSM.

Has anyone at LGF read Steve Emerson's book? I was wondering if it was worth reading (I'd rather get a review from one of you than from the Nation, you know what I mean?). I'd like to see MPAC stand up and denounce all terror/militancy/violent resistance (whatever they want to call it) of "Palestinians." The day Muslim organizations can do that without going off on tangents about "Israeli policies" or "American policies" or "legitimate resistance" is the day I'll believe that organizations like CAIR or MPAC are serious about fighting Islamic terror.

#34 Ward Cleaver

Yes, sorry, I did not mean to comment YOU.
I got really angered by the "cross -hairs" character of this paper.
I don't want to see the invaders beginning a target practice here.

Not without a solid answer.

/Just to make myself clear, "solid" is the term used in Africa to speak about the high caliber rounds that can put down BIG game.

#35 mickthemick

A friend of mine has read it (in the last couple of years), and said it was very good.

My spelling of everything is going down, while my anger is going up.

Pooitttierss-Lepppantooo

#36 P-L

No problem.

I could see all the Emerson-bashing in this paper being interpreted as a "green light" (a kind of back-door fatwa) for somebody to get him. I hope he has good intel and good security.

I got through the first 10 pages, and if that's all the fuss is about, the MPAC folks just have their widdow feewings hurt.

I'm not familiar with Steve Emerson, and he may be a bit over the top at times - I don't know...but, 48 pages just because they feel picked on?

I wonder how many pages they've dedicated to Robert Baer?

#37 Ward Cleaver
Thanks! ;)

#39 Ward Cleaver

I hope he has good intel and good security.

Me too.
And, in some subtle sense, in this moment we are his best security and intelligence because we are screaming (or, we try to scream) loud :
we are watching.

#10 zombie-

Much more interesting is seeing a certain other z-initialed lizardoid walking around in Victoria's Secret! My binoculars get all steamy.

*blushing*

#11 Ward Cleaver

Damn, I wonder how many copies of this are floating around? It was done on an office binding machine (look at the holes on the left).

#34 Ward Cleaver

I didn't mean to minimize or make light of it. It's just that the document is worthy of ridicule for all the lies it tells, and positive spin it attempts, like putting the Koranic verses at the end. The way it's written, it's almost like they were hoping it would be leaked to the MSM.

Sounds like a job for Kinkos in Texas that I know of.

I could see all the Emerson-bashing in this paper being interpreted as a "green light" (a kind of back-door fatwa) for somebody to get him.

Emerson has been very, very, very careful about his security for over a decade.

Yes, equality for all in Islam...

Equality for women, black-n-blue equality under men...

Equality for Jews, crimson, at the back of the bus...

Equality for Baha'is IF the become Muslims, DEATH if they don't...

Equality for Americans when they castrate themselves and SUBMIT to mullahs, who speak for God...

Equality for all... really...

Emerson has been very, very, very careful about his security for over a decade.

I know it, but isn't that something? Really? That people have to live that way?

#43 Iron Fist
Sigh. Ain't it the truth?

#16 Poitiers-Lepanto:

Emerson has had a fatwa on him for years now, he has security and uses various methods to leave buildings, like back doors and such. Of course, if they Jihadi are determined, they'll get anyone who lacks Secret Service protection.

#48 J.D.

That people have to live that way?

Why do you think that many of us don't even post an email address ?
We are way into the storm.

And at the same time, there is still some time to stop here and find friends...
Some little precious time...
Little Green Footballs of time

I'm getting poetic,aren't I ?

#44 zevariste:
I knew you liked to wear panties on your head, but I didn't know they were Victoria's Secret!

#50 EIDE_interface

they'll get anyone

Sure, that's a rule of security:
#1 There is no security.

Just because they are SURE they don't get paid back x100.

/But I am the bad guy here, I know...

I AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ-ama bin laden!

Pay no attention to that terrorist behind the curtain!

#53 Poitiers-Lepanto:

Yeah, I agree there. Not only there is no security except for the POTUS, killing Emerson would not generate any retribution since he's so controversial among non-Muslim Americans that there would not be any meaningful call for revenge.

Essentially, Emerson has put his neck out on the line for nothing in return except the vain hope that people will wake up to the Islamist threat.

Is it possible that terrorists are using these articles and even maybe this site to get the word out to their cells?

#51 P-L

Why do you think that many of us don't even post an email address ?

You won't find my e-mail address anywhere, unless you talk to just a handfull of LGFers.
I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.
I am enthralled with your poeticness (sp?).
[Will poeticness pass the smell test in Scrabble? 'cause I'll use it! I will!]

#51 Poitiers-Lepanto 12/27/2004 08:16PM PST

Why do you think that many of us don't even post an email address ?

or do like me get a yahoo email address that is totally anonymous

#55 EIDE_interface

there would not be any meaningful call for revenge

Yes.

My question (NOT to you) is : what would have happened in the world if Israel had killed in the same morning THREE THOUSAND (not civilians but) paleoterrorists ?

Until we bridge this gap, we are losing, in strategic terms.

The left has lost its battles but it still holds its terrain inasmuch as we don't turn the table of the debate.

cba-

I knew you liked to wear panties on your head, but I didn't know they were Victoria's Secret!

In my language the "ia" is silent ;-)

#58 Jimmy the Claw

Don't even believe for one second that it is totally anonymous.
I use a yahoo address for everything.
Friends could find it from Europe...(don't ask me how, I'm no geek).

And of course we could all be traced through Charles' servers...

IIRC a [former] CAIR staffer, spokesman, representative, what*ever* is serving time for running a terrorist training camp ... ? in Virginia?

Let's see... Google, sayitaintso... "cair virginia paintball"

Oh dang. Bingo.

Nope. No American Muslims are in any way shape or form supporting terrorism or any anti-American plots in any way, shape, or form...

/sarcasm

#57 J.D.

I am enthralled with your poeticness (sp?)

Let's get married.

/ Wait a minute, wife and girlfriend hammering...I need some time out...

#16 Poitiers-Lepanto

"This document is a fatwa against Emerson"

Emerson first went public when he testified at the Bremer (as in Paul Bremer) Commission on Terrorism in Clinton's last year. He showed films of all the U.S. terrorist backed anti-American organizations (Hizbollah (especially), Hamas, al Qaeda, etc.. He and his associates had infiltrated these organizations and he showed the films. It was all on C-SPAN in January or February of 2001, when President Bush just came into office. At that time and after 9/11 when he began going on TV he mentioned several times that he changed residences frequently and that his life was indeed threatened.

P.S. His book American Jihad.. is very good.

#61 Poitiers-Lepanto 12/27/2004 08:34PM PST
#58 Jimmy the Claw

Don't even believe for one second that it is totally anonymous.
I use a yahoo address for everything.
Friends could find it from Europe...(don't ask me how, I'm no geek).

And of course we could all be traced through Charles' servers...

now now dont start makin me paranoid

“The ‘expert’ who emerges from American Jihad is a heavy-handed scare monger who fails to grasp — or deliberately blurs — the most rudimentary distinctions between different radical groups, asserting, for. example, that the militant Shiite group Hezbollah, which is now a major political party and social services network in Lebanon, poses the same threat to America as Al-Qaeda. Whether this egregious conceptual flaw, which renders most of his book all but worthless, is the result of a political agenda to demonize passionate supporters of the Palestinian cause as terrorists or terrorist sympathizers, or is simply the result of hysteria and/or ignorance, is unclear. “

Same old lie - Hezbollah is a social services network - I don't think they understand that many of us are not buying this crap anymore.

#63 P-L
I Do [Not].
:-D

A FAIR(www.fair.org) hitpiece on Emerson in 1999:

[Link: www.fair.org...]

An excerpt:

Emerson was back in the news last August--when terrorist bombs shattered U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. While most Americans watched the grisly nightly news in open-mouthed dismay,

---
so the only appropriate response to Islamic terrorism according to FAIR is to gape with your mouth open, but not retaliate, bomb, use force, etc... Just act like a sheeple.

#65 JimmyTheClaw

now now dont start makin me paranoid

Don't worry, I can give you my pills.

/Doh, who is knocking at the door at this hour in the night ?

Steve Emerson did more for American security than the the Clinton DOJ ever did and a hell of a lot more than the MSM has ever thought about doing.

For all his work, the American left calls Emerson a bigot against Arabs and Muslims. Especially for implying 1995 OK bombing was possibly "middle eastern". I thought it at the time as did many other common sense people too. McVeigh was a 1-time incident and has so far proven the exception to the rule that big terrorist attacks ARE Muslim.

#71 EIDE_interface

And still...there are so many doubts about that bomb. Iraqis of the Guard all around, the stories about the contacts in the Philippines...

The nazi groups are surely interlocked with the commies and the islamofascists... but the fog of war...

We need a better INTELLIGENCE NOW.

When does the shadow dancing stop?
What is it going to take to declare war?

OT --

C-SPAN 2 is reshowing the excellent 3-hour Victor Davis Hanson interview tomorrow at 5 pm EST.

[Link: inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080...]

#73 Atlas Shrugged

What is it going to take to declare war?

A hit on the daily life of everyone.
That's what the politicos are waiting for.

AND WHAT THE LEFT IS HOPING FOR. To surrender.

#75 Poitiers-Lepanto

What is it going to take to declare war?

A hit on the daily life of everyone.

WTF was 9/11?

#75 Poitiers-Lepanto:

I think it's mistaken to think that the left wants to surrender. I think that they think Islamofascism is exaggerated and mostly a right-wing conception that they don't really have to deal with in terms of thinking fight/surrender.

#76 Atlas Shrugged

I agree.
But the Dems have healed it for 48% of the People...

Power of brainwashing...Never MISUNDERESTIMATE it...

Lincoln said a house divided cannot stand...agreed
left / right
red/ blue states

i think its time we split the country in two (no shit)

the left takes one half, the right takes the other

i give the left 5 years before it falls under the weight of its own sophisms

#76 AtlasShrugged:

9/11 was a hit on a bunch of people directly, numbering around 100,000 or so, to be fair. Indirectly it was a hit on the national psyche. To really declare war, you'd need an event killing millions, like a bio weapon or multiple nukes going off.

#79 AtlasShrugged:

How would you divide up the nation geographically? You know that even in blue states, most of the territory is red, not blue. No, secession is not the answer.

What are you talking about?
We are at war!

What about this concept is particularly hard to understand?

78 Poitiers-Lepanto

I agree.
But the Dems have healed it for 48% of the People...

the clubbing of baby seals metaphorically
the MSM clubbing the American people while relentlessly pursuing a left wing agends
those days are numbered...it is indeed the dawn of a new era i tell you
they have crested, it will be all downhill from you, there will be no chokehold on the American mind

#77 EIDE_interface

You talk about the lefties whom you and I can meet.
I talk about the "minds" behid it.
They want to kill, destroy America, the CAPITALIST MONSTER.
They hate it.
They would sell us to the devil if they could find it.

#80 EIDE_Interface 12/27/2004 09:00PM PST
#76 AtlasShrugged:

9/11 was a hit on a bunch of people directly, numbering around 100,000 or so, to be fair. Indirectly it was a hit on the national psyche. To really declare war, you'd need an event killing millions, like a bio weapon or multiple nukes going off.

unfortunately i tend to agree

#22 reader . . .

I am deeply disturbed by this interfaith, interorganizational activity I keep seeing, just as I am by Christian groups doing so little to help the dhimmi.

Me too. It should be broadcast far and wide just how seriously the Muslims persecute others, like the Copts and the Assyrians, for example. There are many other examples, too.

It's almost as if the U.S. Christian churches have been drugged by PC. They seem unable to look squarely at the persecution their fellow Christians are suffering. And these aren't just little "insults," either. They are major persecutions.

I would need to google to find specific examples, but I know that the persecutions are there in plain sight for Christians who are willing to open their eyes.

#83 Atlas Shrugged

I agree.
We ARE here.

And at the same time, there has never been a moment as dangerous as this moment.
We are changing the whole strategy that they had planned for so many years.

#80 Eide

/11 was a hit on a bunch of people directly, numbering around 100,000 or so, to be fair. Indirectly it was a hit on the national psyche. To really declare war, you'd need an event killing millions, like a bio weapon or multiple nukes going off.

Since when, name a moment in American history where war was declared only after millions were murdered. Bullshit!
When the very fabric, our way of life, our constitutional republic is threatened, we declare war on the invader

end of story

I'd like to recommend that folks get a copy of a much earlier Steve Emerson book called, "The American House of Saud".
Emerson traced the influence of Saudi money to the various University Campuses which continue to this day to spread anti-Israel propaganda, as well as to businesses and ex-governmental diplomats and public figures such as George McGovern.
It's an important book which should be on the shelf of all Lizards.

#84 Poitiers-Lepanto:

If by "they" you mean the leftists, sure they dislike capitalism. But it depends on which leftists, because not all want to bring it down and have a communist utopia. Also, outside of that kook who asked Osama to hit us again, I haven't heard a leftist even at those marches call for terrorist attacks on the nation.

You have to understand that leftists think the terrorist threat is exaggerated by right-wingers like us. The LLL thinks that the right-wing is the REAL threat to America, not Islam.

#89 MJ
Can you cite some examples?

#88 AtlasShrugged:

I agree with your sentiment, but the fact is we haven't declared war because most people are lax and don't think our const. republic is truly under attack. Basically life is back to normal, no terrorist attack since 9/11, so that's that.

#90 EIDE_interface

You have to understand that leftists think the terrorist threat is exaggerated by right-wingers like us.

My girlfriend is from MA. I know that.

But read again (please) my last answer to you: all the moves of the demonrats HQ ( I repeat HQ) are a way to disarm America and our People.
They deeeply hate America. "They" is the group of half-wits who have taken control of the democratic party.

#93 Poitiers-Lepanto:

But the Dem HQ couldn't succeed with ordinary people believing that the terrorist threat isn't real. People like you mentioned.

#88 AtlasShrugged. Basically I have to agree with EIDI_Interface but also want to add that we'ev been in almost a state of narcolepsy for the past 40 years or so. During that time the MSM built on their successes of the Vietnam war and have instituted, along with various liberal special interest groups, a concerted effort to undercut and discredit conservatism, the military, and religion. That Bush won 53% of the popular vote is a signal that people are beginning to wake up, but unfortunately it's going to take something bigger than 9/11 to finish the job. And this is one of the down sides or our success (one that I'll willing accept) of our security successes - no hugh terrorist activity on US soil. Actually, I think it's only the blogs that are keeping people awake now.

Just finished reading it.

Well now I'm all turned around on this whole Islam thing. See, I thought they bombed the Twin Towers and... anyhow, all is forgiven.

Hassan Bin Laiden (weeks)

It's too late.
Thank you all for your BEING here.

Good wind.

Eide

How would you divide up the nation geographically? You know that even in blue states, most of the territory is red, not blue. No, secession is not the answer.

no not seccesion...give them any half they want. It wouldnt matter. It's the people and what they stand for and beleive in that make alll the difference.

Case in point: Israel. A tiny sliver of land smaller than the stae of New Jersey with NOT A DROP OF OIL, JUST DESERT and they The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The
> average
> tree is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a
> year.
> Israeli trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough
> to be
> harvested from the ground or a short ladder.
>
> Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the
> world's population, can lay claim to the following:
>
> The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the
> Israeli
> branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in
> Israel.
>
> Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by
> Microsoft-Israel.
>
> The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
> Both
> the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely
> designed, developed and produced in Israel. The Pentium
> microprocessor in
> your computer was most likely made in Israel.
>
> Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
>
> Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the
> US
> in Israel.
>
> The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in
> 1996 by
> four young Israelis.
>
> Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U.S,
> Russia and China). In addition to a large variety of other aircraft,
> Israel's Air Force has an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16's. This is
> the
> largest fleet of F-16 aircraft outside of the U. S.
>
>
> According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline
> industry's
> most impenetrable flight security. U. S. officials now look to Israel
> for
> advice on how to handle airborne security threats.
>
> Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate
> neighbors combined.
>
> Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per
> capita.
>
> Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population
> in
> the world.
>
> Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other
> nation
> by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the
> highest
> per capita rates of patents filed.
>
> In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of
> startup
> companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest
> number
> of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the
> U.S.
> (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).
>
> With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the
> highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world -- apart from
> the
> Silicon Valley, U. S.
>
> Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right
> behind
> the U. S.
>

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number
> of
> NASDAQ listed companies.
>
> Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.
> The
> per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.
>
> On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech
> startups.
>
> Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees,
> ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States
> and
> Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.
>
> Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
>
> In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews
> at
> Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.
>
> When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she
> became
> the world's second elected female leader in modern times.
>
> When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli
> rescue teams were on the scene within a day -- and saved three
> victims
> from the rubble.
>
> Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the
> highest
> rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.
>
> Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing
> nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious
> freedom, and economic opportunity.
>
> Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly
> process,
> an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."
>
> Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.
>
> Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century
> with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because
> this
> was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.
>
> Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
>
> Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully
> computerized,
> no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.
>
> An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring
> proper
> administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical
> treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from
> treatment mistakes.
>
> Israel's Givun Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so
> small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the
> inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive
> disorders.
>
> Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the
> heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among
> those with heart failure.The new device is synchronized with the
> heart's
> mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.
>
> Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians
> in the
> workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over
> 70 in
> Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force
> employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this
> category
> as well.
>
> A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device,
> produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue
> light
> that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging
> surrounding skin or tissue.
>
> An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale
> solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in
> southern California's Mojave desert.
>
> All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy
> that
> seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by
> having
> to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other country
> on
> earth.
>

#77 EIDE_Interface (BTW my computer uses SCSI!)

I think that they think Islamofascism is exaggerated and mostly a right-wing conception that they don't really have to deal with in terms of thinking fight/surrender.

I think that that is right, at least for the ones who think it through that far. The leftmoonbats and the islamofacists see each other as disposable useful idiots, to further their own agendas. While it is obvious to anyone looking at this objectively that the islamofacists would not be kind to gays, feminists, etc., the moonbats either believe that these people will return their kindness, or that they will never get to the point where there will be a problem.

As for the islamofacists, there isn't even a pretense of what their intentions are. Suffice to say that in their vision of victory, there will be no bathhouses. Or daycare centers.

J.D.
Be happy to cite a few examples.
Jimmy Carter has received tens of thousands of dollars from Saudi Arabia.
Duke University Arab Studies program is a gift from the Saudis as is Georgetown's Cont. Arab Studies program. Both of these have served the interest of the Saudis well over the years. Many of their paid faculty appear on PBS NewsHour...never identified as paid lobbyists for the Saudis.
It's really quite a long list.

open question:

Who is your candidate in 2008?

#44 zevariste 

Your name alone merits a big "LOL"!

#95 rabidfox . . .

And this is one of the down sides or our success (one that I'll willing accept) of our security successes - no huge terrorist activity on US soil. Actually, I think it's only the blogs that are keeping people awake now.

I agree with you. The success of Homeland Security and the WOT have lulled Americans into feelings of false security. I'm the only one I know (and I know lots of people) who thinks that terrorism and Islamofascism are actual threats. The rest of the people are sleeping snugly in their beds (because rough men are willing to do violence on their behalf).

When I saw Lord of the Rings 2, I took it directly as analogous to the threats we are facing under Islamofascism. No one else I know even saw any connection between the fable and real life.

But the blogs, thank goodness for the blogs, keep me grounded in the knowledge that the threats are real and that we need to stay awake, not "narcoleptic," as a previous poster said.

/AVOID NARCOLEPSY (today's slogan)

#98 AtlasShrugged

Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.

I always wondered why NT and XP actually work; 98 was so bad, I became a Linux user.

#106 Iron Fist:

Condi is too liberal for the GOP base. Rudy is damaged goods and too old by 2007. I think the prime candidates will be (R) governors. Which ones, I don't know right now. It's too early.

#108 Iron Fist:

I've heard Condi Rice is pro-affirm. action and is liberal on domestic issues. From where I don't recall, though I'd be glad to be proven wrong. I just don't think we're ready for a black female on the ticket.

Iron Fist

It'd be worth nominating Condi just to watch Kleagle Byrd's head spin around and him puke pea soup :-)

Ha! That's a mental image I didn't need.

You never know - George Wallace changed his tune, but then he learned the hard way - but he learned. There is always hope.

#109 EIDE_Interface

I've heard Condi Rice is pro-affirm. action and is liberal on domestic issues.

Link please.

I saw a poll recently of Hillary beating any Republican in '08. It is a bit troubling, but she hasn't been put through the wringer of a campaign, so the poll is not to be taken too seriously as of yet.

Also, I've read on some other blogs that the nation wants a change after 8 years of Bush, but why re-elect him if they already want a change? I'd think the 53% would want to continue Bush's policies?

#106 Iron (my man) Fist

I am with you
I will be a Condi Team (cheer) leader
Billary will be the candidate

Guiliani will be hurt by further allegations of Kerik misconduct on the job under Guiliani's administration. Further, Donna Hanover (BITCH!) is tight as theives with Hillary. Hanover is penning a memoir timed to break and release before the 2008 elections...get it?

CONDI TOO LIBERAL? Who the f*ck is drinking the ripple?

OT
Check out the astounding self-enforced dhimmitude of the French investigators in this article:

Explosion kills 17 in French city apartment building; official declares it caused by gas leak before the police have even begun their investigation.

France apartment building blast kills 17
A gas explosion tore through a five-story apartment building in eastern France, killing 17 people and injuring 15, authorities said Monday.

Rescue workers, who initially found two bodies in the wreckage of Sunday afternoon's blast, discovered 15 more bodies early Monday.

Rescue workers clear rubble and debris at the explosion site of a five-story apartment building, late Sunday, Dec. 26, 2004 in Mulhouse, eastern France. A gas explosion tore through the building Sunday afternoon, killing 15 people and injuring another 14. Rescue workers initially found two bodies Sunday, and discovered 13 more early Monday, Dec. 27 in the rubble.

Most of the deaths were caused by the collapse of three floors above where the explosion took place, officials said. The victims ranged in age from 15 to 60, they said.

Dozens of rescue workers equipped with body-detecting dogs and mechanical diggers pored over the wreckage in a hunt for several people who remained missing, said Capt. Bertrand Weckel, a spokesman for regional emergency services. Efforts to locate the missing were complicated by the need to remove collapsed concrete beams.

"Police will, of course, continue the investigation, but for us, this was clearly caused by a gas leak," Weckel said.

They are so desperate to rule out terrorism, that they don't even want to bother actually investigating suspicious explosions.

Doomed, I tell you; doomed.

MPAC: Counterterrorism is Counterproductive

Counter-terrorism is getting in the way of their plans.

ROFL@MPAC... Yeah we should stop counter-terrorism because they don't like it... Bwahahaha, go gargle on camel piss you goat herders...

112 Eide

those polls are notorious for their left leaning results
trust me you can make a poll do what you want

when i was director of strategic planning at the New York daily News i could go to my marketing dept and tell them to create a study with such and such result using data already in the field.
you can make the numbers say anything
those polls are lefty masturbation (no pun intended)

112 Eide

ie Zogby is arab

Lord, grant me the serenity to ignore LLL polls.

LOL! That's good.

Zombie

Heard this yesterday on some BBC radio news channel.

However, Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace report, one dead, 14 injured.

local newspaper

Have Ya'll heard Hilldabeast when she gets mad?!
Screaches like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs!
Reminds me of my 2nd ex-wife.

From the pamphlet:

AMPCC leaders also issued the following points related to the terrorist attacks:
4) Notwithstanding the disbelief that anyone following the faith of Islam could commit such a heinous crime, we condemn the act regardless of the identity of the perpetrators;

They can't even admit what they are lying about.

Reminds me of my 2nd ex-wife.

Well, we know you're not afraid of commitment.

#109 EIDE_Interface

I just don't think we're ready for a black female on the ticket.

Sez who? I think that the publc would be much more comfortable with a GOP BF, than a dem, because the black democrats are such a bunch of radicals (or gangsters). I have always believed that the first black president will be republican, because the public would never trust a black demo. This prediction stands, though I don't know when it will happen.

You might be confusing Condi with Powell regarding affermative action, etc. I don't recall anything in her bio that suggests social liberalism, though I don't recall anything that refutes it, either.

If anyone needs a good laugh, here is a great one, at least IMHO:Funniest news stories of 2004

Enjoy! :)

fyi

Dear Dr. Wheeler,

I am an active duty Colonel in the United States Army, and have just returned from Fallujah, where the fight has been hot. I am also a brand new subscriber to To The Point!

Thank you for saying what is in the hearts of our military on the ground in Iraq. Your readers need to know that SECDEF Rumsfeld is held in very high regard by the troops. Our Marines have high morale and all of them have personal body armor, contrary to liberal media lies and distortions.

122 RebTex

Hillary can be screechy, but for sheer terror, give me (or rather please don't give me) Al Gore. He gets all red, and he has that sweating problem. Yick.

NY Nana, what I want to know is, what the hell was Dan Rather doing down Sandy Berger's pants!?

#109 EIDE_Interface

I just don't think we're ready for a black female on the ticket.

I proposed Rice for VP or the top of the ticket months ago. As for black and female, kill two birds with one stone. I can't think of a more qualified black female.

126 NY Nana

Thanks, I needed that.

Favorite quotes:

"It's as if Lurch had gone to Choate." (on John F. Kerry)

"Culturally, the guys on press in China wouldn't have the faintest idea of who a SpongeBob was or who a black SpongeBob was." (on a SpongeBob Squarepants Valentine printed in China)

Favorite picture: the Queen of England picking her nose.

#128 Cattt
You're right.
algore does appear on the verge on an aneurism!
However, the primal , estrogen laced squalls of hilldebeast just scares the hell out of me!
In fact, I may not be able to sleep tonight from the very mention of it!

Question for any candidate in 08:

Who will secure our borders?

#133 superdawg:

The LLL usually responds to that query by accusing the person of being a racist. So right off, they don't have to even debate it.

#129 Zulubaby

I would guess he was either checking the frequency or looking for nuts! :)

#131 Cattt

We all do, but that really has had me going back to look at for hours...I agree with you on the choices, but Hanoi john in the bunny suit? I must add that to the list.

BTW, has little John gone into hiding?

#132 Reb Tex

Thanks a lot..the thought of hil even with no mention of the words that shall not be typed, are bad enough, but then that reminded me of the voice of Susan Estrogen Estrich, and I am now going to also have a sleepless night.

Can anyone sing us a soothing lullaby?

MPAC: Counterterrorism is Counterproductive

When I read that, I couldn't help thinking about the Borgs (sp?) from the Startrek series- "Resistance is futile". That and the fact that they seek to assimilate all races is so eerily familiar. (At least Seven didn't have to wear a burka!)

#136 NY Nana
O M G !
susan estrich!
THAT'S a scary thought!
I have to turn the channel when she is on.

#138 Reb Tex

susan estrich!
THAT'S a scary thought!
I have to turn the channel when she is on.

In a way , I kinda miss her! I just want to see how she acts now - the last time I saw her was on election night when she was acting like a silly little groupie because the early exit polls were showing that Kerry was winnng. I would have to turn the volume down though; I can't stand her voice!

I had to post this chilling editorial from Canadian commentator David Warren, reflecting on the Ottawa protestors against Bush's visit...

"Said the upbeat CBC reporter: "There are people here representing a wide range of opinions, from anti-globalization, 'no to Star Wars', support for Palestine, Marxism, not to mention exclamations like 'Queers hate Bush' ". These are not, in fact, a wide range of opinions, but rather, alternative ways of articulating the same void.

It is hard to imagine what President Bush or anyone could say that would please the many people in this country (or any other, for that matter) who truly abhor him -- but can't explain why without using parrot-like slogans, and referring knowingly to non-existent "facts". Who, moreover, would not even dream of formulating a coherent alternative to what the Bush administration is doing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, or Dubuque.

Not that no coherent alternative could exist...[but] What we see on the streets of Ottawa, instead, is an almost pure fanaticism -- that radical spirit of alienation that ultimately motivates the Jihadis, too. This nihilism is the splinter in the heart of our modernity; it rejects everything; it proposes, finally, nothing in its place. It is the devil himself speaking out of his void, leading finally to the silence of Iago.

To understand it, we must look into the very faces contorted with rage, and the mouths uttering the vilest obscenities. The evil is not coming from outside them: it is instead welling from the void within.

And yet the tragedy of these people -- whose fanaticism puts them beyond the pale of give-and-take in party politics, and whose views, should they spread, would take the whole democratic order down with them -- is that they know even less about themselves than they know about the world they condemn. They are angry, but finally they don't know why."

David Warren on moonbats

#134 EIDE_Interface

Sorry it took me a while to respond. I can see how the LLL would jump up and down about profiling, racism, etc., but my concern is for an effective screening process for visitors and immigrants to enter this county, LLL approval or not. I would think that most moderate and conservative thinkers would agree. Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo talks a good story, but few listen in Washington. I woould favor that border security become an armed services responsibilty.

#135 ploome hineni

LOL! You know it!

Gazan launches ArabsforIsrael.com Web site

The turning point, though, came with the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, which was when Darwish says she at last developed a fuller grasp of the realities of the region.

"The most crucial reason for me to support Israel was 9/11. That was when I realized that Israel was the victim of Arab terrorism for all its history," she says. "My culture of origin was responsible for this unspeakable terror in New York and the Pentagon."*

While the severe thunderstorm warning for Santa Barbara county has expired, heavy showers continue to move into the California coast.

Storm Prediction Center Day 1 Outlook does not have LA Basin in a Risk Category, as clouds will prevent the daytime heating needed to produce widespread severe weather, but notes shear profiles may become favorable late in the day for a few waterspouts, some of which could come ashore causing minor damage.

Heavy rain will be the main threat, however.

Heavy rain working into the San Joaquin Valley!

You know what that means. A month of tule fog in Bakersfield.

No fog in BFL right now, not with east winds as high as 35 mph.

The telling point in this drivel was when they started calling Steven's statements "libelous". Does this bring anybody to mind? hmmm?

If you said John - where do I file the lawsuit - Edwards you could be a winner.

I have read Emerson's work before and find him to be a breath of fresh air in an increasingly stinky world. The stench of hate the Islamonazis emit really makes be want to barf.

My vote for 08 would be Rudy/Condi however it won't happen as the LLL/MSM will continue to dig up stuff on Kerik and do their damnedest to derail him. Rudy seems more liberal than I care for however, he has iron balls and that is what we need - not the screech of the Valkyries of billary.

"ISLAMIC VALUES OF MERCY, JUSTICE, PEACE, HUMAN DIGNITY, FREEDOM AND EQUALITY FOR ALL."

Try telling that to the Egyptian Christians and the Yemeni Jews.

Do you remember Golda Meir's comment that there will be peace when they love their own children more than they hate Israel?

Sri Lanka has just said Thanks, but no thanks to Israel's offer of aid after the earthquake.

Pricks.

#146 Self Hating Muslim

According to this article in the JPost, Israel has been asked to send aid but not doctors to Sri Lanka and Thailand.

How muslims think item [115] and after on
[Link: blog.rajanr.com...]

#145 Ben B

What that quote you cited actually means can be summarized by this memorable sentence from George Orwell's Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than other animals."

#147,

I was aware of that, but have you ever heard the expression "Beggars can't be choosers"?

Sri Lanka's leaders figure blankets aren't as political... As if politics should have anything to do with it.

"ISLAMIC VALUES OF MERCY, JUSTICE, PEACE, HUMAN DIGNITY, FREEDOM AND EQUALITY FOR ALL."^*

^*Offer may be void in Dar al-Harb. Void where prohibited by Sharia

I posted links to the Indian and Indonesian stock exchanges yesterday to show thhat they were actually up in while tens of thousands of their countrymen were being swept into the sea. Here are the Yahoo world indices including all Asian markets. It is phenomenal that these exchanges have brushed aside the loss of life as having no economic impact. It is almost as if they are invigorated by it.

Yesteray I noted Scrooge's crack about decreasing "the surplus population." I must say, I have to wonder if that's what these markets are reacting to.

I'm not an economist, but I get the feeling that these people had no economic value, and the local exchanges recognize this. Furthermore, the markets seem to be saying that there will be no money spent from the national coffers to help the survivors. Indeed, the market may be anticipating a bracing inflow of charity from the West.

Again, the fact that the exchanges are up today may indicate a recognition that the clearing of the real estate may be just the ticket for unexpected economic growth.

This pamphlet is not a factual and well-reasoned critique of counterterrorism, but a propaganda piece.

Much of MPAC's assessment revolves around a book review. Sorry, but Steve Emerson's book is simply one of many providing details about Islamism.

Emerson wandered into a Muslim convention and was shocked by the extreme views being promoted in books, tapes, and talks. MPAC tries to cast doubt on his reporting based on book reviews--one apparently by a Muslim who matter-of-factly states that Hezbollah is now a charitable origanization providing social services.

The pamphlet also suggests charges that American Muslims have been funneling money to terrorist groups such as Hamas are ludicrous. It is amazing that anyone would publish such blatantly false propaganda at this point. A number of individuals and groups have been convicted of funneling money to Hamas and other Islamist mass murder organizations.

I didn't read every word of the pamphlet, but in scanning it I did not see any mention of the fact that Steve Emerson (who they try to paint as having enriched himself by supposedly slandering Muslims) has been forced into hiding as there are many death threats against him.

And as I recall Emerson's book, he did not depict himself as an expert on terrorism. He depicted himself as someone who was curious about a Muslim convention, went inside, and was shocked by what he saw and heard. We now know that many American Muslim leaders who insist they are "moderates" have been recorded making extreme comments prior to 9/11.

IsraelForum. com, where I used to be a moderator, made a Muslim who supports MPAC a moderator of the forum's Religion section. I find this Muslim, who goes by the moniker "andak01," to be a determined whitewasher of Islam and a closet sympathizer with Muslim extremists. "andak01" claims to oppose terrorism and support Israel's right to exist, but then so does MPAC. But look closer, and you'll see that MPAC says the "right of return" to flood Israel with Muslims is non-negotiable.

In other words, they are willing to let Israel exist as long as they are permitted to destroy her from within.

OT but related to a thread a few days ago:

Fox News top 10 stories of 2004

6 thru 10

1 thru 5

More balanced than APs list, in my opinion.

OT: Latest From Anti-CAIR

- CAIR: Meeting with Ghosts?

On 24 December 2004, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) issued a press release stating that they had held a meeting on 23 December with “senior officials” of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

Why do we say “reportedly”? Well, the CAIR release failed to provide the names of the “senior officials”, the location of the meeting, or the names of the CAIR/MPAC attendees. Now, ACAIR can understand how anyone connected with law enforcement would be reluctant to admit they sat at the same table with a CAIR representative, but CAIR's pattern in the past has been to “name drop” furiously.

When was the last time CAIR held a meeting without trumpeting the names of those who attended?

Anti-CAIR wonders whose idea it was to hide the “senior officials" names. Did the “senior officials” make CAIR's silence a condition of the meet? Was CAIR muzzled so that the "senior officials" might avoid being "outed," and suffering well-deserved ridicule and condemnation from Americans for meeting with CAIR/MPAC when, as ACAIR and other independent analysts have opined, the evidence shows CAIR/MPAC's clear support for Islamist terrorism? Did CAIR/MPAC make up the whole thing to impress the faithful? Or is it possible that CAIR/MPAC arranged the meeting and were stood up…again?

So how about it, CAIR/MPAC? Did you, or did you not, meet with “senior officials” from the DHS/ICE? If so, how about some names?

Location?

Time?

What was discussed?

Did the agenda include the results of your fund raising for known terrorist-fronts like the Holy Land Foundation or the Global Relief Foundation? Did you turn over the names of the Hamas and Al-Qaeda supporters in the U.S. known to you? Did you expose the Saudi Arabians who have provided you with funding, and come clean about their connections to terror as well?

We’ve said this before, and we’ll keep saying it until the message sinks in: “Nothing good comes from associating with CAIR.” In our opinion, CAIR has nothing to teach law enforcement that can’t be learned simply by reading the HAMAS charter.

Crazy weather, I can't sleep through this, anyone else watching this in L.A.?

Strong winds, and rain, and strong winds! :)

MPAC's own "Effective Counterterrorism Campaign" document, found at the end of the pamphlet, is most revealing.

MPAC states "...terrorism is not a valid means of struggle in Islam." In other words, MPAC believes that the causes terrorists are fighting for may be valid, but terrorism is an inappropriate means.

This is just part of the blame-shifting game. Hence, MPAC leaders ran around after 9/11 suggesting that Israel, or US policy supporting Israel's right to exist and live in peace, was the "root cause" of the World Trade Center massacre.

So while MPAC claims they support Israel's right to exist, they imply that there are other means besides terrorism to continue the "struggle" to destroy Israel.

The second step in MPAC's 3-step counterterrorism campaign is "Know who is meeting in your mosque." Excuse me? Wasn't the point of this pamphlet that there are only a tiny number of Muslim terrorists (if any) in America today, and that claims that the Muslim community is infested with terrorists are completely false? MPAC's second step is an admission that there is a significant terrorist current among American Muslims.

Step 3, "Develop skills to detect criminal activities," is further confimation. It seems the real purpose of MPAC's critique is to suggest that we rely on Muslim groups like MPAC to find and turn over terrorists. Of course, since they deny there are Muslim individuals and groups in the US connected to terrorists such as Hamas, and cite articles that falsely claim groups like Hamas don't target Americans or American interests, and an article that touts the "difference between" bin Laden and Arafat, what credibility do they have in fighting terrorism?

MPAC's pamphlet: The Wolf claiming he alone is qualified to guard the chicken coop.

American Infidel, isn't Chicago the "windy city"?

My flag on the balcony is ripped to shreds, and about to fly out of it's mounting!

The news is reporting accidents and suggesting folks stay home.

I happen to be home on vacation, lovely vacation weather!

AI, I would like to take the flag down, but things are flying outside, so I'm staying put for now.

Say, don't you have a blog?

We had really strong winds Christmas night (I think it was that night). I was so exhausted I never heard a thing!

Lots of limbs down, as we still have dead ones from the hurricanes hanging about.

The next county over had wide power outages. My orange tree left most of its oranges in my yard!

The only problem I have with the pamphlet is that MPAC fails to recognize that American Islam is, itself, the agent of breeding mistrust.

After 9/11 we heard nothing but a deafening silence from these groups... and when they started talking it was often about some "Zionist Conspiracy" being behind the attacks... that and how they were fearful when they ventured out in public.

Never mind that "retaliation" was so rare that even a cross comment to a convenience store clerk would make national news.

I really hope that Americans continue to behave rationally, we shouldnt lump everyone together any more than we want others to stereotype us... but American Muslims have a serious problem; there's a basic conflict between literal interpretation of the Quran, just as in the Old Testament, and with what they profess in terms of Peace and Love for all.

Americans will never stand for subjugation.. or be forced to pay tribute.. yet that is what many Imams preach as the path to Peace and Love...

It wont take much for this ideological conflict to ignite into all-out viglantism... and it's chilling when I find myself thinking that bullets through the brains of these radical preachers might help.

I dont like to think this... but it is coming.

God help us all!

Morning all - an OT from the world of Front Page: [Link: www.frontpagemag.com...] - the Israeli crime that wasn't.

#143 Ed Moran

Check LA radar. Pretty decent squall line approaching my residence in OC.

OT: This Photo grapically shows how Lazy Journalists can be: Note the name of the "unidentified Soldier" can be easily read from his Jacket!

Sarah D., where are you?

AI, LGF is more than enough, LOL :)

Although too low a risk for a categorical outlook, conditions not unfavorable for a few weak tornadoes in the Southland.

NWS Oxnard hasn't reissued warning, but they might

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOS ANGELES/OXNARD CA
620 AM PST TUE DEC 28 2004

A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING CONTINUES IN EFFECT FOR WESTERN LOS ANGELES COUNTY AND SOUTHEASTERN VENTURA COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA UNTIL 700 AM PST. THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF THOUSAND OAKS AND MALIBU.

AT 615 AM PST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A LINE OF INTENSE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING NICKEL SIZE HAIL...AND DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS LINE EXTENDED FROM THOUSAND OAKS TO MALIBU. THE STRONGEST CELL WAS OVER MALIBU. THE STORMS WERE MOVING NORTH AT 20 MPH...WHILE THE LINE WAS DRIFTING
SLOWLY TO THE EAST.

DOPPLER RADAR STILL INDICATED SOME WEAK ROTATION WITHIN THIS STORM. WHILE NOT IMMEDIATELY LIKELY...A TORNADO MAY STILL DEVELOP. IF A TORNADO IS SPOTTED...ACT QUICKLY AND MOVE TO A PLACE OF SAFETY IN A STURDY STRUCTURE...SUCH AS A BASEMENT OR SMALL INTERIOR ROOM.

#169 Sojourner

Tampa.

Christian Science Monitor is holding a vote on whether Churches should divest from Israel. Given their strongly anti-Israel editorial slant the vote is going the way one would expect.

[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

I did send the little darlings a letter:

Dear Christian Science Monitor,

The historical oposition of the Monitor to the Jewish people continues. In 1938, the Monitor's editorial helpfully suggested the German Jews "stop whining" after the Kristallnacht pogrom. They did, right after they died.

The Monitor opposed saving Jewish refugees before the war the creation of the State of Israel after. Now it suggests Israel be boycotted for defending itself from ourages like the Passover suicide bombing.

With respect to the Jews, your record is perfect; unfortunately, your perfection reeks of the Judeophobia.

There is overwhelming and categorica evidence, that Yasir Arafat and the Palestinians launched this terror war with the intent of slaughtering as many Jews as possible, how nice of the Christian Science Monitor to hold their coats while they do it.

You opinions are a disgrace to human reason and decency.

The king is dead. Long live the king.

Surprised, anyone?

171 Ed Moran

Yikes!

Thanks for the update!

Doppler Radar--LA

[Link: www.weather.com...]

My post 143 has a radar link.

#174

the Pals have deployed the dreaded Yasser 'butthole-seeking' missile.

OT

Egotism Watch:

"It is beyond me why are we so stingy, really," the Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least, [of] how rich we have become."

Yet another example at all levels and departments the UN chooses to blame others.

Jan , if you really need the money for relief work, go ask your pals that fattened their coffers during the sadom days.

They never cease to amaze

This is a list of the christian and jewish individuals that have endorsed this booklet . I have included contact information for those who would be interested in pointing out the taqiyya in this outrageous piece of propaganda.

The Rev. Ed Bacon, Rector of All Saints Church (Pasadena, CA). jeb@allsaints-pas.org
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The Rev. W. Douglas Tanner, Jr. revdougtanner@aol.com
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the Rev. Jim Lawson
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Reverend Louis Chase, Chair Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace

Los Angeles Rev Louis Chase Tesfaye81@aol.com
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Reverend Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, President of the Interfaith Alliance
Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy
President
The Interfaith Alliance Foundation
Washington, DC
Tel. (202) 639-6370
Fax (202) 639-6375 info@interfaithalliance.org
***
Rabbi Alan Freehling, Rabbi Emeritis of the University Synogogue
interesting linkage: [Link: www.islamctr.org...]
rabbiallenf@unisyn.org
University Synagogue
11960 Sunset Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90049
Tel: (310) 472-1255
Fax: (310) 476-3237
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Rabbi Haim Dov Beliak, Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace

tel. 626-683-9004 • fax 626-683-9485 • email: icujp@pacbell.net
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Rabbi Steven Jacobs, rabbijacobs@koltikvah.org
Kol Tikvah
20400 Ventura Blvd.
Woodland Hills, CA 91364
Tel: (818) 348-0670
Fax: (818) 348-1584
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Progressive Jewish Alliance
Staff Executive Director
Daniel Sokatch, dsokatch@pjalliance.org

#173 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

That 'Christian' Science Monitor poll is especially vicious. It is of the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" variety, sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

"Should US-based churches boycott certain companies doing business with Israel?

Yes. The US government has failed to act to curb Israel's policies towards Palestinians.

No. It is discriminatory and does not help the peace process with the Palestinians. "

#165 Lawhawk

Thank you for the link.
Maybe Charles could be interested in debunking this story.

Charles,

re: Religion of Peace

Jihad Watch - Official PA TV: Killing Jews is Mandatory

off topic:

nice to see another piece by Mark Steyn (this time on polygamy).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml= /opinion/2004/12/28/do2802.xml&sSheet=/portal/ 2004/12/28/ixportal.html

#179 Kofi Annan--

"Stingy" aid...funny how the UN calculates "aid." When Arab countries donate money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, the UN counts that money as legitimate "aid," even though it foments/encourages more terrorism. When American NGOs, charities, and private philanthropists donate tens of millions, that $$ is NOT counted as aid (on the pretext that it isn't 'governmental,' therefore doesn't count). When the Pentagon (courtesy of the US taxpayer) spends hundreds of billions to liberate and rebuild Afghanistan and Iraq, that money, too, is NOT counted as aid by the UN. Or the UN falls back on the old "aid as a percentage of GDP" argument to lambaste America. It's all highly selective and misleading. They blast America for being the world's greatest polluter in terms of total emissions (overlooking how many other industrialized countries are the equal of America in per capita pollutive emissions)...but reverse themselves when they calculate foreign aid, ignoring the fact that America is easily #1 by a very wide margin--- and falling back on the 'percentage of GDP' denunciation. All the more reason the UN is thoroughly, comprehensively discredited as a lawful, moral body.

Luigi, thanks I neglected to mention that.

177 Ed Moran,

Got your 143 link, thanks!

As for that list of Christians and Jews vouchesafing for the 'peaceful' tenets of Islam...I have no use for Christians or Jews or atheists or bug-eaters who excuse, rationalize, or justify the murderous practices of Muslim Jihadists. Pacifism, turning the other cheek, will result in annihilation with this enemy. Whoever excuses Islam's countless failings and atrocities is only encouraging more of the same, just as Chamberlian encouraged the growth and expansion of Nazism with his anus-licking apologetics.

It is time for the "United Nations"...to take their ball and bat and go home...wherever that is. They have no business in New York City.

#185 Firebreather

It's [U.S. foreign aid] all highly selective and misleading...but reverse themselves when they calculate foreign aid, ignoring the fact that America is easily #1 by a very wide margin---

Steven Den Beste (when he was still blogging at USS Clueless) wrote a long and enlightening essay on that very topic. When all of our foreign aid is bundled together, it adds up to about $100 billion per year or about. But it goes ignored by the UN, and the rest of the world.

I had a debate with my nephew about that very topic, and I started rattling off sources of U.S. aid that he had absolutely no clue about. When I explained to him that our GPS satellite technology (that cost us trillions of dollars to develop) is given away to the rest of the world for free, even though we could encode those signals and charge for it, he was said something like, "Why would we want to charge them for it?"

He was so flummuxed, it didn't even understand that I wasn't suggesting we charge them for it, but that we're given credit for all the wonderful things we do around the world.

The LLL has absolutely no idea what the f**k is going on.

The terrorists in Spain confessed they wanted to use a dirty bomb according to Spanish newspapers.

BNR - 28 december 2004 14:58 printversie

"Terroristen planden aanslag met radio-actief materiaal in Spanje"
Islamitische terroristen zouden van plan zijn geweest een aanslag te plegen met radio-actief materiaal in Spanje. Volgens Spaanse kranten hebben verdachten van de aanslagen van 11 maart dat tijdens hun verhoor toegegeven. De verdachten zouden met een Tsjech hebben onderhandeld over de aankoop van nucleair materiaal. Daarmee wilden zij een zogeheten 'vuile bom' maken.

Islam - fascism wrapped in the vestments of religion.

Smear the messenger, that makes everything bad go away!

#173 "Christian Science Monitor is holding a vote on whether Churches should divest from Israel. Given their strongly anti-Israel editorial slant the vote is going the way one would expect."

Apparently, CSM's editorial slant has NOT affected the vote results as one might anticipate.
With 1,117,589 votes tabulated 61.9% were against divestment compared to 38.1% for divestment.

Reconstruction update for Fallujah

#182 poiters-lepanto:

I believe that if you ran a search for al durra, you'd see that Charles has been on top of this piece of propaganda early on. This story just combines many of the details previously speculated upon and confirms that it was nothing more than a lying piece of propaganda benefitting the Palestinians.

More stronger storms approaching Orange County.

#194 Muck DeFuslims

Apparently, CSM's editorial slant has NOT affected the vote results as one might anticipate. With 1,117,589 votes tabulated 61.9% were against divestment compared to 38.1% for divestment.

Sorry, my friend, but you've got that reversed. Go back and look again. 61% are in FAVOR of divesting.

OT OT OT

Man, the Eurabian newspapers say that

60,000

have been killed by the quakeANDtsunami.

I am very depressed.

page 2...damn dhimmiis...

post 200 :)

#190 Kayawanee---

Absolutely right...and you NEVER hear about the totality of American aid, the sharing of vital technologies, the free and generic medicines provided to the developing world, the huge shipments of food to ward off starvation in poor regions...the immunization programs (provided FREE of charge) that have saved TENS of MILLIONS of lives...you never hear how people in the developing world now have longer life spans than the average American did 50-60 years ago, thanks to American medical advancements. Even by traditional calculations, American aid in the 20th century alone was more than $2 Trillion, exceeding the REST of the WORLD's entire COMBINED output. America gets NO credit whatsoever for all this, no acknowledgment at all. (Sorry for all the caps).

@185 Firebreather

(on the pretext that it isn't 'governmental,' therefore doesn't count).

Concur, OFF wasn't governmental either *chuckles*.

One day, when the ME is somewhat stabilized, and the UN has finally collapsed under it's own irrelevance, they'll come crying to us and unfortunately, we'll be their to clean up the mess….or not.

One can hope not of course.

OOOPS I'm sorry. I got the results reversed.

OT: Quake/Tsunami update. Aftershocks continue in region where 9.0 quake originated. The potential for additional tsunami remains. Some of the aftershocks have been above 6 on the Richter scale.

#204 lawhawk

The BBC (among others) has first hand accounts of the disaster.

Here

There are many areas that are still cut off from supplies.

#195 In Vino Veritas

The I Marine Expeditionary Force Engineer Group is working in tandem with the Civil Military Operations Center and the Interim Fallujah Municipal Council to identify and prioritize reconstruction needs within the city.

They owe THAT much to Falluja after they went through the city, destroying everything in their path, to fight only a handful of "activists". The Fallujans had to go back to a city destroyed, and some were homeless.

/LLL off

I can't believe the devastation. 44,000 dead, according to the AP, and this, for the most depressing headline of the day: Dead Litter Streets, Indonesia Toll May Hit 25,000

Dead bodies still littered the streets of this provincial capital in northern Indonesia on Tuesday as fears rose that the local death toll from Sunday's earthquake and tsunami would exceed 25,000.

Decomposing corpses spread a foul smell over Banda Aceh, on the northern tip of Sumatra island, and fresh water, food and fuel were in short supply.

60,000 dead from the tsumami? The politicization of all this death isn't far off now (MSM: What did Bush know/When did he know it?). Some Indonesian newspapers (Kompas, Pos Kota, and others) have complained that aid is painstakingly slow to arrive...but then they say the government doesn't want 'foreigners' and other 'aid workers' in the Aceh region of North Sumatra (militant Muslim stronghold/separatist movement). So they won't allow the dirty foreign infidels access...but then complain that the aid organizations aren't doing enough. Classic Muslim Orwellian inversion.

A Red Cross worker says that there aren't enough people to bury the dead.

"People are looting (in Meulaboh), but not because they are evil, but they are hungry," said Red Cross official Irman Rachmat in the provincial capital, Banda Aceh. "We don't have enough people to bury the dead. We are worried that all the corpses on the streets will lead to disease."

#207 American Infidel

I saw that and I saw the other, longer reportage at 9.10 ET with all the details of the corpses abandoned ( until today) along the beaches.

They have nothing, no refrigerated trucks, nothing.

The families must be out of their minds to see their Beloved Ones rotting like that.

/BTW that Girl on Fox is the one who in "normal times" is reporting from Israel and she usually drives me crazy (she's the "militants have done, militants have said" kind of journalist).

#194 Muck DeFuslims

With 1,117,589 votes tabulated 61.9% were against divestment compared to 38.1% for divestment.

I think you misread that. It is the other way around. 62% voted for:

Yes. The US government has failed to act to curb Israel's policies towards Palestinians.

while 38% voted for

No. It is discriminatory and does not help the peace process with the Palestinians.

In other words, 62% are in favor of divestment.

#207 American Infidel

Shock or no shock, that stench must be horrible & the health hazards enormous and they still do nothing...Makes me wonder why?

Because as long as it is a 'disaster', 'international' 'aid' (a.k.a. green) will come.

#209 firebreather:

The response to the tsunami has already been politicized, especially by the UN toady Egeland, who says that the US hasn't done enough, even though its current contributions exceeds that which the entire EU has given so far by a 3-1 margin. Egeland doesn't single out the EU, but takes the US to task.

Expect more of this, even as the US government and independent charities give aid on a tremendous scale. And there will be nations complaining that the US is using the disaster to further its own agenda.

No matter what position the US takes, it will be faulted. Yet, the US will perservere and help those in need.

Mr Pol, how goes it? :-)

#207 American Infidel---

Indelicate as it is to say so, the locals in Aceh are doing nothing because they are deeply fatalistic people (everything is "Insh Allah") with no belief in self-determination and little work ethic. They are poor and helpless not because they are oppressed by America/The West, but by Islam.

(Pre-emptive warning to any Nodrogs who will call me an ethnocentric racist for pointing out these things...I once lived in Indonesia).

#209 Firebreather

Some Indonesian newspapers (Kompas, Pos Kota, and others) have complained that aid is painstakingly slow to arrive...but then they say the government doesn't want 'foreigners' and other 'aid workers' in the Aceh region of North Sumatra (militant Muslim stronghold/separatist movement). So they won't allow the dirty foreign infidels access...but then complain that the aid organizations aren't doing enough. Classic Muslim Orwellian inversion.

Nah. Classic 'third world' victimism: they claim they want 'aid', but they only accept dollars. Or Euros.

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#216 zulubaby

how goes it? :-)

As usual.

One improvement: christmas shopping is now mostly over. I hate christmas ads.

Firebreather -

Exactly, besides, we are not there, catastrophic means catastrophic, they are dealing with it in their own way...I was in Bali when the terrorists blew up Paddy's and got a first hand view of the emergency systems. They don't call these places remote getaways for nothing.

Pox on Anderson 360 for showing over and over little dead children and babies in Shri Lanka and for the already talking heads about "why didn't they have any warnings?" They have tsunamis how often? Not very. And they have monsoons that kill hundreds of thousands or millions, how often? Very...No wonder they are fatalistic.

#215 lawhawk---

Also, the 'Early Warning Center' in Hawaii is rumored to have 'forecast' the earthquake 15 minutes before it happened...and then 'failed' to warn coastal communities throughout Southeast Asia (as if millions could've been warned and evacuated in 15-20 minutes...the credulity of people staggers the imagination). The anti-American world religion (which unifies Western liberals, Muslim terrorists, and many others) will strain the bounds of logic past the breaking point to somehow, some way, fault America. Have no doubt, they will look for any angle, no matter how ridiculous, to blame America. "More blood on America's hands," indeed.

The scale of the disaster is still unknown. Tens of millions of people live along the coasts of the areas affected by the quake and Tsunami. The thing hit Somali on the other side of the Indian Ocean.

The countries do not keep very accurate population and demographic data, many births are just not registered, many of these people never have any contact with their governments, lived in poorly constructed homes in shanty towns, sadly many did not even know how to swim.

The toll is probably closer to 200,000 than it is to 43,000 and it could even be as high as a million. Sri Lanka, busy denying contact with Israel, probably lost 100,000 people; they cannot even bring themselves to admit the scale of what has happened. The toll could be well over a million.

#241 Mr Pol
#222 American Infidel

I started very depressed and you make me even more depressed. What a world.

You are probably right, there is a marketing of catastrophes too.

#222 American Infidel

Well, I did think that...I just didn't want to say it just in case my lack of 'sensitivity' would have upset peeps...

Interesting. When my lack of 'sensitivity' 'offends' 'people', it amuses me...

#221 Mr Pol

christmas shopping is now mostly over

Pretty good. Only 362 shopping days left.

Have the petro-trillionaires in Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar and Dubai coughed up anything towards the relief effort ? They can even stipulate that whatever they contribute goes to aid muslims only.

#206 Kofi

The USMC 15th MEU was in or just left Singapore when earthquake hit They are safe, but no word on there whereabouts. It is my guess they won't stop in Sumatra, etc to lend a hand. Other Marines from Okinowa are going to take on that task. The 15th has different fish to fry.

#223 Bubble Girl---

I remember reading the text of an interview of the father of a dead Aussie football player who was killed in Paddy's...to my horror, this educated man, who was dealing with unbelievable grief (to be fair), laid all the blame for his son's death on George Bush and America. It wasn't Abu Bakar Bashir and JI that killed his son...no, it was America. He called for Bush's assassination, expressed his hope that America would get its comeuppance, etc. This man was out of his mind with grief, but...blaming Bush for Bali? I lost a lot of human sympathy for that man after reading of his irrational, misdirected rage.

#231 In Vino Veritas

Other Marines from Okinowa are going to take on that task. The 15th has different fish to fry.

What kind of fish is that? I hope it's catfish. Love pan fried catfish seasoned with cayenne pepper.

I wish experts would quit saying things like, "this is a once-in-a-generation" earthquake. Alaska had two within a decade forty years ago.

Second, having been in hurricanes - lesser disasters - at first it is impossible to get large-scale aid, or outside rescuers, to the victims. All the roads are covered with debris. It's dangerous just to move around in the water due to electricity, chemicals, pollution, disease, and underwater debris.

#232 American Infidel

Why do these bodies have to be buried, why is it that they are just not burned or would that be even a greater health risk then bloated/rotting corpses littering the roads & infecting water supplies?

They may not have anything to burn them with. Also, does Islam permit burning of the dead?

One needs to wonder why the MPAC is busy going after Emerson instead of working to stop terrorists in Iraq and other places from killing Muslims. Apparently they view Emerson as a bigger threat to Islam. People like Emerson would get little traction if Islammic groups worked with the government of their country (the US) to rid America from terrorist cells and denounced the acts of terrorists. When they go after Emerson instead of fighting and denouncing evil Muslims it makes the "religion of peace" claim less and less plausible.

#234 kayawanee

Have no idea. What swims in the Tigress?

#230 Muck DeFuslims---

Arab countries, even the oil-rich emirates, are the least charitable nations in the world. They provide little or nothing to their fellow Muslims in distress throughout Africa and Asia. Their foreign "aid" is limited to the building of mosques and the propagation of Islam (mostly the Wahhabi strain). They provide no food, no medicine, no petro riyals, no humanitarians. It is the infidel West coming to the aid of sneering, bickering, ungrateful Muslims in hard-hit regions.

Gretchen, they're terrified of him. Emerson has their number and they know it.

In other news, malpractice attorneys are advising that tort reform is a bad idea

188 Israelis still missing; search teams sent to islands

The ministry said on Tuesday that there were a total of 1,900 Israelis in the stricken area at the time the tsunami hit.

By Tuesday afternoon, 1,250 of those vacationers have been located, after they contacted either the Foreign Ministry or their families.

I have OCRed this document and converted it to Word. It still needs some cleanup, but it anybody wants it, just email me.

@231 In Vino Veritas

Regardless of which unit helps with the rebuilding, it's unfortunate that the MSM won't spin a positive light on that particular situation. Only death and destruction need apply…oh yeah Rummy bashing also.

Iowahawk has been busy channelling the inanities of the scientists and 'journalists' covering the tsunami.

Can Charles blog from his apartment/condo/house/mobile home?

Or will he have to bicycle through WITH 7C/KM LAPSE RATES PERSISTING COASTAL SRN CA THRU TONIGHT AND
STRONG UVVS CONTINUING...PARTICULARLY ASSOCIATED WITH UPPER IMPULSES...A MARGINAL THREAT OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL PERSIST UNTIL FINAL S/WV TROUGH MOVES INLAND EARLY WEDNESDAY. THIS WILL INCLUDE A CONTINUED THREAT OF WATERSPOUTS/BRIEF TORNADOES AND STRONG/DAMAGING WINDS. and heavy rains to reach the LGF Office and post.

Zulubaby,

I pray for the safe return of all those people. I assume there is more to the article as the numbers don't add up (the article didn't load).

[Link: www.commspeed.net...]

Mr. Bean says "Make it stop."

Talking to you, MPAC!

Firebreather -

He was the same as Nick Berg's (spell?) Dad. I was with friends from AU, some where killed, others injured. I was back at our beach house because I had gotten sunburned. What happened at Bali absolutely pissed off the majority of Aussies against the terrorists. And the Thai's are doing the best they can, under the circumstances. I know I may sound callous but since I am not there I believe there are thousands of Asians working very hard to pick up the pieces of this catastrophe. I have a friend who is now in Bangkok, she was in Phuket, she lost everything, except her life.

I remember reading about Krakatoa and how it dramatically changed the weather, we live on an everchanging planet. Sometimes Earth shows who's boss...

247 LaHawk

I like IowaHawk, I really do, but with them still recovering the bodies of the dead, its not in the best taste.

#237 AI
This is a good article for comparison.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response and Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has announced that Escambia County has received a grant of $49,750,468 to remove and dispose of debris left in the county by the wind, rains and surging waters of Hurricane Ivan. The total federal share of the grant is $44,775,421.

Where Ivan hit was comparable to tsunami given the large storm surge. Anywhere the tsunami could move very far inland is going to be the worst hit. Barrier islands were swamped by Ivan.

As you can see, Florida had a big 2004.
Ivan missed us. But we were in the other three.

They need bulldozers. Thank God for Caterpillar, right Lefties?

Let's just make it easier for the UN to steal more of our money, we could have the Treasury just make them up a blank check, payable to the UN. Of course it will be from the account that has the trillion dollar deposit...so good luck, UN, cashing it.

OT (but not)

oh goody! now the fun really begins!
it's time for the carpet bombing...enough with this PC nonsense
Sharon: Gaza terrorists have shoulder-held missile launchers

#246 Kofi

Correctimundo! The US has never gone around wearing the good it (we) do around the world on our sleeve. And the MSM will never tell that story. We consider ourselves 'blessed'.
Just maybe...

Print Close Official PA TV: Killing Jews is mandatory
By Jerusalem Newswire Editorial Staff

December 27th, 2004

JERUSALEM - Without committing mass murder against the Jews, the Muslims will never see their “day of resurrection,” a respected Islamic academic taught on official Palestinian Authority television this week.

The message of Dr. Hassan Khater, founder of the Al Quds Encyclopedia, was replayed on PA TV Monday after originally being broadcast on July 13, 2003.

In the televised lecture, Khater explains that according to Islamic myth, “the Hour [Day of Resurrection] will not arrive until you fight the Jews.”

Itamar Marcus of Palestinian Media Watch says Khater’s repeat performance is part of the PA’s attempt to tone down “religious incitement.”

“World attention has brought pressure on the PA to change the content of the [televised] Friday sermons, in which religious leaders have repeatedly called for the genocide of Jews,” Marcus wrote Monday.

But “the PA has not eliminated the message,” Marcus points out. It “has merely transferred it to another framework.”

“For years, the PA religious establishment has repeatedly portrayed the killing of Jews as a religious necessity. Today, PA TV chose to rebroadcast this same call to genocide as a historical necessity -- this time from a senior PA academic rather than from a religious leader.”

In his report, Marcus recalls a religious sermon similar in content to Khater’s lecture that was broadcast on September 10, 2004.

Bellowing before his congregants and all Palestinian Arabs tuning in to PA TV, Sheikh Ibrahim Madiras had the following words of encouragement:

“The Resurrection will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them. The Muslims will kill the Jews, rejoice [in it], rejoice in Allah's victory.”

Madiras then quotes a well known verse from the Hadith, which tells of how the “Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say:oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!”

“There are none who love the Jews on the face of the earth:not man, not rock, and not tree everything hates them. … Everything wants vengeance on the Jews, on these pigs on the face of the earth, and the day of our victory, Allah willing, will come,” the sheikh continues.

Marcus notes, “The continued teaching that this Hadith applies today could well be a dominant factor driving terror against Israeli civilians.”

“By depicting redemption as dependent on Muslims' killing of Jews, the PA world view presents this genocide as a religious obligation and historical necessity -- not related to the conflict over borders, but as something inherent to Allah's world,” writes Marcus.

Sadly, many in Europe (the fair-skinned, non-Muslim Euros) share Muslims' basic, underlying antipathy towards Jews. Oh, they haven't gone to the extreme of killing them (at least not since 1945), but they are...how shall we say...less than outraged by Islamic promises of mass genocide against the Jews. As an Israeli Jew once told me, "You (America) are all we have." Euroweenies, while very different from militant Muslims, simultaneously share very much in common with them, including common objectives and common perceived enemies.

Here at LGF something special goes on. In the middle of this thread Ed Moran (who was/is in Houston)...keeps those of us in SoCal updated on the storm. Thanks Ed.

Frontal passage about 45 min ago...still very windy; temp 59f about the same at this time. Bar inching up .001.

Most intense storm for me in my 8 yrs in OC.

Must be global warming...or George Bush! /sarc off