Time to get Aaron at Internet Haganah on the case.

This suprises anyone? Anyone? Beuller?

Charles, have you e-mailed Aaron yet?

Heh, Zombie and I had the same idea...

I'm pretty sure Aaron knows about this one already...

Drudge has the flashing light on his sight. Seems that Hillary has collapsed while making a speech.

Aaron is already on the case. He posted in the JW thread.

The site linked above seems to be down right now, by the way.

It's time to get hardcore on the perpetrators of hate and violence here in the United States. These are not people who can be reasoned with, nor do they or any of their hate filled Muslim extremist brothers and sisters deserve ANY of the protections of our great country. World Debate

Well, since the America's ideal of freedom is sustained by the words of the Koran, I don't see anything to worry about.

The feds better be all over this. This is incitement to anti-Christian terrorism.

After the murder of the Armanious family, maybe this posting of personal information will be taken more seriously by those sworn to protect the public.

I wonder who will jump to these criminals' aid first.

[Link: es-ist.blogspot.com...]

One of the real problems is that many of these Christians get in EVERYONE's face, including other Christians, and there are "not nice" people out there. I have been threatened with sodomy by other Christians and having sexual predators sent to my doorstep. Since I make very little effort to hide myself, I have reason to believe the threat to be real.

An illusion of invulnerability has grown up around people's contrived internet personas and they go out looking for trouble. Sometimes they find it. Here's an example of such an imprudent attack.

[Link: www.tektonics.org...]

And another one.

[Link: www.tektonics.org...]

In which I am photoshopped into a pig.

Fortunately, I am not an islamic terrorist.

Hugh McBryde

These people are surely guilty of several crimes already, including stalking, incitement, and who knows what else. If the FBI is not pursuing this, they are incompetent and need to be made aware of that.

This flipside of this moral coin is what I do: even though I have come to know some of the personal info of some of the more egregious protesters I document, I never reveal it in my photo reports. (Except the names of public figures, of course.) Because this is not about personal vendettas, or bullying (or, God forbid, violence) but rather it is a battle of ideas in the public forum.

If these Islamists are posting online personal details about their enemies, there is only one purpose: to plot violence against them.

Time for NAME REMOVED to get a dog, a shotgun, and a kahr arms carry weapon. If they are in Jordan, get the hell of there.

If this person was a US national or living here they should report this to the FBI and CIA as a potential terrorist threat.

Maybe someone out there is prepared to throw the first punch for him. Hopefully someone is keeping the tradition alive.

[Link: www.psywarrior.com...]

It's time that we start tracking these people down and making their lives hell

Hossam Armanious, a Coptic Christian from Jersey City, N.J., who was found murdered earlier this month, frequently debated with Muslims on PalTalk.  Two months before Armanious's murder, authorities said he received a death threat from a Muslim PalTalk user:  "You'd better stop this bull ... or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you." 

Yikes. Still, the mainstream media will never report this.

When I went digging around the Paltalk site they seemed really intent on harvesting information about their users. With blanket "We won't give out your information unless we feel like it" disclaimers.

Does anyone know anything about this company?

Time to shut down this hateful, dangerous anti-American and Anti-Christian website.

First, let the FBI have all the weblogs...Andrew can provide much information I'm sure.

Aaron is on it - here.

Jihad Watch also has some more info.

These muslims are terrorists who I hope are killed soon. I also hope that no one here takes offense to my wanting these muslim terrorist fcuks to eat dirt.

#15 Prakk:
I'm not sure that posting details about your personal flame wars and the vendettas others have out for you is a good idea on LGF. Charles -- what do you think about comment #15? I'd consider editing it.

Hillary collapsed?! During a speech about social security?!

Oh God! PLEEEAASSSEEE!

I can dream, can't I?

Hossam Armanious and his family were bound and slaughtered: throats slashed like sheep. And they did it in New Jersey, not Jordan.
Wake up America. Wake the hell up.

Yes, I'm all over this one.

Site down.

The Jordan link is interesting... Half the time I do a whois I get the hosting company in Minnasota, the other half I get the Jordanian address. My guess is that this exploded in the webhost's face this morning and they are busy having a panic attack.

First and most immediate concern was saving evidence, if there is any, related to the Jersey murders. Hopefully that happened, no word back yet from the datacenter. The datacenter's not in Minnesota.

All for now.

#25 tuffbeingright
Don't be callous.

Some one should set up a honey pot for them.

Someone willing to take care of the problem. Wouldn't be that hard. Someone who speaks arabic could goad them to their "place".

A place with two shepherds that don't bark, just bite, and solve the problem when they get the drop.

The US Justice System was designed with human beings in mind.

These "people" are not human beings.

I feel the time for bypassing the justice system to deal with this very specific threats to humanity, is just around the corner, if not here already.

We are like defenseless sheep with the teeth of mindless murdering automatons baring down on us.

They are robotic murdering heartless mindless machines.

...

...

,

Rosh
how is he being callous? Some people would consider that karmic justice. Expecially after she tried to take over Amerca's health care and transform it into socialist utopian sinkhole. Free health care sounds good, but who is going to pay for it?

Mo's Mafia in action. Michelle Malkin talks a little about this at her site

And the Hudson County Democrat Machine that controls the prosecutors and the bench sure appears to be sweeping this under the carpet. Meanwhile, the LLL Star Ledger is pretending it never happened because it runs against their ROP mantra. I don't get the Hudson County paper, but the failute to see one of their stories breaking this in the by-line tells me they are doing what they always do, shilling for Dems and promoting their agenda.

Michele Malkin is on the case along with the NY Sun. But for them, this is another story that the Internet will break -- putting the MSM to shame and revealing them to be the pro-Dem, pro Jihad propaganda organs that they are.

according to jihad watch threads the sites are now down.

maybe hillary had a moment of clarity and it knocked her on her a--

>>Free health care sounds good, but who is going to pay for it?

Vince Foster for one.

Just to be on topic, I think these bastards should be hunted down, given a fair trial then hung the next day. Won't happen of course.
LLL's would throw a hissy fit.
I keep thinking about Daniel Pipes and the education by murder essay. When will they have done too much to not be treated like the murderous scum they are?

tuffbeingright

wasn't expecting that one.

OT just for your amusement...the "protest and vigil" against the Iraqi elections held last night in San Francisco by the Indymedia people had a grand total of 60 people. That was it. And that's here in the heart of Loopyland.

OT regarding Ms Clinton:

Clinton complained about suffering from a flu-like bug that affected several of her staff members during a weekend retreat in Westchester County, where she lives.

Bill helpfully offered to administer a soothing throat wash, but Hillary wisely refused.

31 & rosh

Hopefully she is fine. She does not (IMHO) deserve ill health just for being political.

Unlike Howie ranting Dean I do not hate the Democrats to a man. I think they are silly and wrong minded but they are Americans.

15

Fuck um. If someone comes to your house and steps foot in your yard put a dog or two on them. If they step into your house put 00 in their chest. No questions asked. The internet is fine and dandy for discussion. The first time someone shows up at my house they are in for a surprise. Where I live the neighbors would take care of the problem before it got to my house.

#37 RayH

I think these bastards should be hunted down, given a fair trial then hung the next day

Fair trials are for human beings Ray. If we continue to treat these "people" with our, human, concepts of fairness, we will lose.

From the Weekly Standard:

On Friday, January 14, 2005, police discovered the bodies of a family of four Egyptian Copts slain in their home. Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife, Amal, 37, and their daughters Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, had been bound, gagged, and their throats slit.

The motive for the quadruple slaying has not yet been established. FBI agents are assisting with the investigation. ...

Hossam Armanious was a headwaiter and his wife a postal clerk. Interestingly, assistant prosecutor Guy Gregory said, "It doesn't appear to be random. It appears to be a specific act. Someone was able to gain access without forcing entry."

Another possible motive that is being reviewed is religious hatred. Armanious was active in Internet chat rooms defending the Copts against Islamic extremists. The Coptic church, whose presence in Egypt goes back nearly 2,000 years, has suffered persecution off and on over the centuries, intensifying in the last 10 years. Armanious had reportedly received a death threat online: "We will hunt you down . . . and kill you."

Was a similar fate intended for [NAME REMOVED]?

andthenblammo

wonder if she's had one from him before? she doesn't seem like the type.

Using the internet to track and gather information on their enemies has been a tactic of "the opposition" for some time now.

In fact, I've wondered if any of the looney-ticks are right here in this forum making an "enemies list"?

Nice!

I personally consider "Palestinian" terrorists "terrosrists of global reach." They have killed in ****less countries, including our own. They even killed a Presidential candidate.

I think the Rad Muslims are in for a shock if they tangle with the American Heartland...

better living through chemistry, ballistics, and thermodynamics.

I hope Senator Clinton is okay. How I HATE to be sick in public. If it had been me I wouldn't have gone to begin with.

OTOH - Maybe she's pregnant. And it's not Bills!

Oh, the intrigue!

37

I believe they should be given the gerald bull treatment. They are not subject to the laws of this country IMHO.

#44 RayH:

wonder if she's had one from him before? she doesn't seem like the type.

That's why the "job" got outsourced, to poor Bill's pain and woe.

#42)

justdanny: Fair trials are for human beings Ray. If we continue to treat these "people" with our, human, concepts of fairness, we will lose.

I disagree.

It’s only when we treat them with Ted Kennedy’s, or John Kerry’s, or Barbara Boxers concept of “fairness” that we lose.

Serpent #45,

I assumed they've been here (at LGF) for while now.

justdanny;

even nazis were given a fair trial. but that was after the war was won. something I like to thing we are on the road to but we're not there yet.
but a fair trial I think means just give the evidence to a knowledgable jury. not the kind that usually gets picked, you know, the dumb and easily swayed type. don't allow any BS about racism or any other PC crap. And then you hang'em. That's fair.

andthenblammo:

that's kinda what I was thinking myself. considering the type of woman he goes for, I do wonder why he married her. even his mother and brother were surprised when she showed up on the doorstep with him. could be they're soulmates.

Kinda OT:

Here's the bio of the judge that ruled Gitmo inmates (all together now) constitutional rights are being violated:

Surprise! Carter appointee!

#52 The Serpent

Elect me king for a day, and then the ideas of those leftarchists you mentioned will have no wind in their sails.

Their illness is not a worry without the legions of lunacy they protect.

Were the mutants on that website found and tried and found gulity, we would be paying for thier room and board for the rest of their lives.

By removing them from the oxygen load on this planet, we effectively remove the teeth from the likes of those leftarchists you mentioned.

Concepts of fairness and justice apply to humans. Look at the family these murdering heartless automatons slaughtered and tell me we are dealing with humans ...

#30 JustDanny

Danny, it seems like just a week or so ago, I spoke of something along those lines and caught quite a rebuke from you. Are you saying that your mind is being changed?

I don't know if anyone else did, but I clicked from one link to another until I found the name of the site that was translated. The site doesn't exits.

Either A: This isn't wholly true,

or

B: They got caught and pulled the site.

I personally believe Option B

47 Baldy

PIYF!

This anti-christian hate site should be shut down...and it will...

i'm just waiting for it to happen, and then all the islamofascists to start crying racism or some shit like that...

anyone hear about russian spies? this is kind of freaky too
[Link: www.moonbatmonitor.blog-city.com...]

Hey Mohammad, track THIS you death-fetish, camel-loving freak!

You can kiss my Christian ass!

(sorry mom)

Notice that the Counterterrorism Blog linked to the story from the NY Sun. If you live in NYC and don't read the Sun, you should begin. Today.

No one despises Hillary any more than I do, but I don't wish ill health or death on anyone because of their politics-even if they have a closet full of skeletons. Sure, I would to see her get unelected, but I can not claim to be someone of faith and say I hope she croaks. That is not my job or right.

Now the murdering thugs that this article speaks about is quite another matter.

O/T:

Brooklyn Mosque connected to Saudi Wahhabi hate literature. Is anyone at all surprised?

Personally, I wish Senator Clinton many happy years of retirement.

31 RayH

how is he being callous? Some people would consider that karmic justice.

Maybe it is, but Auntie Rosh says we can be classier than rubbing it in when someone gets sick.

well its nice that a large portion of posters here are armed at home. however if a stalker goes after someone the attack will be when the person is unarmed. the one person in the article lives in canada [no 2nd ammendment] and most gun owners that i know dont carry 24/7. good example you dont go into a bank, bar, gov office, school etc... while armed. the fbi should be all over this like white on rice. but my question is are they? also when i consult with someone about setting up a pc with online use for their kids how do i deal with explaining that if the kids argue on the wrong chat site their whole family can be killed. the question will inevetably come up as more and more people are ritually murdered by the ropma. these are serious questions that need to be addressed anyone care to help me with answers i can give when asked.

Fair trials are for human beings Ray. If we continue to treat these "people" with our, human, concepts of fairness, we will lose.

It is abhorrent that people like justdanny can come out with statements like the one above and nobody blinks an eyelid. It is particularly sickening if you consider that it is only days since the world remembered the horrors at Auschwitz and elsewhere with the words 'never again'. The Nazis dehumanised millions of people in the same was as justdanny does and that gave them the licence, in their own minds, to perpetrate the Holocaust.

justdanny, you should be ashamed of yourself

#54 RayH

Every n*** that existed should not have been tried in a court. They should have been rounded up and executed. As well, every n*** living today, including all the fresh new ones with no ties to the original ones, need to have the same done to them. No trial, no justice system ideas applied. Find them and execute them.

These idealogies are viruses that as long as they are allowed to live, will infect others. We will never wipe out ignorance and prejudice on this planet, we are humans, silly little fancy monkeys is all we are. But when they were the suit of a murdering menatl illness, or spout its dogma, execution is the only answer.

A fair trial would let them live. True justice would not.

#68 Jimmy

good example you dont go into a bank, bar, gov office, school etc... while armed

I always have a knife on me. Good old "Hidden in the belt buckle" knife, and it looks like a nice dress belt.

they're cheap, and unless you're going through airport or government security, there're something you don't have to worry about.

Of course, no weapon is really worthwhile against people who use bombs to blow themselves up in your presence. That's what the SWAT snipers are for ;-)

#49 Sarah d -- "OTOH - Maybe she's pregnant. And it's not Bills!

Oh, the intrigue!"

Well, then it could only be Karl Rove. Bwahahahahahah!

#68 JTC

most gun owners that i know dont carry 24/7

Not anymore we don't!

Alan 111

It is abhorrent that people like justdanny can come out with statements like the one above and nobody blinks an eyelid.

You blinked an eyelid. :) I agree.

OT I notice that several times, while Dems have been naysaying the Iraqi election on Fox News, Fox has been running the video of the Iraqis dancing around in the street, celebrating. Hehe.

auntie rosh;

what you say is true. but people come in all categories. such is to be expected. I would even say it is normal human behavior. doesn't say much about normal humans I guess.

OK, maybe I was a bit harsh in my "I can dream, can't I" comment, but HC is the most dangerous woman in politics. She must be stopped. And no I am not condoning assassination.

There are enough idiots out there to vote her in just for the novelty of saying "Mrs. President" regardless of the damage her and her socialist, appeasment cabinet would wreak.

She is (metaphorically speaking) The Devil Herself...

#69 Alan111

Your a funny little man. Equating the victims of the Holocaust with the terrorists of today.

"Oh please dont be mean and nasty to the people who chop off heads and dance and sing as they drag their innocent victims through the streets, Danny. That makes you a bad bad man. Everyone should shout down the bad mn who wants the vicious thugs of islam dealt with. Shout him down people. Shout down the bad Danny."

Fuck you.

#69 Alan111

justdanny "dehumanizes" Nazis and Islamofascists, groups under whose tender mercies your Constitutional rights would doubtless be eliminated.

And you get your panties in a bunch because he said mean things about them?

Duh!

If you live in NYC and don't read the Sun, you should begin. Today.

Ditto.

68

also when i consult with someone about setting up a pc with online use for their kids how do i deal with explaining that if the kids argue on the wrong chat site their whole family can be killed.

What you said really struck me. Another one of those unpleasant realities, like explaing the Holocaust and 9/11 to kids.
Thanks a lot, ropma. I know, let's tolerate it for another 10 or 20 years until they have consolidated their power to a point where we are defenseless against it. That would be exciting.

At poker the other night, I espoused the fact that I really don't give a rat's @$$ about Gitmo or Abu Ghraib. My Fraternity made those punks look like a bunch of sissies. Someone else suggested they should be treated nice because they're human beings. I'm still recovering from the nasty bruise my wife gave me under the table but those vermin gave up the rights we accord humans when they started using children to blow up other children.

Alan111,

Did the lobotomy hurt either during or after?

#76 tuffbeingright
Know what you mean, it's difficult to see her name without getting a knot in your own stomach over the kind of president she would be.
Wish there was a highly suitable Republican presidential contender who was female. (Rice? maybe?)

Charles, I emailed you some pics of the protests outside Hillary's speech today at Canisius College. I didn't watch her speak, but those pix are pretty interesting.

Alan 111, you ignorant slut. There are ways to disagree with (or try to qualify) justdanny's position without being a sanctimonious ass. Your #69 is not one of them.

And invoking the ghosts of Auschwitz to defend the modern-day nazi heirs is nothing short of obscene.

justdanny;

unfortunately that path would lead us to a type of inquisition as once seen in Spain. Where merely the accusation of being a witch or in this case a nazi or muslim terrorist is all that is needed to be put to death. In the case of murder such as what happened in NJ, we need to treat it as a law enforcement matter. Or we are no better than they are.
This is not to say that we can't kill them in defense of ourselves or others. But that is during the act. But until it comes to open warfare in the streets we have to treat them according to the law.
And if it does come to open warfare in the streets, we are going to kick their asses up one side and the other.

The FBI had better be all over this one.

I've engaged Muslims in chats over at Yahoo! Chat and have received death threats numerous times!

#75 RayH
Bein' mean is our God-given animal nature but we have the ability to do better and actually be civilized.
Trouble with getting into life-and-death conflicts is that you have to be uncivilized to win, and that carries over where it doesn't need to.
/auntie

Look into our prison system. Look at all the mass murderers and mass rapists and mass child molestors and subhiman ghouls who have been and will be sharing our air till they die of natural causes.

Now look at what the brainless heartless automatons of terrorist islam are doing.

Imagine every death row mass murdering scumbag on earth released and grown in rank exponentially daily for years on end, and unleashed onto societies where kind and considerate ideas of justice, meant to be applied fairly, to human beings who have gone astray of the law live.

Oh wait, I'm being bad again. Don't want to condemn Alan111's little buddies.

Why do you defend the filth who would slit your throat in a milisecond Alan111 ?

Let me answer.

Because you are a witless fool of the highest order. Who would feed his own family to the gnashing teeth of murdering lunacy, rather than release your foolish utopian ideas into the sky where no sound ideas have ever lived.

Lizardoids far and wide!

Here is what Hillary was speaking about today at my college:

"GOVERNMENTAL ROLE CARING FOR SICK"SENATOR CLINTON
Location: Montante Cultural Center
Campus: Main Campus
Time: 1:15 pm - 2:30 pm
Sponsor: Corporal Works of Mercy
Notes: Free and Open to the Public.

"GOVERNMENTAL ROLE CARING FOR SICK"SENATOR CLINTON

Sen. Clinton On Government Role In Caring For Sick
Lecture is part of Governmental Role in Effectuating the Corporal Works of Mercy series

BUFFALO, NY – The Canisius College Lecture Series on the Governmental Role in Effectuating the Corporal Works of Mercy will welcome U.S. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) on Monday, January 31 at 1:15 p.m. in the Montante Cultural Center, at the corner of Main Street and Eastwood Place. Clinton will speak about the governmental role in caring for the sick. Her lecture is free and open to the public.

Elected to the United States Senate in November 2000, Clinton is the first New York Senator to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee. She is also a member of the Senate committees for environment and public works, and health, education, labor and pensions. As a member of this latter committee, Senator Clinton has introduced legislation to expand health care coverage to more children and supported measures to improve the quality of existing health care coverage for aging Americans and patients in managed care.

The Canisius College Lecture Series on the Governmental Role in Effectuating the Corporal Works of Mercy was created by the Hon. John J. LaFalce ’61, Peter Canisius Distinguished University Professor, and is co-sponsored, in part, by the college’s Committee for the Promotion of Justice.

Up next: The Governmental Role of Wiping Oneself!

68 JTC

Unless I am in the bank (rare) I have a weapon concealed on my person at all times. NC is a pretty easy place to carry.

No one ever knows it is there. Now yes someone could pop me with a deer rifle while I check the mail but I'm pretty sure they would have a hard time getting close enough without a dog or neighbor noticing and punching a hole in them or chewing off something they would like to keep.

Ugh. I'm gonna stay out of this one for now. I just don't have the energy. Instead, let me follow up on my post #65 and see if I can focus you guys on who the real enemies are:

According to a press release and to the center's director, Nina Shea, the 89-page report, which was issued Friday, finds that the materials incite violence, inform Muslims that it is their religious duty to hate Jews and Christians, and even give specific instructions on how properly to express that hatred to one's infidel neighbors.

The Saudi-produced and -distributed materials denounce democracy - and democratic America - as un-Islamic. Ms. Shea said the materials are directed toward recent immigrants. According to the report, Muslim newcomers are told that, while in America, they should think of themselves as operating behind enemy lines and should use their time in America either to acquire information and resources for jihad or to convert the infidels to Islam.

The literature also promotes Wahhabism, the version of Islam officially embraced by the Saudi kingdom and adhered to by several of the September 11 hijackers, as the only true Islam, and it denounces more moderate Muslims who advocate tolerance as apostates. In Saudi Arabia, Ms. Shea said, apostasy is a capital crime. "If you're a Muslim and you become an infidel," she said, "you're put to death."

According to the report, one of the strongest denunciations of so-called apostasy was issued in Brooklyn's Al-Farooq mosque, on Atlantic Avenue.

"In a book published by the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs, and collected from the Al-Farouq Mosque in Brooklyn, New York, Saudi Arabia's official religious leader, the late Bin Baz, authorizes Muslims to kill converts to Islam who violate sexual mores on adultery and homosexuality," the report said.

. . .

The government of Saudi Arabia is working to overthrow the United States government. This is NOT a small thing.

#64)

jlfintx:

I don't wish ill health or death on anyone because of their politics-even if they have a closet full of skeletons.

the murdering thugs that this article speaks about is quite another matter.

I'm trying to understand what you are saying.

When is it acceptable (in your view) to wish someone dead?

Is there an Objective standard?

For a real kick, just point a purple index finger at them (thanks, Cox & Forkum).

As Ledeen says, faster please. We need lots more purple fingered muslims morphing and metastasizing in the body islamic.

#90 Radian
I always carry something in case of emergency as well. No sense in going into details in case anyone's tracking my identity.

superninja;

I hope you're carrying some kind of weapon. And I mean more than just a shuriken, like maybe something that goes bang. Also might be a good idea to inform the FBI, it could be a tie-in to the NJ murders.

Two Words: Islam OUT!

Here is an excerpt from my college newspaper editorial on Hillary:

"Senator Hillary Clinton is coming to our campus on Monday to speak on caring for the sick. This should be as non-political and bi-partisan of an issue as any; yet right-wing groups still plan to protest her presence. What is it about Hillary that makes her such a polarizing figure?
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...The other half hates her, usually citing reasons like, 'she wasn't born here,' 'she's a woman, she belongs in the kitchen, not the government,' or 'she wants ALL Americans to have health care? Not on my watch!' I encourage everyone to attend this presentation, not only to call out Republican protests as overly critical and partisan, but to listen to one of the most intelligent and influential elected officials in the country." By Joe Fuchs

85 RayH
Well put.

Thomas More, the patron saint of lawyers (and a lawyer), pointed out that if you destroy the law to get at the devil, what do you have to protect yourself when the devil turns around and comes at you? I am sure he put it much better than that, but I hope that conveys the general idea.

#88)

Justdanny: Look into our prison system. Look at all the mass murderers and mass rapists and mass child molesters and subhuman ghouls who have been and will be sharing our air till they die of natural causes.

You mean until Fate takes them?

Suppose you kill someone and then later discover that they were innocent of the crime that they had been convicted and executed for. Do you suppose that you would suffer some bad consequence in the future for making this mistake?

Justdanny: Now look at what the brainless heartless automatons of terrorist islam are doing.

Actually Terrorists are the opposites of automatons.

Terrorists are individuals who possess the freedom (“free will”) to murder, rape, torture and otherwise commit acts that moral people are prohibited from committing.

PIMF!

...my college's newspaper editorial...

#85 RayH

I disagee.

There is no anvil on this earth weighty enough to crush them quikly or dead enough, in my opinion.

Had the n*** been hunted down and destroyed, at their inception, the word Auschwitz would likely have never crossed any of our lips.

A man once said, "First we will cut off its head, then we will kill it." In reference to applying military justice to an enemy at hand.

I say, first we do not allow its body to grow, and we let its dead head remain as a reminder to all who seek to go that route, that it is a bodiless lifeless route, wherein none who walks survives.

Apply justice to humans who have hope of being revived and corrected. Go to the top of this thread and read the article. Tell me what you see is "people" who have hope of being corrected ...

94

Understand. I would suggest every person on this forum get a concealed carry permit. It is easy in most states and could save your ass. A handgun is like a manual transmission, everyone should know how to operate one.

If your live in the PRC or DC carry mace.

Serpent, are you a fan of Alan Moore?

# 92 the Serpent:

I'm trying to understand what you are saying.

Don't bother. You'll just confuse yourself into oblivion.

When is it acceptable (in your view) to wish someone dead?

When that someone is Osama bin Laden, for example.

# 97 Pooklebinkie, what do you expect from some guy who can't spell his name correctly?

More information at:

AMcoptic.com

#91 Jheka

Spot on!

Charles & Jheka

Good to know Internet Haganah is on this! One can only hope the FBI is too. . .

PooklebLinkie, sorry. PIMF

justdanny, with all due respect for your intentions, it sounds as if you are advocating the same tactics that the Islamofascists are using - you just have a different target.

No offense intended - I do respect you. However, I think you are taking righteous anger to an extreme.

Justdanny

After WWII, the industries of Japan were all filled with imperialists. Patton made a smart move: he released all the communist prisoners from Japanese prisons, and let them infect the country. Within 5 years, they destroyed enough companies to allow the industrial infrastructure to be rebuilt without the imperialists. Patton used the communists as biological weapons!

unfortunately that path would lead us to a type of inquisition as once seen in Spain. Where merely the accusation of being a witch or in this case a nazi or muslim terrorist is all that is needed to be put to death.

Oh please! What a crock.

justdanny;

Ok we agree to disagree.
While you are right that Auschwitz and Treblinka and Baba Yar and all the other murders by Hitler and his henchmen would have been avoided if their movement had been stopped in it's infancy, that is 20/20 hindsight.
We who are alive now know what happened then and can see it happening now. At least those of us who aren't raving moonbats.
But how are you going to go about it without killing innocent people here in America?
Like it or not the Constitution is still in effect, techinically speaking of course and void where prohibited*, so we have to do it in a matter that doesn't get rid of the Constitution while trying to save it.

*New Jersey, San Francisco, Berkley, 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

#99 The Serpent

I'm an atheist. Consequently, I jut finished watching the 6 part series on PBS called Auschwitz last night.

I sat in my bed numb and crying through several parts of the program. And with all due respect to fellow lizards of different faiths on here, that program solidified my atheism more than anything I have ever seen.

Please, everyone, accept this as a rhetorical self question, and one I did not construct to bolster my beliefs, it was a question that rushed to me when I was watching that program. Where was god when those millions of Jews were being marched into those gas chambers ? Where was he when they were being rounded up and shoved into the ghettos ? Where was he when they were being raped and beaten and dehumanized ?

If you want to appeal to your higher beliefs in allowing the robotic ghouls of islam to do their damage to us, as you insist they must be treated fairly, then so be it. But I have no god to answer to. I have no holy text to conform to.

Their culture of death and murder and celebrating lunacy and destruction has made them robots, automatons. They are imprinted by their beliefs with a groteque need to destroy all that does not support and feed their goal of a resistance free growth of their illness.

Crush them I say. Relentless and instant overpowering crush be upon them.

#110 pookleblinky:

After WWII, the industries of Japan were all filled with imperialists. Patton made a smart move: he released all the communist prisoners from Japanese prisons, and let them infect the country.

Huh?

109

In my opinion foreign nationals commiting religoius crimes in the us are an intelligence matter. This is not a court matter. Enemy operatives.

If they get a trial and are sentenced and then deported. fine.

If someone sticks an icepick or fires a suppressed 22 slug in the back of their head while they are waiting for an elevator, even better. Tuck a calling card in their wallet so they catch the hint that we are willing to take steps against them in their holy war. A coptic cross should get the point across to their buddies who claim the corpse. We are at war and these people are an enemy in our midst.

Hopefully out intelligence community has taken the gloves off.

Wonder how the Saudi state produced nasty educational materials for children will cover elections in the Muslim world?

As W once asked, (What in Islam) "Is our children learning?" We've got to intercept the stream of junk fed into their little brains early and counter program.

Dow anyone know how our efforts are doing in this vital work?

#103)

superninja: Serpent, are you a fan of Alan Moore?

I don’t think I’d heard of Alan Moore until you mentioned him. Is he some sort of comic-book guru?

I’m not sure I understand the reference?

#104)

RickZ: When that someone is Osama bin Laden, for example.

Yeah, and you mentioned Yasser Arafat as well. But why is it acceptable for you to wish them ill-will, but it is unacceptable for you to wish Hillary ill-will?

What’s the difference? You seemed to assert that you had a specific standard -- so what is your specific standard?

Thom;

No it's not crock. It's what people are capable of doing to each other. The jihad against us is one type of inquistion. You're an infidel, I'm an infidel so we're both under penalty of death unless we repent and submit. That and all the other stuff they think they have the right to do. We can fight them and do it dirty but still not be like them.

#92 Serpent

My comments were not at all contradictory. Hillary is not presently trying to kill me and my fellow Americans-the murderous thugs are. That explain it for you?

Please. Don't apply my rage to every enemy you feel I may perceive as a threat. Look at the article people. The enemy I am talking about is very specific.

I can't sit here and try to defend what I am saying if you are going to go willy nilly what I am saying to groups I am not specifically talking about.

Rage is the right word though. It is an educated informed rage.

It is not a shearly emotional whacked out reaction to what I read in the post Charles made.

Read the article.

I'm done for now. I have to go.

Alan 111, Thanks for saying all I need to prove true justice will never fix this. Thanks for posing as the perfect example of this problem being to deep for any simple fair ideas to handle. It is exactly your deeply rooted mental illness that is the enabling force for these "people" to do their work, uncontested.

#113 justdanny (and everyone else)

I just want to say that this is not a discussion/debate that civilized people should be having without a glass in their hand and a bottle of good scotch on the table. It lubricates the rhetoric, occasionally deepens the understanding and, importantly, dulls the barbs between friends. I am reminded of my old friend Jeff Robinette, who was a talented speaker and debater at any time but was friggin' Winston Churchill reborn after the eighth drink or so.

I'm just sayin'.

# 117 the serpent:

You seemed to assert that you had a specific standard -- so what is your specific standard?

Murderous bastards, and those that encourage/support murderous bastards. Seems pretty simple to me.

#113 JustDanny

Where was god when those millions of Jews were being marched into those gas chambers ? Where was he when they were being rounded up and shoved into the ghettos ? Where was he when they were being raped and beaten and dehumanized ?

Right where he has always been. It is too complicated to explain it on this forum, but my question to you is what are you basing your faith of being an Atheist on? It is a faith just like any other.

... my question to you is what are you basing your faith of being an Atheist on? It is a faith just like any other.

aaarrrgh ...

91

the late Bin Baz, authorizes Muslims to kill converts to Islam who violate sexual mores

What a shame. He made such good movies, such as Moulin Rouge.

I'm not calling anyone names or cutting anyone down because of their beliefs. I'm justing staking out my position on this.
At the same time I can understand justdanny's position. I know that I am capable of it myself. I think we all are. And I hope we don't have to go down that road.
I have to go myself. As a third shifter it's way past my bedtime.

What Thom-what does that mean.

Screw you then.

I'll be back at 8pm est.

I base my faith on ?

Im an atheist, I have no faith.

I simply do not believe in god, or that anything like god exists anywhere but in books and those who have faith in those books and the ideas that there is such a being or whatever.

We can fight them and do it dirty but still not be like them.

I agree. And at the risk of making an inflammatory analogy, I bet that there were more than a few British that wanted to adopt the colonists 'dirty' tactics, but were not allowed to because that meant sinking to the 'dirty' level of the 'dirty' rebels. We all know how well that worked out for the Brits.

exdamyankee - Yes.

#113)

Justdanny: Where was god when those millions of Jews were being marched into those gas chambers ?

Well undoubtedly if you axiomatically assume that dying is always a bad thing, then all those Jews being killed is a “bad thing”.

And obviously an Omnipotent “God” who allows evil to occur within his/her perception must be Evil (or non-existent).

I think the real question boils down to what happens to one’s consciousness when they “die”?

I think that an Individual who is inherently pessimistic will automatically assume that something bad happens.

Justdanny: Where was he when they were being rounded up and shoved into the ghettos ? Where was he when they were being raped and beaten and dehumanized ?

This is kind of like asking why does a hot stove hurt your hand when you touch it?

Obviously the answer is because God hates you … right?

Kind of the same reason we have BOTH True and False, Male and Female, Happiness and Sorrow, Pain and Pleasure. It doesn’t have anything to do with logical necessity, it is all because the Laws of Physics are conspiring to create a bad destiny for you.

Justdanny: If you want to appeal to your higher beliefs in allowing the robotic ghouls of islam to do their damage to us, as you insist they must be treated fairly, then so be it. But I have no god to answer to. I have no holy text to conform to.

So, with a clear conscience, you can just treat everyone as if they were figments of your imagination?

You do not defeat your enemy by becoming your enemy!

Those who easily deviate from the paths of Truth are easy prey for those who do not so easily deviate.

I’d also remind you of an old proverb, that those the Gods wish would “cease to exist” they first manipulate into believing that Atheism is True.

#113 JustDanny

Where was god when those millions of Jews were being marched into those gas chambers ?

A lot of people came out of the Holocaust asking themselves the same question. I respect your reaction, and I think if there is a Gd, he understands your anger. It's a relationship.

Alan 111 . . .

Because you are a witless fool of the highest order. Who would feed his own family to the gnashing teeth of murdering lunacy, rather than release your foolish utopian ideas into the sky where no sound ideas have ever lived.

And on this note, CHARLES . . .

Perhaps you could set up a thread on the cancelling of "Submission" at the Rotterdam Film Festival. Michele Malkin and others talk about this today. Sorry, no link.

The cancelling of "Submission" in Rotterdam shows where we'll be in a few years if whiny wimps like Alan 111 get their way.

I remember the New Year's Even festivities in NYC after 9-11. It took COURAGE to attend it because who knew how many terrorists were at large?

But Alan 111 and his ilk would have us cower like the Dutch and other Euroweenies seem to be doing.

#127 jlfintx

justdanny already said it, but I'll say it again:

A lack of faith is not faith.

129

To each his own. My problem starts with Muslims (or any group, but these days Islamos) who want to kill you and me for not thinking like them. My religion is not an issue here but I have no problem with others religions. As long as they don't inflict them on me physically. There is a difference in a Jahova's Witness bugging me with paper and one coming to my house and killing me because I ask them about the 100,000 slots and the fact that there more JWs than that.

If someone doesn't like my position on their religion and wants a civil discussion fine.

These people are killing people here, in the Netherlands, all over the world for their silly religion.

If they fuck around here to much people will snap back. It woudl be better if the normal muslims, like the expats voting in the Iraqi elections, would purge their ranks of the slime.

#122)

RickZ: Murderous bastards, and those that encourage/support murderous bastards. Seems pretty simple to me.

So Hillary Clinton (or Kennedy, or Kerry) do not encourage/support "murderous bastards" in your assessment?

"New Year's Eve"

Hey, did someone bring up Nazis again?

/runs/

Serpent,

Alan Moore is a comic book guru, but also a self-professed Shaman and wrote Snakes and Ladders which reads like you talk.

130

Exactly. We have to counter their tactics with what ever is demanded (short of genocide). If that means the CIA kills people fine.

If we make examples of their leaders, no problem.

If a terrorist gets bit by a dog or slapped around fine. Keep it out of the press and leave no trace.

IMHO everyone at gitmo should be pumped for intelligence and then lined up against a wall and shot.

going to pakistan to learn about islam, right, they are all jaywalkers.

#119 jlfintx

Hillary is not presently trying to kill me and my fellow Americans ...

Are you certain?

Maybe she is trying to kill you, but you just haven't perceived it yet?

Is that possible?

Are we hunted in our own Country now ?
Now Westerners are GAME for the muslims ?

Maybe they have missed Bush' sentence about the Koran.

How deep shall we go into the pit ?
A lot, judging from this.

#113 justdanny

To be upset by Holocaust documentaries means you are a rational sentient human being who asks how could others let evil go unchecked in their midst. You are ok.

Having religious beliefs doesn't absolve humans from responsibility to act against evil. We may appeal to what you consider supernatural forces for strength to harden us to stop the evil humans do to each other--but it is up to us to do the right thing. This is our own human mess to fix, with a lot of help from our faith for psychic & emotional support.

Religion can serve as extra programming and conditioning by our various faiths to stick our necks out & sacrifice to combat evil, knowing it may kill us, and that we may lose our life and everything we love but it is what our neocortex fortified by faith expects of us.

Read Dietrich Bonhoeffer's works on how his religious belief called him to try to assassinate the Fuehrer. He railed against the established religous people who did nothing to stop the terror.

#140)

Maybe he is a member of the hidden church?

On your recommendation I am going to check him out. Thanks for the tip!

# 137 the Serpent:

So Hillary Clinton (or Kennedy, or Kerry) do not encourage/support "murderous bastards" in your assessment?

That deserves a big "HUH?" If they can be shown to do that, then yes. What's the point of your inscrutable argument?

#142 Serpent

Email me for a pic of a protester angry about just that.

#145 Serpent

He's pretty out there.

Senator Clinton is one of the people I do not trust. I just cannot trust her - she has no honor, as far as I am concerned. Just like her husband - when Monica Lewinsky said President Clinton lied in his book, I believed Monica.

I see that Robert Spencer has some new information about the Coptic christian killings.

So I come late to the party but I have to say, that as far as I'm concerned Mohammed was not God's prophet and the koran was written to justify his agenda of conquest and empire in Arabia.

Now if that earns me a death sentence from some "militant" out there, well go fuck yourself.

Oh, forgot to put the email-linky on my name.

And another. If the Islamofascists are not outraged by LGF, well, we ain't trying hard enough.

Please, everyone, accept this as a rhetorical self question, and one I did not construct to bolster my beliefs, it was a question that rushed to me when I was watching that program. Where was god when those millions of Jews were being marched into those gas chambers ? Where was he when they were being rounded up and shoved into the ghettos ? Where was he when they were being raped and beaten and dehumanized ?

In response to justdanny's question, I'm going to throw out a suggested answer for justdanny and for those who believe in G-d to chew on:

Maybe G-d judged that His Children among Homo sapiens were grown-up and competent enough to handle the threat of Nazism ourselves, and so he let human history unfold without intervention...

...while elsewhere, on the fourth world from the star Tau Ceti, maybe He was busy, parting ammonia seas and providing a sulfur-based manna to sustain the eight-legged, exoskeletonous Chosen People of that planet, who were fleeing persecution and bondage that they'd suffered under others of their species. Whatever lies in store for these Spider-Jews of the Tau Ceti system, one thing's for sure: He's not going to help them out with convenient miracles forever...

#146)

RickZ: If they can be shown to do that, then yes. What's the point of your inscrutable argument?

My point (which I thought was fairly obvious) is that a lot of people seem to believe that the objective evidence (i.e. the actions of the Individuals we are discussing) demonstrate exactly that (i.e. encouragement/support of "murderous bastards").

Where was God? Where was man? Nazism killed millions, the miracle is that millions more gave their lives trying to end it.

as far as I'm concerned Mohammed was not God's prophet and the koran was written to justify his agenda of conquest and empire in Arabia.

Now if that earns me a death sentence from some "militant" out there, well go fuck yourself.

Ditto. I don't believe in Mohammud as anything other than a war mongering arab, (not something in short supply). Any muslims that don't like it can suck my jew balls.

William Blake

The Tiger

From Songs of Experience

Tiger, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder and what art
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And, when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand and what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

When the stars threw down their spears,
And watered heaven with their tears,
Did He smile His work to see?
Did He who made the lamb make thee?

Tiger, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

#154)
Throbert Mcgee: Maybe G-d judged that His Children among Homo sapiens were grown-up and competent enough to handle the threat of Nazism ourselves, and so he let human history unfold without intervention...

You mean God has an objective plan and he/she sticks to it, regardless of lesser consciousnesses comprehension of that plan, or lesser being objections to that plan (objections based on incomprehension)?

Is this kind of like the notion that God doesn’t want me to build my home on the shoreline of an area known for seismic activity? And if I defy “God” and build my house in such a region anyway that God might demonstrate his/her “displeasure”?

Or is it kind of like how God doesn’t want me to touch hot stove burners (even if I personally desire to), and if I defy God’s will then God punishes me?

#156) Peacekeeper,

the miracle is that millions more gave their lives trying to end it.

See – I was right!

I do like you. ;-)

# 155 the serpent:

My point (which I thought was fairly obvious) is that a lot of people seem to believe that the objective evidence (i.e. the actions of the Individuals we are discussing) demonstrate exactly that (i.e. encouragement/support of "murderous bastards").

If that's your "argument" (that's it?), then I've already answered it. Helpful hint: You should come down off the mescaline before posting again.

#148) superninja

He's pretty out there.

In my estimation one of the most positive things that one Individual can say about another Individual is that they are a "Character" (original/unique).

#160) RickZ

You should come down off the mescaline before posting again.

Always "thinking" like a Materialist.

I guess that's what makes you "random" and "unpredictable"?

Oh jeez ... here we go.

Thom
Now I forget who, but some of the lizards were freakin out over your recent absence. I know not much help. It was yesterdays thread. If you want I'll try to dig it up.

Serpent you are a character, peace!

For Me? This is IT now. Not just bells ringing..Sirens are now going off. This is happening in the US? And we arent doing squat about this? And we are continuing to invite in MORE of people that have a percentage of their cohorts that feel comfortable doing this kind of thing in the FREE US? I give up now...Really I do.

"PalTalk spokesman Wilson Cleveland said officials could not discuss
the Jersey City killings. But he added that the service includes
security measures that make it "absolutely impossible" for anyone to
glean personal information, like names or addresses, through the chat
rooms, unless people reveal it themselves."

From the NY Post story:

Barsomyat.com features not only photographs of the targeted Christians, but also attempts to track down their addresses. A post
about a Christian man whose computer was apparently hacked to obtain
his photograph includes the man's PalTalk name, his real name, and the
city where he resides in Lebanon.

This is criminal negligence by Paltalk, to falsely claim that users can't be tracked via their systems. They should withdraw that assurance immediately.

#91 and #65 jheka

That is a most illuminating article, as you say, "NOT a small thing"

I urge others to read it.

justdanny,

keep in mind that the government must maintain a monopoly on the use of violence in order to maintain its existence. Granted, it must be willing to use that monopoly in the service of those who support it (citizens) which it is recently hesitant to do. The Constitution allows for the suspension of habeas corpus in the event of invasion or rebellion. This will come in due time. Meanwhile, seeking vigilante justice is a loser's game.

Whats going on in America? We had better find out and NOT leave it to the Govnt to fix this. There are too many ARABISTS in your own Govnt that let this type of thing build up and go on.

We may have to end up in the "streets" like the Ukranians to stop some of this. Islamic WOrld "bought" too many people in Hi Office in the US(BOTH PARTIES) by this time and IF we dont DEMAND that something is done...we will be out of luck soon. I believe this to the marrow in my bones.

You let this go on at your own Peril..

Peacekeeper -- ditto my Brother.

#163 Thom:

So you agree with me that the Classic Comics "Jacques Derrida" series was a big mistake, too, huh?

#113 JustDanny

Elie Wiesel, who gripped the world's imagination with his book Night, a personal testimony of life and death in Auschwitz, once asked the Lubavitcher Rebbe, who himself lost many members of his family in the Holocaust, how he could believe in G-d after Auschwitz. If G-d existed, Wiesel asked, posing the single greatest challenge to faith, how could He ignore six million of His children de-humanized and murdered in the cruelest of fashions?

The Rebbe shed a tear and then replied, "In whom do you expect me to believe after Auschwitz? In man?"

Nazism vs. Islamic Fundamentalism - Part I

At the risk of being the only one who doesn't understand the nuance of web technology - this article begs a few questions. . .

Since a website can track "Christian" participants in a chat room,

How common a practice is "tracking/identifying" participants?

How vulnerable are sites like LGF?

How are participants tracked - is it done by some electronic tag?

Can 'tracking' be detected?

What particulars should potential participants look for before posting at various sites (privacy disclosure issues)?

#17 zombie,

Because this is not about personal vendettas, or bullying (or, God forbid, violence) but rather it is a battle of ideas in the public forum.

The islamofacists know they can't win a "battle of ideas," and the internet is where that battle is largely being fought in this country. Therefore, they are using their usual intimidation tactics to stop people from engaging in battle. For the sake of everyone's freedom, these tactics need to be fought--hard.

#168 vickie -

Islamic WOrld "bought" too many people in Hi Office in the US(BOTH PARTIES) by this time and IF we dont DEMAND that something is done...we will be out of luck soon. I believe this to the marrow in my bones.

I couldn't agree more. Both sides of the isle let these islamist terrorist fcuks into our country. They are either bribed out right or easily manipulated because of their multiculti PC agenda, or both. The biggest victims here, besides every US citizen, are the innocent muslims that fled the lands of these despots, only to see the US gov't allow the same muslim terrorists to come here and take over.

The Jihadis,Islamofascists, whatever you call them, their answer to every problem is DEATH. DEATH, DEATH!
In as much as DEATH! can be a philosophy, they are a one trick pony.

#172 justamomof4

I am no expert but one thing that I know can be done is that by getting a target to visit a site that the tracker controls the tracker can install a spybot that will trace the target's internet activities. By following the target around a considerable amount of information can be gained including in some instances identifying information.

#172)

It can be very simple.

Let's say that you have been targeted (i.e. the enemy perceives you as a threat).

I could pretend to be friendly towrds your views. I could start (subtly) asking you personal questions. Gathering bits and pieces of information on you.

Maybe I hack your computer so I can track what other websites you post on. I make up some more aliases and I repeat the same proedure there.

Before long I could have a fairly complete profile of you.

Those that are threatened with violence of this sort in a chat should start reporting it so that those individuals who harass or make death threats can be tracked.

You can easily gather personal information about someone from their ISP.

I don't know how to do it.

#172 further

Can 'tracking' be detected?

There are programs that will detect and remove spybots from your hard drive, but they are not guaranteed to get 100% oif them. I have one called "Spybot-Search and Destroy" that is free.

I am sure the more knowledgable here can recommend others. If you surf the internet at all it is certain that there is spyware on your computer, the only question is whether it is fairly harmless or malignant.

Well the fact that paltalk tells its users that they can't be traced is patently false, that's for sure.

First, they came for the pedophiles, but I was not a pedophile, so I said nothing.

Then they came for the serial rapists, but I was not a serial rapist, so I said nothing.

Then they came for the Nazis, but I was not a Nazi, so I said nothing.

But then they came for the Islamofascists--and I found there was no one to speak for me.

--and then Alan111 stepped in, and saved my ass! What a country!

It's easy to give out too many details about yourself. So you must be careful. For example I say I live in Vermont but perhaps I really live in New Hampshire- little white lies such as that one make no difference to lizardoids but could confuse a cyber stalker.

Something smells of fish.

I like the guys idea of getting 30,000(or more) people to say something blasphemous against islam(Alot of us already do so) so we all get a fatwa.

He said mohammed suck balls,but I just say mo was a megalomaniacal, moongod worshipping, death cultist pedophile.

On the other hand, any conjectured Jihadist hit team monitoring this site has got to see that we are a bunch of heavily armed, dog owning, paranoid individualists. There are easier prey out there.
Also, they seem to have a penchant for threats. So wouldn't they be posting some ?

If anything happens to any of the people whose names and addresses were published,the person who published the info would be an accessory to the crime for aiding and abetting.

But on the other hand the jihadis don't care about law,but the web host probably does.Hopefully the host will put an end to it.

#186 Peacekeeper:

Right you are. Cowards prefer to kill headwaiters and their families in their homes. Attacking someone who might (read "will") defend themselves is,well, dicey.

It seems pretty clear that this website and the people behind it are responsible for the horrific murder of the Coptic family in Jersey.

This story pretty much explains how it happened, and who did it.

The site should now be tracked and all the posters on it arrested and searched.

#99 The Serpent, a terrorist has no more free will than a moral person.

Slither away:-)

#190)

I assume that you are commenting on this remark:

Terrorists are individuals who possess the freedom (“free will”) to murder, rape, torture and otherwise commit acts that moral people are prohibited from committing.

What is it (specifically) that you are whining about?

#168 vickie, it occurs to me that some of those 'bought' people in Hi Office's relationship with islamists currently act to limit what islamists do in America; not so much home land security. But for how long?

#191 The Serpent

Your comment to Roger...

Serpent wrote: Terrorists are individuals who possess the freedom (“free will”) to murder, rape, torture and otherwise commit acts that moral people are prohibited from committing.

Serpent asks: What is it (specifically) that you are whining about?

Allow me to respond to this:

You are a blog-virus, Serpent.

I'M sorry if this info has already been analyzed:

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Status:ACTIVE

I'd ask you to explain yourself, but I know that instead you would merely launch into an ad hominem attack or try and obscure and obfuscate the subject.

You don't have any other choice. ;-)

#191 The Serpent, I'm whining that you have an above average ability to string words in constructs that say absolutely nothing.

#196)

Like I was saying ...

You don't have any other choice. ;-)

Is anyone saying anything to anybody?

Just GAZE at the frickin' idiotic serpent.

#196 Roger:

The Serpent, I'm whining that you have an above average ability to string words in constructs that say absolutely nothing.

It must love the sound of its fingers pounding the keyboard. Makesss it feel ssso impo'tent.

#195 The Serpent

You are only capable of one thought.

You explain this making your one and only thought be an explanation of WHY you're only capable of one thought (and one thought only.)

The rest of us are three-dimensional people.

You are a one-thought-blog-virus.

rightasrain,

Does it not sting when you pound your head against the wall?

Yeah, I'm moving to GAZE mode for the Soipent.

GAZE...

All Hail TLOP!

HAAAILLL TLOP!

Let's return to our previously scheduled topic on the Islamic Site Tracking Christians...

When it comes to the Coptic family murdered in NJ, is it possible that the rarity of their religion made them easier to find?

Thom,

? TLOP? Are we back to Ed and his BM's again?

Eeewww.

HAAAILLL TLOP!

I'm not Christian, but maybe I should go on that "chat" room.

Then they can come visit me and my 2 roommates - Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.

Bring it, assholes.

#205 rightasrain

That and the tattoos.

Really, it's just an importation of the horror they "enjoy" in Egypt. They came to America to escape these bloodthirsty moslems, and we're letting moslems in here by the thousands.

It's a shame to see NJ turning into Cairo.

#206 Bob with one O

Ask The Serpent about Mighty TLOP. He'll talk at ya till your ears fall off.

As for me, I've been on Paltalk. It's a jungle at times.

If you're in the Jewish chat areas, Muslims come in to scream curse words and death wishes to Jews at pretty regular intervals (or at least they did when it was a pretty active area.) I haven't been there much lately.

One of my favorite Paltalk memories is when an Arab Muslim grabbed the microphone in Paltalk and started to scream at Jews in Arabic - when all of a sudden, a young Jewish guy who is originally from Syria grabbed the microphone away from him and started screaming back at him IN ARABIC!

The Arab guy ran like hell.

People asked this nice guy from Syria 'What did you say to him?'

He told us, 'He was SWEARING AT US IN ARABIC!'

People asked him, 'So what did you say to him?'

He said with a smile in his voice, 'I told him what I thought of him.'

Being screamed at in Arabic by a Jew in a Jewish chatroom was an experience that this Arab Muslim guy wasn't prepared to handle. :)

Ok. So we are disgusted by the threats and the actions of these Islamofascists. Our disgust will not change anything.

What, if anything, can we DO?

#195 The Serpent

You are only capable of one thought.

The Serpent used to have a very important job.

Back in the good old days one could make a call on the telephone to get the time. A woman's voice would say:
"At the tone the time will be... xx:xx" Then, The Serpent with impeccable timing would declare "[beep]."

Well, those days are over and unemployment has brought The Serpent to LGF.

#205 rightasrain

I think their sect certainly helped narrow it down. They were probably also prolesthizing.

But when I used to engage Muslims on chat, I was not prolesthizing (I was not a Christian yet) - just asking questions - and still got death threats.

Makes you wonder if they are really just targeting westerners that are anti-Islam, or specifically Copts.

#212 Karen S.

What, if anything, can we DO?

Get ready.

Yeah, I've been thinking about buying a gun for some time now. Only problem? I sleepwalk.

Thom,

Sorry old friend but last week I had an epiphany. That would be an awakening for those who don't believe in G_D and think I need to prove one exists.

Mom used to tell me "look, but don't touch (the keyboard)." The older I get, the smarter my parents become.

# 205 rightasrain:

When it comes to the Coptic family murdered in NJ, is it possible that the rarity of their religion made them easier to find?

Could be, especially in that part of Joisey.

I'm beginning to think that another reason (as if more were needed) for the derth of coverage of the murders is that there are most likely very many in the MSM who view Copts the same as Iraqi Shias or Iranian Sunnis, just another sect in the RoP. Let's face it, they're Egyptian, and I think our media would be hard pressed to google 'Copt' to discover that there are actually real live Christians, in fairly large numbers, living inside an islamic country today.

#214 superninja

Well, I'm wondering if this Coptic family was prominent in their community (enough so that people could infiltrate their local area in NJ.)

They would have spoken Arabic and it's probably not all that difficult for an Arabic-speaking person to get near Coptic Christians (especially if these other Arabs pretend to be interesting in converting.)

It's such an outrage what happened to this family and it's important to know how the family was tracked down (so that the FBI can work these issues.)

#213 PDM

LOL! :)

#219 rightasrain

Did you read the update on jihadwatch where they interviewed a friend of the slain NJ family?

It's basically what you describe.

#216 superninja, you'll just have to tie a sturdy string from your big toe to the bed post with a length shorter than the distance to your gun cabinet:-)

You guys must read this. They accuse the Egyptian govt of possible complicity and describe the method of killing the media is not mentioning:

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

# 209 Thom:

It's a shame to see NJ turning into Cairo.

But Joisey's already a swamp, why not make it an islamic swamp?

#223 superninja

compromised clergymen? Huh? The dross always comes to the top.

#225 Roger

Maybe someone should blast this to all the media outlets and ask why a proper investigation isn't taking place?

#226 superninja

Maybe someone should blast this to all the media outlets and ask why a proper investigation isn't taking place?

The media is afraid.

Unlike the Baghdad beheaders, these murderers are in the U.S.

#226 superninja

Yes but how? And another question comes to mind: how much pressure can Egypt apply to American Copts?

#228 Roger

A great deal, considering that they will have family still in Egypt.

Well I just signed up on paltalk and I asked one of the administrators about this, some Scottish guy (called Scotty).

His reply was: "don't believe everything you read in the papers."

And: "I have a lot of Muslim friends on pal talk."

Brilliant.

And this is the website that tells people they cannot be traced.

Great, remind me not to go on that site ever...

# 226 superninja:

Maybe someone should blast this to all the media outlets and ask why a proper investigation isn't taking place?

Their answer would be the same as the Hudson County prosecutors and police would give for their lack of information and their withholding of the autopsy report until the middle of March: They are afraid of a backlash against muslims once it gets out that personal jihad has reached the States, not just the grandiose jihad we had on 9/11.

#228 Roger

Well, CAIR has already made an announcement about it. So this is not just an "Egyptian" thing - it is an Islam thing.

Also, if Copts have family in Egypt still, I would say they could apply a lot of pressure.

#232 RickZ

Their answer would be the same as the Hudson County prosecutors and police would give for their lack of information and their withholding of the autopsy report until the middle of March: They are afraid of a backlash against muslims once it gets out that personal jihad has reached the States, not just the grandiose jihad we had on 9/11.

Worse than that, I fear that they are worried that these individual attacks will start to grow in the U.S. (as the jihadists start coming out from their American hidey-holes.)

#234

They're preying on the Arab speaking first, because they can infiltrate.

I can't believe the media is ignoring this. I'm find that frightening. And all the bullshit spouted by others trying to say this was a robbery. WTF... do they we are all stupid? This should be a major news item.

#235 superninja

They're preying on the Arab speaking first, because they can infiltrate.

They're also creating FEAR among Arab speaking peoples here, which doesn't bode well for the rest of us.

Those who speak out will end up like Balestinian collaborators in Judea and Samaria who end up upsidedown from a lamp post with their innards missing.

We're talking about a barbaric system of retribution here (one that doesn't depend on the truth.)

One thing that can't hurt is to promote legally the deportation of Radical Islamists. That is if an Islamic person believes in violent jihad, dhimmitude of others, approves of suicide bombings, etc., etc., then they should be taken into custody and deported.

#212 Karen S,

One thing we can do is strengthen our communities. Realize we are not all that different and find time for each other. I know of some quiet Christian efforts to associate more with Copts and give them better support and a better sense of America as their home.

There is also nonintuitive outreach started by quiet Christians that I wish not to state specifically in public but is starting to see results.

But my more melancholy side thinks time is not on our side.

#235

There are vast differences between "arab Christians" and actual Arabs that is other than language... Due to the fact that they were isolated, they were able to retain their religion and heritage in the arabic world, they have not been infiltrated by Islamic bloodline like other portions of the Arabic society. There is a reason why Coptics look so different from a normal Egyptian or why Iraqi Christians have colored hair and colored eyes. So distinct looks can act against Christians.

For example everyone I know thought of me as Italian or Greek in the beginning. My mother's family is mostly fair with colored hair and eyes. Besides, many Christians have an accent due to speaking either Syriac, Coptic or Aramiac regularly. Many Muslims can tell the difference.

The only exception was Lebanon where both Christians and Muslims look European, that is changing quickly however, the muslims are mixing with the Palestinians acquiring their characteristics.

Also, inbreeding among Christians has caused a severe genetic problems, Chaldeans for example are noted in medical books as having the highest case of Colitis for a population. As population becomes smaller in Christian villages (like in Iraq where there was an active movement by Saddam toward the end of "arabatizing" the villages, genetic blood diseases are also becoming a problem.

To give you an idea, there are seven couples in my small family within the last 60 years that have the same last name! Marriage to second cousins is becoming almost normal nowadays. Some are even resorting to first cousins.

As a solution to this problem, in the 80's and early 90's Many chaldean Americans were flying to Iraq to find wives.

I really should write a thesis on this...

mmm fish

#240 RayA

The only exception was Lebanon where both Christians and Muslims look European, that is changing quickly however, the muslims are mixing with the Palestinians acquiring their characteristics.

There's no such thing as "Palestinians."

You're talking about mixing with Arabs who had mostly come from all over the Arab world to the Palestine Mandate as migrant workers.

#232 RickZ -- "They are afraid of a backlash against muslims once it gets out that personal jihad has reached the States, not just the grandiose jihad we had on 9/11."

I don't think they fear that. They fear what will happen to witnesses who testify, and to themselves and their families if they prosecute. Fearing backlash to the muslim community is PC whitewash. They've lost control, they can't enforce law in their own community and it's a backlash against them and Hudson County and State Democrat politics that they fear the most.

right as rain 242.

I thought that is why they call Palestinians Jordyptians on the lgf website.

#242

I don’t agree with you there... By your definition, Israelis are not allowed to call themselves Israelis because they were jews from many different countries.

Just taking common sense into consideration, anyone can debate whether there is Palestine or there isn’t, but you cant debate what people call themselves, wrong or right that is what they call themselves and what it is accepted by the world, including Israel... You cannot debate that there is a group in Iraq calling themselves Chaldeans, or Assyrians as (faulty as that might be. Christians in Iraq are a collection of different people coming from different parts of the worlds living in distinct villages.)

Another example, There are Kurds, but there isn’t a Kurdistan... you can’t debate that they should not be called Kurds.

Just because you do not believe that they should have a state, does not mean that you should stop them from calling themselves Kurds.

I hope that made sense...

# 243 studsup:

I don't think they fear that. They fear what will happen to witnesses who testify, and to themselves and their families if they prosecute.

Good points.

Fearing backlash to the muslim community is PC whitewash.

Not when one reads about how to arm one's self here on LGF.

Possibly a combination of fears tragsting potential acts to and by muslims. But the key word is still fear. Which is appalling.

245 RayA:

Well, if that's the case, then you must all call me a Super-Genius, since that is what I call myself, and in fact, is what is inscribed on the waistband of my Underoos!

My # 246. tragsting s/b targeting. I failed Norwegian.

#245 RayA

I don’t agree with you there... By your definition, Israelis are not allowed to call themselves Israelis because they were jews from many different countries.

Israel is a real country, though. It existed thousands of years ago and it exists again today.

There is no nation in the history of the world called "Palestine" that contained Arabs who still exist there today.

Arabs come from the Arabian peninsula. They invaded a number of places that consider themselves to be Arab today.

They didn't exist as a nation called "Palestine" EVER.

This myth of a "Palestinian People" was invented in 1968. There's not even a mention of "Palestinians" in UN records until 1968 or later.

They do not exist. They are purely a myth invented for political purposes.

Ray A--245

But the Kurds in the middle east are a distinctive group, so are the other groups you mention. The Palestinians are not all that distinctive from other arab Moslems--and many of them did migrate into the area for the increased commerce and jobs which followed the increase in the Jewish population in pre-state Israel.

Kurds, on the other hand, are a real people. They don't have even the slightest prospects for a state of their own, but they have their own culture and ethnic identity.

Balestinians do not have either of these. They are Arabs.

#247

LOL super-genius is a title and not a name... But if that’s what you like then I will call you Super-Genius with capitalized letters... ;-)

le Super-Genius, c'est moi!

How about "Palestinians" who are born in what the PLO calls today "Palestine"? What do you call those?

The Government calls this country "America" or "the United States" As foreigner are born here, what do you think they should call themselves?

(Or something like that, I don’t know, my sister is the lawyer...)

Prior to the return of the Jewish people to the Holy Land, the Arabs referred to it as "Southern Syria."

They had ZERO identity as "Palestinians."

The British brought the name back in the early 1900s. It has nothing whatever to do with Arabs (whose Arabic alphabet doesn't contain the letter "P" to pronounce such a name anyway.)

Keep a watch on Jihad Watch.

I have a feeling that the more the authorities try to hush these murders, the more likely it is going to blow up.

Also write to your congressman and senator, apprising them of a developing situation that could do serious harm to civil peace in the USA.

#254 RayA

How about "Palestinians" who are born in what the PLO calls today "Palestine"? What do you call those?

They are Arabs.

People from the Arabian peninsula have been Arabs for a long time.

The Balestinians are no different. They have no identity that's different from Arabs who live in any of the other Arab areas.

Balestinians are not a distinct people in any way.

They are strictly a myth (a lie, actually.)

254 RayA:

How about "Palestinians" who are born in what the PLO calls today "Palestine"? What do you call those?

Squatters?

#255

Kuwait was born the same way, there was no Kuwait before the British divided it in the early part of the last century, you wouldn’t be able to tell the different between an Iraqi living in Basra and a Kuwaiti.

The Balestinian Narrative is a ripoff of the story of the Jewish people.

When the Jewish people say, 'We are an ancient people returning to our homeland' (which is TRUE and a long part of the actual historical record of human beings on the planet Earth) - Balestinians say, 'No, WE are the ancient people trying to return to our homeland.'

They invented a people who didn't exist until 1968 and they market themselves as having existed (without being in ANY historical record) since the dawn of time.

It's a lie.

DP 111

I agree with you. This one could blow up big time.

I've read everyones responses. I'll repeat what I said earlier.

We cannot find them and kill them quick enough. One "person" speaking their words and doing their deeds is too many.

Freedom and liberty and justice are all concepts worthy of good people and good people gone temporarily astray of their better senses.

For the worshippers of death and murder, there should be no justice, no freedom. no liberty.

When the islamists care about their children, and when the islamists stop the worship and celebration of murder and destruction, which is at the core of their being, only then will their culture, their lives, be anything but a target in the scope of every right thinking man and woman on earth.

They have no rights. I respect them none. They cannot be killed quick enough. Every effort should be taken to speed up the process.

How many Van Goghs, Armanious family, will it take before our enlightened governments wakes up to the serious problem that is festering in our societies?

Any objection to mass immigration or the destruction of traditional Judaeo-Christian moral values is deemed as racist, akin to support for fascism. As a result, in the name of multi-cultural tolerance, we have allowed the creation of the brutal, anti-democratic monster of Islamism in our midst.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

#259 RayA

Kuwait was born the same way, there was no Kuwait before the British divided it in the early part of the last century, you wouldn’t be able to tell the different between an Iraqi living in Basra and a Kuwaiti.

Kuwait was given land for a state and they became one.

The Balestinians have turned down land for a state THREE TIMES NOW because they refuse to accept that Jews get a state.

So they are NO ONE at this time, except Arabs.

If they had accepted a state in 1937, 1947 or in 2000, then one could call them a NEW people called "Palestinians."

They are IN NO WAY an ANCIENT people called "Palestinians."

It's nothing but a lie.

This makes me want to vomit, and cry, and kill things, especially after reading Jihadwatch. I just looked up carry laws in my state. Husband can shoot, I can't. I'm going to learn though, real quick.

We were discussing diversity at our church the other day, waiting for a basketball game to start. I mentioned to a few mothers that my kids get sort of wigged out and nervous when they see a Muslim while we're riding the subway, on a bus, etc. They promptly told me if I put my kids in school, they would be used to dealing with diversity, and not freak out when they see people who are "different"-- and this is in a highly political, Zionist, evangelical church. If these people aren't seeing the threat-- we're in trouble.

skoipolloi

DP111
So what do you think of the idea to start promoting legal deportation of Radical Islamists. Whenever I tell someone this ideam they always agree. So this is now a majority porisiotn in the USA.

#258 jwpaine

That one need a 'spew warning' or something!

Too funny. Too true.

RayA, the Balestinian Narrative is a lie, pure and simple.

They are NOT an ancient people who were called "Palestinians."

This was invented in 1968 or so.

Accepting this lie as truth has helped in raining terror and war down onto our entire planet.

All these myths. We are steeped in countless rows of stacks of poison myths.

Palestinian: myth

Moderate muslim: myth

ROP: myth

It goes for centuries in every direction and causes only death destruction and illness.

#267 m:

Kewl! My first "spew"!

Le Super-Genius, C'est Moi!

Right, justdanny!

Buying INTO these myths is a step off a cliff into the abyss.

261 sandbox

Americans are a tolerant people and will give the benefit of the doubt for far longer then other people. However, I would hate to be in the path of these "Yanks" when they are aroused.

On Jihad Watch they have the link to that site that was glorying in the murders of this Christian family. Barbaric and depraved do not adequately describe the minds of these people.

There is just so much one can take.

Well now its becoming a bit ridiculous, even the Lakud party is more moderate than you guys LOL...

Isreal made the massive mistake in not kicking all of them out in the beginning, they could have controlled their borders better. With no hope of returning they would have disseminate into alternative arab society a long time ago and be done with it.

But, they have been in the west bank for 60 years stagnating and now they have grouped themselves into something or other. Israel has two options, either live with it and give them a State and make them responsible for their actions, or deal with it with violence and kick them all out... If you remain in the middle debating if they should or should not exist (or what they name themselves) is counterproductive and wont solve a blessed thing. They will remain the cesspool of terrorism for another 100 years. If you like that option, go ahead and keep debating.

In my post (600 posts ago) I was trying to explain differences between christians and muslims in the arabic world...

Anyway, moving on... To dinner... ;-)

#272 DP111

On Jihad Watch they have the link to that site that was glorying in the murders of this Christian family. Barbaric and depraved do not adequately describe the minds of these people.

Egypt recently asked Abbas to give them an apology for how the Balestinians danced in the streets and passed out candies when Sadat was murdered. Abbas refused.

The Balestinians danced in the streets on 9/11, too.

It's barbarism, alright. Absolutely disgusting.

266 sandbox

So what do you think of the idea to start promoting legal deportation of Radical Islamists. Whenever I tell someone this ideam they always agree. So this is now a majority porisiotn in the USA.

It is probabaly the most humane solution. If this problem is not eradicated soon, I see nothing but civil strife, and even a civil war. Millions dead, the economy destroyed and distrust of everyone ie breakdown of society.