Oh it just keeps getting better and better....

These MSM guys call us "wingnuts" ?

Oh, boy...

Castro (pbuh) understood that CNN stands for "Communist News Network."

egads...
And they look at this like it is a POSITIVE thing!

Ted Turner, who at that point had never traveled to a Communist country or knowingly met a Communist

He never met his wife?

#5 amir --
You beat me by one minute! I was going to say the exact same thing.

Marvin Olasky said it best this weekend. As FOX's ratings grow in the U.S., CNN either must move right, or, as its doing now, it tailors its news to its ``international'' audience with a left wing anti-U.S. anti-Bush tilt to capture that market

Maybe CNN will hire Al-Reuters' former managing editor Steven Jukes who infamously remarked post-9-11 that Reuters would not call the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon ``terrorist'' as ``one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.''

Maybe Fidel was under the imression that CNN stood for Castro News Network, the reporting style certainly fit the profile.

That should be "under the impression,"

/Preview is my friend

#5 and #6 amir and zombie

The operative word here is "knowingly". Yoou see, Ted's too g-dammed dumb to know a Commie when he sees one....

Why, is it because its the Communist News Network? or the Clinton News Network? or the Castro News Network? or the......

OK - on a more serious note - Wall Street Journal Editorial Page has a lead editorial (subscription to a WSJ newsletter like Best of Web needed or try BugmeNot) that asks - 'Did Eason Jordan really have a good reason to quit CNN?'

In the editorial - the right wing blogosphere is taken to task for it's pressure on Easongate and for the irresponsible statements made by Jordan at Davos - which they repeatedly remind us - Jordan immediately backpedaled from.

At least they reference 1 previous statement by Jordan, where he admitted that he / CNN spiked stories in order to stay in the good graces of Saddam Hussein - and rightfully say that was a reason for Jordan to be terminated from his position at CNN.

There have also been some cries of 'McCarthyism' related to Easongate.

Well, Congressman Barney Frank was very concerned over Jordan's comments. So was Senator Chris Dodd. Panel Moderator David Gergen has gone both ways on the issue (what a surprise) - and the WEF will not release the transcript or tape of the panel discussion. If this was as benign as is claimed - where is the tape?

Still, this is partially about this one event, and also partially about a history of irresponsible comments / accusations / decisions by Eason Jordan that the WSJ doesn't seem to acknowledge.

MSM is really starting to fear the power of the blogs. Perhaps that is why they roll out the big canard - 'McCarthyism'?

There's almost nothing on CNN or FOX about Eason Jordan today. Has anyone else noticed?

You know, it would be good news and good business for the MSM to report this. Have they? Will they? I doubt it, they're all looking out to protect their ideolical cartel.

Castro: Father of CNN International

It's just like Marx being the father of worldwide communism. Their goals are exactly alike: spread socialist ideals worldwide through deception, lies, and "re-education".

OT -- Good news here

On January 30, 2005 John Kerry told Tim Russert He would sign Form 180.

Not signed yet ......

Maybe Kerry doesn't HAVE a from 180.

If you want to send him one .... Go here ....

Castro (pbuh), CNN (pbuh), and Eason Jordan (pbuh), it is not too late to change and repent of your wayward actions. Be brave, see the light and go the right way. As a starter, read LGF daily to acclimatize yourself to the truth.

No one in the blogosphere did ANYTHING to Eason Jordan except REPEAT HIS OWN WORDS! Why should we suffer a guilt trip for that? NUTS!

Ted Turner, who at that point had never traveled to a Communist country or knowingly met a Communist

At this point the room erupted in hysterical laughter.

What is it with American LLLs and their unbounded admiration of Fidel Castro? Ted Turner admires him extravagantly while half of Hollywood and the music industry has made the pilgrimage to Havana to learn at the knee of el Jefe.

7 RaiderDan

it tailors its news to its ``international'' audience with a left wing anti-U.S. anti-Bush tilt to capture that market

Which is way both the media and the Left that it serves have become openly treasonous.

THISis CNN.

in the words of Bob G
the most busted name in news

mazing how these comments were never noticed before. Boy, are you bloggers pains in the arse or what!

CNN RELIABLE SOURCES
February 16, 1997; Sunday
Transcript # 97021600V50

Bernard Kalb: Welcome back to RELIABLE SOURCES. Topic number three, the White House opens the way for U.S. press bureaus in Cuba.

(voice-over) The Clinton administration gave the green light to 10 news organizations to open bureaus in Cuba. The U.S. trade embargo requires companies who do business in Cuba to be licensed. These permits were granted on the understanding that news gathering will be "unconditioned and unrestricted". The White House hopes reporters will expose harsh economic and political conditions in the communist country.

However, only CNN can take advantage of the decision since only CNN has received permission from the Cuban government to open a Havana bureau next month. There's no word as to whether the other news organizations will receive permission.

But Florida Republican, Congressman Lincoln Diaz Balart, who is a Cuban-American, criticized the Clinton decision. He told the "Washington Post", "This is not a step forward, this is simply a personal favor by Castro to his friend, Ted Turner."

(on camera) We are joined by Eason Jordan, CNN's executive vice president for international news, who has been to Havana to negotiate this agreement. Eason, this remark about it being a personal favor to Ted Turner, could you take that question on?

EASON JORDAN, CNN EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, that's nonsense. I mean Ted played no direct role in any of these discussions, which have gone on now for two years. It's true that Ted and Fidel have a friendship that goes back for many years, but he's had no role at all in this bureau effort and in fact it was CNN personnel only, including Bernard Shaw, who went to Havana in June of 1995 and spent four hours with Fidel Castro and it was really during that meeting where I think we [Eason, et.al.] made the headway that resulted in the Cuban government's permission in August of 1996 to let us go forward with this bureau.

KURTZ: Eason, fairly or unfairly, because CNN operates in capitals around the world, it has a reputation in some quarters for being cautious about its reporting so that you don't be in the position of getting kicked out by an offended or a hostile government. Aren't you going to be on tender hooks here in terms of what you can report in Cuba? You'll be the only news organization there from America not wanting to get booted out in the early months.

JORDAN: Well, look, if we get booted out, we get booted out. We will pull no punches. Our reporting in the past has included stories that hit every sensitive subject -- human rights, prostitution, you name it, we've been there, we've done it. We will pull no punches in the future, just as we've pulled no punches in the past. . .

For all the newbies out there who would like to see a really good article on Charles from last year and a little more about him, please see this [Link: www.israelnn.com...]

#12 foreign devil

There's a reason bad news always happens at 5:35 on Friday afternoon.

Mr Eason continued, "Of course, that is just what Ted told us. Castro may have said nothing of the sort... you see, at that time Ted was still not responding well to his lithium treatments. He also told us that CNN was inspired by Barney the Purple Dinosaur...

And he told us that Dan Rather is the Queen of the Space Unicorns."

former CNN Chief News Executive Eason Jordan

Hey, that has a nice ring to it.

I wonder what could have attracted Fidel Castro so strongly to CNN?

Probably the same thing that

CNNLIES

#23 Myoclonic Jerk

mazing how these comments were never noticed before. Boy, are you bloggers pains in the arse or what!

YES !
That is the strategic change.

Now we finally CAN come to know.
And we can comment and reflect upon all the BS (including the great Chief BS).

...furthermore, this was not the first time Eason Jordan had screwed up. There was a lot of resentment over his disclosure of the role CNN had played in covering Saddam's treatment of his own and CNN staff and not only that cover-up but the continuing collusion with the Saddam regime whereby the west and specifically, the Bush Administration, encountered huge resistance to their efforts in the war and reconstruction of Iraq from disinformation and grudging admissions by CNN. That's a huge role for CNN to be playing AGAINST THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. THEY'VE BEEN A TRUE FIFTH COLUMN LED BY EASON JORDAN.

The rest of CNN has to be cleaned out as well. I don't mind one or two of their people, Heidi Collins, Daryn Kagan but a lot of them will have been tainted by Jordan's 'ethic'.

#21 big L

THIS is CNN.

No, THIS is CNN!

And what of that strange, affectionate anecdote with Muammar el-Qadafi? He learned English by watching CNN? And Jordan thinks that is a good thing? Well, yes, I suppose he does.

Castro has inspired one ugly communist regime, and one ugly propagnda news network.

Turner has stated that when he and Castro went hunting; he asked Castro if he had considered that he (Turner) might blow his head off.

To which Castro replied:

"How do you know I won't blow your head off?"

Seems like a great opportunity was missed here; whoever would have been the shooter.

#25 jlfintx Many thanks for that article on Charles. Somehow I missed it. Charles, yo is a cutie. ;-) Need that face plastered here abouts.

OT: Mosque Fire Kills at Least 35 in Tehran

The official Islamic Republic News Agency said a long sheet of cloth segregating men from women caught fire and then quickly spread throughout the mosque.

I wonder if any of the faithful will consider this a not-too-subtle sign from Allah?

CNN needed Castro to tell them that there could be an international audience for American news services? Didn't it occur to them that many English speaking people live around the globe? You know, the more soundbites we get from Eason the more it sounds like he tries to say whatever he thinks people want to hear. Someone like that shouldn't hang out in anti-American venues as he'll bite himself in the rear.

At first I thought that he was actively anti-American. Now I just think he has no interviewing skill and should never have been given the task of speaking on behalf of CNN. What a dope.

Catro is to CNN what the Palestinians are to ABC World News Tonight With Peter Jennings.

Ted Turner, who at that point had never traveled to a Communist country or knowingly met a Communist

Hell he was married to one Jane Fonda!

For a thought-provoking article on voluntarism in capitalism check out:

[Link: voicesofreason.info...]

Charles:

I wonder what could have attracted Fidel Castro so strongly to CNN?

#19 Paul:

What is it with American LLLs and their unbounded admiration of Fidel Castro?

Look, I know you guys are asking rhetorical, tongue-in-cheek questions, but you're going to run across others who seriously want to know. And the reason is: there's NO fundamental philosophical difference between a COMMUNIST and any OTHER kind of COLLECTIVIST

BTW, "CNN" stands for "Collectivist Negativity Network" or "Constant Negativity Network."

Is Jordan a Patriot?

[Link: www.theamericanpatriots.com...]

#21 big L
#32 kayawanne

NOPE - Behold: THIS is CNN.

No wonder Darth Vader was the voice of Crappy/Criminal/Cuban News Network

CNN...THE MOUTHPIECE FOR TERRORISTS!

#35 bj

If you want to see a better picture of Chas, look at the bottom of the main screen, click on about and charles and his bro picture is there.

#43 ronaldusmagnus
#21 big L
#32 kayawanne

NOPE - Behold: THIS is CNN.

I stand corrected!

#19 Paul

What is it with American LLLs and their unbounded admiration of Fidel Castro?

Who doesn't want to be seen as supporting the idea that everyone should have adequate food, shelter, and medical assistance? Peer pressure, self-loathing, guilt, altruism: any of these could be reasons. If Castro is able to convince them that he is truly dedicated to egalitarianism then they'll buy into his line of b.s. Cult leaders have always been good at spinning a web of truth and self-delusion. Castro's schtick is apparently talking for hours until the other person's objections are worn down.

So, how's Elian doing anyway?

Hey, gang! The Wall Street Journal is hopping mad--at us!

Defense of Bret Stephens and Eason Jordan!

That may be old-fashioned damage control. But it does not speak well of CNN that it apparently allowed itself to be stampeded by this Internet and talk-show crew. Of course the network must be responsive to its audience and ratings. But it has other obligations, too, chief among them to show the good judgment and sense of proportion that distinguishes professional journalism from the enthusiasms and vendettas of amateurs.

No doubt this point of view will get us described as part of the "mainstream media." But we'll take that as a compliment since we've long believed that these columns do in fact represent the American mainstream. We hope readers buy our newspaper because we make grown-up decisions about what is newsworthy, and what isn't.

Feel spanked, anyone?

Sorta on topic.

David Frum has something interesting in his column today.

My cousin, Jules Crittenden, witnessed the famous incident in which an American tank fired on the Palestine hotel, accidentally killing two journalists and wounding three others. Jules offers a distinctive take on Eason Jordan's comment that American soldiers targeted journalists:

"I was embedded with the tank company that fired on the Palestine, and was within 100 yards of the tank that fired on April 8, 2003. Sgt. Shawn Gibson saw what he thought was an Iraqi forward observer in a tall building. We had been alerted that an Iraqi F[orward] O[bserver] had eyes on our position an hour earlier. The tankers had been in combat for up to 30 hours by the time Gibson fired, and after a particularly heavy pre-dawn counterattack was repelled, continued to be plagued with mortar fire and RPGs -- including fire from the east bank of the Tigris and from tall buildings. In a month of combat operations with A Co. 4/64 Armor, I witnessed numerous examples of restraint when the tankers put themselves in danger in order to avoid killing civilians. Any suggestion that American soldiers have purposefully killed journalists in Iraq is repugnant, ignores the facts and reflects a disturbing bias."

So Ted Turner, who at that point had never traveled to a Communist country or knowingly met a Communist

So he started CNN back when he was still single?

Would anyone here be disappointed if one of North Korea's errant nuclear weapons happened to land right on the Presidential Palace in downtown Havana?

The Castro News Network would certainly appeal to the tyrants and dictators of the world. Since those fuckers working at CNN or the MSM can't see the world or the plain truth of things because it is kind of hard to see these things with their heads shoved so far up their own asses.

I wonder when Kim Jong Mentally ILL will be meeting with Ted Turner and pirating the signal for all of the disciples of democracy that beg to stay in the workers paradise of beautiful North Korea.

Go ahead CNN, continue to march to irrelevance. Maybe you should hook up with MoveOn.org. I am certain some good, winning ideas would come out of the.

Long live the blogs and Fox News....

New article which Charles in mentioned in:

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

Within four hours, a blogger on freerepublic.com pointed out that they looked as though they had were created on Microsoft Word; the next morning, Scott Johnson of powerlineblog.com relayed the comment and asked for expert views. Charles Johnson of littlegreenfootballs.com showed that the documents exactly matched one he produced using default settings on Microsoft Word.

sorry folks, should have said OT

What is it with American LLLs and their unbounded admiration of Fidel Castro? Ted Turner admires him extravagantly while half of Hollywood and the music industry has made the pilgrimage to Havana to learn at the knee of el Jefe.

I think it is the cigars-- see, e.g. Billy Clinton and the Blue Dress

When Castro inspired Ted to make CNN available worldwide, does that include Cuba? Somehow, I'm guessing not. Or at least not without some...ummm....editing.

In a 1999 lecture at the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University, former CNN Chief News Executive Eason Jordan told the audience that CNN International was directly inspired by Fidel Castro

I believe it... look how they acted in Iraq, hiding the truth for their own profit. very Castroesque.

besides... its not called the Communist News Network for nothing.

If there's one thing I find annoying, it's being stuck in an airport where only CNN is on. Used to happen in Atlanta (may still) and Memphis, especially if there's real news to be reported. The spin makes me want to scream.

Captain Ed has been getting anonymous hate-mail from somebody who has been tracked down to be both a former reporter at CBS and ABC and a journalism school professor. linky

58 J.D>

Jay Nordlinger of National Review once proposed that airports designate a scetion of each terminal A "CNN Free Zone."

#16 hornet You're on to something here.

Castro (pbuh), Ted Turner (pbuh) and for that matter Teddy Kennedy (pbuh) or any dimocrats (pbuh) shall always have a (pbuh) suffix.

It fits perfectly.

After all they are (pbuh) symps.

It's no surprise that Ted Turner admires Fidel Castro as they have much in common. Both are megalomaniacs, they are self-made men (Castro took over a country while Turner founded a broadcast empire), both do not believe in sharing power, both believe that their views have universal application and should be spead world-wide, both detest their perceived "enemies" (FOX network, political dissidents) and do everything to smear/destroy them, both hate the United States and would see it humbled, both have bedded communists.

#33 And what of that strange, affectionate anecdote with Muammar el-Qadafi?

Kaddafi wanted Eason to report his support for Saddam's annexation of Kuwait-- which merely aped Kaddafi's actions in northern Chad. This in the months leading up to Scottish investigators fingering Kaddafi in June 1991 for the infamous Lockerbie bombing. Nice work, Eason.

CNN MORNING NEWS
January 12, 2000
Transcript # 00011204V09
HEADLINE: CNN 20: A Call from Gadhafi, January, 1991

HIGHLIGHT: CNN 20 looks back at a call from Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi in January, 1991, who wanted to speak on CNN to tell the world his plan to avert the Gulf War.

EASON JORDAN, PRESIDENT, NEWSGATHERING & INTERNATIONAL NETWORKS: A few days before the war broke out, we received a call on the international assignment desk, sort of the nerve center, in preparation for our coverage of the Gulf War. And the caller said that he was Moammar Gadhafi, and he wanted to speak on CNN to tell the world his plan to avert the Gulf War.

Well, one of my colleagues turned to me who took this call and he said, "I have a caller. He says he is Moammar Gadhafi."

And I said, "Well, is he speaking English?"

And my deputy said, "Yes, he is speaking perfect English."

And I said, "Well, we have interviewed Moammar Gadhafi many times and he always gives his interviews in Arabic, and so I doubt that he would be calling here in English."

So, I politely suggested that my colleague hang up on the caller. And he called back time and time again. "This is Moammar Gadhafi," and before he could even say his full name we were hanging up the phone. We started receiving calls from outraged Libyan diplomats who wanted to know how CNN could possibly hang up on their great leader, and so I still didn't believe it. I thought it was a prank.

So, I said, "Well, if that really is your great leader, Mr. Gadhafi, we would ask that you put up a satellite feed so we can see him." And so, an hour or so later, up popped Moammar Gadhafi from his tent in Tripoli, Libya. It was really him.

And I said to him, "Mr. Gadhafi, where did you learn to speak such good English?"

And he said, "Well, I watch CNN."

Well we can schput about Castro all we want but it's prudent to recognize he beat the Yale wet-behind-the-ears Kennedy boys silly. And handily. We should ponder why and make sure it does not happen again with more of our leaders.

Boy, it sure would be interesting to follow the Castro money trail here. Did Castro hold any interest in CNN or Turner Brodcasting? What did he own and when did he own it? I wonder what else Castro is invested in.

#49 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb), psst, Main Stream in MSM is not refering to American main stream...don't tell Stephens.

So I wonder how many know about Ted Turner and his connection to Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker when they were running their now defunct, PTL Club....

Turner had a 50/50 deal take on the profits, money made from poor gullible people who were told by Jim and Tammy that every dollar they gave to PTL and the Lord would come back two fold, and untold blessings... The only ones blessed were the Bakkers and Turner. Turner would drop by his studio for his take every week, where he'd pick up brown paper bags full of cash.... Praise The Lord....

#58 & #61

Recently, I was stuck in Atlanta airport for several hours between flights. It was all CCN, there was no escape, it was horrible. But it's not just Atlanta, CNN seems to be TV station of choice in nearly every airport.

However, there is hope:

[Link: shop.store.yahoo.com...]

#61 Joel

Jay Nordlinger of National Review once proposed that airports designate a scetion of each terminal A "CNN Free Zone."

Have I ever mentioned how fond I am of Jay Nordlinger? Smart guy.

OT:

Speaks for itself:

BEST WISHES AND PRAYERS [K. J. Lopez]
to Tony Snow, who announced today on his radio show that he has colon cancer.
Posted at 12:14 PM

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Sad that he doesn't even seem to perceive that publicly crediting the communist dictator with inspiration might even be slightest bit controversial. It really is unbelievable.

OT:

Money for jobs and education...blah, blah...

Got a question for the thread - is EJ goinf to run for high office as a dhimmicrat or is he a new verbal version of the splodydope?

I mean:

He doesn't have the brains G-d gave a sand gnat - check.
He doesn't know how to engage the brain he has before putting his mouth in gear - check.
He immediately tries to back-track on what he has already said when questioned on it - check.
He has been backed with large leftist funding as long as it was convenient - check.

And this list could go on and on...

#69 Paul
Wrap it up! I'll take it!
Heh.

Jeez, these guys don't need a "lynch mob." They hang themselves for chrissake.

#25 jlfintx

Thanks, good stuff.

CNN---------F@%K Off.

Charles

Ah..........CNN the Communist News Network.

72 William

Oh my God! Tony Snow is great. I wish he has a quick recovery.

#69 Bubble Girl

Turner would drop by his studio for his take every week, where he'd pick up brown paper bags full of cash....

No WAAAY!

Way?

Gets kinda confusing when you consider that a big reason for the breakup of his marriage with the Hanoi Honey is because she found Jesus.

Bad news about Tony Snow. I shall go find his email.

so Ted never knowingly met a communist ?

pure bullshit

he was fuc_ing MARRIED to one !

what a lying piece of ship (spelling corrected)

#70 Rayra, Bingo! I didn't say anything about BOP. Also the Kennedys suffer from the belief that the devious route is the better taken. Must have rubbed off from their old man. Still see it in Teddy.

The CNN-Castro relationship has always been puppy love. I had no idea a smoking gun like this was out there. To rcl, if that is your real name, great find.

@49 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

So what the WSJ is alluding to is, we're not supposed quote what journalists publish unless we've been given permission to do so.
That way when a jounalist says something untrue, outrageous and seditious, we're supposed to keep our mouths shut and allow the lies to perpetuate.

/MacCarthyism

crossposted from easongate.com

the 800 lb gorilla no one is talking about yet....yet...well almost

[Link: slate.com...]

snip------------

Sunday, February 13, 2005

First, kill all the telling details! WaPo and CNN's Howard Kurtz emails to explain why he revised his Saturday Eason Jordan piece to cut out the juiciest, most suggestive detail of the "gossip about Jordan's personal life." (See before and after.)

For the Record

I compressed that paragraph about Eason Jordan's social life, without a word o advice from anyone, for one reason. I was trying to squeeze in several interviews I had done after the first edition into my story for later editions, and given dead-tree space limitations, was literally going line by line to save room. The first-edition story was published, but I thought it important to include more voices from the blogosphere for later editions.

a) He didn't bury the lede. He removed the lede entirely due to "space limitations"! b) I take Kurtz at his word. But nobody can speak for their subconscious (otherwise it wouldn't be subconscious). That's why there are normally prophylactic rules against massive conflicts of interest. Maybe kausfiles could launch a lucrative spinoff, kurtzfiles, devoted entirely to WaPo's media critic explaining to his readers the non-corrupt reasoning behind his seemingly pro-CNN reporting decisions. [You're already there--ed Soft launch! Next issue, "A Salute to Jonathan Klein!" Tribute ads accepted.]

c) You don't have to get actual 'words of advice' from someone to be influenced by them--to worry about how they will react. d) We don't kill widows around here: "Going line by line to save room." I used to do that! As Kurtz notes, it's a print thing. You don't have to do it in cyberspace. There's plenty of room. Which raises an issue: If Kurtz is cutting highly relevant information in order to squeeze his piece into the printed, hand-delivered version of the Post, why not at least publish the complete version on the Web? Doesn't the failure to take advantage of the Web's extra space put dead tree papers in the normally-futile position of actually suppressing a superior competitor (the full Web versions of what reporters produce)?

Update: I disagree with Instapundit, who decorously argues:

targeting parts of people's lives that don't have to do with the story -- like, say, Eason Jordan's love life -- seems inappropriate to me, and likely to lend support to the bloggers-as-lynch-mob caricature.

The problem is a) Eason Jordan's love life did have to do with the story. According to even the self-bowdlerized Kurtz it's why he lost his job--i.e. why he wasn't allowed to apologize profusely for his Davos remarks and carry on, which as Instapundit notes is otherwise a mystery; b) Jordan got into trouble, according to David Gergen, because he was "deeply distraught" over the deaths of journalists in Iraq. Why would his emotions get the better of his rationality? Mightn't it help answer the question if he's been involved with the widow of a journalist who's been killed covering the Middle East? ... I defend gossiping about people's love lives even when it's not obviously relevant to a particular story. That's a tougher case to make--Instapundit's right about the human cost of losing a private "backstage." But it's not this case. ... 12:26 P.M.

OT

Wanna weep for the future of the nation?

I believe Churchill was facing those harsh and dreadful realities, and I believe that essay was his attempt on that day to take love out of the realm of dreams and make it real in the world, in action.

In that action, Churchill is angry. He is harsh. And in the central themes of the 9/11 essay and his life's work, Ward Churchill is right.

Whole thing here.

HAMAS ADMIT BBC REPORTER IS ONE OF THEIRS
[Link: www.take-a-pen.org...]

Of course, not only do they have dynamite free medical care there, but great independent cable news

#87 jwpaine
Sounds like white guilt. Is Robert Jensen white?

#24 Terp Mole

That's hilarious, but technically true. By not throwing any punches at dictators, CNN need not pull them. CNN's Teheran bureau is a waste of space, money, and oxygen also.

I wonder what could have attracted Fidel Castro so strongly to CNN?

Easy. The great sports coverage...

#50 SarahD

hey, sent an e-mail but forgot the Bubble girl... Maybe

/Amalie

90 J.D.

He's white (not that there's anything wrong with that). He is also a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin and has been published by City Lights Books, which also publishes some of Churchill's work.

From the city lights website:

Welcome to City Lights! Co-founded by poet/painter Lawrence Ferlinghetti, City Lights is a landmark independent bookstore and publisher that specializes in world literature, the arts, and progressive politics

This is slightly off topic.

Media heavies don't want to rat on their own. This is widely known. But now this standard is crumbling.

Nothing personal to many fellow lizartoids, but I wonder when the time will come for the lawyers. We never see full page spreads in the yellow pages or a billboard on the highway stating: DID YOU GET A BAD DEAL FROM YOUR LAWYER? CALL ... WE'LL RECOVER THE MONEY YOU LOST AND THEN SOME FROM INCOMPETENT LEGAL ADVISE. WE ONLY GET PAID WHEN YOU WIN.

How can we break into that last bastion of collusion. How can we hold accountable this one last group of people who 'take care of their own'?

the Liberals.. never met a tyranical murderer they didn't like...

I am amazed over and over again how the Liberals.. how the UN.. suck up to murderers.. over and over again.. these monsters can do anything to humans... from rape, torture, starvation to murder.. and there will be someone from the left or from the UN sucking up to them...

see ya
cathy : )

JWPaine

Ugh, Jensen, that UT POS.... Damn, I'm from UT, and he is representative of a majority of the LLL's. The "harsh reality". That boy obviously hasn't had one tiny bit of harsh reality in his itty-bitty book worm life. Makes me mad, makes me want to dump his butt in the middle of Mexico City with no ID, and no money... See how fast he misses the "harsh realities" of the US....

These people have no "real life" experience. Maybe it's time they did....

#85 quark2

It's their loftily arrogant tone that floored me. I really expected better from the WSJ, though they are establishment, too.

e.g.:

[CNN] has other obligations, too, chief among them to show the good judgment and sense of proportion that distinguishes professional journalism from the enthusiasms and vendettas of amateurs.

No doubt this point of view will get us described as part of the "mainstream media." But we'll take that as a compliment since we've long believed that these columns do in fact represent the American mainstream. We hope readers buy our newspaper because WE make GROWN-UP decisions about what is newsworthy, and what isn't.

[emphasis mine, words theirs!]

former CNN Chief News Executive Eason Jordan

"Former". I like the sound of that.

#95, Plato. It is possible that a lawyer may properly represent you if his love of money is less than his fear of you.

#87 jwpaine

Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin

I remember this name in a similar context of complete moonbattery.

Kids, if you must go to college, get a science degree. You can still become a journalist. Remember this, "Longhorns Throw Cowboys" or "Longhorns Prod Buffalos". Now you can write headlines, the only skill unique to journalism.

Ouch. Correction. ADVICE

#41 FreeKeys  2/14/2005 10:36AM PST

"...there's NO fundamental philosophical difference between a COMMUNIST and any OTHER kind of COLLECTIVIST"

Including Liberals and Islamists -- key being fundamental difference... good link. Enjoyed your site, lots of good stuff there.

Gymnast

Is that what the MD's think?

Did Eason write Castro any checks for access, or did he just bring in baskets full of cash?

in answer to charles (rhetorical) question at the end up top, my guess would be perhaps b/c every friggin' time i turn on cnn there's a story about "are america's (ports, hazardous material shippers, shopping malls, schools, highways, small airports, border crossings, nuclear power plants, gas pipeline, dams, electrical grids) safe enough to withstand a terrorist attack?" i imagine cnn's right up there w/ al-jazeera in certain quarters of the (r.o.p.) middle east.

channeling the shah

#87 jwpaine

I didn't bother to read more than 3 grafs of Jenson's diatribe. Saw at the bottom that this particular son and heir of a mongrel bitch is a professor at a Texas J-school.

They remind me of Ernst Roehm's Brownshirts. Screaming hatred, spittle flying from their lips, positive they'll force all of us scum to behave.

Pure (and loathesome) example of the totalitarian mindset.

One good thing about this Chutch business--it's turned the light on in the kitchen after midnight, and we can see the roaches run.

Actually, most newspapers prefer reporters with degrees other than journalism. I read somewhere a couple of decades ago, that the "Lou Grant Show" was partially responsible for there being enough 1979 J-school graduates to completely replace every working journalist in the country.

#94 jwpaine
Figures he's white.

OT
Foreign females wear the hijab now, too

OT- but this one is a doozy from Ratherbiased.com.

Dan Rather- Memogate Is Payback From My Reporting On Civil Rights

Hey Danny..
Q: What's the difference between Liberals and puppies?
A: Puppies stop whining when they grow up.

The left will never give up its fetish for Fidel, just as the left can never stop beating the dead horse known as Watergate. Now, we have word that Deep Throat is on his deathbed and that Bob Woodward will soon reveal his identity, setting off the inevitable MSM Watergate feeding frenzy.

OT.... Where at in Utah, Bubble Girl? I lived in Heber City for thre years (went to high school there).

Who else has read the transcript of Jordan's 3-10-99 speech? I'd be interested in comments. ( I never realized Ghadaffi polished his English speaking skills by watching CNN! Thanks for that piece of info, Jordan. ) I wonder what Jordan's going to do now that the earth is no longer revolving round him?

After reading that speech I don't know whether to laugh or vomit.

I can't wait for Fidels funeral (all dressed up and no place to go). The outpouring of grief from Western pols, journalists and academics will be deafening. I predict articles and videos on the controversial "strongman" who gave the Cubans free healthcare, free education, blah blah blah...

OT again

New Delhi, India, Feb. 13 (UPI) -- U.S. intelligence officials have said Pakistan will be a failed state by 2015, the Times of India reported Sunday. .....

An assessment report compiled by the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies forecasts a "Yugoslavia-like fate" for Pakistan, thanks to civil war, Talibanization and a struggle for control of nuclear weapons. .....

Report paints gloomy future for Pakistan

#104, Plato. Excellent question. My guess is that trial lawyers might be more likely to die during treatment than a similar population representing a different occupation. On the other hand, attorneys may be more likely to die of illness because of lack of treatment as a result of self selection after considering the probabilities of survival if treated.

I have thought of a better moniker for the LLL's, moonbats, DNC and all of the rest of the warped minds. We should just call them "aap's" (anti-american protesters)!

#114 Peacekeeper

We will know it is time for Fidel to leave us once he enters a French hospital and they have no clue as to what ails him.

#114 Peacekeeper, I saw recently an article saying Castro's doctors claim he has the health of a man who could live to be 120.

OT Yuck!

via Michelle Malkin Google is a major Dem supporter. Any other good search engines to use?

I have nothing but contempt for Eason Jordan (piss be upon him)

#119 Roger

thank G-d 120 is the max He promised us. I think he's been dead for years already and this Fidel is merely a reasonable facsimile, like the beatlemania ads used to say LOLOLOLOL ;-)

Easy-on-the-eyes Michelle Malkin had a good piece in the NYPost Opinion page on the Eason-gate ad hominem "backlash" (read: bedwetting crybaby lamentations) against Pajamahadin bloggers.

The resignation of CNN executive Eason Jordan last Friday night caused near-fainting spells in the journalism world. And now the backlash against the blogosphere — the legions of Internet citizen journalists who pressured Jordan to come clean about controversial remarks he made at a World Economic Forum panel in Davos, Switzerland on Jan. 27 — has begun.

Take Bertrand Pecquerie, director of the World Editors Forum, the organization for editors within the World Association of Newspapers, please. Mourning Jordan's decision to step down, Pecquerie likened bloggers to the "sons of Senator McCarthy" and "scalps' hunters."

Steve Lovelady, managing editor of the Columbia Journalism Review Daily Web site, blasted Jordan's Internet critics in an e-mail to New York University professor Jay Rosen's blog PressThink (available at journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink): "The salivating morons who make up the lynch mob prevail."

Also on Rosen's site, reader William Boykin fumed: "Jordan has just been tire-necklaced by a bloodthirsty group of utopian, bible-thumping knuckledraggers that believe themselves to be bloggers but are really just a street gang." And these unhinged heavy-breathers accuse bloggers of being a lynch mob?

The ad hominem hysterics of Jordan's defenders stand in stark contract to the way the vast majority of bloggers approached the search for truth in this matter. Veteran journalist and blogger Jeff Jarvis (buzzmachine.com) got it right when he said on CNN's Reliable Sources on Sunday: "We didn't want his head — most of us didn't. We wanted the truth." We're still waiting.

#116 Gymnast

: -)

Castro is the tenured ruler of Cuba.

@98

That justifies why I've always put WSJ in the same pot with the rest of the yellow journalism. And why I have refused to subscribe
to their publication. There are no decent dead tree publications.
Some are of the level of being used to soak up puppy urine or in the bottom of a bird cage.

#119 Roger

His doctors may think that prognosis is the most auspicious for them as well as their patient. LOL

Charles, you nimrod. You ARE really engaging in McCarthyism with this stupid post. If Benito Mussolini had expressed an interest in Fox News, would that make Fox News a fascist mouthpiece?

#39 Joel

CNN started circa 1980, Jane and Ted divorced in 2001 after 9 years of marriage, so Ted might not have known Hanoi Jane -- who he would later divorce in part because she became a Christian -- until years after this visit to Cuba 'during the early years of CNN.'

CNN International is a good thing; it exposes many people to a different viewpoint than the one they might see on their national channels, much like Fox News did for us domestically.

During the redistricting debates in the aftermath of the 1990 Census, I worked and lived in separate congressional districts. The Democrat in one district and the Republican in the other wanted to swap some territory to make their seats safer. While the two newspapers I read - one at home, one at work - were both liberal-leaning, it was enlightening to see the same story, same facts, reported from different perspectives.

I never realized Ghadaffi polished his English speaking skills by watching CNN!

Good thing it wasn't MTV or comedy central.

"Oh my God, you killed Husey and Kuedey, you bastard!"

Resignation at CNN Shows the Growing Influence of Blogs

Steve Lovelady, a former editor at The Philadelphia Inquirer and The Wall Street Journal and now managing editor of CJR Daily, the Web site of The Columbia Journalism Review, has been among the most outspoken.

"The salivating morons who make up the lynch mob prevail," he lamented online after Mr. Jordan's resignation. He said that Mr. Jordan cared deeply about the reporters he had sent into battle and was "haunted by the fact that not all of them came back."

Some on line were simply trying to make sense of what happened. "Have we entered an era where our lives can be destroyed by a pack of wolves hacking at their keyboards with no oversight, no editors, and no accountability?" asked a blogger named Mark Coffey, 36, who says he works as an analyst in Austin, Tex. "Or does it mean that we've entered a brave new world where the MSM has become irrelevant," he asked, using blogger shorthand for mainstream media.

I have no idea why the MSM is becoming irrelevant.

In other news -

Happy Valentines Day :-)

#131 Gordon
Only if Rupert Murdoch or a member of the FOX senior management publicly thanked him for it in a speech.

It appears from the ridiculous comments about CNN so far on this thread that the LGF irregulars are afraid of the free dissemination of world views on TV.

I guess it WAS easier back in the good ol' days when a typical Red State American could turn on his TV to watch Hee Haw and be blissfully ignorant of the rest of the world.

#93 Bubble Girl

Got it...thank you!

#131 Gordon

blah....blah...blah.....blah......blah......

If Fox was on their knees giving Benito a virtual blowjob, then yeah, I would say that it makes Fox a fascist mouthpiece.

I have to say that the only person in the MSM I have read that has done a credible - if less than perfect - job of covering this is Howard Kurtz. Space/time constraints both may have hindered the depth of reporting he could have done, but he was fair with what he had to work with. Even when he covered the Jeff Gannon case, he was fair. He said he thought the story was that the left-wing bloggers had gone after him not on substance but on a personal level. Not as thorough a job as I'd like to see, all things considered, but a damn sight better than anyone else has done.

This particular battle is early in the war for accountability from the MSM. I saw Jarvis' open invite to Bill Keller (NYT), which is fine, but where the hell is Okrent? He NEVER addressed the Sarah Boxer dust-up that I saw (Arts pages and all that - besides, she's not Frank Rich).

This isn't over by a long shot. And what on earth was the editorial judgement at the NYT that placed this story on the Business section? Front page, yeah, but the resignation of the head honcho of the News Divsion of CNN for remarks he may have made about the US Military murdering journalists is A-section frontpage news.

The MSM is running scared. Bloggers are beholden to no one. They don't party over at Sally & Ben's.

There will be more of this. And I can't wait.

Hahaha funny quote from the interview

Question: What about the Tailwind incident?

Eason: First of all, one reason that Tailwind was so difficult for us was for 18 years our biggest fear was we would have some gigantic journalistic screwup that would hurt our credibility ,and we're nothing but news.

#131 Gordon -

If Benito Mussolini had expressed an interest in Fox News, would that make Fox News a fascist mouthpiece?

To my knowledge, Rupert Murdoch hasn't thanked any fascist dictators. Do you know something I don't?

#49 Lady of Shalot

No, I don' feel spanked, just irritated. The WSJ got it wrong. And this time, I really disagree, vehemently, with them.

But, quark2, I really don't think they're in the same category as the NYT or some of the others, do you?

Gordon forgot his Haldol.

136 Gordon

I guess it WAS easier back in the good ol' days when a typical Red State American could turn on his TV to watch Hee Haw and be blissfully ignorant of the rest of the world.

That's the type of arrogance that is getting your sides ass kicked in elections after elections.

#136 Gordon

And can you tell us which media outlets broadcast Eason Jordan's remarks?

We aren't killing the messenger. We are the messenger of reports you would rather not hear. So who do you think is trying to stifle information around here?

Hi grayp! I haven't seen you in a while. Welcome back. Your article is on point with the nodroG's childish tantrum.

120 years !

Could Castro become the Strom Thurmond of Communism? Trundling about in a little electric wheelchair with a blinking light - once for yes, twice for no. He deserves it.

#136 Gordon

So it's ok to freely disseminate world viewes on tv, but not on this blog?

#136 Gordon, what is Hee Haw?

My #147

Article = post in the New Vocabulary. Hi again, grayp. Real life requires some input. Bummer, I was hoping to see nodroG go full Tourettes.

El Gordo!

I guess it WAS easier back in the good ol' days when a typical Red State American could turn on his TV to watch Hee Haw

I watched the Blue Collar Tour on Comedy Central last night.
When I read your posts, I think of Larry the Cable Guy's one-liner:

"now, I don't care WHO ya are, dat dare is funny".

Thanks, Gordo

May I remind everyone that our old friend Robert Fisk of the Independent was disseminating his trash on CNN earlier today in connection with the Beirut bombing.

Why Fisk? Well, he just happened to be in Beirut this morning, but seriously, couldn't CNN have found someone else to give them some commentary?

I guess not. And that says it all really.

Charles, you nimrod. You ARE really engaging in McCarthyism with this stupid post. If Benito Mussolini had expressed an interest in Fox News, would that make Fox News a fascist mouthpiece?

Ig Gordon goes the way of Voice of Iceland and HWSNBN, will "Home of the NodroG" remain in the rotating titles?

Actually, back in the day, wasn't Hee Haw a network production, just like the news?

Whack away, Super freak.

If Benito Mussolini had expressed an interest in Fox News, would that make Fox News a fascist mouthpiece?

Would Mussolini's rotting zombie corpse have any significant speech impediments?

Never let space-time temporal distortions get in the way of asserting meaningless LLL delusions.

If you have not read that whole link than your missing everything. Where is the LGF shrink to analyze CNN please? Good grief after reading that whole article now I know why we have world problems. As they always say, look at home first.

#109 J.D.

Thanks for the link. Now compare that story to this one and ponder what the common demoninator is between the wearing of the hijab in a New England suburb and in Iraq.

Hi Beagle - been very, very busy - in a good way.

Except for one aspect - I trained the Saudis next door to run inside when they saw Molly comin'.

They figured it out.

Now the run when they see me. One less opportunity for great entertainment value. Dang.

Good to be back. And back I am.

bigel?

#49 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Well, it is the Opinion Journal and so we must expect the occasional idiocy to emanate from the WSJ via that route.

Anyway, it misses the point and there really is only one point to the whole Eason saga, RELEASE THE TAPE.

One of the most non-descript individuals who ever drew a breath used to have the entire neighborhood over to his basement to show movies (you see, he was a projectionist). "The Sands of Iwo Jima", "The Gene Krupa Story" and similar flicks were shown regularly.

He wasn't into little kids, or porn shit, or any other dumbshit stuff. He was into projecting movies for entertainment (and God he dug it, as did we).

Many people would have found him odd, at best. Not the younguns, however. He was a hero to all of us in the neighborhood (and the entertainment was free). Imagine dat.

It's hard to imagine that an Eason Jordan type could have such an impact on an old commie like fallin-down Fidel. After all, we had an excuse. We were kids. I'm glad Fidel also has a hero.
Talk about reversing roles...

"Charles, you nimrod. You ARE really engaging in McCarthyism with this stupid post."

I've never understood why that POS is tolerated here. Sure, its fun kicking trolls around, but that particular variety lost its freshness a LONG time ago.

#131 Gordon wrote; If Benito Mussolini had expressed an interest in Fox News, would that make Fox News a fascist mouthpiece?

If she's not too busy channeling Eleanor Roosevelt, maybe Hillary can ask Mussolini?

#163 song_and_dance_man

They forgot the obligatory "" when they used the word "journalist".

I have to get back to work. Bye for now, everybody.

I've never understood why that POS is tolerated here. Sure, its fun kicking trolls around, but that particular variety lost its freshness a LONG time ago.

I've never understood why so many here take the bait. Whacking the attention whore around ceased to be amusing a long time ago.

G-A-Z-E

Lord, grant me the serendipity to take the trolls into Castro's dungeons, and leave them there,
the courage to set them free ten years after,
and the wisdom not to let them there.

I wonder what could have attracted Fidel Castro so strongly to CNN?

Maybe you could help answer the question with, "I wonder what could have attracted Fidel Castro so strongly to Hollywood?", as well.
Fidel, before he was a dictator, was an actor, with bit parts in some Xavier Cugat movies. He knew then, that Hollywood had worldwide influences.
To this day, he continues to seduce senior Hollywood types. Look at this quote from Jack Nicholson: "Castro is a genius...".
Steven Spielberg said, "Dinner with Castro was the 8 most important hours of my life."
And Chevy Chase declared, "Socialism works. Cuba might prove that."
There are too many to quote here from Robert Redford to Ed Asner, to Oliver Stone, etc.--- but you get the point.
Pointing out the truth is what Goons on the left can't stand.

But wait - there's more....

Working with Ted Turner is exceptionally challenging and it is exceptionally fun. We all should be so lucky to work with a leader who cares so much about the world. Ted Turner's view is there is no white race. There is no black race. There is no race of any color. His view is there is only one race; the human race.

He feels so strongly about there being just one world and one race he has banned one word at CNN -- the F word: foreign. While Ted Turner and CNN recognize nations, Ted's view is the only true foreigners are people from other planets, at least until Ted Turner meets those people. So Ted Turner does not want the word "foreign" mentioned on CNN and has called on me to enforce a ban by fining guilty CNN staffers $100 per violation.

Early on with this rule we ran into problems. One morning Ted called me. He was in a rage. CNN was in the midst of a live interview with the Russian foreign minister. (This is all true.) Ted was screaming. "Eason, I told you never to allow that word on CNN." I said, "Ted, his title is foreign minister." Ted just couldn't accept that. He was outraged. He huffed and he puffed, and then he yelled. "Damn it. You tell him to change his title." The Russian foreign minister refused to do so.

#163 song_and_dance_man

the station also has plans to launch an English-language channel

Good. I hope my cable company carries it. Then I can fisk it to kingdom-come.

Gordon

Fox News has more liberal contributors and commentators then CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, PBS, NPR, NBC, CBS, ABC, the Washington Post, LA Times, and New York Times has conservatives combined.

170 Braindirt

Steven Spielberg said, "Dinner with Castro was the 8 most important hours of my life."

Spielberg has denied ever saying that.

TESTING....

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Thanks, Charles! ! !

#171 hepcat

Working with Ted Turner is exceptionally challenging and it is exceptionally fun. We all should be so lucky to work with a leader who cares so much about the world.

Unless they happen to be Christian, of course......

gordon,
you back, we have had a couple of trolls that made you look good. a couple of real loons.
i agree with you,
cnn should continue to cover all wars,
in the first gulf war, pres. bush sr. fed cnn a line of crap, and they ate it up. told sodom hussiean what we were going to do, and he did just the opposite. helped us win the first gulf war.

cnn helped us defeat the terrorists after 9/11, and now in iraq.

they should be awarded some kind of medal, like the medal of disinformation, or medal of news legion of no merit.
and give it to eason jordan for disturbition.

Besides being a massive loon with an obscene amount of money (just like Goerge Soros), Ted Turner is a serial anti-Semite.

pmif
distribution.

I really think that you're reading too deep into this, Charles. Even communists can have good ideas, and having CNN go international certainly was a good idea.

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Frank, please don't do that in public-get a motel.

#182 gavindow

Even communists can have good ideas,

Well, yes, they CAN.

Name one.

Um, Frank, I'm beginning to really worry about you.......but I do hope you've planned a lovely Valentine's dinner for you and your y

#174 Joel

Spielberg has denied ever saying that.

OK, OK--- I wasn't aware of the retraction by his spokesman. My mistake. But did he deny it directly?
And what was he having a lavish 8 hour dinner with the ruthless dictator for in the first place?

#178 ibmkeyboard

I tend to agree, at least this troll hasn't threatened anyone here, or so I think.

This may have already been asked, but

Isn't TED a COMMUNIST?

#185 grayp, I figured all I had to do is scroll on down and discover my next comment already written:-) Thanks!

And the prospect of being sold to the highest bidder has many deeply worried.
good,
we buy cnn, turn it into cooking, with mary mapes, her best menu,
jordan meat balls, dan rathers sour kurate.

I'm confused. Was it the Saudis or the Syrians who blew up the ex-PM of Lebanon?

Silly me, it was the Jews.

Iran, which along with Syria backs Hezbollah, a militant group designated a terrorist organization by the United States that operates out of Lebanon, also condemned the attack.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi called it a "savage act" and accused Israel.

"A well-organized terrorist organization such as the Zionist regime has the capability of such an operation," he said. "The aim or the objective of this terrorist act was to damage the unity of Lebanon."

CNN has lost the quote from a Syrian spokesman who also blamed Israel

187 braindirt

Believe me I am no great fan of Spielberg (who as a Jew has been awfully silent, along with his pal Richard Dreyfuss, during the reign of terror that the Palis inflicted on Israel). However maybe he realized that it was sa stupid thing to say.

#192 Ed,

Finally, its all making sense now.

{Polly Prissy Britches }

Re: My 192

Iran, which along with Syria backs Hezbollah, a militant group designated a terrorist organization by the United States that operates out of Lebanon, also condemned the attack.

So, CNN says Hezb'Allah is a militant organization, and ads that the US considers them terrorists, as if they don't.

What a terrible thing to say eeevil. Ted is a man of the people.

frank did you spew on your keyboard?
y locked up.

salvage cost me 75 dollars,
had to get coke out of my keyboard.

Btw, sorry for being repetetive, but Robert Fisk had a close escape in Beirut today and immediately went on CNN to tell everyone about it.

However, I am still waiting for him to say: "If I were them, I'd have bombed me too."

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

187 braindirt, 193 Joel
Spielberg's spokesman apparently think Castro's people made that statement up. Along with failing to criticize Castro upon his return, Spielberg also said that he felt at home in Cuba and hoped to go back many times. Guess he isn't such a fan of history after all, or perhaps he didn't hear the cries for help as he drove through Cuba not seeing what was most assuredly right in front of his face. Of course, he's no Oliver Stone, who said we should look to Castro as one of the Earth's wisest people......

OT: But very worthy of LGF

The End of the Beginning
A roundup of the past two weeks' good news from Iraq.

BY ARTHUR CHRENKOFF
Monday, February 14, 2005 12:01 a.m. ES

While in Iraq: The End of the Beginning

A lengthy read but very very encouraging

sorry charles,
coke cola,
i forgot this is a family show.

195
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@136

Oh look! Our classy trashed troll, Nodrog is back.
It's soooooo good to have you back dearie! :)
We've missed you soooooooooooooo much!
Good ol' Nodrog........((((((((((((((((((Nodrogs))))))))))) )))))))
What in the world would we do without your wisdom Nodrog?
Always putting us heehawers to rights! Telling us we should
NEVER quote or question the likes of royalty, Eason the King.
Aren't we all just overwhelmed like Twains Innocents with emotions and feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellings?

/sgat deen yllaer I oD

#196 Ed,

The US just keeps getting these things wrong.

Just like the time when tens of thousands of Sudanse got butchered and the US had the audacity to called this "genocide"

Luckily, all the enlightened people of the world knew that this wasn't genocide, merely something to be concerned about.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Big, tragic mosque fire in Iran. Now word yet on whether it was Joos or crusaders what started it.

"The official Islamic Republic News Agency said a long sheet of cloth segregating men from women caught fire and then quickly spread throughout the mosque. "

Do you think the men let the womencattle out first?

197 Peacekeeper

LOL!

Yeah-- man of the people who need to be under HIS TWISTED IDEOLOGY!

LOL!

BTW-- way OT

My son went to his first "formal dance" on Saturday night!

I got pics of them on my blog--- THEY ARE SO GORGEOUSS!

Sorry to brag-- I am a PROUD MOMMA!

#192 ed,

that is unbelievable, they never give up.

the freaking joooooooooos

EEEVIL

You gotta link that blog. Also my dear, you aren't old enough to have a kid in daycare, let alone High School.

Note to Lizards: Eeevil's a Babe!

#206 Peacekeeper

"The official Islamic Republic News Agency said a long sheet of cloth segregating men from women caught fire and then quickly spread throughout the mosque."

Hmmm, so the cloth segregating men from women caught fire...

I wonder how the ROPers will explain this particular intervention by Allah.

#206 Peacekeeper

I also think that Ed in #192 gives a pretty good indication of who's to blame.

#206 Peace Keeper
Our drones will get blamed for it.

Eevil's Babe blog:

[Link: straightupwsherri.blogspot.com...]

#186 PPP - great nome de screen

#213 Peacekeeper, Thanks. Also her nic linked it:-)

hm, I have no idea why the US would consider Hezb'Allah a terrorist organization.

Confined area fires are horrific. I should not make jokes. God help those poor fools.

eeevil,

indeed, you are way too young "to have a kid in daycare, let alone High School."

I've talked to a lot of Europeans who consider CNN to be a "right wing" station. Just goes to show that left/right labels mean almost nothing these days.

#216 Ed,

That reminds me, there's this super moonbat "journalist" who works from DC and writes for the South China Morning Post - which is Asia's version of the NYT - anyway, this guy, Steven Knipp, wrote a piece saying that Arlington was bursting at the seams due to fatalities from Iraq.

I'll try and find the link.

OT

How many of you are the famous southern rubes that Howard Dean is going to be courting? He's telling us up here in Vermont that he's going to the red states to tallk you into voting D.
Oh, and do you have a pick up with a rebel flag?

#219 SJKevin

One of the provinces in Holland banned CNN because it was too far to the right.

192 Ed- like they say, you've got to ask, "who benefits?" So it must have been the Jews, or the CIA. Or both.

Good stuff from Evariste's post at Winds of Change

Hezbollah has threatened to assassinate Abbas for making too-genuine peacemaking noises at Israel. Both Israeli and Palestinian sources say that Iranian and Syrian backed Hezbollah is trying to recruit suicide bombers to derail the Israeli-Palestinian ceasefire. Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades: We must give Abu Mazen's political and domestic steps a chance. Anyone who attempts to foil them will be treated as someone who wants to preserve a state of anarchy.

What a strange day- Al Aqsa looks like the proverbial moderate muslim!

#221 Peacekeeper
Here I am. Bring in on Deanie-Weenie!

Peacekeeper
hm

LOL!

WOW! Thank you

I am WAY BLUSHING NOW!

Evariste is on Winds of Change? When and how did that come about? Is Gary Farber still there?

Ted Turner isn't alone in his admiration of Castro. There's plenty of Hollywooders in love with El Commandante, but is it a requited love?

[Link: www.findarticles.com...]

@221 Peacekeeper

Me! Me! I'll steal borrow my neighbours faded and torn ( oh the passion!) confederate flag!

I'll also bring along an air bag, to catch me when I fall down laffing my @$$ off. :)

224 redstateredneck

No, seriously, he thinks he's going to convert you. The Democrat party continues to circle the drain...

227 Paul

SO TRUE!

Way too many!

Peacekeeper

The Democrat party continues to circle the drain...

LOL!

I nominate that as a rotating quote!

EXCELLENT!

Quark 2

how do you manage that line through the word thing? It's great.

If Howard Dean is really serious about converting the red staters, I dare him to show up here this weekend.

#223 Jim in Virginia

You're evidently on to something.
Just heard some clown on BBC proclaim that, if it turns out that Syria was behind the Beirut bombing today, the US and Israel might use that as a pretense to act militarily against Syria.

And now I must go home, clean the barn and other glamorous tasks. Take care all.

@232 Peacekeeper

Start with this tag < and then type the word "strike" closing with this tag >.
Insert your word/s and close it with < / strike and then >

Just insert what ever you want to have a line through between the two tags. :)

You <strike>words</strike> it

Another reason to dislike Castro.

234 hm- the LLL is SO predictable. Does it give the Lebanese an excuse to act against Syria? (Not that they have much ability to do so..)
Per Debka it sounds like all hell is about to break lose in Lebanon. Even Chirac (spit) is condemning Syria.

@237

You got it. :)

You know, being a Cuban, I was always amazed to see CNN broadcasts on the state controlled media. I never trusted the little buggers because if Castro allowed their reports to be broadcast by his minions, they had litle is any cradibility, if not communist leaning. It's been a while, but I am gladd to see my belief vindicated :-)

By the way, I have been a regular reader for about a year, love reading the comments you guys come up with :-)

MD

Re: #25 - Great article!..."Righteous Gentile"? That should be a rotating title. Thanks for your good and important work, Charles.

There is a reason Castro was never deposed. He is running much of this country. JFK tried to get rid of him. But he found out the hard way.

eeevil - I had visited your site before, didn't know that was you. You are a babe

woof woof woof says the dog

So Ted Turner, who at that point had never traveled to a Communist country or knowingly met a Communist

I love all the comments on this one referring to his communist wife Jane. I also love the fact that she will never, ever be forgotten or forgiven for what she did. At least not while even one of us Vietnam Vets are still alive, or our families or our friends, etc.
May you always remember and live in shame Jane, because WE will never forget!

This explains CNN love affair with Chavez, Fidel's protégé!

mdaia313,

Nunca es demasiado tarde. Me alegro por ti y, por favor, continua leyendo y participando.

#221 Peacekeeper,

Heh.

Actually, I have a Jolly Rodger on the wall in my garage. Legacy of a misspent youth :-P

(Now that fucking prick everiste will claim I claimed to be a pirate, because I talk about a flag I had in my dorm room. Bastard) (Yeah, my grudges come with handles. Makes it easier to carry them longer :-)

Howard the dick duck stands about as much chance winning over Southerners as the Hildabeast does. I know people, Union guys for the most part, who have never voted Republican, but who wouldn't pull the lever for Jf'nK. They chose not to vote, or voted, however reluctantly, for Bush.

The only shot at the South that the Donks have is Phil Bredesen. Number one, I don't think he wants the job.

Number two, he wouldn't hold the moonbat base of the Demoncrapic Party. The way he won Tennessee was that he ran to the Right of Van Hilleary on everything but abortion, and both candidates pretty much treated that issue the same way we LGF'ers do.

OT

Watching something on Nat'l Geographic Channel, and I was trying to figure out what a captain of a Canadian Coast Guard ice breaker sounds like, and I realize, hey, them Canadians almost sound Scottish.

Just wondering if the not quite American accent of the Canadians is due to a Scottish influence.

Well, this doesn't surprise anyone in the Cuban-American community in Miami. We've been calling them the "Castro News Network" for a long, long time. But then, we're just a bunch a reactionary, knee-jerk conservatives with no brains...

(Now that fucking prick everiste will claim I claimed to be a pirate, because I talk about a flag I had in my dorm room. Bastard) (Yeah, my grudges come with handles. Makes it easier to carry them longer :-)

Iron Fist, may I suggest that you let this go already. It's now embarrassing. If you have a beef with evariste, tell him about it, but please don't call him a prick or a bastard on LGF where he is loved and respected. This is getting ridiculous.

#253 zulubaby,

Y'all stand down, I'll stand down, but I'm unamused.

And I actually trusted you. Silly me.

All I asked was to be allowed to stand neutral. And that you respect my friends. Little things.

The kind of things I'd grant a stranger met by chance on the street.

The kind of thing that you and ev, who pretended to be my friends, should have granted me before I even asked.

It's done, it's over.

Leave it.

And I will leave it as well.

Truce.

#245 Gringo

I love all the comments on this one referring to his communist wife Jane.

I just saw Barbarella for the first time. I was a kid when the Vietnam War ended. Barbarella was released in 1968. Those were, um, different times. People actually paid money to see that?

Jane Fonda could have done such good things for troop morale back then, as in schwing. Instead she sided with genocidal Communists, a real tragedy.

Iron Fist,

And I actually trusted you. Silly me.

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The kind of thing that you and ev, who pretended to be my friends, should have granted me before I even asked.

What exactly did I do to offend you? If you have a beef about something, then address it like an adult.

And that you respect my friends. Little things.

I don't even know what you're talking about or who this friend is that I'm supposed to respect. Having said that, evariste is my friend so are you disrespecting me by talking shit about him here?

By the way, I decide who earns my respect, nobody else.

#252 universalspectator

Well, this doesn't surprise anyone in the Cuban-American community in Miami. We've been calling them the "Castro News Network" for a long, long time. But then, we're just a bunch a reactionary, knee-jerk conservatives with no brains...

Thank goodness for your community. You help balance out the Jewish moonbat community in South Florida [East Coast]. I grew up in Sarasota. I could talk to Cuban-Americans, real patriots who love the United States for the most part. I'm not talking about blind obedience, just a willingness to consider the possibility that the U.S. has some good qualities and institutions.

Every time I'd go to a statewide debate tournament the cultural divide was deep and wide, moonbats v. empiricists, socialists v. pragmatists. Nobody could shoot down the socialist moonbats better than someone who'd lived in Cuba, or who had parents from Cuba.

zulubaby-thanks for speaking up for me.
Iron Fist: Heh heh heh, this gave me a really good chuckle, you sad fool. Do you really think anyone is buying your lame act? Guess what: other than the sap brigades, they're not. The jig is up. Everyone knows what you are: a liar and a fool. The only thing anyone has online is their credibility. You now have none, and it's no one's fault but yours. "That fucking prick evariste" and "bastard" are the most pathetic ripostes imaginable. In any case, my reputation is far more durable than your ability to slag me off is, because mine isn't built on an edifice of untruth. Meanwhile, your ability to convincingly slag anyone off depends on your credibility, which is to say, it depends on the utterest frail wisp of smoke shimmering into nothing even as you try to grasp it. "I'm unamused"-good, no one was trying to amuse you. I on the other hand am amused. Uproariously so. You bleat with zulubaby for a "Truce"-because further exposition of your mendacity can only harm you more. Not that you haven't been trying your damnedest to undermine yourself; constructing the most entertainingly fragile straw men I've ever seen. You've frantically leapt from claiming to have been drunk on Wednesday morning when you were exposed to claiming this was about LGF factions to a million other directions in which you've frantically waved your arms. The more energetically you do so, the more clear it is to any observer that you've got something to hide. There is no truce, only your surrender as the loser of a battle between your lies and reality. Your actual verbal surrender is unnecessary; your actions and your inability to defend your lies with anything other than ad hominems upon myself and zorkmidden and descriptions of what's happened to you that have holes big enough to drive trucks through are surrender enough. Your credibility's already gone and the more you mention me or anyone I know in what you imagine is a derogatory fashion, or have your toadies do so, the more I'll be damn sure to reappear here and point out what an inveterate, exposed liar you are to those who may not yet have had the misfortune of discovering the sordid truth about you.
PS-given your track record, you're probably lying about the Jolly Roger, too. I wouldn't trust you to tell the truth about the weather. You've been flushed down the toilet and as you swirl round and round, you're yelling epithets at the toilet, at the flusher, at the water, at the blue dye, at the toilet paper, at everything except the fact that you're the piece of shit.
Keep digging the hole, Iron Fist.

Ev,

So nice to see you.

Have a drink on me.

And, hell, it's Monday night. WTF, I only drink on days that end in"Y".

What are you going to do next, type furiously at me?

Oh, yeah, that's what your are doing now.

[Dark, malevolent laughter]

Not so bright.

Almost a shame, but I consider cruelty to be one of my major virtues.

Game, set, match.

Iron Fist, if you're going to say things like this,

And I actually trusted you. Silly me.

and this,

The kind of thing that you and ev, who pretended to be my friends, should have granted me before I even asked.

about me, I'd like to know what you're referring to.

Cruelty? Aww, you're so scary. You mean "bluster" and "bullshit", don't you.

Hey, guess what? Everyone knows you're a pathological liar now. Good luck with everything.

Even if I was pretending to be your friend, or even sincerely was your friend, I certainly wouldn't remain your friend after your lies were exposed. Neither was the case of course, but it helps your continuing sob story so I'm sure you'll cling to it.

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#259

not even original

What are you going to do next, type furiously at me?

#265 wundedknee,

Wasn't intended to be.

Maybe Ed the weather wizard needs to order up a tsunami for Charles threads.

iron fist

respect

#268 wundedknee,

No shit, Ev. Back at you.

'Course, you're the one dissin' Native Americans in order to dis me.

Wow. You can change nicks. I could never accomplish such a thing.

Yeah, whatever.

A little hint, kid. Back when I was young and dumb and full of cum (where you so obviously are), an older friend of mine advised me that age and trechery will always overcome youth and vigor.

I'll grant you this, you've taught me a bit about treachery. You don't have to be old to be treacherous, and us old people aren't always as paranoid as we should be.

OTOH, you've let me see the hand that holds the knife.

Goodnight, Guys and Dolls.

#254 Iron Fist

everiste will claim I claimed to be a pirate,

You mean evariste? He's my friend too. Quit slagging him - you are just making yourself look foolish.

#270 floranista,

You mean evariste? He's my friend too.

Yeah, I thought so, too, once. Do yourself a favor, and buy a Kevlar back plate.

Friendly advice.

If you are going to come over here from another blog and act like a bunch of spoiled 3 year olds, and gang up on Iron Fist, and any of us who are his friends, then grow up. Iron Fist will blow a gasket at me defending him, but I am just trying to make those of you who are declaring war to take a look at what you are doing, and stop and think.

This thread is not a 'me', 'me', 'me' thread, and since zorkmidden and evariste have a place that they and some of you have been using to post stuff that made me cry, literally,as after nearly a year here, I thought I knew some of you as people and as friends. Enough, already. I don't give a hoot who started it; just stop it. Use up your own band width.

This is not a playground, and it is not anyone's home but Charles', and each and every one of us is a guest. Damn it, we are living in what may be the most dangerous times in history, and this petty food fight that has been on DL for so many days that it is despicable, then back to LGF, back to DL , etc. and unworthy of some of you...where are your priorities and your brains? Did you leave them in a locker somewhere? Others? No surprise at all. So there is nothing happening in the world that is more important than carrying on this war you have declared? Wake up!

Now go after me. I don't give a damn. What I do care about is that Iron Fist is being used as a punching bag. Some of you guys have met in person, but most of us are people that have nics, and could be sitting in a prison or whatever, posting away, and be very different than who we claim to be.

All of you involved owe Charles and a lot of us who have kept quiet, but have been sick over what you have done. Keep it on your blog. LGF is not the place for it.

Certain ones who adore the spotlight have not shocked us with their petulance, but others? You have no idea how many will never seem to be real to us, and how much ancillary damage you are doing to LGF, and to Charles, without whom DL would never have existed.

You will attack trolls, and rightfully so, but then ignore them, and they go away eventually, or Charles bans them. But this defamation and hate? Grow up, and stop already. I have thought about speaking up so many times, but kept quiet, as I never dreamed that this vendetta would go on this long. How wrong I am.

Enough.

Blah blah blah, blah blah blah, twenty thousand pages of blah blah blah. (Oh, and Charles can confirm that I'm not wundedknee. Your detective skills continue to be pathetic. Maybe next you'll accuse wundedknee of being LizardoidObserver.)

Your best move, Iron Fist/Satan/Evil Eye/Whatever the fuck, is to shut up, not to weakly try to appeal to your superior age versus mine. You've got nothing. You intimidate no one. You're a fool, and a liar. You've once again picked a fight you can't finish. Keep talking, you only dig the hole deeper. You really think I'm wundedknee? Heh. Your age has obviously not made you any wiser. I'm the fucking Buddha compared to your maturity level, and I always will no matter what the disparity in our ages. You could be 120 years old and you'll still be the same fucking fool you've always been. Keep digging.

I have no fear of saying what I have to say under my own nick, unlike you.

NY Nana, mind your own business. If Charles is upset with me he can let me know, he has my email address and we correspond regularly.

"Damage to LGF"-more like taking out the trash.

WTF?

Iron Fist,

We all love Charles, and most of us also love evariste and zorkie too.

I have never seen zulubaby ever go out of her way to offend anyone. Has she offended you?

I never had a personal problem with you. But what exactly is your problem with zulubaby?

That's a mystery to me.

Please, explain, link, something.

I'd appreciate it, because I don't understand.

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NY Nana

I appreciate what you have said very much.

I would also hope that you would take the accusations against Iron Fist into account as well, in fairness to all.

As I've said before, if there's "this" much of a problem, "those folks" should go document it on another blog and hash it out there, so that LGF and DL can be freed from it.

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P.S. If anyone has a problem with me, my email's in my nic, please let me know.

Sojourner-sweet voice of reason :-)
Anyway, I haven't soiled LGF with this except to defend myself, it's been on our blog only; Iron Fist continues to post nasty remarks on LGF about zorkmidden and I and as about 80-100000 people a day read this, I'm rather compelled to defend myself and bring the fight home to him, since he insists on continuing to keep this alive. He had the opportunity to post on our blog in his own defense and didn't take it. He still has that opportunity; we won't censor or delete or edit anything he says, the same way we don't with anything anyone else says. The fact of the matter is that aside from insults he has nothing to say in his own defense except for weak excuses because if he did, he'd have said it.

I only appear here to defend myself. Iron Fist's martial arts training doesn't appear to have served him well, because he keep starting fights he can't win.

#277 evariste, see #226

I only appear here to defend myself.

From what? Give me, and the entire thread a break.